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Hi,
	I was doing a few things with dummynet (ipfw pipe) tonight, and
did 'ipfw pipe flush' which asked are you sure [y/n] selected "yes" and
the machine instantly rebooted, not a thing left in the logs, just an
instant reboot.. I can't afford to continue testing this as I don't have
any machines I can afford to crash at will, so I'm not sure if this is
reproducable.. Here's the information you might want...

uname -a:
FreeBSD dns02.arpa-canada.net 3.3-STABLE FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE #0: Fri Sep 17
20:34:30 EDT 1999 root@dns02.arpa-canada.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/DNS02 i386

dmesg:
Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc.
Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
        The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE #0: Fri Sep 17 20:34:30 EDT 1999
    root@dns02.arpa-canada.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/DNS02
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
Timecounter "TSC"  frequency 400911490 Hz
CPU: Celeron (400.91-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x660  Stepping = 0
Features=0x183f9ff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PA
T,PSE36,MMX,FXSR>
real memory  = 134217728 (131072K bytes)
avail memory = 126881792 (123908K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc033f000.
Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
Probing for devices on PCI bus 0:
chip0: <Intel 82443BX host to PCI bridge> rev 0x03 on pci0.0.0
chip1: <Intel 82443BX host to AGP bridge> rev 0x03 on pci0.1.0
chip2: <Intel 82371AB PCI to ISA bridge> rev 0x02 on pci0.7.0
ide_pci0: <Intel PIIX4 Bus-master IDE controller> rev 0x01 on pci0.7.1
chip3: <Intel 82371AB Power management controller> rev 0x02 on pci0.7.3
Probing for devices on PCI bus 1:
vga0: <Matrox model 0521 graphics accelerator> rev 0x01 int a irq 11 on pci1.0.0
Probing for devices on the ISA bus:
sc0 on isa
sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>
ed0 at 0x300-0x31f irq 12 on isa
ed0: address 00:60:67:62:35:90, type NE2000 (16 bit) 
atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard
atkbd0 irq 1 on isa
sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa
sio0: type 16550A
sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa
sio1: type 16550A
fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in
wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa
wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): <WDC AC38400L>
wd0: 8063MB (16514064 sectors), 16383 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): <WDC AC21600H>
wd1: 1549MB (3173184 sectors), 3148 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa
wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): <MATSHITA CR-589/GS0M>, removable, accel, dma, iordis
acd0: drive speed 5515KB/sec, 128KB cache
acd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA
acd0: Audio: play, 256 volume levels
acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray
acd0: Medium: CD-ROM 120mm data disc loaded, unlocked
ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 on isa
ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/16 bytes threshold
ppi0: <generic parallel i/o> on ppbus 0
plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus 0
sb0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa
snd0: <SoundBlaster 16 4.13> 
sbxvi0 at drq 5 on isa
snd0: <SoundBlaster 16 4.13> 
sbmidi0 at 0x330 on isa
snd0: <SoundBlaster MPU-401> 
opl0 at 0x388 on isa
snd0: <Yamaha OPL3 FM> 
vga0 at 0x3c0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa
npx0 on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled,
default to accept, logging limited to 100 packets/entry by default
DUMMYNET initialized (990504)
IP Filter: initialized.  Default = pass all, Logging = enabled
changing root device to wd0s1a


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Hi,

I was also working with the pipes and the machine crashed also....
But I saw something on console maybe it can help:

Fatal trap 12 : page fault while in kernel mode

fault virtual adress : 0x16c
fault code = supervisor read, page not present
instruction pointer: 0x8=0xc0183f46
stack pointer : 0x10:0xc677fea8
frame pointer : 0x10:0xc677fedc
code seeegment = base 0x0,limit 0xffff, type 0x1b
                     = depl 0, pres 1, def 32, gram 1
processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, iopl=0
current process   = 1727 (perl)
interrupt mask =
trap number = 12
panic : page fult

Sorry if I made maybe 1 or 2 type errors but i had to write it down and then
type it in.....
The problem can be in two things either perl is buggy since that appears in
the error or maybe something in ipfw/dummynet since i was playing with them.
I cvsupped it thursday evening and build on friday.

other info:

uname -a:
FreeBSD area51.quadspeed.com 3.3-STABLE FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE #7: Fri Sep 17 
23:37:24 CEST 
1999     root@area51.quadspeed.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/AREA51  i386

demesg:

Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc.
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: The Regents of the University of 
California. All rights reserved.
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE #7: Fri Sep 17 23:37:24 
CEST 1999
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: 
root@area51.quadspeed.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/AREA51
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: CPU: Pentium/P54C (199.90-MHz 586-class CPU)
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 
0x52c  Stepping = 12
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: Features=0x1bf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8>
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: real memory  = 100663296 (98304K bytes)
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: avail memory = 94142464 (91936K bytes)
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc035b000.
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: Probing for devices on PCI bus 0:
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: chip0: <Intel 82439HX PCI cache memory 
controller> rev 0x03 on pci0.0.0
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: chip1: <Intel 82371SB PCI to ISA bridge> 
rev 0x01 on pci0.7.0
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: ide_pci0: <Intel PIIX3 Bus-master IDE 
controller> rev 0x00 on pci0.7.1
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: vga0: <S3 ViRGE DX/GX graphics accelerator> 
rev 0x01 int a irq 12 on pci0.9.0
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: xl0: <3Com 3c905-TX Fast Etherlink XL> rev 
0x00 int a irq 10 on pci0.10.0
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: xl0: Ethernet address: 00:60:08:04:f2:1f
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: xl0: autoneg complete, link status good 
(half-duplex, 10Mbps)
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: ed1: <NE2000 PCI Ethernet (RealTek 8029)> 
rev 0x00 int a irq 11 on pci0.11.0
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: ed1: address 52:54:00:da:0c:4f, type NE2000 
(16 bit)
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus:
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: sc0 on isa
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: ed0 not found at 0x280
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: atkbd0 irq 1 on isa
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: sio0: type 16550A
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: sio1: type 16550A
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0xe0ffe0ff 
on isa
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): <QUANTUM FIREBALL 
EL2.5A>, DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16, sleep-hack
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: wd0: 2445MB (5008500 sectors), 5300 cyls, 
15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): <WDC AC21200H>, DMA, 
32-bit, multi-block-16, sleep-hack
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: wd1: 1222MB (2503872 sectors), 2484 cyls, 
16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 flags 0xe0ffe0ff 
on isa
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: wdc1: unit 0 (wd2): <Seagate Technology 
1275MB - ST31276A>, DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16, sleep-hack
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: wd2: 1221MB (2501856 sectors), 2482 cyls, 
16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: wdc1: unit 1 (atapi): <CD-ROM 48X/AKU/U22>, 
removable, intr, dma, iordis
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: acd0: drive speed 0 - 8250KB/sec, 128KB cache
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: acd0: supported read types: CD-DA
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: acd0: Audio: play, 255 volume levels
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: acd0: Medium: CD-ROM 120mm data disc 
loaded, unlocked
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 on isa
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: ppc0: W83877F chipset (NIBBLE-only) in 
COMPATIBLE mode
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: ppi0: <generic parallel i/o> on ppbus 0
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: vpo0: <Iomega VPI0 Parallel to SCSI 
interface> on ppbus 0
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: vpo0: NIBBLE mode
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus 0
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 
131072 on isa
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: npx0 on motherboard
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: Intel Pentium detected, installing 
workaround for F00F bug
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: IP packet filtering initialized, divert 
enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to accept, $
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: DUMMYNET initialized (990504)
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: IP Filter: initialized.  Default = pass 
all, Logging = enabled
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: da0 at vpo0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: da0: <IOMEGA ZIP 100 D.13> Removable Direct 
Access SCSI-2 device
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: da0: 96MB (196608 512 byte sectors: 64H 
32S/T 96C)
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: changing root device to wd0s1a
Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: WARNING: / was not properly dismounted
Sep 18 16:10:26 area51 named[141]: starting.  named 8.1.2 Fri Sep 17 
01:33:02 CEST 1999         root@area51.quadspeed.com:/usr/obj/$
Sep 18 16:10:26 area51 named[142]: Ready to answer queries.

Greetings Michel

At 05:48 AM 9/19/99 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi,
>         I was doing a few things with dummynet (ipfw pipe) tonight, and
>did 'ipfw pipe flush' which asked are you sure [y/n] selected "yes" and
>the machine instantly rebooted, not a thing left in the logs, just an
>instant reboot.. I can't afford to continue testing this as I don't have
>any machines I can afford to crash at will, so I'm not sure if this is
>reproducable.. Here's the information you might want...



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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sun Sep 19  7:16:31 1999
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I was unable to set a root password with the system reporting the same
message as is below.  I seem to remember JKH mentioning that it was due to
some linking problems with the relese posted on releng3.  This was quickly
corrected (ie. I reinstalled since I had done a clean install just hours
earlier) and I guess those have this trouble should be able to fix it my
grabbing a newer snapshot.  Just bad timing... 

Bryan
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(I apologize if I've messed up the To: and CC: headers...  its my first
time posting and if soneone would want to email me directly to let me know
who should be in each field, I'd appreciate it.)


On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Mike Smith wrote:

|
|I believe that you will see this with certain combinations of Kerberos 
|components installed.  Sysinstall won't (can't) protect you from doing 
|silly things with those bits and pieces.
|
|(IMO the Kerberos parts should not be so easy to install).
|
|> Valentin Nechayev wrote:
|> > 
|> > /usr/bin/passwd from bin packages of 3.3-RELEASE wants libraries:
|> >         libkadm.so.3
|> >         libkrb.so.3
|> >         libdes.so.3
|> > 
|> > Is it correct? ;(
|> 
|> Could be..I've been having problems with that too.  Downloaded the
|> 3.3-Release (gzipped) ISO Image last night, and even on a minimum
|> install, the part where you are supposed to set the root password just
|> blows by, but when you create an additional user, everything works ok.
|> 
|> When the system boots up for the first time, root has no passwd, and the
|> passwd command gives an error saying either libkadm or libkrb as
|> mentioned above is missing.   Logging in as the additional user created
|> at startup works fine, but when you try to do a "su", you get an error
|> saying libkadm or libkrb is missing (passwd bitches about one of them,
|> su the other, I don't recall offhand which is which).
|> 
|> Something is definitely goofed there, or the install lets you setup a
|> goofed system.
|> 	
|> 	Barry
|> 
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sun Sep 19  7:45:37 1999
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It would be great if you could do a "nm /kernel | sort | more" and
locate the procedure where the offending IP 0xc0183f46 is;

it looks like a null pointer passed as a base address for a structure,
which is then accessed at offset 0x16c (the fault virtual adress).
In any case i need to have a reproducible problem to investigate it, so
your firewall config would help.

Also, i wonder, why do you have both ipfw and ipfilter ? You should
only use one or the other, not both (of course the system should not
crash!)

> workaround for F00F bug
> Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: IP packet filtering initialized, divert 
> enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to accept, $
> Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: DUMMYNET initialized (990504)
> Sep 18 16:10:25 area51 /kernel: IP Filter: initialized.  Default = pass 
> all, Logging = enabled

	cheers
	luigi
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To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: make installworld failing (3.3-stable from thursday cvsup)
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i cvsup'd thursday morning...did the make buildworld this morning. i have
a nother system with /usr/src and /usr/obj nfs mounted. on make
installworld, i get:

install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444   libcom_err_p.a /usr/lib
install: libcom_err_p.a: No such file or directory
*** Error code 71

any help?

cheers,
jeff

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Hi!

One quick question: how long do you think a 90 MHz Pentium with 48MB of RAM
will take to do a make world?

The box's got one IDE HDD.

Thanks all!
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I'd say 5-6 hours, maybe as much as 8.

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On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Andrew Boothman wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> One quick question: how long do you think a 90 MHz Pentium with 48MB of RAM
> will take to do a make world?
> 
> The box's got one IDE HDD.
> 
> Thanks all!
> ---
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On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Jeffrey J. Libman wrote:

> i cvsup'd thursday morning...did the make buildworld this morning. i have
> a nother system with /usr/src and /usr/obj nfs mounted. on make
> installworld, i get:
> 
> install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444   libcom_err_p.a /usr/lib
> install: libcom_err_p.a: No such file or directory
> *** Error code 71
> 
> any help?
> 

The system that built the obj tree had NOPROFILE=true uncommented in
/etc/make.conf so profiled libs were not built.  Uncomment the NOPROFILE
line on the machine being installed so it doesn't try to intall the
non-existent profiled libs.

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aha! yes, thanks! i missed changing the CFLAGS also on the target machine.

thank you so much!

cheers,
jeff

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On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Jeffrey J. Libman wrote:
> 
> > i cvsup'd thursday morning...did the make buildworld this morning. i have
> > a nother system with /usr/src and /usr/obj nfs mounted. on make
> > installworld, i get:
> > 
> > install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444   libcom_err_p.a /usr/lib
> > install: libcom_err_p.a: No such file or directory
> > *** Error code 71
> > 
> > any help?
> > 
> 
> The system that built the obj tree had NOPROFILE=true uncommented in
> /etc/make.conf so profiled libs were not built.  Uncomment the NOPROFILE
> line on the machine being installed so it doesn't try to intall the
> non-existent profiled libs.
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ok...doing make installworld on system 2 with src and obj nfs
mounted...now i get:

/usr/share/man/man3/pam_close_session.3.gz ->/usr/share/man/man3/pam_open_session.3.gz
ln: /usr/share/man/man3/pam_close_session.3.gz: No such file or directory
*** Error code 1
cd /usr/src/lib/libpam/libpam/../../../contrib/libpam/libpam_misc;
install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444  pam_misc.h /usr/include/security
cd /usr/src/lib/libpam/libpam;  install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 
pam_mod_misc.h /usr/include/security
1 error
*** Error code 2
1 error

thanks in advance for any help.

cheers,
jeff

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At 05:13 PM 9/19/99 +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote:
>Hi!
>
>One quick question: how long do you think a 90 MHz Pentium with 48MB of RAM
>will take to do a make world?
>
>The box's got one IDE HDD.
>
>Thanks all!
>---
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Oh man.  That was a while back for me.  I think with scsi drives, nearly 
9-13 hours?

-Carroll Kong


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> /usr/bin/passwd from bin packages of 3.3-RELEASE wants libraries:
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> 
> Is it correct? ;(

Only if you have set you system to compile with Kerberos.

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I have been working around the lines of ...

cd /usr/src/release
make release ... RELEASETAG=RELENG_3_3_0_RELEASE

(CVSROOT is set to the anoncvs server here).

If I use RELEASETAG=RELENG_3, everything works.  If I use the above,
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On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Carroll Kong wrote:

> >One quick question: how long do you think a 90 MHz Pentium with 48MB of RAM
> >will take to do a make world?
> >
> >The box's got one IDE HDD.
> >
> >Thanks all!
> >---
> >Andrew Boothman <andrew@cream.org>
> 
> Oh man.  That was a while back for me.  I think with scsi drives, nearly 
> 9-13 hours?
> 

Nah, not nearly that long. My P120 with 48MB RAM and IDE disks takes
somewhere aroung 5 hours (although I haven't timed it for a long time, so 
I may be a bit off).

120/90*5 = about 6 hours 40 minutes

Kris

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see local /etc/make.conf for NOMANCOMPRESS var
uncomment it and assign true
"Jeffrey J. Libman" wrote:

> ok...doing make installworld on system 2 with src and obj nfs
> mounted...now i get:
>
> /usr/share/man/man3/pam_close_session.3.gz ->/usr/share/man/man3/pam_open_session.3.gz
> ln: /usr/share/man/man3/pam_close_session.3.gz: No such file or directory
> *** Error code 1
> cd /usr/src/lib/libpam/libpam/../../../contrib/libpam/libpam_misc;
> install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444  pam_misc.h /usr/include/security
> cd /usr/src/lib/libpam/libpam;  install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444
> pam_mod_misc.h /usr/include/security
> 1 error
> *** Error code 2
> 1 error
>
> thanks in advance for any help.
>
> cheers,
> jeff
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Andrew Boothman wrote in list.freebsd-stable:
 > One quick question: how long do you think a 90 MHz Pentium with 48MB of RAM
 > will take to do a make world?
 > 
 > The box's got one IDE HDD.

If you use UDMA and soft-updates, about 5 hours.

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   Oliver

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ok...i must be plagued...i did as suggested, and now get:

/usr/share/man/man3/properties_read.3 -> /usr/share/man/man3/property.3
install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444   libutil.a /usr/lib
ln: /usr/share/man/man3/property.3: No such file or directory
install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444     libutil.so.2 /usr/lib
*** Error code 1
ln  -sf libutil.so.2 /usr/lib/libutil.so
1 error

cheers,
jeff

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On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Andy V. Oleynik wrote:

> see local /etc/make.conf for NOMANCOMPRESS var
> uncomment it and assign true
> "Jeffrey J. Libman" wrote:
> 
> > ok...doing make installworld on system 2 with src and obj nfs
> > mounted...now i get:
> >
> > /usr/share/man/man3/pam_close_session.3.gz ->/usr/share/man/man3/pam_open_session.3.gz
> > ln: /usr/share/man/man3/pam_close_session.3.gz: No such file or directory
> > *** Error code 1
> > cd /usr/src/lib/libpam/libpam/../../../contrib/libpam/libpam_misc;
> > install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444  pam_misc.h /usr/include/security
> > cd /usr/src/lib/libpam/libpam;  install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444
> > pam_mod_misc.h /usr/include/security
> > 1 error
> > *** Error code 2
> > 1 error
> >
> > thanks in advance for any help.
> >
> > cheers,
> > jeff
> >
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On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Andrew Boothman wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> One quick question: how long do you think a 90 MHz Pentium with 48MB of RAM
> will take to do a make world?
> 
> The box's got one IDE HDD.
> 
> Thanks all!
> ---
> Andrew Boothman <andrew@cream.org>
Hi!

My PII-233 single-CPU system with one IDE HDD (UDMA33) took about 1 and
3/4
hours today. But now it works _very_ fine!
(no softupdates were used, though)

Cheers:

Szilveszter Adam
JATE University
Szeged Hungary



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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sun Sep 19 13:12:39 1999
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Hi again,

On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Adrian Penisoara wrote:

>  Update: after taking off the cover of the machine (I had some heat
> problems in the past) and rebuilding a DDB kernel everything gone very
> smooth & stable -- over 3 days of uptime. That smells very much like
> sensible hardware, I assume that including DDB in the kernel doesn't
> change too much the game ??
> 
>  Anyway, now I supped & rebuilt once again the kernel (up to Alan's
> latest vm_map.c fixup) and changed a NIC (from a flakey -- speaking of
> software driver -- RealTeck rl0 to a brand new Intel Pro 10/100+ fxp0).
> I'll try to put the cover back on somtime next weeks and get back to you
> if anything noticeable comes up...

 2nd update: Nope, it's not faulty hardware, rest assured -- the freezes
happen less often but they still come...

 The last freeze showed a double fault screen and my co-worker wrote down
the EIP: 0xc017a572 .

nm kernel.debug | sort | grep c017a5 shows:

c017a538 t rn_search
c017a564 t rn_search_m
c017a5a4 T rn_refines

 He said this happened when he tried to surf to a URL with a non-existent
hostname -- and it appears to me that rn_search might be related to
res_search(3) lookup functions ?

 I'm going to update the machine to 3.3-STABLE very soon and I'll keep you
posted if I get into any more troubles...

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On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Mark Murray wrote:

> > /usr/bin/passwd from bin packages of 3.3-RELEASE wants libraries:
> > 	libkadm.so.3
> > 	libkrb.so.3
> > 	libdes.so.3
> > 
> > Is it correct? ;(
> 
> Only if you have set you system to compile with Kerberos.
> 
> Alternatively, you may have blindly selected _everything_ for
> an install. This includes kerberos.
Hi!

I'm afraid I will have to beg to differ on this one... I installed
3.3-RELEASE with the option 'all' today and I got asked if I wanted
Kerberos... I chose no. BTW I did not experience the error...

Cheers:

Szilveszter Adam
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I am debugging a mail sending program under 3.3-R. My program received a
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Hmm... And do this files (/usr/share/man/man3/propert* and  /usr/lib/libutil.so.2) exist?
And if dont do they exist in ur obj tree?
"Jeffrey J. Libman" wrote:

> ok...i must be plagued...i did as suggested, and now get:
>
> /usr/share/man/man3/properties_read.3 -> /usr/share/man/man3/property.3
> install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444   libutil.a /usr/lib
> ln: /usr/share/man/man3/property.3: No such file or directory
> install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444     libutil.so.2 /usr/lib
> *** Error code 1
> ln  -sf libutil.so.2 c
> 1 error
>
> cheers,
> jeff
>
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> On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Andy V. Oleynik wrote:
>
> > see local /etc/make.conf for NOMANCOMPRESS var
> > uncomment it and assign true
> > "Jeffrey J. Libman" wrote:
> >
> > > ok...doing make installworld on system 2 with src and obj nfs
> > > mounted...now i get:
> > >
> > > /usr/share/man/man3/pam_close_session.3.gz ->/usr/share/man/man3/pam_open_session.3.gz
> > > ln: /usr/share/man/man3/pam_close_session.3.gz: No such file or directory
> > > *** Error code 1
> > > cd /usr/src/lib/libpam/libpam/../../../contrib/libpam/libpam_misc;
> > > install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444  pam_misc.h /usr/include/security
> > > cd /usr/src/lib/libpam/libpam;  install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444
> > > pam_mod_misc.h /usr/include/security
> > > 1 error
> > > *** Error code 2
> > > 1 error
> > >
> > > thanks in advance for any help.
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > jeff
> > >
> > >                                 |
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> > >
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	The kerberos dependencies were an error on Jordan's part during the
cutting of the release that lasted all of 9 hours, then was subsequently
fixed. If you're still having trouble, download a new copy and reinstall.
If not, congratulations. :)

Good luck,

Doug

Adam Szilveszter wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Mark Murray wrote:
> 
> > > /usr/bin/passwd from bin packages of 3.3-RELEASE wants libraries:
> > >     libkadm.so.3
> > >     libkrb.so.3
> > >     libdes.so.3
> > >
> > > Is it correct? ;(
> >
> > Only if you have set you system to compile with Kerberos.
> >
> > Alternatively, you may have blindly selected _everything_ for
> > an install. This includes kerberos.
> Hi!
> 
> I'm afraid I will have to beg to differ on this one... I installed
> 3.3-RELEASE with the option 'all' today and I got asked if I wanted
> Kerberos... I chose no. BTW I did not experience the error...
> 
> Cheers:
> 
> Szilveszter Adam
> JATE University
> Szeged Hungary
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Alex Prohorenko wrote:
> 
> Greetings!
> 
> I've one question. Did anyone already solved problem with /usr/bin/passwd,
> which but default requires kerberos libs?

	Yes, the fixed version is already available on the ftp site. 

Good luck,

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Is kern.maxfiles the total number of files that can be open on the system
at one time? If so it seems very silly that by default it is the same
number as kern.maxfilesperproc -- meaning that any process can use up the
total number of files available to the system.
Thanks.

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Hi,

I'm currently looking around for a suitable soundcard for -stable.
I realise a lot of you use the Vibra16X ... what other choices are
available (both PCI and ISA) ?  Will -stable support, for example,
all of the sound blaster cards, including the newer PCI-based ones?

Thanks
Tim.


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sun Sep 19 16: 8:50 1999
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I use a SB PCI128 without any trouble.  Just required me to add one line
to the kernel.

I don't think it supports Full Duplex (or even input), but the tunes are
all I was looking for.

Hope that help.
Bryan
CFDnet.com

On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Tim Liddelow wrote:

|Hi,
|
|I'm currently looking around for a suitable soundcard for -stable.
|I realise a lot of you use the Vibra16X ... what other choices are
|available (both PCI and ISA) ?  Will -stable support, for example,
|all of the sound blaster cards, including the newer PCI-based ones?
|
|Thanks
|Tim.
|
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12-24 hours would be my guess.. Been awhile tho.


On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Andrew Boothman wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> One quick question: how long do you think a 90 MHz Pentium with 48MB of RAM
> will take to do a make world?
> 
> The box's got one IDE HDD.
> 
> Thanks all!
> ---
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On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, John Baldwin wrote:

> Green mentioned on irc that you (might) be in charge of
> anoncvs.FreeBSD.org.   If so, then hopefully pre-sorting this for you
> will help get it fixed sooner. :)  If not, then who should I annoy?
> 
> It seems that 3.3's release tag isn't in CVSROOT/val-tags on anoncvs.

Gee, and it's been a whole 2 hours .... OK, it's done, but I'd make sure
that all of the tagging is complete before I jumped off.  anoncvs isn't
the main source tree, it reads from freefall, and updates from there, but
it only does it on the ctm timings, about once every 6 hours.  The archive
was created for ctm, after all, and anoncvs was kinda added as an
afterthought, when they realized the resource was available.

> 
> -----Forward:-----
> 
> From: David Gilbert <dgilbert@velocet.ca>
> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
> Subject: RELENG_3_3_0_RELEASE ?
> 
> I have been working around the lines of ...
> 
> cd /usr/src/release
> make release ... RELEASETAG=RELENG_3_3_0_RELEASE
> 
> (CVSROOT is set to the anoncvs server here).
> 
> If I use RELEASETAG=RELENG_3, everything works.  If I use the above,
> it comes down to this:
> 
> [1:14:314]root@sabre:/u/3.3-release/usr> cvs -R -d
> anoncvs@anoncvs.FreeBSD.org:/cvs co -P -r RELENG_3_3_0_RELEASE src
> cvs [server aborted]: cannot write /cvs/CVSROOT/val-tags: Permission
> denied
> 
> Dave.
> 
> --------------End of forwarded message-------------------------
> 
> ---
> 
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On 17-Sep-99 Alex Povolotsky wrote:
>  I've just noticed that make release has used an incredible amount of
>  diskspace (over 5Gbs). Investigating the case, I've found that
>  ${CHROOTDIR}/usr/ports/distfiles contains _ALL_ distfiles found in my
>  /usr/ports/distfiles. 
>  
>  How could it be and how do I turn it off without turning off making
>  the ports tree?

Try reading the Makefile in /usr/src/release.

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On 19 Sep 1999 18:18:25 -0400, in sentex.lists.freebsd.misc you wrote:

>Is kern.maxfiles the total number of files that can be open on the system
>at one time? If so it seems very silly that by default it is the same
>number as kern.maxfilesperproc -- meaning that any process can use up the
>total number of files available to the system.
>Thanks.

Have a look at login.conf to limit the max files to what you need.

	---Mike
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I'm running FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE, and compiled a kernel with 64 maxusers. It
gives me somethink like 1048 processes. I don't know if it's a bug, or
whatever, but i got crazy when i tested a program called CLONE on a IRC
Server running i this machine.
Before arriving 1024 connections on te IRCD, (NOTE: nothing more like httpd,
squid, etc were running), The machine crashed, with the following message:

Sep 19 22:30:04 unix2 /kernel: Out of mbuf clusters - adjust NMBCLUSTERS or
increase maxusers!

well, i recompiled the kernel with 512 maxusers (more than that config gives
warning... why?).

I was waiting that at least more tha 1024 connections it would support, but
with a little more than 980 (couldn't get the exact number) the machine
crashed with the same message. Well, with 512 maxusers i have more than 8000
processes... so.. why this? why does config warning abou kernels with more
than 512 maxusers?
I know that IRCD can have a bug that does not support more than 1024
connections, but i think the FreeBSD boxes does not have to crash. The
machine goes down booting without umounting, and then i have to check forced
my disks.

Can anyone tell me why is it happening? I'm afraid this can get something
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On 17-Sep-99 Wayne M Barnes wrote:
>  ld.so failed: Can't find shared library "libtiff.so.3.3"
>      I installed /usr/ports/graphics/tiff34, and it created
>      /usr/lib/libtiff.so.4
>      It's possible that I need /usr/lib/aout/libtiff.so.3.3

Well the tiff port won't build aout binaries.. Your only hope is to find
someone with an aout machine and libtiff installed..

I suppose you might be REALLY lucky and get 'gcc -aout' to work and build an
aout version by hand..

Or you could recompile the app that needs it (assuming you have the source)

Actually, I have a machine with libtiff34.so.1.0 which you might be able to
use (rename it to what you need). Don't forget to run ldconfig -aout -R after
you install it.

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On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Andrew Boothman wrote:

> One quick question: how long do you think a 90 MHz Pentium with 48MB of RAM
> will take to do a make world?
> 
> The box's got one IDE HDD.

I just did it on mine - it took 6 hours exactly - but my config differs
from yours slightly (64MB RAM, SCSI disks with src/ and obj/ on separate
drives, mounted with softupdates).

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As I recall, john wrote:
> 
> 12-24 hours would be my guess.. Been awhile tho.

I've got a 50 MHz 486 with IDE drives that takes about 18 hours.

My 200MHz PentiumPro with SCSI drives takes a bit more than 2 hours.

Does that bracket it for you?

> On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Andrew Boothman wrote:
> > One quick question: how long do you think a 90 MHz Pentium with 48MB of RAM
> > will take to do a make world?

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Why does it take so long to do this when a fresh install with everything in
need and cp my usrs home dires and everything would only take an hour. My
customers would freak out if I had them down for 6 hours just to update the
os.  Is there a safe way to do this so you dont have your boxes down until
they
are updated?

Tony Farkas



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>On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Andrew Boothman wrote:
>
>> One quick question: how long do you think a 90 MHz Pentium with 48MB of=
 RAM
>> will take to do a make world?
>>=20
>> The box's got one IDE HDD.
>
>I just did it on mine - it took 6 hours exactly - but my config differs
>from yours slightly (64MB RAM, SCSI disks with src/ and obj/ on separate
>drives, mounted with softupdates).
>
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>> <http://sour.cream.org/>http://sour.cream.org
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I just posted a 46k message to freebsd-stable..

