From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Apr 16 8:11:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB5A37B43F for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:11:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from elylevy@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from grok.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.80] ident=mail) by cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14pAfT-0003bL-00 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:11:55 +0300 Received: from elylevy by grok.cs.huji.ac.il with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14pAfT-0000QI-00 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:11:55 +0300 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:11:55 +0300 (IDT) From: Ely Levy To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: New freebsd mirror Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm intrested in making a new freebsd mirror in israel and I would like to know more details about what require for it (programs/space/and so on) thanks Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Apr 16 8:16:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from owlstation.cslab.vt.edu (owlstation.cslab.vt.edu [198.82.184.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73E737B440 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:16:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkurdzio@snowcow.cslab.vt.edu) Received: from snowcow.cslab.vt.edu (snowcow.cslab.vt.edu [198.82.184.27]) by owlstation.cslab.vt.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3GFGMb50322; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:16:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wkurdzio@snowcow.cslab.vt.edu) Received: from localhost (wkurdzio@localhost) by snowcow.cslab.vt.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3GFFi823447; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:15:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wkurdzio@snowcow.cslab.vt.edu) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:15:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Wes Kurdziolek To: Ely Levy Cc: Subject: Re: New freebsd mirror In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mirroring ftp.freebsd.org takes ~52G and quite a bit of bandwidth. I'm not sure what it takes to mirror www.freebsd.org or provide a CVSup server. Actually, what does it take to be a CVSup mirror? -- Wes Kurdziolek Virginia Tech Computer Science Lab UNIX System Administrator E-mail: wkurdzio@cslab.vt.edu Voice: +1 (540) 231-3457 Office: 116A McBryde On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Ely Levy wrote: > I'm intrested in making a new freebsd mirror in israel > and I would like to know more details about what require for it > (programs/space/and so on) > > thanks > > Ely Levy > System group > Hebrew University > Jerusalem Israel > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Apr 16 8:32:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.unixathome.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A4F37B43F for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:32:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (root@ns1.unixathome.org [192.168.0.20]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3GFWae37611; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 03:32:38 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200104161532.f3GFWae37611@ns1.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:32:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New freebsd mirror Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: Ely Levy References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 16 Apr 2001, at 11:15, Wes Kurdziolek wrote: > Actually, what does it take to be a CVSup mirror? In terms of space: [dan@cvsup:/usr/home/ncvs/FreeBSD] $ du -d 1 . 18857 ./CVSROOT 443 ./distrib 83599 ./doc 191079 ./ports 838631 ./src 21128 ./www 69785 ./data 1223523 . That's KB... -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Apr 16 8:46:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from lab.cyberlifelabs.com (lab.cyberlifelabs.com [208.201.255.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C371237B43C for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:46:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from milo@cyberlifelabs.com) Received: (qmail 29771 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2001 15:46:38 -0000 Received: from win2k.lab.cyberlifelabs.com (HELO win2k) (208.201.255.3) by lab.cyberlifelabs.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2001 15:46:38 -0000 From: "Milo Hyson" To: "Wes Kurdziolek" , "Ely Levy" Cc: Subject: RE: New freebsd mirror Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:46:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Depends on what you are mirroring. My company just set up a CVSup mirror of the source tree. Got the following from du: 18833 ./CVSROOT 443 ./distrib 83195 ./doc 185546 ./ports 836442 ./src 21064 ./www 1145524 . The biggest surprise however was the CPU load. The pre-compiled binary of cvsupd from the ports collection taxes a nearly-idle P2-400 quite a bit. Just one client connection brought the CPU load up to about 12%. I figure it must be something to do with the Modula-3 implementation, because the server's other tasks (BIND, Apache, PHP, Qmail, PostgreSQL) do a lot of work and the CPU rarely goes above 2%. - Milo Hyson CyberLife Labs, LLC -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Wes Kurdziolek Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 8:16 AM To: Ely Levy Cc: freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New freebsd mirror Mirroring ftp.freebsd.org takes ~52G and quite a bit of bandwidth. I'm not sure what it takes to mirror www.freebsd.org or provide a CVSup server. Actually, what does it take to be a CVSup mirror? -- Wes Kurdziolek Virginia Tech Computer Science Lab UNIX System Administrator E-mail: wkurdzio@cslab.vt.edu Voice: +1 (540) 231-3457 Office: 116A McBryde On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Ely Levy wrote: > I'm intrested in making a new freebsd mirror in israel > and I would like to know more details about what require for it > (programs/space/and so on) > > thanks > > Ely Levy > System group > Hebrew University > Jerusalem Israel > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Apr 16 18:31:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1504B37B43C for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:31:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02175; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:31:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:31:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200104170131.VAA02175@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: "Milo Hyson" Cc: "Wes Kurdziolek" , "Ely Levy" , Subject: RE: New freebsd mirror In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < said: > Just one client connection brought the CPU load up to about 12%. I figure it > must be something to do with the Modula-3 implementation Nope. The difference is that CVSUP is designed to trade CPU time for network utilization. There are lots of checksums and whatnot going on under the hood in order to prevent unnecessary retransmission of whole files. If you were running an rsync server, you'd see similar results for similar reasons. -GAWollman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Apr 16 18:34:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448AF37B423 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:34:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02256; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:34:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:34:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200104170134.VAA02256@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Wes Kurdziolek Cc: freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New freebsd mirror In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < said: > Actually, what does it take to be a CVSup mirror? Lots of CPU, lots of memory, and blazing fast disks. (Or, in our case, not much of any of those, so we have fairly poor performance. I'm hoping to be able to get a fibre-channel RAID box to go along with the replacement for cvsup3.freebsd.org; that along with the new filesystem layout algorithm will probably make a big difference in the number of clients we'll be able to serve.) -GAWollman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Apr 16 23:54:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE69637B43E for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:54:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@mail.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20 [10.1.1.22]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3H6sJl58725; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:54:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f3H6stA14583; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:54:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:54:54 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Dan Langille Cc: freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, Ely Levy Subject: Re: New freebsd mirror Message-ID: <20010417085454.A14579@cicely20.cicely.de> References: <200104161532.f3GFWae37611@ns1.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200104161532.f3GFWae37611@ns1.unixathome.org>; from dan@langille.org on Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 11:32:31AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 11:32:31AM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > On 16 Apr 2001, at 11:15, Wes Kurdziolek wrote: > > > Actually, what does it take to be a CVSup mirror? > > In terms of space: > > [dan@cvsup:/usr/home/ncvs/FreeBSD] $ du -d 1 . > 18857 ./CVSROOT > 443 ./distrib > 83599 ./doc > 191079 ./ports > 838631 ./src > 21128 ./www > 69785 ./data > 1223523 . Complete with gnats, archive, ... it's around 2G. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Apr 17 2: 2:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B93537B443 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 02:02:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from elylevy@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from grok.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.80] ident=mail) by cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14pRNU-000244-00 for freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:02:28 +0300 Received: from elylevy by grok.cs.huji.ac.il with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14pRNU-0000ie-00 for freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:02:28 +0300 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:02:28 +0300 (IDT) From: Ely Levy To: freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New freebsd mirror In-Reply-To: <20010417085454.A14579@cicely20.cicely.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How about where to mirror from? is there rsync or ftp that open to everyone? do I need to speak to someone before? Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Bernd Walter wrote: | On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 11:32:31AM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: | > On 16 Apr 2001, at 11:15, Wes Kurdziolek wrote: | > | > > Actually, what does it take to be a CVSup mirror? | > | > In terms of space: | > | > [dan@cvsup:/usr/home/ncvs/FreeBSD] $ du -d 1 . | >18857 ./CVSROOT | > 443 ./distrib | > 83599 ./doc | > 191079./ports | > 838631./src | > 21128 ./www | > 69785 ./data | > 1223523 . | | Complete with gnats, archive, ... it's around 2G. | | -- | B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de | ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de | | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Apr 17 2: 9:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1193537B43C for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 02:09:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@dstc.edu.au) Received: from azure.dstc.edu.au (azure.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.27]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3H99b410128; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:09:37 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:09:39 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Ely Levy Cc: freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New freebsd mirror In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 1.0 (http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/) Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Ely Levy wrote: > How about where to mirror from? > is there rsync or ftp that open to everyone? bahahahahahah about the former idea. i've only been asking for.. oh more than a year now :-) it's been quite annoying - all the freebsd rsync archives i know of for the last few days hve only had a 45M iso image for the rc3 ISO.. and only ftp.freebsd.org has the 650M one.. wsigh. try ftp2.freebsd.org. and i think either ftp3 or ftp8.freebsd.org was looking into setting up a rsync server. i'd mention others, but there are so few complete freebsd mirror sites out there now that allow rsync, i'm scared to mention them in case i can't connect anymore :-) you can always use "ftp" to connect to ftp.freebsd.org to mirror from. -jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Apr 17 3:43:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from fep04-svc.mail.telepac.pt (fep04-svc.mail.telepac.pt [194.65.5.