From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jul 14 3:39:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from tardis.patho.gen.nz (tardis.patho.gen.nz [203.97.2.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01FB414D8D for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 03:39:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jabley@tardis.patho.gen.nz) Received: (from jabley@localhost) by tardis.patho.gen.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18531 for freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:39:02 +1200 (NZST) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:39:01 +1200 From: Joe Abley To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 32-bit sparc port Message-ID: <19990714223901.A12688@patho.gen.nz> References: <19990701222536.C29967@patho.gen.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <19990701222536.C29967@patho.gen.nz>; from Joe Abley on Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 10:25:36PM +1200 X-Files: the Truth is Out There Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 10:25:36PM +1200, Joe Abley wrote: > >From recent archives it looks like there's a few people with some > vintage sparc hardware to throw at a 32-bit porting attempt. Just > thought I'd throw up my hand too -- I have an IPX running OpenBSD > 2.5 on my desk at home, and there will be a SPARC Classic joining > it in the next couple of weeks. I'm still waiting for the Classic, but I'm told it should be here "soon". I've been busy trudging through FreeBSD and OpenBSD source code for the past week or so, and I think I'm beginning to get a handle on what's involved. If this turns into an abortive porting attempt, my minimum aim is to document what I find out, since I haven't been able to locate any other info on porting FreeBSD between architectures. Is anybody else actively looking at a FreeBSD port to 32-bit SPARC architectures -- or has anybody started such an effort in the past? Just trying to avoid wheel-reinvention where I can. Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jul 14 10:21:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51EE153FF for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:21:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id KAA20404; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id KAA02972; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:20:42 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn2.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA15787; Wed, 14 Jul 99 10:20:54 PDT Message-Id: <378CC6F5.C878A6E9@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:20:53 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Abley Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 32-bit sparc port References: <19990701222536.C29967@patho.gen.nz> <19990714223901.A12688@patho.gen.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe Abley wrote: > > Is anybody else actively looking at a FreeBSD port to 32-bit SPARC > architectures -- or has anybody started such an effort in the past? > Just trying to avoid wheel-reinvention where I can. It was discussed a lot, along with the Ultra port, about 1.5 years ago. A small number of us have sun4c or sun4m hardware available, and would be interested in helping with the port, but it seems to be waiting for a leader. I can now boast a better-than-passing familiarity with SPARC assembler -- I've been working with it full time for about 9 months now. I'm willing to help when and where I can, but don't have a lot of time available. I have a SPARCstation IPX of my own, plus a SPARCstation 5 at work I can throw into the fray, and plenty of disk space available on both. Both are currently running NetBSD, and await whatever tasks will be helpful. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jul 14 14:16:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.naviant.com (mail.naviant.com [207.106.77.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9019A153F1 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:16:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lgriffin@naviant.com) Received: from plato (vpn-pool-01.naviant.com [205.244.226.226]) by mail.naviant.com (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id RAA03247 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:15:54 -0400 (envelope-from lgriffin@naviant.com) From: "Lyndon Griffin" To: "freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: RE: 32-bit sparc port Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:18:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bece3e$728a40f0$fd239dd1@naviant.