From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 17 7: 5:55 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 17 07:05:51 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from osiris.ipform.ru (osiris.ipform.ru [212.158.165.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B1B37B400; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:05:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from wp2 (wp2 [192.168.0.12]) by osiris.ipform.ru (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id eBHF5V320402; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:05:36 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from matrix@ipform.ru) Message-ID: <003e01c0683a$cfad3200$0c00a8c0@ipform.ru> From: "Artem Koutchine" To: Cc: Subject: CD detection from a c program Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:05:29 +0300 Organization: IP Form MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I need to write the following program (it might be a daemon as well): 1) Sit and wait for a CD to be inserted 2) If CD is an AUDIO cd then DO THING1 (play cd) 3) if a CD is a DATA cd then DO THING2 (scan for mp3s, run mp3 player) 4) is a CD is an OTHER cd type the DO THING3 (play video?, nuts..) 5) If CD is ejected then do THING4 I have no problems with the THINGS :) But i do have trouble with 1) Detecting the moment when a cd is inserted. Is there some kind of event? Or must I poll the drive every second? 2) Detecting the type of CD. I have no clue how to do it. 3) Detecting the moment when the user press the eject button But that is not all of it. For the item (3) i have to MOUNT the CD in order to read the files, but if i mount it, it will be locked, so the EJECT button will not be usable. So, there are two ways to avoid it: 1) Have an event when EJECT button pressed on the drive 2) Do not lock the drive when disk mounted (is it possible?) In case if you wonder why i need all of it I am building a home multimedia system. It is pentium mmx based, w/o monitor, all output goes to the LCD display on the from pannel (20x4), a little keyboard is attach on the from pannel (custom made but fully PS/2 compatible), also, IR control is available via IRDA port. No fans, very quite, one HDD which is powered down automatically after the boot and whenever not needed. One LM7001 bases ISA FM card. The hardware is ready and tested by now. Now I have to do the software. I think this will be the first time such thing is done using FreeBSD. Regards, Artem To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 17 13:10:58 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 17 13:10:55 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from news.lucky.net (news.lucky.net [193.193.193.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D3B37B400 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:10:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mail@localhost) by news.lucky.net (8.Who.Cares/8.Who.Cares) id XEE24987 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:10:50 +0200 (envelope-from news@news.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua) From: "Lord T!me" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: DEC 205A-B netcard Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:45:33 +0200 Organization: PW Message-ID: <3A3CB56D.2C2D08D3@viii.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: igloo.uran.net.ua 977057127 11211 10.100.84.27 (17 Dec 2000 12:45:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Sender: news@news.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I have biig trouble with old DEC Etherworks ISA card. with FreeBSD 4.X (not tested at earlier vesions) used in config le0 at isa? irq 5 port 0x300 iomem 0xd0000 iosiz 0x800 when compiled kernel and booting up it detects card as i wanted - without any error, detects MAC address , Chip etc which mean that it configured correctly then after all netdevices detected it displays le0 XXX: driver didn't set ifq_maxlen i looked at source code for this message within if.c - when driver didn't set ifq_maxlen it assigns this parameter to default . then interface displays when ifconfig invoked ! so kernel can see it. but when i'm just trying to assign inet adrr to interface (with ifconfig le0 inet NNN.NNN.NNN.NNN ) kernel faults with page fault trap 12: supervisor read page not present as i see it cannot find memory addrr associated to netcard .. but if i'm trying to assign other addrr its telling me - cannot assign because adapter configured to use 0xd0000 .. please help - how to setup this stuff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 18 5:54:18 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 05:54:17 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from excalibur.dotcom.fr (ns.dotcom.fr [195.154.74.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FFE37B400 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 05:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from IPricot.com (pc181.fr.ipricot.com [192.168.31.181]) by excalibur.dotcom.fr (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25273 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:54:14 GMT X-To: Sender: roman@IPricot.com Message-ID: <3A3E1705.7F248BB1@IPricot.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:54:13 +0100 From: Roman Le Houelleur Organization: dotcom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1-20000912-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: ether card for dummynet References: <3.0.3.32.20001215182132.015b0640@embt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom Embt wrote: > > I haven't had experience with building bridges, but as far as general NICs > suitable for FreeBSD, this question has been asked before. The Intel > Etherexpress stuff is about the best 10/100 card you'll find. Several > "good" cards are made from the PNIC 82c169 chipset, including the Kingston > KNE-110TX and the NetGear FA-310TX. One bonus to the FA310TX is that it > has _five_ status LEDs on the back, and the Kingston has four. Most cards > have three, or even two. Just these little things that you notice... I > personally would avoid the Realtek based stuff. > > Current prices on http://www.mwave.com (love that place) Thanks for the answer and link (pretty good indeed). But reading at the dc manual page it seems that the 82c169 chipset is not so good, I'm a bit afraid by the BUG section... Looks like it runs some of the same problems that make the realtek a "bad" chipset. I'll have look at the mailing list archive to find out for some advices. Thanks again, Roman. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 18 6:29:44 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 06:29:42 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ifour.com.br (unknown [200.236.148.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EEA7337B400 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 06:29:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 43646 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2000 11:37:15 -0000 Received: from port01.tdnet.com.br (HELO ifour.com.br) (200.236.148.101) by midas.ifour.com.br with SMTP; 18 Dec 2000 11:37:15 -0000 Sender: grios@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3A3E02D3.69675FF9@ifour.com.br> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:28:03 +0000 From: Gustavo Vieira Goncalves Coelho Rios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: video board Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org May some one here suggest a good quality (but not so expensive) video board to be used with Freebsd+X! My one is crashing my box, so i need to get a new model. Currently i am using Diamond Multimedia Systems, Inc. Stealth 3D 4000 Ver. 1.00 (chipset is S3 virge GX2). i am seeking one board that can do 1024x1280 and 16 or more bits of color. Thanks for your time and cooperation. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 18 7:37:35 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 18 07:37:28 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D4837B400; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:37:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1CC3F5747B; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:37:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:37:28 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: Artem Koutchine Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD detection from a c program Message-ID: <20001218093728.B66439@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" References: <003e01c0683a$cfad3200$0c00a8c0@ipform.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <003e01c0683a$cfad3200$0c00a8c0@ipform.ru>; from matrix@ipform.ru on Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 06:05:29PM +0300 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: keichii@peorth.iteration.net Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Dec 17, 2000 at 06:05:29PM +0300, Artem Koutchine scribbled: | 1) Sit and wait for a CD to be inserted | 2) If CD is an AUDIO cd then DO THING1 (play cd) | 3) if a CD is a DATA cd then DO THING2 (scan for mp3s, run mp3 player) | 4) is a CD is an OTHER cd type the DO THING3 (play video?, nuts..) | 5) If CD is ejected then do THING4 | | I have no problems with the THINGS :) But i do have | trouble with | 1) Detecting the moment when a cd is inserted. Is there some | kind of event? Or must I poll the drive every second? | 2) Detecting the type of CD. I have no clue how to do it. | 3) Detecting the moment when the user press the eject button Please see the cdcontrol(8) source, or the code in ports/audio/grip and the code in mount(8) -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 19 2:22: 3 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 02:22:01 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D86A37B400 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:22:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.11.243.26] (helo=Debug) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 148JuB-00044i-00; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:21:59 +0000 To: hardware@freebsd.org From: Cliff Sarginson Subject: Any Opinions on this PC spec ? Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:21:59 GMT X-Mailer: www.webmail.nl.demon.net X-Sender: postmaster@btvs.demon.nl X-Originating-IP: 192.250.24.58 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org - ASUS A7V Socket A motherboard - Amd Duron 700Mhz - 256MB SDRAM 133Mhz - SIS 8Mb AGP Video card - Maxtor DiamondMAX 20.4Gb U-DMA100 5400rpm ~ - Could buy a 7200 rpm disk (SCSI is out of the question) - A better video card ? (I know nothing about video cards !) Will also need a DVD player, any recommendations ? Thanks .. Cliff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 19 2:36: 5 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 02:36:03 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from excalibur.dotcom.fr (ns.dotcom.fr [195.154.74.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF8437B698 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 02:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from IPricot.com (pc181.fr.ipricot.com [192.168.31.181]) by excalibur.dotcom.fr (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA10983; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:35:04 GMT Sender: roman@IPricot.com Message-ID: <3A3F39D8.177B1E05@IPricot.com> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:35:04 +0100 From: Roman Le Houelleur Organization: dotcom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1-20000912-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cliff Sarginson Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any Opinions on this PC spec ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cliff Sarginson wrote: > > - ASUS A7V Socket A motherboard > - Amd Duron 700Mhz > - 256MB SDRAM 133Mhz > - SIS 8Mb AGP Video card > - Maxtor DiamondMAX 20.4Gb > U-DMA100 5400rpm > ~ > - Could buy a 7200 rpm disk (SCSI is out of the question) > - A better video card ? (I know nothing about video cards !) > > Will also need a DVD player, any recommendations ? I've had many problems with the SIS card and XFree 3.3.6, I don't know much about Xfree 4.0.1 but I think you would better go with a low end ATI card, any xpert will do the job. Moreover an ATI card may help you in the DVD decoding process... Roman. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 19 3:34:22 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 03:34:20 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6CC437B402 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 03:34:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.11.243.26] (helo=Debug) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 148L29-000IiQ-00; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:34:17 +0000 To: hardware@freebsd.org From: Cliff Sarginson Subject: Another PC spec, withing my price. Opinions ? Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:34:17 GMT X-Mailer: www.webmail.nl.demon.net X-Sender: postmaster@btvs.demon.nl X-Originating-IP: 192.250.24.58 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ASUS A7V Socket A moederbord AMD Duron 750Mhz 256Mb SDRAM 133MHz ASUS V7100 32MB Geforce 2MX Maxtor DiamondMAX+ 20.4Gb U-DMA100 7200rpm Pioneer 16xDVD 40xCDROM Soundblaster LIVE! VALUE ~ Cliff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 19 12: 8:49 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 12:08:48 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43BB37B400 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:08:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from eischen@localhost) by pcnet1.pcnet.com (8.8.7/PCNet) id PAA29596 for hardware@freebsd.org; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:08:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 15:08:26 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen Message-Id: <200012192008.PAA29596@pcnet1.pcnet.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: External rack-mounted SCSI subsystem? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Any good pointers for a 2U-4U 19" rackmounted SCSI enclosure? I don't want any CPU/motherboard, just an external SCSI subsystem with removable SCSI shuttles (Ultra F/W) and internal power supply. 4 drive bays would be more than sufficient. This isn't for RAID either. We just need to be able to easily boot a system in either a classified or unclassified mode (depending on what drives are installed in the enclosure). Thanks, -- Dan Eischen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 19 18:48:48 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 18:48:46 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from bastion.energex.com.au (bastion.energex.com.au [147.209.142.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753D337B400 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by bastion.energex.com.au; (8.8.8/GJW030998a) id MAA08887; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:48:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from newman.energex.com.au(147.209.206.13) by bastion.energex.com.au via smap (smtp gateway apd20000403a) id xma011050; Wed, 20 Dec 00 12:48:34 +1000 Received: from dux.seqeb.gov.au (unverified) by newman.seqeb.gov.au (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with SMTP id ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:39:26 +1000 Received: from ntco99.seqeb.gov.au by dux.seqeb.gov.au (8.8.8/apd19991206a) id MAA0000023365; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:39:25 +1000 (EST) Received: by ntco99.seqeb.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:39:24 +1000 Message-ID: From: COLLINS Patrick To: "'Daniel Eischen'" , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: RE: External rack-mounted SCSI subsystem? Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:39:19 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We use and enjoy Andataco products. http://www.andataco.com -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Eischen [mailto:eischen@vigrid.com] Sent: Wednesday, 20 December 2000 6:08 AM To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: External rack-mounted SCSI subsystem? Any good pointers for a 2U-4U 19" rackmounted SCSI enclosure? I don't want any CPU/motherboard, just an external SCSI subsystem with removable SCSI shuttles (Ultra F/W) and internal power supply. 4 drive bays would be more than sufficient. This isn't for RAID either. We just need to be able to easily boot a system in either a classified or unclassified mode (depending on what drives are installed in the enclosure). 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 19 19:46:47 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 19:46:46 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cs1.cityscope.net (cs1.cityscope.net [206.222.183.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A4C37B400 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:46:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from cityscope.net (pvc62.cityscope.net [209.16.17.62]) by cs1.cityscope.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23231 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:46:45 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3A402C1D.81CA5E72@cityscope.net> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:48:45 -0600 From: Ingrid Kast Fuller Reply-To: ingrid@cityscope.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD BDP81800 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Riser Card Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are there any known problems with FreeBSD working with riser card situations. I'm getting a scsi card timeout when we setup the 2940 SCSI card on a riser card in a 2U rackmount case. The SCSI card worked fine in the mini-tower. We also tried a newer 2940 SCSI card and still get the same timeout. -- *********************************************************************** Ingrid Kast Fuller CityScope Net Announces 56K & ISDN CityScope Net NATIONWIDE INTERNET ACCESS 1 281-998-CITY (2489) http://www.cityscope.net/nationwide.html *********************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 19 20:13:28 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 20:13:27 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from anaconda.acceleratedweb.net (anaconda.acceleratedweb.net [209.51.164.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F34437B400 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:13:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22291 invoked by uid 106); 20 Dec 2000 04:18:30 -0000 Received: from 24-168-46-57.nyc.rr.com (HELO sharky) (24.168.46.57) by anaconda.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 04:18:30 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" , "ingrid@cityscope.net" Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:17:30 -0500 Reply-To: "Simon" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <3A402C1D.81CA5E72@cityscope.