From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 20 12:40:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B3637B43E for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 12:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA19333; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 15:31:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200008201931.PAA19333@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "K" Cc: "Advocacy List" Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 15:41:17 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Freebsd in the Enterprise world. Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 05:26:48 -0700, K wrote: >We're setting up an enterprise environment and so of course we'll be using >shared storage (Symmetrix) products from EMC. This is one thing I discussed some weeks back on an Egroups list I formed to discuss BSD in the corporate/organization environment. I had a simmilar situtation in that I wanted to use a shared external SCSI box on FreeBSD. I found a way to get around it, but such support simply is not there for FreeBSD. The longer I use FreeBSD at work the more sadden I get in that FreeBSD seems more like an ISP/Internet OS. The type of things needed in corporations are just not there. >we must use Solaris. I also ended up having to run part of the things I needed to run on Solaris. On my case it was due to Sendmail Switch not been available for FreeBSD. >In any event, I urge all of you that give the slightest damn about FreeBSD >having any kind of place in the enterprise world to contact EMC and ask them >to *register* your request for FreeBSD support. We could, but I doubt it would do much. About the best thing that could happen is if a competitor came up with something.. then they would listen. >in support for FreeBSD in Enterprise environments are being removed. Very slowly. francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Aug 20 16:24:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe53.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF47037B422 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:24:07 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.245.175.237] From: "K" To: "Francisco Reyes" Cc: "Advocacy List" References: <200008201931.PAA19333@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Subject: Re: Freebsd in the Enterprise world. Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 16:41:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2000 23:24:07.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCC9F690:01C00AFD] Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "K" Cc: "Advocacy List" Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Freebsd in the Enterprise world. > On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 05:26:48 -0700, K wrote: > > >We're setting up an enterprise environment and so of course we'll be using > >shared storage (Symmetrix) products from EMC. > > > This is one thing I discussed some weeks back on an Egroups list > I formed to discuss BSD in the corporate/organization > environment. I had a simmilar situtation in that I wanted to use > a shared external SCSI box on FreeBSD. I found a way to get > around it, but such support simply is not there for FreeBSD. > > The longer I use FreeBSD at work the more sadden I get in that > FreeBSD seems more like an ISP/Internet OS. The type of things > needed in corporations are just not there. > > >we must use Solaris. > > I also ended up having to run part of the things I needed to run > on Solaris. On my case it was due to Sendmail Switch not been > available for FreeBSD. Sendmail Switch was your largest problem? Sheesh, that's the most simple issue with us. However we are Postfix fans and that of course runs on FreeBSD. > > >In any event, I urge all of you that give the slightest damn about FreeBSD > >having any kind of place in the enterprise world to contact EMC and ask them > >to *register* your request for FreeBSD support. > > We could, but I doubt it would do much. About the best thing > that could happen is if a competitor came up with something.. > then they would listen. It's often so aggrevating. I understand corporations' position, hell, we're one as well and maintaining ports that won't be used doesn't make sense, but I guess I'm a trifle emotional in that I just get so sad that I cannot make FreeBSD the standard in my firm when I know it would be the absolute best choice. > > > >in support for FreeBSD in Enterprise environments are being removed. > > > Very slowly. > > > > francisco > Moderator of the Corporate BSD list > http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate > > Thank you very much for replying to my post. Ciao, Kelly To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Aug 22 17: 2:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from oldserver.demon.nl (oldserver.demon.nl [212.238.105.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FFC37B43F for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oldserver.demon.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20531 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:02:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@oldserver.demon.nl) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:02:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Marc Schneiders X-Sender: marc@unclad.freebeastie.org To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: CD-ROM with magazine Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems I am getting further with convincing a Dutch PC-magazine that it is a great idea to put FreeBSD on the CD-ROM that comes with the magazine. To avoid disappointments I am looking for three things: 1. Info about the expected date for the release of 4.2. It would look very silly if the magazine came out with 4.1 and 4.2 is there a week later (or earlier...) 2. Examples of CD-ROM's other than the 'official' one. That is a full CD. They won't give me that, I think. Examples of a 'distro' (sorry) of 300 MB would be great.Are there any? 3. Would it look very bad to leave out most of src from the CD? Say only include src/sys material? But then sysinstall would have to be tweaked, right? Thx! -- Marc Schneiders --- marc@venster.nl --- marc@schneiders.org FreeBSD unclad.freebeastie.org 5.0-CURRENT (SMP) NetBSD vax.freebeastie.org 1.4Y To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Aug 22 17:28:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFA937B423 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA49372; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:28:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Marc Schneiders Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-ROM with magazine In-Reply-To: Message from Marc Schneiders of "Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:02:03 +0200." Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:28:32 -0700 Message-ID: <49368.966990512@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > 1. Info about the expected date for the release of 4.2. It would look > very silly if the magazine came out with 4.1 and 4.2 is there a week > later (or earlier...) I think it would be realistic to expect 4.2 sometime around the end of November. > 2. Examples of CD-ROM's other than the 'official' one. That is a full > CD. They won't give me that, I think. Examples of a 'distro' > (sorry) of 300 MB would be great.Are there any? I don't know of any smaller ones, to be honest. Why would they not give you a full CD? > 3. Would it look very bad to leave out most of src from the CD? Say Well, it would look bad for all the GPL bits, though if you point to the FTP site(s) which contain the data you're at least within your rights under that agreement. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Aug 22 18: 0: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D33737B422 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23465; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:59:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 02:59:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200008230059.CAA23465@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-ROM with magazine X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-advocacy In-Reply-To: <8nv4aj$2617$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> Organization: Administration TU Clausthal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-19991219-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In list.freebsd-advocacy Marc Schneiders wrote: > 1. Info about the expected date for the release of 4.2. It would look > very silly if the magazine came out with 4.1 and 4.2 is there a week > later (or earlier...) November 15th, I think. > 2. Examples of CD-ROM's other than the 'official' one. That is a full > CD. They won't give me that, I think. Examples of a 'distro' > (sorry) of 300 MB would be great.Are there any? > > 3. Would it look very bad to leave out most of src from the CD? For an "open source" project it would probably look somewhat bad. On the other hand, space on a magazine's CD-ROM is probably very limited, and sources are useful for only a small number of users (except kernel sources, of course). You should at least include a clear advise where to find the sources (FTP, CVSup, whatever). > Say > only include src/sys material? But then sysinstall would have to be > tweaked, right? Well, it depends. If a user selects "everything" in the distribution sets menu, the installation will fail because some sets are missing. If you want to avoid that, you'll have to tweak sysinstall, indeed. Otherwise, if you trust the users to be wise enough to not select anything that's not on the CD, you'll be OK with the original sysinstall (however, be sure to include some docs that point out clearly that fact). Take a look at the ISO images at ftp7.de.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CD-ROM-images/4.1-RELEASE/ There are two "barebones" ISO images. The first one is about 210 Mbytes; it contains the complete base system (with all sources) plus XFree86. If you have a 300 Mbyte limit, then you still have 90 Mbyte left to include some important packages, like a few shells, editors, clients, maybe one or two window managers and some small X apps. Although the Gnome crowd will hate you if you include KDE, and vice versa, and there's probably no space for both. ;-) Be careful to include all packages which are required by dependencies [1]. The second ISO is even just 83 Mbytes. There is no X, and some less important distribution sets have been omitted. It contains just bin, catpages, compat*, crypto, ports and src/ssys (kernel sources only). Maybe that gives you some ideas. Regards Oliver PS: [1] For finding out package dependencies, I've written a small script. It's very helpful when putting packages on CD-ROMs. I've used it extensively for the German Lehmanns editions of FreeBSD. You can find it here: http://www.fromme.com/scripts/pkg_dep -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Addresses will change soon!! If in doubt: www.fromme.com "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 23 10:47:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931BB37B424 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish.my.domain ([62.253.87.36]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000823174713.VHDE16423.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@parish.my.domain>; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:47:13 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01488; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:47:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:46:56 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: Marc Schneiders , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CD-ROM with magazine Message-ID: <20000823184656.A254@parish> References: <49368.966990512@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <49368.966990512@winston.osd.bsdi.com>; from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com on Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 05:28:32PM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 05:28:32PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > 1. Info about the expected date for the release of 4.2. It would look > > very silly if the magazine came out with 4.1 and 4.2 is there a week > > later (or earlier...) > > I think it would be realistic to expect 4.2 sometime around the end of > November. > > > 2. Examples of CD-ROM's other than the 'official' one. That is a full > > CD. They won't give me that, I think. Examples of a 'distro' > > (sorry) of 300 MB would be great.Are there any? > > I don't know of any smaller ones, to be honest. Why would they > not give you a full CD? > Is there any reason why they [cw]ould not put a full FreeBSD CD as well as their regular one? This happens a lot with UK mags when they are giving away the full (previous) version of some application or other. Maybe BSDi could help out with that? > > 3. Would it look very bad to leave out most of src from the CD? Say > > Well, it would look bad for all the GPL bits, though if you point > to the FTP site(s) which contain the data you're at least within > your rights under that agreement. > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 23 11:53:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from oldserver.demon.nl (oldserver.demon.nl [212.238.105.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9E737B423; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 11:53:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oldserver.demon.