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19990714223901.A12688@patho.gen.nz> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am not planning to abort this attempt. Granted, things are moving along very slowly - that's primarily a factor of lack-of-documentation. I have 5 SPARCs now, 4 running OpenBSD 2.5, one running Slowaris 2.4. I have 2 intel FreeBSD machines, as well, soon to be three. I have very little documentation, but I'm working in the land of Sun this month, so I'm going to try to find as much as possible. I currently have my eye on three books. One is a hardcover red book, something like design and implementation of a 4.4 BSD operating system. One is the Lions' Commentary on System 6. The last is SPARC Architecture manual version 8. I have purchased none of these, yet. If anyone has other or better suggestions, I would appreciate it. I have started trudging through OpenBSD, NetBSD, and FreeBSD sources, as well, but I haven't written any code yet. Including my roommate, I think there are half a dozen others on this list that are interested in working the 32-bit version of the SPARC port. I would be glad to take up a leadership position, but I really have no idea what's involved with writing an operating system - regardless of what code already exists. I wouldn't feel comfortable taking charge with my current lack of knowledge. So, like Wes et al., I'm waiting for "the leader." <:) Lyndon > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Joe Abley > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 3:39 AM > To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: 32-bit sparc port > > > On Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 10:25:36PM +1200, Joe Abley wrote: > > >From recent archives it looks like there's a few people with some > > vintage sparc hardware to throw at a 32-bit porting attempt. Just > > thought I'd throw up my hand too -- I have an IPX running OpenBSD > > 2.5 on my desk at home, and there will be a SPARC Classic joining > > it in the next couple of weeks. > > I'm still waiting for the Classic, but I'm told it should be here > "soon". > > I've been busy trudging through FreeBSD and OpenBSD source code for the > past week or so, and I think I'm beginning to get a handle on what's > involved. > > If this turns into an abortive porting attempt, my minimum aim is to > document what I find out, since I haven't been able to locate any other > info on porting FreeBSD between architectures. > > Is anybody else actively looking at a FreeBSD port to 32-bit SPARC > architectures -- or has anybody started such an effort in the past? > Just trying to avoid wheel-reinvention where I can. > > > Joe > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jul 14 15: 0: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from fdy2.demon.co.uk (fdy2.demon.co.uk [194.222.102.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C048A14CCD for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:59:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rjs@fdy2.demon.co.uk) Received: (from rjs@localhost) by fdy2.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00582; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:50:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rjs) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:50:38 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199907142150.WAA00582@fdy2.demon.co.uk> From: Robert Swindells To: wes@softweyr.com Cc: jabley@patho.gen.nz, freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <378CC6F5.C878A6E9@softweyr.com> (message from Wes Peters on Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:20:53 -0600) Subject: Re: 32-bit sparc port Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> >> Is anybody else actively looking at a FreeBSD port to 32-bit SPARC >> architectures -- or has anybody started such an effort in the past? >> Just trying to avoid wheel-reinvention where I can. >It was discussed a lot, along with the Ultra port, about 1.5 years ago. >A small number of us have sun4c or sun4m hardware available, and would >be interested in helping with the port, but it seems to be waiting for >a leader. >I can now boast a better-than-passing familiarity with SPARC assembler -- >I've been working with it full time for about 9 months now. I'm willing >to help when and where I can, but don't have a lot of time available. >I have a SPARCstation IPX of my own, plus a SPARCstation 5 at work I >can throw into the fray, and plenty of disk space available on both. >Both are currently running NetBSD, and await whatever tasks will be >helpful. I should be getting a SPARCstation 2 in a few weeks. I also have more disk space than time. I am more interested in getting FreeBSD running on my StrongARM system though since it is more like a PC. My feeling is that it makes more sense to concentrate on porting FreeBSD to other PCI bus systems than to add support for extra bus types. Robert Swindells ------------------------------------- Robert Swindells - GenRad Ltd rjs@genrad.co.uk - Work rjs@fdy2.demon.co.uk - Home To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jul 14 15: 1:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu (bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637F614CCD for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:01:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ian@nmsu.edu) Received: from dns1.NMSU.Edu (dns1.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.5]) by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA10812; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:00:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wilma.NMSU.Edu (wilma.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.12]) by dns1.NMSU.