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A4F37B43F for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 03:43:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpedras@fmed.uc.pt) Received: from mobinho.tafkap.priv ([194.65.204.99]) by fep04-svc.mail.telepac.pt (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20010417102319.BTYK19085.fep04-svc.mail.telepac.pt@mobinho.tafkap.priv> for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:23:19 +0100 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:14:38 +0100 From: Joao Pedras To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Subject: ports... messed up ? Message-ID: <43800000.987502478@mobinho.tafkap.priv> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all My cvsup mirror seems to have the ports tree messed up. During updates cvsup clients display some messages about this and that missing. How should delete the entire ports and cvsup it again to the mirror ? (correctly! eheh) Just wanted to confirm how to do it with you guys (and girls). L8r Joao To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Apr 17 7: 7:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from owlstation.cslab.vt.edu (owlstation.cslab.vt.edu [198.82.184.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8F437B422 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:07:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkurdzio@snowcow.cslab.vt.edu) Received: from snowcow.cslab.vt.edu (snowcow.cslab.vt.edu [198.82.184.27]) by owlstation.cslab.vt.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3HE73b57773; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:07:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wkurdzio@snowcow.cslab.vt.edu) Received: from localhost (wkurdzio@localhost) by snowcow.cslab.vt.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3HE6E827913; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:06:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wkurdzio@snowcow.cslab.vt.edu) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:06:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Wes Kurdziolek To: jason andrade Cc: Ely Levy , Subject: Re: New freebsd mirror In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I run ftp3.freebsd.org, and it's pretty fast. Use omi or spegla to grab the archive. We might set up an rsync server, but I don't have the time right now. -- Wes Kurdziolek Virginia Tech Computer Science Lab UNIX System Administrator E-mail: wkurdzio@cslab.vt.edu Voice: +1 (540) 231-3457 Office: 116A McBryde On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, jason andrade wrote: > On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Ely Levy wrote: > > > How about where to mirror from? > > is there rsync or ftp that open to everyone? > > bahahahahahah about the former idea. i've only > been asking for.. oh more than a year now :-) > > it's been quite annoying - all the freebsd rsync archives i know > of for the last few days hve only had a 45M iso image for the rc3 ISO.. > and only ftp.freebsd.org has the 650M one.. wsigh. > > try ftp2.freebsd.org. and i think either ftp3 or ftp8.freebsd.org > was looking into setting up a rsync server. > > i'd mention others, but there are so few complete freebsd mirror > sites out there now that allow rsync, i'm scared to mention them > in case i can't connect anymore :-) > > you can always use "ftp" to connect to ftp.freebsd.org to mirror > from. > > > -jason > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Apr 17 8:20: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7CF37B423 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:20:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10734; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:20:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:20:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200104171520.LAA10734@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: End of the line for 3.x at ftp5 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org With the imminent release of FreeBSD 4.3, and the ever-more-voracious appetite for disk space, I have chosen to remove all remaining FreeBSD 3.x binaries (including ports) from ftp5. Those of you who mirror the repository on ftp5 and wish to keep those files should exclude those directories from your mirroring system before your next run. The sources will remain available and will be updated as conditions warrant. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Apr 19 14:47:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE90C37B424; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:47:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesper@skriver.dk) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C74205D60; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:48:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:48:13 +0200 From: Jesper Skriver To: noc@lightning.net Cc: dg@FreeBSD.org, hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Packet loss between fa0-0.br1.nycmny.us and a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us towards ftp.freesoftware.com Message-ID: <20010419234813.A61420@skriver.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B88 9CE8 66E9 E631 C9C5 5EB4 22AB F0EC F956 1C31 X-PGP-Public-Key: http://freesbee.wheel.dk/~jesper/gpgkey.pub Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I see massive packet loss towards ftp.freesoftware.com from hosts in AS3292 (this test was performed from 195.249.6.93, a interface on ftp.dk.FreeBSD.org), it seems that it appear in your network between 12 fa0-0.br1.nycmny.us.lightning.net (209.244.186.10) 94.871 ms 95.351 ms 94.692 ms and 13 a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us.lightning.net (216.66.3.2) 129.998 ms 134.664 ms * Do the return path to 195.249.6.93 change between these ? or is there a congestion problem between these hops ? Traceroute and ping's below. PS: This severy affect the ability to mirror ftp.FreeBSD.org on ftp.dk.FreeBSD.org, do other of you mirror admin's have the same problem ? /Jesper -- Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 Work: Network manager @ AS3292 (Tele Danmark DataNetworks) Private: FreeBSD committer @ AS2109 (A much smaller network ;-) One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. jesper@boulder% traceroute ftp.freebsd.org traceroute to ftp.freesoftware.com (216.66.64.162), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 fe8-1-0-6.100M.sltnxt2.ip.tele.dk (195.249.6.90) 0.497 ms 0.379 ms 0.403 ms 2 pos0-3.155M.arcnxg2.ip.tele.dk (195.249.12.245) 0.528 ms 0.476 ms 0.446 ms 3 pos6-0.2488M.arcnxg1.ip.tele.dk (195.249.6.101) 0.650 ms 0.546 ms 0.570 ms 4 pos7-0.2488M.albnxg1.ip.tele.dk (195.249.6.125) 2.656 ms 2.503 ms 2.531 ms 5 pos2-1.155M.linxnxg1.ip.tele.dk (195.249.2.170) 21.336 ms 21.197 ms 22.143 ms 6 GigabitEthernet5-0.linx1.lon1.level3.net (195.66.224.77) 21.475 ms 21.874 ms 21.403 ms 7 so-4-2-0-0.mp1.lon1.level3.net (212.113.0.114) 22.134 ms 21.894 ms 21.727 ms 8 so-3-0-0-0.mp1.lon2.level3.net (212.187.128.46) 21.987 ms 21.867 ms 22.178 ms 9 212.187.128.162 (212.187.128.162) 97.400 ms 94.093 ms 99.840 ms 10 pos8-0.core1.NewYork1.level3.net (209.247.10.34) 96.162 ms 93.884 ms 102.018 ms 11 gigaethernet6-0.ipcolo1.NewYork1.Level3.net (209.244.12.42) 96.653 ms 94.800 ms 95.425 ms 12 fa0-0.br1.nycmny.us.lightning.net (209.244.186.10) 94.871 ms 95.351 ms 94.692 ms 13 a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us.lightning.net (216.66.3.2) 129.998 ms 134.664 ms * 14 s7-1.br1.nycmny1.us.lightning.net (216.66.3.29) 142.591 ms 121.387 ms 114.920 ms 15 ftp.freesoftware.com (216.66.64.162) 129.444 ms^C jesper@boulder% ping -c 100 209.244.186.10 PING 209.244.186.10 (209.244.186.10): 56 data bytes --- 209.244.186.10 ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 100 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 93.324/103.648/196.783/13.205 ms jesper@boulder% ping -c 100 216.66.3.2 PING 216.66.3.2 (216.66.3.2): 56 data bytes --- 216.66.3.2 ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 85 packets received, 15% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 100.401/141.587/434.243/56.072 ms jesper@boulder% ping -c 100 ftp.freebsd.org PING ftp.freesoftware.com (216.66.64.162): 56 data bytes --- ftp.freesoftware.com ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 75 packets received, 25% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 100.376/138.354/168.176/14.340 ms To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Apr 19 15:40: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from basm.cerias.purdue.edu (basm.cerias.purdue.edu [128.10.243.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FBB37B423; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:39:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from raj@cerias.purdue.edu) Received: (from raj@localhost) by basm.cerias.purdue.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id RAA25337; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:39:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:39:53 -0500 From: Brian Poole To: Jesper Skriver Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, dg@FreeBSD.ORG, noc@lightning.net Subject: Re: Packet loss between fa0-0.br1.nycmny.us and a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us towards ftp.freesoftware.com Message-ID: <20010419173952.F83@basm.cerias.purdue.edu> References: <20010419234813.A61420@skriver.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010419234813.A61420@skriver.dk>; from jesper@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:48:13PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Jesper Skriver (jesper@FreeBSD.ORG) from 19 April 2001: > I see massive packet loss towards ftp.freesoftware.com from hosts in > AS3292 (this test was performed from 195.249.6.93, a interface on > ftp.dk.FreeBSD.org), it seems that it appear in your network between .. > PS: This severy affect the ability to mirror ftp.FreeBSD.org on > ftp.dk.FreeBSD.org, do other of you mirror admin's have the > same problem ? Hello, I had noticed very poor connectivity to ftp.freebsd.org as well starting sometime during this last week. Previously I've been able to get speeds upwards of 600kbyte/s regularly on large files, but as of late I've been getting max speeds of ~40k/s with averages of < 5k/s (Normally averages range over 100k/s). This has definetly impacted my ability to mirror FreeBSD and I am curious to the problem as well. My traceroute and pings are included. The packet loss is noticeable and significant, but I'm not sure if I would go so far as to call it massive. Tests are from 128.10.252.10 (ftp.cerias.purdue.edu, ftp9.freebsd.org), AS17. Hope this is resolved soon, I've already been getting questions as to why my mirror is behind. -b raj@omelas:~ > /usr/sbin/traceroute -A ftp.freebsd.org traceroute to ftp.freesoftware.com (216.66.64.162), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 cisco3.cerias.purdue.edu (128.10.252.1) [AS17] 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 2 * cisco5.cs.purdue.edu (128.10.21.250) [AS17] 2 ms * 3 cisco-tel-242.tcom.purdue.edu (128.210.242.22) [AS17] 1 ms 2 ms 1 ms 4 Serial3-1-0.GW1.IND1.ALTER.NET (157.130.101.105) [AS701] 5 ms 4 ms 5 ms 5 121.at-1-0-0.XR1.CHI4.ALTER.NET (146.188.208.162) [AS702] 8 ms 7 ms 8 ms 6 295.at-1-0-0.XR1.CHI2.ALTER.NET (152.63.64.245) [AS701] 11 ms 11 ms 9 ms 7 0.so-2-1-0.XL1.CHI2.ALTER.NET (152.63.67.129) [AS701] 10 ms 10 ms 12 ms 8 POS6-0.BR5.CHI2.ALTER.NET (152.63.68.197) [AS701] 9 ms 10 ms 12 ms 9 atm3-0.core1.Chicago1.Level3.net (209.0.225.5) [(null)] 10 ms 15 ms 17 ms 10 so-0-0-0.mp1.NewYork1.level3.net (209.247.8.13) [(null)] 64 ms 40 ms 39 ms 11 so-0-0-0.mp1.NewYork1.level3.net (209.247.8.13) [(null)] 40 ms 40 ms 40 ms 12 pos8-0.core1.NewYork1.level3.net (209.247.10.34) [(null)] 40 ms 41 ms 39 ms 13 gigaethernet6-0.ipcolo1.NewYork1.Level3.net (209.244.12.42) [(null)] 37 ms 37 ms 39 ms 14 fa0-0.br1.nycmny.us.lightning.net (209.244.186.10) [(null)] 40 ms 40 ms 40 ms 15 a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us.lightning.net (216.66.3.2) [AS6427] 79 ms 55 ms 50 ms 16 s7-1.br1.nycmny1.us.lightning.net (216.66.3.29) [AS6427] 53 ms 50 ms 59 ms 17 ftp.freesoftware.com (216.66.64.162) [AS6427] 64 ms 78 ms * raj@omelas:~ > ping -qc 100 209.244.186.10 PING 209.244.186.10 (209.244.186.10): 56 data bytes --- 209.244.186.10 ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 100 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 38.389/44.829/214.576 ms raj@omelas:~ > ping -qc 100 216.66.3.2 PING 216.66.3.2 (216.66.3.2): 56 data bytes --- 216.66.3.2 ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 90 packets received, 10% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 46.781/86.462/355.151 ms raj@omelas:~ > ping -qc 100 ftp.freebsd.org PING ftp.freesoftware.com (216.66.64.162): 56 data bytes --- ftp.freesoftware.com ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 85 packets received, 15% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 38.901/71.481/93.345 ms To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Apr 19 16: 5:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F6037B43C; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:05:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@dstc.edu.au) Received: from azure.dstc.edu.au (azure.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.27]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3JN53401187; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:05:03 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:05:05 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Brian Poole Cc: Jesper Skriver , hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, dg@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Packet loss between fa0-0.br1.nycmny.us and a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us towards ftp.freesoftware.com In-Reply-To: <20010419173952.F83@basm.cerias.purdue.