From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 3 15:57:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailgw3a.lmco.com (mailgw3a.lmco.com [192.35.35.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8342437B630 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:57:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark.spiegel@lmco.com) Received: from emss01g01.ems.lmco.com ([129.197.181.54]) by mailgw3a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03460; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38886) id <0FSG00I01QFZ7Z@lmco.com>; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sgi523.lmms.lmco.com ([129.197.11.229]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38886) with ESMTP id <0FSG008TNQFF5Q@lmco.com>; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from spiegel@localhost) by sgi523.lmms.lmco.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA28790; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:56:53 -0700 (PDT) From: mark.spiegel@lmco.com (Mark Spiegel) Subject: Re: Guns and freedom [Was: Re: On "intelligent people" and"dangers to BSD"] In-reply-to: ; from "Thomas M. Sommers" at Apr 1, 100 1:34 am To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: tms2@mail.ptd.net Message-id: <200004032256.PAA28790@sgi523.lmms.lmco.com> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org : : Mark Spiegel wrote: : > : > Not true. When the British attempted to split the Colonies in : > two down the Hudson Valley, it was the locals and their rifles : > who defeated Bourgoyne's (sp?) Army, as it tried to move : > from Montreal to British-held NYC. : : Gates's army was made up of Continentals. There were militia present, : but the core of the army was regulars. Of course, the militia played a : significant part in harassing the British communications prior to the : battle. : Gates?!?!? that paper shuffler was hiding in his tent when the battle took place. Benedict Arnold, the later infamous traitor, became famous for leading the colonists to victory at Saratoga. And the troops he led were overwhelmingly MILITIA. Washington explicitly called for the militia to turn back Bourgoyne because he couldn't spare more than the corps of sharpshooters he did send. These few and whatever stragglers there were from the loss of Fort Ticonderoga were the only army regulars. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 3 17: 8:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6797A37B860 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:08:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@hiwaay.net) Received: from hiwaay.net (tnt6-216-180-5-137.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.5.137]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3408lS16565 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:08:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <38E9328E.6A416281@hiwaay.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 19:08:46 -0500 From: David Kelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: 4.0 subscription disks arrived! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Already playing with 4.0 but was glad to see my disks arrived today! -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 3 18:32:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ptd.net (mail2.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 946AE37B8CB for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:32:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tms2@mail.ptd.net) Received: (qmail 139 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2000 01:32:22 -0000 Received: from du136.cli.ptd.net (HELO mail.ptd.net) (204.186.33.136) by mail.ptd.net with SMTP; 4 Apr 2000 01:32:22 -0000 Message-ID: <38E945ED.8FC1F4FE@mail.ptd.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 21:31:25 -0400 From: "Thomas M. Sommers" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Guns and freedom [Was: Re: On "intelligent people" and"dangers to BSD"] References: <200004032256.PAA28790@sgi523.lmms.lmco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Spiegel wrote: > > Gates?!?!? that paper shuffler was hiding in his tent when > the battle took place. Benedict Arnold, the later infamous > traitor, became famous for leading the colonists to victory > at Saratoga. > > And the troops he led were overwhelmingly MILITIA. > > Washington explicitly called for the militia to turn back > Bourgoyne because he couldn't spare more than the corps of > sharpshooters he did send. These few and whatever stragglers > there were from the loss of Fort Ticonderoga were the only > army regulars. Can you point me to a good OB for the battle? The sources I checked are pretty vague, but suggest that the militia was in the minority. The sources could be wrong, or I could be misinterpreting them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 3 19:14:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailgw3a.lmco.com (mailgw3a.lmco.com [192.35.35.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DD337B698 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:14:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark.spiegel@lmco.com) Received: from emss01g01.ems.lmco.com ([129.197.181.54]) by mailgw3a.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21549; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38886) id <0FSG00101ZJ8TX@lmco.com>; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sgi523.lmms.lmco.com ([129.197.11.229]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.2-32 #38886) with ESMTP id <0FSG008DSZJ65Q@lmco.com>; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 19:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from spiegel@localhost) by sgi523.lmms.lmco.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id TAA29538; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 19:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 19:13:32 -0700 (PDT) From: mark.spiegel@lmco.com (Mark Spiegel) Subject: Re: Guns and freedom [Was: Re: On "intelligent people" and"dangers to BSD"] In-reply-to: ; from "Thomas M. Sommers" at Apr 3, 100 6:32 pm To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: tms2@mail.ptd.net Message-id: <200004040213.TAA29538@sgi523.lmms.lmco.com> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org : : Mark Spiegel wrote: : > : > Gates?!?!? that paper shuffler was hiding in his tent when : > the battle took place. Benedict Arnold, the later infamous : > traitor, became famous for leading the colonists to victory : > at Saratoga. : > : > And the troops he led were overwhelmingly MILITIA. : > : > Washington explicitly called for the militia to turn back : > Burgoyne because he couldn't spare more than the corps of : > sharpshooters he did send. These few and whatever stragglers : > there were from the loss of Fort Ticonderoga were the only : > army regulars. : : Can you point me to a good OB for the battle? http://www.pbs.org/ktca/liberty/chronicle/episode4.html The broadcast has a greater amount of information than the site. It seems to be replayed every so often, or you can buy VHS tapes from the site. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 3 22:25:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5164137B512; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:25:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA79404; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:25:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:25:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/x11/eweather - Imported sources In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2000 at 10:31:33AM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > > Useful, presumably, if you're in an underground bunker. . . > > > > Some of us like our CPU-intensive and memory-hogging eye candy. :) > > > Some of us also have all the windows foiled over. > > To prevent brainwave leakage? :-) > > No, to keep the rays from the Orbital Mind Control Lasers out. Ah, then what you REALLY want is an Aluminium Foil Deflector Beanie.. http://members.tripod.com/~zoam/afdb.html I never leave home without mine. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 4 4: 8:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EAC137B813 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 04:08:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA55832; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:08:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) To: "Christopher S. Weimann" Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Guns and freedom [Was: Re: On "intelligent people" and "dangers to BSD"] References: <20000326015310.A846@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> <20000325104927.B234@parish> <20000325231656.E234@parish> <20000326015310.A846@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> <20000326131639.E234@parish> <3.0.6.32.20000326120230.00a6dd90@mail85.pair.com> <20000326143235.D29554@wallnet.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 04 Apr 2000 13:08:05 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Christopher S. Weimann"'s message of "Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:32:35 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Christopher S. Weimann" writes: > http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html This article accuses Kellerman of incorrect math, but the author himself doctors statistics and replaces a figure that does not favor his own view with another for which no justification is given. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 4 4:18:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A445D37B708 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 04:18:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA55889; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:18:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) To: Anatoly Vorobey Cc: Doug Barton , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East References: <200003270335.WAA84881@server.baldwin.cx> <38E0F56F.CE20A131@gorean.org> <20000328203328.A8187@happy.checkpoint.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 04 Apr 2000 13:18:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: Anatoly Vorobey's message of "Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:33:28 +0000" Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anatoly Vorobey writes: > What, no its/it's grumbling? Your too merciful. One of my first commits was a huge patch (submitted by some Russian whose name I don't remember) fixing seventy-odd its/it's errors in comments in the kernel source. I was immediately flamed by at least one native speaker who claimed the patch was all wrong and us furriners should leave this stuff to native speakers... Oh well. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 4 6:23:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from techunix.technion.ac.il (techunix.technion.ac.il [132.68.1.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9211A37BC52 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 06:23:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mellon@techunix.technion.ac.il) Received: by techunix.technion.ac.il (Postfix, from userid 14309) id 1DC2286AF; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:23:46 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:23:46 +0200 From: Anatoly Vorobey To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East References: <200003270335.WAA84881@server.baldwin.cx> <38E0F56F.CE20A131@gorean.org> <20000328203328.A8187@happy.checkpoint.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from Dag-Erling Smorgrav on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 01:18:32PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You, Dag-Erling Smorgrav, were spotted writing this on Tue, Apr 04, 2000 at 01:18:32PM +0200: > Anatoly Vorobey writes: > > What, no its/it's grumbling? Your too merciful. > > One of my first commits was a huge patch (submitted by some Russian > whose name I don't remember) fixing seventy-odd its/it's errors in > comments in the kernel source. I was immediately flamed by at least > one native speaker who claimed the patch was all wrong and us > furriners should leave this stuff to native speakers... Oh well. Yep. About two years ago. That Russian was me. And of course, every single fix there was correct ;) -- Anatoly Vorobey, mellon@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~mellon/ "Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly" - G.K.Chesterton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 4 14: 2: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C64737BC61; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:02:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbryant@ppp-207-193-2-60.kscymo.swbell.net) Received: from ppp-207-193-2-60.kscymo.swbell.net ([207.193.2.60]) by mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FSI00K7ZFEF86@mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net>; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:54:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by ppp-207-193-2-60.kscymo.swbell.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) id PAA89893; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 15:54:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 15:54:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Bryant Subject: Re: Guns and freedom [Was: Re: On "intelligent people" and"dangers to BSD"] In-reply-to: <38E945ED.8FC1F4FE@mail.ptd.net> To: tms2@mail.ptd.net (Thomas M. Sommers) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org Reply-To: kc5vdj@swbell.net Message-id: <200004042054.PAA89893@ppp-207-193-2-60.kscymo.swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Windows: R00LZ!@# MS-Winbl0wz DR00LZ!@# X-files: The truth is that the X-Files is fiction X-Republican: The best kind!!! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #8: Sat Oct 30 00:56:56 CDT 1999 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In reply: > Mark Spiegel wrote: > > > > Gates?!?!? that paper shuffler was hiding in his tent when > > the battle took place. Benedict Arnold, the later infamous > > traitor, became famous for leading the colonists to victory > > at Saratoga. > > > > And the troops he led were overwhelmingly MILITIA. > > > > Washington explicitly called for the militia to turn back > > Bourgoyne because he couldn't spare more than the corps of > > sharpshooters he did send. These few and whatever stragglers > > there were from the loss of Fort Ticonderoga were the only > > army regulars. > > Can you point me to a good OB for the battle? The sources I checked are > pretty vague, but suggest that the militia was in the minority. The > sources could be wrong, or I could be misinterpreting them. Ever read Federalist #26, how about #85? 18 USC Sec. 2384, 2385...? This discussion has no bearing to freebsd, please take it to alt.conspiracy, alt.lets.overthrow.the.government, or some other appropriate venue [for those that know what a militia really is, try alt.history]. There's my two cents. jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kc5vdj@swbell.net KC5VDJ - HF to 23cm KC5VDJ@NW0I.#NEKS.KS.USA.NOAM HF/VHF: IC-706MkII VHF/UHF/SHF: IC-T81A KPC3+ & PK-232MBX Grid: EM28px ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ET has one helluva sense of humor, always anal-probing right-wing schizos! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 4 15:21: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from morpheus.skynet.be (morpheus.skynet.be [195.238.2.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2E937B578 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:21:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by morpheus.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44775DE0E for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:14:43 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:13:45 +0200 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Brad Knowles Subject: SANE 2000 early registration deadline is April 7, 2000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org =========================================================================== | REMINDER: the early registration deadline for the SANE 2000 conference | | is April 7, 2000 and that is just about 4 days from now! | | (early registration may save you up to NLG 345 / US$ 150) | =========================================================================== At the SANE 2000 web site ( http://www.nluug.nl/sane/ ) you will find full program details, on-line registration, hotel information & reservation forms, travel information and much more, regarding the SANE 2000 conference. ____ _ _ _ _____ ____ ___ ___ ___ / ___| / \ | \ | | ____| |___ \ / _ \ / _ \ / _ \ \___ \ / _ \ | \| | _| __) | | | | | | | | | | ___) / ___ \| |\ | |___ / __/| |_| | |_| | |_| | |____/_/ \_\_| \_|_____| |_____|\___/ \___/ \___/ http://www.nluug.nl/sane/ 2nd International SANE Conference May 22-25, 2000 Maastricht, The Netherlands A conference organized by the NLUUG, the UNIX User Group - The Netherlands co-sponsored by USENIX, the Advanced Computing Systems Association, and Stichting NLnet -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 4 21:48:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183D237BCE4; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:48:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA88820; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:48:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:48:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Anatoly Vorobey Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East In-Reply-To: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: > Yep. About two years ago. That Russian was me. > > And of course, every single fix there was correct ;) I always think it's amusing when a foreigner outperforms a native speaker of a language - foreigners often have more incentive to learn the subtleties of a language than native speakers who "know it all anyway". On the other hand, one of my russian friends here in the US recently gave me a lambasting over my accent (I'm Australian) and told me to "learn to speak English". This from a guy who hasn't yet mastered the word 'the' :-) Fortunately, he was joking :-) Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 5 16:45:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05EB37BC36 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:45:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id BAA15232 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:44:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA99453 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:42:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: BSDCon East Date: 6 Apr 2000 01:42:34 +0200 Message-ID: <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kennaway wrote: > I always think it's amusing when a foreigner outperforms a native speaker > of a language - foreigners often have more incentive to learn the > subtleties of a language than native speakers who "know it all anyway". Most of those foreigners have learned the language in school, primarily from written material. If the language in question has a strong divergence between spelling and pronunciation (English is pathological in this respect), it's not all that surprising that many foreigners turn out to be excellent at spelling. Typically it's their pronunciation that suffers. Also, grammar errors may be graded more harshly in school than spelling errors. They were for us. Writing "pronounciation" would be a simple spelling error, but confusing "its" and "it's" is considered an issue of grammar in second language teaching. > On the other hand, one of my russian friends here in the US recently gave > me a lambasting over my accent (I'm Australian) Well, I guess many of your vowels are "wrong". > This from a guy who hasn't yet mastered the word 'the' :-) Even with the smiley there, I'd like to point out that proper use of the articles in English is very difficult. It's bad enough for speakers of closely related languages. It must be hell for people whose native language doesn't use articles at all (e.g. most Slavic languages). PS: Somebody with native-level grasp of English grammar ought to proofread all man pages contributed by Jörg Wunsch and in particular check for tense/aspect of the verbs. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 5 17:39:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [208.192.111.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE1D37B9FB for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:39:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bitsurfer@makeworld.com) Received: from bugsbunny (207-229-172-175.d.enteract.com [207.229.172.175]) by makeworld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA07733 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:39:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bitsurfer@makeworld.com) From: "Chris Silva" To: "Freebsd-Chat" Subject: 4.0 in the mail Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:39:38 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey everyone - I got home from woik today, and there it was, 4.0 in the mailbox ;) I went through the ritual my wife has come to know as, BSD-Wife-us-ignorus - mainly means, I rush past her while biting through the shrink on the rom without saying, Hello dear. She's used to it... For realistic reasons, I won't install tonight (will wait for the weekend) I need my beauty sleep. One thing I did noticed right off from the package on 3.4 is the Walnut Creek CDROM and on 4.0, just BSD ;) Further looking, shows me the same thing printed on the respective media it's self alone with the address stamped on the media. Oh, BTW, I'm glad that the powers that be decided that 4.0 should be given out as part of the *subscription* although, I was prepared to pay for it anyways ;) Just a few of the first things I noticed, before I said good evening to my wife ;) See ya all.... Best regards, Chris ______________________________________________________________________ DH/DSS Fingerprint = 8265 0BB8 2C7D A376 3CCD 6858 8630 0E47 194A 0318 RSA Key Fingerprint = 4390 44E5 E316 F2AA A11E 5755 F3F9 D69B PGP Mail encouraged / preferred - keys available on common key servers ______________________________________________________________________ Proud supporter of FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and BSDi -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and BSDi - There's nuthin' else. iQA/AwUBOOvcyYYwDkcZSgMYEQIWtwCfR93rAzmxeKAw25xRzJIoGW3vtMEAn2O1 o/PEIc6s4F5EMwTx0KIhROiR =E+nk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 5 17:57:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED73937B5DF for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:57:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04808 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:56:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:56:47 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD domain squatting for fun and profit Message-ID: <20000406015647.A4193@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -chat, A colleague pointed me at http://www.domainsurfer.com/ssearch.cgi?dom=%5Efreebsd That's an interesting collection of domains there. . . freebsd-howto.