From owner-freebsd-i18n Mon May 21 1:53:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from mx.globalone.ru (mx.globalone.ru [194.84.254.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DBA37B424 for ; Mon, 21 May 2001 01:53:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.voropay@globalone.ru) Received: from hq.globalone.ru (hq.globalone.ru [172.16.38.1]) by mx.globalone.ru (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f4L8rOR08562 for ; Mon, 21 May 2001 12:53:24 +0400 Received: from host205.spb.in.rosprint.ru ([172.17.13.205]) by hq.globalone.ru (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDOGOZ00.T0V; Mon, 21 May 2001 12:53:23 +0400 Message-ID: <0cb901c0e1d3$bdadb1c0$cd0d11ac@host205.spb.in.rosprint.ru> From: "Alexander Voropay" To: Cc: Subject: Re: CFR: ISO_* -> ISO-* locale renaming Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:55:04 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG T.SHIOZAKI wrote: > On the other hand, Linux is the only system which > uses MIME names as locale codeset now. They (glibc2 (not Linux!) developers) uses small hack - "codeset name mangling" for IANA charset alises support. They translates all to lowercase and removes all "-", "_" e.t.c. So, ALL forms of ISO* charset names goes into "iso88591" e.t.c. Try "locale -a" on any Glibc2 based system (Linux as example ;-). Unfortunately, this hack does not work with real aliases, f.e. "CP-866" .vs. "IBM-866" or "CP1251" .vs. "Windows-1251" -- -=AV=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Wed May 23 16:29:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A56937B422; Wed, 23 May 2001 16:29:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4NNTXV76734; Thu, 24 May 2001 03:29:34 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 03:29:27 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Noriyuki Soda Cc: i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, audit@FreeBSD.ORG, bsd-locale@hauN.org Subject: Re: CFR: ISO_* -> ISO-* locale renaming Message-ID: <20010524032926.A76116@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010518203702.B79058@nagual.pp.ru> <20010519050946U.tshiozak@din.or.jp> <200105182238.HAA29872@srapc342.sra.co.jp> <20010519031612.B83245@nagual.pp.ru> <200105182356.IAA00242@srapc342.sra.co.jp> <200105190022.JAA00323@srapc342.sra.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200105190022.JAA00323@srapc342.sra.co.jp>; from soda@sra.co.jp on Sat, May 19, 2001 at 09:22:08AM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 09:22:08 +0900, Noriyuki Soda wrote: > Please use the Citrus project as the 3rd party which maintains > codeset name. Actually, that is the reason why citrus project > maintains unified source tree for both FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. > We, Citrus project, are trying to keep consistency between > all BSDs, and trying to keep consistency with rest of the > world, if it is possible. Could you please point me to current Citrus codeset registry? In few words, what it have in common with other systems and what are the differences? How someone can submit new codeset there? -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Wed May 23 16:31:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A893137B422; Wed, 23 May 2001 16:31:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4NNVjf78072; Thu, 24 May 2001 03:31:47 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 03:31:39 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Noriyuki Soda Cc: i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, audit@FreeBSD.ORG, bsd-locale@hauN.org Subject: Re: CFR: ISO_* -> ISO-* locale renaming Message-ID: <20010524033139.B76116@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010518203702.B79058@nagual.pp.ru> <20010519050946U.tshiozak@din.or.jp> <200105182238.HAA29872@srapc342.sra.co.jp> <20010519031612.B83245@nagual.pp.ru> <200105182356.IAA00242@srapc342.sra.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200105182356.IAA00242@srapc342.sra.co.jp>; from soda@sra.co.jp on Sat, May 19, 2001 at 08:56:54AM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 08:56:54 +0900, Noriyuki Soda wrote: > : At this point, I don't know the answer to your question, > : but am trying to see if someone else within The Open Group > : can help you. > : > : We will get back to you within the next couple of days. > > How about waiting for her answer for a while? > Do you got an answer from OpenGroup at this moment? -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Thu May 24 6:36:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from sraigw.sra.co.jp (sraigw.sra.co.jp [202.32.10.