From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 0:58:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from aeon.tvd.be (aeon.tvd.be [195.162.196.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7946E37B426 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 00:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cocaine.cryolabs.net (cable-213-132-151-215.upc.chello.be [213.132.151.215]) by aeon.tvd.be (8.9.3/8.9.3/RELAY-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA03768; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 09:58:19 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 09:57:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Wouter Van Hemel To: "Gary W. Swearingen" Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What's MFC mean? In-Reply-To: <7mzo7my4d2.o7m@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: PGP: 0B B4 BC 28 53 62 FE 94 6A 57 EE B8 A6 E2 1B E4 (0xAA5412F0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 22 Sep 2001, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > I filed a PR on 4.3-STABLE and the PR was closed with this comment: > > This change has been MFCed and will be in -CURRENT. > > Please explain. > mfc = "Merged from -current" > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > ________________________________ __ _ |=- w o u t e r -=|=- h t t p : / / w w w . i n s o m n i a . c x / -=| _ __ ________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 1:30: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E990937B405 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 01:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8N8U1l60408; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 01:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 01:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109230830.f8N8U1l60408@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Rahul Siddharthan Subject: Re: docs/30749: Typo in the handbook's section 14.3 Reply-To: Rahul Siddharthan Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/30749; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Shill Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/30749: Typo in the handbook's section 14.3 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:21:09 +0200 Shill said on Sep 22, 2001 at 16:08:33: > > In the handbook's section 14.3: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x13973.html > > "After adding the driver(s) you need to your kernel configuration file" > -> delete "you need" (?) What's wrong with it as it stands? (I'm not sure whether, strictly speaking, a "which" is required before "you need" but it's common usage as it is.) - R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 3:24:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A3637B428 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 03:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BelletJr@aol.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.7.) id n.82.107b8357 (4331) for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 06:24:00 -0400 (EDT) From: BelletJr@aol.com Message-ID: <82.107b8357.28df123f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 06:23:59 EDT Subject: Error in section 14.2.1 of the handbook (soundcard) To: doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 116 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! In this section, it is written: device sbc0 at isa? port0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 but it should read: device sbc0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 --- Regards, Jerome To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 4:19: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643FC37B410 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 04:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a095.otenet.gr [212.205.215.95]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f8NBIsF24501; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:18:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8NBIsJ18461; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:18:54 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from charon@labs.gr) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:18:54 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/30749: Typo in the handbook's section 14.3 Message-ID: <20010923141853.A18308@hades.hell.gr> References: <200109230830.f8N8U1l60408@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200109230830.f8N8U1l60408@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-GPG-Fingerprint: C1EB 0653 DB8B A557 3829 00F9 D60F 941A 3186 03B6 X-URL: http://labs.gr/~charon/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan wrote: >Shill said on Sep 22, 2001 at 16:08:33: >> >> In the handbook's section 14.3: >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x13973.html >> >> "After adding the driver(s) you need to your kernel configuration file" >> -> delete "you need" (?) > > What's wrong with it as it stands? (I'm not sure whether, strictly > speaking, a "which" is required before "you need" but it's common > usage as it is.) ... "that you need", "which you need", are both valid alternate forms. But it seems ok as it is. Does this really have to change? -giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 4:20:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31FC37B425 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 04:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8NBKAW91216; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 04:20:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005EE37B414 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 04:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a095.otenet.gr [212.205.215.95]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f8NBELF21390 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:14:22 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8N7H3915054; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:17:03 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from charon) Message-Id: <200109230717.f8N7H3915054@hades.hell.gr> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 10:17:03 +0300 (EEST) From: Giorgos Keramidas Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/30757: remove a smilie that makes formatting look funny in freebsd-questions article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 30757 >Category: docs >Synopsis: remove a smilie that makes formatting look funny in freebsd-questions article >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Sep 23 04:20:10 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Giorgos Keramidas >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD hades.hell.gr 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #5: Tue Sep 4 19:49:44 EEST 2001 root@hades.hell.gr:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CHARON i386 >Description: Well, smilies are ok, and they do look nice in informal texts like that of articles/freebsd-questions. The one removed by this patch is part of a parenthesized sentence though, and the opening parenthesis is not formatted like . It's really not very important, but it looks funny when one views this in a browser and is formatted with a very different font than the rest of the text. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- patch.diff begins here --- Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 article.sgml --- article.sgml 17 Jul 2001 20:51:47 -0000 1.5 +++ article.sgml 23 Sep 2001 07:13:16 -0000 @@ -382,7 +382,7 @@ To summarize, let's assume you know the answer to the following - question (yes, it's the same one in each case :-). + question (yes, it's the same one in each case). You choose which of these two questions you would be more prepared to answer: --- patch.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 4:20:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B9437B421 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 04:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8NBKAs91207; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 04:20:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 04:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109231120.f8NBKAs91207@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Salvo Bartolotta Subject: Re: docs/30749: Typo in the handbook's section 14.3 Reply-To: Salvo Bartolotta Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/30749; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Salvo Bartolotta To: Rahul Siddharthan , Shill Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/30749: Typo in the handbook's section 14.3 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 13:09:58 +0200 (CEST) > Shill said on Sep 22, 2001 at 16:08:33: > > > > In the handbook's section 14.3: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x13973.html > > > > "After adding the driver(s) you need to your kernel configuration file" > > -> delete "you need" (?) > What's wrong with it as it stands? (I'm not sure whether, strictly > speaking, a "which" is required before "you need" but it's common > usage as it is.) AFAIK, you are correct. "the driver(s) you need" contains an identifying (also: defining, restrictive) relative clause; that is, you speak of **certain** drivers (the driver(s) you need). **Object** relative pronouns are often omitted in an informal style. The whole sentence, "[adding [the driver you need] [to you kernel configuration file]]", **might** sound ambiguous, ie might also be interpreted as "[adding the driver [you need to your kernel configuration file]]"; however, considering the syntactic features of the constituents, viz the constructions the verb "(to) need" can be used in, I can see no syntactic or semantic ambiguity. I would say the sentence sounds good. :-) Just my 0.02 Euro -- Salvo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 8:30: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCCB37B414 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 08:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8NFU2T51592; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 08:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 08:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109231530.f8NFU2T51592@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Shill Subject: Re: docs/30749: Typo in the handbook's section 14.3 Reply-To: Shill Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/30749; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Shill To: Salvo Bartolotta Cc: Rahul Siddharthan , freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/30749: Typo in the handbook's section 14.3 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 08:17:56 -0700 Salvo Bartolotta wrote: > > > Shill said on Sep 22, 2001 at 16:08:33: > > > > > > In the handbook's section 14.3: > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x13973.html > > > > > > "After adding the driver(s) you need to your kernel configuration file" > > > -> delete "you need" (?) > > > What's wrong with it as it stands? (I'm not sure whether, strictly > > speaking, a "which" is required before "you need" but it's common > > usage as it is.) > > AFAIK, you are correct. > > "the driver(s) you need" contains an identifying (also: defining, restrictive) > relative clause; that is, you speak of **certain** drivers (the driver(s) you > need). **Object** relative pronouns are often omitted in an informal style. > > > The whole sentence, "[adding [the driver you need] [to you kernel > configuration file]]", **might** sound ambiguous, ie might also be interpreted > as "[adding the driver [you need to your kernel configuration file]]"; > however, considering the syntactic features of the constituents, viz the > constructions the verb "(to) need" can be used in, I can see no syntactic or > semantic ambiguity. I would say the sentence sounds good. :-) > > Just my 0.02 Euro > > -- Salvo Oooooooh, now I understand. You see, what confused me was the "you need/you will need" occurence. I immediately thought: "copy/paste mistake" and convinced myself the sentence was ungrammatical. "After adding the driver(s) you need to your kernel configuration file, you will need to recompile your kernel." Sorry for the false negative :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 8:58:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from web12705.mail.yahoo.com (web12705.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1904737B42B for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 08:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20010923155840.1152.qmail@web12705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.222.226.130] by web12705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:58:40 ART Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 12:58:40 -0300 (ART) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Santos=20Anderson?= Subject: ipfw-doc To: doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tem alguem envolvido na documentação do ipfw?Gostaria de trocar ideias? _______________________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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É fácil e grátis! http://br.geocities.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 14:39:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from silby.com (cb34181-a.mdsn1.wi.home.com [24.14.173.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D8B337B403 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 79203 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Sep 2001 21:39:22 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Sep 2001 21:39:22 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:39:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Silbersack To: Subject: Updating kernel build instructions Message-ID: <20010923163611.F79081-100000@achilles.silby.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was just helping someone setup a freebsd 4.4 box, and I noticed that he was using the old method of building kernels. I wondered where he was getting this from, and checked the handbook on the website - sure enough, we still list the directions. Since these directions are quite different than the buildkernel/buildworld system, can we totally remove them? If not, they should be explained to be mutually exclusive, NOT just two ways to do the same thing. Perhaps the "old way" could be called "FreeBSD 4.2 and older", while the "new way" could be called "FreeBSD 4.3 and above." If someone more familiar with docs could make one of the two changes, I'd appreciate it. If not, I guess I'll have to dive in and learn docbook next week. Thanks, Mike "Silby" Silbersack To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 14:46: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.urx.com (2811.dynacom.net [206.107.213.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1698837B42B for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from owt.com [206.159.132.160] by mail.urx.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.03) id A81452C01AC; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:45:56 -0700 Message-ID: <3BAE5814.FA97DA43@owt.com> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:45:56 -0700 From: Kent Stewart Reply-To: kbstew99@hotmail.com Organization: One World Telecommunications X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Silbersack Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Updating kernel build instructions References: <20010923163611.F79081-100000@achilles.silby.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Silbersack wrote: > > I was just helping someone setup a freebsd 4.4 box, and I noticed that he > was using the old method of building kernels. I wondered where he was > getting this from, and checked the handbook on the website - sure enough, > we still list the directions. > > Since these directions are quite different than the buildkernel/buildworld > system, can we totally remove them? If not, they should be explained to > be mutually exclusive, NOT just two ways to do the same thing. Perhaps > the "old way" could be called "FreeBSD 4.2 and older", while the "new way" > could be called "FreeBSD 4.3 and above." Actually, once you have done a buildworld thru installworld, you can use the old way. It still applies if you haven't done a cvsup. What you missed reading was Note: Be sure to always check the file /usr/src/UPDATING, before you perform any update steps, in the case you sync your source-tree with the latest sources of the FreeBSD project. In this file all important issues with updating FreeBSD are written down. /usr/src/UPDATING always fits to your version of the FreeBSD source, and is therefore more accurate for those information than the handbook. I think Section 19.4 covers both ways pretty well. Kent > > If someone more familiar with docs could make one of the two changes, I'd > appreciate it. If not, I guess I'll have to dive in and learn docbook > next week. > > Thanks, > > Mike "Silby" Silbersack > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 14:50:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683F737B41C for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8NLo2S15636; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from theshell.com (arsenic.theshell.com [63.236.138.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E40E337B41D for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 14:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21281 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 2001 21:46:30 -0000 Message-Id: <20010923214630.21280.qmail@theshell.com> Date: 23 Sep 2001 21:46:30 -0000 From: Peter Avalos Reply-To: Peter Avalos To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/30772: blackhole(4) manpage updates Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 30772 >Category: docs >Synopsis: blackhole(4) manpage updates >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Sep 23 14:50:02 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Peter Avalos >Release: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE i386 >Organization: none >Environment: System: FreeBSD arsenic.theshell.com 4.4-STABLE FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE #0: Tue Sep 18 17:29:35 PDT 2001 support@arsenic.theshell.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ARSENIC i386 >Description: The blackhole(4) manpage uses the deprecated sysctl -w as an example and it is a bit wordy. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: behaviour -> behavior sysctl -w -> sysctl black hole -> blackhole remove second-person pronouns (your) Fix some wordiness. --- blackhole.4 Tue Aug 14 04:58:07 2001 +++ blackhole.4.new Sun Sep 23 14:37:51 2001 @@ -19,53 +19,50 @@ .Nm blackhole .Nd a .Xr sysctl 8 -MIB for manipulating behaviour in respect of refused TCP or UDP connection +MIB for manipulating behavior in respect of refused TCP or UDP connection attempts .Sh SYNOPSIS -.Cd sysctl net.inet.tcp.blackhole -.Cd sysctl net.inet.udp.blackhole -.Pp -.Cd sysctl -w net.inet.tcp.blackhole=[0 | 1 | 2] -.Cd sysctl -w net.inet.udp.blackhole=[0 | 1] +.Cd sysctl net.inet.tcp.blackhole=[0 | 1 | 2] +.Cd sysctl net.inet.udp.blackhole=[0 | 1] .Sh DESCRIPTION The .Nm .Xr sysctl 8 -MIB is used to control system behaviour when connection requests +MIB is used to control system behavior when connection requests are received on TCP or UDP ports where there is no socket listening. .Pp -Normal behaviour, when a TCP SYN segment is received on a port where +Normal behavior, when a TCP SYN segment is received on a port where there is no socket accepting connections, is for the system to return a RST segment, and drop the connection. The connecting system will -see this as a "Connection reset by peer". By turning the TCP black -hole MIB on to a numeric value of one, the incoming SYN segment +see this as a "Connection reset by peer". By setting the TCP blackhole +MIB to a numeric value of one, the incoming SYN segment is merely dropped, and no RST is sent, making the system appear as a blackhole. By setting the MIB value to two, any segment arriving on a closed port is dropped without returning a RST. This provides some degree of protection against stealth port scans. .Pp -In the UDP instance, enabling blackhole behaviour turns off the sending +In the UDP instance, enabling blackhole behavior turns off the sending of an ICMP port unreachable message in response to a UDP datagram which arrives on a port where there is no socket listening. It must be noted -that this behaviour will prevent remote systems from running +that this behavior will prevent remote systems from running .Xr traceroute 8 -to your system. +to a system. .Pp -The blackhole behaviour is useful to slow down anyone who is port scanning -your system, in order to try and detect vulnerable services on your system. +The blackhole behavior is useful to slow down anyone who is port scanning +a system, attempting to detect vulnerable services on a system. It could potentially also slow down someone who is attempting a denial -of service against your system. +of service attack. .Sh WARNING The TCP and UDP blackhole features should not be regarded as a replacement for .Xr ipfw 8 -as a tool for firewalling your system. In order to create a highly -secure system, you should use +as a tool for firewalling a system. In order to create a highly +secure system, .Xr ipfw 8 -to protect your system, and not the blackhole feature. +should be used for protection, not the blackhole feature. .Pp -This mechanism is not a substitute for securing your system, -but should be used together with other security mechanisms. +This mechanism is not a substitute for securing a system. +It should be used together with other security mechanisms. .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr ip 4 , .Xr tcp 4 , >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 15: 7:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from silby.com (cb34181-a.mdsn1.wi.home.com [24.14.173.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8934137B417 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 87276 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Sep 2001 22:07:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Sep 2001 22:07:21 -0000 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 17:07:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Silbersack To: Cc: Subject: Re: Updating kernel build instructions In-Reply-To: <3BAE5814.FA97DA43@owt.com> Message-ID: <20010923170137.Y82018-100000@achilles.silby.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 23 Sep 2001, Kent Stewart wrote: > Actually, once you have done a buildworld thru installworld, you can > use the old way. It still applies if you haven't done a cvsup. What > you missed reading was I'm sure there are many ways that it could be done. To avoid confusion, the documentation should be recommending only the simplest way. I think that 9.3's statement "If you have installed only the kernel source code, use procedure 1." has been false for > 6 months, according to commit logs. I'm attempting to build a kernel w/o a preexisting /usr/obj right now to double check. I'll post diffs to the page once I've figured out how to word it best. Mike "Silby" Silbersack To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 15:10: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C0E37B42C for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8NMA0Y21081; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:10:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B183B37B435 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a017.otenet.gr [212.205.215.17]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f8NM1gF12754 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 01:01:42 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8NIviJ03285; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:57:44 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from charon) Message-Id: <200109231857.f8NIviJ03285@hades.hell.gr> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:57:44 +0300 (EEST) From: Giorgos Keramidas Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/30773: add tag to the first occurence of STABLE (like CURRENT and RELEASE) in articles/explaining-bsd Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 30773 >Category: docs >Synopsis: add tag to the first occurence of STABLE (like CURRENT and RELEASE) in articles/explaining-bsd >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Sep 23 15:10:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Giorgos Keramidas >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD hades.hell.gr 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #5: Tue Sep 4 19:49:44 EEST 2001 root@hades.hell.gr:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CHARON i386 >Description: The first occurence of CURRENT and RELEASE is tagged with in articles/explaining-bsd. The attached patch adds similar tags to the first occurence of STABLE. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- patch-aa begins here --- Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 article.sgml --- article.sgml 17 Jul 2001 22:20:42 -0000 1.3 +++ article.sgml 23 Sep 2001 18:55:43 -0000 @@ -362,7 +362,7 @@ As bugs are found in a RELEASE version, they are fixed, and the fixes are added to the CVS tree. In FreeBSD, the resultant - version is called the STABLE version, while in NetBSD and OpenBSD + version is called the STABLE version, while in NetBSD and OpenBSD it continues to be called the RELEASE version. Smaller new features can also be added to this branch after a period of test in the CURRENT branch. --- patch-aa ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 15:10:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EB837B435 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8NMA1121090; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E77937B438 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a017.otenet.gr [212.205.215.17]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f8NM1jF12788 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 01:01:45 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8NIFu202724; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:15:56 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from charon) Message-Id: <200109231815.f8NIFu202724@hades.hell.gr> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:15:56 +0300 (EEST) From: Giorgos Keramidas Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/30774: make a sentence out of an unfinished one in articles/explaining-freebsd Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 30774 >Category: docs >Synopsis: make a sentence out of an unfinished one in articles/explaining-bsd >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Sep 23 15:10:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Giorgos Keramidas >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD hades.hell.gr 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #5: Tue Sep 4 19:49:44 EEST 2001 root@hades.hell.gr:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CHARON i386 >Description: There's a dangling Core team before the beginning of a sentence in articles/explaining-bsd. The next sentence starts immediately, despite the fact that there is not a complete sentence, or fullstop for that matter before it :) >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- patch-aa begins here --- Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 article.sgml --- article.sgml 17 Jul 2001 22:20:42 -0000 1.3 +++ article.sgml 23 Sep 2001 18:11:44 -0000 @@ -283,7 +283,7 @@ - Core team In addition, FreeBSD + The Core team. In addition, FreeBSD and NetBSD each have a core team which manages the project. The core teams developed in the course of the projects, and their role is not always well-defined. It is not necessary to be a developer --- patch-aa ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 18:17:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E43237B42C; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8O18CF53099; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:08:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200109240108.f8O18CF53099@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dan@freebsddiary.org, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30703: add the NZ cvsup server to the list of mirrors Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: add the NZ cvsup server to the list of mirrors State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Sun Sep 23 18:07:32 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! You forgot to close the tag but thats been fixed. See you at BSDCon. ;) http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30703 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 18:17:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4533F37B429; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8O1C8F53419; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:12:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:12:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200109240112.f8O1C8F53419@freefall.freebsd.org> To: charon@labs.gr, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30757: remove a smilie that makes formatting look funny in freebsd-questions article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: remove a smilie that makes formatting look funny in freebsd-questions article State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Sun Sep 23 18:11:51 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Your change has been committed, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30757 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 18:47:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE20637B403; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8O1ftm55802; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:41:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:41:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200109240141.f8O1ftm55802@freefall.freebsd.org> To: charon@labs.gr, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30657: markup sh, csh and tcsh in tags, add and , in new-users article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: markup sh, csh and tcsh in tags, add and , in new-users article State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Sun Sep 23 18:40:17 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed. I used some man page entities for the first occurence of each major command, since this also provides a hyperlink to more information for HTML formats. I also changed some of the tags to or . The bulk of the commit was your patch though. Thanks. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30657 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 18:50: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A2C37B427 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8O1o1C56312; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109240150.f8O1o1C56312@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Piet Delport Subject: Re: docs/30772: blackhole(4) manpage updates Reply-To: Piet Delport Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/30772; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Piet Delport To: Peter Avalos Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30772: blackhole(4) manpage updates Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 03:47:35 +0200 --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 at 21:46:30 +0000, Peter Avalos wrote: > >Fix: > behaviour -> behavior In light of this, i'm curious: Is there any official position on which of American or British spelling FreeBSD documentation should use? --=20 Piet Delport Today's subliminal thought is: --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE7rpC2zRUP82sZFCcRAqRpAJ9cYj/5wxuv1f6lGxa0RTK/7QcG0QCcCBoC IEmt9AkDbasiV5GNce+OSsw= =glnE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 18:50: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0359A37B42A for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8O1o2w56321; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109240150.f8O1o2w56321@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Salvo Bartolotta Subject: Re: docs/30749: Typo in the handbook's section 14.3 Reply-To: Salvo Bartolotta Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/30749; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Salvo Bartolotta To: Shill Cc: Rahul Siddharthan , freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/30749: Typo in the handbook's section 14.3 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 03:48:05 +0200 (CEST) Scrive Shill : > Salvo Bartolotta wrote: > > > > > Shill said on Sep 22, 2001 at 16:08:33: > > > > > > > > In the handbook's section 14.3: > > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/x13973.html > > > > > > > > "After adding the driver(s) you need to your kernel configuration > file" > > > > -> delete "you need" (?) > > > > > What's wrong with it as it stands? (I'm not sure whether, strictly > > > speaking, a "which" is required before "you need" but it's common > > > usage as it is.) > > > > AFAIK, you are correct. > > > > "the driver(s) you need" contains an identifying (also: defining, > restrictive) > > relative clause; that is, you speak of **certain** drivers (the > driver(s) you > > need). **Object** relative pronouns are often omitted in an informal > style. > > > > > > The whole sentence, "[adding [the driver you need] [to you kernel > > configuration file]]", **might** sound ambiguous, ie might also be > interpreted > > as "[adding the driver [you need to your kernel configuration > file]]"; > > however, considering the syntactic features of the constituents, viz > the > > constructions the verb "(to) need" can be used in, I can see no > syntactic or > > semantic ambiguity. I would say the sentence sounds good. :-) > > > > Just my 0.02 Euro > > > > -- Salvo > > Oooooooh, now I understand. You see, what confused me was > the "you need/you will need" occurence. I immediately > thought: "copy/paste mistake" and convinced myself the > sentence was ungrammatical. > > "After adding the driver(s) you need to your kernel > configuration file, you will need to recompile your kernel." > > Sorry for the false negative :) Yep, "need" is used in two different transitive constructions, the sentence being correct. However, to avoid repetition one might try: -- [...] you must recompile [...] -- [...] you [will] have to recompile [...] -- [...] it is time to recompile [...] -- [...] you are ready to [...]/you are ready for recompilation... -- [...] you recompile [...] # "timeless" simple present -- [...] just/please recompile [...] -- [...] you will/would be so kind as to recompile [...] -- [...] go recompile your kernel!! [After recompiling] As you were! -- [...] thou shalt recompile thy kernel. Since it is a matter of taste, I am afraid we have no decision power... :-) -- Salvo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 18:57:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5788C37B429; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8O1owg56464; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:50:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:50:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200109240150.f8O1owg56464@freefall.freebsd.org> To: gene@nttmcl.com, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30675: `noatime' should be discouraged on /var as well Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: `noatime' should be discouraged on /var as well State-Changed-From-To: open->feedback State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Sun Sep 23 18:50:32 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Awaiting updated text from the originator. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30675 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 19: 0: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F43237B415 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 19:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8O202M57176; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 19:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 19:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109240200.f8O202M57176@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: murray@stokely.org Subject: Re: docs/30675: `noatime' should be discouraged on /var as well Reply-To: murray@stokely.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/30675; it has been noted by GNATS. From: murray@stokely.org To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, gene@nttmcl.com Cc: Subject: Re: docs/30675: `noatime' should be discouraged on /var as well Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:50:24 -0700 .. So, can someone provide an example sentence or two that they would like to add to tuning(7)? A diff would be even better. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 19: 7:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DE837B42A; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 19:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8O1wCS56995; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:58:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:58:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200109240158.f8O1wCS56995@freefall.freebsd.org> To: charon@labs.gr, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30773: add tag to the first occurence of STABLE (like CURRENT and RELEASE) in articles/explaining-bsd Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: add tag to the first occurence of STABLE (like CURRENT and RELEASE) in articles/explaining-bsd State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Sun Sep 23 18:56:42 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: I changed all three tags to . This seems more correct to me, and in the future we can link these terms to a glossary or use CSS to provide a popup with a definition of the term (for example). Thanks for pointing this out. You're doing a great job with all these PRs, keep them coming! ;) http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30773 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 19:23:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF9837B43C for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 19:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-b038.otenet.gr [195.167.121.166]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f8O2NVF18739; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 05:23:31 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8O2NVC02395; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 05:23:31 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from charon@labs.gr) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 05:23:30 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: murray@stokely.org Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/30675: `noatime' should be discouraged on /var as well Message-ID: <20010924052330.F1510@hades.hell.gr> References: <200109240200.f8O202M57176@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200109240200.f8O202M57176@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-GPG-Fingerprint: C1EB 0653 DB8B A557 3829 00F9 D60F 941A 3186 03B6 X-URL: http://labs.gr/~charon/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org murray@stokely.org wrote: > > Subject: Re: docs/30675: `noatime' should be discouraged on /var as well > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:50:24 -0700 > > .. So, can someone provide an example sentence or two that they would > like to add to tuning(7)? A diff would be even better. Something like the following patch maybe? -giorgos --- patch-tuning begins here --- Index: tuning.7 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/man/man7/tuning.7,v retrieving revision 1.16 diff -u -r1.16 tuning.7 --- tuning.7 17 Sep 2001 03:49:51 -0000 1.16 +++ tuning.7 24 Sep 2001 02:21:25 -0000 @@ -211,8 +211,11 @@ creating a burden on the system. For example, if you are running a heavily loaded web site, or a news server with lots of readers, you might want to consider turning off atime updates on your larger partitions with this -mount option. Do not gratuitously turn off atime updates everywhere.. for -example, you might as well leave them turned on for mostly read-only +mount option. Do not gratuitously turn off atime updates everywhere.. +You should definitely avoid turning atime updates off for your /var +filesystem, since /var customarily holds mailboxes, and atime (in combination +with mtime) is used to determine whether a mailbox has new mail. +You might as well leave them turned on for mostly read-only partitions such as / and /usr (especially for / since some system utilities use the atime field for reporting). .Sh STRIPING DISKS --- patch-tuning ends here --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 19:47:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8057A37B42C; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 19:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8O2cRu63198; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 19:38:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 19:38:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200109240238.f8O2cRu63198@freefall.freebsd.org> To: charon@labs.gr, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30774: make a sentence out of an unfinished one in articles/explaining-bsd Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: make a sentence out of an unfinished one in articles/explaining-bsd State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Sun Sep 23 19:38:11 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed with slight modifications, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30774 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 19:57:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B54437B405; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 19:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8O2qcX64146; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 19:52:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 19:52:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200109240252.f8O2qcX64146@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dan@obluda.cz, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30626: Typo in errno(2) manual Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Typo in errno(2) manual State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Sun Sep 23 19:51:58 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Your changes, and the additional feedback from Gary have been committed. Thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30626 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 20:17:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AC837B416; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8O3AKM68454; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:10:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:10:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200109240310.f8O3AKM68454@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jhanna@home.com, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, bp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/30697: mb_fixhdr correction for mbchain.9 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: mb_fixhdr correction for mbchain.9 State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Sun Sep 23 20:09:45 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: This fix looks correct to me, but I'd prefer if Boris gave it the ok before it gets committed. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->bp Responsible-Changed-By: murray Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Sep 23 20:09:45 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: bp wrote the code in question. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30697 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 20:24: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe18.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101FB37B427 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:23:53 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [63.100.88.16] From: "Gerardo Enrique Paredes" To: Subject: suscribe Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:42:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C14478.990265C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2001 03:23:53.0885 (UTC) FILETIME=[5675F4D0:01C144A8] Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C14478.990265C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C14478.990265C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C14478.990265C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Sep 23 22:43:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.butya.kz (butya-gw.butya.kz [212.154.129.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7005F37B405; Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by relay.butya.kz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1A54E28BC0; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:43:26 +0700 (ALMST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.butya.kz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0F228BBF; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:43:26 +0700 (ALMST) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:43:25 +0700 (ALMST) From: Boris Popov X-Sender: bp@lion.butya.kz To: murray@FreeBSD.org Cc: jhanna@home.com, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30697: mb_fixhdr correction for mbchain.9 In-Reply-To: <200109240310.f8O3AKM68454@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 murray@FreeBSD.org wrote: > Synopsis: mb_fixhdr correction for mbchain.9 > > State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed > State-Changed-By: murray > State-Changed-When: Sun Sep 23 20:09:45 PDT 2001 > State-Changed-Why: > This fix looks correct to me, but I'd prefer if Boris gave it the ok > before it gets committed. Yes, patch is correct. Please commit it if it is possible. -- Boris Popov http://rbp.euro.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 0: 7:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E443637B40D; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8O71tu99745; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:01:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:01:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200109240701.f8O71tu99745@freefall.freebsd.org> To: shill@free.fr, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30749: Typo in the handbook's section 14.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Typo in the handbook's section 14.3 State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Mon Sep 24 00:00:37 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: And the winning sentence was.. "After adding the requisite driver(s) to your kernel configuration file, you will need to recompile your kernel." Thanks for the submission. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30749 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 0: 7:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dual.ms.mff.cuni.cz (www.freebsd.cz [195.113.19.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD51D37B410 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (horcicka@localhost) by dual.ms.mff.cuni.cz (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8O76ug34236; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:07:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from horcicka@FreeBSD.cz) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:06:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Horcicka X-X-Sender: To: Mike Silbersack Cc: , Subject: Re: Updating kernel build instructions In-Reply-To: <20010923170137.Y82018-100000@achilles.silby.com> Message-ID: <20010924085945.L33948-100000@dual.ms.mff.cuni.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Silbersack (2001-09-23 17:07 -0500): > I think that 9.3's statement "If you have installed only the kernel source > code, use procedure 1." has been false for > 6 months, according to commit > logs. I'm attempting to build a kernel w/o a preexisting /usr/obj right > now to double check. The statement is true: vrak:/usr/src>uname -v FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE #0: Fri Sep 21 16:59:18 CEST 2001 root@vrak.hide.vol.cz:/usr/src/sys/compile/VRAK vrak:/usr/src>ls -la total 3 drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Sep 21 16:15 . drwxr-xr-x 17 root wheel 512 Sep 21 17:14 .. drwxr-xr-x 47 root wheel 1024 Sep 21 16:15 sys vrak:/usr/src>make buildkernel KERNCONF=VRAK make: don't know how to make buildkernel. Stop vrak:/usr/src>ls -la sys/i386/conf/ total 110 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Sep 21 16:47 . drwxr-xr-x 11 root wheel 512 Sep 21 16:15 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 8743 Aug 12 15:13 GENERIC -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 92243 Aug 30 14:29 LINT -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 8034 Sep 21 16:50 VRAK Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 0:47:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B5D37B40F; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8O7bE606833; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:37:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:37:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200109240737.f8O7bE606833@freefall.freebsd.org> To: gene@nttmcl.com, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30675: `noatime' should be discouraged on /var as well Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: `noatime' should be discouraged on /var as well State-Changed-From-To: feedback->closed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Mon Sep 24 00:36:41 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Thanks, Giorgos' patch was applied with minor modifications. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30675 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 2:25: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsfep12-int.chello.nl (amsfep12-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B00937B40F for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 02:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsfep12-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20010924092219.JMGO7460.amsfep12-int.chello.nl@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:22:19 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8O9L6E35481; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:21:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:21:05 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: a a Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: hebrew translation to free bsd Message-ID: <20010924112105.P4995@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20010919211804.29586.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010919211804.29586.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20010919 23:30], a a (hatkyinc@yahoo.com) wrote: >is there one? can I create and/or help ? For all I know, there is none. It is easy to start though. Take a look nl_NL.ISO8859-1, de_DE.ISO8859-1, it_IT.ISO8859-1 andso on. For Hebrew a good one might also be the ja_JP stuff, since your character set is way different. Read through the Documentation Project Primer first. More questions, let us know. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ When you are right, you cannot be too radical; When you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 4:20:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE7637B435 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 04:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8OBK0Z50716; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 04:20:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F8237B415 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 04:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a200.otenet.gr [212.205.215.200]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f8OBGkQ11267 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:16:46 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8OBFrU08223; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:15:53 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from charon) Message-Id: <200109241115.f8OBFrU08223@hades.hell.gr> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:15:53 +0300 (EEST) From: Giorgos Keramidas Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/30785: replace inline text capitalization with proper use of tags in articles/dialup-firewall Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 30785 >Category: docs >Synopsis: replace inline text capitalization with proper use of tags in articles/dialup-firewall >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Sep 24 04:20:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Giorgos Keramidas >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD hades.hell.gr 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #5: Tue Sep 4 19:49:44 EEST 2001 root@hades.hell.gr:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CHARON i386 >Description: In a few places, the dialup-firewall article uses capitalization of words like ``NOT'' to indicate emphasis. The attached patch lowercases these and wraps them in tags. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- patch-aa begins here --- Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/dialup-firewall/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.15 diff -u -r1.15 article.sgml --- article.sgml 2 Sep 2001 10:37:26 -0000 1.15 +++ article.sgml 24 Sep 2001 11:11:55 -0000 @@ -94,7 +94,7 @@ - There are some other OPTIONAL items that you can compile + There are some other optional items that you can compile into the kernel for some added security. These are not required in order to get firewalling to work, but some more paranoid users may want to use them. @@ -107,7 +107,7 @@ This option ignores TCP packets with SYN and FIN. This prevents tools such as nmap etc from identifying the TCP/IP stack of the machine, but breaks support for RFC1644 - extensions. This is NOT recommended if the machine will be + extensions. This is not recommended if the machine will be running a web server. @@ -299,7 +299,7 @@ anything being diverted through the tun0 device. As far as it's concerned incoming packets will speak only to the - dynamically assigned IP address and NOT to the internal + dynamically assigned IP address and not to the internal network. Note though that you can add a rule like $fwcmd add deny all from 192.168.0.4:255.255.0.0 to any via tun0 which would limit a host on your --- patch-aa ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 4:24: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BF837B410 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 04:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 8D6494B667; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 04:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 04:23:45 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: BelletJr@aol.com Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Error in section 14.2.1 of the handbook (soundcard) Message-ID: <20010924042345.B7903@windriver.com> References: <82.107b8357.28df123f@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <82.107b8357.28df123f@aol.com>; from BelletJr@aol.com on Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 06:23:59AM -0400 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks, I've made this change in rev 1.22 of the SGML source. - Murray On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 06:23:59AM -0400, BelletJr@aol.com wrote: > Hi! > > In this section, it is written: > device sbc0 at isa? port0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 > > but it should read: > device sbc0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 > --- > > Regards, Jerome > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 4:37:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4A037B413; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 04:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8OBSXb51882; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 04:28:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 04:28:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200109241128.f8OBSXb51882@freefall.freebsd.org> To: charon@labs.gr, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30785: replace inline text capitalization with proper use of tags in articles/dialup-firewall Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: replace inline text capitalization with proper use of tags in articles/dialup-firewall State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Mon Sep 24 04:28:25 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30785 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 10: 0:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0443637B420 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8OH02b32516; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109241700.f8OH02b32516@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: docs/30773: add tag to the first occurence of STABLE (like CURRENT and RELEASE) in articles/explaining-bsd Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/30773; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Giorgos Keramidas To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: docs/30773: add tag to the first occurence of STABLE (like CURRENT and RELEASE) in articles/explaining-bsd Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:57:44 +0300 (EEST) >Number: 30773 >Category: docs >Synopsis: add tag to the first occurence of STABLE (like CURRENT and RELEASE) in articles/explaining-bsd >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Sep 23 15:10:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Giorgos Keramidas >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD hades.hell.gr 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #5: Tue Sep 4 19:49:44 EEST 2001 root@hades.hell.gr:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CHARON i386 >Description: The first occurence of CURRENT and RELEASE is tagged with in articles/explaining-bsd. The attached patch adds similar tags to the first occurence of STABLE. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- patch-aa begins here --- Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/explaining-bsd/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 article.sgml --- article.sgml 17 Jul 2001 22:20:42 -0000 1.3 +++ article.sgml 23 Sep 2001 18:55:43 -0000 @@ -362,7 +362,7 @@ As bugs are found in a RELEASE version, they are fixed, and the fixes are added to the CVS tree. In FreeBSD, the resultant - version is called the STABLE version, while in NetBSD and OpenBSD + version is called the STABLE version, while in NetBSD and OpenBSD it continues to be called the RELEASE version. Smaller new features can also be added to this branch after a period of test in the CURRENT branch. --- patch-aa ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 10:35:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from silby.com (cb34181-a.mdsn1.wi.home.com [24.14.173.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E47C37B40E for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27125 invoked by uid 1000); 24 Sep 2001 17:35:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Sep 2001 17:35:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:35:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Silbersack To: Martin Horcicka Cc: , Subject: Re: Updating kernel build instructions In-Reply-To: <20010924085945.L33948-100000@dual.ms.mff.cuni.cz> Message-ID: <20010924123449.D25772-100000@achilles.silby.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Martin Horcicka wrote: > Mike Silbersack (2001-09-23 17:07 -0500): > > > I think that 9.3's statement "If you have installed only the kernel source > > code, use procedure 1." has been false for > 6 months, according to commit > > logs. I'm attempting to build a kernel w/o a preexisting /usr/obj right > > now to double check. > > vrak:/usr/src>make buildkernel KERNCONF=VRAK > make: don't know how to make buildkernel. Stop Hm, adding the makefile should've been enough, but there appear to be problems preventing that from doing the trick. I'm working on it, this looks like it should be simple to get going. Mike "Silby" Silbersack To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 11: 0:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E55437B403 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8OI0Bg84290 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:00:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109241800.f8OI0Bg84290@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2001/05/23] docs/27605 doc Cross-document references () 2 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a [2000/06/05] docs/19010 doc Bad144 obsoletion by 4.0 is undocumented; f [2000/07/17] docs/19981 doc Indonesian translations o [2000/08/10] docs/20528 doc sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix. o [2000/08/20] docs/20738 doc correction and modification to clocks(7) s [2000/11/01] docs/22470 doc man 3 msgrcv's BUGS section needs updatin s [2000/12/11] docs/23488 doc A manpage for section 7 regarding a Toron f [2001/01/26] docs/24662 doc too many questions about source managemen o [2001/02/01] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) a [2001/02/20] docs/25239 doc fdp-primer/tools/chapter.sgml says about s [2001/02/26] docs/25392 doc Chapter 9 pages could use 'location of fu f [2001/03/22] docs/26003 doc getgroups(2) lists NGROUPS_MAX but not sy a [2001/03/22] docs/26006 doc Changing zone(9) man page o [2001/04/02] docs/26286 doc *printf(3) etc should gain format string o [2001/04/08] docs/26451 doc ctype.h defined functions are not accurat o [2001/04/25] docs/26861 doc accept(2) manpage documents non-existant o [2001/05/25] docs/27653 doc Updates to send-pr.html to support MIME o [2001/05/26] docs/27654 doc Update to PR 27653 o [2001/06/02] docs/27833 doc No man page for locate.rc o [2001/06/06] docs/27915 doc man 5 passwd does not properly explain th s [2001/06/14] docs/28144 doc no manpage for host.conf, no xrefs in oth o [2001/06/20] docs/28306 doc docbook.css and OBJDIR o [2001/06/30] docs/28555 doc [PATCH] style(9) isn't explicit about boo o [2001/07/04] docs/28699 doc strptime(3) %d format specifier not compl o [2001/07/22] docs/29143 doc List of man pages that need to be written o [2001/07/26] docs/29245 doc top(1) manpage doesn't understand SMP f [2001/08/07] docs/29525 doc hier(7) has sometimes-erroneous descripti o [2001/08/09] docs/29571 doc [PATCH] No man page for pgrp kernel funct a [2001/08/23] docs/30008 doc This document should be translated, comme o [2001/09/05] docs/30343 doc minor changes to ata(4) manpage o [2001/09/06] docs/30408 doc loader man page is out-of-date o [2001/09/08] docs/30442 doc remove broken referemce to gettime(9) fro o [2001/09/08] docs/30443 doc remove broken reference to kerberos(1) fr o [2001/09/08] docs/30444 doc remove broken references to gated(8) and o [2001/09/08] docs/30445 doc remove reference to nonexistent crd(4) fr o [2001/09/08] docs/30446 doc remove broken references to pvcsif(8) and o [2001/09/08] docs/30447 doc remove broken cxconfig(8) reference from o [2001/09/13] docs/30556 doc vnconfig man page incorrect; functionalit o [2001/09/15] docs/30603 doc physio(9) is internally inconsistent o [2001/09/16] docs/30618 doc ediff man page incomplete o [2001/09/22] docs/30731 doc printf(1) refers to ANSI C Standard draft o [2001/09/23] docs/30772 doc blackhole(4) manpage updates 41 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 12:20: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E5837B41F for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8OJK1f47018; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from moi.tla.org (64-152-8-49-rev-l3.inyc.com [64.152.8.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBEC37B414 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by moi.tla.org (Postfix, from userid 1761) id 567937C2F; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <20010924191903.567937C2F@moi.tla.org> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:19:03 -0400 (EDT) From: John "Heldenprogrammer" Ioannidis Reply-To: John "Heldenprogrammer" Ioannidis To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/30797: YP documentation should not be in section 4 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 30797 >Category: docs >Synopsis: YP documentation should not be in section 4 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Sep 24 12:20:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: John "Heldenprogrammer" Ioannidis >Release: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE i386 >Organization: AT&T Labs - Research >Environment: System: FreeBSD moi.tla.org 4.4-STABLE FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE #0: Mon Sep 17 22:29:36 EDT 2001 ji@eml.research.att.com:/usr/cvsrc/src/sys/compile/EMLGENERIC i386 >Description: The YP man page should not be section 4; it's not a device driver or kernel subsystem; it should either be in section 5 or section 7. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 13:47:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from netau1.alcanet.com.au (ntp.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085CB37B410; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au (mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au [139.188.23.1]) by netau1.alcanet.com.au (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA22986; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 06:47:28 +1000 (EST) Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #37645) with ESMTP id <01K8QTKR4KDC22XNXK@cim.alcatel.com.au>; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 06:47:23 +1000 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f8OKlPp61118; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 06:47:25 +1000 (EST envelope-from jeremyp) Content-return: prohibited Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 06:47:24 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Handbook installation chapter for Alpha architecture In-reply-to: <20010912085018.X48793@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au>; from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au on Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 08:50:18AM +1000 To: "Bruce A. Mah" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: "Bruce A. Mah" , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <20010925064724.S75481@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <200109102338.f8ANcUG66810@nimitz.packetdesign.com> <20010912085018.X48793@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2001-Sep-12 08:50:18 +1000, I wrote: >Unlike the i386, Alpha boot flags must be specified via the SRM - eg it >isn't possible[1] to boot single user by issuing 'boot -s' to the >FreeBSD boot-loader, you have to use 'boot -fl s' at the SRM. I did some more investigating and can't now reproduce the above behaviour. Entering either "boot -s" to the FreeBSD loader or "boot -fl s" to the SRM do the same thing. I haven't touched my SRM and that part of elf_exec() hasn't functionally changed for more than 2 years so I have no idea how I came to the above conclusion. My apologies for circulating mis-information. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 13:57:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CECD937B426 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freno.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@freno.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.167]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08743; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:54:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by freno.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12585; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:54:08 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:54:08 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Jun Kuriyama Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Branching www/ for XML development Message-ID: <20010924225408.A12523@freno.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <20010921001517.N1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010922113521.W1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <7meloze4pa.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <7meloze4pa.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp>; from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp on Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 10:27:13PM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2001-09-22 22:27:13 +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > At Sat, 22 Sep 2001 10:52:22 +0000 (UTC), > nik wrote: > > E.g., www/en_US.ISO8859-1/. When we're finished, change the top level > > Makefile to use the new directories instead. > > It is difficult for me to agree with you. > > As you know :-), I don't like long directory name such as > en_US.ISO8859-1. > > I don't have any plan to use multiple encoding in localized contents. > And we don't have *_JP language other than Japanese (ja_JP). So from > my *selfish* point of view, "ja_JP.eucJP" is too long. > > Yes, I know some languages require additional country identifier to > know correct language syntax. > > I wish to keep current short directory name in www tree. Agreed. Directory names should be short and meaningful. I'm pretty sure that we will never have an en_au.ISO8859-2 directory (australian english for czech users ;-) -Wolfram -- Wolfram Schneider http://wolfram.schneider.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 15:17:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from postfix2-1.free.fr (postfix2-1.free.fr [213.228.0.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8B837B416; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (dijon-36-76.dial.proxad.net [212.27.36.76]) by postfix2-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B06E8173; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:17:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from stephane@localhost) by sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (8.11.6/8.11.1) id f8OLorv16577; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:50:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stephane) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:50:52 +0200 From: Stephane Legrand To: doc@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Branching www/ for XML development Message-ID: <20010924235051.D448@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> Reply-To: Stephane.Legrand@bigfoot.com References: <20010921001517.N1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010921001517.N1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 12:15:17AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 12:15:17AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm thinking about branching www/ to do some XML development work. > > Lately I've been looking at XML and XSLT as an alternative to the > existing approach we use of turning HTML files with additional SGML > content in to the standard HTML files we serve on the web. We do this > using tools like sgmlnorm, and some Perl scripts here and there. > ... Hello, Would this new approach with XML/XSLT imply major syntax modifications in every www files ? As i'm participating in the french translation of these files, i'm a bit frightened by a such perspective because it would be necessary to modify every existing translation. Stephane Legrand. -- Je recherche un emploi dans le domaine de l'informatique : PHP, Perl, SQL, FreeBSD, Linux, Internet... C.V. : http://stephleg.free.fr/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 15:17:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from postfix2-1.free.fr (postfix2-1.free.fr [213.228.0.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9EE37B414; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (dijon-36-76.dial.proxad.net [212.27.36.76]) by postfix2-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D911C6; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:17:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from stephane@localhost) by sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (8.11.6/8.11.1) id f8OM7nw16623; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:07:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stephane) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:07:49 +0200 From: Stephane Legrand To: doc@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: About the new HTML files in www/en/releases/4.4R/ Message-ID: <20010925000748.E448@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> Reply-To: Stephane.Legrand@bigfoot.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Some remarks about these new files : - the version numbers are different from the usual ones. For instance, in errata.html, it is : "$FreeBSD: src/release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/errata/article.sgml,v 1.1.2.27 2001/09/23 22:57:48 bmah Exp $" instead of something like "$FreeBSD: www/en/releases/4.4R/errata.html,v 1.2 2001/09/23 22:57:48 bmah Exp $" Why ?? - the fact that the HTML files are no more generated makes difficult any design changes. For instance, i can't add a navigation bar in these pages without directly modifying the files. With SGML, the &header; entity allows this without any change in the original file. Any chance to revert to SGML format ? Stephane Legrand. -- Je recherche un emploi dans le domaine de l'informatique : PHP, Perl, SQL, FreeBSD, Linux, Internet... C.V. : http://stephleg.free.fr/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 15:33:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from c527597-a.cstvl1.sfba.home.com (c527597-a.cstvl1.sfba.home.com [24.176.204.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1964137B429; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by c527597-a.cstvl1.sfba.home.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8OMXC093762; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:33:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200109242233.f8OMXC093762@c527597-a.cstvl1.sfba.home.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Stephane.Legrand@bigfoot.com Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: About the new HTML files in www/en/releases/4.4R/ In-Reply-To: <20010925000748.E448@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> References: <20010925000748.E448@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> Comments: In-reply-to Stephane Legrand message dated "Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:07:49 +0200." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1637110816P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:33:12 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1637110816P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Stephane Legrand wrote: > Some remarks about these new files : > > - the version numbers are different from the usual ones. > For instance, in errata.html, it is : > > "$FreeBSD: src/release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/errata/article.sgml,v 1.1.2.27 > 2001/09/23 22:57:48 bmah Exp $" > > instead of something like > > "$FreeBSD: www/en/releases/4.4R/errata.html,v 1.2 > 2001/09/23 22:57:48 bmah Exp $" > > Why ?? I turned off keyword substitution for these files in CVS. The html files in www/en/ releases/4.4R/ were generated from SGML files, and I thought it best to leave the ID strings intact so that people can see where the content came from (and what revision). Otherwise this information gets spammed with the date the generated HTML file was updated in the repository. Although the dates will bear a strong resemblance, the version numbers don't, and I bet I'd get a bunch of questions as to why the version numbers on the Web site don't match those in the RELNOTESng snapshots. > - the fact that the HTML files are no more generated makes difficult > any design changes. For instance, i can't add a navigation bar in > these pages without directly modifying the files. With SGML, the > &header; entity allows this without any change in the original > file. Any chance to revert to SGML format ? I found the old method (drop ASCII text in the middle of SGML) to be extremely inconvenient for updating the errata. I'm open to alternatives that don't make me do this. My goal for the release documents was to provide, verbatim, the same files that live in the distribution, in order to minimize confusion when people happen to see copies of the same document coming from multiple sources. Bruce. --==_Exmh_1637110816P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7r7Sn2MoxcVugUsMRApASAKD+Q9amcIjn2y6m6MlrwsLPk4P6KQCdEufd 2Qfzxf5bz5+fmmlxlTWtffo= =vfHE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1637110816P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 20:51:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36D4237B41D for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:51:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moo.holy.cow (sdn-ar-007dcwashP251.dialsprint.net [63.178.90.141]) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10886 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by moo.holy.cow (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C220650BAA; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:52:26 -0400 From: parv To: f-doc Subject: make failure in doc Message-ID: <20010924235226.A99346@moo.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: f-doc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org problem is make fails when i try in /source/contribute/doc (equivalent of /usr/doc) w/ this message... ===> en_US.ISO-8859-1 cd: can't cd to /source/contribute/doc/en_US.ISO-8859-1 *** Error code 2 Stop in /source/contribute/doc. ...which is understandable as there is no such directory. if i change DOC_LANG to en_US.ISO8859-1, make fails w/ the same message. the entries in /source/contribute/doc are... drwxr-xr-x 4 parv people 512 Sep 24 22:58 ./ drwxr-xr-x 6 parv people 512 Aug 12 17:34 ../ -rw------- 1 parv people 1.2k Jun 14 03:53 Makefile -rw------- 1 parv people 377 Apr 12 2000 README drwx------ 6 parv people 512 Sep 24 22:46 en_US.ISO8859-1/ drwxr-xr-x 7 parv people 512 Jul 3 16:38 share ...here is the settings file that is sourced before make... ENGLISH_ONLY=YES export ENGLISH_ONLY DOC_LANG=en_US.ISO8859-1 export DOC_LANG CVSROOT=/home/ncvs export CVSROOT NOPORTSCVS=YES export NOPORTSCVS DESTDIR=/source/contribute/public_web export DESTDIR ...after moving en_US.ISO8859-1/ to en_US.ISO-8859-1/, make fails somewhere else w/ this message... ... /usr/local/bin/jade:/source/contribute/doc/en_US.ISO-8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml:1209:8:E: general entity "a.wollman" not defined and no default entity /usr/local/bin/jade:/source/contribute/doc/en_US.ISO-8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml:1790:19:E: general entity "a.mharo" not defined and no default entity /usr/local/bin/jade:/source/contribute/doc/en_US.ISO-8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml:1790:33:E: general entity "a.will" not defined and no default entity *** Error code 1 Stop in /source/contribute/doc/en_US.ISO-8859-1/articles/committers-guide. *** Error code 1 Stop in /source/contribute/doc/en_US.ISO-8859-1/articles. *** Error code 1 ...the only workaround seems to be a need of symkink from en_US.ISO8859-1/ to en_US.ISO-8859-1 ... which seems to be silly as it should have been handled in the Makefile. i cvsup'd doc a few minutes ago; /source/cvsup/sup/refuse has... doc/de_* doc/es_* doc/fr_* doc/it_* doc/ja_* doc/ko_* doc/nl_* doc/ru_* doc/sr_* doc/vn_* doc/zh_* ...what am i missing? - parv -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Sep 24 22:30:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (unknown [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FAA37B421 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8P5U7k55745; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:30:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from msg-proxy4.mweb.co.za (msg-proxy4.mweb.co.za [196.2.46.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44AA37B419 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athalon. ([196.30.181.159]) by msg-proxy4.mweb.co.za (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GK7005GQDS7A4@msg-proxy4.mweb.co.za> for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 07:26:33 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from pjd@siberiyan.dyndns.org) by siberiyan.