From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 11 10:31:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E808037B718 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:31:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2BIVaP17414 for doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:31:36 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 18:31:36 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: HEADS UP: docproj port updated Message-ID: <20010311183135.A16507@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, Per my earlier messages (and the silence in response) I've updated ports/textproc/docproj, and doc/share/mk/doc.docbook.mk at the request=20 of our Alpha using friends. We now use ports/www/links instead of ports/www/w3m to generate the plain text version of the documentation. I have updated the docproj port accordingly -- if you have version 1.3 or below of the docproj port you will need to reinstall it to pick up the new dependency. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqrxIYACgkQk6gHZCw343W/xACfUZzMRJzNj4J7bR5Zcgkq3C9r xGQAnRXcWNucRK+GzVbzuJwqq98+5Znc =hEve -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 11 10:53:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6E837B719 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 10:53:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@holly.calldei.com) Received: from holly.calldei.com ([208.191.149.190]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0GA100IYTQWIN3@mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net> for doc@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:48:19 -0600 (CST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f2BIofc47713 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:50:41 -0600 (CST envelope-from chris) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 12:50:40 -0600 From: Chris Costello Subject: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization To: doc@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been working on the reorganization of the FAQ recently, and I need feedback from you, particularly the translation teams. Here's the deal: Currently, the FreeBSD FAQ is just one big SGML file. I've been breaking it up and making the document structure more like the structure of the Handbook. This has required me to move and rewrite some questions and answers. However, a lot of the text is essentially the same. At the same time, though, I'm adding some new questions and answers, combining some of them, and removing others. So I need your feedback. What would I need to do to make it as painless as possible for the translators while I'm working on this? What methods could I use to mark up what paragraphs came from where and what's new? Should I recreate it in CVS, and commit each file question-by-question? I'm open to any ideas that you may have--what should I do? Thanks. -- +-------------------+------------------------------------+ | Chris Costello | Let the machine do the dirty work. | | chris@calldei.com | - Elements of Programming Style | +-------------------+------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 11 13:59:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B2F37B719; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 13:59:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2BLxYB73294; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 13:59:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 13:59:34 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103112159.f2BLxYB73294@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dd@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/25447: [PATCH] New FAQ entry about inability to unset schg flag Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] New FAQ entry about inability to unset schg flag Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Mar 11 13:58:52 PST 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: My PR. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25447 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 11 14: 0:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A449237B718; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 14:00:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2BM0Dx73427; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 14:00:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 14:00:13 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103112200.f2BM0Dx73427@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dd@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/24888: [PATCH] New FAQ entry about inappropriate use of ipfw(8) 'fwd' rules Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] New FAQ entry about inappropriate use of ipfw(8) 'fwd' rules Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Mar 11 14:00:05 PST 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: My PR. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=24888 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 11 15:38: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr4.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CAD337B719 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:37:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 1741 invoked by uid 10); 11 Mar 2001 23:37:47 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2BNZI877419 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:35:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ue) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:35:18 +0100 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010312003518.A77178@nathan.ruhr.de> Mail-Followup-To: doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com>; from chris@calldei.com on Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 12:50:40PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris, On Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 12:50:40PM -0600, Chris Costello wrote: > Currently, the FreeBSD FAQ is just one big SGML file. I've > been breaking it up and making the document structure more like > the structure of the Handbook. I've just downloaded the (rather old) snapshot of your work from your homepage at people.freebsd.org and I'll just that snapshot as the base for my comments. I've noticed a couple of things that worry me: 1) Most questions didn't have an SGML id. Please do not remove the ids, they are extremly valuable to point users into the right direction. 2) Please do not use the /chapter.sgml structure of the handbook. make is perfectly capable of handling more than one source file in a directory. We don't need all those additional subdirectories and they make it easier to become lost in the sources. Imaging having 5 or 6 editor windows (or screens, in my case), all editing "chapter.sgml". 3) Please try to keep the SGML sources free of tabs. See the last commit to the original FAQ. > This has required me to move and rewrite some questions and answers. > However, a lot of the text is essentially the same. At the same time, > though, I'm adding some new questions and answers, combining some of > them, and removing others. And that's the real problem. The policy for changing the documentation is quite simple: "Do not mix content and whitespace changes." Moving the questions into different source files is a whitespace change, rewriting existing answers and adding new entries is a content change. > I'm open to any ideas that you may have--what should I do? We (the translators) will have to make the same changed you make and you should make it possible for us to recreate your work. The easiest way to achieve this is to set up a seperate CVS repository[0] that writes a logfile of the commits, makes this logfile available to the translation teams, and gives the translators read-only access. Check in the current version of the FAQ as Revision 1.1. Start moving the questions, one target a file at a time. In other words, if you create application.sgml, move all the questions about applicaitons into that file, add the neccessary SGML glue, and commit that change to your local repository. Do not rewrite the existing questions, do not add new questions. Just a simple move. Repeat the process until you've redistributed all the existing questions to your satisfaction. Start adding the new questions and commit them one question at a time. This way, the translations teams can easily split the work. Now you can start editing/rewording questions. Group your changes into logical blocks, modify only one file at a time, and commit each block seperately. /s/Udo [0] It might be possible to use the "our" repository (i.e. that of the FreeBSD German Documentation Project) for this purpose. I'll talk to Alexander Langer (alex@big.endidan.de) about it, it's his box. -- Abandon the search for Truth; settle for a good fantasy. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 11 15:54: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABF637B718 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:54:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@holly.calldei.com) Received: from holly.calldei.com ([208.191.149.190]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0GA2008S94LV9B@mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net> for doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:44:20 -0600 (CST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f2BNkep48179; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:46:40 -0600 (CST envelope-from chris) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 17:46:34 -0600 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization In-reply-to: <20010312003518.A77178@nathan.ruhr.de>; from ue@nathan.ruhr.de on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 12:35:18AM +0100 To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20010311174633.F31751@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com> <20010312003518.A77178@nathan.ruhr.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, March 12, 2001, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > I've just downloaded the (rather old) snapshot of your work from your > homepage at people.freebsd.org and I'll just that snapshot as the base > for my comments. > > I've noticed a couple of things that worry me: > > 1) Most questions didn't have an SGML id. Please do not remove the > ids, they are extremly valuable to point users into the right > direction. I was going to work on re-adding those. However, I'm waiting for feedback before I go do anything new to the new-FAQ. > 2) Please do not use the /chapter.sgml structure of the handbook. > make is perfectly capable of handling more than one source file in a > directory. We don't need all those additional subdirectories and they > make it easier to become lost in the sources. Imaging having 5 or 6 > editor windows (or screens, in my case), all editing "chapter.sgml". Anybody else have any opinion on this? Nik? I was following the Handbook's structure for the sake of continuity. > Check in the current version of the FAQ as Revision 1.1. > > Start moving the questions, one target a file at a time. In other words, > if you create application.sgml, move all the questions about applicaitons > into that file, add the neccessary SGML glue, and commit that change to > your local repository. Do not rewrite the existing questions, do not add > new questions. Just a simple move. > Repeat the process until you've redistributed all the existing questions > to your satisfaction. > > Start adding the new questions and commit them one question at a time. > This way, the translations teams can easily split the work. > > Now you can start editing/rewording questions. Group your changes into > logical blocks, modify only one file at a time, and commit each block > seperately. Sounds good to me. I'm still interested in what everybody else thinks, too, though. But that sounds pretty logical. > [0] It might be possible to use the "our" repository (i.e. that of the > FreeBSD German Documentation Project) for this purpose. I'll talk to > Alexander Langer (alex@big.endidan.de) about it, it's his box. Not a problem. Either a separate branch for the FAQ[0] in the FreeBSD CVS repo itself, or a separate repository on usw4.FreeBSD.org (I already have an account) should also do just nicely. -- +-------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | Chris Costello | Maybe Computer Science should be in the | | chris@calldei.com | College of Theology. - R. S. Barton | +-------------------+-----------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 1:11:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7E537B718; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 01:11:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2BMsNP18689; Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:54:23 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 22:54:23 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: dd@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25447: [PATCH] New FAQ entry about inability to unset schg flag Message-ID: <20010311225422.A18669@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200103112159.f2BLxYB73294@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200103112159.f2BLxYB73294@freefall.freebsd.org>; from dd@FreeBSD.org on Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 01:59:34PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 01:59:34PM -0800, dd@FreeBSD.org wrote: > Synopsis: [PATCH] New FAQ entry about inability to unset schg flag >=20 > Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd > Responsible-Changed-By: dd > Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Mar 11 13:58:52 PST 2001 > Responsible-Changed-Why:=20 > My PR. That's exactly why you've got a commit bit :-) One more thing crossed off my to do list. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqsAh4ACgkQk6gHZCw343UskACcDUlXVEIdI+AKEv14k5HXegNB vuQAnRCQi+RAHWl/XMoi28Wic6xZGzrA =Sdbr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 2: 8: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C3137B718 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 02:08:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2C9b9Q03136; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:37:09 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:37:09 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010312093709.B3114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com> <20010312003518.A77178@nathan.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010312003518.A77178@nathan.ruhr.de>; from ue@nathan.ruhr.de on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 12:35:18AM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Udo, On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 12:35:18AM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > [0] It might be possible to use the "our" repository (i.e. that of the > FreeBSD German Documentation Project) for this purpose. I'll talk to > Alexander Langer (alex@big.endidan.de) about it, it's his box. Why do you guys have a separate repository? Does it make things easier somehow? If you have a bunch of people working on it that aren't currently committers, I'd be happy to bring them in as committers. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqsmMUACgkQk6gHZCw343UzagCfaOjFXf5rbMA3y4EgdwgxDkJM 7SMAoJFOhgw4/tDcOO26elea0OYNt7uZ =uq+x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MfFXiAuoTsnnDAfZ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 2: 8:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB57337B719 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 02:08:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2C9ZqP03130; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:35:52 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:35:52 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Chris Costello Cc: Udo Erdelhoff , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010312093551.A3114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com> <20010312003518.A77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010311174633.F31751@holly.calldei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010311174633.F31751@holly.calldei.com>; from chris@calldei.com on Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 05:46:34PM -0600 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 05:46:34PM -0600, Chris Costello wrote: > > 2) Please do not use the /chapter.sgml structure of the handbook. > > make is perfectly capable of handling more than one source file in a > > directory. We don't need all those additional subdirectories and they > > make it easier to become lost in the sources. Imaging having 5 or 6 > > editor windows (or screens, in my case), all editing "chapter.sgml". >=20 > Anybody else have any opinion on this? Nik? I was following > the Handbook's structure for the sake of continuity. The Handbook has that structure because I envisage more illustrations going in, in per-chapter directories. Also (at some point) we will have the infrastructure to allow people to build the thing at a chapter at a time, which can vastly speed up the editing/reading process. The FAQ does not necessarily have those same constraints -- I don't expect it to be too image heavy, for example. > > Now you can start editing/rewording questions. Group your changes into > > logical blocks, modify only one file at a time, and commit each block > > seperately. >=20 > Sounds good to me. I'm still interested in what everybody > else thinks, too, though. But that sounds pretty logical. That's basically how I converted the Handbook from LinuxDoc to DocBook. > > [0] It might be possible to use the "our" repository (i.e. that of the > > FreeBSD German Documentation Project) for this purpose. I'll talk to > > Alexander Langer (alex@big.endidan.de) about it, it's his box. >=20 > Not a problem. Either a separate branch for the FAQ[0] in the > FreeBSD CVS repo itself, or a separate repository on > usw4.FreeBSD.org (I already have an account) should also do just > nicely. I like the idea of a branch in the FAQ, because then no one has to do anything different to get it -- supfiles will still work, and so on. When the work is finished, and committed to HEAD, it might be possible to= =20 excise this branch from the repo if it's considered bloat. Otherwise we can live with it. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqsmHcACgkQk6gHZCw343WwkwCfQyvGNsE9lAlBifGX2WVLUz6l 5xwAoIosBkhpHO3QPfgsu1lWaH1CO0Xt =ylYa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 6:30: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84FC37B71A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2CEU1P34111; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from turtledawn.blackhelicopters.org (mag.gltg.com [198.88.118.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690BA37B718 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:23:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@turtledawn.blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by turtledawn.blackhelicopters.org (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2CENAG00879; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:23:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Message-Id: <200103121423.f2CENAG00879@turtledawn.blackhelicopters.org> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:23:10 -0500 (EST) From: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org Reply-To: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/25735: handbook correction Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25735 >Category: docs >Synopsis: error in handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Mar 12 06:30:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Michael Lucas >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: None >Environment: System: FreeBSD turtledawn.blackhelicopters.org 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #3: Fri Mar 9 12:12:04 EST 2001 mwlucas@turtledawn.blackhelicopters.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/TURTLEDAWN i386 >Description: The handbook says that context diffs are preferred. Unified diffs are the consensus on -hackers, i.e.: Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 12:03:18 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard Subject: Re: context or unified diffs in PRs? To: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) The handbook is wrong. Unidiffs are a far more advanced lifeform than context diffs. :) - Jordan >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/contrib: --- chapter.sgml Mon Mar 12 09:12:08 2001 +++ chapter.sgml-dist Mon Mar 12 09:11:46 2001 @@ -501,11 +501,11 @@ being preferred. For example: - &prompt.user; diff -u oldfile newfile + &prompt.user; diff -c oldfile newfile or - &prompt.user; diff -u -r olddir newdir + &prompt.user; diff -c -r olddir newdir would generate such a set of context diffs for the given source file or directory hierarchy. See the man page for &man.diff.1; for more >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 6:31:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEAE37B718; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:31:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA95210; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:31:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:31:23 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/25735: handbook correction Message-ID: <20010312093123.A95137@blackhelicopters.org> References: <200103121423.f2CENAG00879@turtledawn.blackhelicopters.org> <200103121430.f2CEU1P34107@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200103121430.f2CEU1P34107@freefall.freebsd.org>; from gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 06:30:01AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 06:30:01AM -0800, gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org wrote: > Thank you very much for your problem report. > It has the internal identification `docs/25735'. > The individual assigned to look at your > report is: freebsd-doc. > > You can access the state of your problem report at any time > via this link: > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25735 > > >Category: docs > >Responsible: freebsd-doc > >Synopsis: error in handbook > >Arrival-Date: Mon Mar 12 06:30:01 PST 2001 DOH! Please try the following patch instead. --- chapter.sgml Mon Mar 12 09:24:56 2001 +++ chapter.sgml-dist Mon Mar 12 09:11:46 2001 @@ -497,17 +497,17 @@ Assuming that you can manage to secure fairly up-to-date sources to base your changes on, the next step is to produce a set of diffs to send to the FreeBSD maintainers. This is done with the &man.diff.1; - command, with the unified diff form + command, with the context diff form being preferred. For example: - &prompt.user; diff -u oldfile newfile + &prompt.user; diff -c oldfile newfile or - &prompt.user; diff -u -r olddir newdir + &prompt.user; diff -c -r olddir newdir - would generate such a set of unified diffs for the given source file + would generate such a set of context diffs for the given source file or directory hierarchy. See the man page for &man.diff.1; for more details. -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 6:35:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6DC37B71A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:35:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id PAA29587; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:35:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14cTQ6-0007Ez-00 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:35:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:35:34 +0100 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/25735: handbook correction Message-ID: <20010312153534.A26717@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: Szilveszter Adam , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <200103121423.f2CENAG00879@turtledawn.blackhelicopters.org> <200103121430.f2CEU1P34107@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010312093123.A95137@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010312093123.A95137@blackhelicopters.org>; from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:31:23AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:31:23AM -0500, Michael Lucas wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 06:30:01AM -0800, gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org wrote: > > Thank you very much for your problem report. > > It has the internal identification `docs/25735'. > > The individual assigned to look at your > > report is: freebsd-doc. > > > > You can access the state of your problem report at any time > > via this link: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25735 > > > > >Category: docs > > >Responsible: freebsd-doc > > >Synopsis: error in handbook > > >Arrival-Date: Mon Mar 12 06:30:01 PST 2001 > > DOH! > > Please try the following patch instead. > > --- chapter.sgml Mon Mar 12 09:24:56 2001 > +++ chapter.sgml-dist Mon Mar 12 09:11:46 2001 > @@ -497,17 +497,17 @@ > Assuming that you can manage to secure fairly up-to-date sources > to base your changes on, the next step is to produce a set of diffs to > send to the FreeBSD maintainers. This is done with the &man.diff.1; > - command, with the unified diff form ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > + command, with the context diff form ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hmmm... maybe you have mixed the two files up this time? Look above. Is this what you wanted? I doubt it... -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 6:50:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE4B37B718 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:50:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2CEo3r95594; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:50:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 06:50:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103121450.f2CEo3r95594@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: docs/25735: handbook correction Reply-To: Nik Clayton Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/25735; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Nik Clayton To: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25735: handbook correction Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:35:46 +0000 --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:23:10AM -0500, mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org wrot= e: > The handbook says that context diffs are preferred. Unified diffs are > the consensus on -hackers, i.e.: Unidiffs *are* context diffs. DES wrote: You're both either slightly off, or not expressing yourselves clearly. Context diffs are called that because they show context around the changes. Unified diffs are also context diffs, but they're unified because they show removed and added lines in a single block instead of separate blocks: des@flood ~% diff -c old new *** old Sun Mar 11 03:04:43 2001 --- new Sun Mar 11 03:05:02 2001 *************** *** 1,7 **** one two three ! fore five six seven --- 1,7 ---- one two three ! four five six seven des@flood ~% diff -u old new --- old Sun Mar 11 03:04:43 2001 +++ new Sun Mar 11 03:05:02 2001 @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ one two three -fore +four five six seven Unified diffs are almost always easier to read, because you don't have to move your eyes back and forth so much. Context diffs are easier to read in the rare cases where a large nearly-contiguous block of text has changed and diff(1) screws up because it finds that some of lines in the new text are identical to some of the lines in the old text, while in fact they're not related: =20 des@flood ~% diff -c old new *** old Sun Mar 11 03:07:31 2001 --- new Sun Mar 11 03:08:08 2001 *************** *** 1,7 **** ! the little ! horse ! jumped ! over ! the ! fence --- 1,7 ---- ! three ! ducks ! swim ! in ! a little ! pond des@flood ~% diff -u old new --- old Sun Mar 11 03:07:31 2001 +++ new Sun Mar 11 03:08:08 2001 @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ -the +three +ducks +swim +in +a little -horse -jumped -over -the -fence +pond --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqs3sEACgkQk6gHZCw343VVMwCglBiPv7j/mTce4vLDwiJaJ2zl gCAAnj+WYYbaWsMphWiJijSJhqLQmjF6 =ihka -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FL5UXtIhxfXey3p5-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 9:20: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6FD37B71A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2CHK1u58215; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E497D37B718 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:13:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2CHDkB57364; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:13:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200103121713.f2CHDkB57364@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:13:46 -0800 (PST) From: tadayuki.okada@windriver.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/25740: maestro3 is not mentioned in HARDWARE.TXT and RELNOTES.TXT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25740 >Category: docs >Synopsis: maestro3 is not mentioned in HARDWARE.TXT and RELNOTES.TXT >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Mar 12 09:20:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Tadayuki OKADA >Release: 4.3-BETA >Organization: >Environment: >Description: Maestro-3 is not mentioned in HARDWARE.TXT and i386/RELNOTES.TXT. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 9:47:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.dev.itouchnet.net (mx1.dev.itouchnet.net [196.14.181.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618F537B718 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:47:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bvi@devco.net) Received: from nobody by mx1.dev.itouchnet.net with scanned_ok (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14cWTb-000J28-00 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:51:23 +0200 Received: from [196.14.181.39] (helo=e0-ter-fw1.dev.itouchnet.net) by mx1.dev.itouchnet.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14cWTb-000J1t-00 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:51:23 +0200 Received: from daemon.prv.dev.itouchnet.net ([192.168.8.10]) by e0-ter-fw1.dev.itouchnet.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #1) id 14cWPN-000F3w-00 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:47:01 +0200 Received: from bvi by daemon.prv.dev.itouchnet.net with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14cWSn-0004rw-00; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:50:33 +0200 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:50:33 +0200 From: Barry Irwin To: Michael Lestinsky Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: support.html: UUG-Update Message-ID: <20010312195033.B17900@devco.net> References: <20010312164620.B65188@milliways.ma.choin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010312164620.B65188@milliways.ma.choin.net>; from michael@choin.net on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 04:46:20PM +0100 X-Checked: This message has been scanned for any virusses and unauthorized attachments. X-iScan: Version $Id: iScan,v 1.26 2000/10/08 14:12:55 rip Exp $ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Things like this should go to freebsd-doc@freebsd.org On Mon 2001-03-12 (16:46), Michael Lestinsky wrote: > Envelope-to: bvi@localhost > Delivery-date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:51:41 +0200 > Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:46:20 +0100 > From: Michael Lestinsky > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: support.html: UUG-Update > User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i > X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Precedence: bulk > X-Checked: This message has been scanned for any virusses and unauthorized attachments. > X-iScan: Version $Id: iScan,v 1.26 2000/10/08 14:12:55 rip Exp $ > > Hi, > > Since this email-adress is mentioned at the footer of support.html, my > request goes here. > > The Information about the UUGRN in Mannheim/Germany is a bit out of > date. Could someone please commit the following diff? > > --- support.html.orig Mon Mar 12 16:42:05 2001 > +++ support.html Mon Mar 12 16:44:53 2001 > @@ -311,8 +311,9 @@ >
  • Mannheim, Germany The HREF="http://home.pages.de/~uugrn/">UUGRN (Unix Users > Group Rhein-Neckar) provides a regional forum for users of all > UNIX flavors, with a stress on Linux and BSD. Meetings are > - held on the second Wednesday of each month at the Rhein-Neckar > - restaurant near the Carl-Benz-Stadium.

    • > + held on the second Wednesday of each month at the > "Eichbaum-Brauhaus" > + in Mannheim-Käfertal and the fourth Thursday of each month > + at the "Vater Rhein" in Heidelberg.

