From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Mar 6 2:21:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from flux.ptc.spbu.ru (flux.ptc.spbu.ru [195.19.225.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C49A37BD10 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 02:21:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uwe@flux.ptc.spbu.ru) Received: (from uwe@localhost) by flux.ptc.spbu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3/cf-1.0.rbl) id NAA06216 for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:21:32 +0300 (MSK) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:21:32 +0300 From: "Valeriy E. Ushakov" To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Sparc manuals now online! Message-ID: <20000306132132.B5793@flux.ptc.spbu.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org SY, Uwe -- uwe@ptc.spbu.ru | Zu Grunde kommen http://www.ptc.spbu.ru/~uwe/ | Ist zu Grunde gehen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Mar 6 9:38: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [207.154.84.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A7C137BE3F for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:38:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unfurl@magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 35833 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Mar 2000 17:37:58 -0000 Date: 6 Mar 2000 09:37:58 -0800 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:37:58 -0800 From: Bill Swingle To: "Valeriy E. Ushakov" Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc manuals now online! Message-ID: <20000306093758.A35645@dub.net> References: <20000306132132.B5793@flux.ptc.spbu.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000306132132.B5793@flux.ptc.spbu.ru>; from uwe@ptc.spbu.ru on Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 01:21:32PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Funny thing is, they list FreeBSD as running on the sparc. http://www.sparc.com/standards/sparc.os.html -Bill On Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 01:21:32PM +0300, Valeriy E. Ushakov wrote: > > > SY, Uwe > -- > uwe@ptc.spbu.ru | Zu Grunde kommen > http://www.ptc.spbu.ru/~uwe/ | Ist zu Grunde gehen > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message -- -=| --- B i l l S w i n g l e --- http://www.dub.net/ -=| unfurl@dub.net - unfurl@freebsd.org - bill@cdrom.com -=| Different all twisty a of in maze are you, passages little To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Mar 6 9:59:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C687D37BE13 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:59:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875E91CDE; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:59:20 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Bill Swingle Cc: "Valeriy E. Ushakov" , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc manuals now online! In-Reply-To: Message from Bill Swingle of "Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:37:58 PST." <20000306093758.A35645@dub.net> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 01:59:20 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20000306175920.875E91CDE@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Swingle wrote: > Funny thing is, they list FreeBSD as running on the sparc. > > http://www.sparc.com/standards/sparc.os.html I wonder if this is a leftover of the Ultrasparc port that one of the Sun guys did (or was working on) before the Great Sun Rationalization... > -Bill > > On Mon, Mar 06, 2000 at 01:21:32PM +0300, Valeriy E. Ushakov wrote: > > Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Mar 6 12:55:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from canonware.com (canonware.com [199.181.107.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EAB6C37BA53 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:55:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jasone@canonware.com) Received: (qmail 30593 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Mar 2000 20:54:24 -0000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 12:54:24 -0800 From: Jason Evans To: Peter Wemm Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc manuals now online! Message-ID: <20000306125424.M333@sturm.canonware.com> References: <20000306175920.875E91CDE@overcee.netplex.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000306175920.875E91CDE@overcee.netplex.com.au>; from peter@netplex.com.au on Tue, Mar 07, 2000 at 01:59:20AM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 07, 2000 at 01:59:20AM +0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > Bill Swingle wrote: > > Funny thing is, they list FreeBSD as running on the sparc. > > > > http://www.sparc.com/standards/sparc.os.html > > I wonder if this is a leftover of the Ultrasparc port that one of the Sun > guys did (or was working on) before the Great Sun Rationalization... No, it is simply a mistake on the part of whoever created the web page. Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Mar 6 14:16:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52E837BA4D for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:16:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id OAA03018; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:14:23 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id OAA02469; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 14:14:22 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id PAA10340; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:14:08 -0700 Message-ID: <38C42DB3.A5DA86B3@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 15:14:11 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Wemm Cc: Bill Swingle , "Valeriy E. Ushakov" , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc manuals now online! References: <20000306175920.875E91CDE@overcee.netplex.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Wemm wrote: > > Bill Swingle wrote: > > Funny thing is, they list FreeBSD as running on the sparc. > > > > http://www.sparc.com/standards/sparc.os.html > > I wonder if this is a leftover of the Ultrasparc port that one of the Sun > guys did (or was working on) before the Great Sun Rationalization... He works for Walnut Creek now. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Mar 9 23:46:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bsd4us.org (cn386092-a.newcas1.de.home.com [24.40.46.