From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon May 29 9:39:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A80A37BCB6 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:39:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jazepeda@pacbell.net) Received: from .mail.pacbell.net ([207.214.149.73]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0FVB00EZ5Y8L2K@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:39:01 -0700 From: Alex Zepeda Subject: FreeBSD in the SF Chronicle To: advocacy@freebsd.org Message-id: <000368c48e60b785_mailit@mail.pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: BeatWare Mail-It 2.0.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-BeOS-Platform: Intel or clone X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG So there's a little blurb on the bottom of the front page "There's another operating system out there that's not Windows or Linux, and best of all it's free. B1" that piqued my interest. Turning to the front page of the Tech/ Business section, there's a rather large front (of this section) page article covering FreeBSD, and showcasing some of its highlights, quotes from Yahoo and Hotmail people responsible for using it, and then there's a history of BSD article on B2. niiiiice. - alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed May 31 9: 8:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ruby.ora.com (ruby.ora.com [63.80.158.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DF637BEE0 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:08:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mbertsch@ruby.ora.com) Received: from localhost (mbertsch@localhost) by ruby.ora.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05555 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:08:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike DeGraw-Bertsch To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Articles about FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I'm looking to write some articles about FreeBSD, and would like your input on what to write about. Under-addressed issues, common problems, interesting nuggets about FreeBSD, something you'd like to learn, things you'd like to have taught, or anything of that ilk. I look forward to your input, -Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 1 3: 9:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pike.cdrom.com (pike.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11C237B580 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 03:09:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rab@pike.cdrom.com) Received: from pike.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pike.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA99251; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 03:06:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rab@pike.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <200006011006.DAA99251@pike.cdrom.com> To: Mike DeGraw-Bertsch Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, rab@pike.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Articles about FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 31 May 2000 12:08:48 EDT." Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 03:06:58 -0700 From: "Robert A. Bruce" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike DeGraw-Bertsch said... >Hi all, > > I'm looking to write some articles about FreeBSD, and would like your >input on what to write about. Under-addressed issues, common problems, >interesting nuggets about FreeBSD, something you'd like to learn, things >you'd like to have taught, or anything of that ilk. Hi Mike, Where are these articles going to appear? The subject of the article depends a lot on the audience. Will most readers already be familiar with FreeBSD? Here are some topics: * New features that will be coming in FreeBSD 4.1 or 5.0. * A case study: Pick an organization that uses FreeBSD, and write about what they are doing with it. * A technical comparison of FreeBSD and Linux. This is politically dangerous ground, so try to be objective and nonpartisan. * A comparison of the development methodologies of FreeBSD and Linux. * FreeBSD in embedded systems and/or Internet appliances. Many people are predicting that as we move into the "post-PC" era, that IAs are going to be really big. This is an area where FreeBSD is already very strong, for both technical and licensing reasons, and likely to become even more pervasive. Let me know if you want more info on these topics, or if you would like some additional idea. -bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 1 16: 8:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB0937B525 for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:08:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA83324; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 22:29:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA48815 for freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:42:40 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:42:40 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: LinuxExpo report Message-ID: <20000601094240.A48761@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [cc'd to freebsd-advocacy] I've just spent most of the day at LinuxExpo 2000 (in London, for the benefit of the international readers) and I'm on the train back. Here are a few thoughts. It was somewhat smaller than I expected. I didn't attend last year, but I'm reliably informed that this year's is about twice the size. Big presences from IBM, RedHat, Suse, and SGI, but a few odd no-shows -- in particular, no sign of VA Linux. Most of the stands were fairly functional, with not a lot of 'wow' factor in the design. Then again, this wasn't Comdex :-) The Tux made out of ice on the SGI stand was a nice touch though, as was the vodka they poured down it and in to some handily placed shot glasses. The various Linux UK User Groups had a larger than expected presence, sharing quite a big stand with the Debian UK group. I've spent some time talking with them, and they're certainly up for closer ties between themselves and the FreeBSD UK User Group, which is good. I've also spoken to the UK Unix User Group who are also interested in more cooperation and collaboration. In particular, they've got a couple of events coming up that might need speakers -- more information about this when I've