From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 24 16:21:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C565152DF for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:21:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22089; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:49:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAADWaO5Q; Mon Jan 24 16:49:29 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12330; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:49:39 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200001242349.QAA12330@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Advocacy opportunity To: grog@lemis.com Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:49:39 +0000 (GMT) Cc: brett@lariat.org (Brett Glass), jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (Jonathon McKitrick), tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20000122133716.J391@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> from "Greg Lehey" at Jan 22, 2000 01:37:16 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As an advocacy opportunity, Penton's "Embedded Systems Development" is running as it's February cover feature an article on Linux. The Exact text provided is: COVER FEATURE: The Linux phenomenon is substantially impacting the world of the enterprise. Not surprisingly, people are starting to consider its implications for embedded systems. This report will examine the initial efforts to move Linux into the embedded arena, both in terms of development platforms and as an embedded OS in its own right. In looking at Linux and embedded systems, we will examine issues of code size, interaction with other RTOSs, the potential for real-time performance, and the implications of the open source model. This would seem a perfect opportunity for at least a sidebar of a column or so on FreeBSD, and the difference in license. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 24 16:32:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from c006.sfo.cp.net (c006-h008.c006.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D02C15273 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:32:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ignacioc@avantel.net) Received: (cpmta 26668 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2000 16:32:18 -0800 Received: from unknown (HELO www) (200.39.243.236) by smtp.avantel.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2000 16:32:18 -0800 X-Sent: 25 Jan 2000 00:32:18 GMT Message-ID: <01b501bf66cb$4fed28c0$0c2d1cc0@redando.com> From: "Ignacio Cristerna" To: "Terry Lambert" , Cc: "Brett Glass" , "Jonathon McKitrick" , "Terry Lambert" , Subject: Re: Advocacy opportunity Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:29:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What does this mean? Does it mean someone´s gonna write the sidebar or only wishful thinking? Please elaborate as I know this magazine and think it has a lot of readers. Have fun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 24 21:37:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1362615389 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:37:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from workhorse (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03710; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:35:43 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000124223321.01bd85d0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:35:39 -0700 To: Terry Lambert , grog@lemis.com From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Advocacy opportunity Cc: jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (Jonathon McKitrick), tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200001242349.QAA12330@usr06.primenet.com> References: <20000122133716.J391@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry: Given that it's a February issue, this is probably a long-missed opportunity. Remember that the cover date of most publications is the date they go OFF the stands, not on; a "February" issue is customarily distributed in January. Also, most magazines have two to three months of editorial lead time. Smaller pubs tend to have longer lead times, because printing costs are lower when material is supplied to the printer farther in advance. --Brett At 04:49 PM 1/24/2000 , Terry Lambert wrote: >As an advocacy opportunity, Penton's "Embedded Systems Development" >is running as it's February cover feature an article on Linux. > >The Exact text provided is: > > COVER FEATURE: The Linux phenomenon is substantially > impacting the world of the enterprise. Not surprisingly, > people are starting to consider its implications for > embedded systems. This report will examine the initial > efforts to move Linux into the embedded arena, both in > terms of development platforms and as an embedded OS in > its own right. In looking at Linux and embedded systems, > we will examine issues of code size, interaction with > other RTOSs, the potential for real-time performance, and > the implications of the open source model. > >This would seem a perfect opportunity for at least a sidebar of >a column or so on FreeBSD, and the difference in license. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org >--- >Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present >or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 25 12:51:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27496153EC for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:51:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id HAA41946; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:20:33 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:20:33 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Brett Glass Cc: Terry Lambert , Jonathon McKitrick , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Advocacy opportunity Message-ID: <20000126072033.A41924@freebie.lemis.com> References: <20000122133716.J391@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> <200001242349.QAA12330@usr06.primenet.com> <4.2.2.20000124223321.01bd85d0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000124223321.01bd85d0@localhost> WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 24 January 2000 at 22:35:39 -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > At 04:49 PM 1/24/2000 , Terry Lambert wrote: > >> As an advocacy opportunity, Penton's "Embedded Systems Development" >> is running as it's February cover feature an article on Linux. >> >> The Exact text provided is: >> >> COVER FEATURE: The Linux phenomenon is substantially >> impacting the world of the enterprise. Not surprisingly, >> people are starting to consider its implications for >> embedded systems. This report will examine the initial >> efforts to move Linux into the embedded arena, both in >> terms of development platforms and as an embedded OS in >> its own right. In looking at Linux and embedded systems, >> we will examine issues of code size, interaction with >> other RTOSs, the potential for real-time performance, and >> the implications of the open source model. >> >> This would seem a perfect opportunity for at least a sidebar of >> a column or so on FreeBSD, and the difference in license. > > Given that it's a February issue, this is probably a long-missed > opportunity. Remember that the cover date of most publications is > the date they go OFF the stands, not on; a "February" issue is > customarily distributed in January. Also, most magazines have > two to three months of editorial lead time. Smaller pubs tend > to have longer lead times, because printing costs are lower > when material is supplied to the printer farther in advance. That may be the case in general. It doesn't apply for Daemon News. Submit a suitable article in the next day or two, and they'll include it in the February issue. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 26 0: 5: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from freenix.no (freenix.no [195.139.70.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C2915154 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:05:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from morten@freenix.no) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freenix.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA43745 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:09:49 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:09:48 +0100 (MET) From: "Morten A. Middelthon" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: cnn.com - "King of the network operating systems" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/01/24/NOS.idg/index.html In this article the two authors tests four different "network operating systems", or NOS, RedHat Linux, MS Windows 2000, Netware and SCO Unixware. The authors claims that these are the major NOSs on the market today, but I feel FreeBSD should be on this list too, especially when there are so many larger companies and organizations using FreeBSD. I sent an email to the authors telling them about FreeBSD and I got this reply, "Good point... Definitely a consideration for the next review. Thanks for the feedback!" So if others would like send a similar comment to them (john_bass@ncsu.edu, james_robinson@ncsu.edu) maybe they will include FreeBSD in their next article. (btw, Linux came out last in the test, W2K first). -- Morten A. Middelthon Freenix Norge http://www.freenix.no/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 26 0:23: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.uunet.ca (mail6.uunet.ca [142.77.1.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3E31515F for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:23:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET) Received: from w01.arpa-canada.net ([216.95.146.6]) by mail6.uunet.ca with ESMTP id <232565-29915>; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 03:22:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 03:22:58 -0500 From: Matt Heckaman X-Sender: matt@w01.arpa-canada.net To: "Morten A. Middelthon" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cnn.com - "King of the network operating systems" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Morten A. Middelthon wrote: : Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 03:09:48 -0500 : From: Morten A. Middelthon : To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org : Subject: cnn.com - "King of the network operating systems" [...] : (btw, Linux came out last in the test, W2K first). [...] That, is a very scary thing! -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 26 4:14:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3722114CF5 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 04:14:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01664; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:13:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <200001261213.HAA01664@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: cnn.com - "King of the network operating systems" In-Reply-To: from Matt Heckaman at "Jan 26, 2000 3:22:58 am" To: matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET (Matt Heckaman) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:13:17 -0500 (EST) Cc: morten@freenix.no, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > : (btw, Linux came out last in the test, W2K first). > [...] > > That, is a very scary thing! > > -Matt Uh, not quite. The intro said Linux was last. If you read the article, though, Linux beat Win2k on a variety of fronts. It looks like the people to *really* beat are Novell. But that's no surprise... Win2k is just a more well-known target. ==ml To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 26 9:22:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from wondermutt.net (host75-157.student.udel.edu [128.175.75.