From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 17 2:25:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B007937B424; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 02:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA64766; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 02:25:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 02:25:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: committers@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Guidelines for new port version variables Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, This is a revised version of the original proposal document I sent to -ports, which describes what the two new package version variables are (PORTREVISION and PORTEPOCH) and how to use them. All committers who maintain a port, or who intend to commit changes to one should read this document and make an effort to use the new variables. Can one of the doc guys commit this to the porters handbook? Kris ==================================================================== FREEBSD PACKAGE VERSIONING CONVENTIONS 0) OVERVIEW Packages names are constructed according to the following system: ${PORTNAME}-${PORTVERSION}[_${PORTREVISION}][,${PORTEPOCH}] The older package naming system was simply ${PORTNAME}-${PORTVERSION} The meaning of the two variables PORTREVISION and PORTEPOCH and the rationale for their use are explained below. 1) PORTREVISION The PORTREVISION variable is a monotonically increasing value which is reset to 0 with every increase of PORTVERSION (i.e. every time a new official vendor release is made), and appended to the package name if non-zero. PORTREVISION is increased each time a change is made to the FreeBSD port which significantly affects the content or stucture of the derived package. Examples of when PORTREVISION should be bumped: * Addition of patches to correct security vulnerabilities, bugs, or to add new functionality to the FreeBSD port. * Changes to the port makefile to enable or disable compile-time options in the package. * Changes in the packing list or the install-time behaviour of the package (e.g. change to a script which generates initial data for the package, like ssh host keys). * Version bump of a port's shared library dependency (in this case, someone trying to install the old package after installing a newer version of the dependency will fail since it will look for the old libfoo.x instead of libfoo.(x+1)). * "Silent" changes to the port distfile which have significant functional differences, i.e. changes to the distfile requiring a correction to files/md5 with no corresponding change to PORTVERSION, where a diff -ruN of the old and new versions shows non-trivial changes to the code. Examples of changes which do not require a PORTREVISION bump: * Style changes to the port skeleton with no functional change to what appears in the resulting package. * Changes to MASTER_SITES or other functional changes to the port which do not effect the resulting package. * Trivial patches to the distfile such as correction of typos, which are not important enough that users of the package should go to the trouble of upgrading. * Build fixes which cause a package to become compilable where it was previously failing (as long as the changes do not introduce any functional change on any other platforms on which the port did previously build). Since PORTREVISION reflects the content of the package, if no package was previously buildable then there is no need to increase PORTREVISION to mark a change. A rule of thumb is to ask yourself whether a change committed to a port is something which someone, somewhere, would benefit from having (either because of an enhancement, fix, or by virtue that the new package will actually work for them). If yes, the PORTREVISION should be bumped so that automated tools (e.g. pkg_version) will hilight the fact that a new package is available. 2) PORTEPOCH From time to time a software vendor or FreeBSD porter will do something silly and release a version of their software which is actually numerically less than the previous version. An example of this is a port which goes from foo-20000801 to foo-1.0 (the former will be incorrectly treated as a newer version since 20000801 is a numerically greater value than 1). In situations such as this, the PORTEPOCH version should be increased. If PORTEPOCH is nonzero it is appended to the package name as described in section 0 above. PORTEPOCH is never decreased or reset to zero, because that would cause comparison to a package from an earlier epoch to fail (i.e. the package would not be detected as out of date): the new version number (e.g. "1.0,1" in the above example) is still numerically less than the previous version (2000801), but the ",1" suffix is treated specially by automated tools and found to be greater than the implied suffix ",0" on the earlier package) It is expected that PORTEPOCH will not be used for the majority of ports, and that sensible use of PORTVERSION can often pre-empt it becoming necessary if a future release of the software should change the version structure. However, care is needed by FreeBSD porters when a vendor release is made without an official version number - such as a code "snapshot" release. The temptation is to label the release with the release date, which will cause problems as in the example above when a new "official" release is made. For example, if a snapshot release is made on the date 20000917, and the previous version of the software was version 1.2, the snapshot release should be given a PORTVERSION of 1.2.20000917 or similar, not 20000917, so that the succeeding release, say 1.3, is still a numerically greater value. 3) EXAMPLE The gtkmumble port, version 0.10, is committed to the ports collection. PORTNAME= gtkmumble PORTVERSION= 0.10 PKGNAME becomes "gtkmumble-0.10" A security hole is discovered which requires a local FreeBSD patch. PORTREVISION is bumped accordingly. PORTNAME= gtkmumble PORTVERSIOn= 0.10 PORTREVISION= 1 PKGNAME becomes "gtkmumble-0.10_1" A new version is released by the vendor, numbered 0.2 (it turns out the author actually intended "0.10" to actually mean "0.1.0", not "what comes after 0.9" - oops, too late now). Since the new minor version "2" is numerically less than the previous version "10" the PORTEPOCH must be bumped to manually force the new package to be detected as "newer". Since it is a new vendor release of the code, PORTREVISION is reset to 0 (or removed from the makefile) PORTNAME= gtkmumble PORTVERSION= 0.2 PORTEPOCH= 1 PKGNAME becomes "gtkmumble-0.2,1" The next release is 0.3. Since PORTEPOCH never decreases, the version variables are now: PORTNAME= gtkmumble PORTVERSION= 0.3 PORTEPOCH= 1 PKGNAME becomes "gtkmumble-0.3,1" Note that if PORTEPOCH were reset to 0 with this upgrade, someone who had installed the gtkmumble-0.10_1 package would not detect the gtkmumble-0.3 package as newer, since "3" is still numerically less than "10". 4) BENEFITS There are three main benefits to a more granular naming scheme: * Finer control over external references to packages. For example, when a security fix is made to the port, and PORTREVISION is increased accordinging, the relevant security advisory can point unambigiously to the new package name, instead of referring vaguely to "packages dated after the correction date", which is ambiguous and error-prone. * The ability for end-users to tell when a significant change has been made to the FreeBSD version of a port, and to unambiguously detect newer versions of the package (the current version is error-prone due to the lack of PORTEPOCH) * It lays the foundation for future automated upgrade systems, which can rebuild complex dependency chains of packages when changes are made. -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 17 10:21: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hip4.hip-web.com (hip4.hip-web.com [216.173.203.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B36537B422 for ; 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Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ade@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA21280; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:28:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ade@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 10:28:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200009171728.KAA21280@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ade@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports/20647: make install in doc sources fails Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: make install in doc sources fails Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-ports->freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-By: ade Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Sep 17 10:28:28 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: This is a -doc issue, not -ports http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20647 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 17 18: 0:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.screaming.net (smtp.screaming.net [212.49.224.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C037137B423 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lexx.my.domain (dyn31-ras35.screaming.net [212.188.130.31]) by smtp.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA25990 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:03:42 GMT From: John Murphy To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: proposed addition to the FreeBSD handbook Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 02:00:21 +0100 Organization: The Organisation Reply-To: bigotfo@bigfoot.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Reluctantly posted here as grog@lemis.com calls me SPAM? There's a newish link from = http://www.uk.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to http://www.lemis.com/handbook/what-to-download.html which works for me ok, and yet links from there back to freebsd.org (presumably) link to lemis.com IYSWIM... I bet it's already fixed! Oh. I'm using ie5 by the way and there were'nt any images eg: http://www.lemis.com/handbook/ftp-index.gif was not displayed. and the mail link to grog@lemis.com bounced... IYL-YMMV HTH John. --=20 HTH John. FreeBSD: Free to use, free to = change. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 0:23: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.siliconlandmark.com (alpha.siliconlandmark.com [209.69.98.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34BF37B43C for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (andy@localhost) by alpha.siliconlandmark.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10601 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 03:21:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from andy@siliconlandmark.com) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 03:21:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Andre Guibert de Bruet To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Typographic error Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I think I've spotted a typo on: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/backups-tapebackups.html Here's the exact text from the page: The Exabyte ``Mammoth'' model supports 12GB on one tape (24MB with compression) and costs approximately twice as much as conventional tape drives. Shouldn't the compressed size be 24GB? Regards, Andre Guibert de Bruet - Silicon Landmark - http://siliconlandmark.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 1:10: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B344537B424 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA92757; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:10:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6119937B424 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18977; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:07:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Message-Id: <200009180807.KAA18977@lurza.secnetix.de> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:07:09 +0200 (CEST) From: olli@secnetix.de Reply-To: olli@secnetix.de To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/21342: Mailinglist freebsd-multimedia is missing in Handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 21342 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Mailinglist freebsd-multimedia is missing in Handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Sep 18 01:10:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Oliver Fromme >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 >Organization: secnetix GmbH & Co KG >Environment: Current version of the FreeBSD Handbook. >Description: Appendix C.1 contains a list of all public FreeBSD mailing lists. In this list, "freebsd-multimedia" is missing, even though it is very much alive. >How-To-Repeat: Look at Appendix C.1 of the Handbook and try to find the freebsd-multimedia list. :-) http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html >Fix: --- doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/eresources/chapter.sgml.orig Sun Sep 3 14:13:03 2000 +++ doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/eresources/chapter.sgml Mon Sep 18 10:03:41 2000 @@ -224,6 +224,11 @@ + freebsd-multimedia + Multimedia applications + + + freebsd-net Networking discussion and TCP/IP/source code >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 3:52:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from twingo.tiscalinet.it (twingo.tiscalinet.it [195.130.224.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9086437B423 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 03:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tiscalinet.it (195.130.224.151) by twingo.tiscalinet.it; 18 Sep 2000 12:47:58 +0200 Message-ID: <39c5f2de3a1a5857@twingo.tiscalinet.it> (added by twingo.tiscalinet.it) From: "d.benucci" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Importance: Normal X-Mailer: VisualMail 3.0 ( http://www.minter.com.ar/visualmail ) Subject: Dns docs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 03:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Where can I find the documentatio for setting up a DNS server on FreeBSD machine? Thanx -- TiscaliNet, libero accesso ad Internet. http://www.tiscalinet.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 6:31: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08B837B422; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jedgar@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id GAA54287; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:31:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedgar@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:31:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200009181331.GAA54287@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jedgar@FreeBSD.org, gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/21325: typo in german handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: typo in german handbook Responsible-Changed-From-To: gnats-admin->freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-By: jedgar Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Sep 18 06:30:32 PDT 2000 Responsible-Changed-Why: Misfiled PR http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=21325 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 10: 1:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B35F37B422; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from marko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA83049; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:01:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:01:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200009181701.KAA83049@freefall.freebsd.org> To: olli@secnetix.de, marko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/21342: Mailinglist freebsd-multimedia is missing in Handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Mailinglist freebsd-multimedia is missing in Handbook State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: marko State-Changed-When: Mon Sep 18 10:00:42 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed. Thanks!! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=21342 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 10: 5:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5F537B42C for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.253.90.68]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000918170555.TJTF13676.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:05:55 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8IH5iD01550; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:05:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:05:44 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Andre Guibert de Bruet Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Typographic error Message-ID: <20000918180544.D567@parish> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from andy@siliconlandmark.com on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 03:21:47AM -0400 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 03:21:47AM -0400, Andre Guibert de Bruet wrote: > Hi! > > I think I've spotted a typo on: > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/backups-tapebackups.html > > Here's the exact text from the page: > The Exabyte ``Mammoth'' model supports 12GB on one tape (24MB with > compression) and costs approximately twice as much as conventional tape > drives. > > Shouldn't the compressed size be 24GB? > I've fixed this now. thanks for pointing it out. > Regards, > > Andre Guibert de Bruet > - Silicon Landmark - > http://siliconlandmark.com/ > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 10:12:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E489437B423; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.253.90.68]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000918171212.TKNL13676.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:12:12 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8IHC7u02214; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:12:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:12:06 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: doc@freebsd.org, Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Plan to incorporate chapter 2 of the 4.4BSD book Message-ID: <20000918181206.E567@parish> References: <20000916141005.A1477@parish> <20742.969116993@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20742.969116993@axl.fw.uunet.co.za>; from sheldonh@uunet.co.za on Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 05:09:53PM +0200 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 05:09:53PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:10:05 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > Did this ever get resolved and added to the docs? I certainly can't > > find it. I found the copy that Sheldon put on his webpage on freefall > > but not in the docs (or even referenced from them). > > > > At this stage, I'm just waiting for document-specific image support, > which Nik hadn't yet completed the last time I checked. > http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/docproj-primer/x3030.html contains images, if that is what you are meaning. > Ciao, > Sheldon. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 10:32:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blizzard.sabbo.net (blizzard.sabbo.net [193.193.218.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E614937B42C; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vic.sabbo.net (root@vic.sabbo.net [193.193.218.109]) by blizzard.sabbo.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13472; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:32:35 +0300 (EEST) Received: from FreeBSD.org (big_brother.vega.com [192.168.1.1]) by vic.sabbo.net (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e8IHWbj56747; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:32:37 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <39C651B1.53ED6FBF@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:32:33 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: uk,ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: committers@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Guidelines for new port version variables References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kennaway wrote: > Hi all, > > This is a revised version of the original proposal document I sent to > -ports, which describes what the two new package version variables are > (PORTREVISION and PORTEPOCH) and how to use them. > > All committers who maintain a port, or who intend to commit changes to one > should read this document and make an effort to use the new variables. Can > one of the doc guys commit this to the porters handbook? > > Kris > > ==================================================================== > > FREEBSD PACKAGE VERSIONING CONVENTIONS > [Snip] Kris, Could you turn this writeup into Porter's Handbook chapter? It would be really better to do it that way. -Maxim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 10:33:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lists01.iafrica.com (lists01.iafrica.com [196.7.0.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CB337B423; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwl.fw.uunet.co.za ([196.31.2.162]) by lists01.iafrica.com with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 13b4nZ-0003Kn-00; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:33:45 +0200 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by nwl.fw.uunet.co.za (8.8.8/8.6.9) id TAA06744; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:33:41 +0200 (SAST) Received: by nwl.fw.uunet.co.za via recvmail id 6572; Mon Sep 18 19:32:32 2000 Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.fw.uunet.co.za) by axl.fw.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13b4mO-0007ja-00; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:32:32 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Mark Ovens Cc: doc@freebsd.org, Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Plan to incorporate chapter 2 of the 4.4BSD book In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:12:06 +0100." <20000918181206.E567@parish> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:32:32 +0200 Message-ID: <29733.969298352@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:12:06 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > At this stage, I'm just waiting for document-specific image support, > > which Nik hadn't yet completed the last time I checked. > > http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/docproj-primer/x3030.html contains > images, if that is what you are meaning. Read what I said again. You'll notice that I qualified the word images. :-) Ciao Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 10:40: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D74C737B423; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.255.96.19]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000918174002.RCGJ312.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:40:02 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8IHdlU02481; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:39:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:39:42 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: doc@freebsd.org, Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Plan to incorporate chapter 2 of the 4.4BSD book Message-ID: <20000918183942.H567@parish> References: <20000918181206.E567@parish> <29733.969298352@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <29733.969298352@axl.fw.uunet.co.za>; from sheldonh@uunet.co.za on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 07:32:32PM +0200 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 07:32:32PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:12:06 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > > At this stage, I'm just waiting for document-specific image support, > > > which Nik hadn't yet completed the last time I checked. > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/docproj-primer/x3030.html contains > > images, if that is what you are meaning. > > Read what I said again. You'll notice that I qualified the word images. > :-) > Not quite sure what you mean, but I guess it's to do the limitations that the publishers put on it's use; meaning that to has to be treated differently to our own docs? > Ciao > Sheldon. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 10:57:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lists01.iafrica.com (lists01.iafrica.com [196.7.0.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1965437B424; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwl.fw.uunet.co.za ([196.31.2.162]) by lists01.iafrica.com with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 13b5AC-0003WH-00; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:57:08 +0200 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by nwl.fw.uunet.co.za (8.8.8/8.6.9) id TAA09854; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:57:09 +0200 (SAST) Received: by nwl.fw.uunet.co.za via recvmail id 9829; Mon Sep 18 19:56:28 2000 Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.fw.uunet.co.za) by axl.fw.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13b59Y-0007nN-00; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:56:28 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Mark Ovens Cc: doc@freebsd.org, Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Plan to incorporate chapter 2 of the 4.4BSD book In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:39:42 +0100." <20000918183942.H567@parish> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:56:28 +0200 Message-ID: <29968.969299788@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:39:42 +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > Not quite sure what you mean, but I guess it's to do the limitations > that the publishers put on it's use; meaning that to has to be treated > differently to our own docs? Nik has implemented support for callouts. They're "library images". I want document-specific images. This isn't worth the noise. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 10:58:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667C937B422; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13b5BM-000Ju5-00; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:58:20 +0200 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:58:20 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Maxim Sobolev Cc: Kris Kennaway , committers@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Guidelines for new port version variables Message-ID: <20000918195819.A76435@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <39C651B1.53ED6FBF@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <39C651B1.53ED6FBF@FreeBSD.org>; from sobomax@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 08:32:33PM +0300 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon 2000-09-18 (20:32), Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > All committers who maintain a port, or who intend to commit changes to one > > should read this document and make an effort to use the new variables. Can > > one of the doc guys commit this to the porters handbook? ^^^^ - he suggested it. > > > > FREEBSD PACKAGE VERSIONING CONVENTIONS > > [Snip] > > Could you turn this writeup into Porter's Handbook chapter? It would be really > better to do it that way. If someone can remind me tomorrow (ie, 12-20 hours from now), I'll be likely to be able to finish it tomorrow. Otherwise it'll languish in my queue. (: (says he, adding it to his new shiny Zope queue, and hoping he checks it tomorrow) Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 11: 0:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A86B37B43C for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA97083 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:00:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009181800.LAA97083@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2000/07/23] docs/20117 doc *printf manpage doesn't document %n o [2000/08/16] ports/20647 doc make install in doc sources fails o [2000/08/28] docs/20919 doc bug in INSTALL.TXT o [2000/09/13] docs/21254 doc [PATCH] In install/chapter.sgml, explain 5 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a [1998/07/31] docs/7456 doc dialog(3) man page outdated o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi o [1999/09/25] docs/13950 doc webpage idea o [1999/09/25] docs/13967 doc FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea o [1999/10/06] docs/14158 doc md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a o [1999/10/27] docs/14565 doc ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp o [2000/02/20] docs/16843 doc Knob for release/Makefile to prevent dele o [2000/03/18] docs/17470 doc Missing man page: pthread_yield f [2000/03/20] docs/17521 doc Proposed FAQ on assembly programming o [2000/03/25] docs/17598 doc installworld over NFS documentation no lo o [2000/04/03] kern/17774 doc stray irq7 o [2000/05/03] docs/18379 doc Information on SSH hard to find in Handbo o [2000/05/19] docs/18674 doc ntptime.htm and ntptime.8 o [2000/06/05] docs/19010 doc Bad144 obsoletion by 4.0 is undocumented; o [2000/06/23] docs/19481 doc Serial Communications chapter in Handbook o [2000/07/10] docs/19818 doc /usr/share/man/man8/sysinstall.8 missing o [2000/07/17] docs/19981 doc Indonesian translations o [2000/07/17] docs/19995 doc keymap(5) missing from manual in 3.4-RELE o [2000/07/20] docs/20067 doc src/sbin/nologin/nologin.5 is bad place o [2000/07/30] docs/20298 doc man 5 keymap missing in 4.1 (Stable) o [2000/08/02] docs/20369 doc [patch] mountd.8 missing cross-references o [2000/08/04] docs/20400 doc Building a kernel with debugging info sec o [2000/08/06] docs/20447 doc forcing NFS exports to be updated o [2000/08/07] docs/20477 doc Document syslogd's special treatment of k o [2000/08/10] docs/20528 doc sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix. o [2000/08/20] docs/20738 doc correction and modification to clocks(7) o [2000/08/23] docs/20794 doc Request 2 good documents under people.fre o [2000/09/02] docs/21005 doc burncd.sh is obsolete o [2000/09/05] docs/21057 doc Little correction of hier(8) o [2000/09/11] docs/21215 doc ".It" macro is missed from termio.4 o [2000/09/17] docs/21325 doc typo in german handbook 31 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 11: 5: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527B137B423; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA99253; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:05:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Maxim Sobolev Cc: committers@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Guidelines for new port version variables In-Reply-To: <39C651B1.53ED6FBF@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > Could you turn this writeup into Porter's Handbook chapter? It would > be really better to do it that way. Well, not without a bit of effort getting the markup right. Thats why I cc'ed it to -doc. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 13: 4: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from zmamail05.zma.compaq.com (zmamail05.zma.compaq.com [161.114.64.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A42C37B423 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by zmamail05.zma.compaq.com (Postfix, from userid 12345) id C1D7F2B68; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pobox1.pa.dec.com (pobox1.pa.dec.com [16.1.240.19]) by zmamail05.zma.compaq.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 179F92940; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wera.pa.dec.com by pobox1.pa.dec.com (5.65v3.2/1.1.10.5/07Nov97-1157AM) id AA08211; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:04:01 -0700 Received: by wera.pa.dec.com; (8.8.8/1.1.8.2/06Jun96-0357PM) id NAA32362; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:04:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan Larson Message-Id: <200009182004.NAA32362@wera.pa.dec.com> To: andrew@cream.org, larson@pa.dec.com Subject: RE: serial communications Cc: doc@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think I have. Let me write it up and send it on in a day or so. Alan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 13:28:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1C437B423; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.253.86.122]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000918202800.UQOD13676.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:28:00 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8IKS0H03216; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:28:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:28:00 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: doc@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org Subject: An opportunity for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000918212800.L567@parish> Reply-To: doc@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Some time ago Andrew Boothman produced a couple of perl scripts to collate all the documentation for ports/packages installed on a machine and produce an HTML index file of it. It was suggested that this could be extended to become part of the ports/packages mechanism so that the index was automatically updated whenever a port/package was installed or uninstalled. This got a rather cool reception from the ports people (after all, no-one gets excited about having even more work to do :)). I recently picked up this project, partly because I think it's a good idea, and partly because it provides a good vehicle for me to use to learn perl(1). Nik Clayton told me about a similar project that was starting up: "There's another angle I think that's worth investigating. At the O'Reilly docs summit a couple of months back, representatives from the GNOME, KDE, and Linux documentation projects were all looking at the similar problem of getting apps to register their documentation, and also to try and provide an interface over and above simple HTML." I fired off an e-mail to a couple of contacts Nik gave me, one of the replies I got is included at the end of this mail. As you can see the project is only just getting started and as yet no code has been produced. Currently the webpage mentioned in the e-mail has been taken down as they discovered that the name "Dewey" (from the Dewey-decimel system used for cataloguing by libraries) was trade-marked. The project is looking for a new name. I believe that it would be a Good Thing (TM) for FreeBSD to join this project for several reasons: 1. We really should have a mechanism for indexing the docs installed by the ports/packages. 2. By adopting Dewey (or whatever it becomes known as) rather than developing our own system we will reduce the work involved in implementation and maintenance. 3. It will help raise the visibility of FreeBSD in a predominately Linux environment. If we get involved now, at the outset, we will have a say in the design and development of the system (i.e. prevent it becoming overly Linux-specific) and get FreeBSD-specifics in the base source code. As you might expect, this is going to be GPL'd (down Brett, down boy ;)) but I doubt that we will change that, however it would become an Open Source project, rather than a Linux project (that FreeBSD may possibly adopt in the future). As to the additional work that this will make for port maintainers if Dewey is adopted will be considerably less than using our own system. For larger ports whose projects support Dewey, e.g. KDE, GNOME, etc., there should be no work at all as the meta-data will be in the source tar-balls and for ports without the meta-data included we should be able to automate its generation (although some hand tweaking may be necessary). Furthermore, this extra work is likely to be a one-off occurrence since document files are rarely added/removed/renamed, only the content is changed. The only other areas where work will be needed is for bsd.port.mk(?) to be modified to call Dewey as part of the install target (I expect that Dewey will be able to determine if the port has any docs to register). pkg_add(1) will also need modifying to do the same thing when installing packages and pkg_delete(1) to call Dewey to de-register the docs when a port/package is uninstalled. I have subscribed to the mailing list (which is rather quiet at the moment, but should liven up once code is available) and would like to be able to announce that FreeBSD is "officially" supporting the project (which means a committment to adopting Dewey for the ports/packages when it reaches production quality). I am willing to act as co-ordinator for this and will attempt to do most of the work. I also intend to lobby the {Net,Open}BSD docs people to support Dewey. If all three projects get involved it will, IMHO, give *BSD a big presence (and influence) in a Linux project. Please honour the Reply-To: so we just get one thread, in -doc. ----- begin included message from Dan Mueth ---- We are trying to solve this problem with Dewey (http://dewey.sourceforge.net/). Here's the basic idea: Each document is accompanied by a 16-element OMF metadata description describing the document (title, author, language, subject, description, license, ...). Generally, this can be an external XML file or else built directly into DocBook/XML files. After both the doc and metadata file are installed, a command is sent to dewey which tells it to register the document. Dewey keeps track of where the document and its metadata are stored, as well as doing a few nice things like registering it in a subject-sorted Contents List and yanking out the TOC(table of contents) for DocBook docs. This info is stored in XML files. Then, the help browser can ask Dewey for paths to particular information, like the Contents List or the TOC for a particular doc, or to do simple searches on document metadata (eg. "all documents with 'GIMP' in the subject or title"). Note that this system also allows one to store metadata for documents which are not local to the particular machines. Further, in future versions, Dewey will be able to exchange information with servers on the Net which function as giant electronic card catalogs, storing and searching the metadata but not necessarily the documents themselves. If you are interested, join the mailing list from the URL above. A couple of us are also on IRC a lot at #dewey on irc.openprojects.net. We don't have much code yet, but we've made some progress on figuring out how we'll do the 0.1 version and should have more code very soon. We are hoping to have a basic functional system within a few weeks. Dan ------ end included message ------- -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 14:46:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0B4137B423; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from du-012-0203.freeuk.com ([212.126.155.203] helo=cream.org) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13b8jy-0002Wf-00; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:46:18 +0100 Content-Length: 336 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000918195819.A76435@mithrandr.moria.org> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:46:17 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Boothman To: Neil Blakey-Milner Subject: Re: Guidelines for new port version variables Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, committers@FreeBSD.org, Kris Kennaway , Maxim Sobolev Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 18-Sep-00 Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > If someone can remind me tomorrow (ie, 12-20 hours from now), I'll be > likely to be able to finish it tomorrow. Otherwise it'll languish in my > queue. (: I'll give it a go, Neil, if you'd prefer to be working on something else. --- Andrew Boothman http://sour.cream.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 15:17: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9854237B423; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from du-012-0203.freeuk.com ([212.126.155.203] helo=cream.org) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13b9Di-0003G5-00; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:17:02 +0100 Content-Length: 1466 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000918212800.L567@parish> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:17:02 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Boothman To: Mark Ovens Subject: RE: An opportunity for FreeBSD Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 18-Sep-00 Mark Ovens wrote: > I fired off an e-mail to a couple of contacts Nik gave me, one of the > replies I got is included at the end of this mail. As you can see the > project is only just getting started and as yet no code has been > produced. Currently the webpage mentioned in the e-mail has been taken > down as they discovered that the name "Dewey" (from the Dewey-decimel > system used for cataloguing by libraries) was trade-marked. The > project is looking for a new name. Now called "ScrollKeeper", it would appear. http://scrollkeeper.sourceforge.net From what you've said, and from what information is available on their web site, this certainly sounds like a project worth getting involved in. > I have subscribed to the mailing list (which is rather quiet at the > moment, but should liven up once code is available) and would like to > be able to announce that FreeBSD is "officially" supporting the > project (which means a committment to adopting Dewey for the > ports/packages when it reaches production quality). I am willing to > act as co-ordinator for this and will attempt to do most of the work. Great. I've also subscribed to their list, just so I can stay in the loop and offer up any help where I feel I can. With regard to "officially" deciding to support the project, I guess after sufficent discussion Nik and Satoshi could a rubber-stamp our final decision. --- Andrew Boothman http://sour.cream.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 15:46:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F08B37B423; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from du-012-0203.freeuk.com ([212.126.155.203] helo=cream.org) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13b9gN-0003vK-00; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:46:39 +0100 Content-Length: 752 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:46:39 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Boothman To: marko@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: An opportunity for FreeBSD Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 18-Sep-00 Andrew Boothman wrote: > From what you've said, and from what information is available on their web > site, this certainly sounds like a project worth getting involved in. After a bit more reading, it seems that ScrollKeeper is really just tools written to support data written according to a specification called OMF (Open Source Metadata Framework). More about which can be read on http://www.ibiblio.org/osrt/omf/ the most interesting part of which is their list of elements which details the information which is stored in OMF and can be read on http://www.ibiblio.org/osrt/omf/omf_elements and gives a good idea of the sort of information we could store in this system. --- Andrew Boothman http://sour.cream.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 16: 0:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5134F37B422; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from marko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id QAA63881; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:00:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:00:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200009182300.QAA63881@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mihara@prd.fc.nec.co.jp, marko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/21215: ".It" macro is missed from termio.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: ".It" macro is missed from termio.4 State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: marko State-Changed-When: Mon Sep 18 16:00:21 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed. Thanks!! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=21215 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 16:47:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669AE37B422; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.255.97.77]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000918234737.VUJK13676.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:47:37 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8INlhP04150; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:47:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:47:37 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: doc@freebsd.org, Salvo Bartolotta Subject: Re: docs/21057: Little correction of hier(8) Message-ID: <20000919004737.B3924@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 08:56:17 GMT, Salvo Bartolotta wrote: > Dear FreeBSD doc'ers, > > In my quest for the Holy Grail, ahem, for the origin of the /usr > "acronym", I received the following letter from Chris Coleman: > > --------------------- Forwarded Message ------------------------- > > At the moment, I cannot recall where I got that tid bit of > information. Regardless of whether it originally stood for "user" or > not, calling it "User" would confuse new users.. Currently, the Unix > System Resources live there and that is what it should be called. > (IMHO) > > I may be alone in this definition, but that definition is at least 4 > years old. I never questioned it. (Although, I may not be alone, > because I have been propigating that definition for the last 3-4 > years.) > > I found this definition in my searching, which may be more correct. > > Mount point for sharable user commands, libraries, and documentation. > http://www.kelley.iu.edu/shyu/hpguide.html#files > > Still, I'd prefer to keep using the Unix System Resources as a good > acronym to help people remember and distinguish between "user" files > and "system" files. > > Feel Free to forward this to -doc if it helps any. I prefer Unix System Resources as well, however, in The Unix Programming Environment by Kernighan & Pike (1984) I find: p22: "On many systems, /usr is a directory that contains the directories of all the users of the system." p48: "/usr is often the top directory of the user filesystem (user is abbreviated to usr in the same spirit as cmp, ls, etc.)." p64 (Table 2.1): /usr user file system p65: "/usr is called the `user file system', although it may have little to do with the actual users of the system." So, what is the correct answer? Should I commit this PR, or just close it. It shouldn't be left lying around. > Chris Coleman > Daemon News > http://www.daemonnews.org > Bringing BSD together > ------------------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------- > Best regards, > Salvo -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 16:50: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFEE437B423 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id QAA72214; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009182350.QAA72214@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Mark Ovens Subject: Re: docs/21057: Little correction of hier(8) Reply-To: Mark Ovens Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/21057; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Mark Ovens To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: doc@freebsd.org, Salvo Bartolotta Subject: Re: docs/21057: Little correction of hier(8) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:47:37 +0100 On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 08:56:17 GMT, Salvo Bartolotta wrote: > Dear FreeBSD doc'ers, > > In my quest for the Holy Grail, ahem, for the origin of the /usr > "acronym", I received the following letter from Chris Coleman: > > --------------------- Forwarded Message ------------------------- > > At the moment, I cannot recall where I got that tid bit of > information. Regardless of whether it originally stood for "user" or > not, calling it "User" would confuse new users.. Currently, the Unix > System Resources live there and that is what it should be called. > (IMHO) > > I may be alone in this definition, but that definition is at least 4 > years old. I never questioned it. (Although, I may not be alone, > because I have been propigating that definition for the last 3-4 > years.) > > I found this definition in my searching, which may be more correct. > > Mount point for sharable user commands, libraries, and documentation. > http://www.kelley.iu.edu/shyu/hpguide.html#files > > Still, I'd prefer to keep using the Unix System Resources as a good > acronym to help people remember and distinguish between "user" files > and "system" files. > > Feel Free to forward this to -doc if it helps any. I prefer Unix System Resources as well, however, in The Unix Programming Environment by Kernighan & Pike (1984) I find: p22: "On many systems, /usr is a directory that contains the directories of all the users of the system." p48: "/usr is often the top directory of the user filesystem (user is abbreviated to usr in the same spirit as cmp, ls, etc.)." p64 (Table 2.1): /usr user file system p65: "/usr is called the `user file system', although it may have little to do with the actual users of the system." So, what is the correct answer? Should I commit this PR, or just close it. It shouldn't be left lying around. > Chris Coleman > Daemon News > http://www.daemonnews.org > Bringing BSD together > ------------------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------- > Best regards, > Salvo -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 18: 7: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sr-71.defcon1.org (sr-71.defcon1.org [199.3.90.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309E337B424 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duh (ghostrdr.defcon1.org [10.0.0.4]) by sr-71.defcon1.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA04975 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:54:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ghostrdr@defcon1.org) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000918200548.067eb200@defcon1.org> X-Sender: ghostrdr@defcon1.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:05:48 -0500 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org From: GhostRdr Subject: www.defcon1.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello, Wanted to drop you a note, and was wondering who I needed to speak with on getting www.defcon1.org listed as a FreeBSD Help Site ? This page is mainly a Support Page for FreeBSD, and we also run the channel #freebsdhelp on Efnet. If Ive sent this to the wrong person, could you please point me in the right direction. Thanks Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 18 18:57: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from envy.geekhouse.net (envy.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4B637B423 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jim@localhost) by envy.geekhouse.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8J1unw02063; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:56:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:56:49 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: GhostRdr Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: www.defcon1.org Message-ID: <20000918185649.A2024@envy.geekhouse.net> Reply-To: jim@lust.geekhouse.net References: <3.0.3.32.20000918200548.067eb200@defcon1.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000918200548.067eb200@defcon1.org>; from ghostrdr@defcon1.org on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 08:05:48PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 at 20:05:48 -0500, GhostRdr wrote: > hello, > > Wanted to drop you a note, and was wondering who I needed to speak > with on getting www.defcon1.org listed as a FreeBSD Help Site ? This > page is mainly a Support Page for FreeBSD, and we also run the channel > #freebsdhelp on Efnet. If Ive sent this to the wrong person, could > you please point me in the right direction. Where do you want to be listed, and what do you want there? There are a few different places I can think of, so I'm curious as to where you're talking about. - jim -- jim mock work: jim@osd.bsdi.com | jim@FreeBSD.org http://soupnazi.org/ BSDi Open Source Div | http://bsdi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 2:28:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94ACD37B423; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8J93Am07789; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:03:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:03:08 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Andrew Boothman , ports@freebsd.org Cc: Mark Ovens , doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Scrollkeeper (was Re: An opportunity for FreeBSD) Message-ID: <20000919100308.A2019@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Reply-To: doc@freebsd.org References: <20000918212800.L567@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from andrew@cream.org on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 11:17:02PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi chaps, I've added -ports in to this discussion, but reply-to is set back to -doc. Long quote kept for context. On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 11:17:02PM +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote: > On 18-Sep-00 Mark Ovens wrote: > > I fired off an e-mail to a couple of contacts Nik gave me, one of the > > replies I got is included at the end of this mail. As you can see the > > project is only just getting started and as yet no code has been > > produced. Currently the webpage mentioned in the e-mail has been taken > > down as they discovered that the name "Dewey" (from the Dewey-decimel > > system used for cataloguing by libraries) was trade-marked. The > > project is looking for a new name. > > Now called "ScrollKeeper", it would appear. > http://scrollkeeper.sourceforge.net > > >From what you've said, and from what information is available on their web > site, this certainly sounds like a project worth getting involved in. > > > I have subscribed to the mailing list (which is rather quiet at the > > moment, but should liven up once code is available) and would like to > > be able to announce that FreeBSD is "officially" supporting the > > project (which means a committment to adopting Dewey for the > > ports/packages when it reaches production quality). I am willing to > > act as co-ordinator for this and will attempt to do most of the work. > > Great. I've also subscribed to their list, just so I can stay in the loop and > offer up any help where I feel I can. > > With regard to "officially" deciding to support the project, I guess after > sufficent discussion Nik and Satoshi could a rubber-stamp our final decision. For the record, I'm fully in support of this, up to and including making sure that our documentation set is categorised using it. For those of you reading this on the -ports list I think this is an effort we need to support -- at the very least by making it possible (note: *not* mandatory) for our ports to 'install' this metadata where appropriate. If any interested parties would like to meet up at BSDCon to discuss this then let me know. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 3:24:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from venus.virtual-earth.de (venus.virtual-earth.de [62.208.47.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4200737B422; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 03:24:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from virtual-earth.de (venus.virtual-earth.de [127.0.0.1]) by venus.virtual-earth.