From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 1 3:38:39 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 03:38:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [216.235.52.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0ED37B402 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 03:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10086; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 01:38:10 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 01:38:10 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Tom Samplonius Cc: "Seo Boon, NG" , Subject: Re: Dynamic routing reference sites In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Tom Samplonius wrote: > On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > you typically do not get anything close to a full view when you peer. A peer > > > only announce itself and it's customer. Hence, u can have many peers but it's > > > rarely that u'll see 'gigs' of routes for all the peers. > > > > Yes but aren;t you supposed to get routes from each peer to build > > your own routing table? > > Different meanings of the word "peer". It can mean any BGP peer, or it > can mean a network peer, as opposed to a provider-customer relationship. > If Sprint and MCI were to establish a new interconnection, they will peer, > and usually offer each other routes for their own AS only so they don't > transit traffic for each other. That's indeed true... > BGP route table sizes are likely different everywhere. There can > differences in filters (either on what is being let in, or being let out). > Some carriers have rather restrictive route acceptance policies. > Typically route filters are designed to prevent tiny network routes from > filling their tables. Also, routes for private local ASes are cause > differences. Yep, since it's kinda like everyone has a different preference to things. > Can we please let this thread die now? If you want to learn about BGP > one fact at time, you'll be here a _long_ time. Yeah, as long as no one replies.. Thanks all! =) Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 1 8:16: 5 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 08:16:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A72237B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 08:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F261D3E59; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:16:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:16:01 +0100 From: Jesper Skriver To: Vincent Poy Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , Christian Kratzer , Warren Welch , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dynamic routing reference sites Message-ID: <20010101171601.A87186@skriver.dk> References: <20001231183152.A68613@skriver.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET on Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 01:31:47PM -1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 01:31:47PM -1000, Vincent Poy wrote: > On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, Jesper Skriver wrote: > > BGP table version is 34619196, main routing table version 34619196 > > 115916 network entries and 345514 paths using 23334608 bytes of memory > > 75815 BGP path attribute entries using 3639120 bytes of memory > > 471 BGP rrinfo entries using 11304 bytes of memory > > 60418 BGP AS-PATH entries using 1502272 bytes of memory > > 379 BGP community entries using 10516 bytes of memory > > 98416 BGP route-map cache entries using 1574656 bytes of memory > > Dampening enabled. 290 history paths, 72 dampened paths > > BGP activity 794102/678186 prefixes, 23640513/23294999 paths > > This is pretty interesting since I know it seems like everyone > seems to show a different amount of routes depending upon which Cisco > router is looked upon. The above includes > 20k internal routes (redistributed static routes pointing to customers), the internet routeing tables is just below 100k routes currently. /Jesper -- Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 Work: Network manager @ AS3292 (Tele Danmark DataNetworks) Private: Geek @ AS2109 (A much smaller network ;-) One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 1 8:17:11 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 08:17:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE78337B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 08:17:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 426863E4B; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:17:09 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:17:09 +0100 From: Jesper Skriver To: Vincent Poy Cc: "Seo Boon, NG" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dynamic routing reference sites Message-ID: <20010101171709.B87186@skriver.dk> References: <20010101004930.A9470@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET on Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 02:01:54PM -1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 02:01:54PM -1000, Vincent Poy wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Seo Boon, NG wrote: > > > Wrote Vincent Poy on Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 07:40:02PM SGT > > | > > | yeah, they don't but doesn't AboveNet peer with everyone, it seems > > | like it will take a few gigs of routes for those. > > > > you typically do not get anything close to a full view when you peer. A peer > > only announce itself and it's customer. Hence, u can have many peers but it's > > rarely that u'll see 'gigs' of routes for all the peers. > > Yes but aren;t you supposed to get routes from each peer to build > your own routing table? Yes, but you'll only get full routing from your transit providers, a normal bilateral peering doesn't provide transit, so each provider will only announce their own + customer routes. /Jesper -- Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 Work: Network manager @ AS3292 (Tele Danmark DataNetworks) Private: Geek @ AS2109 (A much smaller network ;-) One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 1 19: 4:30 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 19:04:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hawk-systems.com (unknown [161.58.152.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BA037B402 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:04:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from server0 (cr901664-a.pr1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.146.66]) by hawk-systems.com (8.8.8) id UAA95832 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:02:59 -0700 (MST) From: "Dave VanAuken" To: Subject: RE: Jail problems - Continued on fbsd 4.2 Release Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 22:11:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jail still not responding to telnet attempts. Have downloaded and completed a fresh install of FreeBSD 4.2 Release still had to run "make world" to get all the make builds to complete properly (following the man pages for "jail"). Annoying, but whatever. once complete, have gone through the steps for activating the jail... after ifconfiging the alias for the new IP addr, mounting the proc I run the jail and get teh following: **start screen dump** # jail /usr/home/lcadmin lewiscraft.ca 192.168.1.111 /bin/sh /etc/rc Skipping disk checks ... adjkerntz[269]: sysctl(set_disrtcset): Operation not permitted dmesg: short read dmesg: kvm_read: Doing initial network setup:. ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCDIFADDR): permission denied lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 Additional routing options: tcp extensions=NOsysctl: net.inet.tcp.rfc1323: Opera tion not permitted TCP keepalive=YESsysctl: net.inet.tcp.always_keepalive: Operation not permitted . routing daemons:. additional daemons: syslogd. Doing additional network setup:. Starting final network daemons:. setting ELF ldconfig path: /usr/lib /usr/lib/compat setting a.out ldconfig path: /usr/lib/aout /usr/lib/compat/aout starting standard daemons: inetd cron sendmail. Initial rc.i386 initialization:. rc.i386 configuring syscons: blank_time/etc/rc.i386: cannot open /dev/ttyv0: no such file . additional ABI support:. Local package initialization:. Additional TCP options:. Mon Jan 1 21:44:36 CST 2001 # **end screen dump** as you can see we are getting an operation not permitted error from the start, and from what I can discern, this is causing a cascade of the other errors. added the flags to the host machine rc.conf as indicated in man jail(8) used sysinstall witin the jail to set up user, root pw (worked this time)... Am not sure about the following as directed in the man jail(8) - created a blank file for the /etc/fstab within the jail - that right?? - disabled port mapper from within sysinstall(in jail) - ran newaliases - no problems - !!not sure what they want for disabling the interface configuration... - !!not sure what needs to be entered in /etc/resolve.conf for the jail's name resolution - root password set via sysinstall(in jail) - timezone set via sysinstall(in jail) - account added via sysinstall(in jail) - have not added any packages yet not sure where to look, appreciate feedback/advice/RTFM pointers :) Dave - what to set up for resolv.conf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 1 19:10:16 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 19:10:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hawk-systems.com (unknown [161.58.152.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B80437B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from server0 (cr901664-a.pr1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.146.66]) by hawk-systems.com (8.8.8) id UAA96181 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:08:48 -0700 (MST) From: "Dave VanAuken" To: Subject: RE: Jail problems - Continued on fbsd 4.2 Release (ifconfig and netstat output) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 22:16:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org to go with previous problem post Dave (ifconfig) xl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.1.110 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 inet6 fe80::250:daff:fe66:8f4c%xl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet 192.168.1.111 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255 ether 00:50:da:66:8f:4c media: autoselect (10baseT/UTP) status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP 100baseTX (netstat) Active Internet connections Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address (state) tcp4 0 4 nx1.telnet 192.168.1.100.2792 ESTABLISHED tcp4 0 0 192.168.1.111.submissi *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 192.168.1.111.smtp *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 192.168.1.111.telnet *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 192.168.1.111.ftp *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 nx1.telnet *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 nx1.ftp *.* LISTEN udp4 0 0 192.168.1.111.ntalk *.* udp4 0 0 192.168.1.111.biff *.* udp4 0 0 192.168.1.111.syslog *.* udp4 0 0 nx1.ntalk *.* udp4 0 0 nx1.biff *.* Active UNIX domain sockets Address Type Recv-Q Send-Q Inode Conn Refs Nextref Addr c8b05e80 dgram 0 0 0 c8b05f40 0 c8b05ec0 c8b05ec0 dgram 0 0 0 c8b05f40 0 c8b05f00 c8b05f00 dgram 0 0 0 c8b05f40 0 0 c8b05f40 dgram 0 0 c8b49b00 0 c8b05e80 0 /var/run/log c8b05f80 dgram 0 0 0 c8b01fc0 0 c8b05fc0 c8b05fc0 dgram 0 0 0 c8b01fc0 0 0 c8b01fc0 dgram 0 0 c8aff740 0 c8b05f80 0 /var/run/log To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 1 19:42:20 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 19:42:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3E737B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14DHdq-0000fi-00; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:57:38 -0800 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 18:57:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Dave VanAuken Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Jail problems - Continued on fbsd 4.2 Release In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Dave VanAuken wrote: > Jail still not responding to telnet attempts. From outside hosts? Or from the same host? There is a classic issue with aliased IPs on the same interface that are not reachable from the localhost, but are reachable from external systems until a localhost route is added. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 1 21: 5:41 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 21:05:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from newmail.netbistro.com (newmail.netbistro.com [204.239.167.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C3C237B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:05:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16144 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Jan 2001 05:05:32 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:05:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Simola X-Sender: jon@newmail.netbistro.com To: Dave VanAuken Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Jail problems - Continued on fbsd 4.2 Release In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: jon@netbistro.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Dave VanAuken wrote: > Jail still not responding to telnet attempts. On the host machine, your rc.conf entries should look something like: network_interfaces="fxp0 lo0" ifconfig_fxp0="inet x.x.x.192 netmask 0xffffff00" ifconfig_fxp0_alias0="inet x.x.x.193 netmask 0xffffff00" route_0="x.x.x.193 -iface lo0" Also allows things like perl processes inside the jail to talk to the MySQL server running on the host. > once complete, have gone through the steps for activating the jail... > after ifconfiging the alias for the new IP addr, mounting the proc I Mounting a procfs inside the jail is fairly optional, despite what the man page says. At least, I've never run across anything that doesn't work because I don't have a procfs in the jail. > run the jail and get teh following: > **start screen dump** > adjkerntz[269]: sysctl(set_disrtcset): Operation not permitted > net.inet.tcp.rfc1323: Operation not permitted > TCP keepalive=YESsysctl: net.inet.tcp.always_keepalive: Operation not > permitted > **end screen dump** > as you can see we are getting an operation not permitted error from > the start, and from what I can discern, this is causing a cascade of > the other errors. The default jail config uses the same rc files as a real server, so it tries to set some sysctl options while booting, which isn't allowed inside a jail. Edit the rc files in the jail's /etc to remove the sysctl calls, or ignore them as harmless errors. > Am not sure about the following as directed in the man jail(8) > - created a blank file for the /etc/fstab within the jail - that > right?? Yep, a file should exist so that programs and scripts that expect one don't break. > - disabled port mapper from within sysinstall(in jail) > - ran newaliases - no problems > - root password set via sysinstall(in jail) > - timezone set via sysinstall(in jail) > - account added via sysinstall(in jail) > - have not added any packages yet Fine. > - !!not sure what they want for disabling the interface > configuration... Here's the rc.conf from one of my jails: portmap_enable="NO" network_interfaces="" sendmail_enable="NO" You remove all network interfaces so that the rc boot scripts don't try and configure anything while booting the jail. > - !!not sure what needs to be entered in /etc/resolve.conf for the > jail's name resolution Just a nameserver line. I haven't gotten around to trying to run a dns resolver on the localhost interface inside the jail, but I think it should work. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 1:28: 2 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 01:27:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aifhs8.alcatel.fr (aifhs8.alcatel.fr [212.208.74.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374C137B400; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 01:27:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr (frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.251.32]) by aifhs8.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP2) with SMTP id KAA16745; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:27:50 +0100 (MET) Received: by frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id C12569C8.0033FA69 ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:27:44 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ALCATEL From: Thierry.Herbelot@alcatel.fr To: JonMS2010@aol.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:46:35 +0100 Subject: Re: USB ADSL Modem -- Compatible? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=54RWynAJJdWsnKZUCkj94duj6O0LQqVd63eSOprjhF65StXIguceSyFg" Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --0__=54RWynAJJdWsnKZUCkj94duj6O0LQqVd63eSOprjhF65StXIguceSyFg Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello, there is not -yet- any FreeBSD-compatible USB ADSL modem. there is a product by Alcatel, for which a Linux driver should be released in some time. (this driver, if it was open-source, could be a good start for an independant FreeBSD driver) I don't think there will be *soon* a FreeBSD driver (the development is done for the most popular platforms, and FreeBSD is not one of those) TfH JonMS2010@aol.com on 30/12/2000 00:04:45 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG(bcc: Thierry HERBELOT/FR/ALCATEL) Subject: USB ADSL Modem -- Compatible? Does anyone know if a USB DSL Modem is compatible with a basic installation of 4.2-RELEASE? If so, please let me know. But, if not, and there is a more complex solution, please e-mail me back with that information too. Thanks. -- Jonathan M. Slivko -- Jonathan M. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Jon Simola wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Dave VanAuken wrote: > > > Jail still not responding to telnet attempts. > > On the host machine, your rc.conf entries should look something like: > network_interfaces="fxp0 lo0" > ifconfig_fxp0="inet x.x.x.192 netmask 0xffffff00" > ifconfig_fxp0_alias0="inet x.x.x.193 netmask 0xffffff00" > route_0="x.x.x.193 -iface lo0" > > Also allows things like perl processes inside the jail to talk to the MySQL > server running on the host. just a minor nitpick here. On aliased ip addresses always use 0xffffffff as the netmask. Else ifconfig will try readding the route to the attached network which already is there from the primary ip address of the interface. Using all ones netmask in the ifconfig also automatically gets you the host route you require for local connectivity. Greetings Christian -- TopLink Internet Services GmbH ck@171.2.195.in-addr.arpa Christian Kratzer http://www.toplink.net/ Phone: +49 7032 2701-0 Fax: +49 7032 2701-19 FreeBSD spoken here! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 13:55:26 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 13:55:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from jeffdev.billmax.com (unknown [64.56.77.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C451B37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by jeffdev.billmax.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02531 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:59:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jeff@jeff.net) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:59:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeffrey D. LaCoursiere" X-Sender: jeff@jeffdev.billmax.com To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FW: Prepaid Internet Service (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings - thought I would say a blurb or two about what was said below. It is true that most of the BillMax processes run as root. This is only a security issue if the machine is accessible to the outside world, which generally it is not. Our recommended configuration is to place the BillMax server behind a firewall and use in-kernel packet filtering to further restrict access. The web interface should only be accessible to internal employees, who must authenticate before accessing. The shell prompt should only be accessible by your network and data admins, who are assumed to have such access on all of your servers. At this point you are well secured against all but your internal employees, who would have to come up with a crack against apache httpd (running as "nobody") or Merit radius (if radius is being used). The mysqld is configured not to allow network connects as shipped. I am unaware of any current cracks for these daemons, though it would not surprise me to learn of new ones. I am certainly open to discuss security issues with regards to our product, but installed correctly I do not believe any exist. Thanks, Jeff LaCoursiere President/CEO BillMax ISP Billing Solutions The iSpark Group, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of JonMS2010@aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 4:13 PM To: muditha@seychelles.net Cc: drew.weaver@thenap.com; khaled@w-arts.com; cshenton@outbounderinc.com; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Prepaid Internet Service Well, The BillMax proccess has to run as root. So, there is a security issue right there. A secondary issue Another issue is that it runs on the Internet, not on an intranet, even if it's password protected. Everything can be hacked/cracked/bruteforced, etc. if someone has the time, means and inclination to do something about it. So, the best thing to do would probbably talk to them and see if you can find a way to make it run as non root, (maybe nobody or something like that). Well, thats basically what I have to say about security in that respect. Also, there may be other security issues that I am not aware of because I haven't used BillMax in a while (more than a year). -- Jonathan M. Slivko -- Jonathan M. Slivko Homepage: http://members.aol.com/JonMS2010/ "FreeBSD: The Power To Serve!" -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 14:34:19 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 14:34:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from earth.isni.net (earth.isni.net [208.160.180.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBB837B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:34:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from Draco.isni.net (Draco.isni.net [208.160.183.4]) by earth.isni.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f02MYG221324 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:34:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010102161348.00abf250@mail.isni.net> X-Sender: zombie@mail.isni.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:33:07 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Zombie Subject: Password lengths. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am relatively new to encryption with passwords and I am in the process of switching from a BSDi 4.1 machine to a FreeBSD 4.2 stable. I want to transfer the password list over but I need compatibility for +8 character passwords. Do you have any ideas. As far as I know, The BSDi machine is running with DES encryption and I dread the thought of reentering, by hand, all 2k user names and passwords. Thank you, Don To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 14:36: 4 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 14:35:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.thenap.com (mailman.thenap.com [209.190.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C490D37B402 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:35:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailman.thenap.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:46:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Drew J. Weaver" To: 'Zombie' , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Password lengths. Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:46:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0750D.E99AA668" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0750D.E99AA668 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In BSDi you can use commands minpasslen=# and maxpasslen=# in the /etc/login.conf I am not sure if it is identical in FreeBSD but I imagine it would be. -----Original Message----- From: Zombie [mailto:zombie@isni.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 5:33 PM To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Password lengths. I am relatively new to encryption with passwords and I am in the process of switching from a BSDi 4.1 machine to a FreeBSD 4.2 stable. I want to transfer the password list over but I need compatibility for +8 character passwords. Do you have any ideas. As far as I know, The BSDi machine is running with DES encryption and I dread the thought of reentering, by hand, all 2k user names and passwords. Thank you, Don To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0750D.E99AA668 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Password lengths.