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA13201; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:00:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from ian@localhost) by wilma.NMSU.Edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) id QAA15579; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:00:16 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:00:16 -0600 (MDT) From: ian@nmsu.edu Message-Id: <199907142200.QAA15579@wilma.NMSU.Edu> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Lyndon Griffin" , "freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: RE: 32-bit sparc port Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Lyndon, If you pick up the Sparc Arch. Manual (Version 8 or any other version) make sure you also grab a CPU manual since you need both books to get a complete picture of how the CPU handles things. I don't think Sun has any of the 4m CPU manuals online, but the last time I checked Fujitsu did have the CPU manual for their TurboSPARC online. If you can't find it online I've got a copy of the pdf around here somewhere that I can put up for ftp. Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jul 14 15:20:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail-out.visi.com (tele.visi.com [209.98.98.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6826914E42 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:20:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mestery@visi.com) Received: from isis.visi.com (isis.visi.com [209.98.98.8]) by mail-out.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F094E1F80B; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:19:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mestery@localhost) by isis.visi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11396; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:19:43 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: isis.visi.com: mestery owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:19:43 -0500 (CDT) From: To: Robert Swindells Cc: wes@softweyr.com, jabley@patho.gen.nz, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 32-bit sparc port In-Reply-To: <199907142150.WAA00582@fdy2.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Robert Swindells wrote: > I am more interested in getting FreeBSD running on my StrongARM system > though since it is more like a PC. > > My feeling is that it makes more sense to concentrate on porting FreeBSD > to other PCI bus systems than to add support for extra bus types. > I began an attempt at this (porting FreeBSD to StrongARM based systems) last winter, but didn't make it very far. I instead took Linux and got it running on our StrongARM hardware, with modifications. I am now familiar enough with the StrongARM and Linux that I think I could assist with a StrongARM FreeBSD port. I have some time to spend on this, also. If anyone else is interested, let me know. I don't have much experience porting from the ground up, as Linux was already running on ARM hardware, but I'm learning as I go so far.:) -- Kyle Mestery | StorageTek's Storage Networking Group mestery@visi.com | http://www.freebsd.org/ mestery@netwinder.org | http://www.netwinder.org/ Protect your right to privacy: www.freecrypto.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jul 14 16:17: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF87F14DB8 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:16:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id QAA25436; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id QAA15714; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:12:42 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn2.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA04248; Wed, 14 Jul 99 16:12:57 PDT Message-Id: <378D1978.C839FD90@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:12:56 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mestery@visi.com Cc: Robert Swindells , jabley@patho.gen.nz, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 32-bit sparc port References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org mestery@visi.com wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Robert Swindells wrote: > > > I am more interested in getting FreeBSD running on my StrongARM system > > though since it is more like a PC. > > > > My feeling is that it makes more sense to concentrate on porting FreeBSD > > to other PCI bus systems than to add support for extra bus types. > > > I began an attempt at this (porting FreeBSD to StrongARM based systems) > last winter, but didn't make it very far. I instead took Linux and got > it running on our StrongARM hardware, with modifications. I am now > familiar enough with the StrongARM and Linux that I think I could assist > with a StrongARM FreeBSD port. I have some time to spend on this, also. > If anyone else is interested, let me know. I don't have much experience > porting from the ground up, as Linux was already running on ARM > hardware, but I'm learning as I go so far.:) The Digitial Network Appliance, the "reference design" for the StrongArm, ran a BSD variant that was reported at different times as being either NetBSD or FreeBSD. The truth seems to be a NetBSD-ARM kernel with some FreeBSD utilities. You can probably still find it floating around somewhere. I'd buy a NetWinder if I could get either NetBSD or FreeBSD on it. