From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jan 21 6: 8:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from chintmg9.corp.quakeroats.com (chifw.quakeroats.com [207.122.210.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D9437B401 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 06:08:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by chintmg9.corp.quakeroats.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) id ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 08:10:59 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Thompson, Scott" To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: firewall for 500MHz internet connection Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 08:10:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org what sort of pentium III based-system would allow one to run IPFW and NATD to firewall a 500MHz internet connection? is there a prefered gigabit ethernet card for this? would a 32-bit/33MHz PCI bus do or would i need to go to a higher speed and or width. i am thinking of using an ASUS CUR-DLS, but would a ABIT BX133 do just as well for less money? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 22 2:50:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from spammie.svbug.com (unknown [198.79.110.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E311E37B400; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 02:50:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from spammie.svbug.com (localhost.mozie.org [127.0.0.1]) by spammie.svbug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01342; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 02:47:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jessem@spammie.mozie.org) Message-Id: <200101221047.CAA01342@spammie.svbug.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 02:47:47 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com Reply-To: opentrax@email.com Subject: Re: Problem With My Modem To: jakerivera@ameritech.net Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <000801c0834b$293503e0$91a0b3c7@w4m4k1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've forwarded your question to 'questions' and 'hardware' You have a better chance of an answer there. On 20 Jan, Jake Rivera wrote: > My Modem is connnected to COM5(U.S.Robotics PCI Pro) what is it in FreeBSD and how can I install it to work To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 22 17:20:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE96637B402; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:20:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeppo.feral.com (IDENT:mjacob@zeppo [192.67.166.71]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08963; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:20:22 -0800 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:20:22 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Lars Eggert , Jan Chrillesen Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, usenet@tdk.net Subject: Intel wiseman and livengood Gig support stuff. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A couple of things.... There was a bug fixed post 4.2 release that showed up with problems in promiscuous mode... Secondly, I just discovered that the Livengood chipset actually remapped a lot of interesting registers different places. Why I thought things were working at all is a mystery to me as I was scribbling into what are 'reserved' registers for Livengood. I don't know *how* I got any of the LIVENGOOD boards to work at all before. Yuck. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jan 22 17:34:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.originative.co.uk (mailgate.originative.co.uk [62.232.68.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D116837B400 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:33:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebsd-services.co.uk (lobster.originative.co.uk [62.232.68.81]) by mailgate.originative.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5841D149 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:33:49 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <3A6CDFB7.6D1F11B1@freebsd-services.co.uk> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:34:47 +0000 From: Paul Richards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: low profile PCI modems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone know of any low profile PCI modems and ISDN cards that are supported in FreeBSD? Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 23 8: 5:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from chintmg9.corp.quakeroats.com (chifw.quakeroats.com [207.122.210.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E9737B6A4 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:05:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by chintmg9.corp.quakeroats.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) id ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:08:32 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Thompson, Scott" To: "'freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: firewall for 500MHz internet connection Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:08:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.35) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i know that this is probably a dumb question, but: what sort of pentium III based-system would allow one to run IPFW and NATD to firewall a 500MHz internet connection? is there a prefered gigabit ethernet card for this? would a 32-bit/33MHz PCI bus do or would i need to go to a higher speed and or width. i am thinking of using an ASUS CUR-DLS, but would a ABIT BX133 do just as well for less money? i only have experience with pentium and 486 based freeebsd systems running 10baseT. this is my first commercial use. thank you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 23 12:19:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub1.rjf.com (mailhub1.rjf.com [170.12.128.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE9B37B401; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:18:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from goldfish3.rjf.com by mailhub1.rjf.com with ESMTP; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:15:35 -0500 Received: by GOLDFISH3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:17:11 -0500 Message-Id: <6D5097D4B56AD31190D50008C7B1579BC97E1B@exlan5.rjf.com> From: Ian Cartwright To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org'" Subject: Linksys KVM and MS Intellipoint Explorer Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:18:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, I recently bought a MS Intellipoint Explorer mouse to replace my Logitech MoseMan Wireless. In the past, the Mouseman has worked flawlessly with my Linksys 4 port KVM and my three machines (two FreeBSD and one Windows). After I got the Intellipoint and installed the software (on Windows) and rebooted my FreeBSD box (so psm would detect the new hardware) I am having problems with the Intellipoint on FreeBSD. It works great in Windows though. In FreeBSD the mouse is detected fine and there are no problems running moused or XFree86 (with or without moused). But the mouse pointer is very erratic and seems to act in a random manner. However, I am not getting any "psm out of sync" messages. I've read the man pages for moused and psm and I haven't been able to see anything that is out of whack on my system. Does anyone have any suggestions? Relevant System info: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE (build world on Jan 20) Ian Cartwright Senior Network Engineer Raymond James & Associates icartwright@it.rjf.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 23 18:37:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from demai05.mw.mediaone.net (demai05.mw.mediaone.net [24.131.1.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5AB37B402; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:37:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ian.batcave.com (nic-131-c233-239.mw.mediaone.net [24.131.233.239]) by demai05.mw.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA17410; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:37:17 -0500 (EST) From: Ian Cartwright Reply-To: icartwright@mediaone.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: MS Intellimouse Explorer Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:37:20 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01012321372000.00702@ian.batcave.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone out there had any luck with the Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer and FreeBSD? Are there any special settings for using it in either the console or X? I recently got one, but it jumps all over the screen. I've read man pages for psm and moused and tried a few different tactics to make it work with no luck... Anyone able to make it work? Anyone having the same problem? Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 23 18:50:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from www.kinnee.net (www.kinnee.net [207.13.31.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DBAF37B698; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by www.kinnee.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 578BB312; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:49:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:49:12 -0600 From: Erick Kinnee To: Ian Cartwright Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MS Intellimouse Explorer Message-ID: <20010123204912.B49267@www.kinnee.net> References: <01012321372000.00702@ian.batcave.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01012321372000.00702@ian.batcave.com>; from icartwright@mediaone.net on Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 09:37:20PM -0500 X-No-Archive: yes Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 09:37:20PM -0500, Ian Cartwright wrote: > Has anyone out there had any luck with the Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer > and FreeBSD? Are there any special settings for using it in either the > console or X? I recently got one, but it jumps all over the screen. I've read > man pages for psm and moused and tried a few different tactics to make it > work with no luck... > > Anyone able to make it work? Anyone having the same problem? > If it's a USB one try the following. Not sure if the Intellimouse Explorer is anything but USB. rc.conf: usbd_enable="YES" moused_enable="YES" moused_type="auto" moused_port="/dev/ums0" XF86Config for 4.0.2: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Resolution" "200" Option "Protocol" "MouseSystems" # Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" # Option "Buttons" "5" Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" EndSection -- Steele's Plagiarism of Somebody's Philosophy: Everybody should believe in something -- I believe I'll have another drink. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 23 19:30:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3985B37B402; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:29:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA54427; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:29:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:29:38 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Ian Cartwright Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MS Intellimouse Explorer In-Reply-To: <01012321372000.00702@ian.batcave.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Ian Cartwright wrote: > Has anyone out there had any luck with the Microsoft Intellimouse > Explorer and FreeBSD? Are there any special settings for using it > in either the console or X? I recently got one, but it jumps all > over the screen. I've read man pages for psm and moused and tried > a few different tactics to make it work with no luck... > > Anyone able to make it work? Anyone having the same problem? You mentioned you were using a KVM switch in another message... I'm using a MS Intellimouse Optical at work, which uses the same protocol as the Explorer. I had problems using it with my 4-port Belkin KVM switch, so I finally had to attach the Intellimouse Optical directly to my FreeBSD box (using PS/2, not USB, though it works fine either way) and use another mouse for the KVM switch for the other systems. One monitor, one keyboard and two mice still beats four monitors, four keyboards, and four mice. :-) -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For IA32 and Alpha architectures. IA64, PPC, and ARM under development. http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 23 22: 2:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cs4.cs.ait.ac.th (cs4.