From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 3:12:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from d016.gold.gellivare.se (comnix.com [195.196.65.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D20A037BB91 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 03:12:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@veidit.net) Received: (qmail 31503 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2000 11:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO veidit.net) (193.44.56.36) by comnix.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2000 11:12:09 -0000 Message-ID: <38DF4232.9687E50B@veidit.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:12:50 +0200 From: John Angelmo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: sv, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: PPP Bandwidth management Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I have a need to test som bandwidth management for ppp (pppoe) odes anyone here have any good HOWTO docs or some relly good examples.. I need to inplent int in the userlevel so diffrent users have diffrent bandwidth. /John Angelmo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 3:17:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC57337BC49 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 03:17:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23778; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:17:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200003271117.NAA23778@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: PPP Bandwidth management In-Reply-To: <38DF4232.9687E50B@veidit.net> from John Angelmo at "Mar 27, 2000 01:12:50 pm" To: John Angelmo Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:17:35 +0200 (CEST) Cc: FreeBSD ISP X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi > > I have a need to test som bandwidth management for ppp (pppoe) odes > anyone here have any good HOWTO docs or some relly good examples.. > > I need to inplent int in the userlevel so diffrent users have diffrent > bandwidth. not sure but if you do it with dummynet and ipfw you can probably achieve the goal because ipfw lets you use UID/GID in the rules, and netgraph is (i believe) underneath. cheers luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) Mobile +39-347-0373137 -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 4:52:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from d016.gold.gellivare.se (comnix.com [195.196.65.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E0D1737BB01 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:52:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@veidit.net) Received: (qmail 610 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2000 12:52:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO veidit.net) (193.44.56.36) by comnix.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2000 12:52:20 -0000 Message-ID: <38DF59AE.7A4ED7AF@veidit.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:53:03 +0200 From: John Angelmo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: sv, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: PPP Bandwidth management References: <200003271117.NAA23778@info.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmm well the problem is that I have my server that has the pppoe server stuff and the natd to my card connected to the net. ipfw just uses flush and divert.. do you have any good info? /John Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I have a need to test som bandwidth management for ppp (pppoe) odes > > anyone here have any good HOWTO docs or some relly good examples.. > > > > I need to inplent int in the userlevel so diffrent users have diffrent > > bandwidth. > > not sure but if you do it with dummynet and ipfw you can probably > achieve the goal because ipfw lets you use UID/GID in the rules, > and netgraph is (i believe) underneath. > > cheers > luigi > > -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- > Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione > http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa > TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) > Mobile +39-347-0373137 > -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 5: 0:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4EE37BC86 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 04:59:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24068; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:59:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200003271259.OAA24068@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: PPP Bandwidth management In-Reply-To: <38DF59AE.7A4ED7AF@veidit.net> from John Angelmo at "Mar 27, 2000 02:53:03 pm" To: John Angelmo Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:59:23 +0200 (CEST) Cc: FreeBSD ISP X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hmm well the problem is that I have my server that has the pppoe server > stuff and the natd to my card connected to the net. ipfw just uses flush > and divert.. do you have any good info? very quickly (sorry am in a hurry!) you have to set net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=0 so you can have packets go multiple times through ipfw, then something like ipfw add 100 pipe 1 ip from any to any uid some-user ipfw add 200 divert ip from any to any [this is the old divert rule ] ipfw allow ip from any to any ipfw pipe 1 config bw 300Kbit/s when a pkt matches rule 100, it gets shaped into pipe 1, on exit goes to rule 200 which passes the pkt to natd, and then goes into the next rule after natd (possibly...). hope you get the idea. a bit of experimentation will be necessary. cheers luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) Mobile +39-347-0373137 -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 5:11:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from d016.gold.gellivare.se (comnix.com [195.196.65.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7680C37BBC7 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 05:11:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@veidit.net) Received: (qmail 1068 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2000 13:10:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO veidit.net) (193.44.56.36) by comnix.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2000 13:10:20 -0000 Message-ID: <38DF5DE6.148415B8@veidit.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:11:02 +0200 From: John Angelmo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: sv, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: PPP Bandwidth management References: <200003271259.OAA24068@info.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Great I will try that. I have loads of things to try now :-) /John Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > Hmm well the problem is that I have my server that has the pppoe server > > stuff and the natd to my card connected to the net. ipfw just uses flush > > and divert.. do you have any good info? > > very quickly (sorry am in a hurry!) you have to set > net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=0 so you can have packets go multiple times > through ipfw, then something like > > ipfw add 100 pipe 1 ip from any to any uid some-user > ipfw add 200 divert ip from any to any [this is the old divert rule ] > ipfw allow ip from any to any > > ipfw pipe 1 config bw 300Kbit/s > > when a pkt matches rule 100, it gets shaped into pipe 1, on exit > goes to rule 200 which passes the pkt to natd, and then goes into > the next rule after natd (possibly...). > > hope you get the idea. a bit of experimentation will be necessary. > > cheers > luigi > -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- > Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione > http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa > TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) > Mobile +39-347-0373137 > -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 5:17:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from d016.gold.gellivare.se (comnix.com [195.196.65.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 97C2A37BA4F for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 05:17:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@veidit.net) Received: (qmail 1166 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2000 13:17:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO veidit.net) (193.44.56.36) by comnix.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2000 13:17:35 -0000 Message-ID: <38DF5F99.151AFE89@veidit.net> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:18:17 +0200 From: John Angelmo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: sv, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo , FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: PPP Bandwidth management References: <200003271259.OAA24068@info.iet.unipi.it> <38DF5DE6.148415B8@veidit.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well the ting is that is there possible to put the management on the ppp level? like MP+ or BACP? /John John Angelmo wrote: > > Great I will try that. I have loads of things to try now :-) > > /John > > Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > > > Hmm well the problem is that I have my server that has the pppoe server > > > stuff and the natd to my card connected to the net. ipfw just uses flush > > > and divert.. do you have any good info? > > > > very quickly (sorry am in a hurry!) you have to set > > net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=0 so you can have packets go multiple times > > through ipfw, then something like > > > > ipfw add 100 pipe 1 ip from any to any uid some-user > > ipfw add 200 divert ip from any to any [this is the old divert rule ] > > ipfw allow ip from any to any > > > > ipfw pipe 1 config bw 300Kbit/s > > > > when a pkt matches rule 100, it gets shaped into pipe 1, on exit > > goes to rule 200 which passes the pkt to natd, and then goes into > > the next rule after natd (possibly...). > > > > hope you get the idea. a bit of experimentation will be necessary. > > > > cheers > > luigi > > -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- > > Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione > > http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa > > TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) > > Mobile +39-347-0373137 > > -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 5:22:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934FE37BBB3 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 05:22:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24199; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:22:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200003271322.PAA24199@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: PPP Bandwidth management In-Reply-To: <38DF5F99.151AFE89@veidit.net> from John Angelmo at "Mar 27, 2000 03:18:17 pm" To: John Angelmo Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:22:18 +0200 (CEST) Cc: FreeBSD ISP X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Well the ting is that is there possible to put the management on the ppp > level? like MP+ or BACP? some time ago Kenjiro had a version of altq for ppp -- i have no idea if its still there. In any case i don't know how much you would gain given that the transmit clock in your setting is practically useless to do any kind of shaping. cheers luigi > /John > > > John Angelmo wrote: > > > > Great I will try that. I have loads of things to try now :-) > > > > /John > > > > Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > > > > > Hmm well the problem is that I have my server that has the pppoe server > > > > stuff and the natd to my card connected to the net. ipfw just uses flush > > > > and divert.. do you have any good info? > > > > > > very quickly (sorry am in a hurry!) you have to set > > > net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=0 so you can have packets go multiple times > > > through ipfw, then something like > > > > > > ipfw add 100 pipe 1 ip from any to any uid some-user > > > ipfw add 200 divert ip from any to any [this is the old divert rule ] > > > ipfw allow ip from any to any > > > > > > ipfw pipe 1 config bw 300Kbit/s > > > > > > when a pkt matches rule 100, it gets shaped into pipe 1, on exit > > > goes to rule 200 which passes the pkt to natd, and then goes into > > > the next rule after natd (possibly...). > > > > > > hope you get the idea. a bit of experimentation will be necessary. > > > > > > cheers > > > luigi > > > -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- > > > Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione > > > http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa > > > TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) > > > Mobile +39-347-0373137 > > > -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 5:47:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web1.allunix.com (17.93.rsvl.dsl.quiknet.com [207.231.93.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D9037BB43; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 05:47:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@allunix.com) Received: from laptop ([192.168.3.5]) by web1.allunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA01289; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 05:52:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@allunix.com) Message-Id: <200003271352.FAA01289@web1.allunix.com> From: dave@allunix.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 05:57:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: sandbox of virtual servers Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.12b) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone out there setup a sandbox limiting users to their own home directories in a telnet or ftp session? I have looked all over for docs relating to this issue. I know that there are ISP's out there who offer virtual servers in what I think is a chroot enviroment. Complete with their own sendmail and apache configuration files? As I do not subscribe to the stable list, please cross post it to the isp or questions list. Thank You in Advance, David DeTinne To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 6:38:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from post.com2com.ru (post.com2com.ru [195.98.160.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36F037B70A for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 06:38:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vigov@com2com.ru) Received: from VIGOV (ws80.com2com.ru [195.98.160.80]) by post.com2com.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00479 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:38:23 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from vigov@com2com.ru) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:45:24 +0400 From: vigov X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.39) Educational Reply-To: vigov Organization: 2Com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <9781.000327@com2com.ru> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PPPoE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can anybody tell me or give me a link to what must i use in PPPoE technology in client side? thanx Eugene To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 6:55: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 608) id 89B6337BC05; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 06:55:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: vigov@com2com.ru Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <9781.000327@com2com.ru> (message from vigov on Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:45:24 +0400) Subject: Re: PPPoE Message-Id: <20000327145507.89B6337BC05@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 06:55:07 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Can anybody tell me or give me a link to what must i use in PPPoE > technology in client side? > http://www.freebsd.org/~jmb/PPPoE.configuration jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 8:18:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from elwood.akitanet.co.uk (elwood.akitanet.co.uk [212.1.130.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C4E37B918; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:18:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wigstah@akitanet.co.uk) Received: from elwood.akitanet.co.uk (elwood.akitanet.co.uk [212.1.130.149]) by elwood.akitanet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA45458; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:16:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:16:48 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Robinson To: dave@allunix.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sandbox of virtual servers In-Reply-To: <200003271352.FAA01289@web1.allunix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 dave@allunix.com wrote: > Has anyone out there setup a sandbox limiting users to their own > home directories in a telnet or ftp session? You mean a chroot(2) environemnt? I.e. you stop users getting out of their own hom directory? Are you talking more about the jail() call in FreeBSD 4.0? If all you need is to chroot them, take a look at the OpenBSD ftpd, or in fact proftpd, wu-ftpd etc. If you need to stop them running all over the place in telnet, then you need to write a restricted shell, although I hear there is already one around whose name escapes me. As far as sandboxing is concerned in terms of CGI's and so on, the best webserver I know to handle this is Zeus (which costs around $1500 but is worth every penny). Not only will it sandbox the CGI for you, but it also is easily around 5-10 times faster than Apache in my experience. It also has better stats, can handle a theoretical infinte number of virtual servers, and is generally far easier ot configure, run and maintain than any other piece of software I've encountered in the ISP game. Don't work for them, but I do like their code... :) they're at www.zeustechnology.com > chroot enviroment. Complete with their own sendmail and apache > configuration files? Sounds like jail() which is not really marked for production use at the moment as I understand it. I've also heard a whisper that some of the nasty hax0rs out there have already managed to find a way to break it, although that could all be just smoke and mirrors... :) > As I do not subscribe to the stable list, please cross post it to the > isp or questions list. If you don't subscribe to a list, don't post to it. It's rude. I'm almost tempted to not cross-post it, just to annoy you as much as that statement has annoyed me. :) -- Paul Robinson - Developer/Systems Administrator @ Akitanet Internet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 10: 5:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99B937BCA8; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:05:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA62107; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:05:09 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:05:09 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: vigov@com2com.ru, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PPPoE In-Reply-To: <20000327145507.89B6337BC05@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > Can anybody tell me or give me a link to what must i use in PPPoE > > technology in client side? > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/~jmb/PPPoE.configuration Pretty impressive page jmb. Except one can really do it with just one NIC. http://sympaticousers.org/faq/freebsd_howto.htm Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 10:23:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [207.154.226.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4B737BC8E for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:23:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hpaul@elvis.mu.org) Received: (from hpaul@localhost) by elvis.mu.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA64016; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:25:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hpaul) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:25:03 -0600 (CST) From: "H. Paul Hammann" To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Remote controlled power strips X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14559.41613.385850.24321@elvis.mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is perhaps a little off topic, but I think any ISP, compute farm, etc. with a bunch of FreeBSD machines would be interested in an answer. I have a bunch of Intel machines that are 1 rack-unit high. They stack very nicely in standard 19 inch racks. Currently, we have power strips which can be manipulated remotely via a serial port. Individual sockets can have power removed or restored, which is extremely nice if you want to power cycle a machine but don't want to drive to the office. The only problem is that these power strips have outlets every 6 inches. We have machines every 1.75 inches, so we have to use multiple power strips and the power cords rapidly become messy. It would be ideal to have power strips that have the remote manipulation feature but also have sockets spaced so that there was one per rack unit (1.75 inches IIRC). If anyone knows of dense power strips like this I would be most grateful for any information. If people reply directly to me I will summarize to the list. Thanks in advance. Regards, H. Paul Hammann hpaul@hammann.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 10:40:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [207.154.226.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C447837B60F for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:40:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hpaul@elvis.mu.org) Received: (from hpaul@localhost) by elvis.mu.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA64514; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:42:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hpaul) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:42:20 -0600 (CST) From: "H. Paul Hammann" To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Remote controlled power strips: Clarification X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14559.43577.179081.296825@elvis.mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One thing that I should have been more clear on in my description: If there are dense power strips like this, I imagine they'd only have 6-10 outlets each. This, in fact, is desirable since you can then have one power strip per circuit. Regards, H. Paul Hammann hpaul@hammann.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 11:57:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 608) id 473CB37BAF6; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:57:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET Cc: vigov@com2com.ru, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Vincent Poy on Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:05:09 -1000 (HST)) Subject: Re: PPPoE Message-Id: <20000327195742.473CB37BAF6@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:57:42 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/~jmb/PPPoE.configuration > > Pretty impressive page jmb. Except one can really do it with just > one NIC. > > http://sympaticousers.org/faq/freebsd_howto.htm > with only one NIC ?? one NIC connects to the ADSL modem. one NIC connects to the internal network. logically in between the two NICS are: FreeBSD Squid ipfw jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 12:35:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [208.164.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5B537BE64; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:35:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA63781; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:35:25 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:35:25 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: vigov@com2com.ru, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PPPoE In-Reply-To: <20000327195742.473CB37BAF6@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > http://www.freebsd.org/~jmb/PPPoE.configuration > > > > Pretty impressive page jmb. Except one can really do it with just > > one NIC. > > > > http://sympaticousers.org/faq/freebsd_howto.htm > > with only one NIC ?? > > one NIC connects to the ADSL modem. > one NIC connects to the internal network. > logically in between the two NICS are: > FreeBSD > Squid > ipfw Works fine with One NIC. Remember what you need is a internal 192.168.0.x IP for the internal network and then the ADSL modem communicates with the NIC using a MAC address and the PPPoE protocol. Atleast in Windows, I'm doing NAT with only one Intel Pro100+ Management NIC that is connected directly to the HP ProCurve 2424M Switch and the ADSL Westell modem is connected to the switch. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 12:46:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from greencreek.kappaisle.com (24.65.68.249.on.wave.home.com [24.65.68.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7EE37B720; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:45:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikey@kappaisle.com) Received: from localhost (mikey@localhost) by greencreek.kappaisle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00843; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:48:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mikey@kappaisle.com) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:48:33 -0500 (EST) From: Mike To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Web-based control panel for hosting clients. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear all, We operate a small ISP with FreeBSD servers and would like to implement web-based control panel for hosting clients to check/add/remove/modify information and certain services. However, we are considering the costs between in-house development and purchase a configure-and-run package. The available features we'd like to have are: 1. Account Information - Domain Registrant and Administrative Contact Info 2. Security Feature - Set up a user/password authorization list to restrict browser access to specific areas of the web site. (basically a .htaccess control or similar) 3. Password Changer 4. Disk Usage 5. Virtual Mail - manage e-mail accounts, including add/modify/remove mail aliasing, forwaring, and POP accounts. 6. File Upload - web-based FTP-like program 7. Site Traffic Stats - this will be a link to our stats server 8. Server Status - current server load and operating system info If any of you have experience in developing such control panel or have a ready-to-run solution, we would like to know how much for development or for a copy (licensing issue will be discussed). Thank you very much! Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 13: 0:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from celery.dragondata.com (celery.dragondata.com [205.253.12.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8C937BD41 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:00:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toasty@celery.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by celery.dragondata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA59334; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:00:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from toasty) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <200003272100.PAA59334@celery.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: Remote controlled power strips To: hpaul@hammann.com (H. Paul Hammann) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 15:00:42 -0600 (CST) Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <14559.41613.385850.24321@elvis.mu.org> from "H. Paul Hammann" at Mar 27, 2000 12:25:03 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > This is perhaps a little off topic, but I think any ISP, compute > farm, etc. with a bunch of FreeBSD machines would be interested in an > answer. > > I have a bunch of Intel machines that are 1 rack-unit high. They > stack very nicely in standard 19 inch racks. Currently, we have power > strips which can be manipulated remotely via a serial port. > Individual sockets can have power removed or restored, which is > extremely nice if you want to power cycle a machine but don't want to > drive to the office. The only problem is that these power strips have > outlets every 6 inches. We have machines every 1.75 inches, so we > have to use multiple power strips and the power cords rapidly become > messy. > > It would be ideal to have power strips that have the remote > manipulation feature but also have sockets spaced so that there was > one per rack unit (1.75 inches IIRC). If anyone knows of dense power > strips like this I would be most grateful for any information. If > people reply directly to me I will summarize to the list. Thanks in > advance. > > Regards, > > H. Paul Hammann > hpaul@hammann.com > You're not likely to find these, because of UL regulations on things like this. APC MasterSwitches worked well for me. Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 13:56:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from elwood.akitanet.co.uk (elwood.akitanet.co.uk [212.1.130.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDFD37BBEA for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:56:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wigstah@akitanet.co.uk) Received: from elwood.akitanet.co.uk (elwood.akitanet.co.uk [212.1.130.149]) by elwood.akitanet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA48000; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:56:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:56:13 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Robinson To: "H. Paul Hammann" Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Remote controlled power strips In-Reply-To: <14559.41613.385850.24321@elvis.mu.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, H. Paul Hammann wrote: > It would be ideal to have power strips that have the remote > manipulation feature but also have sockets spaced so that there was > one per rack unit (1.75 inches IIRC). If anyone knows of dense power > strips like this I would be most grateful for any information. If > people reply directly to me I will summarize to the list. Thanks in > advance. Well, 2 solutions spring to mind: 1. Instead of power strips, stick rack-mount UPS kit in there that is controllable remotely, that will already by definition have the sockets arranged in a dense manner. Unfortunately, this means that you waste rackspace. 2. Use multiple strips on opposite sides of the case. First rack goes to left, second to right, third to left, fourth to right etc. If you're strips come from different supplies and your servers are clustered, you even get a reasonable amount of redundancy in a dense environment. Well, that's just a thought, but I've never had to do high-density rack-mounting, so what would I know? :-) -- Paul Robinson - Developer/Systems Administrator @ Akitanet Internet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 14: 1:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from voltage.net (voltage.net [208.189.4.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D3F37BD29 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:01:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sward@voltage.net) Received: from arky (arky.voltage.net [208.189.4.18]) by voltage.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B144716805; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:00:45 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000327155910.00bff920@mail.voltage.net> X-Sender: sward@mail.voltage.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:01:03 -0600 To: Mike From: Susie Ward Subject: Re: Web-based control panel for hosting clients. Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:48 PM 3/27/00 -0500, Mike wrote: >We operate a small ISP with FreeBSD servers and would like to implement >web-based control panel for hosting clients to check/add/remove/modify >information and certain services. However, we are considering the costs >between in-house development and purchase a configure-and-run package. I don't know if it has all the features you're needing, but here is something that might work for you: http://www.psoft.net/ Check out their H*Sphere product. I haven't tried it myself yet, but it looks very nice and the price can't be beat ($500 per 1k customers). Susie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 14: 6: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.prophetnetworks.net (mail.pns.net [63.71.252.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6328537B9ED for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:06:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bvaughn@pns.net) Received: from shell01.pns.net (bvaughn@shell01.prophetnetworks.net [63.71.252.10]) by mail.prophetnetworks.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA06847; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:07:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bvaughn@pns.net) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:58:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Ben Vaughn To: Paul Robinson Cc: "H. Paul Hammann" , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Remote controlled power strips In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try the APC Masterswitch, http://www.apcc.com. These are really cool, and we have a couple here. -biv ---- Ben Vaughn Prophet Network Systems On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Paul Robinson wrote: > On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, H. Paul Hammann wrote: > > > It would be ideal to have power strips that have the remote > > manipulation feature but also have sockets spaced so that there was > > one per rack unit (1.75 inches IIRC). If anyone knows of dense power > > strips like this I would be most grateful for any information. If > > people reply directly to me I will summarize to the list. Thanks in > > advance. > > Well, 2 solutions spring to mind: > > 1. Instead of power strips, stick rack-mount UPS kit in there that is > controllable remotely, that will already by definition have the sockets > arranged in a dense manner. Unfortunately, this means that you waste > rackspace. > > 2. Use multiple strips on opposite sides of the case. First rack goes to > left, second to right, third to left, fourth to right etc. If you're > strips come from different supplies and your servers are clustered, you > even get a reasonable amount of redundancy in a dense environment. > > Well, that's just a thought, but I've never had to do high-density > rack-mounting, so what would I know? :-) > > -- > Paul Robinson - Developer/Systems Administrator @ Akitanet Internet > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 17:18:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web1.allunix.com (17.93.rsvl.dsl.quiknet.com [207.231.93.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1659E37B793; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:18:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@allunix.com) Received: from laptop ([192.168.3.5]) by web1.allunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02460; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:22:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@allunix.com) Message-Id: <200003280122.RAA02460@web1.allunix.com> From: dave@allunix.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:28:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: web based interface for ISP Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.12b) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Could someone repost the URL that was mentioned for a web based menu for an ISP? Thank You, David DeTinne To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 18: 3:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from roble.com (roble.com [206.40.34.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E4137B706 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:03:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sendmail@roble.com) Received: from roble2.roble.com (roble2.roble.com [206.40.34.52]) by roble.com (Roble1b) with SMTP id SAA06490 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:03:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:03:46 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Marquis To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Serial console vs. fixit shell, patch wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org J Wunsch wrote: >> cannot find the fixit.flp source code. >> Anyone know where to look? > >All over the place in /usr/src. The main source is in >/usr/src/release/sysinstall/, that's probably where you can find the >point the fixit shell is being started on ttyv3. This particular system was fixed by swapping out the x86 for a Sparc AXi motherboard. Sparc's default nicely to a serial console and are free of the problems associated with FreeBSD's fixit code. I would like to use headless 2U FreeBSD systems in the future however. To that end I'd be willing to pay someone for a patch (open source of course). The spec requires only that the system drop into a fixit shell when the fixit option is selected, without requiring Alt-F4 or another key sequence. Returning from the fixit shell is unnecessary as the system is rebooted after that point. -- Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 18: 8:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (pop3.islandtransit.org [208.240.196.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DD5937BF38; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:08:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chip@wiegand.org) Received: from chip.homenet [208.194.173.26] by pioneernet.net (SMTPD32-6.00) id A4EC819A00FC; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:11:56 -0800 From: Chip To: Mike , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web-based control panel for hosting clients. Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:08:12 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00032718095502.03214@chip.homenet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There's a program call Webmin that does some, but not all, of what you are looking for, via a web browser on a remote machine. Might be worth looking into. They're located at www.webmin.com. Chip www.wiegand.org On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Mike wrote: > Dear all, > > We operate a small ISP with FreeBSD servers and would like to implement > web-based control panel for hosting clients to check/add/remove/modify > information and certain services. However, we are considering the costs > between in-house development and purchase a configure-and-run package. > > The available features we'd like to have are: > 1. Account Information - Domain Registrant and Administrative Contact Info > 2. Security Feature - Set up a user/password authorization list to > restrict browser access to specific areas of the > web site. (basically a .htaccess control or similar) > 3. Password Changer > 4. Disk Usage > 5. Virtual Mail - manage e-mail accounts, including add/modify/remove > mail aliasing, forwaring, and POP accounts. > 6. File Upload - web-based FTP-like program > 7. Site Traffic Stats - this will be a link to our stats server > 8. Server Status - current server load and operating system info > > > If any of you have experience in developing such control panel or have a > ready-to-run solution, we would like to know how much for development or > for a copy (licensing issue will be discussed). > > Thank you very much! > > Mike > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 18:21:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from watson.ficsgrp.com (watson.ficsgrp.com [194.74.111.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF59A37B719; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:21:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from harry.woodward-clarke@s1.com) Received: from mail.au.ficsgrp.com ([194.74.111.35]) by watson.ficsgrp.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA413E; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 04:20:43 +0200 Received: from S1.com ([172.16.48.219]) by mail.au.ficsgrp.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id 1708; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:24:08 +1000 Message-ID: <38E01705.4B86FB3D@S1.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:20:53 +0000 From: Harry Woodward-Clarke X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chip Cc: Mike , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web-based control panel for hosting clients. References: <00032718095502.03214@chip.homenet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org regarding Webmin: > > There's a program call Webmin that does some, but not all, of what you > are looking for, via a web browser on a remote machine. Might be worth > looking into. They're located at www.webmin.com. > Chip I find it very useful. There are some minor things now and then that you need to 'tweak by hand', but then, Webmin also offers a telnet client! So you can telnet in and do the hand mod's. Webmin can also be customised. You can add your own scripts and such so that if there is something missing, you can 'plug it in'. I've not done this, but a friend (who put me onto FreeBSD) does, and he tells me it is "very good". So, as Chip said, check out Webmin. If it doesn't do now what you want, there is a good chance it will do so with a little hacking. H To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 18:30: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from epsilon.lucida.qc.ca (epsilon.lucida.qc.ca [216.95.146.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AB1C37BA1F for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:29:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET) Received: (qmail 29800 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Mar 2000 02:29:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Mar 2000 02:29:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:29:43 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Heckaman X-Sender: matt@epsilon.lucida.qc.ca To: Harry Woodward-Clarke Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: Web-based control panel for hosting clients. In-Reply-To: <38E01705.4B86FB3D@S1.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Harry Woodward-Clarke wrote: [...] : I find it very useful. There are some minor things now and then that you : need to 'tweak by hand', but then, Webmin also offers a telnet client! : So you can telnet in and do the hand mod's. : There is a SSH module for it as well, no? Matt Heckaman matt@arpa.mail.net http://www.lucida.qc.ca -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: http://www.lucida.qc.ca/pgp iD8DBQE44BkadMMtMcA1U5ARAvvuAKCpJjU1Le7Rzp07oupRHGBVhwfw3wCfTvBs syQ4xZY9muT/2B85hbyRcAU= =zC76 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 18:34:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web1.allunix.com (17.93.rsvl.dsl.quiknet.com [207.231.93.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0A037B8DA for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:34:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@allunix.com) Received: from laptop ([192.168.3.5]) by web1.allunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02607; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:38:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@allunix.com) Message-Id: <200003280238.SAA02607@web1.allunix.com> From: dave@allunix.com To: Chip Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 18:43:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Web-based control panel for hosting clients. Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <00032718095502.03214@chip.homenet> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.12b) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 27 Mar 00, at 18:08, Chip wrote: > There's a program call Webmin that does some, but not all, of what you > are looking for, via a web browser on a remote machine. Might be worth > looking into. They're located at www.webmin.com. > Chip > www.wiegand.org I thought about this but the problem is that webmin runs as an additional httpd server so if you were going to allow each user to have a front end woulden't that be a process per server? It is a great package for overall admin tasks. David DeTinne To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 27 20: 0:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (pop3.islandtransit.org [208.240.196.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB96437BE19 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:00:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chip@wiegand.org) Received: from chip.homenet [208.194.173.26] by pioneernet.net (SMTPD32-6.00) id AF102F9300E0; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:03:28 -0800 From: Chip To: dave@allunix.com Subject: Re: Web-based control panel for hosting clients. Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:59:59 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200003280238.SAA02607@web1.allunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00032720012700.03474@chip.homenet> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, dave@allunix.com wrote: > On 27 Mar 00, at 18:08, Chip wrote: > > > There's a program call Webmin that does some, but not all, of what you > > are looking for, via a web browser on a remote machine. Might be worth > > looking into. They're located at www.webmin.com. > > Chip > > www.wiegand.org > > > I thought about this but the problem is that webmin runs as an > additional httpd server so if you were going to allow each user to > have a front end woulden't that be a process per server? > > It is a great package for overall admin tasks. > > David DeTinne I'm afraid I can't answer that question, I'm only a new user with webmin, but why would each user need to run the interface? It's only for admins for tweaking the system. Chip www.wiegand.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 0:41:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A57337BA3C for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:41:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p14-dn01kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.15]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id RAA19459; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:40:44 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <38E068BB.C12A68C6@newsguy.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:09:31 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Robinson Cc: dave@allunix.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sandbox of virtual servers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paul Robinson wrote: > > Sounds like jail() which is not really marked for production use at the > moment as I understand it. I've also heard a whisper that some of the Huh? What gave you that impression? Jail is fine. Some ways out of it were found by rwatson, who worked on it recently, and fixed. He also improved the jail's documentation. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@zurichgnomes.bsdconspiracy.net The size of the pizza is inversely proportional to the intensity of the hunger. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 0:43:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from post.com2com.ru (post.com2com.ru [195.98.160.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D98237B653 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:43:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vigov@com2com.ru) Received: from VIGOV (ws80.com2com.ru [195.98.160.80]) by post.com2com.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16501 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:43:47 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from vigov@com2com.ru) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:50:47 +0400 From: vigov X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.39) Educational Reply-To: vigov Organization: 2Com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <16535.000328@com2com.ru> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ppp and chap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have FBSD server with running pptpd wich run pppd. I'm using chap. And i'd like to know who are log in. There're a lot of ways to do it with pap, but i'm using chap. Eugene To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 2:16:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A96E537B58E for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 02:16:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hbenedict_fbsd@yahoo.com) Received: from ppp53-jkt3.indosat.net.id (HELO radiance) (202.155.28.180) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2000 02:15:56 -0800 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <200003281717300350.00769894@smtp.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200003281125420050.0039848C@smtp.mail.yahoo.com> <200003281709490530.006F9035@smtp.indosat.net.id> <200003281713040510.00728A06@smtp.indosat.net.id> <200003281713290560.0072EBF4@smtp.indosat.net.id> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.00.00.14 (3) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:17:30 +0700 From: "Benedict H" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Gateway problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====_95423865026962=_" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=====_95423865026962=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I'm trying to get my FreeBSD 3.3 box up and running as a gateway between 2 local subnets. I have already recompile the kernel with the IPFIREWALL, IPFIREWALL_FORWARD, IPFILTER, DUMMYNET, and BRIDGE options. Currently the firewall rule is allow all from any to any. subnet1 -- gw -- subnet2 Here's what I've got at the console when I type netstat -r: localhost localhost UH 0 1 lo0 192.168.1/26 link#3 UC 0 0 ep0 gw UHLW 0 2 lo0 192.168.1.5 UHLW 1 1550 ep0 694 192.168.2/26 link#1 UC 0 0 xl0 gw UHLW 0 136 lo0 192.168.2.63 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff UHLWb 1 1 xl0 But I encountered a problem, when I ping from gw box to host1 box, I always have the responses back to me in about 10 to 40 seconds. Then in the host1 machine, I type "tcpdump -i ep0" at the console and I think host1 runs correctly, because it always reply immediately after it gets the echo request. When I unplugged my xl0 device out of the machine, everything goes well. Anyone, please help me fix this problem. Thank you Benedict --=====_95423865026962=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Hi,
 

I'm trying to get my FreeBSD 3.3 box up and running as a gateway between
2 local subnets. I have already recompile the kernel with the IPFIREWALL,
IPFIREWALL_FORWARD, IPFILTER, DUMMYNET, and BRIDGE options.