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jul 14 16:36: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail-out.visi.com (tele.visi.com [209.98.98.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232E214C83 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:35:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mestery@visi.com) Received: from isis.visi.com (isis.visi.com [209.98.98.8]) by mail-out.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD6541F879; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:34:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mestery@localhost) by isis.visi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15117; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:34:38 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: isis.visi.com: mestery owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:34:38 -0500 (CDT) From: To: Wes Peters Cc: Robert Swindells , jabley@patho.gen.nz, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 32-bit sparc port In-Reply-To: <378D1978.C839FD90@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > mestery@visi.com wrote: > > The Digitial Network Appliance, the "reference design" for the StrongArm, > ran a BSD variant that was reported at different times as being either > NetBSD or FreeBSD. The truth seems to be a NetBSD-ARM kernel with some > FreeBSD utilities. You can probably still find it floating around > somewhere. > > I'd buy a NetWinder if I could get either NetBSD or FreeBSD on it. ;^) > The Netwinder is a nice machine. I am more interested (truthfully) in using FreeBSD on some embedded control processors we have that happen to be based on the Digitial EBAS-285 design. Linux runs nicely on these, but it would be fun to get FreeBSD running on them also. I think the two OSs can leverage stuff from each other quite nicely. -- Kyle Mestery | StorageTek's Storage Networking Group mestery@visi.com | http://www.freebsd.org/ mestery@netwinder.org | http://www.netwinder.org/ Protect your right to privacy: www.freecrypto.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jul 14 19:14:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mailbox1.ucsd.edu (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36BDF15552 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:14:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rjdawes@physics.ucsd.edu) Received: from physics.ucsd.edu (capistrano.ucsd.edu [132.239.73.99]) by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA13038; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by physics.ucsd.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA22858; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:12:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:12:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard J. Dawes" Reply-To: Richard Dawes To: mestery@visi.com Cc: Wes Peters , Robert Swindells , jabley@patho.gen.nz, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 32-bit sparc port In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, all! In recently checking out other *BSD sites, I came across a link to Chalice Technology (UK) -- www.chaltech.com -- under NetBSD's port pages for ARM/StrongARM. They have a PCI m/b ("CATS") billed as a "prototyping system" for embedded work, but that doubles as good desktop m/b. And pretty cheap, too! Does anyone know about this? If NetBSD runs on it, then why not FreeBSD? --Rich On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 mestery@visi.com wrote: > > mestery@visi.com wrote: > > > > The Digitial Network Appliance, the "reference design" for the StrongArm, > > ran a BSD variant that was reported at different times as being either > > NetBSD or FreeBSD. The truth seems to be a NetBSD-ARM kernel with some > > FreeBSD utilities. You can probably still find it floating around > > somewhere. > > > > I'd buy a NetWinder if I could get either NetBSD or FreeBSD on it. ;^) > > > The Netwinder is a nice machine. I am more interested (truthfully) in > using FreeBSD on some embedded control processors we have that happen to > be based on the Digitial EBAS-285 design. Linux runs nicely on these, > but it would be fun to get FreeBSD running on them also. I think the > two OSs can leverage stuff from each other quite nicely. > > -- > Kyle Mestery | StorageTek's Storage Networking Group > mestery@visi.com | http://www.freebsd.org/ > mestery@netwinder.org | http://www.netwinder.org/ > Protect your right to privacy: www.freecrypto.org > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > ======================================== Richard J. Dawes rdawes@ucsd.edu ======================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jul 14 19:14:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811A71552D for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:14:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id TAA26699; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id TAA29595; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:13:05 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn2.