From owner-freebsd-i18n Wed Jun 21 5:52:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from mailout1.hananet.net (mailout1.hananet.net [210.220.163.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE6337BE21; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 05:52:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjh@FreeBSD.org) Received: from gradius.myhome ([210.205.34.121]) by mailout1.hananet.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FWI94402.D7X; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:52:52 +0900 Received: (from cjh@localhost) by gradius.myhome (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03725; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:52:50 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from cjh@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: gradius.myhome: cjh set sender to cjh@FreeBSD.org using -f To: ache@FreeBSD.org Cc: i18n@FreeBSD.org Subject: LC_TIME definition of ko_KR.EUC From: CHOI Junho Date: 21 Jun 2000 21:52:50 +0900 Message-ID: <86bt0vryal.fsf@gradius.myhome> Lines: 41 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0805 (Gnus v5.8.5) Emacs/20.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Originator of misc/8480 reminded me of this issue. There is some discussion among some Korean people but I can't be sure whether it is acceptable. There is similar example(ja_JP.*)... --- ko_KR.EUC.src~ Sat Dec 4 04:52:04 1999 +++ src/share/timedef/ko_KR.EUC.src Wed Jun 21 21:45:06 2000 @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ # $FreeBSD: src/share/timedef/ko_KR.EUC.src,v 1.7 1999/12/03 19:52:04 ache Exp $ # -# Choi Jun Ho +# Originally by CHOI Junho # 27 Mar 1997 # # WARNING: spaces may be essential at the end of lines @@ -70,7 +70,7 @@ # # just following tradition... # %Y년 %b월 %e일 %a요일 %X -%a %b %e %H:%M:%S %Y +%a %b/%e %H:%M:%S %Y # # am # @@ -86,7 +86,7 @@ # # date_fmt # -%Y년 %b월 %e일 %a요일 %X %Z +%Y년 %B %e일 %A %X %Z # # Long months names (alternative) # -- +++ Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my employers +++ CHOI Junho KFUG Web Data Bank FreeBSD, GNU/Linux Developer Youido Post Office, Seoul, Korea To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Thu Jun 22 8:53:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from netserv1.chg.ru (netserv1.chg.ru [193.233.46.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF5C37BE71 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:53:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@netserv1.chg.ru) Received: (from dima@localhost) by netserv1.chg.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31706 for freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:53:20 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:53:20 +0400 (MSD) From: "Dmitry S. Sivachenko" Message-Id: <200006221553.TAA31706@netserv1.chg.ru> To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Subject: gettext Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! What do people think about including gettext into base distribution? Many programs have their messages translated (tar, flex, grep, sed, texinfo). It would be very nice to use this in the base system. --dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Thu Jun 22 14:39: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5150F37BEDB for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:38:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (murray@localhost) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18781; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:37:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@bsdi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: pike.osd.bsdi.com: murray owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:37:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Murray Stokely X-Sender: murray@pike.osd.bsdi.com To: "Dmitry S. Sivachenko" Cc: freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gettext In-Reply-To: <200006221553.TAA31706@netserv1.chg.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Dmitry S. Sivachenko wrote: % What do people think about including gettext into base distribution? % Many programs have their messages translated (tar, flex, grep, sed, texinfo). % It would be very nice to use this in the base system. IMHO, that would make life MUCH easier. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Fri Jun 23 2:37:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22C737C18F; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:37:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@bird.cris.net) Received: from bird.cris.net (bird.cris.net [212.110.128.67]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA40629; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:36:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by bird.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26671; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:34:56 +0300 (EEST) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:34:56 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <200006230934.MAA26671@bird.cris.net> From: Alexey Zelkin To: murray@bsdi.com (Murray Stokely), dima@chg.ru, i18n@FreeBSD.org, ru@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: gettext X-Newsgroups: cris.gate.freebsd.i18n In-Reply-To: User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.0-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, In article you wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Dmitry S. Sivachenko wrote: > % What do people think about including gettext into base distribution? > % Many programs have their messages translated (tar, flex, grep, sed, texinfo). > % It would be very nice to use this in the base system. > IMHO, that would make life MUCH easier. As I remember Ruslan Ermilov has such plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Fri Jun 23 8:32:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7FE37B6F2 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:32:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from bigeye.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 135VRH-0008Rb-00; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:32:15 +0200 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.mips.inka.