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Synopsis: 4.0 config yields warnings on PicoBSD's use of 'conflicts'

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Patches have been committed to RELENG_4 and HEAD to remove
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Patrick S. Gardella wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 03:56:09PM -0800, Doug White wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Patrick Gardella wrote:
> > 
> > > For all you crunchgen experts out there:
> > > 
> > > Is there any way to use the "ln" feature of crunchgen to do aliases?
> > > For instance:
> > > ln la ls -Al
> > > So that when the crunched binary saw "la" in argv[0] would run "ls -Al"?
> > 
> > How about a shell script or a shell dotfile the defines the alias?  This
> > implies you're dropping to a shell so you have all the normal facilities.
> 
> No, what I'm trying to do is figure out how to get sash to replace 
> all the normal commands in PicoBSD. sash -cp = cp sash -mv = mv
> 
> It'll take less room that way.

I thought the builtins are used also when sash can't find external
programs with that name, so if there is no /bin/cp on the floppy, it
will use internal cp. The -<name> form was only for cases when you
really want to invoke the builtin, though the external program by that
name exists in your PATH.

Andrzej Bialecki

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Hi Guys,
Im trying to find out how to install Freebsd onto A DiskONChip. I cannot
find any documentation at all. Could you please tell me if it is possible and
if so point me in the right direction.
Thankyou 

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In message <s8d730d3.010@brisbane.qld.gov.au> David Elkin writes:
: Im trying to find out how to install Freebsd onto A DiskONChip. I cannot
: find any documentation at all. Could you please tell me if it is possible and
: if so point me in the right direction.

src/sys/contrib/dev/fla/README

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As I recall, David Elkin wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> Im trying to find out how to install Freebsd onto A DiskONChip. I cannot
> find any documentation at all. Could you please tell me if it is possible and
> if so point me in the right direction.
> Thankyou 
> 
> Dave
> ----

Funny, we're trying to do the same thing.  We have a 3.4-RELEASE
system that can talk to the DiskOnChip, but can't get a kernel to
boot up from it.

The device driver on the development system works.  We can mount the
DiskOnChip (as /dev/fla0s4a -- we fdisk'd and disklabel'd it).  We
can get a kernel installed on the DiskOnChip, and get the BIOS to load
that kernel into memory.  But we can't figure out what magic incantation
it takes to get the kernel to know where its root filesystem is.

The "kernel" config option in the config file seems to be being
ignored, and I can't grok the disk naming conventions in
/boot/loader.rc for the "rootdev" variable.

So we get as far as the kernel trying to change root to wd0a and
panicing.

I'll bet this is easy for someone who's done it.  And not to hard for
someone who knows his way completely around the 3.4 boot mechanisms.

Help?

	-crl
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In message <200003202322.QAA13417@freeway.dcfinc.com> "Chad R. Larson" writes:
: Funny, we're trying to do the same thing.  We have a 3.4-RELEASE
: system that can talk to the DiskOnChip, but can't get a kernel to
: boot up from it.

We've shipped systems that boot from these based on 3.4-stable.

: The device driver on the development system works.  We can mount the
: DiskOnChip (as /dev/fla0s4a -- we fdisk'd and disklabel'd it).  We
: can get a kernel installed on the DiskOnChip, and get the BIOS to load
: that kernel into memory.  But we can't figure out what magic incantation
: it takes to get the kernel to know where its root filesystem is.

You need newer boot blocks than are in 3.4.  I made change to allow
them to pass the kernel's boot partition.  You also need to label the
device as a DOC2K (hmmm, come to think of it, this may be in 3.4)
however, since the boot blocks guess what the root device is based on
what the label says.

: I'll bet this is easy for someone who's done it.  And not to hard for
: someone who knows his way completely around the 3.4 boot mechanisms.

Let me know if this helps.  We've made about a dozen systems in our
embedded product.  We have found that DOC parts tend to "wear out"
much much faster than the compact flash cards that you find in
cameras.  Either that, or they have a might higher failure rate.
We'll likely move to CF in future versions of the product.