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As I recall, Tony wrote:
> My customers would freak out if I had them down for 6 hours just to
> update the os.  Is there a safe way to do this so you dont have your
> boxes down until they are updated?

I know there has been some paranoia on this list about doing the
updates in single user mode, but I've never had any problem doing
either a "make world" or a "make installworld" with the system in
its normal operating mode.

So, I'd recommend you do "make buildworld >& Make.out &" in normal
run mode.  Examine the output file for warnings or crashes.  If it
looks ok, then run "make installworld".  I doubt your users will
even notice.

	-crl
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> Is kern.maxfiles the total number of files that can be open on the system
> at one time? If so it seems very silly that by default it is the same
> number as kern.maxfilesperproc -- meaning that any process can use up the
> total number of files available to the system.
> Thanks.
>
> 					-Kip

	These are the default values for maximums. They're not intended to protect
your system against resource starvation by a malicious process (since they
apply to root as well as normal users).

	And actually, it makes a lot of sense. It's not unusual for a server to
really only have one process or set of processes that you care about. For
example, for a web server, all you really care about is Apache. For an SMB
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As the subject says. I've just upgraded from 3.2 to 3.3 using CVSup. The
CVSup part went well. I followed up with a

  cd /usr/src
  make buildworld

That part didn't fair so well. In fact the following:

===> usr.bin/cksum
rm -f cksum cksum.o crc.o print.o sum1.o sum2.o crc32.o cksum.1.gz
cksum.1.cat.g
z
rm -f .depend /usr/src/usr.bin/cksum/GPATH /usr/src/usr.bin/cksum/GRTAGS 
/usr/s
rc/usr.bin/cksum/GSYMS /usr/src/usr.bin/cksum/GTAGS
===> usr.bin/cmp
rm -f cmp cmp.o misc.o regular.o special.o cmp.1.gz cmp.1.cat.gz
rm -f .depend /usr/src/usr.bin/cmp/GPATH /usr/src/usr.bin/cmp/GRTAGS 
/usr/src/u
sr.bin/cmp/GSYMS /usr/src/usr.bin/cmp/GTAGS
===> usr.bin/col
rm -f col col.o col.1.gz col.1.cat.gz
rm -f .depend /usr/src/usr.bin/col/GPATH /usr/src/usr.bin/col/GRTAGS 
/usr/src/u
sr.bin/col/GSYMS /usr/src/usr.bin/col/GTAGS
===> usr.bin/colcrt
rm -f colcrt colcrt.o colcrt.1.gz colcrt.1.cat.gz
rm -f .depend /usr/src/usr.bin/colcrt/GPATH /usr/src/usr.bin/colcrt/GRTAGS 
/usr
/src/usr.bin/colcrt/GSYMS /usr/src/usr.bin/colcrt/GTAGS
===> usr.bin/colldef


has graced my telnet screen for over half an hour while tops doesn't even
show anything remotely ascibable to a make world in its list.

Anyone any ideas on how to proceed to make it proceed?

Roelof

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Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:15:51 -0600
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CLONE huh? Well I guess I can help you anyway :).. There's another seperate
option from maxusers to raise mbuf clusters.. use 'options NMBCLUSTERS=16384'
or whatever number you want.. you can see how many you have by doing netstat -m.
This should do it :)


On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Joao Carlos wrote:
> I'm running FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE, and compiled a kernel with 64 maxusers. It
> gives me somethink like 1048 processes. I don't know if it's a bug, or
> whatever, but i got crazy when i tested a program called CLONE on a IRC
> Server running i this machine.
> Before arriving 1024 connections on te IRCD, (NOTE: nothing more like httpd,
> squid, etc were running), The machine crashed, with the following message:
> 
> Sep 19 22:30:04 unix2 /kernel: Out of mbuf clusters - adjust NMBCLUSTERS or
> increase maxusers!
> 
> well, i recompiled the kernel with 512 maxusers (more than that config gives
> warning... why?).
> 
> I was waiting that at least more tha 1024 connections it would support, but
> with a little more than 980 (couldn't get the exact number) the machine
> crashed with the same message. Well, with 512 maxusers i have more than 8000
> processes... so.. why this? why does config warning abou kernels with more
> than 512 maxusers?
> I know that IRCD can have a bug that does not support more than 1024
> connections, but i think the FreeBSD boxes does not have to crash. The
> machine goes down booting without umounting, and then i have to check forced
> my disks.
> 
> Can anyone tell me why is it happening? I'm afraid this can get something
> exploitable for iRC Server machines!!!!
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Joao Carlos
> jcarlos@bahianet.com.br
> 
> 
> 
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On Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 05:13:32PM +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote:
> One quick question: how long do you think a 90 MHz Pentium with 48MB of RAM
> will take to do a make world?

A 60 MHz Pentium with 16 MB of RAM took 7 hours to do "make buildworld".
Sorry, I've no timestamps for the subsequent installworld and kernel
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Tim Liddelow wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm currently looking around for a suitable soundcard for -stable.
> I realise a lot of you use the Vibra16X ... what other choices are
> available (both PCI and ISA) ?  Will -stable support, for example,
> all of the sound blaster cards, including the newer PCI-based ones?

	The SB Live is currently not supported, and it doesn't look like it will
be any time soon. 

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> I know there has been some paranoia on this list about doing the
> updates in single user mode, but I've never had any problem doing
> either a "make world" or a "make installworld" with the system in
> its normal operating mode.
> 
> So, I'd recommend you do "make buildworld >& Make.out &" in normal
> run mode.  Examine the output file for warnings or crashes.  If it
> looks ok, then run "make installworld".  I doubt your users will
> even notice.

One time (ONE, out of hundreds), something got outta sync on one of the
machines I run doing a "make installworld" -- don't remember the exact
situation, but it was something like a binary getting installed & executed
before the library that it required was installed...  Not a big deal, but
my phone started ringing when a user wanted to know why his job didn't
work correctly.  

Doing a "make buildworld" is (almost) absoultely safe while running
multiuser, and that's the part that takes so long...  If you want to be
extremely careful about it (and also a little anal), you can do the "make
installworld" in single-user after it's built in multiuser....

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Ive just got a CD off a friend that was burnt off the ISO, how can i tell
if i have a faulty(passwd broken) version without installing it.
-Steven

At 02:52 PM 9/19/99 -0700, you wrote:
>	The kerberos dependencies were an error on Jordan's part during the
>cutting of the release that lasted all of 9 hours, then was subsequently
>fixed. If you're still having trouble, download a new copy and reinstall.
>If not, congratulations. :)
>
>Good luck,
>
>Doug
>
>Adam Szilveszter wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Mark Murray wrote:
>> 
>> > > /usr/bin/passwd from bin packages of 3.3-RELEASE wants libraries:
>> > >     libkadm.so.3
>> > >     libkrb.so.3
>> > >     libdes.so.3
>> > >
>> > > Is it correct? ;(
>> >
>> > Only if you have set you system to compile with Kerberos.
>> >
>> > Alternatively, you may have blindly selected _everything_ for
>> > an install. This includes kerberos.
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I'm afraid I will have to beg to differ on this one... I installed
>> 3.3-RELEASE with the option 'all' today and I got asked if I wanted
>> Kerberos... I chose no. BTW I did not experience the error...
>> 
>> Cheers:
>> 
>> Szilveszter Adam
>> JATE University
>> Szeged Hungary
>> 
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Mon Sep 20  2:48:34 1999
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Hi,

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Steven Honson wrote:

> Ive just got a CD off a friend that was burnt off the ISO, how can i tell
> if i have a faulty(passwd broken) version without installing it.
> -Steven

 Just mount the CD, extract "passwd" from the bin distributib with smth.
like this:

 $ cd /tmp
 $ cat /cdrom/bin/bin.?? | tar xvfz - usr/bin/passwd

 Then check the liraries it's been linked with:

 $ ldd usr/bin/passwd

 and if you get libkrb inside the output then you're affected.


 Hope it helps,
 Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro)

> 
> At 02:52 PM 9/19/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >	The kerberos dependencies were an error on Jordan's part during the
> >cutting of the release that lasted all of 9 hours, then was subsequently
> >fixed. If you're still having trouble, download a new copy and reinstall.
> >If not, congratulations. :)
> >
> >Good luck,
> >
> >Doug
> >
> >Adam Szilveszter wrote:
> >> 
> >> On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Mark Murray wrote:
> >> 
> >> > > /usr/bin/passwd from bin packages of 3.3-RELEASE wants libraries:
> >> > >     libkadm.so.3
> >> > >     libkrb.so.3
> >> > >     libdes.so.3
> >> > >
> >> > > Is it correct? ;(
> >> >
> >> > Only if you have set you system to compile with Kerberos.
> >> >
> >> > Alternatively, you may have blindly selected _everything_ for
> >> > an install. This includes kerberos.
> >> Hi!
> >> 
> >> I'm afraid I will have to beg to differ on this one... I installed
> >> 3.3-RELEASE with the option 'all' today and I got asked if I wanted
> >> Kerberos... I chose no. BTW I did not experience the error...



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Ahh, 
Thank you very much, here is the output,

root@defiant:/home/shonson/temp/usr/bin# ldd passwd 
passwd:
        libcrypt.so.2 => /usr/lib/libcrypt.so.2 (0x28067000)
        librpcsvc.so.2 => /usr/lib/librpcsvc.so.2 (0x2806a000)
        libutil.so.2 => /usr/lib/libutil.so.2 (0x28071000)
        libc.so.3 => /usr/lib/libc.so.3 (0x28079000)

It looks like im safe :).
-Steven Honson
At 12:52 PM 9/20/99 +0300, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Steven Honson wrote:
>
>> Ive just got a CD off a friend that was burnt off the ISO, how can i tell
>> if i have a faulty(passwd broken) version without installing it.
>> -Steven
>
> Just mount the CD, extract "passwd" from the bin distributib with smth.
>like this:
>
> $ cd /tmp
> $ cat /cdrom/bin/bin.?? | tar xvfz - usr/bin/passwd
>
> Then check the liraries it's been linked with:
>
> $ ldd usr/bin/passwd
>
> and if you get libkrb inside the output then you're affected.
>
>
> Hope it helps,
> Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro)
>
>> 
>> At 02:52 PM 9/19/99 -0700, you wrote:
>> >	The kerberos dependencies were an error on Jordan's part during the
>> >cutting of the release that lasted all of 9 hours, then was subsequently
>> >fixed. If you're still having trouble, download a new copy and reinstall.
>> >If not, congratulations. :)
>> >
>> >Good luck,
>> >
>> >Doug
>> >
>> >Adam Szilveszter wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Mark Murray wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > > /usr/bin/passwd from bin packages of 3.3-RELEASE wants libraries:
>> >> > >     libkadm.so.3
>> >> > >     libkrb.so.3
>> >> > >     libdes.so.3
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Is it correct? ;(
>> >> >
>> >> > Only if you have set you system to compile with Kerberos.
>> >> >
>> >> > Alternatively, you may have blindly selected _everything_ for
>> >> > an install. This includes kerberos.
>> >> Hi!
>> >> 
>> >> I'm afraid I will have to beg to differ on this one... I installed
>> >> 3.3-RELEASE with the option 'all' today and I got asked if I wanted
>> >> Kerberos... I chose no. BTW I did not experience the error...
>
>
>
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Mon Sep 20  4:27:40 1999
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Hello,
#rdump -0af backup:/tmp/var.dump /var
DUMP: Connection to backup established.
DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Mon Sep 20 11:23:41 1999
DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch
DUMP: Dumping /dev/rda0s1e (/var) to /tmp/var.dump on host backup
DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files]
DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories]
DUMP: estimated 3498 tape blocks.
DUMP: /tmp/var.dump: No such file or directory
DUMP: Cannot open output "/tmp/var.dump".
DUMP: Do you want to retry the open?: ("yes" or "no")
Is it possible to make rdump to write the backup to an ordinary file on
remote host?

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Yes; on the destination machine, do a "touch /tmp/var.dump" to create the
file before running the backup.

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, gawel wrote:

> Hello,
> #rdump -0af backup:/tmp/var.dump /var
> DUMP: Connection to backup established.
> DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Mon Sep 20 11:23:41 1999
> DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch
> DUMP: Dumping /dev/rda0s1e (/var) to /tmp/var.dump on host backup
> DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files]
> DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories]
> DUMP: estimated 3498 tape blocks.
> DUMP: /tmp/var.dump: No such file or directory
> DUMP: Cannot open output "/tmp/var.dump".
> DUMP: Do you want to retry the open?: ("yes" or "no")
> Is it possible to make rdump to write the backup to an ordinary file on
> remote host?
> 
> Gawel
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[ On Friday, September 17, Wayne M Barnes wrote: ]
> ld.so failed: Can't find shared library "libtiff.so.3.3"
> 
> Guys and gals,
> 
>     I get the above error message when I try to run an application
> that apparently needs tiff libraries.
> 
>     I installed /usr/ports/graphics/tiff34, and it created
>     /usr/lib/libtiff.so.4
> 
>     It's possible that I need /usr/lib/aout/libtiff.so.3.3
> 
>     Does anyone know what I need, and where do I get it?

you might just need /usr/ports/graphics/tiff but when I looked in there
(on my ports tree) this morning, there was no Makefile for the port. ?

-Jr

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From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no>
Date: 20 Sep 1999 17:23:50 +0200
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"Joao Carlos" <jcarlos@bahianet.com.br> writes:
> I'm running FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE, and compiled a kernel with 64 maxusers. It
> gives me somethink like 1048 processes. I don't know if it's a bug, or
> whatever, but i got crazy when i tested a program called CLONE on a IRC
> Server running i this machine.
> Before arriving 1024 connections on te IRCD, (NOTE: nothing more like httpd,
> squid, etc were running), The machine crashed, with the following message:

I'll bet your CLONE thingy wasn't properly written, and doesn't
actually consume the data sent by the server, causing the server to
fill up mbufs. Currently, FreeBSD panics when it runs out of mbufs.

 1) use ircd connection classes to prevent clients from opening more
    than a small number of connections, and to limit the size of the
    send queue. If you don't know what that means, don't run an IRC
    server.

 2) increase the number of mbuf clusters. If you don't know how to do
    this, don't run an IRC server.

 3) set up a heavy firewall in front of your server (preferably on
    your border router) which protects your server from SYN floods,
    UDP floods, smurfing fingerprinting, etc. If you don't know how to
    do this, don't run an IRC server.

 4) harden your TCP/IP stack to withstand SYN floods, UDP floods,
    smurfing, fingerprinting, etc. Run a recent 4.0, or 3.3-R with my
    hardening patches, and understand what those patches do and how to
    use them. If you don't know how to do this, don't run an IRC
    server.

 5) lock your machine down tight, including disabling all services
    except ircd and ssh and configuring sshd to only accept
    connections from trusted hosts and require RSA authentication (no
    rhosts, no password authentication). If you don't know how to do
    this, don't run an IRC server.

 6) if you need a flooder, try my joiner.pl. Read the source and
    understand how it works and how to tune it before using it. Know
    that it can (and will) crash your server if you didn't do 1) and
    2) properly. If you don't know how to do this, don't run an IRC
    server.

DES
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Mon Sep 20  8:30:41 1999
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Reading the list it seems to me that you have forgotten rule #7:

>  1) use ircd connection classes to prevent clients from opening more
...
>  6) if you need a flooder, try my joiner.pl. Read the source and
>     understand how it works and how to tune it before using it. Know
>     that it can (and will) crash your server if you didn't do 1) and
>     2) properly. If you don't know how to do this, don't run an IRC
>     server.

   7) Don't run an IRC server.


	cheers
	luigi


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        I think that's why so many people does not uses FreeBSD. A question
about it causes so many laughes? So, how can a newbie encouraje himself to
use FreeBSD? And the answer is simple, if you don't know, do not use. It's
wonderful. I'll continue using FreeBSD, of course, i know how good it is.
But i didn't use to understand why so many people from the Linux community
says that nobody helps FreeBSD users. Of course i'm not talking about
everyone. There are users (and core programmers), that are open to help. But
with an answer like this, we have to options. De-install FreeBSD when i
can't use something or simply do not try to use that.
        If you all thinks that this kind of crash is good, because it was
genereated by a clone flood, OK, so many people will continue using another
operating system or having many crashes because they want to run a IRC
Server. As I said, not everyone is like this, but you that thinks this kind
of questions as idiots, could simply do not answer and delete it from your
mail client.


No more,

Joao Carlos
jcarlos@bahianet.com.br



----- Original Message -----
From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no>
To: Joao Carlos <jcarlos@bahianet.com.br>
Cc: <stable@FreeBSD.ORG>; <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>; <security@FreeBSD.ORG>;
<hitech@bahianet.com.br>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: Out of mbuf clusters


> "Joao Carlos" <jcarlos@bahianet.com.br> writes:
> > I'm running FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE, and compiled a kernel with 64 maxusers.
It
> > gives me somethink like 1048 processes. I don't know if it's a bug, or
> > whatever, but i got crazy when i tested a program called CLONE on a IRC
> > Server running i this machine.
> > Before arriving 1024 connections on te IRCD, (NOTE: nothing more like
httpd,
> > squid, etc were running), The machine crashed, with the following
message:
>
> I'll bet your CLONE thingy wasn't properly written, and doesn't
> actually consume the data sent by the server, causing the server to
> fill up mbufs. Currently, FreeBSD panics when it runs out of mbufs.
>
>  1) use ircd connection classes to prevent clients from opening more
>     than a small number of connections, and to limit the size of the
>     send queue. If you don't know what that means, don't run an IRC
>     server.
>
>  2) increase the number of mbuf clusters. If you don't know how to do
>     this, don't run an IRC server.
>
>  3) set up a heavy firewall in front of your server (preferably on
>     your border router) which protects your server from SYN floods,
>     UDP floods, smurfing fingerprinting, etc. If you don't know how to
>     do this, don't run an IRC server.
>
>  4) harden your TCP/IP stack to withstand SYN floods, UDP floods,
>     smurfing, fingerprinting, etc. Run a recent 4.0, or 3.3-R with my
>     hardening patches, and understand what those patches do and how to
>     use them. If you don't know how to do this, don't run an IRC
>     server.
>
>  5) lock your machine down tight, including disabling all services
>     except ircd and ssh and configuring sshd to only accept
>     connections from trusted hosts and require RSA authentication (no
>     rhosts, no password authentication). If you don't know how to do
>     this, don't run an IRC server.
>
>  6) if you need a flooder, try my joiner.pl. Read the source and
>     understand how it works and how to tune it before using it. Know
>     that it can (and will) crash your server if you didn't do 1) and
>     2) properly. If you don't know how to do this, don't run an IRC
>     server.
>
> DES
> --
> Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no
>



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On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Andrew Boothman wrote:
 
> One quick question: how long do you think a 90 MHz Pentium with 48MB of RAM
> will take to do a make world?
> 
> The box's got one IDE HDD.

My hardware;

Libretto 70CT (120Mhz P5 with 32MB Ram no L2 cache)
6.4GB IDE HD (32-bit and multi-block transfers enabled)
softupdates enabled
CFLAGS = -O -pipe
COPTFLAGS = -O -pipe
NOPROFILE = true 
COMPAT22 = yes

About 5 to 6 hours.

Do you have access to a faster machine running the same version of
FreeBSD?  If so you can make buildworld on that machine then make
installworld on your slower machine (mounting the faster machines /usr/src
and /usr/obj filesystems via NFS).  This worked for me with 2.2-stable but
I've not tried it with 3.x-stable.

-- 
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At 2:47 PM +0200 1999/9/20, Luigi Rizzo wrote:

> Reading the list it seems to me that you have forgotten rule #7:

	[ ... deletia ... ]

>    7) Don't run an IRC server.

	And rule #8:

	8)  Grok every single line of source code throughout the entire 
OS and be able to recode them all in machine language (assembly is 
for wussies), or you are too stupid to run FreeBSD.

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"Joao Carlos" <jcarlos@bahianet.com.br> writes:
>         If you all thinks that this kind of crash is good, because it was
> genereated by a clone flood, OK, so many people will continue using another
> operating system or having many crashes because they want to run a IRC
> Server. As I said, not everyone is like this, but you that thinks this kind
> of questions as idiots, could simply do not answer and delete it from your
> mail client.

Perhaps you should reconsider your attitude and accept advice from
someone who actually has experience running EFNet IRC servers on
FreeBSD.

DES
-- 
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On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Kip Macy wrote:

> Is kern.maxfiles the total number of files that can be open on the system
> at one time? If so it seems very silly that by default it is the same
> number as kern.maxfilesperproc -- meaning that any process can use up the
> total number of files available to the system.
> Thanks.

  Howerver, login.conf controls those limits.  maxfilesperproc should
probably be deprecated now.

Tom



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The recent thread suggesting staroffice 5.1 might work on FreeBSD
emboldened me, so I downloaded the 65M dist and tried installing it on my
3.3-RC machine.  Unfortunately I didn't get very far:

outpost# ./setup
/tmp/sv001.tmp/setup.bin: error in loading shared libraries
libvos517li.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

The "vos" library doesn't seem to be part of the staroffice distribution,
and I couldn't find it on a stock RedHat 6.0 box.  Has anyone gotten this
to work?  Other linux binaries run fine.

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http://www.serv.net/~mcglk/staroffice-install.html. It worked for me. 

- Haobo

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Mike Holling wrote:

> The recent thread suggesting staroffice 5.1 might work on FreeBSD
> emboldened me, so I downloaded the 65M dist and tried installing it on my
> 3.3-RC machine.  Unfortunately I didn't get very far:
> 
> outpost# ./setup
> /tmp/sv001.tmp/setup.bin: error in loading shared libraries
> libvos517li.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> 
> The "vos" library doesn't seem to be part of the staroffice distribution,
> and I couldn't find it on a stock RedHat 6.0 box.  Has anyone gotten this
> to work?  Other linux binaries run fine.
> 
> - Mike
> 
> 
> 
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These libraries come with the StarOffice 5.1 distribution.  You need
to write a little script to convert the filenames from upper case to
lower case - unless you have a lot of spare time.

--Dan

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Mike Holling wrote:

> The recent thread suggesting staroffice 5.1 might work on FreeBSD
> emboldened me, so I downloaded the 65M dist and tried installing it on my
> 3.3-RC machine.  Unfortunately I didn't get very far:
> 
> outpost# ./setup
> /tmp/sv001.tmp/setup.bin: error in loading shared libraries
> libvos517li.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> 
> The "vos" library doesn't seem to be part of the staroffice distribution,
> and I couldn't find it on a stock RedHat 6.0 box.  Has anyone gotten this
> to work?  Other linux binaries run fine.
> 
> - Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I just updated this morning to 3.3-STABLE from 3.2-STABLE, and I have
both my ulimit and /etc/login.conf set so that coredumpsize is zero.
Until 3.3-RELEASE, this prevented any core file from being generated.
In 3.3-RELEASE, I now get a zero-length file.

I see from the CVS log that some cleanup was done to the core-dump code
in kern/kern_sig.c on Sep 1, 1999.  This code has a comment in it saying
that this is now the expected behavior.

So how do I get it to not dump any core file at all?  I do not want
core-dump files being scattered all over my disk-drive like so many
kernel droppings, zero-length or not.  (I find them next to useless.  If
it's a program I'm developing or debugging, I'm generally working on it
anyway, and if it isn't, I throw it out or relaunch if it's netscape.)

Thanks!


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Today Mike Holling wrote:

> The recent thread suggesting staroffice 5.1 might work on FreeBSD
> emboldened me, so I downloaded the 65M dist and tried installing it on my
> 3.3-RC machine.  Unfortunately I didn't get very far:
> 
> outpost# ./setup
> /tmp/sv001.tmp/setup.bin: error in loading shared libraries
> libvos517li.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

setenv LD_LIBRARY_PATH /tmp/sv001.tmp 
(in whatever syntax is appropriate for your shell)
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On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 11:09:58AM -0700, Parag Patel wrote:
> 
> I just updated this morning to 3.3-STABLE from 3.2-STABLE, and I have
> both my ulimit and /etc/login.conf set so that coredumpsize is zero.
> Until 3.3-RELEASE, this prevented any core file from being generated.
> In 3.3-RELEASE, I now get a zero-length file.
> 
> I see from the CVS log that some cleanup was done to the core-dump code
> in kern/kern_sig.c on Sep 1, 1999.  This code has a comment in it saying
> that this is now the expected behavior.

This is how I always have seen *NIX systems behave...

You could write a script based off the find command that you could run once
a day that would go through and remove all core files...

Jamie

> 
> So how do I get it to not dump any core file at all?  I do not want
> core-dump files being scattered all over my disk-drive like so many
> kernel droppings, zero-length or not.  (I find them next to useless.  If
> it's a program I'm developing or debugging, I'm generally working on it
> anyway, and if it isn't, I throw it out or relaunch if it's netscape.)
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 	-- Parag Patel
> 
> 
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> > Reading the list it seems to me that you have forgotten rule #7:
> 
> 	[ ... deletia ... ]
> 
> >    7) Don't run an IRC server.
> 
> 	And rule #8:
> 
> 	8)  Grok every single line of source code throughout the entire 
> OS and be able to recode them all in machine language (assembly is 
> for wussies), or you are too stupid to run FreeBSD.
> 

No, I think we see this reaction because people are embarrassed that it
is so easy to get a FreeBSD box to fall over. :-) I mean, we don't panic
a machine because we fill up a partition and we don't panic a machine
just because we run out of swap... :-)

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Sorry, I could not resist it

On Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 10:13:17PM +0200, Adam Szilveszter wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Andrew Boothman wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> My PII-233 single-CPU system with one IDE HDD (UDMA33) took about 1 and
> 3/4
> hours today. But now it works _very_ fine!
> (no softupdates were used, though)

make buildworld finished in about 50 minutes.
a new kernel in barely two minutes.

a dual PII-400 with a UW2-LVD disk (mounted with softupdates) helps a big
deal :)

> 
> Cheers:
> 
> Szilveszter Adam
> JATE University
> Szeged Hungary
> 
> 
> 
Cheers too
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On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Tom wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Kip Macy wrote:
> 
> > Is kern.maxfiles the total number of files that can be open on the system
> > at one time? If so it seems very silly that by default it is the same
> > number as kern.maxfilesperproc -- meaning that any process can use up the
> > total number of files available to the system.
> > Thanks.
> 
>   Howerver, login.conf controls those limits.  maxfilesperproc should
> probably be deprecated now.

	Given the spotty history of login.conf, and the extreme lack of
enthusiasm for finishing it and/or keeping it up to date, I'm not sure we
should be deprecating anything in favor of it. Also, the fact that you
_can_ use login.conf to set the per usr/per process limits is another vote
in favor of keeping the total maxfiles and the per process maxfiles the
same. 

Doug
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On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Tony wrote:

> Why does it take so long to do this when a fresh install with everything in
> need and cp my usrs home dires and everything would only take an hour.

Because you are recompiling the entire OS from scratch, not just copying
pre-built files over the top.

> My customers would freak out if I had them down for 6 hours just to
> update the os.  Is there a safe way to do this so you dont have your
> boxes down until they are updated?

The make buildworld stage can be done while multi-user - this does all the
rebuilding in a separate area. make installworld will actually install
everything - to be perfectly safe you should do this when single-user, but
probably you won't have any problems doing it multi-user as well.

make installworld takes about 2 minutes.

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On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 08:26:28PM +0200, Ruben van Staveren wrote:
> Sorry, I could not resist it
> 
> On Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 10:13:17PM +0200, Adam Szilveszter wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Andrew Boothman wrote:
> > 
> > My PII-233 single-CPU system with one IDE HDD (UDMA33) took about 1 and
> > 3/4 hours today. But now it works _very_ fine!
> > (no softupdates were used, though)
> 
> make buildworld finished in about 50 minutes.
> a new kernel in barely two minutes.
> 
> a dual PII-400 with a UW2-LVD disk (mounted with softupdates) helps a big
> deal :)

Dual cel 500's with 7200 RPM scsi drives does make buildworld in 58 minutes,
and a new kernel in 3 minutes. (Just to throw mine into the mix; is anyone
keeping track of this? ;) )

Buildworld was done with -j6, the kernel was just 'make'. No softupdates;
could someone point me at info on what softupdates are and how I turn them
on if I want to? ;)

Jamie


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On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Jamie Norwood wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 11:09:58AM -0700, Parag Patel wrote:
> > 
> > I just updated this morning to 3.3-STABLE from 3.2-STABLE, and I have
> > both my ulimit and /etc/login.conf set so that coredumpsize is zero.
> > Until 3.3-RELEASE, this prevented any core file from being generated.
> > In 3.3-RELEASE, I now get a zero-length file.
> > 
> > I see from the CVS log that some cleanup was done to the core-dump code
> > in kern/kern_sig.c on Sep 1, 1999.  This code has a comment in it saying
> > that this is now the expected behavior.
> 
> This is how I always have seen *NIX systems behave...
> 
> You could write a script based off the find command that you could run once
> a day that would go through and remove all core files...

I've answered this question before...

sysctl -w kern.corefile="/dev/null"

ought to work.  If it is somehow broken, please tell me and I'll look
into it.

-Alfred Perlstein - [bright@rush.net|alfred@freebsd.org]
Wintelcom systems administrator and programmer
   - http://www.wintelcom.net/ [bright@wintelcom.net]

> 
> Jamie
> 
> > 
> > So how do I get it to not dump any core file at all?  I do not want
> > core-dump files being scattered all over my disk-drive like so many
> > kernel droppings, zero-length or not.  (I find them next to useless.  If
> > it's a program I'm developing or debugging, I'm generally working on it
> > anyway, and if it isn't, I throw it out or relaunch if it's netscape.)
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > 
> > 	-- Parag Patel



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Here is where your philosophy diverges from many others -- I and I believe
many others think that a server operating system should at least be robust
out of the box. Neither Linux nor Solaris is vulnerable to running out of
mbufs as a result of malicious code. I don't think FreeBSD should be
either. 