Currently the firewall rule is allow all from any to any.
 
            subnet1 -- gw -- subnet2
 

Here's what I've got at the console when I type netstat -r:
 
localhost       localhost           UH    0   1   lo0
192.168.1/26    link#3              UC    0   0   ep0
gw              <gw ep0 ether addr> UHLW  0   2   lo0
192.168.1.5     <host1 ether addr>  UHLW  1  1550 ep0  694
192.168.2/26    link#1              UC    0   0   xl0
gw              <gw xl0 ether addr> UHLW  0   136 lo0
192.168.2.63    ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff   UHLWb 1   1   xl0
 
But I encountered a problem, when I ping from gw box to host1 box,
I always have the responses back to me in about 10 to 40 seconds.
Then in the host1 machine, I type "tcpdump -i ep0" at the console
and I think host1 runs correctly, because it always reply immediately
after it gets the echo request.
 
When I unplugged my xl0 device out of the machine, everything goes well.
 
 
 

Anyone, please help me fix this problem.
 

Thank you
 

Benedict
--=====_95423865026962=_-- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 5:39:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from d016.gold.gellivare.se (comnix.com [195.196.65.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B88437BF1D for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 05:39:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@veidit.net) Received: (qmail 22892 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2000 13:39:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO veidit.net) (193.44.56.36) by comnix.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2000 13:39:20 -0000 Message-ID: <38E0B632.62C7CD1E@veidit.net> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:40:02 +0200 From: John Angelmo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: sv, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: PPP Bandwidth management References: <200003271259.OAA24068@info.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi again Lets say that I have 1024Kbit/s to share to my users lets say 3 users with a garanteed bandwidth of 300Kbit/s down and 100Kbit/s upstream. When a person doesen't use the bandwidth I shuld beable to use it so the pipe is removed temporarily and re established when the user is back online. How can I fix that? /John Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > Hmm well the problem is that I have my server that has the pppoe server > > stuff and the natd to my card connected to the net. ipfw just uses flush > > and divert.. do you have any good info? > > very quickly (sorry am in a hurry!) you have to set > net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=0 so you can have packets go multiple times > through ipfw, then something like > > ipfw add 100 pipe 1 ip from any to any uid some-user > ipfw add 200 divert ip from any to any [this is the old divert rule ] > ipfw allow ip from any to any > > ipfw pipe 1 config bw 300Kbit/s > > when a pkt matches rule 100, it gets shaped into pipe 1, on exit > goes to rule 200 which passes the pkt to natd, and then goes into > the next rule after natd (possibly...). > > hope you get the idea. a bit of experimentation will be necessary. > > cheers > luigi > -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- > Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione > http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa > TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) > Mobile +39-347-0373137 > -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 6:14:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from greencreek.kappaisle.com (24.65.68.249.on.wave.home.com [24.65.68.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B8B37B7CB; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 06:14:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikey@kappaisle.com) Received: from localhost (mikey@localhost) by greencreek.kappaisle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02134; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:17:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mikey@kappaisle.com) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:17:22 -0500 (EST) From: Mike To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web-based control panel for hosting clients. In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000327155910.00bff920@mail.voltage.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Deal all, Thank you all for your prompt and helpful replies, we really appreciate it. As many have suggested, Webmin does the types of features we'd like. However, from our experience, webmin seems to be more for the system administrators rather than for web hosting clients eventhough you can create different user accounts with specific privilege and services the clients can administrate. The other concern is that webmin runs as a mini HTTP server itself, and we don't have any clue how good it is in handling large concurrent requests and other performance and security issues. What Susie has recommended here definitely worth a visit. The H*Sphere product does exactly what we're looking for. For those who are interested, you may find out more information at: http://www.psoft.net/ Thank you all once again for all the solutions. Regards, Mike On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Susie Ward wrote: > At 03:48 PM 3/27/00 -0500, Mike wrote: > >We operate a small ISP with FreeBSD servers and would like to implement > >web-based control panel for hosting clients to check/add/remove/modify > >information and certain services. However, we are considering the costs > >between in-house development and purchase a configure-and-run package. > > I don't know if it has all the features you're needing, but here is > something that might work for you: > > http://www.psoft.net/ > > Check out their H*Sphere product. I haven't tried it myself yet, but it > looks very nice and the price can't be beat ($500 per 1k customers). > > Susie > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 6:33: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B68C37BED3 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 06:32:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29288; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:32:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200003281432.QAA29288@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: PPP Bandwidth management In-Reply-To: <38E0B632.62C7CD1E@veidit.net> from John Angelmo at "Mar 28, 2000 03:40:02 pm" To: John Angelmo Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:32:00 +0200 (CEST) Cc: FreeBSD ISP X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Hi again > > Lets say that I have 1024Kbit/s to share to my users > > lets say 3 users with a garanteed bandwidth of 300Kbit/s down and > 100Kbit/s upstream. When a person doesen't use the bandwidth I shuld > beable to use it so the pipe is removed temporarily and re established > when the user is back online. > > How can I fix that? i think what you really want is weighted fair queueing which is in ALTQ but not in dummynet (yet... it's on the way, but how fast it will come depends on when i find some support for this work). cheers luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) Mobile +39-347-0373137 -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 7:18:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from d016.gold.gellivare.se (comnix.com [195.196.65.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7DC737BF8A for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:18:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@veidit.net) Received: (qmail 24448 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2000 15:18:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO veidit.net) (193.44.56.36) by comnix.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2000 15:18:39 -0000 Message-ID: <38E0CD7A.FA8B3ABA@veidit.net> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:19:22 +0200 From: John Angelmo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: sv, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: PPP Bandwidth management References: <200003281432.QAA29288@info.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmm sorry but What is Altq? /John Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > > > Hi again > > > > Lets say that I have 1024Kbit/s to share to my users > > > > lets say 3 users with a garanteed bandwidth of 300Kbit/s down and > > 100Kbit/s upstream. When a person doesen't use the bandwidth I shuld > > beable to use it so the pipe is removed temporarily and re established > > when the user is back online. > > > > How can I fix that? > > i think what you really want is weighted fair queueing which is in > ALTQ but not in dummynet (yet... it's on the way, but how fast it > will come depends on when i find some support for this work). > > cheers > luigi > -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- > Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione > http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa > TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) > Mobile +39-347-0373137 > -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 7:37:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A3A37BF09 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:37:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA21649; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:37:53 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003281537.KAA21649@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:33:22 -0500 To: John Angelmo From: Dennis Subject: Re: PPP Bandwidth management Cc: FreeBSD ISP In-Reply-To: <38E0B632.62C7CD1E@veidit.net> References: <200003271259.OAA24068@info.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:40 PM 3/28/00 +0200, John Angelmo wrote: > >Hi again > >Lets say that I have 1024Kbit/s to share to my users > >lets say 3 users with a garanteed bandwidth of 300Kbit/s down and >100Kbit/s upstream. When a person doesen't use the bandwidth I shuld >beable to use it so the pipe is removed temporarily and re established >when the user is back online. What you really need is a full-featured bandwidth management system. ALTQ will not do what you want efficiently. You can use our software for freebsd either in your PPP box or in a dual-ethernet system between your router and your PPP servers to controll your entire network. The ET/BWMGR has multiple features to allocate and share bandwidth..you can define priority classes, bandwidth class groups and also define bursting which is controlled by overall availabilitiy of bandwidth. www.etinc.com Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 7:59:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3C537C010 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:59:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29627; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:00:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200003281600.SAA29627@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: PPP Bandwidth management In-Reply-To: <38E0CD7A.FA8B3ABA@veidit.net> from John Angelmo at "Mar 28, 2000 05:19:22 pm" To: John Angelmo Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:00:03 +0200 (CEST) Cc: FreeBSD ISP X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hmm sorry but What is Altq? alternate queueing framework implemented by Kenjiro Cho. but dont ask me to explain fair queueing, it's a bit too long! cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 8: 3:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from d016.gold.gellivare.se (comnix.com [195.196.65.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F65537BF10 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:03:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@veidit.net) Received: (qmail 25239 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2000 16:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO veidit.net) (193.44.56.36) by comnix.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2000 16:03:24 -0000 Message-ID: <38E0D7F7.2A9391B4@veidit.net> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:04:07 +0200 From: John Angelmo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: sv, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: PPP Bandwidth management References: <200003281600.SAA29627@info.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No problem :-) but where can I find it? Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > Hmm sorry but What is Altq? > > alternate queueing framework implemented by Kenjiro Cho. > > but dont ask me to explain fair queueing, it's a bit too long! > > cheers > luigi > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 8:29: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (serial1-2-velvet-brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECF837BF55 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:28:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA02501 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 02:28:49 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 02:28:48 +1000 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPP Bandwidth management In-Reply-To: <38E0D7F7.2A9391B4@veidit.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, John Angelmo wrote: Re: ALT-Q > No problem :-) > > but where can I find it? My (electronic) note pad has the following URL in it, which still works... http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/person/kjc/programs.html I downloaded the latest release of ALT-Q but be warned, the documentation isn't too bad, but there isn't much in the way of general information on how it works and where you would use it. Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ Sensation Internet Services http://info.sensation.net.au/ Melbourne, Australia Phone: +61-3-9388-9260 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 8:38:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from d016.gold.gellivare.se (comnix.com [195.196.65.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 693B437BF73 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:38:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@veidit.net) Received: (qmail 26186 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2000 16:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO veidit.net) (193.44.56.36) by comnix.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2000 16:38:08 -0000 Message-ID: <38E0E01A.D64EACD1@veidit.net> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:38:50 +0200 From: John Angelmo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: sv, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: PPP Bandwidth management References: <200003281600.SAA29627@info.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org AltQ: http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/person/kjc/kjc/software.html I will try it and give you the results.. /John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 12: 8:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from laf.cioe.com (laf.cioe.com [204.120.165.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2279E37BB34 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:08:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Received: from ny1wsh031 (blackhole.cioe.com [204.120.165.44]) by laf.cioe.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA67073 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:08:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Message-ID: <023801bf98f1$4fa70770$851a050a@winstar.com> From: "Steven E. Ames" To: Subject: Finally: sendmail 8.10 and SMTP Auth Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:07:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Whew. I finally managed to get SMTP Auth working with sendmail 8.10 and FBSD. Here's the basic steps. If someone else has done this and it can be done more smoothly (or if I left something out thats going to bite me l8r) let me know... 1. Install cyrus-SASL from /usr/ports/security 2. Create /usr/local/lib/sasl/Sendmail.conf pwcheck_method: passwd 3. download the sendmail.8.10.0.tar.gz file. uncomress/untar it 4. Edit devtools/OS/FreeBSD -define(`confMAPDEF', `-DNEWDB -DNIS -DMAP_REGEX') -define(`confLIBS', `-lutil') +define(`confMAPDEF', `-DNEWDB -DNIS -DMAP_REGEX -DSASL=1') +define(`confLIBS', `-lutil -L/usr/local/lib -lsasl') 5. cd sendmail. sh Build && sh Build install 6. (sh Build && sh Build install) (do this in mail.local, etc...) 7. create a new .cf file cd cf/cf cp /usr/src/etc/senmail/freebsd.mc . edit freebsd.mc +TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`LOGIN') +define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS',`LOGIN PLAIN') sh Build freebsd.cf cp freebsd.cf /etc/mail/sendmail.cf 8. Move /etc/aliases to /etc/mail/aliases and 'newaliases' 9. Modify /etc/make.conf: NO_SENDMAIL= true This line keeps 'make world' from overwriting the sendmail you just built with the version that comes with the OS. Until the OS version does what we want this is a necessary evil. And that should be that. Much fun. -Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 13:28:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from noc.wnonline.net (noc.wnonline.net [216.4.88.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FEA437B799 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:28:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe.kamm@wnonline.net) Received: from localhost (jk@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by noc.wnonline.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16630 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:28:12 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joe.kamm@wnonline.net) From: joe.kamm@wnonline.net Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:28:12 -0600 (CST) X-Sender: jk@localhost Reply-To: joe.kamm@wnonline.net To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: network virus scanners Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org does anyone actively use network virus scanners on their machines? i.e. samba machines checking accounting files, or tech support kiddies? -jk --- joe kamm network administrator worldnet communications inc. network operations 318/213.9827 what's your .net worth?...ours will mean the world to you! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 14: 2:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from well.apcs.com.au (well.apcs.com.au [203.41.196.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C22237BEE8 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:02:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keith@well.apcs.com.au) Received: (from keith@localhost) by well.apcs.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA19466; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:02:50 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from keith) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200003280122.RAA02460@web1.allunix.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:02:50 +1100 (EST) From: Keith To: dave@allunix.com Subject: RE: web based interface for ISP Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.apcs.com.au ISP accounting/ user control etc.... Keith On 27-Mar-00 dave@allunix.com wrote: > Could someone repost the URL that was mentioned for a web > based menu for an ISP? > > Thank You, > > David DeTinne > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Keith Anderson Australia Power Control Systems Pty. Limited. Member of the Australian Technology Showcase. http://www.apcs.com.au +61 2 66 534843 Date: 29-Mar-00 Time: 08:01:54 Satellite Service 64K to 8Meg EzyISP Accounting Systems -------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 14:22:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from laf.cioe.com (laf.cioe.com [204.120.165.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAAD37C070 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:22:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Received: from ny1wsh031 (blackhole.cioe.com [204.120.165.44]) by laf.cioe.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA86305; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:22:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from steve@ns1.cioe.com) Message-ID: <036c01bf9904$16f04ff0$851a050a@winstar.com> From: "Steven E. Ames" To: "Bryan Bradsby" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Help! / Re: Finally: sendmail 8.10 and SMTP Auth Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:22:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Whew. I finally managed to get SMTP Auth working with sendmail 8.10 and > > FBSD. Here's the basic steps. If someone else has done this and it can > > be done more smoothly (or if I left something out thats going to bite me > > l8r) let me know... > > How do I test it? What client did you use? I used outlook express. I made sure to try it from an IP that would normally get "relaying denied". Outlook Express only supports 'LOGIN' type SASL. For a list of SASL clients: http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/mel/SASL_ClientRef.html This is also a solid reference piece: http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/auth.html > > > > 1. Install cyrus-SASL from /usr/ports/security > > 2. Create /usr/local/lib/sasl/Sendmail.conf > > > > pwcheck_method: passwd > > I used 'pwcheck_method: shadow' instead. Is this wrong? shadow is supposed to use /etc/shadow. I'd say under FBSD this is wrong. -Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 15:31: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web1.allunix.com (17.93.rsvl.dsl.quiknet.com [207.231.93.