Warner


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> The "kernel" config option in the config file seems to be being
> ignored, and I can't grok the disk naming conventions in
> /boot/loader.rc for the "rootdev" variable.

It won't help, unfortunately.

> So we get as far as the kernel trying to change root to wd0a and
> panicing.
> 
> I'll bet this is easy for someone who's done it.  And not to hard for
> someone who knows his way completely around the 3.4 boot mechanisms.

3.x is a little too stupid when it comes to finding the root device.  If
at all possible, I'd recommend using 4.0.  If you can't, you'll need to
hack the loader or bootblocks up to supply a correct major device number
for the root device.

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In message <200003210102.RAA04271@mass.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes:
: 3.x is a little too stupid when it comes to finding the root device.  If
: at all possible, I'd recommend using 4.0.  If you can't, you'll need to
: hack the loader or bootblocks up to supply a correct major device number
: for the root device.

Actually, I hacked the 3.4 boot blocks to do this already.  It is
gross, but it does work.

Like I said before, you have to label the disk as a DOC2K by saying
'type: DOC2K' in the editor when you are editing the disklabel -e.

Warner


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In article <200003210102.RAA04271@mass.cdrom.com> you wrote:

>> So we get as far as the kernel trying to change root to wd0a and
>> panicing.
>> 
>> I'll bet this is easy for someone who's done it.  And not to hard for
>> someone who knows his way completely around the 3.4 boot mechanisms.

The magic spell you need for your 3.x kernel config file is:
config          kernel  root on major 28 minor 65538 

Larry

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In article <000f01bf9253$f3790a00$0200a8c0@test2> you wrote:
> Hi,
> Kzip doesn't understand kernel format in 3.4-Release.
> Kzip wrote "Bad magic number, probably it isn't a kernel"
> If someone know what to do please answer me.

Use kgzip instead of kzip.

Larry


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Does anyone know if the Jumptec ChipDisk will work for PicoBSD/FreeBSD?  

I know that the M-Systems DiskonChip does
(/usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/fla/README), but I'm comparing two systems,
and the cost is the same for either system.
 
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In message <38D7D8B0.EF93A315@whetstonelogic.com> Patrick Gardella writes:
: Does anyone know if the Jumptec ChipDisk will work for PicoBSD/FreeBSD?  

No clue.  If it is a IDE disk thing, sure.  If it emulates a doc2k,
then sure.  Otherwise likely no.  Any url for specs?

Warner


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Warner Losh wrote:
> 
> In message <38D7D8B0.EF93A315@whetstonelogic.com> Patrick Gardella writes:
> : Does anyone know if the Jumptec ChipDisk will work for PicoBSD/FreeBSD?
> 
> No clue.  If it is a IDE disk thing, sure.  If it emulates a doc2k,
> then sure.  Otherwise likely no.  Any url for specs?

Sure:
http://www.jumptec.com/navi/chipdisk/chipframe.html

Looks like an IDE disk thing...
"Fully IDE hardware- compatible flash disk, which is directly pluggable
on to a 2.5" IDE plug. "
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In message <38D7DC55.9DF33DAB@whetstonelogic.com> Patrick Gardella writes:
: Sure:
: http://www.jumptec.com/navi/chipdisk/chipframe.html

Supported.

Warner


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I am looking for a tutorial and/or how-tos for installing FreeBSD 4 on a 16M
SanDisk IDE device.  With Linux you would just fdisk, mke2fs, cp the minimal
root and kernel to the SanDisk and run lilo and Bango! done...  However, I
don't want to put that smelly OS on my nice fresh IOpener.

I can compile a custom FreeBSD kernel and cvsup my sources for a good-ol'
make world, but I am ignorant when it comes to manipulating FreeBSD
"slices", labels and boot record settings.  You could just cp the root and
kernel files over but, I imagine, there is alot more involved in creating a
bootable disk.  Could someone outline the steps for me?

-Tim

P.S. - Better yet, could it be possible to just dump the 2.88M boot.flp
image to the IOpener's SanDisk and start a FreeBSD install over the parallel
port from there?  Can you use NFS as /usr during an installation by
configuring your ethernet device and using the console to mount it?




