From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Mar 6 16: 2:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f121.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8891D37BDEC for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 16:02:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmd526@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 53224 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2000 00:02:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20000307000212.53223.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.220.228.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:02:12 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.220.228.2] From: "John Daniels" To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: FINAL: installation floppies and USB Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 19:02:12 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi: My installation problem has been solved. For those of you who have not been following "Installation floppies and USB," I have written a short synopsis after my description of the resolution and conclusion. SOLUTION: I discovered that my Acer Aspire (model 6140) has two PS/2 ports (for keyboard and floppy). I purchased a PS/2 mouse and keyboard and I no longer get the "keyboard:no" message (instead it says: keyboard:yes)! (in fact, under W98, my USB keyboard and mouse, and my PS/2 keyboard and mouse all work simultaneously.) DISCUSSION: I have not seen any messages about this problem, since it turned into a BIOS discussion with the recommendation that I change the BIOS parameter "PnP OS" from YES to NO. FYI: Changing this parameter made no difference to the installation before or after I hooked up the PS/2 keyboard and mouse. It may make a difference at some later point. The PS/2 ports are hidden by a two different coverings: 1- a plastic molding that is screwed on and, 2- a plastic sheet that is glued on. No consumer-oriented documentation mentions the PS/2 ports. I only found out about them from: 1- a somewhat confusing email in which it was unclear if the writer had the same model and what the exact location of the ports were, 2- the motherboard specs which happened to be on the Acer Aspire website, which prompted a more through searching of my system. I had previously looked at the Acer website and knew it to have very little information. The Acer site doesn’t even have a search function. I only went back hoping to find if there were any BIOS updates (there were none). Two previous calls to Acer support describing my problems installing a new operation system ended with the response: "we don't support Linux or FreeBSD" -- with no mention of the possibility of using the PS/2 ports. As far as BIOS updates: I finally found that Acer Germany provided them (www.acer.de/support/techinfo/bios.htm) -- and one of these BIOS updates was specifically for “Linux support!” (this might also be needed for FreeBSD but I have not downloaded this because I don’t want to fool with my BIOS unless absolutely necessary.) I called Acer USA again but they had no idea that this site existed or why there was a BIOS update for Linux (even though the technician told me that he ran Linux (at home?)) I came to FreeBSD because I had learned that it “supported” USB but like Linux, USB support must be compiled in after installing the GENERIC kernel/system. I had purchased RedHat (before I found FreeBSD), but when I called RedHat support and described my system (with USB keyboard and mouse), I was told only that “Linux doesn’t support USB.” CONCLUSIONS: 1- “-Dh” at the boot loader’s “boot:” allowed the boot loader to load FreeBSD but when the FreeBSD GENERIC kernel was booted, the system may have been looking for input from the PS/2 port. (which I had no knowledge of!). Somehow NetBSD’s GENERIC kernel recognized my USB keyboard, because: 1- it could use the same mechanism as the boot loader (whatever that may be), 2- it has a better ability for finding devices dynamically (at least for keyboards), or 3- it supports USB. 2-Acer needs to provide better documentation. 3-Major Linux vendors, like RedHat, which have aspirations for Linux as a consumer "desktop" OS should have already come across this problem with Acer machines (along with quirkiness of other machines/manufacturers). I would have also liked to see a willingness on their part to find a solution, instead of just spouting policy. There was no willingness from RH or SuSE to provide a boot disk with a recompiled kernel (SuSE sponsored the backport that enables USB support in Linux’s STABLE kernel) 4- Although I was disappointed that FreeBSD did not support USB “out-of-the-box,” I did not expect a lot of support (like I had as a paying customer of RedHat’s). NetBSD’s installation floppy did work and that was my backup but I was encouraged to continue looking into my USB problem because I found that FreeBSD developers were willing to be helpful. This is especially true of John Barton, who first volunteered to help, but also of John Reynolds who elevated my problem to -current and Nick Hibma who responded quickly and cogently. 