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E4C37B402 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:02:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by cs4.cs.ait.ac.th (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18755 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:02:19 +0700 (GMT+0700) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17539; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:02:23 +0700 (ICT) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:02:23 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200101240602.NAA17539@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Authentication-Warning: banyan.cs.ait.ac.th: on set sender to on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th using -f From: Olivier Nicole To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Panic at setup time Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have a brand new PC based on a motherboard AOPEN MX6B EZ, Pentium III 700 MHz, 128 MB RAM, with a disk Western Digital ATA 33, 10 Gbytes and a network card 3Com 905C. The machine panic when I am trying to install FreeBSD 4.2. I suspect it is an hardware problem, any help on what to check will be welcome. Thank you, Olivier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Jan 23 22:14: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from anaconda.acceleratedweb.net (anaconda.acceleratedweb.net [209.51.164.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 574F437B401 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:13:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 48744 invoked by uid 106); 24 Jan 2001 06:19:05 -0000 Received: from 24-168-46-57.nyc.rr.com (HELO sharky) (24.168.46.57) by anaconda.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2001 06:19:05 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Olivier Nicole" Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:18:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <200101240602.NAA17539@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Panic at setup time Message-Id: <20010124061350.574F437B401@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Provide more information... at what point does it fail exactly? do you have some spare sparts to swap? you might want to swap with parts and try installing again. -Simon On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:02:23 +0700 (ICT), Olivier Nicole wrote: > >Hello, > >I have a brand new PC based on a motherboard AOPEN MX6B EZ, Pentium >III 700 MHz, 128 MB RAM, with a disk Western Digital ATA 33, 10 Gbytes >and a network card 3Com 905C. > >The machine panic when I am trying to install FreeBSD 4.2. > >I suspect it is an hardware problem, any help on what to check will be >welcome. > >Thank you, > >Olivier > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 1:16:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.research.kpn.com (hermes.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA01737B402 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:16:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by research.kpn.com (PMDF V5.2-31 #42699) with ESMTP id <01JZA5RPA20Y000662@research.kpn.com> for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:16:27 +0100 Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:16:26 +0100 Content-return: allowed Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:16:26 +0100 From: "Koster, K.J." Subject: RE: Panic at setup time To: 'Olivier Nicole' Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D7B4A@l04.research.kpn.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Oliver, > > I have a brand new PC based on a motherboard AOPEN MX6B EZ, > Pentium III 700 MHz, 128 MB RAM, with a disk Western Digital > ATA 33, 10 Gbytes and a network card 3Com 905C. > Try taking out hardware and reinstalling. E.g. remove the 3com and if you have several DIMMs to make up the 128Mb remove all but one. If you have only one DIMM, return it to the vendor and ask for a replacement of 2x64Mb, so you can do the pull-one-DIMM trick in case future failures and so you can run the machine with 1/2 memory in case a DIMM breaks on sunday. :-) (been there, done that) If you have an old PC lying around, try replacing the video board. What's the panic message? Kees Jan PS. Why on earth did you buy an ATA33 board? ATA66 costs nothing extra these days, and with 128MB RAM you box is very likely to be disk-bound. (Mine is) ================================================ You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 10:47:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53BBE37B400 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:47:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA67353; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:47:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:47:10 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: "Koster, K.J." Cc: "'Olivier Nicole'" , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Panic at setup time In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E4522026D7B4A@l04.research.kpn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Koster, K.J. wrote: > PS. Why on earth did you buy an ATA33 board? ATA66 costs nothing > extra these days, and with 128MB RAM you box is very likely to be > disk-bound. (Mine is) Most drives still can't transfer more than 33MB/sec (there are just a couple that can), so what would it matter? We were buying only 440BX based systems up until about a month ago, and they only had ATA33 interfaces. We've recently gotten in some i815 based boards with the ATA100 interfaces, and there is very little noticeable difference in disk access times. There is a slight benchmarkable difference, but I doubt you could tell there was a difference without using the benchmark. Once drives can transfer significantly more than 33MB/sec (and I'm talking tens of megabytes more, at least), then you might notice a significant difference without having to use a benchmark. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For IA32 and Alpha architectures. IA64, PPC, and ARM under development. http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 10:50:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0725F37B402 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:50:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17325; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:49:54 -0800 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:49:55 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Chris Dillon Cc: "Koster, K.J." , "'Olivier Nicole'" , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Panic at setup time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "shared bus" is the hint here... On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Chris Dillon wrote: > On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Koster, K.J. wrote: > > > PS. Why on earth did you buy an ATA33 board? ATA66 costs nothing > > extra these days, and with 128MB RAM you box is very likely to be > > disk-bound. (Mine is) > > Most drives still can't transfer more than 33MB/sec (there are just a > couple that can), so what would it matter? We were buying only 440BX > based systems up until about a month ago, and they only had ATA33 > interfaces. We've recently gotten in some i815 based boards with the > ATA100 interfaces, and there is very little noticeable difference in > disk access times. There is a slight benchmarkable difference, but I > doubt you could tell there was a difference without using the > benchmark. Once drives can transfer significantly more than 33MB/sec > (and I'm talking tens of megabytes more, at least), then you might > notice a significant difference without having to use a benchmark. > > > -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net > FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. > For IA32 and Alpha architectures. IA64, PPC, and ARM under development. > http://www.freebsd.org > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 12:15:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from equity.freerealtime.com (rampagemedia.com [209.67.31.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0D137B6A0 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:15:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from niko ([216.39.109.151]) by equity.freerealtime.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA24467 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:15:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Nikolaus Spence" To: Subject: RE: Panic at setup time Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:13:03 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <200101240602.NAA17539@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have had this happen to me a few times. In my cases the cause was one bad DIMM or that the system had been overclocked.d I don't know what anyone elses experiences are but I would never recommend overclocking a system running FreeBSD. Nikolaus -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Olivier Nicole Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 10:02 PM To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Panic at setup time Hello, I have a brand new PC based on a motherboard AOPEN MX6B EZ, Pentium III 700 MHz, 128 MB RAM, with a disk Western Digital ATA 33, 10 Gbytes and a network card 3Com 905C. The machine panic when I am trying to install FreeBSD 4.2. I suspect it is an hardware problem, any help on what to check will be welcome. Thank you, Olivier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 13:45:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0691B37B400 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:45:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA71267; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:44:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:44:51 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Matthew Jacob Cc: "Koster, K.J." , "'Olivier Nicole'" , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Panic at setup time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Matthew Jacob wrote: > "shared bus" is the hint here... Right, but it is only shared if you have more than one device on it. :-) Most home/office systems only have one IDE HD and one IDE CDROM, and if the system builder was smart, they put the HD on the primary channel and the CDROM on the secondary channel, so you wouldn't be sharing the busses. This was the type of system that I assume was being talked about. Even if the CDROM were on the primary, an ATA66/100 host interface wouldn't be any help in that situation, since the fastest interface I've seen on any IDE CDROM drive to date is ATA33. IIRC, that would cause the whole channel to revert to ATA33 mode regardless if another device supported a faster mode, right? If you had two modern HDs on the same channel that each supported ATA66 or ATA100, then having an ATA66 or ATA100 host interface would be an improvement over ATA33 if you planned on transferring a lot of data to/from both drives simultaneously. Otherwise, it wouldn't make any noticeable difference, IMHO. Basically what I'm trying to say is, just because a particular motherboard only has an ATA33 interface is not necessarily a reason to NOT buy it. That is why I made the comment in the first place. :-) -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For IA32 and Alpha architectures. IA64, PPC, and ARM under development. http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 13:48:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA9537B400 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:48:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18167; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:48:07 -0800 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:48:04 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Chris Dillon Cc: "Koster, K.J." , "'Olivier Nicole'" , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Panic