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B77437B616; Thu, 24 May 2001 06:36:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soda@sra.co.jp) Received: from sranhf.sra.co.jp (sranhf [133.137.28.3]) by sraigw.sra.co.jp (8.8.7/3.7W-sraigw) with ESMTP id WAA26253; Thu, 24 May 2001 22:36:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from srapc342.sra.co.jp (root@srapc342 [133.137.28.111]) by sranhf.sra.co.jp (8.8.7/3.6Wbeta7-srambox) with ESMTP id WAA19681; Thu, 24 May 2001 22:36:12 +0900 (JST) Received: (from soda@localhost) by srapc342.sra.co.jp (8.8.8/3.4W-sra) id WAA15144; Thu, 24 May 2001 22:36:11 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:36:11 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200105241336.WAA15144@srapc342.sra.co.jp> From: Noriyuki Soda To: i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, audit@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: bsd-locale@hauN.org Subject: Re: CFR: ISO_* -> ISO-* locale renaming In-Reply-To: <20010524032926.A76116@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010518203702.B79058@nagual.pp.ru> <20010519050946U.tshiozak@din.or.jp> <200105182238.HAA29872@srapc342.sra.co.jp> <20010519031612.B83245@nagual.pp.ru> <200105182356.IAA00242@srapc342.sra.co.jp> <200105190022.JAA00323@srapc342.sra.co.jp> <20010524032926.A76116@nagual.pp.ru> Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> On Thu, 24 May 2001 08:29:56 +0900, "Andrey A. Chernov" said: >> Please use the Citrus project as the 3rd party which maintains >> codeset name. Actually, that is the reason why citrus project >> maintains unified source tree for both FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. > Could you please point me to current Citrus codeset registry? Please look at xpg4dl/FreeBSD/share/*.src of citrus repository. How to get sources from citrus repository: http://www.haun.org/ml/b-l/a/0/28.html > In few words, what it have in common with other systems and what are the > differences? Citrus use same codeset name with X11's lib/X11/locale/locale.dir. And that is almost completely compatible with existing commercial UNIX implementations. > How someone can submit new codeset there? Please mail to bsd-locale@bsdclub.org. The way to subscribe this list and the achive of this list is described in the following URL: http://www.haun.org/ml/b-l/index.html.en The language used in this mailing list is English. -- soda To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Thu May 24 6:49: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from sraigw.sra.co.jp (sraigw.sra.co.jp [202.32.10.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EFF37B422; Thu, 24 May 2001 06:48:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soda@sra.co.jp) Received: from sranhf.sra.co.jp (sranhf [133.137.28.3]) by sraigw.sra.co.jp (8.8.7/3.7W-sraigw) with ESMTP id WAA26893; Thu, 24 May 2001 22:48:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from srapc342.sra.co.jp (root@srapc342 [133.137.28.111]) by sranhf.sra.co.jp (8.8.7/3.6Wbeta7-srambox) with ESMTP id WAA19705; Thu, 24 May 2001 22:48:53 +0900 (JST) Received: (from soda@localhost) by srapc342.sra.co.jp (8.8.8/3.4W-sra) id WAA15211; Thu, 24 May 2001 22:48:53 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:48:53 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200105241348.WAA15211@srapc342.sra.co.jp> From: Noriyuki Soda To: i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, audit@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: bsd-locale@hauN.org Subject: Re: CFR: ISO_* -> ISO-* locale renaming In-Reply-To: <20010524033139.B76116@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010518203702.B79058@nagual.pp.ru> <20010519050946U.tshiozak@din.or.jp> <200105182238.HAA29872@srapc342.sra.co.jp> <20010519031612.B83245@nagual.pp.ru> <200105182356.IAA00242@srapc342.sra.co.jp> <20010524033139.B76116@nagual.pp.ru> Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> On Thu, 24 May 2001 08:31:55 +0900, "Andrey