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9495D37B7DC for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:30:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@allunix.com) Received: from laptop ([192.168.3.5]) by web1.allunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04903; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:35:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@allunix.com) Message-Id: <200003282335.PAA04903@web1.allunix.com> From: dave@allunix.com To: Mike Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:40:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Web-based control panel for hosting clients. Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <4.2.0.58.20000327155910.00bff920@mail.voltage.net> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.12b) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike, I am in the same situation as you, an ISP which would like to offer something like the Plus Mail system, which is a web based interface for doing redirects .htaccess and such. It does appear that h sphere fills all of our needs but I am concerned about their script overwriting all of my configurations? Does this mean that any changes made outside of the interface will be overwrote? Could you let me know what you think if you try it on a production box? Thank you, David DeTinne Allunix Consulting On 28 Mar 00, at 9:17, Mike wrote: > Deal all, > > Thank you all for your prompt and helpful replies, we really appreciate > it. > > As many have suggested, Webmin does the types of features we'd > like. However, from our experience, webmin seems to be more for the > system administrators rather than for web hosting clients eventhough > you can create different user accounts with specific privilege and > services the clients can administrate. The other concern is that webmin > runs as a mini HTTP server itself, and we don't have any clue how good it > is in handling large concurrent requests and other performance and > security issues. > > What Susie has recommended here definitely worth a visit. The > H*Sphere product does exactly what we're looking for. For those who are > interested, you may find out more information at: > > http://www.psoft.net/ > > Thank you all once again for all the solutions. > > Regards, > > Mike > > > On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Susie Ward wrote: > > > At 03:48 PM 3/27/00 -0500, Mike wrote: > > >We operate a small ISP with FreeBSD servers and would like to implement > > >web-based control panel for hosting clients to check/add/remove/modify > > >information and certain services. However, we are considering the costs > > >between in-house development and purchase a configure-and-run package. > > > > I don't know if it has all the features you're needing, but here is > > something that might work for you: > > > > http://www.psoft.net/ > > > > Check out their H*Sphere product. I haven't tried it myself yet, but it > > looks very nice and the price can't be beat ($500 per 1k customers). > > > > Susie > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 16:23:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from iohost.com (io001.iohost.com [209.189.124.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0073337B52A for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:23:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntserver (w146.z206111055.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [206.111.55.146]) by iohost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA09243; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:07:42 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000328160701.0352e140@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:07:01 -0800 To: Keith , dave@allunix.com From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: RE: web based interface for ISP Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <200003280122.RAA02460@web1.allunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Keith, I looked at the web site and it doesn't explain anything about the software, do you have more info on it? Thank you, Randy Katz At 08:02 AM 3/29/00 +1100, Keith wrote: >http://www.apcs.com.au > >ISP accounting/ user control > >etc.... > > >Keith > >On 27-Mar-00 dave@allunix.com wrote: >> Could someone repost the URL that was mentioned for a web >> based menu for an ISP? >> >> Thank You, >> >> David DeTinne >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > >---------------------------------- >E-Mail: Keith Anderson >Australia Power Control Systems Pty. Limited. >Member of the Australian Technology Showcase. >http://www.apcs.com.au >+61 2 66 534843 >Date: 29-Mar-00 >Time: 08:01:54 >Satellite Service 64K to 8Meg >EzyISP Accounting Systems >-------------------------------- > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 18:41:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from enya.clari.net.au (enya.clari.net.au [203.8.14.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8547A37BF30 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:41:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (danny@localhost) by enya.clari.net.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24883 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:41:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from danny@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: enya.clari.net.au: danny owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:41:22 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" X-Sender: danny@enya.clari.net.au To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: DoS attacks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know a URL for technical info on the recent DoS on Yahoo! etc. The reports I've found all refer to "floods of packets", but don't say whether they were TCP SYN or SYN/ACK or what. GlobalCenter, who look after the Yahoo! facilities managed to do something to quell the attack, but it took them a few hours. Anyone know what they did? I use GlobalCenter Melbourne, myself, so I'll ask the techs there if they can find out, too. Can anyone share the steps they have taken to limit the effect of these attacks on their own facilities. Thanks, Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 19:42: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from peppermint.national.com.au (peppermint.national.com.au [203.57.240.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41EF37B67D; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 19:39:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nconedd@peppermint.national.com.au) Received: (from nconedd@localhost) by peppermint.national.com.au (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id NAA29456; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:33:24 +1000 (EST) From: Enno Davids Message-Id: <200003290333.NAA29456@peppermint.national.com.au> Subject: Re: DoS attacks In-Reply-To: from Daniel O'Callaghan at "Mar 29, 0 12:41:22 pm" To: danny@FreeBSD.ORG (Daniel O'Callaghan) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:33:24 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org |earlier Danny wrote: | | Does anyone know a URL for technical info on the recent DoS on Yahoo! etc. | The reports I've found all refer to "floods of packets", but don't say | whether they were TCP SYN or SYN/ACK or what. There are various analyses of these attacks around. The tools have split into three development streams (like all the best open source projects do!) under the names stacheldraht, trinoo and tfn. For some discussion and a comprehensive set of links have a look at: http://securityportal.com/direct.cgi?/research/ddosfaq.html http://securityportal.com/ddos/ | GlobalCenter, who look after the Yahoo! facilities managed to do something | to quell the attack, but it took them a few hours. Anyone know what they | did? I use GlobalCenter Melbourne, myself, so I'll ask the techs there if | they can find out, too. Generally the thing that distinguishes these attacks is that they don't need to moderate load on the attacking systems given that they use so many (usually compromised) systems to mount the attacks. Hence the attacks tend to eschew easily filtered things like large pings and SYN attacks in favour of things that look like real traffic. The challenge then is to identify DoS traffic and filter it as close to the source as possible. Because the attacks tend to originate at lots of systems distributed around the net, simple filtering will not work to stop them. | Can anyone share the steps they have taken to limit the effect of these | attacks on their own facilities. There's not a lot you _can_ do. Essentially it looks like real traffic, can pound on any legitimate service you expose and simply overwhelms your capacity to respond. In fact, it can in extremis even hit services you don't expose and simply use up all your bandwidth in packets which bounce off your packet filter/firewall. The real fix is for everyone to make sure their sites are secure. These attacks are all built on compromising other people's systems as platforms to launch the attack on third parties. The victim is attacked by systems which have themselves been hijacked to that purpose and hence the real fix is to prevent the hijacking to begin with. Enno. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 20: 9:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (serial1-2-velvet-brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEED537BBE3 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:09:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05030 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:09:35 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:09:32 +1000 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DoS attacks In-Reply-To: <200003290333.NAA29456@peppermint.national.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Enno Davids wrote: > The real fix is for everyone to make sure their sites are secure. These > attacks are all built on compromising other people's systems as platforms > to launch the attack on third parties. The victim is attacked by systems > which have themselves been hijacked to that purpose and hence the real fix > is to prevent the hijacking to begin with. I'll make a sweeping generalisation here... Probably most of the people on this list are well aware of even basic security issues and have their boxes reasonably secure. It's the people who "click here to install Linux RH 5.1" that are the problem! :-( Not just home users hanging off a 56k modem, either... Getting every box secure would be even more difficult than something which is already impossible - every ISP blocking spoofed packets and not permitting them to reach the outside world. On that note, here's a simple ipfw set of rules for a single IP block: ipfw a nnn deny log ip from x.x.x.x to any in via iface # disallow packets IN which have one of our IPs - external spoof ipfw a nnn allow ip from x.x.x.x to any out via iface # permit packets OUT which originate from one of our IPs - valid ipfw a nnn deny log ip from any to any out via iface # disallow packets OUT which *don't* originate from one of our IPs - internal spoof Of course this will become much more complicated with more IP blocks, multiple POPs, transit for other ISPs etc passing through. I have rules similar to the above on both my transit and customer links (in the latter case, the first rule is not used) Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ Sensation Internet Services http://info.sensation.net.au/ Melbourne, Australia Phone: +61-3-9388-9260 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 20:14:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.basspro.com (mail.basspro.com [12.14.224.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5512037C085; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:14:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from troyk@basspro.com) Received: from basspro.com ([192.168.5.205]) by mail.basspro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23032; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:17:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from troyk@basspro.com) Message-ID: <38E1834D.C42B409C@basspro.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:15:09 -0600 From: Troy Kittrell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DoS attacks References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've searched high and low for technical reports myself, not only from the perspective of reacting to an attack of this nature but attempting to prevent the attack. Results be nada. www.securityfocus.com offers some interesting downloads of software that scans a system for software that is probably one of the malicious clients on a DoS attack, but I've yet to find a technical document that presents a solution that prevents the attack. I've also been going through an analysis of our own primary firewall solution (in hopes of finding a more robust product) and have found that vendors seem to answer this (DoS) problem with hardware that can handle more connections than can be "faked" through your bandwidth. It's just my opinion, but I don't think there is a pre-emptive answer for DoS attacks other than doing everything you can to make sure that (your) routers are configured to not to be influenced by outside sources. One serious problem I myself have realized is that AOL, with it's wondermous proxy project, can send so many users to our site at once that, from a single IP address, for all outward appearances could possibly be an attack. The DoS attack can't, AFAIK, be specifically identified and blocked. Hence the recent approach from vendors that I've noticed is to provide maximum over-kill on (firewalling/load-balancing) devices that can handle the trin00, tribal flood network, stacheldraht (?sp) or distributed smurf attack. The over-kill is in that it can handle so many "hung" socket connections that normal traffic can still get through. Will it work? Only time will tell... Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > Does anyone know a URL for technical info on the recent DoS on Yahoo! etc. > The reports I've found all refer to "floods of packets", but don't say > whether they were TCP SYN or SYN/ACK or what. > > GlobalCenter, who look after the Yahoo! facilities managed to do something > to quell the attack, but it took them a few hours. Anyone know what they > did? I use GlobalCenter Melbourne, myself, so I'll ask the techs there if > they can find out, too. > > Can anyone share the steps they have taken to limit the effect of these > attacks on their own facilities. > > Thanks, > > Danny > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 28 20:40:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.basspro.com (mail.basspro.com [12.14.224.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CEEE37BA89 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:40:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from troyk@basspro.com) Received: from basspro.com ([192.168.5.205]) by mail.basspro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23227; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:42:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from troyk@basspro.com) Message-ID: <38E18929.B31C44E7@basspro.com> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:40:09 -0600 From: Troy Kittrell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rowan Crowe Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DoS attacks References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rowan Crowe wrote: > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Enno Davids wrote: > > > The real fix is for everyone to make sure their sites are secure. These > > attacks are all built on compromising other people's systems as platforms > > to launch the attack on third parties. The victim is attacked by systems > > which have themselves been hijacked to that purpose and hence the real fix > > is to prevent the hijacking to begin with. > > I'll make a sweeping generalisation here... > > Probably most of the people on this list are well aware of even basic > security issues and have their boxes reasonably secure. Agreed... > > > It's the people who "click here to install Linux RH 5.1" that are the > problem! :-( Not just home users hanging off a 56k modem, either... > I would beg to differ here. Experience has taught me that "clicking a button" with _any_ form of FreeBSD install is far more likely to result in a useful (translated to vulnerable) system than Linux install FreeBSD, while being so much more secure from the ground up than Linux (IMHO) is still just as prone to stupid human errors as Linux is. > > Getting every box secure would be even more difficult than something which > is already impossible - every ISP blocking spoofed packets and not > permitting them to reach the outside world. It seems to me that this could only be accomplished by a total commitment from every back-bone provider. Would/could this not be a provision of some sort of QOS agreement? > > > On that note, here's a simple ipfw set of rules for a single IP block: > > ipfw a nnn deny log ip from x.x.x.x to any in via iface > # disallow packets IN which have one of our IPs - external spoof > > ipfw a nnn allow ip from x.x.x.x to any out via iface > # permit packets OUT which originate from one of our IPs - valid > > ipfw a nnn deny log ip from any to any out via iface > # disallow packets OUT which *don't* originate from one of our IPs - > internal spoof > > Of course this will become much more complicated with more IP blocks, > multiple POPs, transit for other ISPs etc passing through. > > I have rules similar to the above on both my transit and customer links > (in the latter case, the first rule is not used) woulda, coulda, shoulda. I feel that the problem here is that there are too many (possible) DoS clients out there on networks that aren't held accountable. Until there is some definite financial responsibility/liabilty, there vulnerable client DoS systems will exist, and you and I (and yahoo.com) will have to deal with them. As long as the person(s) responsible for these vulnerable systems can show up in court and say "gee Your Honour, I didn't know that could happen, I've already started fixing it," no one will pay the price but the targets of the attacks. Once again, IMHO. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 2:38:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F9837C0C1; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 02:38:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jon@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA76584; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:37:24 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jon) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:37:21 +1000 From: Jonathan Michaels To: Troy Kittrell Cc: "Daniel O'Callaghan" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DoS attacks Message-ID: <20000329203718.A76361@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Reply-To: jon@welearn.com.au Mail-Followup-To: Troy Kittrell , Daniel O'Callaghan , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <38E1834D.C42B409C@basspro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <38E1834D.C42B409C@basspro.com>; from Troy Kittrell on Tue, Mar 28, 2000 at 10:15:09PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 28, 2000 at 10:15:09PM -0600, Troy Kittrell wrote: > I've searched high and low for technical reports myself, not only from the > perspective of reacting to an attack of this nature but attempting to prevent > the attack. Results be nada. www.securityfocus.com offers some interesting > downloads of software that scans a system for software that is probably one of http://www.auscert.org.au the australian cert mirror (of the usa cert site) is quite good with solutions, not just unix but fro microsoft systems as well. then thier is the telstra security resources page (this comes from within telstras own research and development laboratories (in conjunction with monash university and csiro divsion in melbourne) http://www.vtcif.telstra.com.au/info/security.html the author of this page is well versed in unix security issues and has much expereince in constructing and defending secure unix systems. warm regards, jonathan -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 11: 6:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA9E37B7A8 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:06:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA26812; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:06:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003291906.OAA26812@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:03:35 -0500 To: mike@sentex.net (Mike Tancsa), map@iphil.net ("Miguel A.L. Paraz") From: Dennis Subject: Re: Building 8-port Router Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <38b4b9a7.22295369@mail.sentex.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:19 AM 2/24/00 +0000, Mike Tancsa wrote: >On 23 Feb 2000 19:57:00 -0500, in sentex.lists.freebsd.isp you wrote: > >>Thanks for all your inputs on the previous RAM problem. I now went up to >>128 MB, with 64 MB free and 16 MB used by Zebra ospfd alone (bug?!) >> >>Anyway I'd appreciate your suggestions on building a router that could: >>* handle at least 8 E1 V.35 ports at line rate >>* perform ingress filtering on these >>* store at least one full view BGP routing table, and maybe partial views >>* do flow accounting (as suggested by one gentleman on the list) >> >>I would throw the fastest cost-effective CPU at this, and lots of RAM too, >>and send syslogs to another box to avoid writing to disk. Any other >>suggestions? >> >>The reason I'm looking into this is because we have a Cisco 7206 but with >>only a few 256Kbps and above lines, and Netflow switching, the CPU load is high >>and I think it won't scale. > >Although Zebra is probably the way of the future, you may want to look at >gateD for now. Its bgp and ospf has been quite reliable for us. Its >features are sparse, but it might have all that you need. With two full >views, you want more than 128M of RAM if you really are going to install >70K+ routes in the kernel routing table. 