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA39057; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:24:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mathiasp@virtual-earth.de) Message-Id: <200009191024.MAA39057@venus.virtual-earth.de> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:24:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Mathias.Picker@virtual-earth.de Subject: Re: Scrollkeeper (was Re: An opportunity for FreeBSD) To: doc@freebsd.org, ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20000919100308.A2019@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, this slashdot thread (http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/00/09/18/2230256.shtml) brings me to the question if it might be beneficial if scrollkeeper could also be used to describe / catalogue the software, not only the documentation about it. Long quote still kept for context... On 19 Sep, Nik Clayton wrote: > Hi chaps, > > I've added -ports in to this discussion, but reply-to is set back to > -doc. > > Long quote kept for context. > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 11:17:02PM +0100, Andrew Boothman wrote: >> On 18-Sep-00 Mark Ovens wrote: >> > I fired off an e-mail to a couple of contacts Nik gave me, one of >> > the replies I got is included at the end of this mail. As you can >> > see the project is only just getting started and as yet no code has >> > been produced. Currently the webpage mentioned in the e-mail has >> > been taken down as they discovered that the name "Dewey" (from the >> > Dewey-decimel system used for cataloguing by libraries) was >> > trade-marked. The project is looking for a new name. >> >> Now called "ScrollKeeper", it would appear. >> http://scrollkeeper.sourceforge.net >> >> >From what you've said, and from what information is available on >> >their web >> site, this certainly sounds like a project worth getting involved in. >> >> > I have subscribed to the mailing list (which is rather quiet at the >> > moment, but should liven up once code is available) and would like >> > to be able to announce that FreeBSD is "officially" supporting the >> > project (which means a committment to adopting Dewey for the >> > ports/packages when it reaches production quality). I am willing to >> > act as co-ordinator for this and will attempt to do most of the >> > work. >> >> Great. I've also subscribed to their list, just so I can stay in the >> loop and offer up any help where I feel I can. >> >> With regard to "officially" deciding to support the project, I guess >> after sufficent discussion Nik and Satoshi could a rubber-stamp our >> final decision. > > For the record, I'm fully in support of this, up to and including > making sure that our documentation set is categorised using it. For > those of you reading this on the -ports list I think this is an effort > we need to support -- at the very least by making it possible (note: > *not* mandatory) for our ports to 'install' this metadata where > appropriate. > > If any interested parties would like to meet up at BSDCon to discuss > this then let me know. > > N -- virtual earth Mathias Picker Geschäftsführer Gesellschaft für Wissens re/prä sentation mbH Mathias.Picker@virtual-earth.de Fon +49 89 / 540 7425-1 Fax +49 89 / 540 7425-9 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 3:28:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from radon.gryphonsoft.com (mcut-b-167.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.209.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FEF37B422 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 03:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by radon.gryphonsoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6C90A192C; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:24:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:24:29 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: An opportunity for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000919052429.W35550@radon.gryphonsoft.com> Reply-To: Will Andrews References: <20000918212800.L567@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20000918212800.L567@parish>; from marko@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 09:28:00PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 09:28:00PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > "There's another angle I think that's worth investigating. At the > O'Reilly docs summit a couple of months back, representatives from > the GNOME, KDE, and Linux documentation projects were all looking > at the similar problem of getting apps to register their > documentation, and also to try and provide an interface over and > above simple HTML." What WOULD be nice is if there was a real standard for metadata across all open source projects. Unfortunately, most OS projects don't include a packaging list (like our pkg/PLISTs) that we could use. If they did, a very significant number of problems with generating packages would be solved (WRT FreeBSD ports, I have no idea how deb or rpm does it), since we could then depend on a certain project's distribution PLISTs instead of generating our own. [ wrote this part hastily without reading the entire message.. ] Unfortunately, I don't know of any forum where everyone interested in this sort of metadata is involved in discussions (this would need to include developers from a large number of major projects, including FreeBSD, Debian, RedHat, OpenBSD, NetBSD, KDE, GNOME, GNUCash, Postgres, and so on, in order to reach a community-wide agreement). So there is no standard at the moment. I know of a KDE project (of which I am a developer, but currently inactive) where we take kdevelop .spec files and generate rpm's. Apparently the spec files contain enough information generate FreeBSD ports too, which is why I joined the project. It's called kpp (http://sourceforge.net/projects/kpp). It's kinda inactive right now... [ ..blah.. ] > I believe that it would be a Good Thing (TM) for FreeBSD to join this > project for several reasons: > > 1. We really should have a mechanism for indexing the docs > installed by the ports/packages. > > 2. By adopting Dewey (or whatever it becomes known as) rather > than developing our own system we will reduce the work involved > in implementation and maintenance. > > 3. It will help raise the visibility of FreeBSD in a predominately > Linux environment. I agree with all of the above. > If we get involved now, at the outset, we will have a say in the > design and development of the system (i.e. prevent it becoming overly > Linux-specific) and get FreeBSD-specifics in the base source code. As > you might expect, this is going to be GPL'd (down Brett, down boy ;)) > but I doubt that we will change that, however it would become an Open > Source project, rather than a Linux project (that FreeBSD may possibly > adopt in the future). Yes, absolutely. I would be interested in this project (please ignore my first paragraph or two), where do I sign up?!???! [ later..: oh yeah, but #dewey on irc.openprojects.net is empty. guess dewey.sourceforge.net will have to do.. ] > As to the additional work that this will make for port maintainers if > Dewey is adopted will be considerably less than using our own system. > For larger ports whose projects support Dewey, e.g. KDE, GNOME, etc., > there should be no work at all as the meta-data will be in the source > tar-balls and for ports without the meta-data included we should be > able to automate its generation (although some hand tweaking may be > necessary). Exactly. This is one thing I've always thought OS projects missed out. Of course, it'll be a pain in the ass to update a file like this in CVS all the time, but even more so for the various projects around the place trying to make packages for their systems. But that's another story and should be discussed someplace else (like openpackages :-). > The only other areas where work will be needed is for bsd.port.mk(?) > to be modified to call Dewey as part of the install target (I expect > that Dewey will be able to determine if the port has any docs to > register). pkg_add(1) will also need modifying to do the same thing > when installing packages and pkg_delete(1) to call Dewey to > de-register the docs when a port/package is uninstalled. Let's not get too hasty here. I don't see this sort of thing being adopted by OS projects everywhere for at least a few months, so by the time an agreement on a standard is reached, we may have already obsoleted the current bsd.port.mk in FreeBSD (see openpkgs). > I have subscribed to the mailing list (which is rather quiet at the > moment, but should liven up once code is available) and would like to > be able to announce that FreeBSD is "officially" supporting the > project (which means a committment to adopting Dewey for the > ports/packages when it reaches production quality). I am willing to > act as co-ordinator for this and will attempt to do most of the work. I will offer my support as one of the most active ports team members. > I also intend to lobby the {Net,Open}BSD docs people to support Dewey. > If all three projects get involved it will, IMHO, give *BSD a big > presence (and influence) in a Linux project. Yes, of course. What would be even better is if Linux and other OSs joined the openpackages effort too, because that need not be limited to BSD groups. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+ a--- C++ UB++++$ P+ L- E--- W+ N-- !o ?K w--- O- M+ V- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X+ R+ tv+ b++ DI+++ D+ G++ e>++++ h! r- y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 3:32:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from radon.gryphonsoft.com (mcut-b-167.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.209.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A179837B423 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 03:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by radon.gryphonsoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C4E511A25; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:28:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:28:15 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: Mathias.Picker@virtual-earth.de Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Scrollkeeper (was Re: An opportunity for FreeBSD) Message-ID: <20000919052815.X35550@radon.gryphonsoft.com> Reply-To: Will Andrews References: <20000919100308.A2019@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <200009191024.MAA39057@venus.virtual-earth.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200009191024.MAA39057@venus.virtual-earth.de>; from Mathias.Picker@virtual-earth.de on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 12:24:13PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 12:24:13PM +0200, Mathias.Picker@virtual-earth.de wrote: > Well, this slashdot thread > (http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/00/09/18/2230256.shtml) brings me to > the question if it might be beneficial if scrollkeeper could also be > used to describe / catalogue the software, not only the documentation > about it. Sure. But this metadata format should hold as much information as is useful about a project. But in any case, discussions about the metadata itself should take place on scrollkeeper-devel@lists.sourceforge.net (see http://scrollkeeper.sourceforge.net/). -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+ a--- C++ UB++++$ P+ L- E--- W+ N-- !o ?K w--- O- M+ V- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X+ R+ tv+ b++ DI+++ D+ G++ e>++++ h! r- y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 6:40: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502E437B43C for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id GAA28813; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id E125237B422; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20000919133133.E125237B422@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:31:33 -0700 (PDT) From: dpelleg+bsd@cs.cmu.edu To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/21399: Handbook DHCP section doesn't mention bpf Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 21399 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Handbook DHCP section doesn't mention bpf >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Sep 19 06:40:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Dan Pelleg >Release: 4.1 >Organization: Carnegie Mellon University >Environment: >Description: The DHCP chapter in the handbook fails to say you'll need bpf compiled into your kernel. If you simply follow the instructions in it (like I did), it won't work. Not until you rebuild the kernel, that is. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Add a note to the DHCP chapter of the handbook. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 6:46:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx3out.umbc.edu (mx3out.umbc.edu [130.85.253.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8296037B423; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gl.umbc.edu (IDENT:root@linux1.gl.umbc.edu [130.85.60.38]) by mx3out.umbc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15030; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (vdidov1@localhost) by gl.umbc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10704; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:46:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: linux1.gl.umbc.edu: vdidov1 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:46:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Victor To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: unfurl@FreeBSD.org Subject: Handbook -> Security -> DES,MD5,Crypt Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I was reading the part of the handbook you updated (DES, MD5, and Crypt) and wanted to ask/provide you with some updates. Perhaps adding a section called 8.4.2 would help others as well 1. How do you switch a password from des to md5? I was told on newsgroups to just add $1$ to a user password and then use passwd command to set the password again. This way the new password will be md5. I believe this information might be useful to others (it was for me). 2. How do you set so that the system treats all new passwords as md5 (by default)? I set the auth.conf line to this: auth_default = md5 However the new passwords were still des style. Is there a way to make sure all new passwords are md5? I was also thinking one might relink the libs to libscrypt, but that would then cause problems if some users still have des passwords. Could answers to these questions be added to the handbook? I would also appreciate if you sent me a solution to my second problem (if you know one). I know that DES has been broken. how secure is MD5 and are there other algorithms that can be used? (maybe we should check what openbsd uses :) Thank you very much Victor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 7:48:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blizzard.sabbo.net (blizzard.sabbo.net [193.193.218.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415D137B423; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vic.sabbo.net (root@vic.sabbo.net [193.193.218.109]) by blizzard.sabbo.net (8.9.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05369; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:48:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from FreeBSD.org (big_brother.vega.com [192.168.1.1]) by vic.sabbo.net (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e8JEmMS05330; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:48:22 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <39C77CA9.8AED84CA@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:48:09 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: uk,ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org, ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Porter's Handbook patch Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------AE7302D1A9E4EF4E25D5C3B5" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AE7302D1A9E4EF4E25D5C3B5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear -doc and -ports people, Please review attached patch, which intended to replace outdated ldconfig-related chapter in Porter's Handbook with one matching reality (INSTALLS_SHLIB). -Maxim --------------AE7302D1A9E4EF4E25D5C3B5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=koi8-r; name="ph.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="ph.diff" Index: book.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/porters-handbook/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.121 diff -d -u -r1.121 book.sgml --- book.sgml 2000/09/17 19:52:35 1.121 +++ book.sgml 2000/09/19 14:45:32 @@ -1089,39 +1089,46 @@ There are some more things you have to take into account when you create a port. This section explains the most common of those. - - <command>ldconfig</command> - - If your port installs a shared library, add a - post-install target to your - Makefile that runs ${LDCONFIG} - -m on the directory where the new library is installed - (usually PREFIX/lib) to - register it into the shared library cache. + + Shared Libraries - Also, add a matching @exec /sbin/ldconfig -m - and @unexec /sbin/ldconfig -R pair to your - pkg/PLIST file so that a user who installed the - package can start using the shared library immediately and + If your port installs a shared library(ies), define a + INSTALLS_SHLIB make variable, which will instruct + a bsd.port.mk to run + ${LDCONFIG} -m on the directory where the + new library is installed (usually + PREFIX/lib) during + post-install target to register it into the + shared library cache. Also this variable, when defined, will + facilitate addition a appropriate + @exec /sbin/ldconfig -m and + @unexec /sbin/ldconfig -R pair into your + pkg/PLIST file, so that a user who installed + the package can start using the shared library immediately and deinstallation will not cause the system to still believe the - library is there. These lines should immediately follow the line - for the shared library itself, as in: + library is there. + If you need, you can override default location where the new + library is installed by defining LDCONFIG_DIRS + make variable, which should contain list of directories into which + shared libraries are to be installed. For example if your port + installs shared libraries into + PREFIX/lib/foo and + PREFIX/lib/bar directories + you could use the following in your + Makefile: + -lib/libtvl80.so.1 -@exec /sbin/ldconfig -m %D/lib -@unexec /sbin/ldconfig -R +INSTALLS_SHLIB= yes +LDCONFIG_DIRS= %%PREFIX%%/lib/foo %%PREFIX%%/lib/bar - Never, ever, ever add a line that says - ldconfig without any arguments to your - Makefile or pkg/PLIST. - This will reset the shared library cache to the contents of - /usr/lib only, and will royally screw up the - user's machine ("Help, xinit does not run anymore after I install - this port!"). Anybody who does this will be shot and cut in 65,536 - pieces by a rusty knife and have his liver chopped out by a bunch of - crows and will eternally rot to death in the deepest bowels of hell - (not necessarily in that order…) + Note that content of LDCONFIG_DIRS is passed + through sed just like the rest of pkg/PLIST, + so PLIST_SUB substitutions also apply here. It is + recommended that you use %%PREFIX%% for + PREFIX, %%LOCALBASE%% for + LOCALBASE and %%X11BASE%% for + X11BASE. @@ -3387,7 +3394,7 @@ be added as noted in the info files section. Any libraries installed by the port should be listed as specified in the - ldconfig section. + shared libraries section. --------------AE7302D1A9E4EF4E25D5C3B5-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 7:50: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC7337B422 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA46996; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009191450.HAA46996@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Eric Ogren Subject: Re: docs/21399: Handbook DHCP section doesn't mention bpf Reply-To: Eric Ogren Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/21399; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Eric Ogren To: dpelleg+bsd@cs.cmu.edu Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/21399: Handbook DHCP section doesn't mention bpf Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:47:48 -0400 On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 06:31:33AM -0700, dpelleg+bsd@cs.cmu.edu wrote: > >Description: > The DHCP chapter in the handbook fails to say you'll need bpf compiled into your kernel. > If you simply follow the instructions in it (like I did), it won't work. Not until you > rebuild the kernel, that is. The attached patch should do it. I don't know if that big note about the bpf device I included is necessary, but both LINT and GENERIC tell the user to be aware of the consequences of using bpf, so I figured I might as well make it clear what those consequences are. Also, if you look at the patch, it looks like I screwed up indentation, but when the patch is actually applied, the indentation is correct (at least on my system). I have no idea why this is. And finally, just a question -- this patch turns a couple of paragraphs into a within an and adjusts those paragraphs' indentation accordingly. Is it better to create two patches, one to make the paragraphs part of the list and then another with the whitespace change to make the section fit the style guide, or is it OK just to wrap the whole thing up in one patch like I did? Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 8: 0: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B4F37B42C for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA51171; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009191500.IAA51171@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Eric Ogren Subject: Re: docs/21399: Handbook DHCP section doesn't mention bpf Reply-To: Eric Ogren Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/21399; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Eric Ogren To: dpelleg+bsd@cs.cmu.edu Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/21399: Handbook DHCP section doesn't mention bpf Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:50:05 -0400 --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 10:47:48AM -0400, Eric Ogren wrote: > The attached patch should do it. I don't know if that big note about the And now the actual patch... Eric --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="DHCP.patch" Index: chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/doctree/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/advanced-networking/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.30 diff -u -r1.30 chapter.sgml --- chapter.sgml 2000/09/01 21:31:46 1.30 +++ chapter.sgml 2000/09/19 14:40:26 @@ -2626,29 +2626,60 @@ execute dhclient, and if successful, will fill in the network configuration information automatically. - To have your system use DHCP to obtain network information - upon startup, edit your /etc/rc.conf to - include the following: + There are two things you must do to have your system use + DHCP upon startup: + + + + Make sure that the bpf + device is compiled into your kernel. To do this, add + psuedo-device bpf to your kernel + configuration file, and rebuild the kernel. For more + information about building kernels, see . + The bpf device is already + part of the GENERIC kernel that is + supplied with FreeBSD, so if you don't have a custom + kernel, you shouldn't need to create one in order to get + DHCP working. + + For those who are particularly security conscious, + you should be warned that bpf + is also the device that allows packet sniffers to work + correctly (although they still have to be run as + root). bpf + is required to use DHCP, but if + you are very sensitive about security, you probably + shouldn't add bpf to your + kernel in the expectation that at some point in the + future you will be using DHCP. + + + + Edit your /etc/rc.conf to + include the following: - + ifconfig_fxp0="DHCP" - + - - Be sure to replace fxp0 with the - designation for the interface that you wish to dynamically - configure. - + + Be sure to replace fxp0 with the + designation for the interface that you wish to dynamically + configure. + - If you are using a different location for - dhclient, or if you wish to pass additional - flags to dhclient, also include the - following (editing as necessary): + If you are using a different location for + dhclient, or if you wish to pass additional + flags to dhclient, also include the + following (editing as necessary): - + dhcp_program="/sbin/dhclient" dhcp_flags="" - + + + The DHCP server, dhcpd, is included as part of the isc-dhcp2 port in the ports --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 8:54:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com [155.208.254.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F12B37B422; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (hpcpbla.bri.hp.com [15.144.112.65]) by bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22A0156D1; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:54:08 +0200 (METDST) Received: from sse0691.bri.hp.com (sse0691.bri.hp.com [15.144.0.53]) by hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.0) with ESMTP id QAA28324; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:54:07 +0100 (BST) Received: (from steve@localhost) by sse0691.bri.hp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30882; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:57:23 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from steve) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:57:23 +0100 From: Steve Roome To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: James Housley , Mark Ovens Subject: signal 11 faq entry Message-ID: <20000919165723.D8111@moose.bri.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Following a recent discussion on -stable, I've got a revised entry for the signal 11 section in the FAQ, and I'm asking for a bit of feedback, I've not cc'd to -stable for fear of things getting out of hand, again, which is what I was hoping to avert in the future. The reason for this change is to perhaps stem the tide of threads that go : "I got a sig 11" "It's your hardware" It's not always that clear cut and perhaps a clearer faq entry would get people investigating these problems for themselves and save us all the tedium of watching that thread every few weeks. [Yup, I'm (ir)responsible for some of that spam as well! ] Draft revised entry (awaiting comments) available here : http://www.snuggly.demon.co.uk/sig11entry.txt I'll format it back into sgml once I've got some feedback on the actual text. Thanks in advance, Steve P.S. If everyone thinks I'm barking up the wrong tree, just let me know politely and I'll go back to my skulking corner! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 10: 1:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0780037B422; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13bQ9a-000HPk-00; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:21:54 +0100 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA60421; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:21:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:21:54 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Maxim Sobolev Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Porter's Handbook patch Message-ID: <20000919172154.B30774@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <39C77CA9.8AED84CA@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39C77CA9.8AED84CA@FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Maxim Sobolev wrote: > Please review attached patch, which intended to replace outdated First, you need two spaces after a fullstop. One space is Wrong[tm]. (Of course, if a sentence ends at the end of a line, the existing newline is just as good.) > + If your port installs a shared library(ies), define a I think "If your port installs one or more shared libraries, ..." would sound better. That "library(ies)" looks ugly to me. > + shared library cache. Also this variable, when defined, will > + facilitate addition a appropriate I don't like that much. I'd prefer this: This variable, when defined, will also facilitate addition of an appropriate [...] > + make variable, which should contain list of directories into which s/contain list/contain a list/ > + through sed just like the rest of pkg/PLIST, "&man.sed.1;" instead of plain "sed", please. Other than that, it looks good to me. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 10: 1:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEB437B42C for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13bPxu-000HPR-00; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:09:50 +0100 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA47933; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:09:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:09:50 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Eric Ogren Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/21399: Handbook DHCP section doesn't mention bpf Message-ID: <20000919170950.A30774@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200009191500.IAA51171@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200009191500.IAA51171@freefall.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric Ogren wrote: > + There are two things you must do to have your system use > + DHCP upon startup: This looks reasonable, with a couple of minor complaints... You know what I'm like... :-) > + device is compiled into your kernel. To do this, add > + psuedo-device bpf to your kernel would be better than here, I think. > + The bpf device is already > + part of the GENERIC kernel that is Probably for GENERIC, but I'm not sure "GENERIC" is being used just as a filename. I don't think emphasis is right, I'd use (which I tend to use for anything I want in monospace when there isn't a better tag) if isn't right. > - > + > ifconfig_fxp0="DHCP" > - > + Please don't include gratuitous whitespace diffs along with a diff which changes content. It just makes life hard(er) for the translators, and in this case, difficult for whoever commits your patch since they'll have to fix it to remove the white space differences (and check if they are in fact only white space differences). If the indenting is wrong, please include a fix for that as a separate diff so it can be committed separately with a log message like "white space change only -- translators may ignore this commit". Other than that, it looks good. I shall have to warn you soon, that if you send many more good diffs like this, someone is likely to say "I'm sick of you, Eric. Here's your commit bit, now commit the damn patches yourself." :-) -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 10: 7:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22D7637B423; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA06607; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:07:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:07:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200009191707.KAA06607@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dpelleg+bsd@cs.cmu.edu, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/21399: Handbook DHCP section doesn't mention bpf Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Handbook DHCP section doesn't mention bpf State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Tue Sep 19 18:07:25 BST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Fixed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=21399 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 10: 9: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from racine.cybercable.fr (racine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A21D137B422 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3018353 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2000 17:08:56 -0000 Received: from r121m50.cybercable.tm.fr (HELO qualys.com) ([195.132.121.50]) (envelope-sender ) by racine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Sep 2000 17:08:56 -0000 Message-ID: <39C79E28.809F105F@qualys.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:11:04 +0200 From: Maxime Henrion X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maxim Sobolev , ports@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Porter's Handbook patch References: <39C77CA9.8AED84CA@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Maxim Sobolev wrote: > Dear -doc and -ports people, > > Please review attached patch, which intended to replace outdated > ldconfig-related chapter in Porter's Handbook with one matching reality > (INSTALLS_SHLIB). > The ldconfig's behaviour has changed when it's invoked without parameters, since 4.1-RELEASE. It now does a ldconfig -R by default and doesn't reset the shared libraries cache to the content of /usr/lib any longer. I think it's worth to precise it in the documentation. Regards, Maxime Henrion To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 10:18:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D3F37B50F; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rod.darktech.org (ip219.cambridge2.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.112.219]) by emu.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15135; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from eogren@localhost) by rod.darktech.org (8.10.1/8.9.3) id e8JHI0Y01239; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:18:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from eogren) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:18:00 -0400 From: Eric Ogren To: Ben Smithurst Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/21399: Handbook DHCP section doesn't mention bpf Message-ID: <20000919131800.A1206@earthlink.net> References: <200009191500.IAA51171@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000919170950.A30774@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000919170950.A30774@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:09:50PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:09:50PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Eric Ogren wrote: > > > > + device is compiled into your kernel. To do this, add > > + psuedo-device bpf to your kernel > > would be better than here, I think. OK. I wasn't really sure when it's appropriate to use , so I just used instead, since that's how I would format it in plain text. > > + part of the GENERIC kernel that is > > Probably for GENERIC, but I'm not sure "GENERIC" is being > used just as a filename. I don't think emphasis is right, I'd use > (which I tend to use for anything I want in monospace when > there isn't a better tag) if isn't right. I didn't really think emphasis was right, but I thought filename was even less right, and I didn't see a tag in the FDP primer :). I guess > Please don't include gratuitous whitespace diffs along with a diff which > changes content. It just makes life hard(er) for the translators, and [slightly rearrange the quote] > - > + > ifconfig_fxp0="DHCP" > - > + OK, that answers my question. This whitespace change was induced by a content change (that became part of a ), so I wasn't sure if it was appropriate or not. > > I shall have to warn you soon, that if you send many more good diffs > like this, someone is likely to say "I'm sick of you, Eric. Here's your > commit bit, now commit the damn patches yourself." :-) We'll see... :) I'm (finally) off to school in a couple of days, so expect my output to drop at least a little bit. Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 10:19:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDA937B422; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8JH17307667; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:01:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:01:07 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Steve Roome Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, James Housley , Mark Ovens Subject: Re: signal 11 faq entry Message-ID: <20000919100107.B3343@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20000919165723.D8111@moose.bri.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000919165723.D8111@moose.bri.hp.com>; from steve@sse0691.bri.hp.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:57:23PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:57:23PM +0100, Steve Roome wrote: > Following a recent discussion on -stable, I've got a revised entry for > the signal 11 section in the FAQ, and I'm asking for a bit of > feedback, I've not cc'd to -stable for fear of things getting out of > hand, again, which is what I was hoping to avert in the future. I'd drop the part about memory testers since that will just generate more e-mail from people who's busted systems pass their favorite memory tester. The only time memory testers tell you anything is if they find an error. Otherwise all you know is that the patterns they used didn't trigger an error which isn't at all the same as knowing that the memory is good. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 10:56:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7E437B423; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8JHZXI12164; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:35:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:35:32 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: ben@FreeBSD.org Cc: dpelleg+bsd@cs.cmu.edu, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/21399: Handbook DHCP section doesn't mention bpf Message-ID: <20000919183532.A12114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200009191707.KAA06607@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200009191707.KAA06607@freefall.freebsd.org>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 10:07:56AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just a quick note. On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 10:07:56AM -0700, ben@FreeBSD.org wrote: > Synopsis: Handbook DHCP section doesn't mention bpf > > State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > State-Changed-By: ben > State-Changed-When: Tue Sep 19 18:07:25 BST 2000 > State-Changed-Why: > Fixed, thanks! > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=21399 I'm sat here somewhat swamped with work at the moment, and I was following this thread. It's incredibly gratifying to see that every point I was going to address in the original patch was bought up by you both and quickly resolved. It's good to see the process working so well, and (and in particular over the past few months) it's been great to see the doc/ committers doing a great job. Everybody give themselves a pat on the back. And ask me to buy you a beer if you're going to BSDCon. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 10:59:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3C437B42C; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8JHtw612268; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:55:58 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:55:52 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Steve Roome Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, James Housley , Mark Ovens Subject: Re: signal 11 faq entry Message-ID: <20000919185552.B12114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000919165723.D8111@moose.bri.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20000919165723.D8111@moose.bri.hp.com>; from steve@sse0691.bri.hp.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:57:23PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:57:23PM +0100, Steve Roome wrote: > Following a recent discussion on -stable, I've got a revised entry for > the signal 11 section in the FAQ, and I'm asking for a bit of > feedback, I've not cc'd to -stable for fear of things getting out of > hand, again, which is what I was hoping to avert in the future. Not bad. I'd probably expand I couple of sections. [...] bits of code. In particular, a dead giveaway that this is *not* a FreeBSD bug is if you see the problem when you're compiling a program, but the activity that the compiler's carrying out changes each time. For example, suppose you're running "make buildworld", and the compile fails trying to compile ls.c in to ls.o. If then run "make buildworld" again, and the compile fails in the same place then this is a broken build -- try updating your sources and try again. If the compile fails elsewhere then this is almost certainly hardware. [...] In the case of b) you will need to verify that it's not your hardware that's at fault. Common causes of this include: 1. Hard disks running too hot. Check the fans in your case. 2. The processor running too hot. This might be because you've overclocked the processor (in which case, stop doing that). Or the fan on the processor might have died. 3. Dodgy memory, and/or motherboards. If you have multiple memory SIMMS installed then pull one out and try again. If everything works now then you've got a bad SIMM. If it fails again, pull out another chip, and so on, until you identify the SIMM. Some motherboards are also known to have problems if you fill up all the memory banks. [...] What do you think? N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 11: 4:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from thehousleys.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.224.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF4D37B424; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thehousleys.net (baby.int.thehousleys.net [192.168.0.24]) by thehousleys.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e8JI48Q17601; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:04:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Message-ID: <39C7AA8F.A2647C8A@thehousleys.net> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:03:59 -0400 From: James Housley Organization: The Housleys dot Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton Cc: Steve Roome , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Mark Ovens Subject: Re: signal 11 faq entry References: <20000919165723.D8111@moose.bri.hp.com> <20000919185552.B12114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms74E4D6673B14DB343C4E276B" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms74E4D6673B14DB343C4E276B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nik Clayton wrote: This keeps getting better and better. Something should be commited to make it into 4.1.1 on next Monday. > 3. Dodgy memory, and/or motherboards. If you have multiple memory > SIMMS installed then pull one out and try again. If everything > works now then you've got a bad SIMM. If it fails again, pull > out another chip, and so on, until you identify the SIMM. > > Some motherboards are also known to have problems if you fill > up all the memory banks. > Very true. 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To do this, add > > > + psuedo-device bpf to your kernel > > > > would be better than here, I think. > Also change the spelling to "pseudo-device", otherwise config won't recognize it and will throw a syntax error. Jeff -- Jeff Gibbons jgibbons@protogate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 14:37:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9655637B423; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13bTGP-000I30-00; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:41:09 +0100 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA47425; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:41:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:41:09 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Nik Clayton Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/21399: Handbook DHCP section doesn't mention bpf Message-ID: <20000919204109.D30774@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200009191707.KAA06607@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000919183532.A12114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000919183532.A12114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton wrote: > It's incredibly gratifying to see that every point I was going to address > in the original patch was bought up by you both and quickly resolved. It's > good to see the process working so well, and (and in particular over the > past few months) it's been great to see the doc/ committers doing a great > job. > > Everybody give themselves a pat on the back. And ask me to buy you a beer > if you're going to BSDCon. Well, my contributions to FreeBSD may dip a bit soon, since I'm off to university on Sunday. My hall doesn't have an Ethernet connection to the university network, and I'm not even sure it has a phone line for dialup use. But hopefully there's some other possibility I haven't thought of -- you don't get rid of me this easily. :-) -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 14:51: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ravel.n2.net (ravel.n2.net [207.113.132.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC0337B42C; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nike.relcast.com (nike.relcast.com [207.113.133.19]) by ravel.n2.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA28977; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgibbons@localhost) by nike.relcast.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA33365; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:51:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgibbons) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:51:49 -0700 From: Jeff Gibbons To: Nik Clayton Cc: Steve Roome , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, James Housley , Mark Ovens Subject: Re: signal 11 faq entry Message-ID: <20000919145149.B32023@nike.relcast.com> References: <20000919165723.D8111@moose.bri.hp.com> <20000919185552.B12114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20000919185552.B12114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 06:55:52PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here's another possible for Nik's list of "common causes": On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 06:55:52PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > In the case of b) you will need to verify that it's not your hardware > that's at fault. > > Common causes of this include: > > 1. Hard disks running too hot. Check the fans in your case. > > 2. The processor running too hot. This might be because you've > overclocked the processor (in which case, stop doing that). Or > the fan on the processor might have died. > > 3. Dodgy memory, and/or motherboards. If you have multiple memory > SIMMS installed then pull one out and try again. If everything > works now then you've got a bad SIMM. If it fails again, pull > out another chip, and so on, until you identify the SIMM. > > Some motherboards are also known to have problems if you fill > up all the memory banks. > 4. Unclean or insufficient power to the motherboard. If you have any unused I/O boards, hard disks, or CDROMs in your system, try temporarily removing them or disconnecting the power cable from them, to see if your power supply can manage a smaller load. Or try another power supply, preferably one with a little more power (for instance, if your current power supply is rated at 250 Watts try one rated at 300 Watts). Jeff -- Jeff Gibbons jgibbons@protogate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 15: 1:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E12C37B423; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:01:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8JM1LG30737; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:01:21 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:01:21 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Jeff Gibbons Cc: Nik Clayton , Steve Roome , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, James Housley , Mark Ovens Subject: Re: signal 11 faq entry Message-ID: <20000919150121.A30358@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20000919165723.D8111@moose.bri.hp.com> <20000919185552.B12114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20000919145149.B32023@nike.relcast.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000919145149.B32023@nike.relcast.com>; from jgibbons@protogate.com on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:51:49PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:51:49PM -0700, Jeff Gibbons wrote: > Here's another possible for Nik's list of "common causes": Hmm, maybe what we really need is a question on this sort of thing that the signal 11 FAQ can refrence. Programs throwing signal 11 isn't the only symptom of flakey hardware. I'm got a system that locks solid periodicaly if you install memory in one of the slots (which is bad because there are only two of them). -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 17: 4:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BDE37B42C; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.255.97.7]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000920000416.CRWE16640.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:04:16 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8K03xb18811; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:03:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:03:23 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Ben Smithurst Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/21399: Handbook DHCP section doesn't mention bpf Message-ID: <20000920010323.D257@parish> References: <200009191707.KAA06607@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000919183532.A12114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20000919204109.D30774@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20000919204109.D30774@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@freebsd.org on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 08:41:09PM +0100 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 08:41:09PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Nik Clayton wrote: > > > It's incredibly gratifying to see that every point I was going to address > > in the original patch was bought up by you both and quickly resolved. It's > > good to see the process working so well, and (and in particular over the > > past few months) it's been great to see the doc/ committers doing a great > > job. > > > > Everybody give themselves a pat on the back. And ask me to buy you a beer > > if you're going to BSDCon. > > Well, my contributions to FreeBSD may dip a bit soon, since I'm off to > university on Sunday. > > My hall doesn't have an Ethernet connection to the university network, > and I'm not even sure it has a phone line for dialup use. But hopefully > there's some other possibility I haven't thought of -- Thank God! Now maybe I can beat you to committing all those PRs [mumble, mumble, bloody students, 12 week summer holidays, nothing better to do, mumble, mumble] :-) > you don't get rid > of me this easily. :-) > Ah, but you don't know about my secret plan, do you? :) > -- > Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 18:41:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDA437B423; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.253.84.23]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000920014114.CKJE13676.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:41:14 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8K1f8021089; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:41:08 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:41:02 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: James Housley Cc: Nik Clayton , Steve Roome , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: signal 11 faq entry Message-ID: <20000920024102.G257@parish> References: <20000919165723.D8111@moose.bri.hp.com> <20000919185552.B12114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <39C7AA8F.A2647C8A@thehousleys.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <39C7AA8F.A2647C8A@thehousleys.net>; from jim@thehousleys.net on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:03:59PM -0400 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:03:59PM -0400, James Housley wrote: > Nik Clayton wrote: > > This keeps getting better and better. Something should be commited to > make it into 4.1.1 on next Monday. > OK, I've patched all the suggestions into the FAQ. The result can be seen at http://dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org/~mark/book.html (just that section, not the entire FAQ). There is also a file containing the diff(1) against the SGML source at ftp://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/pub/mark/book.diff (it still needs the markup tidying up and spell/grammar checking). Comments, suggestions, patches? -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 19:10:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E69837B422; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from du-004-0133.freeuk.com ([212.126.149.133] helo=cream.org) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13bZLA-0005nW-00; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 03:10:29 +0100 Content-Length: 2522 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 03:10:25 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Boothman To: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: erlang port -- a poster child (Re: I'll be rolling a 4.1.1 r Cc: olgeni@uli.it, ruslan@shevchenko.kiev.ua, seb@bluetail.com, Ade Lovett , ports@FreeBSD.org, mi@aldan.algebra.com, Neil Blakey-Milner , doc@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org, jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Now CC'ed to -doc as this is a Docs issue now] On 18-Sep-00 Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > >> I agree with the "if it's not in a PR, it doesn't exist" sentiment quite >> a bit - PRs contain information specific to a certain problem, and that >> allows me to look at your PR in tkgnats and discover it's being >> neglected, instead of just wondering what's up, and considering setting >> it to feedback to see what's up. > > What this really boils down to is the same as in another thread recently - > committers are a scarce resource, and so the submitter needs to do what he > can to make the most efficient use of the resource (if he or she wants to > get his change committed in a timely fashion). We've had some good > suggestions here - the best thing would be to write up something for the > handbook on "How to make the best use of FreeBSD committers to get changes > applied", as Jordan has already suggested. Agreed. Here's my synopsis of what should go into such a document (probably changes to the existing "How To Contribute" page - http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/contrib-how.html ) * File all changes to either source, docs or a port as a PR under the appropriate catagory. And a message, or a CC of the PR, should be sent to the maintainer. * If the PR is for a port make sure that "port update" is in the synopsis field, if only so that it catches Neil Blakey-Milner's regular check for such PR's, but also to act as a good description. * If you are the MAINTAINER of a piece of code (or more likely a port) and don't have commit privs, put "MAINTAINER update" in the synopsis, for the same reasons as before. * If no reply is recieved within 1-2 weeks, then a reply to the PR should be sent to gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org detailing the attempts made to contact the maintainer. * Do we then recommend a general e-mail to -doc, -ports, -hackers or whatever the appropriate "development" list is, to find a more interested committer who may want to look at the PR? I don't think we should talk down the PR system in the Handbook, after all we do want to encourage people to take the time to write PRs. However, a carefully worded phrase to ensure that nobody has any "unrealistic expectations of the process" as Jordan democratically put it, should probably be included. I don't really have much experience of all this, I'm just trying to surmise what others have been saying. How have I done? --- Andrew Boothman http://sour.cream.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 19 19:10:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B6037B42C for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from du-004-0133.freeuk.com ([212.126.149.133] helo=cream.org) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13bZLb-0005ny-00 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 03:10:56 +0100 Content-Length: 434 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 03:10:57 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Boothman To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/20794 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just a quick reminder to the DocBook gods on the list that there's 2 articles marked up and waiting for comments on http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~andrew/docproj/ It turns out that the author of the 'PXE Installs' document has some changes he wants to make to his content, so that one'll change. But I'd appricate any comments on my DocBook skills all the same. :-) Thanks. --- Andrew Boothman http://sour.cream.