5- Perhaps I am naïve, but stating that an OS “supports” a device is confusing when that “support” has to be compiled in. There should be a sharper distinction between support out-of-the-box (in GENERIC) and otherwise. Part of the confusion stems from the fact that USB seems so basic. For example, almost any PC will “support” a hard disk and a printer but most people would expect a hard disk to come with the machine. In fact, hardware.txt states: “The FreeBSD kernel on the install floppy contains drivers for every piece of hardware that could conceivably be used to install the rest of the system with.” SYNOPSIS OF PROBLEM: When I booted the installation floopy I got the message: “keyboard: no” The floppy disk drive continued to work, then stopped. I was later told that my output (input,too?) was being redirected. In the file trouble.txt, I found a reference to this problem which said that when the “keyboard:no” message appears, the user should hit the spacebar then type “-Dh” at the “boot:” prompt. This worked -- I could then proceed with the installation until the FreeBSD kernel was booted and a screen appeared asking me if to choose a configuration type: none, full screen, or command line (CLI). Unfortunately, at this point my keyboard was not working. I believe that is because I have a USB keyboard but Nick Hibma has said that they have USB systems that could boot the installation disks without any keyboard problems. Thus, BIOS settings and IRQ settings became an issue: could there be conflicts or settings that needed to be changed? No BIOS setting changes made any difference and I came across the PS/2 ports while I was trying to learn more about BIOS for my system. John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Mar 6 19:14:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210CD37BED2; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:14:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02926; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 22:13:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200003070313.WAA02926@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000307000212.53223.qmail@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 22:13:57 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: John Daniels Subject: RE: FINAL: installation floppies and USB Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 07-Mar-00 John Daniels wrote: > Hi: > My installation problem has been solved. For those of you who have not been > following "Installation floppies and USB," I have written a short synopsis > after my description of the resolution and conclusion. Good, glad you got your system working. > 4- Although I was disappointed that FreeBSD did not support USB > “out-of-the-box,” I did not expect a lot of support (like I had as a paying > customer of RedHat’s). NetBSD’s installation floppy did work and that was > my backup but I was encouraged to continue looking into my USB problem > because I found that FreeBSD developers were willing to be helpful. This is > especially true of John Barton, who first volunteered to help, but also of > John Reynolds who elevated my problem to -current and Nick Hibma who > responded quickly and cogently. This does need to be rectified. I still want to build a USB-enabled release and try to get it tested, or at least some custom boot floppies. If I get these built, I might ask to have you test them for me if you could. The thing is, while you may have been fortunate to find some PS/2 ports, a lot of new motherboads are USB only. I know because I have been looking at getting an Athlon, and most of the Athlon motherboards are USB only. Part of the problem is that apparently USB cannot be compiled directly into the kernel. Instead, doing so results in an unstable kernel. Instead, USB needs to be loaded via kld's, which complicates the boot disks somewhat. > 5- Perhaps I am naïve, but stating that an OS “supports” a device is > confusing when that “support” has to be compiled in. There should be a > sharper distinction between support out-of-the-box (in GENERIC) and > otherwise. Part of the confusion stems from the fact that USB seems so > basic. For example, almost any PC will “support” a hard disk and a printer > but most people would expect a hard disk to come with the machine. > In fact, hardware.txt states: > “The FreeBSD kernel on the install floppy contains drivers for every > piece of hardware that could conceivably be used to install the rest > of the system with. As mentioned above, this is a definite concern that needs to be addressed. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Mar 6 19:28:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f197.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A3ECD37BC52 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:28:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmd526@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 21894 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2000 03:28:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000307032847.21893.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.220.228.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Mar 2000 19:28:47 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.220.228.2] From: "John Daniels" To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Cc: jhb@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FINAL: Installation floppies and USB Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 22:28:47 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oops: That's kudos for John *Baldwin,* NOT "Barton." A thousand pardons... John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Mar 7 15: 8: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D58637C11D; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:08:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from slave (doug@slave [10.0.0.1]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25917; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:07:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:07:58 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton X-Sender: doug@dt051n0b.san.rr.com To: John Daniels Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-qa@freebsd.org, jhb@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FINAL: Installation floppies and USB In-Reply-To: <20000307032847.21893.