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CF715238 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:22:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from papalia@udel.edu) Received: from morgaine (morgaine.wondermutt.net [192.168.1.2]) by wondermutt.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA02823; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:22:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from papalia@udel.edu) Message-Id: <4.1.20000126121045.00974640@mail.udel.edu> X-Sender: papalia@mail.udel.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:20:03 -0500 To: "Morten A. Middelthon" , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: John Subject: Re: cnn.com - "King of the network operating systems" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey all, So, I read that whole article, and I thought about formulating a letter to the authors. I was hoping that someone with more experience would do that though... below are the reasons. I know you have to pick your battles carefully, and given that I'm relatively new to this "battle", I was hoping someone could shed light on whether or not it's truly worth the effort - When you read the article, it reads (IMHO) as a blatant advertisement for W2K, with only afterthoughts put in to the other 3 OS's. Everything is "W2K" can do this, but XYZ os "can't do this". - Last time someone pointed out an "NT vs Linux" comparison, it was revealed, if I recall correctly, that MS engineers were invited in to tweak the NT box, while the Linux box was left as "out of the box". - The indicate for their r/w performance test, the used Samba on the Linux box, but don't indicate why or what version. I don't understand why they'd do that? Could someone explain? Is it just because their test software was windows based? - They rate the admin and other tools, and it seems (again, IMHO) that if something was not a "simple point and click interface", it was no good. Well, I guess that yes, GUI makes things easy, and if they had to tweak a .conf file they'd rate it as "poor", but is this really a true rating of the OS? - They're overall rating and explanation at the end (wrap up) tells almost nothing informative... The problem here is that the general public will read this, and the "masses" out there are the point-and-click Bill Gates generation of users... so... how to diseminate better information? Just my thoughts.... i have a hatred of misleading information (hence I stopped watching the news - on a regular basis at least - 6 years ago ;-) ) Thanks for listening, John >http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/01/24/NOS.idg/index.html > >In this article the two authors tests four different "network operating >systems", or NOS, RedHat Linux, MS Windows 2000, Netware and SCO Unixware. >The authors claims that these are the major NOSs on the market today, but >I feel FreeBSD should be on this list too, especially when there are so >many larger companies and organizations using FreeBSD. I sent an email to >the authors telling them about FreeBSD and I got this reply, > >"Good point... Definitely a consideration for the next review. >Thanks for the feedback!" > >So if others would like send a similar comment to them >(john_bass@ncsu.edu, james_robinson@ncsu.edu) maybe they will include >FreeBSD in their next article. > >(btw, Linux came out last in the test, W2K first). > >-- >Morten A. Middelthon >Freenix Norge >http://www.freenix.no/ > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 26 9:28:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D78A1539C for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:28:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lynch@bsd.unix.sh) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10558; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:27:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:27:45 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: John Cc: "Morten A. Middelthon" , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cnn.com - "King of the network operating systems" In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000126121045.00974640@mail.udel.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I already drafted my opinion of the article in a very non-confrontational manner, I granted W2k some points in it favor, and then challenged them to have a suitable tuned kernel and FreeBSD and the same benchmarks. I also talked a little about softupdates and several other "features" -Pat __ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net lynch@unix.sh lynch@blowfi.sh Systems Administrator Rush Networking On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, John wrote: > Hey all, > > So, I read that whole article, and I thought about formulating a letter to > the authors. I was hoping that someone with more experience would do that > though... below are the reasons. I know you have to pick your battles > carefully, and given that I'm relatively new to this "battle", I was hoping > someone could shed light on whether or not it's truly worth the effort > > - When you read the article, it reads (IMHO) as a blatant advertisement for > W2K, with only afterthoughts put in to the other 3 OS's. Everything is > "W2K" can do this, but XYZ os "can't do this". > > - Last time someone pointed out an "NT vs Linux" comparison, it was > revealed, if I recall correctly, that MS engineers were invited in to tweak > the NT box, while the Linux box was left as "out of the box". > > - The indicate for their r/w performance test, the used Samba on the Linux > box, but don't indicate why or what version. I don't understand why they'd > do that? Could someone explain? Is it just because their test software was > windows based? > > - They rate the admin and other tools, and it seems (again, IMHO) that if > something was not a "simple point and click interface", it was no good. > Well, I guess that yes, GUI makes things easy, and if they had to tweak a > .conf file they'd rate it as "poor", but is this really a true rating of > the OS? > > - They're overall rating and explanation at the end (wrap up) tells almost > nothing informative... > > The problem here is that the general public will read this, and the > "masses" out there are the point-and-click Bill Gates generation of > users... so... how to diseminate better information? > > Just my thoughts.... i have a hatred of misleading information (hence I > stopped watching the news - on a regular basis at least - 6 years ago ;-) ) > > Thanks for listening, > John > > > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/01/24/NOS.idg/index.html > > > >In this article the two authors tests four different "network operating > >systems", or NOS, RedHat Linux, MS Windows 2000, Netware and SCO Unixware. > >The authors claims that these are the major NOSs on the market today, but > >I feel FreeBSD should be on this list too, especially when there are so > >many larger companies and organizations using FreeBSD. I sent an email to > >the authors telling them about FreeBSD and I got this reply, > > > >"Good point... Definitely a consideration for the next review. > >Thanks for the feedback!" > > > >So if others would like send a similar comment to them > >(john_bass@ncsu.edu, james_robinson@ncsu.edu) maybe they will include > >FreeBSD in their next article. > > > >(btw, Linux came out last in the test, W2K first). > > > >-- > >Morten A. Middelthon > >Freenix Norge > >http://www.freenix.no/ > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 26 13:20:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A74B14E3C for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:20:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.166]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA1BBB for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:20:37 +0100 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23337 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:20:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:20:35 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Slashdot vote Message-ID: <20000126222035.L290@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG All you whom have a slashdot account please vote jkh for in the $10000 category `Unsung Hero' Cheers, =) -- Jeroen Ruigrok vd W/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|bart.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/B-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project How the gods kill... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 26 13:35:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCDE15449 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 13:35:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from w@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id WAA07404 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:35:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from w@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from w@localhost) by paula.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.8.8) id WAA03785 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:33:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from w) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:33:55 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: [mitch@larionov.netline.com: Something for "In The News..."] Message-ID: <20000126223355.B3755@paula.panke.de.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Forwarded message from Mitch Wright ----- Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:58:20 -0800 (PST) From: Mitch Wright To: wosch@freebsd.org Subject: Something for "In The News..." Here is an article (will be a series of articles) on FreeBSD. You might want to add it to www.freebsd.org's "In The News" list of links. http://www.linux.com/featured_articles/20000126/270/ -- do svidaniya, ~mitch ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Wolfram Schneider http://wolfram.schneider.