From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 29 22:43:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE97C37B479; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:43:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from newsguy.com (p05-dn03kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.232.224.134]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id PAA23963; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:43:27 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <39FD1836.12DCB979@newsguy.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:41:58 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Will Andrews Cc: "R. Imura" , ports@FreeBSD.org, developers@FreeBSD.org, chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook authors.ent doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/contrib chapter.sgml doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/staff chapter.sgml References: <200010290446.VAA31044@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001028235057.T20599@puck.firepipe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Shouldn't he have gone to the alumni list instead of contributors, though? Will Andrews wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 09:46:40PM -0700, R. Imura wrote: > > Log: > > Move my name from staff list to contributor list. > > I'll retire from comitter work. > > > > Thanks! > > > > - Ryuichiro IMURA > > age: 422 days > > commit counts: 291 times (exclude this commit) > > closed PRs: 69 PRs > > typos: many.. :) > > I'll be the first to say THANK YOU for contributing over this time. > It's indeed sad that you have decided to retire. But I (and probably > many others) appreciate that you are at least saying something instead > of simply disappearing into the night like many others... :-) > > Good luck, > > -- > Will Andrews - Physics Computer Network wench -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@world.wide.bsdconspiracy.net He has been convicted of criminal possession of a clue with intent to distribute. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 29 22:47:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from puck.firepipe.net (mcut-b-167.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.209.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA57B37B479; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:47:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by puck.firepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8E2A319CD; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 01:47:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 01:47:37 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Will Andrews , "R. Imura" , ports@FreeBSD.org, developers@FreeBSD.org, chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook authors.ent doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/contrib chapter.sgml doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/staff chapter.sgml Message-ID: <20001030014737.U10767@puck.firepipe.net> Reply-To: Will Andrews Mail-Followup-To: Will Andrews , "Daniel C. Sobral" , "R. Imura" , ports@FreeBSD.org, developers@FreeBSD.org, chat@FreeBSD.org References: <200010290446.VAA31044@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001028235057.T20599@puck.firepipe.net> <39FD1836.12DCB979@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <39FD1836.12DCB979@newsguy.com>; from dcs@newsguy.com on Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 03:41:58PM +0900 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 03:41:58PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Shouldn't he have gone to the alumni list instead of contributors, > though? There's only an alumni list for core members. -- wca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 30 0:48:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ark.cris.net (ark.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592CB37B479; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 00:47:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id e9U8kRB49980; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:46:27 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:46:27 +0200 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Will Andrews , "Daniel C. Sobral" , "R. Imura" , ports@FreeBSD.org, developers@FreeBSD.org, chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook authors.ent doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/contrib chapter.sgml doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/staff chapter.sgml Message-ID: <20001030104627.A94775@ark.cris.net> References: <200010290446.VAA31044@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001028235057.T20599@puck.firepipe.net> <39FD1836.12DCB979@newsguy.com> <20001030014737.U10767@puck.firepipe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20001030014737.U10767@puck.firepipe.net>; from will@physics.purdue.edu on Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:47:37AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:47:37AM -0500, Will Andrews wrote: > > Shouldn't he have gone to the alumni list instead of contributors, > > though? > > There's only an alumni list for core members. Feel free to create such one for committers and submit patches for review. It was accepted by discussion about year ago, but looks like no one have spare time for that. :) -- /* Alexey Zelkin && phantom@cris.net */ /* Tavric National University && phantom@FreeBSD.org */ /* Sysadmin/Developer && phantom@sms.umc.com.ua */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 30 4:17:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C1637B4D7 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:17:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA98356; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:17:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: ftp.freebsd.org b0rked? From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 30 Oct 2000 13:17:10 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org root@aes /usr/src/lib/libfetch# telnet ftp.freebsd.org ftp Trying 216.66.64.162... Connected to ftp.freesoftware.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 sourcerer.freesoftware.com FTP server (Version DG-3.1.42 Thu Jul 6 14:10:01 PDT 2000) ready. USER ftp 331 Guest login ok, send your email address as password. PASS des@aes.thinksec.com Connection closed by foreign host. Why the cold shoulder? Is it because aes doesn't have a reverse entry? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 30 5:21:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gw.nectar.com (gw.nectar.com [208.42.49.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D4F37B4C5 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:21:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by gw.nectar.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6182E193DF; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:21:53 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:21:53 -0600 From: "Jacques A. Vidrine" To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Trevor Johnson , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/x11/XFree86-4 pkg-message Makefile pkg-install ports/x11/XFree86-4/files patch-config_cf_Server_tmpl Message-ID: <20001030072153.A30407@spawn.nectar.com> References: <20001028172651.A85789@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001029120407.C26020@spawn.nectar.com> <39FD1967.74EE1709@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39FD1967.74EE1709@newsguy.com>; from dcs@newsguy.com on Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 03:47:03PM +0900 X-Url: http://www.nectar.com/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [redirected to -chat, since this thread appears to be technically content-free] On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 03:47:03PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > I'm at lost here. I have always used startx to start X. What else would > I use? (forget xdm) xdm, wdm, gdm, kdm, whatever. But I'm curious -- what do you mean by `forget xdm'? -- Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / jvidrine@verio.net / nectar@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 30 5:37:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.tfcc.com (tfcci.com [204.210.226.