at setup time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you're getting an extra card, which is what I thought *you* were talking about, I was ssuming server, not desktop. The newer IBM drives can do tagged operations, and in any case, you have dual channels- whether it's slave or master, the quicker you burst the data, the better. If the whole xfer is on drive cache, you want to move it as quickly as possibly (for reads), or you want to fill the drive cache as quickly as possible. Your latter comment I don't disagree with. On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Chris Dillon wrote: > On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > "shared bus" is the hint here... > > Right, but it is only shared if you have more than one device on > it. :-) > > Most home/office systems only have one IDE HD and one IDE CDROM, and > if the system builder was smart, they put the HD on the primary > channel and the CDROM on the secondary channel, so you wouldn't be > sharing the busses. This was the type of system that I assume was > being talked about. Even if the CDROM were on the primary, an > ATA66/100 host interface wouldn't be any help in that situation, since > the fastest interface I've seen on any IDE CDROM drive to date is > ATA33. IIRC, that would cause the whole channel to revert to ATA33 > mode regardless if another device supported a faster mode, right? If > you had two modern HDs on the same channel that each supported ATA66 > or ATA100, then having an ATA66 or ATA100 host interface would be an > improvement over ATA33 if you planned on transferring a lot of data > to/from both drives simultaneously. Otherwise, it wouldn't make any > noticeable difference, IMHO. > > Basically what I'm trying to say is, just because a particular > motherboard only has an ATA33 interface is not necessarily a reason to > NOT buy it. That is why I made the comment in the first place. :-) > > > -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net > FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. > For IA32 and Alpha architectures. IA64, PPC, and ARM under development. > http://www.freebsd.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 15:28: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7F237B402 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:27:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA72642; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:27:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:27:32 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Matthew Jacob Cc: "Koster, K.J." , "'Olivier Nicole'" , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Panic at setup time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Matthew Jacob wrote: > If you're getting an extra card, which is what I thought *you* > were talking about, I was ssuming server, not desktop. Sure, it wouldn't make much sense to buy a new ATA33 add-on card these days, unless it was just really cheap. But then again, there is no reason to buy a new ATA66 or ATA100 card if the interface you currently have is already fast enough, which is highly likely. > The newer IBM drives can do tagged operations, and in any case, > you have dual channels- whether it's slave or master, the quicker > you burst the data, the better. If the whole xfer is on drive > cache, you want to move it as quickly as possibly (for reads), or > you want to fill the drive cache as quickly as possible. Let me point out first that I'm not disagreeing with your statement above. It is completely true as it stands. :-) I realize that getting the data in and out of the drive cache fast is a good thing, but right now, the bottlenecks lie elsewhere, and the lower bus transfer latencies won't even put a dent in the total latency when you figure all of the other much greater latencies that are part of a typical transaction. IMHO, the ATA66 and especially the ATA100 interface was developed to play the marketing numbers game, in part to try to keep up with the ever-faster SCSI bus (which can potentially take some real advantage of the increases, unlike the horrible IDE/ATA/ATAPI architecture), and in part just because people think bigger numbers are cooler, not to remove some long-standing or even near-future bottleneck. However, we're not any worse off by having these interfaces, they certainly won't hurt performance. I just think they were designed to give you the feeling that you have something "really outdated and slow" if you don't have them, just as the processor wars do. I'm just trying to say don't go out of your way to get it, since it isn't worth the trouble, IMHO. If you happen to buy a new system with it, great. If the new system doesn't have it, no big loss. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For IA32 and Alpha architectures. IA64, PPC, and ARM under development. http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 15:32:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7504137B401 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:32:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18652; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:32:11 -0800 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:32:12 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Chris Dillon Cc: "Koster, K.J." , "'Olivier Nicole'" , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Panic at setup time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I'm just trying to say don't go out of your way to get it, since it > isn't worth the trouble, IMHO. If you happen to buy a new system with > it, great. If the new system doesn't have it, no big loss. Hmm. Not sure I entirely agree. I'd restate it as: "If the new system you're getting doesn't have UDMA66 or better- I hope you're getting this system at a discount. Otherwise, you're being taken advantage of as suppliers try and dump pretty old technology out of their inventories." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 15:40: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (flutter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673E237B401 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0ONcRl34963; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:38:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Chris Dillon Cc: Matthew Jacob , "Koster, K.J." , "'Olivier Nicole'" , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Panic at setup time In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:27:32 CST." Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:38:27 +0100 Message-ID: <34961.980379507@critter> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I realize that getting the data in and out of the drive cache fast is >a good thing, but right now, the bottlenecks lie elsewhere, and the >lower bus transfer latencies won't even put a dent in the total >latency when you figure all of the other much greater latencies that >are part of a typical transaction. IMHO, the ATA66 and especially the >ATA100 interface was developed to play the marketing numbers game, For the record this "marketing numbers game" has a several percent impact on my worldstones... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 15:49:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F9837B401 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:49:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA72936; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:49:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:49:28 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Matthew Jacob Cc: "Koster, K.J." , "'Olivier Nicole'" , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Panic at setup time In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > I'm just trying to say don't go out of your way to get it, since it > > isn't worth the trouble, IMHO. If you happen to buy a new system with > > it, great. If the new system doesn't have it, no big loss. > > Hmm. Not sure I entirely agree. > > I'd restate it as: > > "If the new system you're getting doesn't have UDMA66 or better- I > hope you're getting this system at a discount. Otherwise, you're > being taken advantage of as suppliers try and dump pretty old > technology out of their inventories." Err, well, not really. It doesn't have to be someone dumping old technology on you, it could be your choice, and for good reason. For example, you might want to buy a 440BX based board, which only have ATA33 support (unless the board maker adds a second ATA66/100 interface, but only a couple of BX boards actually have that), since the "old" 440BX still outruns the newer Intel chipsets in memory performance, among other things, and is definately the most mature chipset among them. We did exactly that up until we couldn't get our favorite BX-based board from our supplier anymore. That is also what prompted me to make the comment, since not only had I been reading in many places that ATA66/100 had shown very little humanly-noticeable difference, I got to experience the same thing first hand with our new ATA100 systems when comparing to our "old" ATA33 systems. :-) -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For IA32 and Alpha architectures. IA64, PPC, and ARM under development. http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 17:38:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cs4.cs.ait.ac.th (cs4.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234C437B404 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:38:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by cs4.cs.ait.ac.th (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23522 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:38:09 +0700 (GMT+0700) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA19332; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:38:11 +0700 (ICT) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:38:11 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200101250138.IAA19332@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Authentication-Warning: banyan.cs.ait.ac.th: on set sender to on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th using -f From: Olivier Nicole To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Matthew Jacob on Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:48:04 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: Panic at setup time References: Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wow, I was not thinking to generate such a thread... Thanks to all who sent me advices. It appreas that after moving the machine to another NOC room, it works more stable, so I do suspect a problem in the electrical power (ground loop?). This particular motherboard beening quite sensitive to bad grounding maybe. When I put the machine back at it's original destination, I will make sure to have it properly grounded (not using one of those loosy extension cord). Best regards, olivier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 19:19:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from blotto.phreak.net (blotto.phreak.net [207.250.188.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9B937B400 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from phreak.net (localhost.phreak.net [127.0.0.1]) by blotto.phreak.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7EFD19EE01 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:18:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from 207.250.188.69 (SquirrelMail authenticated user steve) by mail.phreak.net with HTTP; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:18:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <1755.207.250.188.69.980392735.squirrel@mail.phreak.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:18:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: AMI RAID cards From: "Steve Kaczkowski" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0pre2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all! Wondering what kind of experience people have had (or having) with the AMI RAID cards. Taking a look at Mike Smith's page (HI MIKE! :) ) it looks like a wide range of the cards are supported, but I'm looking for real deal information on how they actually perform speed wise and RAID wise. Specifically, I'm looking at the Express and the Elite series of cards so any and all information would be much appreciated! Thanks in advance! -- Steve Kaczkowski steve@phreak.