From owner-freebsd-arm Wed Aug 22 7:42:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from ns0.ovh.net (b1.ovh.net [213.186.33.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 11FC437B428 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 07:42:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from postmaster@casidy.com) Received: (qmail 8428 invoked by uid 508); 22 Aug 2001 14:42:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20010822144218.8426.qmail@ns0.ovh.net> From: Philippe Casidy To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Subject: Do you know this target? (ARM7TDMI) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:42:18 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I have been proposed a used development card for ARM. It is equipped with an ARM7TDMI, has serials, parallels, pccards (no support for 3.3V cards). 32Kb on board SRAM (32bits) 512Kb ROM (8bits) 128Kb SRAM (32bits) 0 up to 8 Mb DRAM The only reference I found is HBI-011C or KPI-011C. None of these references is found on the web with them. The schematics are dated in 1996. Do you know it? Can you give a value for buying? There is a reference for EmbeddedIce. It is really required? Thanks Phil. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Wed Aug 22 10:18:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B567137B40A for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:18:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john.gordon@windriver.com) Received: from windriver.com (lualaba [147.11.51.24]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19672; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:18:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B83E960.51B688EF@windriver.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:18:24 -0700 From: John Gordon Organization: Wind River Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philippe Casidy Cc: freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Do you know this target? (ARM7TDMI) References: <20010822144218.8426.qmail@ns0.ovh.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello Philippe, The 7TDMI is a core that does not have an MMU or cache. As such, I don't think it would make a very good development platform for a BSD operating system. It was very much intended for use in deeply embedded products. They also tend to run very slowly - most of the ones I have here are 16 MHz. If the board is made by ARM, it is probably a PID development board. As for needing the ICE, you don't if you have a development environment that supports the board and a PROM programmer to burn an initial image into the boot device. As an example, the Tornado/VxWorks product from my employer supports this board without any need for an ICE. You simply plug in the supplied boot ROM, and then use the network and/or serial port for development. HTH, John... > I have been proposed a used development card for ARM. > > It is equipped with an ARM7TDMI, has serials, parallels, pccards (no support > for 3.3V cards). > 32Kb on board SRAM (32bits) > 512Kb ROM (8bits) > 128Kb SRAM (32bits) > 0 up to 8 Mb DRAM > > The only reference I found is HBI-011C or KPI-011C. None of these > references is found on the web with them. > > The schematics are dated in 1996. > > Do you know it? Can you give a value for buying? > > There is a reference for EmbeddedIce. It is really required? > > Thanks > > Phil. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message -- John Gordon Wind River Systems, Inc. Member of Technical Staff 500 Wind River Way mailto:john.gordon@windriver.com Alameda, CA 94501 http://www.windriver.com +1 (510) 749 2464 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Wed Aug 22 15: 5: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from anagyris.wanadoo.fr (smtp-rt-1.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D4237B409 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 15:04:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcasidy@casidy.com) Received: from antholoma.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.153) by anagyris.wanadoo.fr; 23 Aug 2001 00:04:58 +0200 Received: from casidy.com (193.248.226.128) by antholoma.wanadoo.fr; 23 Aug 2001 00:04:50 +0200 Message-ID: <3b842c833b99b2b6@antholoma.wanadoo.fr> (added by antholoma.wanadoo.fr) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:04:19 +0200 (CEST) From: pcasidy@casidy.com Subject: Re: Do you know this target? (ARM7TDMI) To: john.gordon@windriver.com Cc: freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3B83E960.51B688EF@windriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 22 Aug, John Gordon wrote: > Hello Philippe, > > The 7TDMI is a core that does not have an MMU or cache. As such, I don't > think it would make a very good development platform for a BSD operating > system. It was very much intended for use in deeply embedded products. > They also tend to run very slowly - most of the ones I have here are 16 > MHz. That is just the advices I needed. Thanks. I will have to llok for another target. Philippe. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Wed Aug 22 17:13: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F29037B444 for ; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:12:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john.gordon@windriver.com) Received: from windriver.com (lualaba [147.11.51.24]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA24807; Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B844A66.5256313C@windriver.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 17:12:22 -0700 From: John Gordon Organization: Wind River Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pcasidy@casidy.com Cc: freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Do you know this target? (ARM7TDMI) References: <3b842c833b99b2b6@antholoma.wanadoo.fr> (added by antholoma.wanadoo.fr) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello Philippe, > I will have to llok for another target. What sort of requirements do you have? The most obvious targets for ARM are the PDAs (HP and Compaq) since they should be relatively easy to obtain, and relatively cheap. Obviously, they are consumer devices though so they don't necessarily have the same degree of support for development. If you have the money, there is the Intel Assabet board (pretty close to an Ipaq PDA in development form), but expensive. You might be able to get a hold of the older Brutus boards too (they're obsolete, but there might be some on the second hand market as companies off load them). The older SA-110 based EBSA-285 cards might still be around too - a PCI based solution. Check out Intel's developer web site for docs and specs on these. From ARM, there is the Integrator platform, but this is also very expensive. You get a choice of processors for it; the obvious one for BSD work today would be the 920T (has an MMU and reasonably fast). Integrator has PCI slots, so expansion hardware, networking etc should be easy to deal with. There are some other ARM reference designs out there. A company called Cogent produces ARM boards with a variety of CPUs and I/O solutions. Don't have prices handy for those, but they are aimed at commercial organisations so I'd guess not that cheap. Looking at the ARM Powered device list at arm.com, the following look like they could also be good candidates: Bitsy - http://www.applieddata.net/products_bitsy.asp Graphics Client Plus - http://www.applieddata.net/products_gcplus.asp CATS - http://www.chaltech.com/products.php EM-110 - http://www.embedone.com/e-main4.htm NetWinder - http://www.netwinder.net/2100/ Yopy - http://www.yopy.com/ - http://www.gmate.co.kr/english/products/overview.htm There are others, but these look like the most promising... HTH, John... -- John Gordon Wind River Systems, Inc. Member of Technical Staff 500 Wind River Way mailto:john.gordon@windriver.com Alameda, CA 94501 http://www.windriver.com +1 (510) 749 2464 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message