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 1.0 (http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/) Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Brian Poole wrote: ditto here.. from a freebsd archive in australia. i can't find any other sites with rsync access to RC5.. and i thought 4.3 was meant to be released within the next couple of days, so it's concerning me. traceroute to ftp.freesoftware.com (216.66.64.162), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 3 GigEth1-0-0.rr1.optus.net.au (202.139.190.21) 22.210 ms 23.554 ms 21.067 ms 4 * POS9-1-0.sf1.optus.net.au (192.65.89.230) 171.375 ms 172.431 ms 5 acr2-serial2-2-0-0.SanFranciscosfd.cw.net (206.24.209.205) 172.181 ms 173.058 ms 174.321 ms 6 pos6-2.core1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net (166.90.50.153) 221.975 ms 217.556 ms 219.774 ms 7 * so-4-0-0.mp2.SanFrancisco1.level3.net (209.247.10.233) 218.051 ms 221.170 ms 8 so-0-0-0.mp1.NewYork1.level3.net (209.247.8.13) 261.109 ms 262.899 ms 260.599 ms 9 pos8-0.core1.NewYork1.level3.net (209.247.10.34) 260.514 ms 260.827 ms 260.151 ms 10 gigaethernet6-0.ipcolo1.NewYork1.Level3.net (209.244.12.42) 262.851 ms 261.633 ms 261.394 ms 11 fa0-0.br1.nycmny.us.lightning.net (209.244.186.10) 269.612 ms 270.755 ms 271.094 ms 12 a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us.lightning.net (216.66.3.2) 302.896 ms 308.118 ms 320.241 ms 13 s7-1.br1.nycmny1.us.lightning.net (216.66.3.29) 321.852 ms * * 14 ftp.freesoftware.com (216.66.64.162) 315.395 ms * 305.009 ms --- ftp.freesoftware.com ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 41 packets received, 59% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 284.596/309.467/325.034/10.518 ms -jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Apr 19 16:23:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from munich.progenylinux.com (munich.progeny.com [216.37.46.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DFD37B43E; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:23:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dsp@indy.progenylinux.com) Received: from andromeda.indy.progenylinux.com (unknown [64.64.82.228]) by munich.progenylinux.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A479A27A3D; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by andromeda.indy.progenylinux.com (Postfix, from userid 10025) id 2A0EF1BDA0; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:23:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:23:12 -0500 From: Doug Porter To: hubs@FreeBSD.org Cc: noc@lightning.net, dg@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Packet loss between fa0-0.br1.nycmny.us and a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us towards ftp.freesoftware.com Message-ID: <20010419182312.D26057@indy.progenylinux.com> References: <20010419234813.A61420@skriver.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010419234813.A61420@skriver.dk>; from jesper@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:48:13PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jesper Skriver wrote: > > I see massive packet loss towards ftp.freesoftware.com from > hosts in AS3292 (this test was performed from 195.249.6.93, a > interface on ftp.dk.FreeBSD.org), it seems that it appear in > your network between Having similar issues from here. Earlier today I was experiencing no packet loss, but at the moment it is ugly. I have pasted my trace and pings to hopefully help is diagnoses. While I am writing here. I would like to announce our new FreeBSD mirror which is availible at: ftp://archive.progeny.com/FreeBSD/ http://archive.progeny.com/FreeBSD/ rsync://archive.progeny.com/FreeBSD/ Is there any chance of allowing rsync access to ftp.freebsd.org? If that is not possible I may just keep mirroring from ftp2.freebsd.org. - Doug dsp@archive:~$ /usr/sbin/traceroute ftp.freebsd.org traceroute to ftp.freesoftware.com (216.66.64.162), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 Progeny-49-1.OneCall.Net (216.37.49.1) 0.973 ms 0.645 ms 0.259 ms 2 IndyX-MAE-E.OneCall.Net (216.37.1.3) 19.020 ms 19.234 ms 19.287 ms 3 mae-east-atm.lightning.net (198.32.187.99) 25.478 ms 26.120 ms 25.124 ms 4 f1-0-0.br1.nycmny2.us.lightning.net (209.51.180.65) 28.426 ms 26.474 ms 25.960 ms 5 a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us.lightning.net (216.66.3.2) 69.005 ms 67.679 ms 61.585 ms 6 s7-1.br1.nycmny1.us.lightning.net (216.66.3.29) 70.610 ms 71.953 ms * 7 ftp.freesoftware.com (216.66.64.162) 60.251 ms 73.358 ms 66.984 ms dsp@archive:~$ ping -qc 100 f1-0-0.br1.nycmny2.us.lightning.net PING f1-0-0.br1.nycmny2.us.lightning.net (209.51.180.65): 56 data bytes --- f1-0-0.br1.nycmny2.us.lightning.net ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 99 packets received, 1% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 25.5/30.8/142.5 ms dsp@archive:~$ ping -qc 100 a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us.lightning.net PING a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us.lightning.net (216.66.3.2): 56 data bytes --- a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us.lightning.net ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 78 packets received, 22% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 35.2/71.7/546.8 ms dsp@archive:~$ ping -qc 100 s7-1.br1.nycmny1.us.lightning.net PING s7-1.br1.nycmny1.us.lightning.net (216.66.3.29): 56 data bytes --- s7-1.br1.nycmny1.us.lightning.net ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 65 packets received, 35% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 42.2/66.9/91.5 ms dsp@archive:~$ ping -qc 100 ftp.freebsd.org PING ftp.freesoftware.com (216.66.64.162): 56 data bytes --- ftp.freesoftware.com ping statistics --- 100 packets transmitted, 64 packets received, 36% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 35.6/64.5/92.2 ms To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Apr 19 18:44:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D72737B422; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA43606; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:44:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:44:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200104200144.VAA43606@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Jesper Skriver Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Packet loss between fa0-0.br1.nycmny.us and a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us towards ftp.freesoftware.com In-Reply-To: <20010419234813.A61420@skriver.dk> References: <20010419234813.A61420@skriver.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < said: > I see massive packet loss towards ftp.freesoftware.com from hosts in > AS3292 I've been seeing the same results from here in AS 3, although there is enough local brokenness that I can't pin it down for certain. -GAWollman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Apr 20 8: 8:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from owlstation.cslab.vt.edu (owlstation.cslab.vt.edu [198.82.184.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8373C37B424; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:08:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkurdzio@snowcow.cslab.vt.edu) Received: from snowcow.cslab.vt.edu (snowcow.cslab.vt.edu [198.82.184.27]) by owlstation.cslab.vt.