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22611; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:52:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@oldserver.demon.nl) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:52:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Marc Schneiders X-Sender: marc@unclad.freebeastie.org To: Mark Ovens Cc: Jordan Hubbard , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CD-ROM with magazine In-Reply-To: <20000823184656.A254@parish> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Mark Ovens wrote: > On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 05:28:32PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: [...] > > > 2. Examples of CD-ROM's other than the 'official' one. That is a full > > > CD. They won't give me that, I think. Examples of a 'distro' > > > (sorry) of 300 MB would be great.Are there any? > > > > I don't know of any smaller ones, to be honest. Why would they > > not give you a full CD? > > > > Is there any reason why they [cw]ould not put a full FreeBSD CD as > well as their regular one? This happens a lot with UK mags when they > are giving away the full (previous) version of some application or > other. Maybe BSDi could help out with that? I will take the matter to the magazine. The obvious reason would be that a second CD costs extra money. But you guessed that already. Thanks for all the responses. I have some facts to go by now. And some time, as I presume the magazine will want to wait for 4.2 and make it a Christmas gift :-) -- Marc Schneiders --- marc@venster.nl --- marc@schneiders.org FreeBSD unclad.freebeastie.org 5.0-CURRENT (SMP) NetBSD vax.freebeastie.org 1.4Y To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 23 14:35:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 47A9C37B422 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 14:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 97892 invoked by alias); 23 Aug 2000 21:34:53 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 97828 invoked by uid 0); 23 Aug 2000 21:34:51 -0000 Received: from ldialup130.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.224.203.130) by slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 23 Aug 2000 21:34:51 -0000 Message-ID: <39A4428C.F281CDAB@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:30:52 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Coleman , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, jreed@internet.com Subject: Re: [dn-editors] I have a story.. References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F58F0D134CADBD63582FA318" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --------------F58F0D134CADBD63582FA318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe. Thankyou for your submission. However, it is impolite to submit an article to more than one place, without them first declining to publish it. Chris, I wasn't aware that there was some kind of rule or that it would be considered impolite to submit an article to more than one site. I worked hard on this article and spent most of a day, trying to write it. I wrote the article and submitted it to more than one site, hoping to help others and spread the word about a useful application that runs on FreeBSD. It's rules/attitudes like this that make it very discouraging when someone like myself, is just trying to help the rest of the BSD community. In the future, if I come up with some information that I think would help others or I have an idea for another article, I will certainly think hard about sharing it or writing it at all. Thanks for nothing. Joe Chris Coleman wrote: > Joe. Thankyou for your submission. However, it is impolite to submit an > article to more than one place, without them first declining to publish > it. > > Since your article is already published on BSD Tday, we will not be > publishing it. Thankyou for considering us for publication. > > Chris Coleman > Daemon News > http://www.daemonnews.org > Bringing BSD together > > On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, Joe Warner wrote: > > > I didn't have this in HTML, so I thought I'd send it to you in hopes > > that you might consider posting it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe > > > > ---------CUT HERE------------------------------ > > > > Using the Ethereal Network Analyzer > > > > One of the main uses of my FreeBSD box at work has been as a network > > analyzer, using Ethereal from the ports collection. I use it quite > > frequently to troubleshoot, among other things, slow network performance > > on our LAN. This has also been one of the main arguments that I've used > > to justify having a PC, running FreeBSD in a primarily Microsoft/IBM > > shop. Recently, we had some users experiencing big delays when trying > > to install a piece of software on our corporate WAN, while dialed in > > with a 56k connection from home. We had one of the users bring their PC > > in and we put a NIC card in it to install the software from our LAN. > > The install process took less time, since our connection to corporate's > > LAN was at least 512k but it was still a little slow. One of my > > managers requested that I run a trace on this machines IP address during > > the whole install process, so that we could make a better determination > > as to how long and how much data would be transmitted. I ran a > > successful trace and came up with a lot of useful information like: > > Total number of packets, packet length, packet protocol and total time. > > With this information, we were able to draw the conclusion that the > > install while dialed into our LAN from home would take too long and as a > > result, it was decided to put the software on CD and be made available > > to our users for checkout. > > > > Here is a really great article on the use of the Ethereal Network > > Analyzer: > > > > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/08/16/FreeBSD_Basics.html > > > > ....Funny, I got this from a Linux.com Newsletter that I subscribed to, > > back when I was using Linux. > > > > Enjoy > > > > Joe > > > > -- > > > > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! > > > > ---------------CUT HERE----------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > > > FreeBSD = The Power to Serve > > ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! > > > > > > > > Daemon News, bringing BSD together. > > > > -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! --------------F58F0D134CADBD63582FA318 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joe.  Thankyou for your submission.  However, it is impolite to submit an
article to more than one place, without them first declining to publish
it.