This is in no way a rant against FreeBSD, but rather a rant against the
attitude that one needs to know about OS internals to run a lightweight
server. If all of core insisted that Joe User had to know about internals
to use FreeBSD as a server, FreeBSD would be little more than a hobbyist
OS, rather than what it is -- the best OS currently available.

					-Kip


On 20 Sep 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:

> "Joao Carlos" <jcarlos@bahianet.com.br> writes:
> > I'm running FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE, and compiled a kernel with 64 maxusers. It
> > gives me somethink like 1048 processes. I don't know if it's a bug, or
> > whatever, but i got crazy when i tested a program called CLONE on a IRC
> > Server running i this machine.
> > Before arriving 1024 connections on te IRCD, (NOTE: nothing more like httpd,
> > squid, etc were running), The machine crashed, with the following message:
> 
> I'll bet your CLONE thingy wasn't properly written, and doesn't
> actually consume the data sent by the server, causing the server to
> fill up mbufs. Currently, FreeBSD panics when it runs out of mbufs.
> 
>  1) use ircd connection classes to prevent clients from opening more
>     than a small number of connections, and to limit the size of the
>     send queue. If you don't know what that means, don't run an IRC
>     server.
> 
>  2) increase the number of mbuf clusters. If you don't know how to do
>     this, don't run an IRC server.
> 
>  3) set up a heavy firewall in front of your server (preferably on
>     your border router) which protects your server from SYN floods,
>     UDP floods, smurfing fingerprinting, etc. If you don't know how to
>     do this, don't run an IRC server.
> 
>  4) harden your TCP/IP stack to withstand SYN floods, UDP floods,
>     smurfing, fingerprinting, etc. Run a recent 4.0, or 3.3-R with my
>     hardening patches, and understand what those patches do and how to
>     use them. If you don't know how to do this, don't run an IRC
>     server.
> 
>  5) lock your machine down tight, including disabling all services
>     except ircd and ssh and configuring sshd to only accept
>     connections from trusted hosts and require RSA authentication (no
>     rhosts, no password authentication). If you don't know how to do
>     this, don't run an IRC server.
> 
>  6) if you need a flooder, try my joiner.pl. Read the source and
>     understand how it works and how to tune it before using it. Know
>     that it can (and will) crash your server if you didn't do 1) and
>     2) properly. If you don't know how to do this, don't run an IRC
>     server.
> 
> DES
> -- 
> Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no
> 
> 
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> Here is where your philosophy diverges from many others -- I and I believe
> many others think that a server operating system should at least be robust
> out of the box. Neither Linux nor Solaris is vulnerable to running out of
> mbufs as a result of malicious code. I don't think FreeBSD should be
> either. 

I have to agree here. I run a News server which used to have mysterious
crashes - until I raised NMBCLUSTERS to a sufficient value. Unfortunately,
the error message from sys/vm/vm_kern.c,

printf("Out of mbuf clusters - adjust NMBCLUSTERS or increase maxusers!\n");

doesn't always help. In my case, this message never made it into the logs.

> This is in no way a rant against FreeBSD, but rather a rant against the
> attitude that one needs to know about OS internals to run a lightweight
> server. If all of core insisted that Joe User had to know about internals
> to use FreeBSD as a server, FreeBSD would be little more than a hobbyist
> OS, rather than what it is -- the best OS currently available.

Agreed. FreeBSD is great! Let's make it even better!

Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no


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> 4) harden your TCP/IP stack to withstand SYN floods, UDP floods,
>    smurfing, fingerprinting, etc. Run a recent 4.0, or 3.3-R with my
>    hardening patches, and understand what those patches do and how to
>    use them. If you don't know how to do this, don't run an IRC
>    server.

I had a look at your diffs at
http://www.freebsd.org/~des/software/hardening-stable.diff and the ICMP
rebroadcast looks like quite usefull!  Any reason why its not commited into
stable yet ?

	---Mike
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Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net> writes:
> I had a look at your diffs at
> http://www.freebsd.org/~des/software/hardening-stable.diff and the ICMP
> rebroadcast looks like quite usefull!

You mean ICMP redirect I suppose?

>                                        Any reason why its not commited into
> stable yet ?

Because it's a bad idea to MFC non-critical stuff shortly before a
release, and because there's still some controversy over the
drop_synfin stuff.

DES
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At 09:38 PM 9/20/99 +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:
>Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net> writes:
>> I had a look at your diffs at
>> http://www.freebsd.org/~des/software/hardening-stable.diff and the ICMP
>> rebroadcast looks like quite usefull!
>
>You mean ICMP redirect I suppose?

Yes, sorry, it was a typo.

>
>>                                        Any reason why its not commited into
>> stable yet ?
>
>Because it's a bad idea to MFC non-critical stuff shortly before a
>release, and because there's still some controversy over the
>drop_synfin stuff.

Ooops. I guess I should have looked closer at the dates.  I was thinking
that this patch, or one similar to it was around for a while, as I seem to
recall a similar diff being posted to one of the lists a while ago the
specifically dealt with a way to ignore ICMP_REDIRECTs.   It is useful to
me in that Livingston Portmaster boxes dont deal very well (ie
consistantly) with ICMP redirects, and this would be one way of dealing
with this problem.

But yes, if its recent, I understand why you would not commit it so close
to a release date.

	---Mike
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Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net> writes:
> Ooops. I guess I should have looked closer at the dates.  I was thinking
> that this patch, or one similar to it was around for a while, as I seem to
> recall a similar diff being posted to one of the lists a while ago the
> specifically dealt with a way to ignore ICMP_REDIRECTs.

Yes, these patches have been around since June, but I didn't commit
them to -CURRENT before August.

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On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 11:46:44AM -0700, Jamie Norwood wrote:
> Buildworld was done with -j6, the kernel was just 'make'. No softupdates;
> could someone point me at info on what softupdates are and how I turn them
> on if I want to? ;)
> 
See /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.softupdates

bye,
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Finally got to CompUSA, after the hurricanes, to find SEVEN copies of the
PowerPak on the shelf in Norfolk, Virginia, next to STACKS of two versions
of LINUX.  Priced @ 59.95, where the LINUX next door was in a box about the
same size, for $29.95.

Marketing-droids should note that there is no indication of the VERSION
NUMBER on the box, and no indication as to how many CDs of  "stuff" are
inside -- both pretty important to attract first-time users, when box-size
and price are the only visible factors to separate you from the nearby
competitors. . . .  I'm running on 2.2.7, so I just assumed that it would be
a later version than what I had !!  The BOOK is a great improvement over the
big 3-ring binders full of web-printed pages that I've been using !!

Anyway, there are SIX left . . . . .

> > > > bob



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From: Marius Strom <marius@alpha1.net>
To: Daniel Aaron Meyer <meyerd1@fang.cs.sunyit.edu>
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Little script:

(from the unarchived setup directory):

for i in *; do
mv $i `echo $i | tr A-Z a-z`
done

It could surely be done better, shorter, and more concise, but hey, "it
worked for me"(tm).

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...In practice, there is a big difference.


On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Daniel Aaron Meyer wrote:

> These libraries come with the StarOffice 5.1 distribution.  You need
> to write a little script to convert the filenames from upper case to
> lower case - unless you have a lot of spare time.
> 
> --Dan
> 
> On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Mike Holling wrote:
> 
> > The recent thread suggesting staroffice 5.1 might work on FreeBSD
> > emboldened me, so I downloaded the 65M dist and tried installing it on my
> > 3.3-RC machine.  Unfortunately I didn't get very far:
> > 
> > outpost# ./setup
> > /tmp/sv001.tmp/setup.bin: error in loading shared libraries
> > libvos517li.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> > 
> > The "vos" library doesn't seem to be part of the staroffice distribution,
> > and I couldn't find it on a stock RedHat 6.0 box.  Has anyone gotten this
> > to work?  Other linux binaries run fine.
> > 
> > - Mike
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Bob Boone wrote:

> Anyway, there are SIX left . . . . .

It occurs to me that WC could engage in some underhand but productive
marketing by quietly repurchasing the stock from Compusa shelves, thereby
convincing them they have a large market, and thereby creating (hopefully
n-fold) more orders. Of course, this isn't self-sustaining and it would be
difficult to organise nationally, though :)

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on Monday, 20 Sep 1999 20:26:28, Ruben van Staveren wrote:
> Sorry, I could not resist it

Me too,

A example by teacher Pedro Vazquez (UNICAMP/BRAZIL):

1) Without softupdates (time1):

gandalf# time tar xfz /home/lixow/postfix-19990601.tar.gz
0.2u 0.4s 0:13.52 4.8% 254+461k 14+2358io 0pf+0w
gandalf# time rm -rf postfix-19990601
0.0u 0.1s 0:10.57 1.1% 172+282k 0+1509io 0pf+0w


2) With softupdates (time2):

gandalf# time tar xfz postfix-19990601.tar.gz
0.2u 0.3s 0:01.39 39.5% 242+438k 117+57io 1pf+0w
gandalf# time rm -rf postfix-19990601
0.0u 0.0s 0:00.05 100.0% 207+341k 0+0io 0pf+0w

3) time1/time2:

(0:13.52)/(0:01.39) = 9.72
(0:10.57)/(0:00.05) =211.4


Ata.

--------------

> 
> On Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 10:13:17PM +0200, Adam Szilveszter wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 19 Sep 1999, Andrew Boothman wrote:
> > 
> > Hi!
> > 
> > My PII-233 single-CPU system with one IDE HDD (UDMA33) took about 1 and
> > 3/4
> > hours today. But now it works _very_ fine!
> > (no softupdates were used, though)
> 
> make buildworld finished in about 50 minutes.
> a new kernel in barely two minutes.
> 
> a dual PII-400 with a UW2-LVD disk (mounted with softupdates) helps a big
> deal :)
> 
> > 
> > Cheers:
> > 
> > Szilveszter Adam
> > JATE University
> > Szeged Hungary
> > 
> > 
> > 
> Cheers too
> - Ruben
> 
> 
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i have sup'd fresh today, make buildworld, make installworld and now i am
making a kernel to include a new 2940UW, using ahc0. i get the following
errors on
make:

loading kernel
aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_create_path':
aic7xxx.o(.text+0xb53): undefined reference to `xpt_create_path'
aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_set_syncrate':
aic7xxx.o(.text+0xd42): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb'
aic7xxx.o(.text+0xd50): undefined reference to `xpt_async'
aic7xxx.o(.text+0xd61): undefined reference to `xpt_free_path'
aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_set_width':
aic7xxx.o(.text+0xee0): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb'
aic7xxx.o(.text+0xeec): undefined reference to `xpt_async'
aic7xxx.o(.text+0xefd): undefined reference to `xpt_free_path'
aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_attach':
aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1007): undefined reference to `cam_simq_alloc'
aic7xxx.o(.text+0x103b): undefined reference to `cam_sim_alloc'
aic7xxx.o(.text+0x104c): undefined reference to `cam_simq_free'

ad nauseum.

what have i missed?

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	Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no>, jcarlos@bahianet.com.br,
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Brad Knowles wrote:
> 
> At 2:47 PM +0200 1999/9/20, Luigi Rizzo wrote:
> 
> > Reading the list it seems to me that you have forgotten rule #7:
> 
>         [ ... deletia ... ]
> 
> >    7) Don't run an IRC server.
> 
>         And rule #8:
> 
>         8)  Grok every single line of source code throughout the entire
> OS and be able to recode them all in machine language (assembly is
> for wussies), or you are too stupid to run FreeBSD.

Please add to that rule #10:

	10) Accept that the people you are asking the question of MIGHT
know a little bit more about the problem than you do, and be open to
their advice, even if it doesn't fit your preconceived notion of what
the solution might be.

Granted, the answer DES gave was a little cryptic.  He was also pointing
out some of the crucial operational knowlege you need to SUCCESSFULLY
operate an IRC server.  Let me paraphrase the simple answer:

"You're running out of mbuf clusters, which causes FreeBSD panic.  It is
quite simple to expand the number of mbuf clusters in your system.  Go
search for the phrase 'mbuf clusters' in the FreeBSD handbook or the
-questions archives if you don't already know how to."

It seems highly likely that ridiculing those who not only took the time
to respond to your question, but also to GIVE YOU THE SYSTEM IN THE FIRST 
PLACE is NOT a good strategy for getting more questions answered in the 
future.

Having a sense of humor will certainly help.

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On Sun, Sep 19, 1999, Adrian Wontroba <aw1@stade.co.uk> quoth:
> On Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 05:13:32PM +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote:
> > One quick question: how long do you think a 90 MHz Pentium with 48MB of RAM
> > will take to do a make world?
> 
> A 60 MHz Pentium with 16 MB of RAM took 7 hours to do "make buildworld".
> Sorry, I've no timestamps for the subsequent installworld and kernel
> compilation.
> 
> -- 

My PII-300, with 208 megs of ram, and a Quantum Atlas II UW drive (with 2940UW controller) takes about 95
minutes to do a buildworld (make -j3 used) - the installworld takes about 10-12 minutes, I'm guessing,
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As I recall, Haobo Yu wrote:
> http://www.serv.net/~mcglk/staroffice-install.html. It worked for me. 

Do we know if this cookbook works against 2.2-STABLE?

	-crl
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Pat Young wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Sep 19, 1999, Adrian Wontroba <aw1@stade.co.uk> quoth:
> > On Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 05:13:32PM +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote:
> > > One quick question: how long do you think a 90 MHz Pentium with 48MB of RAM
> > > will take to do a make world?
> >
> > A 60 MHz Pentium with 16 MB of RAM took 7 hours to do "make buildworld".
> > Sorry, I've no timestamps for the subsequent installworld and kernel
> > compilation.
>
> 
> My PII-300, with 208 megs of ram, and a Quantum Atlas II UW drive (with 2940UW controller) takes about 95
> minutes to do a buildworld (make -j3 used) - the installworld takes about 10-12 minutes, I'm guessing,
> since I've not timed it.

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A 'make world' on my PII-450 with 128MB ram, 10k RPM IDE with no
softupdates took about 72 minutes. :-)

-Chris
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Bob Boone wrote:
> a later version than what I had !!  The BOOK is a great improvement over the
> big 3-ring binders full of web-printed pages that I've been using !!

Oh, you've been using binders? I had a 9" high stack of papers. :-)) In
the binders I bought for them (> $50) they take up over a foot and a
half of shelf space.

I wouldn't trade them for anything. (Of course, I already have The
Complete FreeBSD. I believe that that should be the first purchase of
any new FreeBSD user.)

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Marius Strom once wrote:

> Little script:
> 
> (from the unarchived setup directory):
> 
> for i in *; do
> mv $i `echo $i | tr A-Z a-z`
> done
> 
> It could surely be done better, shorter, and more concise, but hey, "it
> worked for me"(tm).

Yes, just use the `-L' switch when unzipping in the first place...

	-mi


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At 3:32 PM -0600 1999/9/20, Wes Peters wrote:

> Granted, the answer DES gave was a little cryptic.

	Cryptic.  Hmm.  That's not exactly the word I'd choose, but I'm 
willing to leave it at that for now.

>                                                     He was also pointing
> out some of the crucial operational knowlege you need to SUCCESSFULLY
> operate an IRC server.

	I disagree.  I read what he wrote, and while those might be the 
necessary steps to run the world's largest IRC server, or the world's 
most secure, I think we can all agree that not everyone in the world 
needs to be a Superman in order to have an IRC server that doesn't 
spontaneously crash.

	Yes, some of those steps were necessary (most importantly, the 
one you outline below), but not all of them.

>                         Let me paraphrase the simple answer:
>
> "You're running out of mbuf clusters, which causes FreeBSD panic.  It is
> quite simple to expand the number of mbuf clusters in your system.  Go
> search for the phrase 'mbuf clusters' in the FreeBSD handbook or the
> -questions archives if you don't already know how to."

	This is precisely the answer that should have been given in the 
first place.


	Regardless of why he did it, what DES did was drive just one more 
wedge between the FreeBSD "haves", and the folks who'd like to learn 
more about what I still feel is the best overall implementation of 
Unix for servers (and arguably for desktop workstations).  In the 
process, he's destroying a lot of good work by people such as 
yourself who would presumably attempt to close that knowledge gap in 
some way other than slamming the questioner at each and every step.

	I've known a lot of University professors like that.  Regardless 
of how much they know, they are unable or unwilling to communicate 
that information in a manner which is useful and non-abusive to 
anyone not already operating on or very near their level.  This makes 
life extremely (and unnecessarily) unpleasant for all the students 
who are forced to endure them, and the grad students who have to work 
even more closely with them.  Many simply choose to go elsewhere.

	We'll never know how many Einsteins or Mother Theresas we'll 
never have, because they never got the chance to properly discover 
that side of themselves.

> It seems highly likely that ridiculing those who not only took the time
> to respond to your question, but also to GIVE YOU THE SYSTEM IN THE FIRST
> PLACE is NOT a good strategy for getting more questions answered in the
> future.

	In the end we all die.  What will we be remembered for?  Who will 
remember us that way?

	How many people will remember all the significant contributions 
that DES has made to the history of FreeBSD and the good of freely 
available OSes around the world, and how many will remember him for 
precisely the sort of thing that got this whole thread started?

	Of the people who remember him each way, how many other people 
will they pass on that memory to?  How far will those passed on 
memories keeping getting passed on?


	Myself, I'd like very much to remember DES as a key contributor 
to what is still (for the moment, anyway) my favourite server OS, and 
I would hope that one day I might actually eliminate enough of my 
ignorance that I could possibly be capable of comprehending some of 
the stuff that he might have to share.

	However, at the moment, this seems rather unlikely.

> Having a sense of humor will certainly help.

	It's very hard to recognize humour when it's so well camoflaged as vitriol.

-- 
   These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy
  ____________________________________________________________________
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|o| Systems Architect, News & FTP Admin      Rue Col. Bourg, 124   |o|
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On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 05:39:23PM -0400, Pat Young wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 19, 1999, Adrian Wontroba <aw1@stade.co.uk> quoth:
> > On Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 05:13:32PM +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote:
> > > One quick question: how long do you think a 90 MHz Pentium with 48MB of RAM
> > > will take to do a make world?
> > 
> > A 60 MHz Pentium with 16 MB of RAM took 7 hours to do "make buildworld".
> > Sorry, I've no timestamps for the subsequent installworld and kernel
> > compilation.
> > 
> > -- 
> 
> My PII-300, with 208 megs of ram, and a Quantum Atlas II UW drive (with 2940UW controller) takes about 95
> minutes to do a buildworld (make -j3 used) - the installworld takes about 10-12 minutes, I'm guessing,
> since I've not timed it.

my old faithfull i386dx33 with '387 fitted and 8 mb of 60 ns 
dip style dram that is wired directly into the 32 bit system nd 
cpu buss (daring for its time, aka 1988) and the hard disk is 
the original fujitsu 345 mb esdi on a western digital  se 1007 
mk 2 host adapter (i cheat i have a scsi hard drive in thier as 
well, on an adaptec 1542b) take a whole 10 minutes to build world.

i start the procedure watch it fro about 5 or so minutes as i 
drink my tea then i go to bed. when i wake up in the morning i 
start the breafast and turn on teh screen and then i take 5 
minutes to get focus, i'm a slow starter, by that time i see 
that its finished properly and i can get on with my life. 

an old freind of mine said, life is too short to be sitting 
around whatchin computers doing thier jobs ... that why we buy 
good reliable hardware so we don't have to waste time watching 
all the time.

regards

jonathan, almost s old as his hardware.

please note .. reply wriiten with tongue in cheep mode attempted

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Jeffrey J. Libman wrote...
> i have sup'd fresh today, make buildworld, make installworld and now i am
> making a kernel to include a new 2940UW, using ahc0. i get the following
> errors on
> make:
> 
> loading kernel
> aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_create_path':
> aic7xxx.o(.text+0xb53): undefined reference to `xpt_create_path'
> aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_set_syncrate':
> aic7xxx.o(.text+0xd42): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb'
> aic7xxx.o(.text+0xd50): undefined reference to `xpt_async'
> aic7xxx.o(.text+0xd61): undefined reference to `xpt_free_path'
> aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_set_width':
> aic7xxx.o(.text+0xee0): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb'
> aic7xxx.o(.text+0xeec): undefined reference to `xpt_async'
> aic7xxx.o(.text+0xefd): undefined reference to `xpt_free_path'
> aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_attach':
> aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1007): undefined reference to `cam_simq_alloc'
> aic7xxx.o(.text+0x103b): undefined reference to `cam_sim_alloc'
> aic7xxx.o(.text+0x104c): undefined reference to `cam_simq_free'
> 
> ad nauseum.
> 
> what have i missed?

Probably 'controller scbus0'.

Don't forget da0, cd0, sa0, and pass0.  See GENERIC and LINT for details.

Ken
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Well folks...

I've followed http://www.serv.net/~mcglk/staroffice-install.html to the
letter but can't get StarOffice to run on my 3.3-STABLE box.  The newest
error I'm getting comes after the install has completed.  Actually, I
think it may have appeared just before completion, but I didn't see it on
the console until after.

shared address space fork attempted: pid: 302

Any ideas as to what might be causing this or how I can get past it.

Any and all help will be _much_ appreciated.

Bryan
CFDnet.com

________________________________
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> I've followed http://www.serv.net/~mcglk/staroffice-install.html to the
> letter but can't get StarOffice to run on my 3.3-STABLE box.  The newest
> error I'm getting comes after the install has completed.  Actually, I
> think it may have appeared just before completion, but I didn't see it on
> the console until after.
> 
> shared address space fork attempted: pid: 302
> 
> Any ideas as to what might be causing this or how I can get past it.

I followed the instructions on my 3.3-RC system and everything seems to be
working fine.  I got tens of thousands of these errors:

Sep 20 16:00:02 outpost /kernel: pid 4299 tried to use non-present
sched_yield
Sep 20 16:00:02 outpost /kernel: cmd soffice.bin pid 4299 tried to use
non-present sched_yield

until I went back and made a kernel with the POSIX options mentioned on
the web page.  StarOffice seems to hang on some Word docs, but I'm
assuming this has nothing to do with FreeBSD.

- Mike




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To: "Kenneth D. Merry" <ken@kdm.org>
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thankyou thankyou thankyou.

jeff

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On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Kenneth D. Merry wrote:

> Jeffrey J. Libman wrote...
> > i have sup'd fresh today, make buildworld, make installworld and now i am
> > making a kernel to include a new 2940UW, using ahc0. i get the following
> > errors on
> > make:
> > 
> > loading kernel
> > aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_create_path':
> > aic7xxx.o(.text+0xb53): undefined reference to `xpt_create_path'
> > aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_set_syncrate':
> > aic7xxx.o(.text+0xd42): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb'
> > aic7xxx.o(.text+0xd50): undefined reference to `xpt_async'
> > aic7xxx.o(.text+0xd61): undefined reference to `xpt_free_path'
> > aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_set_width':
> > aic7xxx.o(.text+0xee0): undefined reference to `xpt_setup_ccb'
> > aic7xxx.o(.text+0xeec): undefined reference to `xpt_async'
> > aic7xxx.o(.text+0xefd): undefined reference to `xpt_free_path'
> > aic7xxx.o: In function `ahc_attach':
> > aic7xxx.o(.text+0x1007): undefined reference to `cam_simq_alloc'
> > aic7xxx.o(.text+0x103b): undefined reference to `cam_sim_alloc'
> > aic7xxx.o(.text+0x104c): undefined reference to `cam_simq_free'
> > 
> > ad nauseum.
> > 
> > what have i missed?
> 
> Probably 'controller scbus0'.
> 
> Don't forget da0, cd0, sa0, and pass0.  See GENERIC and LINT for details.
> 
> Ken
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> 
> 



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> As I recall, Haobo Yu wrote:
> > http://www.serv.net/~mcglk/staroffice-install.html. It worked for me. 
> 
> Do we know if this cookbook works against 2.2-STABLE?

We know it definitely will not.  You _may_ have some luck running 
WordPerfect on 2.2, since it is a much kinder app, but not StarOffice.

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No, it uses the rmt(8) interface.  You can't do what you're
trying to do in the way you're trying to do it. :-)

If I were trying to do that, I'd either NFS mount the dump
directory off of backup or I'd do something like:

	  dump 0af - | ssh backup dd of=/tmp/var.dump

- Jordan


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> Yes; on the destination machine, do a "touch /tmp/var.dump" to create the
> file before running the backup.

Really?  I never knew that worked. :)

- Jordan


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i am having a very snake bit week.

just built a new 3.3-stable system...installing amanda24 from /usr/ports
nfs mounted from another system.

on make install, i get:

===>  Building for gnuplot-3.7
cc -O -pipe  -o gnuplot alloc.o binary.o bitmap.o command.o contour.o
datafile.o
 eval.o fit.o graphics.o graph3d.o help.o hidden3d.o internal.o interpol.o
matri
x.o misc.o parse.o plot.o plot2d.o plot3d.o readline.o scanner.o set.o
show.o sp
ecfun.o standard.o stdfn.o term.o time.o util.o util3d.o version.o
-L/usr/local/
lib  -L/usr/lib -lgd -lpng -lz  -lm -lreadline  -lncurses
term.o: In function `GIF_text':
term.o(.text+0x82f5): undefined reference to `gdImageGif'
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1


thanks in advance for any help.

cheers,
jeff

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As I recall, Mike Smith wrote:
> > As I recall, Haobo Yu wrote:
> > > http://www.serv.net/~mcglk/staroffice-install.html. It worked for me. 
> > 
> > Do we know if this cookbook works against 2.2-STABLE?
> 
> We know it definitely will not.  You _may_ have some luck running 
> WordPerfect on 2.2, since it is a much kinder app, but not StarOffice.
> 
I've got WordPerfect 8 running now.

I bought two copies (one for the office, one for home) of the StarOffice
CD-ROM from the Sun Web site ($9.95 each) and loaded the Windows version
on a Win98 machine at home.  I loaded the Solaris SPARC version on an
E450 at work.  I'm just shooting for universal deployment.  I suppose
the POSIX kernel stuff would kill me on my 2.2 machines.

Anybody sign up for doing the Native FreeBSD port whenever Sun gets
around to releasing the sources?

	-crl
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Jamie Norwood wrote in list.freebsd-stable:
 > On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 08:26:28PM +0200, Ruben van Staveren wrote:
 > > 
 > > make buildworld finished in about 50 minutes.
 > > a new kernel in barely two minutes.
 > > 
 > > a dual PII-400 with a UW2-LVD disk (mounted with softupdates) helps a big
 > > deal :)
 > 
 > Dual cel 500's with 7200 RPM scsi drives does make buildworld in 58 minutes,
 > and a new kernel in 3 minutes. (Just to throw mine into the mix; is anyone
 > keeping track of this? ;) )

42 minutes here.  Dual Celeron-466 (running at 2 x 525 MHz),
256 Mb RAM, /usr/src in an MFS, /usr/obj on a SCSI disk with
soft-updates enabled.

A kernel takes about 2 minutes.

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"Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com> wrote:
>> Yes; on the destination machine, do a "touch /tmp/var.dump" to create the
>> file before running the backup.
>
>Really?  I never knew that worked. :)

It's sort-of documented in rmt(8):
BUGS
     People should be discouraged from using this for a remote file access
     protocol.

There are a few caveats:
1) It uses rexec/rcmd, which is a security hole.
2) The destination file won't be truncated by rmt or rdump.  This means
   that if you dump 5GB (say) into it one day and 1GB (say) the next,
   the file will still report as 5GB.

Peter


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As I recall, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> No, it uses the rmt(8) interface.  You can't do what you're
> trying to do in the way you're trying to do it. :-)
> 
> If I were trying to do that, I'd either NFS mount the dump
> directory off of backup or I'd do something like:
> 
> 	  dump 0af - | ssh backup dd of=/tmp/var.dump
> 
> - Jordan

This file lives in /root/bin on one of my systems...
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
#!/bin/sh

# dump the whole system to Chad's DAT tape

/sbin/dump 0ubBf 32 2000000 'operator@chad:/dev/nrst0' /      > Log 2>&1
/sbin/dump 0ubBf 32 2000000 'operator@chad:/dev/nrst0' /usr  >> Log 2>&1
/sbin/dump 0ubBf 32 2000000 'operator@chad:/dev/nrst0' /var  >> Log 2>&1
/sbin/dump 0ubBf 32 2000000 'operator@chad:/dev/nrst0' /www  >> Log 2>&1
/sbin/dump 0ubBf 32 2000000 'operator@chad:/dev/nrst0' /archive  >> Log 2>&1
/sbin/dump 0ubBf 32 2000000 'operator@chad:/dev/nrst0' /ftp/public  >> Log 2>&1
/sbin/dump 0ubBf 32 2000000 'operator@chad:/dev/rst0'  /ftp/private  >> Log 2>&1
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


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With their ever-stricter licensing agreements and their ever-less
competitive position in the market, it is likely to be some time before
the source is released under a usable license.

