From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jul 23 10:24:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C26A37B63A for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:24:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA34638; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:24:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <200007231724.NAA34638@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: New Opportunity In-Reply-To: <397998E5.E0B1DD13@uswest.net> from Joe Warner at "Jul 22, 2000 6:51:50 am" To: jswarner@uswest.net (Joe Warner) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 13:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: wes@softweyr.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I don't even think there's a > chance he'll telnet to the box for a while. And don't forget to edit /etc/inetd.conf to turn telnetd to 'telnetd -h', if you're worried about that. :) ==ml To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jul 23 15:40:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from lorax.ubergeeks.com (lorax.ubergeeks.com [209.145.74.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BE737BB23 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:40:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@ubergeeks.com) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by lorax.ubergeeks.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09438; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:39:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from adrian@ubergeeks.com) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:39:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrian Filipi-Martin Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New Opportunity In-Reply-To: <39786CE5.C5954054@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Joe Warner wrote: > I just thought I'd pass on the news that I've been asked to install > Linux with Apache configured on a PC in our computer lab for testing > next week. I'm going to see if I can convince the guy who requested > this, our Manager of Technology, to let me install FreeBSD instead. > He's been playing around with Linux for a while but I don't think he's > too familiar with the capabilities of FreeBSD. Who knows, maybe they'll > give me two machines. One for FreeBSD and the other for Linux. > > Joe Apache on FreeBSD? See http://www.netcraft.com/Survey/Reports/200006/developers/apache.html Nuf, said? ;-) Adrian -- [ adrian@ubergeeks.com -- Ubergeeks Consulting -- http://www.ubergeeks.com/ ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jul 23 20:43:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AF337B680 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:43:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (Foolstrustident!@homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28982; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:43:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <397BBC40.8840A52E@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:47:12 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elle Yoko Suzuki Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: question References: <200007190739.AAA19760@soda.csua.Berkeley.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Elle Yoko Suzuki wrote: > > hi, > > how can i help out in the freebsd advocacy group? Write. Magazine articles, especially. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jul 24 2:11:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25DE37B8CB for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:11:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA82122; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:11:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:11:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200007240911.LAA82122@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD poster idea. X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-advocacy In-Reply-To: <8lckrt$197b$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> Organization: Administration TU Clausthal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-19991219-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In list.freebsd-advocacy Mark Ovens wrote: > Oliver, that poster looks great. I wonder if it could be done in > colour (the colours of the daemon)? OK, now there are three versions: http://www.fromme.com/ports.ps.gz (35 Kbyte) http://www.fromme.com/portscolor.ps.gz (230 Kbyte) http://www.fromme.com/portscolorbox.ps.gz (450 Kbyte) The first one is the black&white version that you already know. The second one is the same, but the characters are colored. Finally, in the third one I've used colored boxes and overlaid them with white characters. Yeah, you can do funny things in TeX. :) By the way, when using gv to preview the colored versions, you have to TURN OFF gv's antialiasing! Otherwise it will display garbage. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Addresses will change soon!! If in doubt: www.fromme.com "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jul 24 8:38: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from shell4.bayarea.net (shell4.bayarea.net [209.128.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFE237B703 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:37:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Dave@Yost.com) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (dayost.bayarea.net [209.128.69.79] (may be forged)) by shell4.bayarea.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09277; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:31:45 -0700 (envelope-from Dave@Yost.