From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Aug 27 0:21:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from netplex.com.au (adsl-63-207-30-186.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.207.30.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D630B37B42C; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netplex.com.au (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by netplex.com.au (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e7R7L6G27398; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:21:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <200008270721.e7R7L6G27398@netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Peter Pentchev Cc: Robert Watson , Mike Smith , Brian Fundakowski Feldman , Darren Reed , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , root@ihack.net, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Competition In-Reply-To: <20000823180039.G63286@ringwraith.office1.bg> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 00:21:06 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Pentchev wrote: > On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 10:51:03AM -0400, Robert Watson wrote: > [snip Robert Watson quoting Mike Smith] > > > > Actually, the check of the "helo" field is something I'd like removed: it > > makes life very difficult for hosts behind NATs without proper SMTP > > proxies (such as default installs of our natd, which does not include an > > SMTP proxy :-). It's not possible to send-pr from internal machines > > behind my NAT without having world-visible DNS names for all my internal > > machines. > > So configure your MTA to send the NAT proxy address in the HELO; this might > make other MTA's on your LAN unhappy, but the world outside sees a kosher > HELO with the exact hostname of the host it's coming from. For what it's worth, the HELO check is for a hostname that *resolves* to something, not an exact hostname == connecting host match. If you said 'HELO whitehouse.gov' it would be accepted. Incidently, I'm a firm believer that non-reachable hosts shouldn't be involved in SMTP sending at all. The simplest and most reliable way this should be done is to transparently proxy any outbound SMTP attempts to a local externally visible mail gateway. This is doubly important for dialup ISP's who desperately need to transparently proxy *both* inbound and outbound connections. This 1) severely cramps the style of folks who would use the dialups for SMTP relay searching and 3rd party relay abuse, and 2) stops 3rd parties from abusing open SMTP servers on your dialups and getting you in trouble with open-relay list folks. As an example of what I mean by transparent relaying for SMTP, try: telnet 216.226.198.10 smtp telnet 216.226.198.11 smtp telnet 216.226.198.12 smtp etc. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Aug 27 17:40:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EE337B422; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA379582; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:39:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <16475.967112881@winston.osd.bsdi.com> References: <16475.967112881@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:39:40 -0400 To: Jordan Hubbard , Wes Peters From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: Integration of Net/OpenBSD code (was Re: your mail) Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Darren Reed , mjacob@feral.com, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 3:28 AM -0700 8/24/00, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > Yes, yes, yes. The order of importance varies widely, but the above > > three would pretty much cover the bases. Anyone interested in doing > >OK, and in what order would you personally rank them? [jkh puts Wes on >the spot with a question he's still trying to answer for himself]. :-) Okay, I'll vote for PPC, based on nothing more than I have some G3 and G4 powermacs (both at home and here at work). I'll admit that isn't much of a market analysis... :-) --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Aug 27 17:46:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E425837B423; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeppo.feral.com (IDENT:mjacob@zeppo [192.67.166.71]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20614; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:44:52 -0700 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:41:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Garance A Drosihn Cc: Jordan Hubbard , Wes Peters , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Darren Reed , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Integration of Net/OpenBSD code (was Re: your mail) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Okay, I'll vote for PPC, based on nothing more than I have some G3 > and G4 powermacs (both at home and here at work). I'll admit that > isn't much of a market analysis... :-) As a side FYI- NetBSD also runs on the G4. So does YellowDog Linux. I just made sure the Qlogic driver I have runs on the latter on a G4 (it does). I have some pending patches for NetBSD in this area too. This is one snappy little sucker- really *nice* mechanicals. But in terms of what FreeBSD ought to port to for both it's current and future customers? That's a stretch. The Apple folks might like us, but the sparc server market is much more important. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Aug 27 20: 8:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from homer.softweyr.com (bsdconspiracy.net [208.187.122.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A8B37B446; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=softweyr.com ident=Fools trust ident!) by homer.softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13TFNs-0000Lo-00; Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:14:52 -0600 Message-ID: <39A9D92B.F6BA5C29@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:14:51 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1-RC i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garance A Drosihn Cc: Jordan Hubbard , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Darren Reed , mjacob@feral.com, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Integration of Net/OpenBSD code (was Re: your mail) References: <16475.967112881@winston.osd.bsdi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Garance A Drosihn wrote: > > At 3:28 AM -0700 8/24/00, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > Yes, yes, yes. The order of importance varies widely, but the above > > > three would pretty much cover the bases. Anyone interested in doing > > > >OK, and in what order would you personally rank them? [jkh puts Wes on > >the spot with a question he's still trying to answer for himself]. :-) > > Okay, I'll vote for PPC, based on nothing more than I have some G3 > and G4 powermacs (both at home and here at work). I'll admit that > isn't much of a market analysis... :-) I must've missed Jordan's direct question. Personally? PowerPC, since we have a customer WAITING for that, then MIPS, because we have several prospective customers who already use it, followed by StrongARM, because we have three notable prospective customers who have asked about it. While we're at it, let's start with PowerPC on the MBX board, since that's so close to what I need. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message