196 is fine, but with the cost of >RAM these days, you might as well throw in 256MB. With a decent Celeron >(433 is fine), you can get some pretty OK convergence times. On one of my >borders, I push about ~15Mb/s though 4 ethernet interfaces with a dozen >ipfw filter rules. Zebra works just fine as long as your network isnt too complex. GateD has other issues, and at least with Zebra you can get things fixed quickly. Gated has become a polical black hole. You dont need that much memory in your box...you just need to adjust the kernel in FreeBSD to use more. A full view is only about 20K, so you can get several views in 128M . the default is for the kernel to use only 1/3 of the memory, which is bad for a router. Our routers hack it to use 2/3, which leaves 80M for the kernel and routing tables. 2 quad port cards is the easiest way to build an 8 port router. Works quite nicely. Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 11:30:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from wat-border.sentex.ca (waterloo-hespler.sentex.ca [199.212.135.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBA537B63F for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 11:27:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by wat-border.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16160; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:27:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) Received: from simoeon (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA72822; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:27:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000329142458.0205c5a0@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:24:58 -0500 To: Dennis From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: Building 8-port Router Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200003291906.OAA26812@etinc.com> References: <38b4b9a7.22295369@mail.sentex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:03 PM 3/29/00 -0500, Dennis wrote: >At 05:19 AM 2/24/00 +0000, Mike Tancsa wrote: >>Although Zebra is probably the way of the future, you may want to look at >>gateD for now. Its bgp and ospf has been quite reliable for us. Its >>features are sparse, but it might have all that you need. With two full >>views, you want more than 128M of RAM if you really are going to install >>70K+ routes in the kernel routing table. 196 is fine, but with the cost of >>RAM these days, you might as well throw in 256MB. With a decent Celeron >>(433 is fine), you can get some pretty OK convergence times. On one of my >>borders, I push about ~15Mb/s though 4 ethernet interfaces with a dozen >>ipfw filter rules. > >Zebra works just fine as long as your network isnt too complex. GateD has >other issues, and at least with Zebra you can get things fixed quickly. >Gated has become a polical black hole. Mired in politics or not, gated to date has done the job for us. i.e. if you need OSPF and eBGP, and you want it to just plain work, it does the job. Apart from trying it internally for ospf we havent deployed Zebra yet. Although by the sounds of it, it might be ready for us to try. Whether it will fit everyone's needs I dont know. But dont discount gated because of actual or perceived politics around Merit. I also follow the gated public list, and the people there are pleasant and helpful, as it is on the zebra list. >You dont need that much memory in your box...you just need to adjust the >kernel in FreeBSD to use more. A full view is only about 20K, so you can >get several views in 128M . the default is for the kernel to use only 1/3 >of the memory, which is bad for a router. Our routers hack it to use 2/3, >which leaves 80M for the kernel and routing tables. Our gated proces can eat upto 40+M. With the price of RAM, the size of the global routing table, and for protection against your peers accidentally de-aggregating routes etc, the price for the extra RAM on a fairly important box can be easily justified. That being said, it is a good idea to adjust the amount of RAM allocated to the kernel, as well as perhaps adjusting things like kernel granularity. There are many good threads in the archives around this. ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administrator, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 12:21:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B4237B5C8 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:21:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA27108; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:22:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003292022.PAA27108@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:18:55 -0500 To: Mike Tancsa From: Dennis Subject: Re: Building 8-port Router Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000329142458.0205c5a0@marble.sentex.ca> References: <200003291906.OAA26812@etinc.com> <38b4b9a7.22295369@mail.sentex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:24 PM 3/29/00 -0500, you wrote: >At 02:03 PM 3/29/00 -0500, Dennis wrote: >>At 05:19 AM 2/24/00 +0000, Mike Tancsa wrote: >>>Although Zebra is probably the way of the future, you may want to look at >>>gateD for now. Its bgp and ospf has been quite reliable for us. Its >>>features are sparse, but it might have all that you need. With two full >>>views, you want more than 128M of RAM if you really are going to install >>>70K+ routes in the kernel routing table. 196 is fine, but with the cost of >>>RAM these days, you might as well throw in 256MB. With a decent Celeron >>>(433 is fine), you can get some pretty OK convergence times. On one of my >>>borders, I push about ~15Mb/s though 4 ethernet interfaces with a dozen >>>ipfw filter rules. >> >>Zebra works just fine as long as your network isnt too complex. GateD has >>other issues, and at least with Zebra you can get things fixed quickly. >>Gated has become a polical black hole. > >Mired in politics or not, gated to date has done the job for us. i.e. if >you need OSPF and eBGP, and you want it to just plain work, it does the >job. Apart from trying it internally for ospf we havent deployed Zebra >yet. Although by the sounds of it, it might be ready for us to try. >Whether it will fit everyone's needs I dont know. But dont discount gated >because of actual or perceived politics around Merit. I also follow the >gated public list, and the people there are pleasant and helpful, as it is >on the zebra list. Nothing fits everybodies needs....but its more than politics: 1) you cant get things fixed easily, so if you do get bitten by something you cant get quality help 2) you dont know what will be tomorrow, so you may end up stuck in the water eventually. 3) IF they give you a license to use 4.0,they can take it away at any time. 4) You cant resell it or distribute it without a very expensive license. Another point is that 1) Zebra is the future 2) Zebra works well and problems are fixed quickly 3) The learning curve on Gated is substantial so if zebra works for you its a big win down the road. > >>You dont need that much memory in your box...you just need to adjust the >>kernel in FreeBSD to use more. A full view is only about 20K, so you can >>get several views in 128M . the default is for the kernel to use only 1/3 >>of the memory, which is bad for a router. Our routers hack it to use 2/3, >>which leaves 80M for the kernel and routing tables. > >Our gated proces can eat upto 40+M. With the price of RAM, the size of the >global routing table, and for protection against your peers accidentally >de-aggregating routes etc, the price for the extra RAM on a fairly >important box can be easily justified. That being said, it is a good idea >to adjust the amount of RAM allocated to the kernel, as well as perhaps >adjusting things like kernel granularity. There are many good threads in >the archives around this. Whether you can justify the cost is not the point, the point is that you dont "need" it as you stated. 40M for 2 views is about right. Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 12:39:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from wat-border.sentex.ca (waterloo-hespler.sentex.ca [199.212.135.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA2A37BA0E for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:39:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by wat-border.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26678; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:39:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) Received: from simoeon (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA76859; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:39:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000329153647.01aa1690@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:36:47 -0500 To: Dennis From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: Building 8-port Router Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200003292022.PAA27108@etinc.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20000329142458.0205c5a0@marble.sentex.ca> <200003291906.OAA26812@etinc.com> <38b4b9a7.22295369@mail.sentex.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:18 PM 3/29/00 -0500, Dennis wrote: >Nothing fits everybodies needs....but its more than politics: > >1) you cant get things fixed easily, so if you do get bitten by something >you cant get quality help Its better if things do not need fixing in the first place. >2) you dont know what will be tomorrow, so you may end up stuck in the >water eventually. Zebra is not immune to this either. >3) IF they give you a license to use 4.0,they can take it away at any time. >4) You cant resell it or distribute it without a very expensive license. I was talking about the public branch from an end user perspective... 3.5.11. >Another point is that > >1) Zebra is the future _future_ is still the key word. Maybe thats just a matter of a couple of weeks... Hard to say. But it really does seem very promising. >2) Zebra works well and problems are fixed quickly >3) The learning curve on Gated is substantial so if zebra works for you its >a big win down the road. If you understand routing from first principles, than I beg to differ. Whether through IOS, gateD, mrtd or Zebra if you understand what you want to do, its not that difficult moving from environment to environment. Although if you know IOS, its certainly gives you a head start into Zebra. ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administrator, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 13: 6:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aspenworks.com (netdev.aspenworks.com [192.94.236.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC3737BDD2 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:06:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Received: from aspenworks.com (s00-c-lv3.sopris.net [208.44.83.71]) by aspenworks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA62713; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:06:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Message-ID: <38E2703E.9BB8173E@aspenworks.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:06:06 -0700 From: Alex Reply-To: alex@aspenworks.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Tancsa Cc: Dennis , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Building 8-port Router References: <3.0.5.32.20000329142458.0205c5a0@marble.sentex.ca> <200003291906.OAA26812@etinc.com> <38b4b9a7.22295369@mail.sentex.net> <3.0.5.32.20000329153647.01aa1690@marble.sentex.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay I'll bite, who makes a multiport Ethernet adapter that's supported by FreeBSD? -Alex Mike Tancsa wrote: > > At 03:18 PM 3/29/00 -0500, Dennis wrote: > >Nothing fits everybodies needs....but its more than politics: > > > >1) you cant get things fixed easily, so if you do get bitten by something > >you cant get quality help > > Its better if things do not need fixing in the first place. > > >2) you dont know what will be tomorrow, so you may end up stuck in the > >water eventually. > > Zebra is not immune to this either. > > >3) IF they give you a license to use 4.0,they can take it away at any time. > >4) You cant resell it or distribute it without a very expensive license. > > I was talking about the public branch from an end user perspective... > 3.5.11. > > >Another point is that > > > >1) Zebra is the future > > _future_ is still the key word. Maybe thats just a matter of a couple of > weeks... Hard to say. But it really does seem very promising. > > >2) Zebra works well and problems are fixed quickly > >3) The learning curve on Gated is substantial so if zebra works for you its > >a big win down the road. > > If you understand routing from first principles, than I beg to differ. > Whether through IOS, gateD, mrtd or Zebra if you understand what you want > to do, its not that difficult moving from environment to environment. > Although if you know IOS, its certainly gives you a head start into Zebra. > > ---Mike > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 > Network Administrator, mike@sentex.net > Sentex Communications www.sentex.net > Cambridge, Ontario Canada > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 13:15:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from wat-border.sentex.ca (waterloo-hespler.sentex.ca [199.212.135.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079BA37BFE1 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:14:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by wat-border.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32242; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:14:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) Received: from simoeon (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA79738; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:14:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.ca) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000329161202.01afc6c0@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:12:02 -0500 To: alex@aspenworks.com From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: Building 8-port Router Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <38E2703E.9BB8173E@aspenworks.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20000329142458.0205c5a0@marble.sentex.ca> <200003291906.OAA26812@etinc.com> <38b4b9a7.22295369@mail.sentex.net> <3.0.5.32.20000329153647.01aa1690@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:06 PM 3/29/00 -0700, Alex wrote: > >Okay I'll bite, who makes a multiport Ethernet adapter that's supported >by FreeBSD? I havent used any myself, but some have used the http://www.dlink.com/products/adapters/dfe570tx/ via the dc driver. Check the archives for people's experience with it. It uses the dc driver under 4.x ---Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administrator, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 13:26: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aspenworks.com (netdev.aspenworks.com [192.94.236.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB51237B6EF for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:26:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Received: from aspenworks.com (s00-c-lv3.sopris.net [208.44.83.71]) by aspenworks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA62836; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:26:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Message-ID: <38E274DE.C3023082@aspenworks.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:25:50 -0700 From: Alex Reply-To: alex@aspenworks.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Tancsa Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Building 8-port Router References: <3.0.5.32.20000329142458.0205c5a0@marble.sentex.ca> <200003291906.OAA26812@etinc.com> <38b4b9a7.22295369@mail.sentex.net> <3.0.5.32.20000329153647.01aa1690@marble.sentex.ca> <3.0.5.32.20000329161202.01afc6c0@marble.sentex.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike, Thank you. If someone has experience with this adapter, please write. I've read the specs, and unless I'm missing something it appears to be a specialized adapter for fault tolerance and load balancing.. The specs say it appears as one port to the OS. They must mean to NT? If FreeBSD's driver sees 4 NICs, then this would be a good fit. Else, the other 4 port NIC is the Adapatec - spendy and no drivers in FreeBSD, that I've found. I'll dig a bit in the archives. Cheers, -Alex Mike Tancsa wrote: > > At 02:06 PM 3/29/00 -0700, Alex wrote: > > > >Okay I'll bite, who makes a multiport Ethernet adapter that's supported > >by FreeBSD? > > I havent used any myself, but some have used the > > http://www.dlink.com/products/adapters/dfe570tx/ > > via the dc driver. Check the archives for people's experience with it. It > uses the dc driver under 4.x > > ---Mike > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 > Network Administrator, mike@sentex.net > Sentex Communications www.sentex.net > Cambridge, Ontario Canada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 13:38:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153DF37B745 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:38:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7583D1C65; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:38:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:38:53 -0500 From: Bill Fumerola To: Mike Tancsa Cc: alex@aspenworks.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Building 8-port Router Message-ID: <20000329163853.R23367@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <3.0.5.32.20000329142458.0205c5a0@marble.sentex.ca> <200003291906.OAA26812@etinc.com> <38b4b9a7.22295369@mail.sentex.net> <3.0.5.32.20000329153647.01aa1690@marble.sentex.ca> <38E2703E.9BB8173E@aspenworks.com> <3.0.5.32.20000329161202.01afc6c0@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000329161202.01afc6c0@marble.sentex.ca>; from mike@sentex.ca on Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 04:12:02PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 04:12:02PM -0500, Mike Tancsa wrote: > >Okay I'll bite, who makes a multiport Ethernet adapter that's supported > >by FreeBSD? > > I havent used any myself, but some have used the > > http://www.dlink.com/products/adapters/dfe570tx/ > > via the dc driver. Check the archives for people's experience with it. It > uses the dc driver under 4.x [hawk-billf] /home/billf > grep -e '^fxp' /var/run/dmesg.boot fxp0: port 0xece0-0xecff mem 0xfdf00000-0xfdffffff,0xf5fff000-0xf5ffffff irq 11 at device 4.0 on pci2 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:90:27:2a:65:3e fxp1: port 0xecc0-0xecdf mem 0xfde00000-0xfdefffff,0xf5ffe000-0xf5ffefff irq 10 at device 5.0 on pci2 fxp1: Ethernet address 00:90:27:2a:65:3f That's an "Intel PRO/100+ Dual Port Server Adapter" -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect Computer Horizons Corp - CVM e-mail: billf@chc-chimes.com / billf@FreeBSD.org Office: 800-252-2421 x128 / Cell: 248-761-7272 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 13:39:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hindenburg.eboai.org (hindenburg.eboai.org [205.181.254.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C40637C166 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:39:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chip@eboai.org) Received: by hindenburg.eboai.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DCDD53D54; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:39:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:39:27 -0500 From: Chip Marshall To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Building 8-port Router Message-ID: <20000329163927.A81458@hindenburg.eboai.org> Reply-To: chip@eboai.org References: <3.0.5.32.20000329142458.0205c5a0@marble.sentex.ca> <200003291906.OAA26812@etinc.com> <38b4b9a7.22295369@mail.sentex.net> <3.0.5.32.20000329153647.01aa1690@marble.sentex.ca> <3.0.5.32.20000329161202.01afc6c0@marble.sentex.ca> <38E274DE.C3023082@aspenworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.4i In-Reply-To: <38E274DE.C3023082@aspenworks.com>; from alex@aspenworks.com on Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 02:25:50PM -0700 X-Real-OS: FreeBSD hindenburg.eboai.org 3.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 02:25:50PM -0700, Alex wrote: > If someone has experience with this adapter, please write. I've read > the specs, > and unless I'm missing something it appears to be a specialized adapter > for fault tolerance > and load balancing.. The specs say it appears as one port to the OS. > They must mean to NT? > > If FreeBSD's driver sees 4 NICs, then this would be a good fit. Else, > the other 4 port > NIC is the Adapatec - spendy and no drivers in FreeBSD, that I've found. I've got to routers running with one DFE-570TX each, and so far FreeBSD has had no problem with them (under 3.4 at least, havn't tried 4.0 out on them yet.) Each card simply shows up as 4 de devices. All the special features that are displayed on the Dlink website are just things they put into the NT drivers for the card, nothing special with the card as far as I can tell. -- Chip Marshall http://www.chocobo.cx/chip/ PGP keys on website or by finger GCM/CS d+(-) s+:++ a--- C++(+++) UB++++ P+++>$ L- E--- W++ N+(++) o K? w O M+ V- PS PE Y? PGP++ t+@ 5 X(+) R>+ t+() b+>++ DI++++ D(-) G e>++ h!