From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Mar 15 12:22:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180E637BA60 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:21:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id MAA27649 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:21:46 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id MAA11600; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:21:45 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id NAA00252; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:21:37 -0700 Message-ID: <38CFF102.CD9D3189@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:22:26 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Advocacy Subject: Linux user group presentation. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've converted NBM's presentation into MagicPoint format, dusted it off just a bit, and am going to present it to the Salt Lake Linux User Group (SLLUG) tonight. If anyone would like to review and comment before then, please reply directly to me. ftp://ftp.xmission.com/pub/users/s/softweyr/pub/sllug-presentation.mgp You'll need MagicPoint from ports/misc/magicpoint to view this. Thank you for your support, and thanks to Neil for providing the original in HTML form. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Mar 16 15:53:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from quack.kfu.com (quack.kfu.com [170.1.70.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6966D37C240 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:53:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nsayer@freebsd.org) Received: from medusa.kfu.com (medusa.kfu.com [170.1.70.5]) by quack.kfu.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15556 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:53:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nsayer@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (nsayer@localhost) by medusa.kfu.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13763 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:53:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nsayer@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: medusa.kfu.com: nsayer owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:53:15 -0800 (PST) From: Nick Sayer X-Sender: nsayer@medusa.kfu.com To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: EnlightenDSM considering FreeBSD port Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Enlighten Software (http://www.enlightendsm.com/) makes system administration software for various Unix (and NT) platforms. We have a Linux product now and are considering a port to FreeBSD. People who would be interested in our software if it were ported are encouraged to send us mail at bsd@enlightendsm.com. Note that you conceivably could run our stuff under the Linuxulator, but it would do things (like run chkconfig and edit /etc files) that would not necessarily be meaningful on FreeBSD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 17 8:24:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from seu.edu.cn (seic3.seu.edu.cn [202.119.24.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C014137BB1D for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:24:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsdmaillist@263.net) Received: from dryice ([202.119.9.77]) by seu.edu.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA28042 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:21:07 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <200003171621.AAA28042@seu.edu.cn> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 0:21:3 +0800 From: dryice liu To: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" Subject: X-mailer: FoxMail 3.0 beta 2 [cn] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-advocacy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 17 12:14: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 8DAE137B55B; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF882E814A for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:14:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:14:00 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: 21st Century Unix Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This article gives an (I thought) very balanced evaluation of the strengths and weaknesses of various UNIX brands including FreeBSD: http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/issue/0,4537,2457573,00.html Comments, anyone? Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 17 13:38:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D27F637B793; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:38:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (Foolstrustidentd@obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07642; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:38:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <38D2A60E.C001525A@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 14:39:26 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 21st Century Unix References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > > This article gives an (I thought) very balanced evaluation of the > strengths and weaknesses of various UNIX brands including FreeBSD: > > http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/issue/0,4537,2457573,00.html > > Comments, anyone? Already done so - I put in the blast about feeping creaturism in the Linux API set, and have been roundly blasted for it by several Linux cretins who don't understand the different between libc and syscalls. How is it that neither of us posted this to DDN? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Mar 18 9:34:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FC337B54C for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 09:34:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id SAA15578 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:34:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA72753 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:15:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: 21st Century Unix Date: 18 Mar 2000 18:15:04 +0100 Message-ID: <8b0dio$2718$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/issue/0,4537,2457573,00.html > > Comments, anyone? Since you're asking... Babble. Just what I would expect to read in an American computer magazine and exactly the reason why I gave up on BYTE and similar publications a decade ago. (A recent look into a copy of Linux Journal quickly showed that there has been no improvement since.) A long series of assertiations backed by... nothing. Superficial to the point of having no content at all. I don't know who the intended audience for this drivel is, but I guess it's not me. People seem to be all happy if such an article accidentally proposes some points they agree with, but that doesn't make the journalism any better. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Mar 18 11:26:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CADE37B525 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:26:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04866 for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:26:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <200003181926.OAA04866@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: 21st Century Unix In-Reply-To: <8b0dio$2718$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> from Christian Weisgerber at "Mar 18, 2000 6:15: 4 pm" To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:26:09 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Babble. Just what I would expect to read in an American computer > magazine and exactly the reason why I gave up on BYTE and similar > publications a decade ago. (A recent look into a copy of Linux > Journal quickly showed that there has been no improvement since.) Absolutely. As advocates in the USA, though, that's what some of us have to work with. The only magazine I've found with "content" is Sys Admin, plus harder-core ones like Dr. Dobbs. And since I seem to be the FreeBSD representative to SA magazine, I will readily admit to bias. > People seem to be all happy if such an article accidentally proposes > some points they agree with, but that doesn't make the journalism > any better. If this is the best that US magazines can do, then we in the US need to make it happen more often. This is a step in the right direction: a chunk of brightly-colored crap amidst a sea of dull brown sewage. God help us, ZDnet is fairly well respected by technical managers in the US. And they're pretty pro-M$. The page that says "FreeBSD is the web server, hands down, no questions asked," should be bookmarked and loaded into the US advocate's cannon. Those of you in countries where people are expected to actually *think*, well, you have harder work cut out for you. ;) ==ml To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Mar 18 18:22:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD9D37B715 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 18:22:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (Foolstrustidentd@obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11863; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:21:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <38D439FF.3AF8D191@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:22:55 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 21st Century Unix References: <8b0dio$2718$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > http://www.zdnet.com/sr/stories/issue/0,4537,2457573,00.html > > > > Comments, anyone? > > Since you're asking... > > Babble. Just what I would expect to read in an American computer > magazine and exactly the reason why I gave up on BYTE and similar > publications a decade ago. (A recent look into a copy of Linux > Journal quickly showed that there has been no improvement since.) > A long series of assertiations backed by... nothing. Superficial > to the point of having no content at all. I don't know who the > intended audience for this drivel is, but I guess it's not me. > > People seem to be all happy if such an article accidentally proposes > some points they agree with, but that doesn't make the journalism > any better. You're of course right, it was a pretty slipshod article. Even the premise rests on pretty shaking ground, given what a slippery moving target the Linux ABI is. On the other hand, There's no such thing as bad press, as long as they get your URL correct. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message