got home and had the chance to rifle through all the bumpf I've collected during the day. I've spent most of today flying the FreeBSD flag and talking to vendors. Of particular interest (well, to me anyway) were. VMWare The official line is that there is still not enough of a market for FreeBSD as a host OS (I know we have a port, but official support would be nice, and probably more stable). This is clearly bollocks (can I say that?), as we know there's demand for the product out there. Still, at least they got reminded of the demand again, and I'm going to try and get them to alter their web site slightly so that if you download a trial copy of the Linux version you will be able to say that you will be running in on FreeBSD. Veritas Two products I was interested in here, NetBackup, and their vxfs RAID filesystem. Apparently there is already a NetBackup client for FreeBSD, which was news to me. There are no plans for a server version yet though. vxfs is a 'might happen'. They're evaluating Linux at the moment according to the sales guy I spoke to, and FreeBSD is also on the list. No timescales for this though. [ As an aside, a chap I used to go to school with was working on the Veritas stand, which was a bit of a shock ] APC APC were demonstrating a port of their UPS Powerchute software to Linux. I explained that some models (like the APC 700) are supported on FreeBSD using things like upsmond in the ports tree, but that there's no official support yet. The guy I spoke to seemed a little confused, at first thinking that I was trying to convince them to open the source code. I explained that really all I wanted was either a Powerchute port to FreeBSD, or for them to document the communication protocol their UPS' use to signal low power situations -- the 700 is alright, but they had some nice 1U rack mounted UPS systems I'd like to try. Future Publishing FP do a Linux magazine in the UK ("Linux Format") from memory. I should be meeting their commissioning editor tomorrow to discuss the possibility of getting a few FreeBSD articles in there. They also do covermount CDs, and I've suggested they might want to consider FreeBSD as a possible, along the lines of "If you like Linux, you'll love this" for their readers. More news on this if anything materialises. Perforce Had a long chat with the Perforce guys, who seemed to be quite cool. More than once they said that they'd open up the code, if only they could work out a business model for it that would work. I sympathised. Apparently, if you use Perforce for free software projects you can use it for free, and they have a CVS repo-import tool. Sadly, they lack the equivalent export tool. Apparently, the Perl developer core use Perforce internally, but filter submissions through a CVS tree first (so they never have to export to CVS). We're probably a bit too big and distributed for this to happen though. What I did learn is that FreeBSD is their development platform, and all the other versions are ports from that code. They also have some big clients (Adobe and Amazon to name a couple). There has to be some way we can get some publicity out of this. DNUK By now most of you will have seen the announcement about BSDI buying Telenet Systems (hardware manufacturer). Apparently, DNUK (dnuk.co.uk I think) occupy a similar space in the UK (rackmount servers, high availability stuff, 1 and 2 U high cases, that sort of thing) -- I haven't had the opportunity to talk to them yet, but I understand that while they were promoting their Linux compatible servers at the show they're shortly going to be announcing some FreeBSD support as well. I'll be speaking to them tomorrow to chew the fat, and see what sort of issues they've had supporting FreeBSD as a platform, and whether there's anything we can do to make their (and companys like them) live's easier. Misc. Hardware Manufacturers Spoke to a couple of vendors of reasonably specialist kit, like multi-port serial cards. The ones I spoke to seemed to be prepared to ship cards to developers in order to get drivers written as necessary, so I'll try and firm up on some of this tomorrow. That's it for the time being -- mainly because I'm sat on a platform now and my fingers are freezing. More news tomorrow. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 2 4:41:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BA337B69E; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 04:41:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p44-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.109]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id UAA29228; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 20:41:10 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3937996F.EDE92DD8@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 20:24:31 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton Cc: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LinuxExpo report References: <20000601094240.A48761@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nik Clayton wrote: > > Perforce > > Had a long chat with the Perforce guys, who seemed to be quite cool. > More than once they said that they'd open up the code, if only they > could work out a business model for it that would work. I sympathised. > > Apparently, if you use Perforce for free software projects you can use > it for free, and they have a CVS repo-import tool. Sadly, they lack > the equivalent export tool. Apparently, the Perl developer core use > Perforce internally, but filter submissions through a CVS tree first > (so they never have to export to CVS). We're probably a bit too big > and distributed for this to happen though. > > What I did learn is that FreeBSD is their development platform, and all > the other versions are ports from that code. They also have some big > clients (Adobe and Amazon to name a couple). There has to be some way > we can get some publicity out of this. You _do_ know the FreeBSD project uses Perforce internally in at least one side project, right? :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) who is as agreeable as Boba Fett dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@the.bsdconspiracy.