    >
  • München (Munich), Germany The HREF="http://bim.bsn.com/">BIM (Berkeley In Munich) > group caters for users of BSD-based systems in Oberbayern. >

    • > > > Thanks and Bye > Michael > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 11: 0: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1C737B71A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:00:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2CJ01874457; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:00:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229EE37B719 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:51:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f2CIpGo02803 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:51:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from m758712358.whistle.com(dhcp7-214.whistle.com 207.76.207.214) by whistle.com via smap (V2.0) id xma002799; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:50:50 -0800 Received: (from david@localhost) by m758712358.whistle.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2CIooX00969; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:50:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103121850.f2CIooX00969@m758712358.whistle.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:50:50 -0800 (PST) From: dhw@whistle.com Reply-To: dhw@whistle.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/25743: Trivial typographic error in ssh.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25743 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Trivial typographic error in ssh.1 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Mar 12 11:00:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: David Wolfskill >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA i386 >Organization: Whistle Communications >Environment: System: FreeBSD m758712358.whistle.com 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #2: Mon Mar 12 09:44:41 PST 2001 root@m758712358.whistle.com:/common/obj/S2/usr/src/sys/LAPTOP_30W i386 >Description: Man page for ssh (/usr/src/crypto/openssh/ssh.1) has the string "ssh ssh", when just "ssh" is wanted. >How-To-Repeat: man ssh | grep 'If this flag is set to' | tail -1 >Fix: Index: ssh.1 =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/freebsd/src/crypto/openssh/ssh.1,v retrieving revision 1.4.2.6 diff -u -r1.4.2.6 ssh.1 --- ssh.1 2001/01/12 04:25:58 1.4.2.6 +++ ssh.1 2001/03/12 18:22:36 @@ -910,7 +910,7 @@ If this flag is set to .Dq yes , .Nm -ssh will never automatically add host keys to the +will never automatically add host keys to the .Pa $HOME/.ssh/known_hosts and .Pa $HOME/.ssh/known_hosts2 >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 11: 0:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA32237B71B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:00:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2CJ0JW74497 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:00:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:00:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103121900.f2CJ0JW74497@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2000/12/28] docs/23910 doc Handbook Chapter 14. Sound -- some fixes o [2001/01/05] docs/24083 doc change layout and content of kernel build o [2001/01/15] docs/24363 doc lack of explanation o [2001/03/05] docs/25556 doc "Upgrading FreeBSD from source" tutorial o [2001/03/10] docs/25647 doc Handbook, Loader Program Flow, missing 'n 6 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a [1998/07/31] docs/7456 doc dialog(3) man page outdated o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi o [1999/09/25] docs/13950 doc webpage idea o [1999/09/25] docs/13967 doc FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea o [1999/10/06] docs/14158 doc md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a o [1999/10/27] docs/14565 doc ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp f [2000/03/20] docs/17521 doc Proposed FAQ on assembly programming o [2000/03/25] docs/17598 doc installworld over NFS documentation no lo o [2000/04/03] kern/17774 doc stray irq7 o [2000/05/03] docs/18379 doc Information on SSH hard to find in Handbo o [2000/05/19] docs/18674 doc ntptime.htm and ntptime.8 o [2000/06/05] docs/19010 doc Bad144 obsoletion by 4.0 is undocumented; o [2000/06/23] docs/19481 doc Serial Communications chapter in Handbook o [2000/07/17] docs/19981 doc Indonesian translations o [2000/08/04] docs/20400 doc Building a kernel with debugging info sec o [2000/08/10] docs/20528 doc sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix. o [2000/08/20] docs/20738 doc correction and modification to clocks(7) o [2000/08/23] docs/20794 doc Request 2 good documents under people.fre o [2000/10/07] docs/21826 doc ARP proxy feature lacks documentation o [2000/10/10] docs/21896 doc Mini-HOWTO for stp driver o [2000/10/26] docs/22333 doc share/doc/smm/07.lpd building moved in 3. o [2000/11/01] docs/22470 doc man 3 msgrcv's BUGS section needs updatin o [2000/11/08] docs/22701 doc lists missing from search options o [2000/11/11] docs/22778 doc Typo's in About.txt-Layout.txt o [2000/11/14] docs/22861 doc newsyslog man page is misleading and inco o [2000/12/01] docs/23230 doc missing index.html links o [2000/12/03] docs/23251 doc exports(5) man page erroneous in 4.2-STAB o [2000/12/04] docs/23292 doc /etc/dumpdates is not documented in secti o [2000/12/06] docs/23324 doc add information to FAQ on how to use whee o [2000/12/11] docs/23488 doc A manpage for section 7 regarding a Toron o [2000/12/14] docs/23559 doc missing manpage for hsearch libc function o [2000/12/22] docs/23767 doc ifconfig(8) manual page does not document o [2001/01/02] docs/24035 doc ptrace(2) PT_STEP incorrect documentation o [2001/01/13] docs/24305 doc man page syscons has reference to non exi o [2001/01/26] docs/24662 doc too many questions about source managemen o [2001/01/31] docs/24751 doc [PATCH] Digest list descriptions are out o [2001/02/01] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/02/02] docs/24802 doc fcntl man page does not specify what happ o [2001/02/03] docs/24839 doc fix ether.bridge o [2001/02/05] docs/24869 doc Some text elf.5 is duplicated o [2001/02/05] docs/24887 doc "make -j# installworld" can (will?) fail o [2001/02/06] docs/24923 doc 4.2 Release Errata page has no informatio o [2001/02/11] docs/25000 doc matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong o [2001/02/11] docs/25016 doc symlink(7) manpage says symlinks have no o [2001/02/12] docs/25053 doc kld(4) manpage is obsolete for -current o [2001/02/15] docs/25126 doc minor nits in whatis(1) command o [2001/02/16] docs/25134 doc Kernel USER_LDT option help incomplete o [2001/02/17] docs/25164 doc makewhatis(1) seems to be fouling up o [2001/02/18] docs/25184 doc Clean last tracks of CIRCLEQ from queue.3 o [2001/02/18] docs/25188 doc [PATCH] getaddrinfo(3) manual page has an o [2001/02/20] docs/25227 doc Lack of the description for some options o [2001/02/20] docs/25239 doc fdp-primer/tools/chapter.sgml says about o [2001/02/21] docs/25252 doc devfs.5: /devs -> /dev o [2001/02/26] docs/25390 doc [PATCH] FAQ Entry for Shell Accounts o [2001/02/26] docs/25392 doc Chapter 9 pages could use 'location of fu o [2001/02/26] docs/25405 doc misleading warning from catman(1), etc. o [2001/02/27] docs/25420 doc man page missing important information. o [2001/02/27] docs/25437 doc kernel configs are the only precious file o [2001/02/28] docs/25450 doc remove NCPU from docs o [2001/03/02] docs/25496 doc [PATCH} Doc makefiles are not LOCALBASE c o [2001/03/02] docs/25497 doc [PATCH} There is no answer to the FAQ abo o [2001/03/02] docs/25500 doc Update of ip(4) manpage to reflect curren o [2001/03/10] docs/25648 doc typos in some manpages (dependant) o [2001/03/10] docs/25656 doc New FAQ entry for 'toor' account (PATCH) o [2001/03/10] docs/25657 doc no netid(5) man page o [2001/03/12] docs/25735 doc error in handbook o [2001/03/12] docs/25740 doc maestro3 is not mentioned in HARDWARE.TXT o [2001/03/12] docs/25743 doc Trivial typographic error in ssh.1 68 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 11:19:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574CB37B71A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:19:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2CJIUA82827; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:18:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010311174633.F31751@holly.calldei.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:18:11 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Chris Costello Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, Udo Erdelhoff Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 11-Mar-01 Chris Costello wrote: > On Monday, March 12, 2001, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: >> I've just downloaded the (rather old) snapshot of your work from your >> homepage at people.freebsd.org and I'll just that snapshot as the base >> for my comments. >> >> I've noticed a couple of things that worry me: >> >> 1) Most questions didn't have an SGML id. Please do not remove the >> ids, they are extremly valuable to point users into the right >> direction. > > I was going to work on re-adding those. However, I'm waiting > for feedback before I go do anything new to the new-FAQ. If you just start off moving bits around you won't be removing them. :) Then once bits are moved around, you can sync up the FAQ in the tree with your local content changes, and just not sync up the tag removals. >> 2) Please do not use the /chapter.sgml structure of the handbook. >> make is perfectly capable of handling more than one source file in a >> directory. We don't need all those additional subdirectories and they >> make it easier to become lost in the sources. Imaging having 5 or 6 >> editor windows (or screens, in my case), all editing "chapter.sgml". > > Anybody else have any opinion on this? Nik? I was following > the Handbook's structure for the sake of continuity. Hmm, I like having multiple directories personally, but that's just me. Yay for consistency. :) For one thing, using directories allows us to group together the SGML source, images, etc. for one chapter all in once place, rather than having all the images and sources and makefiles, etc. all living in one directory. >> Check in the current version of the FAQ as Revision 1.1. >> >> Start moving the questions, one target a file at a time. In other words, >> if you create application.sgml, move all the questions about applicaitons >> into that file, add the neccessary SGML glue, and commit that change to >> your local repository. Do not rewrite the existing questions, do not add >> new questions. Just a simple move. > >> Repeat the process until you've redistributed all the existing questions >> to your satisfaction. >> >> Start adding the new questions and commit them one question at a time. >> This way, the translations teams can easily split the work. >> >> Now you can start editing/rewording questions. Group your changes into >> logical blocks, modify only one file at a time, and commit each block >> seperately. > > Sounds good to me. I'm still interested in what everybody > else thinks, too, though. But that sounds pretty logical. > >> [0] It might be possible to use the "our" repository (i.e. that of the >> FreeBSD German Documentation Project) for this purpose. I'll talk to >> Alexander Langer (alex@big.endidan.de) about it, it's his box. > > Not a problem. Either a separate branch for the FAQ[0] in the > FreeBSD CVS repo itself, or a separate repository on > usw4.FreeBSD.org (I already have an account) should also do just > nicely. Erm, we already have a CVS repo we can do this in. :) Very easily in fact. Just commit the changes one step at a time to the actual doc/ repo. No need to go off and obscure this in some side repo. As long as the FAQ builds, there is no need for a sidebranch, either. In fact, sidebranches are quite troublesome, as you have to merge all the changes back across once you are done. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 11:22: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4743337B71A; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:22:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2CJLuA83043; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:21:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010312093551.A3114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:21:36 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, Udo Erdelhoff , Chris Costello Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12-Mar-01 Nik Clayton wrote: > On Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 05:46:34PM -0600, Chris Costello wrote: >> > 2) Please do not use the /chapter.sgml structure of the handbook. >> > make is perfectly capable of handling more than one source file in a >> > directory. We don't need all those additional subdirectories and they >> > make it easier to become lost in the sources. Imaging having 5 or 6 >> > editor windows (or screens, in my case), all editing "chapter.sgml". >> >> Anybody else have any opinion on this? Nik? I was following >> the Handbook's structure for the sake of continuity. > > The Handbook has that structure because I envisage more illustrations > going in, in per-chapter directories. Also (at some point) we will have > the infrastructure to allow people to build the thing at a chapter at a > time, which can vastly speed up the editing/reading process. > > The FAQ does not necessarily have those same constraints -- I don't > expect it to be too image heavy, for example. Consistency is good, however. And let's not limit ourselves here and now and say that the FAQ will never have images in it. >> > Now you can start editing/rewording questions. Group your changes into >> > logical blocks, modify only one file at a time, and commit each block >> > seperately. >> >> Sounds good to me. I'm still interested in what everybody >> else thinks, too, though. But that sounds pretty logical. > > That's basically how I converted the Handbook from LinuxDoc to DocBook. > >> > [0] It might be possible to use the "our" repository (i.e. that of the >> > FreeBSD German Documentation Project) for this purpose. I'll talk to >> > Alexander Langer (alex@big.endidan.de) about it, it's his box. >> >> Not a problem. Either a separate branch for the FAQ[0] in the >> FreeBSD CVS repo itself, or a separate repository on >> usw4.FreeBSD.org (I already have an account) should also do just >> nicely. > > I like the idea of a branch in the FAQ, because then no one has to do > anything different to get it -- supfiles will still work, and so on. A branch is painful. Since the FAQ shouldn't be broken, there's no reason to not just do this on HEAD. The DocBook -> LinuxDoc was a bit different, as in some of your steps it didn't build, IIRC. If that was not the case, then it should've been done in the tree with a checkin at each milestone as it were. > When the work is finished, and committed to HEAD, it might be possible to > excise this branch from the repo if it's considered bloat. Otherwise we > can live with it. See, we don't need this extra headache. Also, the merge to HEAD will be painful if other changes are committed to the FAQ during the move. Instead, commits during the move will be separate events that the translators can just treat as autonomous little events. Really, a sidebranch is more headache and work than this deserves. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 11:29:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3322837B719; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:29:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2CJSUA83335; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:28:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010312093123.A95137@blackhelicopters.org> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:28:11 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Michael Lucas Subject: Re: docs/25735: handbook correction Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12-Mar-01 Michael Lucas wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 06:30:01AM -0800, gnats-admin@FreeBSD.org wrote: >> Thank you very much for your problem report. >> It has the internal identification `docs/25735'. >> The individual assigned to look at your >> report is: freebsd-doc. >> >> You can access the state of your problem report at any time >> via this link: >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25735 >> >> >Category: docs >> >Responsible: freebsd-doc >> >Synopsis: error in handbook >> >Arrival-Date: Mon Mar 12 06:30:01 PST 2001 > > DOH! > > Please try the following patch instead. Actually, I prefer the first patch, since in general, we prefer context diffs, which is a superset of -c diffs and -u diffs. (You did read the whole, thread, right?) Unfortunately, the language in the manpage probably makes all of this change necessarily, as 'context' is ambiguously (ab)used. :( Also, your patch is reversed, but that's nothing that patch -R can't fix (and patch will catch it anyways and prompt to DTRT.) > --- chapter.sgml Mon Mar 12 09:24:56 2001 > +++ chapter.sgml-dist Mon Mar 12 09:11:46 2001 > @@ -497,17 +497,17 @@ > Assuming that you can manage to secure fairly up-to-date sources > to base your changes on, the next step is to produce a set of diffs to > send to the FreeBSD maintainers. This is done with the &man.diff.1; > - command, with the unified diff form > + command, with the context diff form > being preferred. For example: > > > - &prompt.user; diff -u oldfile > newfile > + &prompt.user; diff -c oldfile > newfile > > or > > - &prompt.user; diff -u -r olddir > newdir > + &prompt.user; diff -c -r olddir > newdir > > - would generate such a set of unified diffs for the given source file > + would generate such a set of context diffs for the given source file > or directory hierarchy. See the man page for &man.diff.1; for more > details. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 12:21:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD3037B71A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:21:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2CKKlH10002 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:20:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Documents currently broken for release builds X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010312122047N.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:20:47 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 16 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This looks fairly recent. I hope this gets fixed before 4.3-RELEASE or we're going out with a mighty thin doc distribution. :| ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/ipsec-must sgmlnorm -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog article.sgml > article.html tidy -i -m -f /dev/null article.html Can't open "/home/jkh/.tidyrc" "html-split" is not a valid output format for this document. w3m -S -dump article.html > article.txt w3m: not found *** Error code 127 Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/ipsec-must. *** Error code 1 - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 12:40:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr4.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA19F37B71B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:40:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 32052 invoked by uid 10); 12 Mar 2001 20:40:11 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2CKM9O82020 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:22:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ue) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:22:09 +0100 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010312212209.G77178@nathan.ruhr.de> Mail-Followup-To: doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com> <20010312003518.A77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312093709.B3114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010312093709.B3114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:37:09AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 12:35:18AM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > > [0] It might be possible to use the "our" repository (i.e. that of the > > FreeBSD German Documentation Project) for this purpose. I'll talk to > > Alexander Langer (alex@big.endidan.de) about it, it's his box. > > Why do you guys have a separate repository? Does it make things easier > somehow? yes, it does. The three people who are listed in the first commit message on freefall aren't committers and a local repository was the only way to get the ball rolling. The idea was to "collect" changes in our repo and to use our resident committer (Alexander Langer) to commit the changes to freefall every once in a while. And you should be glad that we used this options. The german repository started on my HD on 27-DEC-2000 with revision 1.1. We repo-copied it to it's final location on big.endian.de on 29-DEC-2000 with revision 1.20. I caught the international version of the FAQ (1.132 at that time) on 02-JAN-2001 with the german version 1.76. The first version on freefall is the german version 1.110. Check the archives of de-bsd-translators (http://www.de.freebsd.org/de/archive) for the gory details. The second big advantage of a local repository is the ability to include changes that would cause an outcry if somebody took a closer look at the markup in the german version. The german version doesn't have links to man.cgi, we don't have anymore, the book listings are actually usable, the links to amazon.com work, there are no useless around lists, Nemeth edition 3, ... "If it is worth doing, it is worth doing it right." /s/Udo [0] Alex seems to have lots of not-fun with my habit of slapping the original $FreeBSD$ line into the top of the FAQ to have a reference. -- Ich will keinen erzieherischen Wert, ich will Tote. [Lars Marowsky-Bree in de.alt.sysadmin.recovery] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 14:16:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E7E37B718 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:16:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2CLooV74323; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:50:50 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:50:50 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Documents currently broken for release builds Message-ID: <20010312215050.D74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010312122047N.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LSp5EJdfMPwZcMS1" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010312122047N.jkh@osd.bsdi.com>; from jkh@osd.bsdi.com on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 12:20:47PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --LSp5EJdfMPwZcMS1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 12:20:47PM -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > This looks fairly recent. I hope this gets fixed before 4.3-RELEASE > or we're going out with a mighty thin doc distribution. :| >=20 > =3D=3D=3D> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/ipsec-must > sgmlnorm -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog article.sgml > article.html > tidy -i -m -f /dev/null article.html > Can't open "/home/jkh/.tidyrc" > "html-split" is not a valid output format for this document. > w3m -S -dump article.html > article.txt > w3m: not found > *** Error code 127 >=20 > Stop in /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/ipsec-must. > *** Error code 1 Your doc tree is out of date. It looks like you've used the latest docproj port, which specifies links instead of w3m, but you haven't used the latest doc/ tree. Specifically, you want share/mk/doc.docbook.mk:1.28 N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --LSp5EJdfMPwZcMS1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqtRLkACgkQk6gHZCw343VBSACfbOc7AYPhBTGIXON0iv14g28g sMgAnidle4xCpPGgRoQbVvwzv6fmShpl =/CNY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LSp5EJdfMPwZcMS1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 14:16:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781A137B71C for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:16:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2CLlP074300; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:47:25 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:47:25 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010312214725.B74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com> <20010312003518.A77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312093709.B3114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010312212209.G77178@nathan.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lEGEL1/lMxI0MVQ2" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010312212209.G77178@nathan.ruhr.de>; from ue@nathan.ruhr.de on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:22:09PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --lEGEL1/lMxI0MVQ2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:22:09PM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 12:35:18AM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > > > [0] It might be possible to use the "our" repository (i.e. that of the > > > FreeBSD German Documentation Project) for this purpose. I'll talk to > > > Alexander Langer (alex@big.endidan.de) about it, it's his box. > >=20 > > Why do you guys have a separate repository? Does it make things easier > > somehow? >=20 > yes, it does. The three people who are listed in the first commit message > on freefall aren't committers and a local repository was the only way to > get the ball rolling.=20 Do they want to be committers now? If you guys trust them not to screw up then that's good enough for me. > The second big advantage of a local repository is the ability to include > changes that would cause an outcry if somebody took a closer look at > the markup in the german version.=20 Hmm. > The german version doesn't have links to man.cgi,=20 Neither should the English version. If it does, it's a bug. PR? > we don't have anymore Ditto. Since the other translations key off the English versions, these changes that you make to the German FAQ to improve it won't then make it in to any other translations (or the English version). I think that's a bad thing. > , the book listings are actually usable,=20 Define usable. Something I should have added to the ToDo list I posted. I've got the beginnings of a "bibliography" book that can contain all the recommended reading. Take a look at the attached book.sgml for the idea. Basically, we'd have a standalong bibliography book, if someone just wants to see a list of every book we recommend. And if we have documents like the Handbook, or the FAQ, that also want to refer to a specific book, the don't have to duplicate the information. They can just reference the biblioentry's id, and the stylesheets will pull in the data. So we only have one bibliography to list across the entire project. I don't know yet whether each language should have its own bibliography, or whether it belongs somewhere under doc/share/sgml/. Now's as good a time as any to discuss this in more detail. > the links to amazon.com work,=20 See my other comments. > there are no useless > around lists,=20 Ditto. > Nemeth edition 3, ... Ditto. > "If it is worth doing, it is worth doing it right." I agree. I'd appreciate your help in making sure that all the translations have been improved, not just the German version. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --lEGEL1/lMxI0MVQ2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqtQ+wACgkQk6gHZCw343U3+wCgj6CsWhXda0dyHetulgwomfmN wCgAoIYcx2qss9N00Hu+dOVc94hipZYf =TRbp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lEGEL1/lMxI0MVQ2-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 14:16:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AB437B71F for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:16:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2CLm8474307; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:48:08 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:48:08 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010312214808.C74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com> <20010312003518.A77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312093709.B3114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010312212209.G77178@nathan.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8nsIa27JVQLqB7/C" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010312212209.G77178@nathan.ruhr.de>; from ue@nathan.ruhr.de on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:22:09PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --8nsIa27JVQLqB7/C Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="9Ek0hoCL9XbhcSqy" Content-Disposition: inline --9Ek0hoCL9XbhcSqy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable D'oh. Here's the attached book.sgml for a bibliography. 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f2CLclq74232; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:38:47 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:38:31 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: John Baldwin Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.org, Udo Erdelhoff , Chris Costello Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010312213831.A74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010312093551.A3114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 11:21:36AM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 11:21:36AM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > > I like the idea of a branch in the FAQ, because then no one has to do > > anything different to get it -- supfiles will still work, and so on. >=20 > A branch is painful. =20 Why? I've used CVS branches before (outside FreeBSD) for just this purpose. > Since the FAQ shouldn't be broken, there's no reason to > not just do this on HEAD. =20 Not so much broken, but I expect there will be periods where it's very=20 confusing to readers as the content migrates all over the place. > The DocBook -> LinuxDoc was a bit different, as in > some of your steps it didn't build, IIRC. If that was not the case, then= it > should've been done in the tree with a checkin at each milestone as it we= re. It was done in the tree. We were able to do the Handbook in the tree because the conversion coincided with moving the Handbook from one directory in the tree to another. I just did all the work in the new directory, and the handbook's old directory wasn't touched until the conversion was over. Since we're not planning on moving the FAQ's location in the repo this option isn't available to us. > > When the work is finished, and committed to HEAD, it might be possible = to=20 > > excise this branch from the repo if it's considered bloat. Otherwise we > > can live with it. >=20 > See, we don't need this extra headache. =20 Then we don't have to do this step. I suggested it to pre-empt anyone who might want to bring up repo-bloat as a reason for not doing it. > Also, the merge to HEAD will be > painful if other changes are committed to the FAQ during the move. =20 Possibly I've got the wrong impression here, but I wasn't expecting this to be an overnight job. I've assumed it will probably take a few days, or a week, and that it's entirely possible Chris might go AWOL for a few weeks due to real life (no slight on Chris intended, I've had to do exactly the same myself). If this happens, the current FAQ needs to remain accessible and understandable. My assumption was that the people doing the work on FAQng would be periodically pulling changes from the HEAD back on to their branch. We might have a flag day in which the FAQ is frozen except to the FAQng team to give them breathing space to do any last merges before replacing HEAD, but that's about it. If that's not the case, and we're talking about a mad flurry of individual commits in the space of a night, then that's different. > Instead, > commits during the move will be separate events that the translators can = just > treat as autonomous little events. =20 If the commits leave the FAQ buildable (which I assume they will) and if (and this is much more important) the individual commits leave the FAQ usable to its audience. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqtQdYACgkQk6gHZCw343U76gCgkJF9e1nTxvBTF+FkjX178Zaw vikAn3VxQ4uwXdRH0TjiXnXgz2FV1X5E =bzbg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 14:18: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452CD37B718; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:18:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2CMH3H44260; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:17:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: nik@freebsd.org Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Documents currently broken for release builds In-Reply-To: <20010312215050.D74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010312122047N.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <20010312215050.D74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010312141703F.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:17:03 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 10 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Your doc tree is out of date. It looks like you've used the latest > docproj port, which specifies links instead of w3m, but you haven't used > the latest doc/ tree. Specifically, you want > share/mk/doc.docbook.mk:1.28 Hmmm. Really? I've been updating from cvsup-master every hour on the hour and did just before I started this morning's build. When was the relevent fix committed? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 14:52:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7371037B718; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:52:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2CMqDA91601; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:52:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010312213831.A74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:51:56 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Cc: Chris Costello , Udo Erdelhoff , doc@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12-Mar-01 Nik Clayton wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 11:21:36AM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: >> > I like the idea of a branch in the FAQ, because then no one has to do >> > anything different to get it -- supfiles will still work, and so on. >> >> A branch is painful. > > Why? I've used CVS branches before (outside FreeBSD) for just this > purpose. During the early SMPng work, we were keeping a patchset that floated around between the developers. It wasn't quite a side branch, but it was close. The problem was that other commits to the kernel kept conflicting, making our jobs trying to keep things in sync much more painful, and it wasn't even that big of a patch (400k). Had we actually committed it on a sidebranch, it would have been just as much non-fun. If it were still on a sidebranch right now then it would be unlivable. Keeping your development too far away makes keeping up with other changes more painful. And we won't even go into CVS braindeadedness and the repo bloat this will bring. :-P >> Since the FAQ shouldn't be broken, there's no reason to >> not just do this on HEAD. > > Not so much broken, but I expect there will be periods where it's very > confusing to readers as the content migrates all over the place. Nah. If the question isn't still in the main faq.sgml, it's in one of the chapter.sgml files, and the chapter name should easily help to lcoate it, along with grep -r if necessary. Heck, you'd have to use some kind of search in the editor to get to the point in faq.sgml where the question is anyway. So long as the same question isn't in two different places (which is easy enough to achieve) then there should be no problems. Besides, the actual content moving should probably only take a week at most. We aren't changing any markup or anything, just cut 'n' paste here. >> The DocBook -> LinuxDoc was a bit different, as in >> some of your steps it didn't build, IIRC. If that was not the case, then it >> should've been done in the tree with a checkin at each milestone as it were. > > It was done in the tree. We were able to do the Handbook in the tree > because the conversion coincided with moving the Handbook from one > directory in the tree to another. I just did all the work in the new > directory, and the handbook's old directory wasn't touched until the > conversion was over. Err, it wasn't all done in the tree. :) You had this long itemized list of steps that you took, and those list of steps aren't present as individual commits in the logs. :) >> Also, the merge to HEAD will be >> painful if other changes are committed to the FAQ during the move. > > Possibly I've got the wrong impression here, but I wasn't expecting this > to be an overnight job. I've assumed it will probably take a few days, > or a week, and that it's entirely possible Chris might go AWOL for a few > weeks due to real life (no slight on Chris intended, I've had to do > exactly the same myself). If this happens, the current FAQ needs to > remain accessible and understandable. As long as each piece is moved out atomically the FAQ will be in a fully usable state the entire time. This is not hard to achieve, and it results in no need to merge all the stuff back into HEAD later on and thus possibly losing intermediate changes, etc. > My assumption was that the people doing the work on FAQng would be > periodically pulling changes from the HEAD back on to their branch. We > might have a flag day in which the FAQ is frozen except to the FAQng > team to give them breathing space to do any last merges before replacing > HEAD, but that's about it. The change aren't that drastic. You pull up faq.sgml in one file. Highlight a "chapter". Do your editor's cut operation, pull up the appropriate chapter.sgml file, and do a paste. You then make a few tweaks to add a new entity for the file and include the file in faq.sgml and to add the source file to the Makefile. You then commit all this in one commit. The FAQ before and after is still qutie usable and buildable. Repeat until it's all split up. Aside from waiting forever on jade to do its test build, this might take 10 minutes per chapter. I think the bulk of the work in what Chris has done is in things like merging questions, rewriting, etc. and there's no reason that can't be committed in a normal fashion once the mostly mechanical operation of splitting up the big sgml file has been done. > If that's not the case, and we're talking about a mad flurry of > individual commits in the space of a night, then that's different. > >> Instead, >> commits during the move will be separate events that the translators can >> just >> treat as autonomous little events. > > If the commits leave the FAQ buildable (which I assume they will) and if > (and this is much more important) the individual commits leave the FAQ > usable to its audience. It will be just as usable as it will be when the transition is finished. If people can't grep through the sgml files when it is in transition, how will they find the questions once it is all split up? Doing a branch is extra work that I think you don't needs to be done. > N -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 15: 3:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AC6C37B719 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:03:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 49150 invoked by uid 100); 12 Mar 2001 23:03:35 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15021.21959.926310.507978@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:03:35 -0600 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: PR docs/25497 X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Could I get someone to take a look at this PR, and possibly at it to the FAQ? Thanx, http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 15:14:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0017937B71A; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:14:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2CN6HB75217; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:06:17 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:06:17 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: nik@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Documents currently broken for release builds Message-ID: <20010312230616.A75170@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010312122047N.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <20010312215050.D74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010312141703F.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010312141703F.jkh@osd.bsdi.com>; from jkh@osd.bsdi.com on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 02:17:03PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 02:17:03PM -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > Your doc tree is out of date. It looks like you've used the latest > > docproj port, which specifies links instead of w3m, but you haven't used > > the latest doc/ tree. Specifically, you want > > share/mk/doc.docbook.mk:1.28 >=20 > Hmmm. Really? I've been updating from cvsup-master every hour on the > hour and did just before I started this morning's build. When was the > relevent fix committed? Over a day ago, 11th March, 18:26:06 UTC. See http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/share/mk/doc.docbook.mk and http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/share/mk/doc.docbook.mk.diff?= r1=3D1.27&r2=3D1.28&f=3Dh for details. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqtVmYACgkQk6gHZCw343WqDQCffQMdhmpisZpcNt1jm2hjeB2x seIAnisyDAN7aukhnIfGuwZGO8+dy6q/ =Yc0O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 15:14:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B255737B719; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:14:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2CNDl075240; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:13:47 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 23:13:47 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: John Baldwin Cc: Nik Clayton , Chris Costello , Udo Erdelhoff , doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010312231347.B75170@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010312213831.A74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 02:51:56PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 02:51:56PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > >> Since the FAQ shouldn't be broken, there's no reason to > >> not just do this on HEAD. =20 > >=20 > > Not so much broken, but I expect there will be periods where it's very= =20 > > confusing to readers as the content migrates all over the place. >=20 > Nah. If the question isn't still in the main faq.sgml, it's in one of the > chapter.sgml files, and the chapter name should easily help to lcoate it,= along > with grep -r if necessary. Heck, you'd have to use some kind of search i= n the > editor to get to the point in faq.sgml where the question is anyway. So = long > as the same question isn't in two different places (which is easy enough = to > achieve) then there should be no problems. Besides, the actual content m= oving > should probably only take a week at most. We aren't changing any markup = or > anything, just cut 'n' paste here. I'll leave it up to Chris and the folks doing the work as to whether or not they think the FAQ will be confusing to readers during the transition. > > It was done in the tree. We were able to do the Handbook in the tree > > because the conversion coincided with moving the Handbook from one > > directory in the tree to another. I just did all the work in the new > > directory, and the handbook's old directory wasn't touched until the > > conversion was over. >=20 > Err, it wasn't all done in the tree. :) =20 Oh yes it was. ("Oh no it wasn't!" "Oh yes it was!"). I have the RSI to prove it. > You had this long itemized list of steps that you took, and those list=20 > of steps aren't present as individual commits in the logs. :) cvs checkout doc/en/handbook cd doc/en/handbook cvs log README cvs log handbook.sgml ... > I think the bulk of the work in what Chris has done is in things like mer= ging > questions, rewriting, etc. and there's no reason that can't be committed = in a > normal fashion once the mostly mechanical operation of splitting up the b= ig > sgml file has been done. Chris? > It will be just as usable as it will be when the transition is finished. = If > people can't grep through the sgml files when it is in transition, how wi= ll > they find the questions once it is all split up? =20 I'm not concerned about the authors, it's the people reading the FAQ on the website that I'm worried about. Is there going to a period of time during which the FAQ is difficult for them to use? Chris is the person best placed to answer that. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqtWAkACgkQk6gHZCw343UTKACggi8VbyENE1FjqATerNvzG/Zw 6PIAn0a0i98wZAY07m8TWaGI4wFL26TI =avNe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 15:31:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr4.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D64A37B718 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:31:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 9697 invoked by uid 10); 12 Mar 2001 23:31:14 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2CNTrw83316 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 00:29:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ue) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 00:29:53 +0100 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010313002953.I77178@nathan.ruhr.de> Mail-Followup-To: doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com> <20010312003518.A77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312093709.B3114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010312212209.G77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312214725.B74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010312214725.B74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:47:25PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:47:25PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:22:09PM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > > > > yes, it does. The three people who are listed in the first commit message > > on freefall aren't committers and a local repository was the only way to > > get the ball rolling. > > Do they want to be committers now? If you guys trust them not to screw > up then that's good enough for me. I can't speak for Dirk and Robert. I don't care either way. > I think that's a bad thing. It may be but I was way past the point of caring about that. I have a very finite of free time on my hands and if I spend that time to improve the German translation of the FAQ (or doing other things for the FGDP), I can rely on the fact that other people will profit from my work. On the other hand, my experiences with the international FDP are a rather different story. It took some time but I've learned my lesson and that's why I'm concentrating my efforts on the German version. > Take a look at the attached book.sgml for the idea. I know the basic idea and I still think that it's the wrong way. We've had this discussion in the past and frankly I see no point in restarting it. > I agree. I'd appreciate your help in making sure that all the > translations have been improved, not just the German version. See above. /s/Udo PS: Alex was kind enough to set up an anoncvs server: cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs@big.endian.de:/home/de-bsd-cvs login No password (just press Enter) cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs@big.endian.de:/home/de-bsd-cvs co de-www (German translation of the web pages) cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs@big.endian.de:/home/de-bsd-cvs co de-docproj (German handbook, FAQ, etc) The log messages are in German but it's rather easy to find the commits where I cleaned up with the big broom. -- "In headlines today, the dreaded killfile virus spread across the country adding aol.com to people's usenet kill files everywhere. The programmer of the virus still remains anonymous, but has been nominated several times for a Nobel peace prize." -Mark Atkinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 15:38: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D70437B71F; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:37:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2CNblA93580; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:37:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010312231347.B75170@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 15:37:31 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, Udo Erdelhoff , Chris Costello Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12-Mar-01 Nik Clayton wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 02:51:56PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> Since the FAQ shouldn't be broken, there's no reason to >> >> not just do this on HEAD. >> > >> > Not so much broken, but I expect there will be periods where it's very >> > confusing to readers as the content migrates all over the place. >> >> Nah. If the question isn't still in the main faq.sgml, it's in one of the >> chapter.sgml files, and the chapter name should easily help to lcoate it, >> along >> with grep -r if necessary. Heck, you'd have to use some kind of search in >> the >> editor to get to the point in faq.sgml where the question is anyway. So >> long >> as the same question isn't in two different places (which is easy enough to >> achieve) then there should be no problems. Besides, the actual content >> moving >> should probably only take a week at most. We aren't changing any markup or >> anything, just cut 'n' paste here. > > I'll leave it up to Chris and the folks doing the work as to whether or > not they think the FAQ will be confusing to readers during the > transition. Fair enough, they were just soliciting opinions anyways, and now they've heard both of ours. > >> > It was done in the tree. We were able to do the Handbook in the tree >> > because the conversion coincided with moving the Handbook from one >> > directory in the tree to another. I just did all the work in the new >> > directory, and the handbook's old directory wasn't touched until the >> > conversion was over. >> >> Err, it wasn't all done in the tree. :) > > Oh yes it was. ("Oh no it wasn't!" "Oh yes it was!"). I have the RSI to > prove it. I have the bad memory to prove, uh, that, uh... :-P I just recalled seeing the README thrown up somewhere on a website for reference after the fact and confusedly thought that all of the work was OOB and committed when it was done. *sigh* Your set of commits is exactly what it desired, but since we aren't changing markup just physical location of chunks of text, I think we don't need to do this on the side. >> I think the bulk of the work in what Chris has done is in things like >> merging >> questions, rewriting, etc. and there's no reason that can't be committed in >> a >> normal fashion once the mostly mechanical operation of splitting up the big >> sgml file has been done. > > Chris? Chris Costello. He's already split up the FAQ and done all this rewriting work, etc. He's the one asking for how to do this. :) The only trick is that he has content changes mixed in with the moving bits around part, so he can't just do one mega commit. Instead, he needs to basically redo the moving bits around part first as a set of commits (possibly one gigantic commit if he's really a glutton for punishment) and once that is done start folding in the content changes he has in his local tree. >> It will be just as usable as it will be when the transition is finished. If >> people can't grep through the sgml files when it is in transition, how will >> they find the questions once it is all split up? > > I'm not concerned about the authors, it's the people reading the FAQ on > the website that I'm worried about. Is there going to a period of time > during which the FAQ is difficult for them to use? Chris is the person > best placed to answer that. Err, he's just changing the layout in SGML for the first step, it should have zero effect on what the FAQ looks like once it is formatted. This allows all the translators to know where to split it up into their respective individual files. Once the actual split up is done, each of the chapters can be committed to with the normal rules. Think of the faq.sgml split up as a bunch of whitespace commits. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 16:59:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACECC37B71A; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:59:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2D0wWH80335; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:58:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: nik@freebsd.org Cc: docs@freebsd.org Subject: There's definitely something wrong with the docs. X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010312165832E.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 16:58:32 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 23 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1 ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/committers-guide ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/dialup-firewall ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/diskless-x ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/fonts ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/formatting-media ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/ipsec-must "html-split" is not a valid output format for this document. w3m -S -dump article.html > article.txt w3m: not found *** Error code 127 I have the absolute latest doc and ports cvs repositories and it doesn't appear that the docproj port is properly installing w3m either. Have you actually run a make release with this stuff recently, guys? Thanks. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 17: 9:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2360037B71A; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:09:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2D19Du45742; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:09:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:09:13 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103130109.f2D19Du45742@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dima@unixfreak.org, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dd@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/25188: [PATCH] getaddrinfo(3) manual page has an incomplete list of possible error codes Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] getaddrinfo(3) manual page has an incomplete list of possible error codes State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Mon Mar 12 17:08:46 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Patch committed. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Mar 12 17:08:46 PST 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: My PR. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25188 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 17:25:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A4F6937B71B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:25:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 53375 invoked by uid 100); 13 Mar 2001 01:25:20 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15021.30464.432285.451736@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:25:20 -0600 To: doc@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: PR docs/25496 X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Could I get somebody to please commit this patch? It makes the doc project treat PREFIX/LOCALBASE the same way the ports do, so that the makefiles actually *work* if you don't have LOCALBASE set to /usr/local. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 17:53:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.oss.ru (relay.oss.ru [212.119.32.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A070637B71A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:53:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rusegg@yahoo.com) Received: from red ([212.119.34.100]) by relay.oss.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA27340 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:55:09 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <200103130155.EAA27340@relay.oss.ru> From: kirill To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Ïðàâèëüíàÿ ðåãèñòðàöèÿ X-Mailer: Mail Bomber Reply-To: rusegg@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 04:56:44 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1251 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ðåãèñòðàöèÿ â 30 Ðîññèéñêèõ ïîèñêîâûõ ñèñòåìàõ è êàòàëîãàõ - 30$. 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Åñëè ó âàñ íåò èíòåðíåò ïðåäñòàâèòåëüñòâà âîçìîæíî èçãîòîâëåíèå ñòðàíèöû ñ Âàøèìè êîîðäèíàòàìè, îïèñàíèåì óñëóãè èëè òîâàðà, êîòîðàÿ áóäåò ðàñïîëîæåííà ïî àäðåñó âàøå_èìÿ.narod.ru - 50$ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 17:55:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E5437B718; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:55:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@holly.calldei.com) Received: from holly.calldei.com ([208.191.149.190]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0GA400BEG4L1BB@mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net>; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:39:02 -0600 (CST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f2D1fH253006; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:41:17 -0600 (CST envelope-from chris) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:39:56 -0600 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization In-reply-to: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 03:37:31PM -0800 To: John Baldwin Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.org, Udo Erdelhoff Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20010312193955.A52419@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <20010312231347.B75170@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, March 12, 2001, John Baldwin wrote: > Err, he's just changing the layout in SGML for the first step, it should have > zero effect on what the FAQ looks like once it is formatted. This allows all > the translators to know where to split it up into their respective individual > files. Once the actual split up is done, each of the chapters can be committed > to with the normal rules. Think of the faq.sgml split up as a bunch of > whitespace commits. Glad I didn't have to follow up to each of your replies to one another; this sums it up nicely. I can start over with the new FAQ work. That's not a problem, when you really think about the amount of work involved. It's mostly caring enough and having the patience to deal with Norm's Spawn (modifications by Nik Clayton et. al.) known as DocBook. So far, from all the feedback, I think this is what everybody really wants (despite what they said they _think_ they want): 1. Create a new `install.sgml' (let's just use this as an example chapter). 2. Copy everything from to . 3. Add an entry to chapters.ent 4. Refer to the new SYSTEM entity in place of the old .. 5. Commit. 6. Repeat until all chapters moved to their separate files. After that, moving questions out of inappropriate chapters into the correct chapter, combining Q&A entries that mean essentially the same thing (in a separate commit, I assume). Finally, arranging the chapters in .. groups, and questions into .. groups. This should not require any branch operations and in theory will not leave any part of the FAQ unbuildable ("in theory" leaves me room for a few minor screw-ups). General consensus? -- +-------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+ | Chris Costello | Stack manipulation - the use of inflatable falsies. | | chris@calldei.com | -Datamazing, 4/1/78 | +-------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 18:20: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE0737B718 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2D2K2660360; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:20:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103130220.f2D2K2660360@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Dima Dorfman Subject: Re: docs/25743: Trivial typographic error in ssh.1 Reply-To: Dima Dorfman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/25743; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Dima Dorfman To: dhw@whistle.com Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25743: Trivial typographic error in ssh.1 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:18:48 -0800 dhw@whistle.com writes: > > >Number: 25743 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: Trivial typographic error in ssh.1 > >Description: > Man page for ssh (/usr/src/crypto/openssh/ssh.1) has the string > "ssh ssh", when just "ssh" is wanted. src/crypto is like src/contrib; everything in there is externally maintained. Unless it's a FreeBSD-specific problem (which it isn't in this case), it should be taken up with the OpenSSH folks. In other words, you want to send this to openssh-unix-dev@mindrot.org (the OpenSSH development list). Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 18:43:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from snarf.osdn.com (snarf.osdn.com [209.192.217.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAE437B719; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:43:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@guinness.osdn.com) Received: from guinness.osdn.com (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snarf.osdn.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2D2hfG40628; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:43:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim@guinness.osdn.com) Received: by guinness.osdn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 58FEE16E; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:43:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:43:38 -0500 From: Jim Mock To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: nik@FreeBSD.ORG, docs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: There's definitely something wrong with the docs. Message-ID: <20010312214338.B492@guinness.osdn.com> Reply-To: mij@osdn.com References: <20010312165832E.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.16i In-Reply-To: <20010312165832E.jkh@osd.bsdi.com>; from jkh@osd.bsdi.com on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 04:58:32PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 at 16:58:32 -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1 > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/committers-guide > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/dialup-firewall > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/diskless-x > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/fonts > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/formatting-media > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/ipsec-must > "html-split" is not a valid output format for this document. > w3m -S -dump article.html > article.txt > w3m: not found > *** Error code 127 > > I have the absolute latest doc and ports cvs repositories and it > doesn't appear that the docproj port is properly installing w3m > either. Have you actually run a make release with this stuff > recently, guys? Hmm, I'm not sure why it's looking for w3m, since we're using links now instead of w3m. Unless w3m is hardcoded somewhere in there.. I'll take a look. - jim -- - jim mock - O|S|D|N - open source development network - - http://www.freebsdzine.org/ - jim@freebsdzine.org - jim@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 18:45:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C59C037B718; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:45:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2D2j1A01216; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:45:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010312193955.A52419@holly.calldei.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:44:46 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Chris Costello Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Cc: Udo Erdelhoff , doc@FreeBSD.org, Nik Clayton Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 13-Mar-01 Chris Costello wrote: > On Monday, March 12, 2001, John Baldwin wrote: >> Err, he's just changing the layout in SGML for the first step, it should >> have >> zero effect on what the FAQ looks like once it is formatted. This allows >> all >> the translators to know where to split it up into their respective >> individual >> files. Once the actual split up is done, each of the chapters can be >> committed >> to with the normal rules. Think of the faq.sgml split up as a bunch of >> whitespace commits. > > So far, from all the feedback, I think this is what everybody > really wants (despite what they said they _think_ they want): > > [ snip ] > > General consensus? Sounds good. Are you going to use per-chapter directories or no? -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 18:55:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6FC337B719; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:55:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from spike.unixfreak.org (spike [192.168.2.4]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2463E1E; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:55:21 -0800 (PST) To: mij@osdn.com Cc: Jordan Hubbard , nik@FreeBSD.ORG, docs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: There's definitely something wrong with the docs. In-Reply-To: <20010312214338.B492@guinness.osdn.com>; from mij@osdn.com on "Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:43:38 -0500" Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:55:21 -0800 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010313025521.DD2463E1E@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jim Mock writes: > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 at 16:58:32 -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > I have the absolute latest doc and ports cvs repositories and it > > doesn't appear that the docproj port is properly installing w3m > > either. Have you actually run a make release with this stuff > > recently, guys? > > Hmm, I'm not sure why it's looking for w3m, since we're using links now > instead of w3m. Unless w3m is hardcoded somewhere in there.. I'll take > a look. Nik forgot doc.html.mk. Here's a patch (untested; I don't have the resources to run release builds here, at least not those which will finish in finite time). Regards Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org Index: doc.html.mk =================================================================== RCS file: /st/src/FreeBSD/doc/share/mk/doc.html.mk,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 doc.html.mk --- doc.html.mk 2000/09/28 23:34:49 1.4 +++ doc.html.mk 2001/03/13 02:54:38 @@ -110,7 +110,7 @@ .endif ${DOC}.txt: ${DOC}.html - w3m -S -dump ${.ALLSRC} > ${.TARGET} + links -S -dump ${.ALLSRC} > ${.TARGET} ${DOC}.pdb: ${DOC}.html iSiloBSD -y -d0 -Idef ${DOC}.html ${DOC}.pdb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 18:56:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from snarf.osdn.com (snarf.osdn.com [209.192.217.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A46837B718; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:56:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@guinness.osdn.com) Received: from guinness.osdn.com (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snarf.osdn.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2D2uaG40727; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:56:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim@guinness.osdn.com) Received: by guinness.osdn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 76EA516E; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:56:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:56:34 -0500 From: Jim Mock To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: nik@FreeBSD.ORG, docs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: There's definitely something wrong with the docs. Message-ID: <20010312215633.C492@guinness.osdn.com> Reply-To: mij@osdn.com References: <20010312165832E.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <20010312214338.B492@guinness.osdn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.16i In-Reply-To: <20010312214338.B492@guinness.osdn.com>; from mij@osdn.com on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:43:38PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 at 21:43:38 -0500, Jim Mock wrote: > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 at 16:58:32 -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1 > > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles > > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/committers-guide > > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/dialup-firewall > > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/diskless-x > > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions > > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/fonts > > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/formatting-media > > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/ipsec-must > > "html-split" is not a valid output format for this document. > > w3m -S -dump article.html > article.txt > > w3m: not found > > *** Error code 127 > > > > I have the absolute latest doc and ports cvs repositories and it > > doesn't appear that the docproj port is properly installing w3m > > either. Have you actually run a make release with this stuff > > recently, guys? > > Hmm, I'm not sure why it's looking for w3m, since we're using links > now instead of w3m. Unless w3m is hardcoded somewhere in there.. > I'll take a look. Welp, it looks like this is the culprit: [jim@guinness:~/freebsd/doc]$ grep -r "w3m" . | more ... ./share/mk/doc.html.mk: w3m -S -dump ${.ALLSRC} > ${.TARGET} ... It appears Nik missed a bit when he did the switch to links instead. - jim -- - jim mock - O|S|D|N - open source development network - - http://www.freebsdzine.org/ - jim@freebsdzine.org - jim@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 19: 0: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from snarf.osdn.com (snarf.osdn.com [209.192.217.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69C837B73D; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:59:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@guinness.osdn.com) Received: from guinness.osdn.com (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snarf.osdn.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2D2xnG40761; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:59:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jim@guinness.osdn.com) Received: by guinness.osdn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1A73016E; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:59:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 21:59:47 -0500 From: Jim Mock To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Jordan Hubbard , nik@FreeBSD.ORG, docs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: There's definitely something wrong with the docs. Message-ID: <20010312215947.D492@guinness.osdn.com> Reply-To: mij@osdn.com References: <20010312214338.B492@guinness.osdn.com> <20010313025521.DD2463E1E@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.16i In-Reply-To: <20010313025521.DD2463E1E@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 06:55:21PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 at 18:55:21 -0800, Dima Dorfman wrote: > Jim Mock writes: > > On Mon, 12 Mar 2001 at 16:58:32 -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > I have the absolute latest doc and ports cvs repositories and it > > > doesn't appear that the docproj port is properly installing w3m > > > either. Have you actually run a make release with this stuff > > > recently, guys? > > > > Hmm, I'm not sure why it's looking for w3m, since we're using links > > now instead of w3m. Unless w3m is hardcoded somewhere in there.. > > I'll take a look. > > Nik forgot doc.html.mk. Here's a patch (untested; I don't have the > resources to run release builds here, at least not those which will > finish in finite time). Yep, I just replied to my own message on -doc :-) I'll commit this now so Jordan can test it since I don't have a machine to run a release on build either :-) - jim -- - jim mock - O|S|D|N - open source development network - - http://www.freebsdzine.org/ - jim@freebsdzine.org - jim@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 19: 1:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCB037B718; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:01:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@holly.calldei.com) Received: from holly.calldei.com ([208.191.149.190]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0GA400BR47SZRW@mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net>; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:48:35 -0600 (CST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f2D2opE53210; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:50:51 -0600 (CST envelope-from chris) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:49:46 -0600 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization In-reply-to: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 06:44:46PM -0800 To: John Baldwin Cc: Udo Erdelhoff , doc@FreeBSD.org, Nik Clayton Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20010312204945.B52419@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <20010312193955.A52419@holly.calldei.