* freebsd-online.* freebsd-support.* freebsdcare.* ... someone's been busy. . . N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 5 19:44:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-216-180-72-251.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.72.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8500B37BA00 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 19:44:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01028 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:44:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <200004060244.VAA01028@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: "bitbucket" mail list for testing? From: David Kelly Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:44:40 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The Vixie RBL doesn't like my sendmail.cf. Strange how this happened exactly the same time I installed 4.0... Once Upon A Time I thought the FreeBSD-test list was a blackhole for "Subject: Just Testing, Delete" messages. But checking the majordomo list suggests its for something else. So... If this gets thru, my appologies. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 5 20:10:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from axpnt1.shoalhaven.nsw.gov.au (axpnt1.shoalhaven.nsw.gov.au [203.30.193.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F089437BE41 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:10:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perrya@shoalhaven.nsw.gov.au) Received: by AXPNT1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:14:32 +1000 Message-ID: From: "Perry, Andrew" To: 'David Kelly' , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: "bitbucket" mail list for testing? Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:13:43 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think that "sufferer of all new ideas and hacks" just means that jmb tests stuff on it. I think that people trying out stuff and testing their own configurations are still encouraged to subscribe to and post to freebsd-test. Andrew Perry -----Original Message----- From: David Kelly [mailto:dkelly@HiWAAY.net] Sent: Thursday, 6 April 2000 12:45 pm To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: "bitbucket" mail list for testing? The Vixie RBL doesn't like my sendmail.cf. Strange how this happened exactly the same time I installed 4.0... Once Upon A Time I thought the FreeBSD-test list was a blackhole for "Subject: Just Testing, Delete" messages. But checking the majordomo list suggests its for something else. So... If this gets thru, my appologies. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 5 20:39:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1ABA37B632 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:39:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt6-216-180-4-138.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.4.138]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e363dIS23827; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:39:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07256; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:39:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <200004060339.WAA07256@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Perry, Andrew" Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: David Kelly Subject: Re: "bitbucket" mail list for testing? In-reply-to: Message from "Perry, Andrew" of "Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:13:43 +1000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:39:15 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Perry, Andrew" writes: > I think that "sufferer of all new ideas and hacks" just means that jmb tests > stuff on it. I think that people trying out stuff and testing their own > configurations are still encouraged to subscribe to and post to > freebsd-test. Well, I think I just upped the urgency to wipe this HD and install a new shiney FreeBSD-4.0 on it. Forgot from where it started, 2.0.5 or 2.1.0. But all of my sendmail problems had to do with the location of sendmail.cf. Lo and behold! Its no longer /etc/sendmail.cf, but /etc/mail/sendmail.cf. Using "ls -lut" I discovered my new sendmail.cf's were not being read on "kill -HUP" of sendmail. None of this explains why my previous message got thru when others didn't. However, I'm not going to worry about it. I'm going to sleep. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 5 23: 2:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3681237B7EE for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:02:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA28862; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:02:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <38EC2873.993DACA6@gorean.org> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:02:27 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0325 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kc5vdj@swbell.net Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Guns and freedom [Was: Re: On "intelligent people"and"dangers to BSD"] References: <200004042054.PAA89893@ppp-207-193-2-60.kscymo.swbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jim Bryant wrote: > This discussion has no bearing to freebsd Nothing is off topic for -chat, by definition. -- "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. The master simply replied, "Mu." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 5 23:51: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 608) id DF5A737BAD1; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:50:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: dkelly@HiWAAY.net Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <200004060244.VAA01028@nospam.hiwaay.net> (message from David Kelly on Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:44:40 -0500) Subject: Re: "bitbucket" mail list for testing? Message-Id: <20000406065056.DF5A737BAD1@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Once Upon A Time I thought the FreeBSD-test list was a blackhole for > "Subject: Just Testing, Delete" messages. But checking the majordomo > list suggests its for something else. > FreeBSD-test is a list that anyone can subscribe to and send test messages to the FreeBSD-test list in order to test their mail configuration. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 6 1:19:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from apoq.skynet.be (apoq.skynet.be [195.238.2.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B258837B81D for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:19:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by apoq.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBEE1F36C; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:19:00 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:15:57 +0200 To: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber), freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: BSDCon East Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 1:42 AM +0200 2000/4/6, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > If the language in question has > a strong divergence between spelling and pronunciation (English is > pathological in this respect), On a side-note, English may be bad at things like this, but my experience so far is that French is worse. Of course, Welsh is by far the worst I've ever encountered -- if you ever hear a Welsh name that you think would result in less than twelve characters, you probably aren't adding enough silent vowels and consonants. ;-) -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 6 2:41:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676B637BD2C for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:41:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA62442; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:44:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:44:00 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Doug Barton Cc: kc5vdj@swbell.net, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Guns and freedom [Was: Re: On "intelligent people"and"dangers to BSD"] Message-ID: <20000406094400.A62258@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200004042054.PAA89893@ppp-207-193-2-60.kscymo.swbell.net> <38EC2873.993DACA6@gorean.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <38EC2873.993DACA6@gorean.org>; from Doug@gorean.org on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 11:02:27PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 11:02:27PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > Jim Bryant wrote: > > > This discussion has no bearing to freebsd > > Nothing is off topic for -chat, by definition. Although having said that, some of us would rather you all buggered off to talk.politics.guns, or something. Please. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 6 4:47: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nscache2.x-treme.gr (mail1.x-treme.gr [212.120.196.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36BEE37BBF6 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 04:47:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (pat39.x-treme.gr [212.120.197.231]) by nscache2.x-treme.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3/IPNG-ADV-ANTISPAM-0.1) with ESMTP id OAA19651; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:46:54 +0300 Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05506; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:05:08 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from charon) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:05:08 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: p_a_r Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question. Message-ID: <20000406120508.A3072@hades.hell.gr> Reply-To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr References: <82629011.12.1636@mx1-12.onmedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <82629011.12.1636@mx1-12.onmedia.com>; from p_a_r@goplay.com on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 07:37:56AM -0800 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 62 45 D1 C9 26 F9 95 06 D6 21 2A C8 8C 16 C0 8E Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ moved over to -chat, since it does not belong to -hackers ] Dear Joe, On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 07:37:56AM -0800, p_a_r wrote: > Hello i'm writing an article about open source and i need some > feedback about FreeBSD vs Linux. So can you hackers help me whita > that. Whats so good in FreeBSD and whats bad in Linux... > > Joe Fisher There are a lot of similarities in the two operating systems; a lot of subtle little differences too. However, I think that nobody will be more authoritative in writing an article that outlines your opinion about the two, none other than *you* yourself. If you finish this article of yours, or are close to finishing it, then a lot of people will be happy to review it. Writing it though... well, that is something you should do for yourself :) PS: Please do not post to freebsd-hackers for general things, like an article or something. There is always freebsd-chat for chatting about freebsd. - Giorgos Keramidas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 6 4:51: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB02437B52D; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 04:51:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA71310; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:51:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) To: Nik Clayton Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD domain squatting for fun and profit References: <20000406015647.A4193@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 06 Apr 2000 13:50:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: Nik Clayton's message of "Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:56:47 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton writes: > That's an interesting collection of domains there. . . > [...] Yup. I registered freebsdtune.{com,org} a year ago, and ISTR someone grabbed freebsdtune.net shortly after that and held it for a while, though it's not registered right now. Hmm... Well, it wasn't until five minutes ago :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 6 5:31:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from citadel.cequrux.com (citadel.cdsec.com [192.96.22.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A5637C01A for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:31:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vukko@cequrux.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by citadel.cequrux.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05973; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:31:32 +0200 (SAST) Received: by citadel.cequrux.com via recvmail id 5912; Thu Apr 6 14:30:51 2000 Message-ID: <38EC8465.A60C491E@cequrux.com> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 14:34:45 +0200 From: "Marko Vukovic'" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr Cc: p_a_r , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question. References: <82629011.12.1636@mx1-12.onmedia.com> <20000406120508.A3072@hades.hell.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > [ moved over to -chat, since it does not belong to -hackers ] > > Dear Joe, > > On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 07:37:56AM -0800, p_a_r wrote: > > Hello i'm writing an article about open source and i need some > > feedback about FreeBSD vs Linux. So can you hackers help me whita > > that. Whats so good in FreeBSD and whats bad in Linux... > > > > Joe Fisher > > There are a lot of similarities in the two operating systems; a lot of > subtle little differences too. However, I think that nobody will be > more authoritative in writing an article that outlines your opinion > about the two, none other than *you* yourself. > > If you finish this article of yours, or are close to finishing it, then > a lot of people will be happy to review it. Writing it though... well, > that is something you should do for yourself :) > > PS: Please do not post to freebsd-hackers for general things, like an > article or something. There is always freebsd-chat for chatting > about freebsd. > > - Giorgos Keramidas > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message Unix was invented at Bell Labs, but there was a schism between its developers about 15 years ago. Bell Labs went one way with its version of Unix (now called System V or System 5), while the University of California at Berkeley went another way with its version, called BSD. Linux is not closely related to either of these; it's a descendant of Minix, which was a Unix clone. In fact, Linux has features of both System 5 and BSD. At this point, for most purposes, there's no real difference between Linux and BSD. Neither one is necessarily better than the other. You should choose based on your own preferences and what kind of support is available to you. If you're surrounded by BSD lovers, you should probably use BSD because you'll get more help from your peers. If you're surrounded by Linux users, use Linux. If you're all alone, you should probably use Linux because there are more books on it and there's more support for it out on the Web. But remember, truly portable Unix software runs on both platforms just fine. -- Marko. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 6 12:36:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from eterna.binary.net (eterna.binary.net [216.229.0.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D6D37B993 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:36:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nathan@rtfm.net) Received: from matrix.binary.net (root@matrix.binary.net [216.229.0.2]) by eterna.binary.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA55136; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:40:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nathan@localhost) by matrix.binary.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA22419; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:36:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:36:44 -0400 From: Nathan Dorfman To: Matthew Hunt Cc: John Purser , "'J McKitrick'" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: amazon email response Message-ID: <20000406153644.A21956@rtfm.net> References: <20000324150922.A89498@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <000901bf95ac$e09c0ca0$40390918@vncvr1.wa.home.com> <20000324093208.C9572@wopr.caltech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <20000324093208.C9572@wopr.caltech.edu>; from Matthew Hunt on Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 09:32:08AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 09:32:08AM -0800, Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Fri, Mar 24, 2000 at 08:20:31AM -0800, John Purser wrote: > > > I'm trying to avoid the big guys and I want a good selection, rapid > > shipping, and a good web site. In short, Amazon without the patent issue. > > I recommend fatbrain.com; they have an excellent selection of > technical books and a decent (and, it seems to me, expanding) > selection of other books. In my experience, the claimed availabilty > for an item is accurate. The search engine is a little weak, > not having a good idea of "best match". Bookpool.com...selection isn't to die for, neither is their search engine, but when they DO have what you're looking for, it comes pretty cheap. 20% off and up on tech books. > -- > Matthew Hunt * UNIX is a lever for the > http://www.pobox.com/~mph/ * intellect. -J.R. Mashey -- Nathan Dorfman [http://www.rtfm.net] "The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an approaching train." --/usr/games/fortune To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 6 12:44:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from eterna.binary.net (eterna.binary.net [216.229.0.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A22D37C16E; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:44:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nathan@rtfm.net) Received: from matrix.binary.net (root@matrix.binary.net [216.229.0.2]) by eterna.binary.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA55288; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:49:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nathan@localhost) by matrix.binary.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA22620; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:45:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:45:26 -0400 From: Nathan Dorfman To: bitsurfer Cc: Brett Glass , John Baldwin , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000406154525.B21956@rtfm.net> References: <4.2.2.20000326224635.03f7dc20@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from bitsurfer on Mon, Mar 27, 2000 at 01:35:43PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 27, 2000 at 01:35:43PM -0600, bitsurfer wrote: > Why not in the Chicago area??? Surley its larger than say Boulder ;) NYC. 'nuff said :-) -- Nathan Dorfman [http://www.rtfm.net] "The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an approaching train." --/usr/games/fortune To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 6 13: 1:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246CD37B926; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:01:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e36KR9o18385; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:27:09 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Nathan Dorfman Cc: bitsurfer , Brett Glass , John Baldwin , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000406132708.H22104@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <4.2.2.20000326224635.03f7dc20@localhost> <20000406154525.B21956@rtfm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000406154525.B21956@rtfm.net>; from nathan@rtfm.net on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 03:45:26PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Nathan Dorfman [000406 13:21] wrote: > On Mon, Mar 27, 2000 at 01:35:43PM -0600, bitsurfer wrote: > > Why not in the Chicago area??? Surley its larger than say Boulder ;) > > NYC. > > 'nuff said :-) Of course. :) -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 6 13:34:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wopr.caltech.edu (wopr.caltech.edu [131.215.102.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F3137B50C for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:34:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph@wopr.caltech.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by wopr.caltech.