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 2 18:20:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8CB37B7CD for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:20:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11166; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:20:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 18:20:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <200006030120.SAA11166@zippy.cdrom.com> To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Two new non-US CD distributions of FreeBSD spotted Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Today I found a couple of interesting FedEx packages waiting for me, one a FreeBSD 4.0 distribution from Japan which contains 6 CDs in a nice-looking box and the other a 4 CD jewel-case product along more standard lines from Germany. The Japanese product is from "Itsutsubashi Research Co, Ltd" and the German one from J.F. Lehmanns, one of Germany's largest technical bookstore chains. The production values for both products look pretty good and I'd have no qualms about recommmending either of them to German or Japanese customers. A big well-done to whomever had anything to do with these two releases! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jun 3 11:46:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C83F37BBBD for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:46:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (Foolstrustident!@homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11735; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:46:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <3939534F.6F8F0A0B@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 12:49:51 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Two new non-US CD distributions of FreeBSD spotted References: <200006030120.SAA11166@zippy.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > Today I found a couple of interesting FedEx packages waiting for > me, one a FreeBSD 4.0 distribution from Japan which contains 6 CDs > in a nice-looking box and the other a 4 CD jewel-case product along > more standard lines from Germany. The Japanese product is from > "Itsutsubashi Research Co, Ltd" and the German one from J.F. Lehmanns, > one of Germany's largest technical bookstore chains. The production > values for both products look pretty good and I'd have no qualms about > recommmending either of them to German or Japanese customers. > > A big well-done to whomever had anything to do with these two releases! Do they have any promo URLs we can throw up on daily? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jun 3 12:19:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.root-servers.ch (alpha.root-servers.ch [195.49.62.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1EDA337B693 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:19:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch) Received: (qmail 29116 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2000 19:21:05 -0000 Received: from client99-59.hispeed.ch (62.2.99.59) by ns1.root-servers.ch with SMTP; 3 Jun 2000 19:21:05 -0000 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 21:20:41 +0200 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (1.42) Business Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <188209057348.20000603212041@buz.ch> To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: Two new non-US CD distributions of FreeBSD spotted In-reply-To: <3939534F.6F8F0A0B@softweyr.com> References: <200006030120.SAA11166@zippy.cdrom.com> <3939534F.6F8F0A0B@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> A big well-done to whomever had anything to do with these two releases! > Do they have any promo URLs we can throw up on daily? Lehmann's: http://www.lob.de/cgi-bin/work/frameset?flag=jfl&frame=yes&id=393958a4dbc9c But considering the fact, that they were one month behind Walnut Creek we'll most likely continue to pay their overpriced oversea shipping charges... Best regards, Gabriel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jun 3 13:11:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312B437B6D1 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 13:11:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA57278; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:11:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:11:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200006032011.WAA57278@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Two new non-US CD distributions of FreeBSD spotted X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-advocacy In-Reply-To: <8hbjq6$58v$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> Organization: Administration TU Clausthal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-19991219-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In list.freebsd-advocacy Wes Peters wrote: > Do they have any promo URLs we can throw up on daily? Regarding the Lehmanns Edition of FreeBSD 4.0, this is the URL: http://www.lob.de/cgi-bin/work/suche?stich1=393125357 It can also be ordered via email to bestellung@lehmanns.de and via phone at the tollfree number 0800-266 266 5 (COMBOOK). Lehmanns does not charge for P&P for delivery within Germany. The price of the CD-ROM set is 39.90 DM (roughly 20 Euro). Comparing with Walnut Creek's CD-ROM set, the main differences are inclusion of the full set of international crypto packages (as far as licenses permit), the CVS repository (on CD #2) and some additional docs on the first CD, including a German translation of the installation instructions based on Walnut Creeks booklet (used with permission -- thanks Jordan!). There are a few minor changes, such as having USA_RESIDENT=NO by default, and using ftp.de.freebsd.org for fetching distfiles instead of ftp.freebsd.org. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jun 3 13:26:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.25.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCF537BCC4 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 13:26:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de) Received: from fettesau.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (stuwopc5.