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA13085; Wed, 14 Jul 99 19:13:22 PDT Message-Id: <378D43C1.4167378C@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:13:21 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mestery@visi.com Cc: Robert Swindells , jabley@patho.gen.nz, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 32-bit sparc port References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org mestery@visi.com wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Wes Peters wrote: > > > > I'd buy a NetWinder if I could get either NetBSD or FreeBSD on it. ;^) > > > The Netwinder is a nice machine. I am more interested (truthfully) in > using FreeBSD on some embedded control processors we have that happen to > be based on the Digitial EBAS-285 design. Linux runs nicely on these, > but it would be fun to get FreeBSD running on them also. I think the > two OSs can leverage stuff from each other quite nicely. I do too, I even wrote a column about it recently. Have you seen http://www.daemonnews.org/199907/d-advocate.html yet? ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Jul 15 2:22:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37BB15512 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 02:22:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from heinig@hdz-ima.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from postfix.hdz-ima.rwth-aachen.de by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3869) with ESMTP id <01JDLB6PQLO000004W@mail.rwth-aachen.de> for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:22:53 +0200 Received: from aphrodite.hdz-ima.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.126.8] by postfix.hdz-ima.rwth-aachen.de with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 114W61-0004uS-00; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:57:41 +0200 Received: from hdz-ima.rwth-aachen.de (s4m108.dialup.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.8.108]) by aphrodite.hdz-ima.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA21919 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:57:39 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:57:32 +0200 From: Gerald Heinig Subject: Re: 32-bit sparc port Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <378CF9BC.C329C690@hdz-ima.rwth-aachen.de> Organization: Institute of Computer Science in Mechanical Engineering MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <19990701222536.C29967@patho.gen.nz> <19990714223901.A12688@patho.gen.nz> <378CC6F5.C878A6E9@softweyr.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wes Peters wrote: > Joe Abley wrote: > > > > Is anybody else actively looking at a FreeBSD port to 32-bit SPARC > > architectures > > -- or has anybody started such an effort in the past? > > > Just trying to avoid wheel-reinvention where I can. > > I can now boast a better-than-passing familiarity with SPARC assembler -- > I've been working with it full time for about 9 months now. I'm willing > to help when and where I can, but don't have a lot of time available. > I have a SPARCstation IPX of my own, plus a SPARCstation 5 at work I > can throw into the fray, and plenty of disk space available on both. > Both are currently running NetBSD, and await whatever tasks will be > helpful. I have a dual SM-41 Sparc 10 which I'd like to port FreeBSD onto. At the moment I'm totally out of time since I have my final 5 exams starting on friday 16th. I've had a look for documentation (as you've probably gathered) and have found a number of things. I also have access to Solaris 2.6 kernel source code which I'm going to start looking over once my last exam is out of the way. What I'd find *really* helpful is a sort of "whirlwind tour" of the FreeBSD kernel as it boots ie. "Everything starts off in file XXX, checking for PQR, then it jumps to files FGH JKL doing whatever etc etc etc ...until it starts init". That sort of thing - a global view. It shouldn't be more than a side of A4 (US letter) equivalent - just a rough idea of what gets done where. Anyone have anything like this? Gerald To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Jul 15 2:36:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from euromail1.genrad.com (x254.genrad.co.uk [195.99.3.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0139F1550D for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 02:36:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swindellsr@genrad.co.uk) Received: from CDP437 (cdp437.uk.genrad.com [132.223.130.44]) by euromail1.genrad.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id 36G4FCFV; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:36:08 +0100 From: Robert Swindells To: rdawes@ucsd.edu Cc: mestery@visi.com, wes@softweyr.com, jabley@patho.gen.nz, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (rjdawes@physics.ucsd.edu) Subject: Re: 32-bit sparc port Reply-To: rjs@fdy2.