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, March 12, 2001, John Baldwin wrote: > Sounds good. Are you going to use per-chapter directories or no? I'm guessing "no" at this point, unless anybody else has any input on that part. As it is now, there aren't any images in the FAQ, and I don't really see a need for them myself. Just waiting for a while to make sure there are no other suggestions/objections, though, from anybody else. -- +-------------------+------------------------------------------------+ | Chris Costello | How was Thomas J. Watson buried? 9 edge down. | | chris@calldei.com | | +-------------------+------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 19:58:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5BA37B718; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:58:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2D3wPw77892; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:58:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:58:25 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103130358.f2D3wPw77892@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dd@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/25497: [PATCH} There is no answer to the FAQ about updating ports in the FAQ. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH} There is no answer to the FAQ about updating ports in the FAQ. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Mar 12 19:58:10 PST 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll take this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25497 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 20: 0:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3DF37B71B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2D403X78112; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 20:00:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103130400.f2D403X78112@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Dima Dorfman Subject: Re: docs/25656: New FAQ entry for 'toor' account (PATCH) Reply-To: Dima Dorfman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/25656; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Dima Dorfman To: mark@type49.com Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25656: New FAQ entry for 'toor' account (PATCH) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 19:53:00 -0800 mark@type49.com writes: > > >Number: 25656 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: New FAQ entry for 'toor' account (PATCH) > >Description: > > New FAQ entry to answer "what's this 'toor' account?" A few suggestions: - This seems to imply that bash is the only shell that can be used with toor; this isn't true. - Please try to follow the existing style in the file (newlines after     ; goes outside of ). - 'toor' and 'root' should probably be surrounded with tags. Other than that, it looks pretty good. Thanks Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 22:18:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr4.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD9C237B71A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:18:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 26088 invoked by uid 10); 13 Mar 2001 06:18:13 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2D5onV85541 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:50:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ue) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 06:50:49 +0100 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010313065049.A83336@nathan.ruhr.de> Mail-Followup-To: doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20010312231347.B75170@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010312193955.A52419@holly.calldei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010312193955.A52419@holly.calldei.com>; from chris@calldei.com on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 07:39:56PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 07:39:56PM -0600, Chris Costello wrote: > So far, from all the feedback, I think this is what everybody > really wants (despite what they said they _think_ they want): ;-) > General consensus? Sounds good. /s/Udo -- After the night I've had, on top of the year that I've had, what I really want is a nice vile kill. But since that's currently off the menu, I'll have to settle for a few stiff drinks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 12 22:20: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4684837B71C for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2D6K1E05553; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE95D37B71B for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:12:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2D6CYt03099; Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:12:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200103130612.f2D6CYt03099@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 22:12:34 -0800 (PST) From: CGiordano@ids.net To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/25764: libc_r man pages missing tag for conforming POSIX standard Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25764 >Category: docs >Synopsis: libc_r man pages missing tag for conforming POSIX standard >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Mar 12 22:20:00 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Chris Giordano >Release: 4.3-BETA >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD boston 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #2: Wed Mar 7 12:17:22 EST 2001 root@boston:/opt/FreeBSD/src/src/sys/compile/BOSTON i386 >Description: In the libc_r man pages for sigwait.3, pthread_sigmask.3, and many others, all end like this: STANDARDS () conforms to Conforms to what? There is the follwing macro: .St -p1003.1-96 at the end but it doesn't seem to be being picked up or is not defined properly(?). >How-To-Repeat: man sigwait man pthread_sigmask etc. >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 1:13:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827CE37B719; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:13:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2D9DHr34510; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:13:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:13:17 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103130913.f2D9DHr34510@freefall.freebsd.org> To: schweikh@schweikhardt.net, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25647: Handbook, Loader Program Flow, missing 'not' leads to bogus logic. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Handbook, Loader Program Flow, missing 'not' leads to bogus logic. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Tue Mar 13 01:12:16 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: This was fixed in revision 1.9 of doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/boot/chapter.sgml by dannyboy. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25647 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 1:55: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9994F37B718; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:55:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2D9t6Q40327; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:55:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:55:06 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103130955.f2D9t6Q40327@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mwm@mired.org, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25496: [PATCH} Doc makefiles are not LOCALBASE clean. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH} Doc makefiles are not LOCALBASE clean. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Tue Mar 13 01:54:55 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, ta. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25496 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 2:34:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34DA337B722; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 02:34:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2DA55102347; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:05:05 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:05:05 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: John Baldwin Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.org, Udo Erdelhoff , Chris Costello Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010313100502.A2130@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010312231347.B75170@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 03:37:31PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 03:37:31PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > >> I think the bulk of the work in what Chris has done is in things like > >> merging > >> questions, rewriting, etc. and there's no reason that can't be committ= ed in > >> a > >> normal fashion once the mostly mechanical operation of splitting up th= e big > >> sgml file has been done. > >=20 > > Chris? >=20 > Chris Costello. He's already split up the FAQ and done all this rewriting That wasn't a "Chris? Who the hell is Chris?" comment, it was a "Chris? Now we would be a good time for you to tell us what you think" comment. It's all in the inflection :-) N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqt8MkACgkQk6gHZCw343W74wCgjJlpjsM6YcN1DEIOpnPNkqdT XLQAnj34HY0VmMx9vAFhLakD8Dyk/pMr =fVLP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 4:52: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A0D37B718 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:52:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2DCjPN04726; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:45:25 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:45:24 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010313124524.B2130@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com> <20010312003518.A77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312093709.B3114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010312212209.G77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312214725.B74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313002953.I77178@nathan.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="E39vaYmALEf/7YXx" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010313002953.I77178@nathan.ruhr.de>; from ue@nathan.ruhr.de on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 12:29:53AM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --E39vaYmALEf/7YXx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 12:29:53AM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:47:25PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:22:09PM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > > >=20 > > > yes, it does. The three people who are listed in the first commit mes= sage > > > on freefall aren't committers and a local repository was the only way= to > > > get the ball rolling.=20 > >=20 > > Do they want to be committers now? If you guys trust them not to screw > > up then that's good enough for me. >=20 > I can't speak for Dirk and Robert. I don't care either way. Would it make your life easier? I notice a couple of infrastructure-like PRs from you in the PR database, which you could do. > > I think that's a bad thing. >=20 > It may be but I was way past the point of caring about that. I have a very > finite of free time on my hands=20 As do we all. > and if I spend that time to improve the > German translation of the FAQ (or doing other things for the FGDP), I can > rely on the fact that other people will profit from my work. >=20 > On the other hand, my experiences with the international FDP are a rather > different story.=20 I'm sorry? I've just reviewed all the messages I have from you in my -doc archive, and I don't see what's caused you to come to this conclusion. As far as I can tell, the only thing we've disagreed on is how to handle the bibliographic stuff. That discussion petered out because you wanted a solution that worked for you immediately, and I wanted something that was more in keeping with the philosophy behind the markup. At the time, I had no examples to demonstrate what I was talking about. Since this is now somewhat closer to implementation than it was last time, I think it's appropriate to discuss it in more detail now. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --E39vaYmALEf/7YXx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjquFmMACgkQk6gHZCw343XUeACfZDNJdmVPoRV4OMQd3WuROWPT zfMAn2ORZRXOrdcqB+YCyM2ckHFHllwd =OCRI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --E39vaYmALEf/7YXx-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 4:52:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410FC37B72E; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 04:52:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2DCn6E04742; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:49:06 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 12:49:05 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Chris Costello Cc: John Baldwin , Udo Erdelhoff , doc@FreeBSD.org, Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010313124905.C2130@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010312193955.A52419@holly.calldei.com> <20010312204945.B52419@holly.calldei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="c3bfwLpm8qysLVxt" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010312204945.B52419@holly.calldei.com>; from chris@calldei.com on Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 08:49:46PM -0600 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --c3bfwLpm8qysLVxt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 08:49:46PM -0600, Chris Costello wrote: > On Monday, March 12, 2001, John Baldwin wrote: > > Sounds good. Are you going to use per-chapter directories or no? >=20 > I'm guessing "no" at this point, unless anybody else has any > input on that part. As it is now, there aren't any images in the > FAQ, and I don't really see a need for them myself. Just waiting > for a while to make sure there are no other > suggestions/objections, though, from anybody else. Although we can't do it yet (because the infrastructure hasn't been committed) we should support (in the case of the handbook) cd chapter-name make index.html or similar, to allow authors to build a specific chapter. This is particularly important for the Handbook, because it takes an age to build. If we do this infrastructure once for the Handbook, it should be trivial to do it for the FAQ. If we keep the FAQ without subdirectories then it's a bit more difficult. I'll leave it up to you as to whether or not that's a compelling argument one way or another. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --c3bfwLpm8qysLVxt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjquF0AACgkQk6gHZCw343X/ZwCfYeuvJkp+2b0Y8KotCcxc9sve rRYAn1M/Uk7FYQeTn+EsUqw+QBrJm2V7 =RoU5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --c3bfwLpm8qysLVxt-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 7:48:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from twister.domainfactory.de (twister.domainfactory.de [212.84.255.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 87B7F37B719 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:48:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@gizmo.quizbot.org) Received: (qmail 31137 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2001 15:47:59 -0000 Received: from blndi4-145-253-140-200.arcor-ip.net (HELO gizmo.quizbot.org) ([145.253.140.200]) (envelope-sender ) by twister.domainfactory.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Mar 2001 15:47:59 -0000 Message-ID: <3AAE4148.36016D87@gizmo.quizbot.org> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:48:24 +0100 From: Robert Drehmel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton Cc: Udo Erdelhoff , doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization References: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com> <20010312003518.A77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312093709.B3114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010312212209.G77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312214725.B74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In <20010312214725.B74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>, Nik Clayton wrote: > > yes, it does. The three people who are listed in the first commit message > > on freefall aren't committers and a local repository was the only way to > > get the ball rolling. > > Do they want to be committers now? If you guys trust them not to screw > up then that's good enough for me. Yes, why not. ciao, -robert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 8: 0: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7887C37B72D for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:00:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2DG01K15629; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:00:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from hand.dotat.at (sfo-gw.covalent.net [207.44.198.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F7E37B71C for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 07:59:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fanf@dotat.at) Received: from fanf by hand.dotat.at with local (Exim 3.20 #3) id 14crCd-000CxS-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:59:15 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:59:15 +0000 From: Tony Finch Reply-To: Tony Finch To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/25774: incorrect synopsis in vnconfig(8) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25774 >Category: docs >Synopsis: incorrect synopsis in vnconfig(8) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Mar 13 08:00:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Tony Finch >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: Covalent Technologies, Inc. >Environment: FreeBSD hand.dotat.at 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #4: Wed Feb 21 00:26:12 GMT 2001 fanf@hand.dotat.at:/FreeBSD/obj/FreeBSD/releng4/sys/DELL-Latitude-CSx i386 sources cvsupped Wed Mar 7 03:28:39 GMT 2001 >Description: The -T and -Z options are missing from the synopsis in the vnconfig(8) manual page. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: vnconfig.8 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/vnconfig/vnconfig.8,v retrieving revision 1.14.2.5 diff -u -r1.14.2.5 vnconfig.8 --- vnconfig.8 2001/03/06 14:21:46 1.14.2.5 +++ vnconfig.8 2001/03/13 15:56:00 @@ -45,7 +45,7 @@ .Nd configure and enable vnode disks .Sh SYNOPSIS .Nm -.Op Fl cdeguv +.Op Fl cdeguvTZ .Oo Fl s Ar option Ns .Op , Ns Ar option Ns Ar ... Oc .Oo Fl r Ar option Ns >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 8:23:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from moby.geekhouse.net (moby.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3351037B721; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:23:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@dhcp152.geekhouse.net [192.168.1.152]) by moby.geekhouse.net (8.11.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f2DGPY166356; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:25:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010313100502.A2130@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 08:23:23 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Cc: Chris Costello , Udo Erdelhoff , doc@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 13-Mar-01 Nik Clayton wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 03:37:31PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > > But that's the best way to consume vast amounts of your work day! ;) >> > Chris? >> >> Chris Costello. He's already split up the FAQ and done all this rewriting > > > > That wasn't a "Chris? Who the hell is Chris?" comment, it was a "Chris? > Now we would be a good time for you to tell us what you think" comment. > > It's all in the inflection :-) E-mail is definitely a limited communcation medium. :) -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 13:37:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0217E37B71B; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 13:37:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@holly.calldei.com) Received: from holly.calldei.com ([208.191.149.190]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0GA5007G0MQ5K4@mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net>; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:08:30 -0600 (CST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f2DL8Ww55373; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:08:32 -0600 (CST envelope-from chris) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:08:31 -0600 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization In-reply-to: <20010313124905.C2130@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 12:49:05PM +0000 To: Nik Clayton Cc: John Baldwin , Udo Erdelhoff , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20010313150831.C52419@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <20010312193955.A52419@holly.calldei.com> <20010312204945.B52419@holly.calldei.com> <20010313124905.C2130@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, March 13, 2001, Nik Clayton wrote: > Although we can't do it yet (because the infrastructure hasn't been > committed) we should support (in the case of the handbook) > > cd chapter-name > make index.html > > or similar, to allow authors to build a specific chapter. > > This is particularly important for the Handbook, because it takes an age > to build. If we do this infrastructure once for the Handbook, it should > be trivial to do it for the FAQ. If we keep the FAQ without > subdirectories then it's a bit more difficult. Perhaps "Maybe yes", then. This is reasonably compelling of a reason to make the FAQ into a foobar/chapter.sgml type structure instead of a foobar.sgml thing. Consistency gives it extra points, too. Any compelling reasons not to? -- +-------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Chris Costello | In computer science, we stand on each | | chris@calldei.com | other's feet. - Brian Reid | +-------------------+---------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 14:16:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr4.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A69637B718 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:16:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 13016 invoked by uid 10); 13 Mar 2001 22:16:09 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2DMGsr88760 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:16:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ue) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:16:54 +0100 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010313231654.G83336@nathan.ruhr.de> Mail-Followup-To: doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com> <20010312003518.A77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312093709.B3114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010312212209.G77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312214725.B74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313002953.I77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010313124524.B2130@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010313124524.B2130@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 12:45:24PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 12:45:24PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > [commit bit for Robert, Dirk and me?] > > > > I can't speak for Dirk and Robert. I don't care either way. > > Would it make your life easier? Right now, I translate the entries and tell Alex "venture forth, my brave committer and inflict them on freefall". With the bit, I would just put them there myself. On the other hand, Alex would probably be delighted to tell me "Go and do it yourself". There's one thing I forgot in my first answer: I'm certain that Dirk and Robert can be trusted with a commit. They have one in the German repo. On the other hand, I do not trust myself with anything ;-) > I notice a couple of infrastructure-like PRs from you in the PR database, > which you could do. Yes, I was idealistic (or, in hindsight, stupid) enough to spend lots of time on "infrastructure-like" (nice phrase) and other work for the FDP. The results of that work do not encourage me to do it again. Do the words "excuse me for trying to help, I won't do it again" ring any bells? > As far as I can tell, the only thing we've disagreed on is > how to handle the bibliographic stuff. I've spend too much time talking to a wall and working for the trash can. That are the reasons why I concentrate my time on the FGDP, not some unimportant difference in opinion. /s/Udo -- Why is it that if someone tells you that there are 1 billion stars in the universe you will believe them, but if they tell you a wall has wet paint you will have to touch it to be sure? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 14:33:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from humanahom.com (opt5.adgrafix.com [216.248.193.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6878737B718 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:33:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cp@humanahom.com) Received: from administrateur [193.253.220.207] by humanahom.com [216.248.193.11] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.4.T) for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 05:03:34 -0500 From: "cp@humanahom.com" To: "freebsd-doc@freebsd.org" Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:04:27 +0000 Subject: Do you remember our cultural affair ? (no virus...) 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    ------=_NextPart_000_001__29936202_83074,8-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 14:53:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr4.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B5D037B71A for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:53:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 15732 invoked by uid 10); 13 Mar 2001 22:53:43 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2DMN4o89025 for doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:23:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ue) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 23:23:04 +0100 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010313232304.H83336@nathan.ruhr.de> Mail-Followup-To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010312193955.A52419@holly.calldei.com> <20010312204945.B52419@holly.calldei.com> <20010313124905.C2130@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313150831.C52419@holly.calldei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010313150831.C52419@holly.calldei.com>; from chris@calldei.com on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:08:31PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:08:31PM -0600, Chris Costello wrote: > reason to make the FAQ into a foobar/chapter.sgml type structure > instead of a foobar.sgml thing. Consistency gives it extra > points, too. Any compelling reasons not to? In that case, please use foobar/foobar.sgml. Having 5 or 6 editors editing "chapter.sgml" is confusing. /s/Udo -- Cocaine is nature's way of telling you you have too much money. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 15:26:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB8B37B718 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:26:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2DNPbH48794 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:25:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Docs still broken in -stable. :-( X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010313152537Z.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:25:37 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 16 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/ipsec-must sgmlnorm -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog article.sgml > article.html tidy -i -m -f /dev/null article.html Can't open "/home/jkh/.tidyrc" "html-split" is not a valid output format for this document. links -S -dump article.html > article.txt Unable to find or create links config directory. Please check, that you have $HO ME variable set correctly and that you have write permission to your home direct ory. Unknown option -S *** Error code 3 I really wish you guys would try to build the handbook as part of a release sometime. :( - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 15:39: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2CD37B71E for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:38:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2DNcjG41746; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:38:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010313152537Z.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 15:38:25 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Jordan Hubbard Subject: RE: Docs still broken in -stable. :-( Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 13-Mar-01 Jordan Hubbard wrote: > ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/ipsec-must > sgmlnorm -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog article.sgml > article.html > tidy -i -m -f /dev/null article.html > Can't open "/home/jkh/.tidyrc" > "html-split" is not a valid output format for this document. > links -S -dump article.html > article.txt > Unable to find or create links config directory. Please check, that you have > $HO > ME variable set correctly and that you have write permission to your home > direct > ory. > Unknown option -S > *** Error code 3 > > I really wish you guys would try to build the handbook as part of > a release sometime. :( I can't get the html port to even fetch here at work. Looks like I need to sit down and manually refetch all the distfiles again. *sigh* FWIW, this particular problem was fixed today. > - Jordan -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 16:30:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F188D37B758 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2E0U1k12499; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8878A37B718 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:21:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org) Received: (from dan@localhost) by xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2E0LIE90913; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:21:18 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from dan) Message-Id: <200103140021.f2E0LIE90913@xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:21:18 +1300 (NZDT) From: dan@freebsddiary.rg Reply-To: dan@freebsddiary.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guide Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25783 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Add a new rule to the Committer Guide >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Mar 13 16:30:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Dan Langille >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA i386 >Organization: The FreeBSD Diary / FreshPorts >Environment: System: FreeBSD xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #1: Tue Mar 13 13:03:33 NZDT 2001 root@xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/XEON i386 >Description: The Committer Guide refers to respecting other committers. It should also including respecting other contributors. >How-To-Repeat: see http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/committers-guide/x800.html >Fix: patch included. --- article.sgml.original Wed Mar 14 13:05:31 2001 +++ article.sgml Wed Mar 14 13:09:47 2001 @@ -1213,6 +1213,10 @@ + Respect other contributors. + + + Discuss any significant change before committing. @@ -1353,6 +1357,25 @@ project's leadership enjoys in the slightest, but unity comes first. No amount of code or good advice is worth trading that away.     + + + + Respect other contributors. + + You weren't always a committer. At one time you were + a contributor. Remember that at all times. Remember what + it was like trying to get help and attention. Don't forget + that your work as a contributor time was very important to + you. Remember what it was like. Don't discourage, belittle, + or demean contributors. Treat them with respect. They are + our committers in waiting. They are every bit as important + to the project as committers. Their contributions are as + valid and as important as your own. After all, you made + many contributions before you became a committer. Always + remember that. + + Consider the points raised under 'Respect other committers' + and apply them also to contributors. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 16:50: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA3437B71A for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:50:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2E0o0D14398; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:50:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A30F37B719 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:41:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org) Received: (from dan@localhost) by xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2E0fMB91209; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:41:22 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from dan) Message-Id: <200103140041.f2E0fMB91209@xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:41:22 +1300 (NZDT) From: dan@freebsddiary.org Reply-To: dan@freebsddiary.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/25785: add myself to the list of contributors Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25785 >Category: docs >Synopsis: add myself to the list of contributors >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Mar 13 16:50:00 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Dan Langille >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA i386 >Organization: The FreeBSD Diary / FreshPorts >Environment: System: FreeBSD xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #1: Tue Mar 13 13:03:33 NZDT 2001 root@xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/XEON i386 >Description: Add myself to the list of contributors >How-To-Repeat: see http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/contrib-additional.html >Fix: patch follows: --- chapter.sgml.original Wed Mar 14 13:36:56 2001 +++ chapter.sgml Wed Mar 14 13:38:01 2001 @@ -1967,6 +1967,10 @@ + Dan Langille dan@freebsddiary.org + + + Dan Lukes dan@obluda.cz >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 17: 0: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3905D37B718 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2E103n15486; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:00:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103140100.f2E103n15486@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: John Baldwin Subject: RE: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guide Reply-To: John Baldwin Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/25783; it has been noted by GNATS. From: John Baldwin To: dan@freebsddiary.rg Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guide Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:55:08 -0800 (PST) On 14-Mar-01 dan@freebsddiary.rg wrote: > >>Number: 25783 >>Category: docs >>Synopsis: Add a new rule to the Committer Guide >>Confidential: no >>Severity: non-critical >>Priority: low >>Responsible: freebsd-doc >>State: open >>Quarter: >>Keywords: >>Date-Required: >>Class: change-request >>Submitter-Id: current-users >>Arrival-Date: Tue Mar 13 16:30:01 PST 2001 >>Closed-Date: >>Last-Modified: >>Originator: Dan Langille >>Release: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA i386 >>Organization: > The FreeBSD Diary / FreshPorts >>Environment: > System: FreeBSD xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #1: Tue Mar > 13 13:03:33 NZDT 2001 root@xeon.int.nz.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/XEON > i386 > > >>Description: > The Committer Guide refers to respecting other committers. It should > also including respecting other contributors. >>How-To-Repeat: > see http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/committers-guide/x800.html >>Fix: > > patch included. Hmm, the only thing I see with this (the patch looks ok) is that the rules in the CG were actually a list of rules that were drafted by -core and voted on by the committers about a year or so ago. I'm not sure one can just add new rules out of the blue, but then again there is no provision for what to do with proposed changes to the rules. Nik? FWIW, the point you raise is important, and I would hope that it wouldn't even need to be explicit. Then again, the same is true of respecting other committers. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 13 19:13:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B24837B719; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:13:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2E3Dfj59584; Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:13:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:13:41 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103140313.f2E3Dfj59584@freefall.freebsd.org> To: B.Candler@pobox.com, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dd@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/25556: "Upgrading FreeBSD from source" tutorial does not exist or hard to find Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: "Upgrading FreeBSD from source" tutorial does not exist or hard to find State-Changed-From-To: open->suspended State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Tue Mar 13 19:13:06 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fixed in -current, awaiting MFC. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Mar 13 19:13:06 PST 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll take care of this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25556 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 0:50: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E56D37B71B; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:50:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ru@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2E8o5805846; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:50:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:50:05 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103140850.f2E8o5805846@freefall.freebsd.org> To: CGiordano@ids.net, ru@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25764: libc_r man pages missing tag for conforming POSIX standard Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: libc_r man pages missing tag for conforming POSIX standard State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ru State-Changed-When: Wed Mar 14 00:47:36 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fixed in src/contrib/groff/tmac/doc-syms,v 1.24.2.8. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25764 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 1: 0:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7C737B71A for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:00:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2E902217966; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:00:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mailhost01.reflexnet.net (mailhost01.reflexnet.net [64.6.192.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A789C37B718 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:56:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@rfx-216-196-73-168.users.reflexcom.com) Received: from rfx-216-196-73-168.users.reflexcom.com ([216.196.73.168]) by mailhost01.reflexnet.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:54:38 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by rfx-216-196-73-168.users.reflexcom.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2E8ui814762; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:56:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Message-Id: <200103140856.f2E8ui814762@rfx-216-196-73-168.users.reflexcom.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 00:56:44 -0800 (PST) From: cjclark@reflexcom.com Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/25796: ipfw(8) manpage has no info on "Rule -1" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25796 >Category: docs >Synopsis: ipfw(8) manpage has no info on "Rule -1" >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Mar 14 01:00:02 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Crist J. Clark >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD 4-STABLE and 5-CURRENT standard docs. >Description: When logging is enabled in ipfw(8), it may report that packets were dropped by "Rule -1." From examing the code, this can occur under two conditions: (1) a call to m_pullup returns zero or (2) a TCP fragment with an offset of 1 is encountered. For the first issue, I am not enough of a kernel-mbuf guy to know exactly what the implications are. However, for the second case, there is already text in the ipfw(8) manpage spelling this out, but no reference to the fact this is reported as "Rule -1." >How-To-Repeat: Enable firewall logining and fire tiny, the smallest possible, fragments at it to see "Rule -1." Use 'man ipfw' to review the documentation. >Fix: A quick sentence in ipfw(8) should be a nice RTFM pointer since this pops up frequently on the mail lists. A simple patch, --- ipfw.8.orig Sat Feb 24 04:04:10 2001 +++ ipfw.8 Wed Mar 14 00:46:30 2001 @@ -1006,7 +1006,8 @@ discard, that is a TCP packet's fragment with a fragment offset of one. This is a valid packet, but it only has one use, to try -to circumvent firewalls. +to circumvent firewalls. When logging is enabled, these packets are +reported as being dropped by rule -1. .It If you are logged in over a network, loading the .Xr kld 4 >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 1:30: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E9E837B71A for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2E9U1o43171; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from basil.veltec.co.jp (camomile.veltec.co.jp [211.2.223.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9370537B71B for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 01:25:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yuko@veltec.co.jp) Received: (from yuko@localhost) by basil.veltec.co.jp (8.10.0.Beta6/3.7W07/04/00) id f2E9PNR07430; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:25:23 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200103140925.f2E9PNR07430@basil.veltec.co.jp> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:25:23 +0900 (JST) From: yuko@veltec.co.jp Reply-To: yuko@veltec.co.jp To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/25797: socket.2 man file is strange, with a draft amendment. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25797 >Category: docs >Synopsis: socket.2 man file is strange, with a draft amendment. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Mar 14 01:30:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Yuko Sasaki >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-20010112-STABLE >Organization: FreeBSD Japanese Manual Translation Project >Environment: 4.2-RELEASE, with man distribution >Description: socket.2 is SOCK_RDM Sequenced packet stream, SOCK_SEQPACKET Reliably-delivered packet src/sys/sys/socket.h is (* $FreeBSD: src/sys/sys/socket.h,v 1.49 2001/02/17 03:49:24 bde Exp $) #define SOCK_RDM 4 /* reliably-delivered message */ #define SOCK_SEQPACKET 5 /* sequenced packet stream */ It is reverse. Doesn't it correct by patch? >How-To-Repeat: Do "man 2 socket.2". >Fix: % diff -u /usr/share/man/man2 socket.2 --- /usr/share/man/man2/socket.2 Tue Jan 16 02:33:25 2001 +++ socket.2 Wed Mar 14 18:19:28 2001 @@ -103,8 +103,8 @@ SOCK_STREAM Stream socket, SOCK_DGRAM Datagram socket, SOCK_RAW Raw-protocol interface, -SOCK_RDM Sequenced packet stream, -SOCK_SEQPACKET Reliably-delivered packet +SOCK_RDM Reliably-delivered packet +SOCK_SEQPACKET Sequenced packet stream, .Ed .Pp A >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 2:50: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23B237B719 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:50:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2EAo2Y73284; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:50:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 02:50:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103141050.f2EAo2Y73284@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: mark@type49.com (mark drayton) Subject: Re: docs/25656: New FAQ entry for 'toor' account (PATCH) Reply-To: mark@type49.com (mark drayton) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/25656; it has been noted by GNATS. From: mark@type49.com (mark drayton) To: dima@unixfreak.org Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25656: New FAQ entry for 'toor' account (PATCH) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:46:06 +0000 (GMT) diffed against doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v 1.154 --- /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml Wed Mar 14 06:40:16 2001 +++ book.sgml Wed Mar 14 10:26:09 2001 @@ -6303,6 +6303,40 @@ + + What's this UID 0 'toor' account? Have I been compromised? + + + + Don't worry. toor is an 'alternative' + superuser account (toor is root spelt backwards). Previously + it was created when the &man.bash.1; shell was installed but + recently it has been created by default. It is intended to + be used with a non-standard shell so you don't have to + change root's default shell. This is + important as shells which aren't part of the base + distribution (for example a shell installed from ports or + packages) are likely be to be installed in + /usr/local/bin which, by default, + resides on a different disk partition. If root's + shell is located in /usr/local/bin + and /usr (or whatever partition + contains /usr/local/bin) is unmountable + for some reason, root won't be able to + log in to fix the problem (although if you reboot into + single user mode you'll be prompted for the path to a shell). Some people use toor for day-to-day + root tasks with a non-standard shell, leaving root + (with /bin/csh or /bin/sh) for single user mode or emergencies. By default you can't + log in using toor as it doesn't have a + password, so log in as root and set a password for + toor: + &prompt.root; passwd toor + + then log out and try logging in as toor. + + + + Eek! I forgot the root password! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 5:18:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBA037B718 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 05:18:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2EBfFP06243; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:41:15 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:41:15 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Docs still broken in -stable. :-( Message-ID: <20010314114114.A6138@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010313152537Z.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010313152537Z.jkh@osd.bsdi.com>; from jkh@osd.bsdi.com on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:25:37PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:25:37PM -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > =3D=3D=3D> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/ipsec-must > sgmlnorm -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog article.sgml > article.html > tidy -i -m -f /dev/null article.html > Can't open "/home/jkh/.tidyrc" > "html-split" is not a valid output format for this document. > links -S -dump article.html > article.txt > Unable to find or create links config directory. Please check, that you h= ave $HO > ME variable set correctly and that you have write permission to your home= direct > ory. > Unknown option -S > *** Error code 3 Fixed last night, I think (by removing the -S). N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqvWNkACgkQk6gHZCw343UO2QCfcWKfSOUk5MsMJLnQbqvVoV2B MxQAn1BG9dOh3wSuK189vdsGiPPrubgN =YGth -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 5:18:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6745237B71C; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 05:18:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2EBute06270; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:56:55 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:56:55 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: John Baldwin Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guide Message-ID: <20010314115654.B6138@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200103140100.f2E103n15486@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QKdGvSO+nmPlgiQ/" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200103140100.f2E103n15486@freefall.freebsd.org>; from jhb@freebsd.org on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 05:00:03PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --QKdGvSO+nmPlgiQ/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 05:00:03PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > Hmm, the only thing I see with this (the patch looks ok) is that the=20 > rules in the CG were actually a list of rules that were drafted by=20 > -core and voted on by the committers about a year or so ago. =20 My mail archives disagree. Drafted by jkh, with input and discussion on -committers. I can't find a record of a formal vote on these (I could be wrong, but I'm normally pretty good about keeping these records). > I'm not sure one can just add new rules out of the blue, but then again= =20 > there is no provision for what to do with proposed changes to the rules. = =20 > Nik? There isn't one. I'd start with a straw poll on committers. > FWIW, the point you raise is important, and I would hope that it wouldn't= even > need to be explicit. Then again, the same is true of respecting other > committers. Ditto. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --QKdGvSO+nmPlgiQ/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqvXIYACgkQk6gHZCw343X6LgCcDg+nY6IH02dhS1Q1dBfGsm6J vdEAnR6q1EGo8IqHSoOe9Jp9PnLjEqtQ =9t6y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --QKdGvSO+nmPlgiQ/-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 5:19:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E88037B71B for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 05:19:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2EDCXG06863; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:12:33 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:12:33 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010314131233.C6138@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com> <20010312003518.A77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312093709.B3114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010312212209.G77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312214725.B74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313002953.I77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010313124524.B2130@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313231654.G83336@nathan.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IpbVkmxF4tDyP/Kb" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010313231654.G83336@nathan.ruhr.de>; from ue@nathan.ruhr.de on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 11:16:54PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --IpbVkmxF4tDyP/Kb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 11:16:54PM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 12:45:24PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > > [commit bit for Robert, Dirk and me?] > > >=20 > > > I can't speak for Dirk and Robert. I don't care either way. > >=20 > > Would it make your life easier? >=20 > Right now, I translate the entries and tell Alex "venture forth, my brave > committer and inflict them on freefall". With the bit, I would just put > them there myself. On the other hand, Alex would probably be delighted to > tell me "Go and do it yourself". Well, it makes both your lives easier then. A bonus. > > I notice a couple of infrastructure-like PRs from you in the PR databas= e, > > which you could do. >=20 > Yes, I was idealistic (or, in hindsight, stupid) enough to spend lots of > time on "infrastructure-like" (nice phrase) and other work for the FDP. T= he > results of that work do not encourage me to do it again. Do the words > "excuse me for trying to help, I won't do it again" ring any bells? No. Certainly not based on the examination of the PR database I've just done. I see 23 PRs submitted by you, of which 22 have been closed, only one or two of which generated any discussion -- in all honesty, I should have spotted this sooner and asked you to become a committer. > > As far as I can tell, the only thing we've disagreed on is > > how to handle the bibliographic stuff. >=20 > I've spend too much time talking to a wall and working for the trash can. The sequence of events was: 1. You note in the FAQ, and ask what its for. The message ID was <20010106211512.L64806@nathan.ruhr.de> if anyone wants to dig this thread out of the archives. 2. I reply, explaining where it came from. 3. You reply, saying that you've fixed this in the book listing in the German version of the FAQ, and do I want an adaptation for the English version. 4. I replied that all but the first set can be removed, they serve no purpose. The first set, intended to format bilbiographic information, are more tricky. I said I'd prefer the markup to be the same across all translations, and that if no one else did it, I'd fix the English docs to use DocBook bibliographic markup when I had time. =20 5. You reply, again offering the patches you developed for the German version. You point out what you think are DocBook errors when includi= ng bibliographic information 'inline' in the document. You asked if I thought the solution was unacceptable, and if so, why. =20 6. I reply, agreeing with your assessment about the difficulties of=20 including all the bibliographic information inline, and include a patch which moves the bulk of the bibliographic information to a bibliographic section, while still including a link to it within the main body of the document. I asked for comments as to its suitability, as it's, IMHO, more in keeping with the DocBook formatting ethos than using tables to format non-tabular data. 7. You send me a 2 line e-mail saying "your answer (or lack thereof) has been understood. Please excuse me for having an independent idea." 8. I reply saying "Huh? I don't follow." There is no reply. I'm still waiting for you to tell me why the quick fix of using a table for non-tabular data is better than trying to use the markup facilities that are provided by DocBook to markup bibliographic data. I'm sorry if you see this as "talking to a wall" but after the effort we went through to convert to DocBook, I'm not overly enthusiastic for using markup just because it gives formatted output that 'looks right'. I'd rather use the correct markup, and fix the stylesheets as necessary. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --IpbVkmxF4tDyP/Kb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqvbkAACgkQk6gHZCw343XQLQCdF0aCC2hGI3AjNBn7RYrRgmJw eaMAnRIQ5Te9iuEmtcd0zoFaz6h6Fjk9 =gCAq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IpbVkmxF4tDyP/Kb-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 6:22:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from moe.intelos.net (moe.intelos.net [216.12.23.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6367C37B71B for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 06:22:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ashbyg@ntelos.net) Received: (qmail 210 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2001 09:22:37 -0500 Received: from ghost.ntelos.net (HELO ntelos.net) (ashby@216.12.89.205) by moe.intelos.net with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 09:22:37 -0500 Message-ID: <3AAF7D06.C352DADF@ntelos.net> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:15:34 -0500 From: Ashby Gochenour X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: startup service doc? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey Guys, Great job with the doc project. I've read many helpful docs on install so far! I have one question. Is there any documentation on the default startup services? I picked 'moderate' security level and had things such as 'sunrpc' that starts and I am having trouble finding where in the system it starts (can't find in /etc/defaults or /etc/rc*). Any doc on startup services would be helpful! Thanks, Ashby Gochenour Unix Administration NTELOS NOC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 8:11: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow028o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A840937B71B for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:10:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adnw32200@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from john ([213.48.244.207]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:12:40 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c0aca1$6c137320$cff430d5@john> Reply-To: "John Dyer" From: "John Dyer" To: Subject: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:11:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0ACA1.6B5AD180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0ACA1.6B5AD180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My name is John Dyer. For the last 13 years I have been researching the = alleged illegal disposal/dumping of a nuclear reactor/testing cell by Shell, at its Thornton research Centre, = in 1968. Briefly my research is that: 1. In 1968, Shell, hired known criminals (with a history of illegally = disposing of nuclear 'waste'), to decommission its (secret) nuclear rector/testing cell. 2. That Shell paid the said 'criminals' a six-figure CASH sun (at = today's prices). 3. That Shell's reactor/testing cell decommissioning did not go to plan. 4. That huge amounts of nuclear materials/waste (thousands of tons) = was./were illegally dumped (onto an urban population), as part, consequence. In 1993, following five years of research, my findings resulted in the = commissioning of a TV programme for Carlton Television (UK national broadcaster)-. A matter of days before the programmes proposed = transmission Shell produced a 2900 word Narrative*, to explain away my allegations/research. The said Narrative resulted in the = TV programme being abandoned- Shell claimed that 'I had got it wrong, for it was not a nuclear reactor/testing cell that had = been decommissioned, rather, Shell claimed, it was a cobalt-60 labyrinth- i.e., 'harmless' nuclear facility/waste'- this = (Shell's Narrative) was/is an absolute/deliberate known lie. *See http://www.nuclearcrimes.com/narrative.htm However, I have (now) established that the Shell's Native was a (known) = tissue of lies from start to finish. Such is my evidence that Shell's legal head (Richard Max Wiseman), was wheeled forward to = concede that Shell's said Narrative was a 'mistake'. As I state, - see www.nuclearcrimes.com Shell's Narrative/defence was no = 'mistake' rather, it was a deliberate known, fraudulent sham Narrative to cover up Shell's wholesale nuclear dumping crimes. = Shell-following two years of correspondence with senior Shell directors- its Chairman and Legal Head- threatened/'would not = hesitate' to sue me. Despite Shell's specific prior threats to sue, it has refused to issue, or embark on any legal process.Shell, = aware of the truth* will not risk court action, hence no writs' despite its issued threats. *See http://www.nuclearcrimes.com/new_page_23.htm In response to my WEB site, Shell has now called in its scientific = staff, and others, at Thornton Research Centre, Cheshire.Refusing to refute the allegations, the Group repeats the line = (lie) that I have refused to call in the 'Health & Safety'. Shell have used its muscle once to get my site shut down-see = http://www.nuclearcrimes.com/ site-now after threatening, my new' ethical web host, and failing to get 'him' to close down my site, = Shell is presently endeavouring to get the entire domain closed. Shell's lawyers latest- www.nuclearcrimes.com/shell_'challenge'.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0ACA1.6B5AD180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    My name is John Dyer. For the last 13 = years I have=20 been researching the alleged illegal disposal/dumping of a
    nuclear=20 reactor/testing cell by Shell, at its Thornton research Centre, in 1968. = Briefly=20 my research is that:

    1. In 1968, Shell, hired known criminals = (with a=20 history of illegally disposing of nuclear 'waste'), to decommission its=20 (secret)
    nuclear rector/testing cell.

    2. That Shell paid the = said=20 'criminals' a six-figure CASH sun (at today's prices).

    3. That = Shell's=20 reactor/testing cell decommissioning did not go to plan.

    4. That = huge=20 amounts of nuclear materials/waste (thousands of tons) was./were = illegally=20 dumped (onto an urban population), as
    part, consequence.

    In = 1993,=20 following five years of research, my findings resulted in the = commissioning of a=20 TV programme for Carlton Television (UK
    national broadcaster)-. A = matter of=20 days before the programmes proposed transmission Shell produced a 2900 = word=20 Narrative*, to
    explain away my allegations/research. The said = Narrative=20 resulted in the TV programme being abandoned- Shell claimed that 'I = had
    got=20 it wrong, for it was not a nuclear reactor/testing cell that had been=20 decommissioned, rather, Shell claimed, it was a
    cobalt-60 labyrinth- = i.e.,=20 'harmless' nuclear facility/waste'- this (Shell's Narrative) was/is an=20 absolute/deliberate known lie.
    *See http://www.nuclearcri= mes.com/narrative.htm

    However,=20 I have (now) established that the Shell's Native was a (known) tissue of = lies=20 from start to finish. Such is my evidence
    that Shell's legal head = (Richard=20 Max Wiseman), was wheeled forward to concede that Shell's said Narrative = was a=20 'mistake'.

    As I state, - see www.nuclearcrimes.com Shell's=20 Narrative/defence was no 'mistake' rather, it was a deliberate known,=20 fraudulent
    sham Narrative to cover up Shell's wholesale nuclear = dumping=20 crimes.  Shell-following two years of correspondence with = senior
    Shell=20 directors- its Chairman and Legal Head- threatened/'would not hesitate' = to sue=20 me. Despite Shell's specific prior threats to
    sue, it has refused to = issue,=20 or embark on any legal process.Shell, aware of the truth* will not risk = court=20 action, hence no
    writs' despite its issued threats.
    *See http://www.nuclearc= rimes.com/new_page_23.htm

    In=20 response to my WEB site, Shell has now called in its scientific staff, = and=20 others, at Thornton Research Centre,
    Cheshire.Refusing to refute the=20 allegations, the Group repeats the line (lie) that I have refused to = call in the=20 'Health &
    Safety'. Shell have used its muscle once to get my site = shut=20 down-see http://www.nuclearcrimes.com/ = site-now=20 after threatening, my
    new' ethical web host, and failing to get 'him' = to=20 close down my site, Shell is presently endeavouring to get the entire=20 domain
    closed.

    Shell's lawyers latest- www.nuclearcr= imes.com/shell_'challenge'.htm

    ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0ACA1.6B5AD180-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 9:59: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from portal.east.saic.com (portal.east.saic.com [198.151.13.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A617237B718 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 09:58:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from BRETT.D.GARGANO@saic.com) Received: from mclmx.saic.com by portal.east.saic.com via smtpd (for hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) with SMTP; 14 Mar 2001 17:58:56 UT Received: from mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com by mclmx.mail.saic.com; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:58:46 -0500 Received: from mcl-its-exbh01.mail.saic.com ([149.8.64.11]) by mcl-its-ieg01.mail.saic.com (NAVIEG 2.1 bld 63) with SMTP id M2001031412541802978 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:54:18 -0500 Received: by mcl-its-exbh01.saic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:58:47 -0500 Message-Id: <39C5845092F9D1119AA90008C724FC7C02E1508D@prowler.ideas.com> From: "Gargano, Brett D." To: "'freebsd-doc@freebsd.org'" Subject: ISP questions (sonnet, russia) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:58:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. My name is Brett Gargano, and I'm performing research on ISP's in Russia. Does your ISP have routers? If so, how many do you have? And what series of router is it? Also your address of your ISP in Russia? Greatly appreciated Thank you Please keep in touch Brett D. Gargano Sr. Research Analyst Science Applications International Corporation 7120 Columbia Gateway Dr. Columbia, MD 21046 (410) 312-2045 brett.d.gargano@saic.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 11: 9:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5400137B725 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:09:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2ELKZV45263 for doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:20:35 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:20:35 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: http://www.freebsd.org/docs/, /FAQ/, /handbook/, and others Message-ID: <20010314212034.A45244@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+pHx0qQiF2pBVqBT" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --+pHx0qQiF2pBVqBT Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6" Content-Disposition: inline --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In re the discussion that sprang up pro and con the docs/ directory in the website, and the complaint that we then had multiple copies of documentation in the installed web tree, and the use of symlinks to directories, symlinks to files, and redirects in the web server configuration. . . =2E . . the attached patch shows how the existing top level FAQ/ and handbook/ directories in the web site can be resolved. The tutorials/ directory is a little more work but follows the same pattern. With this we can: 1. Have a single rooted point for the documentation in the web tree, consistent with the doc/ hierarchy. As things currently stand that root point is http://www.freebsd.org/docs/ -- that may or may not be the best place for it. 2. Retain the legacy handbook/ and FAQ/ URLs, without needing to=20 install multiple copies of the documentation in the web tree, and without needing to resort to Alias or Redirect entries in the=20 webserver config file which (a) require you to run a webserver to properly test the site, and (b) are typically not maintained by the website mirrors. The patch uses symlinks, but since these are links to files (note: *not* directories, which drew the most ire a few weeks ago) these could easily be made hardlinks instead. Comments? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=diff Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Index: Makefile =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/www/en/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.61 diff -u -r1.61 Makefile --- Makefile 2001/02/25 12:00:49 1.61 +++ Makefile 2001/03/14 21:08:13 @@ -32,6 +32,7 @@ SUBDIR=3D security SUBDIR+=3D commercial SUBDIR+=3D docproj +SUBDIR+=3D docs SUBDIR+=3D news SUBDIR+=3D alpha SUBDIR+=3D internal @@ -48,6 +49,12 @@ SUBDIR+=3D ports .endif =20 +# These *must* be listed after the "docs" subdir, as they create symlinks +# in to it. +SUBDIR+=3D FAQ=20 +SUBDIR+=3D handbook +SUBDIR+=3D tutorials + # Non-SGML SUBDIR+=3D gifs SUBDIR+=3D cgi @@ -58,16 +65,10 @@ =20 .if !defined(ENGLISH_ONLY) || empty(ENGLISH_ONLY) .for DIR in ${WEB_LANG} -SUBDIR+=3D ../${DIR} +#SUBDIR+=3D ../${DIR} .endfor .endif =20 -.if !defined(WEB_ONLY) || empty(WEB_ONLY) -# Extern -SUBDIR+=3D tutorials - -DOCSUBDIR=3D FAQ handbook -.endif SGMLOPTS+=3D -links -hdr ${.CURDIR}/doc.hdr -ftr ${.CURDIR}/doc.ftr =20 WEBDIR=3D data Index: FAQ/Makefile =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/www/en/FAQ/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 Makefile --- FAQ/Makefile 1999/09/15 20:37:03 1.4 +++ FAQ/Makefile 2001/03/14 21:04:22 @@ -4,8 +4,23 @@ # Build the FreeBSD FAQ *outside* of the www tree, and install it # in to the right place as necessary. =20 -all install clean: - (cd ../../../doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq && ${MAKE} 'FORMATS=3Dhtml-sp= lit html' DESTDIR=3D${DESTDIR}/data/FAQ ${.TARGET}) -.if make(install) - (cd ${DESTDIR}/data/FAQ; ln -sf index.html FAQ.html) +.if exists(../Makefile.conf) +.include "../Makefile.conf" .endif +.if exists(../Makefile.inc) +.include "../Makefile.inc" +.endif + +# At build time, we have to link to the doc/ directory at the same level +# as the www/ tree. +all: + ln -fs ${.CURDIR}/../../../doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/*.html . + +# At install time the www/en/docs/ directory has been populated, so we can +# link in to there instead. +install: + [ -d ${DOCINSTALLDIR} ] || mkdir ${DOCINSTALLDIR} + (cd ${DOCINSTALLDIR} && ln -fs ../docs/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/*.html = ${DOCINSTALLDIR}) + +.include "${WEB_PREFIX}/share/mk/web.site.mk" + Index: docs/Makefile =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/www/en/docs/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 Makefile --- docs/Makefile 2001/02/24 18:04:10 1.3 +++ docs/Makefile 2001/03/14 20:47:05 @@ -10,4 +10,4 @@ # =20 all install clean: - (cd ../../../doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1 && unset DESTDIR || ${MAKE} FORMATS=3Dh= tml-split DOCDIR=3D${DESTDIR}/data/docs ${.TARGET}) + (unset DESTDIR || true; cd ${.CURDIR}/../../../doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1 && ${= MAKE} FORMATS=3Dhtml-split DOCDIR=3D${DESTDIR}/data/docs ${.TARGET}) Index: handbook/Makefile =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/www/en/handbook/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 Makefile --- handbook/Makefile 1999/09/15 20:37:10 1.5 +++ handbook/Makefile 2001/03/14 21:04:39 @@ -1,18 +1,24 @@ # -# $FreeBSD: www/en/handbook/Makefile,v 1.5 1999/09/15 20:37:10 wosch Exp $ +# $FreeBSD: www/en/FAQ/Makefile,v 1.4 1999/09/15 20:37:03 wosch Exp $ # -# Build the FreeBSD Handbook *outside* of the www tree, and install it -# in to the right place as necessary. -# -# The Handbook is no longer completely self contained in=20 -# doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook, (it requires support files outside = of=20 -# this directory) and it is much simpler to build it outside the web tree= =20 -# than it is to make a nest of symlinks to try and build it inside the tre= e. -# -# This assumes that you have the www/ and doc/ trees checked out beside -# one another -- this was always the case anyway, so there are no extra -# requirements here. -# + +.if exists(../Makefile.conf) +.include "../Makefile.conf" +.endif +.if exists(../Makefile.inc) +.include "../Makefile.inc" +.endif + +# At build time, we have to link to the doc/ directory at the same level +# as the www/ tree. +all: + ln -fs ${.CURDIR}/../../../doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/*.html . + +# At install time the ../docs/ directory has been populated, so we can +# link in to there instead. +install: + [ -d ${DOCINSTALLDIR} ] || mkdir ${DOCINSTALLDIR} + (cd ${DOCINSTALLDIR} && ln -fs ../docs/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/*.= html ${DOCINSTALLDIR}) + +.include "${WEB_PREFIX}/share/mk/web.site.mk" =20 -all install clean: - (cd ../../../doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook && ${MAKE} FORMATS=3Dhtm= l-split DESTDIR=3D${DESTDIR}/data/handbook ${.TARGET}) --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6-- --+pHx0qQiF2pBVqBT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqv4KEACgkQk6gHZCw343XiqwCaApRyndPHHPd/Z8t7JF7AvVQ3 +yMAnRtAcqdCgYf+oWjInwXyl1HwMWqF =OCW1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+pHx0qQiF2pBVqBT-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 12: 9:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr4.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 40C8437B718 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:09:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 875 invoked by uid 10); 14 Mar 2001 20:09:01 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2EK7Uf94238 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:07:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ue) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 21:07:30 +0100 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010314210730.J83336@nathan.ruhr.de> Mail-Followup-To: doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com> <20010312003518.A77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312093709.B3114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010312212209.G77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312214725.B74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313002953.I77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010313124524.B2130@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313231654.G83336@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010314131233.C6138@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010314131233.C6138@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 01:12:33PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 01:12:33PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 11:16:54PM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > > Right now, I translate the entries and tell Alex "venture forth, my brave > > committer and inflict them on freefall". With the bit, I would just put > > them there myself. On the other hand, Alex would probably be delighted to > > tell me "Go and do it yourself". > > Well, it makes both your lives easier then. A bonus. Huh? Last time I checked, doing a commit is more work than typing "Doegi, faß" in IRC (#freebsd.de) > > Yes, I was idealistic (or, in hindsight, stupid) enough to spend lots of > > time on "infrastructure-like" (nice phrase) and other work for the FDP. The > > results of that work do not encourage me to do it again. Do the words > > "excuse me for trying to help, I won't do it again" ring any bells? > > No. Check the list archives. And no, I'm not talking about the bibliography thing nor about you. The proposed addition to the committers handbook hits the nail right on its head. > Certainly not based on the examination of the PR database I've just > done. I see 23 PRs submitted by you, of which 22 have been closed, only > one or two of which generated any discussion -- in all honesty, I should > have spotted this sooner and asked you to become a committer. 