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8NMhNu02826; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:43:23 +0200 (SAST envelope-from pjd) Message-Id: <200109232243.f8NMhNu02826@siberiyan.dyndns.org> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:43:23 +0200 (SAST) From: Piet Delport To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/30809: fdisk(8) cleanup Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 30809 >Category: docs >Synopsis: fdisk(8) cleanup >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Sep 24 22:30:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Piet Delport >Release: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD athalon 4.4-STABLE FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE #9: Sun Sep 23 07:40:24 SAST 2001 root@athalon:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATHALON i386 >Description: Fix various minor errors in fdisk(8). >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- sbin/i386/fdisk/fdisk.8.orig Thu Aug 16 13:35:43 2001 +++ sbin/i386/fdisk/fdisk.8 Sun Sep 23 02:42:24 2001 @@ -131,10 +131,11 @@ .Ql ad0 , and .Ql da0 -are being searched in that order, until one is -being found responding. +are searched in that order, until one is found to respond. .Pp -When called with no arguments, it prints the sector 0 partition table. +When called with no arguments, +.Nm +prints the sector 0 partition table. An example follows: .Bd -literal ******* Working on device /dev/ad0 ******* @@ -180,18 +181,17 @@ .It Em "flag 80" specifies that this is the active partition. .It Em cyl , sector No and Em head -fields are used to specify the beginning address -and end address for the partition. +fields are used to specify the beginning and end addresses of the partition. .It Em Note : these numbers are calculated using BIOS's understanding of the disk geometry and saved in the bootblock. .El .Pp -The flags +The .Fl i or .Fl u -are used to indicate that the partition data is to be updated, unless the +flags are used to indicate that the partition data is to be updated, unless the .Fl f option is used. If the .Fl f @@ -203,7 +203,7 @@ selects defaults for its questions to guarantee the above behavior. .Pp It displays each partition -and ask if you want to edit it. +and asks whether you want to edit it. If you say yes, it will step through each field showing the old value and asking for a new one. @@ -227,20 +227,18 @@ .Em active partition. Finally, -when the all the data for the first sector has been accumulated, -you are asked if you really want to rewrite sector 0. -Only if you answer yes, -will the data be written to disk. +when all the data for sector 0 has been accumulated, +you are asked to confirm whether you really want to rewrite it. .Pp The difference between the .Fl u -flag and +and .Fl i -flag is that +flags is that the .Fl u -flag just edits the fields as they appear on the disk. -While the +flag just edits (updates) the fields as they appear on the disk, +while the .Fl i flag is used to "initialize" sector 0; it will setup the last BIOS partition to use the whole disk for @@ -248,9 +246,9 @@ and make it active. .Sh NOTES The automatic calculation of starting cylinder etc. uses -a set of figures that represent what the BIOS thinks is the -geometry of the drive. -These figures are by default taken from the incore disklabel, +a set of figures that represent what the BIOS thinks the +geometry of the drive is. +These figures are taken from the incore disklabel by default, but the program initially gives you an opportunity to change them. This allows the user to create a bootblock that can work with drives that use geometry translation under the BIOS. @@ -276,7 +274,7 @@ from a .Ar configfile . The syntax of this file is very simple. Each line is either a comment or -a specification, and whitespace (except for newlines) are ignored: +a specification, and whitespace (except for newlines) is not significant: .Bl -tag -width Ds .It Xo .Ic # >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 25 3:22:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D3237B406; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8PA5p831812; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:05:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 11:05:51 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Stephane Legrand Cc: doc@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Branching www/ for XML development Message-ID: <20010925110551.A31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010921001517.N1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010924235051.D448@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010924235051.D448@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo>; from Stephane.Legrand@bigfoot.com on Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 11:50:52PM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 11:50:52PM +0200, Stephane Legrand wrote: > Would this new approach with XML/XSLT imply major syntax modifications > in every www files ? As i'm participating in the french translation > of these files, i'm a bit frightened by a such perspective because > it would be necessary to modify every existing translation. Yes and no :-) There will be some translation work to be done in the new framework (however we do it) because there will be static text in the 'templates' that will need to be translated. However, the content of each page will be the same, and can pretty much be cut and pasted in to the new files. In this context, the "content" is pretty much everything between the "&header;" and "&footer;" lines. 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X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: doc@freebsd.org Reply-To: mitko@rila.bg From: "Dimitar Peikov" Subject: libg++ documentation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:19:49 +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm searching for electronic libg++ documentation. On most of Linux distributions there are info pages, are there some for FreeBSD or must use from Linux version? I'm not subscribed to this maillinst therefore please Cc: me. -- Dimitar Peikov Programmer Analyst Globalization Group "We Build e-Business" RILA Solutions 27 Building, Acad.G.Bonchev Str. 1113 Sofia, Bulgaria phone: (+359 2) 9797320 phone: (+359 2) 9797300 fax: (+359 2) 9733355 http://www.rila.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 25 6:40:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (unknown [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80BD37B434 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 06:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8PDe2Z59021; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 06:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mail.wlcg.com (mail.wlcg.com [198.92.199.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A6F37B431 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 06:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rsimmons@localhost) by mail.wlcg.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8PDZaE08845; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:35:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rsimmons) Message-Id: <200109251335.f8PDZaE08845@mail.wlcg.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:35:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Simmons Reply-To: Rob Simmons To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/30815: Couple of Native lang docs and ports not in refuse.README Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 30815 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Couple of Native lang docs and ports not in refuse.README >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Sep 25 06:40:02 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Rob Simmons >Release: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD mail 4.4-STABLE FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE #0: Wed Sep 19 20:15:26 EDT 2001 rsimmons@mail:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WASABI i386 >Description: There are a couple of native lang ports and a new set of docs that are missing from the src/share/examples/cvsup/refuse.README file. >How-To-Repeat: n/a >Fix: --- refuse.README Thu Aug 23 06:30:47 2001 +++ /tmp/refuse.README Tue Sep 25 09:33:57 2001 @@ -42,12 +42,15 @@ doc/zh doc/zh_* ports/chinese + ports/french ports/german ports/hebrew ports/japanese ports/korean ports/russian + ports/ukrainian ports/vietnamese + src/release/doc/ja_JP.eucJP Use refuse files with care. Some parts of the src distribution depend on files in completely different parts. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 25 6:59:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (unknown [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBDC37B408; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 06:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ru@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8PDvG128574; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 06:57:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 06:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200109251357.f8PDvG128574@freefall.freebsd.org> To: rsimmons@mail.wlcg.com, ru@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, ru@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/30815: Couple of Native lang docs and ports not in refuse.README Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Couple of Native lang docs and ports not in refuse.README State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ru State-Changed-When: Tue Sep 25 06:56:16 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Almost duplicate of PR docs/30687. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->ru Responsible-Changed-By: ru Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Sep 25 06:56:16 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30815 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 25 7:12:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC61437B40E for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 07:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f8PDdEn42637 ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:39:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id PAA55539 ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:39:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 15:39:14 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Dimitar Peikov Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: libg++ documentation Message-ID: <20010925153914.A55411@lpt.ens.fr> References: <200109251319.f8PDJna57430@earth.rila.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200109251319.f8PDJna57430@earth.rila.bg>; from mitko@rila.bg on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 04:19:49PM +0300 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dimitar Peikov said on Sep 25, 2001 at 16:19:49: > > Hi, > > I'm searching for electronic libg++ documentation. On most of Linux > distributions there are info pages, are there some for FreeBSD or must use > from Linux version? I believe libg++ is deprecated, unmaintained and therefore not included in the base system (linux systems no longer include it either). The info pages (not installed with the port, but should exist in the tarball, I suppose) should be correct, but it would be better to avoid using it altogether. R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 25 9:20: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (unknown [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58CD837B409 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8PGK2060169; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109251620.f8PGK2060169@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Subject: Re: docs/30809: fdisk(8) cleanup Reply-To: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/30809; it has been noted by GNATS. From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) To: Piet Delport Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/30809: fdisk(8) cleanup Date: 25 Sep 2001 08:45:19 -0700 > .Pp > -When called with no arguments, it prints the sector 0 partition table. > +When called with no arguments, ^^^^^^^^^ Should be "options". (The only argument is "disk".) > -The flags > +The > .Fl i > or ^^ Should be "and"; "or" sounds like the writer doesn't know which flag. > The syntax of this file is very simple. Each line is either a comment or > -a specification, and whitespace (except for newlines) are ignored: > +a specification, and whitespace (except for newlines) is not significant: How about: > +a specification, as follows. Newlines are part of the presumed definition of a line and shouldn't be mentioned (or if the handling is weird, it needs much more discussion). Whitespace IS significant and is NOT ignored and explaining it carefully shouldn't be required in every man page. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 25 9:58:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A82237B445; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 09:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8PGWeu35858; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:32:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:32:40 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Branching www/ for XML development Message-ID: <20010925173240.F31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010921001517.N1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010922113521.W1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TU+u6i6jrDPzmlWF" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010922113521.W1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 11:35:21AM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --TU+u6i6jrDPzmlWF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 11:35:21AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 12:15:17AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > I'm thinking about branching www/ to do some XML development work. >=20 > Another alternative that occured to me earlier today. Don't branch, but > do the work in directories that parallel the doc/ locale directories. Which people seem to think is a terrible idea, so we'll branch. Here are some thoughts and jottings on what we can do with the next generat= ion web site. Separation of content and formatting ------------------------------------ Where possible, I'd like the content that people author to be separated from the formatting. We should provide; * A standard template for people to write new pages * Stylesheets, and classes, for specific presentation effects * No author should need to write "" in their document, or use=20 other formatting tricks like that. We either use CSS, or, if browser support is poor, we use CSS in the documents, and let the XSL styleshee= ts embed the browser specific formatting as necessary * A library of reusable content that can be dropped in to the page * Facilities to help ensure that internal links are correct Page layout ----------- We should adopt a standard layout for each page wherever possible. In some places this won't be immediately possible -- the output from some CGI scrip= ts, the results of doing DocBook -> HTML conversion, and so on. But we should = try to do so for all static and semi-static content. Definition: static content is a page that doesn't change each time it is converted to HTML. semi-static content is a page that does change when it is converted, but only because it syndicates content from other pages. It does not change as a result of a user's choice (i.e., it's not CGI). A rough layout sees the page divided in to 5 areas: +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | | | | | Header | | | | | | | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | +------------+ +------------------------------------+ +------------+ | | | | | | | | | | | Left nav | | | | Right nav | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Body | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +------------+ +------------------------------------+ +------------+ | | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | | | | | Footer | | | | | | | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Probable content Header: Static across all pages. Contains the logo, the drop down to select languages/mirrors Left nav: Provides the top level "you are here" indicator, the search box, and perhaps some key links that we want to appear on every page, irrespective of the other content of the page -- perhaps links to the FAQ and Handbook, maybe current release information, and so on. Content authors do not get to change this content. Body: The body copy of the page. Right nav: Links to information that is pertinent to the content of the body. Typically: * Links to related pages on the FreeBSD web site * Links to related pages on other web sites * Content syndicated from other portions of the site (e.g., news headlines). We should provide standard ways for authors to include this content, particularly content from other portions of the FreeBSD site. Footer: Contact details, modification time, version number, a "report a problem about this page" link, copyright notice. Can not be modified by the content authors. Page description language ------------------------- To enforce the style guidelines, don't let authors write a complete HTML page. Instead, give them a cut-down markup language suitable for what they need to do, allowing us to enforce the look and feel. My experiments so far have used the following schema: Title goes here
$FreeBSD$ Press Releases Newsletter Press articles Status reports DaemonNews =20 The title =20 Comments? We probably need some additional classes. "security-advisories", that sort of thing. Any suggestions? I also thought we might want to and align=3D"right= ", if we wanted to let authors choose which of the left/right nav bar the content goes in. But I think for consistency it might be better to just insist on sidebars only appearing on the right. Building the web site --------------------- The majority of files on the web site will be XML, marked up in the schema outlined above (or whatever schema we eventually decide on). For those fil= es, we will need a stylesheet that can convert them to XHTML. However, some of the files will need an intermediate step first. For examp= le, the current www/en/news/news.xml is a completely different schema. We will need two stylesheets; one to convert news.xml in to the schema outli= ned above, and then the 'global' stylesheet that can convert s in to HTML. This suggests to me that naming everything with .xml extension might not be the best way to do it. If everything has a .xml extension, irrespective of its schema, then we can't write Makefiles that use SUFFIX rules to=20 automatically convert documents to HTML. For example, consider the top level index file (the site's home page), which we'll call www/en/index.xml. The make(1) rule for this would be something like index.html: index.xml xsltproc stylesheet.xsl index.xml > index.html Which we could turn in to a generic XML -> HTML suffix rule easily. However, this breaks down when you need to pre-process the files through multiple stylesheets. To use the news example, where news.xml has to be pre-processed, the Makefile fragment looks something like this: # news-page.xsl is the stylesheet that converts news.xml in to the # schema. news.html: news-page.xsl news.xml xsltproc news-page.xsl news.xml | \ xsltproc stylesheet.xsl - > news.html Perhaps, instead, we should say that pages have a .page suffix, and that generic XML data has the .xml suffix. Further, we mandate that for every foo.xml there must also be a foo.xsl that can convert foo.xml in to foo.pag= e. The news example above then becomes news.html: news.page xsltproc stylesheet.xsl news.page > news.html news.page: news.xsl news.xml xsltproc news.xsl news.xml > news.page This can easily be encapsulated in make's SUFFIX rules SUFFIXES: .xml .page .html .html.page: xsltproc stylesheet.xsl ${.IMPSRC} > ${.TARGET} .page.xml: xsltproc ${.IMPSRC:R}.xsl ${.IMPSRC} > ${.TARGET} Of course, this assumes that we can go from .xml to .page in one go, without needing any more intermediate translations. I think that's probably the ca= se, but if you can think of a counter example then please say so. There will still be a few oddities. For example, news.rdf is generated from news-rdf.xsl and news.xml, but I think they'll be so rare that we can speci= al case them in the Makefiles as necessary. Dependencies are going to be another interesting challenge. The HTML output file does not (necessarily) only depend on the input .page file. For examp= le, anything that has a=20 in it has a dependency on en/news/news.xml. I think this means: (a) We will need a "make depend" step in the build process. (b) We will need to write a tool that can process a .page file, chase=20 down all its dependencies, and write that out in a format that make(= 1) can understand. Link checking ------------- For internal links, I'm thinking about introducing a new element. It would have all the same attributes and functionality as the existing element in HTML. But, if the content was local, and the had no content, the stylesheet would parse the target document to extract its titl= e. Similar to 's processing expectations for DocBook. Comments? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --TU+u6i6jrDPzmlWF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjuwsacACgkQk6gHZCw343WgtQCdFPR/NvViBx1w4f9RwAiq//1V tWkAn2122vKw6xGtDZrZHW2Rp+ioni1t =PhLt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TU+u6i6jrDPzmlWF-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 25 18:48: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B67B37B419; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2:290:27ff:fe98:c0b7]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF2324D22; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:48:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp (waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2:2d0:b7ff:fea0:d487]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9AEAD1406; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:47:59 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:47:58 +0900 Message-ID: <7m1ykud8oh.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Branching www/ for XML development In-Reply-To: <20010925173240.F31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010921001517.N1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010922113521.W1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010925173240.F31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.6.0 (Twist And Shout) SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.3 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Unebigory=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 MULE XEmacs/21.4 (patch 4) (Artificial Intelligence) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At Tue, 25 Sep 2001 16:58:17 +0000 (UTC), nik wrote: > Separation of content and formatting > ------------------------------------ > > Where possible, I'd like the content that people author to be separated from > the formatting. We should provide; > > * A standard template for people to write new pages > * Stylesheets, and classes, for specific presentation effects > * No author should need to write "" in their document, or use > other formatting tricks like that. We either use CSS, or, if browser > support is poor, we use CSS in the documents, and let the XSL stylesheets > embed the browser specific formatting as necessary > * A library of reusable content that can be dropped in to the page > * Facilities to help ensure that internal links are correct Totally agreed in concept. > Page layout > ----------- Is this toppage layout, or standard template for each pages? If this is standard template, I think we should talk about whether we need left/right navigation. IMHO these navigations narrow body area and reduce readability of contents. > Page description language > ------------------------- > > To enforce the style guidelines, don't let authors write a complete HTML > page. Instead, give them a cut-down markup language suitable for what they > need to do, allowing us to enforce the look and feel. Do you think we can enforce our style guidelines to writers? Defining new schema may be overkill. My suggestion is using XHTML as base schema and adding extentions for our local use. # Of course, we can use XSLT to translate XHTML to XHTML. > Building the web site > --------------------- ... > This suggests to me that naming everything with .xml extension might not be > the best way to do it. If everything has a .xml extension, irrespective of > its schema, then we can't write Makefiles that use SUFFIX rules to > automatically convert documents to HTML. Yes, we should use (or create) proper filename suffix to express its schema. -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 25 19: 1:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from postfix1-2.free.fr (postfix1-2.free.fr [213.228.0.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6164037B40C; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (dijon-36-146.dial.proxad.net [212.27.36.146]) by postfix1-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625E9AB0D9; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 04:01:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from stephane@localhost) by sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (8.11.6/8.11.1) id f8Q0vqU02599; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 02:57:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stephane) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 02:57:52 +0200 From: Stephane Legrand To: doc@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Branching www/ for XML development Message-ID: <20010926025752.A513@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> Reply-To: Stephane.Legrand@bigfoot.com References: <20010921001517.N1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010924235051.D448@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> <20010925110551.A31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010925110551.A31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:05:51AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:05:51AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 11:50:52PM +0200, Stephane Legrand wrote: > > Would this new approach with XML/XSLT imply major syntax modifications > > in every www files ? > > ... > > Yes and no :-) > ... > However, the content of each page will be the same, and can pretty much > be cut and pasted in to the new files. > > In this context, the "content" is pretty much everything between the > "&header;" and "&footer;" lines. Ok. It reassures me :) Stephane Legrand. -- Je recherche un emploi dans le domaine de l'informatique : PHP, Perl, SQL, FreeBSD, Linux, Internet... C.V. : http://stephleg.free.fr/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Sep 25 19: 1:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from postfix1-2.free.fr (postfix1-2.free.fr [213.228.0.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8A637B40B; Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (dijon-36-146.dial.proxad.net [212.27.36.146]) by postfix1-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A4DAB11C; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 04:01:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from stephane@localhost) by sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (8.11.6/8.11.1) id f8Q1dCL03136; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 03:39:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stephane) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 03:39:12 +0200 From: Stephane Legrand To: doc@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About the new HTML files in www/en/releases/4.4R/ Message-ID: <20010926033911.B513@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> Reply-To: Stephane.Legrand@bigfoot.com References: <20010925000748.E448@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> <200109242233.f8OMXC093762@c527597-a.cstvl1.sfba.