From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Nov 19 3:33:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg128-012.ricochet.net [204.179.128.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818E237B479; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 03:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA03153; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 03:33:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200011191133.DAA03153@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 03:33:15 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: Good BSD press in feedmag To: des@ofug.org Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 16 Nov, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > "The underground's latest heroes are the directors of software > projects based on 4.4 BSD Lite, the free operating system pioneered at > the University of California at Berkeley in the late 1970s. The gratis > software churned out by projects like FreeBSD and OpenBSD is > inarguably superior to most mainstream Linux distributions, both in > terms of security and portability." > I read the article, as much as I could stand. While the article is about DefCon and takes more time to illustrate Theo De Raadt as a hacker, it's difficult to read. Mostly it seems from the authors need to educate us on large words that barely fit into the article. That and run-on sentences and scretching the grammer where barely plausible. I guess I should be the last to speak as sometime my rant extend into nothing-ness. Hence, read this after at least a good cup of coffee or a six-pack of Jolt. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Nov 19 7:55:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from satan.freebsdsystems.com (satan.freebsdsystems.com [24.69.168.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FBF837B4C5; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 07:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from satan.freebsdsystems.com (satan.freebsdsystems.com [24.69.168.5]) by satan.freebsdsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAJFt4O91514; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:55:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:55:04 -0500 (EST) From: Lanny Baron To: opentrax@email.com Cc: des@ofug.org, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good BSD press in feedmag In-Reply-To: <200011191133.DAA03153@spammie.svbug.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I scanned the article quickly. I personally think they (the writer(s) of the article should find out the difference between a hacker and a craker. --lnb On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, opentrax@email.com in the last wild and more than...: > > >On 16 Nov, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: >> >> >> "The underground's latest heroes are the directors of software >> projects based on 4.4 BSD Lite, the free operating system pioneered at >> the University of California at Berkeley in the late 1970s. The gratis >> software churned out by projects like FreeBSD and OpenBSD is >> inarguably superior to most mainstream Linux distributions, both in >> terms of security and portability." >> >I read the article, as much as I could stand. >While the article is about DefCon and takes more time to >illustrate Theo De Raadt as a hacker, it's difficult to read. >Mostly it seems from the authors need to educate us on >large words that barely fit into the article. That and run-on >sentences and scretching the grammer where barely plausible. > >I guess I should be the last to speak as sometime my >rant extend into nothing-ness. Hence, read this after at least >a good cup of coffee or a six-pack of Jolt. > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Nov 19 8: 2:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.va.home.com (ha1.rdc1.va.home.com [24.2.32.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C45537B479; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:02:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.com ([24.5.226.113]) by mail.rdc1.va.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001119160249.NPGT12834.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@home.com>; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 08:02:49 -0800 Message-ID: <3A181624.B8EDA559@home.com> Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:04:20 -0800 From: Christian Ambrose X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lanny Baron , chat@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Good BSD press in feedmag References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think the authors do know, but they just don't think of it in those terms. Lanny Baron wrote: > > Hi, > I scanned the article quickly. I personally think they (the writer(s) of > the article should find out the difference between a hacker and a craker. > > --lnb > > On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, opentrax@email.com in the last wild and more than...: > > > > > > >On 16 Nov, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > >> > >> > >> "The underground's latest heroes are the directors of software > >> projects based on 4.4 BSD Lite, the free operating system pioneered at > >> the University of California at Berkeley in the late 1970s. The gratis > >> software churned out by projects like FreeBSD and OpenBSD is > >> inarguably superior to most mainstream Linux distributions, both in > >> terms of security and portability." > >> > >I read the article, as much as I could stand. > >While the article is about DefCon and takes more time to > >illustrate Theo De Raadt as a hacker, it's difficult to read. > >Mostly it seems from the authors need to educate us on > >large words that barely fit into the article. That and run-on > >sentences and scretching the grammer where barely plausible. > > > >I guess I should be the last to speak as sometime my > >rant extend into nothing-ness. Hence, read this after at least > >a good cup of coffee or a six-pack of Jolt. > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Nov 19 9:58:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 508CF37B479; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 09:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23866; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:58:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Lanny Baron Cc: opentrax@email.