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA42232; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:34:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:34:22 -0700 From: Matthew Hunt To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: David Nixon , chad@mantech.com Subject: Re: Attachments request -OOOOOPS Message-ID: <20000406133422.A40580@wopr.caltech.edu> References: <20000406222820.B2208@yedi.wbnet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000406222820.B2208@yedi.wbnet>; from wkb@chello.nl on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 10:28:20PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 10:28:20PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Can we please take this ^&%*^&% thread to -chat or wherever? I've taken Mr. "If carraige returns are good, why doesn't vi insert them by default?" to /dev/null, myself. -- Matthew Hunt * Science rules. http://www.pobox.com/~mph/ * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 6 14: 0:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B533637C0A8 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:00:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04303; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:59:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200004062059.QAA04303@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000406132708.H22104@fw.wintelcom.net> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:59:35 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Alfred Perlstein Subject: Re: BSDCon East Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org, Brett Glass , bitsurfer , Nathan Dorfman Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 06-Apr-00 Alfred Perlstein wrote: > * Nathan Dorfman [000406 13:21] wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 27, 2000 at 01:35:43PM -0600, bitsurfer wrote: >> > Why not in the Chicago area??? Surley its larger than say Boulder ;) >> >> NYC. >> >> 'nuff said :-) > > Of course. :) Unfortunately guys, debating cities isn't going to make this happen. What we need to make this happen are corporate (or private) sponsors who are willing to foot part of the bill. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 6 14: 5:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from eterna.binary.net (eterna.binary.net [216.229.0.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78C137C10C for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:05:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nathan@rtfm.net) Received: from matrix.binary.net (root@matrix.binary.net [216.229.0.2]) by eterna.binary.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA57161 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:09:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nathan@localhost) by matrix.binary.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA25018 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:05:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:05:49 -0400 From: Nathan Dorfman To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Fun with new TLD Message-ID: <20000406170549.B24832@rtfm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://worldsite.ws I'm sure you can all imagine the fun that can be had with domains ending in windo.ws... -- Nathan Dorfman [http://www.rtfm.net] "The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an approaching train." --/usr/games/fortune To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 6 14:10:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C289F37BF37 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:10:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r41.bfm.org [216.127.220.137]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:11:26 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000406160909.0091ae10@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:09:09 -0500 To: Nathan Dorfman , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Fun with new TLD In-Reply-To: <20000406170549.B24832@rtfm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 17:05 06-04-2000 -0400, Nathan Dorfman wrote: >http://worldsite.ws It's not a new TLD. It's Western Samoa, or something like that. Adam ----------------------------------------------------------- "I think, therefore I am." - Seventeenth Century Philosophy "I publish what I think, therefore I have." - Twenty-First Century Action Details at http://www.OnlinePublisher.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 6 14:20:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A6337C0EB for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:20:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from slave (doug@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA35951; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:20:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:20:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt051n0b.san.rr.com To: Wes Peters Cc: chat@freebsd.org, obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: desire for ftp.internat.freebsd.org mirror In-Reply-To: <38ECCBED.F5409DF3@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Wes Peters wrote: > David O'Brien wrote: > > > > Access to ftp.internat.freebsd.org from the USA (and presumably > > elsewhere) is an abomination. Isn't there *anyone* with an permanate FTP > > server that could officially mirror the crypto bits from > > ftp.internat.freebsd.org? > > For a mere $100,000 per year I could anchor a boat 3 miles outside the > golden gate and get a wireless T-1 service. Anybody got some change? At 3 miles you may run into a curvature of the earth problem over water. -- "So, the cows were part of a dream that dreamed itself into existence? Is that possible?" asked the student incredulously. The master simply replied, "Mu." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 6 15:33:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DAF37C26B for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:33:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id AAA01833 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:33:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA50071 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:59:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: BSDCon East Date: 6 Apr 2000 23:59:44 +0200 Message-ID: <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brad Knowles wrote: > > If the language in question has > > a strong divergence between spelling and pronunciation (English is > > pathological in this respect), > > On a side-note, English may be bad at things like this, but my > experience so far is that French is worse. I disagree. For French the mapping from spelling to pronunciation is mostly regular, although complex. If you encounter a French word you've never seen before, there's usually no problem to pronounce it correctly. Admittedly the reverse direction is something of a problem, since there are often many (combinations of) letters that map to the same sound as well as all those silent final consonants. You can observe the difficulties this causes for native speakers over on the French language newsgroups (fr.*). English, of course, is just plain irregular. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 6 15:43:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF75637C109 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:43:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.42]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA77324; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:42:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:42:55 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: Doug Barton Cc: Wes Peters , chat@freebsd.org, obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: desire for ftp.internat.freebsd.org mirror In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Doug Barton wrote: > > > > For a mere $100,000 per year I could anchor a boat 3 miles outside the > > golden gate and get a wireless T-1 service. Anybody got some change? > > At 3 miles you may run into a curvature of the earth problem over > water. > Tall masts^Wantennas! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 6 18:53:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB8037C23A; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:53:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-216-180-72-75.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.72.75]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e371rHS30119; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:53:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11478; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:54:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <200004070054.TAA11478@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "bitbucket" mail list for testing? In-Reply-To: Message from "Jonathan M. Bresler" of "Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:50:56 PDT." <20000406065056.DF5A737BAD1@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 19:54:03 -0500 From: David Kelly Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jonathan M. Bresler" writes: > > > > Once Upon A Time I thought the FreeBSD-test list was a blackhole for > > "Subject: Just Testing, Delete" messages. But checking the majordomo > > list suggests its for something else. > > > > FreeBSD-test is a list that anyone can subscribe to and send > test messages to the FreeBSD-test list in order to test their mail > configuration. I *thought* that was the case. Used a shell account on my ISP to query majordomo for lists and saw: freebsd-test sufferer of all new ideas and hacks freebsd-test-digest ... and was put off thinking it was something else. But now that I have that all cleared up its something I'll not forget. Trying to think of a better short description than above but my creative verbal skills are not up to it at the moment. "place to play with your new mailer" or "place to play with email" or "place to test your mailer" would have lit a light bulb over my head. Apparently there was nothing wrong with the sendmail.cf I had. Problem was I was putting it in /etc/sendmail.cf rather than /etc/mail/sendmail.cf -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 6 21:13:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8790E37BD46 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:13:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (Foolstrustidentd@obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22291; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:13:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <38ED6062.29A81EF@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:13:22 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Barton Cc: chat@freebsd.org, obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: desire for ftp.internat.freebsd.org mirror References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Barton wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Wes Peters wrote: > > > David O'Brien wrote: > > > > > > Access to ftp.internat.freebsd.org from the USA (and presumably > > > elsewhere) is an abomination. Isn't there *anyone* with an permanate FTP > > > server that could officially mirror the crypto bits from > > > ftp.internat.freebsd.org? > > > > For a mere $100,000 per year I could anchor a boat 3 miles outside the > > golden gate and get a wireless T-1 service. Anybody got some change? > > At 3 miles you may run into a curvature of the earth problem over > water. Nah, it's a lot further out than that. The horizon is 14 miles, and you can always put the antenna on a tower on the ground, and on the top of the mast on the boat. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 4:30: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC47D37BA87 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 04:30:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA75686; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:30:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) To: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 07 Apr 2000 13:30:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de's message of "6 Apr 2000 23:59:44 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 36 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) writes: > Admittedly the reverse direction is something of a problem, since > there are often many (combinations of) letters that map to the same > sound as well as all those silent final consonants. You can observe > the difficulties this causes for native speakers over on the French > language newsgroups (fr.*). It's only a problem if they didn't pay attention in class. Bar a few exceptions, there are good ethymological reasons for most spellings, and given a rudimentary knowledge of latin (which is complusory in French schools) and a sufficient base of other words to compare with, it shouldn't take more than a few seconds' thought to determine the correct spelling of a word with which you're not yet familiar. Even English and German are useful to understanding French... for instance, the circumflex (which seems to be the most confusing diacritical mark for most non-native speakers) nearly always indicates an elided s in the latin root of the word, and the corresponding English or German word usually still has that s (host / hôte, feast / fête, paste / pâte, etc.) - unless it is used on the letter u, where it indicates a contracted -urus (sûr, from securus; mûr, from maturus). Acute and grave accents, when used on the letter e, have more complex ethymologies, but are easily deduced from pronunciation (as long as you remember when *not* to use them - briefly, don't put a grave accent on an e followed by two consonants). Diareses have the same function in French as in English - to quote the Webster: "a mark {umlaut} placed over a vowel to to [sic] indicate that the vowel is pronounced in a separate syllable (as in naïve, Brontë)" DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 8: 0:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C1FCA37BA01 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:59:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@sys3.physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 1318 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2000 14:59:19 -0000 Received: from sys3.physics.iisc.ernet.in (144.16.71.27) by theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in with SMTP; 7 Apr 2000 14:59:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 1492 invoked by uid 211); 7 Apr 2000 14:59:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:29:17 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000407202917.A1417@sys3.physics.iisc.ernet.in> Mail-Followup-To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from des@flood.ping.uio.no on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 01:30:01PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I really hate to do this :) but Thus spake Dag-Erling Smorgrav on Apr 7, 2000 AD: > naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) writes: > > Admittedly the reverse direction is something of a problem, since > > there are often many (combinations of) letters that map to the same > > sound as well as all those silent final consonants. You can observe > > the difficulties this causes for native speakers over on the French > > language newsgroups (fr.*). > > It's only a problem if they didn't pay attention in class. Bar a few > exceptions, there are good ethymological reasons for most spellings, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that's "etymological". - Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 8:28:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from apoq.skynet.be (apoq.skynet.be [195.238.2.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F0837B5A3 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:28:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by apoq.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DDC1F265; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:28:12 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:50:57 +0200 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: BSDCon East Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 1:30 PM +0200 2000/4/7, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > It's only a problem if they didn't pay attention in class. Bar a few > exceptions, there are good ethymological reasons for most spellings, > and given a rudimentary knowledge of latin (which is complusory in > French schools) and a sufficient base of other words to compare with, > it shouldn't take more than a few seconds' thought to determine the > correct spelling of a word with which you're not yet familiar. So I have to learn Latin before I can learn French? I may be wrong, but I don't think they teach it that way in schools in France, and I know they don't teach it that way in schools here in Belgium -- although they do have a tri-lingual requirement for graduation, and most people end up taking their native language (Dutch or French) plus English and a third language (frequently the other major official language of the country, but not always). -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 10: 8:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3306C37BAAE for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:08:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA76775; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:08:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) To: Brad Knowles Cc: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber), freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 07 Apr 2000 19:08:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: Brad Knowles's message of "Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:50:57 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brad Knowles writes: > So I have to learn Latin before I can learn French? No, but knowing Latin (even just a little Latin) helps a lot. It also helps a lot for learning English, Spanish, Italian and, to a lesser degree, several other European languages. > I may be wrong, but I don't think they teach it that way in > schools in France, There's at least one year of compulsory "introduction to Latin and Greek", the aim of which is to teach the children the basis of etymology, language evolution etc., which is a great help for a) understanding words you've never heard before, b) figuring out how to spell them, c) figuring out how to use (decline etc.) them, and d) getting some of the more obscure jokes in Astérix :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 10:11:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6E637B9D6 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:11:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA76796; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:10:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407202917.A1417@sys3.physics.iisc.ernet.in> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 07 Apr 2000 19:10:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: Rahul Siddharthan's message of "Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:29:17 +0530" Message-ID: Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan writes: > Thus spake Dag-Erling Smorgrav on Apr 7, 2000 AD: > > It's only a problem if they didn't pay attention in class. Bar a few > > exceptions, there are good ethymological reasons for most spellings, > that's "etymological". Thanks. It's funny to note that while the modern spelling (and the original Greek spelling) is without an h, the middle english spelling was *with* an h... DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 10:21:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sofia.csl.sri.com (sofia.csl.sri.com [130.107.19.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE6AC37BEBE for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:21:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from molter@sofia.csl.sri.com) Received: (from molter@localhost) by sofia.csl.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08456 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:21:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from molter) From: Marco Molteni Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:21:59 -0700 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: ; from des@flood.ping.uio.no on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 07:08:33PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Brad Knowles writes: > > So I have to learn Latin before I can learn French? > > No, but knowing Latin (even just a little Latin) helps a lot. It also > helps a lot for learning English, Spanish, Italian and, to a lesser > degree, several other European languages. I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian. I am wondering if there are other languages with this feature. Marco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 10:27:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5F937B6F2; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:27:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA74012; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:27:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:27:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Marco Molteni Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East In-Reply-To: <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Marco Molteni wrote: > I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO > difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian. I am wondering > if there are other languages with this feature. C? :-) Kris ---- int main bracket unbracket curly print-eff bracket quote Hello world backslash enn quote unbracket semicolon uncurly To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 10:37: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from morpheus.skynet.be (morpheus.skynet.be [195.238.2.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF21A37BD5B for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:37:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by morpheus.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E88FD9BB; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:36:59 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:36:34 +0200 To: Marco Molteni , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: BSDCon East Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:21 AM -0700 2000/4/7, Marco Molteni wrote: > I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO > difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian. Funny you should mention this language. I don't know if this is related, but my wife and I spent Christmas eve 1998 (plus a couple of days on either side) down there in Rome and at the Vatican, and I found that I learned and used more Italian in just those four days than I have learned and used French in the almost two years I have now been over here in Belgium. For whatever reason, Italian seems just far more natural to me, while French is always a struggle and alien. Grazie. Mille grazie. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 10:54:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3F237BF83 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:54:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20461; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:54:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000407115137.03ec38e0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 11:54:25 -0600 To: Marco Molteni , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: BSDCon East In-Reply-To: <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:21 AM 4/7/2000 , Marco Molteni wrote: >I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO >difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian. I am wondering >if there are other languages with this feature. Well I'm not exactly the capo de tutti cappellini when it comes to Italian, but I do know that Esperanto is completely phonetic. I have an acquaintance who is always trying to teach it to me; he speaks it like a native. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 11: 3:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACC837BD47 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:03:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.162.185] (helo=parish.my.domain) by rhenium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12dd6T-00038o-00; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:03:34 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01081; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:03:36 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:03:36 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Brett Glass Cc: Marco Molteni , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000407190336.D238@parish> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <4.2.2.20000407115137.03ec38e0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000407115137.03ec38e0@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 11:54:25AM -0600 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 11:54:25AM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 11:21 AM 4/7/2000 , Marco Molteni wrote: > > >I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO > >difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian. I am wondering > >if there are other languages with this feature. > > Well I'm not exactly the capo de tutti cappellini when it comes to > Italian, but I do know that Esperanto is completely phonetic. I have > an acquaintance who is always trying to teach it to me; he speaks it > like a native. > Of Esperantia I take it ;-) > --Brett > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- Beam me up Scottie, there's no intelligent life down here ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 11:10:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2755C37BA30 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 1625 invoked by uid 211); 7 Apr 2000 18:09:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:39:53 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Spellings [was Re: BSDCon East] Message-ID: <20000407233952.A1610@theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407202917.A1417@sys3.physics.iisc.ernet.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from des@flood.ping.uio.no on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 07:10:50PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > that's "etymological". > > Thanks. > > It's funny to note that while the modern spelling (and the original > Greek spelling) is without an h, the middle english spelling was > *with* an h... I didn't know that. By the way, I think one reason for the confusing nature of English spellings is that it has imported words from languages all over the world, often with little modification in spelling if the original script was the same, and it continues to do so. But that's also a strength, and it's at least one reason it's spoken so widely. The French are known to be touchy about imports of American words, but concepts like "hot dog" and "internet" didn't exist in France earlier, and to me it makes little sense to invent new words for these when perfectly good words for these are already in use everywhere else.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 11:22:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 197E837BE5E for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:22:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 1642 invoked by uid 211); 7 Apr 2000 18:22:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:52:21 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Marco Molteni Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000407235221.B1610@theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com>; from molter@sofia.csl.sri.com on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 10:21:59AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO > difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian. I am wondering > if there are other languages with this feature. Most Indian languages. The Devanagari script (Sanskrit, Hindi, Marathi etc) is such that all sounds in the language, vowels and consonants, are represented accurately. Moreover they're pronounced the same way, unlike say English and French. So a person literate in Hindi can pronounce Sanskrit almost perfectly without understanding it. In practice, though, spoken Hindi has some corrupted pronunciations which would sound bad in Sanskrit -- in particular, the last "a" in words ending in a short "a" is left out in Hindi but not in Sanskrit. This is true also of at least two southern languages, Kannada and Telugu, which use a different but more or less "isomorphic" script. Tamil tends to represent several sounds with the same letter (k, g and h; t and d; th and dh; ch, sh and s; etc) so it can get confusing, but then these sounds also often get fudged when spoken. I'm not sure of the other languages, but I believe none of them are as chaotic as English. However, it's easier and faster typing in English. (Fewer letters = simpler keyboards but less accurate representation of sounds.) There are several efforts to represent Indian-language sounds in the roman script using well-defined letter combinations for each corresponding Indian letter, and software translation into Indian scripts "on the fly". I haven't been following them carefully, though. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 11:25:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C136337BE9D for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:25:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bitsurfr@enteract.com) Received: from shell-1.enteract.com (bitsurfr@shell-1.enteract.com [207.229.143.40]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA94564; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:24:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bitsurfr@enteract.com) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:24:21 -0500 (CDT) From: bitsurfer To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Marco Molteni , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East In-Reply-To: <20000407235221.B1610@theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ummm, just how East are we going here? ;) _____________________________________________________________________ RSA Key Fingerprint = 6D0B 5536 7825 3D09 9093 384A 9694 FDB6 RSA Key Fingerprint = 4390 44E5 E316 F2AA A11E 5755 F3F9 D69B DH/DSS Fingerprint = 089B 0B5C 75C7 A7B4 B050 DD14 2D65 5DD6 E87D 239A PGP Mail encouraged / preferred - keys available on common keyservers _____________________________________________________________________ On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO > > difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian. I am wondering > > if there are other languages with this feature. > > Most Indian languages. The Devanagari script (Sanskrit, Hindi, Marathi > etc) is such that all sounds in the language, vowels and consonants, > are represented accurately. Moreover they're pronounced the same way, > unlike say English and French. So a person literate in Hindi can > pronounce Sanskrit almost perfectly without understanding it. In > practice, though, spoken Hindi has some corrupted pronunciations > which would sound bad in Sanskrit -- in particular, the last "a" in > words ending in a short "a" is left out in Hindi but not in Sanskrit. > > This is true also of at least two southern languages, Kannada and > Telugu, which use a different but more or less "isomorphic" script. > Tamil tends to represent several sounds with the same letter (k, g and > h; t and d; th and dh; ch, sh and s; etc) so it can get confusing, but > then these sounds also often get fudged when spoken. I'm not sure of > the other languages, but I believe none of them are as chaotic as > English. However, it's easier and faster typing in English. (Fewer > letters = simpler keyboards but less accurate representation of > sounds.) > > There are several efforts to represent Indian-language sounds in the > roman script using well-defined letter combinations for each > corresponding Indian letter, and software translation into Indian > scripts "on the fly". I haven't been following them carefully, though. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 11:30: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C9F9137B684 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:29:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 1678 invoked by uid 211); 7 Apr 2000 18:29:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:59:48 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: bitsurfer Cc: Marco Molteni , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000407235948.C1610@theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in> References: <20000407235221.B1610@theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from bitsurfr@enteract.com on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 01:24:21PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Ummm, just how East are we going here? ;) I'm going no further: that's all I know. But I'm interested in hearing more... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 11:32:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from apoq.skynet.be (apoq.skynet.be [195.238.2.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2D937BF8B for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:32:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by apoq.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7947A1F2B2; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:32:04 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000407233952.A1610@theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407202917.A1417@sys3.physics.iisc.ernet.in> <20000407233952.A1610@theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in> Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:26:08 +0200 To: Rahul Siddharthan , Dag-Erling Smorgrav From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Spellings [was Re: BSDCon East] Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:39 PM +0530 2000/4/7, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: >=20 The >=20 French are known to be touchy about imports of American words, but >=20 concepts like "hot dog" and "internet" didn't exist in France earlier, >=20 and to me it makes little sense to invent new words for these when >=20 perfectly good words for these are already in use everywhere else.... Oh, but that's what the L'Acad=E9mie fran=E7aise is so very good at!=20 Why would you ever deny them their raison d'=EAtre? Oh, sorry, let me post the Babelfish version -- we can't possibly=20 have this discussion in any language other than French: Est Ah, mais c'=E0 ce que le fran=E7aise de L'Acad=E9mie est tellement=20 tr=E8s bon! Pourquoi lui refuseriez-vous jamais leur d'=EAtre de raison? -- =20 These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 11:45:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A9737BA30 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:45:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (rh29.bfm.org [216.127.220.222]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:45:56 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000407134348.0086f100@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 13:43:48 -0500 To: Marco Molteni , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: BSDCon East In-Reply-To: <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:21 07-04-2000 -0700, Marco Molteni wrote: >> No, but knowing Latin (even just a little Latin) helps a lot. It also >> helps a lot for learning English, Spanish, Italian and, to a lesser >> degree, several other European languages. > >I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO >difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian. I am wondering >if there are other languages with this feature. Quasi tutte lingue slave. I mean, most Slavic languages. Adam ----------------------------------------------------------- "I think, therefore I am." - Seventeenth Century Philosophy "I publish what I think, therefore I have." - Twenty-First Century Action Details at http://www.OnlinePublisher.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 12: 1:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sofia.csl.sri.com (sofia.csl.sri.com [130.107.19.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCF637C066 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:01:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from molter@sofia.csl.sri.com) Received: (from molter@localhost) by sofia.csl.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09290 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from molter) From: Marco Molteni Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:01:54 -0700 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000407120154.A9276@sofia.csl.sri.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407134348.0086f100@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000407134348.0086f100@mail85.pair.com>; from adam@whizkidtech.net on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 01:43:48PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > At 10:21 07-04-2000 -0700, Marco Molteni wrote: > >I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO > >difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian. I am wondering > >if there are other languages with this feature. > > Quasi tutte lingue slave. I mean, most Slavic languages. almost, but you correctly wrote both plural and gender ;-) "Quasi tutte le lingue slave" ^^ Marco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 12:57:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44ADE37B588 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:57:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r1.bfm.org [216.127.220.97]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:57:55 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000407145548.008cf100@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:55:48 -0500 To: Marco Molteni , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: BSDCon East In-Reply-To: <20000407120154.A9276@sofia.csl.sri.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000407134348.0086f100@mail85.pair.com> <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407134348.0086f100@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:01 07-04-2000 -0700, Marco Molteni wrote: >> Quasi tutte lingue slave. I mean, most Slavic languages. > >almost, but you correctly wrote both plural and gender ;-) > >"Quasi tutte le lingue slave" > ^^ Thanks for the correction. I used to be fluent in Italian when I lived in Italy (for four years), but that was almost twenty years ago. Italian is amazingly easy to learn when you're there (as someone pointed out), but it fades out somewhat once you're gone. Cheers, Adam ----------------------------------------------------------- "I think, therefore I am." - Seventeenth Century Philosophy "I publish what I think, therefore I have." - Twenty-First Century Action Details at http://www.OnlinePublisher.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 13:32:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from oracle.clara.net (oracle.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D4237B6B5 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:32:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@clara.co.uk) Received: from [195.8.84.148] (helo=myname.my.domain) by oracle.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12dfQZ-0007R9-00; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 21:32:27 +0100 Received: (from alex@localhost) by myname.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00735; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:42:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:42:37 +0100 From: Aleksandar Simic To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000407204236.A704@frustum.clara.co.uk> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407134348.0086f100@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000407134348.0086f100@mail85.pair.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "G. Adam Stanislav" wrote : > At 10:21 07-04-2000 -0700, Marco Molteni wrote: > >> No, but knowing Latin (even just a little Latin) helps a lot. It also > >> helps a lot for learning English, Spanish, Italian and, to a lesser > >> degree, several other European languages. > > > >I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO > >difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian. I am wondering > >if there are other languages with this feature. > > Quasi tutte lingue slave. I mean, most Slavic languages. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Finally, I was conteplating of posting this myself. I am not quite sure how Polish, Chech, Slav, ... and others work but Serbian is possibly the simplest in this regard, since it is 100% phonetic. You write what you say, and you read what is written. For example there is never an occurance of double letters in *any* words. ie. "tutte" would be written "tute". Or another example, my name is Aleksandar as opposed to Alexander. ^^ ^ -Sima and Stanislava To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 13:40:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB4637BE7D for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:40:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12dfXe-000Ev0-00; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 22:39:46 +0200 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:39:46 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Marco Molteni Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000407223946.A57071@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri 2000-04-07 (10:21), Marco Molteni wrote: > > No, but knowing Latin (even just a little Latin) helps a lot. It also > > helps a lot for learning English, Spanish, Italian and, to a lesser > > degree, several other European languages. > > I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO > difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian. I am wondering > if there are other languages with this feature. isiXhosa, I think. And if so, the majority of the Nguni languages of Southern Africa. There is a slight stress on the second-last syllable, and some obvious modifiers. While the "h" in "hl" is pronounced differently than the "h" in "kh", "hl" is always pronounced the same. Ndifuna ukuba ndisaze isiXhosa kakuhle. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 13:41: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nu.binary.net (nu.binary.net [216.229.0.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2794137B6B5 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:40:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nathan@rtfm.net) Received: from matrix.binary.net (root@matrix.binary.net [216.229.0.2]) by nu.binary.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA91312; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:40:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from nathan@localhost) by matrix.binary.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA62347; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:41:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:41:32 -0400 From: Nathan Dorfman To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fun with new TLD Message-ID: <20000407164132.A62293@rtfm.net> References: <20000406170549.B24832@rtfm.net> <3.0.6.32.20000406160909.0091ae10@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000406160909.0091ae10@mail85.pair.com>; from G. Adam Stanislav on Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 04:09:09PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 04:09:09PM -0500, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > At 17:05 06-04-2000 -0400, Nathan Dorfman wrote: > >http://worldsite.ws > > It's not a new TLD. It's Western Samoa, or something like that. In any case, I now own ckwindows.ws. Gee, which two-letter hostname should I stick under that domain first? Hmm. -- Nathan Dorfman [http://www.rtfm.net] "The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an approaching train." --/usr/games/fortune To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 13:46:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C27837B535 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:46:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: from shell-1.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-1.enteract.com [207.229.143.40]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA34219 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:46:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:46:11 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: netscape 6 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone gotten the Linux version of netscape 6 to work on FreeBSD? I get a floating point error, and a core dump, but I haven't had a chance to really mess with it. Regards, David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 13:49:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sofia.csl.sri.com (sofia.csl.sri.com [130.107.19.