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 0:50:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.inwind.it (relay1.inwind.it [212.141.53.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70DDE37B422; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bartequi.ottodomain.org (212.141.78.52) by relay1.inwind.it (5.1.046) id 39AFDC9900302109; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:50:12 +0200 From: Salvo Bartolotta Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:50:32 GMT Message-ID: <20000920.8503200@bartequi.ottodomain.org> Subject: Re: docs/21057: Little correction of hier(8) To: Mark Ovens Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000919004737.B3924@parish> X-Mailer: SuperCalifragilis X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/19/00, 12:47:37 AM, Mark Ovens wrote regarding Re: docs/21057: Little correction of hier(8): > On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 08:56:17 GMT, Salvo Bartolotta wrote: > > Dear FreeBSD doc'ers, > > > > In my quest for the Holy Grail, ahem, for the origin of the /usr > > "acronym", I received the following letter from Chris Coleman: > > > > --------------------- Forwarded Message ------------------------- > > > > At the moment, I cannot recall where I got that tid bit of > > information. Regardless of whether it originally stood for "user" or= > > not, calling it "User" would confuse new users.. Currently, the Uni= x > > System Resources live there and that is what it should be called. > > (IMHO) > > > > I may be alone in this definition, but that definition is at least 4= > > years old. I never questioned it. (Although, I may not be alone, > > because I have been propigating that definition for the last 3-4 > > years.) > > > > I found this definition in my searching, which may be more correct. > > > > Mount point for sharable user commands, libraries, and documentation= . > > http://www.kelley.iu.edu/shyu/hpguide.html#files > > > > Still, I'd prefer to keep using the Unix System Resources as a good > > acronym to help people remember and distinguish between "user" files= > > and "system" files. > > > > Feel Free to forward this to -doc if it helps any. > I prefer Unix System Resources as well, however, in The Unix > Programming Environment by Kernighan & Pike (1984) I find: > p22: "On many systems, /usr is a directory that contains the > directories of all the users of the system." > p48: "/usr is often the top directory of the user filesystem > (user is abbreviated to usr in the same spirit as cmp, > ls, etc.)." > p64 (Table 2.1): > /usr user file system > p65: "/usr is called the `user file system', although it may > have little to do with the actual users of the system." > So, what is the correct answer? Should I commit this PR, or just close= > it. It shouldn't be left lying around. Dear Mark Ovens, You are [most probably] right; the evidence you have given should be the ultimate historical answer. Chris himself pointed out that he was not quite sure about the origin of the "acronym" in question. I was wondering whether something like the following would do: "... originally abbreviated to usr in the same terse/concise [Unix] style/spirit as ls, cmp etc.; subsequently reinterpreted as Unix System Resources. The latter meaning seems to be more appropriate to the current [Free]BSD filesystem layout [...]". Unless other evidence and comments are provided, something like the foregoing seems (to me) a sensible choice. But ... beware of my English, I am Italian, after all :-) Best regards, Salvo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 1: 0: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF8437B423 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id BAA86516; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009200800.BAA86516@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Salvo Bartolotta Subject: Re: docs/21057: Little correction of hier(8) Reply-To: Salvo Bartolotta Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/21057; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Salvo Bartolotta To: Mark Ovens Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/21057: Little correction of hier(8) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:50:32 GMT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/19/00, 12:47:37 AM, Mark Ovens wrote regarding Re: docs/21057: Little correction of hier(8): > On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 08:56:17 GMT, Salvo Bartolotta wrote: > > Dear FreeBSD doc'ers, > > > > In my quest for the Holy Grail, ahem, for the origin of the /usr > > "acronym", I received the following letter from Chris Coleman: > > > > --------------------- Forwarded Message ------------------------- > > > > At the moment, I cannot recall where I got that tid bit of > > information. Regardless of whether it originally stood for "user" or= > > not, calling it "User" would confuse new users.. Currently, the Uni= x > > System Resources live there and that is what it should be called. > > (IMHO) > > > > I may be alone in this definition, but that definition is at least 4= > > years old. I never questioned it. (Although, I may not be alone, > > because I have been propigating that definition for the last 3-4 > > years.) > > > > I found this definition in my searching, which may be more correct. > > > > Mount point for sharable user commands, libraries, and documentation= . > > http://www.kelley.iu.edu/shyu/hpguide.html#files > > > > Still, I'd prefer to keep using the Unix System Resources as a good > > acronym to help people remember and distinguish between "user" files= > > and "system" files. > > > > Feel Free to forward this to -doc if it helps any. > I prefer Unix System Resources as well, however, in The Unix > Programming Environment by Kernighan & Pike (1984) I find: > p22: "On many systems, /usr is a directory that contains the > directories of all the users of the system." > p48: "/usr is often the top directory of the user filesystem > (user is abbreviated to usr in the same spirit as cmp, > ls, etc.)." > p64 (Table 2.1): > /usr user file system > p65: "/usr is called the `user file system', although it may > have little to do with the actual users of the system." > So, what is the correct answer? Should I commit this PR, or just close= > it. It shouldn't be left lying around. Dear Mark Ovens, You are [most probably] right; the evidence you have given should be the ultimate historical answer. Chris himself pointed out that he was not quite sure about the origin of the "acronym" in question. I was wondering whether something like the following would do: "... originally abbreviated to usr in the same terse/concise [Unix] style/spirit as ls, cmp etc.; subsequently reinterpreted as Unix System Resources. The latter meaning seems to be more appropriate to the current [Free]BSD filesystem layout [...]". Unless other evidence and comments are provided, something like the foregoing seems (to me) a sensible choice. But ... beware of my English, I am Italian, after all :-) Best regards, Salvo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 4:59: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com [155.208.254.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D39137B423; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 04:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (hpcpbla.bri.hp.com [15.144.112.65]) by bbnrel4.net.external.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A461516E; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:58:54 +0200 (METDST) Received: from sse0691.bri.hp.com (sse0691.bri.hp.com [15.144.0.53]) by hpcpbla.bri.hp.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.0) with ESMTP id MAA22690; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:58:48 +0100 (BST) Received: (from steve@localhost) by sse0691.bri.hp.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32971; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:01:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from steve) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:01:55 +0100 From: Steve Roome To: Nik Clayton Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, James Housley , Mark Ovens , Jeff Gibbons , Brooks Davis Subject: Re: signal 11 faq entry Message-ID: <20000920130155.K8111@moose.bri.hp.com> References: <20000919165723.D8111@moose.bri.hp.com> <20000919185552.B12114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20000919185552.B12114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 06:55:52PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi again everyone, Firstly, I originally only set out here to shed a little bit more light on _what to do_ in the case of these signal 11 errors. Most people when it comes to the FREQUENTLY asked question are asking what they need to do to rectify the problem. I mention this to stem the tide of all you hardware experts (self included) who would love to write for "Memory Tester Weekly" or write articles such as "Bizarre RAM Access patterns cause world's problems"! I think in this case, the SOLUTION is more important to a FAQ reader than the explanation. Still, teach a man to fish, and all that... Memory Testers : ---------------- Brooks Davis mentioned that I should drop my original wording about memory testers, so I put up the second revision, but there doesn't seem to be a concensus as only shortly later I received another email looking at it the other way round. I think that as we don't have 100% agreement on the reliability of memory testers we should leave it at that, we're not sure, don't trust them (although they may be accurate!). I think there's a niche magazine market e.g. "Memory Tester Buyer", and I really didn't want to get into the whole screaming messy nightmare of actually saying what hardware meets my criteria for good hardware, because it'll be different to a lot of other folks opinions. On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 06:55:52PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > In particular, a dead giveaway that this is *not* a FreeBSD bug is if > you see the problem when you're compiling a program, but the activity > that the compiler's carrying out changes each time. I like that bit. > For example, suppose you're running "make buildworld", and the > compile fails trying to compile ls.c in to ls.o. If then run "make > buildworld" again, and the compile fails in the same place then this > is a broken build -- try updating your sources and try again. If the > compile fails elsewhere then this is almost certainly hardware. But are we rehashing the sig11 faq here ? > 1. Hard disks running too hot. Check the fans in your case. > > 2. The processor running too hot. This might be because you've > overclocked the processor (in which case, stop doing that). Or > the fan on the processor might have died. Oh, Overclocking : (James' flameproof suit will come in handy here!) I had written: "An overclocked CPU might also exhibit such symptoms. In which case you should stop overclocking, as it's far cheaper to have a slow system than a fried system that needs replacing! Also, the wider community is not often sympathetic to problems on overclocked systems, whether you believe it's safe or not." I don't know the reasoning for changing this, and although I was probably overly long in my section, I was trying to combat an arrogance (no better word, please don't shoot me!) we tend to find on the mailing lists that's unneeded. Ideally we need to be able to politely say to knowing overclockers that "Yes, we understand that it CAN and does work for some, but that if any sort of problem like this occurs please to try things out at the standard hardware settings before proceeding, perhaps a change in version is stressing your overclocked hardware differently and now it's causing problems..." something like that. It might be worth mentioning that retailers are not always scrupulous, I fixed a friends computer recently, that was sold as a K6-2 400, but was an overclocked K6-2 350 (can't remember the figures exactly). What I don't want happening, is another spate of "but I've only overclocked my P150 to P166 (that was me a few years ago) and unnecessary flames about how stupid people are to overclock without any reasoning behind them. In fact, any excuse to clarify this issue before it reaches mailing lists is probably a Good Thing. Anyway, all my P150's overclocked fine to 166, even if I didn't get round to checking what was really inside. =) > 3. Dodgy memory, and/or motherboards. If you have multiple memory > SIMMS installed then pull one out and try again. If everything > works now then you've got a bad SIMM. If it fails again, pull > out another chip, and so on, until you identify the SIMM. Again is this rehashing the sig11 FAQ. Also, shouldn't this be t'other way round ? Pull 'em all out and try with one at a time, that might find the faulty SIMM on the next bootup even! > Some motherboards are also known to have problems if you fill > up all the memory banks. I beleive you on this one Nik, but I think that the probability of someone reading this having been hit by that last problem are slim, whereas the chance of them beleiving it in preference to a more likely (and perhaps the actual) cause is high. I'll leave my comment there though, as I'm not sure either. On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:03:59PM -0400, James Housley wrote: > Very true. Most MB's cant handle the 36chip DIMMs. Aha, should we point people in the direction of their motherboard manuals, mine specifically mentions that more than 16 chips on a DIMM are not supported by this m/b and may be unreliable. On Tue, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:51:49PM -0700, Jeff Gibbons wrote: > 4. Unclean or insufficient power to the motherboard. If > you have any unused I/O boards, hard disks, or CDROMs in > your system, try temporarily removing them or disconnecting > the power cable from them, to see if your power supply can > manage a smaller load. Or try another power supply, > preferably one with a little more power (for instance, if > your current power supply is rated at 250 Watts try one > rated at 300 Watts). I watched a computer (windows) reboot from a power glitch yesterday, strange that this should come along now, but are we getting into "my hardware is going weird on me". A much longer discussion! Okay, that was overly long, but I think I've commented on everything people sent me since yesterday, and hopefully I've helped. Thanks again for everyone's input, good to see I've stirred up some interest in something =) Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 5:59:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F72A37B42C for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 05:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zoraida.reyes.somos.net (zoraida.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.15]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA60185 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:50:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lists@reyes.somos.net) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:01:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Francisco Reyes X-Sender: fran@zoraida.reyes.somos.net To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Programmers FAQ and/or handbook? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At some point there were talks about a FAQ and/or a Handbook for programmers. Was this ever started? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 6: 7:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4CCF37B422 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 06:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.253.89.100]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000920130721.ETTV13676.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:07:21 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8KD79n01223; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:07:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:07:09 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Francisco Reyes Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Programmers FAQ and/or handbook? Message-ID: <20000920140709.B257@parish> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from lists@reyes.somos.net on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 09:01:57AM -0400 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 09:01:57AM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > At some point there were talks about a FAQ and/or a Handbook for > programmers. > > Was this ever started? > Well, there is http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/programming-tools/index.html > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 7:42:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from relay-1.ziplink.net (relay-1.ziplink.net [206.15.170.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5953137B424; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aldan.algebra.com (bronx-ip-1-229.dynamic.ziplink.net [205.208.96.229]) by relay-1.ziplink.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8KEgk700795; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mi@localhost) by aldan.algebra.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e8KEdli71369; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:39:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi) From: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <200009201439.e8KEdli71369@aldan.algebra.com> Subject: Re: erlang port -- a poster child (Re: I'll be rolling a 4.1.1 r In-Reply-To: from Andrew Boothman at "Sep 20, 2000 03:10:25 am" To: Andrew Boothman Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Cc: Kris Kennaway , olgeni@uli.it, ruslan@shevchenko.kiev.ua, seb@bluetail.com, Ade Lovett , ports@FreeBSD.org, Neil Blakey-Milner , doc@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org, jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli" To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: Andrew Boothman , ports@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org, steve@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: erlang port -- a poster child (Re: I'll be rolling a 4.1.1 r Message-ID: <20000920164941.A3105@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <200009201439.e8KEdli71369@aldan.algebra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200009201439.e8KEdli71369@aldan.algebra.com>; from mi@aldan.algebra.com on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 10:39:06AM -0400 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ Gad, what a Cc list. Steve added, some trimmed. ] > =* If you are the MAINTAINER of a piece of code (or more likely a port) > =and don't have commit privs, put "MAINTAINER update" in the synopsis, > =for the same reasons as before. > > Use of synopsis for this worries me. Perhaps, this warrants two > new classes: ``update'' and ``maintainer-update'' in addition to the > all-including ``change-request''? I think synopsis is fine, but I like your suggestion. Steve, is this possible or sufficiently easy? Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 9:26: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.ninth-circle.org (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E28637B424; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.ninth-circle.org (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e8KGQ4G52992; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:26:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:26:03 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Mark Ovens Cc: Francisco Reyes , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Programmers FAQ and/or handbook? Message-ID: <20000920182603.Q31490@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <20000920140709.B257@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20000920140709.B257@parish>; from marko@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 02:07:09PM +0100 Organisation: VIA Net.Works The Netherlands Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20000920 15:10], Mark Ovens (marko@FreeBSD.ORG) wrote: >On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 09:01:57AM -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: >> At some point there were talks about a FAQ and/or a Handbook for >> programmers. >> >> Was this ever started? >> > >Well, there is http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/programming-tools/index.html I need to get back on working on the deverloper's handbook in the doc repo again. As soon as work gets me time. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA Net.Works The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.via-net-works.nl Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 12: 0: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A91337B424 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA14365; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.149.48.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D148F37B422 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2572 invoked by uid 66); 20 Sep 2000 18:59:43 -0000 Received: from en by slarti with UUCP; Wed Sep 20 18:59:43 2000 -0000 Received: by en1.engelschall.com (Sendmail 8.11.0+) id e8KInpb09730; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:49:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200009201849.e8KInpb09730@en1.engelschall.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:49:51 +0200 (CEST) From: "Ralf S. Engelschall" Reply-To: rse@engelschall.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/21428: resurrect SF_ARCHIVED in chflags(2) manpage Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 21428 >Category: docs >Synopsis: resurrect SF_ARCHIVED in chflags(2) manpage >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Sep 20 12:00:03 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Ralf S. Engelschall >Release: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 >Organization: Engelschall, Germany. >Environment: FreeBSD en1.engelschall.com 4.1-STABLE FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE #0: Sat Sep 16 18:53:52 CEST 2000 rse@en1.engelschall.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/EN1 i386 >Description: Although FreeBSD supports the SF_ARCHIVED flag in cflags() and "arch" in "cflags", only "arch" is documented in the corresponding manpage cflags(1) while SF_ARCHIVED is missing from the manpage cflags(2). It is out-commented there under the name "ARCHIVED". This part of the manpage was overtaken directly from 4.4BSD. But for FreeBSD we should now resurrect the stuff under the current name SF_ARCHIVED. >How-To-Repeat: $ man 2 chflags | grep SF_ARCHIVED >Fix: Here is a patch for 5.0-CURRENT's version of chflags.2: Index: chflags.2 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/lib/libc/sys/chflags.2,v retrieving revision 1.13 diff -u -d -r1.13 chflags.2 --- chflags.2 2000/06/17 14:03:34 1.13 +++ chflags.2 2000/09/20 18:43:15 @@ -72,8 +72,8 @@ The file may not be renamed or deleted. .It UF_OPAQUE The directory is opaque when viewed through a union stack. -.\".It ARCHIVED -.\"File is archived. +.It SF_ARCHIVED +The file may be archived. .It SF_IMMUTABLE The file may not be changed. .It SF_APPEND >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 12:32:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2374A37B42C; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zoraida.reyes.somos.net (zoraida.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.15]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA61312; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:23:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:34:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Francisco Reyes To: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Cc: Mark Ovens , Francisco Reyes , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Programmers FAQ and/or handbook? In-Reply-To: <20000920182603.Q31490@lucifer.bart.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I need to get back on working on the deverloper's handbook in the doc > repo again. Has any work been done so far? Wouldn't a FAQ be a better starting point? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 13:40: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9161C37B424 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA35847; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46EE37B422 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ganerc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 13bqWz-0000UO-00; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:31:49 +0200 Received: (from naddy@localhost) by ganerc.mips.inka.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8KKNUH55755; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:23:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from naddy) Message-Id: <200009202023.e8KKNUH55755@ganerc.mips.inka.de> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:23:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Christian Weisgerber Reply-To: naddy@mips.inka.de To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/21430: doc/Makefile ignores SUPHOST Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 21430 >Category: docs >Synopsis: doc/Makefile ignores SUPHOST >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Sep 20 13:40:01 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Christian Weisgerber >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: doc/Makefile is out of sync with the current conventions in ports/Makefile, src/Makefile, and src/etc/defaults/make.conf. Rather than specifying "-h host" in SUPFLAGS, there's now a SUPHOST variable. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- doc/Makefile.orig Wed Sep 20 22:13:43 2000 +++ doc/Makefile Wed Sep 20 22:16:25 2000 @@ -17,6 +17,9 @@ DOC_PREFIX?= ${.CURDIR} +.if defined(SUPHOST) +SUPFLAGS+= -h ${SUPHOST} +.endif update: .if defined(SUP_UPDATE) .if !defined(DOCSUPFILE) >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 16:36:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9398D37B423 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.253.88.240]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000920233608.IPTQ16640.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:36:08 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8KNaEj03403; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:36:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:36:03 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: doc@freebsd.org Cc: Andrew Boothman Subject: Re: Ports Documentation Index - the next installment Message-ID: <20000921003603.F1612@parish> References: <20000906002540.M254@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20000906002540.M254@parish>; from marko@freebsd.org on Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 12:25:40AM +0100 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've further enhanced the docsmaker script for those who may be interested: 1. Merged ``docsmaker'' and ``docindex.pl'' into one file, which is called ``docindex.pl'' (it seemed the more accurate name of the 2). This also removes the need for the wrapper script. The conditional re-building of the files based on timestamps is (temporarily?) disabled. The script runs sufficiently fast that it may as well re-build everything. 2. Removed all the debugging print()'s and added progress messages. 3. Moved the code that attempts to extract a title from HTML docs into a subroutine. 4. With HTML docs, if there is no tag it now looks for <H1> and <H2> tags (in that order), only falling back to the filename if none of those tags are found. I figured that searching for lower level heading tags would probably result in a less a meaningful title than using the filename. (Suggested by Nik Clayton). 