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, John Daniels wrote: > Oops: That's kudos for John *Baldwin,* NOT "Barton." A thousand pardons... Hey... calling him Barton is a _compliment_! :) Doug -- "Welcome to the desert of the real." - Laurence Fishburne as Morpheus, "The Matrix" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 8 8:41:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from melete.ch.intel.com (melete.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA60537C099 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 08:41:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by melete.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.19 2000/01/29 00:15:43 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id QAA00171 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 16:43:26 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.10 2000/02/10 21:38:16 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id JAA10354 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:40:54 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-To: X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id LAA09201; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:41:52 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14534.33488.604429.243395@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 09:41:52 -0700 (MST) To: qa@freebsd.org Subject: given this, will RC3 still happen? X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.11 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just snarfed this from current-digest: > From: "Kenneth D. Merry" > Subject: Re: when is 4.0 up for release ? > > On Tue, Mar 07, 2000 at 14:33:18 -0600, Mohit Aron wrote: > > Hi, > > is FreeBSD-4.0-RELEASE going to happen anytime soon ? > > Looks like it is scheduled for Monday, March 13th. > > Obviously that could change if problems crop up. > > Ken > - -- > Kenneth Merry > ken@kdm.org Is 4.0-RC3 still going to happen so that a final "let's install this to make sure it's not hosed" test can be done? I realize that Jordan's trip to Europe and the Alpha breakage mentioned last week slowed the work down--I'm just wondering if RC3 will still happen. -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 8 10:32:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from pan.ch.intel.com (pan.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A734737B647 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:32:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by pan.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.19 2000/01/29 00:15:43 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id LAA12423 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:32:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.10 2000/02/10 21:38:16 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id LAA26792 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:31:34 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-To: X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id NAA13995; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 13:32:33 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14534.40128.926333.69874@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 11:32:32 -0700 (MST) To: qa@freebsd.org Subject: retract my previous question ... RC3 now available! X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.11 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was wondering about RC3 this morning and just saw this: > From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > Subject: FreeBSD 4.0 release candidate #3 now available. > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/alpha/4.0-20000307-CURRENT > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/4.0-20000307-CURRENT > With ISO images available from: > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/ISO-IMAGES/4.0-20000307-CURRENT/ > .. just as soon as they finish uploading (the i386 image is already > there and the alpha image is about 8% there and should be in place by > the time most of you read this message). > > This will probably be the last release candidate image before release > day unless folks find some real show-stoppers here, so please look > thoroughly :). Thanks! > > - Jordan This announcment didn't make it here on this list for us qa'ers. Go get the ISO's or whatever you use and install this sucker! -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 8 10:50:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from viking.sophos.com (viking.sophos.com [193.82.145.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C6837B644 for ; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 10:50:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmb@sophos.com) Received: from tyne.sophos.com (tyne.sophos.com [193.82.145.132]) by viking.sophos.com (MAILER-DAEMON) with ESMTP id D912A45C01; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:50:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sophos.com (tmb@localhost) by tyne.sophos.