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dayost@mail4.bayarea.net Message-Id: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:31:10 -0700 To: (virus alert) From: Dave Yost Subject: Windows Outlook & Outlook Express virus vulnerability Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Attention users of Outlook or Outlook Express on Windows: Microsoft's MS00-043 security bulletin offers a patch for a very serious security problem, described in a warning by the SANS Institute: "Outlook and Outlook Express share a vulnerability that allows attackers to run programs of their choice on your computer and all you have to do is download email from the server. You don't have to open it or read it. [...] SANS, Microsoft, and the FBI all suggest, as strongly as we can, that you install this patch before leaving work today." Download and install this patch! http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS00-043.asp (N.B. If Outlook were built with Java, this vulnerability could not happen) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jul 24 11:54:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F7437BBB9 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:54:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from parish.my.domain ([62.253.85.12]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000724195320.WIPQ3760.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@parish.my.domain> for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:53:20 +0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01589 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:54:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:54:00 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD poster idea. Message-ID: <20000724195400.B236@parish> References: <8lckrt$197b$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> <200007240911.LAA82122@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200007240911.LAA82122@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de>; from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de on Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 11:11:50AM +0200 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 24, 2000 at 11:11:50AM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > In list.freebsd-advocacy Mark Ovens wrote: > > Oliver, that poster looks great. I wonder if it could be done in > > colour (the colours of the daemon)? > > OK, now there are three versions: > > http://www.fromme.com/ports.ps.gz (35 Kbyte) > http://www.fromme.com/portscolor.ps.gz (230 Kbyte) > http://www.fromme.com/portscolorbox.ps.gz (450 Kbyte) > > The first one is the black&white version that you already > know. The second one is the same, but the characters are > colored. Finally, in the third one I've used colored > boxes and overlaid them with white characters. Brilliant! :) that's exactly what I was thinking of. I have a feeling that there's a large format HP DesignJet at work so I'm going to try and print them out. > Yeah, you can do funny things in TeX. :) > > By the way, when using gv to preview the colored versions, > you have to TURN OFF gv's antialiasing! Otherwise it will > display garbage. > > Regards > Oliver > > -- > Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany > (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) > Addresses will change soon!! If in doubt: www.fromme.com > > "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" > (Terry Pratchett) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- If I buy a copy of WinDelete, and it doesn't delete Windows, am I entitled to my money back? ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jul 25 4:30:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D9E37BA2C for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:30:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA41925 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:30:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <200007251130.HAA41925@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: SeMiBUG mailing list now open To: advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:30:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, The Southeast Michigan BSD Users' Group mailing list is now up! To subscribe, send mail to majordomo@mail.msen.com with containing subscribe semibug Or, as Nik Clayton suggested: The group now exists! Everyone in Southeast Michigan, come join us! BTW, is this something worthy of a mention on -announce? ==ml To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jul 25 11:33:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.mich.com (mercury.mich.com [64.79.64.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E0737B858 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:33:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@almanac.yi.org) Received: from argon.gryphonsoft.com (pm006-031.dialup.bignet.net [64.79.81.15]) by mercury.mich.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29022; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:33:18 -0400 Received: by argon.gryphonsoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 09010190E; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:30:21 -0400 From: Will Andrews To: Michael Lucas Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SeMiBUG mailing list now open Message-ID: <20000725143020.E3198@argon.gryphonsoft.com> References: <200007251130.HAA41925@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200007251130.HAA41925@blackhelicopters.org>; from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 07:30:34AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 07:30:34AM -0400, Michael Lucas wrote: > The Southeast Michigan BSD Users' Group mailing list is now up! To > subscribe, send mail to > > majordomo@mail.msen.com with > > containing > > subscribe semibug > > Or, as Nik Clayton suggested: > > The group now exists! Everyone in Southeast Michigan, come join us! > > BTW, is this something worthy of a mention on -announce? Neat! /me joins. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+ a--- C++ UB++++$ P+ L- E--- W+ N-- !o ?K w--- O- M+ V- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X+ R+ tv+ b++ DI+++ D+ G++ e>++++ h! r- y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 26 4:15:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ctimail3.com (main1.my3mail.com [203.80.96.