In BSDi you can use commands minpasslen=3D# and = maxpasslen=3D# in the /etc/login.conf I am not sure if it is identical = in FreeBSD but I imagine it would be.

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From: Zombie [mailto:zombie@isni.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 5:33 PM
To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org
Subject: Password lengths.


I am relatively new to encryption with passwords and = I am in the process of
switching from a BSDi 4.1 machine to a FreeBSD 4.2 = stable.  I want to
transfer the password list over but I need = compatibility for +8 character
passwords.  Do you have any ideas.
As far as I know, The BSDi machine is running with = DES encryption and I
dread the thought of reentering, by hand, all 2k = user names and passwords.

Thank you,
Don



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0750D.E99AA668-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 14:57: 0 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 14:56:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.futuredesigns.net (unknown [216.91.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D633437B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:56:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 78066 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2001 22:56:57 -0000 Received: from sun.futuredesigns.net (HELO SUN.mikesweb.com) (216.91.66.69) by 216.91.66.2 with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 22:56:57 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net> X-Sender: sturdee@mail.futuredesigns.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:58:24 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Mike Subject: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have kind of an odd question. I have a Cisco 2610 connected to 2 T1's to Savvis. I have a pending UUnet T1. Simplest option would be get a 3640 with 3 T1 internal dsu's. BUT, that is $13k and change. I also have a 2501 sitting here not being used, and a BSD box with 3 nics being used as firewall. My idea: 2 Savvis T1's on the 2610 1 UUnet T1 on the 2501. Run those into 2 of the nics on the firewall box, then the other nic to my switch. I would like to make the bsd box be a bgp router (possibly with zebra) but I'm not quite sure if that would work or what? Configure it to broadcast our routing table, and pull routing tables from uunet and savvis. The cisco's don't have enough memory to do so, and I'm doubting they have the processing power with the traffic we get. Any suggestions/ideas would greatly be appreciated. Thanks Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 15: 1:33 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 15:01:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f38.hotmail.com [216.32.181.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEA137B402 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:01:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:01:31 -0800 Received: from 147.160.36.37 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 23:01:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [147.160.36.37] From: "Frank Cameron" To: zombie@isni.net Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Password lengths. Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 18:01:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2001 23:01:31.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[F202C180:01C0750F] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Check the archives/handbook for DES/MD5 passwords. I'm not exactly sure what you are asking. (I think this: you are moving users from a BSDi box using DES passwords to a FreeBSD box using MD5 passwords?) IIRC, it works something like this: If you have the FreeBSD system setup to use MD5 passwords, it is backwards compatible with DES passwords; so, if a user has a DES password (transfered from the BSDi box) the system, while defaulting to MD5 for new passwords, will pass the DES passwords to the old library functions. The mail archives should cover how to 'upgrade' from DES to MD5 after the accounts are transferred and working. I hope this helps. -frank >From: Zombie >To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >Subject: Password lengths. >Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:33:07 -0500 > >I am relatively new to encryption with passwords and I am in the process of >switching from a BSDi 4.1 machine to a FreeBSD 4.2 stable. I want to >transfer the password list over but I need compatibility for +8 character >passwords. Do you have any ideas. >As far as I know, The BSDi machine is running with DES encryption and I >dread the thought of reentering, by hand, all 2k user names and passwords. > >Thank you, >Don > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 15: 9:48 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 15:09:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [207.154.226.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB9837B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:09:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1098) id 493E82B427; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:09:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:09:36 -0600 From: Bill Fumerola To: Mike Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Message-ID: <20010102170936.A81119@elvis.mu.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net>; from mike@mikesweb.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:58:24PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-FEARSOME-20001103 i386 Sender: billf@elvis.mu.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:58:24PM -0500, Mike wrote: > I have kind of an odd question. I have a Cisco 2610 connected to 2 T1's to > Savvis. I have a pending UUnet T1. Simplest option would be get a 3640 with > 3 T1 internal dsu's. BUT, that is $13k and change. I also have a 2501 > sitting here not being used, and a BSD box with 3 nics being used as firewall. > > My idea: > 2 Savvis T1's on the 2610 > 1 UUnet T1 on the 2501. > Run those into 2 of the nics on the firewall box, then the other nic to my > switch. I would like to make the bsd box be a bgp router (possibly with > zebra) but I'm not quite sure if that would work or what? Configure it to > broadcast our routing table, and pull routing tables from uunet and savvis. > The cisco's don't have enough memory to do so, and I'm doubting they have > the processing power with the traffic we get. > > Any suggestions/ideas would greatly be appreciated. Drop the money, get the 3640, and if you play your cards right[1] I think you can fit all the above into a 3620. -- Bill Fumerola - security yahoo / Yahoo! inc. - fumerola@yahoo-inc.com / billf@FreeBSD.org 1. a lame pun, I apologize. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 15:20: 8 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 15:20:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.futuredesigns.net (unknown [216.91.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF91437B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:19:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 80686 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2001 23:19:58 -0000 Received: from sun.futuredesigns.net (HELO SUN.mikesweb.com) (216.91.66.69) by 216.91.66.2 with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 23:19:58 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102181803.02566d48@mail.futuredesigns.net> X-Sender: sturdee@mail.futuredesigns.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 18:21:25 -0500 To: Bill Fumerola From: Mike Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20010102170936.A81119@elvis.mu.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:09 PM 1/2/2001 -0600, Bill Fumerola wrote: >On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:58:24PM -0500, Mike wrote: > > I have kind of an odd question. I have a Cisco 2610 connected to 2 T1's to > > Savvis. I have a pending UUnet T1. Simplest option would be get a 3640 > with > > 3 T1 internal dsu's. BUT, that is $13k and change. I also have a 2501 > > sitting here not being used, and a BSD box with 3 nics being used as > firewall. > > > > My idea: > > 2 Savvis T1's on the 2610 > > 1 UUnet T1 on the 2501. > > Run those into 2 of the nics on the firewall box, then the other nic to my > > switch. I would like to make the bsd box be a bgp router (possibly with > > zebra) but I'm not quite sure if that would work or what? Configure it to > > broadcast our routing table, and pull routing tables from uunet and > savvis. > > The cisco's don't have enough memory to do so, and I'm doubting they have > > the processing power with the traffic we get. > > > > Any suggestions/ideas would greatly be appreciated. > >Drop the money, get the 3640, and if you play your cards right[1] >I think you can fit all the above into a 3620. Why do you suggest going with the 3640? I'm just going for opinions from all angles. The main reason I am shying away from buying a 3640 is because in the 3rd or 4th quarter, we will be getting a 7200 series router, and the 3640 would just be sitting in the closest next to the 2501 and the 2610. Thanks for your advice. Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 15:28:18 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 15:28:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Samizdat.uucom.com (samizdat.uucom.com [198.202.217.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08AC37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:28:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cshenton@localhost) by Samizdat.uucom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22575; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:27:49 -0500 (EST) To: "Jeffrey D. LaCoursiere" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FW: Prepaid Internet Service (fwd) References: From: Chris Shenton Date: 02 Jan 2001 18:27:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey D. LaCoursiere"'s message of "Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:59:09 -0600 (CST)" Message-ID: Lines: 18 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:59:09 -0600 (CST), "Jeffrey D. LaCoursiere" said: Jeffrey> It is true that most of the BillMax processes run as root. Jeffrey> This is only a security issue if the machine is accessible to Jeffrey> the outside world, which generally it is not. [...] I'll be doing some work for an ISP which just purchased BillMax. I'm a bit of a paranoid so running as root may bother me more than most -- even if you've tried to close all the doors you can think of. I prefer the "principal of least privilege". While I'm not intimate with BillMax yet, I have done lots of work with apache, php, perl, mysql, radius, etc. I can't see that anything in BillMax would require running as root, since none of the components does. If not, I'd certainly prefer it to run as some non-root user, maybe even something like user "billmax". Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 16: 3:32 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 16:03:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (ftp.golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D8B37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:03:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AH9370.63.d1acf55c) with ESMTP id asmsaaaa for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:11:31 +1100 Message-ID: <3A526C7A.2E2B1B9D@quake.com.au> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:04:10 +1100 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Cameron Cc: zombie@isni.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Password lengths. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >I am relatively new to encryption with passwords and I am in the process of > >switching from a BSDi 4.1 machine to a FreeBSD 4.2 stable. I want to > >transfer the password list over but I need compatibility for +8 character > >passwords. Do you have any ideas. > >As far as I know, The BSDi machine is running with DES encryption and I > >dread the thought of reentering, by hand, all 2k user names and passwords. FreeBSD works with both DES and MD5 crypts... So long as you install the crypto dist files all should work fine! Infact DES is the default encryption used on FreeBSD 4.2 when you install the crypto dist... And the password format can be set in the /etc/login.conf file, just read man login.conf for details! Good Luck Kal. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 16: 7:19 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 16:07:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (ftp.golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3F137B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:07:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AH9370.63.d1acf55c) with ESMTP id esmsaaaa for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:15:16 +1100 Message-ID: <3A526D5B.6E2B0D1D@quake.com.au> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 11:07:55 +1100 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Cc: Bill Fumerola , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010102181803.02566d48@mail.futuredesigns.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike wrote: > > At 05:09 PM 1/2/2001 -0600, Bill Fumerola wrote: > >On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:58:24PM -0500, Mike wrote: > > > I have kind of an odd question. I have a Cisco 2610 connected to 2 T1's to > > > Savvis. I have a pending UUnet T1. Simplest option would be get a 3640 > > with > > > 3 T1 internal dsu's. BUT, that is $13k and change. I also have a 2501 > > > sitting here not being used, and a BSD box with 3 nics being used as > > firewall. > > > > > > My idea: > > > 2 Savvis T1's on the 2610 > > > 1 UUnet T1 on the 2501. > > > Run those into 2 of the nics on the firewall box, then the other nic to my > > > switch. I would like to make the bsd box be a bgp router (possibly with > > > zebra) but I'm not quite sure if that would work or what? Configure it to > > > broadcast our routing table, and pull routing tables from uunet and > > savvis. > > > The cisco's don't have enough memory to do so, and I'm doubting they have > > > the processing power with the traffic we get. > > > > > > Any suggestions/ideas would greatly be appreciated. > > > >Drop the money, get the 3640, and if you play your cards right[1] > >I think you can fit all the above into a 3620. > > Why do you suggest going with the 3640? I'm just going for opinions from > all angles. > The main reason I am shying away from buying a 3640 is because in the 3rd > or 4th quarter, we will be getting a 7200 series router, and the 3640 would > just be sitting in the closest next to the 2501 and the 2610. There is no reason why you cant do this that I can see... Just search the archives for freebsd-isp and you will see there has just been a massive thread all about this sort of thing :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 16:21:37 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 16:21:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [207.154.226.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6118337B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:21:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1098) id CB0232B463; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:21:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:21:29 -0600 From: Bill Fumerola To: Mike Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Message-ID: <20010102182129.B81119@elvis.mu.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net> <20010102170936.A81119@elvis.mu.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20010102181803.02566d48@mail.futuredesigns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102181803.02566d48@mail.futuredesigns.net>; from mike@mikesweb.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:21:25PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-FEARSOME-20001103 i386 Sender: billf@elvis.mu.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:21:25PM -0500, Mike wrote: > >Drop the money, get the 3640, and if you play your cards right[1] > >I think you can fit all the above into a 3620. > > Why do you suggest going with the 3640? I'm just going for opinions from > all angles. because the 25xx/26xx series routers are pretty weak. > The main reason I am shying away from buying a 3640 is because in the 3rd > or 4th quarter, we will be getting a 7200 series router, and the 3640 would > just be sitting in the closest next to the 2501 and the 2610. I'd suggest *gasp* buying the 72xx now and just stop fooling around. This may be difficult to someone wearing a suit/tie, but you can actually save money by having a little foresight and not buying equipment you know will be obsolete in half a year[1]. -- Bill Fumerola - security yahoo / Yahoo! inc. - fumerola@yahoo-inc.com / billf@FreeBSD.org 1. yes, sometimes this is unavoidable. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 16:36:30 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 16:36:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ntserver.computronic.hu (ntserver.computronic.hu [194.38.126.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2854537B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:36:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from thinkpad.computronic.hu ([195.228.242.10]) by ntserver.computronic.hu (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-44403U100L100S0) with ESMTP id AAA318; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 01:36:17 +0100 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010103011525.01917068@computronic.hu> X-Sender: andras.tudos@computronic.hu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 01:36:55 +0100 To: Mike From: "Andras Tudos - Computronic, C3" Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, why don't you simply buy a double serial WIC (or a NM of your choice) into the 2610 - this way you'll have 3 serial ports - and go ahead? Of course you won't be able to get a full BGP table, but you might be able to balance your outgoing traffic someway (maybe you'll need some extra RAM as well). And later you can go on with a larger box as needed. I do not recommend to do multihop BGPs with mixed Ciscos and FreeBSD for just 3 T1s, this is not a good idea as it would introduce much more failure possibilites then a single router solution. (If you tell me the hw config of your 2610 then I could be more specific. A 2610 can handle 3 T1s if you do not do anything fancy, like complex filters or VPNs.) Andras Tudos At 2001.01.02 23:58, Mike wrote: >I have kind of an odd question. I have a Cisco 2610 connected to 2 T1's to >Savvis. I have a pending UUnet T1. Simplest option would be get a 3640 >with 3 T1 internal dsu's. BUT, that is $13k and change. I also have a 2501 >sitting here not being used, and a BSD box with 3 nics being used as firewall. > >My idea: >2 Savvis T1's on the 2610 >1 UUnet T1 on the 2501. >Run those into 2 of the nics on the firewall box, then the other nic to my >switch. I would like to make the bsd box be a bgp router (possibly with >zebra) but I'm not quite sure if that would work or what? Configure it to >broadcast our routing table, and pull routing tables from uunet and >savvis. The cisco's don't have enough memory to do so, and I'm doubting >they have the processing power with the traffic we get. > >Any suggestions/ideas would greatly be appreciated. > >Thanks >Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 17:55: 9 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 17:55:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C40237B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:55:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08784; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:45:44 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:45:44 -0700 (MST) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Mike Cc: Bill Fumerola , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102181803.02566d48@mail.futuredesigns.