5. The various paths used and the resulting index file are now stored in variables and code added to allow these to be set as environment variables to override the defaults if your +CONTENTS files and/or FreeBSD docs are in non-standard locations. The variables are: $PKG_DIR (default: /var/db/pkg) $DOC_DIR (default: /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1) $INDEX_FILE (default: /usr/local/share/doc/index.html) 6. Added some additional annotation (the date/time the index was last rebuilt) and a FreeBSD logo GIF at the top. Suggested by Andrew Boothman (I've left out the doc count as I'm planning to implement that in a different way). The location of the GIF is hard-coded as /usr/local/share/doc/freebsd_title.gif 7. Added more filetypes to the list of those recognized and re-wrote the code that does this. 8. Added ``use strict'' which has forced me to tidy up the code :) Also annotated the code. 9. Added a BSD Licence and copyright notice :) The new code can be found at http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/docindex.pl and the GIF at http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/freebsd_title.gif Enjoy. -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 18:39:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563CC37B423 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rod.darktech.org (ip165.cambridge2.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.112.165]) by eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06456 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from eogren@localhost) by rod.darktech.org (8.10.1/8.9.3) id e8L1dmD00915 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:39:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from eogren) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:39:48 -0400 From: Eric Ogren <eogren@earthlink.net> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: incommunicado for a couple of days / email addr change Message-ID: <20000920213948.A902@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all- Just a quick note for anybody who might want to get in touch with me, since I'm pretty sure I still have a couple of doc PRs open -- as I said, I'll be going off to school soon (I'm flying out tomorrow), and since I'm not bringing a computer with me, I'll probably be out of contact for at least a couple of days. Also, my email address will be changing to eogren@stanford.edu. Unlike Ben, my dorm does have Internet access (so, fortunately, he won't be picking apart my PRs :)), so I'll be back online once I buy a computer. Sorry for spamming if nobody really cares. :) Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 20: 6:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1142037B422; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03694; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:05:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" <chad@DCFinc.com> Message-Id: <200009210305.UAA03694@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: erlang port -- a poster child (Re: I'll be rolling a 4.1.1 r In-Reply-To: <200009201439.e8KEdli71369@aldan.algebra.com> from Mikhail Teterin at "Sep 20, 0 10:39:06 am" To: mi@aldan.algebra.com (Mikhail Teterin) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:05:45 -0700 (MST) Cc: andrew@cream.org, kris@FreeBSD.ORG, olgeni@uli.it, ruslan@shevchenko.kiev.ua, seb@bluetail.com, ade@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, nbm@mithrandr.moria.org, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As I recall, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > Andrew Boothman once stated: > > =* If the PR is for a port make sure that "port update" is in the > =synopsis field, if only so that it catches Neil Blakey-Milner's regular > =check for such PR's, but also to act as a good description. > = > =* If you are the MAINTAINER of a piece of code (or more likely a port) > =and don't have commit privs, put "MAINTAINER update" in the synopsis, > =for the same reasons as before. > > Use of synopsis for this worries me. Perhaps, this warrants two > new classes: ``update'' and ``maintainer-update'' in addition to the > all-including ``change-request''? I too am a bit worried. Are we saying that one of the ports committers doesn't expect to do that job unless certain keywords are in the PR? If so, that should be documented other than in e-mail here. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 20:10:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (zoom0-123.telepath.com [216.14.0.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E7AD937B423 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org>; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 68195 invoked by uid 100); 21 Sep 2000 03:10:28 -0000 From: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14793.31780.59934.279218@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:10:28 -0500 (CDT) To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: I want to contribute a FAQ entry.. X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 10) "Capitol Reef" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org But rather than telling me where to start, the FAQ says send mail here. So, could someone tell me what I need to do to contribute a FAQ entry? Thanx, <mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 20:21:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A4637B423 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8L3Loi29224; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:21:50 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:21:50 -0700 From: Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net> To: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I want to contribute a FAQ entry.. Message-ID: <20000920202150.A29093@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <14793.31780.59934.279218@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <14793.31780.59934.279218@guru.mired.org>; from mwm@mired.org on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 10:10:28PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 10:10:28PM -0500, Mike Meyer wrote: > But rather than telling me where to start, the FAQ says send mail > here. > > So, could someone tell me what I need to do to contribute a FAQ entry? I submitted one recently by downloading the FAQ sources, adding the entry to the source and submitting a diff vis send-pr. That was pretty straight forward. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 20:23:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BB037B422 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e8L3Mu620541; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:22:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com) To: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I want to contribute a FAQ entry.. In-Reply-To: Message from Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> of "Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:10:28 CDT." <14793.31780.59934.279218@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:22:56 -0700 Message-ID: <20537.969506576@winston.osd.bsdi.com> From: Jordan Hubbard <jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > But rather than telling me where to start, the FAQ says send mail > here. > > So, could someone tell me what I need to do to contribute a FAQ entry? You can submit it as a PR and mail doc@freebsd.org to let them know about it. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 21: 0:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B50937B423; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA26993; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:00:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:00:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway <kris@FreeBSD.org> To: "Chad R. Larson" <chad@DCFinc.com> Cc: Mikhail Teterin <mi@aldan.algebra.com>, andrew@cream.org, olgeni@uli.it, ruslan@shevchenko.kiev.ua, seb@bluetail.com, ade@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, nbm@mithrandr.moria.org, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com Subject: Re: erlang port -- a poster child (Re: I'll be rolling a 4.1.1 r In-Reply-To: <200009210305.UAA03694@freeway.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0009202057560.26646-100000@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Chad R. Larson wrote: > > =* If the PR is for a port make sure that "port update" is in the > > =synopsis field, if only so that it catches Neil Blakey-Milner's regular > > =check for such PR's, but also to act as a good description. > > = > > =* If you are the MAINTAINER of a piece of code (or more likely a port) > > =and don't have commit privs, put "MAINTAINER update" in the synopsis, > > =for the same reasons as before. > > > > Use of synopsis for this worries me. Perhaps, this warrants two > > new classes: ``update'' and ``maintainer-update'' in addition to the > > all-including ``change-request''? > > I too am a bit worried. Are we saying that one of the ports > committers doesn't expect to do that job unless certain keywords > are in the PR? If so, that should be documented other than in > e-mail here. No, you didnt read what was said earlier. This is a matter of prioritisation - you have to make it as easy as possible for the committer to do their job if you want them to get to your PR in a timely manner..if it's obscure or incomplete it will probably take (much) longer for anyone to spend their time on it since there are always other things they "should be doing." Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe <forsythe@alum.mit.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 20 21:20: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ice.cream.org (ice.cream.org [195.8.71.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 41C4237B42C for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28456 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2000 04:19:56 -0000 Received: from ice.cream.org (HELO cream.org) (195.8.71.30) by ice.cream.org with SMTP; 21 Sep 2000 04:19:56 -0000 Content-Length: 616 Message-ID: <XFMail.000921051958.andrew@cream.org> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200009210305.UAA03694@freeway.dcfinc.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 05:19:58 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Boothman <andrew@cream.org> To: "Chad R. Larson" <chad@DCFinc.com> Subject: Re: erlang port -- a poster child (Re: I'll be rolling a 4.1.1 r Cc: jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, nbm@mithrandr.moria.org, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, ade@FreeBSD.ORG, seb@bluetail.com, ruslan@shevchenko.kiev.ua, olgeni@uli.it, kris@FreeBSD.ORG, (Mikhail Teterin) <mi@aldan.algebra.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 21-Sep-00 Chad R. Larson wrote: >> =* If you are the MAINTAINER of a piece of code (or more likely a port) >> =and don't have commit privs, put "MAINTAINER update" in the synopsis, >> =for the same reasons as before. > I too am a bit worried. Are we saying that one of the ports > committers doesn't expect to do that job unless certain keywords > are in the PR? If so, that should be documented other than in > e-mail here. Not really, see Kris Kennaway's reply. I will write this up for the Handbook once we've decided on the wording though. --- Andrew Boothman <andrew@cream.org> http://sour.cream.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 0:40: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2807A37B43C for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id AAA78865; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from guru.mired.org (zoom0-004.telepath.com [216.14.0.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F89037B422 for <FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 75057 invoked by uid 100); 21 Sep 2000 07:37:57 -0000 Message-Id: <20000921073757.75056.qmail@guru.mired.org> Date: 21 Sep 2000 07:37:57 -0000 From: mwm@mired.org Reply-To: mwm@mired.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 21443 >Category: docs >Synopsis: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Sep 21 00:40:00 PDT 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Mike Meyer >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: Meyer Consulting >Environment: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Description: Seems like we daily (ok, but more than once a week) get someone asking "I just put on <whopping big new disk>, how do I move my data to it? >How-To-Repeat: Read -questions, and answer them for a while (and if you aren't doing that, why aren't you?) >Fix: Add this to the FAQ, under the "System Administration" section: Q: How do I move my system over to my huge new disk? A: The best way is to reinstall the OS on the new disk, then move the user data over. This is highly recommended if you've been tracking -stable for more than one release, or have updated a release instead of installing a new one. You can install booteasy on both disks with boot0cfg(8), and dual boot them until you are happy with the new configuration. Skip the next paragraph to find out how to move the data after doing this. Should you decide not to do a fresh install, you need to partition and label the new disk with either /stand/sysinstall, or fdisk(8) and disklabel(8). You should also install booteasy on both disks with boot0cfg(8), so that you can dual boot to the old or new system after the copying is done. See the formatting-media tutorial at <URL: http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/formatting-media/index.html > for details on this process. Now you've got the new disk set up, and are ready to move the data. Unfortunately, you can't just blindly copy the data. Things like device files (in /dev) and symbolic links tend to screw that up. You need to use tools that understand these things, which means dump(8) and tar(1). I recommend doing the data moves in single user mode, but it's not required. You should never use anything but dump(8) and restore(8) to move the root file system. Tar(1) may work - then again, it may not. You should also use dump(8) and restore(8) if you are moving a single partition to another empty partition. The sequence of steps to use dump to move a partitions data to a new partition is: 1. newfs the new partition. 2. mount it on a temporary mount point 3. cd to that directory 4. dump the old partition, piping output to the new one For example, if you are going to move root to /dev/ad1s1a, with /mnt as the temporary mount point, it's: # newfs /dev/ad1s1a # mount /dev/ad1s1a # cd /mnt # dump 0uaf - / | restore xf - If you are going to rearrange your partitions - say, splitting one into two, or combing two into one, you may find yourself needing to move everything under a subdirectory to a new location. Since dump(8) works with file systems, it can't do this. So you use tar(8). The general command to move /old to /new for tar is: (cd /old; tar cf - .) | (cd /new; tar xpf -) If /old has file systems mounted on that, and you don't want to move that data or unmount them, you just add the 'l' flag to the first tar: (cd /old; tar clf - .) | (cd /new; tar xpf -). >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 0:46:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (zoom0-004.telepath.com [216.14.0.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4750A37B423 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 75624 invoked by uid 100); 21 Sep 2000 07:46:21 -0000 From: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14793.48333.404742.245116@guru.mired.org> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:46:21 -0500 (CDT) To: Jordan Hubbard <jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I want to contribute a FAQ entry.. In-Reply-To: <20537.969506576@winston.osd.bsdi.com> References: <mwm@mired.org> <14793.31780.59934.279218@guru.mired.org> <20537.969506576@winston.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 10) "Capitol Reef" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan Hubbard writes: > > So, could someone tell me what I need to do to contribute a FAQ entry? > You can submit it as a PR and mail doc@freebsd.org to let them > know about it. Ok, it's now in 21443 <URL: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=21443 >. Personally, I have to wonder if it would be possible to hook up something like the Python FAQ Wizard <URL: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw.py?req=home > into the system. Thanx, <mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 3:10:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30BCE37B424 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA11800; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:10:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009211010.DAA11800@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Oliver Fromme <olli@secnetix.de> Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Reply-To: Oliver Fromme <olli@secnetix.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/21443; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Oliver Fromme <olli@secnetix.de> To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, mwm@mired.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:00:29 +0200 For what it's worth, cpdup works perfectly fine to copy a disk (or any directory tree), even the root FS. It's easier to use and more efficient than dump/restore, and it's not restricted to whole file systems. Therefore I'd suggest mentioning cpdup in this FAQ section (unfortunately I'm not a native English speaker, otherwise I'd try to formulate an appropriate paragraph myself). cpdup is in the ports collection in the sysutils category (I really wish it was in the base system). Best regards Oliver Fromme -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "All that we see or seem is just a dream within a dream" (E. A. Poe) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 3:30: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1806437B422 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA14525; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009211030.DAA14525@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Reply-To: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/21443; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> To: Oliver Fromme <olli@secnetix.de> Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 05:27:46 -0500 (CDT) Oliver Fromme writes: > > For what it's worth, cpdup works perfectly fine to copy a > disk (or any directory tree), even the root FS. It's easier > to use and more efficient than dump/restore, and it's not > restricted to whole file systems. Therefore I'd suggest > mentioning cpdup in this FAQ section (unfortunately I'm not > a native English speaker, otherwise I'd try to formulate > an appropriate paragraph myself). > > cpdup is in the ports collection in the sysutils category > (I really wish it was in the base system). Since I don't use it, I'm not really willing to recommend it myself (ditto for pax and cpio). For a number of reasons, I won't recommend using it on the root fs. So how about adding a sentence along the lines of "You might prefer cpio(1), pax(1) or cpdup (in ports/sysutils/cpdup) to tar." at the appropiate point? <mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 5:28: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from privatecube.privatelabs.com (ppp169.max-01.intercom.com [198.143.0.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21F937B423; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 05:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misha.privatelabs.com (root@misha.privatelabs.com [198.143.31.6]) by privatecube.privatelabs.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA02001; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:46:33 -0400 Received: from virtual-estates.net (mi@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by misha.privatelabs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA42894; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:27:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi@virtual-estates.net) Message-Id: <200009211227.IAA42894@misha.privatelabs.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:27:04 -0400 (EDT) From: mi@aldan.algebra.com Subject: Re: erlang port -- a poster child (Re: I'll be rolling a 4.1.1 r To: Andrew Boothman <andrew@cream.org> Cc: chad@DCFinc.com, jkh@winston.osd.bsdi.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, nbm@mithrandr.moria.org, ports@FreeBSD.ORG, ade@FreeBSD.ORG, seb@bluetail.com, ruslan@shevchenko.kiev.ua, olgeni@uli.it, kris@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <XFMail.000921051958.andrew@cream.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 21 Sep, Andrew Boothman wrote: = On 21-Sep-00 Chad R. Larson wrote: = >> =* If you are the MAINTAINER of a piece of code (or more likely a = >> =port) and don't have commit privs, put "MAINTAINER update" in the = >> =synopsis, for the same reasons as before. = > I too am a bit worried. Are we saying that one of the ports = > committers doesn't expect to do that job unless certain keywords are = > in the PR? If so, that should be documented other than in e-mail = > here. = = Not really, see Kris Kennaway's reply. = = I will write this up for the Handbook once we've decided on the = wording though. Please, consider new PR-class(es) (port-update, port-maintainer) for this -- that's much more formal, easier to search for and more obvious for a person filling it the PR out. One person so far agreed and no one objected... -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 6: 0: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24D437B423 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 06:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id GAA49005; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 06:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 06:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009211300.GAA49005@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Oliver Fromme <olli@secnetix.de> Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Reply-To: Oliver Fromme <olli@secnetix.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/21443; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Oliver Fromme <olli@secnetix.de> To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, mwm@mired.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:59:54 +0200 Mike Meyer wrote: > Since I don't use it, I'm not really willing to recommend it myself > (ditto for pax and cpio). For a number of reasons, I won't recommend > using it on the root fs. I'd suggest that you have a look at the manual page. The tool was written by Matt Dillon and Dima Ruban specifically for making an _exact_ copy of a UFS directory tree or file system, including all hardlinks, softlinks, devicenodes, sockets etc., preserving flags, permissions and utimes. I'm not aware of any reason not to use it for the root FS. > So how about adding a sentence along the lines of "You might prefer > cpio(1), pax(1) or cpdup (in ports/sysutils/cpdup) to tar." at the > appropiate point? That would be OK. Thanks Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "All that we see or seem is just a dream within a dream" (E. A. Poe) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 7:10:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F0A37B424 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id HAA68352; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009211410.HAA68352@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Reply-To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/21443; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: mwm@mired.org Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:25:56 +0100 mwm@mired.org wrote: > Q: How do I move my system over to my huge new disk? *grumble* It would be really nice if you could send this as an SGML diff to the FAQ, with correct indentation and everything. ("correct" means what the FDP Primer says, not what most of the FAQ is. Some of the questions in the FAQ are correct though, mostly the recent additions.) But if you don't have time to do that, I'm sure a doc/ committer will get around to it. Mark, are you there? :-) -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 10:20: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C8C37B424 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA19936; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009211720.KAA19936@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: docs/21428: resurrect SF_ARCHIVED in chflags(2) manpage Reply-To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/21428; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: rse@engelschall.com Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/21428: resurrect SF_ARCHIVED in chflags(2) manpage Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:04:04 +0100 Ralf S. Engelschall wrote: > Although FreeBSD supports the SF_ARCHIVED flag in cflags() and "arch" in > "cflags", only "arch" is documented in the corresponding manpage cflags(1) > while SF_ARCHIVED is missing from the manpage cflags(2). It is out-commented > there under the name "ARCHIVED". This part of the manpage was overtaken > directly from 4.4BSD. But for FreeBSD we should now resurrect the > stuff under the current name SF_ARCHIVED. This seems reasonable to me. You're a committer, go ahead. :-) -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 12:52:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (unknown [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4524237B423 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA57749; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:51:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009211951.MAA57749@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Karl Dietz <Karl.Dietz@triplan.com> Subject: Re: docs/21325: typo in german handbook Reply-To: Karl Dietz <Karl.Dietz@triplan.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/21325; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Karl Dietz <Karl.Dietz@triplan.com> To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/21325: typo in german handbook Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:42:03 +0200 The E-Mail adress is wrong, please us this one instead. -- mfG Karl Dietz Netzwerk & Systeme To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 13:37:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E627837B443; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8LKbW013294; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:37:32 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:37:32 -0700 From: Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, mwm@mired.org Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Message-ID: <20000921133732.A12815@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <200009211410.HAA68352@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200009211410.HAA68352@freefall.freebsd.org>; from ben@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 07:10:02AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 07:10:02AM -0700, Ben Smithurst wrote: > It would be really nice if you could send this as an SGML diff to the > FAQ, with correct indentation and everything. ("correct" means what the > FDP Primer says, not what most of the FAQ is. Some of the questions in > the FAQ are correct though, mostly the recent additions.) I've got time today (long tests to run), so I'm taking a shot at it. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 13:48:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB2E37B423; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ben@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA70346; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:48:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:48:43 -0700 (PDT) From: <ben@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200009212048.NAA70346@freefall.freebsd.org> To: naddy@mips.inka.de, ben@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/21430: doc/Makefile ignores SUPHOST Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: doc/Makefile ignores SUPHOST State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ben State-Changed-When: Thu Sep 21 21:48:24 BST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=21430 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 14:17:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0E737B42C; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8LLHlJ15642; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:17:47 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:17:47 -0700 From: Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Message-ID: <20000921141747.A15371@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <200009211410.HAA68352@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200009211410.HAA68352@freefall.freebsd.org>; from ben@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 07:10:02AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 07:10:02AM -0700, Ben Smithurst wrote: > It would be really nice if you could send this as an SGML diff to the > FAQ, with correct indentation and everything. ("correct" means what the > FDP Primer says, not what most of the FAQ is. Some of the questions in > the FAQ are correct though, mostly the recent additions.) I've enclosed a diff below. It's also online at: http://www.one-eyed-alien.net/~brooks/FreeBSD/diskcopy-faq.diff -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. Index: book.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.92 diff -u -r1.92 book.sgml --- book.sgml 2000/09/18 19:50:21 1.92 +++ book.sgml 2000/09/21 21:09:08 @@ -5453,6 +5453,99 @@ </answer> </qandaentry> + <qandaentry> + <question> + <para>How do I move my system over to my huge new disk?</para> + </question> + + <answer> + <para>The best way is to reinstall the OS on the new + disk, then move the user data over. This is highly + recommended if you've been tracking -stable for more + than one release, or have updated a release instead of + installing a new one. You can install booteasy on both + disks with &man.boot0cfg.8;, and dual boot them until + you are happy with the new configuration. Skip the next + paragraph to find out how to move the data after doing + this.</para> + + <para>Should you decide not to do a fresh install, you + need to partition and label the new disk with either + <filename>/stand/sysinstall</filename>, or &man.fdisk.8; + and &man.disklabel.8;. You should also install booteasy + on both disks with &man.boot0cfg.8;, so that you can + dual boot to the old or new system after the copying + is done. See the <ulink + url="http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/formatting-media/index.html">formatting-media + tutorial</ulink> for details on this process.</para> + + <para>Now you've got the new disk set up, and are ready + to move the data. Unfortunately, you can't just blindly + copy the data. Things like device files (in + <filename>/dev</filename>) and symbolic links tend to + screw that up. You need to use tools that understand + these things, which means &man.dump.8; and &man.tar.1;. I + recommend doing the data moves in single user mode, + but it's not required.</para> + + <para>You should never use anything but &man.dump.8; and + &man.restore.8; to move the root file system. The + &man.tar.1; command may work - then again, it may not. + You should also use &man.dump.8; and &man.restore.8; if + you are moving a single partition to another empty + partition. The sequence of steps to use dump to move + a partitions data to a new partition is:</para> + + <procedure> + <step> + <para>newfs the new partition.</para> + </step> + + <step> + <para>mount it on a temporary mount point.</para> + </step> + + <step> + <para>cd to that directory.</para> + </step> + + <step> + <para>dump the old partition, piping output to the + new one.</para> + </step> + </procedure> + + <para>For example, if you are going to move root to + <filename>/dev/ad1s1a</filename>, with + <filename>/mnt</filename> as the temporary mount point, + it's:</para> + + <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>newfs /dev/ad1s1a</userinput> +&prompt.root; <userinput>mount /dev/ad1s1a</userinput> +&prompt.root; <userinput>cd /mnt</userinput> +&prompt.root; <userinput>dump 0uaf - / | restore xf -</userinput></screen> + + + <para>If you are going to rearrange your partitions - + say, splitting one into two, or combing two into one, + you may find yourself needing to move everything under + a subdirectory to a new location. Since &man.dump.8; works + with file systems, it can't do this. So you use &man.tar.1;. + The general command to move <filename>/old</filename> + to <filename>/new</filename> for &man.tar.1; is:</para> + + <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>(cd /old; tar cf - .) | (cd /new; tar xpf -)</userinput></screen> + + <para>If <filename>/old</filename> has file systems + mounted on that, and you + don't want to move that data or unmount them, you just + add the 'l' flag to the first &man.tar.1;:</para> + + <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>(cd /old; tar clf - .) | (cd /new; tar xpf -).</userinput></screen> + + </answer> + </qandaentry> + </qandaset> </chapter> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 14:43:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns.informador.com.mx (ns.informador.com.mx [148.245.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E335D37B43C for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carlos (customer26-147.telmex.net.mx [148.233.26.147] (may be forged)) by ns.informador.com.mx (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA28648 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:37:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000801c02415$3dd11680$b60110ac@elinformador.com.mx> From: "Carlos Castillo Reyes" <alacran@informador.com.mx> To: <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org> Subject: help!!! Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:45:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C023EB.545C5D80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C023EB.545C5D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please help me, I'm new in freebsd and I want install freebsd system as = gateway, I have 2 netcards, one with private ip and other with public = ip.=20 Tanks for your attention... Atte Carlos Castillo R. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C023EB.545C5D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please help me, I'm new in freebsd and = I want=20 install freebsd system as gateway, I have 2 netcards, one with private = ip and=20 other with public ip. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tanks for your = attention...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Atte Carlos Castillo = R.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C023EB.545C5D80-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 16:30:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D0937B43F for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id QAA01092; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009212330.QAA01092@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Reply-To: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/21443; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:22:00 -0500 (CDT) Ben Smithurst writes: > mwm@mired.org wrote: > > Q: How do I move my system over to my huge new disk? > *grumble* > > It would be really nice if you could send this as an SGML diff to the > FAQ, with correct indentation and everything. ("correct" means what the > FDP Primer says, not what most of the FAQ is. Some of the questions in > the FAQ are correct though, mostly the recent additions.) SGML is great stuff, and I use it all the time. However, when I asked on docs for information on submitting a new FAQ, I got told "just send a PR". I couldn't find anything obvious on how to do it in SGML, other than instructions for joining the doc project. That was distinctly overkill for adding a single FAQ entry; especially when compared to things like the Python FAQ Wizard. So - give me a pointers to a DTD I can install for psgml to use and the primer for formatting, as well as a place to grab the source for just the FAQ, and I'll mark up my text, add it and send a diff. <mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 17:20: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BBF37B446 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id RAA11331; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009220020.RAA11331@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Reply-To: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/21443; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org> To: Oliver Fromme <olli@secnetix.de> Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:12:39 -0500 (CDT) Oliver Fromme writes: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > Since I don't use it, I'm not really willing to recommend it myself > > (ditto for pax and cpio). For a number of reasons, I won't recommend > > using it on the root fs. > I'd suggest that you have a look at the manual page. The tool was > written by Matt Dillon and Dima Ruban specifically for making an > _exact_ copy of a UFS directory tree or file system, including all > hardlinks, softlinks, devicenodes, sockets etc., preserving flags, > permissions and utimes. Oh, I believe it's good stuff. I've worked with both of them before, and know what they can do. However, much more than a pointer in a FAQ entry seems wrong something in the ports tree. > I'm not aware of any reason not to use it for the root FS. The odd stuff in /dev is why the root file system gets special treatment. While other things can handle them, they do change at times. That's why my personal preference is to use dump, which is tightly coupled to the fs structure. I feel it's less likely to be overlooked when these things change. However, the real problem is that cpdup is a port. That means that it isn't automatically updated and rebuilt in the process of doing a make world. Sometimes, the port doesn't even change - but it needs to be recompiled. I've been bit by this with cdrecord, but don't have any alternatives :-(. <mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 17:33: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D6337B440 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13cFUM-000LTl-00; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:10:46 +0100 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26950; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:10:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:10:45 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Carlos Castillo Reyes <alacran@informador.com.mx> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: help!!! Message-ID: <20000922001045.Q30774@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <000801c02415$3dd11680$b60110ac@elinformador.com.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <000801c02415$3dd11680$b60110ac@elinformador.com.mx> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Carlos Castillo Reyes wrote: > Please help me, I'm new in freebsd and I want install freebsd system > as gateway, I have 2 netcards, one with private ip and other with > public ip. The very short and simple answer is "set gateway_enable=YES in /etc/rc.conf" and it should work. You'll have to execute the command 'sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding=1' as root to make the change take effect without a reboot. If your system needs more advanced set-up than this, please direct any future questions to the FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org mailing list. The freebsd-doc mailing list is for discussion of FreeBSD documentation, not for questions about FreeBSD itself. You'll probably find more people in that list willing and able to help you. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 17:33: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD3937B446 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13cFQm-000LTb-00; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:07:04 +0100 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21161; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:07:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:07:04 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Message-ID: <20000922000704.P30774@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <200009211410.HAA68352@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000921141747.A15371@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000921141747.A15371@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brooks Davis wrote: > I've enclosed a diff below. Looks good, thanks. With one minor exception (how did you guess? :-) There should be two spaces after a fullstop, though whichever committer decices to commit this (Mark *did* say he'd take over from me now I'm going to university... :-) can easily fix that. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 18: 5:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3FB737B443; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8M159E30740; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:05:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:05:09 -0700 From: Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Message-ID: <20000921180509.A29671@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <200009211410.HAA68352@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000921141747.A15371@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <20000922000704.P30774@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000922000704.P30774@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 12:07:04AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 12:07:04AM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Looks good, thanks. > > With one minor exception (how did you guess? :-) > > There should be two spaces after a fullstop, though whichever committer > decices to commit this (Mark *did* say he'd take over from me now I'm > going to university... :-) can easily fix that. I've fixed that in the copy on my webpage at: http://www.one-eyed-alien.net/~brooks/FreeBSD/diskcopy-faq.diff -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 19: 9:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from eperke.themail.com (eperke.themail.com [216.64.18.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8FA937B423 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.TheMail.com ([216.64.2.154]) by eperke.themail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA31934 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:09:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jetboy@themail.com) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:09:31 -0500 (EST) From: jetboy@themail.com Message-Id: <200009220209.VAA31934@eperke.themail.com> Received-From: mail.TheMail.com To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Check This Out! 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Best of all, I get paid for reading email! - Check it out for yourself at: http://www.themail.com/ref.htm?ref=703974 TheMail.com PostMaster --___TheMail_81_Boundary___-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 19:40:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from timestone.com.au (hermes.timestone.com.au [203.36.26.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45EC137B422 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [203.36.26.14] (HELO scorpio) by timestone.com.au (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2.4) with SMTP id 630903 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:41:47 +1100 Message-ID: <002801c0243e$8074e290$0e1a24cb@timestone.com.au> From: "Richard Browne" <richb@timestone.com.au> To: <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org> Subject: Diagramming Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:40:42 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A couple of general questions: 1. What tools to people use to generate diagrams suitable for inclusion in SGML docs? 2. How does one include them in SGML docs? Are they normally imported as bitmap files, or is there a better (ie. resolution independent) method? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 21 21:51: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rcpt-expgw.biglobe.ne.jp (rcpt-expgw.biglobe.ne.jp [210.147.6.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE86737B423 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-gw.biglobe.ne.jp by rcpt-expgw.biglobe.ne.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W-00092117) with ESMTP id NAA08375 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:50:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from oemcomputer (211.13.36.107 [211.13.36.107]) by smtp-gw.biglobe.ne.jp id NBOMCAE158CF; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:50:57 +0900 (JST) To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: link <link@mub.biglobe.ne.jp> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:51:02 +0900 Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCO0s+ZTpHQmc1LExPJE4lJiUnJVY3TzpHPzclUyU4JU0lOT5wSnMkRyQ5ISMbKEI=?= X-Mailer: IM2000 Version 1.01 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Message-Id: <0922100135102.2278@oemcomputer> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org $B!z!y!z!y!z@$3&:GBg5i$N%7%g%C%T%s%0%b!<%k$,F|K\>eN&!*!z!y!z!y!z(B 10$B7n%*!<%W%sA0$ND6%l%">pJs$G$9!#(B $B$9$G$K?tI4K|E@$N%"%$%F%`$r<h$jB7$(!"2A3J$NJ}$bBgJQ0B$/Ds6!$5$l$F$$$^$9!#(B $B%7%g%C%T%s%0%a%s%P!<$NEPO?$OL5NA$G$9$N$G!"$*5$7Z$KEPO?$7$F$/$@$5$$!#(B $B:#2s$O<g$K!"%b!<%k%*!<%J!<$H$J$j!"<}1W$r>e$2$i$l$k%S%8%M%9%Q!<%H%J!<$r(B $BJg=8$$$?$7$^$9!#(B $BEPO?5Z$S>\:Y$O2<5-%[!<%`%Z!<%8$r$4Mw2<$5$$!#(B $B"-!!"-!!"-!!"-!!"-!!"-!!"-!!"-!!(B http://www.starmax-japan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 0:21: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9412D37B422; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rse@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id AAA02753; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:21:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rse@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From: <rse@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200009220721.AAA02753@freefall.freebsd.org> To: rse@engelschall.com, rse@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/21428: resurrect SF_ARCHIVED in chflags(2) manpage Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: resurrect SF_ARCHIVED in chflags(2) manpage State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: rse State-Changed-When: Fri Sep 22 00:19:31 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Change committed to 5.0-C/HEAD and 4.1-S/RELENG_4. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=21428 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 3: 3:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from raditex.se (gandalf.raditex.se [192.5.36.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF1837B423 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kaj@localhost) by raditex.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA70839; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:03:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from kaj@raditex.se) X-Authentication-Warning: frodo.sickla.raditex.se: kaj set sender to kaj@raditex.se using -f To: "Richard Browne" <richb@timestone.com.au> Cc: <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Diagramming References: <002801c0243e$8074e290$0e1a24cb@timestone.com.au> From: Rasmus Kaj <kaj@raditex.se> Cc: Rasmus Kaj <kaj@raditex.se> Organization: Raditex AB - http://Raditex.se/ X-Face: M9cR~WYav<"fu%MaslX0`43PAYY?uIsM8[#E(0\Xuy9rj>4gE\h3jm.7DD?]R8*^7T\o&vT U@[53Dwkuup4[0@gw#~kyu>`unH?kVj9CJa02(h>Ki\+i=%rn%sDf^KC.!?IHkKjMAbkd\jgmphp^' d|Q;OeXEAhq?ybGqOs1CHb6TJT42'C`Krnk61//AOfXtNjj/t'`5>Vw0QX!dKfOL$.f+S"LIuwR<;I Z0Qnnx(F^F]o@*V%TUtEV'1Z[TkOl^FFV9Z~A[b19%}uP*,huCU Date: 22 Sep 2000 12:03:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Richard Browne"'s message of "Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:40:42 +1100" Message-ID: <84snqs216s.fsf@frodo.sickla.raditex.se> Lines: 24 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0806 (Gnus v5.8.6) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>> "RB" == Richard Browne <richb@timestone.com.au> writes: RB> A couple of general questions: RB> 1. What tools to people use to generate diagrams suitable for RB> inclusion in SGML docs? I use gnuplot or xfig (or sodipodi when I feel experimental), they can all (with helper apps) make both bitmap formats (gif or png for the web) and eps for print. RB> 2. How does one include them in SGML docs? Are they normally RB> imported as bitmap files, or is there a better (ie. resolution RB> independent) method? Are you talking in the context of the FreeBSD documentation here? In that case, I believe there is work being done to support "document specific images" (check the archives for this list). Otherwise it pretty much depends on which DTD you use ... -- Rasmus Kaj ------------------------ rasmus@kaj.se - http://Raditex.se/~kaj/ \ Pro is to con as progress is to Congress \----------------------------------------------------- http://Raditex.se/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 3:34: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ecngate.ecng.co.uk (ecngate.ecng.co.uk [193.128.139.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB2737B424 for <doc@FreeBSD.org>; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from norex01.ecng.co.uk (ecnwall.ecng.co.uk [193.128.139.225]) by ecngate.ecng.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01374 for <doc@FreeBSD.org>; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:35:43 GMT Received: by NOREX01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <S65L78DW>; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:33:26 +0100 Message-ID: <11AB46936C37D2118B7C0008C7246A5D021184BC@NOREX01> From: "Deegan, Eddy" <Eddy.Deegan@ecng.co.uk> To: "'doc@FreeBSD.org'" <doc@FreeBSD.org> Subject: static_routes in rc.conf Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:33:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I want to use static_routes in rc.conf on release 4 to configure two predefined entries in the routing table autmatically on bootup. I tried various combinations of "destination gateway" strings but it's not seeming to work. Cutting and pasting the code out of rc.network reveals the eval statement therein which, fankly seems bizarre. I can't make head nor tail of what it's supposed to be doing. I cam completely unable to find any useful documentation on this feature on the freeBSD site, only oblique references to it being a feature for routers and multihomed machines (mine is neither but I want to configure a static route to an IP behind a firewall). What I actually want to achieve is to have the system set an equivalent to "route add 128.98.200.22 193.128.139.225" on bootup. Sure I could hack my own entry into rc.network but I want to use the standard mechanism. I just can't figure it out. Help?! -- Eddy Deegan BSc., New Media Systems Consultant MCSE / Sun Certified Solaris Administrator Eastern Counties Newspapers Ltd, Norwich, Norfolk, UK. Phone (Office): +44 (0) 1603 772623 http://www.ecn.co.uk eddy@deegan.com / http://eddy.deegan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 3:45:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from raditex.se (gandalf.raditex.se [192.5.36.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044CC37B423 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kaj@localhost) by raditex.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA70881; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:45:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from kaj@raditex.se) X-Authentication-Warning: frodo.sickla.raditex.se: kaj set sender to kaj@raditex.se using -f To: "Deegan, Eddy" <Eddy.Deegan@ecng.co.uk> Cc: "'doc@FreeBSD.org'" <doc@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: static_routes in rc.conf References: <11AB46936C37D2118B7C0008C7246A5D021184BC@NOREX01> From: Rasmus Kaj <kaj@raditex.se> Cc: Rasmus Kaj <kaj@raditex.se> Organization: Raditex AB - http://Raditex.se/ X-Face: M9cR~WYav<"fu%MaslX0`43PAYY?uIsM8[#E(0\Xuy9rj>4gE\h3jm.7DD?]R8*^7T\o&vT U@[53Dwkuup4[0@gw#~kyu>`unH?kVj9CJa02(h>Ki\+i=%rn%sDf^KC.!?IHkKjMAbkd\jgmphp^' d|Q;OeXEAhq?ybGqOs1CHb6TJT42'C`Krnk61//AOfXtNjj/t'`5>Vw0QX!dKfOL$.f+S"LIuwR<;I Z0Qnnx(F^F]o@*V%TUtEV'1Z[TkOl^FFV9Z~A[b19%}uP*,huCU Date: 22 Sep 2000 12:45:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Deegan, Eddy"'s message of "Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:33:24 +0100" Message-ID: <84og1g1z9i.fsf@frodo.sickla.raditex.se> Lines: 31 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0806 (Gnus v5.8.6) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>> "DE" == Deegan, Eddy <Eddy.Deegan@ecng.co.uk> writes: DE> I want to use static_routes in rc.conf on release 4 to configure DE> two predefined entries in the routing table autmatically on DE> bootup. I tried various combinations of "destination gateway" DE> strings but it's not seeming to work. Cutting and pasting the DE> code out of rc.network reveals the eval statement therein which, DE> fankly seems bizarre. I can't make head nor tail of what it's DE> supposed to be doing. The suff is "two-leveled", to make it easy to have multiple static routes. Try something like this: static_routes="foo bar" route_foo="128.98.200.22 193.128.139.225" route_bar="10.47.11.17 193.128.139.224" export route_foo route_bar I used two static routes in the example to show the point of having it this way, of course, it works well with just one route also ... Isn't there an example of this somewhere? There should be. Maybe it got lost in the split of rc.conf to /etc/rc.conf and /etc/defaults/rc.conf ..? -- Rasmus Kaj ------------------------ rasmus@kaj.se - http://Raditex.se/~kaj/ \ Write down the problem - Get some coffee - Write down the solution \----------------------------------------------------- http://Raditex.se/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 8: 6:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A106637B424; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA26754; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:06:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:06:19 -0700 (PDT) From: <asmodai@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200009221506.IAA26754@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mdharnois@home.com, asmodai@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/21005: burncd.sh is obsolete Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: burncd.sh is obsolete State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: asmodai State-Changed-When: Fri Sep 22 08:05:48 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: File removed from both RELENG_4 and CURRENT. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=21005 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 8:57:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from big.innet.yaroslavl.su (big.innet.yaroslavl.su [193.124.252.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F4837B424 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tac.innet.yaroslavl.su (tac.innet.yaroslavl.su [194.190.103.68]) by big.innet.yaroslavl.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA71452 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:57:07 +0400 (MSD) Received: from vsevolod.indi.vid (ppp112i.yaroslavl.su [213.24.163.112]) by tac.innet.yaroslavl.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14402 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:57:05 +0400 (MSD) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:56:10 +0400 From: "Vsevolod E. Shorin" <vsevolod@individ.ru> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <0830.000922@individ.ru> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ - wrong info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.freebsd.org/ports/ Download a gzip'd tar file of all 3918 ports (about 8 megabytes) Length: 10,324,428 Looks much more like 10 megabytes :) Vsevolod E. Shorin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 9:26:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from Gloria.CAM.ORG (Gloria.CAM.ORG [205.151.116.