From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Mar 29 16:48:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bishopston.net (catflap.bishopston.net [24.67.101.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3A737B71D for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:48:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamie@bishopston.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by bishopston.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA66087 for Freebsd-Advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:48:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:48:41 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Jones Message-Id: <200103300048.BAA66087@bishopston.net> To: Freebsd-Advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD 5th in survey of used Linux distributions ! Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "The Register" reports on a survey conducted amongst Web Developers regarding the Linux distributions they use: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/17973.html The survey iteself, carried out by Evans-Data is linked from the article, and is at: http://www.evansdata.com/dist.htm Interestingly, FreeBSD came 5th(!) Here is an email I sent the author of the "Register" article, Andrew Orlowski : | From: Jamie Jones | Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:38:51 +0100 (BST) | Message-Id: <200103300038.BAA59062@bishopston.net> | To: andrew.orlowski@theregister.co.uk | Subject: RE: 'Forgotten' distros stealing Linux developers' mindshare | | > SuSE and Mandrake come joint second, a nose ahead of Caldera and FreeBSD. | | Interesting how FreeBSD came so high, considering it *isn't* a Linux | distribution - it's a Free version of the BSD operating system, and has | nothing to do with Linux (see www.freebsd.org) | | I remember a quiz show where 100 members of the public had been polled | to name a word beginning with "Z", and the contestants had to guess the | top 5 answers. They didn't get the last one on the list - "Xylophone", | with 3 votes! | | I wonder how highly FreeBSD would have faired if the question had been | "Which distributions are being used?" rather than "Which Linux | distributions are being used?" | | Regards, | Jamie Cheers, Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Mar 29 21:35:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from stox.sa.enteract.com (stox.sa.enteract.com [207.229.132.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22CF37B71D for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:34:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stox@stox.sa.enteract.com) Received: (from stox@localhost) by stox.sa.enteract.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2U5VHK44436 for Freebsd-Advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:31:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stox) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200103300048.BAA66087@bishopston.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 23:29:56 -0600 (CST) Organization: Imaginary Landscape, LLC. From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Freebsd-Advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: FreeBSD 5th in survey of used Linux distributions ! Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 30-Mar-01 Jamie Jones wrote: > http://www.evansdata.com/dist.htm And once again, we manage to aim the gun straight at our feet, and fire! :-( "It has been brought to our attention that FreeBSD is not a Linux distribution. The data was revised to exclude FreeBSD, and the numbers above reflect the corrections. We apologize for the mistake." FreeBSD, the other white meat. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 30 2:30:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from klapaucius.zer0.org (klapaucius.zer0.org [204.152.186.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3435437B719 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:30:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: by klapaucius.zer0.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0F7BF239A53; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:30:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:30:12 -0800 From: Gregory Sutter To: "Kenneth P. Stox" Cc: Freebsd-Advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5th in survey of used Linux distributions ! Message-ID: <20010330023012.G77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> References: <200103300048.BAA66087@bishopston.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from stox@imagescape.com on Thu, Mar 29, 2001 at 11:29:56PM -0600 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-03-29 23:29 -0600, "Kenneth P. Stox" wrote: > On 30-Mar-01 Jamie Jones wrote: > > > > http://www.evansdata.com/dist.htm > > And once again, we manage to aim the gun straight at our feet, and > fire! :-( > > "It has been brought to our attention that FreeBSD is not a Linux > distribution. The data was revised to exclude FreeBSD, and the numbers > above reflect the corrections. We apologize for the mistake." Argh. That's even more unscientific than the original survey. Perhaps, in the name of not-entirely-ridiculous science, Evans Data could be persuaded to include the FreeBSD numbers in another table, with a short explanatory paragraph. At least the stories are still up: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/17973.html http://www.businesswire.com/webbox/bw.032801/210870525.htm Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter The process of scientific discovery mailto:gsutter@zer0.org is, in effect, a continual flight http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ from wonder. --Albert Einstein hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net/0x845DFEDD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 30 3:32: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7463B37B71B for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 03:32:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2UBVak58657; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 03:31:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Gregory Sutter" , "Kenneth P. Stox" Cc: Subject: RE: FreeBSD 5th in survey of used Linux distributions ! Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 03:31:36 -0800 Message-ID: <000101c0b90c$fab0a2c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20010330023012.G77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Go to the second URL listed here and there is an E-mail address for Evans Data there, and send them an e-mail requesting that the FreeBSD data be put back in. I just did it and if there's enouhg feedback they may do it. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Gregory Sutter >Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 2:30 AM >To: Kenneth P. Stox >Cc: Freebsd-Advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5th in survey of used Linux distributions ! > > >On 2001-03-29 23:29 -0600, "Kenneth P. Stox" wrote: >> On 30-Mar-01 Jamie Jones wrote: >> > >> > http://www.evansdata.com/dist.htm >> >> And once again, we manage to aim the gun straight at our feet, and >> fire! :-( >> >> "It has been brought to our attention that FreeBSD is not a Linux >> distribution. The data was revised to exclude FreeBSD, and the numbers >> above reflect the corrections. We apologize for the mistake." > >Argh. That's even more unscientific than the original survey. >Perhaps, in the name of not-entirely-ridiculous science, Evans >Data could be persuaded to include the FreeBSD numbers in >another table, with a short explanatory paragraph. > >At least the stories are still up: > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/17973.html >http://www.businesswire.com/webbox/bw.032801/210870525.htm > >Greg >-- >Gregory S. Sutter The process of scientific discovery >mailto:gsutter@zer0.org is, in effect, a continual flight >http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ from wonder. --Albert Einstein >hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net/0x845DFEDD > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 30 4: 3:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9044A37B719 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 04:03:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f2UC3Cq78031 ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:03:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id OAA22282 ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:03:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:03:12 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Gregory Sutter , "Kenneth P. Stox" , Freebsd-Advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5th in survey of used Linux distributions ! Message-ID: <20010330140312.L11228@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Ted Mittelstaedt , Gregory Sutter , "Kenneth P. Stox" , Freebsd-Advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010330023012.G77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> <000101c0b90c$fab0a2c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000101c0b90c$fab0a2c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com>; from tedm@toybox.placo.com on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 03:31:36AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ted Mittelstaedt said on Mar 30, 2001 at 03:31:36: > Go to the second URL listed here and there is an E-mail > address for Evans Data there, and send them an e-mail requesting > that the FreeBSD data be put back in. I just did it and if there's > enouhg feedback they may do it. It's hit slashdot now so I think they'll get plenty of feedback... Rahul -- /* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. Hannum */ /* */ /* Usage is: cat title-key scrambled.vob | efdtt >clear.vob */ #define K(i)(x[i]^s[i+84])<< unsigned char x[5],y,z,s[2048];main(n){for(read(0,x,5);read(0,s,n=2048);write(1 ,s,n))if(s[y=s[13]%8+20]/16%4==1){int i=K(1)17^256+K(0)8,k=K(2)0,j=K(4)17^K(3)9 ^k*2-k%8^8,a=0,b=0,c=26;for(s[y]-=16;--c;i/=2,j/=2)a=a*2^i&1,b=b*2^j&1;for(j= 127;++jy)a^=a>>14,a=a>>8^(y=a^a*8^a<<6)<<9,b=b>>8^(z=b^b/8^b>>4^b>>12) <<17,i=s[j],i="7Wo~'G_\216"[i&7]+2^"cr3sfw6v;*k+>/n."[i>>4]*2^i*257/8,s[j]=i^(i &i*2&34)*6^z+c+~y;}} To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 30 10:48: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bsdconspiracy.net (bsdconspiracy.net [208.187.122.220]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05F737B71B; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:47:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from zaphod.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.35] helo=softweyr.com ident=wes) by bsdconspiracy.net with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #1) id 14j3FQ-0006Cg-00; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:03:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3AC4D468.C4804E48@softweyr.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:46:00 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kristin Ford Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD isn't Linux? References: <3AC40A4C.B3EACBEF@softweyr.com> <200103300901230430.00088D0C@smtp.evansdata.com> <3AC4CEC0.4198D7CD@softweyr.com> <200103301022100490.005285C3@smtp.evansdata.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kristin Ford wrote: > > Hi Wes, > > We are working on restoring the FreeBSD data today. I believe that we have > decided to post the chart both with and without FreeBSD listed. Does that > seem acceptable? If not, let me know. That would be great. I'll share this with my compatriots, perhaps they'll leave you (and your inbox) alone. ;^) > Yes lots of feedback, Linux developers are a tough crowd!! And BSD developers even more so -- they're too used to getting lumped in with Linux, or just getting completely ignored. ;^) -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 30 13:18:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from web1905.mail.yahoo.com (web1905.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DBA0637B719 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:18:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wk633@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 22051 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2001 21:18:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20010330211817.22050.qmail@web1905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.194.56.253] by web1905.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:18:17 PST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:18:17 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Wilson Subject: RE: FreeBSD 5th in survey of used Linux distributions ! To: Freebsd-Advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Freebsd-Advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <000101c0b90c$fab0a2c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Now that Evans Data has posted a second table which puts the FreeBSD data back in. The question is, what's in the report? Including FreeBSD in the sample data page might make US happy, but what are they telling the people who pay for the report? I would think anyone interested researching the use of Linux among web developers would also be interested in other open source unix-like OSes. ===== : __o : -\<, : 0/ 0 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 30 13:18:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from web1905.mail.yahoo.com (web1905.