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA39326; Wed, 8 Mar 2000 18:50:03 GMT (envelope-from tmb@sophos.com) Message-Id: <200003081850.SAA39326@tyne.sophos.com> To: John Reynolds~ Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: retract my previous question ... RC3 now available! In-Reply-To: Message from John Reynolds~ of "Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:32:32 MST." <14534.40128.926333.69874@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 18:50:03 +0000 From: Mark Blackman Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Actually it looks like a new version is being uploaded as of this evening, so its not quite ready for burning yet. Mark. > > I was wondering about RC3 this morning and just saw this: > > > From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > > Subject: FreeBSD 4.0 release candidate #3 now available. > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/alpha/4.0-20000307-CURRENT > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/4.0-20000307-CURRENT > > With ISO images available from: > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/ISO-IMAGES/4.0-20000307-CURR > ENT/ > > .. just as soon as they finish uploading (the i386 image is already > > there and the alpha image is about 8% there and should be in place by > > the time most of you read this message). > > > > This will probably be the last release candidate image before release > > day unless folks find some real show-stoppers here, so please look > > thoroughly :). Thanks! > > > > - Jordan > > This announcment didn't make it here on this list for us qa'ers. Go > get the ISO's or whatever you use and install this sucker! > > -Jr > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | > | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | > | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 9 22:10:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com (cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com [24.11.88.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2136137B933; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:10:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) Received: from whale.home-net (whale [192.168.1.2]) by cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA60009; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:10:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) Received: (from jjreynold@localhost) by whale.home-net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00705; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:10:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) From: John Reynolds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14536.37324.570844.920977@whale.home-net> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:10:20 -0700 (MST) To: qa@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Feedback on 4.0-RC3 (mostly good! :) X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under Emacs 20.6.1 Cc: Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, finally had a chance to frag the hard drive and install 4.0-RC3 from cdrom and see how it went. Here's my observations on the good: 1) On the same hardware as I tested 4.0-RC and 4.0-RC2 on, now I no longer get those "long ATA probes"! This is awesome! Whatever was done, is great, now the machine boots very speedily. 2) The "Standard Installation" is much better than "Novice". It was good to rename this. 3) I chose the "A" option for partition/label and good, reasonable defaults were given to me. 4) The "Standard Install" went flawlessly (despite my best attempts at pilot error :). Now observations on a few nit-picky things: 1) There is a typo (spelling error) in one of the dialogs I was presented. I was trying to force pilot error into the situation :) and got a dialog that contained the following line: "You can also chose "No" at the next prompt and go back into the installation menus to try and retry whichever operations failed." The word "chose" should be "choose." I'd supply a patch, but I only installed kernel source :( 2) Again, while trying to inject pilot error, I created a FreeBSD partition of only 10Mb and gave that as the only slice the Label editor could deal with. When I hit 'A' to have it auto-decide, it came back with a dialog box: "Unable to create root partition. Too big?" I assume by what I gave to it, that it means to say "dummy, you didn't give me a big enough slice with which to work, try again." If that is the case, perhaps a small re-write of the dialog message is in order to help explain what has gone on and a possible course of action to correct the problem--like "give me a larger slice to work with here". In all honesty, I *meant* to create a 10Gb partition and typed so fast that my brain didn't snap that "10M" != "10G" ... and thus I presented a wierd situation to the Label editor. The system is fast, GNOME+E. desktop is usable, kernel config went like a charm. Looks *real* good from where I'm sittin'. Good work to all! Let's ship this puppy. :) -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= John Reynolds Chandler Capabilities Engineering, CDS, Intel Corporation jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com My opinions are mine, not Intel's. Running jjreynold@home.com FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE. FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://members.home.com/jjreynold/ Come join us!!! @ http://www.FreeBSD.org/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 9 22:18: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from cr759667-a.nvcr1.bc.wave.home.com (cr759667-a.nvcr1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.130.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF4937B935; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:18:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fido@yaahoo.yi.org) Received: from localhost (fido@localhost) by cr759667-a.nvcr1.bc.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17417; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:19:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fido@yaahoo.yi.org) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:19:58 -0800 (PST) From: "Shaun (UNIX)" X-Sender: fido@cr759667-a.nvcr1.bc.wave.home.com To: John Reynolds Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Feedback on 4.0-RC3 (mostly good! :) In-Reply-To: <14536.37324.570844.920977@whale.home-net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, You are using RC3 ? Hmm...I wonder why you are not getting the ATA prob problems like alot of us are. What is your system config? Yes it is FAST! and I love it....I see that the 64MB memory problem has been fix at the install level. 