From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jul 2 1:26:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk (orkney.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F47337B5F1 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 01:26:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [62.252.146.83] (helo=cs.strath.ac.uk) by mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 138f4f-0001O1-00; Sun, 02 Jul 2000 09:25:57 +0100 Message-ID: <395EFCD6.980B3330@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 09:27:02 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Forrest W. Christian" wrote: > > Is there a reason why we can't just write a 10 line version of more and > include it in the shell or include it in tinyware? No. Infact I was already thinking of moving the old 'more' into tinyware. The old 'more' included searching. But a tinymore or minimore, based on your pseudo code would be good enough for most cases. Roger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jul 2 3:44: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk (orkney.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A96437B58F for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 03:43:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [62.252.136.110] (helo=cs.strath.ac.uk) by mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 138hDY-0005xP-00; Sun, 02 Jul 2000 11:43:17 +0100 Message-ID: <395F1D06.C24CA51@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 11:44:22 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug White , small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc rc commit breaks PicoBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RBL-Warning: (dul.maps.vix.com) See Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug, FreeBSD-Small When I boot with a 3.5-stable 'Dial' floppy, I get this message gzip: login.conf already exists: do you wish to overwrite (y or n)? gzip: rc already exists: do you wish to overwrite (y or n)? Doug's recent commit (I fotget who suggested it, sorry) was to change gzip in mfs_tree/etc/rc to suppress this message change gzip -d to gzip -df Good plan. The only problem was that the 'bridge' disk does not use gzip It used minigzip which does not have the same -f flag. minigzip always overwrites without checking. And -f means something else. Infact minigzip cannot handle merged flags. -d -f is OK, but -df fails. So What Shall We Do? We could have different /mfs_tree/etc/rc files for minizip disks and for gzip disks. This is bad. We do not want to duplicate work here Our options are (in order of my preference) 1) gunzip the files to a temporary directory, say /tmp and then copy the files to the /etc after (cp does not warn about overwriting files_) 2) put minigzip on the dial disk, as well as gzip. (plus the other disks) the mfs_root/etc/rc file can then call minigzip -d *.gz this puts 2 gzip programs on a disk. Although minigzip is very small 3) use gzip -d --force *.gz In gzip -f and --force mean the same thing. Force overwrites. This means a change to minigzip to support (and ignore) the --force flag OR x) Can we simply rename 'rc' and 'login.conf' in /etc (or even delete them) before we overwrite them? What do people think. Will Option 1) work? I'm about to try it out. Once we have decided, I'll to the commits to 3.x-stable and test the 'dial' and 'bridge' disks Roger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 3 10:38:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from lepton.subatomix.com (okc-27-143-173.mmcable.com [24.27.143.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA12137BA8A for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:38:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jss@lepton.subatomix.com) Received: from localhost (jss@localhost) by lepton.subatomix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19295; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:39:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jss@lepton.subatomix.com) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:39:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeffrey S. Sharp" To: Doug White Cc: Roger Hardiman , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Optimise for space -Os In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Doug White wrote: > > Mike Smith is trying to prod me into getting rid of loader and go back to > gluing the MFS image in the kernel again. I hate that but the > write_mfs_in_kernel tool has reappeared under sysinstall's tree. Getting > rid of loader would buy back ~150KB on the disk. In some cases, you can't get rid of loader, as I found out: (1) if you want to boot a DiskOnChip or (2) if you want to do multiple disks. =============================== Jeffrey S. Sharp (XorAxAx) jss@subatomix.com -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.12 GCS/IT/MU d-@ s-:+ a21 C++(++++) UBL+(+++$)> P L+(+++$)> E+> W++ N+(++) o? K? w++$> !O M(-) !V PS+ PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+ R(+) tv+ b+ DI++(+++) G++ e> h--- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 3 10:46:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from lepton.subatomix.com (okc-27-143-173.mmcable.com [24.27.143.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC4137C222 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:46:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jss@lepton.subatomix.com) Received: from localhost (jss@localhost) by lepton.subatomix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19310; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:47:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jss@lepton.subatomix.com) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:47:34 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeffrey S. Sharp" To: Albert Yang Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less In-Reply-To: <395DAFB5.22179.11EFF1@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, Albert Yang wrote: > > I personally am use to linux so I use "less" more than "more". I also prefer `less'. Not just because I converted from Linux, but because `more' annoyingly exits when you reach the bottom of a file. With an option, you can make `more' wait one more keystroke, but that's still not enough to prevent me from getting very angry... =============================== Jeffrey S. Sharp (XorAxAx) jss@subatomix.com -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version 3.12 GCS/IT/MU d-@ s-:+ a21 C++(++++) UBL+(+++$)> P L+(+++$)> E+> W++ N+(++) o? K? w++$> !O M(-) !V PS+ PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+ R(+) tv+ b+ DI++(+++) G++ e> h--- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 3 15:36: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mout0.freenet.de (mout0.freenet.de [194.97.50.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7701637C11C for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:36:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ino-waiting@gmx.net) Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #3) id 139Eor-0002F8-00 for small@freebsd.