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA70347 for freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:24:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: gettext Date: 23 Jun 2000 17:24:13 +0200 Message-ID: <8ivvet$24lt$1@bigeye.mips.inka.de> References: <200006221553.TAA31706@netserv1.chg.ru> To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dmitry S. Sivachenko wrote: > What do people think about including gettext into base distribution? It's under the GPL (not even LGPL). :-( -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Fri Jun 23 10:57:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B90A37C3B4 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:57:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from neutron.cichlids.com (p3E9C112A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.156.17.42]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10092; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:56:08 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E128DAC27; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:56:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4193514AB2; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:56:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:56:41 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: "Dmitry S. Sivachenko" Cc: freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gettext Message-ID: <20000623195641.C16231@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <200006221553.TAA31706@netserv1.chg.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200006221553.TAA31706@netserv1.chg.ru>; from dima@Chg.RU on Thu, Jun 22, 2000 at 07:53:20PM +0400 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Dmitry S. Sivachenko (dima@Chg.RU): > What do people think about including gettext into base distribution? > Many programs have their messages translated (tar, flex, grep, sed, texinfo). > It would be very nice to use this in the base system. I hate translated messages. Use AIX if you want translated crap :) Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Fri Jun 23 11:40:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from blues.jpj.net (blues.jpj.net [204.97.17.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECEF37C3EC for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:40:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevor@jpj.net) Received: from localhost (trevor@localhost) by blues.jpj.net (right/backatcha) with ESMTP id e5NIeJN14926; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:40:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Trevor Johnson To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gettext In-Reply-To: <8ivvet$24lt$1@bigeye.mips.inka.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > What do people think about including gettext into base distribution? > > It's under the GPL (not even LGPL). :-( The xgettext that comes with xview seems to have a less restrictive license (I doubt we'd want to use Sun's patented icons or tout it as "`OPEN LOOK' compatible"). There's already a ton of GPL code in FreeBSD though: $ cd /home/ncvs $ du -k sys/gnu|tail -1 2765 sys/gnu $ find gnu contrib/ -name COPYING,v | grep -v Attic find gnu contrib/ -name COPYING,v | grep -v Attic gnu/lib/libdialog/COPYING,v gnu/lib/libregex/COPYING,v gnu/libexec/uucp/COPYING,v gnu/usr.bin/as/COPYING,v gnu/usr.bin/dialog/COPYING,v gnu/usr.bin/grep/COPYING,v gnu/usr.bin/gzip/COPYING,v gnu/usr.bin/man/COPYING,v gnu/usr.bin/ptx/COPYING,v gnu/usr.bin/send-pr/COPYING,v gnu/usr.bin/sort/COPYING,v gnu/usr.bin/tar/COPYING,v gnu/COPYING,v contrib/amd/COPYING,v contrib/awk/COPYING,v contrib/bc/COPYING,v contrib/cpio/COPYING,v contrib/cvs/COPYING,v contrib/diff/COPYING,v contrib/gcc/COPYING,v contrib/gdb/gdb/COPYING,v contrib/gdb/COPYING,v contrib/global/COPYING,v contrib/gperf/COPYING,v contrib/groff/COPYING,v contrib/libreadline/COPYING,v contrib/ncurses/tack/COPYING,v contrib/patch/COPYING,v contrib/texinfo/COPYING,v contrib/gdb.291/COPYING,v contrib/gdb.291/gdb/COPYING,v contrib/gcc.295/COPYING,v contrib/less/COPYING,v -- Trevor Johnson http://jpj.net/~trevor/gpgkey.txt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Fri Jun 23 17:11: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from relay.butya.kz (butya-gw.butya.kz [212.154.129.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0533137BAD3; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:10:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bp@butya.kz) Received: from bp (helo=localhost) by relay.butya.kz with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 135dWG-00026m-00; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:09:56 +0700 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:09:56 +0700 (ALMST) From: Boris Popov To: Alexander Langer Cc: "Dmitry S. Sivachenko" , freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gettext In-Reply-To: <20000623195641.C16231@cichlids.cichlids.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [CC'ed to arch due to src- suggestion below] On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Alexander Langer wrote: > > What do people think about including gettext into base distribution? > > Many programs have their messages translated (tar, flex, grep, sed, texinfo). > > It would be very nice to use this in the base system. > > I hate translated messages. > Use AIX if you want translated crap :) This is not correct. Not everybody knows English well, these are mostly newbies and having translated docs and program messages is a real help for them. However I'm not sure where language specific resources should be placed. The library definitely goes into base system, but the rest (IMO) shouldn't because it will cause unnecessary growth of the source tree and, in very rare cases one need more than two language packs. So, may be having src- repository will help ? For example, I can put 'src-ru' line in my cvsup file and get all info/man/program translations in Russian or download and install a port which will be just a tarball of src-ru directory. In addition, the above scheme will reserve place where all country/language specific resources (such as character sets for the iconv interface) can be placed. -- Boris Popov http://www.butya.kz/~bp/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Fri Jun 23 19:18:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A208837B73A; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:18:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id TAA25791; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:16:58 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda25789; Fri Jun 23 19:16:46 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA05310; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdAN5300; Fri Jun 23 19:16:33 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.10.2/8.9.1) id e5O2GWZ13757; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006240216.e5O2GWZ13757@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdG13753; Fri Jun 23 19:16:29 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE X-Sender: cy To: Boris Popov Cc: Alexander Langer , "Dmitry S. Sivachenko" , freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gettext In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 2000 07:09:56 +0700." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:16:29 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Boris Popo v writes: > [CC'ed to arch due to src- suggestion below] > > On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, Alexander Langer wrote: > > > > What do people think about including gettext into base distribution? > > > Many programs have their messages translated (tar, flex, grep, sed, texin > fo). > > > It would be very nice to use this in the base system. > > > > I hate translated messages. > > Use AIX if you want translated crap :) > > This is not correct. Not everybody knows English well, these are > mostly newbies and having translated docs and program messages is a real > help for them. > > However I'm not sure where language specific resources should be > placed. The library definitely goes into base system, but the rest (IMO) > shouldn't because it will cause unnecessary growth of the source tree and, > in very rare cases one need more than two language packs. So, may be > having src- repository will help ? For example, I can put 'src-ru' > line in my cvsup file and get all info/man/program translations in Russian > or download and install a port which will be just a tarball of src-ru > directory. > > In addition, the above scheme will reserve place where all > country/language specific resources (such as character sets for the iconv > interface) can be placed. Let's keep the amount of GNU software in the base system to a minimum. If you need it, why not install the gettext port? Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Fri Jun 23 20:20:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C237337BAB1 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:20:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p20-dn03kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.232.224.149]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id MAA05798; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:20:34 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <39541FF1.A9C09B0B@newsguy.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:41:53 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gettext References: <200006221553.TAA31706@netserv1.chg.ru> <8ivvet$24lt$1@bigeye.mips.inka.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > Dmitry S. Sivachenko wrote: > > > What do people think about including gettext into base distribution? > > It's under the GPL (not even LGPL). :-( What about writing a BSD version? -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@the.great.underground.bsdconpiracy.org Windows works, for sufficently small values of "works". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sat Jun 24 1:40:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from chg.ru (netserv1.chg.ru [193.233.46.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9944037BB53; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 01:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@chg.ru) Received: (from dima@localhost) by chg.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA79473; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:38:24 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from dima) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:38:24 +0400 (MSD) From: "Dmitry S. Sivachenko" Message-Id: <200006240838.MAA79473@chg.ru> To: alex@big.endian.de, bp@butya.kz Subject: Re: gettext Cc: dima@Chg.RU, freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This is not correct. Not everybody knows English well, these are > mostly newbies and having translated docs and program messages is a real > help for them. > > However I'm not sure where language specific resources should be > placed. The library definitely goes into base system, but the rest (IMO) > shouldn't because it will cause unnecessary growth of the source tree and, > in very rare cases one need more than two language packs. So, may be > having src- repository will help ? For example, I can put 'src-ru' > line in my cvsup file and get all info/man/program translations in Russian > or download and install a port which will be just a tarball of src-ru > directory. > Several programs (e.g., vi(1)) already have localized messages in the base system. I see no reason to create a separate repository for them. BTW, they should go into /usr/share/locale, not info/man and will consume not so much space you expect. --dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sat Jun 24 1:40:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from chg.ru (netserv1.chg.ru [193.233.46.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE8E37BB70 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 01:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@chg.ru) Received: (from dima@localhost) by chg.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA79499; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:39:57 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from dima) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:39:57 +0400 (MSD) From: "Dmitry S. Sivachenko" Message-Id: <200006240839.MAA79499@chg.ru> To: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca Subject: Re: gettext Cc: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200006240216.e5O2GWZ13757@cwsys.cwsent.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Let's keep the amount of GNU software in the base system to a minimum. > If you need it, why not install the gettext port? > Because GNU programs in the base system will lack i18n support. --dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sat Jun 24 1:58: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259AF37B507 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 01:58:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hanai@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.130]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7Wpl2-GW) with ESMTP id RAA29509; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:57:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from darkmatter.imgsrc.co.jp (darkmatter.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.149]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7Wpl2-SPOOL) with ESMTP id RAA36396; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:57:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from darkmatter.imgsrc.co.jp.imgsrc.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkmatter.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B288A450; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:57:58 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:57:58 +0900 Message-ID: <82zoob4fs9.wl@darkmatter.imgsrc.co.jp.