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is really off-topic. If I have to reply to this, I'll take it off-list. On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Mike wrote: > Why do you suggest going with the 3640? I'm just going for opinions from > all angles. > The main reason I am shying away from buying a 3640 is because in the 3rd > or 4th quarter, we will be getting a 7200 series router, and the 3640 would > just be sitting in the closest next to the 2501 and the 2610. Take a good strong look at the 3662. Compare it with what the 7200 you will be buying will a) cost and b) do. The performance difference in packets-per-second processing is not even an order of mangatude different. If you get the 3662 now, you probably won't need the 7200 unless you're talking about a lot more bandwidth, at which point you probably need something other than the 7200. I'm currently using a 3662 taking 3 BGP4 views (around 100k routes), 3 Full T1s upstream, A full ATM T1 for ADSL customers, and a whole slew of other customers on the ethernet interfaces. It's not even breaking a sweat. We plan on putting a couple of Fractional DS3's (or ATM OC3's) into it later this year. On the other hand the FreeBSD route is cheap (except the T1 interface cards) but should get you through for a while... - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 18:26:39 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 18:26:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C1637B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:26:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21888; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:31:41 GMT (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010102212748.02187a20@mail.etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 21:32:40 -0500 To: Bill Fumerola , Mike From: Dennis Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010102170936.A81119@elvis.mu.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:09 PM 01/02/2001, Bill Fumerola wrote: >On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:58:24PM -0500, Mike wrote: > > I have kind of an odd question. I have a Cisco 2610 connected to 2 T1's to > > Savvis. I have a pending UUnet T1. Simplest option would be get a 3640 > with > > 3 T1 internal dsu's. BUT, that is $13k and change. I also have a 2501 > > sitting here not being used, and a BSD box with 3 nics being used as > firewall. > > > > My idea: > > 2 Savvis T1's on the 2610 > > 1 UUnet T1 on the 2501. > > Run those into 2 of the nics on the firewall box, then the other nic to my > > switch. I would like to make the bsd box be a bgp router (possibly with > > zebra) but I'm not quite sure if that would work or what? Configure it to > > broadcast our routing table, and pull routing tables from uunet and > savvis. > > The cisco's don't have enough memory to do so, and I'm doubting they have > > the processing power with the traffic we get. > > > > Any suggestions/ideas would greatly be appreciated. > >Drop the money, get the 3640, and if you play your cards right[1] >I think you can fit all the above into a 3620. Get a quad V.35 card and dump the cisco. A pentium 600 will run rings around the cisco. Zebra is just fine for your kind of setup. The lower end ciscos are pigs for the money. for example we have customers running 500 DSL over frame channels on 500mhz boxes at low utilization, where a 3620 chokes at about 150. the quad card is $1295. so you're looking at about 3K for a more powerful solution. I wouldnt suggest it to someone who doesnt know FreeBSD, but zebra is no more difficult than cisco bgp to configure (its VERY similar), so its really a no-brainer. Dennis Emerging Technologies, Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.etinc.com ISA and PCI T1/T3/V35/HSSI Cards for FreeBSD and LINUX Multiport T1 and HSSI/T3 UNIX-based Routers Bandwidth Management Standalone Systems Bandwidth Management software for LINUX and FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 18:42:41 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 18:42:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hawk-systems.com (unknown [161.58.152.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0637F37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:42:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from server0 (cr901664-a.pr1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.146.66]) by hawk-systems.com (8.8.8) id TAA05284 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:41:10 -0700 (MST) From: "Dave VanAuken" To: Subject: RE: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:48:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102181803.02566d48@mail.futuredesigns.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Not exactly on the FreeBSD thread but check into Cisco's tradeup program... or better yet, have your cisco var work out a deal for your older stuff and go for the 7200 up front - save money in the long run if you can convince your controller to release the cash up front. Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:21 PM To: Bill Fumerola Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp At 05:09 PM 1/2/2001 -0600, Bill Fumerola wrote: >On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:58:24PM -0500, Mike wrote: > > I have kind of an odd question. I have a Cisco 2610 connected to 2 T1's to > > Savvis. I have a pending UUnet T1. Simplest option would be get a 3640 > with > > 3 T1 internal dsu's. BUT, that is $13k and change. I also have a 2501 > > sitting here not being used, and a BSD box with 3 nics being used as > firewall. > > > > My idea: > > 2 Savvis T1's on the 2610 > > 1 UUnet T1 on the 2501. > > Run those into 2 of the nics on the firewall box, then the other nic to my > > switch. I would like to make the bsd box be a bgp router (possibly with > > zebra) but I'm not quite sure if that would work or what? Configure it to > > broadcast our routing table, and pull routing tables from uunet and > savvis. > > The cisco's don't have enough memory to do so, and I'm doubting they have > > the processing power with the traffic we get. > > > > Any suggestions/ideas would greatly be appreciated. > >Drop the money, get the 3640, and if you play your cards right[1] >I think you can fit all the above into a 3620. Why do you suggest going with the 3640? I'm just going for opinions from all angles. The main reason I am shying away from buying a 3640 is because in the 3rd or 4th quarter, we will be getting a 7200 series router, and the 3640 would just be sitting in the closest next to the 2501 and the 2610. Thanks for your advice. Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 18:51:34 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 18:51:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B4C37B402 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:51:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14DdK2-0002BC-00; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:06:38 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:06:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: Mike , Bill Fumerola , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Forrest W. Christian wrote: > Take a good strong look at the 3662. Compare it with what the 7200 you > will be buying will a) cost and b) do. The performance difference in > packets-per-second processing is not even an order of mangatude > different. If you get the 3662 now, you probably won't need the 7200 Cisco 3660 - 120,000pps Cisco 7204VXR or 7206VXR with NPE300 - 300,000 pps Cisco seems to release a new NPE for the 7200 series ever year. They've recently released the NPE400 which can do 400,000pps, and take up to 512MB of RAM. Anyway, at minimum a 7200 is twice as fast pps wise. Also, Cisco isn't the only router vendor. Now, this isn't a Cisco list... so something about FreeBSD: I'm now sure what kind of pps rates a FreeBSD can handle. I'm thinking that fastest available hardware is a probably about 100,000 pps, but I have no data. Since FreeBSD has to put all packets through a software path, and has noaccess to helpful hardware helpers (ie. checksumming). To put that into perspective, 100BaseT ethernet with 64 byte frames is just a bit under 150,000 pps. That isn't a real possbility in most applications, but can be an issue if you are being DoSed, or run extreme applications (ie. UDP based chat server). > - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com > Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 20:56:18 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 20:56:16 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.futuredesigns.net (unknown [216.91.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E049337B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:56:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 68716 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 04:56:14 -0000 Received: from sun.futuredesigns.net (HELO SUN.mikesweb.com) (216.91.66.69) by 216.91.66.2 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 04:56:14 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102235709.02508d30@mail.futuredesigns.net> X-Sender: sturdee@mail.futuredesigns.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 23:57:41 -0500 To: Bill Fumerola From: Mike Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20010102182129.B81119@elvis.mu.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102181803.02566d48@mail.futuredesigns.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net> <20010102170936.A81119@elvis.mu.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20010102181803.02566d48@mail.futuredesigns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If I had $20K+ that is exactly what I would do.. I'm not just trying to be cheap. At 06:21 PM 1/2/2001 -0600, Bill Fumerola wrote: >On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:21:25PM -0500, Mike wrote: > > > >Drop the money, get the 3640, and if you play your cards right[1] > > >I think you can fit all the above into a 3620. > > > > Why do you suggest going with the 3640? I'm just going for opinions from > > all angles. > >because the 25xx/26xx series routers are pretty weak. > > > The main reason I am shying away from buying a 3640 is because in the 3rd > > or 4th quarter, we will be getting a 7200 series router, and the 3640 > would > > just be sitting in the closest next to the 2501 and the 2610. > >I'd suggest *gasp* buying the 72xx now and just stop fooling around. > >This may be difficult to someone wearing a suit/tie, but you can actually >save money by having a little foresight and not buying equipment you >know will be obsolete in half a year[1]. > >-- >Bill Fumerola - security yahoo / Yahoo! inc. > - fumerola@yahoo-inc.com / billf@FreeBSD.org > > >1. yes, sometimes this is unavoidable. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 21:46:41 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 21:46:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (ftp.golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8F037B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:46:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AH9370.63.d1acf55c) with ESMTP id wvmsaaaa for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:54:38 +1100 Message-ID: <3A52BCD8.76EC8AD1@quake.com.au> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:47:04 +1100 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102181803.02566d48@mail.futuredesigns.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net> <20010102170936.A81119@elvis.mu.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20010102181803.02566d48@mail.futuredesigns.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010102235709.02508d30@mail.futuredesigns.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you are going to use FreeBSD for the routing why even have the cisco's? Why not just have the T1's coming into your FreeBSD box and then you can sell those cisco's or something :) A fast CPU and decent amount of ram would beat those low level cisco's easy! The only thing the cisco's seem to have over FreeBSD are some of the more esoteric features they can use... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 21:57:20 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 21:57:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.shearer.org (unknown [139.130.30.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3EE37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from calulu.shearer.org ([192.168.1.1]) by mail.shearer.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14Dgt1-0002BD-00; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:24:59 +1030 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:24:59 +1030 (CST) From: Dan Shearer To: Kal Torak Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp In-Reply-To: <3A52BCD8.76EC8AD1@quake.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Kal Torak wrote: > If you are going to use FreeBSD for the routing why even > have the cisco's? Why not just have the T1's coming into > your FreeBSD box and then you can sell those cisco's or > something :) > > A fast CPU and decent amount of ram would beat those low > level cisco's easy! The only thing the cisco's seem to > have over FreeBSD are some of the more esoteric features > they can use... Do you have case studies that don't mind being cited to back this up? Thanks, -- Dan Shearer Open Source Manager dan@tellurian.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 22: 5:46 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 22:05:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (ftp.golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12BA537B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AH9370.63.d1acf55c) with ESMTP id fwmsaaaa for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:13:43 +1100 Message-ID: <3A52C152.A75D1882@quake.com.au> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:06:10 +1100 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Shearer Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dan Shearer wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Kal Torak wrote: > > > If you are going to use FreeBSD for the routing why even > > have the cisco's? Why not just have the T1's coming into > > your FreeBSD box and then you can sell those cisco's or > > something :) > > > > A fast CPU and decent amount of ram would beat those low > > level cisco's easy! The only thing the cisco's seem to > > have over FreeBSD are some of the more esoteric features > > they can use... > > Do you have case studies that don't mind being cited to back this up? Nope you will just have to take my word for it :P But think about it logically... Every extra level of processing and routing you add is going to slow things down... If you are going to do routing with FreeBSD, then do it with FreeBSD.. Its like plugging 2 cisco's together for the same route, it just dosnt make sense... Unless there is some reason why you want to keep the cisco's on there... Dont get me wrong, cisco's are great, it just dosent make sense to add extra layers of routing when you dont need to! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 22:13:34 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 22:13:32 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hawk-systems.com (unknown [161.58.152.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF4837B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from server0 (cr901664-a.pr1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.146.66]) by hawk-systems.com (8.8.8) id XAA22692 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:12:03 -0700 (MST) From: "Dave VanAuken" To: Subject: RE: Jail revisited Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 01:19:22 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org okay, jail is up, running, and functional thanks to the assistance found here. still playing around with some aspects. for example: Problem 1: Wish to give jail owner the ability to install ports (or try to) as they see fit, essentially to configure the virtual machine. I do not want to make duplicate copies of the entire ports directory but from what I can delve from the documentation, jail will not allow a link to the ports directory (outside the jail, and thus for obvious reasons). simple solution would be to provide ftp access on the host machine to the directory containing the ports... if there a more eloquent solution? Problem 2: Still cannot telnet locally into the jail from the host machine... any other machine on the etwork, no problem, but not the host machine... not can I telnet from within the jail to the host machine... which would affect any ftp solution for problem 1. Tom S. reported that this was an existing issue and a route to local host needed to be set up... hints anyone? Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 22:19:12 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 22:19:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.shearer.org (unknown [139.130.30.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6238037B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:19:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from calulu.shearer.org ([192.168.1.1]) by mail.shearer.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14DhEB-0002DS-00; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:46:51 +1030 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:46:51 +1030 (CST) From: Dan Shearer To: Kal Torak Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp In-Reply-To: <3A52C152.A75D1882@quake.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Kal Torak wrote: > Nope you will just have to take my word for it :P Well, this is what I'm trying to get at. In fact I have used free software to do routing before, and would do so again in the right circumstances, just as I happily use Ciscos in the right circumstances (and I'm no routing guru, far from it. But I know when something works and when it doesn't :-) I know of a small number of sites who are using free software for routing BGP and OSPF, and I am pretty sure that there is a very much larger number of sites represented on this list, the Zebra list, the LRP list and the mrtg list. But I'm looking for a really good answer to give to people who snort "Oh but nothing but a Cisco can reliably route packets at ethernet speeds in a BPG/OSPF environment". After debate here and plenty of other places, and from personal experience, it seems to me that the issues are: - port density. Ciscos are much denser. - fringe features. IOS implements some things that free routers don't. - top end performance. Ciscos win when the packets flow fast because of their custom packet processing cards. Equivalents can be bought for PCs but they are expensive. - support. If you are a big Cisco customer you can usually expect quite good customer service, and may even get good service if you are a small customer. If you don't want or need these four things then free software should do the trick. On problem people have cited that demonstrably doesn't exist include hardware reliability. PC-based 1/2RU firewalls are sold for mission-critical purposes, and have been delivering for years. Nokia is perhaps the best-known big brand that sells FreeBSD inside a very reliable Intel box for this purpose. -- Dan Shearer Open Source Manager dan@tellurian.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 22:19:43 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 22:19:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [216.235.52.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F6637B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:19:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30204; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:18:09 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:18:09 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Dennis Cc: Bill Fumerola , Mike , Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010102212748.02187a20@mail.etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Dennis wrote: > At 06:09 PM 01/02/2001, Bill Fumerola wrote: > >On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:58:24PM -0500, Mike wrote: > > > I have kind of an odd question. I have a Cisco 2610 connected to 2 T1's to > > > Savvis. I have a pending UUnet T1. Simplest option would be get a 3640 > > with > > > 3 T1 internal dsu's. BUT, that is $13k and change. I also have a 2501 > > > sitting here not being used, and a BSD box with 3 nics being used as > > firewall. > > > > > > My idea: > > > 2 Savvis T1's on the 2610 > > > 1 UUnet T1 on the 2501. > > > Run those into 2 of the nics on the firewall box, then the other nic to my > > > switch. I would like to make the bsd box be a bgp router (possibly with > > > zebra) but I'm not quite sure if that would work or what? Configure it to > > > broadcast our routing table, and pull routing tables from uunet and > > savvis. > > > The cisco's don't have enough memory to do so, and I'm doubting they have > > > the processing power with the traffic we get. > > > > > > Any suggestions/ideas would greatly be appreciated. > > > >Drop the money, get the 3640, and if you play your cards right[1] > >I think you can fit all the above into a 3620. > > Get a quad V.35 card and dump the cisco. A pentium 600 will run rings > around the cisco. > > Zebra is just fine for your kind of setup. The lower end ciscos are pigs > for the money. for example we have customers running 500 DSL over frame > channels on 500mhz boxes at low utilization, where a 3620 chokes at about 150. > > the quad card is $1295. so you're looking at about 3K for a more powerful > solution. I wouldnt suggest it to someone who doesnt know FreeBSD, but > zebra is no more difficult than cisco bgp to configure (its VERY similar), > so its really a no-brainer. > > Dennis Dennis is correct about this... We have one Point to Point T1 using Cisco HDLC for internet connectivity, 2 T1 Frame Relay circuits that consists of both 500 ADSL customers bridging (and the bridging works well since with ip's mapped to each DLCI, unlike a Cisco - there will be no battles over a IP assignments) as well as Frame Relay customers from 56k to Full T1 all on a Quad ET5025PQ PCI Card on a FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE setup using a ASUS XP55T2P4 motherboard w/ Intel 430HX Triton chipset using 64 megs of RAM on a AMD K6-200 CPU and it has a very light load even during heavy usage such as now: 8:14PM up 2 days, 19:55, 2 users, load averages: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 We'll probably be upgrading the motherboard, CPU and RAM since we'll be doing BGP4 and adding additional capacity to the internet and will be using Zebra. Since Dennis is the only one who is familar with the ET card with a Zebra interface, zebra seems to be able to handle all the interfaces except the lines that require bwmgr so the ideal solution is probably to do all static routes using a script that loads up the ET utilities as well and only use zebra for the bgp portion. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 22:20:16 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 22:20:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from jeffdev.billmax.com (unknown [64.56.77.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CACED37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by jeffdev.billmax.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03194; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:23:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jeff@jeff.net) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:23:58 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeffrey D. LaCoursiere" X-Sender: jeff@jeffdev.billmax.com To: Chris Shenton Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FW: Prepaid Internet Service (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Agreed, and it is "on the list", just not high priority. Most installations are happy with the security measures and are more worried about their employees making off with parts than customer information... We discuss the security measures suggested in our on-line documentation: http://www.billmax.com/doc/docs/I.H.html Thanks, Jeff LaCoursiere BillMax ISP Billing Solutions The iSpark Group, Inc. On 2 Jan 2001, Chris Shenton wrote: > On Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:59:09 -0600 (CST), "Jeffrey D. LaCoursiere" said: > > Jeffrey> It is true that most of the BillMax processes run as root. > Jeffrey> This is only a security issue if the machine is accessible to > Jeffrey> the outside world, which generally it is not. [...] > > I'll be doing some work for an ISP which just purchased BillMax. I'm > a bit of a paranoid so running as root may bother me more than most -- > even if you've tried to close all the doors you can think of. > > I prefer the "principal of least privilege". While I'm not intimate > with BillMax yet, I have done lots of work with apache, php, perl, > mysql, radius, etc. I can't see that anything in BillMax would require > running as root, since none of the components does. If not, I'd > certainly prefer it to run as some non-root user, maybe even something > like user "billmax". > > Thanks. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 22:48:37 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 22:48:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (ftp.golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB2EB37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:48:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AH9370.63.d1acf55c) with ESMTP id rwmsaaaa for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:56:37 +1100 Message-ID: <3A52CB61.5657375@quake.com.au> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:49:05 +1100 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Shearer Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > But I'm looking for a really good answer to give to people who snort "Oh > but nothing but a Cisco can reliably route packets at ethernet speeds in > a BPG/OSPF environment". After debate here and plenty of other places, and > from personal experience, it seems to me that the issues are: > > - port density. Ciscos are much denser. True... But is it needed? Quad ethernet cards are around now... > - fringe features. IOS implements some things that free routers > don't. Yep, but again how often dose anyone use these? > - top end performance. Ciscos win when the packets flow fast because > of their custom packet processing cards. Equivalents can be bought > for PCs but they are expensive. Maybe with the higher end ciscos, but Im not so sure about the lower end ones... Obviously a device dedicated to a small range of things can do it more efficiently than a system doing a wide range, but I dont think this is such a big issue with a fast cpu + ram... I would like to test it, but I dont have any spare ciscos sitting around I can mess with... > - support. If you are a big Cisco customer you can usually expect > quite good customer service, and may even get good service if you > are a small customer. It will cost you a small fortune but you will get support :) And you can get free, but slower support for software via the mailing lists! It would be pretty hard to beat a 7xxx cisco, but personally I think a well setup FreeBSD system can replace the lower end ciscos and save you a lot of money unless it breaks :O To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 22:57:58 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 22:57:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.futuredesigns.net (unknown [216.91.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC82437B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:57:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 78810 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 06:57:54 -0000 Received: from sun.futuredesigns.net (HELO SUN.mikesweb.com) (216.91.66.69) by 216.91.66.2 with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 06:57:54 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010103015916.02568418@mail.futuredesigns.net> X-Sender: sturdee@mail.futuredesigns.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 01:59:21 -0500 To: Kal Torak , Dan Shearer From: Mike Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3A52CB61.5657375@quake.com.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Who makes quad ethernet cards, and where can you find them? At 05:49 PM 1/3/2001 +1100, Kal Torak wrote: > > But I'm looking for a really good answer to give to people who snort "Oh > > but nothing but a Cisco can reliably route packets at ethernet speeds in > > a BPG/OSPF environment". After debate here and plenty of other places, and > > from personal experience, it seems to me that the issues are: > > > > - port density. Ciscos are much denser. > >True... But is it needed? Quad ethernet cards are around now... > > > - fringe features. IOS implements some things that free routers > > don't. > >Yep, but again how often dose anyone use these? > > > - top end performance. Ciscos win when the packets flow fast because > > of their custom packet processing cards. Equivalents can be bought > > for PCs but they are expensive. > >Maybe with the higher end ciscos, but Im not so sure about the lower >end ones... Obviously a device dedicated to a small range of things >can do it more efficiently than a system doing a wide range, but I dont >think this is such a big issue with a fast cpu + ram... >I would like to test it, but I dont have any spare ciscos sitting around >I can mess with... > > > - support. If you are a big Cisco customer you can usually expect > > quite good customer service, and may even get good service if you > > are a small customer. > >It will cost you a small fortune but you will get support :) >And you can get free, but slower support for software via the >mailing lists! > >It would be pretty hard to beat a 7xxx cisco, but personally I think >a well setup FreeBSD system can replace the lower end ciscos and save >you a lot of money unless it breaks :O > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 23: 6:33 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 23:06:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (ftp.golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3E537B402 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:06:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AH9370.63.d1acf55c) with ESMTP id axmsaaaa for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:14:30 +1100 Message-ID: <3A52CF92.8F5A1CB@quake.com.au> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:06:58 +1100 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Cc: Dan Shearer , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010103015916.02568418@mail.futuredesigns.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike wrote: > > Who makes quad ethernet cards, and where can you find them? > Adaptec makes one... "Adaptec Quartet 64-bit, DuraLAN, Starfire" It will set you back about $710 though... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 23: 8:49 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 23:08:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from alex.belpak.by (alex.belpak.by [193.232.248.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77CE37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from belpak.by (alex.belpak.by [193.232.248.13]) by alex.belpak.by (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28205; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:04:49 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from alex@belpak.by) Sender: alexbl@alex.belpak.by Message-ID: <3A52CF10.68DD8BC8@belpak.by> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 09:04:49 +0200 From: Alex Blagoveschensky Organization: Belpak network. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave VanAuken Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Jail revisited References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello Dave VanAuken wrote: > okay, jail is up, running, and functional thanks to the assistance > found here. > > still playing around with some aspects. for example: > > Problem 1: Wish to give jail owner the ability to install ports (or > try to) as they see fit, essentially to configure the virtual machine. > I do not want to make duplicate copies of the entire ports directory > but from what I can delve from the documentation, jail will not allow > a link to the ports directory (outside the jail, and thus for obvious > reasons). > > simple solution would be to provide ftp access on the host machine to > the directory containing the ports... if there a more eloquent > solution? > I use mount_union(8) for create skel. for example: mount -t union -o ro /usr/ports /path/to/jail/usr/ports and then I start jail. But you should remember that: THIS FILESYSTEM TYPE IS NOT YET FULLY SUPPORTED (READ: IT DOESN'T WORK) AND USING IT MAY, IN FACT, DESTROY DATA ON YOUR SYSTEM. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. BEWARE OF DOG. SLIPPERY WHEN WET. bye -- Belpak Network http://alex.belpak.by To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 2 23:52:52 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 23:52:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gatordog.com (gatordog.com [198.30.158.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8072437B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 23:52:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (adamkuj@localhost) by gatordog.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA35450; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:55:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from adamkuj@gatordog.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:55:19 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Kujawski To: Mike Cc: Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010103015916.02568418@mail.futuredesigns.net> Message-ID: X-Joke: decode@bgnet.bgsu.edu X-Carnivore: top-secret data CIA DoD destruct attack warmod directorate NSTD ORD warrior-T foreign takeover MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Mike wrote: > > Who makes quad ethernet cards, and where can you find them? > DLink has a four-port PCI NIC for under $200 (~$175). It uses the DEC 21x4x chipset. -Adam Kujawski To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 6:18:53 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 06:18:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.shawneelink.net (ns.shawneelink.net [216.240.66.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B654237B402 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 06:18:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.shawneelink.net (ns.shawneelink.net [216.240.66.11]) by ns.shawneelink.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f03EIi316263 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:18:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:18:44 -0600 (CST) From: J Bacher X-Sender: jb@ns.shawneelink.net To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp In-Reply-To: <3A52C152.A75D1882@quake.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Kal Torak wrote: > Dont get me wrong, cisco's are great, it just dosent make > sense to add extra layers of routing when you dont need to! From the perspective of "don't put all of your eggs in one basket" it does. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 7: 1: 9 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 07:01:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net (bsdie.rwsystems.net [209.197.223.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA3D37B402 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:01:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net([209.197.223.2]) (1148 bytes) by bsdie.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:59:54 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #1 built 2000-Jun-25) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:59:49 -0600 (CST) From: James Wyatt To: Adam Kujawski Cc: Mike , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Adam Kujawski wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Mike wrote: > > Who makes quad ethernet cards, and where can you find them? > DLink has a four-port PCI NIC for under $200 (~$175). It uses the DEC > 21x4x chipset. You only get partial credit for the test until you can tell us where you find them. I've heard about these and looked a bit, but haven't found them. If you could kindly provide a URL, someone is going to sell some of them pretty quickly. Thank you *very* much in advance - Jy@ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 7: 5:15 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 07:05:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-5.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C00137B402 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:05:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA55332 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:05:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bill) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:04:55 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Message-ID: <20010103100455.A55167@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@bilver.wjv.com References: <3A52C152.A75D1882@quake.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from dan@tellurian.com.au on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 04:46:51PM +1030 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 04:46:51PM +1030, Dan Shearer thus spoke: > On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Kal Torak wrote: > > Nope you will just have to take my word for it :P > Well, this is what I'm trying to get at. In fact I have used > free software to do routing before, and would do so again in the > right circumstances, just as I happily use Ciscos in the right > circumstances (and I'm no routing guru, far from it. But I know > when something works and when it doesn't :-) > But I'm looking for a really good answer to give to people who > snort "Oh but nothing but a Cisco can reliably route packets at > ethernet speeds in a BPG/OSPF environment". Well that counters to what I've heard which is usually "Cisco builds good reliable equipment, that is overpriced, but you are paying for their technical support which is good". And that statement is often followed up by "If you want really fast devices then go with Foundry Networks devices". I don't need anything that fast yet, hopefully I will someday. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 7: 9:59 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 07:09:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-5.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4933637B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:09:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA55357 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:09:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bill) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:09:51 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Message-ID: <20010103100950.B55167@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@bilver.wjv.com References: <3A52CB61.5657375@quake.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A52CB61.5657375@quake.com.au>; from kaltorak@quake.com.au on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 05:49:05PM +1100 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 05:49:05PM +1100, Kal Torak thus spoke: > It would be pretty hard to beat a 7xxx cisco, but personally I think > a well setup FreeBSD system can replace the lower end ciscos and save > you a lot of money unless it breaks :O OTOH - the FreeBSD system worked wonderfully when I threw in an extra NIC and configured it as a router when the Cisco 7120 died. Infant mortatility - lasted 15 days. And that's sort of middle price range on Crisco routers. I still have FreeBSD set up so it can do it again if the need arises - which hopefully it wont. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 7:12:59 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 07:12:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.kpnqwest.ch (mail.eunet.ch [146.228.10.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B812337B698 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mw@localhost) by mail.kpnqwest.ch (8.9.3/1.34) id PAA67986; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:11:47 GMT env-from (mw@kpnqwest.ch) From: mw@kpnqwest.ch Message-Id: <200101031511.PAA67986@mail.kpnqwest.ch> Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp In-Reply-To: "from James Wyatt at Jan 3, 2001 08:59:49 am" To: James Wyatt Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:11:47 +0100 (CET) Cc: Adam Kujawski , Mike , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL82 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > DLink has a four-port PCI NIC for under $200 (~$175). It uses the DEC > > 21x4x chipset. > > You only get partial credit for the test until you can tell us where you > find them. I've heard about these and looked a bit, but haven't found > them. If you could kindly provide a URL, someone is going to sell some of > them pretty quickly. Thank you *very* much in advance - Jy@ Check out http://www.cqk.com, look for "Mftr Part Number" DFE-570TX. I've recently ordered a couple of these there, and they worked like a charm in FreeBSD-4.2. They still claim to have them in stock, too, $179.00 (no, I don't work for them:-)). Cheers, Markus -- KPNQwest Switzerland Ltd P.O. Box 1600, Hohlstrasse 550, CH-8048 Zuerich Tel: +41-1-439-4390, Fax: +41-1-439-4391 Markus Wild, Manager Network Operations, e-mail: markus.wild@kpnqwest.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 7:45:43 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 07:45:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cgi.sstar.com (cgi.sstar.com [209.205.176.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C4437B404 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:45:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from jking (jking.lgc.com [134.132.76.82]) by cgi.sstar.