Chris,

   I wasn't aware that there was some kind of rule or that it would be considered impolite to submit an article to more than one site.  I worked hard on this article and spent most of a day, trying to write it.  I wrote the article and submitted it to more than one site, hoping to help others and spread the word about a useful application that runs on FreeBSD.  It's rules/attitudes like this that make it very discouraging when someone like myself, is just trying to help the rest of the BSD community.  In the future, if I come up with some information that I think would help others or I have an idea for another article, I will certainly think hard about sharing it or writing it at all.  Thanks for nothing.

Joe
 

Chris Coleman wrote:

Joe.  Thankyou for your submission.  However, it is impolite to submit an
article to more than one place, without them first declining to publish
it.

Since your article is already published on BSD Tday, we will not be
publishing it.  Thankyou for considering us for publication.

Chris Coleman
Daemon News
http://www.daemonnews.org
Bringing BSD together

On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, Joe Warner wrote:

> I didn't have this in HTML, so I thought I'd send it to you in hopes
> that you might consider posting it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
> ---------CUT HERE------------------------------
>
> Using the Ethereal Network Analyzer
>
> One of the main uses of my FreeBSD box at work has been as a network
> analyzer, using Ethereal from the ports collection.  I use it quite
> frequently to troubleshoot, among other things, slow network performance
> on our LAN.  This has also been one of the main arguments that I've used
> to justify having a PC, running FreeBSD in a primarily Microsoft/IBM
> shop.  Recently, we had some users experiencing big delays when trying
> to install a piece of software on our corporate WAN, while dialed in
> with a 56k connection from home.  We had one of the users bring their PC
> in and we put a NIC card in it to install the software from our LAN.
> The install process took less time, since our connection to corporate's
> LAN was at least 512k but it was still a little slow.  One of my
> managers requested that I run a trace on this machines IP address during
> the whole install process, so that we could make a better determination
> as to how long and how much data would be transmitted.  I ran a
> successful trace and came up with a lot of useful information like:
> Total number of packets, packet length, packet protocol and total time.
> With this information, we were able to draw the conclusion that the
> install while dialed into our LAN from home would take too long and as a
> result, it was decided to put the software on CD and be made available
> to our users for checkout.
>
>      Here is a really great article on the use of the Ethereal Network
> Analyzer:
>
> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/08/16/FreeBSD_Basics.html
>
> ....Funny, I got this from a Linux.com Newsletter that I subscribed to,
> back when I was using Linux.
>
> Enjoy
>
> Joe
>
> --
>
>     FreeBSD = The Power to Serve
>      ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks!
>
> ---------------CUT HERE-----------------------------------------
>
> --
>
>     FreeBSD = The Power to Serve
>      ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks!
>
>
>
> Daemon News, bringing BSD together.
>
>