>++ r--- y To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 13:58:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D1637BE6E for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:58:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16514; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:58:06 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:58:06 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Alex Cc: Mike Tancsa , Dennis , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Building 8-port Router In-Reply-To: <38E2703E.9BB8173E@aspenworks.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Alex wrote: > > Okay I'll bite, who makes a multiport Ethernet adapter that's supported > by FreeBSD? The Intel 8255x based 2-port NICs work just fine. I'm not sure if anyone has made any 4-port cards based on the Intel chipset, though. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and Alpha architectures. ( http://www.freebsd.org ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 14: 2: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DA9437B63C for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:02:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 52408 invoked by uid 1001); 29 Mar 2000 22:01:53 +0000 (GMT) To: alex@aspenworks.com Cc: mike@sentex.ca, dennis@etinc.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Building 8-port Router From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:06:06 -0700" References: <38E2703E.9BB8173E@aspenworks.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:01:53 +0200 Message-ID: <52406.954367313@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Okay I'll bite, who makes a multiport Ethernet adapter that's supported > by FreeBSD? Znyx, Adaptec, Matrox, D-Link, Phobos. Probably others as well. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 14: 4:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9668D37B57E for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:04:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 52444 invoked by uid 1001); 29 Mar 2000 22:04:37 +0000 (GMT) To: cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us Cc: alex@aspenworks.com, mike@sentex.ca, dennis@etinc.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Building 8-port Router From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:58:06 -0600 (CST)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:04:37 +0200 Message-ID: <52442.954367477@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Okay I'll bite, who makes a multiport Ethernet adapter that's supported > > by FreeBSD? > > The Intel 8255x based 2-port NICs work just fine. I'm not sure if > anyone has made any 4-port cards based on the Intel chipset, though. Matrox. http://www.matrox.com/netweb/oems/nsfnic4.htm. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 14:42:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from d016.gold.gellivare.se (comnix.com [195.196.65.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5833237B5B7 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 14:42:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@veidit.net) Received: (qmail 17233 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2000 22:42:22 -0000 Received: from d212-151-166-70.swipnet.se (HELO veidit.net) (212.151.166.70) by comnix.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2000 22:42:22 -0000 Message-ID: <38E28605.1C0EC1B1@veidit.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:39:01 +0200 From: John Angelmo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: sv, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: PPP and PPPoE spoofing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everyone I wonder if anyone here had any problems with ppp/pppoe spoofing and how you did prevent it I'm new to both ppp and spoofing. /John Angelmo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 16:28:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aspenworks.com (netdev.aspenworks.com [192.94.236.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64A137B8C4 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:28:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Received: from aspenworks.com (s00-c-lv3.sopris.net [208.44.83.71]) by aspenworks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA63962; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:27:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Message-ID: <38E29F62.88009FD3@aspenworks.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:27:14 -0700 From: Alex Reply-To: alex@aspenworks.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chip@eboai.org Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Building 8-port Router References: <3.0.5.32.20000329142458.0205c5a0@marble.sentex.ca> <200003291906.OAA26812@etinc.com> <38b4b9a7.22295369@mail.sentex.net> <3.0.5.32.20000329153647.01aa1690@marble.sentex.ca> <3.0.5.32.20000329161202.01afc6c0@marble.sentex.ca> <38E274DE.C3023082@aspenworks.com> <20000329163927.A81458@hindenburg.eboai.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks everyone for the helpful response.. I've plenty of leads.. What a great list! Cheers, -Alex Chip Marshall wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 02:25:50PM -0700, Alex wrote: > > If someone has experience with this adapter, please write. I've read > > the specs, > > and unless I'm missing something it appears to be a specialized adapter > > for fault tolerance > > and load balancing.. The specs say it appears as one port to the OS. > > They must mean to NT? > > > > If FreeBSD's driver sees 4 NICs, then this would be a good fit. Else, > > the other 4 port > > NIC is the Adapatec - spendy and no drivers in FreeBSD, that I've found. > > I've got to routers running with one DFE-570TX each, and so far > FreeBSD has had no problem with them (under 3.4 at least, havn't tried > 4.0 out on them yet.) Each card simply shows up as 4 de devices. > > All the special features that are displayed on the Dlink website are > just things they put into the NT drivers for the card, nothing special > with the card as far as I can tell. > > -- > Chip Marshall > http://www.chocobo.cx/chip/ PGP keys on website or by finger > GCM/CS d+(-) s+:++ a--- C++(+++) UB++++ P+++>$ L- E--- W++ N+(++) > o K? w O M+ V- PS PE Y? PGP++ t+@ 5 X(+) R>+ t+() b+>++ DI++++ > D(-) G e>++ h!>++ r--- y > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 17:24: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.bna.bellsouth.net (mail1.bna.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448B937B5DA for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:24:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@siteplus.net) Received: from discover.siteplus.net (host-216-78-82-119.cha.bellsouth.net [216.78.82.119]) by mail1.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id UAA17949 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:23:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:24:19 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Weeks To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Best reference Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey Guys, I would like opinions on the best reference material on Unix administration from an ISP standpoint. If you have read something that you think is particularly well written I would like to hear about it. One note. I feel compelled to assign some flowers here. I enjoy this mailing list more than any other. Some, especially of late become pretty ugly. It seems that subscribers to this list are especially polite and most helpful. Thanks! A lot, Jim Weeks jim@siteplus.com http://siteplus.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 17:31:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B1537B6C8 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:31:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from batie@agora.rdrop.com) Received: (from batie@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA02398; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:31:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from batie) Message-ID: <20000329173140.32059@rdrop.com> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:31:40 -0800 From: Alan Batie To: Jim Weeks Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Best reference References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=9ZiVrAOUUm9fzHtE X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from Jim Weeks on Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 08:24:19PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --9ZiVrAOUUm9fzHtE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 08:24:19PM -0500, Jim Weeks wrote: > I would like opinions on the best reference material on Unix > administration from an ISP standpoint. I don't know about from an ISP standpoint, but when I last looked, by far the best one was Unix System Administration by Evi Nemeth http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0130206016/o/qid=954379666/sr=8-2/ref=aps_sr_b_1_2/102-8682400-1052853 I've had the priviledge of taking USENIX tutorials from her as well, and she really knows her stuff. -- Alan Batie ______ www.rdrop.com/users/batie Me batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ www.anti-spam.net NO SPAM! --9ZiVrAOUUm9fzHtE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBOOKufIv4wNua7QglAQHhYgP/ae3C9jtaVzX8+BBRTH6cBgHbIqlzLKi5 LSox6tj9aDePSK5M7UlPsZdvD4pr76/P5qzTsml9Ma/yAIf3vkB6PZdShHU/TGni NNFE20d+Dfwv60dT2C1G3JWAgbP+fGpTTjjN3ZF7pdl5RFwSjsMcqGfp7f0Vrijv M5wahcqoJv0= =Lgi9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9ZiVrAOUUm9fzHtE-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 17:49:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au [202.14.186.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6D437BA09 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:49:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anwsmh@IPAustralia.Gov.AU) Received: (from smap@localhost) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA19231 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:49:18 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from anwsmh@IPAustralia.Gov.AU) Received: from disc-4-161.aipo.gov.au(10.0.4.161) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au via smap (V2.0) id xma019216; Thu, 30 Mar 00 11:48:59 +1000 Received: from localhost (anwsmh@localhost) by stan (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01560 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:50:56 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from anwsmh@IPAustralia.Gov.AU) X-Authentication-Warning: stan: anwsmh owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:50:56 +1000 (EST) From: Stanley Hopcroft X-Sender: anwsmh@stan To: isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: How does one get more network throughput with FreeBSD ? (8 port router) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, I am writing to ask how one increases the network throughput of a FreeBSD server, or perhaps the question is how does one take advantage of multiple interfaces ? Since I think the BSD kernels don't stripe packets (destined for the same location) over all available interfaces, it seems to me that the options are 1 Layer 2 aggregation. The interface driver round robins all packets for the destination among the available interfaces. 2 Running a prototocol like OSPF on the server that is able to use all available interfaces that lead to the destination. Thank you, Yours sincerely. Stanley Hopcroft IP Australia +61 2 6283 3189 +61 2 6281 1353 FAX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 18:54:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hindenburg.eboai.org (hindenburg.eboai.org [205.181.254.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F8A37B81C for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:54:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chip@eboai.org) Received: by hindenburg.eboai.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9FA793D1F; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:54:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:54:05 -0500 From: Chip Marshall To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: T1 Interface cards Message-ID: <20000329215405.A85271@hindenburg.eboai.org> Reply-To: chip@eboai.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.4i X-Real-OS: FreeBSD hindenburg.eboai.org 3.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I'm looking into buying some high-speed serial cards to interface with a T1 that will work with FreeBSD 4.0. Does anyone on the list have some recommendations for such cards? One of the main features I hope to find in the card is ease of configuration, which I have found in the past to be a problem with some of the other products I have used. I have managed to get such things working in the past, but never without much swearing and several attempts to damn the creater of such an infernal device. Oh, and something that supports PPP over a T1 would be a plus. Thanks in advance. -- Chip Marshall http://www.chocobo.cx/chip/ PGP keys on website or by finger GCM/CS d+(-) s+:++ a--- C++(+++) UB++++ P+++>$ L- E--- W++ N+(++) o K? w O M+ V- PS PE Y? PGP++ t+@ 5 X(+) R>+ t+() b+>++ DI++++ D(-) G e>++ h!>++ r--- y To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 20:51:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net (bsdie.rwsystems.net [209.197.223.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A1B37BACD for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:51:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwyatt@rwsystems.net) Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net([209.197.223.2]) (1734 bytes) by bsdie.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:43:32 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #1 built 1999-Aug-7) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:43:31 -0600 (CST) From: James Wyatt To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Mike Tancsa , alex@aspenworks.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Building 8-port Router In-Reply-To: <20000329163853.R23367@jade.chc-chimes.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 04:12:02PM -0500, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > >Okay I'll bite, who makes a multiport Ethernet adapter that's supported > > >by FreeBSD? > > > > I havent used any myself, but some have used the > > > > http://www.dlink.com/products/adapters/dfe570tx/ > > > > via the dc driver. Check the archives for people's experience with it. It > > uses the dc driver under 4.x > > [hawk-billf] /home/billf > grep -e '^fxp' /var/run/dmesg.boot > fxp0: port 0xece0-0xecff mem 0xfdf00000-0xfdffffff,0xf5fff000-0xf5ffffff irq 11 at device 4.0 on pci2 > fxp0: Ethernet address 00:90:27:2a:65:3e > fxp1: port 0xecc0-0xecdf mem 0xfde00000-0xfdefffff,0xf5ffe000-0xf5ffefff irq 10 at device 5.0 on pci2 > fxp1: Ethernet address 00:90:27:2a:65:3f > > That's an "Intel PRO/100+ Dual Port Server Adapter" Ack! Don't any of them allow you to share IRQs on the PCI bus? I can imagine doing 8 ports using 8 IRQs would be, uh, limiting... - Jy@ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 21: 7:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA08C37B6F6 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:07:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 685691C65; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:07:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:07:24 -0500 From: Bill Fumerola To: James Wyatt Cc: Mike Tancsa , alex@aspenworks.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Building 8-port Router Message-ID: <20000330000724.Z23367@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <20000329163853.R23367@jade.chc-chimes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from jwyatt@rwsystems.net on Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 10:43:31PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 10:43:31PM -0600, James Wyatt wrote: > > [hawk-billf] /home/billf > grep -e '^fxp' /var/run/dmesg.boot > > fxp0: port 0xece0-0xecff mem 0xfdf00000-0xfdffffff,0xf5fff000-0xf5ffffff irq 11 at device 4.0 on pci2 > > fxp0: Ethernet address 00:90:27:2a:65:3e > > fxp1: port 0xecc0-0xecdf mem 0xfde00000-0xfdefffff,0xf5ffe000-0xf5ffefff irq 10 at device 5.0 on pci2 > > fxp1: Ethernet address 00:90:27:2a:65:3f > Ack! Don't any of them allow you to share IRQs on the PCI bus? I can > imagine doing 8 ports using 8 IRQs would be, uh, limiting... - Jy@ pcm0/xl0/fxp1 are on irq 10 fxp0/82801AA SMBus Controller are on irq 11 -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect Computer Horizons Corp - CVM e-mail: billf@chc-chimes.com / billf@FreeBSD.org Office: 800-252-2421 x128 / Cell: 248-761-7272 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 29 23:30: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from super-g.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C68937BB8D; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:30:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: by super-g.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 07A2BB418; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DA479B416; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:29:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:29:58 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Angelo Turetta Cc: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Routing question (not strictly FBSD) In-Reply-To: <210F5CDE0707D211B4BD00062905C842114E76@styloserver.stylo.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't know if it works anymore, but poke around Paul Vixie's site, I believe the directory is like so: ftp://ftp.vix.com/pub/vixie/ifdefault/ This supposedly does what you want wrt multiple exits... Charles On Fri, 24 Mar 2000, Angelo Turetta wrote: > Sorry if this may be considered off-topic. > > We are going to change our internet connection provider, so during the > migration we'll have two class C networks, and two leased lines. Of course > we'll be renumbering our servers as soon as possible, but that cannot be > done in a single step. > > My router is a FreeBSD machine with a dual port ET-PCISync adapter, and from > the hardware point of view I have no problems. > > Maybe someone can answer this question about routing software: is there any > way to determine which interface to route outgoing IP packets via, based on > source address of the packet itself? > > Let me try to explain better with an example. Our servers have addresses in > the range 1.1.1.x, but will be renumbered to 2.2.2.x. Assuming the use of a > single router with two point-to-point interfaces called A and B, is there > any method by which I can send all packets originating from, lets say, > 1.1.1.16 via interface A, and all packets originating from 2.2.2.32 via > interface B? > > Copy replies to my direct address, I don't receive this list. > > Thanks for any help. > > Angelo Turetta. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 30 2:13:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from enya.clari.net.au (enya.clari.net.au [203.8.14.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CD637C041; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:05:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (danny@localhost) by enya.clari.net.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA28602; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:49:38 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from danny@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: enya.clari.net.au: danny owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:49:37 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" X-Sender: danny@enya.clari.net.au To: spork Cc: Angelo Turetta , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Routing question (not strictly FBSD) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, spork wrote: > > migration we'll have two class C networks, and two leased lines. Of course > > we'll be renumbering our servers as soon as possible, but that cannot be > > done in a single step. > > > > My router is a FreeBSD machine with a dual port ET-PCISync adapter, and from > > the hardware point of view I have no problems. > > > > Maybe someone can answer this question about routing software: is there any > > way to determine which interface to route outgoing IP packets via, based on > > source address of the packet itself? IPFILTER has a fast-route option which can match on srcaddr of the packet. I've never used it, though. Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 30 3:42:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from enya.clari.net.au (enya.clari.net.au [203.8.14.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC21F37B872; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 03:34:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (danny@localhost) by enya.clari.net.