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDAC37BE4D for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:14:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from July3@wsi-hk.com) Received: from oemcomputer27 (207user29.ctimail3.com [203.80.207.29]) by mail.ctimail3.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA02246 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:14:50 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: <200007261114.TAA02246@mail.ctimail3.com> From: "Peter Forsythe" To: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:10:56 +0800 Subject: Workplace English and Summer Specials Reply-To: July3@wsi-hk.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [This email is an update of Hong Kong government's Workplace English Campaign, and of Wall Street Institute English specials for July. 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Peter Forsythe Fax form to 2575 1999 or email to July@wsi-hk.com: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please send me more information on WEC and Summer Specials: Name _____________________________ Address___________________________ Phone_____________________________ Fax_______________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------ (For remove, put "remove" in subject line or click on remove@wsi-hk.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 26 16:42:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bne005m.server-mail.com (bne005m.server-mail.com [202.139.234.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E48037B7D5 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:42:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16294 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2000 23:42:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO timberwolf) (203.147.165.163) by bne005m.server-mail.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2000 23:42:10 -0000 Message-ID: <002b01bff7eb$ad67cee0$a3a593cb@timberwolf> From: "Haikal Saadh" To: Subject: A depressing thought.. Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:56:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ...seems to be that people are not choosing their platform based on technical merit anymore... Case in point: I had lunch with some friends the other day. and one of the blokes was this guy (visiting from norway, I think) whose company works with ASP and other MS technology. Now according to him, when they started out, they approached Sun and Oracle (among others, no mention of anything BSD) for contracts. And the reason why they chose to go MS was because that MS offered them _FREE_ 90 licences for everything, and a free support and consulting for 90 days, among other things which cannot recall at the moment, whereas everyone else was rather slack in offering them anything similar, despite having (arguably) technically superior products. This sucks. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOYBpzmDp/0spTtEtEQKvSACgjf5cSui9XhuDiMJXGyNdtgDSbFgAoP21 m7DbL4r4MYX4psNEG/kXWlV9 =fKFn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 26 16:55:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from wondermutt.net (host75-157.student.udel.edu [128.175.75.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7F837B54B for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:55:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from papalia@udel.edu) Received: from morgaine.udel.edu (morgaine.wondermutt.net [192.168.1.2]) by wondermutt.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA96944; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:56:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from papalia@udel.edu) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000726195119.00aba6d0@mail.udel.edu> X-Sender: papalia@mail.udel.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:53:24 -0400 To: "Haikal Saadh" , From: John Subject: Re: A depressing thought.. In-Reply-To: <002b01bff7eb$ad67cee0$a3a593cb@timberwolf> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >...seems to be that people are not choosing their platform based on >technical merit anymore... > >Case in point: I had lunch with some friends the other day. and one >of the blokes was this guy (visiting from norway, I think) whose >company works with ASP and other MS technology. >Now according to him, when they started out, they approached Sun and >Oracle (among others, no mention of anything BSD) for contracts. And >the reason why they chose to go MS was because that MS offered them >_FREE_ 90 licences for everything, and a free support and consulting >for 90 days, among other things which cannot recall at the moment, >whereas everyone else was rather slack in offering them anything >similar, despite having (arguably) technically superior products. > >This sucks. My personal favorite statement so far came out of the mouth of the technical director of a IT venture captial company I was working with at one point. When the question of server OS came up for a network we were building, the instruction (not suggestion) was: "Go with NT. After all, it's a Bill Gates World." I think I almost screamed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jul 26 19: 6:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from po4.glue.umd.edu (po4.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F8B37BFF7 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:06:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@glue.umd.edu) Received: from y.glue.umd.edu (root@y.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.68]) by po4.glue.umd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6R26C126796; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from y.glue.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by y.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA02208; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by y.