From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 27 10:27: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2EAAC37C0F6 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:27:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from albert@achtung.com) Received: (qmail 31620 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2000 17:26:53 -0000 Received: from mercury.hosting4u.net (HELO achtung.com) (209.15.2.5) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 27 Jun 2000 17:26:53 -0000 Received: from psylocke ([63.208.241.20]) by achtung.com ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:26:48 -0500 From: "Albert Yang" To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:25:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Any new PicoBSD's based on 4.0?? Message-ID: <39588119.8763.3131F5@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, we all have to get on the ball with this, are we going to do anything with picobsd??? Any new releases slated for the 4.0 version?? I know that Luigi Rizzo put out a newer picobsd with his dummynet page, but is that is? From what I can remember, the picobsd scripts don't work with 4.0 right? Too big to fit on a floppy right? Anybody have a floppy with: natd, ipfw, dhcp, and ssh? That would be perfect... I want to get this project cranking again, and I'm a piss-poor programmer, but I will help as much as I can in my limited capacity if you guys will help as well. Albert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 27 13:28:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from otto.oss.uswest.net (otto.oss.uswest.net [204.147.85.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2EA37B72E for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:28:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pmckenna@oss.uswest.net) Received: from oss.uswest.net (otto.oss.uswest.net [204.147.85.81]) by otto.oss.uswest.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12294; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:28:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from pmckenna@oss.uswest.net) Message-ID: <39590E65.64160F82@oss.uswest.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:28:21 -0500 From: Pete Mckenna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Albert Yang Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any new PicoBSD's based on 4.0?? References: <39588119.8763.3131F5@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Albert Yang wrote: > > OK, we all have to get on the ball with this, are we going to do > anything with picobsd??? Any new releases slated for the 4.0 > version?? I know that Luigi Rizzo put out a newer picobsd with his > dummynet page, but is that is? From what I can remember, the picobsd > scripts don't work with 4.0 right? Too big to fit on a floppy right? Works for me, I'm building net and a custom floppy for building new servers. The only problems I had that I recall is that the kernel had obselete terms in it. Once those were removed life was fine. The gzipped kernel fits just fine. > > Anybody have a floppy with: > > natd, ipfw, dhcp, and ssh? That would be perfect... Sorry haven't had a need, but net has 2 or 3 of them by default. > > I want to get this project cranking again, and I'm a piss-poor > programmer, but I will help as much as I can in my limited capacity > if you guys will help as well. > > Albert > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message Pete -- Peter McKenna U S WEST !NTERPRISE pmckenna@uswest.net http://www.interprise.com/ Main 612-664-4000 FAX 612-664-4770 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 27 15: 1:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BFF337B524 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:01:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from albert@achtung.com) Received: (qmail 22988 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2000 22:01:26 -0000 Received: from mercury.hosting4u.net (HELO achtung.com) (209.15.2.5) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 27 Jun 2000 22:01:26 -0000 Received: from psylocke ([63.209.91.73]) by achtung.com ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:01:22 -0500 From: "Albert Yang" To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:59:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Any new PicoBSD's based on 4.0?? Message-ID: <3958C16F.4699.3DB0AB@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Pete, if you make new versions of pico, I don't know who is in charge of the website anymore, but I did the version you are seeing right now and would be more than happy to redo the website with nice graphics etc... But that's all warm fluff, we really need content. So if someone will provide the goods, I'll provide a new webpage for it. I know the net version has a few of the things requested, but DHCP, NATD, IPFW, and SSH is probably the most common of all the items.. I wonder if you really squeeze, if you can fit BIND on there... there's a thought!!! So who's in charge of the website now??? I'll get working on a new look and feel for it... Albert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 27 15: 5: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.dcnv.com (mail.dcnv.com [216.33.117.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53C637B50C for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:04:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aedmonds@digitalconvergence.com) Received: from digitalconvergence.com (dallas [207.158.100.67]) by mail.dcnv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA65365; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:04:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from aedmonds@digitalconvergence.com) Message-ID: <39592503.871FFF7C@digitalconvergence.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:04:51 -0500 From: Alan Edmonds X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Albert Yang Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any new PicoBSD's based on 4.0?? References: <3958C16F.4699.3DB0AB@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been playing with it. I need to send-pr in some changes for 4.0. I'll do it tomorrow. I did manage to get dhclient in there, but it wasn't easy. I have a kludge in mfs.rc to move the dhclient-script file into /sbin and chmod +x it. Ugly. I'm still learning the picobsd build process.... Cheers, -- Alan Edmonds Director of International Technology DigitalConvergence.:Com aedmonds@digitalconvergence.com Phone: +1-214-292-6040 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 27 15:10: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 472C237B50C for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:09:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from albert@achtung.com) Received: (qmail 28416 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2000 22:09:56 -0000 Received: from mercury.hosting4u.net (HELO achtung.com) (209.15.2.5) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 27 Jun 2000 22:09:56 -0000 Received: from psylocke ([63.209.91.73]) by achtung.com ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:09:54 -0500 From: "Albert Yang" To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:08:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: PicoBSD, any "formal" documentation??? Message-ID: <3958C36D.18337.45794E@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This might be a really dumb question, but aside from the short FAQ- esque documentation, is there any formal documentation as far as the tools in every flavor, and how to use them? If not, that's something I can work on as well, having a fully documented item should do wonders.... We can start with the 4.0 systems... So if anybody out there is making disks images, give me the scripts you used, and I can extract from it what tools are on it, and document them. Probably even pull the relevent man pages and FAQ's from the FreeBSD website into the PicoBSD webpage... Albert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 27 18:42: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dreamwvr.com (24.66.207.153.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.207.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831C537C487 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:41:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com) Received: from tyr.dreamwvr.com (unknown [192.168.26.101]) by dreamwvr.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A89713486; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:41:54 -0600 (MDT) From: dreamwvr To: "Albert Yang" , freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any new PicoBSD's based on 4.0?? Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:02:59 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <39588119.8763.3131F5@localhost> In-Reply-To: <39588119.8763.3131F5@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0006272004530R.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, i am very comfortable with Linux, and OBSD but not pico but if there is a hand needed i am game as well it needs to be done.. any docs on step by step building from scratch the floppy version of bsd? Best Regards, dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Albert Yang wrote: > OK, we all have to get on the ball with this, are we going to do > anything with picobsd??? Any new releases slated for the 4.0 > version?? I know that Luigi Rizzo put out a newer picobsd with his > dummynet page, but is that is? From what I can remember, the picobsd > scripts don't work with 4.0 right? Too big to fit on a floppy right? > > Anybody have a floppy with: > > natd, ipfw, dhcp, and ssh? That would be perfect... > > I want to get this project cranking again, and I'm a piss-poor > programmer, but I will help as much as I can in my limited capacity > if you guys will help as well. > > Albert > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message -- Reuters, London, February 29, 1998: Scientists have announced discovering a meteorite which will strike the earth in March, 2028. Millions of UNIX coders expressed relief for being spared the UNIX epoch "crisis" of 2038. _______________________________________________________________________ ************** DREAMWVR.COM - TOTAL INTERNET SERVICES **************** TOTAL DESIGN - DEVELOPMENT - INTEGRATION - SECURITY - Click Here.. ; DREAMWVR.COM - The Console of Many... 90 Topics Covered ; ; ->> LINUX-MANDRAKE Solution Provider and North American Distributor<<- PRODUCT OF THE YEAR! ; "===0 PGP Key Available *************** "As Unique as the Company You Keep."***************** "If anyone speaks from DREAMWVR.COM its certainly not me:-)" ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 27 22:17:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1315837BFD8 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:17:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5S5H8M21922; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:17:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Albert Yang Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any new PicoBSD's based on 4.0?? In-Reply-To: <39588119.8763.3131F5@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Albert Yang wrote: > OK, we all have to get on the ball with this, are we going to do > anything with picobsd??? Any new releases slated for the 4.0 > version?? I know that Luigi Rizzo put out a newer picobsd with his > dummynet page, but is that is? From what I can remember, the picobsd > scripts don't work with 4.0 right? Too big to fit on a floppy right? That was the problem I kept running into. I tried to hack them up to get working on 4.0 but had no success. 4.0 has massive kernel bloat. :( If you've convinced the floppies to build without loosing too much functionality, please send-pr your changes and refer them to me. I'll test them out and commit them if they look OK. > natd, ipfw, dhcp, and ssh? That would be perfect... ssh is gigantic. Good luck. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 28 1:23:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED38C37B5A9 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:23:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA39572; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:24:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200006280824.KAA39572@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Any new PicoBSD's based on 4.0?? In-Reply-To: from Doug White at "Jun 27, 2000 10:17:08 pm" To: Doug White Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:24:39 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Albert Yang , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > That was the problem I kept running into. I tried to hack them up to get > working on 4.0 but had no success. 4.0 has massive kernel bloat. :( exactly - this is one (not the only) reason i still stick with 3.5 on most of my systems. > > natd, ipfw, dhcp, and ssh? That would be perfect... > > ssh is gigantic. Good luck. i managed to put ssh/sshd/scp and all the above on a 3.5-based picobsd floppy. The thing is, ssh/sshd/scp (both the one in ports and the openbsd version) are not crunchgen-friendly. They have a lot of common objects which are not in a library, and reference symbols with the same name and different implementations in the other files. Plus if you put them in a library there are clashes with names in other libraries... cheers luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) Mobile +39-347-0373137 -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 28 3:10:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ns.oneway.net (NS.ONEWAY.NET [203.75.146.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81CAB37B5A4 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:10:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from serge@oneway.net) Received: (qmail 61804 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2000 10:10:06 -0000 Received: from times.oneway.net (HELO cd.oneway.net) (203.75.146.3) by ns.oneway.net with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 10:10:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 17859 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2000 10:10:14 -0000 Received: from dhcp03.oneway.net (HELO serge) (192.168.0.12) by f1.oneway.net with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 10:10:14 -0000 From: "HSIAO Hsueh-cheng" To: Subject: RE: Any new PicoBSD's based on 4.0?? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:10:07 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Rating: ns.oneway.net 1.6.2 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have made a PicoBSD on 4.0 Rel, and it worked for both of my machine. After upgrading to 4.0-Stable, I use the same kernel configuration and made another PicoBSD, it worked on my Celeron 450(overclock), but did not work on another machine(Pentium 166). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 28 4:49:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from green.wl.vg (green.wl.vg [204.200.26.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56BAF37B519 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:49:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from patrick@whetstonelogic.com) Received: from whetstonelogic.com (patrick [63.93.208.19]) by green.wl.vg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA08103; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:49:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from patrick@whetstonelogic.com) Message-ID: <3959E62A.EEE7E584@whetstonelogic.