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In message <002901bf9383$a75a6020$fc8b898b@silver.net> "Tim Dysinger" writes:
: I am looking for a tutorial and/or how-tos for installing FreeBSD 4 on a 16M
: SanDisk IDE device.  With Linux you would just fdisk, mke2fs, cp the minimal
: root and kernel to the SanDisk and run lilo and Bango! done...  However, I
: don't want to put that smelly OS on my nice fresh IOpener.

I don't think there's a how-to beyond the picobsd stuff.  I've written
some scripts to help out, but I'm not going to release them for a
while.  They are too specific to my needs and not general enough.

: I can compile a custom FreeBSD kernel and cvsup my sources for a good-ol'
: make world, but I am ignorant when it comes to manipulating FreeBSD
: "slices", labels and boot record settings.  You could just cp the root and
: kernel files over but, I imagine, there is alot more involved in creating a
: bootable disk.  Could someone outline the steps for me?

You might be happy with disprep.
http://people.freebsd.org/~imp/diskprep.

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As I recall, chad wrote:
> The device driver on the development system works.  We can mount the
> DiskOnChip (as /dev/fla0s4a -- we fdisk'd and disklabel'd it).  We
> can get a kernel installed on the DiskOnChip, and get the BIOS to load
> that kernel into memory.  But we can't figure out what magic incantation
> it takes to get the kernel to know where its root filesystem is.
> 
> The "kernel" config option in the config file seems to be being
> ignored, and I can't grok the disk naming conventions in
> /boot/loader.rc for the "rootdev" variable.
> 
> So we get as far as the kernel trying to change root to wd0a and
> panicing.

I'd like to back up a step.

Am I wrong in assuming that a "root on" clause on the "kernel" line
in the config file should take care of this?

Or that some variable setting in the loader.rc file should do it
too?

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In message <200003221713.KAA20136@freeway.dcfinc.com> "Chad R. Larson" writes:
: As I recall, chad wrote:
: > The device driver on the development system works.  We can mount the
: > DiskOnChip (as /dev/fla0s4a -- we fdisk'd and disklabel'd it).  We
: > can get a kernel installed on the DiskOnChip, and get the BIOS to load
: > that kernel into memory.  But we can't figure out what magic incantation
: > it takes to get the kernel to know where its root filesystem is.
: > 
: > The "kernel" config option in the config file seems to be being
: > ignored, and I can't grok the disk naming conventions in
: > /boot/loader.rc for the "rootdev" variable.
: > 
: > So we get as far as the kernel trying to change root to wd0a and
: > panicing.
: 
: I'd like to back up a step.
: 
: Am I wrong in assuming that a "root on" clause on the "kernel" line
: in the config file should take care of this?

It might.  I had bad luck with this.

I have had good luck with labeling the DOC correctly as being a
DOC2K in the type line of the disklabel.  It is so simple I don't see
why people want to make it harder...

: Or that some variable setting in the loader.rc file should do it
: too?

Not in 3.x.

Warner


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> In message <s8d730d3.010@brisbane.qld.gov.au> David Elkin writes:
> : Im trying to find out how to install Freebsd onto A DiskONChip. I cannot
> : find any documentation at all. Could you please tell me if it is possible and
> : if so point me in the right direction.
> 
> src/sys/contrib/dev/fla/README

The README is a very comprehensive and wonderful document.  The
associated "prep.fla.sh" init script, while being very nice and useful,
is broken in an unfortunate way, because it sets the device type to
"ESDI" rather than DOC2K.  This was also suggested in Michael
Bretterklieber's posting of December 27:

(quoting Michael)

my disktab-entries:
...
doc2k4|DiskOnChip 2000 4MB Chip:\
    :dt=ESDI:ty=winchester:se#512:nt#8:ns#1:nc#986:\
    :pa#7888:oa#0:ba#0:fa#0:ta=4.2BSD:\
    :pc#7888:oc#0:bc#0:fc#0: 
...