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Hiroyuki Hanai To: dcs@newsguy.com Cc: naddy@mips.inka.de, freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gettext Newsgroups: freebsd.i18n In-Reply-To: In your message of "24 Jun 2000 03:22:35 GMT" <39541FF1.A9C09B0B@newsguy.com> References: <200006221553.TAA31706@netserv1.chg.ru> <8ivvet$24lt$1@bigeye.mips.inka.de> <39541FF1.A9C09B0B@newsguy.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/1.1.1 (Purple Rain) SEMI/1.13.7 (Awazu) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) Emacs/20.6 (i386--freebsd) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) Organization: IMG SRC, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.7 - "Awazu") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > What do people think about including gettext into base distribution? > > > > It's under the GPL (not even LGPL). :-( > > What about writing a BSD version? As Warner mentioned in this mailing list, there is a group named `citrus' in Japan and I18N framework is being developed. Refer to Warner's mail; the message-id is <200005291830.MAA10065@harmony.village.org>. h.hanai To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sat Jun 24 9:39:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1683137BC1C; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 09:39:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from neutron.cichlids.com (p3E9C1121.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [62.156.17.33]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15716; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:38:30 +0200 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by neutron.cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CAEAC27; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:39:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cichlids.cichlids.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B6C5914AB2; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:39:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:39:06 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: Boris Popov Cc: "Dmitry S. Sivachenko" , freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gettext Message-ID: <20000624183906.B2843@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <20000623195641.C16231@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from bp@butya.kz on Sat, Jun 24, 2000 at 07:09:56AM +0700 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Boris Popov (bp@butya.kz): > This is not correct. Not everybody knows English well, these are > mostly newbies and having translated docs and program messages is a real > help for them. Yes. But while I prefer German menus in GUI-programs, for example, I really dislike, that the same LANG var affects those stuff. Imagine a bug-report: How do _you_ want to understand an error message in German?? Alex -- cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sat Jun 24 11:44:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from relay01.chello.nl (smtp.chello.nl [212.83.68.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BAE37BA91; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 11:44:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@chello.nl) Received: from chello.nl ([213.46.78.184]) by relay01.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 2ee4e7c625482f2f2a1950a80f6c8d58) with ESMTP id <20000624184458.XSQJ159.relay01@chello.nl>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:44:58 +0200 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by chello.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00740; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:44:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:44:02 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Alexander Langer Cc: Boris Popov , "Dmitry S. Sivachenko" , freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gettext Message-ID: <20000624204402.A704@freebie.wbnet> Reply-To: wilko@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000623195641.C16231@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000624183906.B2843@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000624183906.B2843@cichlids.cichlids.com>; from alex@big.endian.de on Sat, Jun 24, 2000 at 06:39:06PM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jun 24, 2000 at 06:39:06PM +0200, Alexander Langer wrote: > Thus spake Boris Popov (bp@butya.kz): > > > This is not correct. Not everybody knows English well, these are > > mostly newbies and having translated docs and program messages is a real > > help for them. > > Yes. But while I prefer German menus in GUI-programs, for example, I > really dislike, that the same LANG var affects those stuff. > > Imagine a bug-report: How do _you_ want to understand an error message > in German?? I can live with German. But Korean/Russian/Japanese etc will be much more difficult for Joe/Jane-average-committer. An idea like VMS uses comes to mind: IOERR-F-NOSUCHDEV: . The IOERR-thingy (I just invented this example) will be the same regardless of any i18n translated error text. Just an idea.. -- Wilko Bulte http://www.freebsd.org "Do, or do not. There is no try" wilko@freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl Yoda - The Empire Strikes Back To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sat Jun 24 23:42:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F60B37B87A for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:42:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p24-dn01kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.25]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id PAA07695; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:41:38 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3955A9D0.2155A7B4@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:42:24 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Langer Cc: Boris Popov , "Dmitry S. Sivachenko" , freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gettext References: <20000623195641.C16231@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000624183906.B2843@cichlids.cichlids.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [removed from -arch, as this has strayed from the topic] Alexander Langer wrote: > > Yes. But while I prefer German menus in GUI-programs, for example, I > really dislike, that the same LANG var affects those stuff. > > Imagine a bug-report: How do _you_ want to understand an error message > in German?? Error messages must always be accompanied by a mnemonic error code, if they are to be translated. That way, the user can understand the error, *you* can understand the error, and copying error messages becomes easier. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@the.great.underground.bsdconpiracy.org Windows works, for sufficently small values of "works". 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