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:48:58 -0400 From: Patrick Gardella Organization: Whetstone Logic, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Albert Yang Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any new PicoBSD's based on 4.0?? References: <3958C16F.4699.3DB0AB@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Albert Yang wrote: > So who's in charge of the website now??? I'll get working on a new > look and feel for it... I have been working on a new layout/look&feel for the website for a while now. I'm going through a job change, so I'll be finishing it up this coming weekend/week, but as always, I won't turn down any help on it :) Patrick ---------- Patrick Gardella patrick@whetstonelogic.com Chief Technology Officer patrick@freebsd.org Whetstone Logic, Inc. The Power to Serve. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 28 6:37:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DBF2B37B723 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 06:37:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from albert@achtung.com) Received: (qmail 32421 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2000 13:37:18 -0000 Received: from mercury.hosting4u.net (HELO achtung.com) (209.15.2.5) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 13:37:18 -0000 Received: from psylocke ([63.209.85.67]) by achtung.com ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:37:16 -0500 From: "Albert Yang" To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 06:35:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Any new PicoBSD's based on 4.0?? Message-ID: <39599CCA.2335.16172B@localhost> In-reply-to: <3959E62A.EEE7E584@whetstonelogic.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Patrick, If you need help, email me! I'm not a graphics artist by any stretch of the imagination, but the first time around, I thought a magnifying glass worked great as a PicoBSD logo... So if you want to keep him, then by all means do so. If not, then do with it as you wish. Also, if you would like new logos, let me know and I'll draw them up for you. We are up to version .445 right? So let's update this! Did we want to do as FreeBSD did, and maintain a 3.4-STABLE 4.0-CURRENT or even a 3.5-STABLE 3.5-CURRENT along with it? Albert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 28 7:14:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dreamwvr.com (24.66.207.153.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.207.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0708F37B8F5 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:14:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com) Received: from tyr.dreamwvr.com (unknown [192.168.26.101]) by dreamwvr.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A7ECF3483; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:14:13 -0600 (MDT) From: dreamwvr To: Doug White , Albert Yang Subject: Re: Any new PicoBSD's based on 4.0?? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:35:09 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0006280838320U.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, ok first thing.. Did you use a standard size floppy? if so there no way in h??? that there will be enough room. if so i have a plan .. maybe.. On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Doug White wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jun 2000, Albert Yang wrote: > > > OK, we all have to get on the ball with this, are we going to do > > anything with picobsd??? Any new releases slated for the 4.0 > > version?? I know that Luigi Rizzo put out a newer picobsd with his > > dummynet page, but is that is? From what I can remember, the picobsd > > scripts don't work with 4.0 right? Too big to fit on a floppy right? > > That was the problem I kept running into. I tried to hack them up to get > working on 4.0 but had no success. 4.0 has massive kernel bloat. :( > > If you've convinced the floppies to build without loosing too much > functionality, please send-pr your changes and refer them to me. I'll > test them out and commit them if they look OK. > > > natd, ipfw, dhcp, and ssh? That would be perfect... > > ssh is gigantic. Good luck. > > Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve > dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message -- Reuters, London, February 29, 1998: Scientists have announced discovering a meteorite which will strike the earth in March, 2028. Millions of UNIX coders expressed relief for being spared the UNIX epoch "crisis" of 2038. _______________________________________________________________________ ************** DREAMWVR.COM - TOTAL INTERNET SERVICES **************** TOTAL DESIGN - DEVELOPMENT - INTEGRATION - SECURITY - Click Here.. ; DREAMWVR.COM - The Console of Many... 90 Topics Covered ; ; ->> LINUX-MANDRAKE Solution Provider and North American Distributor<<- PRODUCT OF THE YEAR! ; "===0 PGP Key Available *************** "As Unique as the Company You Keep."***************** "If anyone speaks from DREAMWVR.COM its certainly not me:-)" ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 28 14:53:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from sack.ees.com (sack.ees.com [199.2.205.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D5937C19B for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:53:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from myke@ees.com) Received: from localhost (myke@localhost) by sack.ees.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA00509 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:51:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from myke@ees.com) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:51:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Holling To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: oversized floppies for picobsd? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anyone tried using "oversized" 1.722M floppy formats? There's a single-disk linux that does this: http://www.toms.net/rb/ It seemed to work fine on the several machines I tried, getting 20% more space on the floppy might be worth checking out... - Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 28 15:45:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7912537B73C for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:45:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shansen@earthlink.net) Received: from p2 ([24.9.137.53]) by mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000628224506.UJYL20009.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@p2> for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:45:06 -0700 From: "Skip Hansen" To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:46:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: oversized floppies for picobsd? Reply-To: shansen@earthlink.net Message-ID: <395A1DCC.6061.1F9EEE5@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Arg ! Funky disk formats is one of the many reasons I run PicoBSD instead of the Linux router project/fireplug stuff. The Linux high capacity floppy format used by the fireplug project assumed they can get away with 83 cylinders on a floppy. My floppy drive didn't like that and neither the new drive I bought before I figured out what they were doing. The format program didn't even attempt to verify that the head actually moved when stepping from cylinder 82 to 83 ! Floppies are unreliable enough when used as designed. I would rather have something that never works that something flaky. > Has anyone tried using "oversized" 1.722M floppy formats? There's a > single-disk linux that does this: > > http://www.toms.net/rb/ > > It seemed to work fine on the several machines I tried, getting 20% more > space on the floppy might be worth checking out... > > - Mike > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 28 15:59:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from smp.kyx.net (cr95838-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.134.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEADB37BEC7 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:59:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dr@smp.kyx.net) Received: by smp.kyx.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 4B4A63A267; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:58:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Dragos Ruiu Organization: kyx.net To: shansen@earthlink.net, "Skip Hansen" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oversized floppies for picobsd? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:56:25 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <395A1DCC.6061.1F9EEE5@localhost> In-Reply-To: <395A1DCC.6061.1F9EEE5@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0006281558390D.08731@smp.kyx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I dunno... I've had good luck with tomsrtbt over the last couple of years.... I haven't found a single floppy that couldn't read this. BTW.... I think a good image format is a 2.88 master image for a bootable CD! cheers, --dr On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Skip Hansen wrote: > Arg ! Funky disk formats is one of the many reasons I run PicoBSD instead > of the Linux router project/fireplug stuff. The Linux high capacity floppy > format used by the fireplug project assumed they can get away with 83 > cylinders on a floppy. My floppy drive didn't like that and neither the new > drive I bought before I figured out what they were doing. The format program > didn't even attempt to verify that the head actually moved when stepping from > cylinder 82 to 83 ! > > Floppies are unreliable enough when used as designed. I would rather have > something that never works that something flaky. > > > Has anyone tried using "oversized" 1.722M floppy formats? There's a > > single-disk linux that does this: > > > > http://www.toms.net/rb/ > -- dursec.com ltd. / kyx.net - we're from the future http://www.dursec.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 28 16:22:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dreamwvr.com (24.66.207.153.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.207.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0189437C234 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:22:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com) Received: from tyr.dreamwvr.com (unknown [192.168.26.101]) by dreamwvr.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 44EA53483; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:22:42 -0600 (MDT) From: dreamwvr To: shansen@earthlink.net, "Skip Hansen" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oversized floppies for picobsd? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:43:21 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <395A1DCC.6061.1F9EEE5@localhost> In-Reply-To: <395A1DCC.6061.1F9EEE5@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00062817470415.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, yes you are right that oversize floppies do burn out faster but they do work for some time and well use superformat or the mformat of format or whatever command then to format the way you want. Then use syslinux or equivalent to boot the floppy and use picobsd as the system. That is the way i would have liked to have done it. Then again i tried after getting used to LRP. Where as well am offering suggestions here that may or may not work but are worth the try IMHO. Best Regards, fred On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Skip Hansen wrote: > Arg ! Funky disk formats is one of the many reasons I run PicoBSD instead > of the Linux router project/fireplug stuff. The Linux high capacity floppy > format used by the fireplug project assumed they can get away with 83 > cylinders on a floppy. My floppy drive didn't like that and neither the new > drive I bought before I figured out what they were doing. The format program > didn't even attempt to verify that the head actually moved when stepping from > cylinder 82 to 83 ! > > Floppies are unreliable enough when used as designed. I would rather have > something that never works that something flaky. > > > Has anyone tried using "oversized" 1.722M floppy formats? There's a > > single-disk linux that does this: > > > > http://www.toms.net/rb/ > > > > It seemed to work fine on the several machines I tried, getting 20% more > > space on the floppy might be worth checking out... > > > > - Mike > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message -- Reuters, London, February 29, 1998: Scientists have announced discovering a meteorite which will strike the earth in March, 2028. Millions of UNIX coders expressed relief for being spared the UNIX epoch "crisis" of 2038. _______________________________________________________________________ ************** DREAMWVR.COM - TOTAL INTERNET SERVICES **************** TOTAL DESIGN - DEVELOPMENT - INTEGRATION - SECURITY - Click Here.. ; DREAMWVR.COM - The Console of Many... 90 Topics Covered ; ; ->> LINUX-MANDRAKE Solution Provider and North American Distributor<<- PRODUCT OF THE YEAR! ; "===0 PGP Key Available *************** "As Unique as the Company You Keep."***************** "If anyone speaks from DREAMWVR.COM its certainly not me:-)" ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 28 16:35:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dreamwvr.com (24.66.207.153.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.207.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC7637B56A for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:35:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com) Received: from tyr.dreamwvr.com (unknown [192.168.26.101]) by dreamwvr.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E92103483; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:35:33 -0600 (MDT) From: dreamwvr To: Dragos Ruiu , shansen@earthlink.net, "Skip Hansen" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oversized floppies for picobsd? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:54:43 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <395A1DCC.6061.1F9EEE5@localhost> <0006281558390D.08731@smp.kyx.net> In-Reply-To: <0006281558390D.08731@smp.kyx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00062817595617.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, heard good things about it! have not tried that but have had good luck with LRP since it came out.. When i tried pico i have had much less good luck but am convinced it could be good;-)) Enough that i would like to get involved that is for sure. Well lets just forget the Linux vs BSD vs DOS lets just out do ourselves;-)) Best Regards, dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Dragos Ruiu wrote: > I dunno... I've had good luck with tomsrtbt over the last couple of years.... > I haven't found a single floppy that couldn't read this. > > BTW.... I think a good image format is a 2.88 master image for a bootable CD! > > cheers, > --dr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 28 17:32: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F61037B603 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:31:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shansen@earthlink.net) Received: from p2 ([24.9.137.53]) by mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000629003158.WUPS20009.