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02204; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:06:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: y.glue.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:06:11 -0400 (EDT) From: James Howard To: John Cc: Haikal Saadh , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A depressing thought.. In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000726195119.00aba6d0@mail.udel.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, John wrote: > "Go with NT. After all, it's a Bill Gates World." I once heard in a staff meeting, "Microsoft is the world," as the argument for replacing tried and true OpenVMS systems with WinNT. Oh well. J~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 27 3:29:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fling.sanbi.ac.za (fling.sanbi.ac.za [196.38.142.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7C337C0B7; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 03:29:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjv@cityip.co.za) Received: from johann by fling.sanbi.ac.za with local (Exim 3.13 #4) id 13HkuN-000DTw-00; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:28:55 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:28:55 +0200 From: Johann Visagie To: chat@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: janet@sanbi.ac.za Subject: Bioinformatics Open Source Conference, 17-18 Aug, San Diego Message-ID: <20000727122855.B414@fling.sanbi.ac.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Damn, I should've posted this earlier! The Bioinformatics Open Source Conference (BOSC - previously BioPerl) takes place in San Diego on 17-18 August. Unfortunately registration has already closed - hence my lament that I forgot to post earlier! See: http://ismb00.sdsc.edu/bosc2000/ I will be attending with others from my company and our associated academic institute (http://www.sanbi.ac.za/). Some background as to why this is something FreeBSD users might want to take note of (long - you may skip to summary at the end): You've probably all read the media reports about the completion of a first draft sequence of the human genome last month: http://www.sanger.ac.uk/HGP/draft2000/ Contrary to what the press hullabaloo might have suggested, this wasn't an end - it was a beginning. We haven't found the "source code" for the human species - we found the binary image in memory. Our task over the next few years (decades?) will be to disassemble that binary and get back to fully commented source code in a high level language. Calling this "difficult" may be the understatement of the new millennium. The science that is attempting this task is known as Bioinformatics. It is a already the focus of dozens of elite academic establishments around the world, and forms the backbone of a nascent multi-billion dollar industry. It is where computer science meets the biosciences - in fact, bioinformatics research requires massive amounts of processing power, and some of the bigger supercomputers in the world are dedicated to it. In terms of human scientific progress, this may well be "where it's at" for the next decade or so. Coming to this field from a commercial internet environment that would be familiar to many of you, where I too constantly fought the good fight against the hordes of Microsoft, I was amazed and not a little flabbergasted to find that here, Unix is the _only_ game in town. Literally. A bioinformatics application that runs on Windows? Never heard of one. You'd be ostracised for even suggesting it. Most bioinformatics applications are huge, monolithic, archaic, incredibly expensive and run on equally expensive commercial Unix boxes. SGI, Sun and Compaq all play big roles on the hardware side of things. They support the academic institutes with hardware, which means research crystallises into software that runs on their operating systems, which means they can move truckloads of boxes to big pharmaceuticals. As you might guess, a few insidious individuals down in the trenches have been saying, "Hey, this sucks. Look at those internet blokes developing all their software collaboratively and giving it away. We can do the same." And so a number of open source initiatives in the field of bioinformatics have been established, though most of them are still very young and immature. You can get some feel for the role of open source in bioinformatics by reading Lincoln Stein's article about "How Perl saved the Human Genome Project" here: http://www.bioperl.org/GetStarted/tpj_ls_bio.html Or see Ewan Birney's plea to help "Hack the Genome" on advogato: http://advogato.org/article/131.html Some of these projects - all of which will be the subjects of presentations at BOSC2000 - are: The Bio* projects - Bioperl, BioPython, BioJava, BioXML, BioCorba - they all have .org domains; you can guess the URLs. These tools all aim at providing the basic building blocks for developing bioinformatics applications in their respective environments. And there's a lot of cross-pollination going on too. Ensembl is a fully open source gene annotation pipeline. That'll take too long to explain, but you can find out a lot more on their site: http://www.ensembl.org/ DAS, the distributed annotation system, may be one of the killer apps of the field. You can find out more here... http://www.genetics.wustl.edu/eddy/people/robin/das And read the interesting Wired article about how DAS means gene research meets Napster, Gnutella and Freenet here: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,35404,00.html?tw=wn20000405 Oh, and Tim O'Reilly will provide a token presence from the open source side of things by delivering one of the keynotes. Right, this is turning into an article, but let me continue. Where does FreeBSD fit in? Unfortunately, nowhere yet. As more and more effort is put into open source bioinformatics, the word on everybody's lips is, of course, "Linux". Since this is an area where massive