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3KF7xb75826; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:08:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wkurdzio@snowcow.cslab.vt.edu) Received: from localhost (wkurdzio@localhost) by snowcow.cslab.vt.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3KF6W142986; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:06:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wkurdzio@snowcow.cslab.vt.edu) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:06:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Wes Kurdziolek To: Doug Porter Cc: , , Subject: Re: Packet loss between fa0-0.br1.nycmny.us and a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us towards ftp.freesoftware.com In-Reply-To: <20010419182312.D26057@indy.progenylinux.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ftp3.freebsd.org is planning on setting up an rsync server. We're waiting on some new hard drives to come in b/c we're kinda cramped right now. -- Wes Kurdziolek Virginia Tech Computer Science Lab UNIX System Administrator E-mail: wkurdzio@cslab.vt.edu Voice: +1 (540) 231-3457 Office: 116A McBryde On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Doug Porter wrote: > Jesper Skriver wrote: > > > > I see massive packet loss towards ftp.freesoftware.com from > > hosts in AS3292 (this test was performed from 195.249.6.93, a > > interface on ftp.dk.FreeBSD.org), it seems that it appear in > > your network between > > Having similar issues from here. Earlier today I was > experiencing no packet loss, but at the moment it is ugly. I > have pasted my trace and pings to hopefully help is diagnoses. > > While I am writing here. I would like to announce our new > FreeBSD mirror which is availible at: > > ftp://archive.progeny.com/FreeBSD/ > http://archive.progeny.com/FreeBSD/ > rsync://archive.progeny.com/FreeBSD/ > > Is there any chance of allowing rsync access to ftp.freebsd.org? > If that is not possible I may just keep mirroring from > ftp2.freebsd.org. > > - Doug > > dsp@archive:~$ /usr/sbin/traceroute ftp.freebsd.org > traceroute to ftp.freesoftware.com (216.66.64.162), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 Progeny-49-1.OneCall.Net (216.37.49.1) 0.973 ms 0.645 ms 0.259 ms > 2 IndyX-MAE-E.OneCall.Net (216.37.1.3) 19.020 ms 19.234 ms 19.287 ms > 3 mae-east-atm.lightning.net (198.32.187.99) 25.478 ms 26.120 ms 25.124 ms > 4 f1-0-0.br1.nycmny2.us.lightning.net (209.51.180.65) 28.426 ms 26.474 ms 25.960 ms > 5 a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us.lightning.net (216.66.3.2) 69.005 ms 67.679 ms 61.585 ms > 6 s7-1.br1.nycmny1.us.lightning.net (216.66.3.29) 70.610 ms 71.953 ms * > 7 ftp.freesoftware.com (216.66.64.162) 60.251 ms 73.358 ms 66.984 ms > > dsp@archive:~$ ping -qc 100 f1-0-0.br1.nycmny2.us.lightning.net > PING f1-0-0.br1.nycmny2.us.lightning.net (209.51.180.65): 56 data bytes > --- f1-0-0.br1.nycmny2.us.lightning.net ping statistics --- > 100 packets transmitted, 99 packets received, 1% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max = 25.5/30.8/142.5 ms > > dsp@archive:~$ ping -qc 100 a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us.lightning.net > PING a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us.lightning.net (216.66.3.2): 56 data bytes > --- a1-0-1.cr2.nycmny1.us.lightning.net ping statistics --- > 100 packets transmitted, 78 packets received, 22% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max = 35.2/71.7/546.8 ms > > dsp@archive:~$ ping -qc 100 s7-1.br1.nycmny1.us.lightning.net > PING s7-1.br1.nycmny1.us.lightning.net (216.66.3.29): 56 data bytes > --- s7-1.br1.nycmny1.us.lightning.net ping statistics --- > 100 packets transmitted, 65 packets received, 35% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max = 42.2/66.9/91.5 ms > > dsp@archive:~$ ping -qc 100 ftp.freebsd.org > PING ftp.freesoftware.com (216.66.64.162): 56 data bytes > --- ftp.freesoftware.com ping statistics --- > 100 packets transmitted, 64 packets received, 36% packet loss > round-trip min/avg/max = 35.6/64.5/92.2 ms > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Apr 20 9:17:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from casimir.physics.purdue.edu (casimir.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.146.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0196637B424; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:17:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@physics.purdue.edu) Received: by casimir.physics.purdue.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1443B1BD72; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:14:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:14:39 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.3-RC5 now on ftp.freebsd.org Message-ID: <20010420111439.Q5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> Reply-To: Will Andrews References: <83033.987782742@critter> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+84OEkE2sKTXuqtJ" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <83033.987782742@critter>; from phk@critter.freebsd.dk on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 06:05:42PM +0200 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.18 sparc64 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --+84OEkE2sKTXuqtJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 06:05:42PM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > With or without probelms, I think we should have a "ftp-master" > just like we have a cvsup-master server. I think so too. It would allow us to give mirrors priority when we've got releases coming, and there's a release that's supposed to be on ftp.freebsd.org *TOMORROW*. HELLO LIGHTNING, JKH, ET AL, WE HAVE A RELEASE AND ITS COMING OUT TOMORROW!!! WHERE THE HELL IS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE?!?! d:) --=20 wca --+84OEkE2sKTXuqtJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE64GBvF47idPgWcsURAuThAKCBKes1tt4ixm1LRvnZyHlxGdoq5QCdHPCb su/eRvF7nli2w8lA0npAn6M= =m5je -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+84OEkE2sKTXuqtJ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Apr 20 9:45:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from boco.fee.vutbr.cz (boco.fee.vutbr.cz [147.229.9.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5F337B423; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:45:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cejkar@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.dcse.fee.vutbr.cz (kazi.dcse.fee.