A. Chernov" said: >> : At this point, I don't know the answer to your question, >> : but am trying to see if someone else within The Open Group >> : can help you. >> : >> : We will get back to you within the next couple of days. >> How about waiting for her answer for a while? > Do you got an answer from OpenGroup at this moment? No, not yet. But according to other reliable source, only Japanese codeset names are officialy registered in OpenGroup. BTW, the message from Bruno Haible, which said "the X11 name registry stopped being maintained a few years ago", is simply false as I supposed. You can see that the file is updated in Dec 12, 2000 via the following URL: http://ftp.x.org/pub/R6.6/xc/nls/locale.dir -- soda To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Thu May 24 16:53:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.147.1.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8755537B423; Thu, 24 May 2001 16:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tadayuki@mediaone.net) Received: from photoniii (h0005025b549e.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.67.188]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f4ONrK811724; Thu, 24 May 2001 19:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 19:52:44 -0400 From: Tadayuki OKADA To: Noriyuki Soda Cc: i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, audit@FreeBSD.ORG, bsd-locale@hauN.org Subject: Re: CFR: ISO_* -> ISO-* locale renaming Message-Id: <20010524195244.2b678172.tadayuki@mediaone.net> In-Reply-To: <200105241348.WAA15211@srapc342.sra.co.jp> References: <20010518203702.B79058@nagual.pp.ru> <20010519050946U.tshiozak@din.or.jp> <200105182238.HAA29872@srapc342.sra.co.jp> <20010519031612.B83245@nagual.pp.ru> <200105182356.IAA00242@srapc342.sra.co.jp> <20010524033139.B76116@nagual.pp.ru> <200105241348.WAA15211@srapc342.sra.co.jp> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.66 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 May 2001 22:48:53 +0900 (JST) Noriyuki Soda wrote: > BTW, the message from Bruno Haible, which said "the X11 name registry > stopped being maintained a few years ago", is simply false as > I supposed. You can see that the file is updated in Dec 12, 2000 via > the following URL: > http://ftp.x.org/pub/R6.6/xc/nls/locale.dir It seems he did the registration request to the unmaintained registry. :-b See: http://www.xfree86.org/pipermail/i18n/2001-May/001890.html -- Tadayuki OKADA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sat May 26 12:11:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AE537B422; Sat, 26 May 2001 12:11:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4QJBKD48723; Sat, 26 May 2001 23:11:20 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 23:11:15 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Noriyuki Soda Cc: i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, audit@FreeBSD.ORG, bsd-locale@hauN.org Subject: Re: CFR: ISO_* -> ISO-* locale renaming Message-ID: <20010526231113.A48637@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010518203702.B79058@nagual.pp.ru> <20010519050946U.tshiozak@din.or.jp> <200105182238.HAA29872@srapc342.sra.co.jp> <20010519031612.B83245@nagual.pp.ru> <200105182356.IAA00242@srapc342.sra.co.jp> <200105190022.JAA00323@srapc342.sra.co.jp> <20010524032926.A76116@nagual.pp.ru> <200105241336.WAA15144@srapc342.sra.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200105241336.WAA15144@srapc342.sra.co.jp>; from soda@sra.co.jp on Thu, May 24, 2001 at 10:36:11PM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 22:36:11 +0900, Noriyuki Soda wrote: > Please look at xpg4dl/FreeBSD/share/*.src of citrus repository. > Hmm. I not find any type of 'registry' there, only wild mix of old (and partially obsoleted) FreeBSD names and X11 ones. [You attempt to provide backward-compatible aliases, why? It makes programs LANG parsing and X11 locale sense harder]. It looks for me that Citrus not maintain any registry as official catalog with sources and responsible persons pointed, so we can't use it. We have only choice left between IANA and X11. I tend to agree with X11 registry. Could someone post CVS rename scheme for FreeBSD-current files? ISO_* -> ISO* is obvious, but I have no knowledge about Asian charset names. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message