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200109242233.f8OMXC093762@c527597-a.cstvl1.sfba.home.com>; from bmah@freebsd.org on Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 03:33:12PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 03:33:12PM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, Stephane Legrand wrote: > > > Some remarks about these new files : > > > > - the version numbers are different from the usual ones. > > For instance, in errata.html, it is : > > > > "$FreeBSD: src/release/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/errata/article.sgml,v 1.1.2.27 > > 2001/09/23 22:57:48 bmah Exp $" > > > > instead of something like > > > > "$FreeBSD: www/en/releases/4.4R/errata.html,v 1.2 > > 2001/09/23 22:57:48 bmah Exp $" > > > > Why ?? > > I turned off keyword substitution for these files in CVS. The html > files in www/en/ releases/4.4R/ were generated from SGML files, and I > thought it best to leave the ID strings intact so that people can see > where the content came from (and what revision). Otherwise this > information gets spammed with the date the generated HTML file was > updated in the repository. Although the dates will bear a strong > resemblance, the version numbers don't, and I bet I'd get a bunch of > questions as to why the version numbers on the Web site don't match > those in the RELNOTESng snapshots. Let me clarify why i asked this question. I'm participating to the french translation of the www pages and it's extremely useful to have a version number for each files because you can then easily track the translations out of sync. If you can assure me that this current version number will be modified each time the HTML file is modified (no matter if article.sgml was modified or not), then that's perfectly fine because i can use this version number as i already use the ones in the SGML files. But if it's not true, it would be great if for instance an other version number could be added to reflect each changes in the HTML file. Or may be you could transform this current line in a simple comment to keep inform the reader that the content was generated from article.sgml with its version and let the CVS do its job to have a more usual version number ? I hope you can understand my point of view despite my english :-) > > > - the fact that the HTML files are no more generated makes difficult > > any design changes. For instance, i can't add a navigation bar in > > these pages without directly modifying the files. With SGML, the > > &header; entity allows this without any change in the original > > file. Any chance to revert to SGML format ? > > I found the old method (drop ASCII text in the middle of SGML) to be > extremely inconvenient for updating the errata. I'm open to > alternatives that don't make me do this. Could it be possible to have something like (an example with errata) : %includes; ]> &header; ... current HTML content without any change ... &footer; ie basically embed the HTML body in a standard SGML "skeleton". So, the current HTML content is preserved but the SGML entities are preserved too. Is it easily feasible ? > My goal for the release documents was to provide, verbatim, the same > files that live in the distribution, in order to minimize confusion when > people happen to see copies of the same document coming from multiple > sources. My point is certainly not to criticize these new HTML files :) What i only want is to preserve some useful (at least for me) features of the SGML files. Stephane Legrand. -- Je recherche un emploi dans le domaine de l'informatique : PHP, Perl, SQL, FreeBSD, Linux, Internet... C.V. : http://stephleg.free.fr/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 4:16:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E8037B431 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 04:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a219.otenet.gr [212.205.215.219]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f8QBGdY20033 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:16:40 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8Q9J9K23373 for doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:19:09 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from charon@labs.gr) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:19:08 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: RFC: tags and use of class="directory" attribute Message-ID: <20010926121908.A23272@hades.hell.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-GPG-Fingerprint: C1EB 0653 DB8B A557 3829 00F9 D60F 941A 3186 03B6 X-URL: http://labs.gr/~charon/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline [ A few bits of DocBook anal-retentiveness. ] I noticed that there are places (very few, this is true) in the english documentation that use the tag with it's class="" attribute. A little search in the DocBook DTD's showed that supports the following classes: headerfile, devicefile, directory, libraryfile, symlink and path. The en_US.ISO8859-1 docs use class="" in very few places though (lines wrapped for readability): # lines `cut' at 78 characters, to avoid messy output on narrow terminals $ cd ~/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1 $ find . -type f -name \*.sgml |\ > xargs grep 'class="' /dev/null |\ > grep -v 'literallayout' |\ > grep -v '/etc/fire ./books/developers-handbook/introduction/chapter.sgml: tags that do not have them? -giorgos --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE7sZ2M1g+UGjGGA7YRAn/TAKC6ewv2/44G1+hH9qycoN45uRaNvwCcCdCd Hi/n+ZcW2Mib+TfBRadi34g= =lHnE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 4:20: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8106037B432 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 04:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8QBK1E98342; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 04:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467E837B418 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 04:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a219.otenet.gr [212.205.215.219]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f8QBGgY20111 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:16:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8Q8XdV22897; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:33:39 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from charon) Message-Id: <200109260833.f8Q8XdV22897@hades.hell.gr> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:33:39 +0300 (EEST) From: Giorgos Keramidas Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/30838: wrap in the only instance of ipfw that isn't marked up like this in dialup-firewall article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 30838 >Category: docs >Synopsis: wrap in the only instance of ipfw that isn't marked up like this in dialup-firewall article >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Sep 26 04:20:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Giorgos Keramidas >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD hades.hell.gr 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #5: Tue Sep 4 19:49:44 EEST 2001 root@hades.hell.gr:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CHARON i386 >Description: The attached patch wraps in ... the only instance of `ipfw' in the running text of the dialup-firewall that is not marked as and is not a &man.ipfw.8; entity. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- patch-aa begins here --- Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/dialup-firewall/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.15 diff -u -r1.15 article.sgml --- article.sgml 2 Sep 2001 10:37:26 -0000 1.15 +++ article.sgml 26 Sep 2001 08:30:06 -0000 @@ -279,8 +279,8 @@ This merely means that the maximum logging count for the rule has been reached. The rule itself is still working, but it will no longer log until such time as you reset the - logging counters. This can be done by simply prefixing the - ipfw command with the resetlog option. + logging counters. This can be done by simply prefixing + ipfw with the resetlog option. --- patch-aa ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 4:52:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F3037B40F for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 04:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8QBeTR57928; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:40:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:40:29 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: tags and use of class="directory" attribute Message-ID: <20010926124029.R31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010926121908.A23272@hades.hell.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dFvuq/4WPi1dbS7Q" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010926121908.A23272@hades.hell.gr>; from charon@labs.gr on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 12:19:08PM +0300 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --dFvuq/4WPi1dbS7Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 12:19:08PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > [ A few bits of DocBook anal-retentiveness. ] >=20 > I noticed that there are places (very few, this is true) in the english > documentation that use the tag with it's class=3D"" attribute. > A little search in the DocBook DTD's showed that supports the > following classes: headerfile, devicefile, directory, libraryfile, symlin= k and > path. [...] > Is this done because it's preferred to avoid cluttering the SGML source w= ith > too much markup (or some other equally important reason)? (in which case,= those > few places that *do* use class=3D"" are better removed) If not, should I= go > through the docs and add proper class attributes to those tags= that > do not have them? In all honesty it's probably not worth the effort. falls in to roughly the same category as things like or . It's nice if people make the effort to use them, but we're not going to lose sleep if they're ommitted. If you've got the spare time and are looking for a nice simple project then by all means go and do it, the patch certainly won't be turned down. But it's not something I'd consider to be top priority. [ Just my opinion, of course ] N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --dFvuq/4WPi1dbS7Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjuxvq0ACgkQk6gHZCw343XUxACfR+SFTa3ka3m6V1A3oagj4gt9 IzYAn1JUBcSKLe6IhHhcTR2nqjykeQIs =UGKq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dFvuq/4WPi1dbS7Q-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 5:22:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA6437B40D for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 05:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8QBuq957981; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:56:52 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:56:52 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Jun Kuriyama Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Branching www/ for XML development Message-ID: <20010926125652.S31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010921001517.N1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010922113521.W1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010925173240.F31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <7m1ykud8oh.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="l4+/aJnPlhOv5JVj" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <7m1ykud8oh.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp>; from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 10:47:58AM +0900 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --l4+/aJnPlhOv5JVj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 10:47:58AM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > > Page layout > > ----------- >=20 > Is this toppage layout, or standard template for each pages? Standard template. =20 > If this is standard template, I think we should talk about whether we > need left/right navigation. IMHO these navigations narrow body area > and reduce readability of contents. The flip side of that is the argument that people find it easier to read text in narrower columns, because then their eyes don't have to flick back as far to the start of the next line. I've put up some test .html files at http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/xml-test/ index.html works, as will the links on the left hand side to "Project News" and "FreeBSD Press". Everything else is unlikely to work. There's no footer on any of the pages. There are all sorts of other problems. But it does show the look-and-feel on pages other than the index page. > > Page description language > > ------------------------- > >=20 > > To enforce the style guidelines, don't let authors write a complete HTML > > page. Instead, give them a cut-down markup language suitable for what = they > > need to do, allowing us to enforce the look and feel. >=20 > Do you think we can enforce our style guidelines to writers? =20 I think we have to. Looking over the existing site we have a mish-mash of different styles on different pages. > Defining > new schema may be overkill. My suggestion is using XHTML as base > schema and adding extentions for our local use. I'm a bit fuzzy on how that would work. Basically, I'd like authors to have control over two areas of the page: 1. The 'body copy'. 2. The selection of sidebars that appear on the right hand side. Everything else should be invisible to them. How would we do that using just XHTML? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --l4+/aJnPlhOv5JVj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjuxwoQACgkQk6gHZCw343WC2QCdGoEeNnfaZmgSmjNmnYvoGnDj Vd0AniSyd/w8DMwcyi7DZBZYMf3j/a// =yfws -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --l4+/aJnPlhOv5JVj-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 5:22:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4DB37B416; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 05:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8QCF1m58362; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:15:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:15:01 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Jorge Godoy Cc: Nik Clayton , discuss@linuxdoc.org, rhayden@apple.com, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposing some new HOWTOs Message-ID: <20010926131500.T31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010921142307.T1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010921210756.G23778@lupercalia.net> <20010924002535.D1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+Yg8W10oK6rlW0RR" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from godoy@conectiva.com on Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 09:14:54PM -0300 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --+Yg8W10oK6rlW0RR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [ Copying Ron Hayden at Apple about this, and the FreeBSD Doc. Project ] On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 09:14:54PM -0300, Jorge Godoy wrote: > Nik Clayton writes: > > Would the LDP be interested in assisting on a pan-Unix documentation > > effort? While there are certainly documents that are specific to an OS > > (tuning, kernel configuration, that sort of thing) there are many that > > aren't, or that have only a few sections that are OS specific. >=20 > I'd like to see it become true.=20 >=20 > I'm saying that without thinking too much, but I don't see any big > problems with having a huge repository.=20 I've been talking with the folks at Darwin about setting up a documentation repository that would contain documentation that is either truly cross-platform, or that has a minimum of OS-specific content -- the sort of thing that can be handled with ... ... and so forth. I don't expect that every documentation project's documentation would move there (there's a lot of FreeBSD doc. proj. stuff that's totally FreeBSD specific) but things like "Unix basics", "How to write a man page", and so on would go here. So far, the discussions on this with the Darwin folk have stalled. That is completely my fault -- my free cycles went out the window practically as soon as I got back from the US, and I've been working on things that pay the mortgage ever since. [ Plug: Skilled SGML / XML / XSLT / Perl / C Unix hacker for hire. =20 Preference for working on Open Source projects. ] I don't want this to stumble just because I haven't got the time to work on its inception, so I'm sending this in the hope that interested parties can take this further. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --+Yg8W10oK6rlW0RR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjuxxsQACgkQk6gHZCw343WpfQCfVq/bB4gIHELUDVhYR2/H9cpM z1gAn25UbNgYXF90fiqbdiaV1KQvsSck =uq8C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+Yg8W10oK6rlW0RR-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 7:10: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3C037B414 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 07:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8QEA1h45828; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 07:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from starbug.ugh.net.au (starbug.ugh.net.au [203.31.238.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F8B37B435 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 07:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C7913A8E4; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:04:21 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <20010926140421.C7913A8E4@starbug.ugh.net.au> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:04:21 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Reply-To: Andrew To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/30844: seconds should be minutes in games/fortune/datfiles/freebsd-tips Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 30844 >Category: docs >Synopsis: seconds should be minutes in games/fortune/datfiles/freebsd-tips >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Sep 26 07:10:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Andrew >Release: FreeBSD 4.4-RC i386 >Organization: UgH! >Environment: System: FreeBSD starbug.ugh.net.au 4.4-RC FreeBSD 4.4-RC #2: Sun Sep 2 04:39:24 EST 2001 andrew@starbug.ugh.net.au:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/STARBUG i386 >Description: The autologout variable in tcsh is in minutes rather than seconds. freebsd-tips says seconds. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- /usr/src/games/fortune/datfiles/freebsd-tips Sun Aug 19 13:10:55 2001 +++ freebsd-tips Wed Sep 26 23:57:36 2001 @@ -34,7 +34,7 @@ -- Giorgos Keramidas % You can `set autologout = 30' to have tcsh log you off automatically -if you leave the shell idle for more than 30 seconds. +if you leave the shell idle for more than 30 minutes. -- Giorgos Keramidas % If you `set filec' (file completion) in tcsh and write a part of the >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 10: 4:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts9.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A11437B410; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from khan.anarcat.dyndns.org ([65.92.169.79]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010926170412.SGDK25005.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@khan.anarcat.dyndns.org>; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:04:12 -0400 Received: from shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (shall.anarcat.dyndns.org [192.168.0.1]) by khan.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9371AAD; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 02C4E20B36; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:03:50 -0400 From: The Anarcat To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: libh?disk doc (deficiencies?) Message-ID: <20010926130350.C40172@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n2Pv11Ogg/Ox8ay5" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --n2Pv11Ogg/Ox8ay5 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="oTHb8nViIGeoXxdp" Content-Disposition: inline --oTHb8nViIGeoXxdp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [crossposted to -hackers in a hope to have more information, sorry if this is inappropriate] Hi. I'm currently working a bit on libh, which includes a libhdisk library to interface libdisk(3), newfs, etc, in short, a interface to operate disk partition/slice edition =E0 la sysinstall. The thing is that I'm trying to figure out how all this stuff works. libdisk(3) is not very informative, in fact, it doesn't document anything below the "slice" level (FS_SWAP macro and structure of a Disk/Chunk tree, for example). I made a little graphic (ASCII!) to show how such a tree (Disk/Chunk) is made, along with an algorithm from sysinstall's label.c that extract relevant data out of it. I will make documentation for the Disk/Chunk class hierarchy and functions, and that will imply investigating libdisk's functions.=20 I think libdisk(3) should be split and rewrote. Anyways, isn't it policy to have *functions* instead of *libraries* documented in manpages? :) The thing is that I might not be the best person to do it, and I do not understand everything clearly yet. If anyone has any other source of information (apart from source code), please share. :) I will probably end up posting prs about libdisk's doc... One thing I haven't figured out yet is why there is an intermediate "Chunk" between Disk and slices (see picture, the first chunk on the right of the Disk box). I think the graphic is quite good, and should be included somewhere, for reference because it took me a while to figure it out. A. --oTHb8nViIGeoXxdp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: libh/release/labeledit/algo.txt Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="algo.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We have the structures: +--------+ +-------+ | Disk | | Chunk |=20 | | | | This chunk represents the disk in itself | chunks--->| part |=20 +--------+ +--|----+=20 | =20 +--------------|---------------------------+ |Slices (e.g. | freebsd, linux, dos) | | V | | +-----------+ +-----------+ | | | Chunk | | Chunk | | | | | | | | | | type=3Dfbsd | | type=3Dfat | | | | | | | | | | part next----->| part next----> ... | | | | | | | | | | +--|--------+ +---|-------+ | | | ? | +------|-----------------------------------+ | +------|-----------------------------------+ |Partitions (eg. fs, swap) | | V | | +--------------+ +--------+ | | | Chunk | | Chunk | | | | | | | | | | type=3Dpart | | ... | | | | | | | | | | next----->| next----> ... | | | | | | | | | subtype=3Dswap | | ... | | | | | | | | | +--------------+ +--------+ | | | +------------------------------------------+ /* All the chunks currently displayed on the screen */ static struct { struct chunk *c; PartType type; } label_chunk_info[MAX_CHUNKS + 1]; /* this function flattens such a tree in a single array */ static void record_label_chunks(Device **devs, Device *dev) { int i, j, p; struct chunk *c1, *c2; Disk *d; j =3D p =3D 0; /* First buzz through and pick up the FreeBSD slices */ for (i =3D 0; devs[i]; i++) { if ((dev && devs[i] !=3D dev) || !devs[i]->enabled) continue; d =3D (Disk *)devs[i]->private; if (!d->chunks) msgFatal("No chunk list found for %s!", d->name); /* Put the slice entries first */ for (c1 =3D d->chunks->part; c1; c1 =3D c1->next) { if (c1->type =3D=3D freebsd) { label_chunk_info[j].type =3D PART_SLICE; label_chunk_info[j].c =3D c1; ++j; } } } /* Now run through again and get the FreeBSD partition entries */ for (i =3D 0; devs[i]; i++) { if (!devs[i]->enabled) continue; d =3D (Disk *)devs[i]->private; /* Then buzz through and pick up the partitions */ for (c1 =3D d->chunks->part; c1; c1 =3D c1->next) { if (c1->type =3D=3D freebsd) { for (c2 =3D c1->part; c2; c2 =3D c2->next) { if (c2->type =3D=3D part) { if (c2->subtype =3D=3D FS_SWAP) label_chunk_info[j].type =3D PART_SWAP; else label_chunk_info[j].type =3D PART_FILESYSTEM; label_chunk_info[j].c =3D c2; ++j; } } } else if (c1->type =3D=3D fat) { label_chunk_info[j].type =3D PART_FAT; label_chunk_info[j].c =3D c1; ++j; } } } label_chunk_info[j].c =3D NULL; if (here >=3D j) { here =3D j ? j - 1 : 0; } } --oTHb8nViIGeoXxdp-- --n2Pv11Ogg/Ox8ay5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjuyCnUACgkQttcWHAnWiGcIdwCeMGZ0JINGAJ9EAvP6reQdAuFb eCIAni5QtKHblw51OKnEq8lQshr3+Uy7 =7B4T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n2Pv11Ogg/Ox8ay5-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 10:57:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meta.lo-res.org (meta.lo-res.org [195.58.189.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3B637B42B for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from there (luzyro@www.fastforward.at [62.116.8.2]) by meta.lo-res.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id f8QI38595373 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:03:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from aaron@lo-res.org) Message-Id: <200109261803.f8QI38595373@meta.lo-res.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: aaron To: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: HOWTO install Maple on FreeBSD Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:57:33 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! I set up a small HOWTO on installing Maple 6 on FreeBSD. I would appreciate it if it could be added next to the "Installing Mathematica" section. the HOWTO can be found at http://www.biterror.net . Let me know if it is useful (replies to my email addr please, I dont read this list). If its not useful, please point out what I could have done better. keep up the good work, aaron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7shcN6bxke2EQxE0RAtJCAKC9r2No6miX52xjr5h/G+ps71L/TQCgqoqX L6Xighvk4vWr6EkCW9vY3xg= =yh6o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 11:23:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6481337B41C; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CEC2BCB6; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25289; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:23:27 -0700 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8QILxF59637; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 11:21:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: Nik Clayton Cc: Jun Kuriyama , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Branching www/ for XML development References: <20010921001517.N1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010922113521.W1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010925173240.F31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <7m1ykud8oh.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <20010926125652.S31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 26 Sep 2001 11:21:58 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20010926125652.S31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: Lines: 50 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please say if kibitzers are unwelcome in discussions like this; I'm new here. Re: Reading content through portholes. Pros: Easier to read narrower columns. Saves one navigation click (assuming that a navigation page (often the previous or home page) is one click away). It hard to argue against the methods of professional marketeers who seem to like this layout (though I doubt that it is needed or worth the disadvantages for www.FreeBSD.org). Cons: It may be just my imagination but I'm sure I'm not alone in finding reading through portholes just disturbing or claustrophobic. Also makes makes me feel I'm having something forced upon me which I didn't ask for want (even if it IS good for me). Makes me kind of mad at the provider. Makes it harder to refer to the context of what one is reading. Many people don't read like computers and need to go back and forth some. Encourages the many people who dislike long pages (for reasons I usually don't understand) to create more pages which makes the context problem even worse. Bloats the amount of data needed to be downloaded since all that border stuff is downloaded for every page whether useful or not. (I think that the case, unless frames are used, which I doubt is the plan.) Doesn't work as well for the majority of users with small monitors as for the fewer who have large monitors. Final comments: I was wondering if a navigation bar could always have a link that would bring up the content in a one- or two-panel window? Maybe a two-part link -- one for the new browser window in the current X window and one for a new X window. This would make printing pages of context (or parts) nicer too, without all the surrounding junk. For many pages (articles, etc) I think it would be best to let the content author do everything except a panel or two at the bottom for navigation and anything the web site wants to say. (Actually, I'd also have a small footer frame with a few links to the home page, nav page, page index, etc., but I guess frames have been ruled out.