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by boco.fee.vutbr.cz (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3KGjYt61807 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:45:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.dcse.fee.vutbr.cz (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f3KGjXF61094; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:45:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:45:33 +0200 From: Cejka Rudolf To: Will Andrews Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.3-RC5 now on ftp.freebsd.org Message-ID: <20010420184533.A60728@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz> References: <83033.987782742@critter> <20010420111439.Q5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010420111439.Q5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu>; from will@physics.purdue.edu on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 11:14:39AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Will Andrews wrote (2001/04/20): > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 06:05:42PM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > With or without probelms, I think we should have a "ftp-master" > > just like we have a cvsup-master server. > > I think so too. It would allow us to give mirrors priority when we've > got releases coming, and there's a release that's supposed to be on > ftp.freebsd.org *TOMORROW*. HELLO LIGHTNING, JKH, ET AL, WE HAVE A > RELEASE AND ITS COMING OUT TOMORROW!!! WHERE THE HELL IS OUR > INFRASTRUCTURE?!?! d:) Yes yes yes. Great idea. And I would like to see even more changes: On master site, please: *) Do not upload files (especially iso images) with read permissions on. The problem is still here. The last case was with an alpha iso image, furthermore, it was uploaded to non-target place. *) Give responsible person or an email address, where we can report ftp errors such as inaccessible files in the public tree. Postings into hubs@FreeBSD.org were insufficient and it seems that nobody knows who what uploads where. Why there are unreadable files, is there any good reason? Look in /pub/FreeBSD/development/{misc,ports/emulators,ports/math} and so on. *) Separate or specify parts good for ftp mirroring and parts for cvs mirroring. At this time it seems to be branches/*, development/FreeBSD-CVS and doc/mailing-lists (but not all files): It is not very good idea to ftp mirror these subtrees - rather cvs should be used. -- Rudolf Cejka (cejkar@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz; http://www.fee.vutbr.cz/~cejkar) Brno University of Technology, Faculty of El. Engineering and Comp. Science Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Apr 20 10: 3:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4C637B423; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:03:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E05C10F400; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:03:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <053101c0c9bb$ce840600$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Cejka Rudolf" , "Will Andrews" Cc: , References: <83033.987782742@critter> <20010420111439.Q5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> <20010420184533.A60728@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.3-RC5 now on ftp.freebsd.org Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:03:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is -release coming out today or just rc5? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cejka Rudolf" To: "Will Andrews" Cc: ; Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.3-RC5 now on ftp.freebsd.org > Will Andrews wrote (2001/04/20): > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 06:05:42PM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > With or without probelms, I think we should have a "ftp-master" > > > just like we have a cvsup-master server. > > > > I think so too. It would allow us to give mirrors priority when we've > > got releases coming, and there's a release that's supposed to be on > > ftp.freebsd.org *TOMORROW*. HELLO LIGHTNING, JKH, ET AL, WE HAVE A > > RELEASE AND ITS COMING OUT TOMORROW!!! WHERE THE HELL IS OUR > > INFRASTRUCTURE?!?! d:) > > Yes yes yes. Great idea. And I would like to see even more changes: > > On master site, please: > > *) Do not upload files (especially iso images) with read permissions on. > The problem is still here. The last case was with an alpha iso image, > furthermore, it was uploaded to non-target place. > > *) Give responsible person or an email address, where we can report > ftp errors such as inaccessible files in the public tree. Postings > into hubs@FreeBSD.org were insufficient and it seems that nobody > knows who what uploads where. Why there are unreadable > files, is there any good reason? Look in > /pub/FreeBSD/development/{misc,ports/emulators,ports/math} and so on. > > *) Separate or specify parts good for ftp mirroring and parts for > cvs mirroring. At this time it seems to be branches/*, > development/FreeBSD-CVS and doc/mailing-lists (but not all files): > It is not very good idea to ftp mirror these subtrees - rather cvs > should be used. > > -- > Rudolf Cejka (cejkar@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz; http://www.fee.vutbr.cz/~cejkar) > Brno University of Technology, Faculty of El. Engineering and Comp. Science > Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sat Apr 21 13:21:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from lorax.dcsl.Buffalo.EDU (lorax.dcsl.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2930437B423 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:21:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kensmith@dcsl.Buffalo.EDU) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by lorax.dcsl.Buffalo.EDU (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f3LKLNX21883 for hubs@freebsd.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200104212021.f3LKLNX21883@lorax.dcsl.Buffalo.EDU> From: kensmith@dcsl.Buffalo.EDU To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Ouch maybe? Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You might want to consider shutting down the FTP daemon on the new "ftp.freebsd.org" until pub/FreeBSD is a bit more populated. Some of us who mirror your site are kinda generous about what percentage mirror should delete because your site typically has a large file turn-over under even normal circumstances. I managed to catch it before mirror saw your new site but others might lose a lot of data through deletes... Just a thought, I realize you must be kinda swamped and hammered on right now... ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sat Apr 21 13:40:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF58637B422 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:40:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3LKeFM60818 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:40:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Heads up on 4.3-RELEASE on "ftp.freebsd.org" X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010421134015J.