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Riser Card Message-Id: <20001220041326.4F34437B400@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I doubt it's any different. It connects a card to a motherboard the same exact way, afaik. The only problem i can think of is the riser being faulty. Also, check cables, etc... -Simon On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:48:45 -0600, Ingrid Kast Fuller wrote: >Are there any known problems with FreeBSD working with riser card >situations. >I'm getting a scsi card timeout when we setup the 2940 SCSI card on a >riser card in a 2U rackmount case. >The SCSI card worked fine in the mini-tower. We also tried a newer 2940 >SCSI card and still get the same timeout. >-- >*********************************************************************** > Ingrid Kast Fuller CityScope Net Announces 56K & ISDN > CityScope Net NATIONWIDE INTERNET ACCESS > 1 281-998-CITY (2489) http://www.cityscope.net/nationwide.html >*********************************************************************** > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 19 21:44:52 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 19 21:44:50 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wolf.ericsproul.to (wolf.ericsproul.to [209.145.65.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F3CAB37B402 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:44:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 29886 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2000 05:44:45 -0000 Received: from falcon.ericsproul.to (HELO ericsproul.to) (216.12.68.18) by wolf.ericsproul.to with SMTP; 20 Dec 2000 05:44:45 -0000 Sender: esproul@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3A40474E.1619CD69@ericsproul.to> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:44:46 -0500 From: Eric Sproul X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-test12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: serial console on old Packard Bell? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I inherited an old Packard Bell P-75 and am putting it to use with FreeBSD. Yes, I know PB is a POS, so save your flames and hear me out. I would really like to use nothing more than a serial console on this mama, but it has a pesky built-in CirrusLogic video chip that has no disabling jumper and no setting in the BIOS. From what I've been able to find out, the chip simply "knows" when another video card is installed and deactivates itself. But that leaves us old-school types (who only work in text) out in the cold. I can't seem to get the console to work. I've specified the default console in /etc/ttys as a plain getty on ttyS0, 9600, vt100 emulation, the standard thing. But even if there is no keyboard attached, it still chooses "internal video/keyboard" as the console at boot time. The only thing I can figure is that it is detecting this onboard video which I can't disable. Has anyone found a way around this or am I truly in Packard Hell? ;) Thanks, Eric -- Eric Sproul -------------------------------- Useless Trivia #2,378: A 'jiffy' is an actual unit of time for 1/100th of a second. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 20 0: 1: 5 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 00:01:02 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E6437B400 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by picalon.gun.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25134; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:00:47 +0100 (MET) >Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBK7qjJ30694; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:52:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:52:44 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: "Michael C . Wu" Cc: James , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Promise FASTtrak66/RAID1 working? Message-ID: <20001220085244.A17156@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <20001215160102.A84096@evilcode.com> <200012160021.eBG0Lfo05581@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <20001215162523.A86352@evilcode.com> <20001215214635.A43778@peorth.iteration.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20001215214635.A43778@peorth.iteration.net>; from keichii@iteration.net on Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 09:46:35PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 09:46:35PM -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: > On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 04:25:24PM -0800, James scribbled: > | On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 04:21:41PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > | > > I understand that FreeBSD 4.2 (and before) does not support > | > > the Promise FASTtrak66 in a RAID setup. But being one that > | > > likes to see things for himself, I tried it out. > | > > | > Actually, FreeBSD does support these cards in 4.2. > > Use the ar0 if you want the RAID to work, and setup your ar0 > configuration in the Promise card's BIOS. The manpage doesn't mention the RAID controller to be supported. Is there a webpage containing information, what functionality one may expect from RAID mode ??? Does it support only mirroring, so that two drives can be mirrored ? Can the controller mirror 2 x 2 drives ? Is it mainly the controller, who does this job ? Would it then be possible, to install Win2000 and FreeBSD on the same mirrored set of disks ? What if a failure occurs ? Does it automatically switch over to use the remaining drive without having to do something immediately ? When does recovery takes place ? Do I simply have to powerdown the machine and replace the bad disk and the controller automatically recovers the harddisks ? Even if drive 0 was bad ? Does it boot then from drive 1 and does recovery in the background ? Would be glad to learn about it, since doing backups of 40 GB harddisks with a 2 GB QIC tape is not an easy task ... So mirroring would be the thing to do, but it was relatively expensive up to now ... BTW, wasn't there a Promise RAID controller available for ATA-100 ? Is it also supported ? -- Andreas Klemm Powered by FreeBSD SMP Songs from our band >>64Bits<<............http://www.apsfilter.org/64bits.html My homepage................................ http://people.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas Please note: Apsfilter got a NEW HOME................http://www.apsfilter.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 20 0:32:57 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 00:32:54 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-107.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD1037B699 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eBK8hAQ15607; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:43:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200012200843.eBK8hAQ15607@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Andreas Klemm Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Promise FASTtrak66/RAID1 working? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Dec 2000 08:52:44 +0100." <20001220085244.A17156@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 00:43:10 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 09:46:35PM -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 04:25:24PM -0800, James scribbled: > > | On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 04:21:41PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > | > > I understand that FreeBSD 4.2 (and before) does not support > > | > > the Promise FASTtrak66 in a RAID setup. But being one that > > | > > likes to see things for himself, I tried it out. > > | > > > | > Actually, FreeBSD does support these cards in 4.2. > > > > Use the ar0 if you want the RAID to work, and setup your ar0 > > configuration in the Promise card's BIOS. > > The manpage doesn't mention the RAID controller to be supported. > Is there a webpage containing information, what functionality > one may expect from RAID mode ??? No, there isn't. Basically, you can't really expect much; I don't even think that failure of one drive in a mirror will be handled correctly. > Is it mainly the controller, who does this job ? No, it's all done by the driver. > Would it then be possible, to install Win2000 and FreeBSD > on the same mirrored set of disks ? This is probably feasible. > What if a failure occurs ? Does it automatically switch over > to use the remaining drive without having to do something > immediately ? No; from my reading of the code, you'll get a lot of disk error messages. The system may fail. > When does recovery takes place ? Do I simply have to > powerdown the machine and replace the bad disk and the > controller automatically recovers the harddisks ? Even > if drive 0 was bad ? Does it boot then from drive 1 and > does recovery in the background ? None of this is done. If you want ATA RAID, get a 3ware controller. End of story. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 20 1:21:18 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 01:21:16 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from master.telia.net (master.telia.net [194.237.170.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8167C37B400 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 01:21:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (zealot@localhost) by master.telia.net (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBK9LDc71345 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:21:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from zealot@w-arts.com) X-Authentication-Warning: master.telia.net: zealot owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 10:21:13 +0100 (CET) From: Joonas Tizihssane X-Sender: zealot@master.telia.net To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: DLT tape archives... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm wondering if there is any DLT tape archive support under freebsd, and if so where I can find a HW list that is supported under freebsd so that I may check if they can backup 500GB to 1 TB of data. Thanx in advance regards /Joonas Tizihssane, w.arts Mail: joonas@w-arts.com Phone: +46.(0)70.2182680 "Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if pac man affected us as kids, we'd all sit around in a darkened room munching pills and listening to repetitive music." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 20 3:44:37 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 03:44:34 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from postfix1.free.fr (postfix1.free.fr [212.27.32.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E192E37B400; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 03:44:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from titine.fr.eu.org (toulouse-1-5-126.dial.proxad.net [213.228.5.126]) by postfix1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E8728197; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:44:30 +0100 (MET) Received: by titine.fr.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8F5633A259; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:19:53 +0100 (CET) Sender: jaco@titine.fr.eu.org X-Attribution: Jaco To: Greg Lehey Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Pcmcia adapter for CompactFlash cards and FreeBSD ? References: <874s0tntij.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> <20001128123914.F30795@echunga.lemis.com> From: Eric Jacoboni Date: 20 Dec 2000 12:19:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20001128123914.F30795@echunga.lemis.com> Message-ID: <87snnj2vc6.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> Lines: 24 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.0.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>> "Greg" == Greg Lehey writes: >> I've got a Canon S10 Digital Camera. This model uses CompactFlash I >> and II cards to store pictures (as jpeg or tiff files). Canon sells a >> Pcmcia adapter to put a CF card. As far i've understood, the card is >> viewed as a simple ram card : it's a great thing as there is no need >> for further software. Greg> That's the problem. There may already be one in there, in which case Greg> you may need to do nothing. I can't see anything in there with the Greg> name Canon, but the card doesn't have to have the Canon name. A Greg> typical entry might be like this: I've bought this adapter and, just FYI : The PCMCIA adapter is automagically recognized as SanDisk (i dont change anything in pccard.conf) at ata2-master. Don't know why the slice is ad4s1 (i've only a hard disk, no CD-ROM) but it works... Thanks for your explanations. -- Éric Jacoboni, né il y a 1280672034 secondes. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 20 9: 0:18 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 09:00:16 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from goliath.siemens.de (goliath.siemens.de [194.138.37.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D2637B400 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:00:15 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer goliath.siemens.de) Received: from mail2.siemens.de (mail2.siemens.de [139.25.208.11]) by goliath.siemens.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBKH0Dl22198; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:00:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [139.25.42.7]) by mail2.siemens.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBKH0CQ09760; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:00:13 +0100 (MET) Received: (from localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBKH0C031919; Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 18:00:12 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Joonas Tizihssane Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DLT tape archives... Message-ID: <20001220180012.A61805@curry.mchp.siemens.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from zealot@w-arts.com on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 10:21:13AM +0100 X-Echelon: BND CIA NSA Mossad KGB MI6 IRA detonator nuclear assault strike Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20-Dec-2000 at 10:21:13 +0100, Joonas Tizihssane wrote: > Hi, I'm wondering if there is any DLT tape archive support under freebsd, > and if so where I can find a HW list that is supported under freebsd so > that I may check if they can backup 500GB to 1 TB of data. > Thanx in advance You might look at http://www.qualstar.com/146075.htm I have just ordered the (small) 6110 and can tell you how it works in a few days (hopefully). I have used several Quantum DLT 4700 without any problems. I wanted to get the same thing with a DLT 8000 drive. They are built by ATL (L-200). Unfortunately, they ship the L-200 library with the DLT 8000 drive only in HVD so I will try the Qualstar 6110 :-) -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 20 9:28:26 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 20 09:28:25 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1061C37B400 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from eischen@localhost) by pcnet1.pcnet.com (8.8.7/PCNet) id MAA19733 for hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:28:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 12:28:03 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen Message-Id: <200012201728.MAA19733@pcnet1.pcnet.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Intel STL2 server board Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone ever use this board with FreeBSD? It includes integrated Adaptec 7899, Intel 82559 Ethernet, ATI Rage IIC w/4MB SGRAM, Serverworks LE chipset, and 2 64bit/66MHz PCI slots. -- Dan Eischen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 21 1: 3:59 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 01:03:58 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from master.telia.net (master.telia.net [194.237.170.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA0637B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (zealot@localhost) by master.telia.net (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBL93r574304; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:03:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from joonas@w-arts.com) X-Authentication-Warning: master.telia.net: zealot owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:03:53 +0100 (CET) From: Joonas Tizihssane X-Sender: zealot@master.telia.net To: Andre Albsmeier Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DLT tape archives... In-Reply-To: <20001220180012.A61805@curry.mchp.siemens.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Great :) what software do you use to control the archive/library ? and what amount of data do you backup ? :) After a reevaluation of the amount of data that needs to be backed up we'll need a archive/library that can store atleast 30TB ! ;) if not more. A little misscalculation from my part ;) /Joonas Tizihssane, w.arts Mail: joonas@w-arts.com Phone: +46.(0)70.2182680 "Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if pac man affected us as kids, we'd all sit around in a darkened room munching pills and listening to repetitive music." On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > On Wed, 20-Dec-2000 at 10:21:13 +0100, Joonas Tizihssane wrote: > > Hi, I'm wondering if there is any DLT tape archive support under freebsd, > > and if so where I can find a HW list that is supported under freebsd so > > that I may check if they can backup 500GB to 1 TB of data. > > Thanx in advance > > You might look at http://www.qualstar.com/146075.htm > > I have just ordered the (small) 6110 and can tell you how > it works in a few days (hopefully). > > I have used several Quantum DLT 4700 without any problems. I wanted > to get the same thing with a DLT 8000 drive. They are built by > ATL (L-200). Unfortunately, they ship the L-200 library with > the DLT 8000 drive only in HVD so I will try the Qualstar 6110 :-) > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 21 1:15:51 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 01:15:49 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779BF37B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:15:48 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from mail1.siemens.de (mail1.siemens.de [139.23.33.14]) by david.siemens.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBL9Fku19334; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:15:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [139.25.42.7]) by mail1.siemens.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBL9Fjh01995; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:15:45 +0100 (MET) Received: (from localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBL9Fj036817; Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:15:45 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Joonas Tizihssane Cc: Andre Albsmeier , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DLT tape archives... Message-ID: <20001221101545.A15334@curry.mchp.siemens.de> References: <20001220180012.A61805@curry.mchp.