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4611437B605 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:49:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from molter@sofia.csl.sri.com) Received: (from molter@localhost) by sofia.csl.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09414 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:49:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from molter) From: Marco Molteni Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:49:27 -0700 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000407134927.A9405@sofia.csl.sri.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <20000407223946.A57071@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <20000407223946.A57071@mithrandr.moria.org>; from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 10:39:46PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > On Fri 2000-04-07 (10:21), Marco Molteni wrote: > > > I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO > > difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian. I am wondering > > if there are other languages with this feature. > > isiXhosa, I think. And if so, the majority of the Nguni languages > of Southern Africa. There is a slight stress on the second-last > syllable, and some obvious modifiers. While the "h" in "hl" is > pronounced differently than the "h" in "kh", "hl" is always pronounced > the same. > > Ndifuna ukuba ndisaze isiXhosa kakuhle. are those languages using the latin alphabet as their own alphabet, or are you "mapping" the original alphabet to the latin one (as you may do with, eg, russian)? (sorry for my imprecisions but I am not a linguist ;-) -- Marco Molteni "rough consensus and running code" SRI International, System Design Laboratory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 13:53:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sofia.csl.sri.com (sofia.csl.sri.com [130.107.19.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DEC37B7A1 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:53:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from molter@sofia.csl.sri.com) Received: (from molter@localhost) by sofia.csl.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09423 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:53:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from molter) From: Marco Molteni Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:53:40 -0700 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000407135340.B9405@sofia.csl.sri.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407134348.0086f100@mail85.pair.com> <20000407120154.A9276@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407145548.008cf100@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000407145548.008cf100@mail85.pair.com>; from adam@whizkidtech.net on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 02:55:48PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > At 12:01 07-04-2000 -0700, Marco Molteni wrote: > > > > Quasi tutte lingue slave. I mean, most Slavic languages. > > > > almost, but you correctly wrote both plural and gender ;-) > > > > "Quasi tutte le lingue slave" > > ^^ > > Thanks for the correction. I used to be fluent in Italian when I lived in > Italy (for four years), but that was almost twenty years ago. Are you the one who studied at the Vatican? (I mean I remember someone on -chat saying that he studied there) > Italian is amazingly easy to learn when you're there (as someone > pointed out), mhh, if your mother tongue belongs to the latin base, yes ;-) > but it fades out somewhat once you're gone. Marco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 14: 1:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BAC37BDD5 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:01:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12dfs1-000Eyt-00; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 23:00:49 +0200 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:00:49 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Marco Molteni Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000407230049.B57071@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <20000407223946.A57071@mithrandr.moria.org> <20000407134927.A9405@sofia.csl.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20000407134927.A9405@sofia.csl.sri.com> Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri 2000-04-07 (13:49), Marco Molteni wrote: > > syllable, and some obvious modifiers. While the "h" in "hl" is > > pronounced differently than the "h" in "kh", "hl" is always pronounced > > the same. > > > > Ndifuna ukuba ndisaze isiXhosa kakuhle. > > are those languages using the latin alphabet as their own alphabet, or > are you "mapping" the original alphabet to the latin one (as you may > do with, eg, russian)? > > (sorry for my imprecisions but I am not a linguist ;-) Yes, the commonly used written form of Xhosa is a mapping to the latin alphabet with occasional modifiers (such as 'h' after consonants). Three utterly unpronouncable-to-the-English-tongue clicks replace 'c', 'q', and 'x' (since 'c' is either 'k' or 's', and 'q' is usually 'k', and 'x' is usually 'ks'). 'h' is either a guttural scottish 'ch' sound, or a modifier which indicates more "air" in the pronunciation. It's actually a very beautiful language, but the curriculum I learnt at school wasn't very good, and I haven't been able to find another way to learn it. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 14: 7:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABA437B766 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:07:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (rh17.bfm.org [216.127.220.210]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:07:51 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000407160544.008ca570@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:05:44 -0500 To: Aleksandar Simic From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: BSDCon East Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000407204236.A704@frustum.clara.co.uk> References: <3.0.6.32.20000407134348.0086f100@mail85.pair.com> <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407134348.0086f100@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 20:42 07-04-2000 +0100, Aleksandar Simic wrote: >Finally, I was conteplating of posting this myself. I am not quite >sure how Polish, Chech, Slav, ... and others work but Serbian is >possibly the simplest in this regard, since it is 100% phonetic. You >write what you say, and you read what is written. Yes, I'd say the Serbian is the most phonetic of Slavic languages. Slovak, my language, is also phonetic, albeit not as 100% as yours, perhaps 99.9%. That is, there are a few "selected words" that children learn at school to type a 'y' instead of an 'i'. We pronounce both the same way, though. >For example there is never an occurance of double letters in *any* >words. ie. "tutte" would be written "tute". Or another example, my >name is Aleksandar as opposed to Alexander. > ^^ ^ Hehe, I bet you're going to hear from Marco on this one. Tutte is spelled with two t's because both are clearly pronounced, as in tut-te, except maybe in Veneto (the area around Venice). I believe the Venetians may be pronouncing it differently. At least, I heard an allegedly true story of a Venetian who came to Rome and congratulated someone on the occasion of "chiusura dell'anno" - closing of the year, but he pronounced it "chiusura dell'ano" which means something entirely different (closure of the anus). Cheers, Adam ----------------------------------------------------------- "I think, therefore I am." - Seventeenth Century Philosophy "I publish what I think, therefore I have." - Twenty-First Century Action Details at http://www.OnlinePublisher.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 14: 9:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from snapple.webct.com (snapple.webct.com [209.87.17.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0851737C076 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:09:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from varju@snapple.webct.com) Received: (from varju@localhost) by snapple.webct.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02138; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:08:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from varju) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:08:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Varju To: David Scheidt Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: netscape 6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got it running on a 4.0-stable box. I had to grab a few libraries from a debian machine, but once I had them in things have been going quite smoothly. I had to grab libjpeg.so.62, libgtk-1.2.so.0, and libgdk-1.2.so.0, which I dumped into /usr/compat/linux/lib. ttyl Alex -- alex varju just a guy webct canada On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, David Scheidt wrote: > Has anyone gotten the Linux version of netscape 6 to work on FreeBSD? I get > a floating point error, and a core dump, but I haven't had a chance to > really mess with it. > > Regards, > > David > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 14:10:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130CC37C120 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:10:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from giffunip@asme.org) Received: from asme.org ([200.41.111.208]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA4062; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:09:37 -0400 Message-ID: <38EE49A9.FD59F18@asme.org> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 15:48:41 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gustavo V G C Rios Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ? References: <38ED128C.22C3AA28@tdnet.com.br> <20000406192206.N22104@fw.wintelcom.net> <38ED233E.74716D02@tdnet.com.br> <20000406230234.B4381@fw.wintelcom.net> <38EDD209.421EF9B0@tdnet.com.br> <38EE0536.F2305A40@quack.kfu.com> <38EDDBC4.51F2414D@tdnet.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (Moved to chat) Gustavo V G C Rios wrote: > ... > If microkernel has such a drawnbacks, why QNX is so fast and reliable? > Should you download it too, and realize what i mean. > Don't believe everything you read...the world is full of people that love to prove others are wrong :-). ... > Thanks a lot for the patience. > > PS: I am just a beginner, so, don't take me wrong. The fact is that i am > really confused about what books say about microkernel and what in that > single demo floppy. I would be really glad to have some here to kindly > clarify it to me. > There's always room for more confusion; read something about Exokernels now :-). FWIW, I think we are pretty much married with the monolithic kernel plus some flexible tools/techniques like kld's and stacking fs to get over the known problems. cheers, Pedro. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 14:11: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BD537C243 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:10:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from giffunip@asme.org) Received: from asme.org ([200.41.111.208]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA40C2; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:09:53 -0400 Message-ID: <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:01:11 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marco Molteni Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (OK, I do hate it when people bring out these off-topic themes but since this is chat) Marco Molteni wrote: > ... > > I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO > difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian. I am not sure this is true: the "gn" in the word "gnomo" is pronounced like the "ñ" in Spanish. I also understand you (actually we, since in theory I am Italian also) don't extrictly have a "z" since in Italian this is pronounced "ts". It's a beautiful language though...remember what Charles V said about languages? (I won't repeat it here due to respect to the german community ;-). cheers, Pedro. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 14:11: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F1437C27D for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:11:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (rh17.bfm.org [216.127.220.210]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:11:41 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000407160934.008fed60@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:09:34 -0500 To: Nathan Dorfman From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Fun with new TLD Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000407164132.A62293@rtfm.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20000406160909.0091ae10@mail85.pair.com> <20000406170549.B24832@rtfm.net> <3.0.6.32.20000406160909.0091ae10@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 16:41 07-04-2000 -0400, Nathan Dorfman wrote: >On Thu, Apr 06, 2000 at 04:09:09PM -0500, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: >> At 17:05 06-04-2000 -0400, Nathan Dorfman wrote: >> >http://worldsite.ws >> >> It's not a new TLD. It's Western Samoa, or something like that. > >In any case, I now own ckwindows.ws. Gee, which two-letter hostname >should I stick under that domain first? Hmm. Hehe, if my home country allowed its expatriots to register domains, I'd get a.sk, and then create a server name just, for a total of just.a.sk :). Adam ----------------------------------------------------------- "I think, therefore I am." - Seventeenth Century Philosophy "I publish what I think, therefore I have." - Twenty-First Century Action Details at http://www.OnlinePublisher.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 14:30:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sofia.csl.sri.com (sofia.csl.sri.com [130.107.19.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5B737C16B for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:30:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from molter@sofia.csl.sri.com) Received: (from molter@localhost) by sofia.csl.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09705; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:30:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from molter) From: Marco Molteni Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:30:54 -0700 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: giffunip@asme.org Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000407143054.A9684@sofia.csl.sri.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, giffunip@asme.org References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org>; from giffunip@asme.org on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 04:01:11PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > (OK, I do hate it when people bring out these off-topic themes but since > this is chat) I wouldn't had dared to do so otherwise :-) > Marco Molteni wrote: > >=20 > > I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO > > difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian.=20 >=20 > I am not sure this is true: the "gn" in the word "gnomo" is pronounced > like the "=F1" in Spanish. Yes, or more exactly the sound is similar, because when I tried to pronounce the "=F1" in Spanish like we pronounce "gn", my spanish listeners didn't understand so well ;-) Anyway, in Italian there is a one-to-one mapping between the pronounce of "gn" and the spelling of it, so, at least for practical purposes, there is no difference between spelling and pronunciation. > I also understand you (actually we, since in theory I am Italian > also) don't extrictly have a "z" since in Italian this is pronounced > "ts". I am not sure I understood. The "z" is pronounced more or less like US americans pronounce it in the word "pizza" (I think we call it "hard z"), and it is the "real" "z" for me :-). The english "z" sounds to me like an "s". Marco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 14:33:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3AED37B9F9 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:33:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (rh17.bfm.org [216.127.220.210]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:34:17 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000407163211.00872d00@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:32:11 -0500 To: Marco Molteni , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: BSDCon East In-Reply-To: <20000407135340.B9405@sofia.csl.sri.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000407145548.008cf100@mail85.pair.com> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407134348.0086f100@mail85.pair.com> <20000407120154.A9276@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407145548.008cf100@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 13:53 07-04-2000 -0700, Marco Molteni wrote: >Are you the one who studied at the Vatican? (I mean I remember someone >on -chat saying that he studied there) I studied at the Gregorian University, which, while located in downtown Rome, is legally part of the Vatican State. >> Italian is amazingly easy to learn when you're there (as someone >> pointed out), > >mhh, if your mother tongue belongs to the latin base, yes ;-) Well, mine doesn't (I'm Slovak), but Italian was the easiest language I ever learned. I lived in an international house with people from all over the world, and the general consensus was that Italian was easy to learn. I think part of the easiness is in enunciation. There is never a confusion between an a, an e, an i, an o, a u. While this is also true of Slovak, Italian grammar is fairly simple, though not as simple as English (whose grammar is virtually non-existent), it is certainly simpler than Slovak grammar which is as complex as that of Sanskrit. I imagine Slovak must be very difficult for a non-Slav to learn. But it makes it easy for us to learn other languages, and I sure like that advantage. :) Cheers, Adam ----------------------------------------------------------- "I think, therefore I am." - Seventeenth Century Philosophy "I publish what I think, therefore I have." - Twenty-First Century Action Details at http://www.OnlinePublisher.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 15:46:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D7C37BB54 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:46:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Received: from nisser.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA73953; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:46:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Message-ID: <38EE6578.B27A1B27@nisser.com> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 00:47:20 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Cc: Gustavo V G C Rios , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ? References: <38ED128C.22C3AA28@tdnet.com.br> <20000406192206.N22104@fw.wintelcom.net> <38ED233E.74716D02@tdnet.com.br> <20000406230234.B4381@fw.wintelcom.net> <38EDD209.421EF9B0@tdnet.com.br> <38EE0536.F2305A40@quack.kfu.com> <38EDDBC4.51F2414D@tdnet.com.br> <38EE49A9.FD59F18@asme.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Pedro F. Giffuni" wrote: > > ... > > There's always room for more confusion; read something about Exokernels > now :-). Yeah, somewhere on slashdot some months ago. > FWIW, I think we are pretty much married with the monolithic kernel plus > some flexible tools/techniques like kld's and stacking fs to get over > the known problems. Don't be too sure. Wasn't there someone who said "the world is full of people that love to prove others are wrong" ? ;) Take Apple for one. FreeBSD over a microkernel. Maybe one of these years we'll see a release Hurd too . Roelof -- Home is where the (@) http://eboa.com/ is. UPC/Chello home http://nisser.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 16:19:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cage.tse-online.de (cage.tse-online.de [194.97.69.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 24CB237C47F for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:19:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@cage.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 42268 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Apr 2000 23:22:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 01:22:55 +0200 From: Andreas Braukmann To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000408012255.P53658@cage.tse-online.de> References: <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from kris@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 10:27:49AM -0700 Organization: TSE GmbH - Neue Medien Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 10:27:49AM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Marco Molteni wrote: > > I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO > > difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian. I am wondering > > if there are other languages with this feature. > > C? :-) no way. let's try something simple, just pronounce: *i++; ... and then have a look at the submissions to the obfuscated c contest. Doh! -Andreas -- It's all blue. You've likely been eaten by an gpf. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 17:27:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60CB37BBDD; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:27:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA13454; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:27:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:27:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Andreas Braukmann Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East In-Reply-To: <20000408012255.P53658@cage.tse-online.