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 00:36:01 +0200 Received: from [213.6.0.48] (helo=spotteswoode.de) by mx1.freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 139Eoq-0007b2-00 for small@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 00:36:01 +0200 Received: (qmail 20055 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2000 22:36:01 -0000 From: "clemensF" Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 00:36:01 +0200 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: Roger Hardiman , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less Message-ID: <20000704003601.I8091@spotteswoode.de> References: <20000701163515.B2189@spotteswoode.de> <200007011531.RAA58118@info.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200007011531.RAA58118@info.iet.unipi.it>; from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it on Sat, Jul 01, 2000 at 05:31:17PM +0200 Organization: private X-PGP-ID: 0xD4685B88-4894C483/DH X-PGP-FPR: 0FAE 5F53 CEB9 49DE 9300 3035 D468 5B88 4894 C483 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Luigi Rizzo: > > so how do you pipe ls -R / | ee ? > > use a 50-lines xterm, or the console scroll. On picobsd, how > many files do you want anyways! not many files, but x11? how about a few more files and command-line? *that's* pico! clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 3 15:41: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mout1.freenet.de (mout1.freenet.de [194.97.50.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8442337B639 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:41:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ino-waiting@gmx.net) Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #3) id 139Eti-0000jF-00 for small@freebsd.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 00:41:02 +0200 Received: from [213.6.0.48] (helo=spotteswoode.de) by mx1.freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 139Eth-0008GI-00 for small@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 04 Jul 2000 00:41:02 +0200 Received: (qmail 20074 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2000 22:41:06 -0000 From: "clemensF" Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 00:41:06 +0200 To: Albert Yang Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less Message-ID: <20000704004106.J8091@spotteswoode.de> References: <20000701163515.B2189@spotteswoode.de> <200007011531.RAA58118@info.iet.unipi.it> <395DAFB5.22179.11EFF1@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <395DAFB5.22179.11EFF1@localhost>; from albert@achtung.com on Sat, Jul 01, 2000 at 08:45:41AM -0700 Organization: private X-PGP-ID: 0xD4685B88-4894C483/DH X-PGP-FPR: 0FAE 5F53 CEB9 49DE 9300 3035 D468 5B88 4894 C483 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Albert Yang: > Question, I know after I gcc something, I can run a program in linux > called "strip" and it strips out all the debug stuff and makes the .o > code smaller. I assume this isn't a linux thing, but works on BSD as > well? Has anybody tried that? From my understanding, it strips all > debug information. Anyone? it strips off the symbol table, which is needed for orientation in de- bugging. almost every compiler-suit supplies a utility for this. clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 3 15:53:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk (orkney.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756E737B50C for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:52:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from [62.252.137.7] (helo=cs.strath.ac.uk) by mailrouter1.strath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 139F4g-0005Xf-00 for small@freebsd.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:52:23 +0100 Message-ID: <39611949.802B9826@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:52:57 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc rc commit breaks PicoBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RBL-Warning: (dul.maps.vix.com) See Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Roger wrote: >When I boot with a 3.5-stable 'Dial' floppy, I get this message > > gzip: login.conf already exists: do you wish to overwrite (y or n)? > gzip: rc already exists: do you wish to overwrite (y or n)? > > ..snip.. > OR > Can we simply rename 'rc' and 'login.conf' in /etc (or even delete > them) before we overwrite them? Well, it appears we can safely delete 'rc' and 'login.conf' just prior to extracting the gziped /etc files. I've tested this with 'bridge' and 'dial' and they both worked. No more do you wish to overwrite (y or n)? messages in 'dial' So, I've committed the change to FreeBSD 3.5-stable's PicoBSD. Roger -- Roger Hardiman Strathclyde Uni Telepresence Research Group, Glasgow, Scotland. http://www.telepresence.strath.ac.uk 0141 548 2897 roger@cs.strath.ac.uk roger@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 3 15:55:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mimer.webgiro.com (mimer.webgiro.com [212.209.29.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D729037B72D for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:55:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by mimer.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 66) id 01B732DC0B; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 01:00:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 119A67817; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 00:50:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F88410E17; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 00:50:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 00:50:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: clemensF Cc: Albert Yang , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less In-Reply-To: <20000704004106.J8091@spotteswoode.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Jul 2000, clemensF wrote: > > Albert Yang: > > > Question, I know after I gcc something, I can run a program in linux > > called "strip" and it strips out all the debug stuff and makes the .o > > code smaller. I assume this isn't a linux thing, but works on BSD as > > well? Has anybody tried that? From my understanding, it strips all > > debug information. Anyone? > > it strips off the symbol table, which is needed for orientation in de- > bugging. almost every compiler-suit supplies a utility for this. The crunch image is stripped of everything that possibly can be stripped - not only symbols table, but also comment sections (which are usually left in all stripped binaries). Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 3 17: 6:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.deep-sky.net (ns1.deep-sky.net [203.24.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7263B37C1D0 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 17:06:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from famzon@bigfoot.com) Received: from hannama (ip132.deep-sky.net [203.24.40.132]) by ns1.deep-sky.