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 07B6B37B96E for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:46:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lyndon@bsd4us.org) Received: (qmail 11143 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Mar 2000 07:43:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 07:43:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 02:43:14 -0500 (EST) From: Lyndon Griffin To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: merger information Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org well, I don't really know anything outside of what is in the press release and what has been speculated on daemonnews and (shudder) slashdot. What I think I know is that, even though BSD/OS has a SPARC port, there is going to be a significant amount of time before that work can be merged into the FreeBSD tree, and there are going to be large portions of that work that need to be at least tweaked. It's a reasonable assumption (in fact, I think I read for sure) that merging will happen on the 4.x-CURRENT branch once a 4.0-STABLE branch has started. Also, I have no idea here, but I believe that we'll probably run across some encumbered code in the BSD/OS tree, which means that (unless you work for BSDi - I don't) you won't be able to see the code. I don't know how this will be addressed when there are instances that there is encumbered code and open-source code that overlap the same functionality (device drivers, for instance), but I would assume that in the tradition of FreeBSD being open-source software that by default the open-source pieces will be included in the dist, while the encumbered pieces will be available as binary downloads. The more I type this, the more questions I have. I hope that no one here gets discouraged from continuing work that is already begun: just having the port in release is only the first step. I would like to throw together a list of questions/concerns that we have and pose that list to Core - it will help us channel our future efforts into making FreeBSD/SPARC really exist. My first, and probably most important, question is this: when can we have access to the BSD/OS SPARC code so that we can get moving? Anyone else want to chime in? <:) Lyndon Griffin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Mar 10 0:31: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E605137B88E for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:30:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@d60-024.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.24]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA92787; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:30:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id AAA56542; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:31:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:31:12 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Lyndon Griffin Cc: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: merger information Message-ID: <20000310003111.B24381@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from lyndon@bsd4us.org on Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 02:43:14AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 02:43:14AM -0500, Lyndon Griffin wrote: > It's a reasonable assumption (in fact, I think I read for sure) that > merging will happen on the 4.x-CURRENT branch once a 4.0-STABLE branch > has started. It would be 5-CURRENT, once 4-CURRENT ==> 4-STABLE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Mar 10 0:47: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bsd4us.org (cn386092-a.newcas1.de.home.com [24.40.46.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BBCDB37B986 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 00:46:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lyndon@bsd4us.org) Received: (qmail 11261 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Mar 2000 08:43:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 08:43:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 03:43:30 -0500 (EST) From: Lyndon Griffin To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: merger information In-Reply-To: <20000310003111.B24381@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ooops... Forgive my momentary ignorance. You'ld think that someone that's been running FreeBSD since 2.2.5 would have figured out RELEASE/CURRENT/STABLE by now ;) <:) Lyndon On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, David O'Brien wrote: > On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 02:43:14AM -0500, Lyndon Griffin wrote: > > It's a reasonable assumption (in fact, I think I read for sure) that > > merging will happen on the 4.x-CURRENT branch once a 4.0-STABLE branch > > has started. > > It would be 5-CURRENT, once 4-CURRENT ==> 4-STABLE. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Mar 10 3:31:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34C737B9C7 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 03:31:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id MAA03325 for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 12:31:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA98818 for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:06:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: merger information Date: 10 Mar 2000 11:06:25 +0100 Message-ID: <8aahf1$30fq$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Lyndon Griffin wrote: > What I think I know is that, even though BSD/OS has a SPARC port, ^^^ I understand that BSD/OS *had* a SPARC port once, but AFAIK that has been retracted from their commercial offerings for years. Is it still functional at all? -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Mar 10 3:58:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bsd4us.org (cn386092-a.newcas1.de.home.com [24.40.46.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 727E937B9CD for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 03:58:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lyndon@bsd4us.org) Received: (qmail 11507 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Mar 2000 11:55:20 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 11:55:20 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:55:20 -0500 (EST) From: Lyndon Griffin To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: merger information In-Reply-To: <8aahf1$30fq$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Now that you ask, I'm not sure exactly what the status of the SPARC version of BSD/OS is - but the press release *is* touting that the new company will "deliver its BSD Internet and networking technologies on leading microprocessor platforms, including Intel, SPARC, Alpha, PowerPC, and StrongARM." Futhermore, as of Internet Super Server 4.0, the FAQ on BSDi's site indicates that SPARC and PowerPC ports are in the works for shrink-wrapped versions, and it also implies that large corporations can make case-by-case arrangements to get these architectures. <:) Lyndon On 10 Mar 2000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Lyndon Griffin wrote: > > > What I think I know is that, even though BSD/OS has a SPARC port, > ^^^ > I understand that BSD/OS *had* a SPARC port once, but AFAIK that > has been retracted from their commercial offerings for years. Is > it still functional at all? > > -- > Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Mar 10 6:15: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from flux.ptc.spbu.ru (flux.ptc.spbu.ru [195.19.225.