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from joonas@w-arts.com on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 10:03:53AM +0100 X-Echelon: BND CIA NSA Mossad KGB MI6 IRA detonator nuclear assault strike Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 21-Dec-2000 at 10:03:53 +0100, Joonas Tizihssane wrote: > Great :) what software do you use to control the archive/library ? and > what amount of data do you backup ? :) Well, I do only about 100GB a day. I use tar-1.13.17.tar.gz and a shell script for changing the tapes. > > After a reevaluation of the amount of data that needs to be backed up > we'll need a archive/library that can store atleast 30TB ! ;) if not more. > A little misscalculation from my part ;) IIRC, the biggest one on the page I mentioned could do about 25TB uncompressed. -Andre > > /Joonas Tizihssane, w.arts > Mail: joonas@w-arts.com > Phone: +46.(0)70.2182680 > "Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if pac man affected us as kids, > we'd all sit around in a darkened room munching pills and listening to repetitive music." > > On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > > > On Wed, 20-Dec-2000 at 10:21:13 +0100, Joonas Tizihssane wrote: > > > Hi, I'm wondering if there is any DLT tape archive support under freebsd, > > > and if so where I can find a HW list that is supported under freebsd so > > > that I may check if they can backup 500GB to 1 TB of data. > > > Thanx in advance > > > > You might look at http://www.qualstar.com/146075.htm > > > > I have just ordered the (small) 6110 and can tell you how > > it works in a few days (hopefully). > > > > I have used several Quantum DLT 4700 without any problems. I wanted > > to get the same thing with a DLT 8000 drive. They are built by > > ATL (L-200). Unfortunately, they ship the L-200 library with > > the DLT 8000 drive only in HVD so I will try the Qualstar 6110 :-) > > -- HP-UGs: The Microsoft Windows(tm) of the Unix(tm) world. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 21 1:30:19 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 01:30:16 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from master.telia.net (master.telia.net [194.237.170.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002D037B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (zealot@localhost) by master.telia.net (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBL9UCR74429; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:30:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from joonas@w-arts.com) X-Authentication-Warning: master.telia.net: zealot owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:30:12 +0100 (CET) From: Joonas Tizihssane X-Sender: zealot@master.telia.net To: Andre Albsmeier Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DLT tape archives... In-Reply-To: <20001221101545.A15334@curry.mchp.siemens.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ahh ok.. So there is something in FreeBSD that can send signals to the archive to change a tape without you doing that manually ? Got that script online somewhere so that I may take a look at it ? so that I don't have to flood you with "obvious" (for you atleast ;) questions bout how to do this ;) /Joonas Tizihssane, w.arts Mail: joonas@w-arts.com Phone: +46.(0)70.2182680 "Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if pac man affected us as kids, we'd all sit around in a darkened room munching pills and listening to repetitive music." On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > On Thu, 21-Dec-2000 at 10:03:53 +0100, Joonas Tizihssane wrote: > > Great :) what software do you use to control the archive/library ? and > > what amount of data do you backup ? :) > > Well, I do only about 100GB a day. I use tar-1.13.17.tar.gz and a shell > script for changing the tapes. > > > > > After a reevaluation of the amount of data that needs to be backed up > > we'll need a archive/library that can store atleast 30TB ! ;) if not more. > > A little misscalculation from my part ;) > > IIRC, the biggest one on the page I mentioned could do about 25TB > uncompressed. > > -Andre > > > > > /Joonas Tizihssane, w.arts > > Mail: joonas@w-arts.com > > Phone: +46.(0)70.2182680 > > "Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if pac man affected us as kids, > > we'd all sit around in a darkened room munching pills and listening to repetitive music." > > > > On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 20-Dec-2000 at 10:21:13 +0100, Joonas Tizihssane wrote: > > > > Hi, I'm wondering if there is any DLT tape archive support under freebsd, > > > > and if so where I can find a HW list that is supported under freebsd so > > > > that I may check if they can backup 500GB to 1 TB of data. > > > > Thanx in advance > > > > > > You might look at http://www.qualstar.com/146075.htm > > > > > > I have just ordered the (small) 6110 and can tell you how > > > it works in a few days (hopefully). > > > > > > I have used several Quantum DLT 4700 without any problems. I wanted > > > to get the same thing with a DLT 8000 drive. They are built by > > > ATL (L-200). Unfortunately, they ship the L-200 library with > > > the DLT 8000 drive only in HVD so I will try the Qualstar 6110 :-) > > > > > -- > HP-UGs: The Microsoft Windows(tm) of the Unix(tm) world. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 21 1:38:28 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 01:38:25 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from goliath.siemens.de (goliath.siemens.de [194.138.37.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAEF637B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:38:24 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer goliath.siemens.de) Received: from mail1.siemens.de (mail1.siemens.de [139.23.33.14]) by goliath.siemens.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBL9cFl16419; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:38:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [139.25.42.7]) by mail1.siemens.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id eBL9cEh11663; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:38:14 +0100 (MET) Received: (from localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBL9cE036969; Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:38:14 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Joonas Tizihssane Cc: Andre Albsmeier , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DLT tape archives... Message-ID: <20001221103814.A15607@curry.mchp.siemens.de> References: <20001221101545.A15334@curry.mchp.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from joonas@w-arts.com on Thu, Dec 21, 2000 at 10:30:12AM +0100 X-Echelon: BND CIA NSA Mossad KGB MI6 IRA detonator nuclear assault strike Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 21-Dec-2000 at 10:30:12 +0100, Joonas Tizihssane wrote: > Ahh ok.. So there is something in FreeBSD that can send signals to the > archive to change a tape without you doing that manually ? > Got that script online somewhere so that I may take a look at it ? > so that I don't have to flood you with "obvious" (for you atleast > ;) questions bout how to do this ;) Well, the script is not so interesting; the command in there is: chio move slot 4 drive 0 does the obvious thing :-) man chio. Good luck, -Andre > > /Joonas Tizihssane, w.arts > Mail: joonas@w-arts.com > Phone: +46.(0)70.2182680 > "Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if pac man affected us as kids, > we'd all sit around in a darkened room munching pills and listening to repetitive music." > > On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > > > On Thu, 21-Dec-2000 at 10:03:53 +0100, Joonas Tizihssane wrote: > > > Great :) what software do you use to control the archive/library ? and > > > what amount of data do you backup ? :) > > > > Well, I do only about 100GB a day. I use tar-1.13.17.tar.gz and a shell > > script for changing the tapes. > > > > > > > > After a reevaluation of the amount of data that needs to be backed up > > > we'll need a archive/library that can store atleast 30TB ! ;) if not more. > > > A little misscalculation from my part ;) > > > > IIRC, the biggest one on the page I mentioned could do about 25TB > > uncompressed. > > > > -Andre > > > > > > > > /Joonas Tizihssane, w.arts > > > Mail: joonas@w-arts.com > > > Phone: +46.(0)70.2182680 > > > "Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if pac man affected us as kids, > > > we'd all sit around in a darkened room munching pills and listening to repetitive music." > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 20-Dec-2000 at 10:21:13 +0100, Joonas Tizihssane wrote: > > > > > Hi, I'm wondering if there is any DLT tape archive support under freebsd, > > > > > and if so where I can find a HW list that is supported under freebsd so > > > > > that I may check if they can backup 500GB to 1 TB of data. > > > > > Thanx in advance > > > > > > > > You might look at http://www.qualstar.com/146075.htm > > > > > > > > I have just ordered the (small) 6110 and can tell you how > > > > it works in a few days (hopefully). > > > > > > > > I have used several Quantum DLT 4700 without any problems. I wanted > > > > to get the same thing with a DLT 8000 drive. They are built by > > > > ATL (L-200). Unfortunately, they ship the L-200 library with > > > > the DLT 8000 drive only in HVD so I will try the Qualstar 6110 :-) > > > > > > > > -- > > HP-UGs: The Microsoft Windows(tm) of the Unix(tm) world. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > -- Your mouse has moved. Windows NT must be restarted for the change to take effect! Reboot now? [OK] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 21 2:46:23 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 02:46:20 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from Espresso.NEEBU.Net (espresso.neebu.net [208.178.117.