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 14:20: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F268337B437 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8QLK0F17409; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:20:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA86737B442 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a125.otenet.gr [212.205.215.125]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f8QLFlY03787 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:15:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8QL5hN42673; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:05:43 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from charon) Message-Id: <200109262105.f8QL5hN42673@hades.hell.gr> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:05:43 +0300 (EEST) From: Giorgos Keramidas Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/30851: change FORMAT= to FORMATS= in an fdp-primer example of building the docs Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 30851 >Category: docs >Synopsis: change FORMAT= to FORMATS= in an fdp-primer example of building the docs >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Sep 26 14:20:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Giorgos Keramidas >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD hades.hell.gr 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #5: Tue Sep 4 19:49:44 EEST 2001 root@hades.hell.gr:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CHARON i386 >Description: The fdp-primer in one of the examples for building the docs in various formats uses FORMAT=txt instead of FORMATS=txt. The attached patch fixes the example. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- patch begins here --- Index: overview/chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/overview/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.7 chapter.sgml --- overview/chapter.sgml 16 Jul 2001 14:45:56 -0000 1.7 +++ overview/chapter.sgml 26 Sep 2001 21:00:26 -0000 @@ -247,7 +247,7 @@ and convert the document to other formats for review. &prompt.user; make lint -&prompt.user; make FORMAT=format +&prompt.user; make FORMATS=format Where format is one of html, html-split, --- patch ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 14:23:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hood.tvd.be (hood.tvd.be [195.162.196.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBF137B42B for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cocaine.cryolabs.net (cable-213-132-151-97.upc.chello.be [213.132.151.97]) by hood.tvd.be (8.9.3/8.9.3/RELAY-1.1) with ESMTP id XAA21040 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:23:18 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:22:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Wouter Van Hemel To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Branching www/ for XML development In-Reply-To: Message-ID: PGP: 0B B4 BC 28 53 62 FE 94 6A 57 EE B8 A6 E2 1B E4 (0xAA5412F0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 26 Sep 2001, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > Please say if kibitzers are unwelcome in discussions like this; > I'm new here. > Same goes for me. :) > It may be just my imagination but I'm sure I'm not alone in finding > reading through portholes just disturbing or claustrophobic. Also makes > makes me feel I'm having something forced upon me which I didn't ask for > want (even if it IS good for me). Makes me kind of mad at the provider. > I really have to agree. To have this structure on all generated pages might be overkill, and give too much distraction for people looking for specific contents - a bit of a too 'spammy' look. On some pages -such as the homepage itself- this doesn't matter, since homepages traditionally show the broad selection of information contained in or related to the site. > ... > > For many pages (articles, etc) I think it would be best to let the > content author do everything except a panel or two at the bottom for > navigation and anything the web site wants to say. (Actually, I'd > also have a small footer frame with a few links to the home page, > nav page, page index, etc., but I guess frames have been ruled out.) > This seems like a good idea to me. In rather specific content-pages, a header and footer may be suffisient. A long page could contain small 'back to top' - buttons, this works almost as efficient as a side-menu. As I see it, there are two types of pages, ones that have a more 'referring' function - those could be packed with links, new-headlines, polls and whatever other goodies, and others that have a more 'destined' function, the information being a specific goal for the visite to the page. These pages have to lead the user back to a 'road map' page, ofcourse; but have a myriad of links and referrers on every page, may have a tiring and distracting effect. Imagine you have to read loads of pages like that... or print them... Just my idea. / wouter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 14:37:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132D437B426 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id E2EA64B65D; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:36:54 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: tags and use of class="directory" attribute Message-ID: <20010926143654.K1338@windriver.com> References: <20010926121908.A23272@hades.hell.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="QRj9sO5tAVLaXnSD" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010926121908.A23272@hades.hell.gr>; from charon@labs.gr on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 12:19:08PM +0300 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --QRj9sO5tAVLaXnSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Nik here that if you want to send in a patch we'll certainly commit it, but it's not likely to make much of an impact on our user's experience with FreeBSD Documentation. There are plenty of other things that need to be done though : * Write more content for our books. * Write more tutorials * Improve the sometimes horrible abuse of the English language in our documentation. * Translate our English documentation into other languages. * Make screenshots or diagrams to replace ASCII text if it provides a large benefit for the clarity of the text. The doc project task list is available online at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/current.html. The above is just a sample of some of my own todo items. - Murray On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 12:19:08PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > [ A few bits of DocBook anal-retentiveness. ] >=20 > I noticed that there are places (very few, this is true) in the english > documentation that use the tag with it's class=3D"" attribute. > A little search in the DocBook DTD's showed that supports the > following classes: headerfile, devicefile, directory, libraryfile, symlin= k and > path. >=20 > The en_US.ISO8859-1 docs use class=3D"" in very few places though (lines = wrapped > for readability): >=20 > # lines `cut' at 78 characters, to avoid messy output on narrow termi= nals > $ cd ~/freebsd/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1 > $ find . -type f -name \*.sgml |\ > > xargs grep 'class=3D"' /dev/null |\ > > grep -v 'literallayout' |\ > > grep -v ' ./articles/dialup-firewall/article.sgml: class=3D"directory">/et= c/fire > ./books/developers-handbook/introduction/chapter.sgml: ./books/developers-handbook/x86/chapter.sgml: db '<div clas= s=3D > ./books/developers-handbook/x86/chapter.sgml: db 'cellspacing= =3D"0" > ./books/developers-handbook/x86/chapter.sgml: db '<td class= =3D"n > ./books/developers-handbook/x86/chapter.sgml: db '<td class= =3D"v >=20 > Is this done because it's preferred to avoid cluttering the SGML source w= ith > too much markup (or some other equally important reason)? (in which case,= those > few places that *do* use class=3D"" are better removed) If not, should I= go > through the docs and add proper class attributes to those tags= that > do not have them? >=20 > -giorgos >=20 --QRj9sO5tAVLaXnSD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7skp2tNcQog5FH30RAk+QAKDNj5Nx7CoARFIL8t72U5q0oBMe9gCdG48C pj+uaKvXVokqx9RJc26/eyM= =zKi7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --QRj9sO5tAVLaXnSD-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 14:50: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6736D37B406 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8QLo1220423; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109262150.f8QLo1220423@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Murray Stokely Subject: Re: docs/30838: wrap in the only instance of ipfw that isn't marked up like this in dialup-firewall article Reply-To: Murray Stokely Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/30838; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Murray Stokely To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30838: wrap in the only instance of ipfw that isn't marked up like this in dialup-firewall article Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:46:14 -0700 --wULyF7TL5taEdwHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 11:33:39AM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > This merely means that the maximum logging count for the > rule has been reached. The rule itself is still working, > but it will no longer log until such time as you reset the > - logging counters. This can be done by simply prefixing the > - ipfw command with the resetlog option. > + logging counters. This can be done by simply prefixing > + ipfw with the resetlog= option. > This sentence doesn't make any sense to me. The correct answer to the question is to run the ipfw command with the 'resetlog' argument, but that is a very confusing way to describe it. Also, we should probably mention the bumping up of the log limit in the kernel configuration that is discussed earlier in this article. I agree that we should add the markup to the ipfw command, but it doesn't do much good if the sentence doesn't make sense in the first place. How about this :=20 "You can reset the logging counters with the ipfw resetlog command. Alternatively, you may increase the log limit in your kernel configuration file by increasing the option." Sound good? - Murray --wULyF7TL5taEdwHz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7skyltNcQog5FH30RAuTRAJwKSsg6OVX3t1J7y9Vr+DcSCFOqJQCfZFOP ENREIN6dwR9nHCAowGbf4yg= =lOaQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wULyF7TL5taEdwHz-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 14:57:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7C337B40C; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8QLnd720388; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:49:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:49:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200109262149.f8QLnd720388@freefall.freebsd.org> To: charon@labs.gr, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30851: change FORMAT= to FORMATS= in an fdp-primer example of building the docs Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: change FORMAT= to FORMATS= in an fdp-primer example of building the docs State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Wed Sep 26 14:49:33 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fixed, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30851 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 15:10: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4006E37B407 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8QMA2G26375; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109262210.f8QMA2G26375@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/30838: wrap in the only instance of ipfw that isn't marked up like this in dialup-firewall article Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/30838; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Murray Stokely Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/30838: wrap in the only instance of ipfw that isn't marked up like this in dialup-firewall article Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:58:01 +0300 --R3G7APHDIzY6R/pk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Murray Stokely wrote: >=20 > This sentence doesn't make any sense to me. Doesn't make sense to me either, and I wanted to double check before sugges= ting a replacement (my kernel does not have ipfw support). Especially that 'prefixing' thing sounds awfuly confusing. Feel free to change it, the following looks a lot better: > How about this :=20 >=20 > "You can reset the logging counters with the ipfw > resetlog command. Alternatively, you may increase the log > limit in your kernel configuration file by increasing the > option." -giorgos --R3G7APHDIzY6R/pk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE7sk9o1g+UGjGGA7YRAofNAJ4/KXHpTJ9zsF9CWeXJuNMhpbzMEwCgu8S2 kfYwAZtbY84biOK8IKd+e6U= =I4UF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --R3G7APHDIzY6R/pk-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 15:32:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from stratus.swi.com.br (stratus.swi.com.br [200.203.204.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDCEF37B41F; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dagon.conectiva (1-069.ctame701-5.telepar.net.br [200.181.178.69]) by stratus.swi.com.br (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8QMSRQ15999; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:28:30 -0300 Posted-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:28:30 -0300 X-Local-Destination: nik@freebsd.org X-Local-Origin: godoy@conectiva.com X-Gateway: Speedway Internet Service http://www.swi.com.br Received: by dagon.conectiva (Postfix, from userid 500) id 51194271FF; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:35:26 -0300 (BRT) To: Nik Clayton Cc: discuss@linuxdoc.org, rhayden@apple.com, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposing some new HOWTOs References: <20010921142307.T1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010921210756.G23778@lupercalia.net> <20010924002535.D1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010926131500.T31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> X-URL: X-Disclaimer: Unless explicitly stated, opinions on this message are strictly mine From: Jorge Godoy In-Reply-To: <20010926131500.T31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> (Nik Clayton's message of "Wed, 26 Sep 2001 13:15:01 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) Emacs/21.0.103 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:35:24 -0300 Message-ID: Lines: 65 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nik Clayton writes: > I've been talking with the folks at Darwin about setting up a Excuse me for my ignorance, but what's 'Darwin'? Any FreeBSD team?=20 > documentation repository that would contain documentation that is either > truly cross-platform, or that has a minimum of OS-specific content -- > the sort of thing that can be handled with > > ... > > ... > > and so forth. That's OK. Just minimal stylesheet customization would handle that easily.=20 > I don't expect that every documentation project's documentation would > move there (there's a lot of FreeBSD doc. proj. stuff that's totally > FreeBSD specific) but things like "Unix basics", "How to write a man > page", and so on would go here. That's what I was thinking about. These generic guidelines, internet behaviour, theoretical documents, etc. are perfect for sharing among several projects. Having them together is "a good thing"(tm).=20 My fear is that things come to and end as OSWG. OSWG wasn't OS specific and it simply vanished.=20 > So far, the discussions on this with the Darwin folk have stalled. That > is completely my fault -- my free cycles went out the window practically > as soon as I got back from the US, and I've been working on things that > pay the mortgage ever since. Aren't we all working more than we used too? :-P > [ Plug: Skilled SGML / XML / XSLT / Perl / C Unix hacker for hire.=20=20 > Preference for working on Open Source projects. ] :o)) If somebody has more money to spend, and doesn't know what to do with it, I'd like to get some too. >:o)=20 OK... Nik needs it more than I do... Hire him. ;-) > I don't want this to stumble just because I haven't got the time to > work on its inception, so I'm sending this in the hope that interested > parties can take this further. I am interested, but I can't assume another project. I can see that we have some net resources, thought. And I'd like to contribute to it. See you, =2D-=20 Godoy. Solutions Developer - Conectiva Inc. - http://en.conectiva.com Desenvolvedor de Solu=E7=F5es - Conectiva S.A. - http://www.conectiva.com.br --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7slgsEzC+baSjBiURAiltAJ4jYaDtQu+IX4SgVMsnq7dgk1JDiACgg8XP wi6ZvwynamydXnnMNSejQUE= =Il2v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 17:47:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDDA37B40B; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8R0hvB79518; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:43:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:43:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200109270043.f8R0hvB79518@freefall.freebsd.org> To: andrew@ugh.net.au, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30844: seconds should be minutes in games/fortune/datfiles/freebsd-tips Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: seconds should be minutes in games/fortune/datfiles/freebsd-tips State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Wed Sep 26 17:43:42 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30844 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 17:50: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A6437B43A for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8R0o1m80027; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF0337B43E for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8R0gB179238; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:42:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200109270042.f8R0gB179238@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:42:11 -0700 (PDT) From: ncalvo To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/30855: Update to the FreeBSD FAQ in order to reflect 4.4-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 30855 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Update to the FreeBSD FAQ in order to reflect 4.4-RELEASE >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Sep 26 17:50:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: ncalvo >Release: 4.3-RELEASE >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD amnesiac.no.domain 4.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE #0: Tue Aug 7 02:33:38 CEST 2001 root@amnesiac.no.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/AMNESIAC i386 >Description: Minor update to the FreeBSD FAQ in order to reflect the release of 4.4-RELEASE. >How-To-Repeat: n/a >Fix: enclosed patch (46 lines long): --- book.sgml.orig Thu Sep 27 02:31:56 2001 +++ book.sgml Thu Sep 27 02:35:41 2001 @@ -173,9 +173,9 @@ Version 4.3 + URL="ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.4-RELEASE/">4.4 is the latest STABLE version; it was - released in April, 2001. This is also the latest + released in September, 2001. This is also the latest RELEASE version. Briefly explained, -STABLE is aimed @@ -321,7 +321,7 @@ | (May 1999) (Sep 1999) (Dec 1999) (June 2000) (July 2000) | | [4.0-STABLE] - *BRANCH* 4.0 (Mar 2000) -> 4.1 -> 4.1.1 -> 4.2 -> 4.3 -> ... future 4.x releases ... + *BRANCH* 4.0 (Mar 2000) -> 4.1 -> 4.1.1 -> 4.2 -> 4.3 -> 4.4 -> ... future 4.x releases ... | | (July 2000) (Sep 2000) (Nov 2000) \|/ @@ -335,8 +335,8 @@ fixes. 4-STABLE is the actively developed -STABLE branch. The - latest release on the 4-STABLE is 4.3-RELEASE, which was released - in April 2001. + latest release on the 4-STABLE is 4.4-RELEASE, which was released + in September 2001. The 5-CURRENT branch is slowly progressing toward 5.0-RELEASE and beyond. See What is @@ -408,9 +408,9 @@ - The current 4-STABLE release, 4.3-RELEASE can be + The current 4-STABLE release, 4.4-RELEASE can be found in the 4.3-RELEASE directory. + URL="ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.4-RELEASE/">4.4-RELEASE directory. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 17:57:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FC537B41C; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8R0q3K80244; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:52:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200109270052.f8R0q3K80244@freefall.freebsd.org> To: charon@labs.gr, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30838: wrap in the only instance of ipfw that isn't marked up like this in dialup-firewall article Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: wrap in the only instance of ipfw that isn't marked up like this in dialup-firewall article State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Wed Sep 26 17:51:57 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: fixed, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30838 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 18:17:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8125F37B42F; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8R1Et285255; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:14:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 18:14:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200109270114.f8R1Et285255@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ncalvo@es.freebsd.org, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30855: Update to the FreeBSD FAQ in order to reflect 4.4-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Update to the FreeBSD FAQ in order to reflect 4.4-RELEASE State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Wed Sep 26 18:14:26 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: The FAQ now uses the same entity that the handbook uses, so when the entity is updated, the text is updated. Thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30855 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 19:30:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F0137B431 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8R2U8U95983; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:30:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109270230.f8R2U8U95983@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Piet Delport Subject: Re: docs/30809: fdisk(8) cleanup Reply-To: Piet Delport Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/30809; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Piet Delport To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Subject: Re: docs/30809: fdisk(8) cleanup Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 04:27:35 +0200 On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 at 09:20:02 -0700, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: [snip] Thanks! I've worked your changes into the patch, along with several other additions. The overall organisation of the manpage is still not as good as it can be, i think, but i lack enough knowledge of exactly how fdisk works to fix that, and hope this is enough, at least for now. -- Piet Delport Today's subliminal thought is: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 19:40:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD4137B410 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8R2e1597075; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 19:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109270240.f8R2e1597075@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Piet Delport Subject: Re: docs/30809: fdisk(8) cleanup Reply-To: Piet Delport Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/30809; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Piet Delport To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Subject: Re: docs/30809: fdisk(8) cleanup Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 04:40:19 +0200 --Boundary_(ID_k5eDihN5/pTKcOG9fRZCOg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Fsck, forgot to include the patch, sorry... -- Piet Delport Today's subliminal thought is: --Boundary_(ID_k5eDihN5/pTKcOG9fRZCOg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; NAME=fdisk.8.patch Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=fdisk.8.patch --- sbin/i386/fdisk/fdisk.8.orig Thu Aug 16 13:35:43 2001 +++ sbin/i386/fdisk/fdisk.8 Thu Sep 27 01:15:59 2001 @@ -131,10 +131,11 @@ .Ql ad0 , and .Ql da0 -are being searched in that order, until one is -being found responding. +are searched in that order, until one is found to respond. .Pp -When called with no arguments, it prints the sector 0 partition table. +When called with no options, +.Nm +prints the sector 0 partition table. An example follows: .Bd -literal ******* Working on device /dev/ad0 ******* @@ -180,36 +181,35 @@ .It Em "flag 80" specifies that this is the active partition. .It Em cyl , sector No and Em head -fields are used to specify the beginning address -and end address for the partition. +fields are used to specify the beginning and end addresses of the partition. .It Em Note : these numbers are calculated using BIOS's understanding of the disk geometry and saved in the bootblock. .El .Pp -The flags +The .Fl i -or +and .Fl u -are used to indicate that the partition data is to be updated, unless the -.Fl f -option is used. If the +flags are used to indicate that the partition data is to be updated. +Unless the .Fl f -option is not used, the +option is also given, .Nm -program will enter a conversational mode. -This mode is designed not to change any data unless you explicitly tell it to. -.Nm Fdisk -selects defaults for its questions to guarantee the above behavior. +will enter a conversational mode. +In this mode, no changes will be written to disk unless you explicitly tell +.Nm +to. .Pp -It displays each partition -and ask if you want to edit it. +.Nm Fdisk +will display each partition and ask whether you want to edit it. If you say yes, -it will step through each field showing the old value -and asking for a new one. -When you are done with a partition, .Nm -will display it and ask if it is correct. +will step through each field, show you the old value, +and ask you for a new one. +When you are done with the partition, +.Nm +will display it and ask you whether it is correct. .Nm Fdisk will then proceed to the next entry. .Pp @@ -217,30 +217,26 @@ .Em cyl , sector , and .Em head -fields correct is tricky. -So by default, +fields correct is tricky, so by default, they will be calculated for you; -you can specify them if you choose. +you can specify them if you choose to though. .Pp After all the partitions are processed, you are given the option to change the .Em active partition. -Finally, -when the all the data for the first sector has been accumulated, -you are asked if you really want to rewrite sector 0. -Only if you answer yes, -will the data be written to disk. +Finally, when all the new data for sector 0 has been accumulated, +you are asked to confirm whether you really want to rewrite it. .Pp The difference between the .Fl u -flag and +and .Fl i -flag is that +flags is that the .Fl u -flag just edits the fields as they appear on the disk. -While the +flag just edits (updates) the fields as they appear on the disk, +while the .Fl i flag is used to "initialize" sector 0; it will setup the last BIOS partition to use the whole disk for @@ -248,11 +244,13 @@ and make it active. .Sh NOTES The automatic calculation of starting cylinder etc. uses -a set of figures that represent what the BIOS thinks is the -geometry of the drive. -These figures are by default taken from the incore disklabel, -but the program initially gives you an opportunity to change them. -This allows the user to create a bootblock that can work with drives +a set of figures that represent what the BIOS thinks the +geometry of the drive is. +These figures are taken from the in-core disklabel by default, +but +.Nm +initially gives you an opportunity to change them. +This allows you to create a bootblock that can work with drives that use geometry translation under the BIOS. .Pp If you hand craft your disk layout, @@ -262,21 +260,24 @@ A number of decisions made later may assume this. (This might not be necessary later.) .Pp -Editing an existing partition will most likely cause you to -lose all the data in that partition. +Editing an existing partition will most likely result in the loss of +all data in that partition. .Pp -You should run this program interactively once or twice to see how it -works. This is completely safe as long as you answer the last question -in the negative. There are subtleties that the program detects that are -not fully explained in this manual page. +You should run +.Nm +interactively once or twice to see how it works. +This is completely safe as long as you answer the last question +in the negative. There are subtleties that +.Nm +detects that are not fully explained in this manual page. .Sh CONFIGURATION FILE When the .Fl f option is given, a disk's partition table can be written using values from a .Ar configfile . -The syntax of this file is very simple. Each line is either a comment or -a specification, and whitespace (except for newlines) are ignored: +The syntax of this file is very simple; +each line is either a comment or a specification, as follows: .Bl -tag -width Ds .It Xo .Ic # @@ -323,7 +324,7 @@ .Ed .Pp The number of cylinders should be less than or equal to 1024, but this -is not enforced, although a warning will be output. Note that bootable +is not enforced, although a warning will be printed. Note that bootable .Fx partitions (the "/" filesystem) must lie completely within the first 1024 cylinders; if this is not true, booting may fail. --Boundary_(ID_k5eDihN5/pTKcOG9fRZCOg)-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 20:35:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from Tele.TM.Odessa.UA (Tele.TM.Odessa.UA [195.66.200.