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Andreas Braukmann wrote: > let's try something simple, just pronounce: *i++; "Star i plus plus semicolon" :-) Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 17:56:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sofia.csl.sri.com (sofia.csl.sri.com [130.107.19.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E3E37B570 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:56:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from molter@sofia.csl.sri.com) Received: (from molter@localhost) by sofia.csl.sri.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10096 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:56:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from molter) From: Marco Molteni Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:56:40 -0700 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000407175640.A9872@sofia.csl.sri.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407134348.0086f100@mail85.pair.com> <20000407204236.A704@frustum.clara.co.uk> <3.0.6.32.20000407160544.008ca570@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000407160544.008ca570@mail85.pair.com>; from adam@whizkidtech.net on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 04:05:44PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > At 20:42 07-04-2000 +0100, Aleksandar Simic wrote: > >For example there is never an occurance of double letters in *any* > >words. ie. "tutte" would be written "tute". Or another example, my > >name is Aleksandar as opposed to Alexander. > > ^^ ^ > > Hehe, I bet you're going to hear from Marco on this one. Tutte is spelled > with two t's because both are clearly pronounced, as in tut-te, except > maybe in Veneto (the area around Venice). I believe the Venetians may be > pronouncing it differently. Hehe, I don't need to say anything more, since the good Adam seems to know very well not only the Italian language, but also the accents of different areas of Italy :-) > At least, I heard an allegedly true story of a Venetian who came to > Rome and congratulated someone on the occasion of "chiusura > dell'anno" - closing of the year, but he pronounced it "chiusura > dell'ano" which means something entirely different (closure of the > anus). This may be a true story, but only an italian who has never heard Venetians speaking could misunderstand :-) Anyway, the topic now is moving from the mainstream Italian towards accents of different areas..., let's not talk about dialects ;-) Marco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 20:37:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9885837B931 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:37:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from giffunip@asme.org) Received: from asme.org ([216.252.134.50]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA1FF3; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:36:46 -0400 Message-ID: <38EEA9B9.8BE1D8A0@asme.org> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 22:38:33 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marco Molteni Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> <20000407143054.A9684@sofia.csl.sri.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marco Molteni wrote: > > On Fri, 07 Apr 2000, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > ... > > Anyway, in Italian there is a one-to-one mapping between the pronounce > of "gn" and the spelling of it, so, at least for practical purposes, > there is no difference between spelling and pronunciation. > "ci" is also an interesting case. > > I also understand you (actually we, since in theory I am Italian > > also) don't extrictly have a "z" since in Italian this is pronounced > > "ts". > > I am not sure I understood. The "z" is pronounced more or less like US > americans pronounce it in the word "pizza" (I think we call it "hard > z"), and it is the "real" "z" for me :-). The english "z" sounds to me > like an "s". > "Z" in english (and in spanish) is very sharp compared to the "S". Think of the noise a bee makes.."Bzzz". Let's see if I forgot my Italian. Carlo V ha detto che il Francese e per parlare su diplomasia, il spagnolo e per parlare con Dio e il tedesche e per parlare con gli animali. :-). cheers, Pedro. > Marco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 20:47:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A867937BB31 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:47:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from giffunip@asme.org) Received: from asme.org ([216.252.134.50]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA27DD; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:46:20 -0400 Message-ID: <38EEABF5.9F05176@asme.org> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 22:48:05 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roelof Osinga Cc: Gustavo V G C Rios , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ? References: <38ED128C.22C3AA28@tdnet.com.br> <20000406192206.N22104@fw.wintelcom.net> <38ED233E.74716D02@tdnet.com.br> <20000406230234.B4381@fw.wintelcom.net> <38EDD209.421EF9B0@tdnet.com.br> <38EE0536.F2305A40@quack.kfu.com> <38EDDBC4.51F2414D@tdnet.com.br> <38EE49A9.FD59F18@asme.org> <38EE6578.B27A1B27@nisser.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Roelof Osinga wrote: > ... > > Take Apple for one. FreeBSD over a microkernel. Maybe one of these > years we'll see a release Hurd too . > Of course the first effort on this was BSD lites...I wonder what the hurd is going to do know...Apple got there first. Anyway, I read somewhere that many Apple engineers were happier with a monolitic kernel, (specificly FreeBSD) but the higher levels simply wanted Mach. We will be able to make nice comparisons when we have a FreeBSD port for the PowerPC... cheers, Pedro. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 20:55:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A62437BF63 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:55:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (rh19.bfm.org [216.127.220.212]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:56:15 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000407225406.0087de50@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 22:54:06 -0500 To: Marco Molteni , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: BSDCon East Cc: giffunip@asme.org In-Reply-To: <20000407143054.A9684@sofia.csl.sri.com> References: <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 14:30 07-04-2000 -0700, Marco Molteni wrote: >I am not sure I understood. The "z" is pronounced more or less like US >americans pronounce it in the word "pizza" Yes, you do, in "pizza" anyway. But in "mezzo" it's a different sound. Seems like the Serbians have you beat in being 100% phonetic. :) Cheers, Adam ----------------------------------------------------------- "I think, therefore I am." - Seventeenth Century Philosophy "I publish what I think, therefore I have." - Twenty-First Century Action Details at http://www.OnlinePublisher.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 20:58:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E227537B5F7 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:58:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-216-180-71-142.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.71.142]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e383w4S20772; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:58:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18525; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:58:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <200004080358.WAA18525@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Thomas Gellekum Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Legal Comprehension (was: Re: ksh ?) In-reply-to: Message from Thomas Gellekum of "07 Apr 2000 13:28:27 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 22:58:02 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (moved to -chat) Thomas Gellekum writes: > Satoshi Asami writes: > > > http://www.research.att.com/sw/license/ast-open.html > > > > I've seen the license, it is pretty complicated but I don't think > > we won't be able to comply. (How's that for a double negative.) > > 1. YOUR REPRESENTATIONS > > 1. You represent and warrant that: > > [...] > b. You have read and fully understand this Agreement in its entirety; > > This will take me some time... If I was Dictator Of The World I'd leave the President and Congress to do the dirty work but the first Order I'd impose would be, "You can pass no new law unless the President can score 70% on an exam based on that law." The simple idea being if a professional lawmaker doesn't understand 70% of the new law then there is no hope of a citizen ever understanding well enough to comply. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 21: 6:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B50A37B652 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 21:06:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (rh19.bfm.org [216.127.220.212]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:06:55 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000407230448.0091daf0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 23:04:48 -0500 To: Marco Molteni , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: BSDCon East In-Reply-To: <20000407175640.A9872@sofia.csl.sri.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20000407160544.008ca570@mail85.pair.com> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407134348.0086f100@mail85.pair.com> <20000407204236.A704@frustum.clara.co.uk> <3.0.6.32.20000407160544.008ca570@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 17:56 07-04-2000 -0700, Marco Molteni wrote: >Anyway, the topic now is moving from the mainstream Italian towards >accents of different areas..., let's not talk about dialects ;-) Va bene (or, "va be" in Roman dialect, oops, sorry...). Translation: OK. Adam ----------------------------------------------------------- "I think, therefore I am." - Seventeenth Century Philosophy "I publish what I think, therefore I have." - Twenty-First Century Action Details at http://www.OnlinePublisher.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 21: 9:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDE737BCB9 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 21:09:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (rh19.bfm.org [216.127.220.212]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:09:50 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000407230743.00902b90@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 23:07:43 -0500 To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" , Marco Molteni From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: BSDCon East Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <38EEA9B9.8BE1D8A0@asme.org> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> <20000407143054.A9684@sofia.csl.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 22:38 07-04-2000 -0500, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: >Carlo V ha detto che il Francese e per parlare su diplomasia, il >spagnolo e per parlare con Dio e il tedesche e per parlare con gli >animali. :-). My, my, let's hope there's no Tedesco here who understands Italian! (I know quite a few who do, so you better start ducking.) :) Cheers, Adam ----------------------------------------------------------- "I think, therefore I am." - Seventeenth Century Philosophy "I publish what I think, therefore I have." - Twenty-First Century Action Details at http://www.OnlinePublisher.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 21:12:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065CB37B5EC for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 21:12:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from giffunip@asme.org) Received: from asme.org ([216.252.134.50]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA3C4B; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:11:01 -0400 Message-ID: <38EEB1C8.C6E74E87@asme.org> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 23:12:56 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: Marco Molteni , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> <20000407143054.A9684@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407230743.00902b90@mail85.pair.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "G. Adam Stanislav" wrote: > > At 22:38 07-04-2000 -0500, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > >Carlo V ha detto che il Francese e per parlare su diplomasia, il > >spagnolo e per parlare con Dio e il tedesche e per parlare con gli > >animali. :-). > > My, my, let's hope there's no Tedesco here who understands Italian! (I know > quite a few who do, so you better start ducking.) :) > Let them find Carlo V...first :). cheers, Pedro. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 21:20:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4783437BD18 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 21:20:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bitsurfr@enteract.com) Received: from bugsbunny (207-229-172-148.d.enteract.com [207.229.172.148]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA68258; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:20:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bitsurfr@enteract.com) From: "Chris Silva" To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" , "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: "Marco Molteni" , Subject: RE: BSDCon East Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:20:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <38EEB1C8.C6E74E87@asme.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Let's get back to the point... Eh??? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Pedro F. Giffuni > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 11:13 PM > To: G. Adam Stanislav > Cc: Marco Molteni; freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: BSDCon East > > > > "G. Adam Stanislav" wrote: > > > > At 22:38 07-04-2000 -0500, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > >Carlo V ha detto che il Francese e per parlare su diplomasia, il > > >spagnolo e per parlare con Dio e il tedesche e per parlare con gli > > >animali. :-). > > > > My, my, let's hope there's no Tedesco here who understands > Italian! (I know > > quite a few who do, so you better start ducking.) :) > > > > Let them find Carlo V...first :). > > cheers, > Pedro. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 21:37:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2246B37B58C for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 21:37:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from giffunip@asme.org) Received: from asme.org ([216.252.134.3]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA5248 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:36:31 -0400 Message-ID: <38EEB7C3.5509E213@asme.org> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 23:38:27 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris Silva wrote: > > Let's get back to the point... Eh??? > What point?? Ah yes, BSDCon East. I don't see much point in discussing where it will be if we don't know first if there will be sponsors for it and how many people plan to attend. Pedro. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 21:43: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8CD37BC9B for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 21:42:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from giffunip@asme.org) Received: from asme.org ([216.252.134.3]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA56A4; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:41:50 -0400 Message-ID: <38EEB5FC.493D9D9D@asme.org> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 23:30:52 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marco Molteni , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> <20000407143054.A9684@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EEA9B9.8BE1D8A0@asme.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Pedro F. Giffuni" wrote: > Scuzzi, l'avevo dimenticato... > > Carlo V ha detto che il Francese e per parlare su diplomasia, il > spagnolo e per parlare con Dio e il tedesco e per parlare con gli > animali. :-). > l'italiano e la lingua ottima per parlare da amore (secondo Carlo V) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 22:16:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (pop3.islandtransit.org [208.240.196.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BC437B799 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:16:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chip@wiegand.org) Received: from chip.homenet [208.194.173.26] by pioneernet.net (SMTPD32-6.00) id A182683606FE; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 22:20:02 -0700 From: Chip To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Netmax Firewall Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:05:49 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040722180200.01464@chip.homenet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I recently bought and installed Netmax Firewall and am quite happy with it. I am just wondering what others think of this and their other products, those who have used them anyway. -- Chip www.wiegand.org Alternative Operating Systems ***** Look past your Windoze and experience something New! ***** Visit my web site - Alternative Operating Systems To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 22:58:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from horizon2.webcentral.com.au (horizon2.webcentral.com.au [202.139.235.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 74BE137B54D for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:58:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29782 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2000 05:58:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO timberwolf) (203.147.162.98) by horizon2.webcentral.com.au with SMTP; 8 Apr 2000 05:58:05 -0000 Message-ID: <004b01bfa120$683fcba0$62a293cb@timberwolf> From: "Haikal Saadh" To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" , "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: "Marco Molteni" , References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> <20000407143054.A9684@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407230743.00902b90@mail85.pair.com> <38EEB1C8.C6E74E87@asme.org> Subject: Re: BSDCon East Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:04:59 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: Pedro F. Giffuni To: G. Adam Stanislav Cc: Marco Molteni ; Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 2:12 PM Subject: Re: BSDCon East > > "G. Adam Stanislav" wrote: > > > > At 22:38 07-04-2000 -0500, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > >Carlo V ha detto che il Francese e per parlare su diplomasia, il > > >spagnolo e per parlare con Dio e il tedesche e per parlare con gli > > >animali. :-). > > > > My, my, let's hope there's no Tedesco here who understands Italian! (I know > > quite a few who do, so you better start ducking.) :) > > > > Let them find Carlo V...first :). Okay.. I dont' speak Italian, but I ran that snippet through babelfish and got: "Carl V has said that the French and in order to speak on diplomasia, the Spanish and in order to speak with God and the Germans and in order to speak with the animals. -). " And then, I wondered "Huh?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Apr 7 23:32:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ptd.net (mail1.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3210837B873 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:31:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tms2@mail.ptd.net) Received: (qmail 12133 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2000 06:31:19 -0000 Received: from du33.cli.ptd.net (HELO mail.ptd.net) (204.186.33.33) by mail.ptd.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2000 06:31:19 -0000 Message-ID: <38EED20D.CFD7FBE@mail.ptd.net> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:30:37 -0400 From: "Thomas M. Sommers" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> <20000407143054.A9684@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407230743.00902b90@mail85.pair.com> <38EEB1C8.C6E74E87@asme.org> <004b01bfa120$683fcba0$62a293cb@timberwolf> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Haikal Saadh wrote: > > Okay.. I dont' speak Italian, but I ran that snippet through > babelfish and > got: > > "Carl V has said that the French and in order to speak on diplomasia, > the Spanish and in order to speak with God and the Germans and in > order to speak with the animals. -). " > > And then, I wondered "Huh?" I don't know Italian, either, but I think Chuck was saying that you use French to speak to diplomats, Spanish to speak to God, and German to speak to animals. He said it, not me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 7:52:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF17437B54C for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 07:52:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (rh25.bfm.org [216.127.220.218]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 09:53:11 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000408095104.008ade90@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 09:51:04 -0500 To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: BSDCon East Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <38EEB1C8.C6E74E87@asme.org> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> <20000407143054.A9684@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407230743.00902b90@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 23:12 07-04-2000 -0500, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: >Let them find Carlo V...first :). Is his email carlo.v@hades.org ? :) (I'm assuming Hades is a non-profit organization here.) :-)))))))))) Adam ----------------------------------------------------------- "I think, therefore I am." - Seventeenth Century Philosophy "I publish what I think, therefore I have." - Twenty-First Century Action Details at http://www.OnlinePublisher.