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA44340; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:06:13 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <005701bfe54b$ab1bd8a0$842818cb@gc.deepsky.net> From: "Andrew Hannam" To: "Andrzej Bialecki" Cc: References: Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:06:12 +1000 Organization: FamZon Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Disposition-Notification-To: "Andrew Hannam" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The crunch image is stripped of everything that possibly can be stripped - > not only symbols table, but also comment sections (which are usually > left in all stripped binaries). Which reminds me - I was doing some work in Pico in the 3.4 kernel days and I noticed that the kernel is only stripped without having the comments sections removed. Adding the commands to remove the comments as well from the kernel saved quite a bit of space. Not being current in 4.0 pico - is this being done on 4.0 now ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 3 18:59:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (mg136-135.ricochet.net [204.179.136.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9905B37C1DB for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 18:59:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00575; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:01:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200007040201.TAA00575@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Warner Losh Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Optimise for space -Os In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:04:53 MDT." <200006301604.KAA42085@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 19:01:48 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <200006301558.RAA51887@info.iet.unipi.it> Luigi Rizzo writes: > : mumble... this is not my figure. I think it is more in the range of 70KB > : when you remove the forth stuff from the loader and the associated > : config files. > > Right now /boot/loader is 159k, plus another 7k for the loader.conf > file and 5k for theloader.4th file and 12k for the loader.help file > and 25k for the support.4th, so that's more like 208k. But I don't > know how PicoBSD does this in 4.x. You want to drop all of the filesystems you're not using (eg. drop the FAT filesystem at 5k), and definitely not build Forth into your loader (about 70k) unless you need it. There was also some work done on making the loader self-uncompressing, which would cut it almost in half sizewise again; we've been trying to get this code out of Robert Nordier, but he's been very quiet of late. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 3 19: 3:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (mg136-135.ricochet.net [204.179.136.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C490A37C167 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:02:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00596; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:03:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200007040203.TAA00596@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Roger Hardiman Cc: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bzip2 vrs gzip saves me 28k on my kernel size In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:19:02 BST." <395C6606.30675C5C@cs.strath.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 19:03:29 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I'd hope we can put a bzip2's decompressor into the boot loader > and take out the gunzip code at the same time, making a nice > space saving. You are welcome to add bzip code to libz, and options to select the algorithm(s) that get built into libstand's zipfs, but gunzip support will never be "taken out" per se. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 3 19: 8:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 90D4B37BAAF for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:08:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from albert@achtung.com) Received: (qmail 18478 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2000 02:08:25 -0000 Received: from mercury.hosting4u.net (HELO achtung.com) (209.15.2.5) by mail-gate.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 4 Jul 2000 02:08:25 -0000 Received: from psylocke ([209.245.65.137]) by achtung.com ; Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:08:21 -0500 From: "Albert Yang" To: small@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:06:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: How many picobsd's are we gonna keep? Message-ID: <3960E448.15389.145C0B@localhost> In-reply-to: <200007040203.TAA00596@mass.osd.bsdi.com> References: Your message of "Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:19:02 BST." <395C6606.30675C5C@cs.strath.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, so far, from the emails flying by, I see that the 3.x will be kept. It's smaller (less bloated) and is pretty fast. Also, we are all probably more familiar with it. 4.0 seems to be in the works, and Luigi seems to have gotten a few floppy images made. Then there is talk of "less" and "more", so 5.0 is going to be developed. So are we gonna keep all 3 versions? Albert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 3 23:28:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F3B37BAE0; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:28:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA30622; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:28:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:28:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Albert Yang Cc: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How many picobsd's are we gonna keep? In-Reply-To: <3960E448.15389.145C0B@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, Albert Yang wrote: > OK, so far, from the emails flying by, I see that the 3.x will be > kept. It's smaller (less bloated) and is pretty fast. Also, we are > all probably more familiar with it. > > 4.0 seems to be in the works, and Luigi seems to have gotten a few > floppy images made. > > Then there is talk of "less" and "more", so 5.0 is going to be > developed. > > So are we gonna keep all 3 versions? They willl always exist in the respective FreeBSD branches..I'd imagine people will keep maintaining and working on them as long as they are personally useful. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jul 3 23:31:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72F2D37B7F9; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:31:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA30842; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:31:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:31:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: "Jeffrey S. Sharp" Cc: Albert Yang , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, Albert Yang wrote: > > > > I personally am use to linux so I use "less" more than "more". > > I also prefer `less'. Not just because I converted from Linux, but > because `more' annoyingly exits when you reach the bottom of a file. With > an option, you can make `more' wait one more keystroke, but that's still > not enough to prevent me from getting very angry... Off-topic, but 'more -e' Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 4 0: 2:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from pc01.slingo.nq.nu (pc1.slingo.nq.nu [203.87.59.