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C540637B439 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Organization: S&PE Telematika Received: from dp-4-38.TM.Odessa.UA (dp-4-38.TM.Odessa.UA [195.66.216.38]) by Tele.TM.Odessa.UA (8.11.1/8.11.1/TM-Mail-2.7) with ESMTP id f8R3Z7u58845 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 06:35:08 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 06:36:07 +0200 From: Korv!n X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.46d) Educational Reply-To: Korv!n X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <891387688.20010927063607@mail.ru> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: freeBSD guide pictures Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi :) is it possible to get pictures from "The Complete FreeBSD" by Greg Lehey? i have book.txt file from CD-ROM, but there's no pics... please, if it possible, give me the URL, containing them, or tell me bout the way to get'em... best regards, artyom (odessa/ukraine) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Sep 26 21:35:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ms8.hinet.net (ms8.hinet.net [168.95.4.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA7B37B437; Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 168.95.192.1 (61-216-51-248.HINET-IP.hinet.net [61.216.51.248]) by ms8.hinet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA06892; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:35:32 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <200109270435.MAA06892@ms8.hinet.net> From: "=?BIG5?Q?12345=A2I12345?=" To: "" <> Subject: =?BIG5?Q?2=A4p=AE=C9=A5=DF=A7Y=C0=B0=B1z=BA=F4=B8=F4=B6}=A9=B1=C0=E7=B7~!!?= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:42:42 +0800 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---RisingEdge.798C1A93.2001.09.27.10.42.42" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multipart message in mime format. -----RisingEdge.798C1A93.2001.09.27.10.42.42 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---RisingEdge.14FEBFB6.2001.09.27.10.42.42" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----RisingEdge.14FEBFB6.2001.09.27.10.42.42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="BIG5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2=A4p=AE=C9=A7=D6=B3t=BA=F4=AD=B6=BBs=A7@=A4=CE=AD=D7=A7=EF. =BA=F4=A7= }=A7K=B6O!! =BA=F4=AD=B6=BBs=A7@=B6W=A7C=BB=F9=A5u=ADnNT800=A4=B8. =A7K=B6O=BA=F4= =A7}=B1=BE=A4W. =A5=DF=A7Y=C0=B0=B1z=BA=F4=B8=F4=B6}=A9=B1=C0=E7=B7~=B0= =B5=A5=CD=B7N!! 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Swearingen) Date: 26 Sep 2001 23:41:19 -0700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 8 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wouter Van Hemel writes: > A long page could contain small 'back > to top' - buttons, this works almost as efficient as a side-menu. But not as efficient as a click of the middle pointer button at the correct part of the vertical scroll bar, which requires no link at all. Those without this function can do it too; just a little more awkwardly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 0:37:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC30337B448; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8R7WKq44647; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:32:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 00:32:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200109270732.f8R7WKq44647@freefall.freebsd.org> To: charon@labs.gr, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30343: minor changes to ata(4) manpage Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: minor changes to ata(4) manpage State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Thu Sep 27 00:30:18 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: The 4 options were indeed inconsistent with each other to begin with, and this patch didn't address all of those issues. I believe the intention of the man page was to list sysctl options as : Set to 1 for FOO functionality, 0 for BAR functionality (FOO default). So thats what I standardized everything on. Thanks for the submission! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=30343 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 2:25: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B32C37B506 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 02:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eborcom.com ([62.253.46.210]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010927092459.CBRU268.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@eborcom.com> for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:24:59 +0100 Received: (qmail 38282 invoked by uid 1001); 27 Sep 2001 09:24:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:24:25 +0100 From: Tom Hukins To: murray@FreeBSD.org Cc: ncalvo@es.freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30855: Update to the FreeBSD FAQ in order to reflect 4.4-RELEASE Message-ID: <20010927102425.A36563@eborcom.com> Mail-Followup-To: Tom Hukins , murray@FreeBSD.org, ncalvo@es.freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <200109270114.f8R1Et285255@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200109270114.f8R1Et285255@freefall.freebsd.org>; from murray@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 06:14:55PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 06:14:55PM -0700, murray@FreeBSD.org wrote: > Synopsis: Update to the FreeBSD FAQ in order to reflect 4.4-RELEASE > > State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > State-Changed-By: murray > State-Changed-When: Wed Sep 26 18:14:26 PDT 2001 > State-Changed-Why: > The FAQ now uses the same entity that the handbook uses, so when the > entity is updated, the text is updated. Thanks! The problem with the patch applied (revision 1.268 of doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml) is that the date is fixed as September 2001. This means that when &rel.current is updated to 4.5, the date will be stuck at September 2001. Would it be a good idea to add another &rel.month entity, or something along those lines? Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 2:31:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dual.ms.mff.cuni.cz (www.freebsd.cz [195.113.19.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED0B37B438 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 02:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (horcicka@localhost) by dual.ms.mff.cuni.cz (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8R9VAS67972 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:31:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from horcicka@FreeBSD.cz) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:31:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Horcicka X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Branching www/ for XML development In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010927100052.D64942-100000@dual.ms.mff.cuni.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wouter Van Hemel (2001-09-26 23:22 +0200): > > It may be just my imagination but I'm sure I'm not alone in finding > > reading through portholes just disturbing or claustrophobic. Also makes > > makes me feel I'm having something forced upon me which I didn't ask for > > want (even if it IS good for me). Makes me kind of mad at the provider. > > > > I really have to agree. To have this structure on all generated pages > might be overkill, and give too much distraction for people looking for > specific contents - a bit of a too 'spammy' look. > > On some pages -such as the homepage itself- this doesn't matter, since > homepages traditionally show the broad selection of information contained > in or related to the site. I agree as well. In my opinion the purpose of the homepage is to provide maximum links to make the page structure as flat as possible. One should be able to get to almost all important and frequently used places directly from the homepage. The homepage is also a "show-window" of the whole web site - there should be some changes visible often enough to get the impression the website is alive. So I would like to see more links, little more space for dynamic content (news etc.), less (or none at all) static and advertisements texts. The page should have half the height it has now maybe. I am not so good designer to give you some cool page layout but I hope we have enough time to discuss any suggestion. What about something like this (very often used also): +-------------------------------------------------------+ | | | Header | | | +-------------------------------+-----------------------+ | | | | | | | | | | | | | Links grouped in several rows | News etc. | | and two columns | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | +-------------------------------+-----------------------+ | | | Footer | | | +-------------------------------------------------------+ I would like other pages to be pretty simple - one column only with header and footer and some navigation in the header. On these pages there is the content that is important. No bombastic features or navigation columns (which are usually just empty space on the lower parts of pages) are necessary in my opinion. If you think the text lines in your window are too wide just shrink your window - people with smaller monitors or resolution cannot do any inverse action. > > For many pages (articles, etc) I think it would be best to let the > > content author do everything except a panel or two at the bottom for > > navigation and anything the web site wants to say. (Actually, I'd > > also have a small footer frame with a few links to the home page, > > nav page, page index, etc., but I guess frames have been ruled out.) In the question of the content structure of pages I must agree with Nik. With his framework we would get excellent style consistency of the whole website. But particular parts of the framework should be probably discussed thoroughly (to not grouch in future). Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 2:53: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB5637B448; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 02:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8R9XU270141; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:33:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:33:30 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Jorge Godoy Cc: Nik Clayton , discuss@linuxdoc.org, rhayden@apple.com, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposing some new HOWTOs Message-ID: <20010927103330.B31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010921142307.T1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010921210756.G23778@lupercalia.net> <20010924002535.D1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010926131500.T31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YLwdFo+Xu6B7B0Yp" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from godoy@conectiva.com on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 07:35:24PM -0300 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --YLwdFo+Xu6B7B0Yp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 07:35:24PM -0300, Jorge Godoy wrote: > Nik Clayton writes: >=20 > > I've been talking with the folks at Darwin about setting up a >=20 > Excuse me for my ignorance, but what's 'Darwin'? Any FreeBSD team?=20 The Open Source core of Mac OS X. > > I don't expect that every documentation project's documentation would > > move there (there's a lot of FreeBSD doc. proj. stuff that's totally > > FreeBSD specific) but things like "Unix basics", "How to write a man > > page", and so on would go here. >=20 > That's what I was thinking about. >=20 > These generic guidelines, internet behaviour, theoretical documents, > etc. are perfect for sharing among several projects. Having them > together is "a good thing"(tm).=20 >=20 > My fear is that things come to and end as OSWG. OSWG wasn't OS > specific and it simply vanished.=20 OSWG was, I think, primarily being driven by one person. This is why I'm trying to get more projects directly involved in this. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --YLwdFo+Xu6B7B0Yp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjuy8mkACgkQk6gHZCw343VEgwCZARSWPewlXlCSAp+WYhS0hSk2 J8cAnA48li22B0YkoIr5rLYceKRXL02n =hp7P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YLwdFo+Xu6B7B0Yp-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 3:17:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8A337B406; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 03:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 8C0CD4B65D; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 03:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 03:17:21 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Tom Hukins , murray@FreeBSD.org, ncalvo@es.freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/30855: Update to the FreeBSD FAQ in order to reflect 4.4-RELEASE Message-ID: <20010927031721.C3762@windriver.com> References: <200109270114.f8R1Et285255@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010927102425.A36563@eborcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010927102425.A36563@eborcom.com>; from tom@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 10:24:25AM +0100 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 10:24:25AM +0100, Tom Hukins wrote: > Would it be a good idea to add another &rel.month entity, or something > along those lines? Sounds good to me. ;) Done. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 5:52:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C1737B432; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 05:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8RCREO85420; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:27:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:27:14 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Gary W. Swearingen" Cc: Nik Clayton , Jun Kuriyama , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Branching www/ for XML development Message-ID: <20010927132714.E31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010921001517.N1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010922113521.W1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010925173240.F31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <7m1ykud8oh.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <20010926125652.S31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hNrJFWHEm0TKGkuH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from swear@blarg.net on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 11:21:58AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --hNrJFWHEm0TKGkuH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 11:21:58AM -0700, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > Please say if kibitzers are unwelcome in discussions like this; > I'm new here. Not at all. Before we go much further on this, I've put up some samples at http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/xml-test/ The front page, and the two links "Project News" and "FreeBSD Press" work. Everything else is unlikely to. This is just proof of concept. But it's probably better to comment on these than same of the comments I made in my original posting. > Final comments: >=20 > I was wondering if a navigation bar could always have a link that > would bring up the content in a one- or two-panel window? Maybe a > two-part link -- one for the new browser window in the current X window > and one for a new X window. This would make printing pages of context > (or parts) nicer too, without all the surrounding junk. This is actually pretty easy to do. We just change the stylesheet, and generate a new set of pages with a different, simpler, stylesheet. Providing a "Print this page" link on each page would be trivial. =20 N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --hNrJFWHEm0TKGkuH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjuzGyIACgkQk6gHZCw343WJuACfUdMkMl0dyh8puWhTdq7cGwf6 AmAAnj/jf2jjLZABVM+EykJNZbnfAXfJ =0SEq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hNrJFWHEm0TKGkuH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 7:21:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from relay3-gui.server.ntli.net (relay3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.4.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB19937B40A; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc1-card3-0-cust220.cdf.cable.ntl.com ([62.252.49.220] helo=rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net ident=exim) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 15mc27-0006ay-00; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:20:59 +0100 Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15mc0f-000J2a-00; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:19:29 +0100 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:19:29 +0100 From: setantae To: doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Breakage in /usr/ports/textproc/docproj Message-ID: <20010927151928.A73173@rhadamanth> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org /usr/ports/graphics/gd and hence /usr/ports/textproc/docproj is broken. I cvsup'ed ports on Tuesday and again just now after the breakage first manifested. Unfortunately there appears to be no maintainer for /usr/ports/graphics/gd. make output is attached. Thanks, Ceri -- Of course there's no reason for it, it's just our policy. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 7:23:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from aeon.tvd.be (aeon.tvd.be [195.162.196.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AC337B443; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cocaine.cryolabs.net (cable-213-132-150-78.upc.chello.be [213.132.150.78]) by aeon.tvd.be (8.9.3/8.9.3/RELAY-1.1) with ESMTP id QAA09947; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:23:40 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:22:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Wouter Van Hemel To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Branching www/ for XML development In-Reply-To: <20010927132714.E31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: PGP: 0B B4 BC 28 53 62 FE 94 6A 57 EE B8 A6 E2 1B E4 (0xAA5412F0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Nik Clayton wrote: > Before we go much further on this, I've put up some samples at > > http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/xml-test/ > The layout is divided more even, I like it, it looks more balanced than that big scary right-hand column that's taking over the current homepage. Did you plan to have this layout on all pages, also e.g. the handbook and release-specific contents (announcement, errata, ...)? > This is actually pretty easy to do. We just change the stylesheet, and > generate a new set of pages with a different, simpler, stylesheet. > Providing a "Print this page" link on each page would be trivial. > True. Maybe it'd be usefull to have a different header for documentation and specific data ('printable'), as opposed to pure web-specific and redirecting pages; perhaps a bar like the one that's on most pages now, but featuring documentation-related links such as the print command you suggested. Who design these graphics usually (just curious)? > N > -- > FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ > FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ > > --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- > / wouter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 7:29:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from relay3-gui.server.ntli.net (relay3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.4.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BB837B447; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc1-card3-0-cust220.cdf.cable.ntl.com ([62.252.49.220] helo=rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net ident=exim) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 15mcA2-0006iZ-00; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:29:10 +0100 Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 15mc9l-000J49-00; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:28:53 +0100 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:28:53 +0100 From: setantae To: setantae Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Breakage in /usr/ports/textproc/docproj Message-ID: <20010927152853.A73281@rhadamanth> References: <20010927151928.A73173@rhadamanth> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010927151928.A73173@rhadamanth>; from setantae@submonkey.net on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 03:19:29PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 03:19:29PM +0100, setantae wrote: > > make output is attached. > Ack! It is now. Ceri -- keep a mild groove on --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="docproj.breakage" root@rhadamanth usr# cd ports/textproc/docproj/ root@rhadamanth docproj# make JADETEX=yes install clean ===> Extracting for docproj-1.9 >> No MD5 checksum file. ===> Patching for docproj-1.9 ===> Configuring for docproj-1.9 ===> Installing for docproj-1.9 ===> docproj-1.9 depends on executable: instant - found ===> docproj-1.9 depends on executable: tidy - found ===> docproj-1.9 depends on file: /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular - found ===> docproj-1.9 depends on file: /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog - found ===> docproj-1.9 depends on file: /usr/local/share/sgml/linuxdoc - found ===> docproj-1.9 depends on file: /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/docbook.dtd - found ===> docproj-1.9 depends on file: /usr/local/share/sgml/iso8879 - found ===> docproj-1.9 depends on file: /usr/local/share/xml/dtd/xhtml/xhtml.soc - found ===> docproj-1.9 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/peps - found ===> docproj-1.9 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/pngtopnm - found ===> docproj-1.9 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/links - found ===> docproj-1.9 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/xsltproc - found ===> docproj-1.9 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/scr2png - not found ===> Verifying install for /usr/local/bin/scr2png in /usr/ports/graphics/scr2png ===> Extracting for scr2png-1.1 >> Checksum OK for scr2png-1.1.tar.gz. ===> scr2png-1.1 depends on shared library: gd.2 - not found ===> Verifying install for gd.2 in /usr/ports/graphics/gd If you want to compile in X support use 'make -DWITH_X11' instead ===> Extracting for gd-1.8.4_3 >> Checksum OK for gd-1.8.4.