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good BSD press in feedmag References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 19 Nov 2000 18:58:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: Lanny Baron's message of "Sun, 19 Nov 2000 10:55:04 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lanny Baron writes: > I scanned the article quickly. I personally think they (the writer(s) of > the article should find out the difference between a hacker and a craker. They know it just fine. Look for the paragraph that starts with "TO THOSE UNFAMILIAR" in red letters. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Nov 19 22: 3:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from ns.bratsk.net.ru (ns.bratsk.net.ru [195.46.102.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F8737B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:03:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from gedeon (96.237.dial.irtel.ru [195.46.96.237]) by ns.bratsk.net.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA67355 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:07:07 +0800 (IRKT) (envelope-from posonsky@iname.ru) From: "Stanislav Posonsky" To: Subject: About The Symbolism Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:03:52 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! Can anyone give me an answer to my question why an impish creature is an emblem of FreeBSD? And concerning the watchword `FreeBSD: The Power to Serve`, what power is implied? I like FreeBSD itself. It is a nice and the coolest OS of all times and peoples! At the same time as an Orthodox believer I cannot and should not use it because of such an ambiguous (or may be not ambiguous?) symbolism. I think that the present state of things may present a serious obstacle to a wider spread of FreeBSD in countries traditionally professing Christianity, Judaism and Islam. How essential, do you think, is such a symbolism for FreeBSD products line? FreeBSD just like any other Unix OS is first of all a multi-user OS aiming at being used by people of many nationalities, language groups and religious beliefs. I personally think that it should not contain any points dicriminating persons working with it in any way. Is it may be worth giving up this devilry in favour of a more neutral symbolism? Stanislav Posonsky mailto:posonsky@iname.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Nov 19 22:24:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from puck.firepipe.net (mcut-b-167.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.209.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B3737B4C5 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by puck.firepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C4C6419CF; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:24:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:24:20 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: Stanislav Posonsky Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: About The Symbolism Message-ID: <20001120012420.A90928@puck.firepipe.net> Reply-To: Will Andrews Mail-Followup-To: Will Andrews , Stanislav Posonsky , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from posonsky@iname.ru on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 02:03:52PM +0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sir, if you would read the advocacy mailing list archives, you'll find that this issue has been brought up a million times, and people keep rehashing it because of their ignorance. The fact is, it has absolutely nothing to do with Satanism or anything like it. On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 02:03:52PM +0800, Stanislav Posonsky wrote: > Can anyone give me an answer to my question why an impish creature is an > emblem of FreeBSD? And concerning the watchword `FreeBSD: The Power to > Serve`, what power is implied? It is not an impish creature. It's a daemon, which is a generic name for a server process, such as Apache, or inetd, syslogd, etc. The fork the daemon wields refers to the fork() system call. As you can see, there is no relationship between Satanic images and our mascot. > I like FreeBSD itself. It is a nice and the coolest OS of all times and > peoples! At the same time as an Orthodox believer I cannot and should not > use it because of such an ambiguous (or may be not ambiguous?) symbolism. It's not ambiguous. Sometimes there is more than one definition for similar (in appearance) symbols. > I think that the present state of things may present a serious obstacle to > a wider spread of FreeBSD in countries traditionally professing > Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Only if they are stubborn and unwilling to agree with the simple and fundamental fact that similar symbols can have fundamentally different meanings. In their case, it's their loss. By the way, there are plenty of people in Israel, the United Kingdom, India, and elsewhere that run FreeBSD. They do so because they understand the meaning of our daemon. > How essential, do you think, is such a symbolism for FreeBSD products line? > FreeBSD just like any other Unix OS is first of all a multi-user OS aiming > at being used by people of many nationalities, language groups and religious > beliefs. I personally think that it should not contain any points > dicriminating persons working with it in any way. It is essential to those that built the system thirty years ago and those that have continued to build on it since. Perhaps you don't realize it, but ~90% of the Internet runs on BSD technology, such as TCP/IP, BIND, Sendmail, etc. > Is it may be worth giving up this devilry in favour of a more neutral > symbolism? Once again (for the millionth plus one time), it is not a symbol coming close to associating with the devil. -- wca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Nov 19 22:49:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7126D37B479 for ; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:49:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id eAK6nB114230; Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:49:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 22:49:11 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Stanislav Posonsky Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: About The Symbolism Message-ID: <20001119224911.V18037@fw.wintelcom.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from posonsky@iname.ru on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 02:03:52PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Stanislav Posonsky [001119 22:03] wrote: > Is it may be worth giving up this devilry in favour of a more neutral > symbolism? No, it's been discussed _at length_ before. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Nov 20 0:32:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625DD37B4CF; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 00:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05112; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:28:37 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpdAAA30aW7j; Mon Nov 20 01:28:35 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA04012; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:32:11 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200011200832.BAA04012@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Good BSD press in feedmag To: opentrax@email.com Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:32:11 +0000 (GMT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200011191133.DAA03153@spammie.svbug.com> from "opentrax@email.com" at Nov 19, 2000 03:33:15 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I read the article, as much as I could stand. > While the article is about DefCon and takes more time to > illustrate Theo De Raadt as a hacker, it's difficult to read. > Mostly it seems from the authors need to educate us on > large words that barely fit into the article. That and run-on > sentences and scretching the grammer where barely plausible. It appears to be an attempt at the early expermintal style of William Gibson, used in stories such as "Count Zero". This is an understandable thing to attempt, since Gibson coined the word "cyberspace", and his characters are the image which the current crop of crackers attempt to portray themselves in. As an idea, it's nice: Gibson is one of several living authors whose work will, I believe, be considered literature by future generations. The execution of the style in the article sucked, however. -- Kid Africa came cruising into Dog Solitude on the last day in November, his vintage Dodge chauffeured by a white girl named Cherry Chesterfield. Slich Henry and Little Bird were breaking down the buzzsaw that formed the Judge's left hand when Kid's Dodge came into view, its patched apron bag throwing up brown fantails of the rusty water that pooled on the Solitude's uneven plain of compacted steel. _Mona Lisa Overdrive_ -- William Gibson -- Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Nov 20 1:19:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043D537B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:19:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAK9J3I70889; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:19:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: "Stanislav Posonsky" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: About The Symbolism In-Reply-To: Message from "Stanislav Posonsky" of "Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:03:52 +0800." Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 01:19:03 -0800 Message-ID: <70885.974711943@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Can anyone give me an answer to my question why an impish creature is an > emblem of FreeBSD? Please see: http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html > And concerning the watchword `FreeBSD: The Power to > Serve`, what power is implied? I think you have far too much time on your hands if you're looking that far into simple slogans for hidden meanings. It means simply that FreeBSD has the power to serve. Period. > peoples! At the same time as an Orthodox believer I cannot and should not > use it because of such an ambiguous (or may be not ambiguous?) symbolism. That is your choice. No matter how innocuous a slogan or mascot we chose, however, I'm sure somebody, somewhere, would find the need to impart additional meaning to their lives by taking offense at it. It's therefore in this project's best interests to simply ignore people like that and focus our attention on issues of more significant importance. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Nov 20 3: 4:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9995137B4E5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 03:04:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E799457311; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:05:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 05:05:03 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: Stanislav Posonsky Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About The Symbolism Message-ID: <20001120050503.A96358@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from posonsky@iname.ru on Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 02:03:52PM +0800 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 02:03:52PM +0800, Stanislav Posonsky scribbled: | Can anyone give me an answer to my question why an impish creature is an | emblem of FreeBSD? And concerning the watchword `FreeBSD: The Power to | Serve`, what power is implied? The ability to be a server platform outperforming many many OS'es | peoples! At the same time as an Orthodox believer I cannot and should not | use it because of such an ambiguous (or may be not ambiguous?) symbolism. It is not religious, the projected demon image as a red guy with horns is only propagated since the 19th Century. | I think that the present state of things may present a serious obstacle to | a wider spread of FreeBSD in countries traditionally professing | Christianity, Judaism and Islam. No, the image of the demon in religious studies has shown that they are not red with horns. (This is from me as a history minor who has taken numerous comparative religious history courses.) Islam does not have a "demon" as you mention. | FreeBSD just like any other Unix OS is first of all a multi-user OS aiming | at being used by people of many nationalities, language groups and religious By being a good OS, it is a good OS, and people will use a good OS. | Is it may be worth giving up this devilry in favour of a more neutral | symbolism? No, he is fine the way it is. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Nov 20 7:50:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from homer.softweyr.com (bsdconspiracy.net [208.187.122.