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@p2> for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:31:58 -0700 From: "Skip Hansen" To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:33:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: oversized floppies for picobsd? Reply-To: shansen@earthlink.net Message-ID: <395A36D8.1083.25BC7A5@localhost> References: <395A1DCC.6061.1F9EEE5@localhost> In-reply-to: <00062817470415.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi, > yes you are right that oversize floppies do burn out faster but they do work > for some time and well use superformat or the mformat of format or whatever > command then to format the way you want. Then use syslinux or equivalent to > boot the floppy and use picobsd as the system. That is the way i would have > liked to have done it. Then again i tried after getting used to LRP. Where as > well am offering suggestions here that may or may not work but are worth the > try IMHO. > Best Regards, > fred It's not that they burned out faster, at least for me they never worked in the first place. I'm not sure how many extra capacity formats are running around, but the format that bite me tried to use 83 cylinders on a drive designed for 80 cylinders. The head on my drive simply hit the stop mechanically and stopped moving after cylinder 82. I wasted a Saturday trying to get fireplug to boot. I eventually succeeded by recompiling the kernel without the floating point emulator which reduced the size just enough to avoid cylinder 83. I'm sure it's true that "most" drives support the format, but with my luck 100% of the two drives (one brand new) I tried didn't. All of my experience with PicoBSD has been with the version that came with FreeBSD 3.2, in those days it fit easily. I couldn't agree more with building a boot disk on a CDrom ... that's the ticket. Skip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 28 18:46:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dreamwvr.com (24.66.207.153.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.207.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BFED37C2E1 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:46:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com) Received: from tyr.dreamwvr.com (unknown [192.168.26.101]) by dreamwvr.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AF7A43483; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:46:29 -0600 (MDT) From: dreamwvr To: shansen@earthlink.net, "Skip Hansen" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oversized floppies for picobsd? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:03:21 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <395A1DCC.6061.1F9EEE5@localhost> <395A36D8.1083.25BC7A5@localhost> In-Reply-To: <395A36D8.1083.25BC7A5@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0006282010521C.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I wasted a Saturday trying to get fireplug to boot. I eventually succeeded by > recompiling the kernel without the floating point emulator which reduced the > size just enough to avoid cylinder 83. use LRP if doing Linux its far better;-)) better docs as well.. speaking of docs;-)) > I'm sure it's true that "most" drives support the format, but with my luck > 100% of the two drives (one brand new) I tried didn't. i can relate i do recall doing a lot of swearing before getting the picture and lots of smoking floppies IYKWIM;-)) > All of my experience with PicoBSD has been with the version that came with > FreeBSD 3.2, in those days it fit easily. > I couldn't agree more with building a boot disk on a CDrom ... that's the > ticket. 3 ways really seem practical and yet fit the minimalistic approach. 1 - RW CDROM which i might buy just to be part of this.. 2 - Zip drive 3 - LS120 Oh yeah and superformatted floppies ;-)) Well lets do it! i always wanted to get this working properly and well got it working ok but since i did not get the answers to stick around i bailed. we need good install docs that answer the basic install step by step including creating the disk ..etc . good idea is to learn to modulate it IMHO. Best Regards, dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com > Skip > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message -- Reuters, London, February 29, 1998: Scientists have announced discovering a meteorite which will strike the earth in March, 2028. Millions of UNIX coders expressed relief for being spared the UNIX epoch "crisis" of 2038. _______________________________________________________________________ ************** DREAMWVR.COM - TOTAL INTERNET SERVICES **************** TOTAL DESIGN - DEVELOPMENT - INTEGRATION - SECURITY - Click Here.. ; DREAMWVR.COM - The Console of Many... 90 Topics Covered ; ; ->> LINUX-MANDRAKE Solution Provider and North American Distributor<<- PRODUCT OF THE YEAR! ; "===0 PGP Key Available *************** "As Unique as the Company You Keep."***************** "If anyone speaks from DREAMWVR.COM its certainly not me:-)" ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 28 18:49:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BA537BA83 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:49:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA82811; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:49:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA60591; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:49:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200006290149.TAA60591@harmony.village.org> To: dreamwvr Subject: Re: oversized floppies for picobsd? Cc: shansen@earthlink.net, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:03:21 MDT." <0006282010521C.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> References: <0006282010521C.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> <395A1DCC.6061.1F9EEE5@localhost> <395A36D8.1083.25BC7A5@localhost> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:49:29 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <0006282010521C.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> dreamwvr writes: : 3 ways really seem practical and yet fit the minimalistic approach. : 1 - RW CDROM which i might buy just to be part of this.. : 2 - Zip drive : 3 - LS120 : Oh yeah and superformatted floppies ;-)) You forgot CF cards in a IDE <-> CF adapter. We use them all the time at work. We have about 18MB of FreeBSD uncompressed that we use as the base system. This would be more like 12MB if we ran all the binaries shared. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 28 19:28:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dreamwvr.com (24.66.207.153.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.207.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012FB37C392 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:28:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com) Received: from tyr.dreamwvr.com (unknown [192.168.26.101]) by dreamwvr.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C28E3483; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:28:29 -0600 (MDT) From: dreamwvr To: Warner Losh Subject: Re: oversized floppies for picobsd? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:51:42 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: shansen@earthlink.net, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG References: <0006282010521C.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> <395A36D8.1083.25BC7A5@localhost> <200006290149.TAA60591@harmony.village.org> In-Reply-To: <200006290149.TAA60591@harmony.village.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0006282052521D.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, yoru right actually disk on chip would be the prefered method IMHO for if you could and wanted to;-)) Best Regards, dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com > You forgot CF cards in a IDE <-> CF adapter. We use them all the time > at work. We have about 18MB of FreeBSD uncompressed that we use as > the base system. This would be more like 12MB if we ran all the > binaries shared. > > Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 28 19:48:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1647E37B8B9 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:48:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA83029; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:48:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA60922; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:48:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200006290248.UAA60922@harmony.village.org> To: dreamwvr Subject: Re: oversized floppies for picobsd? Cc: shansen@earthlink.net, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:51:42 MDT." <0006282052521D.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> References: <0006282052521D.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> <0006282010521C.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> <395A36D8.1083.25BC7A5@localhost> <200006290149.TAA60591@harmony.village.org> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:48:42 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <0006282052521D.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> dreamwvr writes: : yoru right actually disk on chip would be the prefered method IMHO for : if you could and wanted to;-)) We've had supply and reliabilty problems with DOC. They are also more than CF + adapter in the sizes that we're interested in. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 4:20:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hot.ee (hot.ee [194.126.101.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC58F37BB8E for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@stv.ee) Received: from www.stv.ee (www.stv.ee [195.50.193.34]) by hot.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15312 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:13:37 +0200 Received: from stv.ee (tasko.local.stv.ee [192.168.196.137]) by www.stv.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29314 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:22:02 GMT Message-ID: <395B2233.99CE2474@stv.ee> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:17:23 +0300 From: Dmitry Baranov X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Snmpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Does anybody have sources for old UCD-snmpd included in "net" version on http://people.FreeBSD.org/~picobsd/picobsd.html ? I tried to fit new snmp daemon (ver 4.1.2) into 3.5 stable picobsd with no success :(. WBR -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Dmitry Baranov Phone: +(372) 6 352 002 STV Internet Fax: +(372) 6 380 355 Koorti 18 Mobile: +(372) 5 012 825 Tallinn, Estonia ------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 8:39:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.craxx.nl (mail.craxx.nl [195.85.153.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9BA37BBFE for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:39:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd.small@lists.craxx.nl) Received: from cartman (segfault.craxx.nl [195.85.153.236]) by mail.craxx.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id D1DFC1E80E for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:39:12 +0200 (CEST) From: "laurens van alphen (craxx)" To: Subject: Using a CD for firewalls Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:39:12 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [This is a resend, my message also went to -stable, unintendedly] Hello, We're using PicoBSD on floppy disks (1.44MB) for our current firewall config. As our version is highly customized, I dont like the complex build proces and the uneasy way to keep track of changes in the PicoBSD base system (the build proces for example). However, as space is limited, so are the possibilities. You can't have all ipfilter tools, openssh (client & server), snmpd, dchrelay and a bloated kernel on a single disk. Also, floppy disks tend to go bad once in a while and are painfully slow. We're currently looking into using CD's as a replacement. The are cheap to replace and easy to build (keep an image on a bsd toaster). Also the firewall itself will be standards-based (unlike LS120 or Flashdisk) and can be swapped in and out with standard hardware, when shit hits the fan; the firewall could be any desktop machine with a cdrom and 3 or more NICs. I'm looking for pointers on how to best approach this. So far it's easy to make a 2.88MB disk image that holds a kernel & boot loader but then; - I'd prefer to use the floppy emulation for bootloading only and mount the rest of the CD (up to about 650MB) as root that holds the kernel, init, rc and basically the rest of the OS. - Where does cdboot (/usr/src/sys/i386/boot/cdboot) come in handy? What does it do and when better avoid it? Any help, hints, pointers are welcome. Is anyone working on the same? We might as well share experience. Of course I'll be willing to contribute whatever i come up with back to the FreeBSD project. Other things to keep in mind about this CD thing: - You can't edit a single file. Maybe /etc should move off to MD so we can at edit online. How would mounting another CD work when the CD is our root fs? - Could be better to keep / to the 2.88MB floppy and mount /bin /var /usr and /etc from the CD so it can be unmounted at runtime. Does CD support different labels (sessions?) on a single CD so I could say: mount /dev/acd0? /usr mount /dev/acd0? /etc - Could / be double mounted? Once from the 2.88MB floppy emulation, once from the CD itself? You can then unmount the CD and remount another CD. How would that work? Thanks in advance, -- laurens van alphen, craxx alphen@craxx.nl, http://www.craxx.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 11:19:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeby.mesanet.com (pm3-3-30.dynamic.idiom.com [216.240.35.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C2B637B877 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:19:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcw@mesanet.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freeby.mesanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA07324 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:18:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Peter C. Wallace" To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oversized floppies for picobsd? In-Reply-To: <200006290248.UAA60922@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <0006282052521D.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> dreamwvr writes: > : yoru right actually disk on chip would be the prefered method IMHO for > : if you could and wanted to;-)) > > We've had supply and reliabilty problems with DOC. They are also more > than CF + adapter in the sizes that we're interested in. > > Warner > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > I agree, we use 'embedded' CF (a CF controller chip and memory on the on CPU card itself) on some of our CPUs. Since they look like just an IDE drive, no special drivers are needed. Also CF is a mass market item so there is lots of competition keeping the price low. Also, good CF using NAND flash and ECC can support millions of writes, probably better than the media life of a floppy... Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 11:34:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA5737C060 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA86886; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:33:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA35186; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:33:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200006291833.MAA35186@harmony.village.org> To: "Peter C. Wallace" Subject: Re: oversized floppies for picobsd? Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:18:51 PDT." References: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:33:07 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message "Peter C. Wallace" writes: : I agree, we use 'embedded' CF (a CF controller chip and memory on : the on CPU card itself) on some of our CPUs. Since they look like just an : IDE drive, no special drivers are needed. Also CF is a mass market item so : there is lots of competition keeping the price low. Also, good CF using : NAND flash and ECC can support millions of writes, probably better than : the media life of a floppy... We've yet to wear out a CF (CompactFlash) memory card. We've broken two or three DOC2k chips, but I think that was the bad lot of them they got a while back rather than really wearing them out. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 13:15:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dreamwvr.com (24.66.207.153.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.207.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C70337C0D4 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:15:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com) Received: from tyr.dreamwvr.com (unknown [192.168.26.101]) by dreamwvr.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B1AC33483; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:15:23 -0600 (MDT) From: dreamwvr To: Warner Losh , "Peter C. Wallace" Subject: Re: oversized floppies for picobsd? Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:38:48 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200006291833.MAA35186@harmony.village.org> In-Reply-To: <200006291833.MAA35186@harmony.village.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00062914395322.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, What CF hw manufacturers work seemlessly with BSD, and Linux and ideas? TIA dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com > In message "Peter C. Wallace" writes: > : I agree, we use 'embedded' CF (a CF controller chip and memory on > : the on CPU card itself) on some of our CPUs. Since they look like just an > : IDE drive, no special drivers are needed. Also CF is a mass market item so > : there is lots of competition keeping the price low. Also, good CF using > : NAND flash and ECC can support millions of writes, probably better than > : the media life of a floppy... > > We've yet to wear out a CF (CompactFlash) memory card. We've broken > two or three DOC2k chips, but I think that was the bad lot of them > they got a while back rather than really wearing them out. > > Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 13:21:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DCC37C1AA for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:21:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA87443; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:21:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA36078; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:21:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200006292021.OAA36078@harmony.village.org> To: dreamwvr Subject: Re: oversized floppies for picobsd? Cc: "Peter C. Wallace" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:38:48 MDT." <00062914395322.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> References: <00062914395322.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> <200006291833.MAA35186@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:21:16 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <00062914395322.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> dreamwvr writes: : What CF hw manufacturers work seemlessly with BSD, and Linux and ideas? I've yet to encounter one that doesn't work with FreeBSD and MSDOS. I've used Viking, San Disk, Simple Technology and TDK. I have the most experience with San Disk. I've used their parts in the 10MB, 32MB, 48MB, 64MB and 96MB flavors. I've used Viking next most with the 16MB, 32M and 45MB sizes. I've used 4MB, 8MB and 64MB Simple parts. I think that the TDK part I used was 30MB, but I might be misremembering that. All have worked great with the TAPR adapater (http://www.tapr.org/) as well as the three different adapters that we've built at Timing Solutions for our embedded needs. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 14:16:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeby.mesanet.com (pm3-3-28.dynamic.idiom.com [216.240.35.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1B737B5A9 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:16:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcw@mesanet.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freeby.mesanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA07641 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:15:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Peter C. Wallace" To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oversized floppies for picobsd? In-Reply-To: <00062914395322.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, dreamwvr wrote: > Hi, > What CF hw manufacturers work seemlessly with BSD, and Linux and ideas? > TIA > dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com Since in the IDE mode they have to look like a hard drive, I would think they all should work. I have used SanDisk and Simple Technologies and had no troubles, neither have I had trouble with our on card flash using a TEL (well now Toshiba) controller chip. > > In message "Peter C. Wallace" writes: > > : I agree, we use 'embedded' CF (a CF controller chip and memory on > > : the on CPU card itself) on some of our CPUs. Since they look like just an > > : IDE drive, no special drivers are needed. Also CF is a mass market item so > > : there is lots of competition keeping the price low. Also, good CF using > > : NAND flash and ECC can support millions of writes, probably better than > > : the media life of a floppy... > > > > We've yet to wear out a CF (CompactFlash) memory card. We've broken > > two or three DOC2k chips, but I think that was the bad lot of them > > they got a while back rather than really wearing them out. > > > > Warner > Paraphrasing an example from a TEL controller (for NAND flash) book: MTBF(hours)= (#blocks*reprogramming cycles*reprogramable area rate)/(Number of sector writes per hour) for example when writing at an average of 32k bytes every five minutes into a 4M flash disk with about 30% free, the MTBF is (512*1e6*.3)/(64*12) = 200,000 hours. This can be improved by leaving more free space on the drive. So at moderate write rates, or all the manual updates you would care to do, there is not much danger of wearing out a CF disk... Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 15:40:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB7537C216 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:40:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04424; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:39:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200006292239.PAA04424@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Snmpd In-Reply-To: <395B2233.99CE2474@stv.ee> from Dmitry Baranov at "Jun 29, 0 01:17:23 pm" To: dima@stv.ee (Dmitry Baranov) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:39:59 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Dmitry Baranov wrote: [Charset koi8-r unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > Hello, > Does anybody have sources for old UCD-snmpd included > in "net" version on > http://people.FreeBSD.org/~picobsd/picobsd.html ? > I tried to fit new snmp daemon (ver 4.1.2) > into 3.5 stable picobsd with no success :(. I have the distfile for 3.5.3, if that's any help. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 17:24:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from po4.glue.umd.edu (po4.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F5337C26E for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:24:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bfoz@glue.umd.edu) Received: from glue.umd.edu (poseidon.student.umd.edu [129.2.228.43]) by po4.glue.umd.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5U0OHd18695 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <395BE8B2.176EE0F3@glue.umd.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:24:18 -0400 From: Brandon Fosdick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: OT: Embedded system suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm an embedded newbie and I don't know what to buy or where to look. Can you guys help me out? Basically I started a great big project to try and wire my house that I'm building. Here's what I have to hook up: ~120 digital inputs (SPST Wall switches, security contacts, etc...) ~76 12V coil mechanical relays (for switching lights, etc...) All of the relays are wired back to a central control closet. The switch wiring is routed back to three separate places in the house (2 upstairs, 1 downstairs), but I could route those back to the control room as well. I was thinking about 3, 48 line digital input boards (don't know where to get those) and maybe some digital output boards that can drive relays. Where do I find this stuff? Does it even exist? What kind of processors do I use? What kind of power supply do these systems need? I found a 216 line DIO board at www.icsadvent.com but it can't drive inductive loads (i.e.. the relays). If all else fails I'll use this board and just make a separate board with diodes and resistors for the relays. Thanks alot, Brandon -- bfoz@glue.umd.edu "Lead, follow, or get run over" "In life there are those who steer, and those who push" "I'm not impatient, the world is too slow" "Life is short, so have fun, play hard, and leave a good looking corpse" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 18:23: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC95A37B5C4 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:23:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@imach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06081; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:23:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:23:51 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Brandon Fosdick Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OT: Embedded system suggestions In-Reply-To: <395BE8B2.176EE0F3@glue.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Brandon Fosdick wrote: > I was thinking about 3, 48 line digital input boards (don't know where to get > those) and maybe some digital output boards that can drive relays. Where do I > find this stuff? Does it even exist? What kind of processors do I use? What kind > of power supply do these systems need? If you're really clued, you can build these yourself. I personally would probably do something with some PIC processors on a serial port or alternatively something slightly less complicated (programming-wise) parallel port or ISA based. (Or if you'd like someone to build it for you or need more details send me e-mail off-list) Regardless, this exists commercially and is generally rather expensive. I would be looking in the latest issue of Nuts and Volts and/or Processor if I was to buy. Just Curious, is there a reason you are going the relay route as opposed to the X10 route? > I found a 216 line DIO board at www.icsadvent.com but it can't drive inductive > loads (i.e.. the relays). If all else fails I'll use this board and just make a > separate board with diodes and resistors for the relays. Inductive load = motor, Inductive load != relay. You will want to put a diode across the coil of the relay to nail any spikes. 1N914's seem to work although seem a little light at times, 1n400x's are probably better to handle the spike but are slower. If given the choice, I'd probably use the 914's (available and any radio shack). - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 18:25:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72EA037B80F for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:25:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@imach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06103 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:26:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:26:34 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Schematic for CF adapter. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Since CF seems to be on topic right now... Does someone have a schematic for what those CF adapters really do? Most that I've seen appear to have some "active" components (meaning in this context something other than a trace on a circuit board and sockets) Or a source for *REALLY* cheap adapters? (I'd also be interested in sources for cheap CF cards). - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 19:11:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from cr555709-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com (cr555709-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com [24.42.236.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2826237B511 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:11:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from guy@trigger.net) Received: from localhost (guy@localhost) by cr555709-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05995 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:11:24 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: cr555709-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com: guy owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:11:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Cartier X-Sender: guy@cr555709-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com Reply-To: guy@trigger.net To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: PicoBSD Question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I have been pulling my hair out trying to figure out how to compille a working PicoBSD floppy image. All attempts fail on boot when it cannot find init. Exact message is init: not found panic: no init Then it does an automatic reboot. I have searched all over the PicoBSD site (boy is it out of date), but have been unable to find anything that gives me a clue as to the cause of this. I have tried various version of BSD (3.4,3.4-stable,3.5,4.0 and 4.0-current) without success. Since most of them all fail at this point, it must be somthing simple. (the 4.0+ versions fail on the crunch) I would have thought that the default PicoBSD configurations would have compiled out of the box with no changes. TIA, Dennis P.S When did the 'sort by date' disappear from the mail list archive search on FreeBSD.org? Without it you have to wade through gazillions of hits even if your problem is recent. -- It's not reality that's important, but how you perceive things. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 19:54: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0606B37B712 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:54:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05284; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:53:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200006300253.TAA05284@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Schematic for CF adapter. In-Reply-To: from "Forrest W. Christian" at "Jun 29, 0 06:26:34 pm" To: forrestc@imach.com (Forrest W. Christian) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:53:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Forrest W. Christian wrote: > Does someone have a schematic for what those CF adapters really do? > Most that I've seen appear to have some "active" components (meaning > in this context something other than a trace on a circuit board and > sockets) As far as I know, they have no active components (at least, the CF to PCMCIA adapters I looked at). They just re-arrange the pinouts from the CF card to the PCMCIA connecter. My understanding is that the CF card is an IDE, electrically. > Or a source for *REALLY* cheap adapters? Last one I bought was around $9 at (I believe) Staples or Office Max. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 21: 1:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678C237B5D6 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:01:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5U416A43861; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:01:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: dreamwvr Cc: Albert Yang , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any new PicoBSD's based on 4.0?? In-Reply-To: <0006280838320U.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, dreamwvr wrote: > Hi, > ok first thing.. Did you use a standard size floppy? if so there no way > in h??? that there will be enough room. if so i have a plan .. maybe.. You can't depend on being able to boot anything else. If I could depend on everyone having LS120 disks I'd make 100MB images. :-) Greg Lehey has a two-disk build system that I'm still trying to piece together for -CURRENT. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 21: 3: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0525B37BA33 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:03:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5U42wD53191; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:02:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: Albert Yang , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any new PicoBSD's based on 4.0?? In-Reply-To: <200006280824.KAA39572@info.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > That was the problem I kept running into. I tried to hack them up to get > > working on 4.0 but had no success. 4.0 has massive kernel bloat. :( > > exactly - this is one (not the only) reason i still stick with 3.5 > on most of my systems. Until hardware shows up that 3.X doesn't support :( I'm using PXE installs now so unfortunately I have less impetus to keep up the PicoBSD install floppy, but I'm putting in what time I have. If someone had some success pruning files or whatnot and can generate patches against the -STABLE code it'd help me tons. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 21: 4:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1667A37C2EF for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5U44Tp57921; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:04:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Mike Holling Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oversized floppies for picobsd? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 28 Jun 2000, Mike Holling wrote: > Has anyone tried using "oversized" 1.722M floppy formats? There's a > single-disk linux that does this: You can build whatever size MFS you want. Note the PicoBSD build tool lets you specify the MFS and disk image sizes. :-) Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 21: 7: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8F737B748 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:07:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5U46sj57944; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:06:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: "laurens van alphen (craxx)" Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Using a CD for firewalls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, laurens van alphen (craxx) wrote: > Also, floppy disks tend to go bad once in a while and are painfully slow. Yes, that's why I don't use them anymore. :-) > We're currently looking into using CD's as a replacement. The are > cheap to replace and easy to build (keep an image on a bsd toaster). > Also the firewall itself will be standards-based (unlike LS120 or > Flashdisk) and can be swapped in and out with standard hardware, when > shit hits the fan; the firewall could be any desktop machine with a > cdrom and 3 or more NICs. How about diskless? pxeldr works and if you have at least one Intel NIC you have the necessary guts. Setting up netboot with PXE is super-easy and you can use as big a MFS as you have RAM to store it. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 21: 8:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3433937BA33 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:08:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5U48PU64741; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:08:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Dennis Cartier Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Dennis Cartier wrote: > Hello, > I have been pulling my hair out trying to figure out how to compille a > working PicoBSD floppy image. All attempts fail on boot when it cannot > find init. Exact message is > > init: not found > panic: no init > > Then it does an automatic reboot. > > I have searched all over the PicoBSD site (boy is it out of date), but > have been unable to find anything that gives me a clue as to the cause of > this. > > I have tried various version of BSD (3.4,3.4-stable,3.5,4.0 and > 4.0-current) without success. Since most of them all fail at this point, > it must be somthing simple. (the 4.0+ versions fail on the crunch) 4.X and later are broken but anything along the 3.X line should build. Are you trying to use oinit instead of regular init? Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 21:23: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97BF437BA33 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:22:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA88887; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:22:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA38583; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:22:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200006300422.WAA38583@harmony.village.org> To: "Forrest W. Christian" Subject: Re: Schematic for CF adapter. Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:26:34 MDT." References: Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:22:54 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message "Forrest W. Christian" writes: : Does someone have a schematic for what those CF adapters really do? Most : that I've seen appear to have some "active" components (meaning in this : context something other than a trace on a circuit board and sockets) They are just traces. There are no active components. Well, you are supposed to have a bias cap between power and ground, but that's literally it. : Or a source for *REALLY* cheap adapters? Define really cheak. There was a URL posted here a while ago with them, but I can't find it now. The TARP ones work, but are pricy. We make our own for about $25, but now you can get them from somewhere (and I can't find it) for about that. Is that cheap enough? : (I'd also be interested in sources for cheap CF cards). Me too :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 21:24:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4222E37C313 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:24:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA88900; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:24:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA38608; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200006300424.WAA38608@harmony.village.org> To: chad@DCFinc.com Subject: Re: Schematic for CF adapter. Cc: forrestc@imach.com (Forrest W. Christian), freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:53:57 PDT." <200006300253.TAA05284@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: <200006300253.TAA05284@freeway.dcfinc.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:24:01 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200006300253.TAA05284@freeway.dcfinc.com> "Chad R. Larson" writes: : As far as I know, they have no active components (at least, the CF : to PCMCIA adapters I looked at). They just re-arrange the pinouts from : the CF card to the PCMCIA connecter. My understanding is that the : CF card is an IDE, electrically. Basically. You have to ground the OE pin, but that's basically right. : > Or a source for *REALLY* cheap adapters? : : Last one I bought was around $9 at (I believe) Staples or Office Is that a PCMCIA <-> CF adapter or a CF IDE adapater? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 29 22:10:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A2C37B5FE for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:10:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05700; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:10:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200006300510.WAA05700@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Schematic for CF adapter. In-Reply-To: <200006300424.WAA38608@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Jun 29, 0 10:24:01 pm" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:10:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: forrestc@imach.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Warner Losh wrote: > : > Or a source for *REALLY* cheap adapters? > : Last one I bought was around $9 at (I believe) Staples or Office > > Is that a PCMCIA <-> CF adapter or a CF IDE adapater? PCMCIA <-> CF adapter. I bought it for a friend as a solution to how he was to get pictures from his digital camera (which uses CF cards) into his computer (a medium-high laptop). > Warner -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 0: 5: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB5137B724 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@imach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08005; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:05:50 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:05:49 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Schematic for CF adapter. In-Reply-To: <200006300422.WAA38583@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > In message "Forrest W. Christian" writes: > : Does someone have a schematic for what those CF adapters really do? Most > : that I've seen appear to have some "active" components (meaning in this > : context something other than a trace on a circuit board and sockets) > > They are just traces. There are no active components. Well, you are > supposed to have a bias cap between power and ground, but that's > literally it. Thats what I guessed... However, I was looking at http://www.pcengines.com/cflash.htm and it looks like they have a few more caps on the board, etc. etc. However, it DOES look like they are just bypass caps like you said. > : Or a source for *REALLY* cheap adapters? > > Define really cheak. There was a URL posted here a while ago with > them, but I can't find it now. The TARP ones work, but are pricy. We > make our own for about $25, but now you can get them from somewhere > (and I can't find it) for about that. Is that cheap enough? the above is about $20.00. I don't have one in my hand, but there is *something* I don't like about this one and I can't put my finger on it - maybe it's the mounting or something. I *REALLY* need to buy one of these and figure out what it is that I don't like so I can figure out if it is really critical. What would be really cool is one which just stuck directly in the IDE jack on the motherboard and the cf stuck in it. No cables and likely light enough to not need mounting. > : (I'd also be interested in sources for cheap CF cards). If flash were only as cheap as sdram... - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 0:32:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from gidgate.gid.co.uk (gid.co.uk [194.32.164.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1A037B7C1 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:32:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rb@gidgate.gid.co.uk) Received: (from rb@localhost) by gidgate.gid.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA39565; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:31:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rb) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000630082628.00afbe00@gid.co.uk> X-Sender: rbmail@gid.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:31:55 +0100 To: Warner Losh From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: Schematic for CF adapter. Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200006300422.WAA38583@harmony.village.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, At 22:22 29/06/00 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >[...] >We make our own for about $25 [etc] Where do you get the CF sockets? -- Bob Bishop +44 (0)118 977 4017 rb@gid.co.uk fax +44 (0)118 989 4254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 1:11:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk (orkney.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48EF37B55C for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:11:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [62.252.148.118] (helo=cs.strath.ac.uk) by mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 137vtG-0002We-00 for small@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:11:11 +0100 Message-ID: <395C565E.67E1768B@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:12:14 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: small@freebsd.org Subject: Optimise for space -Os Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Has anyone had any luck compiling PicoBSD with the -Os (optimise for space) switch to gcc. I've just tried it here on my 4.0-stable box with a modified 'bridge' disk (modified so it would fit a floppy) and the resultant disk seems just as full. various .o files along the way are smaller though. Should this -Os switch have helped? Roger -- Roger Hardiman Strathclyde Uni Telepresence Research Group, Glasgow, Scotland. http://www.telepresence.strath.ac.uk 0141 548 2897 roger@cs.strath.ac.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 2: 5:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk (orkney.