				-Kip

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Chad R. Larson wrote:

> As I recall, Mike Smith wrote:
> > > As I recall, Haobo Yu wrote:
> > > > http://www.serv.net/~mcglk/staroffice-install.html. It worked for me. 
> > > 
> > > Do we know if this cookbook works against 2.2-STABLE?
> > 
> > We know it definitely will not.  You _may_ have some luck running 
> > WordPerfect on 2.2, since it is a much kinder app, but not StarOffice.
> > 
> I've got WordPerfect 8 running now.
> 
> I bought two copies (one for the office, one for home) of the StarOffice
> CD-ROM from the Sun Web site ($9.95 each) and loaded the Windows version
> on a Win98 machine at home.  I loaded the Solaris SPARC version on an
> E450 at work.  I'm just shooting for universal deployment.  I suppose
> the POSIX kernel stuff would kill me on my 2.2 machines.
> 
> Anybody sign up for doing the Native FreeBSD port whenever Sun gets
> around to releasing the sources?
> 
> 	-crl
> --
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I do this
to may back up drives

nice -20 rsh -K -l root www.host.net "cd /;nice -20 /sbin/dump -0ua -f -
/dev/wd0s1a" >> /mnt/backup1/date_machine.dump

or if you want to do a restore to drive and have it ready to replace

nice -20 rsh -K -l root www.host.net "cd /;nice -20 /sbin/dump -0ua -f -
/dev/wd0s1a" >> ( cd /mnt && restore -ruf - /dev/wd1s1a )

if there is a better for faster way to do this please let me know

Tony




At 05:32 PM 9/20/99 -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote:
>As I recall, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>> No, it uses the rmt(8) interface.=A0 You can't do what you're
>> trying to do in the way you're trying to do it. :-)
>>=20
>> If I were trying to do that, I'd either NFS mount the dump
>> directory off of backup or I'd do something like:
>>=20
>> =A0 dump 0af - | ssh backup dd of=3D/tmp/var.dump
>>=20
>> - Jordan
>
>This file lives in /root/bin on one of my systems...
>-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=
=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D
>#!/bin/sh
>
># dump the whole system to Chad's DAT tape
>
>/sbin/dump 0ubBf 32 2000000 'operator@chad:/dev/nrst0' /=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=
 Log 2>&1
>/sbin/dump 0ubBf 32 2000000 'operator@chad:/dev/nrst0' /usr=A0 >> Log 2>&1
>/sbin/dump 0ubBf 32 2000000 'operator@chad:/dev/nrst0' /var=A0 >> Log 2>&1
>/sbin/dump 0ubBf 32 2000000 'operator@chad:/dev/nrst0' /www=A0 >> Log 2>&1
>/sbin/dump 0ubBf 32 2000000 'operator@chad:/dev/nrst0' /archive=A0 >> Log=
 2>&1
>/sbin/dump 0ubBf 32 2000000 'operator@chad:/dev/nrst0' /ftp/public=A0 >>=
 Log
2>&1
>/sbin/dump 0ubBf 32 2000000 'operator@chad:/dev/rst0'=A0 /ftp/private=A0 >>=
 Log
2>&1
>-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=
=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D
>
>
> -crl
>--
>Chad R. Larson (CRL15)=A0=A0 602-953-1392=A0=A0 Brother, can you paradigm?
>chad@dcfinc.com=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 chad@larsons.org=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
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>DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207
>
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Hi,
I am having problems with a program of mine getting stuck in the vmopar state
when it talks to our custom PCI DA card, and I was wondering if anyone could
give a pointer about where to start looking for problems?

From my understanding vmopar is where a process is stuck waiting for a page to
become unbusy (which only happens in an interrupt).

This driver didn't have a problem in 2.2.8, so I am not sure if its an OS bug
or mine :)

I looked in the archives and there was a suggestion that it was NFS related so
I umount'd the NFS partitions but no joy.

Any ideas? I really don't want to go back to using 2.2.8+CAM instead of
3.3-RELEASE :)

---
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> NUMBER on the box, and no indication as to how many CDs of  "stuff" are
> inside -- both pretty important to attract first-time users, when box-size
> and price are the only visible factors to separate you from the nearby

The only box version ever released so far has been 3.2, so the
customer getting the "wrong box" was at least not something open to
chance up to now.  When the first update comes out (3.3) shortly, you
may rest assured that it will also be adequately labelled as such. :)

- Jordan


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On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Kris Kennaway wrote:

: make installworld takes about 2 minutes.

On a good, fast system, of course -- which I assume the original
poster would have if he has customers using the system.  On my poor
ol' 5x86 with VLB IDE it takes 20 mins (-:

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On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Matt Behrens wrote:

> : make installworld takes about 2 minutes.
> 
> On a good, fast system, of course -- which I assume the original
> poster would have if he has customers using the system.  On my poor
> ol' 5x86 with VLB IDE it takes 20 mins (-:

That was a deliberate exaggeration, but we're only talking
order-of-magnitude figures here anyway :)

I think this discussion is usefully over by now - the original poster
has got what he asked for :-)

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> It occurs to me that WC could engage in some underhand but productive
> marketing by quietly repurchasing the stock from Compusa shelves, thereby

Heh, happily, we haven't even had to consider such a thing since
first-time availability, coupled with CompUSA's "competetive pricing"
(read: a slight failure to list it as costing $59.95 in the wholesale
catalog :), has gotten them to fly off pretty nicely on their own. :)

- Jordan


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On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:

> > It occurs to me that WC could engage in some underhand but productive
> > marketing by quietly repurchasing the stock from Compusa shelves, thereby
> 
> Heh, happily, we haven't even had to consider such a thing since
> first-time availability, coupled with CompUSA's "competetive pricing"
> (read: a slight failure to list it as costing $59.95 in the wholesale
> catalog :), has gotten them to fly off pretty nicely on their own. :)

I'm really pleased to hear this!

Kris



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On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Mike Holling wrote:

: until I went back and made a kernel with the POSIX options mentioned on
: the web page.  StarOffice seems to hang on some Word docs, but I'm
: assuming this has nothing to do with FreeBSD.

It doesn't.  I use StarOffice on RH6 at work and I have a stack of
mostly macro-laden Word documents that lock it up.

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On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Chad R. Larson wrote:

: Anybody sign up for doing the Native FreeBSD port whenever Sun gets
: around to releasing the sources?

Sadly, I'm not much of a hacker, but if you need someone to test,
I'm your man! :-)  I use StarOffice daily on RH6 and am fairly
familiar with it now.

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Brad Knowles wrote:
> 
> At 3:32 PM -0600 1999/9/20, Wes Peters wrote:
> 
> > Granted, the answer DES gave was a little cryptic.
> 
>         Cryptic.  Hmm.  That's not exactly the word I'd choose, but I'm
> willing to leave it at that for now.
> 
> >                                                     He was also pointing
> > out some of the crucial operational knowlege you need to SUCCESSFULLY
> > operate an IRC server.
> 
>         I disagree.  I read what he wrote, and while those might be the
> necessary steps to run the world's largest IRC server, or the world's
> most secure, I think we can all agree that not everyone in the world
> needs to be a Superman in order to have an IRC server that doesn't
> spontaneously crash.

Right up until somebody launches a clone attack against you, which results
in your server rolling over and dying one way or another.

>         Yes, some of those steps were necessary (most importantly, the
> one you outline below), but not all of them.

Right up until somebody launches a clone attack against you... (this is
getting monotonous, isn't it?  ;^)

> >                         Let me paraphrase the simple answer:
> >
> > "You're running out of mbuf clusters, which causes FreeBSD panic.  It is
> > quite simple to expand the number of mbuf clusters in your system.  Go
> > search for the phrase 'mbuf clusters' in the FreeBSD handbook or the
> > -questions archives if you don't already know how to."
> 
>         This is precisely the answer that should have been given in the
> first place.

He did, he just wrote it in geek-speak.  I happen to be fluent in geek-
speak, and several other forms of communication.  Consider me to be a
poor biological predecessor to C3PO.

>         Regardless of why he did it, what DES did was drive just one more
> wedge between the FreeBSD "haves", and the folks who'd like to learn
> more about what I still feel is the best overall implementation of
> Unix for servers (and arguably for desktop workstations).  In the
> process, he's destroying a lot of good work by people such as
> yourself who would presumably attempt to close that knowledge gap in
> some way other than slamming the questioner at each and every step.

We have a way of moderating this, it's called the -questions mailing list.
Unfortunately, we have a lot of users who think they are so important they
can just jump right over the -questions mailing list and either go directly
to hackers, or worse yet, cross post their questions to 3 or 4 or 5
different mailing lists.

I fully realize there are times when you want to get a question answered
as soon as possible, but it is rarely true that cross-posting your question
to -stable, -questions, and -security is the best way to accomplish this.

>         I've known a lot of University professors like that.  Regardless
> of how much they know, they are unable or unwilling to communicate
> that information in a manner which is useful and non-abusive to
> anyone not already operating on or very near their level.  This makes
> life extremely (and unnecessarily) unpleasant for all the students
> who are forced to endure them, and the grad students who have to work
> even more closely with them.  Many simply choose to go elsewhere.
> 
>         We'll never know how many Einsteins or Mother Theresas we'll
> never have, because they never got the chance to properly discover
> that side of themselves.

None.  If they were truly an Einstein or a Mother Theresa, they would
persevere, not because they want to, but because they HAVE to.

> > It seems highly likely that ridiculing those who not only took the time
> > to respond to your question, but also to GIVE YOU THE SYSTEM IN THE FIRST
> > PLACE is NOT a good strategy for getting more questions answered in the
> > future.
> 
>         In the end we all die.  What will we be remembered for?  Who will
> remember us that way?

In the general case, the only important contribution we can leave to
humanity is our DNA imprints on our children.  That's why we call works
like FreeBSD our "brainchildren," but it is a poor comparison at best. I 
think most of the discussions that fly back and forth here, mine included,
would fare better if we all kept a certain amount of perspective here.

>         How many people will remember all the significant contributions
> that DES has made to the history of FreeBSD and the good of freely
> available OSes around the world, and how many will remember him for
> precisely the sort of thing that got this whole thread started?
> 
>         Of the people who remember him each way, how many other people
> will they pass on that memory to?  How far will those passed on
> memories keeping getting passed on?
> 
>         Myself, I'd like very much to remember DES as a key contributor
> to what is still (for the moment, anyway) my favourite server OS, and
> I would hope that one day I might actually eliminate enough of my
> ignorance that I could possibly be capable of comprehending some of
> the stuff that he might have to share.
> 
>         However, at the moment, this seems rather unlikely.
> 
> > Having a sense of humor will certainly help.
> 
>         It's very hard to recognize humour when it's so well camoflaged as vitriol.

I wasn't referring to DES's reply, which was really quite mild for him.
I was referring to the reaction of two users to what he said, which was
just as uncalled for and somewhat less wise in the long run.

Without apologizing in any way for the high-brow and snotty tone of DES's
reply, there were some real nuggets of wisdom in there any anyone who took
the time to read it would have recognized that and acted upon it, rather
than getting their hackles up and insulting him back.

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> Well folks...
> 
> I've followed http://www.serv.net/~mcglk/staroffice-install.html to the
> letter but can't get StarOffice to run on my 3.3-STABLE box.  The newest
> error I'm getting comes after the install has completed.  Actually, I
> think it may have appeared just before completion, but I didn't see it on
> the console until after.
> 
> shared address space fork attempted: pid: 302
> 
> Any ideas as to what might be causing this or how I can get past it.
> 
> Any and all help will be _much_ appreciated.

Well, if that message is associated with trying to run Star Office then the
problem is that you have an SMP machine and shared address space forking 
is only supported in -CURRENT for SMP machines.  This being the case, you can
either move to -CURRENT or backport Luoqi Chen's vmspace sharing patches
from -CURRENT.

-- 
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On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 04:24:39PM -0500, Jeffrey J. Libman wrote:

> i have sup'd fresh today, make buildworld, make installworld and now i am
> making a kernel to include a new 2940UW, using ahc0. i get the following
> errors on make:
(...)
> what have i missed?

To include the config file.

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On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Greg Lewis wrote:

> > 
> > I've followed http://www.serv.net/~mcglk/staroffice-install.html to the
> > letter but can't get StarOffice to run on my 3.3-STABLE box.  The newest

> Well, if that message is associated with trying to run Star Office then the
> problem is that you have an SMP machine and shared address space forking 
> is only supported in -CURRENT for SMP machines.  This being the case, you can
> either move to -CURRENT or backport Luoqi Chen's vmspace sharing patches
> from -CURRENT.

Ahhh.  That would explain my problem as well...

Are Luoqi's patches likely to make it into stable at all? If so is there a
timeline?

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Actually, there is one other option, I used it. Compile a single CPU kernel,
install StarOffice , then compile you SMP kernel and use StarOffice...

On 21-Sep-99 Greg Lewis wrote:
>> Well folks...
>> 
>> I've followed http://www.serv.net/~mcglk/staroffice-install.html to the
>> letter but can't get StarOffice to run on my 3.3-STABLE box.  The newest
>> error I'm getting comes after the install has completed.  Actually, I
>> think it may have appeared just before completion, but I didn't see it on
>> the console until after.
>> 
>> shared address space fork attempted: pid: 302
>> 
>> Any ideas as to what might be causing this or how I can get past it.
>> 
>> Any and all help will be _much_ appreciated.
> 
> Well, if that message is associated with trying to run Star Office then the
> problem is that you have an SMP machine and shared address space forking 
> is only supported in -CURRENT for SMP machines.  This being the case, you can
> either move to -CURRENT or backport Luoqi Chen's vmspace sharing patches
> from -CURRENT.
> 
> -- 
> Greg Lewis                            glewis@trc.adelaide.edu.au
> Computing Officer                     +61 8 8303 5083
> Teletraffic Research Centre
> 
> 
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On 20-Sep-99 Daniel Aaron Meyer wrote:

()  These libraries come with the StarOffice 5.1 distribution.  You need
()  to write a little script to convert the filenames from upper case to
()  lower case - unless you have a lot of spare time.

It's a pleasure for unzip to do this for you if you give it a -L flag.

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On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 05:22:53PM -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote:
> 
> Anybody sign up for doing the Native FreeBSD port whenever Sun gets
> around to releasing the sources?
> 
> 	-crl

I got a letter from Sun yesterday about their portal version which
they are planning for the future.  They're asking ISPs to get involved
to act as Application service provders.  Of course I said yes, and am
expecting a call from them next week.

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Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com> writes:
> Brad Knowles wrote:
> >         I disagree.  I read what he wrote, and while those might be the
> > necessary steps to run the world's largest IRC server, or the world's
> > most secure, I think we can all agree that not everyone in the world
> > needs to be a Superman in order to have an IRC server that doesn't
> > spontaneously crash.
> Right up until somebody launches a clone attack against you, which results
> in your server rolling over and dying one way or another.

Actually, clone attacks aren't very common because they're easy to
foil (by setting up sufficiently restrictive connection classes).
Floodinf, smurfing and SYN attacks are much more common. As has been
pointed out on -security, FreeBSD may panic when subjected to a heavy
SYN flood.

> I wasn't referring to DES's reply, which was really quite mild for him.

Hmpfs.

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65MB download.  But excessive if you ask me.

If anyone is interested Sun is giving away free copies of Star Office on
CD.  But only in the UK as far as I can tell.

The url is:

	www.sun.co.uk/dot-com/staroffice/get.html


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mike Holling
> Sent: 20 September 1999 18:54
> To: stable@freebsd.org
> Subject: Sun's StarOffice 5.1, again
>
>
> The recent thread suggesting staroffice 5.1 might work on FreeBSD
> emboldened me, so I downloaded the 65M dist and tried installing it on my
> 3.3-RC machine.  Unfortunately I didn't get very far:
>
> outpost# ./setup
> /tmp/sv001.tmp/setup.bin: error in loading shared libraries
> libvos517li.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
>
> The "vos" library doesn't seem to be part of the staroffice distribution,
> and I couldn't find it on a stock RedHat 6.0 box.  Has anyone gotten this
> to work?  Other linux binaries run fine.
>
> - Mike
>
>
>
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In reply to the message from Matt Behrens
> On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> 
> : make installworld takes about 2 minutes.
> 
> On a good, fast system, of course -- which I assume the original
> poster would have if he has customers using the system.  On my poor
> ol' 5x86 with VLB IDE it takes 20 mins (-:

Just to provide another comparison point, on a Pentium II 300
with just one SCSI disk (slow, Quantum Fireball) and using
softupdates make buidworld gives

real    82m33.021s
user    55m30.528s
sys     10m48.433s

(i have also checked make -j 4 which took 80 mn. In both cases
the machine was into multiuser state, but not swapping since
i have 256 Megs)

to this one must add make installworld ( 8 mn) and redo the kernel
plus some time to merge /etc. Everything worked perfectly OK,
in particular mergemaster helped much in the last phase, which took
me around 1/2 hour. Congratulations to the FreeBSD team!


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Thus spake Jose Marques (noway@nohow.demon.co.uk):

> and /usr/obj filesystems via NFS).  This worked for me with 2.2-stable but
> I've not tried it with 3.x-stable.

Works great here.

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From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no>
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Has anybody else experienced problems with Sendmail in 3.3-R? I have a
box handling mail for a handful of domains (listed in sendmail.cw),
but after upgrading to 3.3R it tries to relay mail for those domains
instead of accepting it for local delivery, and gives up when it finds
out that the MX points to itself:

554 MX list for ofug.org. points back to flood.ping.uio.no
554 <des@ofug.org>... Local configuration error

This used to work fine before the upgrade. I've always used (and still
use) an unmodified sendmail.cf, with the exception of an additional T
line.

DES
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Hi !

I recently cvsuped one my 3.2-stable machine - all was fine ...
But ..
On another machine with the same 3.2-stable during "make world" I've got
this :

===================begin====================
vm/vm_zone.h -> vm/vm_zone.ph
vm/vnode_pager.h -> vm/vnode_pager.ph
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code
1
=================end=================

What is the problem and what can I do ?
Some of binaries where changed .....
Alex N Zhuravlev

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Hello,
	Has anyone else noticed netscape frequently core-dumping with
signel 10 (SIGBUS) recently? I have had this problem very frequently
with X 3.3.5 and 3.3-stable, but before those 2 upgrades which occured
at roughly the same time, netscape would run happily for weeks without
ever crashing, for your information, I am running netscape 4.61-linux 
under Linux emulation. (linux_base from ports tree) as I was before.

-Matt

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Hi,

On 21 Sep 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:

> Has anybody else experienced problems with Sendmail in 3.3-R? I have a
> box handling mail for a handful of domains (listed in sendmail.cw),
> but after upgrading to 3.3R it tries to relay mail for those domains
> instead of accepting it for local delivery, and gives up when it finds
> out that the MX points to itself:
> 
> 554 MX list for ofug.org. points back to flood.ping.uio.no
> 554 <des@ofug.org>... Local configuration error
> 
> This used to work fine before the upgrade. I've always used (and still
> use) an unmodified sendmail.cf, with the exception of an additional T
> line.

 /etc/mail/sendmail.cw is allright ? Did you check for an "Fw-o
/etc/mail/sendmail.cw" line ?

 I'd like to know what you find out, I'm about to upgrade a production
server from 3.2-STABLE to 3.3-RELEASE (BTW, any other problems ?)...

> 
> DES
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> Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no
> 

 Thanks, I hope it helps,
 Ady (@warpnet.ro)



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Jamie Norwood <mistwolf@mushhaven.net> writes:
> On Mon, Sep 20, 1999 at 08:26:28PM +0200, Ruben van Staveren wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 10:13:17PM +0200, Adam Szilveszter wrote:
> > > My PII-233 single-CPU system with one IDE HDD (UDMA33) took about 1 and
> > > 3/4 hours today. But now it works _very_ fine!
> > > (no softupdates were used, though)
> > make buildworld finished in about 50 minutes.
> > a new kernel in barely two minutes.
> > 
> > a dual PII-400 with a UW2-LVD disk (mounted with softupdates) helps a big
> > deal :)
> Dual cel 500's with 7200 RPM scsi drives does make buildworld in 58 minutes,
> and a new kernel in 3 minutes. (Just to throw mine into the mix; is anyone
> keeping track of this? ;) )

...and Adam's 233 MHz PII can build world in less than an hour if he
tunes it properly (soft updates and CFLAGS='-O -pipe' with sufficient
RAM oughta do the trick).

DES
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Adrian Penisoara <ady@warpnet.ro> writes:
>  /etc/mail/sendmail.cw is allright ? Did you check for an "Fw-o
> /etc/mail/sendmail.cw" line ?

Well duh, thanks :) I'd simply forgotten that sendmail.cw was supposed
to be in /etc/mail now instead of /etc.

DES
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> Actually, there is one other option, I used it. Compile a single CPU kernel,
> install StarOffice , then compile you SMP kernel and use StarOffice...

Ahh, so it only tries the forking during install then.  I wasn't aware of
that :).  Your fix will certainly work if thats the case.  I may just try it
during my next scheduled OS upgrade, thanks!

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>Has anyone else noticed netscape frequently core-dumping with
>signel 10 (SIGBUS) recently? I have had this problem very frequently
>with X 3.3.5 and 3.3-stable, but before those 2 upgrades which occured
>at roughly the same time, netscape would run happily for weeks without
>ever crashing, for your information, I am running netscape 4.61-linux 
>under Linux emulation. (linux_base from ports tree) as I was before.

Are you trying to connect to Slashdot ?

I recently started getting SIGBUS errors on a 2.2.8-STABLE system.

Robert



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On Tue, Sep 21, 1999 at 07:09:59PM +0700, Alex N. Zhuravlev wrote:
> Hi !
> 
> I recently cvsuped one my 3.2-stable machine - all was fine ...
> But ..
> On another machine with the same 3.2-stable during "make world" I've got
> this :
> 
> ===================begin====================
> vm/vm_zone.h -> vm/vm_zone.ph
> vm/vnode_pager.h -> vm/vnode_pager.ph
> *** Error code 1
> 
[...]

Do you use isdn4bsd ? Check /usr/include for symlinks to
non-existing files created by isdn4bsd, that was the problem a
friend of mine had at *exactly* the same point that you have (at
least your output looks like that - somewhere during the
installation of perl).

bye,
  Harold

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Same here.

This started happening to my 3.2-STABLE + Netscape Communicator 4.6
(FreeBSD native) recently too.

Frequently core-dumping with SIGBUS (always on Slashdot).. This never
used to happen before..

The obvious common factor here looks like Slashdot. Did Slashdot introduce
some HTML combination that crashes Netscape?

Markus


On Tue, Sep 21, 1999 at 05:26:07AM -0700, Robert Swindells wrote:
> 
> >Has anyone else noticed netscape frequently core-dumping with
> >signel 10 (SIGBUS) recently? I have had this problem very frequently
> >with X 3.3.5 and 3.3-stable, but before those 2 upgrades which occured
> >at roughly the same time, netscape would run happily for weeks without
> >ever crashing, for your information, I am running netscape 4.61-linux 
> >under Linux emulation. (linux_base from ports tree) as I was before.
> 
> Are you trying to connect to Slashdot ?
> 
> I recently started getting SIGBUS errors on a 2.2.8-STABLE system.

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I can't say that it was slashdot, as I'm one of the few who does not read
slashdot often *grin*. Also, pages that have crashed my netscape, did not
crash it when I re-lauched and returned to that page -- Odd.


On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Markus Holmberg wrote:

: 
: Same here.
: 
: This started happening to my 3.2-STABLE + Netscape Communicator 4.6
: (FreeBSD native) recently too.
: 
: Frequently core-dumping with SIGBUS (always on Slashdot).. This never
: used to happen before..
: 
: The obvious common factor here looks like Slashdot. Did Slashdot introduce
: some HTML combination that crashes Netscape?
: 
: Markus
: 
: 
: On Tue, Sep 21, 1999 at 05:26:07AM -0700, Robert Swindells wrote:
: > 
: > >Has anyone else noticed netscape frequently core-dumping with
: > >signel 10 (SIGBUS) recently? I have had this problem very frequently
: > >with X 3.3.5 and 3.3-stable, but before those 2 upgrades which occured
: > >at roughly the same time, netscape would run happily for weeks without
: > >ever crashing, for your information, I am running netscape 4.61-linux 
: > >under Linux emulation. (linux_base from ports tree) as I was before.
: > 
: > Are you trying to connect to Slashdot ?
: > 
: > I recently started getting SIGBUS errors on a 2.2.8-STABLE system.
: 
: -- 
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: saska@acc.umu.se        |       http://www.freebsd.org
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Tue Sep 21  6:59:32 1999
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Kip Macy <kip@lyris.com> writes:
> This is in no way a rant against FreeBSD, but rather a rant against the
> attitude that one needs to know about OS internals to run a lightweight
> server.

Calling what he did to that box "running a lightweight server" is a
very very wide stretch of imagination. I haven't seen his CLONE
program and therefore can't speak with 100% assurance, but I've run
similar experiments against my own servers, so I think I'm entitled to
make an educated guess about the behaviour of CLONE. It simulates a
worst-case scenario for an IRC server: open hundreds of connections,
log on, join a channel, but don't consume the data the server sends.
This fills up the server's send queues and exhausts its mbuf pool.
Memory consumption is a quadratic function of the number of clones
(linear if you just connect without joining a channel).

The worst thing about CLONE is that it's neither a realistic
simulation of normal everyday IRC traffic (because real IRC clients
consume data almost as soon as it is sent, and therefore do not fill
up the server's send queues), nor of a typical attack against an IRC
server (because a properly-configured IRC server does not allow a
large number of connections from the same host, nor does it allow the
send queues to fill up, and is therefore practically immune to this
kind of attack).

This is what mbuf usage looks like on a real-world IRC server with
1800 clients:

root@irc ~# netstat -m
2859/9376 mbufs in use:
        947 mbufs allocated to data
        1912 mbufs allocated to packet headers
180/2466/8192 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max)
6104 Kbytes allocated to network (11% in use)
0 requests for memory denied
0 requests for memory delayed
0 calls to protocol drain routines

DES
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Tue Sep 21  7:26:33 1999
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On Tue, Sep 21, 1999 at 01:31:06PM +0100, Tony Finch wrote:
> jonathan michaels <jon@caamora.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >my old faithfull i386dx33 [...] take a whole 10 minutes to build world.
> >
> >i start the procedure watch it fro about 5 or so minutes as i 
> >drink my tea then i go to bed. when i wake up in the morning i 
> >start the breafast and turn on teh screen and then i take 5 
> >minutes to get focus, i'm a slow starter, by that time i see 
> >that its finished properly and i can get on with my life. 
> 
> :-)
> 
> I have a couple of scripts which I install on every box that I want to
> track -STABLE. One is a wrapper for `make buildworld` that also
> cvsups and rebuilds the kernel and sysinstall and does a diff on
> /etc. I run it nightly from cron and look at the results in my email
> each morning. It almost never fails (and when it does it's me that
> broke it). When I feel the need I can run mergemaster and my
> installworld script, and I have an up-to-date OS.

yup, only i'm not so advanced ... my needs are simple so i just 
do what needs to be done and it all works out.

i do what you do manually, that is type in teh stuff by hand 
and if i make a mistake my hardware (the old 386) is slwo 
enough and forgiving enough to let me see whats ggoing one. on 
the other hand teh 486 is starting to get a bit blurry. when 
240 cps was king of teh heap modem speed i could almost keep up.

things have changed .. some say fro the better, faster is not 
always better.

warm regards, thx for the reply.

cheers

jonathan

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Hello

Just as a data point, my ancient 3.0-Current from around november last
year and Netscrap4.50 can read /.

	TfH

matt wrote:
> 
> I can't say that it was slashdot, as I'm one of the few who does not read
> slashdot often *grin*. Also, pages that have crashed my netscape, did not
> crash it when I re-lauched and returned to that page -- Odd.
> 
> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Markus Holmberg wrote:
> 
> :
> : Same here.
> :
> : This started happening to my 3.2-STABLE + Netscape Communicator 4.6
> : (FreeBSD native) recently too.
> :
> : Frequently core-dumping with SIGBUS (always on Slashdot).. This never
> : used to happen before..
> :
> : The obvious common factor here looks like Slashdot. Did Slashdot introduce
> : some HTML combination that crashes Netscape?
> :
> : Markus
> :
> :
> : On Tue, Sep 21, 1999 at 05:26:07AM -0700, Robert Swindells wrote:
> : >
> : > >Has anyone else noticed netscape frequently core-dumping with
> : > >signel 10 (SIGBUS) recently? I have had this problem very frequently
> : > >with X 3.3.5 and 3.3-stable, but before those 2 upgrades which occured
> : > >at roughly the same time, netscape would run happily for weeks without
> : > >ever crashing, for your information, I am running netscape 4.61-linux
> : > >under Linux emulation. (linux_base from ports tree) as I was before.
> : >
> : > Are you trying to connect to Slashdot ?
> : >
> : > I recently started getting SIGBUS errors on a 2.2.8-STABLE system.
> :
> : --
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At 07:09 PM 9/21/99 +0700, you wrote:
>Hi !
>What is the problem and what can I do ?
>Some of binaries where changed .....

3.3-RC is out of date now; if you have 3.3-RC, try 3.3-STABLE.

Also see http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/vm/vm_zone.h,
it looks like it hasn't been changed since pre-3.3-RC. Additionally,
it hasn't been changed much at all in the past 5 years:
$FreeBSD: src/sys/vm/vm_zone.h,v 1.12.2.1 1999/08/29 16:33:41 peter Exp $
$Id: vm_zone.h,v 1.2 1997/08/05 22:24:31 dyson Exp $

I had no problems with 3.3-STABLE `make world`, although some
programs had compile-time warnings (non-fatal errors). However,
I did have to bomb /usr/src and redownload the entire source
since there was something wrong with my contrib/gcc stuff; see
mailing list archive. You might resort to this, but I'm pretty
sure this is a different problem..

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Subject: Re: netscape + X 3.3.5 + 3.3-stable
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On Tue, Sep 21, 1999 at 04:25:10PM +0200, Thierry Herbelot wrote:
> Hello
> 
> Just as a data point, my ancient 3.0-Current from around november last
> year and Netscrap4.50 can read /.

Maybe I should clarify what I wrote earlier. My browser *doesn't always*
core dump on Slashdot, I just meant that *when* it happens, it happens on
Slashdot (and quite frequently) :).

Also as matt said, it doesn't crash on the same page if the browser was
restarted immediately after. (But.. much on Slashdot is dynamic, it's a
long shot, but the code could change between the crash and restart :P)

Markus

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I wanted to briefly reply to this thread before it
(hopefully) dies.  As far as I know, this is THE REAL WORLD and not a
class and none of the contributors to these lists have the time or energy 
to foster a users fragile self esteem.  I myself am a (relative)
newbie, but that doesn't mean I need a sugar-coated response to every
newbie question out there.