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3917C37C161; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 00:02:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@pc01.slingo.nq.nu) Received: from lingo.nq.nu (mark@localhost) by pc01.slingo.nq.nu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03796; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:02:04 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:02:04 +1000 (EST) Reply-To: mark@networks.nq.nu Organization: Far North Networks From: Mark Slingo To: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG, Albert Yang , "Jeffrey S. Sharp" Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG alias more "more -e" On 04-Jul-00 Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote: > >> On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, Albert Yang wrote: >> > >> > I personally am use to linux so I use "less" more than "more". >> >> I also prefer `less'. Not just because I converted from Linux, but >> because `more' annoyingly exits when you reach the bottom of a file. >> With >> an option, you can make `more' wait one more keystroke, but that's >> still >> not enough to prevent me from getting very angry... > > Off-topic, but 'more -e' > > Kris > > -- > In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. > -- Charles Forsythe > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message Mark Slingo Far North Networks mark@networks.nq.nu http://www.networks.nq.nu/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 4 2:12:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.eds.ch (ns1.eds.ch [194.235.48.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A630637B5E2 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 02:12:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto.Nunnari@agie.ch) Received: from onyx.eds.ch (onyx.eds.ch [206.122.128.224]) by ns1.eds.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16184 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:20:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mailsrv.eds.ch (mailsrv.eds.ch [194.235.174.72] (may be forged)) by onyx.eds.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20039 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:16:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from agie.ch ([198.132.159.194]) by mailsrv.eds.ch (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA6779; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:08:09 +0200 Message-ID: <3961B7F3.885946B2@agie.ch> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:09:55 +0100 From: "Roberto Nunnari, AGIE" Organization: AGIE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: clemensF Cc: Luigi Rizzo , Roger Hardiman , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less References: <20000701163515.B2189@spotteswoode.de> <200007011531.RAA58118@info.iet.unipi.it> <20000704003601.I8091@spotteswoode.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG clemensF wrote: > > > Luigi Rizzo: > > > > so how do you pipe ls -R / | ee ? > > > > use a 50-lines xterm, or the console scroll. On picobsd, how > > many files do you want anyways! > > not many files, but x11? how about a few more files and command-line? > *that's* pico! > > clemens > You don't need X11 to have the consolle scroll... -- Roberto Nunnari -software engineer- mailto:roberto.nunnari@agie.ch AGIE - http://www.agie.com Via dei pioppi 16 tel: +41-91-8069138 6616 Losone """ Switzerland (o o) =======================oOO==(_)==OOo======================== MY OPNIONS ARE NOT NECESSARELY THOSE OF MY EMPLOYER To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 4 8:30:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mimer.webgiro.com (mimer.webgiro.com [212.209.29.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E00A37B9C2; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:30:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by mimer.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 66) id 06CD82DC0A; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:35:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BF5E67817; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:28:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAEC210E17; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:28:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:28:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Mike Smith Cc: Warner Losh , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Optimise for space -Os In-Reply-To: <200007040201.TAA00575@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > In message <200006301558.RAA51887@info.iet.unipi.it> Luigi Rizzo writes: > > : mumble... this is not my figure. I think it is more in the range of 70KB > > : when you remove the forth stuff from the loader and the associated > > : config files. > > > > Right now /boot/loader is 159k, plus another 7k for the loader.conf > > file and 5k for theloader.4th file and 12k for the loader.help file > > and 25k for the support.4th, so that's more like 208k. But I don't > > know how PicoBSD does this in 4.x. > > You want to drop all of the filesystems you're not using (eg. drop the > FAT filesystem at 5k), and definitely not build Forth into your loader > (about 70k) unless you need it. > > There was also some work done on making the loader self-uncompressing, > which would cut it almost in half sizewise again; we've been trying to > get this code out of Robert Nordier, but he's been very quiet of late. This code is in the tree, and I use it... :-) `/usr/bin/kzip loader` Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 4 12:34:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hot.ee (hot.ee [194.126.101.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6763837BAE2 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:34:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@stv.ee) Received: from www.stv.ee (www.stv.ee [195.50.193.34]) by hot.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30576 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:26:56 +0200 Received: from stv.ee (tasko.local.stv.ee [192.168.196.137]) by www.stv.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30372 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:37:12 GMT Message-ID: <39622D7D.9899A644@stv.ee> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:31:25 +0300 From: Dmitry Baranov X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Picobsd&snmpd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does anybody has any experience in "porting" UCD-snmp daemon on pico? I tried with ver 3.5.3 and 4.1.2 with no success... It gives me "out of swap message" and exits. I tried as it's described in "net"s crunch section 1. make snmpd link to agent subdir 2. add OBJ=kernel.o into the Makefile in agent subdir maybe I missed something ? WBR -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Dmitry Baranov Phone: +(372) 6 056 502 STV Internet Fax: +(372) 6 056 425 Koorti 18 Mobile: +(372) 5 012 825 Tallinn, Estonia ------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 4 14: 0:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-51.