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f03FjEE09150 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128 bits) verified NO); Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:45:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jim@jimking.net) Message-ID: <003801c0759c$2d24fa80$524c8486@jking> From: "Jim King" To: "James Wyatt" , "Adam Kujawski" Cc: "Mike" , References: Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 09:45:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "James Wyatt" wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Adam Kujawski wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Mike wrote: > > > Who makes quad ethernet cards, and where can you find them? > > DLink has a four-port PCI NIC for under $200 (~$175). It uses the DEC > > 21x4x chipset. > > You only get partial credit for the test until you can tell us where you > find them. I've heard about these and looked a bit, but haven't found > them. If you could kindly provide a URL, someone is going to sell some of > them pretty quickly. Thank you *very* much in advance - Jy@ I just did a search on Yahoo Shopping and found about a dozen places that have it; prices range from $153 to $199. Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 10:34:49 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 10:34:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A41937B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:34:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24792; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:39:54 GMT (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010103132703.021962e0@mail.etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.etinc.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:39:25 -0500 To: Dan Shearer , Kal Torak From: Dennis Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3A52C152.A75D1882@quake.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > >But I'm looking for a really good answer to give to people who snort "Oh >but nothing but a Cisco can reliably route packets at ethernet speeds in >a BPG/OSPF environment". After debate here and plenty of other places, and >from personal experience, it seems to me that the issues are: > > - port density. Ciscos are much denser. Correction. BIG ciscos are much denser. the 2x and 3x series are not. > - fringe features. IOS implements some things that free routers > don't. and vice versa. Certainly if you have special requirements you have to chose your hardware appropriately, but we are talking about a simple 3 port router here. We get calls all the time from people who want to do bandwidth management,but all of their feeds come into one cisco router. In many cases 1 big router is not better than several smaller ones. > - top end performance. Ciscos win when the packets flow fast because > of their custom packet processing cards. Equivalents can be bought > for PCs but they are expensive. > - support. If you are a big Cisco customer you can usually expect > quite good customer service, and may even get good service if you > are a small customer. Again, when you get to 7500 series you are correct. On the other hand, a 7202 cant handle 2 full T3s, but a 500 Mhz pentium can. But you can put up 10 dual processor, 64bit bus machines for the price of a cisco. The question then becomes do you really want it all in one box? If you dont have 0C3 feeds, it really doesnt matter that much, and most people like to have a full spare for $5K rather than stocking an extra 7500 entourage. >If you don't want or need these four things then free software should do >the trick. You categorize all "free software" as being crap it seems. I think you are behind the times. There are many solutions from commercial companies (which arguably isnt "free") who have tuned the free software to commercial quality. ciscos crash. Ciscos have bugs. Ciscos arent all that easy to configure. they are low on power for the buck, and within the last two years they have been pushing out products before they are ready, so even stability is at issue. >On problem people have cited that demonstrably doesn't exist include >hardware reliability. PC-based 1/2RU firewalls are sold for >mission-critical purposes, and have been delivering for years. Nokia is >perhaps the best-known big brand that sells FreeBSD inside a very reliable >Intel box for this purpose. The "hardware" is generally reliable, as long as you keep extra power supplies and fans around. Electronics, which used to be rated at 3-5 years, are now rated to 20 years. Its a new world from the day when "PCs" were clunky instruments. Plus, what is the expected life of a router anyway? In a year you'll want something else. Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 10:39: 4 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 10:39:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF37837B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:39:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24807; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:44:18 GMT (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010103133953.0218e270@mail.etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.etinc.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:43:49 -0500 To: Dan Shearer , Kal Torak From: Dennis Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3A52BCD8.76EC8AD1@quake.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:54 AM 01/03/2001, Dan Shearer wrote: >On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Kal Torak wrote: > > > If you are going to use FreeBSD for the routing why even > > have the cisco's? Why not just have the T1's coming into > > your FreeBSD box and then you can sell those cisco's or > > something :) > > > > A fast CPU and decent amount of ram would beat those low > > level cisco's easy! The only thing the cisco's seem to > > have over FreeBSD are some of the more esoteric features > > they can use... > >Do you have case studies that don't mind being cited to back this up? Do you guys have your head in the sand? This is not new. We've been selling t1 cards for years, mostly into the FreeBSD market. Stability has not been an issue for a long time. Of course, every time you add a product you may introduce something. Zebra has been evolving, but bgp is stable now and ospf is coming along. If you dont have a highly complex network with multiple border routers (thus requiring ospf internally to manage it), zebra is just fine. with 128meg and some tuning you can hold full tables without any problems. Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 11:17:51 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 11:17:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net (bsdie.rwsystems.net [209.197.223.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0AA37B404 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:17:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net([209.197.223.2]) (2205 bytes) by bsdie.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:16:07 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #1 built 2000-Jun-25) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:15:55 -0600 (CST) From: James Wyatt To: Jim King Cc: Adam Kujawski , Mike , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp In-Reply-To: <003801c0759c$2d24fa80$524c8486@jking> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Jim King wrote: > "James Wyatt" wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Adam Kujawski wrote: > > > On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Mike wrote: > > > > Who makes quad ethernet cards, and where can you find them? > > > DLink has a four-port PCI NIC for under $200 (~$175). It uses the DEC > > > 21x4x chipset. > > > > You only get partial credit for the test until you can tell us where you > > find them. I've heard about these and looked a bit, but haven't found > > them. If you could kindly provide a URL, someone is going to sell some of > > them pretty quickly. Thank you *very* much in advance - Jy@ > > I just did a search on Yahoo Shopping and found about a dozen places that > have it; prices range from $153 to $199. I don't want to buy from just any old Yahoo!. I want to buy from someone that I know has delivered product to a member of a group I trust. I looked at the three or so vendors I find deliver and have decent pricing and they didn't have it. I have had success in using search engines to find vendors, not good vendors. I had seen the Adaptec board a few places, but it's expensive and I am sick of Adaptec lately. I saw *way* too much gained by switching from 2940 and 3940UWs to the TekRam NEC-chip boards under FreeBSD and Linux, so I don't trust them to be the best brand as much in SCSI, let alone EtherNet boards. I also really like the DLink/NetGear/LinkSys DEC-chip boards we've used; they have all been reliable, fast, supported, "simple", and very cost-effective. - Jy@ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 13:20:16 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 13:20:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F23437B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25423; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:25:13 GMT (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010103132325.0218d560@mail.etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 13:25:12 -0500 To: James Wyatt , Adam Kujawski From: Dennis Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Cc: Mike , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:59 AM 01/03/2001, James Wyatt wrote: >On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Adam Kujawski wrote: > > On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Mike wrote: > > > Who makes quad ethernet cards, and where can you find them? > > DLink has a four-port PCI NIC for under $200 (~$175). It uses the DEC > > 21x4x chipset. > >You only get partial credit for the test until you can tell us where you >find them. I've heard about these and looked a bit, but haven't found >them. If you could kindly provide a URL, someone is going to sell some of >them pretty quickly. Thank you *very* much in advance - Jy@ These work nicely, but dont expect to get the same throughput on these that you get on your 7000 series. Go with a 64bit bus for serious multi-ethernet bandwidth. The dlinks are fine but dont expect to get 800Mb/s on a single 32-bit pci bus unless you dont have much else going on. dennis Emerging Technologies, Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.etinc.com ISA and PCI T1/T3/V35/HSSI Cards for FreeBSD and LINUX Multiport T1 and HSSI/T3 UNIX-based Routers Bandwidth Management Standalone Systems Bandwidth Management software for LINUX and FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 13:22:55 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 13:22:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from manor.msen.com (manor.msen.com [148.59.4.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790EB37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wayne@localhost) by manor.msen.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19967 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:22:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wayne) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:22:52 -0500 From: "Michael R. Wayne" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Message-ID: <20010103162252.G8340@staff.msen.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010102175100.0252b440@mail.futuredesigns.net> <20010102170936.A81119@elvis.mu.org> <5.0.0.25.0.20010102212748.02187a20@mail.etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010102212748.02187a20@mail.etinc.com>; from dennis@etinc.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 09:32:40PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Zebra is just fine for your kind of setup. If who has used gated and switched to Zebra would be willing to comment, I'd be real interested. We do a lot of OSPF and gated excells at that but I have issues with gated's BGP implementation when talking to Cisco routers. /\/\ \/\/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 14:58: 7 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 14:58:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (ftp.golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8968437B402 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AH9370.63.d1acf55c) with ESMTP id ldnsaaaa for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:06:08 +1100 Message-ID: <3A53AEA4.1C9E3A30@quake.com.au> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 09:58:44 +1100 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Wyatt Cc: Jim King , Adam Kujawski , Mike , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I had seen the Adaptec board a few places, but it's expensive and I am > sick of Adaptec lately. I saw *way* too much gained by switching from 2940 > and 3940UWs to the TekRam NEC-chip boards under FreeBSD and Linux, so I > don't trust them to be the best brand as much in SCSI, let alone EtherNet > boards. I also really like the DLink/NetGear/LinkSys DEC-chip boards we've > used; they have all been reliable, fast, supported, "simple", and very > cost-effective. - Jy@ I agree with you, but I would also have to say the Adaptec Quad ethernet card is probably the best on the market atm... Its 64-bit, the others I have seen are all 32... I doubt the others can achieve as much through put on 4 ports as the Adaptec, but it is almost 5 times more expensive... In the end it comes down to 5 times cost over maybe 2 times the speed and only during high usage.. Kal. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 16:20: 9 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 16:20:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from esther.falconsoft.com (esther.falconsoft.com [216.46.87.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D43837B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:20:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from WOLFMAN.falconsoft.com (dhcp-05.falconsoft.com [216.46.87.222]) by esther.falconsoft.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f040K3X23404 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:20:04 GMT (envelope-from tim@falconsoft.com) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010103191232.00a57260@esther.falconsoft.com> X-Sender: tim@esther.falconsoft.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 19:20:18 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Tim Gustafson Subject: Question Re: Multiple Default Gateways Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello I just installed a D-Link DFE-570TX 4-Port network card into one of my FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE machines. It works great so far, and I have different IPs assigned to each of the 4 ethernet ports, as follows: dc0: inet 10.0.0.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 dc1: inet 10.0.1.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.1.255 dc2: inet 10.0.2.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.2.255 dc3: inet 10.0.3.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.3.255 This, obviously, is how I have it set up for testing only. When this goes to production, it will have 4 different real-world IP addresses, one for each Internet connection I have. My question is this: I'd like to set up four default gateways on the machine, one for each of the ethernet ports, as follows: route add -net 0.0.0.0 -netmask 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.1 route add -net 0.0.0.0 -netmask 0.0.0.0 10.0.1.1 route add -net 0.0.0.0 -netmask 0.0.0.0 10.0.2.1 route add -net 0.0.0.0 -netmask 0.0.0.0 10.0.3.1 However, after the initial default gateway is set up, I get this for each of the three subsequent additions: route: writing to routing socket: File exists add net 0.0.0.0: gateway 10.0.1.1: File exists How can I make it so this machine will have the four different default gatways? The reason I have them all is for redundancy - the application I'm creating pings each of the server's IPs before connecting, and connects to the one with the lowest round-trip time (thereby load balancing for me, and also allowing one or two of the DSL lines to be down and people can still get through). I've read some of the archives of this list where it says you can just add them as I've mentioned above, but it doesn't seem to work like people have explained it. Do I need to set any special options in the kernel or in the rc.conf file? Incidentally, I don't need or want any of the interfaces to route packets to the other interfaces. When a TCP connection comes in on the 10.0.0.2 interface, I need the outbound part of that TCP connection to go back out the 10.0.0.2 interface. Thanks for any help. Tim -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tim Gustafson tim@falconsoft.com www.falconsoft.com (631)475-6662 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Share your knowledge - it's a way to achieve immortality. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 17: 0:21 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 17:00:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C6837B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14Dy44-0003gK-00; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:15:32 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:15:27 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Tim Gustafson Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question Re: Multiple Default Gateways In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010103191232.00a57260@esther.falconsoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Tim Gustafson wrote: ... > My question is this: > > I'd like to set up four default gateways on the machine, one for each of > the ethernet ports, as follows: > > route add -net 0.0.0.0 -netmask 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.1 > route add -net 0.0.0.0 -netmask 0.0.0.0 10.0.1.1 > route add -net 0.0.0.0 -netmask 0.0.0.0 10.0.2.1 > route add -net 0.0.0.0 -netmask 0.0.0.0 10.0.3.1 > > However, after the initial default gateway is set up, I get this for each > of the three subsequent additions: > > route: writing to routing socket: File exists > add net 0.0.0.0: gateway 10.0.1.1: File exists You can only have one destination (gateway) per route. You are trying to add 4 identical routes with different gateways. The behaviour is undefined. There is a patch that load balances over multiple destinations for the same route. This is how everyone else defines the behavour of multiple destinations per route (aka equal cost routing, or multipathing). ... > I've read some of the archives of this list where it says you can just add > them as I've mentioned above, but it doesn't seem to work like people have Nope, unless it was in referece to Chrissy Lake's multipath patch. ... > Incidentally, I don't need or want any of the interfaces to route packets > to the other interfaces. When a TCP connection comes in on the 10.0.0.2 > interface, I need the outbound part of that TCP connection to go back out > the 10.0.0.2 interface. That isn't how classic TCP and IP routing works. However, you can use the ipfw fwd option to specify that traffic from a particular IP gets pushed to a specifed gateway. Basically, ipfw fwd is way to implement policy based routing, which is what you probably want. > Thanks for any help. > > Tim Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 17: 3: 5 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 17:03:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.intnet.com.cn (unknown [202.96.192.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9DA3F37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:03:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20370 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 00:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO williams) (61.129.102.27) by npc.haplink.com.cn with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 00:55:23 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01c076b3$734e2aa0$ab63a8c0@transocean.com> Reply-To: "Williams Wang" From: "Williams Wang" To: "Odhiambo Washington" Cc: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001128185014.009e2190@202.96.192.53> <20010103184124.D42437@poeza.iconnect.co.ke> Subject: Re: callback Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:04:26 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org aGksDQogICAgc29ycnksIEkgIHN0aWxsIGhhdmUgbm90IHdvcmtlZCBpdCBvdXQuDQp3aWxsaWFt cyANCi0tLS0tIE9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0gDQpGcm9tOiBPZGhpYW1ibyBXYXNoaW5n dG9uIDx3YXNoQGljb25uZWN0LmNvLmtlPg0KVG86IHdpbGxpYW1zIHdhbmcgPHdpbGxpYW1zX3dh bmdAaW50bmV0LmNvbS5jbj4NClNlbnQ6IFdlZG5lc2RheSwgSmFudWFyeSAwMywgMjAwMSAxMTo0 MSBQTQ0KU3ViamVjdDogUmU6IGNhbGxiYWNrDQoNCg0KPiAqIHdpbGxpYW1zIHdhbmcgPHdpbGxp YW1zX3dhbmdAaW50bmV0LmNvbS5jbj4gWzIwMDAxMTI4IDEzOjU0XTogd3JpdGluZyBvbiB0aGUg c3ViamVjdCAnY2FsbGJhY2snDQo+ID0+aGksDQo+ID0+ICAgIGRvZXMgYW55b25lIGtub3cgaG93 IHRvIHNldHVwIGEgY2FsbGJhY2sgY29ubmVjdGlvbiB0byB0aGUgaXNwLg0KPiA9PiAgICBJIGhh dmUgZG9uZSBpdCBpbiB0aGUgd2luZG93cyBlYXNpbHksIGl0IGlzIGxpdHRsZSBoYXJkZXIgaW4g RnJlZWJzZC4NCj4gPT4gICAgVGhhbmtzIGEgbG90DQo+IA0KPiBEaWQgeW91IGdldCB0byBzb2x2 ZSBpdD8gSSdtIGFsc28gaW50ZXJlc3RlZC4gWW91ciBleHBlcmllbmNlIGNvdWxkIGhlbHANCj4g bWUgb3V0Lg0KPiANCj4gLVdhc2gNCj4gDQo+IC0tDQo+IE9kaGlhbWJvIFdhc2hpbmd0b24gIElu dGVyLUNvbm5lY3QgTHRkLiwNCj4gd2FzaEBpY29ubmVjdC5jby5rZSAgNXRoIEZsciBGdXJhaGEg UGxhemENCj4gVGVsOiAyNTQgMTEgMjIyNjA0ICAgTmtydW1haCBSZC4sDQo+IEZheDogMjU0IDEx IDIyMjYzNiAgIFBPIEJveCA4MzYxMyBNT01CQVNBLCBLRS4NCj4gDQo+IEd1eXMgYXJlIGxpa2Ug cGFya2luZyBzcGFjZXMsIHRoZXkncmUgYWxsIGVpdGhlciB0YWtlbiBvciBoYW5kaWNhcHBlZC4g QW5kIHRoZSANCj4gc2Vjb25kIHlvdSBmaW5hbGx5IGZpbmQgb25lLCB5b3Ugc2VlIGFuIGV2ZW4g YmV0dGVyIG9uZSBhY3Jvc3MgdGhlIGxvdC4gDQo+IA0K To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 17:13:27 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 17:13:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au [202.14.186.