The point is that DES took the time to present the necessary information.
Who cares if his presentation was a little rough; in my experience, you
are lucky to even get such a detailed answer without a price tag attached.
I believe that the first thing any newbie needs to do is grow a thicker
skin; if you can admit that you are in the dark, then maybe you won't
gripe when the light provided isn't just what you expected.  Instead
you'll show what seems to be a dying aspect of humanity: Gratitude.

Thanks DES and the rest who answered the original question.  Some of us do
appreciate everything we get.     

> 
> At 3:32 PM -0600 1999/9/20, Wes Peters wrote:
> 
> > Granted, the answer DES gave was a little cryptic.
> 
> 	Cryptic.  Hmm.  That's not exactly the word I'd choose, but I'm 
> willing to leave it at that for now.
> 
> >                                                     He was also pointing
> > out some of the crucial operational knowlege you need to SUCCESSFULLY
> > operate an IRC server.
> 
> 	I disagree.  I read what he wrote, and while those might be the 
> necessary steps to run the world's largest IRC server, or the world's 
> most secure, I think we can all agree that not everyone in the world 
> needs to be a Superman in order to have an IRC server that doesn't 
> spontaneously crash.
> 
> 	Yes, some of those steps were necessary (most importantly, the 
> one you outline below), but not all of them.
> 
> >                         Let me paraphrase the simple answer:
> >
> > "You're running out of mbuf clusters, which causes FreeBSD panic.  It is
> > quite simple to expand the number of mbuf clusters in your system.  Go
> > search for the phrase 'mbuf clusters' in the FreeBSD handbook or the
> > -questions archives if you don't already know how to."
> 
> 	This is precisely the answer that should have been given in the 
> first place.
> 
> 
> 	Regardless of why he did it, what DES did was drive just one more 
> wedge between the FreeBSD "haves", and the folks who'd like to learn 
> more about what I still feel is the best overall implementation of 
> Unix for servers (and arguably for desktop workstations).  In the 
> process, he's destroying a lot of good work by people such as 
> yourself who would presumably attempt to close that knowledge gap in 
> some way other than slamming the questioner at each and every step.
> 
> 	I've known a lot of University professors like that.  Regardless 
> of how much they know, they are unable or unwilling to communicate 
> that information in a manner which is useful and non-abusive to 
> anyone not already operating on or very near their level.  This makes 
> life extremely (and unnecessarily) unpleasant for all the students 
> who are forced to endure them, and the grad students who have to work 
> even more closely with them.  Many simply choose to go elsewhere.
> 
> 	We'll never know how many Einsteins or Mother Theresas we'll 
> never have, because they never got the chance to properly discover 
> that side of themselves.
> 
> > It seems highly likely that ridiculing those who not only took the time
> > to respond to your question, but also to GIVE YOU THE SYSTEM IN THE FIRST
> > PLACE is NOT a good strategy for getting more questions answered in the
> > future.
> 
> 	In the end we all die.  What will we be remembered for?  Who will 
> remember us that way?
> 
> 	How many people will remember all the significant contributions 
> that DES has made to the history of FreeBSD and the good of freely 
> available OSes around the world, and how many will remember him for 
> precisely the sort of thing that got this whole thread started?
> 
> 	Of the people who remember him each way, how many other people 
> will they pass on that memory to?  How far will those passed on 
> memories keeping getting passed on?
> 
> 
> 	Myself, I'd like very much to remember DES as a key contributor 
> to what is still (for the moment, anyway) my favourite server OS, and 
> I would hope that one day I might actually eliminate enough of my 
> ignorance that I could possibly be capable of comprehending some of 
> the stuff that he might have to share.
> 
> 	However, at the moment, this seems rather unlikely.
> 
> > Having a sense of humor will certainly help.
> 
> 	It's very hard to recognize humour when it's so well camoflaged as vitriol.
> 
> -- 
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> 
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On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Peter McGarvey wrote:

> 65MB download.  But excessive if you ask me.
> 
> If anyone is interested Sun is giving away free copies of Star Office on
> CD.  But only in the UK as far as I can tell.

You can get them for about $10 in the US.  Someone at the office just got
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Thus spake Robert Swindells (swindellsr@genrad.co.uk):

> >under Linux emulation. (linux_base from ports tree) as I was before.
> Are you trying to connect to Slashdot ?
> I recently started getting SIGBUS errors on a 2.2.8-STABLE system.

You might want to try
http://forcix.cx/code/nobus.c 

Netscape seems to have problems with SIGBUS.
A friend of mine wrote this (he uses linux), and it seems to help
him.

Alex

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On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Markus Holmberg wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 21, 1999 at 04:25:10PM +0200, Thierry Herbelot wrote:
> > Hello
> > 
> > Just as a data point, my ancient 3.0-Current from around november last
> > year and Netscrap4.50 can read /.
> 
> Maybe I should clarify what I wrote earlier. My browser *doesn't always*
> core dump on Slashdot, I just meant that *when* it happens, it happens on
> Slashdot (and quite frequently) :).
> 
> Also as matt said, it doesn't crash on the same page if the browser was
> restarted immediately after. (But.. much on Slashdot is dynamic, it's a
> long shot, but the code could change between the crash and restart :P)

	When this has happened to me I've always been able to track it
down to poorly written javascript. If y'all haven't already, I'd try
disabling that and see if it helps.

good luck,

Doug
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On Tue, Sep 21, 1999 at 11:43:33AM -0700, a little birdie told me
that Doug remarked
> 
> 	When this has happened to me I've always been able to track it
> down to poorly written javascript. If y'all haven't already, I'd try
> disabling that and see if it helps.

I often have Javascript disabled, but it still dies.
Often, it sig10's when I close one window of it.  Or when I load up a
page (even simple HTML-only pages).  I haven't been able to establish any
pattern of when it toasts itself (except 'whenever I have a few good
pages up that I haven't bookmark'd yet').

FWIW, on RELENG_2_2, Netscape 4.0x would die a lot, but 4.5 would keep
chugging along for months with no problems (tho it used more memory and
felt a bit slower).  Now, (on -CURRENT), 4.5, 4.6[1], etc, all die
regularly (2-5 days, generally).




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OK, this is what I am looking at doing..
the easiest way to describe this is with
a picture...

------------     -----------   dial 
|          |---->|         |---------> ISP 
|  Alpha   |     |  X86    |  up ppp
|----------|     |---------| 
     
I have a crossover cable that I plan on useing to network the two systems together and I was 
wondering where I would look for the instructions 
on how to set up the networking between the two 
boxes. I know I need to use ppp -alias (my isp) 
for the dialing out.

Any pointers greatly appreciated.

William

PS. I REALLY tried to get the formating correct,
but I am useing a web based mail program.

William
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If you use the ppp -auto -alias (isp) option you can setup dialup on
demand in this scenario. Or just the -alias will work. You can setup your
two machines with dummy ip address such as 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 and set
the x86 box up as a gateway. This option is under /etc/rc.conf
gateway_enable="YES"

Also you will need to put the ip address of the x86 machine as the default
router on the alpha box.

Then just connect up.  I have this kind of setup at home but I prefer to
use a small hub rather than a crossover cable incase I need to connect
more machines.

On 21 Sep 1999 wwoods@cybcon.com wrote:

> OK, this is what I am looking at doing..
> the easiest way to describe this is with
> a picture...
> 
> ------------     -----------   dial 
> |          |---->|         |---------> ISP 
> |  Alpha   |     |  X86    |  up ppp
> |----------|     |---------| 
>      
> I have a crossover cable that I plan on useing to network the two systems together and I was 
> wondering where I would look for the instructions 
> on how to set up the networking between the two 
> boxes. I know I need to use ppp -alias (my isp) 
> for the dialing out.
> 
> Any pointers greatly appreciated.
> 
> William
> 
> PS. I REALLY tried to get the formating correct,
> but I am useing a web based mail program.
> 
> William
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I thought that doing
chmod +t dir
should set the sticky bit on the directory.   At least this seems
to follow from the man page for chmod).   chmod +t dir does the 
expected thing on a solaris machine.    On a freebsd machine, 
chmod a+t dir works fine.   Is it a bug, or a wrong manpage, or 
am I missing something?

The system is 3.3-STABLE.
	
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As I recall, Brooks Davis wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Peter McGarvey wrote:
> > 65MB download.  But excessive if you ask me.

Really?  For an office suite with more functionality than Micro$oft
Office (which takes something like 300 megabytes)?

> > If anyone is interested Sun is giving away free copies of Star Office on
> > CD.  But only in the UK as far as I can tell.
> 
> You can get them for about $10 in the US.  Someone at the office just got
> his.

They're $9.95 (plus S&H) for a CD with binaries for OS/2, Windows,
Solaris SPARC, Solaris x86 and Linux.  There's also a boatload of
fonts, both Adobe and TrueType.

I bought two copies (one for office, one for home) from the web site
(www.sun.com/staroffice).  They arrived in about 5 days and cost a
total of $28.

Coming soon for $39.95 is a CD with same binaries, but with
"extensive documentation" as well.

	-crl
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At 03:42 PM 9/21/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Has anyone run across problems using an Abit BP6 on -STABLE?
>
>Was nice of Abit to give FreeBSD a mention in the motherboard manual.
>

I ran -stable on my BP6 for a short while, now it's running -current.  No
problems to speak of with either branch, although I'm awaiting a driver for
the HighPoint controller (status on this, anyone? anyone?).

Also, isn't it a nice change to see FreeBSD listed _before_ Linux in the
BP6 manual!


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As I recall, wwoods@cybcon.com wrote:
> OK, this is what I am looking at doing..
> the easiest way to describe this is with
> a picture...
> 
> ------------     -----------   dial 
> |          |---->|         |---------> ISP 
> |  Alpha   |     |  X86    |  up ppp
> |----------|     |---------| 
>      
> I have a crossover cable that I plan on useing to network the two
> systems together and I was wondering where I would look for the
> instructions on how to set up the networking between the two boxes.  I
> know I need to use ppp -alias (my isp) for the dialing out.
> 
> Any pointers greatly appreciated.
> 
> William

Look in the tutorials section.  There's something called the
"Pendantic PPP tutorial" that tells in excrutiating detail how to
do exactly what you're asking.

On a 3.2 system, it's in /usr/doc/en/tutorials/ppp (from memory,
don't quote me).

Or try "locate tutorial | grep ppp", perhaps.

	-crl
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In article <14309.10798.282300.336412@trooper.velocet.ca>,
David Gilbert  <dgilbert@velocet.ca> wrote:
> 
> [1:14:314]root@sabre:/u/3.3-release/usr> cvs -R -d anoncvs@anoncvs.FreeBSD.org:/cvs co -P -r RELENG_3_3_0_RELEASE src
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It's a bug in remote CVS.  The new tag must be added manually to the
val-tags file on the server.

Jordan, maybe you should add this to your list of things to be done
at release time.  It gets us every time.

John
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On Tue, Sep 21, 1999 at 01:42:55PM -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote:
> As I recall, Brooks Davis wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Peter McGarvey wrote:
> > > 65MB download.  But excessive if you ask me.
> 
> Really?  For an office suite with more functionality than Micro$oft
> Office (which takes something like 300 megabytes)?
> 
> > > If anyone is interested Sun is giving away free copies of Star Office on
> > > CD.  But only in the UK as far as I can tell.
> > 
> > You can get them for about $10 in the US.  Someone at the office just got
> > his.
> 
> They're $9.95 (plus S&H) for a CD with binaries for OS/2, Windows,
> Solaris SPARC, Solaris x86 and Linux.  There's also a boatload of
> fonts, both Adobe and TrueType.

Any ideas why StarOffice appears to ignore any Truetype fonts installed
under X?

Joe
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I'm running the Linux version of Netscape 4.61 using the linux_base 5.2
package. Since I upgraded my system to 3.3-STABLE I'm seeing dns delays when
trying to connect to any sites. I didn't see this under 3.2-STABLE or
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Saw this on -emulation. Since Marcel mentions that it also affects -stable
it seemed sensible to forward:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:47:00 +0200
From: Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@scc.nl>
To: emulation@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: linux_kdump port update

Hi,

Recent changes in the way ktrace data is written caused the linux_kdump
port to display the arguments improperly. The linux_kdump port has been
updated. The corresponding package has been given a version bump and now
has version 1.3. This applies to both -current and -stable users.

FYI,

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On 21 Sep 1999 vladimir@math.uic.edu wrote:

> 
> I thought that doing
> chmod +t dir
> should set the sticky bit on the directory.   At least this seems
> to follow from the man page for chmod).   chmod +t dir does the 
> expected thing on a solaris machine.    On a freebsd machine, 
> chmod a+t dir works fine.   Is it a bug, or a wrong manpage, or 
> am I missing something?

	It looks like a bug to me. Please send in a PR for it.

Thanks,

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On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Jeremy L. Stock wrote:

I found the problem it was a misconfigured /etc/hosts file. 

Sorry to have bothered the list.

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On Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 03:16:40PM -0700, Kip Macy wrote:
> Is kern.maxfiles the total number of files that can be open on the system
> at one time? If so it seems very silly that by default it is the same
> number as kern.maxfilesperproc -- meaning that any process can use up the
> total number of files available to the system.

I asked -hackers the exact same question a month or so ago, and
received the same answer -- "use login.conf".  I didn't like the 
answer, because I think that no single process should ever have
control of all possible open files, and login.conf is not a
sensible place for changing a bad default behavior.  There should
always be some left over for other processes, so that vital
activities like logging and root logins can occur.

The subject was dropped and I modified my boxes so that
kern.maxfiles > kern.maxfilesperproc.

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Thanks. Although having maxfiles == maxfilesperproc might make sense for
special cases e.g. a machine completely dedicated to one process -- It is
dangerous at best for the general case. Any malicious program can make a
machine running FreeBSD non-functional. The default should be set with the
average user in mind, namely protecting him from himself. 


					-Kip


On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Gregory Sutter wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 19, 1999 at 03:16:40PM -0700, Kip Macy wrote:
> > Is kern.maxfiles the total number of files that can be open on the system
> > at one time? If so it seems very silly that by default it is the same
> > number as kern.maxfilesperproc -- meaning that any process can use up the
> > total number of files available to the system.
> 
> I asked -hackers the exact same question a month or so ago, and
> received the same answer -- "use login.conf".  I didn't like the 
> answer, because I think that no single process should ever have
> control of all possible open files, and login.conf is not a
> sensible place for changing a bad default behavior.  There should
> always be some left over for other processes, so that vital
> activities like logging and root logins can occur.
> 
> The subject was dropped and I modified my boxes so that
> kern.maxfiles > kern.maxfilesperproc.
> 
> Greg
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At 04:23 PM 9/21/99 , Kip Macy wrote:
>Thanks. Although having maxfiles == maxfilesperproc might make sense for
>special cases e.g. a machine completely dedicated to one process -- It is
>dangerous at best for the general case. Any malicious program can make a
>machine running FreeBSD non-functional. The default should be set with the
>average user in mind, namely protecting him from himself.
>
>
>                                         -Kip


But adjusting maxfilesperproc > maxfiles won't protect you from a malicious 
process or user any more than having maxfilesperproc == maxfiles.  Just 
fork() or run two (or more) processes that open all the file handles.  Same 
result, right?

-Bryan


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On Tue, Sep 21, 1999 at 04:23:19PM -0700, Kip Macy wrote:
> Thanks. Although having maxfiles == maxfilesperproc might make sense for
> special cases e.g. a machine completely dedicated to one process -- It is
> dangerous at best for the general case. Any malicious program can make a
> machine running FreeBSD non-functional. The default should be set with the
> average user in mind, namely protecting him from himself. 

Agreed, although this protects not just the average user but also 
everyone who doesn't want to fool with login.conf or reset their
sysctls or change their source, just to change a poorly-thought-
out default.  

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> Thanks. Although having maxfiles == maxfilesperproc might make sense for
> special cases e.g. a machine completely dedicated to one process -- It is
> dangerous at best for the general case. Any malicious program can make a
> machine running FreeBSD non-functional. The default should be set with the
> average user in mind, namely protecting him from himself.
>
>
> 					-Kip

	These settings have nothing to do with protecting anything from anything
else. That's not what they're for. So your argument is interesting but
irrelevant.

	DS



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You are correct -- what one really needs is a per user limit on files -- 
there may already be something to that effect, although I do not know of
it.

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Bryan Talbot wrote:

> At 04:23 PM 9/21/99 , Kip Macy wrote:
> >Thanks. Although having maxfiles == maxfilesperproc might make sense for
> >special cases e.g. a machine completely dedicated to one process -- It is
> >dangerous at best for the general case. Any malicious program can make a
> >machine running FreeBSD non-functional. The default should be set with the
> >average user in mind, namely protecting him from himself.
> >
> >
> >                                         -Kip
> 
> 
> But adjusting maxfilesperproc > maxfiles won't protect you from a malicious 
> process or user any more than having maxfilesperproc == maxfiles.  Just 
> fork() or run two (or more) processes that open all the file handles.  Same 
> result, right?
> 
> -Bryan
> 
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Obviously not from the default settings. 
Typically limits are in place to protect something from something. This,
however, may be an exception.

					-Kip

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, David Schwartz wrote:

> > Thanks. Although having maxfiles == maxfilesperproc might make sense for
> > special cases e.g. a machine completely dedicated to one process -- It is
> > dangerous at best for the general case. Any malicious program can make a
> > machine running FreeBSD non-functional. The default should be set with the
> > average user in mind, namely protecting him from himself.
> >
> >
> > 					-Kip
> 
> 	These settings have nothing to do with protecting anything from anything
> else. That's not what they're for. So your argument is interesting but
> irrelevant.
> 
> 	DS
> 
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On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Kip Macy wrote:

> Thanks. Although having maxfiles == maxfilesperproc might make sense for
> special cases e.g. a machine completely dedicated to one process -- It is
> dangerous at best for the general case. Any malicious program can make a
> machine running FreeBSD non-functional. The default should be set with the
> average user in mind, namely protecting him from himself. 
> 
> 
> 					-Kip

  Except login.conf can do this too.

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On Tue, Sep 21, 1999 at 03:41:00PM +0200, Markus Holmberg wrote:

> Same here.
> 
> This started happening to my 3.2-STABLE + Netscape Communicator 4.6
> (FreeBSD native) recently too.
> 
> Frequently core-dumping with SIGBUS (always on Slashdot).. This never
> used to happen before..


I tried the slashdot site with netscape navigator/communicator 4.6 on
my 3.3-stable system and it also core-dumped. It seems to be javascript 
related because it only occurs when javascript is enabled.

An update to version 4.61 of navigator/communicator solved these problems 
for me.

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On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Kip Macy wrote:

> You are correct -- what one really needs is a per user limit on files -- 
> there may already be something to that effect, although I do not know of
> it.

	That's because you completely disregarded all of the explanations
for the current behavior that were offered to you in -hackers, and you
apparently never even looked at login.conf which does allow you to limit
the number of processes and number of files per process on a per user
basis. 

	Now please drop this ridiculous thread.

Thanks,

Doug

> On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Bryan Talbot wrote:
> 
> > At 04:23 PM 9/21/99 , Kip Macy wrote:
> > >Thanks. Although having maxfiles == maxfilesperproc might make sense for
> > >special cases e.g. a machine completely dedicated to one process -- It is
> > >dangerous at best for the general case. Any malicious program can make a
> > >machine running FreeBSD non-functional. The default should be set with the
> > >average user in mind, namely protecting him from himself.
> > >
> > >
> > >                                         -Kip
> > 
> > 
> > But adjusting maxfilesperproc > maxfiles won't protect you from a malicious 
> > process or user any more than having maxfilesperproc == maxfiles.  Just 
> > fork() or run two (or more) processes that open all the file handles.  Same 
> > result, right?
> > 
> > -Bryan
> > 
> > 
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Welcome to the next of my "it seems like the answer would be so simple"
questions...

Is there a way to get the system to re-read /etc/rc.conf without a
shutdown/reboot?

Thanks!!!
--John


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All - my apologies... this question-mail was meant to be sent to
freebsd-questions... not -stable.  Sorry for the error.  

--John

****************

Welcome to the next of my "it seems like the answer would be so simple"
questions...

Is there a way to get the system to re-read /etc/rc.conf without a
shutdown/reboot?

Thanks!!!
--John 


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On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Greg Lewis wrote:

> > Actually, there is one other option, I used it. Compile a single CPU kernel,
> > install StarOffice , then compile you SMP kernel and use StarOffice...

> Ahh, so it only tries the forking during install then.  I wasn't aware of

Doesn't work for me.  It installed fine under kernel.GENERIC but I now get
the 

shared address space fork attempted: pid: 314

error when running it.

Can someone point me to Luoqi's patches?


Thanks,

Carl.





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A couple of weeks ago it was mentioned on this list that the CODA
filesystem was not safe for SMP machines.

Is this actually the case?  Is this likely to change?


Carl.




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From owner-freebsd-stable  Tue Sep 21 20:14:36 1999
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You are, as is so often the case, correct. The way you phrase your
responses sometimes blinds me, and evidently others, to the complete
circumstances.


				-Kip


On 21 Sep 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote:

> Kip Macy <kip@lyris.com> writes:
> > This is in no way a rant against FreeBSD, but rather a rant against the
> > attitude that one needs to know about OS internals to run a lightweight
> > server.
> 
> Calling what he did to that box "running a lightweight server" is a
> very very wide stretch of imagination. I haven't seen his CLONE
> program and therefore can't speak with 100% assurance, but I've run
> similar experiments against my own servers, so I think I'm entitled to
> make an educated guess about the behaviour of CLONE. It simulates a
> worst-case scenario for an IRC server: open hundreds of connections,
> log on, join a channel, but don't consume the data the server sends.
> This fills up the server's send queues and exhausts its mbuf pool.
> Memory consumption is a quadratic function of the number of clones
> (linear if you just connect without joining a channel).
> 
> The worst thing about CLONE is that it's neither a realistic
> simulation of normal everyday IRC traffic (because real IRC clients
> consume data almost as soon as it is sent, and therefore do not fill
> up the server's send queues), nor of a typical attack against an IRC
> server (because a properly-configured IRC server does not allow a
> large number of connections from the same host, nor does it allow the
> send queues to fill up, and is therefore practically immune to this
> kind of attack).
> 
> This is what mbuf usage looks like on a real-world IRC server with
> 1800 clients:
> 
> root@irc ~# netstat -m
> 2859/9376 mbufs in use:
>         947 mbufs allocated to data
>         1912 mbufs allocated to packet headers
> 180/2466/8192 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max)
> 6104 Kbytes allocated to network (11% in use)
> 0 requests for memory denied
> 0 requests for memory delayed
> 0 calls to protocol drain routines
> 
> DES
> -- 
> Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no
> 
> 
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Tue Sep 21 21:13: 4 1999
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Hello!

I'm trying to setup my dual interface machine to act as an ftp proxy for
my home LAN.

The machine has two interfaces: ep0 (10.10.0.2/28) and ep1 (connected to
the cable-modem, with DHCP-obtained settings).

It   is   a  real   shame,   this   part   is  so   poorly   documented,
but   I   did    find   the   /usr/src/contrib/ipfilter/rules/ftp-proxy,
which    was    a    little    cryptic,   but    combining    it    with
http://www.dvl-software.com/freebsd/natrules.htm     I     setup     the
/etc/natrules as follows:

	map ep1 0/0 -> 0.0.0.0/32 proxy port ftp ftp/tcp

Ftp-ing to  the server  goes fine,  I can  log in.  But whenever  a data
connection is attempted -- say, for ``ls'', the nat-machine panics.

The panics are  different depending on whether the ftp-client  is on the
same machine or on some other machine on the LAN.

Actually, as I just found out, it can crash anytime after the rule above
is loaded -- I guess, any incoming attempt can trigger it :(

I'm rebuilding  the kernel  without the  omit-frame-pointer now,  to get
meaningful information from  the panic screen. But if you  know what I'm
doing wrong -- just tell me now :)

Thanks,

	-mi


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Tue Sep 21 21:20:52 1999
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hi, there!

On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Tom Embt wrote:

> I ran -stable on my BP6 for a short while, now it's running -current.  No
> problems to speak of with either branch, although I'm awaiting a driver for
> the HighPoint controller (status on this, anyone? anyone?).
> 
> Also, isn't it a nice change to see FreeBSD listed _before_ Linux in the
> BP6 manual!

Is that list alphabetically sorted? :)

/fjoe



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From owner-freebsd-stable  Tue Sep 21 22: 0:31 1999
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Not to reopen this issue, but I just did a make release today (3.3-RELEASE).
Not only did it copy all of my /usr/ports/distfiles (1.7GB) into
${CHROOTDIR}/usr/ports/distfiles, but it also copied them into
${CHROOTDIR}/R/ftp/ports as a tarball, AND also in
${CHROOTDIR}/R/cdrom/disc1/ports as a tarball.

(it didn't download them though, it just copied what was there)

Now, on one hand this makes sense for it to do this but on the other it
doesn't, who's heard of a cdrom with a 1.7gb tarball on it? (granted it's
not possible).

So, here is my question, is there some way to make a release without all the
distfiles?  I don't want to define NOPORTS because I wanted the ports dir
tree and I want to be able to make the documents, but I don't see anywhere
in the Makefile where it's possible to tell it not to copy the distfiles
over.

Thanks,
Chris



----- Original Message -----
From: Claude Buisson <ubc@paris.framatome.fr>
To: Marius Strom <marius@alpha1.net>
Cc: Alex Povolotsky <tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru>; <stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: make release grabbig all ports?


>
>
> On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Marius Strom wrote:
>
> > If I'm not mistaken, make release is designed for building just that --
a
> > release.  It will download all things you would need to build disk
images
> > of FreeBSD.
> >
> > (If you already knew this -- sorry =])  You may be wanting to look into
> > make buildworld && make installworld.
>
> No, at least with:
>
> $FreeBSD: src/release/Makefile,v 1.460.2.27 1999/09/07 20:51:36 jkh Exp $
>
> make release build the equivalent of the 1st CD, which does not
> contain distfiles
>
>
> >
> > --
> > Marius Strom <marius@alpha1.net>
> > Professional Geek/Unix System Administrator
> > Alpha1 Internet <http://www.alpha1.net>
> > http://www.marius.org/marius.pgp 0x5645C228
> >
> > In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...
> > ...In practice, there is a big difference.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Alex Povolotsky wrote:
> >
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > I've just noticed that make release has used an incredible amount of
> > > diskspace (over 5Gbs). Investigating the case, I've found that
> > > ${CHROOTDIR}/usr/ports/distfiles contains _ALL_ distfiles found in my
> > > /usr/ports/distfiles.
> > >
> > > How could it be and how do I turn it off without turning off making
> > > the ports tree?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> Claude Buisson
>
>
>
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> It's a bug in remote CVS.  The new tag must be added manually to the
> val-tags file on the server.
> 
> Jordan, maybe you should add this to your list of things to be done
> at release time.  It gets us every time.

OK, this is the first I've really heard of a val-tags list. :)

- Jordan


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Hi all,

I have noticed that the entries for the "swat" utility have not been added
to the /etc/services nor the /etc/inetd.conf.

Entries such as:
in "/etc/services"
-----------8<-------------
accessbuilder   888/udp
swat            901/tcp                 # Samba - Admin
telnets         992/tcp
-----------8<-------------

& in "/etc/inetd.conf"
-----------8<-------------
#netbios-ssn stream tcp nowait root /usr/local/sbin/smbd smbd
#netbios-ns dgram udp wait root /usr/local/sbin/nmbd nmbd
# Samba - Admin
#swat stream tcp nowait.400 root /usr/local/samba/bin/swat swat
-----------8<-------------

I would like these entries to appear in an installed release, instead of
having to add them every time. A small request .... but every little bit
helps.