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <19990715093636.0139F1550D@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 02:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Richard J. Dawes (rdawes@ucsd.edu) wrote: >On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 mestery@visi.com wrote: >> > mestery@visi.com wrote: >> > >> > The Digitial Network Appliance, the "reference design" for the StrongArm, >> > ran a BSD variant that was reported at different times as being either >> > NetBSD or FreeBSD. The truth seems to be a NetBSD-ARM kernel with some >> > FreeBSD utilities. You can probably still find it floating around >> > somewhere. >> > >> > I'd buy a NetWinder if I could get either NetBSD or FreeBSD on it. ;^) >> > >> The Netwinder is a nice machine. I am more interested (truthfully) in >> using FreeBSD on some embedded control processors we have that happen to >> be based on the Digitial EBAS-285 design. Linux runs nicely on these, >> but it would be fun to get FreeBSD running on them also. I think the >> two OSs can leverage stuff from each other quite nicely. > In recently checking out other *BSD sites, I came across a link >to Chalice Technology (UK) -- www.chaltech.com -- under NetBSD's port >pages for ARM/StrongARM. They have a PCI m/b ("CATS") billed as a >"prototyping system" for embedded work, but that doubles as good desktop >m/b. And pretty cheap, too! Does anyone know about this? If NetBSD >runs on it, then why not FreeBSD? This is the StrongArm system that I bought. It was cheaper than a Netwinder and can use better graphics cards etc. since it is just a motherboard. Plus it runs *BSD not Linux. It comes with a NetBSD-1.3 CD, but I have upgraded mine to 1.4. I suppose this is getting a bit off-topic for freebsd-sparc. Robert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Jul 15 3:46:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A015815540 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 03:46:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from heinig@hdz-ima.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from postfix.hdz-ima.rwth-aachen.de by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3869) with ESMTP id <01JDLE5QO3IM00004X@mail.rwth-aachen.de> for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:47:23 +0200 Received: from aphrodite.hdz-ima.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.126.8] by postfix.hdz-ima.rwth-aachen.de with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 114j2I-0006Jr-00; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:46:42 +0200 Received: from hdz-ima.rwth-aachen.de (s4m184.dialup.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.8.184]) by aphrodite.hdz-ima.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA00380 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:46:40 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:46:28 +0200 From: Gerald Heinig Subject: Re: 32-bit sparc port To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <378DBC04.796137AA@hdz-ima.rwth-aachen.de> Organization: Institute of Computer Science in Mechanical Engineering MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <19990701222536.C29967@patho.gen.nz> <19990714223901.A12688@patho.gen.nz> <378CC6F5.C878A6E9@softweyr.com> <378CF9BC.C329C690@hdz-ima.rwth-aachen.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gerald Heinig wrote: > > I have a dual SM-41 Sparc 10 which I'd like to port FreeBSD onto. At the moment > I'm totally out of time since I have my final 5 exams starting on friday 16th. > I've had a look for documentation (as you've probably gathered) and have found a > number of things. I also have access to Solaris 2.6 kernel source code which I'm ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > going to start looking over once my last exam is out of the way. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Uh, cancel that. I've just been advised that this could constitute copyright violation, even though I never had any intention of copying anything. Just to make sure there's no misunderstanding. Gerald To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Jul 15 9:44:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from hal-pc.org (hal-pc.org [204.52.135.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3D9155DF for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 09:44:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jes@hal-pc.org) Received: from jason (206.180.128.187.dial-ip.hal-pc.org [206.180.128.187]) by hal-pc.org (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA08347 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:44:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002201becee1$00ef5180$0500a8c0@local.nullifier.dyn.ml.org> From: "Jason" To: "freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD. ORG" References: <199907142200.QAA15579@wilma.NMSU.Edu> Subject: Re: 32-bit sparc port Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:41:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Lyndon, > If you pick up the Sparc Arch. Manual (Version 8 or any other version) > make sure you also grab a CPU manual since you need both books to get a > complete picture of how the CPU handles things. I don't think Sun has any > of the 4m CPU manuals online, but the last time I checked Fujitsu did have > the CPU manual for their TurboSPARC online. If you can't find it online > I've got a copy of the pdf around here somewhere that I can put up for ftp. > Ian Before anyone actuly goes out and buys the dang arch. manuals, y'all might want to check out http://www.sparc.com/standards.html and get them in ps. Thought I sent this to the list, seems I only sent it to... Gerald Heinig. - Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Jul 15 11:32:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF57F14D61 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:32:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id LAA05332; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id LAA25775; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:30:58 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn2.