--

    FreeBSD = The Power to Serve
     ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks!
  --------------F58F0D134CADBD63582FA318-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 23 15:25:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net [206.206.98.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C22F37B423; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Silver-Lynx.com (abq-058.thuntek.net [207.66.52.58]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA97891; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:25:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Don@Silver-Lynx.com) Message-ID: <39A44F91.7E2E32F8@Silver-Lynx.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 16:26:25 -0600 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: Don@Silver-Lynx.com Organization: Silver Lynx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Warner Cc: Chris Coleman , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [dn-editors] I have a story.. References: <39A4428C.F281CDAB@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joe Warner wrote: > > Joe. Thankyou for your submission. However, it is impolite to submit > an > article to more than one place, without them first declining to > publish > it. > > Chris, > > I wasn't aware that there was some kind of rule or that it would be > considered impolite to submit an article to more than one site. I > worked hard on this article and spent most of a day, trying to write > it. I wrote the article and submitted it to more than one site, > hoping to help others and spread the word about a useful application > that runs on FreeBSD. It's rules/attitudes like this that make it > very discouraging when someone like myself, is just trying to help the > rest of the BSD community. In the future, if I come up with some > information that I think would help others or I have an idea for > another article, I will certainly think hard about sharing it or > writing it at all. Thanks for nothing. > It's a general rule in writing, Joe, it's not something that's new to Chris or DaemonNews or to web publishing. Do that to any commercial or trade publisher and you'll never see print. It's Just The Way It Is. -- Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Silver-Lynx.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 23 17:32:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33FB37B423; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07599; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:32:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <200008240032.UAA07599@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: [dn-editors] I have a story.. In-Reply-To: <39A44F91.7E2E32F8@Silver-Lynx.com> from Don Wilde at "Aug 23, 2000 4:26:25 pm" To: Don@Silver-Lynx.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jswarner@uswest.net, chrisc@vmunix.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It's a general rule in writing, Joe, it's not something that's new to > Chris or DaemonNews or to web publishing. Do that to any commercial or > trade publisher and you'll never see print. It's Just The Way It Is. The exceptions to this rule are so rare as to be explicitly marked as "Accepts Simultaneous Submissions" in market listings. To the best of my knowledge, no tech publisher accepts simultaneous submissions. Sorry, Joe, this one isn't a FreeBSD limitation, it's a publishing one. Yes, publishing guidelines suck. There are entire newsgroups dedicated to discussing exactly how. :) ==ml To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Aug 23 21:40:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1123937B43C for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA31535; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:32:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200008240432.AAA31535@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Chris Coleman" , "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Joe Warner" Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:41:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <39A4428C.F281CDAB@uswest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [dn-editors] I have a story.. Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 15:30:52 -0600, Joe Warner wrote: >In the future, if I come up with some information that I think would help others or I have an >idea for another article, I will certainly think hard about sharing it or writing it at all. >Thanks for nothing. Joe, I think that it is about been pratical. If you write a good article and someone publishes it then other sites can just have a link to it. Daily Daemon news could have had a link to the article. If the article was published in more than one place several people worked harder than they had to plus it only, very, marginally added more visibility to the article. francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Aug 24 8:12:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.ninth-circle.org (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2080C37B422 for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19984 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:12:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:12:40 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: corporate FreeBSD article Message-ID: <20000824171240.J13712@lucifer.bart.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think I saw enough ``What is FreeBSD'' texts/URLs for corporate lusers posted in the past, however, a quick glance through the archives doesn't reveal much. Anyone with a good link/text? Thanks! -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl If you would thoroughly know anything, teach it to others... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message