Greg




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Hi, 

we're experiencing panics on 3.3-stable as of 21st of September, 
which looks alike the ones, which were happening with 3.[12] versions. 


panicstr: vm_fault: fault on nofault entry, addr: cdf6f000
panic messages:
---
panic: vm_fault: fault on nofault entry, addr: cdf6f000
mp_lock = 01000002; cpuid = 1; lapic.id = 00000000
boot() called on cpu#1

syncing disks... 31 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 giving up

dumping to dev 20401, offset 1691306
dump 512 ...
---
#0  boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285
285                     dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3();
(kgdb) where
#0  boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285
#1  0xc013eee5 in panic (
    fmt=0xc0212416 "vm_fault: fault on nofault entry, addr: %lx")
    at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:446
#2  0xc01cb9da in vm_fault (map=0xc024b65c, vaddr=3455512576,
    fault_type=1 '\001', fault_flags=0) at ../../vm/vm_fault.c:232
#3  0xc01f7178 in trap_pfault (frame=0xd2dd79dc, usermode=0, eva=3455515023)
    at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:824
#4  0xc01f6e2a in trap (frame={tf_es = 16, tf_ds = -1020919792,
      tf_edi = 39307, tf_esi = -1020881664, tf_ebp = -757237092,
      tf_isp = -757237244, tf_ebx = -839452277, tf_edx = -847851736,
      tf_ecx = 8191, tf_eax = 227723, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 0,
      tf_eip = -1071888861, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 66182, tf_esp = -752403456,
      tf_ss = -757236296}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:437
#5  0xc01c4623 in ufs_lookup (ap=0xd2dd7ad8) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_lookup.c:238
#6  0xc01c94d1 in ufs_vnoperate (ap=0xd2dd7ad8)
    at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2299
#7  0xc015dfd0 in vfs_cache_lookup (ap=0xd2dd7b34) at vnode_if.h:55
#8  0xc01c94d1 in ufs_vnoperate (ap=0xd2dd7b34)
    at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2299
#9  0xc0160475 in lookup (ndp=0xd2dd7d94) at vnode_if.h:31
#10 0xc01a05b1 in nfs_namei (ndp=0xd2dd7d94, fhp=0xd2dd7d0c, len=2,
    slp=0xc2fa5e00, nam=0xc3c1ae30, mdp=0xd2dd7c48, dposp=0xd2dd7c44,
    retdirp=0xd2dd7c2c, p=0xd2d7af40, kerbflag=0, pubflag=0)
    at ../../nfs/nfs_subs.c:1662
#11 0xc018926b in nfsrv_lookup (nfsd=0xc35dbb00, slp=0xc2fa5e00,
    procp=0xd2d7af40, mrq=0xd2dd7e34) at ../../nfs/nfs_serv.c:476
#12 0xc01a205a in nfssvc_nfsd (nsd=0xd2dd7e94, argp=0x8071f04cannot read proc at 0
)
    at ../../nfs/nfs_syscalls.c:656
#13 0xc01a1975 in nfssvc (p=0xd2d7af40, uap=0xd2dd7f94)
    at ../../nfs/nfs_syscalls.c:342
#14 0xc01f77cb in syscall (frame={tf_es = 39, tf_ds = 39, tf_edi = 16,
      tf_esi = 0, tf_ebp = -1077944892, tf_isp = -757235740, tf_ebx = 0,
      tf_edx = -1077945288, tf_ecx = 0, tf_eax = 155, tf_trapno = 12,
      tf_err = 2, tf_eip = 134518972, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 642,
      tf_esp = -1077945280, tf_ss = 39}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1100
#15 0xc01e6e3c in Xint0x80_syscall ()
cannot read proc at 0
-- 
-mishania


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I originally had this problem using the ipnat that came with the FreeBSD
kernel. Upgrade to 3.3.1+ and the problem will stop.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mikhail Teterin <mi@aldan.algebra.com>
To: <stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 10:12 PM
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> Hello!
>
> I'm trying to setup my dual interface machine to act as an ftp proxy
for
> my home LAN.
>
> The machine has two interfaces: ep0 (10.10.0.2/28) and ep1 (connected
to
> the cable-modem, with DHCP-obtained settings).
>
> It   is   a  real   shame,   this   part   is  so   poorly
documented,
> but   I   did    find   the
/usr/src/contrib/ipfilter/rules/ftp-proxy,
> which    was    a    little    cryptic,   but    combining    it
with
> http://www.dvl-software.com/freebsd/natrules.htm     I     setup
the
> /etc/natrules as follows:
>
> map ep1 0/0 -> 0.0.0.0/32 proxy port ftp ftp/tcp
>
> Ftp-ing to  the server  goes fine,  I can  log in.  But whenever  a
data
> connection is attempted -- say, for ``ls'', the nat-machine panics.
>
> The panics are  different depending on whether the ftp-client  is on
the
> same machine or on some other machine on the LAN.
>
> Actually, as I just found out, it can crash anytime after the rule
above
> is loaded -- I guess, any incoming attempt can trigger it :(
>
> I'm rebuilding  the kernel  without the  omit-frame-pointer now,  to
get
> meaningful information from  the panic screen. But if you  know what
I'm
> doing wrong -- just tell me now :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> -mi
>
>
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Wed Sep 22  8:33:17 1999
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To: C J Michaels <cjm2@earthling.net>
Cc: Claude Buisson <ubc@paris.framatome.fr>,
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Today C J Michaels wrote:

> So, here is my question, is there some way to make a release without all the
> distfiles?

RTFMakefile
# Set this to wherever the distfiles required by ${DOCPORTS} live.
DISTFILES?= ${.CURDIR}/../../ports/distfiles

and put the required tarballs into a different directory.

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Wed Sep 22  8:36:39 1999
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Subject: strptime bug?
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I have a number of dates in YYYYMMDD format (eg 19990922), and am
using strptime to parse them, but it's not working:


#include <stdio.h>
#include <time.h>

int main(int argc, char * argv[]) {
    struct tm t;
    char * foo;
    foo = strptime("19991023", "%Y%m %d", &t);
    if (foo == NULL)
        printf("foo is NULL!\n");
    else
        printf("foo: '%s'\n", foo);
    printf("tm.tm_year: %d tm.tm_month: %d tm.tm_mday: %d\n", t.tm_year, t.tm_mon, t.tm_mday);
    return 0;
}


this prints out:
0922 11:17 chronis:libc/stdtime# /tmp/t
foo: ''
tm.tm_year: 19989123 tm.tm_month: 671465728 tm.tm_mday: -1077945476
0922 11:17 chronis:libc/stdtime#

(BTW)
0922 11:34 chronis:login/pay% uname -a
FreeBSD chronis.pobox.com 3.3-STABLE FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE #0: Mon Sep 20
09:58:31 EDT 1999 root@chronis.pobox.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/MYBSD  i386

So I took a closer look at the code for strptime in
/usr/src/lib/libc/stdtime/strptime.c and found what appears to be the
problem.  Below is a snippit from when the code evaluates a format for
year ('%y') (or year including century '%Y').


		case 'y':
			if (*buf == 0 || isspace((unsigned char)*buf))
				break;

			if (!isdigit((unsigned char)*buf))
				return 0;

			for (i = 0; *buf != 0 && isdigit((unsigned char)*buf); buf++) {
				i *= 10;
				i += *buf - '0';
			}
			if (c == 'Y')
				i -= 1900;
			if (c == 'y' && i < 69)
				i += 100;
			if (i < 0)
				return 0;

			tm->tm_year = i;

			if (*buf != 0 && isspace((unsigned char)*buf))
				while (*ptr != 0 && !isspace((unsigned char)*ptr))
					ptr++;
			break;

The problem appears to be that the for (1 = 0... loop isn't terminated
after the maximum of 4 digits.  While one may argue that years can be
 > 9999, I think it's safe to say all this will change before that
becomes relevant.  Additionally, the check for month ('%m'), isn't
bounded at 2 digits, and there should never be more than 12 months.

In my opinion, these checks against a maximum number of digits should
be done.  If there's a consensus on this, I'll post a patch for the
maintainers, otherwise, I'll either have to learn to live with this
deficiency, or patch my own systems.

Apologies if this has been discussed before, a quick search of the
archives didn't turn up anything directly relevant.


scott



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From owner-freebsd-stable  Wed Sep 22  9:33:26 1999
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Perhaps this would be better suited to -emulation or -ports, but I'll try
here first.

I connect to my FreeBSD system using an X emulator on a Windows box which
rexec's an xterm. Since I upgraded from 3.2-Stable to 3.3-RC I am no longer
able to launch an Acrobat reader (by typing "acroread &" at a prompt, or from
Netscape). Instead, I get this error message:

_X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't get address for sys403.peregrine.com
Error: Can't open display: sys403.peregrine.com:0.0

FreeBSD binaries (xterm, Netscape, cvsup) work ok. Both Acrobat 3.02 and 4.0
give the above error. This leads me to believe it's somehow related to Linux
emulation...

My system is currently:
FreeBSD gluttony.peregrine.com 3.3-RC FreeBSD 3.3-RC #4: Thu Sep 16 16:22:20
PDT 1999     erich@gluttony.peregrine.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GLUTTONY  i386

My XFree86 is 3.3.3.1, and I have linux_base-5.2 installed.

Any clues?

thanks,
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On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:36:33 -0400, scott wrote:

> I have a number of dates in YYYYMMDD format (eg 19990922), and am
> using strptime to parse them, but it's not working:

Could you try the patch on PR 10131 ?

Thanks,
Sheldon.


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Wed Sep 22 10:23:42 1999
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It won't help... the problem is that all the loops that look like this

    for (i = 0; *buf != 0 && isdigit((unsigned char)*buf); buf++)

in strptime.c.

These loops do not terminate whenever the requested format is followed
by a digit in the input buffer.  for example, 

    strptime("199908", "%Y%m", &t) 
      or 
    strptime("199910", "%Y10", &t) 
    
will trigger the problem.

thanks for the pointer to searching the pr's though, didn't know about
that.

scott

On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 06:58:49PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:36:33 -0400, scott wrote:
> 
> > I have a number of dates in YYYYMMDD format (eg 19990922), and am
> > using strptime to parse them, but it's not working:
> 
> Could you try the patch on PR 10131 ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Sheldon.


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Okay, never mind. I reinstalled my linux_base-5.2 port, and all is well.

Eric

Eric Hedstrom alleged:
> 
> Perhaps this would be better suited to -emulation or -ports, but I'll try
> here first.
> 
> I connect to my FreeBSD system using an X emulator on a Windows box which
> rexec's an xterm. Since I upgraded from 3.2-Stable to 3.3-RC I am no longer
> able to launch an Acrobat reader (by typing "acroread &" at a prompt, or from
> Netscape). Instead, I get this error message:
> 
> _X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't get address for sys403.peregrine.com
> Error: Can't open display: sys403.peregrine.com:0.0
> 
> FreeBSD binaries (xterm, Netscape, cvsup) work ok. Both Acrobat 3.02 and 4.0
> give the above error. This leads me to believe it's somehow related to Linux
> emulation...
> 
> My system is currently:
> FreeBSD gluttony.peregrine.com 3.3-RC FreeBSD 3.3-RC #4: Thu Sep 16 16:22:20
> PDT 1999     erich@gluttony.peregrine.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GLUTTONY  i386
> 
> My XFree86 is 3.3.3.1, and I have linux_base-5.2 installed.
> 
> Any clues?
> 
> thanks,
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Hi, All!

  I have P250MMX/64Mb/IDE HDDs.
  It run 3.2-STABLE.
  I build 3.3-STABLE, made installworld, merged /etc (with
  mergemaster's help). Also I build GENERIC kernel and put it to
  /kernel.GENERIC.

  After reboot I've got:
  
  [Many hardware diagnostics skipped]
  change rood device to wd0s3a
  [Pause about 30 seconds]
  .: Out of file descriptors
  Enter full pathname to shell or press ENTER for /bin/sh:

  Ok, I've boot GENERIC kernel and got SAME SCREEN!!!

  What do I do wrong?
  
  
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On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 11:02:12PM +0400, a little birdie told me
that Lev Serebryakov remarked
> 
>   After reboot I've got:
>   
>   [Many hardware diagnostics skipped]
>   change rood device to wd0s3a
>   [Pause about 30 seconds]
>   .: Out of file descriptors
>   Enter full pathname to shell or press ENTER for /bin/sh:
> 
>   Ok, I've boot GENERIC kernel and got SAME SCREEN!!!
> 
>   What do I do wrong?

You copied /etc/defaults/rc.conf to /etc/rc.conf.

Type the following:
# tail -12 /etc/defaults/rc.conf
and understand what it's saying.




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[ On Wednesday, September 22, Lev Serebryakov wrote: ]
> Hi, All!
> 
>   I have P250MMX/64Mb/IDE HDDs.
>   It run 3.2-STABLE.
>   I build 3.3-STABLE, made installworld, merged /etc (with
>   mergemaster's help). Also I build GENERIC kernel and put it to
>   /kernel.GENERIC.
> 
>   After reboot I've got:
>   
>   [Many hardware diagnostics skipped]
>   change rood device to wd0s3a
>   [Pause about 30 seconds]
>   .: Out of file descriptors
>   Enter full pathname to shell or press ENTER for /bin/sh:
> 
>   Ok, I've boot GENERIC kernel and got SAME SCREEN!!!
> 
>   What do I do wrong?
>   

didn't I see something a few weeks (months?) ago on this list regarding about
the same thing--and the cause was a recursive include of /etc/rc.conf ?

Somebody had copied /etc/defaults/rc.conf as /etc/rc.conf and forgot to take
out the code at the bottom that does:

for i in ${rc_conf_files}; do
        if [ -f $i ]; then
                . $i
        fi
done

(i.e. one would recursively include one's rc files until the machine freaked).

Could this be the problem?

-Jr

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For a description of the problem see rest of thread.  I've attached a
patch which is running well on my system, and will send in a PR as
well.

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170c170,171
< 			for (i = 0; *buf != 0 && isdigit((unsigned char)*buf); buf++) {
---
> 			len = 0;
> 			for (i = 0; *buf != 0 && isdigit((unsigned char)*buf) && len < 3; buf++) {
172a174
> 				len++;
187,188c189,190
< 
< 			for (i = 0; *buf != 0 && isdigit((unsigned char)*buf); buf++) {
---
> 			len = 0;
> 			for (i = 0; *buf != 0 && isdigit((unsigned char)*buf) && len < 2; buf++) {
190a193
> 				len++;
211,212c214,215
< 
< 			for (i = 0; *buf != 0 && isdigit((unsigned char)*buf); buf++) {
---
> 			len = 0;
> 			for (i = 0; *buf != 0 && isdigit((unsigned char)*buf) && len < 2; buf++) {
214a218
> 				len++;
278,279c282,283
< 
< 			for (i = 0; *buf != 0 && isdigit((unsigned char)*buf); buf++) {
---
> 			len = 0;
> 			for (i = 0; *buf != 0 && isdigit((unsigned char)*buf) && len < 2; buf++) {
281a286
> 				len++;
319,320c324,325
< 
< 			for (i = 0; *buf != 0 && isdigit((unsigned char)*buf); buf++) {
---
> 			len = 0;
> 			for (i = 0; *buf != 0 && isdigit((unsigned char)*buf) && len < 2; buf++) {
322a328
> 				len++;
341a348
> 			len = 0;
344a352,356
> 				if ((c == 'y' && len >= 1) || (c == 'Y' && len >= 3)) {
> 					buf++;
> 					break;
> 				}
> 				len++;

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Hello!

As far as I understand, current IP filter is 3.2.10 stable and 3.3.1
beta. 

In FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE, as far as I understand again, if included IP
Filter 3.2.7, which is kinda obsolete.

Whom should I ask about incorporating of 3.2.10? What are known
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On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:14:30 MST, John Reynolds~ wrote:

> didn't I see something a few weeks (months?) ago on this list
> regarding about the same thing--and the cause was a recursive include
> of /etc/rc.conf ?

Yes. While it _is_ pilot error, we could do a little more to protect
folks against this common mistake.

I'd love feedback on whether the following works "out in the field". I
haven't tested it too thoroughly.

Ciao,
Sheldon.

Index: rc.conf
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/etc/defaults/rc.conf,v
retrieving revision 1.37
diff -u -d -2 -r1.37 rc.conf
--- rc.conf	1999/09/22 06:31:32	1.37
+++ rc.conf	1999/09/22 09:59:45
@@ -8,4 +8,9 @@
 # spamming your local configuration information.
 #
+# A common mistake is to copy the contents of this file into one of the
+# ${rc_conf_files} files (e.g. /etc/rc.conf). That does not work, because
+# this file ends up recursing on itself. The ${rc_conf_files} files should
+# only contain values which override values set in this file.
+#
 # All arguments must be in double or single quotes.
 #
@@ -233,8 +238,17 @@
 #
 
+rc_conf_files_done=${rc_conf_files_done:-:}
 for i in ${rc_conf_files}; do
-	if [ -f $i ]; then
-        	. $i
-	fi
+	case ${rc_conf_files_done} in
+	*:${i}:*)
+		echo WARNING: ${i} recurses on itself.
+		echo Read the comments at the top of the /etc/defaults/rc.conf file.
+		;;
+	*)
+		rc_conf_files_done="${rc_conf_files_done}${i}:"
+		if [ -r "${i}" ]; then
+			. ${i}
+		fi
+		;;
+	esac
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On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Greg Quinlan wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have noticed that the entries for the "swat" utility have not been added
> to the /etc/services nor the /etc/inetd.conf.

	There are a LOT of things missing from /etc/services. 

> Entries such as:
> in "/etc/services"
> -----------8<-------------
> accessbuilder   888/udp

	This is the IANA assigned number for this service, so this looks
good. 

> swat            901/tcp                 # Samba - Admin

	IANA lists this as unassigned, therefore at best the port should
contain a script to patch your /etc/services file. Otherwise I would say
that it should continue to be something that you do yourself. 

> telnets         992/tcp
> -----------8<-------------

	Same as accessbuilder above. 

> & in "/etc/inetd.conf"
> -----------8<-------------
> #netbios-ssn stream tcp nowait root /usr/local/sbin/smbd smbd
> #netbios-ns dgram udp wait root /usr/local/sbin/nmbd nmbd
> # Samba - Admin
> #swat stream tcp nowait.400 root /usr/local/samba/bin/swat swat
> -----------8<-------------
> 
> I would like these entries to appear in an installed release, instead of
> having to add them every time. A small request .... but every little bit
> helps.

	There is already enough spammage in /etc/inetd.conf, so I'm not
sure how your request would be received. However, I don't have any say in
the matter so you're in luck. In any case, your request will get more
attention if it's sent in a PR with patches. 

Good luck,

Doug
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to have as many women you got.' I looked at my mother dear and didn't even
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On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Alex Povolotsky wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> As far as I understand, current IP filter is 3.2.10 stable and 3.3.1
> beta. 
>

Current IP filter is 3.3.2 
 
> In FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE, as far as I understand again, if included IP
> Filter 3.2.7, which is kinda obsolete.
> 
> Whom should I ask about incorporating of 3.2.10? What are known
> problems?
>

In the IP filter maillist I saw a couple of weeks ago someone that will do
this for 3.3-Stable, I don't recall the name.
 
> -- 
> Alexander B. Povolotsky                            [ICQ 18277558]
> [2:5020/145]  [http://freebsd.svib.ru] [tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru]
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On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Alex Povolotsky wrote:

> Whom should I ask about incorporating of 3.2.10? What are known
> problems?
 
The author, darren reed, who has commit privileges for the intended
purpose of (among possibly other things) keeping ipfilter up to date :-)

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On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Kris Kennaway wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Alex Povolotsky wrote:
> 
> > Whom should I ask about incorporating of 3.2.10? What are known
> > problems?
>  
> The author, darren reed, who has commit privileges for the intended
> purpose of (among possibly other things) keeping ipfilter up to date :-)
> 
> Kris
> 

So, we better ask this in ipfilter mailing list at
ipfilter@coombs.anu.edu.au no?

> 
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	Hello.

	After moving to 3-STABLE from 2.2 branch my crond statred sending me
	mails like that one below. All cron jobs get done OK, but this crond
	error exists.

	I coudn't establish any dependence of this error to any other system
	events - sometimes it start to occur just after booting, sometimes -
	couple of hours later... And it disappears without any system
	too...

	I didn't write to the list immediately after upgrading because I
	thought the error would be eliminated in future versions... But it
	didn't disappear even now (STABLE of week ago), so I ask for your
	help.

	Thank you.

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CRON in malloc(): warning: pointer to wrong page.

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On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 12:14:30 MST, John Reynolds~ wrote:
> 
> > didn't I see something a few weeks (months?) ago on this list
> > regarding about the same thing--and the cause was a recursive include
> > of /etc/rc.conf ?
> 
> Yes. While it _is_ pilot error, we could do a little more to protect
> folks against this common mistake.
> 
> I'd love feedback on whether the following works "out in the field". I
> haven't tested it too thoroughly.

	DON'T do this. As I told you when I sent you this code snippet it
causes a lot of problems. Namely, numerous places in the rc files where
/etc/defaults/rc.conf gets re-source'd, causing the code below to not look
at your overrides again. There are a couple of other problems, but that's
the biggest one. This problem is solvable, but it will require some
reexamination of how the default and overrides files are sourced. 

> +rc_conf_files_done=${rc_conf_files_done:-:}
>  for i in ${rc_conf_files}; do
> -	if [ -f $i ]; then
> -        	. $i
> -	fi
> +	case ${rc_conf_files_done} in
> +	*:${i}:*)
> +		echo WARNING: ${i} recurses on itself.
> +		echo Read the comments at the top of the /etc/defaults/rc.conf file.
> +		;;
> +	*)
> +		rc_conf_files_done="${rc_conf_files_done}${i}:"
> +		if [ -r "${i}" ]; then
> +			. ${i}
> +		fi
> +		;;
> +	esac
>  done


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On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:04:05 MST, Doug wrote:

> DON'T do this. As I told you when I sent you this code snippet it
> causes a lot of problems.

I've had a look at your mail. It wasn't as strongly worded as this one,
but yeah, you're right. :-)

Ciao,
Sheldon.


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On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote:

> 
> 
> On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 15:04:05 MST, Doug wrote:
> 
> > DON'T do this. As I told you when I sent you this code snippet it
> > causes a lot of problems.
> 
> I've had a look at your mail. It wasn't as strongly worded as this one,
> but yeah, you're right. :-)

	Well, I never imagined that you would send it to a public list
till I had a chance to refine it further and send you more information.
Sorry I wasn't more clear.

Doug
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to have as many women you got.' I looked at my mother dear and didn't even
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On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 adepoo@tamnet.com.mx wrote:

> So, we better ask this in ipfilter mailing list at
> ipfilter@coombs.anu.edu.au no?

That would be a good place to start, I think

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Hi

Bryan Bursey wrote:
> I use a SB PCI128 without any trouble.  Just required me to add one line
> to the kernel.

Could you please post exactly which version of FreeBSD you are using, as well
as the line you added to the kernel.

I am having trouble whith an identical card.

Thank you.

ps. By mistake I have sent this message to multimedia too.






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Hi William,

On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, William Woods wrote:

> Actually, there is one other option, I used it. Compile a single CPU kernel,
> install StarOffice , then compile you SMP kernel and use StarOffice...

What version of FreeBSD and when did you download StarOffice 5.1?

I installed it by booting into kernel.GENERIC and now, on 3.3-STABLE it
dies with the "shared fork" error.


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From owner-freebsd-stable  Wed Sep 22 18: 8:18 1999
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Just an additional blurb on that.  If the maintainer is going to add the
swat service to inetd.conf (or if you personally make a patch) I believe
that it should be commented out.

Just because a service is available doesn't mean that everyone wants it
installed.

-Chris

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Doug [SMTP:Doug@gorean.org]
> Sent:	Wednesday, September 22, 1999 3:36 PM
> To:	Greg Quinlan
> Cc:	freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
> Subject:	Re: Samba - Admin'
> 
> On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Greg Quinlan wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I have noticed that the entries for the "swat" utility have not been
> added
> > to the /etc/services nor the /etc/inetd.conf.
> 
> 	There are a LOT of things missing from /etc/services. 
> 
> > Entries such as:
> > in "/etc/services"
> > -----------8<-------------
> > accessbuilder   888/udp
> 
> 	This is the IANA assigned number for this service, so this looks
> good. 
> 
> > swat            901/tcp                 # Samba - Admin
> 
> 	IANA lists this as unassigned, therefore at best the port should
> contain a script to patch your /etc/services file. Otherwise I would say
> that it should continue to be something that you do yourself. 
> 
> > telnets         992/tcp
> > -----------8<-------------
> 
> 	Same as accessbuilder above. 
> 
> > & in "/etc/inetd.conf"
> > -----------8<-------------
> > #netbios-ssn stream tcp nowait root /usr/local/sbin/smbd smbd
> > #netbios-ns dgram udp wait root /usr/local/sbin/nmbd nmbd
> > # Samba - Admin
> > #swat stream tcp nowait.400 root /usr/local/samba/bin/swat swat
> > -----------8<-------------
> > 
> > I would like these entries to appear in an installed release, instead of
> > having to add them every time. A small request .... but every little bit
> > helps.
> 
> 	There is already enough spammage in /etc/inetd.conf, so I'm not
> sure how your request would be received. However, I don't have any say in
> the matter so you're in luck. In any case, your request will get more
> attention if it's sent in a PR with patches. 
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Doug
> -- 
> "My mama told me, my mama said, 'don't cry.' She said, 'you're too young a
> man
> to have as many women you got.' I looked at my mother dear and didn't even
> crack a smile. I said, 'If women kill me, I don't mind dyin!'" 
> 
>     - John Belushi as "Joliet" Jake Blues, "I Don't Know"
> 
> 
> 
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I _DID_ read that, and of course that is pointing to the
/usr/ports/distfiles directory.  Now, not every tarball that is in that dir
is REQUIRED by the docports, unless I am totally misunderstanding what is
meant by "DOCPORTS".

So, it appears that it is not very smart about this and just arbitrarily
grabs anything in it's path.  So, since there appears to be no other
solution, I am interpreting as meaning I need to make a separate dir and put
the docport distfiles there.

I apologize for hoping there was a simpler solution.  I was looking for an
option to just turn off the grabbing of ALL the distfiles.  There apparently
doesn't appear to be one.

Thanks.
-Chris

For the record, this should be explicitly stated somewhere in the Makefile.
Maybe I'll put in a pr and a patch for it.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	jack [SMTP:jack@germanium.xtalwind.net]
> Sent:	Wednesday, September 22, 1999 11:30 AM
> To:	C J Michaels
> Cc:	Claude Buisson; Marius Strom; Alex Povolotsky; stable@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject:	Re: make release grabbig all ports?
> 
> Today C J Michaels wrote:
> 
> > So, here is my question, is there some way to make a release without all
> the
> > distfiles?
> 
> RTFMakefile
> # Set this to wherever the distfiles required by ${DOCPORTS} live.
> DISTFILES?= ${.CURDIR}/../../ports/distfiles
> 
> and put the required tarballs into a different directory.
> 
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Today Christopher Michaels wrote:

> I _DID_ read that, and of course that is pointing to the
> /usr/ports/distfiles directory.  Now, not every tarball that is in that dir
> is REQUIRED by the docports, unless I am totally misunderstanding what is
> meant by "DOCPORTS".

DOCPORTS is defined in the line above 
# Set this .....
as textproc/docproj  Those are the tarballs that it needs.
Those are the tarballs who's location you need to assign to 
DISTFILES.

> So, it appears that it is not very smart about this and just arbitrarily
> grabs anything in it's path.

That's exactly what 
    if [ -d ${DISTFILES}/ ]; then \
        cp -rp ${DISTFILES} ${CHROOTDIR}/usr/ports/distfiles; \
    fi
does.  "not very smart", now there's an understatement.  :)

> So, since there appears to be no other solution, I am
> interpreting as meaning I need to make a separate dir and put
> the docport distfiles there.

Either that or have a really big CHROOTDIR.

> I apologize for hoping there was a simpler solution.  I was looking for an
> option to just turn off the grabbing of ALL the distfiles.  There apparently
> doesn't appear to be one.

make release has never been advertised as "simple".

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> -----Original Message-----
> From:	jack [SMTP:jack@germanium.xtalwind.net]
> Sent:	Wednesday, September 22, 1999 10:29 PM
> To:	Christopher Michaels
> Cc:	FreeBSD Stable (E-mail)
> Subject:	RE: make release grabbing all ports?
> 
> Today Christopher Michaels wrote:
> 
> > I _DID_ read that, and of course that is pointing to the
> > /usr/ports/distfiles directory.  Now, not every tarball that is in that
> dir
> > is REQUIRED by the docports, unless I am totally misunderstanding what
> is
> > meant by "DOCPORTS".
> 
> DOCPORTS is defined in the line above 
> # Set this .....
> as textproc/docproj  Those are the tarballs that it needs.
> Those are the tarballs who's location you need to assign to 
> DISTFILES.
> 
> > So, it appears that it is not very smart about this and just arbitrarily
> > grabs anything in it's path.
> 
> That's exactly what 
>     if [ -d ${DISTFILES}/ ]; then \
>         cp -rp ${DISTFILES} ${CHROOTDIR}/usr/ports/distfiles; \
>     fi
> does.  "not very smart", now there's an understatement.  :)
> 
> > So, since there appears to be no other solution, I am
> > interpreting as meaning I need to make a separate dir and put
> > the docport distfiles there.
> 
> Either that or have a really big CHROOTDIR.
> 
> > I apologize for hoping there was a simpler solution.  I was looking for
> an
> > option to just turn off the grabbing of ALL the distfiles.  There
> apparently
> > doesn't appear to be one.
> 
> make release has never been advertised as "simple".
> 
	Point well taken. :)

	Thanks for the info.

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> That's exactly what 
>     if [ -d ${DISTFILES}/ ]; then \
>         cp -rp ${DISTFILES} ${CHROOTDIR}/usr/ports/distfiles; \
>     fi
> does.  "not very smart", now there's an understatement.  :)

Well, it's "not very smart" for whomever's making the release to not
set that, no, I agree. :) The comments are reasonably explicit
elsewhere in release/Makefile:

# Set this to wherever the distfiles required by ${DOCPORTS} live.
DISTFILES?=     ${.CURDIR}/../../ports/distfiles

If you let this default to /usr/ports/distfiles, well, that's your
choice.

> make release has never been advertised as "simple".

Exactly, and those using it have to remain familiar with *all* of its
little foibles or they'll pay the price. :)

- Jordan


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At 02:07 PM 9/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
>FWIW, on RELENG_2_2, Netscape 4.0x would die a lot, but 4.5 would keep
>chugging along for months with no problems (tho it used more memory and
>felt a bit slower).  Now, (on -CURRENT), 4.5, 4.6[1], etc, all die
>regularly (2-5 days, generally).

YMMV.. Netscape 4.61 (native) rarely dies on me, and has been that
way since 2.2.6-RELEASE (including earlier Netscape versions). Of
course, I often stuck with -STABLE (2.2.7, 2.2.8;3.1, 3.2, 3.3).

Maybe I'm just good luck? :)

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Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
>> 
>> Jordan, maybe you should add this to your list of things to be done
>> at release time.  It gets us every time.
> 
> OK, this is the first I've really heard of a val-tags list. :)

Sorry, I thought you knew about it.  It's a file in
${CVSROOT}/CVSROOT.  It contains a line for every tag that anybody has
ever tried to check out, with a "y" or "n" to indicate whether the tag
is valid.  Normally CVS updates it automatically.  But with anonymous
CVS, the server doesn't have the right permissions to do that.  So the
error occurs.

The format of the file is obvious once you look at it.  Just add a
line for the new tag when you lay it down.

John
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3.3.2 release was just out, as Darren reported.