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 19:56: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.betterbox.net (ns1.betterbox.net [209.83.132.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219AF37B402 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:55:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from BetterPC (exec.betterbox.net [209.83.132.94]) by ns1.betterbox.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f0P3tju81586 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:55:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Joong Hyun Kim" To: Subject: New Netgear Model GA620T gigabit cards installed, but slow speeds... any ideas? Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:00:42 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Our company just purchased two gigabit cards to speed up transfers from one unix file server to another unix backup server. Both systems are configured with fast harddrives and fast hardware. I will spare the details of the hardware since my focus is on the gigabit cards. Basically, we've used a Gigabit cross over (cat 5) cable. It seems to be working fine. We can ping back and forth between the two machines using the gigabit ethernet interfaces (ti). However, we're disappointed with our initial tests using ftp and nfs. They both seem to yield less than favorable results. The speeds are a bit slower than the two 10/100 Intel cards on both machines. Average transfer through the 10/100 Intel for a 600MByte file is around 6.14MBytes/sec. And the average transfer through the gigabit cards yielded about 5MBytes/sec. We were hoping for blazing speeds compared to the 100 Mbits/sec Intel cards. Any ideas on what may be slowing things down? Or are we just simply using the wrong software to test the gigabit connections? thanks, Joong Kim EPC, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 20:23:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from demai05.mw.mediaone.net (demai05.mw.mediaone.net [24.131.1.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD17137B402; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:22:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ian.batcave.com (nic-131-c233-239.mw.mediaone.net [24.131.233.239]) by demai05.mw.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA08861; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:22:52 -0500 (EST) From: Ian Cartwright Reply-To: icartwright@mediaone.net To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, wollman@FreeBSD.ORG, yakota@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MS Intellimouse Explorer Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:22:36 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" References: <01012321372000.00702@ian.batcave.com> In-Reply-To: <01012321372000.00702@ian.batcave.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01012423223600.00399@ian.batcave.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday 23 January 2001 09:37 pm, Ian Cartwright wrote: > Has anyone out there had any luck with the Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer > and FreeBSD? Are there any special settings for using it in either the > console or X? I recently got one, but it jumps all over the screen. I've > read man pages for psm and moused and tried a few different tactics to make > it work with no luck... > > Anyone able to make it work? Anyone having the same problem? > > Ian > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message Hello again! ;-) I have further info on this. I think I might need some help from a developer or two so if anyone sees this who might be interested in helping, let me know... I have tried the followinf to get this thing to work: Same mouse on different machine with FreeBSD (works fine!) (IBM PC 350GL) Same mouse on different machine with Windows98 (works fine!) (clone system w/ Abit KA7 motherboard). Same mouse on original machine machine as a USB mouse (works fine!) (clone system w/ Asus P2B motherboard) Same mouse on original system with Windows 98 (works fine!) Same mouse on original system with fresh install of FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE (doesn't work! same problem of erratic behavior) Different USB mouse plugged into USB to PS/2 adapter on original system (works fine!) (Logitech Wingman Gaming Mouse) I think I have tried everything I know how at this point. I have eliminated all possible hardware problems (I think) and eliminated any wierd -STABLE or compilation problems that might be on my system. I could start enabling debugging code for the psm driver, but I'm not sure I would know what to do with the debug messages... Can anyone out there lend a hand? Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 20:52:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.betterbox.net (ns1.betterbox.net [209.83.132.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CC137B400 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:52:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from BetterPC (exec.betterbox.net [209.83.132.94]) by ns1.betterbox.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f0P4qau81987 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:52:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Joong Hyun Kim" To: Subject: RE: New Netgear Model GA620T gigabit cards installed, but slow speeds... any ideas? Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:57:33 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks... I've found the problem. The hardware does play a major role. Looks like today's 32bit pci bus is only capable of doing 300 to 400MBits/sec. We had one box with Dual Xeon 500Mhz that was able to push close to 400MBits/sec... we've found this by using netpipe on it's own ti0 interface. The other machine only has Quad Pentium Pro 200Mhz machine... that's where the bottleneck showed about 80MBits/sec. According to 3Com, 64Bit PCI bus can push the gigabit ethernet even further. We are now looking into replacing the Quad Pentium Pro server with new hardware. :-) -Joong -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Joong Hyun Kim Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 10:01 PM To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: New Netgear Model GA620T gigabit cards installed, but slow speeds... any ideas? Our company just purchased two gigabit cards to speed up transfers from one unix file server to another unix backup server. Both systems are configured with fast harddrives and fast hardware. I will spare the details of the hardware since my focus is on the gigabit cards. Basically, we've used a Gigabit cross over (cat 5) cable. It seems to be working fine. We can ping back and forth between the two machines using the gigabit ethernet interfaces (ti). However, we're disappointed with our initial tests using ftp and nfs. They both seem to yield less than favorable results. The speeds are a bit slower than the two 10/100 Intel cards on both machines. Average transfer through the 10/100 Intel for a 600MByte file is around 6.14MBytes/sec. And the average transfer through the gigabit cards yielded about 5MBytes/sec. We were hoping for blazing speeds compared to the 100 Mbits/sec Intel cards. Any ideas on what may be slowing things down? Or are we just simply using the wrong software to test the gigabit connections? thanks, Joong Kim EPC, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 20:56:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2532C37B400 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:56:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id VAA24528; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:56:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:56:09 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Joong Hyun Kim Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New Netgear Model GA620T gigabit cards installed, but slow speeds... any ideas? Message-ID: <20010124215609.A24460@panzer.kdm.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from better@ns1.betterbox.net on Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 10:00:42PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 22:00:42 -0600, Joong Hyun Kim wrote: > Our company just purchased two gigabit cards to speed up transfers from one > unix file server to another unix backup server. Both systems are configured > with fast harddrives and fast hardware. I will spare the details of the > hardware since my focus is on the gigabit cards. > > Basically, we've used a Gigabit cross over (cat 5) cable. It seems to be > working fine. We can ping back and forth between the two machines using the > gigabit ethernet interfaces (ti). > > However, we're disappointed with our initial tests using ftp and nfs. They > both seem to yield less than favorable results. The speeds are a bit slower > than the two 10/100 Intel cards on both machines. Average transfer through > the 10/100 Intel for a 600MByte file is around 6.14MBytes/sec. And the > average transfer through the gigabit cards yielded about 5MBytes/sec. > > We were hoping for blazing speeds compared to the 100 Mbits/sec Intel cards. > Any ideas on what may be slowing things down? Or are we just simply using > the wrong software to test the gigabit connections? Well, first off, you should make sure you're using jumbo frames. i.e., set the MTU on either end to 9000 bytes (with ifconfig). Since you're using a crossover cable, you should have no problem with jumbo frames. (Not all switches support jumbo frames, so it might be a different story if you were going through a switch.) Second, ftp and NFS aren't the best performance benchmarks to try. I would suggest trying netperf, which is located in ports/benchmarks/netperf. Depending on the CPU power of the machines in question, I would expect at least 300Mbps performance, and possibly much more. Also, you'll probably want to increase your maximum TCP window size somewhat. Here are some parameters to tweak: sysctl -w net.inet.tcp.sendspace=262144 sysctl -w net.inet.tcp.recvspace=262144 sysctl -w net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 sysctl -w net.inet.udp.recvspace=65535 sysctl -w kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152 The 256K window size above seems to work best with 512K Tigon boards like the Netgear GA620's. If you've got a 1MB board, like the 3Com 3c985, 512K seems to work a little better, although 256K should work fine. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 21: 1:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AEAC37B401 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA24568; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:01:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:01:12 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Joong Hyun Kim Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New Netgear Model GA620T gigabit cards installed, but slow speeds... any ideas? Message-ID: <20010124220112.B24460@panzer.kdm.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from better@ns1.betterbox.net on Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 10:57:33PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 22:57:33 -0600, Joong Hyun Kim wrote: > Hi folks... I've found the problem. The hardware does play a major role. > Looks like today's 32bit pci bus is only capable of doing 300 to > 400MBits/sec. We had one box with Dual Xeon 500Mhz that was able to push > close to 400MBits/sec... we've found this by using netpipe on it's own ti0 > interface. > > The other machine only has Quad Pentium Pro 200Mhz machine... that's where > the bottleneck showed about 80MBits/sec. > > According to 3Com, 64Bit PCI bus can push the gigabit ethernet even further. > We are now looking into replacing the Quad Pentium Pro server with new > hardware. :-) It isn't really the PCI bus that's the bottleneck in your case, but rather the CPU. Since the kernel can only run on one processor at a time, you're effectively limited to one Pentium Pro 200's worth of bandwidth at any given time. I've gotten 760Mbps performance between two Pentium II 350's with Tigon boards. Both had 440BX chipsets and 32 bit PCI. But that was with zero copy TCP and checksum offloading. See: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~ken/zero_copy/ That said, using jumbo frames might increase the performance somewhat if you haven't already tried it. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 22:30:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from world.tonkinresolutions.com (233-123.adsl6.netlojix.net [207.71.233.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721F537B402; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:30:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from dingo.rlnt.net ([192.168.0.16]) by world.tonkinresolutions.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03941; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:30:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from publicn@rlnt.net) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010124222817.00a66ec0@rlnt.net> X-Sender: nick@rlnt.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:30:50 -0800 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org From: Nick Tonkin Subject: FreeBSD will not boot (after installing!) on HP NetServer SCSI disk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Can anyone verify Niekie's kind response to my enquiry as to FreeBSD not booting on an HP NetServer E 50? >I had a similar problem, till I replaced the 4.3Gb SCSI disk with a normal >seagate >disk. The drive geometry seems to be the problem. > >HP Drive: > >bytes/sector: 512 >sectors/track: 2 >tracks/cylinder: 91 >sectors/cylinder: 182 >cylinders: 45771 >sectors/unit: 8330502 > >Seagate Drive: >bytes/sector: 512 >sectors/track: 32 >tracks/cylinder: 64 >sectors/cylinder: 2048 >cylinders: 499 >sectors/unit: 1023968 > >I treid for days to get it working on the HP drive...no luck. The HP >works fine, >as long as you don't try to put your root/boot filesystems on it. > >Niekie Myburgh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Jan 24 23:37: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gabriel.schoolpeople.net (gabriel.schoolpeople.net [216.34.170.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D83C37B401 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 23:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from triangulata (cs2754-80.austin.rr.com [24.27.54.80]) by gabriel.schoolpeople.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA65243 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 01:36:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from brandon@schoolpeople.net) From: "Brandon DeYoung" To: "FreeBSDHW" Subject: Hard Drive cloning Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 01:46:47 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, Does anyone know of a good utility for cloning BSD harddrives? I've been using Norton Ghost on windows and Linux boxes...but it doesn't seem to deal with UFS very well. Thanks, ~brandon ...It don't mean a thing If you cain't get that ping... Brandon S. DeYoung Senior Engineer SchoolPeople (512) 796-4983 brandon@schoolpeople.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 25 0:18:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A4137B401 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:18:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20139; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:18:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:18:22 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Brandon DeYoung Cc: FreeBSDHW Subject: Re: Hard Drive cloning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For identical drives, dd should work. On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Brandon DeYoung wrote: > Hi all, > Does anyone know of a good utility for cloning BSD harddrives? I've been > using Norton Ghost on windows and Linux boxes...but it doesn't seem to deal > with UFS very well. > > Thanks, > ~brandon > > ...It don't mean a thing > If you cain't get that ping... > > Brandon S. DeYoung > Senior Engineer > SchoolPeople > (512) 796-4983 > brandon@schoolpeople.net > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 25 0:19:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8936537B401 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37E2E6AB73; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:49:20 +1030 (CST) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:49:20 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Brandon DeYoung Cc: FreeBSDHW Subject: Re: Hard Drive cloning Message-ID: <20010125184920.W44155@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from brandon@schoolpeople.net on Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 01:46:47AM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 25 January 2001 at 1:46:47 -0800, Brandon DeYoung wrote: > Hi all, > Does anyone know of a good utility for cloning BSD harddrives? > I've been using Norton Ghost on windows and Linux boxes...but it > doesn't seem to deal with UFS very well. dd? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 25 0:44: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from nevermind.kiev.ua (unknown [212.109.53.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31D937B402 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from never@localhost) by nevermind.kiev.ua (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f0P8gq120683; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:42:52 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:41:50 +0200 From: Nevermind To: Brandon DeYoung Cc: FreeBSDHW Subject: Re: Hard Drive cloning Message-ID: <20010125104150.D15906@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from brandon@schoolpeople.net on Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 01:46:47AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Brandon DeYoung! On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 01:46:47AM -0800, you wrote: > Hi all, > Does anyone know of a good utility for cloning BSD harddrives? I've been > using Norton Ghost on windows and Linux boxes...but it doesn't seem to deal > with UFS very well. man dump && man restore ? -- Alexandr P. Kovalenko http://nevermind.kiev.ua/ NEVE-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 25 0:48:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (erie.mooseriver.com [205.166.121.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0338137B401 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f0P8lxO06087; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:47:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:47:59 -0800 From: Josef Grosch To: Greg Lehey Cc: Brandon DeYoung , FreeBSDHW Subject: Re: Hard Drive cloning Message-ID: <20010125004759.A6031@mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <20010125184920.W44155@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20010125184920.W44155@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 06:49:20PM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 06:49:20PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 25 January 2001 at 1:46:47 -0800, Brandon DeYoung wrote: > > Hi all, > > Does anyone know of a good utility for cloning BSD harddrives? > > I've been using Norton Ghost on windows and Linux boxes...but it > > doesn't seem to deal with UFS very well. > > dd? dd is good if you are only going to do this once or twice but dd can take a long time. On a dual PIII 800mhz with 2 gig of ram with LVD SCSI disks both disks were 18 gig 10,000 RMP IBMs it took me 90 to 120 minutes to dd one disk to another. If you are going to be doing this on a regular basis look into dump and restore. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 4.2 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | www.bafug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 25 0:56:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C7C37B699 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81E466AB73; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:26:30 +1030 (CST) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:26:30 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Josef Grosch Cc: Brandon DeYoung , FreeBSDHW Subject: Re: Hard Drive cloning Message-ID: <20010125192630.Z44155@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010125184920.W44155@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010125004759.A6031@mooseriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010125004759.A6031@mooseriver.com>; from jgrosch@mooseriver.com on Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 12:47:59AM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 25 January 2001 at 0:47:59 -0800, Josef Grosch wrote: > On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 06:49:20PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Thursday, 25 January 2001 at 1:46:47 -0800, Brandon DeYoung wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> Does anyone know of a good utility for cloning BSD harddrives? >>> I've been using Norton Ghost on windows and Linux boxes...but it >>> doesn't seem to deal with UFS very well. >> >> dd? > > dd is good if you are only going to do this once or twice but dd can take a > long time. On a dual PIII 800mhz with 2 gig of ram with LVD SCSI disks both > disks were 18 gig 10,000 RMP IBMs it took me 90 to 120 minutes to dd one > disk to another. If you are going to be doing this on a regular basis look > into dump and restore. That depends on how full your drives are. If you need top copy the complete disk contents, 18 GB will take a while no matter what tools you use. If they're relatively empty, then other tools may be better. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 25 11: 0:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from portnoy.lbl.gov (portnoy.lbl.gov [131.243.2.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55EE37B6AF for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jin@localhost) by portnoy.lbl.gov (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f0PJ0Nn23550; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:00:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:00:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jin Guojun (DSD staff) Message-Id: <200101251900.f0PJ0Nn23550@portnoy.lbl.gov> To: grog@lemis.com, jgrosch@mooseriver.com Subject: Re: Hard Drive cloning Cc: brandon@schoolpeople.net, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org } On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 06:49:20PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: } > On Thursday, 25 January 2001 at 1:46:47 -0800, Brandon DeYoung wrote: } > > Hi all, } > > Does anyone know of a good utility for cloning BSD harddrives? } > > I've been using Norton Ghost on windows and Linux boxes...but it } > > doesn't seem to deal with UFS very well. } > } > dd? } } dd is good if you are only going to do this once or twice but dd can take a } long time. On a dual PIII 800mhz with 2 gig of ram with LVD SCSI disks both } disks were 18 gig 10,000 RMP IBMs it took me 90 to 120 minutes to dd one } disk to another. If you are going to be doing this on a regular basis look } into dump and restore. Let's jump into some real world, say a 40GB drive, with bootable FreeBSD. The file system is 1GB, that is, the rest of 39GB disk space is empty. To clone 100 such dirves, the dump and restore are definitly faster. Q: Can dump and restore also clone the boot blocks? If not, can we just dd the boot block area (can the size of the boot area be known?) and then, restore the file system? or we have to use "dd" in this case. -Jin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 25 12: 8: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (unknown [169.237.8.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228C137B402 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:07:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0PKMo801215; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:22:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200101252022.f0PKMo801215@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com Cc: Greg Lehey , Brandon DeYoung , FreeBSDHW Subject: Re: Hard Drive cloning In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:47:59 PST." <20010125004759.A6031@mooseriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:22:50 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Does anyone know of a good utility for cloning BSD harddrives? > > > I've been using Norton Ghost on windows and Linux boxes...but it > > > doesn't seem to deal with UFS very well. > > > > dd? > > dd is good if you are only going to do this once or twice but dd can take a > long time. On a dual PIII 800mhz with 2 gig of ram with LVD SCSI disks both > disks were 18 gig 10,000 RMP IBMs it took me 90 to 120 minutes to dd one > disk to another. If you are going to be doing this on a regular basis look > into dump and restore. dump/restore only gives you filesystem contents. dd is much faster if you pick a sensible (large) block size, and faster still if you use it in a pipe with 'team'. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 25 13:48:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374F237B6AA; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:47:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f0PLlkc05475; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:47:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200101252147.f0PLlkc05475@ptavv.es.net> To: Mike Smith Cc: jgrosch@mooseriver.com, Greg Lehey , Brandon DeYoung , FreeBSDHW Subject: Re: Hard Drive cloning In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:22:50 PST." <200101252022.f0PKMo801215@mass.dis.org> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:47:46 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike, I had never run into team before. It looks interesting. Have you any suggestions for reasonable values for 'team' to use for dd? I assume the syntax would be: dd bs=NNNNN if=/dev/adNsN | team NNNNN X | dd bs=NNNNN of=/dev/adNsN R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 25 15:52:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437EA37B401 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:52:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0Q08G100618; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:08:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200101260008.f0Q08G100618@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Kevin Oberman" Cc: FreeBSDHW Subject: Re: Hard Drive cloning In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:47:46 PST." <200101252147.f0PLlkc05475@ptavv.es.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:08:16 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Mike, > > I had never run into team before. It looks interesting. > > Have you any suggestions for reasonable values for 'team' to use for > dd? > > I assume the syntax would be: > dd bs=NNNNN if=/dev/adNsN | team NNNNN X | dd bs=NNNNN of=/dev/adNsN That's more or less what I'd recommend. To take best advantage of FreeBSD's "fast wide pipe" support, the block size should be > 64k; I've had good results around 1M. More than that is probably wasteful, and may run you out of physical memory... -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 25 16:27:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from warspite.cnchost.com (warspite.concentric.net [207.155.248.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1A437B400; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:27:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from bitblocks.com (ts014d48.sjc-ca.concentric.net [206.173.236.204]) by warspite.cnchost.com id TAA00233; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:27:28 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.10] Message-ID: <3A7098EB.250A2FA3@bitblocks.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:21:47 -0500 From: Bakul Shah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith Cc: Kevin Oberman , FreeBSDHW Subject: Re: Hard Drive cloning References: <200101260008.f0Q08G100618@mass.dis.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From what I remember you shouldn't need the two dds. I believe team allows you to choose the blocksize. Forking 4 ways should be good enough. Going through pipes will slow things down. But like I said it is from memory -- right now I am marooned on a windows machine -- so please don't yell at me:-) team NNNNN 4 /dev/adMsM > > Have you any suggestions for reasonable values for 'team' to use for > > dd? > > > > I assume the syntax would be: > > dd bs=NNNNN if=/dev/adNsN | team NNNNN X | dd bs=NNNNN of=/dev/adNsN > > That's more or less what I'd recommend. > > To take best advantage of FreeBSD's "fast wide pipe" support, the block > size should be > 64k; I've had good results around 1M. More than that is > probably wasteful, and may run you out of physical memory... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 25 18: 9:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA2137B400; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:09:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0Q2P4101239; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:25:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200101260225.f0Q2P4101239@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: hardware@freebsd.org Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: 3ware ATA RAID 3DM management utility available Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:25:04 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (Please trim cc's on any followups to remove -hackers, thanks.) I'm happy to announce a quick public BETA cycle for the 3ware 3DM management utility for their family of ATA RAID controllers and FreeBSD. 3DM allows you to monitor and repair RAID arrays on 3ware controllers using a web browser, as well as generate email alerts on events and so forth. See http://www.3ware.com/products/3dm.shtml for more details. The product is not available in source form (sorry folks), but is compiled statically and should run on any FreeBSD system supporting the 3ware controllers (4.2 or later recommended). Thanks to 3ware for their support, and to my beta testers for their valuable input and persistence. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 25 19:32:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B187137B69D; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:32:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 607066AB73; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:02:33 +1030 (CST) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:02:33 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Mike Smith Cc: Kevin Oberman , FreeBSDHW Subject: Re: Hard Drive cloning Message-ID: <20010126140233.C1222@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200101252147.f0PLlkc05475@ptavv.es.net> <200101260008.f0Q08G100618@mass.dis.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200101260008.f0Q08G100618@mass.dis.org>; from msmith@freebsd.org on Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 04:08:16PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 25 January 2001 at 16:08:16 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >> Mike, >> >> I had never run into team before. It looks interesting. >> >> Have you any suggestions for reasonable values for 'team' to use for >> dd? >> >> I assume the syntax would be: >> dd bs=NNNNN if=/dev/adNsN | team NNNNN X | dd bs=NNNNN of=/dev/adNsN > > That's more or less what I'd recommend. > > To take best advantage of FreeBSD's "fast wide pipe" support, the block > size should be > 64k; I've had good results around 1M. More than that is > probably wasteful, and may run you out of physical memory... More than 128 kB doesn't help much. That's MAXPHYS, the maximum I/O transfer size. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Jan 25 20:33:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from bender.physast.uga.edu (bender.physast.uga.edu [128.192.19.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C5537B402 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:33:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from andy@localhost) by bender.physast.uga.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA20868; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:33:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:33:29 -0500 From: Andreas Schweitzer To: hardware@freebsd.org Cc: Andreas Schweitzer Subject: ASUS ASIC AS99127 on A7V Message-ID: <20010125233329.A31564@bender.physast.uga.edu> Reply-To: Andreas Schweitzer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I've tried searching the archives and documentation, but found only similar problems but no answer. I'm trying to read the AS99127 chip which monitors the heat/voltage/fan speed on the ASUS A7V Atholn motherboard. It is on an SMB bus. I tried healthd, lmmon and consolehm. All die with ioctl: Operation not supported by device. My Kernal is 4.2-BETA FreeBSD and I have included the SMB options. dmseg says : pcf0: at port 0x320-0x321 irq 5 on isa0 iicbus0: on pcf0 addr 0xaa iicsmb0: on iicbus0 smbus0: on iicsmb0 smb0: on smbus0 iic0: on iicbus0 I looked into healthd more specifically, because it explicielty claims to support this chip. A preceeding open call suceeds. But the ioctl fails. Am I doing something really stupid or is this indeed a problem ? Thanks Andreas -- Department of Physics & Astronomy and Center for Simulational Physics University of Georgia Phone ++1 (706) 542 5043 Athens, GA 30602-2451 Fax ++1 (706) 542 2492 USA http://dilbert.physast.uga.edu/~andy/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 26 12: 4:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA06837B402 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0QKJkb00775; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:19:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200101262019.f0QKJkb00775@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Greg Lehey Cc: FreeBSDHW Subject: Re: Hard Drive cloning In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:02:33 +1030." <20010126140233.C1222@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:19:46 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> Have you any suggestions for reasonable values for 'team' to use for > >> dd? > >> > >> I assume the syntax would be: > >> dd bs=NNNNN if=/dev/adNsN | team NNNNN X | dd bs=NNNNN of=/dev/adNsN > > > > That's more or less what I'd recommend. > > > > To take best advantage of FreeBSD's "fast wide pipe" support, the block > > size should be > 64k; I've had good results around 1M. More than that is > > probably wasteful, and may run you out of physical memory... > > More than 128 kB doesn't help much. That's MAXPHYS, the maximum I/O > transfer size. It'll reduce the system call overhead. 8) -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 26 13:57: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B00337B404; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 13:56:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from sambvca.torrentnet.com (sambvca.torrentnet.com [4.21.152.12]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f0QLujM26978; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:56:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:57:36 -0500 From: Matt White To: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Maxtor 80GB problems Message-ID: <51420000.980546256@sambvca.torrentnet.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.6b1 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello: I recently installed a Maxtor 80GB on a freebsd 4.2-stable box to serve as a sort of dumping ground for random files. This drive is not very happy. During newfs, the kernel complains repeatedly of write timeouts. Occaisionally, the kernel loses contact with the disk entirely (in those instances I am forced to give up and restart the system). During a fsck operation, I get repeated HARD READ errors, along with a prompt as to whether I want to continue. Of course, it does me no good to continue because fsck still sees the drive as dirty and thus won't mark it clean. I've tried this drive on two different 4.2-stable boxes with different controllers and cabling. Occaisionally the drive makes unhappy noises. Under windows the drive appears to be fine, but I haven't really stressed this beyond the initial format and some time spent in scandisk. Windows is not amazingly forthcoming about errors. I know this isn't the best problem description, but I'm hoping that it will trigger someone's memory such that they may remember a similar problem. If I don't get a response, I'll file a formal PR with as much information as I can gather later. Please cc an responses to this email address. Thanks in advance. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 26 14: 5:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (c014-h023.c014.