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CED037B479 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:50:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=softweyr.com ident=Fools trust ident!) by homer.softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13xtEh-0000OD-00; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:52:03 -0700 Message-ID: <3A1948A3.FFEAF4F3@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:52:03 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Stanislav Posonsky , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: About The Symbolism References: <20001119224911.V18037@fw.wintelcom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > * Stanislav Posonsky [001119 22:03] wrote: > > Is it may be worth giving up this devilry in favour of a more neutral > > symbolism? > > No, it's been discussed _at length_ before. Feel free to search the archives for the lengthy (and stupid) discussions of this topic if you wish. The short answer is "You can take our Daemon mascot from us when you pry it from our cold, dead fingers." If you look at our cute little daemon and see "the devil", that is your problem. We can help you overcome that problem, but only if you want to overcome it. You should keep in mind that Lucifer doesn't look like the demon of Greek mythology, he looks like a politician. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Nov 20 9:16:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (mg128-012.ricochet.net [204.179.128.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE6937B4C5; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:16:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04788; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:17:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.svbug.com) Message-Id: <200011201717.JAA04788@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:17:25 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: Good BSD press in feedmag To: tlambert@primenet.com Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200011200832.BAA04012@usr06.primenet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 20 Nov, Terry Lambert wrote: >> I read the article, as much as I could stand. >>...[Trimmed}... > > It appears to be an attempt at the early expermintal style of > William Gibson, used in stories such as "Count Zero". This is >...[Trimmed]... > Oh, that's what it was. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Nov 20 14:15:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9776837B4E5 for ; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04428 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:15:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:15:13 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: request for review Message-ID: <20001120171513.A4358@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Folks, I've swamped my regular reviewers, so I'm appealing here for help: Would anyone out there be interested in reviewing an article on FreeBSD's shared libraries? It's a beginner-level article explaining things like ldconfig, /var/run/ld-elf.so.1, and ldd. If you wouldn't mind, please drop me a line and I'll send you a copy. (Sorry, I can't post it, that constitutes publication in the US. :( ) Thanks! ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Nov 21 19: 0:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from web1603.mail.yahoo.com (web1603.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9643837B4C5 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17834 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Nov 2000 03:00:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20001122030028.17833.qmail@web1603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.134.105.124] by web1603.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:00:28 PST Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:00:28 -0800 (PST) From: Haikal Saadh Subject: Earthaquakes & FreeBSD To: advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/stans/slashdot.html] mentions how the pasadena earthquake wossname used FreeBSD and squid as a Load balancer for their website...not much technical details given, but the impression that I get is that they are really pleased with it. Cheers. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Nov 22 12:21:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from stox.sa.enteract.com (stox.sa.enteract.com [207.229.132.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDC437B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stox@localhost) by stox.sa.enteract.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id eAMKL2b00894; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:21:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stox) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:21:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Stanislav Posonsky Subject: RE: About The Symbolism Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It is a Daemon, not the Devil. As many will point out, it has been the beloved mascot of BSD for many years. The only way it will be taken away is after they take the guns from our cold dead hands. ;-> I will point out that my company provides Internet services to wide range of religously affiliated organizations from Lutherans to Evangelicals to a catholic brotherhood. All of these organizations have been extremely happy with FreeBSD. As far as I know, none of them has attempted to Exorcise any FreeBSd servers yet, though I do know an Exchange server that could probably use it. They know, well enough, that the devil will appear to sheep's clothing. I personally suspect he will be wearing glasses and live somewhere in the northwest of Washington state. Always remember, in contrast to some other operating systems, FreeBSD people use the system, they don't worship it. If you wish, you can think of it as the ultimate victory, using the devil to do god's work. On 20-Nov-00 Stanislav Posonsky wrote: > I like FreeBSD itself. It is a nice and the coolest OS of all times > and > peoples! At the same time as an Orthodox believer I cannot and should not > use it because of such an ambiguous (or may be not ambiguous?) symbolism. > I think that the present state of things may present a serious > obstacle > to > a wider spread of FreeBSD in countries traditionally professing > Christianity, Judaism and Islam. > How essential, do you think, is such a symbolism for FreeBSD products > line? > FreeBSD just like any other Unix OS is first of all a multi-user OS > aiming > at being used by people of many nationalities, language groups and religious > beliefs. I personally think that it should not contain any points > dicriminating persons working with it in any way. > Is it may be worth giving up this devilry in favour of a more > neutral > symbolism? ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Kenneth P. Stox Date: 22-Nov-00 Time: 13:36:05 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Nov 22 12:35:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from confusion.skinner.org (confusion.skinner.org [216.10.22.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541F537B4D7 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from confusion.skinner.org (skinner@confusion.skinner.org [216.10.22.32]) by confusion.skinner.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03909; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:43:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from skinner@skinner.org) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:43:47 -0500 (EST) From: Skinner -Christian Zombie Vampires- To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Stanislav Posonsky Subject: RE: About The Symbolism In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -> On 20-Nov-00 Stanislav Posonsky wrote: -> -> I like FreeBSD itself. It is a nice and the coolest OS of -> all times and peoples! At the same time as an Orthodox -> believer I cannot and should not use it because of such an -> ambiguous (or may be not ambiguous?) symbolism. As a follower of the Russian Orthodox relgion myself, I have never had a personal problem with the mascot. Even The Reverend Father who one day saw me wearing a FreeBSD teeshirt was accepting of it. Granted I had to explain to him frist that it was a mascot for my favorite OS. But after that, he said since it is nothing that not against god, as would be a carton devil in a comic in the sunday paper, that there is nothing harmful in me wearing such a shirt.(not that it being harmful either way would of changed my mind in wearing the shirt or not :) ). -- Robert Skinner http://robertskinner.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Nov 22 13:29:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB39437B4D7 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:29:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2AD16246 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12805 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:29:38 -0500 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:29:28 -0500 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 8525699F.0075DD82 ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:27:24 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: "Kenneth P. Stox" Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, Stanislav Posonsky Message-Id: <8525699F.0075DB83.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:29:58 -0700 Subject: RE: About The Symbolism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Didn't the same or a similar cartoon devil appear in old "Casper the Friendly Ghost" cartoons? Joe |--------+-----------------------> | | "Kenneth P. | | | Stox" | | | | | | | | | 11/22/00 | | | 01:21 PM | | | | |--------+-----------------------> >---------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: Stanislav Posonsky | | cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, (bcc: Joe | | Warner/SMS) | | Subject: RE: About The Symbolism | >---------------------------------------------------------| It is a Daemon, not the Devil. As many will point out, it has been the beloved mascot of BSD for many years. The only way it will be taken away is after they take the guns from our cold dead hands. ;-> I will point out that my company provides Internet services to wide range of religously affiliated organizations from Lutherans to Evangelicals to a catholic brotherhood. All of these organizations have been extremely happy with FreeBSD. As far as I know, none of them has attempted to Exorcise any FreeBSd servers yet, though I do know an Exchange server that could probably use it. They know, well enough, that the devil will appear to sheep's clothing. I personally suspect he will be wearing glasses and live somewhere in the northwest of Washington state. Always remember, in contrast to some other operating systems, FreeBSD people use the system, they don't worship it. If you wish, you can think of it as the ultimate victory, using the devil to do god's work. On 20-Nov-00 Stanislav Posonsky wrote: > I like FreeBSD itself. It is a nice and the coolest OS of all times > and > peoples! At the same time as an Orthodox believer I cannot and should not > use it because of such an ambiguous (or may be not ambiguous?) symbolism. > I think that the present state of things may present a serious > obstacle > to > a wider spread of FreeBSD in countries traditionally professing > Christianity, Judaism and Islam. > How essential, do you think, is such a symbolism for FreeBSD products > line? > FreeBSD just like any other Unix OS is first of all a multi-user OS > aiming > at being used by people of many nationalities, language groups and religious > beliefs. I personally think that it should not contain any points > dicriminating persons working with it in any way. > Is it may be worth giving up this devilry in favour of a more > neutral > symbolism? ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Kenneth P. Stox Date: 22-Nov-00 Time: 13:36:05 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Nov 22 14:36:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C0137B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:36:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA28794; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:35:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAghaik4; Wed Nov 22 15:35:42 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06246; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 15:36:41 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200011222236.PAA06246@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: About The Symbolism To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:36:41 +0000 (GMT) Cc: stox@imagescape.com (Kenneth P. Stox), advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, posonsky@iname.ru (Stanislav Posonsky) In-Reply-To: <8525699F.0075DB83.00@Deimos.smed.com> from "Joe.Warner@smed.com" at Nov 22, 2000 02:29:58 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Didn't the same or a similar cartoon devil appear in old "Casper the > Friendly Ghost" cartoons? "Little Tuff" from the Harvey Comic "Hot Stuff". Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Nov 22 18:58:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from diamond.sierra.net (unknown [207.135.245.