On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 03:49:35PM +0400, Alex Povolotsky wrote:
# Hello!
# 
# As far as I understand, current IP filter is 3.2.10 stable and 3.3.1
# beta. 
# 
# In FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE, as far as I understand again, if included IP
# Filter 3.2.7, which is kinda obsolete.
# 
# Whom should I ask about incorporating of 3.2.10? What are known
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# 
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To: Kris Kennaway <kris@hub.freebsd.org>
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On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 01:17:00PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote:
# On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Alex Povolotsky wrote:
# 
# > Whom should I ask about incorporating of 3.2.10? What are known
# > problems?
# The author, darren reed, who has commit privileges for the intended
# purpose of (among possibly other things) keeping ipfilter up to date :-)

But didn't somebody else took it over? Guido? I may be mistaken.

# 
# Kris
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Doug wrote:

> 	DON'T do this. As I told you when I sent you this code snippet it
> causes a lot of problems. Namely, numerous places in the rc files where
> /etc/defaults/rc.conf gets re-source'd, causing the code below to not look
> at your overrides again. There are a couple of other problems, but that's
> the biggest one. This problem is solvable, but it will require some
> reexamination of how the default and overrides files are sourced. 

How about some counter? e.g., complain if the same file is sourced more
than say 10 times? I can't see that happening in normal operation, I may
have failed to consider some possibilities though.

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Greetings -

I've got various 2.2.X and 3.X FreeBsd boxes installed
with the unsupported Legato clients talking to a
Solaris 2.6 Backup Server running Legato 5.5. The
Freebsd agents seem to be operational (ie. no core dumps
etc.), but on backup I receive the following error
in the backup details on the Sun:

RAP error, ClientPak for UNIX enabler does not exist in 
the system (severity 5, number 12)

This only happens on the Freebsd clients...all other
boxes (mostly suns are fine).  I've got plenty of licenses
and I've re-installed etc.  It appears to me that the 
Server does not recognize the Freebsd enabler.

Anyone else seen this?

Thanks in advance...

- Mike Whitley



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David -

I have a "network edition" enabler...I've been backing up Suns
and HPs on that Server for several years now.  I've just
recently added the FreeBSD boxes...Have you found that the
FreeBSD enabler is not network ready? (ie. They can only back
themselves up to a local tape drive)  That doesn't seem to be
what other people have posted...I've looked as far back as 1997
postings and it seems that many people have the FreeBSD clients
working over the net.

Thanks

- Mike

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, David Murphy wrote:

> Quoting <Pine.BSF.3.96.990923071426.26974A-100000@borg.proceon.com>
> by Mike Whitley <mwhitley@borg.proceon.com>:
> 
> > 
> > Greetings -
> > 
> > I've got various 2.2.X and 3.X FreeBsd boxes installed
> > with the unsupported Legato clients talking to a
> > Solaris 2.6 Backup Server running Legato 5.5. The
> > Freebsd agents seem to be operational (ie. no core dumps
> > etc.), but on backup I receive the following error
> > in the backup details on the Sun:
> > 
> > RAP error, ClientPak for UNIX enabler does not exist in 
> > the system (severity 5, number 12)
> > 
> > This only happens on the Freebsd clients...all other
> > boxes (mostly suns are fine).  I've got plenty of licenses
> > and I've re-installed etc.  It appears to me that the 
> > Server does not recognize the Freebsd enabler.
> > 
> > Anyone else seen this?
> 
> The basic legato product only allows you to back up the server it's
> installed on. Backing up workstations over the network is a cost
> option - you need a 'network edition' enabler on your legato server,
> regardless of whether the clients are FreeBSD machines, Solaris
> machines, etc.
> 



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Ben Smithurst wrote:
> 
> Doug wrote:
> 
> >       DON'T do this. As I told you when I sent you this code snippet it
> > causes a lot of problems. Namely, numerous places in the rc files where
> > /etc/defaults/rc.conf gets re-source'd, causing the code below to not look
> > at your overrides again. There are a couple of other problems, but that's
> > the biggest one. This problem is solvable, but it will require some
> > reexamination of how the default and overrides files are sourced.
> 
> How about some counter? e.g., complain if the same file is sourced more
> than say 10 times? I can't see that happening in normal operation, I may
> have failed to consider some possibilities though.

	Yeah, that's more or less what I had in mind for the backup plan. It
would still be nice to make the rc scripts smarter about how they do the
sourcing though. 

Doug
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On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Mikhail A. Sokolov wrote:

> But didn't somebody else took it over? Guido? I may be mistaken.

Quite possibly - I haven't followed it.

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I build several minimal FreeBSD systems each week with the X kernel
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On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Greg Quinlan wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I am not sure if it is something I have done to my firewall, but ever since I upgraded to 3.3RC, the decision-of weather to allow services (from the firewall) like, ftp, telnet or pop3 appears to be very slow!!! (10 or more seconds for telnet or pop3) Once the connection is made traffic speeds appear normal. 
> 
> Has anyone else experienced any problems with ipfilter (ipfw)?

This sounds more like a DNS change, you should also make sure that 
tcpwrappers aren't getting in the way.

-Alfred



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Also look for ident issues (port 113). 

Jason Young
accessUS Chief Network Engineer

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Alfred Perlstein wrote:

> 
> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Greg Quinlan wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I am not sure if it is something I have done to my firewall, but ever since I upgraded to 3.3RC, the decision-of weather to allow services (from the firewall) like, ftp, telnet or pop3 appears to be very slow!!! (10 or more seconds for telnet or pop3) Once the connection is made traffic speeds appear normal. 
> > 
> > Has anyone else experienced any problems with ipfilter (ipfw)?
> 
> This sounds more like a DNS change, you should also make sure that 
> tcpwrappers aren't getting in the way.
> 
> -Alfred
> 
> 
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Are you sure it is not a DNS issue somewhere?  I have found that many
services will try to do a reverse lookup on the connecting IP to see where
it is comming from and if there is a DNS problem or that IP dosen't have a
reverse, it can take a while timing out waiting for the DNS servers to
respond.

Joe Gleason
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Hi all,

I am not sure if it is something I have done to my firewall, but ever since
I upgraded to 3.3RC, the decision-of weather to allow services (from the
firewall) like, ftp, telnet or pop3 appears to be very slow!!! (10 or more
seconds for telnet or pop3) Once the connection is made traffic speeds
appear normal.

Has anyone else experienced any problems with ipfilter (ipfw)?

Greg






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Jim,

(Disclaimer: I am not a FreeBSD committer, just some who's researched
this issue.)

The short answer is, this will be a headache and definitely more trouble
than it's worth.

Longer answer:

The X stuff isn't included in FreeBSD's source tree, so you won't be
upgrading that via cvsup.  Any X security fixes will have to be
applied the hard way, with pkg_delete and pkg_add or via ports.

If all you're worried about are networking and kernel bugs, then you
can probably get away with src-sys.  You run a high risk of userland
and kernel falling out of sync, however.  FreeBSD is designed to be
upgraded monolithically.

Make world will take no less time with an out-of-sync source
collection (unless you use -DNOCLEAN).

If your system falls out of sync internally, you might be stuck with a
non-operational/non-booting/weirdly-failing system.  Complaints to the
lists will probably be met with "Well, we *say* don't do that."

I have a simple shell alias that does the upgrade for me; it boils
down to "cd /usr/src && cvsup -g stable-supfile && make world && cd
/sys/i386/conf && config KERNEL && cd ../../compile/KERNEL && make
depend && make all install" (typed from memory; do *not* cut and paste
without checking it!).  Since I replicate my .cshrc when I install a
machine, it follows me everywhere.

I use this to upgrade several remote VPN boxes without difficulty
(although I always run a test at the home office first, to see if
someone's fried -stable).  If I'm feeling brave, I even add "&&
reboot" at the end.  No muss, no fuss.

==ml
 
> I build several minimal FreeBSD systems each week with the X kernel
> developer selection and a handful of packages  (including cvsup) and 1 port
> (SKIP).  Lately I have started to use the latest -stable versions to get all
> of the bug fixes using src-all.
> 
> I would like to minimize the size, time, and complexity involved.  Can I use
> subcomponents of src-all and then build world to do this without added
> problems?
> 
> What subcomponents of src-all would I use to match the X kernel developer
> profile?  Or where do I look to figure it out?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jim Flowers mailto:jflowers@ezo.net
> 
> 
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Christopher Michaels wrote in list.freebsd-stable:
 > I _DID_ read that, and of course that is pointing to the
 > /usr/ports/distfiles directory.  Now, not every tarball that is in that dir
 > is REQUIRED by the docports, unless I am totally misunderstanding what is
 > meant by "DOCPORTS".

Correct.

 > So, it appears that it is not very smart about this and just arbitrarily
 > grabs anything in it's path.  So, since there appears to be no other
 > solution, I am interpreting as meaning I need to make a separate dir and put
 > the docport distfiles there.

Correct, you need to do exactly that.  That's why the variable
is there.   For example, I have a /usr/distfiles.release where
I link all docproj distfiles into, so no additional disk space
is wasted.

 > For the record, this should be explicitly stated somewhere in the Makefile.
 > Maybe I'll put in a pr and a patch for it.

It _is_ documented in the Makefile.  You just have to read it.
It has always been said that you should not try to make release
unless you have completely read and understood the Makefile.

Regards
   Oliver

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Dear BSD-users,

My machine running 3.3-STABLE is randomly rebooting from time to
time.   There is nothing in the system logs.  What should I do if I
want to find the cause of these reboots?  Is the "Kernel Debugging"
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On 23 Sep 1999 vladimir@math.uic.edu wrote:

> Dear BSD-users,
> 
> My machine running 3.3-STABLE is randomly rebooting from time to
> time.   There is nothing in the system logs.  What should I do if I
> want to find the cause of these reboots?  Is the "Kernel Debugging"
> section in the handbook the right place to start?     This machines is
> destined to become our main file server, so I have to take care of the
> problem.  Thanks for any advice!

Random reboots are usually hardware-related, but setting up crashdumps and
a debugging kernel is a good idea just in case get a dump.

Doug White                               
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Thu Sep 23 17: 2:14 1999
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Well, I wouldn't call it comprehensive but there is something in the FAQ
about it.

http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/hackers.html#CUSTREL

-Chris

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> > Has anyone written a guide to `make release`? I'm planning to set up a
> 
> Not to my knowledge, no.
> 
> - Jordan
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registered ip address. Is there a way to port map to one of the =
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That will be a tricky one, because PC anywhere uses some UDP packets to
establish the connection as well as the TCP connection.  As far as the natd
setup, all I can say is man natd.

Joe Gleason
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I'm currently using natd to route my lan to the internet. I am using one
registered ip address. Is there a way to port map to one of the computers
behind the freebsd router? The coumputer will be running win 98 and I would
like to use PC Anywhere or something like that.

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Ed Shoro
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On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Ed Shoro wrote:
> >%_I'm currently using natd to route my lan to the internet. I am using one registered ip address. Is there a way to port map to one of the computers behind the freebsd router? The coumputer will be running win 98 and I would like to use PC Anywhere or something like that. 
> 
> Thanks
> Ed Shoro
> ed@pdqnet.com
> 

Here is one way to do it that I've actually setup for a client that uses PC
Anywhere.  I use  'natd -pptpalias $registered_ip_address' in addition
to the other options required.  I've installed the PoPToP server on the
FreeBSD machine according to the "HOWTO/FAQ" instructions at:
    
    http://www.moreton.bay.com/vpn/pptp.html

You need to install the PopToP server software and re-compile your
kernel insuring that you have 1 or more ppp devices, see the HOWTO/FAQ
for all the details.

Next you setup the vpn adapter on your PC where you run PC anywhere
and login to the FreeBSD PoPToP server.  This establishes a vpn and you
may now use PC Anywhere to connect to the windows 98 client using its
private IP address.  You may also look at and use shares that show up in your
network neighborhood.

 --
John J. Rushford
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On 24-Sep-99 Joe Gleason wrote:

()  That will be a tricky one, because PC anywhere uses some UDP packets to
()  establish the connection as well as the TCP connection.  As far as the
()  natd setup, all I can say is man natd.

You can configure natd in two ways: to redirect defined UDP and TCP ports
for defined addresses to the same or different UDP or TCP ports on one or
many machines. This is sometimes tricky.

A good starting point is always to read the documentation, especially
ipfirewall(4), ipfw(8), natd(8) and sometimes dummynet(4) to read more
about how the firewall code works and for better and deeper under-
standing. For NAT, you don't need dummynet, but the documentation is
also interesting.

Build a kernel including IPDIVERT, IPFIREWALL and what else you want (look
at the documentation again, and look at the LINT file).

Use the log function of the ipfirewall to see which UDP and TCP ports PC
Anywhere needs, if you can't find anything in the PC Anywhere documentation.
Check carefully, if it works with a connection to a static port or from a
static port or what ever, and then start build a natd configuration and
an ipfw configuration.

Some examples, fragments from a working setup I changed a little:

First, we define an alias address on the "world" interface, which is not
necessary, but leaves us open to use any ports on the "real" (gateway)
machine:

        ifconfig x0 inet a.b.c.d netmask m.n.o.p
        ifconfig x0 alias a.b.c.d+1 netmask m.n.o.p
        ifconfig x1 alias e.f.g.h netmask q.r.s.t

...and let's assume that your internal host ist e.f.g.h+1

(Usually, you do this in /etc/rc.conf.)

Some natd configuration:

        port 8668
        deny_incoming no
        alias_address a+b+c+d   (*)
        redirect_address e.f.g.h+1 a.b.c.d+1  (**)

(*)  This will be the alias address natd uses for connections coming from
     the LAN interface (x1) to foreign hosts. It depends on your setup,
     which one makes more sense - I'm using a second x0 alias for this
     purpose

(**) You can also use the redirect_port command to redirect special
     services. I hardly recommend this especially if there's a Windows
     box behind the NAT host. Take care, natd uses a syntax like
     "local_addr public_addr", not vice versa, which would have
     expected. Read the man page :-)

Some ipfw configuration:   
   
        ipfw add n allow all from any to a.b.c.d

        ipfw add n++ divert 8668 all from any to a.b.c.d+1
        ipfw add n++ divert 8668 all from e.f.h.h+1 to any

        ipfw add n++ allow all from any to any

With this fragments you should be able to build a setup with which you
can reach your Windows box with the alias IP from the outside. I think
this is a good starting point for understanding what the firewall does.

From now, you have to trigger it so that it does exactly as you need,
I mean, redirect special ports and so on. Use the logging functions
of natd, ipfirewall and perhaps a tcpdump to find out what happens
on your network. This will give you enough diagnostics information
to see what firewall rule still is missing or what the software you're
using needs in addition.

Have fun :-)

Regards,

Martin
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> My machine running 3.3-STABLE is randomly rebooting from time to
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> problem.  Thanks for any advice!

Hmm... sounds like NMI, often caused by memory/motherboard hardware
problems.

By chance is this machine loaded down with a *lot* of memory?  If so,
try removing half of the memory and see if you're loading the memory
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I tried a new installation of 3.3 (19990918)tonight and got the signal 11.
I just finished the data on the screen for machine name, domain, ip
address, gateway, etc. I clicked the ok button and got a message about
signal 11 and the system was shutting down. I checked tty1 and the last
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I tried installing 2 times and it happened at the exact same spot.
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At Thu, 23 Sep 1999, owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I am not sure if it is something I have done to my firewall, but ever
>since I upgraded to 3.3RC, the decision-of weather to allow services
>(from the firewall) like, ftp, telnet or pop3 appears to be very slow!!!
>(10 or more seconds for telnet or pop3) Once the connection is made
>traffic speeds appear normal.

Could be a problem with the namelookup of the connecting host. Check if
you FreeBSD box can properly communicate with nameservers..

Mark Lastdrager
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As I recall, Joe Gleason wrote:
> That will be a tricky one, because PC anywhere uses some UDP packets to
> establish the connection as well as the TCP connection.  As far as the natd
> setup, all I can say is man natd.
> 
> Joe Gleason
> Tasam
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ed Shoro <ed@pdqnet.com>
> To: <stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 20:48
> Subject: Natd
> 
> 
> I'm currently using natd to route my lan to the internet. I am using one
> registered ip address. Is there a way to port map to one of the computers
> behind the freebsd router? The coumputer will be running win 98 and I would
> like to use PC Anywhere or something like that.
> 
> Thanks
> Ed Shoro
> ed@pdqnet.com

You might want to look at VNC.

http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/

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Sorry, it may be another Mickey-soft problem, does not happen at any other
workstation but mine. Damn... MS!

Sorry about crying for help so quickly.... just coincidence...

Thanks to all who responded, and sorry for wasting your time. :(

Greg




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I just installed FreeBSD 3.3 on my machine (AMD K6-2/350, EPoX
EP-MVP4A motherboard [VIA MVP4 chipset], 128 MB RAM).  (Actually, I am
running 3.3-RC, `make world'ed about 1 week before release
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However, my machine is now crashing at least once a day, sometimes more
than once a day.  There is no regularity to the crashes, they seem to
happen during periods of heavy use just as equally as during idle times.
I've tried killing almost all of my daemons and servers, but that doesn't
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I'm beginning to suspect hardware instability.  HOWEVER, I have been
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having stability problems with their boxen under 3.3, whereas the same
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"John J. Rushford Jr." wrote:
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> Anywhere.  I use  'natd -pptpalias $registered_ip_address' in addition
> to the other options required.  I've installed the PoPToP server on the
> FreeBSD machine according to the "HOWTO/FAQ" instructions at:
> 
>     http://www.moreton.bay.com/vpn/pptp.html
That should be http://www.moretonbay.com/vpn/pptp.html 

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On Fri, Sep 24, 1999 at 01:21:08AM -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote:
> As I recall, Joe Gleason wrote:
> > That will be a tricky one, because PC anywhere uses some UDP packets to
> > establish the connection as well as the TCP connection.  As far as the natd
> > setup, all I can say is man natd.
> > 
> > Joe Gleason
> > Tasam
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ed Shoro <ed@pdqnet.com>
> > To: <stable@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 20:48
> > Subject: Natd
> > 
> > 
> > I'm currently using natd to route my lan to the internet. I am using one
> > registered ip address. Is there a way to port map to one of the computers
> > behind the freebsd router? The coumputer will be running win 98 and I would
> > like to use PC Anywhere or something like that.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Ed Shoro
> > ed@pdqnet.com
> 
> You might want to look at VNC.
> 
> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/

and a port in /usr/ports/net/vnc

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Any clues on what this means?

swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20401, blkno: 28040, size: 
4096

It's been showing up, on and off, in the daily logs of a -STABLE machine
running a snapshot from sometime in June.  The box is a K6-2 400 with a
DPT RAID controller.  Nothing bad seems to have happened yet (no apps
mysteriously dying) and the machine's been up for a few months.

- Mike




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>Any clues on what this means?
>
>swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20401, blkno: 28040, size: 
>4096
>
>It's been showing up, on and off, in the daily logs of a -STABLE machine
>running a snapshot from sometime in June.  The box is a K6-2 400 with a
>DPT RAID controller.  Nothing bad seems to have happened yet (no apps
>mysteriously dying) and the machine's been up for a few months.

   It's harmless and just means that it took a rather long time for some
pages to get paged out due to overloaded disk(s). Probably indicates that
you should add some memory or at least add another swap partition on another
disk drive.

-DG

David Greenman
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I'm assuming a bad drive here, but any way of determining whch based on
the 'device' entry?

Sep 24 04:22:07 hub /kernel: swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20439
, blkno: 2704, size: 4096


Thanks...


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Greg Quinlan wrote:
> 
> Sorry, it may be another Mickey-soft problem, does not happen at any other
> workstation but mine. Damn... MS!

Last week somebody complained about the same thing. It seems
/etc/hosts got diced when the upgrade was done, in the case of that
person.

--
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I have INN v2.2 running happily on a 3.1-STABLE machine, with all mmap
options turned on. I read of mmap problems with 3.2-stable. Maybe my
server just isn't loaded enough to grok on these problmes, but when I set
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In article <7sdhsr$9jl$1@mimas.salford.ac.uk>,
Mike Whitley  <mwhitley@borg.proceon.com> wrote:
>I have a "network edition" enabler...I've been backing up Suns
>and HPs on that Server for several years now.  I've just
>recently added the FreeBSD boxes...Have you found that the
>FreeBSD enabler is not network ready? (ie. They can only back
>themselves up to a local tape drive)  That doesn't seem to be
>what other people have posted...I've looked as far back as 1997
>postings and it seems that many people have the FreeBSD clients
>working over the net.

Could this be related to what's mentioned in:

ftp://ftp.feral.com/pub/networker/README_5_5_SERVER

We have Solaris boxes getting backed up, but do not have "ClientPak for
UNIX". We do have "ClientPak for Netware" and "ClientPak for NT" shown
from nwadmin, Menu Server, option Registration.

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after munging up my make installworld several times, i finally got a good
make.

now, each man command brings up a man page twice! what have i done?

thanks in advance.

cheers,
jeff

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Hi

I have a choice between 'Decade PM1554U2 PCI' and a 'Century 
PM2654U2-R-16M PCI'raid controllers. 

I am interested if these are compatible with stable and what are 
differences in those two...

TIA
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> after munging up my make installworld several times, i finally got a good
> make.
> 
> now, each man command brings up a man page twice! what have i done?

Look in /usr/share/man/man7, see if you have files that end with and
without .gz, if so you ran one install with NOMANCOMPRESS and one
without it.

Easiest fix is to blow away /usr/share/man/* and re-run ``make installworld''.


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If this is so (bad ram), then why could I:
1). Install FreeBSD 3.0 with no problems
2). Install FreeBSD 3.2 with no problems
3). Upgrade Debian Linux from Hamm to Slink with no problems
4). Install OS/2 Warp4 (and fixpaks) with no problems?

Also, I just as I was getting ready to get it bed, I turned on another
computer (P166) and tried it.
Guess what? It caught the signal 11 at the exact same spot.

BTW- there is nothing above that is meant sarcastically :)  I am only
pointing out what I have done with the machine recently :)   And yes, 3.2,
Debian, OS/2, and windud95 are all on the same machine running!

Mike


At 11:20 PM 09/23/1999 -0700, thomas@hentschel.net wrote:
>On 23 Sep, Michael A. Endsley wrote:
>> I tried a new installation of 3.3 (19990918)tonight and got the signal 11.
>[snip]
>> "DEBUG: Signal 11 caught! That's bad!"
>> I tried installing 2 times and it happened at the exact same spot.
>> Any ideas on what is causing this?
>
>I had the same problem with bad RAM. Also, if it was able to go past
>this point, it would panic() later on during decompressing. Try removing
>or swapping memory to find which stick is the bad one.
>
>-Th
>
>
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> Hi
> 
> I have a choice between 'Decade PM1554U2 PCI' and a 'Century 
> PM2654U2-R-16M PCI'raid controllers. 
> 
> I am interested if these are compatible with stable and what are 
> differences in those two...

Neither will work with any release of FreeBSD that I know of at
this time.   These are SmartRaid V series cards, only SmartRaid IV
series cards are supported by FreeBSD.


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On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Mike Whitley wrote:

> etc.), but on backup I receive the following error
> in the backup details on the Sun:
> 
> RAP error, ClientPak for UNIX enabler does not exist in 
> the system (severity 5, number 12)

Legato is a group of assholes. Essentially, you have to pay a one time
fee for going 'cross-platform' (different platform server then client.)

It is just their way of raping you even more then the $300 you already
paid per-client.

Call Cathy Won at 650-812-6151 and tell her you think it sucks that
you have to pay another $2000 for an unsupported, unofficial client.
I sure did.

Tell your sales rep too.

BTW - If you had an NT server (like I do) and FreeBSD clients (like me)
you have to pay this fee too.

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"Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> probably said:
> > now, each man command brings up a man page twice! what have i done?
> 
> Look in /usr/share/man/man7, see if you have files that end with and
> without .gz, if so you ran one install with NOMANCOMPRESS and one
> without it.

] globbing /usr/share/man/man1/man.1*
] found ultimate source file /usr/share/man/man1/man.1
] to_name in convert_name () is: /usr/share/man/cat1/man.1.gz
] will try to write /usr/share/man/cat1/man.1.gz if needed
] status from is_newer() = 0
] 
] trying command: /usr/bin/zcat /usr/share/man/cat1/man.1.gz | more
] to_name in convert_name () is: /usr/share/man/cat1/man.1.gz
] will try to write /usr/share/man/cat1/man.1.gz if needed
] status from is_newer() = 0
] 
] trying command: /usr/bin/zcat /usr/share/man/cat1/man.1.gz | more

I've had this problem for a while and never found the time to go
through the man source and work out just why it is inclined to
show me the same file twice.
Removing the older of the compressed and uncompressed does indeed
solve the symptom, but that behaviour is still wrong - those two
commands are showing exactly the same file.

Arguably (IMO, anyway :) if that is the behaviour if you have both it
should just display the newer of the two ...

P.

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> "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> probably said:
> > > now, each man command brings up a man page twice! what have i done?
> > 
> > Look in /usr/share/man/man7, see if you have files that end with and
> > without .gz, if so you ran one install with NOMANCOMPRESS and one
> > without it.
> 
> ] globbing /usr/share/man/man1/man.1*
> ] found ultimate source file /usr/share/man/man1/man.1
> ] to_name in convert_name () is: /usr/share/man/cat1/man.1.gz
> ] will try to write /usr/share/man/cat1/man.1.gz if needed
> ] status from is_newer() = 0
> ] 
> ] trying command: /usr/bin/zcat /usr/share/man/cat1/man.1.gz | more
> ] to_name in convert_name () is: /usr/share/man/cat1/man.1.gz
> ] will try to write /usr/share/man/cat1/man.1.gz if needed
> ] status from is_newer() = 0
> ] 
> ] trying command: /usr/bin/zcat /usr/share/man/cat1/man.1.gz | more
> 
> I've had this problem for a while and never found the time to go
> through the man source and work out just why it is inclined to
> show me the same file twice.
> Removing the older of the compressed and uncompressed does indeed
> solve the symptom, but that behaviour is still wrong - those two
> commands are showing exactly the same file.

Hummm... hey mpp, is this the functionality that we talked about
that Berkeley man had in that it would show you all sections of
the manual that had a page by the same name gone haywire in GNU's
version of man???

This may be a bugger up of the proper man behavior that works in
the Berkeley man command that was retired to the attic many years
ago in that if the arg to man exists in more than one section of
the man pages it is suppose to display all the so named man pages.

An example is ``man man'' which _should_ show you man1/man and
man7/man, but only shows you man1/man.  I'll bet 90% of users
don't even know that man7/man exists... due to this bug...

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will make installworld then only re-install the man pages? or will it go
thru everything?

jeff

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On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:

> > after munging up my make installworld several times, i finally got a good
> > make.
> > 
> > now, each man command brings up a man page twice! what have i done?
> 
> Look in /usr/share/man/man7, see if you have files that end with and
> without .gz, if so you ran one install with NOMANCOMPRESS and one
> without it.
> 
> Easiest fix is to blow away /usr/share/man/* and re-run ``make installworld''.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
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> will make installworld then only re-install the man pages? or will it go
> thru everything?

It will install everything... but if you run:
cd /usr/src && make maninstall

it should do the right thing, unless the maninstall: target
has been poorly maintained in the tree:-(.

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"Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> probably said:
> Hummm... hey mpp, is this the functionality that we talked about
> that Berkeley man had in that it would show you all sections of
> the manual that had a page by the same name gone haywire in GNU's
> version of man???

> This may be a bugger up of the proper man behavior that works in
> the Berkeley man command that was retired to the attic many years
> ago in that if the arg to man exists in more than one section of
> the man pages it is suppose to display all the so named man pages.
> 
> An example is ``man man'' which _should_ show you man1/man and
> man7/man, but only shows you man1/man.  I'll bet 90% of users
> don't even know that man7/man exists... due to this bug...

Thats what `man -k man` and `man 7 man` are for. Personally I'd much
rather it display one page and indeed this is the documented default
behaviour;

     -a          By default, man will exit after displaying the first manual
                 page it finds.  Using this option forces man to display all
                 the manual pages that match name, not just the first.

P.

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> "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> probably said:
> > Hummm... hey mpp, is this the functionality that we talked about
> > that Berkeley man had in that it would show you all sections of
> > the manual that had a page by the same name gone haywire in GNU's
> > version of man???
> 
> > This may be a bugger up of the proper man behavior that works in
> > the Berkeley man command that was retired to the attic many years
> > ago in that if the arg to man exists in more than one section of
> > the man pages it is suppose to display all the so named man pages.
> > 
> > An example is ``man man'' which _should_ show you man1/man and
> > man7/man, but only shows you man1/man.  I'll bet 90% of users
> > don't even know that man7/man exists... due to this bug...
> 
> Thats what `man -k man` and `man 7 man` are for. Personally I'd much
> rather it display one page and indeed this is the documented default
> behaviour;
> 
>      -a          By default, man will exit after displaying the first manual
>                  page it finds.  Using this option forces man to display all
>                  the manual pages that match name, not just the first.

Blech... going all the way back to SunOS 3.5 man(1) based on the Berkeley
code didn't need this.  Documented default behavior has changed.. wonder
if someone didn't know that man blah already did the right thing... sigh..

Also Berkely and GNU disagree on what -a does slightly:

     -a      Display all of the manual pages for a specified section and name
             combination.  (Normally, only the first manual page found is dis-
             played.)

Note the more explicit ``section and name combination''.  What does gnu
man -a 1 man produce?  Okay, it works correctly but the above implies
that the section is ignored by not mentioning it.