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 27 13:53:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 698F81574E for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 13:53:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17108; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:52:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpdAAApVaarH; Thu Jan 27 14:52:48 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17855; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:52:48 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200001272152.OAA17855@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Advocacy opportunity To: brett@lariat.org (Brett Glass) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:52:47 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), grog@lemis.com, jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (Jonathon McKitrick), advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000124223321.01bd85d0@localhost> from "Brett Glass" at Jan 24, 2000 10:35:39 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Terry: > > Given that it's a February issue, this is probably a long-missed > opportunity. Remember that the cover date of most publications is > the date they go OFF the stands, not on; a "February" issue is > customarily distributed in January. Also, most magazines have > two to three months of editorial lead time. Smaller pubs tend > to have longer lead times, because printing costs are lower > when material is supplied to the printer farther in advance. Their ad close is 1/7/2000, so you are probably right. But they have a calendar that shows an ad close of 2/7/2000 for March with a "Watch Point" on "Embedded Operating Systems", which is the opportunity. Note that I said it was an opportunity for a sidebar. It would be better if there were someone tracking these things, or a central place we could put calendar references so that interested people could specifically target topical issues (this goes for all periodicals, not just Penton's). May has an opportunity for anyone doing CompactPCI on FreeBSD. June has an opportunity for anyone doing FreeBSD with "system on a chip". July has "Java and Embedded Systems" and "Navigation". August would be good for FreeBSD cross-compilation tools and remote debugging. Etc. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 27 14: 0:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from majordomo2.umd.edu (majordomo2.umd.edu [128.8.10.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB5F14BC5 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:00:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac4.wam.umd.edu (root@rac4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.144]) by majordomo2.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05454 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac4.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA23585 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by rac4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23581 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:00:36 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac4.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:00:36 -0500 (EST) From: James Howard To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Another advocacy opportunity Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sitting in someone's office the other day, I happened to pick uo his copy of _InformationWeek_ and started sifting through it. I came upon an interesting article about caching dynamic web content. But the important part of the column was at the bottom where this text lie: In My Humble Opinion is an occasional column expressing the opinions of InformationWeek readers. Submissions of up to 750 words can be sent to imho@cmp.com. Only writers being considered for publication will be contacted. When I saw this, it felt like it was screaming write about FreeBSD! :) So to that end, I wrote the following, but first a few notes. I have not come up with a title yet, so it just reads "Foo Baz"; suggestions are welcome. Since _InformationWeek_ is the target, the audience are PHBs. I have tried to write with that in mind. Also, I want as close to 750 words as possible. Right now, it is at 569. So there is quite a bit of room to play with if anyone has ideas or suggestions. For statistics with both Hotmail and Yahoo!, I left the numbers as XX. I do not have them. I have called both companies but have not heard back yet. If anyone can fill me in, I would be most grateful. In the last paragraph, I try to "sell" it. I think this may need some work. Finally, I'd like a paragraph on security but feel unqualified to write it. If someone can give me a list of viable facts, I can put these into some kind of cohesive paragraph. Also, if you all think I have written this just too poorly, or it is well written but I should take it to someone else, or that I am simply an idiot, please feel free to say so. :) But enough yammering, please read it now: Foo Baz James Howard howardjp@glue.umd.edu With the recent hype surrounding open source software, an important project has gone unnoticed in the media. This project, FreeBSD, aims to create a rock-solid UNIX clone based on the 4BSD work from the University of California at Berkeley. Begun in 1977 , the BSD tradition of outstanding software design and innovation continues with FreeBSD. Today, FreeBSD supports a wide array of enterprise class components for the Intel x86 and Compaq Alpha architectures and is available at not cost via the Internet or for only $39.95 on CD from Walnut Creek. FreeBSD looks and feels like UNIX offering industry standard tools including a best of breed TCP/IP stack, the standard TCP/IP services, the X Windows System, the Perl scripting language, a C/C++ compiler and related development tools, an NFS client and server, and the customary array of UNIX utilities. The developers aim for POSIX compliance and maintaining compatibility with traditional UNIX environments. FreeBSD has clearly shown its strength as an industrial web server platform. Yahoo! uses FreeBSD to deliver XX million page hits a week, to its customers. Microsoft's Hotmail service uses FreeBSD as the front end to service XX million users. Walnut Creek's FreeBSD powered FTP server, ftp.cdrom.com, serves 750,000 users daily and set an Internet record transferring 1.39 terabytes of data in one day. FreeBSD also supports a wide array of applications software. FreeBSD maintains a database of over 3000 applications which can be optionally installed. This database, called the Ports Collection, contains just enough information that with a simple ``make install'' the application is downloaded, configured, built, and installed without user intervention. The Ports Collection contains applications like the web server Apache, the SQL database PostgreSQL, the web application server PHP, Sun Microsystem's Java Development Kit, Netscape Communicator, and Corel WordPerfect. The Ports Collection also contains traditional UNIX add-ons including Emacs, Tcl/Tk, tcsh, along with modern UNIX additions such as GNOME, KDE, MySQL, and AbiWord. Also included are many tools translated for Chinese, German, Japanese, Korean, Russian, and Vietnamese speakers. And if that is not enough, most UNIX programs available in source form will compile on FreeBSD with little or no modification. FreeBSD is developed by a group of over 150 volunteers who work on an ongoing basis to ensure its reliability and stability. Two separate versions are developed simultaneously. The first, called FreeBSD-STABLE, is slowly moving, but more stable and reliable than the second. The second, called FreeBSD-CURRENT, is less stable and more prone to problems than -STABLE. -CURRENT also includes the latest drivers and features, but with less testing. All changes made to -CURRENT migrate to -STABLE after significant testing. With over 100 updates, additions, and bug fixes made to the two branches each day, several easy and simple means of keeping a FreeBSD installation updated have been developed, each with a distinct niche. Additionally, daily snapshots of both branches are released via the Internet for testing and usage, as well as regularly scheduled releases. FreeBSD can meet the needs of large and industrial servers for most potential users. The enormous number of available applications makes it attractive as a workstation as well. The rapid and stable development of FreeBSD to support new hardware, fix bugs, and improve performance shows no signs of slowing down. FreeBSD should be on your to do list. For more information about FreeBSD or to download it for free, point your web browser to http://www.freebsd.com. -- Jamie Howard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 27 14:10:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D749B14E59 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:10:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7241B1C4D; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:10:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:10:33 -0500 From: Bill Fumerola To: James Howard Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another advocacy opportunity Message-ID: <20000127171033.E20803@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from howardjp@wam.umd.edu on Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 05:00:36PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 05:00:36PM -0500, James Howard wrote: > FreeBSD is developed by a group of over 150 volunteers who work on 180, now. > For more information about FreeBSD or to download it for free, point > your web browser to http://www.freebsd.com. www.FreeBSD.org, actually. Yes, .com works, but .org is the 'official' site. Looks excellent, otherwise. -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect Computer Horizons Corp - CVM e-mail: billf@chc-chimes.com / billf@FreeBSD.org Office: 800-252-2421 x128 / Cell: 248-761-7272 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 27 14:15:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from s1.ds.net (s1.ds.net [207.239.204.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C78156BF for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 14:15:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmutter@ds.net) Received: from ds.net (i1p90.cmh-oh.ds.net [207.239.205.90]) by s1.ds.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17003; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:15:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3890C38E.F15286CD@ds.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:15:42 -0500 From: "James A. Mutter" Reply-To: jmutter@ds.