(me again)

Setting it to ESDI is fine if we're installing a picobsd, since the
DOC2K is never mounted as the root filesystem.  If we're installing
"FreeBSD" on it as stated in David's question, we need to change the
script to label it right.  I know I'm not telling you (Warner) anything
you don't know, since you are the one that made much of this work for us
(thank you thank you thank you), but the README, the associated script,
and the messages in the mailing-list are sending the newbies down the
wrong path (including me last week).

So, the steps to boot FreeBSD from DiskOnChip in 3.4 are:

- Add support for the DOC2K in your kernel config file with:

  device    fla0  at isa?

- Build and load that kernel.

- Edit the /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/fla/prep.fla.sh script to say
  "DOC2K" instead of "ESDI", then run it to make the DiskOnChip
  mountable and useful as a potential boot device.

- Mount the flash device and construct the FreeBSD system you
  want to boot in it.

- Build a kernel to be placed into that flash filesystem's root,
  telling the kernel to boot from the flash.  Tell it this by
  creating a new kernel config that includes this line instead
  of the generic one:

  config    kernel  root on major 28 minor 65538

- Put the DOC2K device into your target system and reboot.  

If the target system is your development machine (with a hard disk), you
may wish to run the "dupdate" MSDOS program (provided by M-Systems(R))
to tell the flash device to place itself first in the boot order, else
you'll load from your hard disk as usual.

As the README explains, the firmware on the DOC2K device convinces MSDOS
that it's a normal disk drive.  This charade continues through the 3 or
so steps of the BSD load process, since everything up to the actual
kernel use BIOS calls for disk access.  This also means that, if you 
don't use dupdate to put the DOC first, you can type "1:wd(0,a)/boot/loader"
at the first opportunity during the boot load (when the _ appears), and
load from the flash by hand.

If the target system is not your development machine, and in fact your
development machine lacks a socket for the DOC2K device, you should 
build a picobsd with DOC2K support.  I recommend starting with the "net"
configuration, and adding the "fla0" device driver to the kernel config.
Boot that on your target machine and mount_nfs a directory on your
development machine that has dd, fdisk, disklabel, newfs and the image
you want to write to the flash.  You can build that image on the dev
machine, using the vn facility to make a file look like your flash
device, and then just dd that file to the flash.

Regards,

-Les

-- 
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Please,

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There's a story over on slashdot that purports to say that netpliance
has changed some things about the iopener.  First, they are now
requiring that one get service from them.  Second, they are claiming
that any modification is a violation under the terms they are selling
to you as (which is bs and unenforcible, but they are welcome to try,
the most they can do is cancel my warrantee).  Finally, the iopeners
shipped after March 20 can't be modified like has been widely
reported.  Don't know how they did this, but if it was with no-stick
parts, or if it was with special high-security bolts, these can easily
be worked around :-).

I'm still going to get mine, but only if they don't force me to buy
more than one month of internet service from them, and I'll resist
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Hi Warner,

Who is the manufacturer of the iopener ?

I wish to buy 100 units to play with around the offices.

Keith

On 23-Mar-00 Warner Losh wrote:
> 
> There's a story over on slashdot that purports to say that netpliance
> has changed some things about the iopener.  First, they are now
> requiring that one get service from them.  Second, they are claiming
> that any modification is a violation under the terms they are selling
> to you as (which is bs and unenforcible, but they are welcome to try,
> the most they can do is cancel my warrantee).  Finally, the iopeners
> shipped after March 20 can't be modified like has been widely
> reported.  Don't know how they did this, but if it was with no-stick
> parts, or if it was with special high-security bolts, these can easily
> be worked around :-).
> 
> I'm still going to get mine, but only if they don't force me to buy
> more than one month of internet service from them, and I'll resist
> that.
> 
> Warner
> 
> 
> 
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In message <XFMail.000324092921.keith@apcs.com.au> Keith writes:
: Who is the manufacturer of the iopener ?
: 
: I wish to buy 100 units to play with around the offices.

You won't be able to buy 100 units from them.  The netpliance folks
won't honor an order like that.  Their business model is that they'll
sell these $300 machiens for $100 and make the extra $200 up in isp
fees over the next year to 18 months.

Warner


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