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4D237B4E5 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:37:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by proxy.tfcc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09305; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:37:13 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: proxy.tfcc.com: mail set sender to using -f Received: from icestorm.tfcc.com(192.168.4.115) by proxy.tfcc.com via smap (V2.1/2.1a) id xma009293; Mon, 30 Oct 00 08:36:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:36:48 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Fuhrman X-Sender: cfuhrman@icestorm.tfcc.com To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What the ??ck! In-Reply-To: <20001027192256.D75251@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> Message-ID: Organization: 21st Century Communications MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Whoops. Guess that was a typo... DOH! Anyway, you get the point :) On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Crist J . Clark wrote: > $ whois levisjeans.com > [snip] > Registrant: > Levi-Strauss & Co (LEVISJEANS-DOM) > 1155 Battery Street > San Francisco, CA 94111 > US > -- Chris Fuhrman | Twenty First Century Communications cfuhrman@tfcci.com | Software Engineer (W) 614-442-1215 x271 | (F) 614-442-5662 | PGP/GPG Public Key Available on Request To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 30 5:41:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0735837B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from newsguy.com (p40-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.105]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id WAA29118; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:41:20 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <39FD7A27.DE4BB3E@newsguy.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:39:51 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jacques A. Vidrine" Cc: Trevor Johnson , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/x11/XFree86-4 pkg-message Makefile pkg-install ports/x11/XFree86-4/files patch-config_cf_Server_tmpl References: <20001028172651.A85789@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001029120407.C26020@spawn.nectar.com> <39FD1967.74EE1709@newsguy.com> <20001030072153.A30407@spawn.nectar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jacques A. Vidrine" wrote: > > [redirected to -chat, since this thread appears to be technically > content-free] > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 03:47:03PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > I'm at lost here. I have always used startx to start X. What else would > > I use? (forget xdm) > > xdm, wdm, gdm, kdm, whatever. But I'm curious -- what do you mean by > `forget xdm'? I mean that I log on text mode and use mainly text mode, only starting X now and then for special tasks, so I don't want xdm. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@world.wide.bsdconspiracy.net He has been convicted of criminal possession of a clue with intent to distribute. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 30 5:46:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gw.nectar.com (gw.nectar.com [208.42.49.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB64337B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by gw.nectar.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 30ED3193DF; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:46:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:46:40 -0600 From: "Jacques A. Vidrine" To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Trevor Johnson , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/x11/XFree86-4 pkg-message Makefile pkg-install ports/x11/XFree86-4/files patch-config_cf_Server_tmpl Message-ID: <20001030074640.A30484@spawn.nectar.com> References: <20001028172651.A85789@citusc17.usc.edu> <20001029120407.C26020@spawn.nectar.com> <39FD1967.74EE1709@newsguy.com> <20001030072153.A30407@spawn.nectar.com> <39FD7A27.DE4BB3E@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39FD7A27.DE4BB3E@newsguy.com>; from dcs@newsguy.com on Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 10:39:51PM +0900 X-Url: http://www.nectar.com/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 10:39:51PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > I mean that I log on text mode and use mainly text mode, only starting X > now and then for special tasks, so I don't want xdm. Exactly the kind of reason that I assert that we should support Xwrapper, even though display managers such as xdm are a `better' way of starting up X for most folks. By the way, xdm != start X at boot. It can be used to start X only now and then. -- Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / jvidrine@verio.net / nectar@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 30 5:49:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1632F37B4CF for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 13qFJ7-0007SC-00 for chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:49:01 +0000 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA76301 for chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:49:01 GMT (envelope-from jcm) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:49:01 +0000 From: j mckitrick To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: RPC through a firewall Message-ID: <20001030134901.A75987@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I have a simple firewall setup based on the Mark Silver (?) tutorial from a few months back. I have an assignment to write a simple file server and client using remote procedure calls. I found a fair amount of documentation, including rpcgen, which is definitely going to be critical for my project. 2 questions: what would be a good way to transfer a file using rpc? Can I use ftp within my client/server system? Do I need to do anything special in my firewall to allow this? I believe rpc is still enabled in my /etc/services, but I would like the firewall to allow local testing and then remote testing. For Licq I had to add a few lines to the firewall config to allow those port connections. Since the RPC ports are already present, do I need to do anything special to allow this? Thanks for any help. This is going to be a big project in an already crazy semester. jcm -- "That depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is." -President Bill Clinton "I don't know what you mean by the word 'ask.'" -CEO Bill Gates To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 30 8:49: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7059337B4CF for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:49:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e9UGljA18285; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:47:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:47:45 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: j mckitrick Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RPC through a firewall Message-ID: <20001030084745.R22110@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20001030134901.A75987@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20001030134901.A75987@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>; from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org on Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:49:01PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * j mckitrick [001030 05:49] wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a simple firewall setup based on the Mark Silver (?) tutorial from a > few months back. I have an assignment to write a simple file server and > client using remote procedure calls. I found a fair amount of > documentation, including rpcgen, which is definitely going to be critical > for my project. > > 2 questions: what would be a good way to transfer a file using rpc? Can I > use ftp within my client/server system? Sure, you just have to have both sides agree on a method of transport, what you can do is send an RPC request that asks "what port do I connect to, to do bulk transfer" and the server can bind a free port and respond. Or you can tell the server "i'm uploading a file to location X on your machine" then do the ftp transfer. > Do I need to do anything special in my firewall to allow this? I believe > rpc is still enabled in my /etc/services, but I would like the firewall to > allow local testing and then remote testing. For Licq I had to add a few > lines to the firewall config to allow those port connections. Since the RPC > ports are already present, do I need to do anything special to allow this? You'll want to see how to always bind to a particular port for RPC, nfs does this, I'm sure there are references on how to do this. "Power Programming with RPC" from ORA would function as a pretty comprehensive guide for you although a lot of the information in it is circa 1995 (it seems) RPC itself hasn't changed much since then. > > Thanks for any help. This is going to be a big project in an already crazy > semester. :) best of luck, -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 30 10:42:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2EB37B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:42:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00623; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:42:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.freebsd.org