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: James Howard Subject: Re: Another advocacy opportunity References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > FreeBSD is developed by a group of over 150 volunteers who work on > an ongoing basis to ensure its reliability and stability. Two separate > versions are developed simultaneously. The first, called FreeBSD-STABLE, > is slowly moving, but more stable and reliable than the second. The > second, called FreeBSD-CURRENT, is less stable and more prone to problems > than -STABLE. -CURRENT also includes the latest drivers and features, > but with less testing. All changes made to -CURRENT migrate to -STABLE > after significant testing. With over 100 updates, additions, and bug > fixes made to the two branches each day, several easy and simple means > of keeping a FreeBSD installation updated have been developed, each > with a distinct niche. Additionally, daily snapshots of both branches > are released via the Internet for testing and usage, as well as regularly > scheduled releases. I don't like the statement that FreeBSD-STABLE is "more stable and reliable than the second". It implies that FreeBSD-Current is not stable and that FreeBSD-Stable is only marginally better than FreeBSD-Current. I wouldn't even mention stability problems with -STABLE (I think that this is fair) and then I would recharacterize -CURRENT as a developers only release where new feature/ideas/concepts are properly tested before being merged into the -STABLE branch. > > FreeBSD can meet the needs of large and industrial servers for most > potential users. The enormous number of available applications makes > it attractive as a workstation as well. The rapid and stable development > of FreeBSD to support new hardware, fix bugs, and improve performance > shows no signs of slowing down. FreeBSD should be on your to do list. > For more information about FreeBSD or to download it for free, point > your web browser to http://www.freebsd.com. > Again, just a wording issue, but I would change the first sentence to: FreeBSD consistently meets the needs .. for it's users... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 27 16:11: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7F215939 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:11:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12197; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:09:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000127170810.00bf22c0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:09:14 -0700 To: Terry Lambert From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Advocacy opportunity Cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), grog@lemis.com, jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (Jonathon McKitrick), advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200001272152.OAA17855@usr02.primenet.com> References: <4.2.2.20000124223321.01bd85d0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 02:52 PM 1/27/2000 , Terry Lambert wrote: >Their ad close is 1/7/2000, so you are probably right. > >But they have a calendar >that shows an ad close of 2/7/2000 for March with a "Watch Point" >on "Embedded Operating Systems", which is the opportunity. Actually, there is likely to be a writing opportunity in every issue. FreeBSD is enough of a "Swiss Army knife" that no matter what the subject there should be a way to fit it in. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 27 17:27:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08B215724 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:27:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (root@rac9.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.149]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07497; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA05953; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05949; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:27:33 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac9.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:27:33 -0500 (EST) From: James Howard To: Bill Fumerola Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another advocacy opportunity In-Reply-To: <20000127171033.E20803@jade.chc-chimes.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Bill Fumerola wrote: > 180, now. Just updated. Kind of related, how does that compare to say, MacOS or BeOS or Windows? > www.FreeBSD.org, actually. Yes, .com works, but .org is the 'official' site. I used .com intentionally trying to convey a more professional appearance. Yes? No? Wouldyou like fries with that? Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 27 18:15:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from majordomo2.umd.edu (majordomo2.umd.edu [128.8.10.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D18D15C22 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:15:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (root@rac9.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.149]) by majordomo2.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15175; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:15:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA07588; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:15:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07582; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:15:26 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac9.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:15:26 -0500 (EST) From: James Howard To: "James A. Mutter" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another advocacy opportunity In-Reply-To: <3890C38E.F15286CD@ds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, James A. Mutter wrote: > > FreeBSD is developed by a group of over 150 volunteers who work on > > an ongoing basis to ensure its reliability and stability. Two separate > > versions are developed simultaneously. The first, called FreeBSD-STABLE, > > is slowly moving, but more stable and reliable than the second. The > > second, called FreeBSD-CURRENT, is less stable and more prone to problems > > than -STABLE. -CURRENT also includes the latest drivers and features, > > but with less testing. All changes made to -CURRENT migrate to -STABLE > > after significant testing. With over 100 updates, additions, and bug > > fixes made to the two branches each day, several easy and simple means > > of keeping a FreeBSD installation updated have been developed, each > > with a distinct niche. Additionally, daily snapshots of both branches > > are released via the Internet for testing and usage, as well as regularly > > scheduled releases. > > I don't like the statement that FreeBSD-STABLE is "more stable and > reliable than the second". It implies that FreeBSD-Current is not > stable and that FreeBSD-Stable is only marginally better than > FreeBSD-Current. I wouldn't even mention stability problems with > -STABLE (I think that this is fair) and then I would recharacterize > -CURRENT as a developers only release where new feature/ideas/concepts > are properly tested before being merged into the -STABLE branch. How does this revised version strike you: FreeBSD is developed by a group of over 150 volunteers who work on an ongoing basis to ensure its reliability and stability. Two separate versions are developed simultaneously. The first, called FreeBSD-STABLE is targetted and end users and professionals. The second, FreeBSD-CURRENT, is aimed at developers and testers often including new ideas and features. -CURRENT also includes the latest drivers and but with less testing. All changes made to -CURRENT migrate to -STABLE after significant testing. With over 100 updates, additions, and bug fixes made to the two branches each day, several easy and simple means of keeping a FreeBSD installation updated have been developed, each with a distinct niche. Additionally, daily snapshots of both branches are released via the Internet for testing and usage, as well as regularly scheduled releases. I onyl changed a couple sentences, but this sounds a lot better in my opinion. What do you think? > > FreeBSD can meet the needs of large and industrial servers for most > > potential users. The enormous number of available applications makes > > it attractive as a workstation as well. The rapid and stable development > > of FreeBSD to support new hardware, fix bugs, and improve performance > > shows no signs of slowing down. FreeBSD should be on your to do list. > > For more information about FreeBSD or to download it for free, point > > your web browser to http://www.freebsd.com. > > Again, just a wording issue, but I would change the first sentence to: > FreeBSD consistently meets the needs .. for it's users... Good call, done. Thank you, J To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 27 18:58:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FBD15A52 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:58:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id SAA18498; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:58:00 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id SAA27185; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:58:00 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn0.utah.xylan.com [198.206.184.236]) by omni.xylan.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (Xylan engr [SPOOL])) with ESMTP id SAA17874; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:57:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <389106DE.7E1761B6@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:02:54 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Howard Cc: Bill Fumerola , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another advocacy opportunity References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG James Howard wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > 180, now. > > Just updated. Kind of related, how does that compare to say, MacOS or > BeOS or Windows? "Nearly 200." ;^) I don't know. Be has a lot less than 180 developers, I think they have less than 180 employees. Apple almost certainly has more than that, probably more than that working on OS X. I can find out if it isn't confidential. I'm certain there are more than 200 developers working on anything of note at Microsoft. They seem to be a "throw bodies at it" type of shop. > > www.FreeBSD.org, actually. Yes, .com works, but .org is the 'official' site. > > I used .com intentionally trying to convey a more professional > appearance. Yes? No? Wouldyou like fries with that? No. Who says .org's are unprofessional? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 27 19:13:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0B215790 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:13:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id TAA18612; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:12:31 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id TAA27596; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:12:31 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn0.utah.xylan.com [198.206.184.236]) by omni.xylan.