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6097037C3A9 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [62.252.148.118] (helo=cs.strath.ac.uk) by mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 137wio-000633-00 for small@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:04:27 +0100 Message-ID: <395C62D9.4E9C8DA@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:05:29 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: small@freebsd.org Subject: more on optimimise for size (was space) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Here are some results for building 'bridge' on 4.0-stable with -Os (optimize for size) passed to gcc instead of -O. Results looked good, but gzip let me down. 1) CHANGE THE OPTIMISATION FLAGS FOR GCC I built the kernel 4 times, with different optimisation settings. default optimise: gcc -O kernel is 1212593 bytes. better optimise: gcc -02 kernel is 1211345 bytes best optimise: gcc -O3 kernel is 1257613 bytes size optimise: gcc -Os kernel is 1203761 bytes GOOD NEWS FOR THE KERNEL Yippee. comparing 'size' to 'default' optimisation, we SAVE 8832 bytes, or 8K 2) COMPRESSING KERNEL WITH GZIP Then I gzipped the kernel files using gzip. default optimise: kernel.gz is 551628 bytes better optimise: kernel.gz is 559805 bytes. best optimise: kernel.gz is 576482 bytes. size optimise: kernel.gz is 554033 bytes. BAD NEWS FOR GZIP comparing 'size' to 'default' This is a 2.4k INCREASE. SUMMARY Optimise for size will make the kernel image 8k smaller but it will not make it fit on the floppy any better. Any comments on this? Platform FreeBSD 4.0-stable kernel (updated source yesterday) Bridge kernel but with some local modifications. (take out dummynet and ipfw, add new network card drivers) Roger -- Roger Hardiman Strathclyde Uni Telepresence Research Group, Glasgow, Scotland. http://www.telepresence.strath.ac.uk 0141 548 2897 roger@cs.strath.ac.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 2:18:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk (orkney.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A651937C397 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:18:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [62.252.148.118] (helo=cs.strath.ac.uk) by mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 137wvv-00071M-00 for small@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:17:59 +0100 Message-ID: <395C6606.30675C5C@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:19:02 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: small@freebsd.org Subject: bzip2 vrs gzip saves me 28k on my kernel size Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Following on from my kernel size tests, I compressed the kernel image with bzip2 instead of gzip. Ok, bzip2 is not in the loader, but it made me think more about the compression we use. 1) The original kernels default optimise: gcc -O kernel is 1212593 bytes. size optimise: gcc -Os kernel is 1203761 bytes 2) The kernels compressed with gzip default optimise: kernel.gz is 551628 bytes size optimise: kernel.gz is 554033 bytes. 3) The kernels compressed with bzip2, from the Ports Tree default optimise: kernel.gz is 523435 bytes size optimise: kernel.gz is 522065 bytes SUCCESS We have 2 good results here. bzip2 gets the default kernel 27.5K SMALLER! ( 28193 bytes smaller ) And if we use the kernel optimised for size, we actually save another 1.3K (1370 bytes) BZIP2ed kernel So, we can save 28.8K here. Of course, I have not forgotten the space need for bzip2's decompressor. I'd hope we can put a bzip2's decompressor into the boot loader and take out the gunzip code at the same time, making a nice space saving. bzip2 has a BSD licence too, so we have no problems integrating it into PicoBSD. Any comments on this? Roger -- Roger Hardiman Strathclyde Uni Telepresence Research Group, Glasgow, Scotland. http://www.telepresence.strath.ac.uk 0141 548 2897 roger@cs.strath.ac.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 8:14:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E802E37BE33 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:14:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA90822; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:14:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA41581; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:14:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200006301514.JAA41581@harmony.village.org> To: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: Schematic for CF adapter. Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:31:55 BST." <4.3.1.2.20000630082628.00afbe00@gid.co.uk> References: <4.3.1.2.20000630082628.00afbe00@gid.co.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:14:16 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <4.3.1.2.20000630082628.00afbe00@gid.co.uk> Bob Bishop writes: : Hi, : : At 22:22 29/06/00 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: : >[...] : >We make our own for about $25 [etc] : : Where do you get the CF sockets? That I can't tell you because I don't know. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 8:17:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dreamwvr.com (24.66.207.153.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.207.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA3737C255 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:17:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com) Received: from tyr.dreamwvr.com (unknown [192.168.26.101]) by dreamwvr.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EDAB93483 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:17:32 -0600 (MDT) From: dreamwvr To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oversized floppies for picobsd? Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:33:54 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0006300942102D.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, ok lets go a step further let us work on or document a step by step on building picoBSD lliterally from scratch;-)) now that would make my day.. and yes i do mean everything..:-)) plus a clear one liner like the freebsd docs on why 4 how comes.. that would be quite priceless. Oh yeah here goes another question.. I am planning to tinker in my spare time whenever that is with putting together and then tearing apart embedded systems. I would like if possible a shopping list and some urls to purchase everything to make a real kicking couple of embedded systems. Hewey and Dewey lets say for the sake of args will be running systems built from the ground floor on up. I will be doing this in my laboratory and plan to release the details when i get that far. I know this is asking quite a bit but i think picobsd might just be the ticket! Best Regards, dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 8:30:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dopey.unlimited.net (dopey.unlimited.net [209.186.200.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165D337BDF9 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:30:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from norami@unlimited.net) Received: from unlimited.net (ts3-102.unlimited.net [209.186.200.102]) by dopey.unlimited.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28141; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:31:04 -0700 Message-ID: <395CBF76.69C55E5D@unlimited.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:40:38 -0700 From: John Oram Reply-To: norami@unlimited.net Organization: norAmi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,x-ns1dzwuwOCyNhP,x-ns2r2809OnmPe2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dreamwvr Cc: "list=freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: World's smallest server? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Have you seen this one? Price seems a bit high but it is fully functional. John O To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 8:52:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE1E37C1AA for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:52:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5UFqbk91987; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:52:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Roger Hardiman Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Optimise for space -Os In-Reply-To: <395C565E.67E1768B@cs.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Roger Hardiman wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone had any luck compiling PicoBSD with the -Os > (optimise for space) switch to gcc. > > I've just tried it here on my 4.0-stable box with a > modified 'bridge' disk (modified so it would fit a floppy) > and the resultant disk seems just as full. 4.X PicoBSD has bigger issues. gzip kernel + loader just about fill the disk right there. Mike Smith is trying to prod me into getting rid of loader and go back to gluing the MFS image in the kernel again. I hate that but the write_mfs_in_kernel tool has reappeared under sysinstall's tree. Getting rid of loader would buy back ~150KB on the disk. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 8:52:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C188B37BB56 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:52:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrylo@soco.agilent.com) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (mina.soco.agilent.com [141.121.54.157]) by palrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9939D832; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.soco.agilent.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.0) with ESMTP id IAA20193; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006301551.IAA20193@mina.soco.agilent.com> To: Bob Bishop Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Schematic for CF adapter. Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:31:55 BST." <4.3.1.2.20000630082628.00afbe00@gid.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.5) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:51:23 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bob Bishop wrote: > Where do you get the CF sockets? Digikey has surface-mount CF sockets: http://www.digikey.com For the CF sockets, see: http://www.digikey.com/EC/V3/119.pdf (See the lower-right corner of this single-page PDF file.) They do appear to ship internationally, although the sockets are expensive enough to make ordering them internationally a questionable proposition. -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 8:53:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E8637BFA3 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:53:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5UFrkd91999; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:53:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Roger Hardiman Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bzip2 vrs gzip saves me 28k on my kernel size In-Reply-To: <395C6606.30675C5C@cs.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Roger Hardiman wrote: > bzip2 gets the default kernel 27.5K SMALLER! [...] > Of course, I have not forgotten the space need for bzip2's > decompressor. > > I'd hope we can put a bzip2's decompressor into the boot loader > and take out the gunzip code at the same time, making a nice > space saving. > bzip2 has a BSD licence too, so we have no problems integrating > it into PicoBSD. you have to put bzip2 into loader then, and you will probably void your space savings right there. It would be more worthwhile to just get rid of loader altogether. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 8:57:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F77237BFE0 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:57:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA51887; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:58:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200006301558.RAA51887@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Optimise for space -Os In-Reply-To: from Doug White at "Jun 30, 2000 08:52:37 am" To: Doug White Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:58:19 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Roger Hardiman , small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > 4.X PicoBSD has bigger issues. gzip kernel + loader just about fill the > disk right there. > > Mike Smith is trying to prod me into getting rid of loader and go back to > gluing the MFS image in the kernel again. I hate that but the > write_mfs_in_kernel tool has reappeared under sysinstall's tree. Getting > rid of loader would buy back ~150KB on the disk. mumble... this is not my figure. I think it is more in the range of 70KB when you remove the forth stuff from the loader and the associated config files. cheers luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) Mobile +39-347-0373137 -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 9: 5: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA2537BB25 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:04:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA91217; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:04:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA42085; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:04:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200006301604.KAA42085@harmony.village.org> To: Luigi Rizzo Subject: Re: Optimise for space -Os Cc: Doug White , Roger Hardiman , small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:58:19 +0200." <200006301558.RAA51887@info.iet.unipi.it> References: <200006301558.RAA51887@info.iet.unipi.it> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:04:53 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200006301558.RAA51887@info.iet.unipi.it> Luigi Rizzo writes: : mumble... this is not my figure. I think it is more in the range of 70KB : when you remove the forth stuff from the loader and the associated : config files. Right now /boot/loader is 159k, plus another 7k for the loader.conf file and 5k for theloader.4th file and 12k for the loader.help file and 25k for the support.4th, so that's more like 208k. But I don't know how PicoBSD does this in 4.x. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 9: 7:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AB737B886 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:07:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA91239; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:07:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA42140; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:07:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200006301607.KAA42140@harmony.village.org> To: "Forrest W. Christian" Subject: Re: Schematic for CF adapter. Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:05:49 MDT." References: Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:07:43 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message "Forrest W. Christian" writes: : Thats what I guessed... However, I was looking at : http://www.pcengines.com/cflash.htm and it looks like they have a few more : caps on the board, etc. etc. However, it DOES look like they are just : bypass caps like you said. I know that on the board we make, we have 1 bypass CAP. Plus 1 Jumper for master/slave. The TAPR board had additional caps, and provisions for adding a LED to the mix so you'd know when the drive was being accessed. That's just a resister and a LED since that's done off of one of the IDE signals. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 9:11:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FE637B986 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:11:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA51979; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:12:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200006301612.SAA51979@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Optimise for space -Os In-Reply-To: <200006301604.KAA42085@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Jun 30, 2000 10:04:53 am" To: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:12:54 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Doug White , Roger Hardiman , small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <200006301558.RAA51887@info.iet.unipi.it> Luigi Rizzo writes: > : mumble... this is not my figure. I think it is more in the range of 70KB > : when you remove the forth stuff from the loader and the associated > : config files. > > Right now /boot/loader is 159k, plus another 7k for the loader.conf > file and 5k for theloader.4th file and 12k for the loader.help file > and 25k for the support.4th, so that's more like 208k. But I don't > know how PicoBSD does this in 4.x. On 3.4 (and the same is in 4.x i think) i removed the forth stuff from the loader, and then you don't need all the config files, just a 3-4 line thing (same as Greg did) to load kernel mfsroot and then boot. So i have > ls -l /boot/loader -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 131072 Dec 30 1999 /boot/loader > (cd /usr/src/release/picobsd/build; ls -l /loader ) -rwxr-xr-x 1 root luigi 53754 Jun 14 17:37 loader (with the second one being used in the picobsd disk). Assuming the 20% bloat in 4.0 there you are with 70KB (and i suppose some of the size increase in 4.x is due to more functionalities put into the forth stuff). cheers luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) Mobile +39-347-0373137 -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- > Warner > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 9:26:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from arg1.demon.co.uk (arg1.demon.co.uk [194.222.34.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27ED37BAD9 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arg@arg1.demon.co.uk) Received: from localhost (arg@localhost) by arg1.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA04631; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:26:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from arg@arg1.demon.co.uk) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:25:56 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Gordon X-Sender: arg@server.arg.sj.co.uk To: Bob Bishop Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Schematic for CF adapter. In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000630082628.00afbe00@gid.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Bob Bishop wrote: > > At 22:22 29/06/00 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > >[...] > >We make our own for about $25 [etc] > > Where do you get the CF sockets? > -- > Bob Bishop +44 (0)118 977 4017 > rb@gid.co.uk fax +44 (0)118 989 4254 ^^^^ If you're looking for a UK supplier of just the sockets, Farnell have them now (order code 634-529, 1-off price GBP 5.73). Page 377 in volume 3 of the catalogue. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 10:39:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeby.mesanet.com (pm3-3-17.dynamic.idiom.com [216.240.35.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB4F37C35A for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:38:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcw@mesanet.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freeby.mesanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA09627 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:38:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Peter C. Wallace" To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Schematic for CF adapter. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1763241494-962386713=:8296" Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1763241494-962386713=:8296 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Forrest W. Christian wrote: > > Since CF seems to be on topic right now... > > Does someone have a schematic for what those CF adapters really do? Most > that I've seen appear to have some "active" components (meaning in this > context something other than a trace on a circuit board and sockets) The CF-ide adapter is just wire +- Activity LED, master/slave jumper optional termination, bypasses etc etc The included schematic is for a 44 pin (laptop) IDE connector for 40 pins just drop pins 41,42,43,44 and supply your own +5V > > Or a source for *REALLY* cheap adapters? We make one for $17.00 but its really only in support of our stuff (hence the 44 pin connector) > > (I'd also be interested in sources for cheap CF cards). > > > - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com > Solutions for your high-tech problems. 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the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 10:55:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeby.mesanet.com (pm3-3-14.dynamic.idiom.com [216.240.35.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE4237BD10 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:55:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcw@mesanet.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freeby.mesanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA09672 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:51:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Peter C. Wallace" To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Schematic for CF adapter. In-Reply-To: <200006301514.JAA41581@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <4.3.1.2.20000630082628.00afbe00@gid.co.uk> Bob Bishop writes: > : Hi, > : > : At 22:22 29/06/00 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > : >[...] > : >We make our own for about $25 [etc] > : > : Where do you get the CF sockets? > > That I can't tell you because I don't know. > > Warner > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > The type we use is Fujitsu FCN568-H050-G/A1AC (surface mount with ejector) Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 12: 9: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dreamwvr.com (24.66.207.153.ab.wave.home.com [24.66.207.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A558337B740 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:09:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com) Received: from tyr.dreamwvr.com (unknown [192.168.26.101]) by dreamwvr.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F349D3483; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:08:55 -0600 (MDT) From: dreamwvr To: norami@unlimited.net, John Oram Subject: Re: World's smallest server? Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:22:46 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: "list=freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG" References: <395CBF76.69C55E5D@unlimited.net> In-Reply-To: <395CBF76.69C55E5D@unlimited.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0006301333342Q.00531@tyr.dreamwvr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, ! till now:-)) @ least the commercial offering. I do recall seeing hte matchbox pc server some time ago as created by one of the guys at MIT or C.M if mem serves. That must have been oh about a year ago when i saw in a mag what was called the world's smallest webserver. It was about the size of a large matchhead. But "finally" (a relative term i know) it has occured. now i just need to be able to justify 1.5 k out of pocket:-)) say anyone actually using one? This would be great for wearables that is for sure as i like the idea of running all open source transparently 24/7. anyhow the price is actually very good .. can you imagine 2 years from now instead of using racks like we do now so we can prevent the tripping ;-)) We have on our bookshelf what a entire large rack would contain. We live in exciting time()! With 16 M and 340 of diskspace it is perfect for linux and i would think perfect for BSD as well. Whereas with winblows well the bloatware is $self limiting IMHO. Best Regards, dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, John Oram wrote: > Have you seen this one? Price seems a bit high but it is fully > functional. > > John O > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 13:31:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk (orkney.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA0137BC16 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:31:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [62.252.144.38] (helo=cs.strath.ac.uk) by mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 1387Qf-0003qT-00; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:30:26 +0100 Message-ID: <395D03A1.6F2E5090@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:31:29 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug White Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bzip2 vrs gzip saves me 28k on my kernel size References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug > > bzip2 gets the default kernel 27.5K SMALLER! > > Of course, I have not forgotten the space need for bzip2's > > decompressor. > you have to put bzip2 into loader then, and you will probably void your > space savings right there. yes, but we can take out the gzip compressor which is there now and use bzip2 for all the compressed files. > It would be more worthwhile to just get rid of loader altogether. I agree, but we still need to compress the kernel. Unfortunatly I've no time spare for experimenting with bzip2 further. Anyway, it is worth spening more effort reclaiming this potential 150k from the loader. Roger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 16:14:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0757B37BB4F for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:14:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA53347; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 01:15:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200006302315.BAA53347@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: bzip2 vrs gzip saves me 28k on my kernel size In-Reply-To: <395D03A1.6F2E5090@cs.strath.ac.uk> from Roger Hardiman at "Jun 30, 2000 09:31:29 pm" To: Roger Hardiman Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 01:15:20 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Doug White , small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Anyway, it is worth spening more effort reclaiming > this potential 150k from the loader. it is more like 70KB, really. Check my former msg to the list. /boot/loader without the forth stuff goes from 128K to 50K on 3.x and you can get rid of all the config files. See how it is built on 3.5. cheers luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) Mobile +39-347-0373137 -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 19:49: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from web5401.mail.yahoo.com (web5401.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2721337B859 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:49:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smc650@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000701024902.24741.qmail@web5401.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.43.254.169] by web5401.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:49:02 PDT Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:49:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam McCloud To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-small __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 30 21:43:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk (orkney.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6527237B605 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:43:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [62.252.148.23] (helo=cs.strath.ac.uk) by mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 138F7F-0000Pl-00 for small@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 05:42:54 +0100 Message-ID: <395D770F.DE21231C@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 05:43:59 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: small@freebsd.org Subject: picobsd/build/clean commits Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I notied the 'clean' script in picobsd/build did not include 'bridge' as a target to clean. I've just added it to 5.x-current, 4.0-stable and 3.5-stable. Roger -- Roger Hardiman Strathclyde Uni Telepresence Research Group, Glasgow, Scotland. http://www.telepresence.strath.ac.uk 0141 548 2897 roger@cs.strath.ac.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 1 2: 6:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk (orkney.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8412A37B888 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 02:06:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [62.252.138.146] (helo=cs.strath.ac.uk) by mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 138JDg-0005w6-00 for small@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 10:05:48 +0100 Message-ID: <395DB4AF.33316E1A@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 10:06:55 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: small@freebsd.org Subject: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RBL-Warning: (dul.maps.vix.com) See Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, The 'more' command has now been removed from the FreeBSD 5.x and 4.x source tree (was /src/usr.bin/more) The main FreeBSD source is now using GNU 'less' which is now part of the main source tree at /usr/src/contrib/less. There is a symbolic link created for 'more' which maps it to less. What do we want to do with PicoBSD which puts 'more' on a few disks. We can a) use the new 'less' which is a little _bigger_ than 'more' b) copy the old BSD 'more' over to Tinyware and keep using it there? c) make PicoBSD get the new port '44BSD-more' which is the old more source. but that means we always have to link in a port with PicoBSD I'm trying to get PicoBSD on 4.x working ready for the 4.1 release, and this has beome my next problem to resolve. Roger -- Roger Hardiman Strathclyde Uni Telepresence Research Group, Glasgow, Scotland. http://www.telepresence.strath.ac.uk 0141 548 2897 roger@cs.strath.ac.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 1 5:14: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BF837B7C5 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 05:13:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA57536; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 14:14:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200007011214.OAA57536@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less In-Reply-To: <395DB4AF.33316E1A@cs.strath.ac.uk> from Roger Hardiman at "Jul 1, 2000 10:06:55 am" To: Roger Hardiman Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 14:14:57 +0200 (CEST) Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG just nuke 'more' from crunch.conf -- given the code bloat you have to remove something anyways, you can always use the editor to display a file... cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 1 5:16:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk (orkney.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E346937B6B5 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 05:16:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [62.253.10.158] (helo=cs.strath.ac.uk) by mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 138MBV-0002wF-00; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 13:15:46 +0100 Message-ID: <395DE133.BEC78775@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 13:16:51 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less References: <200007011214.OAA57536@info.