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 198EF37B718 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:18:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wk633@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 22051 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2001 21:18:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20010330211817.22050.qmail@web1905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.194.56.253] by web1905.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:18:17 PST Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:18:17 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Wilson Subject: RE: FreeBSD 5th in survey of used Linux distributions ! To: Freebsd-Advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Freebsd-Advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <000101c0b90c$fab0a2c0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Now that Evans Data has posted a second table which puts the FreeBSD data back in. The question is, what's in the report? Including FreeBSD in the sample data page might make US happy, but what are they telling the people who pay for the report? I would think anyone interested researching the use of Linux among web developers would also be interested in other open source unix-like OSes. ===== : __o : -\<, : 0/ 0 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 30 14: 9:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from klapaucius.zer0.org (klapaucius.zer0.org [204.152.186.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1744037B718; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:09:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: by klapaucius.zer0.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B3A34239A53; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:09:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:09:42 -0800 From: Gregory Sutter To: kford@evansdata.com Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Linux and FreeBSD in your study Message-ID: <20010330140942.I77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kevin, I'd like to thank you and your colleagues for your recent actions in regard to your study of Linux distributions (). You have been extremely responsive to feedback from user communities, and have preserved scientific integrity by not simply erasing the FreeBSD data from the page. Your willingness to accept input and your interest in properly representing the data from your study are greatly appreciated. Regards, Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter The process of scientific discovery mailto:gsutter@zer0.org is, in effect, a continual flight http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ from wonder. --Albert Einstein hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net/0x845DFEDD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 30 14:11: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from klapaucius.zer0.org (klapaucius.zer0.org [204.152.186.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDEA37B71B; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:11:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: by klapaucius.zer0.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 066E1239A53; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:11:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:11:05 -0800 From: Gregory Sutter To: kford@evansdata.com Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux and FreeBSD in your study Message-ID: <20010330141105.J77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> References: <20010330140942.I77952@klapaucius.zer0.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010330140942.I77952@klapaucius.zer0.org>; from gsutter@zer0.org on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 02:09:42PM -0800 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-03-30 14:09 -0800, Gregory Sutter wrote: > Kevin, > > I'd like to thank you and your colleagues for your recent > actions in regard to your study of Linux distributions Kristin, I apologize for calling you "Kevin"! I experienced a slip of the mind. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Only two things are infinite, the mailto:gsutter@zer0.org universe and human stupidity, and I'm http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ not sure about the former. hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net/0x845DFEDD - Albert Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 30 20:59:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6C637B71C for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:59:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2V4xAk61289; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:59:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Rich Wilson" , Cc: Subject: RE: FreeBSD 5th in survey of used Linux distributions ! Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 20:59:10 -0800 Message-ID: <001201c0b99f$52c8bdc0$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20010330211817.22050.qmail@web1905.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm sure that they are telling the report purchasers the entire data. This kind of marketing survey is basically a bunch of statistics, and including FreeBSD in the initial survey was a mistake. However, the marketing data still has value even though FreeBSD was included by accident. If you remove FreeBSD from the results, none of the numbers are going to balance and the survey is going to be worthless. Consider that the gaffe has probably given them far more publicity than if the report was correctly done, so I wouldn't shed any tears. Also consider that since they did include FreeBSD there was probably a lot more in-depth data on use of the OS so I would guess that anyone looking to market FreeBSD products specifically would also be interested in the data. I don't know what they are charging for the data but I myself would love a peek at it. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Rich Wilson >Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 1:18 PM >To: Freebsd-Advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >Cc: Freebsd-Advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: RE: FreeBSD 5th in survey of used Linux distributions ! > > >Now that Evans Data has posted a second table which puts the >FreeBSD data back >in. The question is, what's in the report? Including FreeBSD in >the sample >data page might make US happy, but what are they telling the >people who pay for >the report? > >I would think anyone interested researching the use of Linux among web >developers would also be interested in other open source unix-like OSes. > >===== >: __o >: -\<, >: 0/ 0 > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message