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (Xylan engr [SPOOL])) with ESMTP id TAA18584; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:12:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38910A46.73EE0191@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:17:26 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Howard Cc: "James A. Mutter" , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another advocacy opportunity References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG James Howard wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, James A. Mutter wrote: > > > > FreeBSD is developed by a group of over 150 volunteers who work on > > > an ongoing basis to ensure its reliability and stability. Two separate > > > versions are developed simultaneously. The first, called FreeBSD-STABLE, > > > is slowly moving, but more stable and reliable than the second. The > > > second, called FreeBSD-CURRENT, is less stable and more prone to problems > > > than -STABLE. -CURRENT also includes the latest drivers and features, > > > but with less testing. All changes made to -CURRENT migrate to -STABLE > > > after significant testing. With over 100 updates, additions, and bug > > > fixes made to the two branches each day, several easy and simple means > > > of keeping a FreeBSD installation updated have been developed, each > > > with a distinct niche. Additionally, daily snapshots of both branches > > > are released via the Internet for testing and usage, as well as regularly > > > scheduled releases. > > > > I don't like the statement that FreeBSD-STABLE is "more stable and > > reliable than the second". It implies that FreeBSD-Current is not > > stable and that FreeBSD-Stable is only marginally better than > > FreeBSD-Current. I wouldn't even mention stability problems with > > -STABLE (I think that this is fair) and then I would recharacterize > > -CURRENT as a developers only release where new feature/ideas/concepts > > are properly tested before being merged into the -STABLE branch. > > How does this revised version strike you: > > FreeBSD is developed by a group of over 150 volunteers who work > on an ongoing basis to ensure its reliability and stability. Two > separate versions are developed simultaneously. The first, called > FreeBSD-STABLE is targetted and end users and professionals. The > second, FreeBSD-CURRENT, is aimed at developers and testers often > including new ideas and features. -CURRENT also includes the > latest drivers and but with less testing. All changes made to > -CURRENT migrate to -STABLE after significant testing. With over > 100 updates, additions, and bug fixes made to the two branches > each day, several easy and simple means of keeping a FreeBSD > installation updated have been developed, each with a distinct > niche. Additionally, daily snapshots of both branches are > released via the Internet for testing and usage, as well as > regularly scheduled releases. > > I onyl changed a couple sentences, but this sounds a lot better in my > opinion. What do you think? Much better, but run-on. See how you feel about this: FreeBSD is developed by a group of nearly 200 volunteers who work on an ongoing basis to ensure its reliability and stability. Two separate versions or ``branches'' are developed simultaneously. The FreeBSD-STABLE branch is targeted at end users and professionals. The FreeBSD-CURRENT branch where the leading edge development occurs, and is intended developers and testers. Important changes made to the CURRENT branch migrate to the STABLE branch after significant testing and review. With over 100 updates, additions, and bug fixes made to the two branches each day, several easy and simple means of keeping a FreeBSD installation updated have been developed, each with a distinct niche. Additionally, daily snapshots of both branches are released via the Internet for testing and usage, as well as regularly scheduled releases. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 27 19:14: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from wondermutt.net (host75-157.student.udel.edu [128.175.75.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03AB514CAB for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:14:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from papalia@udel.edu) Received: from morgaine (morgaine.wondermutt.net [192.168.1.2]) by wondermutt.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA07431; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:14:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from papalia@udel.edu) Message-Id: <4.1.20000127220922.00952e40@mail.udel.edu> X-Sender: papalia@mail.udel.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:10:42 -0500 To: Wes Peters , James Howard From: John Subject: Re: Another advocacy opportunity Cc: Bill Fumerola , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <389106DE.7E1761B6@softweyr.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> > 180, now. >> >> Just updated. Kind of related, how does that compare to say, MacOS or >> BeOS or Windows? > >"Nearly 200." ;^) > >I don't know. Be has a lot less than 180 developers, I think they have less >than 180 employees. Apple almost certainly has more than that, probably >more than that working on OS X. I can find out if it isn't confidential. > >I'm certain there are more than 200 developers working on anything of note >at Microsoft. They seem to be a "throw bodies at it" type of shop. Unless I'm WAY off, MS is a "program by committee" type of organization. The bigger the project, the bigger the committee. A good example of this can be seen just amongst applications with in the MS Office suites and how you set various "program options" as well as WHICH program options you can set. Details, i think, would just be boring, and don't belong here :) --John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 27 20:39:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from majordomo2.umd.edu (majordomo2.umd.edu [128.8.10.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC16158C1 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 20:39:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (root@rac9.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.149]) by majordomo2.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20645; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac9.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA15665; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by rac9.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15661; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:39:38 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac9.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:39:38 -0500 (EST) From: James Howard To: Wes Peters Cc: "James A. Mutter" , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another advocacy opportunity In-Reply-To: <38910A46.73EE0191@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Wes Peters wrote: > FreeBSD is developed by a group of nearly 200 volunteers who work on > an ongoing basis to ensure its reliability and stability. Two > separate versions or ``branches'' are developed simultaneously. The > FreeBSD-STABLE branch is targeted at end users and professionals. The > FreeBSD-CURRENT branch where the leading edge development occurs, and > is intended developers and testers. Important changes made to the ^for > CURRENT branch migrate to the STABLE branch after significant testing > and review. > > With over 100 updates, additions, and bug fixes made to the two > branches each day, several easy and simple means of keeping a FreeBSD > installation updated have been developed, each with a distinct niche. > Additionally, daily snapshots of both branches are released via the > Internet for testing and usage, as well as regularly scheduled > releases. I like this a lot more than what I had. Fixing the minor problem above, I'll replace the current text with this if nobody says anything by morning. Does this count as writing by committee? :) I am posing this question again: How can I explain why the FreeBSD security model is better than Linux/WinNT/Solaris/whatever. I find it difficult to explain and think that means it will be difficult to understand for someone not steeped in the culture. Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 27 22:49:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F394414CCD for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:49:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id WAA19641; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:48:21 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id WAA03344; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:48:20 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn0.utah.xylan.com [198.206.184.236]) by omni.xylan.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (Xylan engr [SPOOL])) with ESMTP id WAA28208; Thu, 27 Jan 2000 22:48:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38913CDB.4622F6D7@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:53:15 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Howard Cc: "James A. Mutter" , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another advocacy opportunity References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG James Howard wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Wes Peters wrote: > > > FreeBSD is developed by a group of nearly 200 volunteers who work on > > an ongoing basis to ensure its reliability and stability. Two > > separate versions or ``branches'' are developed simultaneously. The > > FreeBSD-STABLE branch is targeted at end users and professionals. The > > FreeBSD-CURRENT branch where the leading edge development occurs, and > > is intended developers and testers. Important changes made to the > ^for > > > CURRENT branch migrate to the STABLE branch after significant testing > > and review. > > > > With over 100 updates, additions, and bug fixes made to the two > > branches each day, several easy and simple means of keeping a FreeBSD > > installation updated have been developed, each with a distinct niche. > > Additionally, daily snapshots of both branches are released via the > > Internet for testing and usage, as well as regularly scheduled > > releases. > > I like this a lot more than what I had. Fixing the minor problem above, > I'll replace the current text with this if nobody says anything by > morning. Does this count as writing by committee? :) No, but it might count as editing by committee. Making someone else's writing 1% better is a lot less work than writing in the first place. ;^) > I am posing this question again: How can I explain why the FreeBSD > security model is better than Linux/WinNT/Solaris/whatever. I find it > difficult to explain and think that means it will be difficult to > understand for someone not steeped in the culture. I wish I could explain it, too. I'm working on something along those lines for the March Daemon's Advocate, but the thoughts are a long way from jelling, let alone having them down on disk. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jan 28 0:38:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD39614D8C for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:38:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id JAA18077; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:36:44 +0100 (MET) Received: by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu (Linux Smail3.2.0.92 #1) id m12E6ub-000ooKC; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:37:49 +0000 () Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:37:49 +0100 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another advocacy opportunity Message-ID: <20000128093749.A23717@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <389106DE.7E1761B6@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <389106DE.7E1761B6@softweyr.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 08:02:54PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > James Howard wrote: > > > > On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > > > 180, now. Hello guys, I am sorry that I can only write to you now when perhaps all this is already obsolete but it's only now morning in Europe:-) So is the above number the number of committers we have? If so, I think this "number of developers" thing might need a bit of rewording, perhaps, to make it look as big a deal as it is. It is true that there are the committers but development is surely done by a lot more people than that. If we write "nearly 200" and the reader happens to have heard of Linux, they might think: Linux has much more volunteers working on that, it must be better. If the reader thinks of big corporations, they might think: but there are many more professional developers for sure at any big company, they must be better. Not everybody knows the (IMHO exemplary) development/support/bug-tracking model we use, it could be a good topic for another article (hint:-) but until it is widely known we must avoid the impression that the whole OS is made just by a couple of die-hards who are desperate for attention... instead the advantage of having this many skilled developers evaluate changes should be emphasized... How about this: "FreeBSD is developed by a large group of volunteers worldwide and nearly 200 skilled developers (the so-called committers) evaluate each proposed change carefully in order to ensure reliability and stability on an ongoing basis." Just my $0.02... Regards: Szilveszter ADAM -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Szilveszter ADAM * JATE Szeged * email: sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu * * Homepage : none * alternate email: cc@flanker.itl.net.ua * * Finger sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu for PGP key. * * I prefer using the door instead of Windows(tm)... * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jan 28 5:24:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B98A156DD for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 05:24:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lynch@bsd.unix.sh) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA26602 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:24:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:24:18 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: SMN kicks Augustin's butt. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://slashdot.org/interviews/00/01/27/1118251.shtml near the bottom of the page there are comments by StarMedia employees regarding the fact that Augustin said we buy consulting from them and use Linux. (specific comments by firestarter666, ryan_nelson, benedict, Cellechan). We essentially made a public announcement about buying VA boxes and usign FreeBSD on them. -Pat __ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net lynch@unix.sh lynch@blowfi.sh Systems Administrator Rush Networking To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jan 28 6:13:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net [206.206.98.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C8114E5E for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:13:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-027.thuntek.net [207.66.52.27]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA41202; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:13:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Message-ID: <3891A457.61BCBEAA@thuntek.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:14:47 -0700 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Silver Lynx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pat Lynch Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMN kicks Augustin's butt. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Pat Lynch wrote: > > http://slashdot.org/interviews/00/01/27/1118251.shtml > > near the bottom of the page there are comments by StarMedia employees > regarding the fact that Augustin said we buy consulting from them and use > Linux. (specific comments by firestarter666, ryan_nelson, benedict, > Cellechan). > > We essentially made a public announcement about buying VA boxes and usign > FreeBSD on them. > > -Pat > ... and you actually got an apology from them. Good going! I liked the way the response generated genuine queries about BSD, too, unlike the earlier posting with the nasty comment about stability. :-))) What a mess /. is, though. I stay away from it because of all the crap you wade through. I just interviewed with Intel/Rio Rancho yesterday. What an awesome pile of money!!!! -- Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Silver-Lynx.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jan 28 6:43:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.ham.muohio.edu (dragon.ham.muohio.edu [134.53.141.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F078B14BD7 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:43:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by dragon.ham.muohio.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15091; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:56:27 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dragon.ham.muohio.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:56:27 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Howard X-Sender: howardjp@dragon.ham.muohio.edu To: Szilveszter Adam Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another advocacy opportunity In-Reply-To: <20000128093749.A23717@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Szilveszter Adam wrote: > Hello guys, I am sorry that I can only write to you now when perhaps all > this is already obsolete but it's only now morning in Europe:-) I just made that by morning comment hoping to entice those of you in the Eastern Hemisphere into responding. I am in DC myself. :) > "nearly 200" and the reader happens to have heard of Linux, they might > think: Linux has much more volunteers working on that, it must be better. If The way both Wes and myself phrased it seems to suggest 200 full time profession developers. We all know that is untrue, but I cannot help it if you read it wrong. :) > "FreeBSD is developed by a large group of volunteers worldwide and nearly > 200 skilled developers (the so-called committers) evaluate each proposed > change carefully in order to ensure reliability and stability on an ongoing > basis." While nobody'd doubt this is this is far more accurate, I have tried to avoid technical detail (except around the ports installation mechanism) at the expense of correctness. I do not feel that the average reader'd follow this procedure in an introductory article (it is clear I am targetting this at people who've never heard of FreeBSD before). Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jan 28 6:54: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from majordomo2.umd.edu (majordomo2.umd.edu [128.8.10.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42061553A for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 06:54:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac3.wam.umd.edu (root@rac3.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.143]) by majordomo2.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06509; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:53:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac3.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11245; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:53:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by rac3.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11241; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:53:53 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac3.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:53:53 -0500 (EST) From: James Howard To: Wes Peters Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another advocacy opportunity In-Reply-To: <38913CDB.4622F6D7@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, Wes Peters wrote: > No, but it might count as editing by committee. Making someone else's > writing 1% better is a lot less work than writing in the first place. ;^) It needs more than 1%. > I wish I could explain it, too. I'm working on something along those lines > for the March Daemon's Advocate, but the thoughts are a long way from > jelling, let alone having them down on disk. Try this on for size: To better coordinate information exchange with others in the security community, FreeBSD has a focal point for security related communications: The FreeBSD security officer. The position is actually staffed by a team of dedicated security officers, their main tasks being to send out advisories when there are known security holes and to act on reports of possible security problems with FreeBSD. The Security Officers also communicate with the various CERT and FIRST teams around the world, sharing information about possible vulnerabilities in FreeBSD or utilities commonly used by FreeBSD. The Security Officers are also active members of those organizations. I stole this from http://www.freebsd.org/security/#sec and removed a couple sentences. I think this shows a very proactive concern for security. While it may be possible to just leave the security issue alone after that, I think that there should be something to sum it up and say and this is why johnny hacker won't break into your FreeBSD after he got into your Solaris box. On the other hand, I think this is far from perfect and welcome new ideas. Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jan 28 7:56:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B7D15CBA; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 07:56:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA62765; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 16:56:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Excellent Gartner Group report: Debunking Open Source Myths From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 28 Jan 2000 16:56:25 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is *just* the thing to drop in your boss' mailbox if you're having trouble convincing him that Open Source is just as viable as commercial software. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jan 28 9:38:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5591B15C7A for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:38:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id SAA26272; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:38:35 +0100 (MET) Received: by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu (Linux Smail3.2.0.92 #1) id m12EFN5-000oZ8C; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:39:47 +0000 () Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:39:47 +0100 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another advocacy opportunity Message-ID: <20000128183947.A30631@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000128093749.A23717@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 09:56:27AM -0500, Jamie Howard wrote: > The way both Wes and myself phrased it seems to suggest 200 full time > profession developers. We all know that is untrue, but I cannot help it > if you read it wrong. :) :-)) > > "FreeBSD is developed by a large group of volunteers worldwide and nearly > > 200 skilled developers (the so-called committers) evaluate each proposed > > change carefully in order to ensure reliability and stability on an ongoing > > basis." > > While nobody'd doubt this is this is far more accurate, I have tried to > avoid technical detail (except around the ports installation mechanism) at > the expense of correctness. I do not feel that the average reader'd > follow this procedure in an introductory article (it is clear I am > targetting this at people who've never heard of FreeBSD before). This is fine, I just thought that if a first-time reader reads this they will not find it "sufficient" when compared to the number of professional developers in a big company. Also, since people were remarkably receptive for the -IMHO a lot messier- Linux mode of developing things, and it went down well- i.e businesses were not afraid to deploy Linux in the enterprise- I thought they would also receive our model well which not just looks like a big deal but is a big deal because it combines open-source type grass-roots activism with professional review to create a superior product which businesses can depend on (Gosh I already sound like Steve Ballmer at a press-briefing:-) But be it your way. I never meant to dive too deep into tech details of course. If you write for suits and junior suits, you never can be too cautious:-) Regards: Szilveszter ADAM -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Szilveszter ADAM * JATE Szeged * email: sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu * * Homepage : none * alternate email: cc@flanker.itl.net.ua * * Finger sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu for PGP key. * * I prefer using the door instead of Windows(tm)... * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jan 28 10:37:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF5B15F7D for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:36:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA75156; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:36:31 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 18:36:31 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Don Wilde Cc: Pat Lynch , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMN kicks Augustin's butt. Message-ID: <20000128183630.A74295@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <3891A457.61BCBEAA@thuntek.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <3891A457.61BCBEAA@thuntek.net>; from Don Wilde on Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 07:14:47AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 07:14:47AM -0700, Don Wilde wrote: > What a mess /. is, though. I stay away from it because of all the crap > you wade through. With my @slashdot.org hat on, any suggestions people have for improving this would be welcome. It's somewhat disheartening to post BSD stories, and get nothing but Natalie Portman comments for hours afterwards. There are a few vocal BSD proponents on Slashdot. Wes pops up occasionally, as do people like Dom Mitchell, and others. We need more. I'd really like to see more people posting solid, technical replies, and not just an endless round "BSD sux" "Does not" "Does too", which it often descends to. :-( N -- If you want to imagine the future, imagine a tennis shoe stamping on a penguin's face forever. --- with apologies to George Orwell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jan 28 10:53:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5310914D6F; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:53:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lynch@bsd.unix.sh) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28536; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:53:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:53:15 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: Nik Clayton Cc: Don Wilde , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMN kicks Augustin's butt. In-Reply-To: <20000128183630.A74295@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > There are a few vocal BSD proponents on Slashdot. Wes pops up > occasionally, as do people like Dom Mitchell, and others. We need more. > I'd really like to see more people posting solid, technical replies, > and not just an endless round "BSD sux" "Does not" "Does too", which it > often descends to. > Unfortunately, even the semi-intelligent comments that happened with SMN vs Augustin degenerated a bit. However, now we have publically said that "Yes, we use FreeBSD at SMN", which we only previously said in personal conversations and some conference BoF type situations. On that note, we are looking for BSD developers/admin types with experience with perl, python, and C and a working knowledge of BSD kernel code. So if anyone knows of anyone interested in this kind of job in NYC, they can contact me, and I'll point them in the right direction. -Pat __ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net lynch@unix.sh lynch@blowfi.sh Systems Administrator Rush Networking To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jan 28 11:39:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F004515C34; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:39:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19402; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:39:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:39:04 -0500 (EST) From: Brett Taylor To: Nik Clayton Cc: Don Wilde , Pat Lynch , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMN kicks Augustin's butt. In-Reply-To: <20000128183630.A74295@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Nik, On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 07:14:47AM -0700, Don Wilde wrote: > > What a mess /. is, though. I stay away from it because of all the crap > > you wade through. > > With my @slashdot.org hat on, any suggestions people have for > improving this would be welcome. It's somewhat disheartening to post > BSD stories, and get nothing but Natalie Portman comments for hours > afterwards. I don't have any suggestions really but I would agree that it's annoying to wade through stuff (and I do use the minimum reply score thingy) and that they aren't many BSD people on there. I used to be fairly visual there but I have mostly given up. When the FreeBSD Diary thing was noted people complained that it was silly - just a web page update. No one complained when they said "Redhat has created a new home page." There's a double standard there and there's still a lot of very vocal Linux "advocates" who spend time bashing posts or supplying us w/ negative posts. I consider the diary a tremendous source of knowledge, better than the HOWTOs for Linux IMO and yet I doubt it generated a lot of new, consistent readers, for Dan. Matt Dillon's article on the VM system was lambasted in the message boards because he voiced his own opinion on how NT and Linux did things which he believes is inefficient (and maybe even wrong). Here was a good strong technical article that didn't generate almost any discussion at all on the actual content of the article itself. I don't know what to suggest about this - it's not like the BSD section is the only one there suffering from that "user" rot. Brett ***************************************************** Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics * Walker 234 (540) 831-5410 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jan 28 13:49: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.ham.muohio.edu (dragon.ham.muohio.edu [134.53.141.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1D914FBE for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 13:49:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by dragon.ham.muohio.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16276; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:01:24 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: dragon.ham.muohio.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:01:24 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Howard X-Sender: howardjp@dragon.ham.muohio.edu To: Szilveszter Adam Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Another advocacy opportunity In-Reply-To: <20000128183947.A30631@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This is fine, I just thought that if a first-time reader reads this they > will not find it "sufficient" when compared to the number of professional > developers in a big company. Also, since people were remarkably receptive > for the -IMHO a lot messier- Linux mode of developing things, and it went > down well- i.e businesses were not afraid to deploy Linux in the enterprise- > I thought they would also receive our model well which not just looks like a > big deal but is a big deal because it combines open-source type grass-roots > activism with professional review to create a superior product which > businesses can depend on (Gosh I already sound like Steve Ballmer at a > press-briefing:-) I'll find someplace where I can use this later :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jan 28 14:11:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net [206.206.98.