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA28627; Thu, 15 Jul 99 11:30:46 PDT Message-Id: <378E28D6.6451F2C5@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:30:46 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: rjs@fdy2.demon.co.uk Cc: rdawes@ucsd.edu, mestery@visi.com, jabley@patho.gen.nz, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 32-bit sparc port References: <199907150936.DAA10575@obie.softweyr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Robert Swindells wrote: > > Richard J. Dawes (rdawes@ucsd.edu) wrote: > >On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 mestery@visi.com wrote: > > >> > mestery@visi.com wrote: > >> > > >> > The Digitial Network Appliance, the "reference design" for the StrongArm, > >> > ran a BSD variant that was reported at different times as being either > >> > NetBSD or FreeBSD. The truth seems to be a NetBSD-ARM kernel with some > >> > FreeBSD utilities. You can probably still find it floating around > >> > somewhere. > >> > > >> > I'd buy a NetWinder if I could get either NetBSD or FreeBSD on it. ;^) > >> > > >> The Netwinder is a nice machine. I am more interested (truthfully) in > >> using FreeBSD on some embedded control processors we have that happen to > >> be based on the Digitial EBAS-285 design. Linux runs nicely on these, > >> but it would be fun to get FreeBSD running on them also. I think the > >> two OSs can leverage stuff from each other quite nicely. > > > In recently checking out other *BSD sites, I came across a link > >to Chalice Technology (UK) -- www.chaltech.com -- under NetBSD's port > >pages for ARM/StrongARM. They have a PCI m/b ("CATS") billed as a > >"prototyping system" for embedded work, but that doubles as good desktop > >m/b. And pretty cheap, too! Does anyone know about this? If NetBSD > >runs on it, then why not FreeBSD? > > This is the StrongArm system that I bought. It was cheaper than a > Netwinder and can use better graphics cards etc. since it is just > a motherboard. Plus it runs *BSD not Linux. Gee, at $550 for a motherboard + chip + 32MB RAM, it doesn't seem all that cheap. I guess that's the wonder of the x86 world, I can buy a good quality motherboard, a K6-III 400, and a 64MB SDRAM DIMM (100 Mhz) for $249. The SA-110 is nice little chip, but a 400Mhz K6-III will stomp it into the ground on performance. > It comes with a NetBSD-1.3 CD, but I have upgraded mine to 1.4. > > I suppose this is getting a bit off-topic for freebsd-sparc. Time for FreeBSD-arm? Again? ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Jul 15 12: 7:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from euromail1.genrad.com (x254.genrad.co.uk [195.99.3.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DEE155C7 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:07:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swindellsr@genrad.co.uk) Received: from CDP437 (cdp437.uk.genrad.com [132.223.130.44]) by euromail1.genrad.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id 36G4FDRS; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:06:13 +0100 From: Robert Swindells To: wes@softweyr.com Cc: rdawes@ucsd.edu, mestery@visi.com, jabley@patho.gen.nz, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <378E28D6.6451F2C5@softweyr.com> (message from Wes Peters on Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:30:46 -0600) Subject: Re: 32-bit sparc port Reply-To: rjs@fdy2.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <19990715190714.35DEE155C7@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 12:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wes Peters wrote: >Robert Swindells wrote: > >> This is the StrongArm system that I bought. It was cheaper than a >> Netwinder and can use better graphics cards etc. since it is just >> a motherboard. Plus it runs *BSD not Linux. >Gee, at $550 for a motherboard + chip + 32MB RAM, it doesn't seem all >that cheap. I guess that's the wonder of the x86 world, I can buy a >good quality motherboard, a K6-III 400, and a 64MB SDRAM DIMM (100 >Mhz) for $249. Yeah, it doesn't compare well with x86 prices. The chip itself is cheap though in production quantities. I did buy it as a prototype system, it is a *lot* cheaper than an Intel development board. >The SA-110 is nice little chip, but a 400Mhz K6-III will stomp it into >the ground on performance. Sure, but a K6-III draws a little bit more than 450mW, more like 16W even for the mobile version. I love my Libretto but I only get about an hour out of the battery. Something like the HP Journada with an IBM microdrive would make a very nice laptop. >Time for FreeBSD-arm? Again? ;^) Maybe Robert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message