From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Sep 9 6:43:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C27637B422; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 06:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca5-129.ix.netcom.com [209.109.234.129]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA30139; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e89Dhg411508; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 06:43:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 06:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009091343.e89Dhg411508@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: ports@FreeBSD.org Cc: qa@FreeBSD.org, taguchi@tohoku.iij.ad.jp Subject: Making XFree86-4 the default From: asami@FreeBSD.org (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, What do you guys think about making XFree86-4-* the default now? With the split-up XFree86-4 ports and the xtt-* servers (which are basically 3.3.6 servers plus TrueType patches), I think everyone can have a reasonable system. Those who don't want XFree86-4 can still set XFREE86_VERSION=3 in their /etc/make.conf, but I will be generating packages with XF8V set to 4 and also the package build logs will be showing up for 4 only. There are still many ports that have problems with XFree86-4 (most notable the HTML manpage stuff) but we have 2 months to fix those before the next release. This will enable us to turn X into a true dependency, instead of a pseudo-dependency that we all came to hate (especially Jordan and I). It will also allow us to support alpha better and have a faster turnaround time for bug/security fixes. Here is a short todo list. (1) Add a meta-port so people can install "everything". Maybe some extra meta-ports that don't depend on the less popular font files or weird servers (Xprt, etc.) will also make it easier. (2) Fix sysinstall menus to point to these instead of 3.3.6 ones. Comments and additions welcome. Satoshi P.S. It seems open-motif is also ready for prime time.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Sep 9 9:36:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from radon.gryphonsoft.com (mcut-b-167.resnet.purdue.edu [128.211.209.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BBC37B424; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 09:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by radon.gryphonsoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A9F4B194F; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 11:33:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 11:33:51 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: Satoshi Asami Cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG, taguchi@tohoku.iij.ad.jp Subject: Re: Making XFree86-4 the default Message-ID: <20000909113351.O632@radon.gryphonsoft.com> Reply-To: Will Andrews Mail-Followup-To: Will Andrews , Satoshi Asami , ports@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG, taguchi@tohoku.iij.ad.jp References: <200009091343.e89Dhg411508@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200009091343.e89Dhg411508@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu>; from asami@FreeBSD.ORG on Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 06:43:42AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 06:43:42AM -0700, Satoshi Asami wrote: > What do you guys think about making XFree86-4-* the default now? With > the split-up XFree86-4 ports and the xtt-* servers (which are > basically 3.3.6 servers plus TrueType patches), I think everyone can > have a reasonable system. I am still running XFree86 3.3.6 because things like Utah-GLX don't work with 4.0.x, and 4.x still has a lot of GL issues. :-( Unless someone here has gone and made a hack to get around the fact that XFree86-4 improperly installs GL includes and libraries (it doesn't install all of them for some reason). > Those who don't want XFree86-4 can still set XFREE86_VERSION=3 in > their /etc/make.conf, but I will be generating packages with XF8V set > to 4 and also the package build logs will be showing up for 4 only. I guess that is okay. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+ a--- C++ UB++++$ P+ L- E--- W+ N-- !o ?K w--- O- M+ V- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X+ R+ tv+ b++ DI+++ D+ G++ e>++++ h! r- y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Sep 9 15:19:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E6337B422; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 15:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bonsai.hiwaay.net (tnt6-216-180-4-137.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.4.137]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e89MJM703960; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:19:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by bonsai.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e89MJKQ36312; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:19:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from steve) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:19:20 -0500 From: Steve Price To: Satoshi Asami Cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG, taguchi@tohoku.iij.ad.jp Subject: Re: Making XFree86-4 the default Message-ID: <20000909171920.J2089@bonsai.hiwaay.net> References: <200009091343.e89Dhg411508@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200009091343.e89Dhg411508@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu>; from asami@FreeBSD.ORG on Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 06:43:42AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 06:43:42AM -0700, Satoshi Asami wrote: # Hi, # # What do you guys think about making XFree86-4-* the default now? With # the split-up XFree86-4 ports and the xtt-* servers (which are # basically 3.3.6 servers plus TrueType patches), I think everyone can # have a reasonable system. The only concern that I would have is about all the complaints about 4.x not supporting enough video cards besides being generally buggy. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Sep 9 15:56: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4EC737B423; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 15:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id PAA41568; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 15:55:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 15:55:57 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Satoshi Asami Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org, taguchi@tohoku.iij.ad.jp Subject: Re: Making XFree86-4 the default Message-ID: <20000909155557.B40986@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200009091343.e89Dhg411508@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200009091343.e89Dhg411508@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu>; from asami@FreeBSD.org on Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 06:43:42AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 06:43:42AM -0700, Satoshi Asami wrote: > What do you guys think about making XFree86-4-* the default now? With > the split-up XFree86-4 ports and the xtt-* servers (which are > basically 3.3.6 servers plus TrueType patches), I think everyone can > have a reasonable system. AFAIK they still havent added the setuid wrapper which may protect from any other buffer overflows in the server binary. They also havent added back PAM support which is in 3.x. > There are still many ports that have problems with XFree86-4 (most > notable the HTML manpage stuff) but we have 2 months to fix those > before the next release. Actually we are talking about doing a net-only 4.1.5 release in a few weeks to make use of the fact that SSH now works properly by default. Maybe we should wait for now.. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Sep 9 17:40:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE5E37B424; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e8A0eRt15811; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:10:27 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:10:27 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Satoshi Asami Cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG, taguchi@tohoku.iij.ad.jp Subject: Re: Making XFree86-4 the default Message-ID: <20000910101026.B15703@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200009091343.e89Dhg411508@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200009091343.e89Dhg411508@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu>; from asami@FreeBSD.ORG on Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 06:43:42AM -0700 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday, 9 September 2000 at 6:43:42 -0700, Satoshi Asami wrote: > Hi, > > What do you guys think about making XFree86-4-* the default now? With > the split-up XFree86-4 ports and the xtt-* servers (which are > basically 3.3.6 servers plus TrueType patches), I think everyone can > have a reasonable system. > > Those who don't want XFree86-4 can still set XFREE86_VERSION=3 in > their /etc/make.conf, but I will be generating packages with XF8V set > to 4 and also the package build logs will be showing up for 4 only. > > There are still many ports that have problems with XFree86-4 (most > notable the HTML manpage stuff) but we have 2 months to fix those > before the next release. I'd definitely like to see this. I'm in the process of writing the fourth edition of "The Complete FreeBSD", and it's a sensible time to describe 4 instead of 3. I can't address the bugginess issues, except to say that they don't seem to be biting me. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Sep 9 20:27:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (CDR27-115.accesscable.net [24.138.27.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77DA37B423; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 20:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e8A3RBE29657; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 00:27:12 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 00:27:11 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Greg Lehey Cc: Satoshi Asami , ports@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG, taguchi@tohoku.iij.ad.jp Subject: Re: Making XFree86-4 the default In-Reply-To: <20000910101026.B15703@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Saturday, 9 September 2000 at 6:43:42 -0700, Satoshi Asami wrote: > > Hi, > > > > What do you guys think about making XFree86-4-* the default now? With > > the split-up XFree86-4 ports and the xtt-* servers (which are > > basically 3.3.6 servers plus TrueType patches), I think everyone can > > have a reasonable system. > > > > Those who don't want XFree86-4 can still set XFREE86_VERSION=3 in > > their /etc/make.conf, but I will be generating packages with XF8V set > > to 4 and also the package build logs will be showing up for 4 only. > > > > There are still many ports that have problems with XFree86-4 (most > > notable the HTML manpage stuff) but we have 2 months to fix those > > before the next release. > > I'd definitely like to see this. I'm in the process of writing the > fourth edition of "The Complete FreeBSD", and it's a sensible time to > describe 4 instead of 3. > > I can't address the bugginess issues, except to say that they don't > seem to be biting me. Ditto here too ... I'm using 4 on all my machines, and other then problems before moving to 4.0.1, I've had nothing attack me yet ... Just curious though ... someone brought up a problem where 4.x doesn't support all the cards that 3.x does/did. Any way of using something like Superprobe to determine which one to install? Basically, make a special port for a standalone SuperProbe, and maintain in it a list of what 4.x supports and if the persons video card isn't supported, default to 3.x. From looking at SuperProbe, it has no X dependencies: hub# ldd SuperProbe SuperProbe: libc.so.4 => /usr/lib/libc.so.4 (0x48076000) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message