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 398CC37B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:46:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from Espresso.NEEBU.Net (khuon@localhost) by Espresso.NEEBU.Net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eBLAjwd11062 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:46:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200012211046.eBLAjwd11062@Espresso.NEEBU.Net> From: "Jake Khuon" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Dcc: Subject: fixing hard read errors Reply-To: khuon@GBLX.Net (Jake Khuon) Action: Expires: Priority: Normal X-Face: "(e&e|OIYrcV1x8y?txN%k1E2f[qWLjRjOn+a30)3>x`Wx%_9XiXs\IO2#G5L1m=c/|^h|z29wJ#]D/.?Ks,Mw1 X-URI: http://Espresso.NEEBU.Net/~khuon/ X-Organisation: Global Crossing Ltd., Net-Eng/NSM-Arch X-Header: /usr/include gives great headers X-System: Sun UltraSPARCstation2/2300MP running SunOS Release 5.7 X-Shell: tcsh 6.07.02 (Astron) 1996-10-27 (sparc-sun-solaris) options 8b,nls,dl,al,ng,rh X-Chtorr: History is full of revisionists. Where it used to say "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" it now says, "except as specified in section III-B, Paragraph 12, Sub-section D, Schedule 3." If that still doesn't suit you, wait till next year's commandments come out and trade it in for something that does. X-Mailer: MH 6.8.4 #4[UCI] (Espresso.NEEBU.Net) of Mon Feb 19 15:14:03 EST 1996 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:45:58 -0800 Sender: khuon@Espresso.NEEBU.Net Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've started taking corruption errors on the drive. Dec 20 23:37:50 Mocha /kernel: ad0: HARD READ ERROR blk# 19527354 Dec 20 23:37:56 Mocha /kernel: ad0: HARD READ ERROR blk# 19527354 status=59 error=40 Dec 20 23:37:57 Mocha /kernel: ad0: DMA problem fallback to PIO mode Right now, I've had to set the fsck flag to 0 in /etc/fs and am doing a forcemount of /usr in /etc/rc before the other mounts just to keep me going. Is there a way to use badsect to map these out? When I try, I get this: badsect /usr/BAD 19527354 block 19527354 out of range of file system Don't forget to run ``fsck /dev/rad0s2f'' This is how my drive is laid out: # /dev/ad0c: type: ESDI disk: ad0s2 label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 255 sectors/cylinder: 16065 cylinders: 945 sectors/unit: 15181425 rpm: 3600 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 524288 0 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 0 - 32*) b: 1048576 14131200 swap # (Cyl. 879*- 944*) c: 15181425 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 944) e: 1048576 524288 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 32*- 97*) f: 12558336 1572864 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 97*- 879*) Thinking that maybe the error in console was relative to the beginning of the disk, I tried subtracting out the offset but just got: # bc bc 1.05 Copyright 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1997, 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. For details type `warranty'. 19527354 - 1572864 17954490 quit # badsect /usr/BAD 17954490 block 17954490 out of range of file system Don't forget to run ``fsck /dev/rad0s2f'' Did I do something stupid like forget to convert something? -- /*====================[ Jake Khuon ]======================+ | Senior Manager and Chief Architect, Net-Eng/NSM /~_ |_ () |3 /-\ |_ | | VOX: +1 (408) 543-4828 Fax: +1 (408) 543-0074 \_| C R O S S I N G | +===============[ 960 Hamlin Court, Sunnyvale, CA 94089 ]===============*/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 21 6:46:51 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 06:46:50 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.ccmr.cornell.edu (mercury.ccmr.cornell.edu [128.84.231.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3790637B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 06:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ruby.ccmr.cornell.edu (IDENT:0@ruby.ccmr.cornell.edu [128.84.231.115]) by mercury.ccmr.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00118; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:46:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by ruby.ccmr.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13583; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:46:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: ruby.ccmr.cornell.edu: mitch owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:46:45 -0500 (EST) From: Mitch Collinsworth To: Joonas Tizihssane Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DLT tape archives... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Joonas Tizihssane wrote: > Great:) what software do you use to control the archive/library ? and > what amount of data do you backup ? :) > > After a reevaluation of the amount of data that needs to be backed up > we'll need a archive/library that can store atleast 30TB ! ;) if not more. > A little misscalculation from my part ;) Sounds like it's time for someone to put in a plug for Amanda. Check it out: www.amanda.org -Mitch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 21 8:15:48 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 08:15:47 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from Samizdat.uucom.com (samizdat.uucom.com [198.202.217.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCEA37B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:15:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cshenton@localhost) by Samizdat.uucom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13934; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:15:24 -0500 (EST) To: Joonas Tizihssane Cc: Andre Albsmeier , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DLT tape archives... References: From: Chris Shenton Date: 21 Dec 2000 11:15:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: Joonas Tizihssane's message of "Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:30:12 +0100 (CET)" Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 10:30:12 +0100 (CET), Joonas Tizihssane said: Joonas> Ahh ok.. So there is something in FreeBSD that can send Joonas> signals to the archive to change a tape without you doing that Joonas> manually ? Got that script online somewhere so that I may Joonas> take a look at it ? so that I don't have to flood you with Joonas> "obvious" (for you atleast ;) questions bout how to do this ;) Have you looked at Amanda (from .../ports/misc/amanda24, www.amanda.org)? While I don't have a TB of data, I do use Amanda to do my backups and it has facilities to automatically change my 4-tape juke box. The code is a wrapper around "chio" so if your juke responds to the SCSI commands Amanda can drive it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 21 9: 2: 7 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 09:02:05 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550B037B402; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:02:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by picalon.gun.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27012; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:01:58 +0100 (MET) >Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eBKIVXH29058; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:31:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:31:33 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Promise FASTtrak66/RAID1 working? Message-ID: <20001220193133.A29043@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <20001220085244.A17156@titan.klemm.gtn.com> <200012200843.eBK8hAQ15607@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200012200843.eBK8hAQ15607@mass.osd.bsdi.com>; from msmith@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 12:43:10AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 12:43:10AM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > [...] > If you want ATA RAID, get a 3ware controller. End of story. Thanks for your kind explanations. Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm Powered by FreeBSD SMP Songs from our band >>64Bits<<............http://www.apsfilter.org/64bits.html My homepage................................ http://people.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas Please note: Apsfilter got a NEW HOME................http://www.apsfilter.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 21 9:38:44 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 09:38:42 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from toshiro.sk.sympatico.ca (toshiro.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.5.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EE337B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:38:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from Felix (hss-35-168.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.35.168]) by toshiro.sk.sympatico.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16999005 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:38:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002701c06b74$d9819360$64d2010a@rgle.net> From: "Kyle Peterson" To: Subject: I need lots of help with lnc driver Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:38:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, ok I'm hasving this very strange problem with the lnc driver. When I ftp a file to the machine it gets an error like "collision error, network settings?" (That's not the exact message, I can't remember it right now.). When I'm sending a file to that machine I'm getting around 23KB/s, but when I download off of the internet everything works fine. This is a really bad problem for me because I have to get this server up and running as soon as possible. The NIC is a integrated NetFlex-L ENET PCI. The computer is a compaq prosigina 300 server, 120 pent, 80mb ram, onboard scsi. Any help would be highly appriciated. Thank you. Also could you reply to both the list and to my address, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 21 11:10:43 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 11:10:40 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226E937B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:10:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA89560; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:10:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 13:10:35 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Kyle Peterson Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need lots of help with lnc driver In-Reply-To: <002701c06b74$d9819360$64d2010a@rgle.