amounts of processing power is the norm, another word that has been bandied about is "Beowulf". However, the field is rooted in commercial Unix, and you can get a feel for some of the Linux vs. Unix debate from these pages: http://www.portlandpress.com/biochemist/cyber/0006/default.htm http://www2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/personal/rpg/CB/Linux.html They detail a specific lab's decision-making process. Eventually the lab went for an Alphaserver over a couple of Linux boxes, _mostly_ because of Linux's 2GB file size limit. Erk. As a FreeBSD user in bioinformatics, I see two obvious tasks ahead of me (when I can find the time between the myriad other things on my plate): - Educating the FreeBSD community about bioinformatics. - Educating the bioinformatics community about FreeBSD. In summary: Bioinformatics is a 100% Unix-dominated field - one of the few remaining. It is about to become a Very Big Thing indeed. Unless I (and others in my position) do some advocacy of FreeBSD as a stable, secure, standard platform, it is likely to be a Linux-dominated field a few years from now. I've started working on ports of some bioinformatics tools and will submit them in due course. I'd also like to provide some feedback after BOSC if anyone is interested. (Maybe I could get Daemon News interested?) -- Johann To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 27 4: 1:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.osd.bsdi.com (zippy.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5190F37B62C; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 04:01:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03226; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 04:01:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) To: Johann Visagie Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, janet@sanbi.ac.za Subject: Re: Bioinformatics Open Source Conference, 17-18 Aug, San Diego In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:28:55 +0200." <20000727122855.B414@fling.sanbi.ac.za> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 04:01:17 -0700 Message-ID: <3223.964695677@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Damn, I should've posted this earlier! > > The Bioinformatics Open Source Conference (BOSC - previously BioPerl) takes > place in San Diego on 17-18 August. Unfortunately registration has already > closed - hence my lament that I forgot to post earlier! See: > http://ismb00.sdsc.edu/bosc2000/ This looks very interesting - thank you also for the synopsis of Bioinformatics for us Bio-newbies here. :) I've contacted the organizers (cc'ing you) and offered them some free FreeBSD CDs if they'd like to make them available to attendees. We can only hope they'll take me up on it. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 27 4:32:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fling.sanbi.ac.za (fling.sanbi.ac.za [196.38.142.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC3537B608; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 04:32:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjv@cityip.co.za) Received: from johann by fling.sanbi.ac.za with local (Exim 3.13 #4) id 13Hltu-000B3R-00; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:32:30 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:32:28 +0200 From: Johann Visagie To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, janet@sanbi.ac.za Subject: Re: Bioinformatics Open Source Conference, 17-18 Aug, San Diego Message-ID: <20000727133228.A41231@fling.sanbi.ac.za> References: <20000727122855.B414@fling.sanbi.ac.za> <3223.964695677@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3223.964695677@localhost>; from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com on Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 04:01:17AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan K. Hubbard on 2000-07-27 (Thu) at 04:01:17 -0700: > > > The Bioinformatics Open Source Conference (BOSC - previously BioPerl) takes > > place in San Diego on 17-18 August. Unfortunately registration has already > > closed - hence my lament that I forgot to post earlier! See: > > http://ismb00.sdsc.edu/bosc2000/ > > This looks very interesting - thank you also for the synopsis of > Bioinformatics for us Bio-newbies here. :) :-) > I've contacted the organizers (cc'ing you) and offered them some free > FreeBSD CDs if they'd like to make them available to attendees. We > can only hope they'll take me up on it. Let me know if there is anything I can do (besides wearing my T-shirt :-) I will be attending both BOSC and its parent conference, Intelligent Systems for Molecular Biology (~770 attendees), with a delegation from the South African National Bioinformatics Institute. There will be at least two avid FreeBSD users in our ranks - myself included. Should the BOSC organisers not reply (and I don't see why they wouldn't) we could possibly hand out material on a more casual basis? -- Johann To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 27 4:42:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.osd.bsdi.com (zippy.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E818C37B669; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 04:42:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03377; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 04:42:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com) To: Johann Visagie Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, janet@sanbi.ac.za Subject: Re: Bioinformatics Open Source Conference, 17-18 Aug, San Diego In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:32:28 +0200." <20000727133228.A41231@fling.sanbi.ac.za> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 04:42:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3374.964698160@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Should the BOSC organisers not reply (and I don't see why they wouldn't) we > could possibly hand out material on a more casual basis? Very possibly, though you coming from .za means I'd have to ship the boxes somewhere near the conference and have you guys pick them up somehow once you entered the country - could be problematic. :) Let's hope we can do this more officially through the organizers (of both events?) for that reason alone. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 27 5: 2: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fling.sanbi.ac.za (fling.sanbi.ac.za [196.38.142.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125FB37B7BC; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 05:01:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjv@cityip.co.za) Received: from johann by fling.sanbi.ac.za with local (Exim 3.13 #4) id 13HmMB-000NK7-00; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:01:43 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:01:43 +0200 From: Johann Visagie To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: janet@sanbi.ac.za, advocacy@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bioinformatics Open Source Conference, 17-18 Aug, San Diego Message-ID: <20000727140143.B41231@fling.sanbi.ac.za> References: <20000727133228.A41231@fling.sanbi.ac.za> <3374.964698160@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3374.964698160@localhost>; from jkh@zippy.osd.bsdi.com on Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 04:42:40AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan K. Hubbard on 2000-07-27 (Thu) at 04:42:40 -0700: > > > Should the BOSC organisers not reply (and I don't see why they wouldn't) we > > could possibly hand out material on a more casual basis? > > Very possibly, though you coming from .za means I'd have to ship the > boxes somewhere near the conference and have you guys pick them up > somehow once you entered the country - could be problematic. :) Not necessarily - the director of our institute will be staying in San Diego with a personal friend, and I'm sure that if necessary, said friend could accept a package on our behalf. > Let's hope we can do this more officially through the organizers (of both > events?) for that reason alone. That's still preferable, certainly. :-) BTW, the main ISMB conference is a different kettle of fish compared to BOSC. It is _the_ premier annual event in computational biology. It has an attached exhibition where many of the big name commercial Unix vendors will be hosting booths this year. More info at: http://ismb00.sdsc.edu/ http://ismb00.sdsc.edu/exhibitor.html -- Johann To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 27 5:51:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from 1upmc-msx4.isdip.upmc.edu (1upmc-msx4.isdbu.upmc.edu [128.147.18.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D641D37B6F9 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 05:51:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from personrp@ccbh.com) Received: by 1upmc-msx4.isdbu.upmc.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:51:11 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Person, Roderick" To: 'James Howard' , John Cc: Haikal Saadh , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: A depressing thought.. Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:50:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My favorite told to me by a co-worker, after I told him I only use NT and M$ stuff at work and since he hate NT and M$ why does he use it at home. "Everybody else uses it, so I do too." I seem to think, if you have this attitude among people with technical knowledge that M$ will remain the dominate OS dispute the fact that it sucks. Roderick P. Person Programmer II Crystal Administrator (412)454-2616 personrp@ccbh.com "If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" Albert Einstein -----Original Message----- From: James Howard [mailto:howardjp@glue.umd.edu] Sent: July 26, 2000 10:06 PM To: John Cc: Haikal Saadh; advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A depressing thought.. On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, John wrote: > "Go with NT. After all, it's a Bill Gates World." I once heard in a staff meeting, "Microsoft is the world," as the argument for replacing tried and true OpenVMS systems with WinNT. Oh well. J~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 27 6:13:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtpf.casema.net (smtpf.casema.net [195.96.96.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F2F4737B7B5 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 06:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aernoudt@wanadoo.nl) Received: (qmail 18844 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jul 2000 13:13:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wanadoo.nl) (212.64.80.179) by smtpf.casema.net with SMTP; 27 Jul 2000 13:13:39 -0000 Message-ID: <398035FF.128C3578@wanadoo.nl> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:15:43 +0200 From: Aernoudt Bottemanne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; OpenBSD 2.7 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Person, Roderick" Cc: 'James Howard' , John , Haikal Saadh , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A depressing thought.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Person, Roderick" wrote: > > My favorite told to me by a co-worker, after I told him I only use NT and M$ > stuff at work and since he hate NT and M$ why does he use it at home. > > "Everybody else uses it, so I do too." > > I seem to think, if you have this attitude among people with technical > knowledge that M$ will remain the dominate OS dispute the fact that it > sucks. Unfortunately I think you are right here... An other nice excuse is the fact that "the company has put time and money in the training of people on NT" But, if we don't spread the word of our superior OS, it will remain so forever: therefore lets keep optimistic and keep spreading the good stuff about *BSD ! Aernoudt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 27 7:19:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from isy.liu.se (isy.liu.se [130.236.48.