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B62337B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA71394; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:11:26 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from anwsmh@IPAustralia.Gov.AU) Received: from disc-4-161.aipo.gov.au(10.0.4.161) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au via smap (V2.0) id xma071379; Thu, 4 Jan 01 12:11:01 +1100 Received: from localhost (anwsmh@localhost) by stan.aipo.gov.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01137; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:11:00 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from anwsmh@IPAustralia.Gov.AU) X-Authentication-Warning: stan.aipo.gov.au: anwsmh owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:10:59 +1100 (EST) From: Stanley Hopcroft X-Sender: anwsmh@stan.aipo.gov.au To: Tom Samplonius Cc: Tim Gustafson , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question Re: Multiple Default Gateways In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: anwsmh@IPAustralia.Gov.AU Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sir, I am writing to thank you for your reply and say On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Tom Samplonius wrote: snip snip snip > > There is a patch that load balances over multiple destinations for the > same route. This is how everyone else defines the behavour of multiple > destinations per route (aka equal cost routing, or multipathing). > > ... > > > Tom > > > Please would you let me know where the "patch" for equal cost multi-path (ECMP) is located ? The last I heard from the last ECMP author (Chris Luke) is that his patch was for 2.2.x and there was nothing available for any later FreeBSD release. If you have such a patch I am sure there will be a lot of interest in it. Thank you, Yours sincerely, S Hopcroft IP Australia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 17:20:34 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 17:20:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-9.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8470037B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:20:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA60458 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:20:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bill) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:20:22 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Message-ID: <20010103202022.A60418@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@bilver.wjv.com References: <3A53AEA4.1C9E3A30@quake.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A53AEA4.1C9E3A30@quake.com.au>; from kaltorak@quake.com.au on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 09:58:44AM +1100 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 09:58:44AM +1100, Kal Torak thus spoke: > > I had seen the Adaptec board a few places, but it's expensive and I am > > sick of Adaptec lately. > I agree with you, but I would also have to say the Adaptec Quad > ethernet card is probably the best on the market atm... Its > 64-bit, the others I have seen are all 32... Then you have to have a motherboard which supports 64 bit. More added expense. -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 18:31:14 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 18:31:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net (bsdie.rwsystems.net [209.197.223.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A484437B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:31:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net([209.197.223.2]) (3343 bytes) by bsdie.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:30:03 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #1 built 2000-Jun-25) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:30:03 -0600 (CST) From: James Wyatt To: Tim Gustafson Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question Re: Multiple Default Gateways In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010103191232.00a57260@esther.falconsoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Tim Gustafson wrote: > I just installed a D-Link DFE-570TX 4-Port network card into one of my > FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE machines. It works great so far, and I have different > IPs assigned to each of the 4 ethernet ports, as follows: > > dc0: inet 10.0.0.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255 [ ... ] > My question is this: > > I'd like to set up four default gateways on the machine, one for each of > the ethernet ports, as follows: > > route add -net 0.0.0.0 -netmask 0.0.0.0 10.0.0.1 [ ... ] > However, after the initial default gateway is set up, I get this for each > of the three subsequent additions: > > route: writing to routing socket: File exists > add net 0.0.0.0: gateway 10.0.1.1: File exists > > How can I make it so this machine will have the four different default > gatways? The reason I have them all is for redundancy - the application > I'm creating pings each of the server's IPs before connecting, and connects > to the one with the lowest round-trip time (thereby load balancing for me, > and also allowing one or two of the DSL lines to be down and people can > still get through). > > I've read some of the archives of this list where it says you can just add > them as I've mentioned above, but it doesn't seem to work like people have > explained it. Do I need to set any special options in the kernel or in the > rc.conf file? > > Incidentally, I don't need or want any of the interfaces to route packets > to the other interfaces. When a TCP connection comes in on the 10.0.0.2 > interface, I need the outbound part of that TCP connection to go back out > the 10.0.0.2 interface. I wasn't sure how a multipath default gateway would look until I got to the bottom of your message. This is a lot like what I want to do with a multiport card and why I've been interested in this card on the FreeBSD list(s). I'm thinking about connecting some BRIs, an ADSL, and a small wireless segment to some low average usage ENets. As a WAG, should you be saying something more like: route add -net 0.0.0.0 -netmask 0.0.0.0 -interface dc0 10.0.0.1 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I didn't think that "route" would do exactly what I wanted and was more thinking of trying ipfw rules. As I understand things, the rules could direct packets from 10.0.0.2 headed for anywhere else to the proper ENet card. If a connect is made to an ISDN address and the only default route is set for ADSL, the reply packets are dropped by the ADSL router as "foreign" - usually a good thing. If my ADSL goes down, the ISDN path is useless until someone manually updates the default route. (I could automate the changeover, but I'd rather it just always worked.) - Jy@ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 18:45: 6 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 18:45:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from stox.sa.enteract.com (kansas.rd.imagescape.com [216.80.88.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14ADA37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:45:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stox@localhost) by stox.sa.enteract.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f042iR900554; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:44:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stox) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010103202022.A60418@wjv.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 20:44:22 -0600 (CST) Sender: stox@cornelius.stox.sa.enteract.com From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Bill Vermillion Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 04-Jan-01 Bill Vermillion wrote: > On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 09:58:44AM +1100, Kal Torak thus spoke: >> > I had seen the Adaptec board a few places, but it's expensive and I am >> > sick of Adaptec lately. > >> I agree with you, but I would also have to say the Adaptec Quad >> ethernet card is probably the best on the market atm... Its >> 64-bit, the others I have seen are all 32... > > Then you have to have a motherboard which supports 64 bit. More > added expense. I think the PCI-64 spec requires that the board also function in a PCI-32 slot. The driver may not support it, but the hardware should. Worked for Myranet cards. at least. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 19:14: 7 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 19:14:05 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E23C37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14E08f-0003o4-00; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:28:25 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:28:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Stanley Hopcroft Cc: Tim Gustafson , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question Re: Multiple Default Gateways In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Stanley Hopcroft wrote: > Please would you let me know where the "patch" for equal cost > multi-path (ECMP) is located ? > > The last I heard from the last ECMP author (Chris Luke) is that his > patch was for 2.2.x and there was nothing available for any later > FreeBSD release. > > If you have such a patch I am sure there will be a lot of interest in > it. I thought there was a newer version of the patch. If anyone has a copy of the lastest available patch, please send it to me. I'd like to try to update it to 4.x. I understand the original patch was quite straightforward, and the 4.x code shouldn't have changed much (except for the addition of IPv6). > Thank you, > > Yours sincerely, > > S Hopcroft > > IP Australia > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 19:59: 7 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 19:59:04 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from esther.falconsoft.com (esther.falconsoft.com [216.46.87.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2D637B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 19:59:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from WOLFMAN.falconsoft.com (dhcp-05.falconsoft.com [216.46.87.222]) by esther.falconsoft.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f043whI01185; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 03:58:43 GMT (envelope-from tim@falconsoft.com) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20010103224910.00a58a00@esther.falconsoft.com> X-Sender: tim@esther.falconsoft.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:55:56 -0500 To: Tom Samplonius From: Tim Gustafson Subject: Re: Question Re: Multiple Default Gateways Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.2.20010103191232.00a57260@esther.falconsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >That isn't how classic TCP and IP routing works. However, you can use >the ipfw fwd option to specify that traffic from a particular IP gets >pushed to a specifed gateway. Basically, ipfw fwd is way to implement >policy based routing, which is what you probably want. Ok. So here's some more specifics then (just to make sure). My two networks (and their gateways) are: 216.46.87.192/27 -> 216.46.87.193 64.74.56.160/27 -> 64.74.56.161 So to enable this on the machine, I do this: # Allow All Local Traffic To Pass Normally ipfw add allow ip from 216.46.87.192/27 to 216.46.87.192/27 # Forward All Other Traffic To The Router ipfw add fwd 216.46.87.193 ip from 216.46.87.192/27 to any # Allow All Local Traffic To Pass Normally ipfw add allow ip from 64.74.56.160/27 to 64.74.56.160/27 # Forward All Other Traffic To The Router ipfw add fwd 64.74.56.161 ip from 64.74.56.160/27 to any Is that correct? It seems to work, but I'd just like to make sure I'm doing it correctly. Thanks. Tim -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tim Gustafson tim@falconsoft.com www.falconsoft.com (631)475-6662 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Share your knowledge - it's a way to achieve immortality. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 21:10:26 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 21:10:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from woodruffs.net (jjw.smart.net [207.176.88.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4241C37B402 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:10:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jjw@localhost) by woodruffs.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id AAA00682 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:09:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jjw) From: John Woodruff Message-Id: <200101040509.AAA00682@woodruffs.net> Subject: Where are Old Releases? To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 00:09:05 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been asked to rebuild the kernel of a 2.2.7 machine I installed for a customer ages ago. There are what seem to be good reasons *not* to upgrade; but no good reason for me to lose the 2.2.7 CD that I installed from, which I did. Does anyone have 2.2.7-RELEASE published anywhere, or do I have to learn to use cvs to extract it? BTW, I have to build it on a 2.2.8 machine. I guess I'll learn to do cross-compiles. I assume I need /usr/src/sys and /usr/include from 2.2.7. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 22:13:51 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 22:13:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-146.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D0937B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA62102 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:13:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bill) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:13:31 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Message-ID: <20010104011331.A62078@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@bilver.wjv.com References: <20010103202022.A60418@wjv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from stox@imagescape.com on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 08:44:22PM -0600 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 08:44:22PM -0600, Kenneth P. Stox thus spoke: > > On 04-Jan-01 Bill Vermillion wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 09:58:44AM +1100, Kal Torak thus spoke: > >> > I had seen the Adaptec board a few places, but it's expensive and I am > >> > sick of Adaptec lately. > > > >> I agree with you, but I would also have to say the Adaptec Quad > >> ethernet card is probably the best on the market atm... Its > >> 64-bit, the others I have seen are all 32... > > > > Then you have to have a motherboard which supports 64 bit. More > > added expense. > I think the PCI-64 spec requires that the board also function in > a PCI-32 slot. The driver may not support it, but the hardware > should. I saw some 64 PCI's and they surely wouildn't fit in the PC-32 slot - too many pins. Or did I see something different. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 3 22:50: 4 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 22:50:00 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (PacHell.TelcoSucks.org [207.90.181.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A611237B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by PacHell.TelcoSucks.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f046nc405748; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:49:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:49:37 -0800 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: bv@wjv.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Message-ID: <20010103224937.A2041@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org> Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <20010103202022.A60418@wjv.com> <20010104011331.A62078@wjv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010104011331.A62078@wjv.com>; from bill@wjv.com on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 01:13:31AM -0500 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE Sender: ulf@PacHell.TelcoSucks.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 01:13:31AM -0500, Bill Vermillion wrote: > On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 08:44:22PM -0600, Kenneth P. Stox thus spoke: > > > > On 04-Jan-01 Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 09:58:44AM +1100, Kal Torak thus spoke: > > >> > I had seen the Adaptec board a few places, but it's expensive and I am > > >> > sick of Adaptec lately. > > > > > >> I agree with you, but I would also have to say the Adaptec Quad > > >> ethernet card is probably the best on the market atm... Its > > >> 64-bit, the others I have seen are all 32... > > > > > > Then you have to have a motherboard which supports 64 bit. More > > > added expense. > > > I think the PCI-64 spec requires that the board also function in > > a PCI-32 slot. The driver may not support it, but the hardware > > should. > > I saw some 64 PCI's and they surely wouildn't fit in the PC-32 slot > - too many pins. Or did I see something different. You missed the interruptions between the 32bit part and the extra pins to make it 64bit. If your board is designed correctly it will take 64bit cards, just some pins will hang over the 32bit slot. > > Bill > -- > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 8: 9:47 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 08:09:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEA537B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:09:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29300; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:15:19 GMT (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010104111052.025ee680@mail.etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:15:47 -0500 To: bv@wjv.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Dennis Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp In-Reply-To: <20010103202022.A60418@wjv.com> References: <3A53AEA4.1C9E3A30@quake.com.au> <3A53AEA4.1C9E3A30@quake.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:20 PM 01/03/2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: >On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 09:58:44AM +1100, Kal Torak thus spoke: > > > I had seen the Adaptec board a few places, but it's expensive and I am > > > sick of Adaptec lately. > > > I agree with you, but I would also have to say the Adaptec Quad > > ethernet card is probably the best on the market atm... Its > > 64-bit, the others I have seen are all 32... > >Then you have to have a motherboard which supports 64 bit. More >added expense. Well its an extra few $100., versus paying 75K for a cisco 7xxx series. You do the math. A dual bus 64-bit MB has 5 Gigabits of bus bandwidth (vs 1Gb on a standard MB). Its a nice solution, particularly if you want to run say 4-8 ethernets and 4 T3 HSSIs or 12 T1s. Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 8:45:16 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 08:45:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-186.