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 8: 6:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0E837B7B2 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:06:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (rh25.bfm.org [216.127.220.218]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:07:12 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000408100505.008ac8a0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 10:05:05 -0500 To: "Haikal Saadh" , "Pedro F. Giffuni" From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: BSDCon East Cc: "Marco Molteni" , In-Reply-To: <004b01bfa120$683fcba0$62a293cb@timberwolf> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> <20000407143054.A9684@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407230743.00902b90@mail85.pair.com> <38EEB1C8.C6E74E87@asme.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 16:04 08-04-2000 +1000, Haikal Saadh wrote: >> > At 22:38 07-04-2000 -0500, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: >> > >Carlo V ha detto che il Francese e per parlare su diplomasia, il >> > >spagnolo e per parlare con Dio e il tedesche e per parlare con gli >> > >animali. :-). > >Okay.. I dont' speak Italian, but I ran that snippet through babelfish and >got: > >"Carl V has said that the French and in order to speak on diplomasia, the >Spanish and in order to speak with God and the Germans and in order to speak >with the animals. -). " > >And then, I wondered "Huh?" All right, I'll translate it (I don't think it's fair to post it here without translation) - but remember, I am just the translator, I did not post the message! :-) "Charles V said that French is for talking diplomacy, Spanish for talking with God, and German for talking with animals." He then added in another message that he forgot to say that Italian was for talking love. My apologies to Pedro for blowing his cover, but, while anything goes on this list, it is supposed to be understood by all. By the way, your auto-translator did a pretty good job considering "e" means "and" without an accent mark, but it means "is" with one. Another by the way, while we're at it: My dear Pedro, it's "lo spagnolo," not "il spagnolo." (That's because it starts with "sp"). Ciao, Adam ----------------------------------------------------------- "I think, therefore I am." - Seventeenth Century Philosophy "I publish what I think, therefore I have." - Twenty-First Century Action Details at http://www.OnlinePublisher.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 8:10:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E4737B6DE for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:10:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (rh25.bfm.org [216.127.220.218]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:11:33 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000408100926.008712e0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 10:09:26 -0500 To: "Thomas M. Sommers" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: BSDCon East In-Reply-To: <38EED20D.CFD7FBE@mail.ptd.net> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> <20000407143054.A9684@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407230743.00902b90@mail85.pair.com> <38EEB1C8.C6E74E87@asme.org> <004b01bfa120$683fcba0$62a293cb@timberwolf> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:30 08-04-2000 -0400, Thomas M. Sommers wrote: >I don't know Italian, either, but I think Chuck was saying that you use >French to speak to diplomats, Spanish to speak to God, and German to >speak to animals. He said it, not me. Chuck? Sheesh, next thing someone will accuse our own Chuckie! :) And people will start wondering where to find germand on their FreeBSD... Adam ----------------------------------------------------------- "I think, therefore I am." - Seventeenth Century Philosophy "I publish what I think, therefore I have." - Twenty-First Century Action Details at http://www.OnlinePublisher.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 8:31: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c1870039.telekabel.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7947A37BABF for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:30:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Received: from nisser.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA80935; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:30:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Message-ID: <38EF50DC.D5EE3EAF@nisser.com> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 17:31:40 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Cc: Gustavo V G C Rios , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is traditional unixes kernel really stable ? References: <38ED128C.22C3AA28@tdnet.com.br> <20000406192206.N22104@fw.wintelcom.net> <38ED233E.74716D02@tdnet.com.br> <20000406230234.B4381@fw.wintelcom.net> <38EDD209.421EF9B0@tdnet.com.br> <38EE0536.F2305A40@quack.kfu.com> <38EDDBC4.51F2414D@tdnet.com.br> <38EE49A9.FD59F18@asme.org> <38EE6578.B27A1B27@nisser.com> <38EEABF5.9F05176@asme.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Pedro F. Giffuni" wrote: > > Anyway, I read somewhere that many Apple engineers were happier with a > monolitic kernel, (specificly FreeBSD) but the higher levels simply > wanted Mach. We will be able to make nice comparisons when we have a > FreeBSD port for the PowerPC... Can imagine, known territory. E.g. the Hurd was/is, at least to me, quite, well, different. Don't suppose that'll be a really fair comparison. Message passing doesn't come cheap. Roelof -- Home is where the (@) http://eboa.com/ is. UPC/Chello home http://nisser.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 8:33:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.originative.co.uk (mailgate.originative.co.uk [194.217.50.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5BC37BA9A for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:33:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@originative.co.uk) Received: from originative.co.uk (lobster.originative.co.uk [194.217.50.241]) by mailgate.originative.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4AE1D131; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:33:30 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <38EF514A.97F8001C@originative.co.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 16:33:30 +0100 From: Paul Richards Organization: Originative Solutions Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Knowles Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brad Knowles wrote: > > At 1:42 AM +0200 2000/4/6, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > > If the language in question has > > a strong divergence between spelling and pronunciation (English is > > pathological in this respect), > > On a side-note, English may be bad at things like this, but my > experience so far is that French is worse. > > Of course, Welsh is by far the worst I've ever encountered -- if > you ever hear a Welsh name that you think would result in less than > twelve characters, you probably aren't adding enough silent vowels > and consonants. ;-) Dai, that's a pretty short name and no silent letters. I'm not sure Welsh has that many silent letters, its more a case of non-Welsh speakers not understanding the sounds they make in that language. Then again, my knowledge of languages, even my own native tongue, is not that good (my native tongue being Welsh, my English is very good but I can't speak any other languages). I think the thing that's difficult about English is its irregularity. There aren't definitive ways of pronouncing words, there are general rules but there are lots of exceptions so you have to learn each word individually. I don't think Welsh is like that, its pretty regular in its pronunciation; once you know the rules for pronouncing character combinations then all words adhere to what you'd expect. If there's a fluent Welsh speaker on this list they can correct me? Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 9:26:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cage.tse-online.de (cage.tse-online.de [194.97.69.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 404A237B5C6 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 09:26:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@cage.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 47824 invoked by uid 1000); 8 Apr 2000 16:29:44 -0000 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:29:44 +0200 From: Andreas Braukmann To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000408182944.Q53658@cage.tse-online.de> References: <20000408012255.P53658@cage.tse-online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from kris@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 05:27:55PM -0700 Organization: TSE GmbH - Neue Medien Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 05:27:55PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Andreas Braukmann wrote: > > > let's try something simple, just pronounce: *i++; > > "Star i plus plus semicolon" :-) q.e.d. -Andreas -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 33. You name your children Eudora, Mozilla and Dotcom. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 10:50:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CE937B84E for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:50:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03150; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:50:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000408112619.04688100@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:26:55 -0600 To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" , Marco Molteni From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: BSDCon East Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <38EEA9B9.8BE1D8A0@asme.org> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> <20000407143054.A9684@sofia.csl.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:38 PM 4/7/2000 , Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: >Carlo V ha detto che il Francese e per parlare su diplomasia, il >spagnolo e per parlare con Dio e il tedesche e per parlare con gli >animali. I'd hate to think what he would have said about English. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 10:54:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C659337B68F for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:54:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03199; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:54:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000408112912.04687eb0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:30:10 -0600 To: "Haikal Saadh" , "Pedro F. Giffuni" , "G. Adam Stanislav" From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: BSDCon East Cc: "Marco Molteni" , In-Reply-To: <004b01bfa120$683fcba0$62a293cb@timberwolf> References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> <20000407143054.A9684@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407230743.00902b90@mail85.pair.com> <38EEB1C8.C6E74E87@asme.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:04 AM 4/8/2000 , Haikal Saadh wrote: >Okay.. I dont' speak Italian, but I ran that snippet through babelfish and >got: > >"Carl V has said that the French and in order to speak on diplomasia, the >Spanish and in order to speak with God and the Germans and in order to speak >with the animals. -). " > >And then, I wondered "Huh?" A better rendering of "e per" in this context would be "is for" rather than "in order to." --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 11:35:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DAC37BB77 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 11:34:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from giffunip@asme.org) Received: from asme.org ([216.226.229.175]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA2377 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:33:52 -0400 Message-ID: <38EF57A4.EAD77FE@asme.org> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:00:36 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East References: <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> <20000407143054.A9684@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407230743.00902b90@mail85.pair.com> <38EEB1C8.C6E74E87@asme.org> <004b01bfa120$683fcba0$62a293cb@timberwolf> <38EED20D.CFD7FBE@mail.ptd.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, final round: "French is for speaking to diplomats, Spanish is for speaking to God, Italian is for speaking about love and German is for speaking to animals." I am not going to justify Charles Vth's claims, they were probably related to the politics of the time, but my neighbors seem to believe their dobberman understands German better than any other language. Nowadays, most people associate French with love, Italian with food, Spanish with poverty, and German with evil plots ...too much marketing I guess. Also the german language doesn't seem as violent as the US movies would make believe. I don't speak German or French, but Italian is a language designed for poetry and art. English is probably the easiest language to learn, and if you know spanish you will understand most from the "romantic tongues" . Of course all these languages are a minority (in volume) compared to the chinese dialects. cheers, Pedro. "Thomas M. Sommers" wrote: > ... > > I don't know Italian, either, but I think Chuck was saying that you use > French to speak to diplomats, Spanish to speak to God, and German to > speak to animals. He said it, not me. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 12:13:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DBF237B84D for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:13:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA81886; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:11:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:11:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Spellings [was Re: BSDCon East] In-Reply-To: <20000407233952.A1610@theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > French are known to be touchy about imports of American words, but > concepts like "hot dog" and "internet" didn't exist in France earlier, > and to me it makes little sense to invent new words for these when > perfectly good words for these are already in use everywhere else.... If you think they were touchy about "hot dog" you can probably imagine the uproar when physicists started talking about "black holes." I'll let you figure out what the French word for that is. :-) Brett ***************************************************** Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics * Walker 234 (540) 831-5410 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 12:15: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7843337B84D for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:14:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA81902; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:14:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:14:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Marco Molteni Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East In-Reply-To: <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi guys, This is off topic, but we're on -chat so here goes: On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Marco Molteni wrote: > I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO > difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian. I am wondering > if there are other languages with this feature. I'm heading over to Italy in late June for a bike tour for 9-10 days - anyone know any good software/books to help learn enough so I'm not totally lost when I get there? I pick up languages pretty quick so I'm not horribly worried, but much like the little French I know, I'm lost after people stop talking about bike stuff. :-) Brett ***************************************************** Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics * Walker 234 (540) 831-5410 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 13: 7: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E025537B7ED for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:07:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04029; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000408140441.045db540@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 14:05:45 -0600 To: Brett Taylor , Marco Molteni From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: BSDCon East Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:14 PM 4/8/2000 , Brett Taylor wrote: >I'm heading over to Italy in late June for a bike tour for 9-10 days - >anyone know any good software/books to help learn enough so I'm not >totally lost when I get there? I pick up languages pretty quick so I'm >not horribly worried, but much like the little French I know, I'm lost >after people stop talking about bike stuff. :-) Just say something like "Choissisez la parapluie de fromage." Once they stop laughing, they'll speak English to you. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 13:14:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from scotty.masternet.it (scotty.masternet.it [194.184.65.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1BE37B84D for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:14:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gmarco@scotty.masternet.it) Received: from suzy.scotty.masternet.it (modem04.masternet.it [194.184.65.14]) by scotty.masternet.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA80324; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:14:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gmarco@scotty.masternet.it) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000408220858.028f9f00@scotty.masternet.it> X-Sender: gmarco@scotty.masternet.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 22:10:55 +0200 To: Brett Taylor From: Gianmarco Giovannelli Subject: Re: BSDCon East Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08/04/00, Brett Taylor wrote: >Hi guys, > >This is off topic, but we're on -chat so here goes: > >On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Marco Molteni wrote: > > > I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO > > difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian. I am wondering > > if there are other languages with this feature. > >I'm heading over to Italy in late June for a bike tour for 9-10 days - >anyone know any good software/books to help learn enough so I'm not >totally lost when I get there? I pick up languages pretty quick so I'm >not horribly worried, but much like the little French I know, I'm lost >after people stop talking about bike stuff. :-) What do you need ? I live in Prato, near Florence, so if you come in tuscany we can arrange a beer togheter with other italian FreeBSD fans ... (and bike fans too :-) Please let me know.... Best Regards, Gianmarco Giovannelli , "Unix expert since yesterday" http://www.giovannelli.it/~gmarco http://www2.masternet.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 13:17:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D9537B7AC for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:17:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from redprince@redprince.net) Received: from WhizKid (r38.bfm.org [216.127.220.134]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:18:14 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000408151605.00875100@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 15:16:05 -0500 To: Brett Glass From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: BSDCon East Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000408112619.04688100@localhost> References: <38EEA9B9.8BE1D8A0@asme.org> <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> <20000407143054.A9684@sofia.csl.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:26 08-04-2000 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: >At 09:38 PM 4/7/2000 , Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > >>Carlo V ha detto che il Francese e per parlare su diplomasia, il >>spagnolo e per parlare con Dio e il tedesche e per parlare con gli >>animali. > >I'd hate to think what he would have said about English. I thought he said, "And in America they haven't spoken it for years!" Oh, never mind, that was 'Enry 'Iggins... :) Cheers, Adam ----------------------------------------------------------- "I think, therefore I am." - Seventeenth Century Philosophy "I publish what I think, therefore I have." - Twenty-First Century Action Details at http://www.OnlinePublisher.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 13:26:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from scotty.masternet.it (scotty.masternet.it [194.184.65.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5165337B543 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:26:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gmarco@scotty.masternet.it) Received: from suzy.scotty.masternet.it (modem04.masternet.it [194.184.65.14]) by scotty.masternet.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA80454; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:26:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gmarco@scotty.masternet.it) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000408221854.025f4810@scotty.masternet.it> X-Sender: gmarco@scotty.masternet.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 22:23:23 +0200 To: Aleksandar Simic From: Gianmarco Giovannelli Subject: Re: BSDCon East Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20000407204236.A704@frustum.clara.co.uk> References: <3.0.6.32.20000407134348.0086f100@mail85.pair.com> <20000404152346.01398@techunix.technion.ac.il> <8cgj1a$313f$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000407134348.0086f100@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07/04/00, you wrote: >"G. Adam Stanislav" wrote : > > > At 10:21 07-04-2000 -0700, Marco Molteni wrote: > > >> No, but knowing Latin (even just a little Latin) helps a lot. It also > > >> helps a lot for learning English, Spanish, Italian and, to a lesser > > >> degree, several other European languages. > > > > > >I would like to introduce you all to a language where there is NO > > >difference between spelling and pronunciation: Italian. I am wondering > > >if there are other languages with this feature. > > > > Quasi tutte lingue slave. I mean, most Slavic languages. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Finally, I was conteplating of posting this myself. I am not quite >sure how Polish, Chech, Slav, ... and others work but Serbian is >possibly the simplest in this regard, since it is 100% phonetic. You >write what you say, and you read what is written. > >For example there is never an occurance of double letters in *any* >words. ie. "tutte" would be written "tute". Or another example, my >name is Aleksandar as opposed to Alexander. > ^^ ^ My girlfriend is from Split (Croatia), and after 10 years I stay with her I found that learning the Serb-croatian langaue is very difficult to me, even if I do latin in school (that can help a lot). Btw I was so surprised when I read that his neighbour has in the name + surname only two vocals letter (they were for me quite illegible :-) Best Regards, Gianmarco Giovannelli , "Unix expert since yesterday" http://www.giovannelli.it/~gmarco http://www2.masternet.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 13:30:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10EE37BD06 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:30:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA82220; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:30:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:30:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: Gianmarco Giovannelli Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000408220858.028f9f00@scotty.masternet.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote: > What do you need ? Mostly I want to learn some Italian before I get there so I was wondering if anyone knew of any good books or software that I could use to teach some to myself before heading over. :-) > I live in Prato, near Florence, so if you come in tuscany we can > arrange a beer togheter with other italian FreeBSD fans ... (and bike > fans too :-) I'll be near Pisa most of the trip, so not too far from Florence. I'm going on a tour run by Andy Hampsten (former pro) - Cinghiale Tours. Not sure how much free time I'll have, but I'll let you know. We start out in Castegneto Carducci and move around that area. Brett ***************************************************** Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics * Walker 234 (540) 831-5410 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 13:34: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E73237B5AA for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:34:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from redprince@redprince.net) Received: from WhizKid (r38.bfm.org [216.127.220.134]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:34:40 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000408153231.008a8450@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 15:32:31 -0500 To: Brett Taylor , Marco Molteni From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: BSDCon East Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 15:14 08-04-2000 -0400, Brett Taylor wrote: >I'm heading over to Italy in late June for a bike tour for 9-10 days - >anyone know any good software/books to help learn enough so I'm not >totally lost when I get there? Here's the first phrase you need to learn: "Non capisco Italiano." It means "I don't understand Italian." The Italians, in general, are quite willing to find a way to communicate with foreigners who don't speak their language. Best of all, unlike people from one of their neigboring countries, they couldn't care less about foreign accents. If you are trying to talk Italian, no matter how broken, they will not pretend they don't understand just because you don't sound exactly like them. I learned Italian very quickly by watching Japanese cartoons on a Roman TV station. The drawback of that method was that the first things I learned were phrases like "uccidetelo" (kill him!) and "eliminatelo" (eliminate him!). But, I have retained those to this day! :-) Cheers, Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 13:51:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from radagast.wizard.net (radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB5937BC2F for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:50:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tyson@stanfordalumni.org) Received: from stanfordalumni.org (tc3-s24.wizard.net [206.161.15.146]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA04401; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:50:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200004082050.QAA04401@radagast.wizard.net> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Cc: brett@peloton.runet.edu, redprince@redprince.net Subject: Re: BSDCon East In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 08 Apr 2000 15:32:31 CDT." <3.0.6.32.20000408153231.008a8450@mail85.pair.com> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 16:50:27 -0400 From: "Donald R. Tyson" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That's great advice, but you might want to consider also: Scusi, ma non parlo bene l'italiano which means, Sorry, I don't speak Italian well. Of course, you may not speak it at all --- but as has already been said, Italians won't care --- and this is a little more finished. Don Tyson > At 15:14 08-04-2000 -0400, Brett Taylor wrote: > >I'm heading over to Italy in late June for a bike tour for 9-10 days - > >anyone know any good software/books to help learn enough so I'm not > >totally lost when I get there? > > Here's the first phrase you need to learn: "Non capisco Italiano." It means > "I don't understand Italian." The Italians, in general, are quite willing > to find a way to communicate with foreigners who don't speak their language. > > Best of all, unlike people from one of their neigboring countries, they > couldn't care less about foreign accents. If you are trying to talk > Italian, no matter how broken, they will not pretend they don't understand > just because you don't sound exactly like them. > > I learned Italian very quickly by watching Japanese cartoons on a Roman TV > station. The drawback of that method was that the first things I learned > were phrases like "uccidetelo" (kill him!) and "eliminatelo" (eliminate > him!). But, I have retained those to this day! :-) > > Cheers, > Adam > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 14:15:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8602137B544 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:15:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e38LfoF05093; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:41:50 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Frederik Meerwaldt Cc: Ben Smithurst , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Line Wrapping (Was: Re: Setting up a Webserver) Message-ID: <20000408144150.A4381@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20000408135602.G4744@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Meerwaldt@t-online.de on Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 05:37:46PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Frederik Meerwaldt [000408 14:13] wrote: > Hi! > > > > > [...] > > >> > > >> Please wrap lines at 70 characters. > > > > > > Why not 80? A normal Terminal (I'm currently on a VT220) has got 80 > > > Chars/Line I think. But that's OT now. > > > > 70 allows a few levels of ">" quote characters without lines being too > > long for an 80 character terminal. But wrapping at 80 is still better > > than not wrapping at all. > > But why wrap the lines? All programs do that automatically, I think. > I'm using pine for my mails, and it does this automatically. > > But please correct me, if I'm wrong. Mailers built for other platforms take great strides to make email sent with them as annoying to read as possible for us text/mutt users. Microsoft 'Lookout!'(*) likes to quote messages as if you were forwarding the message back to the person and sticking your commentary on top which leads to a really annoying to read email. Lookout also doesn't wrap long lines, or decideds to at the wrong time, you should see some of the horrific emails I get that've been through a couple of rounds of Lookout, Netscrape and Eudora, they're hardly recognizable as english by the third or fourth round through these awful mailers. And to the unix haters that complain about '>From', well you can bite me. :) (*) thanks Terry, I love that one. :) -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 15:29:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED6D37B79B for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:29:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e38MT4G09450 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:29:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:29:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD jobs in Nashville, TN (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pardon the interruption. I hope the charter of this list is loose enough that posting this here as well won't get me flamed too bad. :) Just in case, please direct *all* replies (including flames) to me and not the list. -steve ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 15:16:18 -0700 (PDT) From: steve@FreeBSD.ORG To: freebsd-jobs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD jobs in Nashville, TN If anyone is looking for a job in the Nashville, TN area as a founding member of an e-commerce company, give me a jingle and I'll fill you in on the details. You can look at brief descriptions of the positions we have available here: http://www.planetwe.com/aboutwe/jobs.html Thanks. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-jobs" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 16:25:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 53F4037B68C for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:25:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 1792 invoked by uid 211); 8 Apr 2000 23:25:11 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 04:55:11 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Brett Glass Cc: "Pedro F. Giffuni" , Marco Molteni , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000409045511.D1715@theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in> References: <8cj1cg$1gse$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EE4C97.B9B83C7A@asme.org> <20000407143054.A9684@sofia.csl.sri.com> <38EEA9B9.8BE1D8A0@asme.org> <4.2.2.20000408112619.04688100@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000408112619.04688100@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 11:26:55AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >Carlo V ha detto che il Francese e per parlare su diplomasia, il > >spagnolo e per parlare con Dio e il tedesche e per parlare con gli > >animali. > > I'd hate to think what he would have said about English. I've seen a similar quote somewhere, I'm not sure who said it: "Spanish is the language for lovers, Italian for singers, French for diplomats, German for horses, and English for geese." Just did a web search for that. It seems to have been quoted as a Spanish proverb (without source) by H L Mencken. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 16:40:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B73237BB90 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 16:40:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mellon@jurai.net) Received: (from mellon@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) id TAA55419; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 19:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 19:40:48 -0400 From: Anatoly Vorobey To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDCon East Message-ID: <20000408194048.A55372@sasami.jurai.net> References: <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000408153231.008a8450@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000408153231.008a8450@mail85.pair.com>; from redprince@redprince.net on Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 03:32:31PM -0500 X-Disclaimer: I was young, I needed the money! Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You, G. Adam Stanislav, were spotted writing this on Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 03:32:31PM -0500: > At 15:14 08-04-2000 -0400, Brett Taylor wrote: > >I'm heading over to Italy in late June for a bike tour for 9-10 days - > >anyone know any good software/books to help learn enough so I'm not > >totally lost when I get there? > > Here's the first phrase you need to learn: "Non capisco Italiano." It means > "I don't understand Italian." The Italians, in general, are quite willing > to find a way to communicate with foreigners who don't speak their language. > > Best of all, unlike people from one of their neigboring countries, they > couldn't care less about foreign accents. If you are trying to talk > Italian, no matter how broken, they will not pretend they don't understand > just because you don't sound exactly like them. I've always wondered: do people actually *do* that? I can't quite understand why someone would be so obnoxious. And which nations are more susceptible to that behavior? -- Anatoly Vorobey, mellon@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~mellon/ "Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly" - G.K.Chesterton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 17: 2:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF11A37B72C for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:02:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05407; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:02:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000408180137.0418b100@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 18:02:17 -0600 To: Alfred Perlstein , Frederik Meerwaldt From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Line Wrapping (Was: Re: Setting up a Webserver) Cc: Ben Smithurst , chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000408144150.A4381@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20000408135602.G4744@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:41 PM 4/8/2000 , Alfred Perlstein wrote: >Microsoft 'Lookout!'(*) likes to quote messages as if you were >forwarding the message back to the person and sticking your commentary >on top which leads to a really annoying to read email. Here in Laramie, we call that program "Outhouse." --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 17:21: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from morpheus.skynet.be (morpheus.skynet.be [195.238.2.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C374F37B51B for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:21:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.21.91] (dialup603.brussels.skynet.be [195.238.21.91]) by morpheus.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32377DAD5; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:20:59 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000408194048.A55372@sasami.jurai.net> References: <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000408153231.008a8450@mail85.pair.com> <20000408194048.A55372@sasami.jurai.net> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:20:42 +0200 To: Anatoly Vorobey , "G. Adam Stanislav" From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: BSDCon East Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 7:40 PM -0400 2000/4/8, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: >=20 I've always wondered: do people actually *do* that? Yup. I've personally encountered it here in Belgium. >=20 I can't quite >=20 understand why someone would be so obnoxious. And which nations are mor= e >=20 susceptible to that behavior? My personal experience is that French speakers tend to be the=20 worst about this. I can only figure out that it's that whole "Well, we have=20 L'Academie Fran=E7aise, what the hell right do you have to even think=20 in another language?!?" -- =20 These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 20:15:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from rock.ghis.net (rock.ghis.net [209.222.164.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC4937B506 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:15:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@blackdawn.com) Received: from argon.blackdawn.com (07-205.dial.008.popsite.net [209.69.77.205]) by rock.ghis.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA76615; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by argon.blackdawn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F3FCF1A30; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:14:40 -0400 From: Will Andrews To: Steve Price Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD jobs in Nashville, TN (fwd) Message-ID: <20000408231440.A27888@argon.blackdawn.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from sprice@hiwaay.net on Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 05:29:04PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 05:29:04PM -0500, Steve Price wrote: > Pardon the interruption. I hope the charter of this list is > loose enough that posting this here as well won't get me flamed > too bad. :) Just in case, please direct *all* replies (including > flames) to me and not the list. As far as I know, the freebsd-chat charter is simply "Anything can be posted to this mailing list, and it need not even be remotely related to FreeBSD." This certainly has proven true, given that !$%@ stupid thread about guns and stuff like that. :-) -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 22:41:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F3B37B551 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 22:41:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from redprince@redprince.net) Received: from WhizKid (rh25.bfm.org [216.127.220.218]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:42:33 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000409004024.0091ad60@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 00:40:24 -0500 To: Anatoly Vorobey From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: BSDCon East Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20000408194048.A55372@sasami.jurai.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20000408153231.008a8450@mail85.pair.com> <20000407102159.B8417@sofia.csl.sri.com> <3.0.6.32.20000408153231.008a8450@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 19:40 08-04-2000 -0400, Anatoly Vorobey wrote: >> Best of all, unlike people from one of their neigboring countries, they >> couldn't care less about foreign accents. If you are trying to talk >> Italian, no matter how broken, they will not pretend they don't understand >> just because you don't sound exactly like them. > >I've always wondered: do people actually *do* that? I can't quite >understand why someone would be so obnoxious. And which nations are more >susceptible to that behavior? Yes, they do. I have deliberately not say which country is notorious for doing that because I do not want to turn a half-serious discussion into a war. Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Apr 8 23:52:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F3337B5BF for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:52:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id QAA12663 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:22:30 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:22:30 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: New ACM special interest groups (fwd) Message-ID: <20000409162230.D12381@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Forwarded message from Martin Pool ----- > Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:18:55 +1000 (EST) > > New ACM special interest groups > ------------------------------- > > On April 1, the ACM announced the creation of a new set of SIGs for > previously unrepresented or underserved interests in computing. The > Association hopes that these groups will help promote the personal > and professional development of members of a variety of constituencies > which previously had little organization within the ACM. > > The new SIGs are: > > > SIGALRM: special interest group for technology critics. > > SIGBUS: special interest group for applications of computing in mass transit > planning and operations. > > SIGCHLD: special interest group for applications of computing in primary and > secondary education. > > SIGCONT: special interest group for applications of computing in cultural > preservation and transmission. > > SIGFPE: special interest group for floating point enthusiasts. > > SIGILL: special interest group for applications of computing in health care. > > SIGINT: special interest group for technology in espionage. > > SIGIO: special interest group on I/O. > > SIGKILL: special interest group for RISKS readers. > > SIGPIPE: special interest group for applications of computing in HVAC and > plumbing systems. > > SIGPROF: special interest group for professors. > > SIGPWR: special interest group for applications of computing in electricity > generation and distribution. > > SIGQUIT: special interest group for computer professionals seeking new > employment. > > SIGSTOP: special interest group for applications of computing in public policy > and law enforcement. > > SIGSYS: special interest group for systems design. > > SIGTERM: special interest group for applications of computing in lexicography. > > SIGTRAP: special interest group for applications of computing in hunting and > fishing. > > SIGURG: an extremely important special interest group. > > SIGUSR1: special interest group for novices. > > SIGUSR2: special interest group for experienced users. > > SIGWINCH: special interest group in mechanical design. > > > This list was perpetrated by Seth Schoen and Brian Gaeke (who may or may > not remember it). > > -- > Seth David Schoen | And do not say, I will study when I > Temp. http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | have leisure; for perhaps you will > down: http://www.loyalty.org/ (CAF) | not have leisure. -- Pirke Avot 2:5 > > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message