From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 21 9: 1:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from node1.persia-mail.com (unknown [61.11.248.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9076837B400 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from z9h5k9 (61.11.248.139 [61.11.248.139]) by node1.persia-mail.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id DLVPJ81D; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:28:39 +0330 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "PUBLIC" <> From: znc@persia-mail.com Subject: TRADING Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="divider" Message-Id: <20010121170100.9076837B400@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 09:01:00 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --divider Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear manager please let me know the field of your activity. If you have any catalog, please send me one. My address: P.O.Box 14155 - 5841 Tehran, Iran Tel & Fax: +9821 742 4714 Jan 19, 2001 Yours sincerely, F. Shahbazi --divider-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 21 16:36:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r12.mx.aol.com (imo-r12.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC87537B401 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:36:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com by imo-r12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id n.cc.fa7fdcc (4597) for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:35:55 -0500 (EST) From: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:35:54 EST Subject: another "linux vs fbsd" post To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 59 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hey guys i know why fbsd is better than linux: the mascot! the daemon is awesome it is representative of processes that run in the backround which means it actually has meaning, and it looks so cool, i can't think of a better mascot! The penguin is gay! screw that thing! a little gay looking penguin that is stupid it is gay! (another joke post) later To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 21 18:13:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hecky.it.northwestern.edu (hecky.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D447337B6B9 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 18:13:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by hecky.it.northwestern.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA16217; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:13:16 -0600 (CST) Received: from euphoria.confusion.net (dhcp089069.res-hall.nwu.edu [199.74.89.69]) by hecky.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma016174; Sun, 21 Jan 01 20:13:00 -0600 Message-ID: <3A6B96BF.D2023497@euphoria.confusion.net> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:11:11 -0600 From: Laurence Berland X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another "linux vs fbsd" post References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG was it your mother or your father who dropped you on your head as a child? GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com wrote: > > hey guys i know why fbsd is better than linux: the mascot! > the daemon is awesome it is representative of processes that run in the > backround which means it actually has meaning, and it looks so cool, i can't > think of a better mascot! > > The penguin is gay! screw that thing! a little gay looking penguin that is > stupid it is gay! > (another joke post) > later > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Laurence Berland Intern, Flooz.com Northwestern '04 stuyman@confusion.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 21 22:58:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130E137B402 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 22:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id n.d3.f75559f (4183) for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 01:58:21 -0500 (EST) From: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 01:58:20 EST Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs linux (some venting) To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 59 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sir what you describe is a problem of your own, not of FreeBSD's > My frustration with OS doesnt end there, FBSD has proven to have it's draw back's as well. Namely my >current lack of sucess in getting my internet connection up and running, along with my Xwin looking weird >and me not being able to play my music CD in Xwin (something about permissions). The fact that you can not figure out how to get your internet connection working is not a drawback of freebsd sir. i can point you to many many documents describing how to get an internet connection in freebsd for example: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook.html you will find a very nice section on setting up ppp etc, and if you are setting up dsl/cable there is much documention at: http://www.freebsddiary.org if you think freebsd lacks documentation go to http://www.google.com and type in "freebsd" and hit enter you will see the opposite is true thank you sir To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 22 2:27:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r19.mx.aol.com (imo-r19.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803FF37B698 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 02:27:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com by imo-r19.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id n.74.7108f2c (4183) for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 05:26:59 -0500 (EST) From: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com Message-ID: <74.7108f2c.279d64f2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 05:26:58 EST Subject: Re: FreeBSD versus Linux To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 59 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a message dated 1/22/01 3:41:36 AM Central Standard Time, cliff@raggedclown.net writes: << Linux is a UNIX lookalike operating system. It was written from scratch (more or less) as a project at a University on or around 1990. It has since grown way beyond that. Having said that from a user perspective it is as much like "real" Unix as anything else with that claim. >> Sir i must disagree with you there: as you said BSD was around allmost at the beggining of UNIX, in fact anyone who knows there history will tell you without BSD's contributions UNIX may have died out, BSD has the sweetest network stack in the biz, hell BSD damn near invented TCP/IP, BSD is a direct decendant of AT&T UNIX, and is not called UNIX because of copyright issues. Linux was developed totally from the ground up. It contains not one stich of UNIX code nor did Linus have any around to base it on. Saying it has just as much a right to be called UNIX as FreeBSD is simply an inaccurate statement To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 22 3: 2:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from gwdu60.gwdg.de (gwdu60.gwdg.de [134.76.98.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F275937B400 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:02:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (kheuer@localhost) by gwdu60.gwdg.de (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f0MB2K521334; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:02:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kheuer@gwdu60.gwdg.de) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 12:02:20 +0100 (CET) From: Konrad Heuer To: Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD versus Linux In-Reply-To: <74.7108f2c.279d64f2@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/22/01 3:41:36 AM Central Standard Time, > cliff@raggedclown.net writes: > > << Linux is a UNIX lookalike operating system. It was written from scratc= h > (more or less) as a project at a University on or around 1990. It has > since grown way beyond that. Having said that from a user perspective > it is as much like "real" Unix as anything else with that claim. >> > > Sir i must disagree with you there: > as you said BSD was around allmost at the beggining of UNIX, in fact anyo= ne > who knows there history will tell you without BSD's contributions UNIX ma= y > have died out, > BSD has the sweetest network stack in the biz, hell BSD damn near invente= d > TCP/IP, BSD is a direct decendant of AT&T UNIX, and is not called UNIX > because of copyright issues. > > Linux was developed totally from the ground up. It contains not one stich= of > UNIX code nor did Linus have any around to base it on. Saying it has just= as > much a right to be called UNIX as FreeBSD is simply an inaccurate stateme= nt I agree. The influence of BSD on modern UNIX has been very strong. BSD and System V UNIX have been a model for Linus Thorvalds. Regards Konrad Heuer Personal Bookmarks: Gesellschaft f=FCr wissenschaftliche Datenverarbeitung mbH G=D6ttingen http://www.freebsd.org Am Fa=DFberg, D-37077 G=D6ttingen http://www.daemonnews.o= rg Deutschland (Germany) kheuer@gwdu60.gwdg.