28 and 24, actually. And if you had asked me 8 or 9 months ago, my response would have been an enthusiastic "YES!". > The sequence of events was: [long list snipped] Hmm, seems you still don't get it. If somebody has an idea, you either tell him "That idea is good because ..." or you tell him "That idea is trash because ...". Just pouring out your own ideas without even acknowledging other people's ideas is rude. Ignoring point blank questions asking for feedback is a sure sign that you are not interested in other opinions. And like I said at the time, I took the hint. And ever since this not-discussion, I just don't care about differences in the markup. If I think that it is broken in the international version, I'll fix it during the translation. If somebody extracts the change from our repository and integrates it into the international version, fine. > I'm still waiting for you to tell me why the quick fix of using a table > for non-tabular data is better than trying to use the markup facilities > that are provided by DocBook to markup bibliographic data. Take a look at my old mails where I addressed this point. Short version: The bibliography is a seperate chapter and users will be forced to jump around to get the information. Additionally, the reference in the main text is just $cryptic-mnemonic. That's fine for a scientific publication but sucks for the FAQ, especially the static version (txt, pdf, ps, ...): "Good books are Nem00, Kus90, Foo01, Bar02". /s/Udo -- Getting a SCSI chain working is perfectly simple if you remember that there must be exactly three terminations: one on one end of the cable, one on the far end, and the goat, terminated over the SCSI chain with a silver-handled knife whilst burning *black* candles. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 14: 0:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9180E37B71A; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:00:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2EM0DG82011; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:00:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010314115654.B6138@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:59:52 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guide Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 14-Mar-01 Nik Clayton wrote: > On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 05:00:03PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: >> Hmm, the only thing I see with this (the patch looks ok) is that the >> rules in the CG were actually a list of rules that were drafted by >> -core and voted on by the committers about a year or so ago. > > My mail archives disagree. Drafted by jkh, with input and discussion on > -committers. I can't find a record of a formal vote on these (I could > be wrong, but I'm normally pretty good about keeping these records). Hmm, I could be wrong then. There was at least a consensus on -committers that these were the acceptable rules. >> I'm not sure one can just add new rules out of the blue, but then again >> there is no provision for what to do with proposed changes to the rules. >> Nik? > > There isn't one. I'd start with a straw poll on committers. Sounds good to me. I can do it unless you would rather do so. :) -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 15:27:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2484B37B718 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:26:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2F2c7Y47103; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 02:38:07 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 02:38:06 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010315023806.B46684@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com> <20010312003518.A77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312093709.B3114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010312212209.G77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312214725.B74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313002953.I77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010313124524.B2130@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313231654.G83336@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010314131233.C6138@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010314210730.J83336@nathan.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010314210730.J83336@nathan.ruhr.de>; from ue@nathan.ruhr.de on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 09:07:30PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 09:07:30PM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > > The sequence of events was: >=20 > [long list snipped] >=20 > Hmm, seems you still don't get it. If somebody has an idea, you either te= ll > him "That idea is good because ..." or you tell him "That idea is trash > because ...". Just pouring out your own ideas without even acknowledging > other people's ideas is rude. Ignoring point blank questions asking for > feedback is a sure sign that you are not interested in other opinions. I still can't see anything in my archives, other than the biblio stuff, that comes close to this. If you've submitted stuff to the -doc list before and not had any feedback then I'm sorry, but sometimes that's how things work. We all have lives outside FreeBSD, and, ironically, it's the well crafted submissions that generate the most work for the committers,=20 because they require the most thought in crafting a response. I've got a bunch of e-mails pending in my -doc spool that I haven't replied to yet, simply because I don't have the cycles to do them the justice they deserve. Please note that this in no way is an impediment to *anyone* else on the -doc list taking an idea and running with it. If I feel strongly that a discussion is missing a point I'll do my damndest to make the time to contribute to the discussion, but otherwise, it takes its course. I don't think the -doc project has sufficient 'full time' committers yet that everything that comes in on the mailing list is handled as promptly as it should be. That's a shame, but it's getting slowly fixed as more committers come on board. Eventually we'll reach the necessary critical mass, and things will be much easier. If you want to help accelerate the process then the door is open. > And like I said at the time, I took the hint. And ever since this > not-discussion, I just don't care about differences in the markup. If I > think that it is broken in the international version, I'll fix it during > the translation. If somebody extracts the change from our repository and > integrates it into the international version, fine. That's a separate discussion, and one I'll follow up on with Alex. I think it's a very bad idea to have translations with different content in them. This isn't a "My documentation is better than yours" contest. =20 > > I'm still waiting for you to tell me why the quick fix of using a table > > for non-tabular data is better than trying to use the markup facilities > > that are provided by DocBook to markup bibliographic data. >=20 > Take a look at my old mails where I addressed this point. Short version: > The bibliography is a seperate chapter and users will be forced to jump > around to get the information. Additionally, the reference in the main > text is just $cryptic-mnemonic. That's fine for a scientific publication > but sucks for the FAQ, especially the static version (txt, pdf, ps, ...): >=20 > "Good books are Nem00, Kus90, Foo01, Bar02". Which is odd, because I've got stylesheet stuff here that gives you much more control over which information from the bibliographic data is included in the main body text -- full title, URL, ISBN, authors, and so on (basically, what you're asking for). Just because the stylesheet=20 *default* is to use the mnemonics doesn't mean that we have to go with the= =20 default. I appreciate your concerns, but I think we can solve them using the existing tools without needing to break with the philosophy behind the markup. But so far I've had no comments on the patches I've sent to the mailing list. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqwKw0ACgkQk6gHZCw343VMzgCfbAHEw6MhEltwrK235XKa3MSc V0AAn0WyjhDCa5RMdbXt1aQPyhoEYD/E =arws -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 15:27:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBB937B718; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:27:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2F2Kr747005; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 02:20:53 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 02:20:51 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: John Baldwin Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guide Message-ID: <20010315022049.A46684@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010314115654.B6138@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 01:59:52PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 01:59:52PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: >=20 > On 14-Mar-01 Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 05:00:03PM -0800, John Baldwin wrote: > >> Hmm, the only thing I see with this (the patch looks ok) is that the= =20 > >> rules in the CG were actually a list of rules that were drafted by=20 > >> -core and voted on by the committers about a year or so ago. =20 > >=20 > > My mail archives disagree. Drafted by jkh, with input and discussion on > > -committers. I can't find a record of a formal vote on these (I could > > be wrong, but I'm normally pretty good about keeping these records). >=20 > Hmm, I could be wrong then. There was at least a consensus on=20 > -committers that these were the acceptable rules. Oh yeah. But consensus !=3D vote. If there had been a vote I think it would be much harder to put changes in. But the process wasn't that formal, so I think aiming for a consensus on committers should be easier. > >> I'm not sure one can just add new rules out of the blue, but then agai= n=20 > >> there is no provision for what to do with proposed changes to the rule= s. =20 > >> Nik? > >=20 > > There isn't one. I'd start with a straw poll on committers. >=20 > Sounds good to me. I can do it unless you would rather do so. :) Go for it. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqwJwAACgkQk6gHZCw343XU3gCeMH/tixB4QqIwlPwRgRxB+aqS j5cAn37Td8qvyfhiQRSZJjqT1kZw//Cb =WMd6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 17:45:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717A437B71C; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:45:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2F1jq707806; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:45:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:45:52 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103150145.f2F1jq707806@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dd@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/25796: ipfw(8) manpage has no info on "Rule -1" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: ipfw(8) manpage has no info on "Rule -1" Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Mar 14 17:45:34 PST 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll do this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25796 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 17:46:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD03237B71A; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:46:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2F1k7R07928; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:46:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:46:07 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103150146.f2F1k7R07928@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dd@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/25797: socket.2 man file is strange, with a draft amendment. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: socket.2 man file is strange, with a draft amendment. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Mar 14 17:45:59 PST 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll do this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25797 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 18: 3:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887A837B718; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:03:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2F23X809620; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:03:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:03:33 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103150203.f2F23X809620@freefall.freebsd.org> To: howardjp@well.com, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25390: [PATCH] FAQ Entry for Shell Accounts Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] FAQ Entry for Shell Accounts State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Wed Mar 14 18:03:13 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25390 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 18: 7: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB37237B718; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:07:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2F272S12435; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:07:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:07:02 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103150207.f2F272S12435@freefall.freebsd.org> To: naddy@mips.inka.de, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25252: devfs.5: /devs -> /dev Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: devfs.5: /devs -> /dev State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Wed Mar 14 18:06:52 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25252 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 18: 9: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBE737B718; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:09:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2F297l12710; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:09:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:09:07 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103150209.f2F297l12710@freefall.freebsd.org> To: alex@kapran.bitmcnit.bryansk.su, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25184: Clean last tracks of CIRCLEQ from queue.3 manpage Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Clean last tracks of CIRCLEQ from queue.3 manpage State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Wed Mar 14 18:08:57 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25184 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 18:16:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A2D37B718 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 18:16:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp (kuriyama@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.160]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2F2GNT72940 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:16:23 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:16:20 +0900 Message-ID: <7mk85rvksr.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/docs/, /FAQ/, /handbook/, and others In-Reply-To: <20010314212034.A45244@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010314212034.A45244@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.4.1 (Stand By Me) SEMI/1.13.7 (Awazu) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) MULE XEmacs/21.1 (patch 14) (Cuyahoga Valley) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.7 - "Awazu") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 14 Mar 2001 19:09:50 GMT, nik wrote: > The patch uses symlinks, but since these are links to files (note: *not* > directories, which drew the most ire a few weeks ago) these could easily > be made hardlinks instead. To reduce multiple results from search engine, this approach is same as previsou one (directory symlink). I think what Wosch want to say is symlinking file is *less* evil than symlinking directory because it affects only few URLs. If you symlinking every file in directory, it may be same result as directory symlink. I want to understand your plan of directory hierachy on web. Current structure is: / English top /handbook/ English Handbook /docs/en/books/handbook/ English Handbook /docs/en/articles/committers-guide/ English Committer's Guide /ja/ Japanese top /ja/handbook/ Japanese Handbook So, if we can forget old URL and redirects (of cource it's assumption :-), what structure you want to use? We should consider how to use language identifier in URL. -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 19:25:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from brasilmail.com.br (milan.e-net.com.br [200.194.249.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E58A37B719 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:25:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lucianaribeiro@brasilmail.com.br) X-WM-Posted-At: brasilmail.com.br; Thu, 15 Mar 01 00:21:47 -0300 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:21:47 -0300 From: Luciana Ribeiro Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Help me!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-WebMail-Urgent: Y X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.51 Message-Id: <20010315032511.9E58A37B719@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My name is Luciana and I thought so good this page and I need to do a work and it's necessary to know who made this page where and when. Please help me urgent. Luciana ----------------------------------------------------------- BrasilMail!, seu e-mail gratuito, mais perto e mais r=E1pido. Cadastre tamb=E9m o seu: www.brasilmail.com.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 22:40: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23FE37B719 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2F6e1Y52772; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3B537B718 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:39:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@idiom.com) Received: (from rdm@localhost) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27442 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:39:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103150639.WAA27442@idiom.com> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 22:39:29 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Morin To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: docs/25819: no netid(5) man page Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25819 >Category: docs >Synopsis: no netid(5) man page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Mar 14 22:40:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Rich Morin >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Canta Forda Computer Laboratory >Environment: FreeBSD fb42.cfcl.com 4.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #0: Mon Nov 20 13:02:55 GMT 2000 jkh@bento.FreeBSD.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 >Description: The mknetid(8) man page says: "Mknetid processes the contents of the group(5), passwd(5), hosts(5) and netid(5) files ..." yet there is no netid(5) man page. >How-To-Repeat: man 5 netid >Fix: Write a man page for netid? >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 14 23: 3:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6BA37B721 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:03:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@idiom.com) Received: (from rdm@localhost) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA43412 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:03:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 23:03:26 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Morin Message-Id: <200103150703.XAA43412@idiom.com> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Sorry for the duplicate PR Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The folks who manage the mailing list site for the FreeBSD lists have decided to reject mail from machines whose hostnames cannot be found via reverse DNS. At the same time, my ISP (Sprint Broadband Direct) refuses to supply reverse DNS for its clients. Consequently, I have been required to post my PRs from an account I have on another machine. In this instance, I saw a message rejection that I had already handled and thought it still needed resending... -r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 15 0:28:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B393037B719; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:28:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2F8SKD69017; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:28:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:28:20 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103150828.f2F8SKD69017@freefall.freebsd.org> To: rdm@idiom.com, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25819: no netid(5) man page Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: no netid(5) man page State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Thu Mar 15 00:27:21 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Duplicate of PR 25657. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25819 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 15 0:50:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from katchoo.se.room33.com (fw.hq.room33.com [212.209.113.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD2BE37B719 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 00:50:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaj@hq.room33.com) Received: (qmail 20815 invoked by uid 913); 15 Mar 2001 08:24:51 -0000 To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/docs/, /FAQ/, /handbook/, and others References: <20010314212034.A45244@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> From: Rasmus Kaj Cc: Rasmus Kaj Organization: http://room33.com/ - Your mobile home on the net X-Face: M9cR~WYav<"fu%MaslX0`43PAYY?uIsM8[#E(0\Xuy9rj>4gE\h3jm.7DD?]R8*^7T\o&vT U@[53Dwkuup4[0@gw#~kyu>`unH?kVj9CJa02(h>Ki\+i=%rn%sDf^KC.!?IHkKjMAbkd\jgmphp^' d|Q;OeXEAhq?ybGqOs1CHb6TJT42'C`Krnk61//AOfXtNjj/t'`5>Vw0QX!dKfOL$.f+S"LIuwR<;I Z0Qnnx(F^F]o@*V%TUtEV'1Z[TkOl^FFV9Z~A[b19%}uP*,huCU Date: 15 Mar 2001 09:24:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20010314212034.A45244@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: Lines: 41 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>> "NC" == Nik Clayton writes: NC> In re the discussion that sprang up pro and con the docs/ directory in NC> the website, and the complaint that we then had multiple copies of NC> documentation in the installed web tree, and the use of symlinks to NC> directories, symlinks to files, and redirects in the web server NC> configuration. . . [ -- some text snipped to keep this short -- ] NC> 2. Retain the legacy handbook/ and FAQ/ URLs, without needing to NC> install multiple copies of the documentation in the web tree, and NC> without needing to resort to Alias or Redirect entries in the NC> webserver config file which (a) require you to run a webserver to NC> properly test the site, and (b) are typically not maintained by NC> the website mirrors. NC> The patch uses symlinks, but since these are links to files (note: *not* NC> directories, which drew the most ire a few weeks ago) these could easily NC> be made hardlinks instead. As Jun Kuriyama said in another comment to this, the problem with symlinks is that it creates duplicate info in search engines etc, and the problems with symlinks to directories is that they creates *lots* of such duplicate info. Of coures *lots* of symlinks to file is as bad. I still think redirects is the only good way to go, so here's my response to your points about that: a) I really don't see this as a problem. Setting up a web server on a workstation to do some testing is quite simple enough. b) This shouldn't be a problem eihter. I propose a text file in the repository containg the redirects in server-independet format, and some simple scripts to turn it into config for any web server. -- Rasmus Kaj ------------------------ rasmus@kaj.se - http://Raditex.se/~kaj/ \ Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math \----------------------------------------------------- http://room33.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 15 1:27:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC47C37B71C; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:27:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2F9RkL77951; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:27:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:27:46 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103150927.f2F9RkL77951@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dhw@whistle.com, asmodai@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25743: Trivial typographic error in ssh.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Trivial typographic error in ssh.1 State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: asmodai State-Changed-When: Thu Mar 15 01:27:24 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fix applied. Thanks! Note: Needs to be submitted back to OpenSSH. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25743 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 15 1:31:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from garm.bart.nl (garm.bart.nl [194.158.170.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF00937B719 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:31:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (root@cable.ninth-circle.org [195.38.232.6]) by garm.bart.nl (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2F9VBo92714; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:31:11 +0100 (CET) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f2F9Eqt02728; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:14:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:14:52 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Ashby Gochenour Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: startup service doc? Message-ID: <20010315101452.C2232@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <3AAF7D06.C352DADF@ntelos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3AAF7D06.C352DADF@ntelos.net>; from ashbyg@ntelos.net on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 09:15:34AM -0500 Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010314 15:30], Ashby Gochenour (ashbyg@ntelos.net) wrote: >Great job with the doc project. I've read many helpful docs on install >so far! I have one question. Is there any documentation on the default >startup services? I picked 'moderate' security level and had things such >as 'sunrpc' that starts and I am having trouble finding where in the >system it starts (can't find in /etc/defaults or /etc/rc*). sunrpc is most commonly the result of portmap(per), rpc.statd and/or nfs services. Try using sockstat to see which port is open and what is reponsible. >Any doc on startup services would be helpful! What would you like to see in it? -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai .oUo. asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best D78D D0AD 244D 1D12 C9CA 7152 035C 1138 546A B867 I may know many things, I may be ignorant... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 15 1:31:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from garm.bart.nl (garm.bart.nl [194.158.170.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAC037B71A for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:31:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (root@cable.ninth-circle.org [195.38.232.6]) by garm.bart.nl (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2F9VBo92717; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:31:12 +0100 (CET) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f2F9Gkm02737; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:16:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:16:46 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: "Gargano, Brett D." Cc: "'freebsd-doc@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: ISP questions (sonnet, russia) Message-ID: <20010315101646.D2232@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <39C5845092F9D1119AA90008C724FC7C02E1508D@prowler.ideas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39C5845092F9D1119AA90008C724FC7C02E1508D@prowler.ideas.com>; from BRETT.D.GARGANO@saic.com on Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 12:58:31PM -0500 Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010314 19:00], Gargano, Brett D. (BRETT.D.GARGANO@saic.com) wrote: >My name is Brett Gargano, and I'm performing research on ISP's in Russia. >Does your ISP have routers? If so, how many do you have? And what series >of router is it? freebsd-doc@freebsd.org is not a Russian ISP. We are the documentation team/project for the FreeBSD Project. I would be grateful if you would remove any hints/traces or other mentions of us in association with Russian ISPs you might have. Thanks, -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai .oUo. asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best D78D D0AD 244D 1D12 C9CA 7152 035C 1138 546A B867 There's pathetic opposition, they're the cause of my condition, I'll be coming back... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 15 1:31:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from garm.bart.nl (garm.bart.nl [194.158.170.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91EC37B718; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 01:31:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (root@cable.ninth-circle.org [195.38.232.6]) by garm.bart.nl (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f2F9VGo92722; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:31:16 +0100 (CET) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.2/8.11.0) id f2F9IHd02745; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:18:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:18:17 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: John Baldwin Cc: Jordan Hubbard , doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Docs still broken in -stable. :-( Message-ID: <20010315101817.E2232@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20010313152537Z.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:38:25PM -0800 Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010314 02:00], John Baldwin (jhb@FreeBSD.org) wrote: >I can't get the html port to even fetch here at work. Looks like I need to sit >down and manually refetch all the distfiles again. *sigh* FWIW, this >particular problem was fixed today. FWIW I installed a total fresh docproj on my 4.3-BETA box here without problems. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai .oUo. asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder BSD: Technical excellence at its best D78D D0AD 244D 1D12 C9CA 7152 035C 1138 546A B867 Here's to your health. May you live long and prosper... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 15 2:34:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7EC37B71C for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 02:34:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2FAWnt50367; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:32:49 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:32:48 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Jun Kuriyama Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/docs/, /FAQ/, /handbook/, and others Message-ID: <20010315103248.A49019@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010314212034.A45244@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <7mk85rvksr.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <7mk85rvksr.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp>; from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp on Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 11:16:20AM +0900 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 11:16:20AM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > At 14 Mar 2001 19:09:50 GMT, > nik wrote: > > The patch uses symlinks, but since these are links to files (note: *not* > > directories, which drew the most ire a few weeks ago) these could easily > > be made hardlinks instead. >=20 > To reduce multiple results from search engine, this approach is same > as previsou one (directory symlink). I think what Wosch want to say > is symlinking file is *less* evil than symlinking directory because it > affects only few URLs. If you symlinking every file in directory, it > may be same result as directory symlink. I was confused about this too -- I can't see the difference, but people were saying that directory symlinks are bad, but file symlinks are not (or, at least, less bad). > I want to understand your plan of directory hierachy on web. Current > structure is: >=20 > / English top > /handbook/ English Handbook > /docs/en/books/handbook/ English Handbook > /docs/en/articles/committers-guide/ English Committer's Guide > /ja/ Japanese top > /ja/handbook/ Japanese Handbook >=20 > So, if we can forget old URL and redirects (of cource it's assumption > :-), what structure you want to use? Basically, I want the documentation to install in to a hierarchy similar, or identical to the one that's used in the doc/ repo. The existing FAQ/, handbook/, and tutorials/ directories were fine when we only had 2 'tier 1' documents, and a few small tutorials. Now we have a number of 'tier 1' documents (Porter's Handbook, FDP Primer, Developer's Handbook, and that list is increasing). We are getting more smaller documents, many of which are not tutorials -- the 'Explaining BSD' document I committed last night, for example, or the 'Getting results from freebsd-questions' document. I would like all the documentation to be easily accessible from docs/index.html (or doc/index.html, I'm easy on that point) on the web site. This page (and/or set of pages) would then contain links to the actual documentation, shielding the user from the length of the URLs. We have some existing, well known, URLs that don't fit in to this scheme. Specifically, FAQ/, handbook/, and tutorials/. I think we're all in agreement that these URLs need to work for the foreseeable future, and the question then is "How?". 1. Use redirects in the web server config file. 2. Symlink the FAQ/ directory to ../docs/en*/books/faq/ 3. Symlink the contents of ../docs/en*/books/faq/ in to FAQ 4. Duplicate the content by installing copies of the documentation=20 in to FAQ and Handbook. (repeat 2, 3, and 4 for handbook/ and tutorials/). I am emphatically opposed to doing (1). History shows that our mirrors *do not* reliably replicate our web server configuration, so if we rely on (1) we break the mirrors (also, it means that you need to run a webserver to fully test changes to the site locally, but that is very much a side issue). (2), (3), and (4) all avoid this problem. (4) pushes up the diskspace requirements slightly. The patch I just sent out implements (3), currently, the website implements (4). Note that whichever way we do this, we will end up with duplicated content appearing in search engines like Google. There's no way around that. I don't think it's going to cause the users any harm (after all, it's not going to make it any harder for them to find the documentation they are looking for). As long as we restrict this to just the existing FAQ, Handbook, and tutorials the load on the webserver due to spidering should also be negligable (and can be reducted, if not entirely eliminated, with robots.txt). > We should consider how to use language identifier in URL. Good question. Again, IMHO, I think that someone going to www.freebsd.org would expect to see the English home page, going to www.freebsd.org/handbook/ would expect to see the English Handbook, and so on. I'm not very comfortable with the current approach of putting the other languages in subdirectories, such as ja/, although I can see some merits to it. But as a user, I would expect to go www.ja.freebsd.org and see the Japanese page by default. I also like the work I've seen on other sites where most pages have a link at the bottom of them that says something like This page also available in: [English] [Japanese] [Spanish] [...] where the various language names take you to the translation of the same page. I have not yet given any thought to how we could easily achieve this, given that different translations have progressed differently in terms of the amount they have translated. [ Speaking of which, is your automated list of where the translations lag the English version still available? We should probably put a link to that somewhere prominent, and extend it for the other translations ] Perhaps we should be installing all the HTML files with an additional suffix depending on the language: index.html.en, index.html.ja, and so forth. A variable set during install time would then symlink these back to the regular filename. So if you do "make install" with WEB_LANG set to en_US.ISO_8859-1 then index.html is a link to index.html.en. If WEB_LANG is set to ja_JP.eucJP then index.html is a link to index.html.ja, and so forth. A proof of concept of this is probably only a couple of hours work, if someone wants to send a patch. I'm just kicking out ideas for discussion at the moment. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqwmk8ACgkQk6gHZCw343WP8ACgkTnUDO2+nCB6f7F5JKw3rKEZ hToAn1i5VRQE/M8jb9gWBI95JPadFWQF =4q7a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 15 11:20:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0468837B718 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2FJK1G59444; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from hand.dotat.at (sfo-gw.covalent.net [207.44.198.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5041E37B71A for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:10:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fanf@dotat.at) Received: from fanf by hand.dotat.at with local (Exim 3.20 #3) id 14dOhA-0000Kt-00 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 03:45:00 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 03:45:00 +0000 From: Tony Finch Reply-To: Tony Finch To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/25836: erroneous comment in statfs manual page Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25836 >Category: docs >Synopsis: erroneous comment in statfs manual page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Mar 15 11:20:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Tony Finch >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA i386 >Organization: Covalent Technologies, Inc. >Environment: System: FreeBSD hand.dotat.at 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #5: Thu Mar 15 02:42:59 GMT 2001 fanf@hand.dotat.at:/FreeBSD/releng4/sys/compile/DELL-Latitude-CSx i386 >Description: Numeric filesystem types aren't listed in statfs(2). This is related to rev 1.73 of mount.h >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: statfs.2 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/lib/libc/sys/statfs.2,v retrieving revision 1.9.2.4 diff -u -r1.9.2.4 statfs.2 --- statfs.2 2000/12/29 14:44:54 1.9.2.4 +++ statfs.2 2001/03/15 03:41:47 @@ -77,7 +77,7 @@ long f_ffree; /* free file nodes in fs */ fsid_t f_fsid; /* file system id */ uid_t f_owner; /* user that mounted the filesystem */ -int f_type; /* type of filesystem (see below) */ +int f_type; /* type of filesystem */ int f_flags; /* copy of mount flags */ long f_syncwrites; /* count of sync writes since mount */ long f_asyncwrites; /* count of async writes since mount */ >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 15 11:21:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr4.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD0C637B719 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:21:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 11993 invoked by uid 10); 15 Mar 2001 19:21:06 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2FJ3bg98512 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:03:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ue) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:03:37 +0100 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010315200337.N83336@nathan.ruhr.de> Mail-Followup-To: doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20010312003518.A77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312093709.B3114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010312212209.G77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312214725.B74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313002953.I77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010313124524.B2130@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313231654.G83336@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010314131233.C6138@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010314210730.J83336@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010315023806.B46684@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010315023806.B46684@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 02:38:06AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 02:38:06AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 09:07:30PM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > I still can't see anything in my archives, other than the biblio stuff, > that comes close to this. Don't be so self-centered ;-) > If you've submitted stuff to the -doc list before and not had any feedback > then I'm sorry, but sometimes that's how things work. Yeah, that's what I told myself the first time a month's work went down the drain. I still believed it the second time. By the third time, I took the hint and stopped doing it. > I've got > a bunch of e-mails pending in my -doc spool that I haven't replied to > yet, simply because I don't have the cycles to do them the justice they > deserve. That's exactly the wrong approach. No feedback is one the worst forms of disapproval; and the reason for the lack of feedback doesn't matter. > If you want to help accelerate the process then the door is open. So noted. > That's a separate discussion, and one I'll follow up on with Alex. I > think it's a very bad idea to have translations with different content > in them. This isn't a "My documentation is better than yours" contest. No, it's a question of available ressources and priorities. And for me, the German translation has (surprise, surprise) the higher priority. Changing my opinion on this topic is rather impossible. > Just because the stylesheet > *default* is to use the mnemonics doesn't mean that we have to go with the > default. I do not think that hacking the stylesheets until they bleed is a good idea. You're creating an additional hurdle for new contributors: The docbook reference says that using the bibliography markup gives you mnemonics and a seperate bibliography page. And now they work on FreeBSD documentation and suddenly everything is different. Change the document font, the font size, the adjustment, fine. Add a header or a footer, sure. Add http meta tags, all right. But wholesale hacks like this? /me shudders. Just imagine somebody would use the same approach for the source code: "Yeah, we know that the C standard uses { } for blocks and [ ] for arrays. We've decided to swap that." > But so far I've had no comments on the patches I've sent to the > mailing list. I rest my case. /s/Udo -- Cocaine is nature's way of telling you you have too much money. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 15 13: 5:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051B537B71A for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 13:04:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2FL3pw01181; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:03:51 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:03:50 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010315210350.A1113@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010312093709.B3114@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010312212209.G77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312214725.B74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313002953.I77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010313124524.B2130@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313231654.G83336@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010314131233.C6138@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010314210730.J83336@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010315023806.B46684@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010315200337.N83336@nathan.ruhr.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010315200337.N83336@nathan.ruhr.de>; from ue@nathan.ruhr.de on Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 08:03:37PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 08:03:37PM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 02:38:06AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > If you've submitted stuff to the -doc list before and not had any feedb= ack > > then I'm sorry, but sometimes that's how things work. >=20 > Yeah, that's what I told myself the first time a month's work went down > the drain. I still believed it the second time. By the third time, I took > the hint and stopped doing it. How many of these were done as PRs? As already noted, you seem to have a good record of getting PRs committed. I can not miraculously whistle up another eight hours a day. It seems as if no one else on this list can either. I am also *not* about to start pulling out stuff committed by other people because I don't have the time to go through it in detail. Talk to Ruslan or Sheldon about their manual page work, or Neil about his infrastructure work. I'm not the only person on this list, and my occasional inabilities to reply to everyone I want to is in no way a barrier to anyone else on the list replying and offering constructive comment. > > I've got > > a bunch of e-mails pending in my -doc spool that I haven't replied to > > yet, simply because I don't have the cycles to do them the justice they > > deserve. >=20 > That's exactly the wrong approach. No feedback is one the worst forms of > disapproval; and the reason for the lack of feedback doesn't matter. "Interesting idea, but I don't have the time to look at it right now, please come back when I do" is also not going to encourage people to contribute. If I have nothing constructive to add I try and stay away from the topic until I can. =20 > > Just because the stylesheet=20 > > *default* is to use the mnemonics doesn't mean that we have to go with = the=20 > > default. >=20 > I do not think that hacking the stylesheets until they bleed is a good > idea. You're creating an additional hurdle for new contributors: The > docbook reference says that using the bibliography markup gives you > mnemonics and a seperate bibliography page.=20 I don't know where you get the idea that DocBook says anything about the processing expectations if you XRef to a biblioentry. I've gone through The Definitive Guide, and can't see it, and Norm's stylesheets already support multiple mechanisms for generating the biblio link text. Currently, if to a Norm's stylesheets will, by default, put the ID in the link. However, that default can *already* be changed in Norm's stylesheets. If you do=20 (define biblio-xref-title #t) then the title will be used instead. There is no reason you couldn't add a new function that used the title, ISBN number, and (say) a link to Amazon, keyed off a biblio-xref-more variable (OK, bad choice of variable name). This is entirely within the spirit of DocBook, and SGML. In fact, without making any changes to the stylesheets at all, will use the contents of xreflabel attribute, or the element inside the biblioentry, if it exists, in preference to just using the mnemonic. And, of course, you don't have to use with its automatically generated text. You could use instead, and supply the link text yourself. Personally, I think that's generally a bad idea if you intend the link text to duplicate data that's already in the biblioentry, because then you have to update the same data in multiple places. IMHO, any of these approaches is preferable to putting in a table for formatting rather than semantic purposes. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqxLjUACgkQk6gHZCw343XGGwCfZamF3JCs74Jn/idSyt2UtVr4 uIsAn0LdyHz6+acHJLUqbco5da/dz3Db =UvrS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 15 17:38:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AF537B718; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:38:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2G1bLr11466; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:37:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:37:21 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103160137.f2G1bLr11466@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mark@type49.com, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25656: New FAQ entry for 'toor' account (PATCH) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: New FAQ entry for 'toor' account (PATCH) State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Thu Mar 15 17:37:12 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25656 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 15 18:27: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9482537B718; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:27:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2G2R1W22020; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:27:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:27:01 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103160227.f2G2R1W22020@freefall.freebsd.org> To: vallo@matti.ee, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25053: kld(4) manpage is obsolete for -current Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: kld(4) manpage is obsolete for -current State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Thu Mar 15 18:26:51 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fixed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25053 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 15 20:16:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nw173.netaddress.usa.net (nw173.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 02D5137B718 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:16:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from raprasad@usa.net) Received: (qmail 11042 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2001 04:16:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20010316041640.11041.qmail@nw173.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.73 by nw173 for [203.200.20.3] via web-mailer(34FM.0700.16A.01) on Fri Mar 16 04:16:40 GMT 2001 Date: 15 Mar 2001 21:16:40 MST From: ravi prasad To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Installing Free BSD from ftp site. X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.16A.01) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear sir, Iam very much interested in ipv6. I want to enable ipv6. Two days back i downloaded a 4.2 Release from one of your ftp sites. I have read your installtion instruction regarding installing Free BSD from ftp sites. But= iam not fully clear. I failed in my installation attempt. Kindly guide me mor= e in this matter. Waiting for your reply at the earliest. regards ravi prasad. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 15 21: 1:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns.kconline.com (ns.kconline.com [216.241.132.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC3A37B718 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:01:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lamar@ns.kconline.com) Received: from localhost (lamar@localhost) by ns.kconline.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2G516686305; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:01:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lamar@ns.kconline.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:01:06 -0500 (EST) From: Lamar Peugh To: ravi prasad Cc: Subject: Re: Installing Free BSD from ftp site. In-Reply-To: <20010316041640.11041.qmail@nw173.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 15 Mar 2001, ravi prasad wrote: > Dear sir, > Iam very much interested in ipv6. I want to enable ipv6. Two days back i > downloaded a 4.2 Release from one of your ftp sites. I have read your > installtion instruction regarding installing Free BSD from ftp sites. But iam > not fully clear. I failed in my installation attempt. Kindly guide me more in > this matter. > Waiting for your reply at the earliest. > regards > ravi prasad. Ravi, You have reached the documentation project for FreeBSD -- you ought to send your questions to questions@freebsd.org list). Keep in mind, the more info you provide as to where your install failed, what you may have done just prior to the installation failure, etc, the more likely you will receive a helpful and prompt response to your question. You can also browse the archives to see if your particular questions have already been addressed and solved in the past (I don't have access to a browser at the moment, so I can't point you to a URL where you could start that search, so you'll just have to start at www.freebsd.org). Best Regards and good luck! Lamar Peugh KC Online System Administration - sysadmin@kconline.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 15 21:14:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.connectcomp.com (adsl-63-203-139-198.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.203.139.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E64B37B718 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:14:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-MAIL@connectcomp.com) Received: by mail.connectcomp.com from localhost (router,SLMail V4.3); Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:18:38 -0800 for To: Multiple recipients of list MAIL From: "list" Subject: All Computers under $400 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 18:22:46 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: X-SLUIDL: ADA16A4B-19AA11D5-A8940060-0831E6D1 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.connectcomp.com/ Intel Celeron-600MHz Complete Multimedia System $339.99 AMD K6-2 500 MULTIMEDIA & INTERNET COMPLETE SYSTEM $399 Pentium II 300 Mhz Internet and Multimedia System $305 Hewlett Packard Vectra PII 266 Desktop Internet Ready System $249 IBM 350 Internet Ready System $139.99 DELL PII 233 56k V.90 Desktop INTERNET READY System! $229.99 HP Vectra Pentium 233 Internet Ready with 2.5GB Hard Drive! $179.99 http://www.connectcomp.com/ If you wished to be removed from our mailing list please reply to this email with the word "DELETE" in the subject line To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 15 22:40: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38D937B71A for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2G6e1A67858; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from minya.sea.one-eyed-alien.net (minya.sea.one-eyed-alien.net [216.39.168.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0E037B719 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:33:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brooks@minya.sea.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: by minya.sea.one-eyed-alien.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9936124D22; Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:39:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <20010316063907.9936124D22@minya.sea.one-eyed-alien.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:39:07 -0800 (PST) From: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net Reply-To: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/25844: [PATCH] handbook implies that partial source upgrade are ok Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25844 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] handbook implies that partial source upgrade are ok >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Mar 15 22:40:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Brooks Davis >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD minya.sea.one-eyed-alien.net 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #9: Sat Mar 10 15:31:27 PST 2001 root@minya.sea.one-eyed-alien.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MINYA i386 >Description: In the section titled "Synchronizing Your Source" the handbook says: There are various ways of using an Internet (or email) connection to stay up-to-date with any given area of the FreeBSD project sources, or all areas, depending on what interests you. At least one user and misinterpreted this to mean that you could, for example, update your kernel but not your userland. This is untrue. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: The following patch warns users not do try this and also warns them not to update their kernel without updating their world. Index: cutting-edge/chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.59 diff -u -r1.59 chapter.sgml --- cutting-edge/chapter.sgml 2001/01/03 13:23:22 1.59 +++ cutting-edge/chapter.sgml 2001/03/16 06:30:58 @@ -402,6 +402,16 @@ CVS, CVSup, and CTM.     + + While it is possible to update only parts of your source + tree, the only supported update procedure is to update the entire + tree and recompile both userland and kernel sources. Updating + only part of your source tree, only the kernel or only + userland will often result in problems. These problems may + range from compile errors to kernel panics and data + corruption. + + Anonymous CVS and CVSup use the pull model of updating sources. In the case of >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 0: 6:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E42E37B71A for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:06:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-24-221-169-54.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA67848 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:06:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2G885s90915 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:08:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 23:58:57 -0800 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org From: Rich Morin Subject: test message (i) - please ignore Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a test of my ability to circumvent the reverse DNS-based filtering brain-damage that the freebsd lists are currently implementing. -r -- -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm email: rdm@cfcl.com phone: +1 650-873-7841 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 0:11:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D93537B71E for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:11:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-24-221-169-54.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA70848 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2G8A9k90943 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:10:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:00:48 -0800 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: Rich Morin Subject: test message (c) - please ignore Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a test of my ability to circumvent the reverse DNS-based filtering brain-damage that the freebsd lists are currently implementing. -r -- -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm email: rdm@cfcl.com phone: +1 650-873-7841 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 2: 8: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.connectcomp.com (adsl-63-203-139-198.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.203.139.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D3B37B718 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 02:07:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-mail@connectcomp.com) Received: by mail.connectcomp.com from localhost (router,SLMail V4.3); Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:34:07 -0800 for To: Multiple recipients of list mail Message-id: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:22:46 -0800 Subject: All Computers under $400 From: "list@connectcomp.com" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SLUIDL: ADA175A6-19AA11D5-A8940060-0831E6D1 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.connectcomp.com/ Intel Celeron-600MHz Complete Multimedia System $339.99 AMD K6-2 500 MULTIMEDIA & INTERNET COMPLETE SYSTEM $399 Pentium II 300 Mhz Internet and Multimedia System $305 Hewlett Packard Vectra PII 266 Desktop Internet Ready System $249 IBM 350 Internet Ready System $139.99 DELL PII 233 56k V.90 Desktop INTERNET READY System! $229.99 HP Vectra Pentium 233 Internet Ready with 2.5GB Hard Drive! $179.99 http://www.connectcomp.com/ If you wished to be removed from our mailing list please reply to this email with the word "DELETE" in the subject line To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 2:42:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from seismo.de.uu.net (seismo.de.uu.net [192.76.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A041D37B71C; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 02:42:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uerdelho@django.de.uu.net) Received: from seismo.de.uu.net (localhost.de.uu.net [127.0.0.1]) by seismo.de.uu.net (5.5.5/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18953; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:42:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from django.de.uu.net (django.de.uu.net [195.126.111.48]) by seismo.de.uu.net (5.5.5/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18916; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:42:07 +0100 (MET) Received: (from uerdelho@localhost) by django.de.uu.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id KAA28078; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:42:07 GMT Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 10:42:07 +0000 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: Udo Erdelhoff , Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010316104207.H24155@django.de.uu.net> References: <20010312212209.G77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010312214725.B74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313002953.I77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010313124524.B2130@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313231654.G83336@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010314131233.C6138@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010314210730.J83336@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010315023806.B46684@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010315200337.N83336@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010315210350.A1113@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CNfT9TXqV7nd4cfk" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010315210350.A1113@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 09:03:50PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --CNfT9TXqV7nd4cfk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 09:03:50PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 08:03:37PM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 02:38:06AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > If you've submitted stuff to the -doc list before and not had any fee= dback > > > then I'm sorry, but sometimes that's how things work. > >=20 > > Yeah, that's what I told myself the first time a month's work went down > > the drain. I still believed it the second time. By the third time, I to= ok > > the hint and stopped doing it. >=20 > As already noted, you seem to have > a good record of getting PRs committed. That's no big surprise because I've learned to cheat: Find a committer, pester him until he agrees to the proposed change, do the work, submit the PR and voila, no more working for the trash can. No, that's not the correct way to do things. To answer your question: One of the trash can jobs was an answer to a request in the Documentation Project Primer; two more were submitted as a PR and rotted with a committer until somebody else needed the work for a private project - PR was committed as a side effect after something like 7 months. The rest was done after discussion on this lists, taken up by committers and never heard of again. > I am also *not* about to start pulling out stuff committed by other > people because I don't have the time to go through it in detail. This is an ... intresting statement; especially in combination with your remarks about 'following up with Alex'. As of right now, I'm really glad that we have a local repository and an established alternative location of the FAQ. > I'm not the only person on this list, and my occasional inabilities to > reply to everyone I want to is in no way a barrier to anyone else on the > list replying and offering constructive comment. See below. > "Interesting idea, but I don't have the time to look at it right now, > please come back when I do" is also not going to encourage people to > contribute. If I have nothing constructive to add I try and stay away > from the topic until I can. If the discussion is on the list, that's one thing. If it's a mail to you, a "Interesting, must look at it later" is way better than silence. In this spirit I'll refrain from comments about the bibliography issue. It's quite clear (to me, at least ;->) that we should agree to disagree on this subject. Both approaches have their advantages and disadvantages; right now I'm resting my case on the point that existing code is one of the better arguments :-> /s/Udo --=20 Udo Erdelhoff, Internet Engineer, Server & Service Management EMEA Mail: , Phone: +49-231-972-1450, Fax: +49-231-972-1180 UUNet Deutschland GmbH, a WorldCom Company -- http://www.de.uu.net/ --CNfT9TXqV7nd4cfk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQCVAwUBOrHt/UPoh1XnT6hxAQHS+wP+OT86wpPThbfwswDYiwgpqv6OXB0iO/+J cfYK91vRceO3TGdvXfEP7nJ2HE2a8vxE28kSPXcKjL6HILEOWizaHdUiTiKSq/um YODgoFXBUMlE6vNZPLREFikyxHGRGcG3dtL48VxsIb7bUQk4GqKcLxhLCX1u9XPf 97wrm2HVINc= =kxi6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CNfT9TXqV7nd4cfk-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 6:54:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.connectcomp.com (adsl-63-203-139-198.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.203.139.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDEE37B719 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 06:54:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-mail@connectcomp.com) Received: by mail.connectcomp.com from localhost (router,SLMail V4.3); Fri, 16 Mar 2001 03:17:24 -0800 for To: Multiple recipients of list mail Message-id: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:22:46 -0800 Subject: All Computers under $400 From: "list@connectcomp.com" References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SLUIDL: ADA17F9B-19AA11D5-A8940060-0831E6D1 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.connectcomp.com/ Intel Celeron-600MHz Complete Multimedia System $339.99 AMD K6-2 500 MULTIMEDIA & INTERNET COMPLETE SYSTEM $399 Pentium II 300 Mhz Internet and Multimedia System $305 Hewlett Packard Vectra PII 266 Desktop Internet Ready System $249 IBM 350 Internet Ready System $139.99 DELL PII 233 56k V.90 Desktop INTERNET READY System! $229.99 HP Vectra Pentium 233 Internet Ready with 2.5GB Hard Drive! $179.99 http://www.connectcomp.com/ If you wished to be removed from our mailing list please reply to this email with the word "DELETE" in the subject line To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 9:44: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D6037B719 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:44:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2GHgcH88569; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:42:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: rdm@cfcl.com Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: test message (c) - please ignore In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010316094238T.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:42:38 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 10 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Erm, actually, the brain damage is at your ISP for not providing proper DNS! You ought to be kicking the hell out of them or getting a real mail service and stop trying to do this on the cheap. You're also not supposed to send test messages to any of the mailing lists - that's what test@freebsd.org is for. Imagine how much the SNR would suffer if everybody used public distribution lists for testing. All said, this is not one of your better postings. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 11: 8:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D3A37B71A; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 11:08:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2GJ88U00681; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:08:08 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:08:08 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, Udo Erdelhoff , Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Translators: Need feedback on FAQ reorganization Message-ID: <20010316190808.A389@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010312214725.B74204@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313002953.I77178@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010313124524.B2130@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010313231654.G83336@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010314131233.C6138@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010314210730.J83336@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010315023806.B46684@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010315200337.N83336@nathan.ruhr.de> <20010315210350.A1113@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010316104207.H24155@django.de.uu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wq9mPyueHGvFACwf" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010316104207.H24155@django.de.uu.net>; from uerdelho@eu.uu.net on Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 10:42:07AM +0000 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --wq9mPyueHGvFACwf Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn" Content-Disposition: inline --bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 10:42:07AM +0000, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 09:03:50PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 08:03:37PM +0100, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 02:38:06AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > > If you've submitted stuff to the -doc list before and not had any f= eedback > > > > then I'm sorry, but sometimes that's how things work. > > >=20 > > > Yeah, that's what I told myself the first time a month's work went do= wn > > > the drain. I still believed it the second time. By the third time, I = took > > > the hint and stopped doing it. > >=20 > > As already noted, you seem to have > > a good record of getting PRs committed. >=20 > That's no big surprise because I've learned to cheat: Find a committer, > pester him until he agrees to the proposed change, do the work, submit > the PR and voila, no more working for the trash can. No, that's not > the correct way to do things. That's certainly one way to do things. Until we get more committers I wouldn't be surprised if it was quite an effective way. > > I am also *not* about to start pulling out stuff committed by other > > people because I don't have the time to go through it in detail. >=20 > This is an ... intresting statement; especially in combination with your > remarks about 'following up with Alex'.=20 I have no intention of pulling out any work you've done while there's no alternative. But when there is an alternative, I would expect the German (and any other translations) to to follow suit. > > "Interesting idea, but I don't have the time to look at it right now, > > please come back when I do" is also not going to encourage people to > > contribute. If I have nothing constructive to add I try and stay away > > from the topic until I can. >=20 > If the discussion is on the list, that's one thing. If it's a mail to > you, a "Interesting, must look at it later" is way better than silence. I do my best to make sure that stuff like this is replied to with "I'm too busy right now, please try asking on -doc where someone else may be able to assist." Stuff slips through the cracks some times. Sorry, but that's life. =20 > In this spirit I'll refrain from comments about the bibliography issue. > It's quite clear (to me, at least ;->) that we should agree to disagree > on this subject. Both approaches have their advantages and disadvantages; > right now I'm resting my case on the point that existing code is one of t= he > better arguments :-> Attached is a diff to freebsd.dsl which rewrites Norm's xref-biblioentry function, and a diff to the FAQ to use it. It pulls in the title, publisher, and ISBN when a biblio entry is referenced, and leaves the rest of the information in the bibliography. It's trivial to extend this to include other elements from the bibliography (and if you, or anyone else, is looking for an easy way to in to DSSSL I suggest looking at my xref-biblioentry function, and Norm's in $PREFIX/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/html/dblink.dsl to see how I modified it). Acceptable compromise? Test it by applying the patches and doing make JADEFLAGS=3D-Vbiblio-xref-title As a bonus, I've also knocked up a quick function (probably needs a little work) that shows how every &man.xxx.n; reference (which devolves to ) can automatically be turned in to links to the CGI manual page thingy on www.freebsd.org. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=diff1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Index: freebsd.dsl =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dsl,v retrieving revision 1.25 diff -u -r1.25 freebsd.dsl --- freebsd.dsl 2001/03/04 18:05:19 1.25 +++ freebsd.dsl 2001/03/16 19:01:46 @@ -1,3 +1,5 @@ + + =20 =20 @@ -354,6 +366,56 @@ (string-append "Q" (question-answer-label))) (else (string-append "AEN" (number->string (all-element-number nd)))= ))) + + +(define (xref-biblioentry target) + (let* ((abbrev (node-list-first + (node-list-filter-out-pis (children target)))) + (label (attribute-string (normalize "xreflabel") target))) + + (if biblio-xref-title + (let* ((citetitles (select-elements (descendants target) + (normalize "citetitle"))) + (titles (select-elements (descendants target) + (normalize "title"))) + (isbn (select-elements (descendants target) + (normalize "isbn"))) + (publisher (select-elements (descendants target) + (normalize "publishername"))) + (title (if (node-list-empty? citetitles) + (node-list-first titles) + (node-list-first citetitles)))) + (with-mode xref-title-mode + (make sequence + (process-node-list title) + (if (node-list-empty? publisher) + (empty-sosofo) + (make sequence + (literal %biblsep%) + (process-node-list publisher))) + (if (node-list-empty? isbn) + (empty-sosofo) + (make sequence + (literal %biblsep%) + (literal "ISBN: ") + (process-node-list isbn)))))) + (if biblio-number + (make sequence + (literal "[" (number->string (bibentry-number target)) "]")) + (if label + (make sequence + (literal "[" label "]")) + (if (equal? (gi abbrev) (normalize "abbrev")) + (make sequence + (process-node-list abbrev)) + (make sequence + (literal "[" (id target) "]")))))))) + =20 --bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=diff2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Index: book.sgml =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.157 diff -u -r1.157 book.sgml --- book.sgml 2001/03/15 02:02:41 1.157 +++ book.sgml 2001/03/16 18:59:08 @@ -617,48 +617,23 @@ =20 - 4.4BSD System Manager's Manual - By Computer Systems Research Group, UC Berkeley - 1st Edition June 1994, 804 pages - ISBN: - 1-56592-080-5 + =20 - 4.4BSD User's Reference Manual - By Computer Systems Research Group, UC Berkeley - 1st Edition June 1994, 905 pages - ISBN: - 1-56592-075-9 + =20 - 4.4BSD User's Supplementary Documents - By Computer Systems Research Group, UC Berkeley - 1st Edition July 1994, 712 pages - ISBN: - 1-56592-076-7 + =20 - 4.4BSD Programmer's Reference Manual - By Computer Systems Research Group, UC Berkeley - 1st Edition June 1994, 886 pages - ISBN: - 1-56592-078-3 + =20 - 4.4BSD Programmer's Supplementary Documents - By Computer Systems Research Group, UC Berkeley - 1st Edition July 1994, 596 pages - ISBN: - 1-56592-079-1 + =20 @@ -11870,4 +11845,128 @@ And to any others we've forgotten, apologies and heartfelt thanks! + + + Useful Books + + + + 4.4BSD System Manager's Manual +=09 + Computer Systems Research Group, University of=20 + California, Berkeley +=09 + + O'Reilly and Associates + +=09 + 1st +=09 + June 1994 +=09 + 1-56592-080-5 + + + =20 + + + 4.4BSD User's Reference Manual +=09 + Computer Systems Research Group, University of=20 + California, Berkeley + =20 + + O'Reilly and Associates + +=09 + 1994 +=09 + 1-56592-075-9 + + + + + 4.4BSD User's Supplementary Documents +=09 + Computer Systems Research Group, University of=20 + California, Berkeley +=09 + + O'Reilly and Associates + +=09 + 1994 +=09 + 1-56592-076-7 + + + =20 + + + 4.4BSD Programmer's Reference Manual +=09 + Computer Systems Research Group, University of=20 + California, Berkeley +=09 + + O'Reilly and Associates + +=09 + 1994 +=09 + 1-56592-078-3 + + + =20 + + McKusick et al, 1994 +=09 + + Berkeley Software Architecture Manual, 4.4BSD Edition + =20 + + + M. K. + McKusick + + =20 + + M. J. + Karels + + =20 + + S. J. + Leffler + + =20 + + W. N. + Joy + + =20 + + R. S. + Faber + + +=09 + 5:1-42 + + + + 4.4BSD Programmer's Supplementary Documents + + + O'Reilly & Associates, Inc. +