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA18837B423; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (intmktg@localhost) by Gloria.CAM.ORG (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32240; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:29:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:29:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Tardif <intmktg@CAM.ORG> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: ssh and rsa lib Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10009221221370.32214-100000@Gloria.CAM.ORG> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I installed FreeBSD_4.1-RELEASE with base crypto and ssh returns: ** R_RandomInit: Unable to find an RSAREF shared library (librsaref.so). ** Install the /usr/ports/security/rsaref port or package and run this ** program again. See the OpenSSL chapter in the FreeBSD Handbook, located at ** http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/openssl.html, for more information. After visiting the suggested url, I find out that "the sysinstall utility will automatically select the correct version to install during the installation process." Since I got the above message, I think the wrong version was selected (I'm located in Canada). Anyways, the url then continues to say I "add the international RSA library after installation as a package." Next thing you know, I can't find the package in: /pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.1-RELEASE/packages/security What else can I do? Should I download the security ports and install from there? If so, should the openssl.html page be changed accordingly? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 9:54:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875DD37B42C; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id JAA61356; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:54:19 -0700 (PDT) From: <jkh@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200009221654.JAA61356@freefall.freebsd.org> To: amagai@nue.org, jkh@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/20919: bug in INSTALL.TXT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: bug in INSTALL.TXT State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jkh State-Changed-When: Fri Sep 22 09:53:08 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: This should work now as part of the changes billf made to the ftp search code. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20919 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 9:54:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6F437B423 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Reginaleemisa@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id n.6b.a0004eb (4004); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:54:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Reginaleemisa@aol.com Message-ID: <6b.a0004eb.26fce8d3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:54:43 EDT Subject: I need to know how to download JDK1.3 on to my gateway computer. To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: berenglee@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 68 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is my e-mail address, berenglee@hotmail.com. Please send me instructions along with the correct website where I may download this java compiler program a.s.a.p. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 10:18:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64C537B423; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id TAA02855; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:19:05 +0200 (MEST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13cWSz-0006ui-00; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:18:29 +0200 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:18:29 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam <sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> To: Marc Tardif <intmktg@CAM.ORG> Cc: kris@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh and rsa lib Message-ID: <20000922191829.A25819@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: Marc Tardif <intmktg@CAM.ORG>, kris@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10009221221370.32214-100000@Gloria.CAM.ORG> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10009221221370.32214-100000@Gloria.CAM.ORG>; from intmktg@CAM.ORG on Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 12:29:16PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 12:29:16PM -0400, Marc Tardif wrote: > I installed FreeBSD_4.1-RELEASE with base crypto and ssh returns: > ** R_RandomInit: Unable to find an RSAREF shared library (librsaref.so). > ** Install the /usr/ports/security/rsaref port or package and run this > ** program again. See the OpenSSL chapter in the FreeBSD Handbook, located at > ** http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/openssl.html, for more information. Hello! Maybe you should try it with the ports. It is in /usr/ports/security/librsaintl, and at least the Hungarian mirror still has it in pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles. BTW the Handbook says the package can be found on ftp.internat.freebsd.org, which indeed has a directory named pub/librsaintl with a C file in it. I do not know if this directory is mirrored on any FreeBSD mirrors though. (And have never used the package) As for the Handbook, I think we should re-word it anyway now that the RSA algorithm has been released and the crypto stuff got merged into the base distro. People with 4.1.1 or later will need to know this. Kris, what is your opinion? Also, on a side note, sysinstall, too needs some rewording, because it still says on my -CURRENT system from today, under "Distributions" : "CRYPTO - Not for export!" which, unless I am mistaken, is no longer the case... If we can sort the Handbook part out, I can volunteer to submit a diff... -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 10:40:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2060137B424 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.253.84.33]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000922174018.BKMF19709.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:40:18 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8MHe0B02281; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:40:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:40:00 +0100 From: Mark Ovens <marko@freebsd.org> To: Steve Roome <steve@sse0691.bri.hp.com> Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: signal 11 faq entry Message-ID: <20000922184000.C258@parish> References: <20000919165723.D8111@moose.bri.hp.com> <20000919185552.B12114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <39C7AA8F.A2647C8A@thehousleys.net> <20000920024102.G257@parish> <20000922133327.Y8111@moose.bri.hp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20000922133327.Y8111@moose.bri.hp.com>; from steve@sse0691.bri.hp.com on Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 01:33:27PM +0100 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 01:33:27PM +0100, Steve Roome wrote: > > Okay, here's a diff, with those changes I put in, slight differently > and possibly more grammatically correct. > [snip] > + > + <listitem> > + <para>Dodgy memory: If you have multiple memory SIMMS/DIMMS installed > + then pull them all out and try running the machine with each SIMM or > + DIMM individually and narrow the problem down to either the problematic > + DIMM/SIMM or perhaps even a combination. ^^^^^^^^ Excellent, apart from the closing <para> tag missing :) OK, I've applied your patch and posted the modified section at http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/book.html and the SGML source for the whole FAQ as http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/book.sgml.gz If I get no feedback then I'll commit it in about an hour (so it make 4.1.1). We can always change it again later. Thanks for the contribution. > + </listitem> > + -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 10:51:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E1137B424; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.253.84.33]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000922175124.SRXN16640.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:51:24 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8MHp6402410; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:51:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:51:05 +0100 From: Mark Ovens <marko@freebsd.org> To: Ben Smithurst <ben@freebsd.org> Cc: Brooks Davis <brooks@one-eyed-alien.net>, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Message-ID: <20000922185105.D258@parish> References: <200009211410.HAA68352@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000921141747.A15371@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <20000922000704.P30774@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20000922000704.P30774@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@freebsd.org on Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 12:07:04AM +0100 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 12:07:04AM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Brooks Davis wrote: > > > I've enclosed a diff below. > > Looks good, thanks. > > With one minor exception (how did you guess? :-) > > There should be two spaces after a fullstop, though whichever committer > decices to commit this (Mark *did* say he'd take over from me now I'm > going to university... :-) can easily fix that. > And there was me expecting a final flurry of activity from you Ben before you departed to the SU bar :). Seriously, I'll commit it. I've got a largish commit to do for the FAQ (in ~1 hour) so I'll do it after that. > -- > Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 11:42: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5828537B423; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from marko@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA93409; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:42:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:42:03 -0700 (PDT) From: <marko@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200009221842.LAA93409@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mwm@mired.org, marko@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/21443: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: I'm tired of telling people how to copy a disk. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: marko State-Changed-When: Fri Sep 22 11:41:02 PDT 2000 State-Changed-Why: Committed (with the reference to cpio that was missing from the diff). Thanks!! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=21443 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 11:59: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.6.9.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF4237B423; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andom1.an.hp.com (andom1.an.hp.com [15.4.128.104]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C610C5A6; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (mina.soco.agilent.com [141.121.54.157]) by andom1.an.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C6011F; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.soco.agilent.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.0) with ESMTP id LAA19417; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009221859.LAA19417@mina.soco.agilent.com> To: Mark Ovens <marko@FreeBSD.ORG> Cc: Steve Roome <steve@sse0691.bri.hp.com>, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: signal 11 faq entry Reply-To: Darryl Okahata <darrylo@soco.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:40:00 BST." <20000922184000.C258@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.5) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:58:58 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata <darrylo@soco.agilent.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Ovens <marko@FreeBSD.ORG> wrote: > > + <para>Dodgy memory: If you have multiple memory SIMMS/DIMMS installed Minor nit: isn't "dodgy" a British slang word? I'm slightly concerned that non-native english speakers might have trouble understanding "dodgy" (e.g., is "dodgy" understandable to people in Germany and Japan?). -- Darryl ("Been watching too many British shows") Okahata darrylo@soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 13:57:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B4A37B639; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id WAA11931; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:49:13 +0200 (MEST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13cZkC-0007Tw-00; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:48:28 +0200 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:48:28 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam <sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: marko@freebsd.org Subject: FAQ is broken... Message-ID: <20000922224828.A28248@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, marko@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everybody! The FAQ is now broken due to a recent commit by Mark Ovens (he has been CC-d on this). Patch follows: --- ./books/faq/book.sgml~ Fri Sep 22 21:38:14 2000 +++ ./books/faq/book.sgml Fri Sep 22 22:11:51 2000 @@ -3285,7 +3285,7 @@ <para>Dodgy memory: If you have multiple memory SIMMS/DIMMS installed then pull them all out and try running the machine with each SIMM or DIMM individually and narrow the problem down to either the problematic - DIMM/SIMM or perhaps even a combination. + DIMM/SIMM or perhaps even a combination.</para> </listitem> (A closing </PARA> is missing.) Happy partying, the weekend is here! -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 15: 4:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B6337B422; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA35892; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:04:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:04:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway <kris@FreeBSD.org> To: Szilveszter Adam <sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Cc: Marc Tardif <intmktg@CAM.ORG>, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh and rsa lib In-Reply-To: <20000922191829.A25819@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0009221500340.34783-100000@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Szilveszter Adam wrote: > On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 12:29:16PM -0400, Marc Tardif wrote: > > I installed FreeBSD_4.1-RELEASE with base crypto and ssh returns: > > ** R_RandomInit: Unable to find an RSAREF shared library (librsaref.so). > > ** Install the /usr/ports/security/rsaref port or package and run this > > ** program again. See the OpenSSL chapter in the FreeBSD Handbook, located at > > ** http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/openssl.html, for more information. > > Hello! > > Maybe you should try it with the ports. It is in > /usr/ports/security/librsaintl, and at least the Hungarian mirror still has it > in pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles. BTW the Handbook says the package can be > found on ftp.internat.freebsd.org, which indeed has a directory named > pub/librsaintl with a C file in it. I do not know if this directory is > mirrored on any FreeBSD mirrors though. (And have never used the package) The port has been removed since the ports collection tracks -stable and -current, and rsaintl isn't required there any longer. The openssl chapter is a little out of date, but still tells you the correct things to do: install the librsaintl package (if you can find it), or the port. > As for the Handbook, I think we should re-word it anyway now that the RSA > algorithm has been released and the crypto stuff got merged into the base > distro. People with 4.1.1 or later will need to know this. > > Kris, what is your opinion? > > Also, on a side note, sysinstall, too needs some rewording, because it still > says on my -CURRENT system from today, under "Distributions" : "CRYPTO - > Not for export!" which, unless I am mistaken, is no longer the case... > > If we can sort the Handbook part out, I can volunteer to submit a diff... I have patches for the handbook which I'll commit today and which bring all of the docs about crypto up to date - I just need to rewrite part of my rewrite now that -stable has improved password algorithm selection code. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe <forsythe@alum.mit.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 16:41:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3574A37B423; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 16:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13ccRn-000NCm-00; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:41:39 +0100 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA91086; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:41:39 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:41:38 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Szilveszter Adam <sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, marko@freebsd.org, nik@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FAQ is broken... Message-ID: <20000923004138.V30774@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000922224828.A28248@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000922224828.A28248@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Szilveszter Adam wrote: > DIMM individually and narrow the problem down to either the problematic > - DIMM/SIMM or perhaps even a combination. > + DIMM/SIMM or perhaps even a combination.</para> > </listitem> Fixed, thanks. By the way, Nik, "make lint" didn't seem to catch this error. Is there anything you/we can do about that? -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 17:32: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D607137B422 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.253.91.22]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000923013053.UWME23965.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:30:53 +0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8N0VgQ00741; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:31:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:31:42 +0100 From: Mark Ovens <marko@freebsd.org> To: Szilveszter Adam <sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FAQ is broken... Message-ID: <20000923013141.A257@parish> References: <20000922224828.A28248@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20000922224828.A28248@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu>; from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu on Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 10:48:28PM +0200 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 10:48:28PM +0200, Szilveszter Adam wrote: > Hi everybody! > > The FAQ is now broken due to a recent commit by Mark Ovens (he has been CC-d > on this). > Arghh! Mea culpa. I spotted that too. I patched and re-built my local copy of the FAQ (and even e-mailed the originator) but managed to commit the broken patch. My sincere apologies. Thanks to Ben for fixing it. [looks for hole to crawl into] > Patch follows: > > --- ./books/faq/book.sgml~ Fri Sep 22 21:38:14 2000 > +++ ./books/faq/book.sgml Fri Sep 22 22:11:51 2000 > @@ -3285,7 +3285,7 @@ > <para>Dodgy memory: If you have multiple memory SIMMS/DIMMS installed > then pull them all out and try running the machine with each SIMM or > DIMM individually and narrow the problem down to either the problematic > - DIMM/SIMM or perhaps even a combination. > + DIMM/SIMM or perhaps even a combination.</para> > </listitem> > > (A closing </PARA> is missing.) > > Happy partying, the weekend is here! > > -- > Regards: > > Szilveszter ADAM > Szeged University > Szeged Hungary > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 17:41:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE3837B43C for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.253.91.22]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000923014005.UWYQ23965.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:40:05 +0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8N0esP00815; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:40:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:40:53 +0100 From: Mark Ovens <marko@freebsd.org> To: Darryl Okahata <darrylo@soco.agilent.com> Cc: Steve Roome <steve@sse0691.bri.hp.com>, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: signal 11 faq entry Message-ID: <20000923014053.C257@parish> References: <20000922184000.C258@parish> <200009221859.LAA19417@mina.soco.agilent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200009221859.LAA19417@mina.soco.agilent.com>; from darrylo@soco.agilent.com on Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 11:58:58AM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 11:58:58AM -0700, Darryl Okahata wrote: > Mark Ovens <marko@FreeBSD.ORG> wrote: > > > > + <para>Dodgy memory: If you have multiple memory SIMMS/DIMMS installed > > Minor nit: isn't "dodgy" a British slang word? I'm slightly > concerned that non-native english speakers might have trouble > understanding "dodgy" (e.g., is "dodgy" understandable to people in > Germany and Japan?). > Yes, point taken (although someone with a -0700 timezone was involved in the discussions and didn't pick up on it). If you can you suggest a better choice of word I'll gladly change it. > -- > Darryl ("Been watching too many British shows") Okahata > darrylo@soco.agilent.com > > DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not > constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or > of the little green men that have been following him all day. -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 21:42:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5477E37B424; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13cdi6-000NGu-00; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:02:34 +0100 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA99266; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:02:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:02:34 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Mark Ovens <marko@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FAQ is broken... Message-ID: <20000923020234.Y30774@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000922224828.A28248@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> <20000923013141.A257@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000923013141.A257@parish> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Ovens wrote: > My sincere apologies. Thanks to Ben for fixing it. No problem, I've got to commit as much as I can before I go to uni anyway. ;-) -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Sep 22 21:43: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BF937B423; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13cddU-000NGe-00; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:57:48 +0100 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA92630; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:57:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:57:48 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst <ben@FreeBSD.org> To: Mark Ovens <marko@freebsd.org> Cc: Darryl Okahata <darrylo@soco.agilent.com>, Steve Roome <steve@sse0691.bri.hp.com>, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: signal 11 faq entry Message-ID: <20000923015748.X30774@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000922184000.C258@parish> <200009221859.LAA19417@mina.soco.agilent.com> <20000923014053.C257@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000923014053.C257@parish> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Ovens wrote: > Yes, point taken (although someone with a -0700 timezone was involved in > the discussions and didn't pick up on it). If you can you suggest a better > choice of word I'll gladly change it. "faulty". Or perhaps "poor quality", since "dodgy" to me implies that it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't, while "faulty" would imply that it never works. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Sep 23 16:31:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED05A37B43E; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id BAA07867; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:31:47 +0200 (MEST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 13cylE-0002rn-00; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:31:12 +0200 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:31:12 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam <sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: will@freebsd.org Subject: Handbook broken Message-ID: <20000924013112.A10871@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, will@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello everybody! Tonight, for a change, we bring you a Handbook breakage. It was caused by a commit done by Will Andrews (CC-d) when he added the Lithuanian FTP mirror. Patch follows for /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml --- ./books/handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml.orig Sun Sep 24 01:22:07 2000 +++ ./books/handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml Sun Sep 24 01:20:57 2000 @@ -489,7 +489,7 @@ </varlistentry> <varlistentry> - <term><anchor id="mirrors-lt"> + <term><anchor id="mirrors-lt">Lithuania</term> <listitem> <para>In case of problems, please contact the hostmaster <email>hostmaster@lt.FreeBSD.org</email> for this domain.</para> (Probably incomplete commit.) BTW I will soon submit a PR with patch for the Hungarian mirror because we are still not in there... (ftp.hu.freebsd.org) Have fun! -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Sep 23 20:34:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from puck.firepipe.net (mcut-b-167.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.209.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851ED37B43C for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 20:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by puck.firepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7A0CA1A25; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:29:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:29:54 -0500 From: Will Andrews <will@physics.purdue.edu> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: Szilveszter Adam <sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Subject: Re: Handbook broken Message-ID: <20000923222954.V1054@puck.firepipe.net> Reply-To: Will Andrews <will@physics.purdue.edu> References: <20000924013112.A10871@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20000924013112.A10871@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu>; from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu on Sun, Sep 24, 2000 at 01:31:12AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Sep 24, 2000 at 01:31:12AM +0200, Szilveszter Adam wrote: > Tonight, for a change, we bring you a Handbook breakage. It was caused by a > commit done by Will Andrews (CC-d) when he added the Lithuanian FTP mirror. Argh! Ok, apologies to the -doc guys and everyone else. /me karma drops a couple points. :( > --- ./books/handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml.orig Sun Sep 24 01:22:07 2000 > +++ ./books/handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml Sun Sep 24 01:20:57 2000 > @@ -489,7 +489,7 @@ > </varlistentry> > <varlistentry> > - <term><anchor id="mirrors-lt"> > + <term><anchor id="mirrors-lt">Lithuania</term> > <listitem> > <para>In case of problems, please contact the hostmaster > <email>hostmaster@lt.FreeBSD.org</email> for this domain.</para> > > (Probably incomplete commit.) Thanks for the diff, will test it. > BTW I will soon submit a PR with patch for the Hungarian mirror because we > are still not in there... (ftp.hu.freebsd.org) What is the information I need? I will add this with the fix (which, *THIS TIME*, will be tested on a fresh cvs checkout of doc/, which I did not have at the time I committed this yesterday). -- Will Andrews <will@physics.purdue.edu> <will@FreeBSD.org> GCS/E/S @d- s+:+ a--- C++ UB++++$ P+ L- E--- W+ N-- !o ?K w--- O- M+ V- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X+ R+ tv+ b++ DI+++ D+ G++ e>++++ h! r- y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message