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 25 9: 2:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from stox.sa.enteract.com (stox.sa.enteract.com [207.229.132.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4E137B698 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stox@localhost) by stox.sa.enteract.com (8.11.2/8.9.3) id f0PGcce12272 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:38:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stox) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:38:38 -0600 (CST) Organization: Imaginary Landscape, LLC. From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Unix Review looking for articles on FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I received this as part of a mailing from Unix Review, I thought someone might be interested. ;-) ==CLIP== UnixReview.com is looking for contributors to write feature articles. See the list below for suggested topics, or contact us with your own article ideas. * FreeBSD ^^^^^^^^^^ * Storage Area Networks * Linux performance tuning * Java * Open Source Development * Systems Management * Web Security Issues * Embedded Linux Contact Christi Bear (cbear@cmp.com) with proposals for articles, press releases, or general questions about the publication process. ==CLIP== ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Kenneth P. Stox Date: 25-Jan-01 Time: 10:35:15 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 25 14:11:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC87537B400 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id n.71.a38f915 (7866) for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:10:38 -0500 (EST) From: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com Message-ID: <71.a38f915.27a1fe5e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:10:38 EST Subject: OpenBSD and FreeBSD To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 59 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG he guys i was getting mad lately because alot of BSD newbies are choosing openbsd because they say it is "more secure" and do not realize that FreeBSD spends more time improving the overall OS than on security and for a regular server/workstation in my opinion is better i realize alot of these people may be script kiddie crackers who like security but what can we do (if you even want to lol) to stop this stereotype that OpenBSD is the same as FreeBSD and also more secure To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 25 14:20: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from epsilon.lucida.ca (epsilon.lucida.ca [216.95.146.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4ABC037B401 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:19:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 89140 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Jan 2001 22:19:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Jan 2001 22:19:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:19:47 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Heckaman To: Cc: Subject: Re: OpenBSD and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <71.a38f915.27a1fe5e@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost 1.6.2 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Get used to it. :) To be fair, OpenBSD has done tons of auditing in their system, and tend to take a more minimalistic approach which is great for their purpose. I do think that their mythos has gone a tad too far though. If we drop the ports tree, which isn't really a part of "The OS", I can't really say that I've seen less OpenBSD advisories than FreeBSD ones, lately things have seem to be affecting everyone. (format bugs, et al). Kris & the Security Team have done a great job with security as well, just look at the amount of ports advisories we've been saying. Some may say, "that's insecure" but I sleep better at night knowing there are people out there who care about port security and all. Thanks Kris & team. :) We need more PR. Matt On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com wrote: : he guys i was getting mad lately because alot of BSD newbies are choosing : openbsd because they say it is "more secure" and do not realize that FreeBSD : spends more time improving the overall OS than on security and for a regular : server/workstation in my opinion is better i realize alot of these people may : be script kiddie crackers who like security but what can we do (if you even : want to lol) to stop this stereotype that OpenBSD is the same as FreeBSD and : also more secure * Matt Heckaman - mailto:matt@lucida.ca http://www.lucida.ca/pgp * * GPG fingerprint - 53CA 8320 C8F6 32ED 9DDF 036E 3171 C093 4AD3 1364 * -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: http://www.lucida.ca/pgp iD8DBQE6cKaEMXHAk0rTE2QRArN/AJ9JqcWwXNjSKsBOERewexB/0lqGHQCgjENe 1+NdqN1MdV/9ueEX9u+x96Y= =6Wtr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jan 26 3: 0:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from dehumanizer.meganet.pt (hyperion.meganet.pt [194.38.131.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA7137B401 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 03:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by dehumanizer.meganet.pt (Postfix, from userid 501) id 864961F0A7; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:53:35 +0000 (WET) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:53:35 +0000 From: Pedro Timoteo To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenBSD and FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010126105335.A12152@meganet.pt> References: <71.a38f915.27a1fe5e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <71.a38f915.27a1fe5e@aol.com>; from GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com on Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 05:10:38PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 05:10:38PM -0500, GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com wrote: > he guys i was getting mad lately because alot of BSD newbies are choosing > openbsd because they say it is "more secure" Put it this way: both OSs are 1) much more secure than any Linux distro, and 2) so secure that any security problems your friends have will be caused by their own mistakes, not OS bugs. :) -- --- Pedro Timoteo --- pedro.timoteo@oni.pt --- OniSolutions --- ext: 5364 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jan 27 23:32:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from homer.softweyr.com (bsdconspiracy.net [208.187.122.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656D637B402 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:32:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=softweyr.com ident=Fools trust ident!) by homer.softweyr.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14MAmX-0000Dp-00; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:27:21 -0700 Message-ID: <3A719759.78D23ACA@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 08:27:21 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pedro Timoteo Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenBSD and FreeBSD References: <71.a38f915.27a1fe5e@aol.com> <20010126105335.A12152@meganet.pt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Pedro Timoteo wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 05:10:38PM -0500, GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com wrote: > > he guys i was getting mad lately because alot of BSD newbies are choosing > > openbsd because they say it is "more secure" > > Put it this way: both OSs are 1) much more secure than any Linux distro, > and 2) so secure that any security problems your friends have will be > caused by their own mistakes, not OS bugs. :) OpenBSD is more secure *out of the box*. The default FreeBSD installation aims to be more like what most people would want inside their own secure network. Either can be configured like the other with relatively little work. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message