b0rked? References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 30 Oct 2000 19:42:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav's message of "30 Oct 2000 13:17:10 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > Why the cold shoulder? Is it because aes doesn't have a reverse entry? Can't be that, because *this* box has a valid PTR but still can't talk to ftp.freebsd.org: des@time ~% ./fetch ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org:21/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-4-stable/Latest/vilearn.tgz scheme: [ftp] user: [] password: [] host: [ftp.FreeBSD.org] port: [21] document: [/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-4-stable/Latest/vilearn.tgz] ---> ftp.FreeBSD.org:21 <<< 220 sourcerer.freesoftware.com FTP server (Version DG-3.1.42 Thu Jul 6 14:10:01 PDT 2000) ready. >>> USER ftp <<< 331 Guest login ok, send your email address as password. >>> PASS des@time.thinksec.com fetch: vilearn.tgz: Connection reset by peer DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 30 11: 0:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D000037B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:00:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01483; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:58:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200010301858.KAA01483@implode.root.com> To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.freebsd.org b0rked? In-reply-to: Your message of "30 Oct 2000 13:17:10 +0100." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:58:07 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >root@aes /usr/src/lib/libfetch# telnet ftp.freebsd.org ftp >Trying 216.66.64.162... >Connected to ftp.freesoftware.com. >Escape character is '^]'. >220 sourcerer.freesoftware.com FTP server (Version DG-3.1.42 Thu Jul 6 14:10:01 PDT 2000) ready. >USER ftp >331 Guest login ok, send your email address as password. >PASS des@aes.thinksec.com >Connection closed by foreign host. > >Why the cold shoulder? Is it because aes doesn't have a reverse entry? No. It doesn't care about reverse DNS or what you typed in above. I don't know why the connection was closed. Have you tried it more than once? Does it still do that now? -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org President, TeraSolutions, Inc. - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 30 11:33:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C3337B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:33:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00902; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:33:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: dg@root.com Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.freebsd.org b0rked? References: <200010301858.KAA01483@implode.root.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 30 Oct 2000 20:33:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: David Greenman's message of "Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:58:07 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Greenman writes: > No. It doesn't care about reverse DNS or what you typed in above. I don't > know why the connection was closed. Have you tried it more than once? Does it > still do that now? Yes, and yes - it consistently drops connections from this net, but it works fine from other places. I'm starting to wonder if there's a transparent proxy somewhere upstream that's screwing the pooch. Might there be some relevant information in the ftpd logs on ftp.freebsd.org? The hosts that fail to connect are all on the 193.212.248.0/25 subnet. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 30 23:20:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C8E37B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:20:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27096; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:16:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAApeaGZ0; Tue Oct 31 00:16:35 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA26392; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:20:08 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200010310720.AAA26392@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: ftp.freebsd.org b0rked? To: des@ofug.org (Dag-Erling Smorgrav) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:20:08 +0000 (GMT) Cc: dg@root.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dag-Erling Smorgrav" at Oct 30, 2000 08:33:31 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > No. It doesn't care about reverse DNS or what you typed in above. I don't > > know why the connection was closed. Have you tried it more than once? Does it > > still do that now? > > Yes, and yes - it consistently drops connections from this net, but it > works fine from other places. I'm starting to wonder if there's a > transparent proxy somewhere upstream that's screwing the pooch. > > Might there be some relevant information in the ftpd logs on > ftp.freebsd.org? The hosts that fail to connect are all on the > 193.212.248.0/25 subnet. I have seen this with particular firewalls (I think CheckPoint was one), where they attempt to do state tracking on FTP, and fail to be able to do that and do address rewriting at the same time. The fix was to hack the FTP daemon to use leading zeros, so that the IP address had the same number of digits before and after being rewritten. Later versions of the software didn't have the problem. There was also a problem with PPPoE that ended up being the ipfw packet drop code; there was a recent patch that went by in -current, which seemed to address this, so maybe it's just a case of old code, if you are running ipfw based firewalls on FreeBSD boxes. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 31 1:12:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF6137B4CF for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:12:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04069; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:11:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Terry Lambert Cc: dg@root.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.freebsd.org b0rked? References: <200010310720.AAA26392@usr02.primenet.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 31 Oct 2000 10:11:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: Terry Lambert's message of "Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:20:08 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: Lines: 18 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert writes: > I have seen this with particular firewalls (I think CheckPoint > was one), where they attempt to do state tracking on FTP, and > fail to be able to do that and do address rewriting at the same > time. Not relevant. I'm using real IP addresses and the connection is dropped immediately after the PASS command, no matter what password I actually send. There is a FW1 upstream, but it's supposed to let all traffic to and from my subnet through untouched. David - is there any way we can try to debug this? I guess the first thing to try is if it's specific to dgftpd - do you have another site that runs dgftpd I can test against? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 31 1:27:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080D137B4CF for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:27:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA04010; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:25:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200010310925.BAA04010@implode.root.com> To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Terry Lambert , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.freebsd.org b0rked? In-reply-to: Your message of "31 Oct 2000 10:11:38 +0100." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 01:25:21 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Terry Lambert writes: >> I have seen this with particular firewalls (I think CheckPoint >> was one), where they attempt to do state tracking on FTP, and >> fail to be able to do that and do address rewriting at the same >> time. > >Not relevant. I'm using real IP addresses and the connection is >dropped immediately after the PASS command, no matter what password I >actually send. There is a FW1 upstream, but it's supposed to let all >traffic to and from my subnet through untouched. > >David - is there any way we can try to debug this? I guess the first >thing to try is if it's specific to dgftpd - do you have another site >that runs dgftpd I can test against? Yes, ftp.cdrom.com. -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org President, TeraSolutions, Inc. - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 31 2:53:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailtoaster1.pipeline.ch (mailtoaster1.pipeline.ch [62.48.0.