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E8537B913 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05404; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:08:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200007042108.OAA05404@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Optimise for space -Os In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:28:31 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:08:03 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > There was also some work done on making the loader self-uncompressing, > > which would cut it almost in half sizewise again; we've been trying to > > get this code out of Robert Nordier, but he's been very quiet of late. > > This code is in the tree, and I use it... :-) `/usr/bin/kzip loader` kzip is deprecated and not built anymore. The work I referred to used btxld to compress, and btxldr to uncompress the payload. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 4 14:39: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 506E137B6D1; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:38:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ddxmcc@aol.com) Received: from Ddxmcc@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id n.17.7c34f49 (3975); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:38:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Ddxmcc@aol.com Message-ID: <17.7c34f49.2693b35b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:38:35 EDT Subject: Re: Optimise for space -Os To: msmith@freebsd.org Cc: small@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 103 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >kzip is deprecated and not built anymore. The work I referred to used >btxld to compress, and btxldr to uncompress the payload. I wouldnt worry about it too much. Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 4 14:49:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-51.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7F637B8C5 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:49:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05742; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:57:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200007042157.OAA05742@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Ddxmcc@aol.com Cc: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Optimise for space -Os In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:38:35 EDT." <17.7c34f49.2693b35b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:57:12 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >kzip is deprecated and not built anymore. The work I referred to used > >btxld to compress, and btxldr to uncompress the payload. > > I wouldnt worry about it too much. Because? -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 4 16:55:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mimer.webgiro.com (mimer.webgiro.com [212.209.29.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A092037B9C8; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:55:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by mimer.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 66) id 570002DC0B; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 02:00:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DE95B7817; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:50:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1F710E17; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:50:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:50:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Mike Smith Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Optimise for space -Os In-Reply-To: <200007042108.OAA05404@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Jul 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > > There was also some work done on making the loader self-uncompressing, > > > which would cut it almost in half sizewise again; we've been trying to > > > get this code out of Robert Nordier, but he's been very quiet of late. > > > > This code is in the tree, and I use it... :-) `/usr/bin/kzip loader` > > kzip is deprecated and not built anymore. The work I referred to used > btxld to compress, and btxldr to uncompress the payload. Wait a sec... Now I remember I received a tarball from Robert once, and for sure it contained _another_ tool to do it.. What is the kgzldr.o stub for, then? I'll try to dig up that archive and see... Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jul 4 17:25:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-51.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5DA37B9C8 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:25:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06551; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:32:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200007050032.RAA06551@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Optimise for space -Os In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Jul 2000 01:50:30 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:32:33 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, 4 Jul 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > There was also some work done on making the loader self-uncompressing, > > > > which would cut it almost in half sizewise again; we've been trying to > > > > get this code out of Robert Nordier, but he's been very quiet of late. > > > > > > This code is in the tree, and I use it... :-) `/usr/bin/kzip loader` > > > > kzip is deprecated and not built anymore. The work I referred to used > > btxld to compress, and btxldr to uncompress the payload. > > Wait a sec... Now I remember I received a tarball from Robert once, and > for sure it contained _another_ tool to do it.. What is the kgzldr.o stub > for, then? That's kgzip, which is the new elf-aware replacement for kzip. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 5 0:10:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7E937B7B3 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e657ANP72268; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:10:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Dmitry Baranov Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Picobsd&snmpd In-Reply-To: <39622D7D.9899A644@stv.ee> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 4 Jul 2000, Dmitry Baranov wrote: > Does anybody has any experience in "porting" > UCD-snmp daemon on pico? > I tried with ver 3.5.3 and 4.1.2 with no success... > It gives me "out of swap message" and exits. This is your problem ... ucd-snmp is taking up too much memory on your system. PicoBSD doesn't allocate swap, so when you're out of RAM you're out of RAM. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 5 1:26:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hot.ee (hot.ee [194.126.101.