3.x only reads 64MB of RAM at the floppy install. 4.0 reads all of my 128MB. Cheers Shaun On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, John Reynolds wrote: > > OK, finally had a chance to frag the hard drive and install 4.0-RC3 from cdrom > and see how it went. Here's my observations on the good: > > 1) On the same hardware as I tested 4.0-RC and 4.0-RC2 on, now I no longer get > those "long ATA probes"! This is awesome! Whatever was done, is great, now > the machine boots very speedily. > > 2) The "Standard Installation" is much better than "Novice". It was good to > rename this. > > 3) I chose the "A" option for partition/label and good, reasonable defaults > were given to me. > > 4) The "Standard Install" went flawlessly (despite my best attempts at pilot > error :). > > Now observations on a few nit-picky things: > > 1) There is a typo (spelling error) in one of the dialogs I was presented. I > was trying to force pilot error into the situation :) and got a dialog that > contained the following line: > > "You can also chose "No" at the next prompt and go back into the > installation menus to try and retry whichever operations failed." > > The word "chose" should be "choose." I'd supply a patch, but I only > installed kernel source :( > > 2) Again, while trying to inject pilot error, I created a FreeBSD partition of > only 10Mb and gave that as the only slice the Label editor could deal > with. When I hit 'A' to have it auto-decide, it came back with a dialog > box: > > "Unable to create root partition. Too big?" > > I assume by what I gave to it, that it means to say "dummy, you didn't give > me a big enough slice with which to work, try again." If that is the case, > perhaps a small re-write of the dialog message is in order to help explain > what has gone on and a possible course of action to correct the > problem--like "give me a larger slice to work with here". In all honesty, I > *meant* to create a 10Gb partition and typed so fast that my brain didn't > snap that "10M" != "10G" ... and thus I presented a wierd situation to the > Label editor. > > The system is fast, GNOME+E. desktop is usable, kernel config went like a > charm. Looks *real* good from where I'm sittin'. Good work to all! Let's ship > this puppy. :) > > -Jr > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > John Reynolds Chandler Capabilities Engineering, CDS, Intel Corporation > jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com My opinions are mine, not Intel's. Running > jjreynold@home.com FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE. FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. > http://members.home.com/jjreynold/ Come join us!!! @ http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 9 22:25:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com (cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com [24.11.88.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF6937B944; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 22:25:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) Received: from whale.home-net (whale [192.168.1.2]) by cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA60056; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:25:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) Received: (from jjreynold@localhost) by whale.home-net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00960; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:25:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) From: John Reynolds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14536.38208.393729.229282@whale.home-net> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:25:04 -0700 (MST) To: "Shaun (UNIX)" Cc: John Reynolds , qa@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Feedback on 4.0-RC3 (mostly good! :) In-Reply-To: References: <14536.37324.570844.920977@whale.home-net> X-Mailer: VM 6.73 under Emacs 20.6.1 Cc: Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ On Thursday, March 9, Shaun (UNIX) wrote: ] > Hello, > > You are using RC3 ? Hmm...I wonder why you are not getting the ATA prob > problems like alot of us are. What is your system config? > I'm using a P2B-DS Asus motherboard with BX chipset. Standard PIIX4 stuff. The drive is a Quantum Fireball 20.5Gb (don't have the exact model number handy). It's a UDMA66 drive but of course I'm only using UDMA33 to it ... I don't have the dmesg output handy from 4.0-RC3, but here's from 3.4-STABLE: chip0: rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x02 on pci0.1.0 chip2: rev 0x02 on pci0.4.0 Beats me, it's a pretty vanilla setup. All I know is that now when the thing boots from the cd (and after compiling a custom kernel) it doesn't sit there and "hang" for 30 seconds or so like it did before ..... ? > Yes it is FAST! and I love it....I see that the 64MB memory problem has > been fix at the install level. 3.x only reads 64MB of RAM at the floppy > install. 4.0 reads all of my 128MB. Yes, very fast ... I'm really looking forward to running it (I've been installing on a disc I can frag at will ... can't "take the plunge" until later :). -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= John Reynolds Chandler Capabilities Engineering, CDS, Intel Corporation jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com My opinions are mine, not Intel's. Running jjreynold@home.com FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE. FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://members.home.com/jjreynold/ Come join us!!! @ http://www.FreeBSD.org/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 10 5:15:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from reyim.ne.mediaone.net (reyim.