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > just nuke 'more' from crunch.conf -- given the code bloat > you have to remove something anyways, you can always use the editor > to display a file... good point. There is no need for cat and more when we have 'ee' Roger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 1 6:20:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk (orkney.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9270837B51E for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 06:20:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [62.253.10.158] (helo=cs.strath.ac.uk) by mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 138NBs-0004U5-00 for small@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 14:20:13 +0100 Message-ID: <395DF052.CA132058@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 14:21:22 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: small@freebsd.org Subject: picobsd/build/clean and removal of .image.list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I noticed that after running the 'clean' script in the PicoBSD build directory, the .image.list file still remains. Any objections if I add it to the list of files 'clean' removes. It is autogenerated each time you run 'build' anyway Roger -- Roger Hardiman Strathclyde Uni Telepresence Research Group, Glasgow, Scotland. http://www.telepresence.strath.ac.uk 0141 548 2897 roger@cs.strath.ac.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 1 7:35:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mout0.freenet.de (mout0.freenet.de [194.97.50.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672CF37BAC1 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 07:35:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ino-waiting@gmx.net) Received: from [194.97.50.136] (helo=mx3.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #3) id 138OMX-0004WR-00 for small@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 16:35:17 +0200 Received: from [213.6.15.192] (helo=spotteswoode.de) by mx3.freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.14 #3) id 138OMW-0002tP-00 for small@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 16:35:16 +0200 Received: (qmail 2348 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2000 14:35:15 -0000 From: "clemensF" Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:35:15 +0200 To: Roger Hardiman Cc: Luigi Rizzo , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less Message-ID: <20000701163515.B2189@spotteswoode.de> References: <200007011214.OAA57536@info.iet.unipi.it> <395DE133.BEC78775@cs.strath.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <395DE133.BEC78775@cs.strath.ac.uk>; from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk on Sat, Jul 01, 2000 at 01:16:51PM +0100 Organization: private X-PGP-ID: 0xD4685B88-4894C483/DH X-PGP-FPR: 0FAE 5F53 CEB9 49DE 9300 3035 D468 5B88 4894 C483 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Roger Hardiman: > > just nuke 'more' from crunch.conf -- given the code bloat > > you have to remove something anyways, you can always use the editor > > to display a file... > > good point. There is no need for cat and more when we have 'ee' so how do you pipe ls -R / | ee ? clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 1 8:30:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3E337BCFE for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 08:30:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA58118; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 17:31:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200007011531.RAA58118@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less In-Reply-To: <20000701163515.B2189@spotteswoode.de> from clemensF at "Jul 1, 2000 04:35:15 pm" To: clemensF Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 17:31:17 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Roger Hardiman , small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > good point. There is no need for cat and more when we have 'ee' > > so how do you pipe ls -R / | ee ? use a 50-lines xterm, or the console scroll. On picobsd, how many files do you want anyways! cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 1 8:47:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E14F37B51E for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 08:47:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from albert@achtung.com) Received: (qmail 20108 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2000 15:47:12 -0000 Received: from mercury.hosting4u.net (HELO achtung.com) (209.15.2.5) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 1 Jul 2000 15:47:12 -0000 Received: from psylocke ([63.209.87.66]) by achtung.com ; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 10:47:09 -0500 From: "Albert Yang" To: small@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 08:45:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less Message-ID: <395DAFB5.22179.11EFF1@localhost> In-reply-to: <200007011531.RAA58118@info.iet.unipi.it> References: <20000701163515.B2189@spotteswoode.de> from clemensF at "Jul 1, 2000 04:35:15 pm" X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I personally am use to linux so I use "less" more than "more". ps -ef | less seems to be something I'm very use to, so probably want to have less in there. Less allows bi-directional scrolling, so it's better. Question, I know after I gcc something, I can run a program in linux called "strip" and it strips out all the debug stuff and makes the .o code smaller. I assume this isn't a linux thing, but works on BSD as well? Has anybody tried that? From my understanding, it strips all debug information. Anyone? Albert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 1 11:38:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk (orkney.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAB037B612; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 11:38:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [62.252.136.191] (helo=cs.strath.ac.uk) by mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 138S9b-0004SC-00; Sat, 01 Jul 2000 19:38:12 +0100 Message-ID: <395E3AD3.DFFE0893@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 19:39:15 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug White Cc: small@freebsd.org Subject: /etc rc commit breaks PicoBSD References: <200007010420.VAA14274@freefall.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RBL-Warning: (dul.maps.vix.com) See Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug, CC to small Your commit to release/picobsd/mfs_tree/etc/rc for REGENG_3 is broken. :-( 'small' reader: Doug changed gzip -d *.gz to gzip -df *.gz For some reason this fails to work on the PicoBSD disk. I'm using a 3.5-stable bridge disk. The kernel boots and now says "Reading /etc from /dev/fd0c" "-df : File not Found" or invalid file name or something like that. It then goes into a continual loop, retunning the 'broken' rc file as it cannot extrac the proper 'rc' file from the floppy. gzip -df *.gz works on my command line. I wonder why PicoBSD does not like it. I did not think we used a cut down guzip. Maybe we do. So, Doug, can you back out the change please. Thanks. Roger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 1 11:55:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7E437B69A; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 11:55:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA58672; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:56:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200007011856.UAA58672@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: /etc rc commit breaks PicoBSD In-Reply-To: <395E3AD3.DFFE0893@cs.strath.ac.uk> from Roger Hardiman at "Jul 1, 2000 07:39:15 pm" To: Roger Hardiman Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:56:21 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Doug White , small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Your commit to release/picobsd/mfs_tree/etc/rc > for REGENG_3 is broken. :-( > > 'small' reader: Doug changed > gzip -d *.gz > to gzip -df *.gz > > For some reason this fails to work on the PicoBSD disk. the reason is (probably) that picobsd has "minigzip" (what else!) which only recognizes a subset of flags > I did not think we used a cut down guzip. Maybe we do. of course we do! i tried to save as much space as possible! cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 1 12:33:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0425337B945 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:33:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14509; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:32:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200007011932.MAA14509@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less In-Reply-To: <200007011531.RAA58118@info.iet.unipi.it> from Luigi Rizzo at "Jul 1, 0 05:31:17 pm" To: luigi@info.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:32:35 -0700 (MST) Cc: ino-waiting@gmx.net, roger@cs.strath.ac.uk, small@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > good point. There is no need for cat and more when we have 'ee' > > so how do you pipe ls -R / | ee ? > use a 50-lines xterm, or the console scroll. On picobsd, how > many files do you want anyways! Still, the point is well taken. It would be good if ee were able to eat it's standard in. In a student environment, we wanted to be able to use the same executable as an editor and as a file viewer and as a pager, so we didn't have to teach several different key mappings. Same need, different reason. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 1 13:45:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mimer.webgiro.com (mimer.webgiro.com [212.209.29.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02D937BA2E for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 13:45:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by mimer.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 66) id 9C6912DC0A; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:50:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2DB1C7817; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2914710E17; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:44:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Doug White Cc: Roger Hardiman , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Optimise for space -Os In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Doug White wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Roger Hardiman wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Has anyone had any luck compiling PicoBSD with the -Os > > (optimise for space) switch to gcc. > > > > I've just tried it here on my 4.0-stable box with a > > modified 'bridge' disk (modified so it would fit a floppy) > > and the resultant disk seems just as full. > > 4.X PicoBSD has bigger issues. gzip kernel + loader just about fill the > disk right there. > > Mike Smith is trying to prod me into getting rid of loader and go back to > gluing the MFS image in the kernel again. I hate that but the > write_mfs_in_kernel tool has reappeared under sysinstall's tree. Getting > rid of loader would buy back ~150KB on the disk. I think it's fine for the truly embedded setups, which run on well-defined hardware - they can use monolithic image. For installation floppies, or portable dial-up tool, in my opinion it's better to still use the loader, but without Forth, and instead of monolithic kernel build a pretty minimal one + additional floppy/tarball with modules. Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 1 14:31:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 514A837BA70; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e61LVe920502; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 14:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 14:31:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Roger Hardiman Cc: Doug White , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /etc rc commit breaks PicoBSD In-Reply-To: <395E3AD3.DFFE0893@cs.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, Roger Hardiman wrote: > Doug, CC to small > > Your commit to release/picobsd/mfs_tree/etc/rc > for REGENG_3 is broken. :-( > > 'small' reader: Doug changed > gzip -d *.gz > to gzip -df *.gz > > For some reason this fails to work on the PicoBSD disk. > I'm using a 3.5-stable bridge disk. > > The kernel boots and now says > "Reading /etc from /dev/fd0c" > "-df : File not Found" Wierd. I'll kick the person that submitted the patch for not testing it first (and myself for not testing it first either). Patch reversed. Sorry for the inconvenience. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 1 19:19: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7261937B580 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:18:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from forrestc@imach.com) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25382; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:19:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:19:14 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Roger Hardiman Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less In-Reply-To: <395DB4AF.33316E1A@cs.strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there a reason why we can't just write a 10 line version of more and include it in the shell or include it in tinyware? Ala: (buggy pseudocode follows) if argc==1 then open file described by argv[1] otherwise use STDIN. while (!eof) { line++; read from file; is line modulus 24==0? if yes, print more prompt and wait for keystroke } close file if opened. Even more seems like overkill. After, all we REALLY need is a pager. If we need more, use ee. Just curious, is there a "tinyer" version of vi floating around? (Yes I am a vi addict - I even use it under windows). On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, Roger Hardiman wrote: > Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 10:06:55 +0100 > From: Roger Hardiman > To: small@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less > > Hi, > > The 'more' command has now been removed from the FreeBSD 5.x and 4.x > source tree (was /src/usr.bin/more) > > The main FreeBSD source is now using GNU 'less' which is now part of the > main source tree at /usr/src/contrib/less. > > There is a symbolic link created for 'more' which maps it to less. > > > What do we want to do with PicoBSD which puts 'more' on a > few disks. > > We can > a) use the new 'less' which is a little _bigger_ than 'more' > b) copy the old BSD 'more' over to Tinyware and keep using it there? > c) make PicoBSD get the new port '44BSD-more' which is the old more > source. > but that means we always have to link in a port with PicoBSD > > I'm trying to get PicoBSD on 4.x working ready for the 4.1 > release, and this has beome my next problem to resolve. > > Roger > -- > Roger Hardiman > Strathclyde Uni Telepresence Research Group, Glasgow, Scotland. > http://www.telepresence.strath.ac.uk 0141 548 2897 > roger@cs.strath.ac.uk > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > - Forrest W. 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