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D3C37B8E6 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:19:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mj@isy.liu.se) Received: from lagrange.isy.liu.se (lagrange.isy.liu.se [130.236.49.127]) by isy.liu.se (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6REJXn27029 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:19:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200007240911.LAA82122@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:19:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Micke Josefsson To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD poster idea. Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 24-Jul-00 Oliver Fromme wrote: > In list.freebsd-advocacy Mark Ovens wrote: > > Oliver, that poster looks great. I wonder if it could be done in > > colour (the colours of the daemon)? > > OK, now there are three versions: > > http://www.fromme.com/ports.ps.gz (35 Kbyte) > http://www.fromme.com/portscolor.ps.gz (230 Kbyte) > http://www.fromme.com/portscolorbox.ps.gz (450 Kbyte) > > The first one is the black&white version that you already > know. The second one is the same, but the characters are > colored. Finally, in the third one I've used colored > boxes and overlaid them with white characters. > Yeah, you can do funny things in TeX. :) > > By the way, when using gv to preview the colored versions, > you have to TURN OFF gv's antialiasing! Otherwise it will > display garbage. > > Regards > Oliver Use poster from ports to slice it up into smaller parts which later can be put together using scissors and tape. It grows a bit though: My 2 columns by 3 rows A4 (to make it A1) was some 17Megs. But quite nice when run through our colour laser! I really think this kind of marketing stuff is needed. Perhaps versions augmented with an URL? There is also the penguin made entirely out of /usr/src - but using ports may be a more novel and attractive approach? /Micke ---------------------------------- Michael Josefsson, MSEE mj@isy.liu.se This message was sent by XFMail running on FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 27 8:53:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from superconductor.rush.net (superconductor.rush.net [208.9.155.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665F937B990; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:53:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trish@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (trish@localhost) by superconductor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24265; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:53:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Siobhan Patricia Lynch X-Sender: trish@superconductor.rush.net To: Johann Visagie Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, janet@sanbi.ac.za Subject: Re: Bioinformatics Open Source Conference, 17-18 Aug, San Diego In-Reply-To: <20000727122855.B414@fling.sanbi.ac.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As the BSD columnist for Open the Magazine, I wouldn't mind some more information, maybe I can give a little more exposure to BSD in the bioinformatics field, drop me a line, we can set up a time to talk. -Trish __ Trish Lynch FreeBSD - The Power to Serve trish@bsdunix.net Rush Networking trish@rush.net On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Johann Visagie wrote: > Damn, I should've posted this earlier! > > The Bioinformatics Open Source Conference (BOSC - previously BioPerl) takes > place in San Diego on 17-18 August. Unfortunately registration has already > closed - hence my lament that I forgot to post earlier! See: > http://ismb00.sdsc.edu/bosc2000/ > > I will be attending with others from my company and our associated academic > institute (http://www.sanbi.ac.za/). > > Some background as to why this is something FreeBSD users might want to take > note of (long - you may skip to summary at the end): > > You've probably all read the media reports about the completion of a first > draft sequence of the human genome last month: > http://www.sanger.ac.uk/HGP/draft2000/ > > Contrary to what the press hullabaloo might have suggested, this wasn't an > end - it was a beginning. We haven't found the "source code" for the human > species - we found the binary image in memory. Our task over the next few > years (decades?) will be to disassemble that binary and get back to fully > commented source code in a high level language. Calling this "difficult" may > be the understatement of the new millennium. > > > The science that is attempting this task is known as Bioinformatics. It is a > already the focus of dozens of elite academic establishments around the > world, and forms the backbone of a nascent multi-billion dollar industry. It > is where computer science meets the biosciences - in fact, bioinformatics > research requires massive amounts of processing power, and some of the bigger > supercomputers in the world are dedicated to it. In terms of human > scientific progress, this may well be "where it's at" for the next decade or > so. > > > Coming to this field from a commercial internet environment that would be > familiar to many of you, where I too constantly fought the good fight against > the hordes of Microsoft, I was amazed and not a little flabbergasted to find > that here, Unix is the _only_ game in town. Literally. A bioinformatics > application that runs on Windows? Never heard of one. You'd be ostracised > for even suggesting it. > > Most bioinformatics applications are huge, monolithic, archaic, incredibly > expensive and run on equally expensive commercial Unix boxes. SGI, Sun and > Compaq all play big roles on the hardware side of things. They support the > academic institutes with hardware, which means research crystallises into > software that runs on their