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9442F37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:45:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA66820 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:45:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bill) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:44:56 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2 cisco's and a fbsd box running bgp Message-ID: <20010104114456.A66792@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@bilver.wjv.com References: <3A53AEA4.1C9E3A30@quake.com.au> <3A53AEA4.1C9E3A30@quake.com.au> <20010103202022.A60418@wjv.com> <5.0.0.25.0.20010104111052.025ee680@mail.etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010104111052.025ee680@mail.etinc.com>; from dennis@etinc.com on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:15:47AM -0500 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:15:47AM -0500, Dennis thus spoke: > At 08:20 PM 01/03/2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > >On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 09:58:44AM +1100, Kal Torak thus spoke: > > > > > > I had seen the Adaptec board a few places, but it's > > > > expensive and I am sick of Adaptec lately. > > > I agree with you, but I would also have to say the Adaptec Quad > > > ethernet card is probably the best on the market atm... Its > > > 64-bit, the others I have seen are all 32... > >Then you have to have a motherboard which supports 64 bit. More > >added expense. > Well its an extra few $100., versus paying 75K for a cisco 7xxx > series. You do the math. Well that is a cheaper route, but 75K for a Cicso 7xxx only to get an extra ethernet port. There was an insurance settlement in a shipping damage claim so where I used to work got a 7513, 1 HSSI, two 8-port serial cards, an 6 port ethernet card, dual power supplies for $22K. It was to be $33K. Surplus - new in box from a large company - through a liquidator. Value was good as it came to about $130/pound. Smaller devices cost more :-) We've never bought any new Cisco equipment except when there were big deals on brand new models to get the into the field. Had about a dozen of the 25xx deployed outside the building. > A dual bus 64-bit MB has 5 Gigabits of bus bandwidth (vs 1Gb on a > standard MB). Its a nice solution, particularly if you want to run > say 4-8 ethernets and 4 T3 HSSIs or 12 T1s. Which brings up this question. How much is the m'board going to limit the performance? That's not rhetorical, that's a real question that I'd like to know. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 10: 8:25 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 10:08:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hawk-systems.com (unknown [161.58.152.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E5937B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:08:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from server0 (cr901664-a.pr1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.146.66]) by hawk-systems.com (8.8.8) id LAA87098 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:06:51 -0700 (MST) From: "Dave VanAuken" To: Subject: FreeBSD 4.2 > jailled virtual machine and PostgreSQL install/execute Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:14:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010104114456.A66792@wjv.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Have posted this to a pgsql list, but fear that the problem may be with the interaction of it and the jail'ed virtual machine. FreeBSD 4.2 host machine 2 Jailled virtual machines on the host with apache, php... running fine with the insightfull tips from jail users in this list. in installing the pgsql port... problems arise (note, this port was installed prior to the apache port which installed php, mysql, and all the other garbage I selected for the test installation.) telnet into jail'ed virtual machine su to user pgsql (the only uid who has permission to do anything with pgsql) try and start the postmaster produces the following output: %postmaster -i IpcMemoryCreate: shmget failed (Function not implemented) key=5432010, size=144, permission=700 This type of error is usually caused by an improper shared memory or System V IPC semaphore configuration. For more information, see the FAQ and platform-specific FAQ's in the source directory pgsql/doc or on our web site at http://www.postgresql.org. IpcMemoryIdGet: shmget failed (Function not implemented) key=5432010, size=144, permission=0 IpcMemoryAttach: shmat failed (Function not implemented) id=-2 FATAL 1: AttachSLockMemory: could not attach segment % is this a pgsql configuration problem? or the fact that it cannot deal with being in jail... not sure where to start picking this one apart. initial thoughs would be that shmget isn't allowed to function from within the jail, or isn't installed/didn't complete installation when pgsql was installed. TIA Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 10:16:31 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 10:16:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3E737B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:16:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14EEEi-0004pX-00; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:31:36 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:31:35 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Dave VanAuken Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 > jailled virtual machine and PostgreSQL install/execute In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Dave VanAuken wrote: > in installing the pgsql port... problems arise ... > IpcMemoryCreate: shmget failed (Function not implemented) key=5432010, Known issue. By default SYSV shared memory is disabled in jails. There is a sysctl to reactivate it. However, SYSV shared memory is shared between jails. In fact, this is mentioned in the man page! Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 10:39:57 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 10:39:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from eh.est.is (eh.est.is [194.144.208.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B96437B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:39:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from Thordur ([10.168.65.10]) by eh.est.is (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA31104 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:41:02 GMT (envelope-from toti@skrin.is) From: =?iso-8859-1?B?3vNy8HVyIM12YXJzc29u?= To: Subject: ftp difference ?? Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:41:06 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am isp in Iceland and got problem with ftpd I have two systems running one with 3.4-RELEASE and another with 2.2.7-RELEASE. User here has used GoLive 4.0.1 for web editing on the 2.2.7-R system for some time, until I got warnings telling me that the disk is breaking, so I moved his web to new webserver running 3.4-RELEASE. The problem is that he doesn't see the contents of the web on the new system, but it works in the old. I have heard of similar problems on other places with different OS. Is difference in the ftp sever 2.2.7-R and 3.4-R ? WU ftpd doesn't work either Does anyone know what the problem is? Ivarsson. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 11:20:58 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 11:20:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hawk-systems.com (unknown [161.58.152.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FFDE37B402 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:20:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from server0 (cr901664-a.pr1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.146.66]) by hawk-systems.com (8.8.8) id MAA93636 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:19:24 -0700 (MST) From: "Dave VanAuken" To: Subject: RE: FreeBSD 4.2 > jailled virtual machine and PostgreSQL install/execute Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:26:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Deserved the RTFM for not mentioning that I already had added the flag in sysctl.conf on the host machine setting the jail.sysvipc_allowed=1 So with that in mind, this is one of the cases where this app will not function because of the jail environment? Thanks Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Tom Samplonius On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Dave VanAuken wrote: > in installing the pgsql port... problems arise ... > IpcMemoryCreate: shmget failed (Function not implemented) key=5432010, Known issue. By default SYSV shared memory is disabled in jails. There is a sysctl to reactivate it. However, SYSV shared memory is shared between jails. In fact, this is mentioned in the man page! Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 14:47:51 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 14:47:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sun2.siteone.net (ns2.site-one.com [209.246.218.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9EB37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:47:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from David (wan104.siteone.net [209.246.218.40]) by sun2.siteone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA14006 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:48:32 -0500 From: "David Lawson" To: "FreeBSD ISP" Subject: Multiple Companies One Mail Server Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:48:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0091_01C07676.92114E00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C07676.92114E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there anyway to have a email username have a @ sign. ex.. user would use username@domainname.com as a username to check their email address username@domainname.com We are trying to running multiple companies on one mail server. We are able to do this with Radius. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C07676.92114E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C07676.92114E00-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 14:53:11 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 14:53:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from anaconda.acceleratedweb.net (anaconda.acceleratedweb.net [209.51.164.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E041937B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:53:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31874 invoked by uid 106); 4 Jan 2001 22:58:17 -0000 Received: from 24-168-46-57.nyc.rr.com (HELO sharky) (24.168.46.57) by anaconda.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 22:58:17 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "David Lawson" , "FreeBSD ISP" Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 17:57:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Simon" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_46124000=_=_=_" Subject: Re: Multiple Companies One Mail Server Message-Id: <20010104225307.E041937B400@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_46124000=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd suggest to use something other than @ sign for a delimiter as some email clients strip everything after @ sign. We use %. By the way, we have this setup with Qmail. Good luck. my $0.02 -Simon --Original Message Text--- From: David Lawson Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:48:39 -0500 Is there anyway to have a email username have a @ sign. ex.. user would use username@domainname.com as a username to check their email address username@domainname.com We are trying to running multiple companies on one mail server. We are able to do this with Radius. --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_46124000=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd suggest to use something other than @ sign for a delimiter as some email clients strip everything after @ sign. We use %. By the way, we have this setup with Qmail. Good luck.

my $0.02

-Simon

--Original Message Text---
From: David Lawson
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:48:39 -0500

Is there anyway to have a email username have a @ sign.

ex.. user would use username@domainname.com as a username to check their email address username@domainname.com

We are trying to running multiple companies on one mail server. We are able to do this with Radius.


--_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_46124000=_=_=_-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 14:59:28 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 14:59:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.numachi.com (numachi.numachi.com [198.175.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE32337B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:59:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10200 invoked by uid 3001); 4 Jan 2001 22:59:15 -0000 Received: from natto.numachi.com (198.175.254.216) by numachi.numachi.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 22:59:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 7604 invoked by uid 1001); 4 Jan 2001 22:59:15 -0000 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:59:15 -0500 From: Brian Reichert To: David Lawson Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: Multiple Companies One Mail Server Message-ID: <20010104175915.I5794@numachi.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from dave@siteone.net on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 05:48:39PM -0500 Sender: reichert@natto.numachi.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 05:48:39PM -0500, David Lawson wrote: > Is there anyway to have a email username have a @ sign. Yes, I'm running a POP/IMAP server (qmail based) that supports this. But, not all POP/IMAP _clients_ will support a '@' in the username, they badly assume that only the stuff before the '@' is the username... > ex.. user would use username@domainname.com as a username to check their > email address username@domainname.com > > We are trying to running multiple companies on one mail server. We are able > to do this with Radius. -- Brian 'you Bastard' Reichert 37 Crystal Ave. #303 Daytime number: (603) 434-6842 Derry NH 03038-1713 USA Intel architecture: the left-hand path To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 15:13:13 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 15:13:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hostorama.com (208-128-72-15.ipv4.intur.net [208.128.72.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 48DC337B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 54908 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 23:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO me) (12.45.139.50) by 0 with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 23:25:36 -0000 From: "Eric Walters" To: "Freebsd-Isp (E-mail)" Subject: Strange DNS issue Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:12:58 -0600 Message-ID: <000b01c076a3$e13eccf0$628a13ac@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a system running 4.0 stable with Bind 8.2.2 and I have been experiencing some strange problems with other Internet DNS servers not being able to properly resolve hosts on my DNS server. Scenario: I have mail.xyz.com, www.xyz.com, host.xyz.com as A records in my zone files. Very sporadically I get a call from someone saying that they cannot get to www.xyz.com. I have them ping around and they can ping mail and host, but www comes back with unknown host. If I have them do an nslookup and change to another DNS server out on the net, it works. A short while later the problem will resolve itself. The system running DNS is a little Pentium 75 and has 64mb ram. I do not have it doing anything else except DNS. I don't think the performance of the machine is causing the problem, but am not sure. There are no errors in the logs to indicate what the problem might be. Any clues? Thanks, Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 15:26:10 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 15:26:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C96B037B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:26:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 47389 invoked by uid 1001); 4 Jan 2001 23:26:05 +0000 (GMT) To: ewalters@nms2001.com Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange DNS issue From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:12:58 -0600" References: <000b01c076a3$e13eccf0$628a13ac@me> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 00:26:05 +0100 Message-ID: <47387.978650765@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have mail.xyz.com, www.xyz.com, host.xyz.com as A records in my zone > files. > Very sporadically I get a call from someone saying that they cannot get to > www.xyz.com. I have them ping around and they can ping mail and host, but > www comes back with unknown host. If I have them do an nslookup and change > to another DNS server out on the net, it works. A short while later the > problem will resolve itself. ... > Any clues? Tell us the real name of the xyz.com domain so that we can check your name server for ourselves. *Then* we might be able to help. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 15:31:52 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 15:31:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5377937B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sv.Go2France.com (sv.meiway.com [212.73.210.79]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 7EC4C6A913 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:31:49 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010105002712.045aa2c0@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 00:30:13 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: Strange DNS issue In-Reply-To: <000b01c076a3$e13eccf0$628a13ac@me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Very sporadically I get a call from someone saying that they cannot get to >www.xyz.com. I have them ping around and they can ping mail and host, but >www comes back with unknown host. If I have them do an nslookup and change >to another DNS server out on the net, it works. A short while later the >problem will resolve itself. >Any clues? Give me a clue, even privately, to the name of troublesome domain and I'll run DNS Analyzer over it. This smells like resolution instability due to illegal CNAME records and/or delegation mess. Len http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : Binary for ISC BIND 8.2.3 T9B for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 15:42: 0 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 15:41:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B8137B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14EJJl-0005FQ-00; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:57:09 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:57:07 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: =?iso-8859-1?B?3vNy8HVyIM12YXJzc29u?= Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ftp difference ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, [iso-8859-1] =DE=F3r=F0ur =CDvarsson wrote: > webserver running 3.4-RELEASE. The problem is that he doesn't see the > contents of the web > on the new system, but it works in the old. I have heard of similar probl= ems > on other > places with different OS. >=20 > Is difference in the ftp sever 2.2.7-R and 3.4-R ? > WU ftpd doesn't work either >=20 > Does anyone know what the problem is? >=20 > Ivarsson. Using ftpd in a chroot setup, but either the ftpd does not support internal ls, or does not have an external ls in the chroot? To To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 15:59:39 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 15:58:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA02837B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:58:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14EJa2-0005Gr-00; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:13:58 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:13:58 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Dave VanAuken Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: FreeBSD 4.2 > jailled virtual machine and PostgreSQL install/execute In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Dave VanAuken wrote: > Deserved the RTFM for not mentioning that I already had added the flag > in sysctl.conf on the host machine setting the jail.sysvipc_allowed=1 > > So with that in mind, this is one of the cases where this app will not > function because of the jail environment? > > Thanks > > Dave If you have SYSV memory enabled for jails, and it still doesn't work, it is possible that you've compiled SYSV memory out your custom kernel. It is in GENERIC by default. Also, try running postgres outside a jail. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 20:17:29 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 20:17:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hostorama.com (208-128-72-15.ipv4.intur.net [208.128.72.