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034EA37B653 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 01:26:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@stv.ee) Received: from www.stv.ee (www.stv.ee [195.50.193.34]) by hot.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18966; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:19:15 +0200 Received: from stv.ee (tasko.local.stv.ee [192.168.196.137]) by www.stv.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA43115; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:29:42 GMT Message-ID: <3962E288.21A1E4FF@stv.ee> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 10:23:52 +0300 From: Dmitry Baranov X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug White Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Picobsd&snmpd References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nope ! The system really has a LOT of memory so I am absolutely sure it isn't the real problem ! WBR Doug White wrote: > > On Tue, 4 Jul 2000, Dmitry Baranov wrote: > > > Does anybody has any experience in "porting" > > UCD-snmp daemon on pico? > > I tried with ver 3.5.3 and 4.1.2 with no success... > > It gives me "out of swap message" and exits. > > This is your problem ... ucd-snmp is taking up too much memory on your > system. PicoBSD doesn't allocate swap, so when you're out of RAM you're > out of RAM. > > Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve > dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Dmitry Baranov Phone: +(372) 6 056 502 STV Internet Fax: +(372) 6 056 425 Koorti 18 Mobile: +(372) 5 012 825 Tallinn, Estonia ------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 5 12:48:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from nbf-27.umd.edu (nbf-27.umd.edu [128.8.38.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB0337BA6A for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 12:48:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bfoz@glue.umd.edu) Received: from glue.umd.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nbf-27.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA48499 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 15:47:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bfoz@glue.umd.edu) Message-ID: <396390D9.A2E8E9CC@glue.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:47:37 -0400 From: Brandon Fosdick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: small@freebsd.org Subject: Real Time picoBSD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was sure this had been asked before but I couldn't find it in the archives. What kind of real time performance can one get with picoBSD? I've seen the real time extensions for FreeBSD, but I haven't found anyway to keep the kernel from preempting my RT processes. Are the RT extensions available in picoBSD? Can I set the kernel priority? -Brandon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jul 5 13:34:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17B937BE9C for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 13:34:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17662; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:34:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA43088; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 14:34:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200007052034.OAA43088@harmony.village.org> To: Brandon Fosdick Subject: Re: Real Time picoBSD? Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:47:37 EDT." <396390D9.A2E8E9CC@glue.umd.edu> References: <396390D9.A2E8E9CC@glue.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 14:34:25 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <396390D9.A2E8E9CC@glue.umd.edu> Brandon Fosdick writes: : What kind of real time performance can one get with picoBSD? I've seen : the real time extensions for FreeBSD, but I haven't found anyway to keep : the kernel from preempting my RT processes. Are the RT extensions : available in picoBSD? Can I set the kernel priority? At best, you can arrange fro pseudo real time stuff. There's the RTPRIO that you can run processes at, but this doesn't guarantee any sort of response time. In most of the systems I've designed, I've put the really time critical parts into the driver that talks to the hardware. So far this has worked, but I do know there are instances where it wouldn't. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jul 6 3:54:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from grz3.rz.fh-albsig.de (grz3.rz.fh-albsig.de [141.87.110.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D477E37B564 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 03:54:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorsten@trampisch.com) Received: from druide (druide.tin.fh-albsig.de [141.87.172.185]) by grz3.rz.fh-albsig.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02026 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:54:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:54:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Thorsten Trampisch X-Sender: trampith@druide.tin.fh-albsig.de Reply-To: Thorsten Trampisch To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Error on compiling picobsd(dial) with 3.3-RELEASE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I have the following problem. Via cvsup I got the sources of /usr/src/sys and /usr/src/release for my FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE Now when I try to build a dialup version of picobsd with the build script it crashes with the following messages: ... there are many of these crunchgen errors :-( ... crunchgen: /usr/src/release/picobsd/dial/crunch1/crunch1.conf: sysctl: ignoring program because of errors crunchgen: /usr/src/release/picobsd/dial/crunch1/crunch1.conf: umount: ignoring program because of errors crunchgen: /usr/src/release/picobsd/dial/crunch1/crunch1.conf: vidcontrol: ignoring program because of errors Run "make -f crunch1.mk objs exe" to build crunched binary. *** Error code 1 Stop. --> Error 1 code crunch Error while building ../dial/crunch1... -> Aborting ./stage1 Does anybody know, what goes wrong and can help to fix this problem Thanks Thorsten To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jul 6 7:57:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.mia.bellsouth.net (mail2.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.144.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA30737BA35 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:57:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from almacen@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-215-28-187.mia.bellsouth.net [209.215.28.187]) by mail2.mia.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id KAA12904 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39649DB2.4F489159@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:54:42 -0400 From: "O. Nunez de Villavicencio" Organization: The ONVA Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: es-ES,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe picobsd almacen@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jul 6 8:22:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.mia.bellsouth.net (mail3.