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A808A15AC3; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:11:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Received: from thuntek.net (abq-003.thuntek.net [207.66.52.3]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA95891; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:11:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dwilde1@thuntek.net) Message-ID: <3892148D.7D37AF02@thuntek.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 15:13:33 -0700 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: dwilde1@thuntek.net Organization: Silver Lynx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton Cc: Pat Lynch , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMN kicks Augustin's butt. References: <3891A457.61BCBEAA@thuntek.net> <20000128183630.A74295@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2000 at 07:14:47AM -0700, Don Wilde wrote: > > What a mess /. is, though. I stay away from it because of all the crap > > you wade through. > > With my @slashdot.org hat on, any suggestions people have for improving > this would be welcome. It's somewhat disheartening to post BSD stories, > and get nothing but Natalie Portman comments for hours afterwards. > > There are a few vocal BSD proponents on Slashdot. Wes pops up > occasionally, as do people like Dom Mitchell, and others. We need more. > I'd really like to see more people posting solid, technical replies, > and not just an endless round "BSD sux" "Does not" "Does too", which it > often descends to. > Unfortunately it's a lot like the government: what you get is at the level of the readers. I doubt the other editors like it any more than you do, but /. readership -- the ones who have time to read and post -- aren't likely to be of a caliber such that anybody'd pay them to code anything, so it's unlikely to change. As far as improving /., I think your time would be better spent improving the content on daily.dn, Nik... After dealing with NMLUG's user base, I have to say that the generic linuxhead is either a 'kewl kid' or a corporate dork whose bread is buttered by Linux (f.e. VA, RedHat, SGI, etc.) Linux is a cult and we have to accept that there is no logic to their choice. Period. If Linuxen had sense, they'd rip out the Linux kernel, drop in BSD, and hire our core team. I am really glad to see your CEO at StarMedia step in and give VA a dose of napalm, Pat. THIS is what we need more of. You'll notice that the infantile posts STOPPED after that. :-))) -- Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Silver-Lynx.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jan 28 21:31:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (mail.maine.rr.com [204.210.65.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D323415784 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:31:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lethvian@maine.rr.com) Received: from maine.rr.com ([24.93.136.131]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 00:31:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3892A454.61C4F6F2@maine.rr.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 00:27:00 -0800 From: "Daniel J. Frost" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 29 10:10:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mobil.surnet.ru (mobil.surnet.ru [195.54.2.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B611214EC5 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 10:10:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ilia@cgilh.chel.su) Received: (from uucgilh@localhost) by mobil.surnet.ru (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with UUCP id WAA20591 for advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:57:24 +0500 (ES) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cgilh.chel.su (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id VAA02298 for advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:50:24 +0500 Received: from localhost (ilia@localhost) by jane.cgu.chel.su (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA00501 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:56:32 +0500 (ES) (envelope-from ilia@cgilh.chel.su) X-Authentication-Warning: jane.cgu.chel.su: ilia owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:56:29 +0500 (ES) From: Ilia Chipitsine X-Sender: ilia@jane.cgu.chel.su To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: AVP for FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi, I found that there's a good AntiViral program exists for FreeBSD. It would be a good advocating, wouldn't it ?! I still recall somebody said that Hotmail had a problem because of FreeBSD (McAfee didn't update AntiViral program for FreeBSD). Address is http://www.kasperskylab.ru/eng/products/bsdunix.html I hope to see it soon at http://www.freebsd.org @ Announcements ... Regards, (îÁÉÌÕÞÛÉÅ ÐÏÖÅÌÁÎÉÑ) Ilia Chipitsine (éÌØÑ ûÉÐÉÃÉÎ) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQB1AwUBOJMbwORxlWKN2EXhAQGwJAL8CDT8mu2D5fBYY7m1myINCnaGhFMMGcI8 WPBqVQ/nS0KkHnKhAbIMD+H5MlpMF+FkZwQLlnvue0tpt7WmyfPPyx4b+n0HuaPJ g+BjF7xVTuG/msmCEgFAqP/vEH/hrNgs =Cm/k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 29 12:12:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E0E15310; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 12:12:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from johnmpurser@home.com) Received: from C37259A ([24.9.57.64]) by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <20000129201210.QOVW26912.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@C37259A>; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 12:12:10 -0800 Reply-To: From: "John Purser" To: , Subject: @home.com's e-mail problems Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 12:12:02 -0800 Message-ID: <000301bf6a95$1b984aa0$40390918@vncvr1.wa.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is anyone else out there getting fed up with the periodic e-mail outages on the @home network? In my experience they go down about once a week. For the last three days my mail has come straggling in up to 12 hours after it was sent! While most of the @home support people don't know what OS they are running (or why it's not running now, or why it died yesterday, or why no one in Vancouver can connect at all, or how an entire state(s) can drop off the network without anyone @home noticing, or ... the list goes on) I pressed the one I was talking to today and she went and asked. The story she came back with was that the e-mail was handled by NT servers. I sent an e-mail expressing my frustration and pointed out that even MS doesn't use NT for heavy duty e-mail service. I suggested they look into FreeBSD as a way of upgrading their technology and reliability. If they receive this suggestion from enough people they might start listening. Especially now. Wednesday when I called in the second tier support person I spoke to told me that the @home e-mail was down for the entire US and they didn't know why! If they received multiple e-mails suggesting FreeBSD as an alternative with helpful contacts at Yahoo, Walnut Creek, or HotMail then we might get another large commercial user to join the ranks! John Purser To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 29 14:36:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from canonware.com (canonware.com [207.20.242.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E492514DF7 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 14:36:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jasone@canonware.com) Received: (qmail 91874 invoked by uid 1001); 29 Jan 2000 22:33:15 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 14:33:15 -0800 From: Jason Evans To: John Purser Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: @home.com's e-mail problems Message-ID: <20000129143315.C73462@sturm.canonware.com> References: <000301bf6a95$1b984aa0$40390918@vncvr1.wa.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <000301bf6a95$1b984aa0$40390918@vncvr1.wa.home.com>; from johnmpurser@home.com on Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 12:12:02PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 12:12:02PM -0800, John Purser wrote: > I sent an e-mail expressing my frustration and pointed out that even MS > doesn't use NT for heavy duty e-mail service. I suggested they look into > FreeBSD as a way of upgrading their technology and reliability. > > If they receive this suggestion from enough people they might start > listening. Especially now. Wednesday when I called in the second tier > support person I spoke to told me that the @home e-mail was down for the > entire US and they didn't know why! If they received multiple e-mails > suggesting FreeBSD as an alternative with helpful contacts at Yahoo, Walnut > Creek, or HotMail then we might get another large commercial user to join > the ranks! I worked at Critical Path (CP), an email outsourcer, for over a year. During that year, there were a quite a number of service outages. CP runs its services on a combination of Solaris and FreeBSD boxes. That CP doesn't use NT is a definite plus, but it couldn't begin to make up for the real problem: business goals do not emphasize reliability. If reliability were a goal, I expect CP could do about as well using NT as FreeBSD (though not for the same cost). @home may be different, but I doubt it. FreeBSD isn't a magical solution to all the world's evils; it's just an (IMO very good) operating system. Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 29 17:37:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from impatience.valueclick.com (impatience.valueclick.com [216.64.159.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CDC341516E for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:37:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ask@valueclick.com) Received: (qmail 27141 invoked by uid 500); 30 Jan 2000 01:37:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Jan 2000 01:37:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:37:46 -0800 (PST) From: Ask Bjoern Hansen To: James Howard Cc: Bill Fumerola , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another advocacy opportunity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 27 Jan 2000, James Howard wrote: > > 180, now. > > Just updated. Kind of related, how does that compare to say, MacOS or > BeOS or Windows? It doesn't compare at all. Or for comparisons remember that the "full" FreeBSD installation includes work from a lot a lot a lot more people (Apache, etc etc). - ask -- ask bjoern hansen - more than 60M impressions per day, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message