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1ACF37B4C5 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:58:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sjmarketing.com (dyn-169-20.wpti.net [216.162.169.20]) by diamond.sierra.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08393 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:55:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A1C87EC.C5B77179@sjmarketing.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:59:00 -0800 From: Rebecca Visger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hey boys, how about this one: http://bean.internal.org/freebsd_banner.html comments/suggestions? -Rebecca "Bean" Visger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Nov 22 21:22:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc2.pa.home.com (ha1.rdc2.pa.home.com [24.12.106.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C3B37B479 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.com ([24.5.226.113]) by mail.rdc2.pa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20001123052249.INPA5537.mail.rdc2.pa.home.com@home.com>; Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:22:49 -0800 Message-ID: <3A1CC620.98F9A281@home.com> Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:24:16 -0800 From: Christian Ambrose X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rebecca Visger , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF References: <3A1C87EC.C5B77179@sjmarketing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG That is really cool, but the "it's free!" part may be a little too subtle. On a banner ad, a person (at least I do) seems to stop looking after the first few points have been made. Just my two cents. Rebecca Visger wrote: > > hey boys, how about this one: > > http://bean.internal.org/freebsd_banner.html > > comments/suggestions? > > -Rebecca "Bean" Visger > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Nov 23 1:24:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334E637B4C5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:24:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id eAN9OTH33515 ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:24:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id KAA52485 ; Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:23:08 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:23:08 +0100 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Christian Ambrose Cc: Rebecca Visger , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF Message-ID: <20001123102308.A52252@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Christian Ambrose , Rebecca Visger , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3A1C87EC.C5B77179@sjmarketing.com> <3A1CC620.98F9A281@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A1CC620.98F9A281@home.com>; from caa85@home.com on Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 11:24:16PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Rebecca Visger wrote: > > > > hey boys, how about this one: > > > > http://bean.internal.org/freebsd_banner.html Christian Ambrose said on Nov 22, 2000 at 23:24:16: > That is really cool, but the "it's free!" part may be a little too > subtle. On a banner ad, a person (at least I do) seems to stop > looking after the first few points have been made. > Just my two cents. Neat idea, but yes, easy to miss. Maybe you could remove the URL for those frames, enlarge the "And It's" and give the phrase a brighter colour? R. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 24 7:44:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (unknown [206.206.98.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1814837B4D7 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 07:44:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from Silver-Lynx.com (abq-057.thuntek.net [207.66.52.57]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eAOFiVP24895; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:44:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Don@Silver-Lynx.com) Message-ID: <3A1E8C81.38EA4E7@Silver-Lynx.com> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:42:57 -0700 From: Don Wilde X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rebecca Visger Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF References: <3A1C87EC.C5B77179@sjmarketing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rebecca Visger wrote: > > hey boys, how about this one: > > http://bean.internal.org/freebsd_banner.html > > comments/suggestions? > > -Rebecca "Bean" Visger > That is really cool! -- Don Wilde Silver Lynx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 24 13: 4:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B64737B479 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:04:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eAOL4AC56781; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:04:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3A1C87EC.C5B77179@sjmarketing.com> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 13:04:24 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Rebecca Visger Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 23-Nov-00 Rebecca Visger wrote: > hey boys, how about this one: > > http://bean.internal.org/freebsd_banner.html > > comments/suggestions? > > -Rebecca "Bean" Visger Nice, but the 'and its free' is hard to miss. :-/ Perhaps you could have 'And It's Free!' as large text that replaces the 3 bullets on the right after a delay? -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Nov 24 20:29:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from homer.softweyr.com (mail.dobox.com [208.187.122.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5156B37B4D7 for ; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 20:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=softweyr.com ident=Fools trust ident!) by homer.softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13zWzq-0000UJ-00; Fri, 24 Nov 2000 21:31:30 -0700 Message-ID: <3A1F40A2.7886C969@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 21:31:30 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rebecca Visger Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any artists interested in doing a FreeBSD animated GIF References: <3A1C87EC.C5B77179@sjmarketing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rebecca Visger wrote: > > hey boys, how about this one: > > http://bean.internal.org/freebsd_banner.html > > comments/suggestions? Nice. "Thousands of Applications". Beancounters and suits won't know what "Ported Apps" are. Sigh. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message