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 13:40:15 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 36 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear mirrors, The 4.3-RELEASE bits are currently in the process of uploading to ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ and should be done in the next couple of hours. As of now, we have the full i386 "ftp bits" on the site and the i386 ISO image is on its way over. The alpha "ftp bits" are also currently copying to the site, though the alpha ISO image may take another day or so to produce - I'm still waiting for the packages. What is probably most important to know right now, however, is the fact that "ftp.freebsd.org" is currently pointing to usw3.freebsd.org, also known as stable.freebsd.org and releng4.freebsd.org. The machine ftp.freesoftware.com has been taken down by Lightning Internet and there is no immediate ETA on its revival, so this is just a short-term measure to get the 4.3 bits out the door. More importantly, it also means that for right now, older releases are not on the site and that the pub/FreeBSD directory also contains the -stable snapshots. This means that you should NOT simply blindly mirror ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ with the delete option on (in which case you'll lose all the older releases) or fail to exclude the snapshots directory unless you actually want all those snapshots on your mirror. I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but this happened with literally no warning so a painless transition simply wasn't an option for us. Had I known in advance, I would have made stable.freebsd.org a full FTP mirror before adding the 4.3-RELEASE bits to it. For now, I think it's best to simply regard "ftp.freebsd.org" as a place to get 4.3 from and nothing else. Once ftp.freesoftware.com comes back up, all the bits will be recombined there again. Thanks, - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sat Apr 21 15:47:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1927737B423 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:47:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@dstc.edu.au) Received: from azure.dstc.edu.au (azure.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.27]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3LMkx416758; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:46:59 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:47:02 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up on 4.3-RELEASE on "ftp.freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <20010421134015J.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 1.0 (http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/) Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: i can't even connect to ftp.freebsd.org. if someone in the US has managed to mirror any/all of 4.3-release and preferably has rsync access, can you please let me know so i can get ftp.au.freebsd.org up to date. -jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sat Apr 21 16: 4:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBAAF37B423 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:04:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@dstc.edu.au) Received: from azure.dstc.edu.au (azure.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.27]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3LN4a417402; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:04:36 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 09:04:39 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up on 4.3-RELEASE on "ftp.freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: <20010421134015J.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 1.0 (http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/) Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > More importantly, it also means that for right now, older releases are > not on the site and that the pub/FreeBSD directory also contains the > -stable snapshots. This means that you should NOT simply blindly > mirror ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ with the delete option on > (in which case you'll lose all the older releases) or fail to exclude > the snapshots directory unless you actually want all those snapshots > on your mirror. it also means that you'll find the entire 1.X gigabyte package tree is now directly in this directory - previously it was a pointer to another area ports/i386/packages-4-stable/ if you are mirroring 4.3-RELEASE, be prepared for a release that is about 6 times larger than normal i assume. i'm not sure if 4.3 release has got a snapshot of packages like previous releases (e.g packages-4.3-release) or if it will stay with linking to packages-4-stable (much better disk space usage IMHO). -jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sat Apr 21 16:57:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from reva.sixgirls.org (reva.sixgirls.org [64.152.7.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368AB37B42C for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:57:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jean@reva.sixgirls.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by reva.sixgirls.org (8.11.3+3.4W/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3LNv2409990 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:57:01 -0400 (EDT) From: John To: Subject: FreeBSD mirrors broken and out of date Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Today I tried to get the latest ports.tar.gz for my girlfriend's computer. First, I ftp'd anonymously to ftp.freebsd.org; I got three directories in /pub/FreeBSD/, namely extras, releases, and snapshots. So I tried ftp2.freebsd.org; after cd'ing to /pub/FreeBSD/ports/ports/.., I saw a ports.tar.gz dated February 8th. Finally, I got one dated April 18th from ftp3.freebsd.org. Should machines that are not following along with the mirror plan be listed in the freebsd.org domain? Thanks, John Klos sixgirls.org Systems Adminstrator To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sat Apr 21 19:14:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45AA837B42C for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:14:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3M2E7M61781; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:14:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: jason@dstc.edu.au Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Heads up on 4.3-RELEASE on "ftp.freebsd.org" In-Reply-To: References: <20010421134015J.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010421191407M.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:14:07 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 11 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When things are moved back to ftp.freesoftware.com, 4.3-RELEASE will still have its own collection of packages (packages-4.3-release), they'll just be in a different directory. Or maybe not. It's hard to figure out why we made it a symlink at all when it was release specific anyway. Sharing the packages-4-stable directory has already been debated and largely rejected by folks who wanted a fixed, unchanging package snapshot to accompany the release. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message