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Fri Sep 24 13:32:38 1999
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In my experience (today), it was indicative of a bad hard drive and caused
a system hang :(


On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, David Greenman wrote:

> >Any clues on what this means?
> >
> >swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20401, blkno: 28040, size: 
> >4096
> >
> >It's been showing up, on and off, in the daily logs of a -STABLE machine
> >running a snapshot from sometime in June.  The box is a K6-2 400 with a
> >DPT RAID controller.  Nothing bad seems to have happened yet (no apps
> >mysteriously dying) and the machine's been up for a few months.
> 
>    It's harmless and just means that it took a rather long time for some
> pages to get paged out due to overloaded disk(s). Probably indicates that
> you should add some memory or at least add another swap partition on another
> disk drive.
> 
> -DG
> 
> David Greenman
> Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org
> Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com
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Hello,
	Today, a user ran into a strange problem.. I can't say that it's
even a FreeBSD or Stable problem other then the problem never existed
before... So let me try to explain this in a way that makes some human
sense.....

	A customer contacted me after not being able to login via FTP.. He
was not even getting a login prompt, and was getting 'Operation Timed Out'.
While on the phone with this user, I asked him to attempt to connect to
telnet -- which failed with the same before, as did the web page. However
the user was able to connect to SMTP, DNS, identd, pop3. Curious now, I
decided to test this from some remote machines. From 3 of the machines I
tested, everything worked normally. However, from one, I had the exact
same problem as this user.

	I had some other people test this out, the majority were able to
connect fine, while a minority were not. After having them run traceroutes,
they do have a route to this machine without any problems. Also, there are
no firewall rules on the box that even goes near denying anything on those
ports, or denying the ips of these machines that did not work. The kernel
is set to default to accept with IP_FIREWALL. The only thing done to this
machine in the last week (time from which user last connected fine) was
the upgrade to 3.3-STABLE from 3.2-STABLE.. I am at a loss, is there
anyone out there with an idea of what could be causing this increasingly
strange problem? Thanks.

-Matt



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Rodney W. Grimes once stated:

=> I  have  a choice  between  'Decade  PM1554U2  PCI' and  a  'Century 
=> PM2654U2-R-16M PCI'raid controllers.                                 
=>
=> I am  interested if  these are  compatible with  stable and  what are
=> differences in those two...
=
=Neither will work  with any release of  FreeBSD that I know  of at this
=time.  These are  SmartRaid V  series cards,  only SmartRaid  IV series
=cards are supported by FreeBSD.

SmartRaid III works for me, if anyone cares...

	-mi


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Following up on my own post, I just duplicated this problem using the same
3 test machines on a different target machine running 3.3-stable. The same
2 worked, while the same one failed. As did this user's attempt on the
other target machine.. This is strange.

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3.3-stable added tcpwrapping to inetd by default.  You didn't mention this 
in your problem description.  Have you looked into this possibility?



At 03:24 PM 9/24/99 , matt wrote:

>is set to default to accept with IP_FIREWALL. The only thing done to this
>machine in the last week (time from which user last connected fine) was
>the upgrade to 3.3-STABLE from 3.2-STABLE.. I am at a loss, is there
>anyone out there with an idea of what could be causing this increasingly
>strange problem? Thanks.

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I should have meantioned that -- I do not run inetd with -wW, it's a
public machine, so wrapping to me is not needed there. Also, the default
hosts.allow defaults to ALL : ALL : allow. Unfortunately, this isn't my
problem..I tried running inetd in debug to see if I could catch anything
but it doesn't show me anything that relates.. It shows nothing at all
on the machines that do not 'work'.

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Bryan Talbot wrote:

: 3.3-stable added tcpwrapping to inetd by default.  You didn't mention this 
: in your problem description.  Have you looked into this possibility?
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> Rodney W. Grimes once stated:
> 
> => I  have  a choice  between  'Decade  PM1554U2  PCI' and  a  'Century 
> => PM2654U2-R-16M PCI'raid controllers.                                 
> =>
> => I am  interested if  these are  compatible with  stable and  what are
> => differences in those two...
> =
> =Neither will work  with any release of  FreeBSD that I know  of at this
> =time.  These are  SmartRaid V  series cards,  only SmartRaid  IV series
> =cards are supported by FreeBSD.
> 
> SmartRaid III works for me, if anyone cares...

Egg my face, I knew that too.. anyway the complete discription of
what dpt(4) supports is:

DESCRIPTION
     The dpt driver provides support for the DPT Smart Cache Plus, Smart Cache
     III, Smart Raid III, Smart Cache IV, and Smart RAID IV families of
     procucts.

I think the only thing on that list in production is the IV series though.


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> > "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> probably said:
> > > > now, each man command brings up a man page twice! what have i done?
> > > 
> > > Look in /usr/share/man/man7, see if you have files that end with and
> > > without .gz, if so you ran one install with NOMANCOMPRESS and one
> > > without it.
> > 
> > ] globbing /usr/share/man/man1/man.1*
[snip]
> > ] trying command: /usr/bin/zcat /usr/share/man/cat1/man.1.gz | more
> > 
> > I've had this problem for a while and never found the time to go
> > through the man source and work out just why it is inclined to
> > show me the same file twice.
> > Removing the older of the compressed and uncompressed does indeed
> > solve the symptom, but that behaviour is still wrong - those two
> > commands are showing exactly the same file.
> 
> Hummm... hey mpp, is this the functionality that we talked about
> that Berkeley man had in that it would show you all sections of
> the manual that had a page by the same name gone haywire in GNU's
> version of man???

Not quite, I think, but it may be some half-baked attempt
by the GNU man to do so.  Or more likely an artifact of adding
compressed man pages after the original version
was written.

-Mike
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> will make installworld then only re-install the man pages? or will it go
> thru everything?
> 
> jeff

There is a "maninstall" target.  Use at your own risk, since I haven't
tried running it directly by hand.

-Mike
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Fri Sep 24 17:51:57 1999
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I've tried twice to install tetex from the packages collection (via ftp).
During the pkg_add step it aborts with "error code 1 -- please check the
debug screen for more info".

I'm a bit new to this but don't see a "debug screen". (Ctrl-Alt-F1 doesn't
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What is the normal way of finding the problem and working around it?

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Any way of findign out which device this belongs to?

swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 6008, size: 4096
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 5480, size: 4096
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 6008, size: 4096
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 5480, size: 4096
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 6008, size: 4096
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 5480, size: 4096
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 6008, size: 4096
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 5480, size: 4096
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 6008, size: 4096
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 5480, size: 4096
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 6008, size: 4096
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 5480, size: 4096
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 6008, size: 4096
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 5480, size: 4096
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 6008, size: 4096
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 5480, size: 4096
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 6008, size: 4096
swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 5480, size: 4096



On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Mike Holling wrote:

> Any clues on what this means?
> 
> swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20401, blkno: 28040, size: 
> 4096
> 
> It's been showing up, on and off, in the daily logs of a -STABLE machine
> running a snapshot from sometime in June.  The box is a K6-2 400 with a
> DPT RAID controller.  Nothing bad seems to have happened yet (no apps
> mysteriously dying) and the machine's been up for a few months.
> 
> - Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Fri Sep 24 22:20: 1 1999
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I was trying to generate a release from stable, and I keep getting an
error from the generation o fthe documentation like the following:

/usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/book.sgml:8664:24:E:
unexpected element name: ANSWER
/usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/book.sgml:8673:12:E:
unexpected element name: QUESTION

What am I doing wrong?  I know I can turn off generating non-english
documentation, but I was curious why I was getting the error.

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At 1.5 million for an unlimited license, the people at Legato
are not just "assholes" but arrogant as hell too.
Their product is not that complicated, and it seems to me
at least, that they deserve a good dose of open source
competition.
I use Legato products because management bought it. Not
because I think they are the best at what they do.  They are
pretty good at marketing.  And I guess Bill Gates said it best
"Success is making smart people think they need you".
....if only there was something else....


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And where does experience come from?=20
Experience comes from bad judgment.
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>>> Bill Fumerola <billf@jade.chc-chimes.com> 9/24/99 9:41:02 AM >>>
On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Mike Whitley wrote:

> etc.), but on backup I receive the following error
> in the backup details on the Sun:
>=20
> RAP error, ClientPak for UNIX enabler does not exist in=20
> the system (severity 5, number 12)

Legato is a group of assholes. Essentially, you have to pay a one time
fee for going 'cross-platform' (different platform server then client.)

It is just their way of raping you even more then the $300 you already
paid per-client.

Call Cathy Won at 650-812-6151 and tell her you think it sucks that
you have to pay another $2000 for an unsupported, unofficial client.
I sure did.

Tell your sales rep too.

BTW - If you had an NT server (like I do) and FreeBSD clients (like me)
you have to pay this fee too.

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Followinging up my own query, I installed via ports and it looks as if the
packages script for tetex is missing a gmake dependency.

I would still like to hear from someone on how to view a "debug screen"
when a pkg_add doesn't work.

Gene

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Gene Wilburn wrote:

> I've tried twice to install tetex from the packages collection (via ftp).
> During the pkg_add step it aborts with "error code 1 -- please check the
> debug screen for more info".
> 
> I'm a bit new to this but don't see a "debug screen". (Ctrl-Alt-F1 doesn't
> reveal anything related) I'm logged into KDE as a user and installing from
> a KDE term su'd to root.
> 
> What is the normal way of finding the problem and working around it?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Gene
> 
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In message <Pine.BSF.4.10.9909250038000.11886-100000@thelab.hub.org>, 
The Hermi
t Hacker writes:
> 
> Any way of findign out which device this belongs to?
> 
> swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20449, blkno: 5480, size: 4096
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Mike Holling wrote:
> 
> > Any clues on what this means?
> > 
> > swap_pager: indefinite wait buffer: device: 0x20401, blkno: 28040, size: 
> > 4096
> > 
> > It's been showing up, on and off, in the daily logs of a -STABLE machine
> > running a snapshot from sometime in June.  The box is a K6-2 400 with a
> > DPT RAID controller.  Nothing bad seems to have happened yet (no apps
> > mysteriously dying) and the machine's been up for a few months.
> > 
> > - Mike
> > 
> > 
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If we take a look at sys/types.h,

/* 
 * minor() gives a cookie instead of an index since we don't want to
 * change the meanings of bits 0-15 or waste time and space shifting
 * bits 16-31 for devices that don't use them. 
 */
#define major(x)        ((int)(((u_int)(x) >> 8)&0xff)) /* major number 
*/
#define minor(x)        ((int)((x)&0xffff00ff))         /* minor number 
*/
#define makedev(x,y)    ((dev_t)(((x) << 8) | (y)))     /* create dev_t 
*/

So, 0x20449 is major # 0x04, a SCSI device, and minor # 0x00020049.  
Just do an ls -l /dev/da* and you'll find your device:  da2.


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To: Mark Powell <M.S.Powell@salford.ac.uk>
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Hi,

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Mark Powell wrote:

> I have INN v2.2 running happily on a 3.1-STABLE machine, with all mmap
> options turned on. I read of mmap problems with 3.2-stable. Maybe my
> server just isn't loaded enough to grok on these problmes, but when I set
> up a new news server should I stay with 3.1 or have these problems been
> fixed in 3.3? Cheers.

 You'd better stay with what it works for you right now. I'm sorry to say
it but since upgrading to 3.2-STABLE about end of August I get random
freezes every 1-2 days and even in 3.3-STABLE as of 20th September this
seems to not have been fixed; other people also reported on -stable
problems they had with 3.3 ...

 Before any of you start flaming me about hardware problems let me assure
you I have thoroughly checked the machine and had DDB compiled in kernel;
I also might add that this machine had NO problems before upgrading to
3.2/3.3 and had respectable uptimes (now I can't get over 3 days of
uptime).

 This is not intended to subminate FreeBSD's image but rather to launch a
"HEADS UP" warning in respect of -stable branch stability in this period
of time. I'm willing to cooperate with whoever wants to fix this in the
limits of my possibilities (this is a production server)...

PS: I could have filed a PR but I can't figure any way of reproducing
    this -- just a double panic caught by my co-worker, details posted on
    -stable on 19th Sep with "3.2-STABLE hangs after several hours" in
    the subject...

 Thank you,
 Ady (@warpnet.ro)
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On 25-Sep-99 Charles Quarri wrote:
> I was trying to generate a release from stable, and I keep getting an
> error from the generation o fthe documentation like the following:
> 
> /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/book.sgml:8664:24:
> E:
> unexpected element name: ANSWER
> /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/book.sgml:8673:12:
> E:
> unexpected element name: QUESTION
> 
> What am I doing wrong?  I know I can turn off generating non-english
> documentation, but I was curious why I was getting the error.

Make sure that you have the latest docproj port (1.1) installed when you
build the documentation.

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On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 01:20:03AM -0400, Charles Quarri wrote:
> I was trying to generate a release from stable, and I keep getting an
> error from the generation o fthe documentation like the following:
> 
> /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/book.sgml:8664:24:E:
> unexpected element name: ANSWER
> /usr/local/bin/jade:/usr/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/book.sgml:8673:12:E:
> unexpected element name: QUESTION
> 
> What am I doing wrong?  

Nothing.  The formatting stylesheets don't know the Russian for "Question"
and "Answers", that's all.  The docs should still build correctly.

N
-- 
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 non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs
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At 6:47 PM +0200 1999/9/24, Lauri Laupmaa wrote:

> I have a choice between 'Decade PM1554U2 PCI' and a 'Century
> PM2654U2-R-16M PCI'raid controllers.
>
> I am interested if these are compatible with stable and what are
> differences in those two...

	Those are both SmartRAID V controllers.  The drivers for the 
SmartRAID V haven't been released yet.  I'm hoping to get a 
pre-release copy of the drivers and a loaner card so that I can do 
some benchmarking with them.

	Right now, the only DPT controllers that are supported under 
FreeBSD are the older SmartRAID IV controllers (as well as their 
older SmartRAID I-III brethren).

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On Sat, Sep 25, 1999, Adrian Penisoara wrote:
> PS: I could have filed a PR but I can't figure any way of reproducing
>     this -- just a double panic caught by my co-worker, details posted on
>     -stable on 19th Sep with "3.2-STABLE hangs after several hours" in
>     the subject...

   When it happens, write down the panic message and send a PR.
Maybe someone else who can reproduce it can contribute here and
help get this problem fixed.

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Just to confirm...I've had similar problems, but *only* after moving to
INN-CURRENT, which makes *very* heavy use of MMAP() :( 

What version of INN are you running?

On Sat, 25 Sep 1999, Adrian Penisoara wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Mark Powell wrote:
> 
> > I have INN v2.2 running happily on a 3.1-STABLE machine, with all mmap
> > options turned on. I read of mmap problems with 3.2-stable. Maybe my
> > server just isn't loaded enough to grok on these problmes, but when I set
> > up a new news server should I stay with 3.1 or have these problems been
> > fixed in 3.3? Cheers.
> 
>  You'd better stay with what it works for you right now. I'm sorry to say
> it but since upgrading to 3.2-STABLE about end of August I get random
> freezes every 1-2 days and even in 3.3-STABLE as of 20th September this
> seems to not have been fixed; other people also reported on -stable
> problems they had with 3.3 ...
> 
>  Before any of you start flaming me about hardware problems let me assure
> you I have thoroughly checked the machine and had DDB compiled in kernel;
> I also might add that this machine had NO problems before upgrading to
> 3.2/3.3 and had respectable uptimes (now I can't get over 3 days of
> uptime).
> 
>  This is not intended to subminate FreeBSD's image but rather to launch a
> "HEADS UP" warning in respect of -stable branch stability in this period
> of time. I'm willing to cooperate with whoever wants to fix this in the
> limits of my possibilities (this is a production server)...
> 
> PS: I could have filed a PR but I can't figure any way of reproducing
>     this -- just a double panic caught by my co-worker, details posted on
>     -stable on 19th Sep with "3.2-STABLE hangs after several hours" in
>     the subject...
> 
>  Thank you,
>  Ady (@warpnet.ro)
>  Warp Net Technologies
> 
> 
> 
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Hi,

On Sat, 25 Sep 1999, The Hermit Hacker wrote:

> 
> Just to confirm...I've had similar problems, but *only* after moving to
> INN-CURRENT, which makes *very* heavy use of MMAP() :( 
> 
> What version of INN are you running?

 I'm not running any kind of INN -- but lately I have been playing with
nntpcached (2.3.3), but the problems have been manifesting even before
installing it...

 Thanks,
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Hi,

On Sat, 25 Sep 1999, Chris Costello wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 25, 1999, Adrian Penisoara wrote:
> > PS: I could have filed a PR but I can't figure any way of reproducing
> >     this -- just a double panic caught by my co-worker, details posted on
> >     -stable on 19th Sep with "3.2-STABLE hangs after several hours" in
> >     the subject...
> 
>    When it happens, write down the panic message and send a PR.
> Maybe someone else who can reproduce it can contribute here and
> help get this problem fixed.

 The problem is that it doesn't panic -- that was the only panic that
manifested, and it was a double one, which I believe it's even harder to
debug. I had crushdumping enabled but nothing got dumped (probably because
of double panicing).

 Thanks,
 Ady (@warpnet.ro)



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For reference, here's the Version 7 man page for 'man 1'

==================================================================

MAN(1)                             MAN(1)

NAME
       man - print sections of this manual

SYNOPSIS
       man [ option ... ] [ chapter ] title ...

DESCRIPTION
       Man  locates  and  prints the section of this manual named
       title in the specified chapter.   (In  this  context,  the
       word  `page'  is  often used as a synonym for `section'.)
       The title is entered in lower case.   The  chapter  number
       does  not  need  a letter suffix.  If no chapter is speci-
       fied, the whole manual  is  searched  for  title  and  all
       occurrences of it are printed.

       Options and their meanings are:

       -t     Phototypeset the section using troff(1).

       -n     Print  the  section  on  the  standard output using
          nroff(1).

       -k     Display the output on  a  Tektronix  4014  terminal
          using troff(1) and tc(1).

       -e     Appended or prefixed to any of the above causes the
          manual  section  to  be  preprocessed  by  neqn  or
          eqn(1); -e alone means -te.

       -w     Print the path names of the manual sections, but do
          not print the sections themselves.

       (default)
          Copy an already formatted  manual  section  to  the
          terminal,  or, if none is available, act as -n.  It
          may be necessary to use a filter to adapt the  out-
          put to the particular terminal's characteristics.

       Further  options, e.g. to specify the kind of terminal you
       have, are passed on to troff(1)  or  nroff.   Options  and
       chapter may be changed before each title.

       For example:

          man man

       would  reproduce  this  section, as well as any other sec-
       tions named man that may exist in other  chapters  of  the
       manual, e.g.  man(7).

FILES
       /usr/man/man?/*
       /usr/man/cat?/*

                                1

MAN(1)                             MAN(1)

SEE ALSO
       nroff(1), eqn(1), tc(1), man(7)

==================================================================


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"Michael A. Endsley" wrote:
> 
> If this is so (bad ram), then why could I:
> 1). Install FreeBSD 3.0 with no problems
> 2). Install FreeBSD 3.2 with no problems
> 3). Upgrade Debian Linux from Hamm to Slink with no problems
> 4). Install OS/2 Warp4 (and fixpaks) with no problems?

It happens. RAM will blow you up depending on it's usage pattern. It
might work for years, and then a simple change in the usage pattern
will come up with the defect.

> Also, I just as I was getting ready to get it bed, I turned on another
> computer (P166) and tried it.
> Guess what? It caught the signal 11 at the exact same spot.

Exact same spot? Then it is *NOT* a RAM problem.

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sat Sep 25 10:16:54 1999
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> At 6:47 PM +0200 1999/9/24, Lauri Laupmaa wrote:
> 
> > I have a choice between 'Decade PM1554U2 PCI' and a 'Century
> > PM2654U2-R-16M PCI'raid controllers.
> >
> > I am interested if these are compatible with stable and what are
> > differences in those two...
> 
> 	Those are both SmartRAID V controllers.  The drivers for the 
> SmartRAID V haven't been released yet.  I'm hoping to get a 
> pre-release copy of the drivers and a loaner card so that I can do 
> some benchmarking with them.

Who is working on a SmartRAID V driver???

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Yes, it was the exact same spot :(
As soon as I hit the "ok" button after filling in ip address,
hostname/domain, etc., it caught the signal 11. I will try downloading the
floppies again and try it. I haven't looked, but perhaps there is a newer
snap. Mike




In <37ECF565.EA11AAAE@newsguy.com>, on 09/26/99 
   at 01:16 AM, "Daniel C. Sobral" <dcs@newsguy.com> said:

>"Michael A. Endsley" wrote:
>> 
>> If this is so (bad ram), then why could I:
>> 1). Install FreeBSD 3.0 with no problems
>> 2). Install FreeBSD 3.2 with no problems
>> 3). Upgrade Debian Linux from Hamm to Slink with no problems
>> 4). Install OS/2 Warp4 (and fixpaks) with no problems?

>It happens. RAM will blow you up depending on it's usage pattern. It
>might work for years, and then a simple change in the usage pattern will
>come up with the defect.

>> Also, I just as I was getting ready to get it bed, I turned on another
>> computer (P166) and tried it.
>> Guess what? It caught the signal 11 at the exact same spot.

>Exact same spot? Then it is *NOT* a RAM problem.

>--
>Daniel C. Sobral			(8-DCS)
>dcs@newsguy.com
>dcs@freebsd.org

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At 10:16 AM -0700 1999/9/25, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:

> Who is working on a SmartRAID V driver???

	I believe that DPT has contributed code to Simon Shapiro, the DPT 
SmartRAID driver developer for FreeBSD and Linux.

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I'm fairly sure that I used to:

vnconfig /dev/vn0c /some/file/some/where
newfs /dev/rvn0c

But this now gives:

[1:43:343]root@sabre:/usr/src/release/scripts> newfs /dev/rvn0c
newfs: ioctl (GDINFO): Invalid argument
newfs: /dev/rvn0c: can't read disk label; disk type must be specified

Now... you can't disklabel rvn0c, but you can disklabel rvn0, so:

[1:44:344]root@sabre:/usr/src/release/scripts> newfs /dev/rvn0 
newfs: /dev/rvn0: `0' partition is unavailable

Still doesn't work.  What changed?  What do I do?

I was doing this because I wanted to configure several vn's into vinum 
to test a command sequence for a very remote user.  Vinum also can't
seem to use or initialize vn0c.

   3: drive d0 device /dev/vn0c
** 3 Can't initialize drive d0: Invalid argument
Configuration summary

Drives:         0 (4 configured)
Volumes:        0 (4 configured)
Plexes:         0 (8 configured)
Subdisks:       0 (16 configured)

D d0                    State: down     Device /dev/vn0c        Avail: 0/0 MB

Dave.

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To: rsowders@usgs.gov (Robert Sowders)
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:25:21 -0700 (MST)
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As I recall, Robert Sowders wrote:
> I use Legato products because management bought it. Not
> because I think they are the best at what they do.  They are
> pretty good at marketing.  And I guess Bill Gates said it best
> "Success is making smart people think they need you".
> ....if only there was something else....

We use NetBackup from Veritas...

	-crl
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sat Sep 25 15:31:16 1999
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Well, I had 3.3-RC on my box and now I have 3.3-RELEASE.  I had no problems
at all except for one and that I tracked down to what I'll call user error.
I also have similar hardware as you do.

k6/2-300, 64mb ram, fic 503+ w/ VIA MVP4 chipset.

It may help to get a panic and possibly a crash dump to the list to get
someone's opinion on the errors your getting.

But to answer your original question, I don't believe there are issues
specific to 3.3-RC (or release) with your hardware that would cause frequent
(if any) panics.

-Chris

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Donald Burr [SMTP:dburr@pobox.com]
> Sent:	Friday, September 24, 1999 7:06 AM
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> Subject:	Stability problems in 3.3-R?
> 
> I just installed FreeBSD 3.3 on my machine (AMD K6-2/350, EPoX
> EP-MVP4A motherboard [VIA MVP4 chipset], 128 MB RAM).  (Actually, I am
> running 3.3-RC, `make world'ed about 1 week before release
> date)
> 
> However, my machine is now crashing at least once a day, sometimes more
> than once a day.  There is no regularity to the crashes, they seem to
> happen during periods of heavy use just as equally as during idle times.
> I've tried killing almost all of my daemons and servers, but that doesn't
> seem to help at all.
> 
> I'm beginning to suspect hardware instability.  HOWEVER, I have been
> reading some messages in freebsd-stable and there seem to be other people
> having stability problems with their boxen under 3.3, whereas the same
> hardware works perfectly under 3.2.  So I'm wondering if there any
> known stability issues with 3.3-RC, and will a cvsup and upgrade
> to 3.3-STABLE help me out?
> 
> Comments, anyone?  Thanks!
> (Please reply via email if possible)
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And - to add to this - I still can freeze up my pentium
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setiathome.

And - I've got DDB in the kernel, and ensured it's not overheating
(it will freeze up in less than a minute from a _very_ cold start.)

I don't get a panic, ddb prompt or anything - just a locked up machine.

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Just a update on 3.3
Today (25Sept) I downloaded the latest snap of 3.3 (19990925) and tried to
install it. I got the same signal 11 at the exact same spot as before! To
help with memory, it was just after filling in the blanks on the network
configuration screen. When I then clicked on the ok button, up popped the
"caught signal 11" screen! Now the weird part. I then used these same
disks to upgrade my 3.2 and it worked great! No problems on the software
side (I made a mistake on what to mount, but that was my fault). Perhaps
this should be sent to hackers or current?
Mike


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> Just a update on 3.3
> Today (25Sept) I downloaded the latest snap of 3.3 (19990925) and tried to
> install it. I got the same signal 11 at the exact same spot as before! To
> help with memory, it was just after filling in the blanks on the network
> configuration screen. When I then clicked on the ok button, up popped the
> "caught signal 11" screen! Now the weird part. I then used these same
> disks to upgrade my 3.2 and it worked great! No problems on the software
> side (I made a mistake on what to mount, but that was my fault). Perhaps
> this should be sent to hackers or current?

No.  You haven't included anything like enough information yet for the 
report to be at all useful.

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Mike,
Here is what is happening.
I downloaded the floppy files for 3.3 (19990923). I attempted to do a fresh install. Everything went fine
until I finished the "network configuration" screen. When I clicked ok (after filling in appropriate boxes),
a small screen popped up saying that it caught a signal 11!
I reported this to stable yesterday. Later that night, I tried the same installation on a different computer and
it caught the signal 11 at the EXACT same place! Both of these machines (Aptiva 233 mhz with 64megs ram
and Packard Bell  166mhz with 24 megs ram) have run FreeBSD 3.0, Debian Linux, OS2 Warp 3/4, Win 95,
and Redhat 5.2. The Aptiva is currently running FreeBSD 3.2. The Aptiva has worked with all 4 OS's including 
upgrading, fresh installations, etc.
3.2 I downloaded from the net, installed, and compiled. Then added lots of ports :)  Before that, I installed 3.0 
from my CD. Everything was worked flawlessly. Even installing fixpaks for OS/2 Warp4 from the net  worked
great. Also, I upgraded Debian from 2.0 to 2.1 over the net.
I don't think ram is the problem considering that the signal 11 is caught at the exact same spot on both machines.
What is strange is that today I tried a new installation of 3.3 on the Aptiva and again it caught the signal 11. 
However, the program worked flawlessly when I chose to upgrade my 3.2 system.
I hope this makes sense :)
Mike



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> > Just a update on 3.3
> > Today (25Sept) I downloaded the latest snap of 3.3 (19990925) and tried to
> > install it. I got the same signal 11 at the exact same spot as before! To
> > help with memory, it was just after filling in the blanks on the network
> > configuration screen. When I then clicked on the ok button, up popped the
> > "caught signal 11" screen! Now the weird part. I then used these same
> > disks to upgrade my 3.2 and it worked great! No problems on the software
> > side (I made a mistake on what to mount, but that was my fault). Perhaps
> > this should be sent to hackers or current?
> 
> No.  You haven't included anything like enough information yet for the 
> report to be at all useful.
> 
> -- 
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> \\  of the man.                   \\  msmith@freebsd.org
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I have and run the following:
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At 10:18 PM 09/25/1999 +0200, Bart Smit wrote:
>On Sun, 26 Sep 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote:
>
>> Exact same spot? Then it is *NOT* a RAM problem.
>
>He said it happened just after specifying the parameters for the network.
>NIC problem perhaps?
>
>(not cc-ing the list; I'm hardly convinced that this is NOT a hardware
>problem)
Sorry for not getting the stable address in my postings :(  
I am running 3 different machines here right now, and for now only one
email program will delete all
the mail from my server. Sometimes I get confused on who I am replying to.
If it is hardware, then why could I then turn around and use the same disks
to upgrade my 3.2 system?
Even on upgrading it brought up the network configuration screen. What
would be the difference?
Mike


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>
>
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Michael Endsley wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> Here is what is happening.

Here is what you are doing wrong when reporting it. When it catches
sig 11, it shows a hole bunch of meaningless data, right? Well, this
meaningless data is the stuff we use to trace bugs. Until you
provide that information, we cannot do anything.

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You haven't provided any more information, you've just used more words 
to describe the same situation.  This isn't helpful.

> Mike,
> Here is what is happening.
...
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Cc: Michael Endsley <multios@pctechnician.net>, mike@smith.net.au,
	thomas@hentschel.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: Signal 11 on 3.3 installation 
In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:00:43 +0900."
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 23:02:19 -0700
From: Mike Smith <mike@smith.net.au>
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> Michael Endsley wrote:
> > 
> > Mike,
> > Here is what is happening.
> 
> Here is what you are doing wrong when reporting it. When it catches
> sig 11, it shows a hole bunch of meaningless data, right? Well, this
> meaningless data is the stuff we use to trace bugs. Until you
> provide that information, we cannot do anything.

Actually, what we need is a complete hardware description of the 
system, the output on the debug console with hardware debugging turned 
up, and a confirmation that the problem persists with a fresh set of 
install floppies.

-- 
\\  The mind's the standard       \\  Mike Smith
\\  of the man.                   \\  msmith@freebsd.org
\\    -- Joseph Merrick           \\  msmith@cdrom.com




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