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DA737BA1F for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:14:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uwe@snark.ptc.spbu.ru) Received: from snark.ptc.spbu.ru (snark.ptc.spbu.ru [195.19.225.131]) by flux.ptc.spbu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3/cf-1.0.rbl) with ESMTP id RAA69980 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:14:52 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from uwe@localhost) by snark.ptc.spbu.ru (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id RAA03215 for freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:14:49 +0300 (MSK) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:14:49 +0300 From: "Valeriy E. Ushakov" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: merger information Message-ID: <20000310171449.A3210@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> References: <8aahf1$30fq$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <8aahf1$30fq$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de>; from Christian Weisgerber on Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 11:06:25AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 11:06:25AM +0100, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > What I think I know is that, even though BSD/OS has a SPARC port, > ^^^ > I understand that BSD/OS *had* a SPARC port once, but AFAIK that > has been retracted from their commercial offerings for years. Is > it still functional at all? At least refers to e/BSD from BSDI. Anyway, BSDI has Chris Torek, and he is the one who did the original port of 4.4BSD to SPARC. SY, Uwe -- uwe@ptc.spbu.ru | Zu Grunde kommen http://www.ptc.spbu.ru/~uwe/ | Ist zu Grunde gehen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Mar 10 6:37:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bsd4us.org (cn386092-a.newcas1.de.home.com [24.40.46.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9839137BD1D for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 06:37:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lyndon@bsd4us.org) Received: (qmail 11698 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Mar 2000 14:34:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 14:34:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 09:34:11 -0500 (EST) From: Lyndon Griffin To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: merger information In-Reply-To: <20000310171449.A3210@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org e/BSD - ahah, yes - I forgot to check out the embedded systems. BSDi does have support for PPC and SPARC in this area, and I do believe that the embedded SPARC chips that are out there are all V8 or older (no 64-bit). Can anyone answer that? I know that there was a recent new addition to Sun's lineup for IAs, which is a 32 bit chip. <:) Lyndon On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Valeriy E. Ushakov wrote: > On Fri, Mar 10, 2000 at 11:06:25AM +0100, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > > > What I think I know is that, even though BSD/OS has a SPARC port, > > ^^^ > > I understand that BSD/OS *had* a SPARC port once, but AFAIK that > > has been retracted from their commercial offerings for years. Is > > it still functional at all? > > At least > refers to e/BSD from BSDI. > > Anyway, BSDI has Chris Torek, and he is the one who did the original > port of 4.4BSD to SPARC. > > SY, Uwe > -- > uwe@ptc.spbu.ru | Zu Grunde kommen > http://www.ptc.spbu.ru/~uwe/ | Ist zu Grunde gehen > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Mar 10 7: 2:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489B837BA11 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:02:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA47963; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:01:35 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:01:35 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Lyndon Griffin Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: merger information In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Lyndon Griffin wrote: > e/BSD - ahah, yes - I forgot to check out the embedded systems. BSDi does > have support for PPC and SPARC in this area, and I do believe that the > embedded SPARC chips that are out there are all V8 or older (no > 64-bit). Can anyone answer that? I know that there was a recent new > addition to Sun's lineup for IAs, which is a 32 bit chip. > Could easily be. But that doesn't matter much, unless the sparc and ppc ports are kept as 'value-add' goodies. > <:) Lyndon > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Mar 10 10:17:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E02837BA86 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:17:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id KAA29468; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:16:33 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id KAA19059; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:16:30 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id LAA10288; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:16:03 -0700 Message-ID: <38C93BFB.8953AE71@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:16:27 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lyndon Griffin Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: merger information References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Lyndon Griffin wrote: > > I would like to throw together a list of questions/concerns that we have > and pose that list to Core - it will help us channel our future efforts > into making FreeBSD/SPARC really exist. My first, and probably most > important, question is this: when can we have access to the BSD/OS SPARC > code so that we can get moving? Anyone else want to chime in? Be patient. The BSD/OS SPARC support will be releasable, and support for some yummy things like SMP on the E-x50 and E-x500 chassis. A port of the FreeBSD userland to NetBSD-SPARC remains the best starting step at this time. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Mar 10 10:18: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222D737BA10 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:17:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id KAA29484; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:17:18 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id KAA19098; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:17:16 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id LAA10293; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:16:56 -0700 Message-ID: <38C93C2F.8F10E1FD@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 11:17:19 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: merger information References: <8aahf1$30fq$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > Lyndon Griffin wrote: > > > What I think I know is that, even though BSD/OS has a SPARC port, > ^^^ > I understand that BSD/OS *had* a SPARC port once, but AFAIK that > has been retracted from their commercial offerings for years. Is > it still functional at all? Yes, they just removed it from their public "Internet Super Sever" product because it wasn't selling. They have embedded customers using SPARC and other processors. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Mar 10 14: 9:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bsd4us.org (cn386092-a.newcas1.de.home.com [24.40.46.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 685E837BD3B for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 14:08:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swilson@mail.bsd4us.org) Received: (qmail 12260 invoked by uid 1001); 10 Mar 2000 22:05:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 22:05:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:05:44 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Wilson To: Wes Peters Cc: Lyndon Griffin , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: merger information In-Reply-To: <38C93BFB.8953AE71@softweyr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I agree with Mr. Peters. Personally, I think the BSDi/Core groups are going to be going through a lot of talking for a while here talking about how to best integrate the systems, and I'm sure one of the big topics they are going to cover is hardware architecture support. I don't know that this group would be of too much help there. However, once they have ironed out a lot of their plans and start getting down to work, I'm sure all of us would be greatly interested in helping them with coding/testing. It would be great to see a bunch of the BSDi guys subscribe to this group. And stuff... But, since they probably aren't going to be ready for that just yet (and rightfully so), the best thing we can do is begin work on the userland stuff. I really see that as where we can get the most bang for the buck until a lot of this noise has settled. What do you guys think? sw On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Wes Peters wrote: > Lyndon Griffin wrote: > > > > I would like to throw together a list of questions/concerns that we have > > and pose that list to Core - it will help us channel our future efforts > > into making FreeBSD/SPARC really exist. My first, and probably most > > important, question is this: when can we have access to the BSD/OS SPARC > > code so that we can get moving? Anyone else want to chime in? > > Be patient. The BSD/OS SPARC support will be releasable, and support > for some yummy things like SMP on the E-x50 and E-x500 chassis. A > port of the FreeBSD userland to NetBSD-SPARC remains the best starting > step at this time. > > -- > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > > Wes Peters Softweyr LLC > wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Mar 10 22:10:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.krystal.com (mail.krystal.com [198.102.241.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8766337B86E for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 22:10:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from prb@krystal.com) Received: from krystal.com (16699365545282259305@krystal.com [198.102.241.238]) by mail.krystal.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA19846; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:10:26 -0600 (CST) Received: by krystal.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id AAA26472; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:10:25 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:10:25 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200003110610.AAA26472@krystal.com> To: Wes Peters Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG From: Paul Borman Subject: Re: merger information Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org BSD/OS 4.1 for Sparc has just entered the first limited round of betas. UUNET has been running BSD/OS on Sparc hardware for a number of years. 4.1 supports up through UltraSPARC V9, though PCI based machines are not yet supported (that work is underway). I have no release schedule information, however. As has been mentioned, it will be some time to sort things out. The best and more reliable information thus far has been the Press Release. Clearly more information will be needed :-) Just a note, I am not a subscriber to this list, I was just browsing this evening. I thought the above might be useful to you. There is probably not a whole lot else I could provide at this time. -Paul Borman BSDI Engineering To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Mar 10 23:42:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD9637B5CB for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:42:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (wes@homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15761; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:42:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <38C9F8FB.EF9F863B@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:42:51 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Borman Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: merger information References: <200003110610.AAA26472@krystal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paul Borman wrote: > > BSD/OS 4.1 for Sparc has just entered the first limited round of betas. > UUNET has been running BSD/OS on Sparc hardware for a number of years. > 4.1 supports up through UltraSPARC V9, though PCI based machines are > not yet supported (that work is underway). I have no release schedule > information, however. > > As has been mentioned, it will be some time to sort things out. The > best and more reliable information thus far has been the Press Release. > Clearly more information will be needed :-) > > Just a note, I am not a subscriber to this list, I was just browsing > this evening. I thought the above might be useful to you. There is > probably not a whole lot else I could provide at this time. Thank you, Paul, that is useful information. My observation remains, the best course anyone interested can pursue at this moment is to begin to port the FreeBSD userland tools to NetBSD-SPARC in preparation for the kernel work. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message