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Kyle Peterson wrote: > Hi, ok I'm hasving this very strange problem with the lnc driver. > When I ftp a file to the machine it gets an error like "collision > error, network settings?" (That's not the exact message, I can't > remember it right now.). When I'm sending a file to that machine > I'm getting around 23KB/s, but when I download off of the internet > everything works fine. This is a really bad problem for me > because I have to get this server up and running as soon as > possible. The NIC is a integrated NetFlex-L ENET PCI. The > computer is a compaq prosigina 300 server, 120 pent, 80mb ram, > onboard scsi. Any help would be highly appriciated. Thank you. > Also could you reply to both the list and to my address, I've got a similar system (an old Compaq 486-66 Prosignia VS) with a built-in lnc adapter, but the errors I get on occasion are: lnc0: Missed packet -- no receive buffer These only seem to happen under high loads (such as when my backup software is doing a backup). Eventually, after lots and lots of traffic (usually several days, in my case), it appears the NIC stops working completely and you have to reboot the machine. I just wrote up a script that occasionally pings some of my other servers, and if it doesn't get any replies, it reboots the machine. A bad hack, I know. I'm replacing the machine soon anyway, so I haven't particularly cared about it. :-) -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For IA32 and Alpha architectures. IA64 and PowerPC under development. http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 21 20: 0:59 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 20:00:57 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from toshiro.sk.sympatico.ca (toshiro.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.5.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC7F37B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:00:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from Felix (hss-35-168.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.35.168]) by toshiro.sk.sympatico.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16762714 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:00:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000d01c06bcb$c58f2640$64d2010a@rgle.net> From: "Kyle Peterson" To: Subject: Re: I need lots of help with lnc driver Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:00:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Now I am a bit confused here. I need a few things cleared up for me. Ok, I've done some reading about using the pcn driver. It doesn't detect my card at all. I also read something that the ThunderLAN driver is what I need, but it also doesn't work. The only one I can get to work is the lnc driver. I've done further tests with the lnc driver, my external internet speed through my nat box is 1.5mpbs, but my speed internally is no more that 25KB/s. Now this is really strange, what can possibly cause this? There is also some settings in my BIOS that specify what OS i'm using. I can set it to win NT, Unixware, linux, sco, open server. What should I use for freeBSD? Also, I'm using FreeBSD 4.2-Release. Thank you for any info. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Peterson" To: Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 11:38 AM Subject: I need lots of help with lnc driver > Hi, ok I'm hasving this very strange problem with the lnc driver. When I > ftp a file to the machine it gets an error like "collision error, network > settings?" (That's not the exact message, I can't remember it right now.). > When I'm sending a file to that machine I'm getting around 23KB/s, but when > I download off of the internet everything works fine. This is a really bad > problem for me because I have to get this server up and running as soon as > possible. The NIC is a integrated NetFlex-L ENET PCI. The computer is a > compaq prosigina 300 server, 120 pent, 80mb ram, onboard scsi. Any help > would be highly appriciated. Thank you. Also could you reply to both the > list and to my address, > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 21 22:15:27 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 21 22:15:26 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from satan.freebsdsystems.com (satan.freebsdsystems.com [24.69.168.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7CD37B400 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:15:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from lnb@localhost) by satan.freebsdsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) id eBM6FPF76871 for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:15:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:15:25 -0500 From: Lanny Baron To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Fiber Disks and Raid controller Message-ID: <20001222011525.A76835@FreeBSDsystems.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: lnb@satan.freebsdsystems.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Seasons Greetings everyone, Are there any issues with using Fiber disks for a storage system and with external RAID controller like the Mylex SANArray FFx? Have a great holiday and New Year, ------------------------------------- Lanny Baron Proud to be 100% FreeBSD FreeBSD Systems, Inc. Freedom Technologies Corp. http://www.FreeBSDsystems.COM 1.877.963.1900 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 22 13:53:21 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 13:53:19 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2117337B400 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23737; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:53:07 -0800 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:52:58 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Lanny Baron Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fiber Disks and Raid controller In-Reply-To: <20001222011525.A76835@FreeBSDsystems.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've had some reports of really doggy performance, but I think it might have been more related to using a 2100 instead of a 2200 and having a high usage network card in the same PCI bus. Still- get your equipment on eval if you can. On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Lanny Baron wrote: > Seasons Greetings everyone, > > Are there any issues with using Fiber disks for a storage system and with external RAID controller like the Mylex SANArray FFx? > > Have a great holiday and New Year, > ------------------------------------- > Lanny Baron > Proud to be 100% FreeBSD > FreeBSD Systems, Inc. > Freedom Technologies Corp. > http://www.FreeBSDsystems.COM > 1.877.963.1900 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 22 14:47: 3 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 14:47:01 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from liberty.bulinfo.net (liberty.bulinfo.net [212.72.195.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 43C3F37B400 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 63827 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2000 22:46:49 -0000 Received: from pythia.bulinfo.net (HELO bulinfo.net) (212.72.195.5) by liberty.bulinfo.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2000 22:46:49 -0000 Sender: root@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3A43D9D5.F51ED2AE@bulinfo.net> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 00:46:46 +0200 From: Krassimir Slavchev X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Best Power UPS? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I have BEST MICRO-FERRUPS model QWE1.15kVA. After replace the battery on CPU unit, lost all settings stored in SRAM. Can anyone provide to me values of parameters. Parameters displayed in terminal mode with: =>d I have the service password and can change parameters. I am contacting with Best Power technical support, but in this moment have not receive response. Thanks in advance PS: Sorry for bad english -- Krassimir Slavchev Bulinfo Ltd. krassi@bulinfo.net (+359-2)963-3652 http://www.bulinfo.net (+359-2)963-3764 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 22 19:58: 0 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 22 19:57:58 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from posgate.acis.com.au (posgate.acis.com.au [203.14.230.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C96737B400 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 19:57:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from bullseye.apana.org.au (uucp@localhost) by posgate.acis.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id OAA24178; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 14:57:01 +1100 Received: from bullseye.apana.org.au (central-f.apana.org.au [203.9.107.235]) by bullseye.