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.144.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE2B37C3E1 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:22:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from almacen@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-215-28-187.mia.bellsouth.net [209.215.28.187]) by mail3.mia.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id LAA19285 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3964A377.DFFD2AC4@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:19:19 -0400 From: "O. Nunez de Villavicencio" Organization: The ONVA Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: es-ES,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-small almacen@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jul 6 9:46: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE1537C4E4 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:46:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e66GjtJ83038; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:45:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Thorsten Trampisch Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Error on compiling picobsd(dial) with 3.3-RELEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Thorsten Trampisch wrote: > Hello, > > I have the following problem. > Via cvsup I got the sources of /usr/src/sys and /usr/src/release for my > FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE > Now when I try to build a dialup version of picobsd with the build script > it crashes with the following messages: Um, you need an entire source tree to build PicoBSD. > ... > there are many of these crunchgen errors :-( > ... > crunchgen: /usr/src/release/picobsd/dial/crunch1/crunch1.conf: sysctl: ignoring program because of errors > crunchgen: /usr/src/release/picobsd/dial/crunch1/crunch1.conf: umount: ignoring program because of errors > crunchgen: /usr/src/release/picobsd/dial/crunch1/crunch1.conf: vidcontrol: ignoring program because of errors > Run "make -f crunch1.mk objs exe" to build crunched binary. > *** Error code 1 haven't seen that.. I think you snipped off the actual errors it was complaining about :( If you don't have all of /usr/src, get that first. If you do, try 'make clean' in /usr/src/, then run picobsd/build/clean dial to remove the rest, then try building it again. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jul 7 12:48:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mout1.freenet.de (mout1.freenet.de [194.97.50.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4AC37BE85 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:48:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ino-waiting@gmx.net) Received: from [62.104.201.2] (helo=mx1.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13Ae72-0008DA-00 for small@freebsd.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:48:36 +0200 Received: from a01de.pppool.de ([213.6.1.222] helo=spotteswoode.de) by mx1.freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13Ae6y-0001Sp-00 for small@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:48:35 +0200 Received: (qmail 3181 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 2000 19:47:07 -0000 From: "clemensF" Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 21:47:07 +0200 To: "Roberto Nunnari, AGIE" Cc: Luigi Rizzo , Roger Hardiman , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less Message-ID: <20000707214707.C3103@spotteswoode.de> References: <20000701163515.B2189@spotteswoode.de> <200007011531.RAA58118@info.iet.unipi.it> <20000704003601.I8091@spotteswoode.de> <3961B7F3.885946B2@agie.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3961B7F3.885946B2@agie.ch>; from roberto.Nunnari@agie.ch on Tue, Jul 04, 2000 at 11:09:55AM +0100 Organization: private X-PGP-ID: 0xD4685B88-4894C483/DH X-PGP-FPR: 0FAE 5F53 CEB9 49DE 9300 3035 D468 5B88 4894 C483 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Roberto Nunnari, AGIE: > You don't need X11 to have the consolle scroll... that's true, but only for the last few screens. this is enough for the occasional directory or none verbose compiler output, but do you really think you can do without any paging utility? be it like it is, people have demonstrated sh-functions to do the paging of stdin, so this debate can proceed to new adventures... clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 8 6:35:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF06D37B8B8 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 06:35:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p03-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.68]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id WAA24204; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:35:26 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3967284A.15774A0A@newsguy.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 22:10:34 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug White Cc: Roger Hardiman , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Optimise for space -Os References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug White wrote: > > Mike Smith is trying to prod me into getting rid of loader and go back to > gluing the MFS image in the kernel again. I hate that but the > write_mfs_in_kernel tool has reappeared under sysinstall's tree. Getting > rid of loader would buy back ~150KB on the disk. Making loader with -DNO_BOOTFORTH (or something similar -- you'll have to check the makefile) will buy you ~50 Kb, I suspect. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@the.great.underground.bsdconpiracy.org _DES: The Book of Bruce has only one sentence in it, and it says "the actual directives of my cult are left as an exercise for the reader. Good luck." jkh: does it really include the 'good luck' part? EE: OK, I made that part up. EE: I figured it should sound a bit more cheery than how Bruce initially dictated it to me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 8 6:35:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB9837C026 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 06:35:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p03-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.68]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id WAA24226; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:35:33 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <396728B0.83C5A7F0@newsguy.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 22:12:16 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: Doug White , Roger Hardiman , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Optimise for space -Os References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > I think it's fine for the truly embedded setups, which run on well-defined > hardware - they can use monolithic image. For installation floppies, or > portable dial-up tool, in my opinion it's better to still use the loader, > but without Forth, and instead of monolithic kernel build a pretty minimal > one + additional floppy/tarball with modules. Userconfig will be a loader program in the future, so installation floppies need the full deal. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@the.great.underground.bsdconpiracy.org _DES: The Book of Bruce has only one sentence in it, and it says "the actual directives of my cult are left as an exercise for the reader. Good luck." jkh: does it really include the 'good luck' part? EE: OK, I made that part up. EE: I figured it should sound a bit more cheery than how Bruce initially dictated it to me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 8 7: 6:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E0437C0E8 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 07:06:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p60-dn01kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [211.0.245.61]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id XAA01782; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:06:12 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <396731EE.55B19A46@newsguy.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 22:51:43 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roger Hardiman Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less References: <395DB4AF.33316E1A@cs.strath.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Roger Hardiman wrote: > > The 'more' command has now been removed from the FreeBSD 5.x and 4.x > source tree (was /src/usr.bin/more) > > The main FreeBSD source is now using GNU 'less' which is now part of the > main source tree at /usr/src/contrib/less. The old "more" was a very old "less". -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@the.great.underground.bsdconpiracy.org _DES: The Book of Bruce has only one sentence in it, and it says "the actual directives of my cult are left as an exercise for the reader. Good luck." jkh: does it really include the 'good luck' part? EE: OK, I made that part up. EE: I figured it should sound a bit more cheery than how Bruce initially dictated it to me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 8 11:48: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B64D37B8C1 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:48:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13038; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:47:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200007081847.LAA13038@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Optimise for space -Os In-Reply-To: <396728B0.83C5A7F0@newsguy.com> from "Daniel C. Sobral" at "Jul 8, 0 10:12:16 pm" To: dcs@newsguy.com (Daniel C. Sobral) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:47:43 -0700 (MST) Cc: abial@webgiro.com, dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, roger@cs.strath.ac.uk, small@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Andrzej Bialecki wrote: >> I think it's fine for the truly embedded setups, which run on >> well-defined hardware - they can use monolithic image. For >> installation floppies, or portable dial-up tool, in my opinion it's >> better to still use the loader, but without Forth, and instead of >> monolithic kernel build a pretty minimal one + additional >> floppy/tarball with modules. > > Userconfig will be a loader program in the future, so installation > floppies need the full deal. Would it be heresy to suggest that perhaps the base for PicoBSD might want to be 2.2-STABLE? Or perhaps 3.5-STABLE? It seems this thread is spending a lot of time pondering ways around bloat. Put another way, what features have been added to FreeBSD that the PicoBSDers need? Might it be easier to back port them to an earlier release rather than to disable/remove the features not needed from a current release?? Just food for thought... -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 8 12: 4:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38A637BC55 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:04:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13118; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:04:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200007081904.MAA13118@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: 'more' has gone from the 5.x/4.x sources. more is less In-Reply-To: <396731EE.55B19A46@newsguy.com> from "Daniel C. Sobral" at "Jul 8, 0 10:51:43 pm" To: dcs@newsguy.com (Daniel C. Sobral) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:04:23 -0700 (MST) Cc: roger@cs.strath.ac.uk, small@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Roger Hardiman wrote: > > The 'more' command has now been removed from the FreeBSD 5.x and 4.x > > source tree (was /src/usr.bin/more) > > > > The main FreeBSD source is now using GNU 'less' which is now part of the > > main source tree at /usr/src/contrib/less. > > The old "more" was a very old "less". Hmmm.... I just mounted my 4.4BSD-Lite distribution CD. In the directory /usr/src/old/more is the source (and man page, Makefile, etc.) for the original "more" version 5.28 dated 3/1/93. Anyone want a tarball? I'll put it on my server for a couple of days. ftp://ftp.dcfinc.com/pub/FreeBSD/old_more.tar -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jul 8 13:54:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mout0.freenet.de (mout0.freenet.de [194.97.50.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3EE37BD35 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:54:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ino-waiting@gmx.net) Received: from [194.97.50.135] (helo=mx2.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 13B1cf-0001W5-00 for small@freebsd.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2000 22:54:49 +0200 Received: from a044e.pppool.de ([213.6.4.78] helo=spotteswoode.de) by mx2.freenet.de with smtp (Exim 3.14 #3) id 13B1cc-00076f-00 for small@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 08 Jul 2000 22:54:48 +0200 Received: (qmail 511 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jul 2000 20:54:45 -0000 From: "clemensF" Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:54:45 +0200 To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , abial@webgiro.com, dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, roger@cs.strath.ac.uk, small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Optimise for space -Os Message-ID: <20000708225445.A506@spotteswoode.de> References: <396728B0.83C5A7F0@newsguy.com> <200007081847.LAA13038@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200007081847.LAA13038@freeway.dcfinc.com>; from chad@DCFinc.com on Sat, Jul 08, 2000 at 11:47:43AM -0700 Organization: private X-PGP-ID: 0xD4685B88-4894C483/DH X-PGP-FPR: 0FAE 5F53 CEB9 49DE 9300 3035 D468 5B88 4894 C483 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Chad R. Larson: > Would it be heresy to suggest that perhaps the base for PicoBSD > might want to be 2.2-STABLE? Or perhaps 3.5-STABLE? It seems this > thread is spending a lot of time pondering ways around bloat. freebsd 2.2.8, that's the ticket! clemens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message