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA28602; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:49:38 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from danny@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: enya.clari.net.au: danny owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:49:37 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" X-Sender: danny@enya.clari.net.au To: spork Cc: Angelo Turetta , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Routing question (not strictly FBSD) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, spork wrote: > > migration we'll have two class C networks, and two leased lines. Of course > > we'll be renumbering our servers as soon as possible, but that cannot be > > done in a single step. > > > > My router is a FreeBSD machine with a dual port ET-PCISync adapter, and from > > the hardware point of view I have no problems. > > > > Maybe someone can answer this question about routing software: is there any > > way to determine which interface to route outgoing IP packets via, based on > > source address of the packet itself? IPFILTER has a fast-route option which can match on srcaddr of the packet. I've never used it, though. Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 30 7: 3:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B292837B7AE for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:03:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24315; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:03:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:03:24 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: James Wyatt Cc: Bill Fumerola , Mike Tancsa , alex@aspenworks.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Building 8-port Router In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, James Wyatt wrote: > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 04:12:02PM -0500, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > >Okay I'll bite, who makes a multiport Ethernet adapter that's supported > > > >by FreeBSD? > > > > > > I havent used any myself, but some have used the > > > > > > http://www.dlink.com/products/adapters/dfe570tx/ > > > > > > via the dc driver. Check the archives for people's experience with it. It > > > uses the dc driver under 4.x > > > > [hawk-billf] /home/billf > grep -e '^fxp' /var/run/dmesg.boot > > fxp0: port 0xece0-0xecff mem 0xfdf00000-0xfdffffff,0xf5fff000-0xf5ffffff irq 11 at device 4.0 on pci2 > > fxp0: Ethernet address 00:90:27:2a:65:3e > > fxp1: port 0xecc0-0xecdf mem 0xfde00000-0xfdefffff,0xf5ffe000-0xf5ffefff irq 10 at device 5.0 on pci2 > > fxp1: Ethernet address 00:90:27:2a:65:3f > > > > That's an "Intel PRO/100+ Dual Port Server Adapter" > > Ack! Don't any of them allow you to share IRQs on the PCI bus? I can > imagine doing 8 ports using 8 IRQs would be, uh, limiting... - Jy@ I'm not sure why Bill's dual-port card is showing up with two interrupts, but mine doesn't. It was my (limited) understanding that isn't even possible on a single PCI slot. :-) This happens to be the Compaq branded version of the Intel Dual-port card on FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE: Probing for devices on PCI bus 2: fxp6: rev 0x05 int a irq 5 on pci2.4.0 fxp6: Ethernet address 00:08:c7:07:b2:95 fxp7: rev 0x05 int a irq 5 on pci2.5.0 fxp7: Ethernet address 00:08:c7:07:b2:96 -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and Alpha architectures. ( http://www.freebsd.org ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 30 7:42:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1272137B52D for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:42:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ryugen@palaver.org) Received: from primo.bfm.org ([216.127.218.20]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:43:40 -0600 Received: from portapad.palaver.org (unverified [24.217.4.211]) by primo.bfm.org (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:42:34 -0600 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000330093501.00a8d5b0@mail.palaver.org> X-Sender: rfisher@mail.palaver.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:41:53 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Ryugen@palaver.org (Ryugen C. Fisher) Subject: Virtual Hosts and Mail Users Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there a method to set virtual domains for virtual hosts in the sendmail or other program.. so that the mail stream (in and out) appears to come from a server of the same domain as the one(s) being virtually hosted. Is there a way to create, handle, manage MAIL users without making them system users on the FreeBSD server.... for example one company (thus one account) needs 10 mailboxes, each to and from a different name .. I would like to be able to do this without making 10 UNIX users... since all that is required is mail access .. they will be using POP3 or IMAP4 MUAs to get and send their messages Any and all suggestions, other than those illegal or requiring that I use a M$ product will be appreciated.. Ryugen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 30 8:35:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004E737BBDB for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:35:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA00392; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:36:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003301636.LAA00392@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:32:50 -0500 To: chip@eboai.org From: Dennis Subject: Re: T1 Interface cards Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20000329215405.A85271@hindenburg.eboai.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:54 PM 3/29/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, >I'm looking into buying some high-speed serial cards to interface with >a T1 that will work with FreeBSD 4.0. Does anyone on the list have >some recommendations for such cards? >One of the main features I hope to find in the card is ease of >configuration, which I have found in the past to be a problem with >some of the other products I have used. I have managed to get such >things working in the past, but never without much swearing and several >attempts to damn the creater of such an infernal device. >Oh, and something that supports PPP over a T1 would be a plus. >Thanks in advance. file eth0.cfg: device="eth0" protocol="ppp" # hdlccfg serial0.cfg # ifconfig eth0 207.11.1.1 207.11.1.2 easy enough? www.etinc.com Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 30 11:43: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cpq.nyi.net (cpq.nyi.net [204.248.157.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E35737BDF2 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:42:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from javier@nyi.net) Received: from nyi.net (root@cpq.nyi.net [204.248.157.72]) by cpq.nyi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27623; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:41:04 GMT (envelope-from javier@nyi.net) Message-ID: <38E36780.6A03C66F@nyi.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:41:04 +0000 From: Javier Frias Organization: NYI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ryugen C. Fisher" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Virtual Hosts and Mail Users References: <4.3.1.2.20000330093501.00a8d5b0@mail.palaver.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org take a look at vpopmail http://www.inter7.com/vpopmail "Ryugen C. Fisher" wrote: > > Is there a method to set virtual domains for virtual hosts in the sendmail > or other program.. so that the mail stream (in and out) appears to come > from a server of the same domain as the one(s) being virtually hosted. > > Is there a way to create, handle, manage MAIL users without making them > system users on the FreeBSD server.... for example one company (thus one > account) needs 10 mailboxes, each to and from a different name .. I would > like to be able to do this without making 10 UNIX users... since all that > is required is mail access .. they will be using POP3 or IMAP4 MUAs to > get and send their messages > > Any and all suggestions, other than those illegal or requiring that I use a > M$ product will be appreciated.. > > Ryugen > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- MMM \|/ www __^__ (o o) @ @ (O-O) /(o o)\ -ooO-(_)-Ooo---oOO-(_)-OOo---oOO--(_)--OOo---oOO==(_)==OOo Javier A. Frias Sr. System Administrator The New York Internet Company 20 Exchange Place 21st Floor New York, N.Y. 10005 "Error #152 - Windows not found: (C)heer (P)arty (D)ance" --------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 30 15:41:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from riga.nu (riga.nu.138.62.195.in-addr.arpa [195.62.138.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F63A37B8CA for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:41:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from viktors@riga.nu) Received: (qmail 36600 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2000 23:41:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO riga.nu) (159.148.169.200) by riga.nu with SMTP; 30 Mar 2000 23:41:40 -0000 Message-ID: <38E3E633.23DE14C9@riga.nu> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 01:41:39 +0200 From: Viktors Rotanovs Organization: DATIONS Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-20000208-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Free Application Servers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! Maybe not exactly FreeBSD or ISP question, but anyway... What do people use for building portal and shop hybrid? Minivend, Zope, Enhydra, or something else? Just for reference: http://www.minivend.com/ http://www.enhydra.org/ http://www.zope.org/ Best Wishes, Viktors Rotanovs DATIONS Ltd., phone: +371 9173000, fax: +371 7377472 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 30 16: 4:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from almazs.pacex.net (almazs.pacex.net [204.1.219.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D57037B91F for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:04:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danielb@pacex.net) Received: from almazs.pacex.net (almazs.pacex.net [209.189.111.246]) by almazs.pacex.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13690 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:50:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:50:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Dan B. " To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: I need a routing help Please! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Folks; We recently renumbered our network and all seemed to go fine except our small (not even enough to pay for a local loop!) pool of dialup customers can not access the Internet when connected to our network, customers authenticate to the RADIUS server OK, and not all customers are experiencing this problem. All connectivity from local FreeBSD machines to/From the Internet works fine. The phone are starting to RING and I am realy in need of expert help to look at our routing setup. This is my first time renumbering a network and would realy appreciate a helping hand. Drop me a line and I will give you a secure access to look at the network Thanks Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 30 16: 4:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from almazs.pacex.net (almazs.pacex.net [204.1.219.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFC337B55F for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:04:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danielb@pacex.net) Received: from almazs.pacex.net (almazs.pacex.net [209.189.111.246]) by almazs.pacex.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14247 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:10:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:10:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Dan B. " To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: I need a routing help Please! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Folks; We recently renumbered our network and all services seemed to work fine except our small (not even enough to pay for a local loop!) pool of dialup customers can not access the Internet when connected to our network, customers authenticate to the RADIUS server OK, but if a customer is assigned an IP address from the block of new IP pools we just started using they can not access the Internet (browsing and email services fail) if they are assigned IPs from the old IP pool they're OK. All connectivity from local FreeBSD machines to/From the Internet works fine. The phone are starting to RING and I am realy in need of expert help to look at our routing setup. This is my first time renumbering a network and would realy appreciate a helping hand. Drop me a line and I will give you a secure access to look at the network Thanks Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 30 16:17:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from iohost.com (io001.iohost.com [209.189.124.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE8E37BFBA for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:17:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntserver (w146.z206111055.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [206.111.55.146]) by iohost.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03880; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:16:31 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000330161548.00ac9300@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:15:48 -0800 To: "Dan B. " , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: I need a routing help Please! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dan, Your email bounced and your phone I assume for pacex.net is busy, how do we get in touch? At 11:50 AM 3/30/00 -0800, Dan B. wrote: >Hi Folks; > >We recently renumbered our network and all seemed to go fine except >our small (not even enough to pay for a local loop!) pool of dialup >customers can not access the Internet when connected to our network, >customers authenticate to the RADIUS server OK, and not all customers are >experiencing this problem. All connectivity from local FreeBSD machines >to/From the Internet works fine. >The phone are starting to RING and I am realy in need of expert help to >look at our routing setup. This is my first time renumbering a network >and would realy appreciate a helping hand. >Drop me a line and I will give you a secure access to look at the network > >Thanks > >Dan > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 30 16:24:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bsd.amplex.net (bsd.amplex.net [209.57.124.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04FFF37B6E4 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:24:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@amplex.net) Received: from mark (amplex.net [209.57.124.21] (may be forged)) by bsd.amplex.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09270 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:22:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: Subject: I need a routing help Please! Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:22:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What are the IP addresses in question? It will probably be visible from outside. http://nitrous.digex.net is a terrific tool for finding routing gone astray. You have mail problems as well... Mark Radabaugh - Amplex (419) 833-3635 mark@amplex.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Dan B. Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 2:50 PM To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: I need a routing help Please! Hi Folks; We recently renumbered our network and all seemed to go fine except our small (not even enough to pay for a local loop!) pool of dialup customers can not access the Internet when connected to our network, customers authenticate to the RADIUS server OK, and not all customers are experiencing this problem. All connectivity from local FreeBSD machines to/From the Internet works fine. The phone are starting to RING and I am realy in need of expert help to look at our routing setup. This is my first time renumbering a network and would realy appreciate a helping hand. Drop me a line and I will give you a secure access to look at the network Thanks Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 30 16:26: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from thehousleys.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.224.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CFF337B7E0 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:25:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Received: from thehousleys.net (baby.int.thehousleys.net [192.168.0.24]) by thehousleys.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA98938; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:25:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38E3F08A.8F296697@thehousleys.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 19:25:46 -0500 From: James Housley Organization: The Housleys dot Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Randy A. Katz" Cc: "Dan B." , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need a routing help Please! References: <3.0.5.32.20000330161548.00ac9300@ccsales.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Randy A. Katz" wrote: A first guess would be that they have hardcoded the old router number in dialup networking. The second is that you dhcpserver for the dialup has the wrong defuault router. Jim -- Studies show that 1 out of every 4 Americans suffer some form of mental illness. So look at your three best friends, if they are okay it is YOU! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 30 16:32:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from twitch.spanner.net (twitch.spanner.net [203.9.148.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454E237B536 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:32:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from saboteur@spanner.net) Received: by twitch.spanner.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id E8A6214CC; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:30:02 +1000 (EST) From: saboteur@spanner.net To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Mail users with multiple domains. X-Mailer: NeoMail 0.60 X-IPAddress: 203.147.252.45 Message-Id: <20000331003002.E8A6214CC@twitch.spanner.net> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:30:02 +1000 (EST) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know how I can have the same account name. eg. info@a.com, info@b.com, as seperate accounts for email? The current configuration allows only one 'info' account, which is a sendmail alias to a user account, so mail from both a.com and b.com go to the same place. Thanks, Tim. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 30 17:19:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bsd.amplex.net (bsd.amplex.net [209.57.124.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F0737B77C for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:19:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@amplex.net) Received: from mark (amplex.net [209.57.124.21] (may be forged)) by bsd.amplex.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10373 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:19:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: Subject: RE: Mail users with multiple domains. Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:19:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000331003002.E8A6214CC@twitch.spanner.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org look at virtusertable or "Virtual Users" - it does what you want. http://www.sendmail.org/virtual-hosting.html Mark Radabaugh - Amplex (419) 833-3635 mark@amplex.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of saboteur@spanner.net Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 7:30 PM To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Mail users with multiple domains. Does anyone know how I can have the same account name. eg. info@a.com, info@b.com, as seperate accounts for email? The current configuration allows only one 'info' account, which is a sendmail alias to a user account, so mail from both a.com and b.com go to the same place. Thanks, Tim. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 31 0:27:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.volant.org (phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C2D37B6C3 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:27:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patl@phoenix.volant.org) Received: from asimov.phoenix.volant.org ([205.179.79.65]) by phoenix.volant.org with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #8) for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org id 12awmW-0005Jj-00; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:27:52 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asimov.phoenix.volant.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA14248 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:27:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 00:27:47 -0800 (PST) From: patl@phoenix.volant.org Reply-To: patl@phoenix.volant.org Subject: Outlook causing sendmail hangs To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a customer who is reporting that occasionally when sending a message using Outlook, the sendmail process will apparently hang; and then Outlook will make another connection, and hang that sendmail, ad infinitum. (Leaving a cluster of hung sendmail processes.) Have any of you heard of anything like that? Any ideas what to look for to fix it? (They are running a fairly recent version of sendmail on SPARC/Solaris. I don't know what version of Outlook or Windows.) Thanks, -Pat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 31 7:42:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFE937B515 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:41:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (hak.nat.Awfulhak.org [172.31.0.12]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14034; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:41:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03707; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:41:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200003311541.QAA03707@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: John Angelmo Cc: FreeBSD ISP , brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: PPP and PPPoE spoofing In-Reply-To: Message from John Angelmo of "Thu, 30 Mar 2000 00:39:01 +0200." <38E28605.1C0EC1B1@veidit.