operating systems, which means they can move > truckloads of boxes to big pharmaceuticals. > > As you might guess, a few insidious individuals down in the trenches have > been saying, "Hey, this sucks. Look at those internet blokes developing all > their software collaboratively and giving it away. We can do the same." And > so a number of open source initiatives in the field of bioinformatics have > been established, though most of them are still very young and immature. > > You can get some feel for the role of open source in bioinformatics by > reading Lincoln Stein's article about "How Perl saved the Human Genome > Project" here: > http://www.bioperl.org/GetStarted/tpj_ls_bio.html > > Or see Ewan Birney's plea to help "Hack the Genome" on advogato: > http://advogato.org/article/131.html > > Some of these projects - all of which will be the subjects of presentations at > BOSC2000 - are: > > The Bio* projects - Bioperl, BioPython, BioJava, BioXML, BioCorba - they all > have .org domains; you can guess the URLs. These tools all aim at providing > the basic building blocks for developing bioinformatics applications in their > respective environments. And there's a lot of cross-pollination going on > too. > > Ensembl is a fully open source gene annotation pipeline. That'll take too > long to explain, but you can find out a lot more on their site: > http://www.ensembl.org/ > > DAS, the distributed annotation system, may be one of the killer apps of the > field. You can find out more here... > http://www.genetics.wustl.edu/eddy/people/robin/das > > And read the interesting Wired article about how DAS means gene research > meets Napster, Gnutella and Freenet here: > http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,35404,00.html?tw=wn20000405 > > Oh, and Tim O'Reilly will provide a token presence from the open source side > of things by delivering one of the keynotes. > > Right, this is turning into an article, but let me continue. Where does > FreeBSD fit in? Unfortunately, nowhere yet. As more and more effort is put > into open source bioinformatics, the word on everybody's lips is, of course, > "Linux". Since this is an area where massive amounts of processing power is > the norm, another word that has been bandied about is "Beowulf". However, > the field is rooted in commercial Unix, and you can get a feel for some of > the Linux vs. Unix debate from these pages: > > http://www.portlandpress.com/biochemist/cyber/0006/default.htm > http://www2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/personal/rpg/CB/Linux.html > > They detail a specific lab's decision-making process. Eventually the lab > went for an Alphaserver over a couple of Linux boxes, _mostly_ because of > Linux's 2GB file size limit. Erk. > > As a FreeBSD user in bioinformatics, I see two obvious tasks ahead of me > (when I can find the time between the myriad other things on my plate): > - Educating the FreeBSD community about bioinformatics. > - Educating the bioinformatics community about FreeBSD. > > In summary: > > Bioinformatics is a 100% Unix-dominated field - one of the few remaining. It > is about to become a Very Big Thing indeed. Unless I (and others in my > position) do some advocacy of FreeBSD as a stable, secure, standard platform, > it is likely to be a Linux-dominated field a few years from now. > > I've started working on ports of some bioinformatics tools and will submit > them in due course. I'd also like to provide some feedback after BOSC if > anyone is interested. (Maybe I could get Daemon News interested?) > > -- Johann > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jul 27 13:48:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from klapaucius.zer0.org (klapaucius.zer0.org [204.152.186.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0814337B92E; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:48:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by klapaucius.zer0.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA34747; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:47:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) X-Authentication-Warning: klapaucius.zer0.org: gsutter set sender to gsutter@zer0.org using -f Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:47:57 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Johann Visagie Cc: chat@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org, janet@sanbi.ac.za Subject: Re: Bioinformatics Open Source Conference, 17-18 Aug, San Diego Message-ID: <20000727134757.A34437@klapaucius.zer0.org> References: <20000727122855.B414@fling.sanbi.ac.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000727122855.B414@fling.sanbi.ac.za>; from wjv@cityip.co.za on Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 12:28:55PM +0200 Organization: daemonnews Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2000-07-27 12:28 +0200, Johann Visagie wrote: > > Bioinformatics is a 100% Unix-dominated field - one of the few > remaining. It is about to become a Very Big Thing indeed. Unless I > (and others in my position) do some advocacy of FreeBSD as a stable, > secure, standard platform, it is likely to be a Linux-dominated field > a few years from now. > > I've started working on ports of some bioinformatics tools and will > submit them in due course. I'd also like to provide some feedback > after BOSC if anyone is interested. (Maybe I could get Daemon News > interested?) I think you could get Daemon News interested! If the conference yields information of potential relevance to BSD, drop us a line at articles@daemonnews.org with an outline of your topic. Personally, I would love to see the bioinformatics algorithms and software distributed as open source. Anything that is more of a weapon against Celera's proprietary attitude toward the human genome is a huge benefit! Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Heisenberg might have been here. mailto:gsutter@daemonnews.org PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message