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for gd_gif_in.c.bz2. ===> gd-1.8.4_3 depends on shared library: png.5 - found ===> gd-1.8.4_3 depends on shared library: jpeg.9 - found ===> gd-1.8.4_3 depends on shared library: freetype - found bzip2 -d < /usr/ports/distfiles//gd_gif_in.c.bz2 > /usr/ports/graphics/gd/work/gd-1.8.4/gd_gif_in.c ===> Patching for gd-1.8.4_3 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for gd-1.8.4_3 ===> Configuring for gd-1.8.4_3 ===> Building for gd-1.8.4_3 cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gd.c cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gd_gd.c cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gd_gd2.c cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gd_io.c cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gd_io_dp.c cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gd_io_file.c cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gd_ss.c cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gd_io_ss.c cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gd_png.c cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gd_jpeg.c cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gdxpm.c cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gdfontt.c cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gdfonts.c cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gdfontmb.c cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gdfontl.c cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gdfontg.c cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gdtables.c cc -I. -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/X11R6/include/freetype2 -I /usr/X11R6/include -O -DHAVE_LIBPNG -DHAVE_LIBJPEG -DHAVE_LIBFREETYPE -c gdft.c In file included from gdft.c:37: /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:86: syntax error before `FT_Library' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:88: syntax error before `FT_Glyph_Format' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:127: syntax error before `FT_Int' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:163: syntax error before `FT_Outline' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:185: syntax error before `FT_Get_Glyph' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:185: syntax error before `slot' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:186: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:207: syntax error before `FT_Glyph_Copy' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:208: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:236: syntax error before `FT_Glyph_Transform' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:237: syntax error before `FT_Matrix' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:238: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:314: syntax error before `FT_Glyph_Get_CBox' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:315: syntax error before `FT_UInt' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:316: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:390: syntax error before `FT_Glyph_To_Bitmap' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:391: syntax error before `FT_ULong' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:393: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:407: syntax error before `FT_Done_Glyph' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:407: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:437: syntax error before `FT_Matrix_Multiply' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:437: syntax error before `*' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:438: warning: data definition has no type or storage class /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:456: syntax error before `FT_Matrix_Invert' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:456: syntax error before `*' /usr/X11R6/include/freetype2/freetype/ftglyph.h:456: warning: data definition has no type or storage class gdft.c:81: syntax error before `FT_Library' gdft.c:92: syntax error before `FT_Library' gdft.c: In function `fontFetch': gdft.c:307: syntax error before `err' gdft.c:313: structure has no member named `library' gdft.c:313: structure has no member named `library' gdft.c:354: `err' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:354: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once gdft.c:354: for each function it appears in.) gdft.c:354: structure has no member named `library' gdft.c:354: structure has no member named `face' gdft.c:363: structure has no member named `have_char_map_unicode' gdft.c:364: structure has no member named `have_char_map_big5' gdft.c:365: structure has no member named `have_char_map_sjis' gdft.c:366: structure has no member named `have_char_map_apple_roman' gdft.c:367: structure has no member named `face' gdft.c:368: `charmap' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:368: structure has no member named `face' gdft.c:375: structure has no member named `have_char_map_unicode' gdft.c:376: `found' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:379: structure has no member named `have_char_map_big5' gdft.c:383: structure has no member named `have_char_map_sjis' gdft.c:388: structure has no member named `have_char_map_apple_roman' gdft.c: In function `fontRelease': gdft.c:405: structure has no member named `face' gdft.c: At top level: gdft.c:466: syntax error before `FT_Bitmap' gdft.c: In function `gdft_draw_bitmap': gdft.c:482: `fg' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:483: `im' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:484: `bitmap' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:486: `pen_y' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:492: `ft_pixel_mode_grays' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:502: `ft_pixel_mode_mono' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:510: `pen_x' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c: In function `gdImageStringFT': gdft.c:541: syntax error before `ur_x' gdft.c:548: syntax error before `slot' gdft.c:563: syntax error before `library' gdft.c:566: `library' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:576: structure has no member named `library' gdft.c:581: `face' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:581: structure has no member named `face' gdft.c:582: `slot' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:584: `FT_F26Dot6' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:589: `matrix' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:589: `FT_Fixed' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:594: `pen' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:596: `use_kerning' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:597: `previous' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:599: `advance_x' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:599: `advance_y' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:602: structure has no member named `have_char_map_sjis' gdft.c:640: structure has no member named `have_char_map_unicode' gdft.c:644: structure has no member named `have_char_map_sjis' gdft.c:687: `glyph_index' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:692: `ft_kerning_default' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:692: `delta' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:697: `err' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:697: `FT_LOAD_RENDER' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:721: `ll_x' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:722: `ll_y' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:723: `ur_x' undeclared (first use in this function) gdft.c:724: `ur_y' undeclared (first use in this function) *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/gd/work/gd-1.8.4. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/gd. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/gd. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/gd. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/gd. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/scr2png. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/scr2png. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/scr2png. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/scr2png. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/scr2png. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/scr2png. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/scr2png. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/textproc/docproj. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/textproc/docproj. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/textproc/docproj. root@rhadamanth docproj# --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 7:32:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ringworld.nanolink.com (straylight.ringlet.net [217.75.134.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CD4337B43E for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12414 invoked by uid 1000); 27 Sep 2001 14:25:21 -0000 Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 17:25:21 +0300 From: Peter Pentchev To: setantae Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Breakage in /usr/ports/textproc/docproj Message-ID: <20010927172521.A658@ringworld.oblivion.bg> Mail-Followup-To: setantae , doc@FreeBSD.org, ports@FreeBSD.org References: <20010927151928.A73173@rhadamanth> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010927151928.A73173@rhadamanth>; from setantae@submonkey.net on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 03:19:29PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 03:19:29PM +0100, setantae wrote: > > /usr/ports/graphics/gd and hence /usr/ports/textproc/docproj is broken. > > I cvsup'ed ports on Tuesday and again just now after the breakage first > manifested. > > Unfortunately there appears to be no maintainer for /usr/ports/graphics/gd. > > make output is attached. Maybe you should actually attach it? :) G'luck, Peter -- The rest of this sentence is written in Thailand, on To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 7:52:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0037237B430; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 07:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8REjTY05922; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:45:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:45:29 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Wouter Van Hemel Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Branching www/ for XML development Message-ID: <20010927154529.G31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010927132714.E31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UkokfXldvRlmz8/+" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from wvhemel@vub.ac.be on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:22:28PM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --UkokfXldvRlmz8/+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:22:28PM +0200, Wouter Van Hemel wrote: > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Nik Clayton wrote: >=20 > > Before we go much further on this, I've put up some samples at > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/xml-test/ > > >=20 > The layout is divided more even, I like it, it looks more balanced than > that big scary right-hand column that's taking over the current homepage. >=20 > Did you plan to have this layout on all pages, also e.g. the handbook and > release-specific contents (announcement, errata, ...)? My plan is for it to happen to almost all pages.=20 It won't happen for anything under the doc/ tree (so that includes the FAQ= =20 and Handbook). It also won't happen to anything output by CGI scripts, at least, not without rewriting some of them. That's on the list of things to do, but it's pretty low priority. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --UkokfXldvRlmz8/+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEUEARECAAYFAjuzO4kACgkQk6gHZCw343VwQgCY0iIfK0PVZc0g0kzBAbkHB94N PgCeKO08EvKTV0t66Z0IyEz2XP0SCe4= =Girt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UkokfXldvRlmz8/+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 8:30: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8378B37B440 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8RFU0t48937; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521F437B416 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8RFStO48749; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:28:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200109271528.f8RFStO48749@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:28:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Douglas De Couto To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/30873: ``ip'' man page does not specify byte order for ip header with raw sockets Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 30873 >Category: docs >Synopsis: ``ip'' man page does not specify byte order for ip header with raw sockets >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Sep 27 08:30:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Douglas De Couto >Release: 4.3 >Organization: MIT LCS >Environment: FreeBSD bermuda.lcs.mit.edu 4.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE #0: Wed Sep 19 11:25:11 EDT 2001 decouto@bermuda.lcs.mit.edu:/usr/src/sys/compile/PDOS-BERMUDA i386 >Description: There is no easy way to use the man pages figure out how to use raw sockets. On my system ``apropos raw'' doesn't point me to the ``ip'' man page, which describes raw sockets. Furthermor, the ``ip'' man page doesn't specify the byte order for the up header fields when the user is supplying the ip header. >How-To-Repeat: man ip apropos raw >Fix: 1. mention the required byte order in the ``ip'' man page 2. put the word ``raw'' somewhere in the title of the ``ip'' man page >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 8:40:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1542B37B496 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8RFe6H50096; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:40:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 08:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109271540.f8RFe6H50096@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Ruslan Ermilov Subject: Re: docs/30873: ``ip'' man page does not specify byte order for ip header with raw sockets Reply-To: Ruslan Ermilov Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/30873; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Douglas De Couto Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/30873: ``ip'' man page does not specify byte order for ip header with raw sockets Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:39:12 +0300 On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 08:28:55AM -0700, Douglas De Couto wrote: > > There is no easy way to use the man pages figure out how to use raw sockets. > On my system ``apropos raw'' doesn't point me to the ``ip'' man page, > which describes raw sockets. Furthermor, the ``ip'' man page doesn't > specify the byte order for the up header fields when the user is supplying > the ip header. > Hmm, the ip.4 manpage, in the ``Raw IP Sockets'' has this info in the form of an example. The only missing item is that the ``ip_id'' field (if supplied) should be in network byte order, historically. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 9:10: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFA637B408 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8RGA2T57574; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109271610.f8RGA2T57574@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: "Douglas S. J. De Couto" Subject: Re: docs/30873: ``ip'' man page does not specify byte order for ip header with raw sockets Reply-To: "Douglas S. J. De Couto" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/30873; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Douglas S. J. De Couto" To: ru@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/30873: ``ip'' man page does not specify byte order for ip header with raw sockets Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:00:20 -0400 (EDT) > > > > There is no easy way to use the man pages figure out how to use raw sockets. > > On my system ``apropos raw'' doesn't point me to the ``ip'' man page, > > which describes raw sockets. Furthermor, the ``ip'' man page doesn't > > specify the byte order for the up header fields when the user is supplying > > the ip header. > > > Hmm, the ip.4 manpage, in the ``Raw IP Sockets'' has this info > in the form of an example. The only missing item is that the > ``ip_id'' field (if supplied) should be in network byte order, > historically. true it has the information, but it would be nice if ``apropos raw'' pointed you to this manpage. also, i guess maybe solaris wants the ip header in network byte order (from looking at the traceroute source), so it wouldn't hurt to clarify? it would have helped me anyway. thanks, d -- Douglas S. J. De Couto decouto@lcs.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 11:52: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from welshfantasyfootball.com (host48.tns.co.uk [194.152.91.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 645F337B416 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:52:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "Claire" To: Subject: Cash Prizes Win! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:50:09 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20010927185200.645F337B416@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To all our fans!! Welsh Fantasy Football has paid your entrance fee to the WELSH FANTASY FOOTBALL GAME 2001 Go to www.welshfantasyfootball.com you have to be in it to WIN it!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 14:10:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from holly.dyndns.org (adsl-208-191-149-20.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [208.191.149.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD62737B40C; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.dyndns.org (8.11.4/8.9.3) id f8RL9hV41885; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:09:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:09:43 -0500 From: Chris Costello To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Gary W. Swearingen" , Jun Kuriyama , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Branching www/ for XML development Message-ID: <20010927160943.A41373@holly.calldei.com> Reply-To: chris@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010921001517.N1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010922113521.W1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010925173240.F31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <7m1ykud8oh.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <20010926125652.S31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010927132714.E31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010927132714.E31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 01:27:14PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, September 27, 2001, Nik Clayton wrote: > This is actually pretty easy to do. We just change the stylesheet, and > generate a new set of pages with a different, simpler, stylesheet. > Providing a "Print this page" link on each page would be trivial. In the case of status reports, for example (and probably the only example), will the stylesheets need to simply be aware of the style of the Web pages, or (more appropriately in my opinion) generate XML files in the style of your layout, e.g. Status Report
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whose output is _then_ converted to HTML? Or have you got something entirely different in mind? -- +-------------------+------------------------------------------------+ | Chris Costello | How was Thomas J. Watson buried? 9 edge down. | | chris@FreeBSD.org | | +-------------------+------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 14:37: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from c527597-a.cstvl1.sfba.home.com (c527597-a.cstvl1.sfba.home.com [24.176.204.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B9837B401; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by c527597-a.cstvl1.sfba.home.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8RLafY56104; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:36:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200109272136.f8RLafY56104@c527597-a.cstvl1.sfba.home.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Stephane.Legrand@bigfoot.com Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, www@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: About the new HTML files in www/en/releases/4.4R/ In-Reply-To: <20010926033911.B513@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> References: <20010925000748.E448@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> <200109242233.f8OMXC093762@c527597-a.cstvl1.sfba.home.com> <20010926033911.B513@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> Comments: In-reply-to Stephane Legrand message dated "Wed, 26 Sep 2001 03:39:12 +0200." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-972057479P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:36:41 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-972057479P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Stephane Legrand wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 03:33:12PM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > Let me clarify why i asked this question. I'm participating to the > french translation of the www pages and it's extremely useful to > have a version number for each files because you can then easily > track the translations out of sync. If you can assure me that this > current version number will be modified each time the HTML file is > modified (no matter if article.sgml was modified or not), then > that's perfectly fine because i can use this version number as i > already use the ones in the SGML files. OK. I can say with some confidence that the only time that I will go to modify (for example) errata.html is if the article.sgml file that generated it was modified. Since the version number in the page gets changed every time this happens, then you should be able to use this. > I hope you can understand my point of view despite my english :-) Your English is most excellent and much better than my French (despite having taken four years of French in high school). > > > - the fact that the HTML files are no more generated makes difficult > > > any design changes. For instance, i can't add a navigation bar in > > > these pages without directly modifying the files. With SGML, the > > > &header; entity allows this without any change in the original > > > file. Any chance to revert to SGML format ? > > > > I found the old method (drop ASCII text in the middle of SGML) to be > > extremely inconvenient for updating the errata. I'm open to > > alternatives that don't make me do this. > > Could it be possible to have something like (an example with errata) : > > > 2001/09/04 20:51:42 bmah Exp $"> > > %includes; > ]> > > > > &header; > ... > current HTML content without any change > ... > &footer; > > > > ie basically embed the HTML body in a standard SGML "skeleton". > So, the current HTML content is preserved but the SGML entities > are preserved too. > > Is it easily feasible ? Hmmm...I don't know. I'd still like to avoid any modifications to the HTML at all (i.e. headers, footers, etc.) with respect to what a user might find in a RELEASE or a snapshot. But perhaps I'm being lazy, and I freely admit that I am not the best qualified person when it comes to Web site design, so other opinions are welcome (especially, BTW, from those participating in the XML thread on -doc@). Here's another thought. It makes you do a little more work but you do gain something in the end. Instead of translating the HTML renderings of the errata, release notes, etc., what about translating the SGML that produced them? We can put these in src/release/doc/fr_FR.ISO8859-1 in a parallel structure with the rest of the release documentation. This gets you a set of release documentation that can be printed, converted to HTML, or whatever else. The HTML can be used (either directly or indirectly) in the Web site. I can help with setting up the infrastructure for this. It's related, but not identical, to the point we're discussing about the formatting. Bruce. --==_Exmh_-972057479P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7s5vp2MoxcVugUsMRAu3IAKCoP8uyMgo/OZkfd1/AYRtjFXtPtwCaAsh3 3Ep1QbobM2lWid2RNJxoEjo= =MFda -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-972057479P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 15: 5:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from welshfantasyfootball.com (host48.tns.co.uk [194.152.91.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4065537B40E for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:05:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Claire" To: Subject: Cash Prizes Win! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:03:50 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20010927220542.4065537B40E@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To all our fans!! Welsh Fantasy Football has paid your entrance fee to the WELSH FANTASY FOOTBALL GAME 2001 Go to www.welshfantasyfootball.com you have to be in it to WIN it!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 15:52:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C336137B40F; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8RMols61209; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:50:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 23:50:47 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Chris Costello Cc: Nik Clayton , "Gary W. Swearingen" , Jun Kuriyama , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Branching www/ for XML development Message-ID: <20010927235047.B36549@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010921001517.N1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010922113521.W1162@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010925173240.F31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <7m1ykud8oh.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <20010926125652.S31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010927132714.E31744@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010927160943.A41373@holly.calldei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kXdP64Ggrk/fb43R" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010927160943.A41373@holly.calldei.com>; from chris@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:09:43PM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --kXdP64Ggrk/fb43R Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 04:09:43PM -0500, Chris Costello wrote: > On Thursday, September 27, 2001, Nik Clayton wrote: > > This is actually pretty easy to do. We just change the stylesheet, and > > generate a new set of pages with a different, simpler, stylesheet. > > Providing a "Print this page" link on each page would be trivial. >=20 > In the case of status reports, for example (and probably the only > example), will the stylesheets need to simply be aware of the > style of the Web pages, or (more appropriately in my opinion) > generate XML files in the style of your layout, e.g. The latter. Here's the XSL I used to generate http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/xml-test/news/press.html Note the bit of code that does the=20 ... That's all that was needed to create the list of "Web links" on the aforementioned press.html page. Note that this .xsl file is a sample work in progress, and doesn't take in to account some of the things I brought up in my earlier note. N =20 =09 <xsl:value-of select=3D"$title"/>

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    • --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --kXdP64Ggrk/fb43R Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjuzrUcACgkQk6gHZCw343UH2wCfdeyXCTjvZ8xKC1hgGcdQg5Zr X5YAniIYhdE4fPKuqIedjGxoA3jJiqi3 =U2cm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kXdP64Ggrk/fb43R-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 19: 5:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ariel.phys.wesleyan.edu (ariel.phys.wesleyan.edu [129.133.95.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B777537B408 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 19:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ariel.phys.wesleyan.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4624A1EA303 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:05:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Vladimir Savichev X-X-Sender: To: Subject: building doc Message-ID: <20010927200308.G47422-100000@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I found that my FreeBSD docs: handbook etc haven't been updated since last April 4.3 overhaul. The way I do it cvsup && make world && mergemaster. As far as I understand I have to uncommet someth. in make.conf and install jade. Is that it ? --Vlad To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Sep 27 21:41:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from heaven.gigo.com (gigo.com [207.173.11.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A64D37B40D for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 200.181.48.44 (unknown [200.181.48.44]) by heaven.gigo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0AEB881 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 78781 invoked by uid 1001); 28 Sep 2001 04:41:12 -0000 From: "Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira" Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 01:40:50 -0300 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: question Message-ID: <20010928014050.A78769@exxodus.fedaykin.here> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Should be used for every occurence of a given one or just the first in a document? If the former, does the following patch to doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/colophon.sgml applies? Regards, --- doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/colophon.sgml.orig Thu Sep 27 23:56:11 2001 +++ doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/colophon.sgml Thu Sep 27 23:56:27 2001 @@ -11,7 +11,7 @@ different presentation formats using Jade, an open source DSSSL engine. Norm Walsh's DSSSL stylesheets were used with an additional customization layer to provide the presentation - instructions for Jade. + instructions for Jade.