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 91C7A37B4E5 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:53:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 67996 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2000 10:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO telehouse.ch) ([62.48.0.53]) (envelope-sender ) by mailtoaster1.pipeline.ch (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 31 Oct 2000 10:51:55 -0000 Message-ID: <39FEA4C4.1C4979B4@telehouse.ch> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:53:56 +0100 From: Andre Oppermann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Terry Lambert , dg@root.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.freebsd.org b0rked? References: <200010310720.AAA26392@usr02.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Terry Lambert writes: > > I have seen this with particular firewalls (I think CheckPoint > > was one), where they attempt to do state tracking on FTP, and > > fail to be able to do that and do address rewriting at the same > > time. > > Not relevant. I'm using real IP addresses and the connection is > dropped immediately after the PASS command, no matter what password I > actually send. There is a FW1 upstream, but it's supposed to let all > traffic to and from my subnet through untouched. > > David - is there any way we can try to debug this? I guess the first > thing to try is if it's specific to dgftpd - do you have another site > that runs dgftpd I can test against? ftp.cdrom.com (yes, it is different machine from ftp.freebsd.org) -- Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 31 3: 6:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fling.sanbi.ac.za (fling.sanbi.ac.za [196.38.142.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E1F37B4CF for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:06:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from johann by fling.sanbi.ac.za with local (Exim 3.13 #4) id 13qZFA-0000Kq-00; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:06:16 +0200 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:06:16 +0200 From: Johann Visagie To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What the ??ck! Message-ID: <20001031130616.A815@fling.sanbi.ac.za> References: <20001026232727.A228@whizkidtech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001026232727.A228@whizkidtech.net>; from adam@whizkidtech.net on Thu, Oct 26, 2000 at 11:27:27PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org G. Adam Stanislav on 2000-10-26 (Thu) at 23:27:27 -0500: > > So, I entered what I thought was http://www.freebsd.org/ in my browser, > and here comes this weird page full of banners, plus a JavaScript pop-up > window (gosh, I hate those!). > > And I'm wondering what the heck happened. Then I noticed I mistyped. The > site was actually http://www.frebsd.org/ (just one 'e'). Linked from slashdot, an article about "typosquatting": http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2646485,00.html?chkpt=zdhpnews01 -- Johann To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 31 5:58:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from relay.cigital.com (relay.rstcorp.com [216.112.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BC637B4C5 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 05:58:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from exchange.rstcorp.com (exchange.rstcorp.com [10.1.20.3]) by relay.cigital.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718829B12; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:58:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from jabberwock (jabberwock.rstcorp.com [10.1.254.253]) by exchange.rstcorp.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id VTK4P1S0; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:56:31 -0500 Received: by jabberwock (Postfix, from userid 93) id 2291AE; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:58:31 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14846.53254.975601.811512@jabberwock.rstcorp.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:58:30 -0500 (EST) From: Viren R.Shah To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.freebsd.org b0rked? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 10) "Capitol Reef" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: Viren R.Shah Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>> "DES" == Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: DES> Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: >> Why the cold shoulder? Is it because aes doesn't have a reverse entry? [...] DES> fetch: vilearn.tgz: Connection reset by peer I've been having the same problem with ftp.freebsd.org for a while. I just put it down to a misconfiguration of our firewall (which is a Checkpoint FW1) jabberwock# fetch -v ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org:21/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-4-stable/Latest/vilearn.tgz looking up ftp.FreeBSD.org connecting to ftp.FreeBSD.org:21 fetch: vilearn.tgz: Connection reset by peer For a while I've had to set my ports master site to: MASTER_SITE_OVERRIDE=ftp://ftp2.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/ since ftp.freebsd.org wouldn't work from work. DES> DES Viren -- Viren R. Shah {viren @ cigital . com} Research Associate, Cigital Inc. "I believe every process which shows failure can be improved, and any human process that does not show failures is so broken that failures do not even show up." -- Simon Shapiro (freebsd-current) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 31 11:11:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.opus.co.tt (mail.opus.co.tt [196.3.136.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE1737B479 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:11:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from distance10 (unverified [196.3.136.186]) by mail.opus.co.tt (Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.183) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:12:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c0436e$94ccb0c0$200101c8@SOL> From: "Dale Chulhan - Work" To: Subject: Bonding connections Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:12:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK after some fruitless hours or searching all I could come up with for bonded connections is a product for LINUX and none for BSD. This is my situation: I have 3 regular analogue phone lines and 3 modems. I have a BSD machine doing dial on demand and running squid serving 45 users. Everything's slow .. I need to bond connections or make better use of the resources that I have. Thank you for any help, Dale Chulhan, A Trini guy from the Caribbean. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 31 15: 4:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875DA37B4CF for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04740; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:02:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAWzaifj; Tue Oct 31 16:02:34 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17820; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:04:19 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200010312304.QAA17820@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Bonding connections To: dchulhan@uwi.tt (Dale Chulhan - Work) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:04:19 +0000 (GMT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <000f01c0436e$94ccb0c0$200101c8@SOL> from "Dale Chulhan - Work" at Oct 31, 2000 03:12:57 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > OK after some fruitless hours or searching all I could come up with for > bonded connections is a product for LINUX and none for BSD. > > This is my situation: > I have 3 regular analogue phone lines and 3 modems. > I have a BSD machine doing dial on demand and running squid serving 45 > users. > Everything's slow .. I need to bond connections or make better use of the > resources that I have. man mpd man netgraph Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 31 15:10: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from winnie.fit.edu (fit.edu [163.118.5.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0860437B479 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:09:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from netzero.net (rm305w-a.campbell.fit.edu [163.118.216.111]) by winnie.fit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA16816 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:10:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <39FF51D4.32D7E5C1@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:12:20 -0500 From: Kruptos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Leaving my root behind. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey all, Just a funny little question. I believe I will answer most of it for myself in this message, I just want to alleviate any doubts I may have. I think this is best for chat. Enjoy my insanity. For some weird reason, which I can't even explain to myself really, I wish to create a new uid0 account on my system. I have already done this. Now, I wish to replace the encrypted password in master.passwd with a '*' to disallow attempts to log into the account named 'root'. Any ideas how this is going to affect normal operations. Please note: I am aware that su explicitly declares 'root' as the user name unless you type one after it. I am considering this an extra benefit to this action. Yeah, I know that a user needs to be in the wheel group to even try to su to a uid0 account (call me paranoid). For now, I wish to retain the entry for root in the passwd file simply to keep the new uid0 login hidden from most ignorant people (aka people who don't know how to 'cat /etc/passwd'). I have learned that when doing an 'ls -l' the first account with the correct uid is displayed as the owner. Thus, if I placed the entry for eris (the new account) before root in the passwd file, it would appear in place of root in a long listing that included files owned by uid0. Now, I am curious as to what would happen if I removed the root entry entirely. Would the system cease to function at all? And/or what other common commands have the user name 'root' hard coded. (I have yet to find an easy and reliable way to search through the entire source tree for the word root. (If you know how to do this, please clue me in, it would be appreciated.)) I don't believe that root is hard coded in single user mode, does any one know about this? I think that the system would remain function without root, but I am too afraid to try. For all I know it could work fine till some error caused by the phase of the moon (much later) throws a monkey wrench into to gears, leaving me with no clue about what is causing the problem. I guess the question I really have is, does the user root have to exist? Why and/or Why not? Just a little question to keep you all on your toes. -Kevin "All men have reason, but not all men are reasonable." Don't open your eyes, you won't like what you see; the devils of truth steal the souls of the free... Don't open your eyes, take it from me -- I have found you can find happiness in slavery... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 31 19: 7:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from p.intothewind.cx (adsl-141-157-91-172.baltmd.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.157.91.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CBBC37B4C5; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:07:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p.intothewind.cx (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eA134vG03127; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:04:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from patrick@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <39FF8859.B2DED3EB@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:04:57 -0500 From: Patrick Gardella Organization: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexey Zelkin , developers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Proposed Developers Alumni Chapter for Handbook References: <200010290446.VAA31044@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001028235057.T20599@puck.firepipe.net> <39FD1836.12DCB979@newsguy.com> <20001030014737.U10767@puck.firepipe.net> <20001030104627.A94775@ark.cris.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------E9965616932CCB09CB06ACE4" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E9965616932CCB09CB06ACE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alexey Zelkin wrote: > > hi, > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:47:37AM -0500, Will Andrews wrote: > > > > Shouldn't he have gone to the alumni list instead of contributors, > > > though? > > > > There's only an alumni list for core members. > > Feel free to create such one for committers and submit patches for review. > It was accepted by discussion about year ago, but looks like no one > have spare time for that. :) I've put together the patches based on the "access" file (see below). This can be a start for the list, but I doubt it is complete. It lists eleven people who have had their commit bits removed, and the dates they served, if I could find them. I noticed that most of them still have entities in authors.ent, but they are still pointed to freebsd.org addresses. Should we try to make an effort to find these people and get current email addresses, or just remove the addresses? And of course, if anyone knows of someone who is not on this list, let me know, and I'll add them. The patches attached could be committed to the handbook today (and once someone reviews them, I'll do so) and then we can update it as we find people. I've verified they build properly. Patrick ---------- Patrick Gardella patrick@freebsd.org The Power to Serve shall not be infringed. --------------E9965616932CCB09CB06ACE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="develalumni.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="develalumni.txt" --- chapter.sgml.orig Mon Oct 30 19:52:07 2000 +++ chapter.sgml Tue Oct 31 21:27:50 2000 @@ -1100,6 +1100,52 @@ J. T. Conklin (1992 - 1993) + + + + Development Team Alumni + + The following people were members of the FreeBSD development team + during the periods indicated. We thank them for their past efforts + in the service of the FreeBSD project. + + In rough chronological order: + + + + &a.tedm (???? - 2000) + + + &a.karl (???? - 2000) + + + &a.gclarkii (???? - 2000) + + + &a.jraynard (???? - 2000) + + + &a.jgreco (???? - 1999) + + + &a.ats (???? - 1999) + + + Jamil Weatherby (1997 - 1999) + + + meganm (???? - 1998) + + + &a.dyson (???? - 1998) + + + Amancio Hasty (1997 - 1998) + + + Drew Derbyshire (1997 - 1998) + + --------------E9965616932CCB09CB06ACE4-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 1 0: 5: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from agora.babug.org (unknown [205.166.121.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A6637B4C5 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 00:05:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by agora.babug.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA89112 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 00:05:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) From: Josef Grosch Message-Id: <200011010805.AAA89112@agora.babug.org> Subject: BAFUG Announce To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 00:05:00 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is the monthly BAFUG posting. It contains 3 sections; Jobs, Counter, and Retail notice. This is posted on the first of the month. If there are any questions please send them to jgrosch@MooseRiver.com Thanks *** JOBS NOTICE *** San Francisco Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) has put up a web page of employers in the San Francisco Bay Area who are looking for employees, permanent or contact, who have FreeBSD skills. The URL is : http://www.bafug.org/BayAreaJobs.html Employers: The emphasis here is FreeBSD. The job you are advertising should have FreeBSD as a major component of the job. If you wish to advertise a job please send the URL to your web page with the job listings to jgrosch@MooseRiver.com. Employees: When contacting these employers please tell them that you saw this job listing on the Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs page. *** COUNTER NOTICE *** FreeBSD Counter Project The FreeBSD Counter project and BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) have put up the first public beta of its counter page. The Counter project is an attempt to gauge the installed base of FreeBSD. We current do not have a very good idea as to what is our installed base, how FreeBSD is being used and by whom. Because of this, FreeBSD is at a disadvantage when talking to ISVs and hardware and software vendors. You are invited to register with the counter project. The counter page can be found at : http://www.bafug.org/FbsdCounter.html Couple of caveats: * Your information is held to be confidential. Only those on the project, FreeBSD core group, and Walnut Creek CDROM will ever see this information. It will _NOT_ be handed over to spammers, direct marketers, and any of the other assorted bozos. * Suggestions and comments are welcome! * The database behind this page was built from the email registrations sent to Walnut Creek. If you registered at the time of an install chances are you are in this database. *** RETAIL NOTICE *** Retail outlets for FreeBSD A common question for new users of FreeBSD is, "Where can I get a copy of FreeBSD"? Aside from Walnut Creek CDROM (http://www.cdrom.com) there are a number of retail outlets world wide. A partial list can be found at http://www.bafug.org/Retail.html Notice this is a partial list. We are collecting addresses (snail, email, and web) of retail outlets for FreeBSD. So, send us the address of you friendly (or not-so-friendly) store that carries FreeBSD. -- $Id: BafugAnnounce.txt,v 1.2 1999/10/01 07:10:24 jgrosch Exp $ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 1 3:43:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.originative.co.uk (mailgate.originative.co.uk [62.232.68.