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA16931; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 08:31:23 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 07:26:24 +1100 (EDT) From: Andrew MacIntyre To: Kyle Peterson Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need lots of help with lnc driver In-Reply-To: <000d01c06bcb$c58f2640$64d2010a@rgle.net> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Kyle Peterson wrote: {...} > I've done further tests with the lnc driver, my external internet > speed through my nat box is 1.5mpbs, but my speed internally is no more that > 25KB/s. Now this is really strange, what can possibly cause this? There is It isn't directly relevant, but I saw similar problems with a Racal-Interlan NI6510 card (ISA DMA lnc-type card) under Linux some time ago - in fact the slower the host the better the throughput :-| (386-33=~250kB/s; 486-100=~50kB/s). Note that this was mostly a problem with connections via a router - connections from the same segment weren't as bad, but I could never get transfer rates as good as with a SMC EtherEZ :-(. Driver problem most likely in this case. BTW, the machines involved were Compaq Prolinea desktops. If you can, I'd suggest ditching the internal NIC and using an fxp supported NIC. > also some settings in my BIOS that specify what OS i'm using. I can set it > to win NT, Unixware, linux, sco, open server. What should I use for > freeBSD? Also, I'm using FreeBSD 4.2-Release. Thank you for any info. ISTR that Unixware has been found to work well in these Compaq BIOSen. > ----- Original Message ----- {...} -- Andrew I MacIntyre "These thoughts are mine alone..." E-mail: andrew.macintyre@aba.gov.au (work) | Snail: PO Box 370 andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au (play) | Belconnen ACT 2616 andymac@pcug.org.au (play2) | Australia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Dec 23 17: 7:45 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 23 17:07:44 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ALPHA1.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU (alpha1.cc.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4FE37B400 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 17:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from moa.cc.monash.edu.au ([130.194.2.169]) by vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (PMDF V6.0-24 #43886) with ESMTP id <01JY2YMR8QVS9QYUIK@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:07:34 +1100 Received: by moa.cc.monash.edu.au (8.8.8/1.1.10.5/01Apr97-0924AM) id MAA0000020583; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:07:33 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:07:33 +1100 (EST) From: George Scott Subject: Re: I need lots of help with lnc driver To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, kyle.peterson@sk.sympatico.ca Message-id: <200012240107.MAA0000020583@moa.cc.monash.edu.au> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > When I'm sending a file to that machine I'm getting around 23KB/s, but when If both ends of your network connection don't have matching duplex settings you will get this sort of performance... > I download off of the internet everything works fine. ...but I can't explain this part. George. -- George Scott George.Scott@its.monash.edu.au Systems Programmer, IT Services, Monash University To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Dec 23 21:42:32 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 23 21:42:30 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au (mailman.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B45C37B400; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 21:42:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from bde.zeta.org.au (bde.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.102]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA02191; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 16:42:16 +1100 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 16:42:42 +1100 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-Sender: bde@besplex.bde.org To: Jake Khuon Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fixing hard read errors In-Reply-To: <200012211046.eBLAjwd11062@Espresso.NEEBU.Net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Jake Khuon wrote: > I've started taking corruption errors on the drive. > > Dec 20 23:37:50 Mocha /kernel: ad0: HARD READ ERROR blk# 19527354 > Dec 20 23:37:56 Mocha /kernel: ad0: HARD READ ERROR blk# 19527354 status=59 > error=40 > Dec 20 23:37:57 Mocha /kernel: ad0: DMA problem fallback to PIO mode > > Right now, I've had to set the fsck flag to 0 in /etc/fs and am doing a > forcemount of /usr in /etc/rc before the other mounts just to keep me going. > > Is there a way to use badsect to map these out? When I try, I get this: > > badsect /usr/BAD 19527354 > block 19527354 out of range of file system > Don't forget to run ``fsck /dev/rad0s2f'' The block number printed by the ad driver is relative to the start of the disk, but the block number for badsect must be relative to the start of the filesystem (ad0s2f). Disk drivers should use the standard function for reporting disk errors (diskerr()) so that more information, including the filesystem-relative block number, is printed. From subr_disklabel.c: --- /* * Disk error is the preface to plaintive error messages * about failing disk transfers. It prints messages of the form hp0g: hard error reading fsbn 12345 of 12344-12347 (hp0 bn %d cn %d tn %d sn %d) --- Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Dec 23 23:15:27 2000 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 23 23:15:24 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from Espresso.NEEBU.Net (espresso.neebu.net [208.178.117.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 153CE37B400; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 23:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from Espresso.NEEBU.Net (khuon@localhost) by Espresso.NEEBU.Net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id eBO7FDA10056; Sat, 23 Dec 2000 23:15:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200012240715.eBO7FDA10056@Espresso.NEEBU.Net> X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: inbox X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: repl From: "Jake Khuon" To: Bruce Evans Cc: Jake Khuon , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Dcc: Subject: Re: fixing hard read errors In-reply-to: Bruce Evans's message of Sun, 24 Dec 2000 16:42:42 +1100. Reply-To: khuon@GBLX.Net (Jake Khuon) Action: Expires: Priority: Normal X-Face: "(e&e|OIYrcV1x8y?txN%k1E2f[qWLjRjOn+a30)3>x`Wx%_9XiXs\IO2#G5L1m=c/|^h|z29wJ#]D/.?Ks,Mw1 X-URI: http://Espresso.NEEBU.Net/~khuon/ X-Organisation: Global Crossing Ltd., Net-Eng/NSM X-Header: /usr/include gives great headers X-System: Sun UltraSPARCstation2/2300MP running SunOS Release 5.7 X-Shell: tcsh 6.07.02 (Astron) 1996-10-27 (sparc-sun-solaris) options 8b,nls,dl,al,ng,rh X-Chtorr: History is full of revisionists. Where it used to say "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" it now says, "except as specified in section III-B, Paragraph 12, Sub-section D, Schedule 3." If that still doesn't suit you, wait till next year's commandments come out and trade it in for something that does. X-Mailer: MH 6.8.4 #4[UCI] (Espresso.NEEBU.Net) of Mon Feb 19 15:14:03 EST 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 23:15:13 -0800 Sender: khuon@Espresso.NEEBU.Net Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ### On Sun, 24 Dec 2000 16:42:42 +1100 (EST), Bruce Evans ### casually decided to expound upon Jake Khuon the ### following thoughts about "Re: fixing hard read errors": BE> On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Jake Khuon wrote: BE> BE> > I've started taking corruption errors on the drive. BE> > BE> > Dec 20 23:37:50 Mocha /kernel: ad0: HARD READ ERROR blk# 19527354 BE> > Dec 20 23:37:56 Mocha /kernel: ad0: HARD READ ERROR blk# 19527354 status=59 BE> > error=40 BE> > Dec 20 23:37:57 Mocha /kernel: ad0: DMA problem fallback to PIO mode BE> > BE> > Right now, I've had to set the fsck flag to 0 in /etc/fs and am doing a BE> > forcemount of /usr in /etc/rc before the other mounts just to keep me going. BE> > BE> > Is there a way to use badsect to map these out? When I try, I get this: BE> > BE> > badsect /usr/BAD 19527354 BE> > block 19527354 out of range of file system BE> > Don't forget to run ``fsck /dev/rad0s2f'' BE> BE> The block number printed by the ad driver is relative to the start of the BE> disk, but the block number for badsect must be relative to the start of BE> the filesystem (ad0s2f). So should I just subtract the offset for ad0s2f from 19527354 or do I have to convert the offset to something first based on the blocksize of the file system? BE> Disk drivers should use the standard function for reporting disk errors BE> (diskerr()) so that more information, including the filesystem-relative BE> block number, is printed. From subr_disklabel.c: BE> --- BE> /* BE> * Disk error is the preface to plaintive error messages BE> * about failing disk transfers. It prints messages of the form BE> BE> hp0g: hard error reading fsbn 12345 of 12344-12347 (hp0 bn %d cn %d tn %d sn %d) Yeah... wouldn't that be nice. |8^) -- /*====================[ Jake Khuon ]======================+ | Senior Manager and Chief Architect, Net-Eng/NSM /~_ |_ () |3 /-\ |_ | | VOX: +1 (408) 543-4828 Fax: +1 (408) 543-0074 \_| C R O S S I N G | +===============[ 960 Hamlin Court, Sunnyvale, CA 94089 ]===============*/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message