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.251.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C611137BA55; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 05:15:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bloom@acm.org) Received: from acm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by reyim.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00910; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:15:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bloom@acm.org) Message-ID: <38C8F554.A1C004C6@acm.org> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:15:00 -0500 From: Jim Bloom Reply-To: bloom@acm.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Reynolds Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Feedback on 4.0-RC3 (mostly good! :) References: <14536.37324.570844.920977@whale.home-net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Reynolds wrote: > 1) There is a typo (spelling error) in one of the dialogs I was presented. I > was trying to force pilot error into the situation :) and got a dialog that > contained the following line: > > "You can also chose "No" at the next prompt and go back into the > installation menus to try and retry whichever operations failed." > > The word "chose" should be "choose." I'd supply a patch, but I only > installed kernel source :( > Also, this sentence should either have "try and" removed or replaced with "attempt to". Either of these is much better grammatically. Jim Bloom bloom@acm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 10 16:48:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF93137BA6C for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:48:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.47.188.33] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id va100745 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:48:30 -0500 Received: from Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA00315; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:48:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) From: Walter Brameld To: "Shaun (UNIX)" , John Reynolds Subject: Re: Feedback on 4.0-RC3 (mostly good! :) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:42:16 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00031019481801.00247@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, Shaun (UNIX) wrote: > Hello, > > You are using RC3 ? Hmm...I wonder why you are not getting the ATA prob > problems like alot of us are. What is your system config? > > Yes it is FAST! and I love it....I see that the 64MB memory problem has > been fix at the install level. 3.x only reads 64MB of RAM at the floppy > install. 4.0 reads all of my 128MB. > > Cheers > Shaun Odd, 3.x always read all of my 128MB. I didn't get any ata probe problems and didn't read the posts. I wonder about other nit-picky things, like why is sound.doc (to which I've seen numorous RTFM references) still written for configurations under FreeBSD 2.1 ? > On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, John Reynolds wrote: > > > > > OK, finally had a chance to frag the hard drive and install 4.0-RC3 from cdrom > > and see how it went. Here's my observations on the good: > > > > 1) On the same hardware as I tested 4.0-RC and 4.0-RC2 on, now I no longer get > > those "long ATA probes"! This is awesome! Whatever was done, is great, now > > the machine boots very speedily. > > > > 2) The "Standard Installation" is much better than "Novice". It was good to > > rename this. > > > > 3) I chose the "A" option for partition/label and good, reasonable defaults > > were given to me. > > > > 4) The "Standard Install" went flawlessly (despite my best attempts at pilot > > error :). > > > > Now observations on a few nit-picky things: > > > > 1) There is a typo (spelling error) in one of the dialogs I was presented. I > > was trying to force pilot error into the situation :) and got a dialog that > > contained the following line: > > > > "You can also chose "No" at the next prompt and go back into the > > installation menus to try and retry whichever operations failed." > > > > The word "chose" should be "choose." I'd supply a patch, but I only > > installed kernel source :( > > > > 2) Again, while trying to inject pilot error, I created a FreeBSD partition of > > only 10Mb and gave that as the only slice the Label editor could deal > > with. When I hit 'A' to have it auto-decide, it came back with a dialog > > box: > > > > "Unable to create root partition. Too big?" > > > > I assume by what I gave to it, that it means to say "dummy, you didn't give > > me a big enough slice with which to work, try again." If that is the case, > > perhaps a small re-write of the dialog message is in order to help explain > > what has gone on and a possible course of action to correct the > > problem--like "give me a larger slice to work with here". In all honesty, I > > *meant* to create a 10Gb partition and typed so fast that my brain didn't > > snap that "10M" != "10G" ... and thus I presented a wierd situation to the > > Label editor. > > > > The system is fast, GNOME+E. desktop is usable, kernel config went like a > > charm. Looks *real* good from where I'm sittin'. Good work to all! Let's ship > > this puppy. :) > > > > -Jr > > > > -- > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > John Reynolds Chandler Capabilities Engineering, CDS, Intel Corporation > > jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com My opinions are mine, not Intel's. Running > > jjreynold@home.com FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE. FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. > > http://members.home.com/jjreynold/ Come join us!!! @ http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- Walter Brameld Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Walter: Where the hell am I? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 10 17: 1:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 1633837BB67; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:01:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142262E8154; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:01:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:01:55 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Walter Brameld Cc: "Shaun (UNIX)" , John Reynolds , qa@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Feedback on 4.0-RC3 (mostly good! :) In-Reply-To: <00031019481801.00247@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Walter Brameld wrote: > I wonder about other nit-picky things, like why is sound.doc (to > which I've seen numorous RTFM references) still written for > configurations under FreeBSD 2.1 ? Because no-one has rewritten it? Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 10 17:13:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5145137BF64 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:13:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.47.188.33] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id ga101588 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:13:14 -0500 Received: from Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA00377; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:13:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) From: Walter Brameld To: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: Feedback on 4.0-RC3 (mostly good! :) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:11:30 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: "Shaun (UNIX)" , John Reynolds , qa@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00031020130904.00247@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Walter Brameld wrote: > > > I wonder about other nit-picky things, like why is sound.doc (to > > which I've seen numorous RTFM references) still written for > > configurations under FreeBSD 2.1 ? > > Because no-one has rewritten it? > > Kris Yeah, I'll buy that. Now I gather it was not written by the commiters and it's not their responsibility (?) to rewrite it. But is there any point in keeing it? -- Walter Brameld Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Walter: Where the hell am I? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 10 17:15:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail.twave.net (twave.net [206.100.228.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CFD3837BF7A for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:15:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) Received: from [208.47.188.33] by mail.twave.net (NTMail 3.03.0018/1.abwg) with ESMTP id ya101684 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:15:23 -0500 Received: from Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA00390; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:15:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brameld@twave.net) From: Walter Brameld To: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: Feedback on 4.0-RC3 (mostly good! :) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:14:47 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: "Shaun (UNIX)" , John Reynolds , qa@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG References: <00031020130904.00247@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> In-Reply-To: <00031020130904.00247@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00031020150605.00247@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, Walter Brameld wrote: > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, in a never-ending search for enlightenment, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Walter Brameld wrote: > > > > > I wonder about other nit-picky things, like why is sound.doc (to > > > which I've seen numorous RTFM references) still written for > > > configurations under FreeBSD 2.1 ? > > > > Because no-one has rewritten it? > > > > Kris > > Yeah, I'll buy that. Now I gather it was not written by the commiters > and it's not their responsibility (?) to rewrite it. But is there any > point in keeing it? > Er, keeping. -- Walter Brameld Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? Walter: Where the hell am I? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 10 17:36:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id D741737B8F1; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:36:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BD02E8155; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:36:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:36:41 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Walter Brameld Cc: "Shaun (UNIX)" , John Reynolds , qa@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Feedback on 4.0-RC3 (mostly good! :) In-Reply-To: <00031020130904.00247@Bozo_3.BozoLand.domain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Walter Brameld wrote: > Yeah, I'll buy that. Now I gather it was not written by the commiters > and it's not their responsibility (?) to rewrite it. But is there any > point in keeing it? This is FreeBSD, no-one has any resposibilities whatsoever :-) It should probably either be removed or updated. Submitting a PR would be best. Kris ---- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message