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    +     + + 1994 +     +     +     --bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn-- --wq9mPyueHGvFACwf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqyZGQACgkQk6gHZCw343UrbACfVEMKzEy0TsbkGexIlIpgGsWL 92kAoIAgyrm1kxA3yrjeLWcAdnsDrUri =Mvmw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wq9mPyueHGvFACwf-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 14: 9:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFA937B719 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:09:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@holly.calldei.com) Received: from holly.calldei.com ([208.191.149.190]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0GAB001615H9UK@mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net> for doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:41:35 -0600 (CST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f2GKhTm63591 for doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:43:29 -0600 (CST envelope-from chris) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 14:43:24 -0600 From: Chris Costello Subject: Style question about FAQ reorganization. In-reply-to: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com>; from chris@calldei.com on Sun, Mar 11, 2001 at 12:50:40PM -0600 To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20010316144323.E52419@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Small nit question. I'm doing a test run on my system and local repository and I'm just wondering about a couple style issues: a.) Do chapter moves (from book.sgml into foo/foo.sgml) include the whitespace changes as well (as in moving the indention back to the left edge), or is that supposed to be a separate commit? b.) 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Company name: __________________________________________ Contact name: __________________________________________ Phone: _________________________________________________ Fax: ___________________________________________________ Mailing Address:________________________________________ City, Zip, State:_______________________________________ Country:________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 16:20:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D19B37B719 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:20:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2H0K6810185; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:20:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from palraz.rem.cmu.edu (PALRAZ.REM.CMU.EDU [128.2.82.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FB537B718 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:19:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpelleg@palraz.rem.cmu.edu) Received: (from dpelleg@localhost) by palraz.rem.cmu.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2H0JEA11088; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:19:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dpelleg) Message-Id: <200103170019.f2H0JEA11088@palraz.rem.cmu.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:19:14 -0500 (EST) From: dpelleg+bsd@cs.cmu.edu Reply-To: dpelleg+bsd@cs.cmu.edu To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/25864: RELNOTES.TXT repeats a sentence Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25864 >Category: docs >Synopsis: RELNOTES.TXT repeats a sentence >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Mar 16 16:20:00 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Dan Pelleg >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD k 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #2: Tue Mar 13 20:36:54 EST 2001 root@k:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/K i386 >Description: {alpha,i386}/RELNOTES.TXT repeat the sentence about bzip2 support: pkg_create(1) and pkg_install(1) can now work with packages that have been compressed using bzip2(1). pkg_create(1) and pkg_add(1) can now work with packages that have been compressed using bzip2(1). pkg_add(1) will use the PACKAGEROOT environment variable to determine a mirror site for new packages. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Merge the two paragraphs into one. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 16:24:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bezeqint.net (mail-a.bezeqint.net [192.115.106.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F4A37B719 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:24:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from xhpgx@aol.com) Received: from mail.12x.co.il (cable-95179.bezeqint.net) by mail.bezeqint.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0GAB00ABWEV9D0@mail.bezeqint.net> for doc@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 02:04:22 +0200 (IST) Received: from fwall.12x.co.il [192.168.0.254] by mail.12x.co.il (SMTPD32-6.05) id A589D000270; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:12:09 +0200 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 02:00:55 +0200 From: xhpgx@aol.com Subject: Internet By SIC Codes cwxzv To: jqzif@webcrawler.com Reply-To: Message-id: <200103162112593.SM00137@fwall.12x.co.il> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can now access up-to-date data for 1.6 million companies worldwide. 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Company name: __________________________________________ Contact name: __________________________________________ Phone: _________________________________________________ Fax: ___________________________________________________ Mailing Address:________________________________________ City, Zip, State:_______________________________________ Country:________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 17:21:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5126737B718; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:21:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2H1LDG17447; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:21:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:21:13 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103170121.f2H1LDG17447@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dpelleg+bsd@cs.cmu.edu, jkh@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25864: RELNOTES.TXT repeats a sentence Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: RELNOTES.TXT repeats a sentence State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jkh State-Changed-When: Fri Mar 16 17:21:00 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25864 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 17:34: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF8C37B71A; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:34:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2H1Y2A18327; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:34:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:34:02 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103170134.f2H1Y2A18327@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/23324: add information to FAQ on how to use wheeled mouse under XFree86 4.x Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: add information to FAQ on how to use wheeled mouse under XFree86 4.x State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Fri Mar 16 17:33:52 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23324 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 17:59: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F3B37B719; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:58:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2H1wwB20471; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:58:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:58:58 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103170158.f2H1wwB20471@freefall.freebsd.org> To: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25844: [PATCH] handbook implies that partial source upgrade are ok Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] handbook implies that partial source upgrade are ok State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Fri Mar 16 17:58:48 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25844 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 19:22:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from oracle.clara.net (oracle.clara.net [195.8.69.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED90E37B718 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:22:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@clara.co.uk) Received: from [213.253.39.72] (helo=myname.my.domain) by oracle.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 3.11 #5) id 14e7IH-000ElM-00 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 03:22:17 +0000 Received: (from alex@localhost) by myname.my.domain (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2H3NXf21204 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 03:23:33 GMT (envelope-from alex) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 03:23:33 +0000 From: "Aleksandar Simic'" To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: ISO-8859-2 encoding in SGML ? Message-ID: <20010317032333.A21184@frustum.clara.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, some of my friends have started translating the handbook into Serbian language. One of the obstacles they came up against when trying to typeset the translation using SGML, is that by default ISO-8859-1 encoding is used, whilst Serbian language requires ISO-8859-2 encoding when using latin alphabet, or ISO-8859-5 when using cyrillic. What I would like to ask you is if you could show me the tag required in order to typeset the documentation using ISO-8859-2 fonts. If you could demonstrate it using this as an example: http://www.freebsd.org/docs/en/books/fdp-primer/x3125.html I am also curious to know if ISO-8859-5 encoding is supported "out of the box" ? Will there be any extra steps involved in order to get SGML to work with it ? Thank you for your time, --Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 20:39:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE8E37B718 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:39:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-24-221-169-54.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06664 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:39:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2H4ehL03473 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:40:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010316094238T.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> References: <20010316094238T.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:22:35 -0800 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: Rich Morin Subject: Re: test message (c) - please ignore Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 9:42 AM -0800 3/16/01, Jordan Hubbard wrote: >... You're also not supposed to send test messages to any of the >mailing lists - that's what test@freebsd.org is for. Imagine how >much the SNR would suffer if everybody used public distribution >lists for testing. Point taken. Now, wouldn't it be a Good Thing to say something about this on the appropriate web page, which I take to be: http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL I have scanned this document in some detail. AFAICT: "freebsd-test" is never mentioned, let alone explained. "freebsd-test-digest" is mentioned (once), but not explained. -r -- -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm email: rdm@cfcl.com phone: +1 650-873-7841 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 21:10: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046DA37B71A for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2H5A1r44121; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from racine.cybercable.fr (racine.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7EBD237B718 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:04:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@gits.dyndns.org) Received: (qmail 22967486 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 05:04:38 -0000 Received: from d165.dhcp212-231.cybercable.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([212.198.231.165]) (envelope-sender ) by racine.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Mar 2001 05:04:38 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2H54b606832; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 06:04:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from root) Message-Id: <200103170504.f2H54b606832@gits.dyndns.org> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 06:04:37 +0100 (CET) From: Cyrille Lefevre Reply-To: clefevre@poboxes.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/25873: vinum home page has moved Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25873 >Category: docs >Synopsis: vinum home page has moved >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Mar 16 21:10:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Cyrille Lefevre >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA i386 >Organization: ACME >Environment: System: FreeBSD gits 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #18: Sat Mar 17 02:17:40 CET 2001 root@:/disk2/4.x-stable/src/sys/compile/CUSTOM i386 >Description: the project page (http://www.freebsd.org/projects/projects.html) reference the vinum home page as http://www.lemis.com/vinum.html which says : This document has moved. You should automatically be taken to http://www.vinumvm.org/ >How-To-Repeat: see descr. >Fix: Index: projects.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/www/en/projects/projects.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.100 diff -u -r1.100 projects.sgml --- projects.sgml 2001/03/11 20:57:33 1.100 +++ projects.sgml 2001/03/17 05:00:08 @@ -295,7 +295,7 @@ consists of 20 200MHz PC PCs, which host 370 8GB disks. The PCs are connected through a 100Mbps Ethernet switch. -
  • Vinum +
  • Vinum is a logical volume manager modeled after the VERITAS volume manager. However, it is not a clone of Veritas, and attempts to solve a number of problems more elegantly than Veritas. It also offers >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 21:17:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92E537B71A; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:17:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2H5Hpt44901; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:17:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:17:51 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103170517.f2H5Hpt44901@freefall.freebsd.org> To: clefevre@poboxes.com, grog@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, grog@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/25873: vinum home page has moved Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: vinum home page has moved State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: grog State-Changed-When: Fri Mar 16 21:17:00 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Change request committed. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->grog Responsible-Changed-By: grog Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Mar 16 21:17:00 PST 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: grog handles Vinum. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25873 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 21:39:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E91A37B718; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 21:39:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp (kuriyama@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.160]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2H5dcT10430; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:39:39 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:39:35 +0900 Message-ID: <7mg0gdt0mg.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/docs/, /FAQ/, /handbook/, and others In-Reply-To: <20010315103248.A49019@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010314212034.A45244@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <7mk85rvksr.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <20010315103248.A49019@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.4.1 (Stand By Me) SEMI/1.13.7 (Awazu) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) MULE XEmacs/21.1 (patch 14) (Cuyahoga Valley) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.7 - "Awazu") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 15 Mar 2001 10:34:30 GMT, nik wrote: > I was confused about this too -- I can't see the difference, but people > were saying that directory symlinks are bad, but file symlinks are not > (or, at least, less bad). IMHO, problem is not whether file or directory, but how many duplicates caused by that. > I would like all the documentation to be easily accessible from > docs/index.html (or doc/index.html, I'm easy on that point) on the web > site. This page (and/or set of pages) would then contain links to the > actual documentation, shielding the user from the length of the URLs. Ideally, that's good. But usually, I often type URL of the Handbook directory, not use hyper-link on top page. But as you said, we now have many documents to be linked. So I agree with you to use docs/index.html for portal of documents. > 1. Use redirects in the web server config file. > > 2. Symlink the FAQ/ directory to ../docs/en*/books/faq/ > > 3. Symlink the contents of ../docs/en*/books/faq/ in to FAQ > > 4. Duplicate the content by installing copies of the documentation > in to FAQ and Handbook. Hmmm, what I want to know is not *how* to achieve new hierarchy, *what* hierarchy you want to use. > > We should consider how to use language identifier in URL. > > Good question. Again, IMHO, I think that someone going to www.freebsd.org > would expect to see the English home page, going to > www.freebsd.org/handbook/ would expect to see the English Handbook, and > so on. Agreed. > I'm not very comfortable with the current approach of putting the other > languages in subdirectories, such as ja/, although I can see some merits > to it. But as a user, I would expect to go www.ja.freebsd.org and see > the Japanese page by default. I think making new domain (like www.ja) is not good idea. If we decide to use www.FreeBSD.rog/ja for Japanese translated pages, that is enough for us (of course it's my point of view). Japanese translation is often old information than the English version. So we often refer the English version to know latest information. This causes switching both version frequently. I like current structure which includes multiple languages in one domain. I want to know other person's opinion about this... > I also like the work I've seen on other sites where most pages have a > link at the bottom of them that says something like > > This page also available in: [English] [Japanese] [Spanish] [...] > > where the various language names take you to the translation of the same > page. I have not yet given any thought to how we could easily achieve > this, given that different translations have progressed differently in > terms of the amount they have translated. Honestly, I have no idea to use this feature because: o We are using language separated directory. Default behavior of Apache requires language suffix to select localized contents. o We should not request special configuration for mirror site administrators. I hope someone knows neat idea... > [ Speaking of which, is your automated list of where the translations > lag the English version still available? We should probably put a > link to that somewhere prominent, and extend it for the other > translations ] Yes, please refer here: http://www.jp.FreeBSD.org/doc-jp/syncstat/ > Perhaps we should be installing all the HTML files with an additional > suffix depending on the language: index.html.en, index.html.ja, and so > forth. A variable set during install time would then symlink these back > to the regular filename. So if you do "make install" with WEB_LANG set > to en_US.ISO_8859-1 then index.html is a link to index.html.en. If > WEB_LANG is set to ja_JP.eucJP then index.html is a link to > index.html.ja, and so forth. A proof of concept of this is probably > only a couple of hours work, if someone wants to send a patch. > > I'm just kicking out ideas for discussion at the moment. Using content negotiation should be discussed more carefully. Please give me more time to consider. As first step, how about to install books, articles and so on like this (not using docs/en): /index.html /docs/books/handbook/index.html /docs/books/porters-handbook/index.html /docs/articles/committers-guide/index.html /ja/index.html /ja/docs/books/handbook/index.html /ja/docs/books/porters-handbook/index.html /ja/docs/articles/committers-guide/index.html -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 23: 0: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2251E37B719 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:00:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2H702759735; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:00:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA7D37B719 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:58:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-24-221-169-54.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA90918 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:58:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rdm@localhost) by cfcl.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2H6xPu06499; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:59:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm) Message-Id: <200103170659.f2H6xPu06499@cfcl.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:59:25 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Morin Reply-To: rdm@cfcl.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/25875: the mailstats(8) header has the wrong section number Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25875 >Category: docs >Synopsis: the mailstats(8) header has the wrong section number >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Mar 16 23:00:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Rich Morin >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Canta Forda Computer Laboratory >Environment: FreeBSD fb42.cfcl.com 4.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #0: Mon Nov 20 13:02:55 GMT 2000 jkh@bento.FreeBSD.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 >Description: The man page for mailstats(8) begins with the heading: MAILSTATS(1) ... MAILSTATS(1) >How-To-Repeat: man 8 mailstats >Fix: Edit the heading to display "MAILSTATS(8)". >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 16 23:20: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C91737B719 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:20:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2H7K4963624; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:20:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from tsukuyomi.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (tsukuyomi.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.4.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08BC37B718 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2001 23:16:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from koizumi@tsukuyomi.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (from koizumi@localhost) by tsukuyomi.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04218; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:16:48 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from koizumi) Message-Id: <200103170716.QAA04218@tsukuyomi.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:16:48 +0900 (JST) From: koizumi@cms.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp Reply-To: koizumi@cms.phys.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/25876: typos in jail.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25876 >Category: docs >Synopsis: typos in jail.2 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Mar 16 23:20:00 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Koizumi Satoru >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386 >Organization: FreeBSD Japanese Manual Translation Project >Environment: FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386, with man distribution >Description: Typo about upper case and lower case. >How-To-Repeat: Do "man 2 jail". >Fix: --- jail.2.orig Sat Mar 17 15:36:53 2001 +++ jail.2 Sat Mar 17 15:37:03 2001 @@ -75,7 +75,7 @@ a single hyphen for a process at large, or the hostname currently set for the prison for jailed processes. .Sh ERRORS -.Fn jail +.Fn Jail will fail if: .Bl -tag -width Er .It Bq Er EINVAL @@ -83,7 +83,7 @@ .El .Pp Further -.Fn Jail +.Fn jail calls .Xr chroot 2 internally, so the it can fail for all the same reasons. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 17 15: 7: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.208.78.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B3437B71E for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:06:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2HN9ek30316 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:09:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:09:40 -0800 From: Steve Kargl To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Posting FAQ to newsgroups Message-ID: <20010317150940.A30304@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Would anyone here have a heart attack if I post doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq to the newsgroups. I have formatted the FAQ from 17 Mar 01 sources to product book.txt. I then split this into 14 parts: FAQ-X-windows-Virtual-console.txt FAQ-acknowledgment.txt FAQ-advanced-hacking.txt FAQ-commerical-apps.txt FAQ-hardware.txt FAQ-installation.txt FAQ-kernel-config.txt FAQ-misc.txt FAQ-networking.txt FAQ-ppp.txt FAQ-preface.txt FAQ-serial-communications.txt FAQ-system-admin.txt FAQ-troubleshooting.txt FAQ-user-apps.txt Yes, I have retained the FDP copyright in each file. -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 17 15:36:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFF337B718 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:36:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2HNahc10918; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:36:43 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 23:36:42 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Steve Kargl Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Posting FAQ to newsgroups Message-ID: <20010317233642.A10885@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010317150940.A30304@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010317150940.A30304@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>; from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu on Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:09:40PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:09:40PM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: > Would anyone here have a heart attack if I post > doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq to the newsgroups. Shouldn't be a problem. Which newsgroups? Is this something you plan on doing regularly? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqz9QkACgkQk6gHZCw343WddgCfZ2JO8PGOAxEP9IRLldc068Np J3cAn2a+mQb9k84mp4KkTpN+/pZwohXG =sQ8S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bg08WKrSYDhXBjb5-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 17 15:37: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B93137B718 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 15:36:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2HJfFF09767; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:41:15 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 19:41:15 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: "Aleksandar Simic'" Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISO-8859-2 encoding in SGML ? Message-ID: <20010317194115.A9166@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010317032333.A21184@frustum.clara.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010317032333.A21184@frustum.clara.co.uk>; from alex@frustum.clara.co.uk on Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:23:33AM +0000 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:23:33AM +0000, Aleksandar Simic' wrote: > some of my friends have started translating the handbook into Serbian > language. One of the obstacles they came up against when trying to > typeset the translation using SGML, is that by default ISO-8859-1 > encoding is used, whilst Serbian language requires ISO-8859-2 encoding > when using latin alphabet, or ISO-8859-5 when using cyrillic. > =20 > What I would like to ask you is if you could show me the tag required > in order to typeset the documentation using ISO-8859-2 fonts. If you > could demonstrate it using this as an example: > http://www.freebsd.org/docs/en/books/fdp-primer/x3125.html >=20 > I am also curious to know if ISO-8859-5 encoding is supported "out of > the box" ? Will there be any extra steps involved in order to get SGML > to work with it ? All good questions, and I'm afraid I haven't got a clue what the answer is. You should probably ask the DocBook-Apps list, at=20 docbook-apps@lists.oasis-open.org The LinuxDoc, KDE, or GNOME folks might also have run in to, and solved this problem. I suggest checking their mailing lists as well, more information at http://www.linuxdoc.org/mailinfo.html http://www.kde.org/international/index.html http://www.gnome.org/resources/mailing-lists.html Please let us know what you find. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjqzvdgACgkQk6gHZCw343U23wCeOHcKPF9sCQ8YFaqPBJMgHOR9 OSIAn3yaYZuY/MKd3uq0VDYgMCWlA5FL =4Et7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 17 16: 0:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.208.78.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C59D37B718; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:00:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2I039x30827; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:03:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sgk) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:03:09 -0800 From: Steve Kargl To: Nik Clayton Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Posting FAQ to newsgroups Message-ID: <20010317160309.A30693@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <20010317150940.A30304@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20010317233642.A10885@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010317233642.A10885@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:36:42PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:36:42PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:09:40PM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: > > Would anyone here have a heart attack if I post > > doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq to the newsgroups. > > Shouldn't be a problem. Which newsgroups? Is this something you plan > on doing regularly? > comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc If no one objects, I'll post it once a month. I'll generate the FAQ from whatever is in the source tree when I get around to formatting it. Wolfram Schneider posts a list of the new/updated ports every 2 weeks to c.u.b.f.a, but that might be too often for the FAQ. -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 17 17:48:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from backup.san.rr.com (backup.san.rr.com [24.25.193.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0267C37B718 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:48:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karlc@san.rr.com) Received: from twc4082 ([24.130.161.43]) by backup.san.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with SMTP id com for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:48:47 -0800 Message-ID: <005e01c0af4d$db5fb8c0$2ba18218@san.rr.com> From: "karl" To: Subject: joining the mailing list Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:50:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C0AF0A.CCF95540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C0AF0A.CCF95540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello, could you please include me on the mailing list? thanks ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C0AF0A.CCF95540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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