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.209.5]) by mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11125 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:26:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <4.1.20000603222210.0273d6e0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> X-Sender: ohoyer@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 22:24:19 +0200 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: Olaf Hoyer Subject: Re[2]: Two new non-US CD distributions of FreeBSD spotted In-Reply-To: <188209057348.20000603212041@buz.ch> References: <3939534F.6F8F0A0B@softweyr.com> <200006030120.SAA11166@zippy.cdrom.com> <3939534F.6F8F0A0B@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 21:20 03.06.00 +0200, you wrote: >>> A big well-done to whomever had anything to do with these two releases! >> Do they have any promo URLs we can throw up on daily? > >Lehmann's: >http://www.lob.de/cgi-bin/work/frameset?flag=jfl&frame=yes&id=393958a4dbc9c > >But considering the fact, that they were one month behind Walnut Creek >we'll most likely continue to pay their overpriced oversea shipping >charges... > Hi! Well, for german users, its about half price than the US (WC)version. And with one week delivery (free of s&h, unusual in germany) about half time than when ordered directly by your out-in-the-wilderness bookstore... Got mine 4.0 Lehmanns today and I'm quite happy... Regards Olaf Hoyer -------- Olaf Hoyer www.nightfire.de mailto:Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de FreeBSD- Turning PC's into workstations ICQ:22838075 Liebe und Hass sind nicht blind, aber geblendet vom Feuer, dass sie selber mit sich tragen. (Nietzsche) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jun 3 15:17: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B896637B603 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 15:16:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21798; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 15:16:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Gabriel Ambuehl Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re[2]: Two new non-US CD distributions of FreeBSD spotted In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 2000 21:20:41 +0200." <188209057348.20000603212041@buz.ch> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:16:38 -0700 Message-ID: <21795.960070598@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > But considering the fact, that they were one month behind Walnut Creek > we'll most likely continue to pay their overpriced oversea shipping > charges... Well, it's also my hope that we'll be able to work with Lehmanns in the future to close the gap since neither extreme is really what the customers want. You would, I think, most ideally want a timely product without oversea shipping charges at all, right? I'm going to do my best to make that happen, and now that we actually have a VP of European operations (based in the UK), I certainly hope that a lot more progress will be made on this issue. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jun 3 15:25:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0914937B56E for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 15:25:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21856 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 15:25:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Two new non-US CD distributions of FreeBSD spotted In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Jun 2000 22:11:38 +0200." <200006032011.WAA57278@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:25:14 -0700 Message-ID: <21853.960071114@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Comparing with Walnut Creek's CD-ROM set, the main differences > are inclusion of the full set of international crypto packages > (as far as licenses permit), the CVS repository (on CD #2) and > some additional docs on the first CD, including a German > translation of the installation instructions based on Walnut > Creeks booklet (used with permission -- thanks Jordan!). Kein problem! Es hat spass gemacht, deine Uebersetzung zu lesen. :) I should also note that we're now filing for export permission for FreeBSD and will be including a lot more crypto on the FreeBSD 4.1 CDs if all goes well. The next German CD should ideally be able to simply include the official CD contents more or less verbatim. Perhaps it's also time to re-investigate the translation of the boot floppies. I was somewhat surprised to see german "LIESMICH.TXT" files on the CDROM but not as part of the boot.flp documentation itself. Do people actually use the Documentation submenu on the floppy? If not, then maybe it's not such a problem... - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jun 3 16:41:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from gearloose.heim8.tu-clausthal.de (gearloose.heim8.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.248.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D09537B762 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:41:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thiemo@gearloose.heim8.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from thiemo@localhost) by gearloose.heim8.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00367; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 01:41:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from thiemo) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 01:41:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200006032341.BAA00367@gearloose.heim8.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re[2]: Two new non-US CD distributions of FreeBSD spotted Newsgroups: list.freebsd-advocacy References: <8hc05o$bme$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> From: Thiemo Nordenholz X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #131 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In list.freebsd-advocacy you write: >> But considering the fact, that they were one month behind Walnut Creek >> we'll most likely continue to pay their overpriced oversea shipping >> charges... >Well, it's also my hope that we'll be able to work with Lehmanns in >the future to close the gap since neither extreme is really what the We'll do our very best... There have been some delaying factors in the production of this CD ROM set, resulting from the fact that this was the first release we were doing -- and with close cooperation with the US release team, a shorter "response time" should be possible, if Lehmanns decides to release further versions of FreeBSD. Cheers, Thiemo -- Thiemo Nordenholz Chemistry *BSD WinNT CP Coffee! 2*P-II/400 fBSD 4.0-R P/133 fBSD 3.2 AXPpci33 oBSD/alpha 2.4 MP2k NOS2.1 Cx486/66 fBSD 4.0-RELEASE SUN SS10 Solaris 7 i486/66 fBSD 4.0-CURRENT To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message