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C6CCE37B401 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 21436 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2001 14:04:51 -0800 Received: from m12hRs4n205.midsouth.rr.com (HELO mike) (24.95.125.205) by smtp.valuedata.net (209.228.12.87) with SMTP; 26 Jan 2001 14:04:51 -0800 X-Sent: 26 Jan 2001 22:04:51 GMT Message-ID: <006f01c087e4$022bebe0$0200000a@mike> From: "Daryl Chance" To: "Matt White" , , References: <51420000.980546256@sambvca.torrentnet.com> Subject: Re: Maxtor 80GB problems Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:04:50 -0600 Organization: ValueData, LLC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org are you by chance running an AMD? Specifically a Fic MB? Theres a bios fix for the Fic SD11 that fixed some problems I was having. It seems the MB has an issue with Maxtor drives and locks up under heavy disk activity. HTH, - Daryl Chance | And which parallel universe did ValueData, LLC | YOU crawl out of? Memphis, TN | - http://www.thinkgeek.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt White" To: ; Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 3:57 PM Subject: Maxtor 80GB problems > Hello: > > I recently installed a Maxtor 80GB on a freebsd 4.2-stable box to serve as > a sort of dumping ground for random files. This drive is not very happy. > > During newfs, the kernel complains repeatedly of write timeouts. > Occaisionally, the kernel loses contact with the disk entirely (in those > instances I am forced to give up and restart the system). During a fsck > operation, I get repeated HARD READ errors, along with a prompt as to > whether I want to continue. Of course, it does me no good to continue > because fsck still sees the drive as dirty and thus won't mark it clean. > > I've tried this drive on two different 4.2-stable boxes with different > controllers and cabling. Occaisionally the drive makes unhappy noises. > Under windows the drive appears to be fine, but I haven't really stressed > this beyond the initial format and some time spent in scandisk. Windows is > not amazingly forthcoming about errors. > > I know this isn't the best problem description, but I'm hoping that it will > trigger someone's memory such that they may remember a similar problem. If > I don't get a response, I'll file a formal PR with as much information as I > can gather later. > > Please cc an responses to this email address. > > Thanks in advance. > > > -Matt > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 26 14: 6:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from krell.webweaver.net (krell.webweaver.net [64.124.90.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F6C37B400; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from xwin.nmhtech.com (xwin.daemontech.net [208.135.51.161]) by krell.webweaver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D84720F04; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:06:22 -0800 (PST) Content-Length: 2254 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <51420000.980546256@sambvca.torrentnet.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:06:21 -0800 (PST) From: Hodge Podge To: Matt White Subject: RE: Maxtor 80GB problems Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sounds like a bad drive to me. Can any OS read/write to it sucessfully? If FreeBSD And Windows seem unhappy... I woudl exchange it. Nicole On 26-Jan-01 Matt White wrote: > Hello: > > I recently installed a Maxtor 80GB on a freebsd 4.2-stable box to serve as > a sort of dumping ground for random files. This drive is not very happy. > > During newfs, the kernel complains repeatedly of write timeouts. > Occaisionally, the kernel loses contact with the disk entirely (in those > instances I am forced to give up and restart the system). During a fsck > operation, I get repeated HARD READ errors, along with a prompt as to > whether I want to continue. Of course, it does me no good to continue > because fsck still sees the drive as dirty and thus won't mark it clean. > > I've tried this drive on two different 4.2-stable boxes with different > controllers and cabling. Occaisionally the drive makes unhappy noises. > Under windows the drive appears to be fine, but I haven't really stressed > this beyond the initial format and some time spent in scandisk. Windows is > not amazingly forthcoming about errors. > > I know this isn't the best problem description, but I'm hoping that it will > trigger someone's memory such that they may remember a similar problem. If > I don't get a response, I'll file a formal PR with as much information as I > can gather later. > > Please cc an responses to this email address. > > Thanks in advance. > > > -Matt > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message nicole@unixgirl.com |\ __ /| (`\ http://www.unixgirl.com/ webmistress@dangermouse.org | o_o |__ ) ) http://www.dangermouse.org/ nicole@deviantimages.com // \\ http://www.deviantimages.com/ ---------------------------(((---(((---------------------------------------- -- Powered by Coka-Cola and FreeBSD -- -- I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble -- -- Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! -- - One Nation Under Fraud Singing Hail to the Thief - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 26 14:24: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from x.2y.net (h199n2fls21o915.telia.com [213.64.44.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40DE637B401 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from blah@localhost) by x.2y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA54712 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 23:22:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from blah) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 23:22:20 +0100 From: Martin Henrysson To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Problems with ess es1888 Message-ID: <20010126232220.A54364@dust.x.2y.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I got an old laptop (Dell Latitude XPi P133ST, I think) the other day. I've been told that it has a ESS ES1888 sound card. In Windows it's called ess es1688 audioware or something, though, but Linux 2.2.16 recognizes it as es1888. I installed FreeBSD and recompiled the kernel with these parameters: (with some help through the handbook) device pcm device sbc0 at isa? port 0x230 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x0 I then rebooted the machine with the new kernel and the sound card was found: Strange thing is that it was identified as an es688. sbc0: at port 0x230-0x235 irq 5 drq 1 on isa0 pcm0: on sbc0 Looks like it's working, right? I ran ` cd /dev ; sh MAKEDEV snd0 ` as root as well, but when I tried cat:ing a file to /dev/dsp I ran into trouble. I heard no sound, even if program execution went without errors. I then tried mpg123 (just as if it would help ;), but without any luck. The errors I received were: $ mpg123 song.mp3 ... pcm0: play interrupt timeout, channel dead ^C Then: $ mpg123 song.mp3 Can't open /dev/dsp! When I tried to run ` cat computer.au > /dev/dsp ` after that I was told that /dev/dsp was busy. Is there anyone out there who has managed to get this card up and running in FreeBSD? I'm using 4.2-RELEASE. I have no idea what's wrong, and could need a little help. Thanks, Martin Henrysson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 26 14:29:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from bacardi.torrentnet.com (bacardi.torrentnet.com [198.78.51.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAD137B402; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 14:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from sambvca.torrentnet.com (sambvca.torrentnet.com [4.21.152.12]) by bacardi.torrentnet.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f0QMT2M29765; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:29:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:29:52 -0500 From: Matt White To: Matt White Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Maxtor 80GB problems Message-ID: <62990000.980548192@sambvca.torrentnet.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.6b1 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually, Windows appears happy. The only thing about windows is that I am unsure how much noise Windows would make if it actually were unhappy. For those who asked, the motherboard is an Intel pr440fx ppro motherboard. The other motherboad that I tested with is "some p3 motherboard in a micron case". I really didn't look too closely at what it was. dmesg reports the controller as a PIIX4. I believe the pr440fx uses a PIIX3, but Intel's support site is down, so I can't check. -Matt --On Friday, January 26, 2001 14:06:21 -0800 Hodge Podge wrote: > > Sounds like a bad drive to me. Can any OS read/write to it sucessfully? > If FreeBSD And Windows seem unhappy... I woudl exchange it. > > Nicole > > > On 26-Jan-01 Matt White wrote: >> Hello: >> >> I recently installed a Maxtor 80GB on a freebsd 4.2-stable box to serve >> as a sort of dumping ground for random files. This drive is not very >> happy. >> >> During newfs, the kernel complains repeatedly of write timeouts. >> Occaisionally, the kernel loses contact with the disk entirely (in those >> instances I am forced to give up and restart the system). During a fsck >> operation, I get repeated HARD READ errors, along with a prompt as to >> whether I want to continue. Of course, it does me no good to continue >> because fsck still sees the drive as dirty and thus won't mark it clean. >> >> I've tried this drive on two different 4.2-stable boxes with different >> controllers and cabling. Occaisionally the drive makes unhappy noises. >> Under windows the drive appears to be fine, but I haven't really >> stressed this beyond the initial format and some time spent in >> scandisk. Windows is not amazingly forthcoming about errors. >> >> I know this isn't the best problem description, but I'm hoping that it >> will trigger someone's memory such that they may remember a similar >> problem. If I don't get a response, I'll file a formal PR with as much >> information as I can gather later. >> >> Please cc an responses to this email address. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> -Matt >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > nicole@unixgirl.com |\ __ /| (`\ http://www.unixgirl.com/ > webmistress@dangermouse.org | o_o |__ ) ) http://www.dangermouse.org/ > nicole@deviantimages.com // \\ > http://www.deviantimages.com/ > > ---------------------------(((---(((------------------------------------- > --- > > -- Powered by Coka-Cola and FreeBSD -- > -- I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble -- > -- Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! -- > - One Nation Under Fraud Singing Hail to the Thief - > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 26 15:47:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from clifford.inch.com (clifford.inch.com [216.223.192.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFC737B400 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from omar@localhost) by clifford.inch.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) id SAA20289 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:53:22 -0500 Message-ID: <20010126185321.A20278@clifford.inch.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:53:21 -0500 From: Omar Thameen To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: S.M.A.R.T. support? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does FreeBSD support S.M.A.R.T. (Self-Monitoring And Report Technology) for hard drives? Omar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 26 17:52:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from lunatic.oneinsane.net (lunatic.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC25737B400 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:52:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by lunatic.oneinsane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F0CC215556; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:52:08 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:52:08 -0800 From: Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hard Drive cloning Message-ID: <20010126175208.A66409@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Reply-To: Ron Rosson Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from brandon@schoolpeople.net on Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 01:46:47AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD lunatic.oneinsane.net 4.2-STABLE X-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Crescent (6% of Full) X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net X-GPG-FINGERPRINT: 3F11 DB43 F080 C037 96F0 F8D3 5BD2 652B 171C 86DB X-Uptime: 5:50PM up 1 day, 23:56, 1 user, load averages: 1.01, 1.02, 1.00 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brandon DeYoung (brandon@schoolpeople.net) wrote: With all this talk and suggestions on how to clone HD's under FreeBSD it would be nice to see some of them become a simple port inside of the system. It would also probably stop the repeated times it was asked. Just an idea -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ With a mind like yours, who needs a body? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Jan 26 22:30:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from clifford.inch.com (clifford.inch.com [216.223.192.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4250337B401; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 22:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from omar@localhost) by clifford.inch.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) id BAA22091; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:35:45 -0500 Message-ID: <20010127013545.A21945@clifford.inch.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:35:45 -0500 From: Omar Thameen To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Mylex AcceleRAID 150 problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings: I have a Mylex AcceleRAID 150 running in a 4.2-RELEASE server and I've run into a couple problems and need some advice. First, the simple one. The 150 came with 4M of memory, and I'm trying to purchase a 16M SIMM from crucial.com (or wherever) to avoid the exorbitant Mylex prices for additional memory. As best as I could determine, the memory is EDO Parity RAM, 36 pin, 60 ns, SIMM. I bought exactly that from Crucial in 16M size (# CT4M36E2M6), but the server will not display or do anything when powered up, even rendering the power toggle functionless. Is there some spec that I'm missing? Second, about 3 out of 5 times, the system fails to boot. It gets to the "press enter to boot [kernel]..." phase, then shows me the slash ( / ), then hangs, again rendering the power toggle functionless, but not the reset switch. I've checked the motherboard and mobo BIOS, and swapped out the RAM, eliminating those as problems. Admittedly, I am running the Mylex Firmware/BIOS that came with the card: Firmware version 4.06-0-29 BIOS 4.10-41 Feb 2, 1999 but I am *highly* reluctant to try and upgrade, as a very competent colleague of mine had not one, but 2 of the same cards get hosed after trying the upgrade and speaking with Mylex tech support. The only other thing I can think that might be relevant to troubleshooting is that both motherboards that I've used have on-board SCSI (and a SCSI CDROM is plugged in and works). Any analysis and suggestions would be very much appreciated, Omar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 27 12:27:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from comet.connix.com (comet.connix.com [198.69.10.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D8FF37B402 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:27:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from connix.com (3.ct7.dyn.connix.net [209.66.145.10]) by comet.connix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00998 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:17:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3A732EC6.B485F205@connix.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 15:25:42 -0500 From: Stephen Fitzhugh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Zip drives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have read all of the postings and tutorials and have recompiled the kernel numerous times, but I continue to be unsuccessful in mounting a parallel port zip drive to my old FreeBSD box. I am running the 4.2-stable version on an old Pentium box. I have removed the comment mark on devices scbus, da, and vpo. As you can see from the message logs, vpo0 is set but I get VPO error/timeouts. ************************************** ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode plip0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 vpo0: on ppbus0 vpo0: EPP 1.9 mode ad0: 2441MB [4960/16/63] at ata0-master BIOSPIO ad1: 1033MB [2100/16/63] at ata0-slave BIOSPIO (null): MODE_SENSE_BIG command timeout - resetting ata1: resetting devices .. done vpo0: VP0 error/timeout (5) vpo0: VP0 error/timeout (5) vpo0: VP0 error/timeout (5) vpo0: VP0 error/timeout (5) vpo0: VP0 error/timeout (5) (null): MODE_SENSE_BIG command timeout - resetting ata1: resetting devices .. done (null): MODE_SENSE_BIG command timeout - resetting ata1: resetting devices .. done (null): MODE_SENSE_BIG command timeout - resetting ata1: resetting devices .. done acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using BIOSPIO vpo0: VP0 error/timeout (5) vpo0: VP0 error/timeout (2) vpo0: VP0 error/timeout (5) vpo0: VP0 error/timeout (5) vpo0: VP0 error/timeout (5) vpo0: VP0 error/timeout (5) vpo0: VP0 error/timeout (5) Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a **************************************** Any help provided is greatly appreciated. Regards, Steve Fitzhugh -- Stephen L. Fitzhugh fitzhugh@connix.com Phone: (203) 458-2989 Fax: (203) 458-6555 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 27 12:51:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (c228380-a.sfmissn1.sfba.home.com [24.20.90.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A3137B69B; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:50:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0RKojx00993; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:50:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200101272050.f0RKojx00993@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Omar Thameen Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mylex AcceleRAID 150 problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 27 Jan 2001 01:35:45 EST." <20010127013545.A21945@clifford.inch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:50:45 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have a Mylex AcceleRAID 150 running in a 4.2-RELEASE server and I've > run into a couple problems and need some advice. > > First, the simple one. The 150 came with 4M of memory, and I'm trying to > purchase a 16M SIMM from crucial.com (or wherever) to avoid the > exorbitant Mylex prices for additional memory. As best as I could > determine, the memory is EDO Parity RAM, 36 pin, 60 ns, SIMM. I bought > exactly that from Crucial in 16M size (# CT4M36E2M6), but the server > will not display or do anything when powered up, even rendering the > power toggle functionless. Is there some spec that I'm missing? Yes. The card requires 40-bit memory (byte-ECC), and Mylex' pricing is actually fairly reasonable. However, adding more memory won't do you a lot of good - the card has no battery backup, so you can't use it as write cache, and the OS already read-caches better than the card does. The 4M on the 150 and the 8M on the 250 are actually quite reasonable configurations for those adapters. (We've been running an 8M AcceleRAID 250 in freefall.freebsd.org for nearly a year now, for example.) > Second, about 3 out of 5 times, the system fails to boot. It gets to the > "press enter to boot [kernel]..." phase, then shows me the slash ( / ), > then hangs, again rendering the power toggle functionless, but not the > reset switch. I've checked the motherboard and mobo BIOS, and swapped > out the RAM, eliminating those as problems. This one's beyond me; if it's intermittent and you can't find *any* correspondence between any external factor and the failures, then I'd be getting pretty desperate. Does the card work OK once the system is up and running? > Admittedly, I am running > the Mylex Firmware/BIOS that came with the card: > Firmware version 4.06-0-29 > BIOS 4.10-41 Feb 2, 1999 > but I am *highly* reluctant to try and upgrade, as a very competent > colleague of mine had not one, but 2 of the same cards get hosed after > trying the upgrade and speaking with Mylex tech support. I've done a lot of upgrades on these cards, and never fried one. If you follow the instructions, it just works. Having said that, unless you're having issues with disk interaction, updating probably won't help you a lot. > The only > other thing I can think that might be relevant to troubleshooting is > that both motherboards that I've used have on-board SCSI (and a SCSI > CDROM is plugged in and works). This would only be an issue if the controller thinks that it's handling the onboard SCSI as well, and I doubt that (eg. if it's a Symbios part, and if it shows up in the RAID config tool then you might have problems). > Any analysis and suggestions would be very much appreciated, I'm afraid I don't have a lot here; check your SCSI cabling, check the card is properly seated and the memory on the card is installed. Check your jumpers, and that you have the activity LED plugged in properly (if it's connected at all). Regards, Mike -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 27 12:53: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (c228380-a.sfmissn1.sfba.home.com [24.20.90.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935B237B401 for ; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:52:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0RKqmx01192; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:52:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200101272052.f0RKqmx01192@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Omar Thameen Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: S.M.A.R.T. support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 26 Jan 2001 18:53:21 EST." <20010126185321.A20278@clifford.inch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 12:52:48 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Does FreeBSD support S.M.A.R.T. (Self-Monitoring And Report Technology) > for hard drives? No, we don't. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Jan 27 17: 1:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from enigma.crypt-net.org (enigma.crypt-net.org [216.254.75.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F8E37B699; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:01:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from indigo (indigo.crypt-net.org [216.254.75.170]) by enigma.crypt-net.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2A62025; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:01:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 19:57:11 -0500 From: Matt White To: hardware@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Maxtor 80GB problems Message-ID: <1372888398.980625431@indigo> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.5 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="==========1372899094==========" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==========1372899094========== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I have gotten the Maxtor 80GB drive working, thanks to the suggestions of = people on this list, especially Andrew Gordon. Thanks for the people who = were so quick to help out. Turns out that the Maxtor 80GB drives want 80 conductor cables even when = running in UDMA33 mode. Switching to an 80 conductor cable solved my = problems. I still received a single write timeout during newfs, but the = system recovered quickly. Andrew also suggested that I might switch to PIO = mode using this sysctl: sysctl -w hw.atamodes=3Dpio,pio,pio,pio The drive seems like it will perform the task I bought it for, which is = mass storage of relatively unimportant data. I don't think I'll be moving = my system and important user files over from my SCSI disk any time soon, = however. (This response was largely for the archives.) -Matt --==========1372899094========== Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Mulberry PGP Plugin v2.0 Comment: processed by Mulberry PGP Plugin iQA/AwUBOnNubFWXXrbXrJ1MEQJT4ACghA63dQf4r9KxC28Ox8497KkzbNkAoNOU UfZ1chp3S7QKBjqtPPU5B2+b =jq+c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==========1372899094==========-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message