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A399937B4C5 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 03:43:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebsd-services.co.uk (lobster.originative.co.uk [62.232.68.81]) by mailgate.originative.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4E21D140; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:43:04 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <3A0001C8.EDD6ABE4@freebsd-services.co.uk> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:43:04 +0000 From: Paul Richards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert Cc: Dale Chulhan - Work , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bonding connections References: <200010312304.QAA17820@usr09.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert wrote: > > > OK after some fruitless hours or searching all I could come up with for > > bonded connections is a product for LINUX and none for BSD. > > > > This is my situation: > > I have 3 regular analogue phone lines and 3 modems. > > I have a BSD machine doing dial on demand and running squid serving 45 > > users. > > Everything's slow .. I need to bond connections or make better use of the > > resources that I have. > > man mpd > man netgraph The standard user-land ppp does bonding as well I think, it's not required that you install mpd to make bonding work. Paul Richards FreeBSD Services Ltd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 1 6: 7:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC5237B4CF for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 06:07:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA26934; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:03:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAxxaOu0; Wed Nov 1 07:03:41 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA04590; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:06:50 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200011011406.HAA04590@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Bonding connections To: paul@freebsd-services.co.uk (Paul Richards) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:06:49 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), dchulhan@uwi.tt (Dale Chulhan - Work), chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3A0001C8.EDD6ABE4@freebsd-services.co.uk> from "Paul Richards" at Nov 01, 2000 11:43:04 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > OK after some fruitless hours or searching all I could come up with for > > > bonded connections is a product for LINUX and none for BSD. > > > > > > This is my situation: > > > I have 3 regular analogue phone lines and 3 modems. > > > I have a BSD machine doing dial on demand and running squid serving 45 > > > users. > > > Everything's slow .. I need to bond connections or make better use of the > > > resources that I have. > > > > man mpd > > man netgraph > > The standard user-land ppp does bonding as well I think, it's not > required that you install mpd to make bonding work. I believe you will have to run -current to get this, since I'm pretty sure it came in with the patches for the MS VPN support, just the other day. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 1 6:19:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from be-well.ilk.org (lowellg.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.184.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8F037B4C5 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 06:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lowell@localhost) by be-well.ilk.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eA1EJ6m58835; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:19:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lowell) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Cc: rino@altayer.com, andyf@speednet.com.au Reply-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Securing boot -s and disabling CNTRL-ALT-DEL... X-No-Archive: yes References: <2C9DB6D1616E784BB788F1CBAD33A2F3F523@EXCHANGE1.atg.altayer.com> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 01 Nov 2000 09:19:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: rino@altayer.com's message of "1 Nov 2000 14:55:15 +0100" Message-ID: <447l6nzsfa.fsf@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net> Lines: 34 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andy Farkas said: > You are probably right. I've always thought it odd that you can walk up > to a Unix (aka FreeBSD) console and press and have it > reboot! Perhaps the default condition should be to ignore it? > > It is too late to lobby this "feature" for FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE. Perhaps > for 5.0? rino@altayer.com (Rino Mardo) replied: > I agree it's too late. It should be in FreeBSD 5.x when it comes out. This has been discussed lots of times on lots of FreeBSD lists (which is why I replied to -chat instead of -questions), but this is probably a bad idea. There are *very* few cases where disabling the ctrl-alt-del reboot would improve security. Basically, you have to have good enough physical security to keep people from kicking out power cords, but not good enough to keep untrusted people from sitting down at the keyboards. Such cases exist -- public terminal rooms in schools come to mind -- but they are all situations where a default install won't really have done the job anywy. Meanwhile, the reboot saves a lot of pain on initial installs. FreeBSD's defaults should be as secure as possible from *external* attack, but I think it's reasonable for the install defaults to assume that the hardware is reasonably secure. I understand that we have added "security profiles" in the install, which should allow us to have it both ways, so even if you disagree with my argument about the general usefulness of this option, there's no reason for your approach to affect the typical user. - Lowell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 1 13:36:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B90537B479 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:36:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eA1Lc4M21826; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:38:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:37:49 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Donn Miller Cc: Yaroslav Halchinsky , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: REMINDER: 4.2 code freeze starts tomorrow! Message-ID: <20001101133749.A21810@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <20001101205246.E83DD2FA0C@relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from dmmiller@cvzoom.net on Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 03:58:24PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 03:58:24PM -0500, Donn Miller wrote: > 4:40 AM or thereabouts. I think we should have the 2AM thing moved to > 4:01 AM, because a lot of people are still up and working at their > computers at 2 AM. It's very inconvenient. (Man, I HATE that daily > thing!) It's usually a signal to me that I need to go to bed now, because I have to get up in the morning :-) Kris --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjoAjSwACgkQWry0BWjoQKW1/QCglIT1IFhIIGRFVGQ18CRD1aob XO0AoPTt5TyHVOyDzACfl2Cj1TKqB262 =rYPL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 1 16: 4:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2033837B4E5 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:04:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16286; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:01:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAICayPF; Wed Nov 1 17:01:06 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09444; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:04:11 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200011020004.RAA09444@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: HLT To: seth@pengar.com (Seth Leigh) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:04:10 +0000 (GMT) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20001101185517.00c6def8@hobbiton.shire.net> from "Seth Leigh" at Nov 01, 2000 06:55:17 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ ... redirected to -chat ... ] > Someone write this down, so we don't forget. > > The environment *must* be one of Terry's hot buttons. > > Beware, lest you push it! No, my hot button is people claiming something is true "because everyone knows it", instead of because they know it themselves. Personally, I'm all for global warming, as it's been unseasonably cold in my area lately. I'm guessing that if we hadn't had an industrial revolution in the 1800's, we have already started into another ice age by now. Another example from the "environmental" faction is Oxygenated fuel. My car does not have fuel injection, it's carbuerated, and any car with injection manufactered since 1982 has an Oxygen sensor. What this means is that there's a narrow band of cars that pollute less with Oxygenated fuel, and all others not only get worse mileage, they pollute _more_ (just different levels of various pollutants). I used to have to go out of my way get fuel that wasn't Oxygenated in order to pass emissions in Pima county, Arizona. In the Bay area, you can only get Oxygenated fuel. My car still passes on it (they relaxed some pollutant level requirements to take the Oxygenation into effect, but it gets about 20% worse gas mileage on Oxygenated fuels, so I get to burn 20% more. Without them, my car does 64MPG on the highway, and pollutes less doing it. 8-p. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 1 16:48:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CC037B4D7 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:48:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22845; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:18:27 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:18:26 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Greg Black , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD in good standing in netcraft survey Cc: David Preece Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ Redirected to -chat ] On 02-Nov-00 Greg Black wrote: > David Preece writes: > > Possibly off topic, possibly not. Am I the only one who doesn't really care > > about uptimes? > I certainly am not impressed by uptimes over about 100 days. > They show that the site does not care about keeping current. if its not broken why fix it? :) > If it made sense to have several hundred days of uptime, what is > the point of all the development work done by the FreeBSD (and > other OS) developers? These people work hard to improve the > system and it makes sense to at least run the latest production > release. In the case of FreeBSD, this means a reboot at least > every three to four months when the CDs are released. I disagree, if it ain't broke don't upgrade it. Noone provides a guarantee that the newer code has a functionality superset of the old, and indeed the newer code sometimes has old driver chopped (for good reasons usually :) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 1 21:32:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.attica.net.nz (mail.attica.net.nz [202.180.64.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BEE037B4C5 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:32:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11701 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2000 05:32:45 -0000 Received: from 202-180-75-16.nas2.wn1.attica.net.nz (HELO davep200.afterswish.com) (202.180.75.16) by mail.attica.net.nz with SMTP; 2 Nov 2000 05:32:45 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.1.20001102155151.00a382b0@mail.afterswish.com> X-Sender: davep@mail.afterswish.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:57:16 +1300 To: "Michael C . Wu" From: David Preece Subject: Re: FreeBSD in good standing in netcraft survey Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20001101150807.A5972@peorth.iteration.net> References: <5.0.0.25.1.20001102095240.00a3a440@mail.afterswish.com> <5.0.0.25.1.20001102095240.00a3a440@mail.afterswish.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 15:08 1/11/00 -0600, you wrote: >[moved to -chat] > >On Thu, Nov 02, 2000 at 09:57:03AM +1300, David Preece scribbled: >| BTW, we didn't fare very well at all in the top *average* uptimes. Sun, > >Of course Sun would fare better in top average uptime. :) >PC servers don't get to have battery banks and generators Well, debateable, where do we draw the line between a UPS and a generator, and the same thing being inside the box? I do see your point though, it just makes me more aware of what a bogus number uptime is. >, nor >are they able to hotswap CPU's.... Well, no. But you can drop a cluster of them behind a load balancer and get an overall effect that's identical in all ways *apart* from actual uptime. In this configuration you can, of course, upgrade OS's without breaking service... They can hotswap processors? Blimey. Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 2 1:10:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9650837B4CF for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28453; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:10:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: David Preece Cc: "Michael C . Wu" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD in good standing in netcraft survey References: <5.0.0.25.1.20001102095240.00a3a440@mail.afterswish.com> <5.0.0.25.1.20001102095240.00a3a440@mail.afterswish.com> <5.0.0.25.1.20001102155151.00a382b0@mail.afterswish.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 02 Nov 2000 10:10:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: David Preece's message of "Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:57:16 +1300" Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Preece writes: > They can hotswap processors? Blimey. I heard a story once about a Sun Field Circus Engineer who tried to hotswap RAM. When the admin came screaming at him, he just said "but I thought that if I just switched them fast enough..." DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 2 1:32:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from citusc17.usc.edu (citusc17.usc.edu [128.125.38.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493C437B4C5 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc17.usc.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eA29Ymc23857; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:34:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:34:48 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Alex Belits Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Viruses are ok, but monkeys are becoming a problem Message-ID: <20001102013448.B23799@citusc17.usc.edu> References: <7B1EED0C5D58D411B73200508BDE77B204DD1A@exchangeb.aubi.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QTprm0S8XgL7H0Dt" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us on Thu, Nov 02, 2000 at 12:12:36AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --QTprm0S8XgL7H0Dt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Heh..I wondered what the 90-odd messages my procmail msgid filter weeded out were about: ####################################################### # KEEP AN 8K CACHE OF MESSAGE IDS AND FILTER DUPLICATES ####################################################### :0 Wh: msgid.lock | formail -D 8192 msgid.cache Kris --QTprm0S8XgL7H0Dt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjoBNTgACgkQWry0BWjoQKUpDgCeM1lebYcV3QE6cS48iA/jfBhB 4Q0Anir92o2HP/CKtDY2so83vP4rsPWS =vZM1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --QTprm0S8XgL7H0Dt-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 2 2: 5:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B834037B4D7; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 02:05:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eA21DUl19052; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:13:30 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:13:30 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Patrick Gardella Cc: Alexey Zelkin , developers@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposed Developers Alumni Chapter for Handbook Message-ID: <20001102011330.A19019@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200010290446.VAA31044@freefall.freebsd.org> <20001028235057.T20599@puck.firepipe.net> <39FD1836.12DCB979@newsguy.com> <20001030014737.U10767@puck.firepipe.net> <20001030104627.A94775@ark.cris.net> <39FF8859.B2DED3EB@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <39FF8859.B2DED3EB@freebsd.org>; from patrick@freebsd.org on Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 10:04:57PM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 10:04:57PM -0500, Patrick Gardella wrote: > I've put together the patches based on the "access" file (see below). > This can be a start for the list, but I doubt it is complete. It lists > eleven people who have had their commit bits removed, and the dates they > served, if I could find them. Patch looks fine. > I noticed that most of them still have entities in authors.ent, but they > are still pointed to freebsd.org addresses. Should we try to make an > effort to find these people and get current email addresses, or just > remove the addresses? If you can get current addresses, contact them, and ask if it's OK to list their new address. Otherwise, nix them. > And of course, if anyone knows of someone who is not on this list, let > me know, and I'll add them. The patches attached could be committed to > the handbook today (and once someone reviews them, I'll do so) and then > we can update it as we find people. I've verified they build properly. John Fieber. Last seen about 2 years ago disappearing in to Phd hell. If anyone knows how John's doing, please let me know. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 2 21:55:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.186.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB72C37B4D7 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from pitt.edu ("port 1179"@[136.142.20.177]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JW32A1M4DE005ZEQ@mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu> for chat@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:54:50 EST Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 00:58:05 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Subject: Used textbooks... To: chat@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <3A0253ED.478763B9@pitt.edu> Organization: University of Pittsburgh MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmm.. Today I found out that bigwords.com isn't going anymore. Just for reference, can anyone recommend a good place to buy used books? cheers, Pedro. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 3 0: 0:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (unknown [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA5B37B479; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30734; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:00:25 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:00:20 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Donn Miller , Yaroslav Halchinsky , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: REMINDER: 4.2 code freeze starts tomorrow! Message-ID: <20001103190012.C17894@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Kris Kennaway , Donn Miller , Yaroslav Halchinsky , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20001101205246.E83DD2FA0C@relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua> <20001101133749.A21810@citusc17.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20001101133749.A21810@citusc17.usc.edu>; from Kris Kennaway on Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 01:37:49PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 01:37:49PM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 03:58:24PM -0500, Donn Miller wrote: > > > 4:40 AM or thereabouts. I think we should have the 2AM thing moved to > > 4:01 AM, because a lot of people are still up and working at their > > computers at 2 AM. It's very inconvenient. (Man, I HATE that daily > > thing!) Oh NO!!!! > It's usually a signal to me that I need to go to bed now, because I > have to get up in the morning :-) And I sit around waiting for 2:30am so that I _can_ go to bed :-) Have a little mercy for those of us who are sleeping soundly at 4am beside a 386 with old SCSI rattlers. Sheesh, next thing someone will want to bring back the memory-scratching. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 4 15:49:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ptd.net (home2.ha-net.ptd.net [204.186.200.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C5BF637B479 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 15:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3714 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2000 23:44:40 -0000 Received: from mail1.ha-net.ptd.net (HELO mail.ptd.net) ([207.44.96.65]) (envelope-sender ) by home.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Nov 2000 23:44:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 26064 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2000 23:44:16 -0000 Received: from du102.cli.ptd.net (HELO mail.ptd.net) ([204.186.33.102]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Nov 2000 23:44:16 -0000 Message-ID: <3A049F18.EB82C6C6@mail.ptd.net> Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:43:20 -0500 From: "Thomas M. Sommers" Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Free X servers for Windows? References: <20001023132415.L16719@lpt.ens.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > Hi all: Are there any good free X servers available for Windows? > Any user experiences out there? If not, what are the good > commercial ones? This one used to be free, now they apparently want $25 for it: http://www.microimages.com/mix/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 4 17:12: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au (ha1.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au [203.164.2.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690C337B479 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from yoda ([203.164.47.45]) by mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001105011202.BODW10244.mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au@yoda>; Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:12:02 +1100 From: "Brent" To: "Thomas M. Sommers" , "Rahul Siddharthan" Cc: Subject: RE: Free X servers for Windows? Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:14:49 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3A049F18.EB82C6C6@mail.ptd.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been using starnets xwin32 for the last 4 years without any complaints, only problem is it isn't free, but they do offer demo versions http://www.starnet.com -- Brent > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Thomas M. Sommers > Sent: Sunday, 5 November 2000 10:43 > To: Rahul Siddharthan > Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Free X servers for Windows? > > > Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > > > Hi all: Are there any good free X servers available for Windows? > > Any user experiences out there? If not, what are the good > > commercial ones? > > This one used to be free, now they apparently want $25 for it: > > http://www.microimages.com/mix/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 4 17:28:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C579237B4C5 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 17:28:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08055; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:27:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001104182548.04abd4a0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:27:37 -0700 To: "Brent" , "Thomas M. Sommers" , "Rahul Siddharthan" From: Brett Glass Subject: RE: Free X servers for Windows? Cc: In-Reply-To: References: <3A049F18.EB82C6C6@mail.ptd.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The best one I've found myself is Hummingbird's. It seems to be faster at drawing and doesn't slow concurrently running Windows apps very much. It's not free, but is worth the price if you make heavy use of X. --Brett At 06:14 PM 11/4/2000, Brent wrote: >I've been using starnets xwin32 for the last 4 years without any complaints, >only problem is it isn't free, but they do offer demo versions > >http://www.starnet.com > >-- >Brent To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 4 18:45:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hand.dotat.at (sfo-gw.covalent.net [207.44.198.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBE837B4C5 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 18:45:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from fanf by hand.dotat.at with local (Exim 3.15 #3) id 13sFnz-000LZz-00; Sun, 05 Nov 2000 02:45:11 +0000 Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 02:45:10 +0000 From: Tony Finch To: Terry Lambert Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HLT Message-ID: <20001105024510.A82175@hand.dotat.at> References: <200011012119.eA1LJI433523@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <200011012249.PAA05692@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200011012249.PAA05692@usr08.primenet.com> Organization: Covalent Technologies, Inc Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert wrote: > >Someone should educate people on: > >1) The amount of energy it takes, in excess of what it > takes for a normal appliance, to manufacture an > "energy star" appliance. Why does it consume more energy to build a computer with variable-speed whatsits and power-off doodads than one without? I would expect the whatsits and doodats to be a trivial addition, especially since most devices already have standby-mode power supplies. Tony. -- en oeccget g mtcaa f.a.n.finch v spdlkishrhtewe y dot@dotat.at eatp o v eiti i d. fanf@covalent.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message