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:41:06 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi everyone > > I wonder if anyone here had any problems with ppp/pppoe spoofing and > how you did prevent it I'm new to both ppp and spoofing. What is ppp spoofing ? > /John Angelmo -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 31 7:45:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE60037B7E7 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:45:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA26329; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:44:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 10:43:54 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Hovey To: Brian Somers Cc: John Angelmo , FreeBSD ISP , brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: PPP and PPPoE spoofing In-Reply-To: <200003311541.QAA03707@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think he is talking about arp spoofing - I red something about false proxy arping On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Brian Somers wrote: > > Hi everyone > > > > I wonder if anyone here had any problems with ppp/pppoe spoofing and > > how you did prevent it I'm new to both ppp and spoofing. > > What is ppp spoofing ? > > > /John Angelmo > > -- > Brian > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 31 11:53:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from zoe2.qserve.net (zoe2.qserve.net [207.250.219.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79AEC37B693 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:53:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rch@qserve.net) Received: from acidic (acidic.qserve.net [207.250.219.40]) by zoe2.qserve.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20981 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:54:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rch@qserve.net) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000331144400.00c669a0@qserve.net> X-Sender: rch@qserve.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 14:54:00 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Robert Hough Subject: Spam Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to figure out how to stop some spam from hitting my site, and have yet to figure it out. From the looks of things, it's like the spam generator being used is basically hitting a mass bulk of my users in an alphabetic approach. It even hits names in our /etc/aliases file. Is there some way these people are doing this, and is there a way to stop it? Here's a look at what my mail log showed me... Mar 31 14:34:09 zoe2 sendmail[18256]: OAA18115: to=,,, delay=00:00:47, xdelay=00:00:13, mailer=local, relay=local, stat=Sent This of course has been edited, but the user[x] would be the actual username, and these were all alphabetic in order, and each entry contained about 25+ addresses. It doesn't hit all of my users, and it shows itself to be coming from the mail-daemon.... Any help would be appreciated in this matter, as this is getting really annoying, and I'm not sure what the deal is. We are running sendmail 8.9.3 currently, and yes, and upgrade is on my todo list. -- Robert Hough (rch@qserve.net) Qserve Internet, Inc. http://www.qserve.net/ Ph: (317)802-3036 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 31 12: 5: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from thehousleys.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.224.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A880537BDC7 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:05:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Received: from thehousleys.net (baby.int.thehousleys.net [192.168.0.24]) by thehousleys.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22928; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:04:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38E504E6.A3420CD8@thehousleys.net> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:04:54 -0500 From: James Housley Organization: The Housleys dot Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Hough Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Spam References: <4.2.0.58.20000331144400.00c669a0@qserve.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Robert Hough wrote: > > I'm trying to figure out how to stop some spam from hitting my site, and > have yet to figure it out. From the looks of things, it's like the spam > generator being used is basically hitting a mass bulk of my users in an > alphabetic approach. It even hits names in our /etc/aliases file. Is there > some way these people are doing this, and is there a way to stop it? Here's > a look at what my mail log showed me... > > Mar 31 14:34:09 zoe2 sendmail[18256]: OAA18115: > to=,,, > delay=00:00:47, xdelay=00:00:13, mailer=local, relay=local, stat=Sent > > This of course has been edited, but the user[x] would be the actual > username, and these were all alphabetic in order, and each entry contained > about 25+ addresses. It doesn't hit all of my users, and it shows itself to > be coming from the mail-daemon.... > > Any help would be appreciated in this matter, as this is getting really > annoying, and I'm not sure what the deal is. We are running sendmail 8.9.3 > currently, and yes, and upgrade is on my todo list. > Sounds like an inside job, but you might want to look at: http://maps.vix.com/ specificall RBL and RSS. Jim -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 31 12: 8:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from zoe2.qserve.net (zoe2.qserve.net [207.250.219.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9F337BF25 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:08:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rch@qserve.net) Received: from acidic (acidic.qserve.net [207.250.219.40]) by zoe2.qserve.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22688; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:09:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rch@qserve.net) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000331150701.00c6f660@qserve.net> X-Sender: rch@qserve.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 15:09:20 -0500 To: James Housley From: Robert Hough Subject: Re: Spam Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <38E504E6.A3420CD8@thehousleys.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20000331144400.00c669a0@qserve.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:04 PM 3/31/00 -0500, you wrote: >Sounds like an inside job, but you might want to look at: >http://maps.vix.com/ specificall RBL and RSS. Well, I would have thought so too, but none of our users have telnet access, and I have RBL setup now, though I don't have RSS, which I was planning to do when I upgraded sendmail anyways. I'll look at it a bit more and see if I can't figure something out. Thanks -- Robert Hough (rch@qserve.net) Qserve Internet, Inc. http://www.qserve.net/ Ph: (317)802-3036 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 31 18:18:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Rigel.orionsys.com (rigel.orionsys.com [205.148.224.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CC837B798 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:18:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) Received: from localhost (dbabler@localhost) by Rigel.orionsys.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA51124; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:18:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com) X-Envelope-From: dbabler@Rigel.orionsys.com X-Envelope-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Envelope-Host: freebsd.org. Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 18:18:35 -0800 (PST) From: David Babler To: Robert Hough Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Spam In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000331144400.00c669a0@qserve.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Robert Hough wrote: > I'm trying to figure out how to stop some spam from hitting my site, and > have yet to figure it out. From the looks of things, it's like the spam > generator being used is basically hitting a mass bulk of my users in an > alphabetic approach. It's usually called a dictionary attack if they're just guessing names and is pretty inefficient (but hey, the contact is probably a raped Open Relay anyway, so what does the spammer care?). If the spammed addresses *are* real, then the list of recipients came either from one of those "5,000,000 Fresh Email Address" CD-ROMs or possibly a previous scan (connect to your sendmail and issue thousands of guessed VRFY usernames if you have that enabled). As to how to stop them, there's a couple of ways. One is to keep on top of your logs and when you see this start, ban the connecting IP either with an entry in sendmail's access database or in your firewall rules. The various realtime blackhole lists, vix.com, mail-abuse.org, orbs.org and so on can be used if the attacker is a known spam source or open relay, but that often takes a day or so to get new ones listed. > Any help would be appreciated in this matter, as this is getting really > annoying, and I'm not sure what the deal is. We are running sendmail 8.9.3 > currently, and yes, and upgrade is on my todo list. Sendmail 8.9.3 is perfectly capable of blocking this sort of thing using the access database feature or custom rules. You're also running sendmail 8.9.1 and 8.9.2 on your other mail hosts - sure they didn't relay the spam through one of your secondary hosts? -Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 31 21:51:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pop.idx.com.au (pop.idx.com.au [203.14.30.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C0E37BB31 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 21:51:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyh@idx.com.au) Received: from freebsd.freebsd.org (idxwc04-137.idx.com.au [203.166.1.137]) by pop.idx.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA19974; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 15:50:53 +1000 From: Danny To: patl@phoenix.volant.org, patl@phoenix.volant.org, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Outlook causing sendmail hangs Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:52:54 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040215551100.00513@freebsd.freebsd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Do you mean Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express. Microsoft Outlook comes with Office 97 + Outlook Express comes with Internet Explorer 4 + I know Outlook Express has a Y2K problem. Have you tried the following :- Get the person to reinstall Outlook Express again? Maybe get them to change to a better email client like Eudora On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, patl@phoenix.volant.org wrote: > I have a customer who is reporting that occasionally when sending a > message using Outlook, the sendmail process will apparently hang; > and then Outlook will make another connection, and hang that sendmail, > ad infinitum. (Leaving a cluster of hung sendmail processes.) > > Have any of you heard of anything like that? Any ideas what to look > for to fix it? (They are running a fairly recent version of sendmail > on SPARC/Solaris. I don't know what version of Outlook or Windows.) > > > Thanks, > -Pat > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 31 22: 0:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.volant.org (phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F124637BB29 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:00:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patl@phoenix.volant.org) Received: from asimov.phoenix.volant.org ([205.179.79.65]) by phoenix.volant.org with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #8) id 12bGxP-00076y-00; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:00:28 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asimov.phoenix.volant.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA14659; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:00:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:00:21 -0800 (PST) From: patl@phoenix.volant.org Reply-To: patl@phoenix.volant.org Subject: Re: Outlook causing sendmail hangs To: Danny Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <00040215551100.00513@freebsd.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 31-Mar-00 at 21:51, Danny (dannyh@idx.com.au) wrote: > Do you mean Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express. I believe it is Outlook Express; I can ask the customer to check. > Microsoft Outlook comes with Office 97 + > Outlook Express comes with Internet Explorer 4 + > > I know Outlook Express has a Y2K problem. > > Have you tried the following :- > > Get the person to reinstall Outlook Express again? > Maybe get them to change to a better email client like Eudora I've suggested that they ensure that they have installed all of the recommended Windows and mail-related patches. I'll forward the info about Y2K problems. (And, yes, I've suggested alternate mail clients; but I suspect that isn't a viable option.) Thanks, -Pat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 1 10:47:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3473237B85A for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 10:46:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12bSqr-00066f-00; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 10:42:29 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 10:42:27 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Stanley Hopcroft Cc: isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: How does one get more network throughput with FreeBSD ? (8 port router) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Stanley Hopcroft wrote: > Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, > > I am writing to ask how one increases the network throughput of a > FreeBSD server, or perhaps the question is how does one take advantage > of multiple interfaces ? > > Since I think the BSD kernels don't stripe packets (destined for > the same location) over all available interfaces, it seems to me that > the options are "stripe packets"? That is strange terminology. "Equal-cost load balancing" is a better description. Basically if multiple routes exist for the same destination, traffic is distributed over them. There is a patch for equal-cost load balancing. See list archives. > 1 Layer 2 aggregation. The interface driver round robins all packets > for the destination among the available interfaces. The above mentioned patch does this. > 2 Running a prototocol like OSPF on the server that is able to use all > available interfaces that lead to the destination. No different than #1. The kernel routing table still needs to be able to able to hold multiple routes for the same destination. You forgot some options: #3 Round-robin DNS. Works well for many application. Very simple and well understood. #4 Use a single faster interface. Throw those 100BT cards away and get a gigabit card. > Thank you, > > Yours sincerely. > > > Stanley Hopcroft > IP Australia > > +61 2 6283 3189 > +61 2 6281 1353 FAX > Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 1 13:19:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from colossus.helpfulhacker.com (colossus.helpfulhacker.com [204.251.180.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CCFE37BAE7 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:19:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmullaney@helpfulhacker.com) Received: from localhost (tmullaney@localhost) by colossus.helpfulhacker.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05383 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:22:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:22:50 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Mullaney To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: who wanted free shell accounts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Last year I gave a bunch of free testing only telnet accounts to some people on the list. We had to stop and discontinue access due to some misuse issues. We are again willing to offer shell access for testing and personal use to any ISP owner/officer or support person of an ISP. The accounts are accessible via SSH/SSH2 ONLY, no telnet access. If your interested let me know. I need the following form filled out and info will be verified before the account is created. If more that one person at an ISP wants an account just ask, dont share accounts. The machine is on a multi-homed network with a T1 to uunet and a T1 to sprint. Full Name: ISP Name: Position with ISP: ISP Home Page: ISP Telephone number: ISP Address: ISP City: ISP State: ISP Zip: login id: password: default shell: -- Thomas Mullaney email: tmullaney@helpfulhacker.com Voice: 978-433-6537 Fax: 978-433-6139 Pager: 978-321-3306 icq: 56202177 Mobile: 978-764-0233 aim: tom11395 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Integrating People, Ideas and Technology for the 21st Century and Beyond To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 1 19:22:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pop.idx.com.au (pop.idx.com.au [203.14.30.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437B537B853 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 19:22:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyh@idx.com.au) Received: from freebsd.freebsd.org (tntwc01-3-187.idx.com.au [203.166.3.187]) by pop.idx.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA26015; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:21:15 +1000 From: Danny To: patl@phoenix.volant.org, patl@phoenix.volant.org Subject: Re: Outlook causing sendmail hangs Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:24:24 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00040313253500.00610@freebsd.freebsd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No is not a major Y2K problem is just a problem with the user passwords in 'server", "options" being corrupted (because after the Y2k we had around 20 users Outlook Express users) complaining about a password problem On Sat, 01 Apr 2000, patl@phoenix.volant.org wrote: > On 31-Mar-00 at 21:51, Danny (dannyh@idx.com.au) wrote: > > Do you mean Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express. > > I believe it is Outlook Express; I can ask the customer to check. > > > Microsoft Outlook comes with Office 97 + > > Outlook Express comes with Internet Explorer 4 + > > > > I know Outlook Express has a Y2K problem. > > > > Have you tried the following :- > > > > Get the person to reinstall Outlook Express again? > > Maybe get them to change to a better email client like Eudora > > I've suggested that they ensure that they have installed > all of the recommended Windows and mail-related patches. > I'll forward the info about Y2K problems. (And, yes, I've > suggested alternate mail clients; but I suspect that isn't > a viable option.) > > > Thanks, > -Pat > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Apr 1 19:45:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F137B37B990 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 19:45:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12bbFw-0006NW-00; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 19:40:56 -0800 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 19:40:54 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Viktors Rotanovs Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Free Application Servers In-Reply-To: <38E3E633.23DE14C9@riga.nu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Viktors Rotanovs wrote: > Hello! > > Maybe not exactly FreeBSD or ISP question, but anyway... > What do people use for building portal and shop > hybrid? Minivend, Zope, Enhydra, or something else? > > Just for reference: > http://www.minivend.com/ > http://www.enhydra.org/ > http://www.zope.org/ minivend is basically a catalog system. The others are just application servers. If you are into Python, Zope is probably for you. If you are into Java, Enhydra (or Jserv, Caucho, Jakarta, Locomotive) is probably for you. There are many differences. JServ is basically just a Java servlet runner (see Sun web site for servlet API). Jakarta is a new branch of Jserv based on some new code. Jserv/Jakarta is compliant to an ancient version of the servlet API. Caucho is a faster servlet runner, and compliant to the 2.2 api. I have no idea why anyone uses Jserv still. Java servlet runners fall into the class of server side scripting. Locomotive and Enhydra are Java servlet runners with lots of add on bells and whistles. They are basically what people call "application servers." PHP and ASP (via Chillisoft) are other server side scripting languages. Both are really popular, probably more so than any of the above. Chillisoft has recently brought ASP to Unix (well Linux at least). Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message