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1FA8E37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 20:17:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 57334 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 04:30:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO me) (65.10.13.136) by 0 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 04:30:01 -0000 From: "Eric Walters" To: "'Freebsd-Isp (E-mail)'" Subject: RE: Strange DNS issue Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 22:17:22 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c076ce$67956b40$6401a8c0@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000b01c076a3$e13eccf0$628a13ac@me> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks to all for replying. Finding this DNS Expert is probably one of the best tools that I have been pointed to. Well Worth the investment it looks like. I have already found and corrected several screw ups on my part (Not an experienced DNS admin). Thanks, Eric -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Eric Walters Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 5:13 PM To: Freebsd-Isp (E-mail) Subject: Strange DNS issue I have a system running 4.0 stable with Bind 8.2.2 and I have been experiencing some strange problems with other Internet DNS servers not being able to properly resolve hosts on my DNS server. Scenario: I have mail.xyz.com, www.xyz.com, host.xyz.com as A records in my zone files. Very sporadically I get a call from someone saying that they cannot get to www.xyz.com. I have them ping around and they can ping mail and host, but www comes back with unknown host. If I have them do an nslookup and change to another DNS server out on the net, it works. A short while later the problem will resolve itself. The system running DNS is a little Pentium 75 and has 64mb ram. I do not have it doing anything else except DNS. I don't think the performance of the machine is causing the problem, but am not sure. There are no errors in the logs to indicate what the problem might be. Any clues? Thanks, Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 4 23:40: 4 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 23:39:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from krell.webweaver.net (krell.webweaver.net [64.124.90.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 714D537B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:39:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from xwin.nmhtech.com (xwin.daemontech.net [208.138.46.161]) by krell.webweaver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3468720F04; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:39:56 -0800 (PST) Content-Length: 3057 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 2 (High) Priority: urgent Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 23:39:56 -0800 (PST) Sender: altera@xwin.nmhtech.com From: Nicole To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Problem with fxp0 card and slowing/dying transmits Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all My poor hair is abt to come out as I keep pulling on it trying to solve what is, to me, a Very Very weird problem. I have a server, running FreeBSD-3.5-STABLE as of 1/2/2000. It is a dual 400Mhz processor system with (I think) an Intel Motherboard (could also be a tyan) that has built in (intel) Ethernet and SCSI. It has 256 Megs of Memory. It is connected to an Intel 460 switch along with abt 5 others servers very similar to it. The problem is that when trying to scp a file or send a large file to it via sendmail, (large = 253952 ) it seems to transmit along happily, then (at least for scp) at abt 1/2 way through, it seems to just start crawling. When I have let it run, it will go forever and will seem to eventually finish but will hang as the transfer speed keeps dropping through the floor. I have tried numerous things, including shutting off the built in Ethernet card and replacing it with a standard intel 10/100 pro card. (not the new ones with the small VLSI chip, but the older style unit, exactly like what the other systems have) I have tried altering net.inet.tcp.rfc1323 and net.inet.tcp.rfc1644. I have tried setting the card into solid 100TX via ifconfig (ifconfig fxp0 inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 media 100baseTX ) with no effect. I even tried setting it to 10/BT with no improvement. Changed the port it was in on the switch. Changed cables 3 times. Said several ancient prayers, and even succomed to eating dead cow over it. The only other semi clue is that it was just moved from another ISP were it was plugged into a Cisco switch and it seemed to be working fine there. All of the other servers with the same card seem to work fine however via the same Intel switch. You would think it would be happier, Intel card to Intel switch anyway. ANY help or clues would be appreciated. Could this be caused by the MB? What else can I try? Please CC me in any replies to make sure I see it right away. Thanks!!! Nicole nicole@home:/home/nicole> sysctl -a | grep tcp tcpcb: 288, 2344, 124, 142, 2761 net.inet.tcp.rfc1323: 0 net.inet.tcp.rfc1644: 1 net.inet.tcp.mssdflt: 512 net.inet.tcp.rttdflt: 3 net.inet.tcp.keepidle: 14400 net.inet.tcp.keepintvl: 150 net.inet.tcp.sendspace: 16384 net.inet.tcp.recvspace: 16384 net.inet.tcp.keepinit: 150 net.inet.tcp.log_in_vain: 0 net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack: 1 net.inet.tcp.pcbcount: 124 net.inet.tcp.always_keepalive: 1 nicole@unixgirl.com |\ __ /| (`\ http://www.unixgirl.com/ webmistress@dangermouse.org | o_o |__ ) ) http://www.dangermouse.org/ nicole@deviantimages.com // \\ http://www.deviantimages.com/ ---------------------------(((---(((---------------------------------------- -- Powered by Coka-Cola and FreeBSD -- -- I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble -- -- Back Up My Hard Drive? I Can't Find The Reverse Switch! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 5 5:56: 1 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 05:55:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gtw.net (mail.gtw.net [208.33.253.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0CC5237B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 05:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27066 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 13:58:27 -0000 Received: from 71.pm3.gtw.net (HELO w1) (63.161.82.71) by mail.gtw.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 13:58:27 -0000 Reply-To: From: "John Brooks" To: "'Freebsd-Isp (E-mail)'" Subject: RE: Strange DNS issue Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:35:05 -0600 Message-ID: <000401c0771e$99785be0$0b00a8c0@dle> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <000001c076ce$67956b40$6401a8c0@me> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Glad you found such a wonderful tool, would you mind sharing a URL with the rest of us? -- John Brooks Email: john@stlbsd.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Eric Walters Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 10:17 PM To: 'Freebsd-Isp (E-mail)' Subject: RE: Strange DNS issue Thanks to all for replying. Finding this DNS Expert is probably one of the best tools that I have been pointed to. Well Worth the investment it looks like. I have already found and corrected several screw ups on my part (Not an experienced DNS admin). Thanks, Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 5 6: 1:33 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 06:01:31 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47BC37B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 06:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by picalon.gun.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22612; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:00:37 +0100 (MET) >Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f05DYC171623; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:34:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:34:12 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Len Conrad Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Strange DNS issue Message-ID: <20010105143412.A71575@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <000b01c076a3$e13eccf0$628a13ac@me> <5.0.2.1.0.20010105002712.045aa2c0@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010105002712.045aa2c0@mail.Go2France.com>; from LConrad@Go2France.com on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 12:30:13AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 12:30:13AM +0100, Len Conrad wrote: > > Give me a clue, even privately, to the name of troublesome domain and > I'll run DNS Analyzer over it. This smells like resolution > instability due to illegal CNAME records and/or delegation mess. Whats this DNS analyzer ? Open Source/freely available or tools written by you ? I'd like to get a pointer (url, ...) if possible. Thanks Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm Powered by FreeBSD SMP Songs from our band >>64Bits<<............http://www.apsfilter.org/64bits.html My homepage................................ http://people.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas Please note: Apsfilter got a NEW HOME................http://www.apsfilter.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 5 6:10:10 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 06:10:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E6F37B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 06:10:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from sv.Go2France.com (sv.meiway.com [212.73.210.79]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 52C6D6A90E for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 15:10:06 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010105150336.042b3ba0@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 15:08:24 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: RE: Strange DNS issue In-Reply-To: <000401c0771e$99785be0$0b00a8c0@dle> References: <000001c076ce$67956b40$6401a8c0@me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Glad you found such a wonderful tool, would you mind sharing a URL with the >rest of us? sorry, I didn't want to promote an excellent windows app in a Fbsd list, but you forced me :))) www.MenAndMice.com they're from Iceland. It's a very quick way to look at a zone (or 500 in batch mode) before you go dig'ing into it. Here's yours: DNS Expert Detailed Report for day-light.com 05/01/01, 15:06, using the analysis setting "Thorough" ====================================================================== Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Serial number: 2000061701 Primary name server: ns1.day-light.net. Primary mail server: mail.day-light.net. Number of records: 8 (2 NS, 2 MX, 4 A, 0 CNAME, 0 PTR, 0 Other) Warnings ---------------------------------------------------------------------- o The TTL field in the SOA record contains an unusually high value The value 604800 of the TTL field in the SOA record is unusually high. The value for this field should be within the range 3600 - 172800. o The Minimum TTL field in the SOA record contains an unusually high value The value 604800 of the Minimum field in the SOA record is unusually high. The value for this field should be within the range 3600 - 172800. o There is only one MX record in the zone The zone contains only one MX record. This will cause mail delivery problems if the primary mail server becomes unavailable. For safety purposes, there should be two or more mail servers for every zone, the extra mail servers being used as backup (secondary) servers for the primary server. Errors ---------------------------------------------------------------------- o The reverse record "1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa." does not refer to the host "localhost.day-light.com." The reverse record "1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa." refers to "localhost.", but it should refer to "localhost.day-light.com.". ---------------------------------------------------------------------- end of report Len To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 5 6:14:47 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 06:14:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hostorama.com (208-128-72-15.ipv4.intur.net [208.128.72.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0E5F37B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 06:14:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 62265 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 14:27:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO me) (12.45.139.50) by 0 with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 14:27:21 -0000 From: "Eric Walters" To: , "'Freebsd-Isp (E-mail)'" Subject: RE: Strange DNS issue Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:14:41 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c07721$d9705e20$628a13ac@me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5DBDB118A584D2119AB600805FA787320215BBB8@txcorp-msg-06.7-11.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org www.miceandmen.com You can download a fully working copy of their professional version which will work for 7 days. This version allows you to analyze multiple domains at the same time. They even give support for the trial version, which you probably won't need. The errors that it provides are very descriptive and pretty much point you to exactly where your problems are. This saved me SO much time. Good luck, Eric -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of John Brooks Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 7:35 AM To: 'Freebsd-Isp (E-mail)' Subject: RE: Strange DNS issue Glad you found such a wonderful tool, would you mind sharing a URL with the rest of us? -- John Brooks Email: john@stlbsd.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Eric Walters Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 10:17 PM To: 'Freebsd-Isp (E-mail)' Subject: RE: Strange DNS issue Thanks to all for replying. Finding this DNS Expert is probably one of the best tools that I have been pointed to. Well Worth the investment it looks like. I have already found and corrected several screw ups on my part (Not an experienced DNS admin). Thanks, Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 5 6:56:49 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 06:56:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-35.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39B237B402 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 06:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA81760 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:56:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bill) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:56:28 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange DNS issue Message-ID: <20010105095628.B81661@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@bilver.wjv.com References: <000001c076ce$67956b40$6401a8c0@me> <000401c0771e$99785be0$0b00a8c0@dle> <5.0.2.1.0.20010105150336.042b3ba0@mail.Go2France.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010105150336.042b3ba0@mail.Go2France.com>; from LConrad@Go2France.com on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 03:08:24PM +0100 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 03:08:24PM +0100, Len Conrad thus spoke: > >Glad you found such a wonderful tool, would you mind sharing a > >URL with the rest of us? > sorry, I didn't want to promote an excellent windows app in a Fbsd > list, but you forced me :))) > www.MenAndMice.com they're from Iceland. > It's a very quick way to look at a zone (or 500 in batch mode) before > you go dig'ing into it. And for those who don't have to handle multiple-domains, I've found the nslint in the ports to be exceptionally helpful. I preger it to 'dig' Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 5 7:10:48 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 07:10:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns0.sitesnow.com (ns0.sitesnow.com [63.166.182.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F326237B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:10:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from gskouby by ns0.sitesnow.com with local (Exim 3.13 #1) id 14EYVf-0009Mk-00; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:10:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:10:26 -0500 From: Greg Skouby To: Andreas Klemm Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange DNS issue Message-ID: <20010105101026.A35736@sitesnow.com> References: <000b01c076a3$e13eccf0$628a13ac@me> <5.0.2.1.0.20010105002712.045aa2c0@mail.Go2France.com> <20010105143412.A71575@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010105143412.A71575@titan.klemm.gtn.com>; from andreas@klemm.gtn.com on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 02:34:12PM +0100 Sender: Greg Skouby Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Go to http://www.menandmice.com and you will find it. On another note. I downloaded the program to see what is was all about. It is pretty nice but doesn't anybody know how they check to see if the MX host can be used as a relay. On one of my zones it says "the MX could possibly used as a relay" but on the MX host I didn't see anything where the program tried to connect to the MX and relay mail through it. Kind of weird. I know I should be asking the authors of the software but just wondered if anybody else that it was weird. Thanks. Greg On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 02:34:12PM +0100, Andreas Klemm wrote: > On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 12:30:13AM +0100, Len Conrad wrote: > > > > Give me a clue, even privately, to the name of troublesome domain and > > I'll run DNS Analyzer over it. This smells like resolution > > instability due to illegal CNAME records and/or delegation mess. > > Whats this DNS analyzer ? Open Source/freely available or tools > written by you ? I'd like to get a pointer (url, ...) if possible. > > Thanks > > Andreas /// > > -- > Andreas Klemm Powered by FreeBSD SMP > Songs from our band >>64Bits<<............http://www.apsfilter.org/64bits.html > My homepage................................ http://people.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas > Please note: Apsfilter got a NEW HOME................http://www.apsfilter.org/ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 5 7:25:16 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 07:25:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from relay2.agava.net.ru (2.oivt.mipt.ru [193.125.142.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1142237B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 07:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.office.agava.ru (2.oivt.mipt.ru [193.125.142.2]) by relay2.agava.net.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272F943722; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:25:09 +0300 (MSK) Received: from hellbell.domain (hellbell.domain [192.168.1.12]) by gw.office.agava.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281885E90; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:25:08 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hellbell.domain (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D85CFA4; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:25:07 +0300 (MSK) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:25:07 +0300 (MSK) From: Alexey Zakirov X-Sender: frank@hellbell.domain To: Dave VanAuken Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 > jailled virtual machine and PostgreSQL install/execute In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Dave VanAuken wrote: > %postmaster -i > IpcMemoryCreate: shmget failed (Function not implemented) key=5432010, > size=144, permission=700 > This type of error is usually caused by an improper > shared memory or System V IPC semaphore configuration. > For more information, see the FAQ and platform-specific > FAQ's in the source directory pgsql/doc or on our > web site at http://www.postgresql.org. > IpcMemoryIdGet: shmget failed (Function not implemented) key=5432010, > size=144, permission=0 > IpcMemoryAttach: shmat failed (Function not implemented) id=-2 > FATAL 1: AttachSLockMemory: could not attach segment > % sysctl -w jail.sysvipc_allowed=1 ? *** WBR, Alexey Zakirov (frank@agava.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 5 9:20: 4 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 09:19:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from qmail.corpex.net (qmail.corpex.net [195.153.247.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B9A4337B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:19:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 37127 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 17:26:08 -0000 Received: from perseus.corpex.net (HELO perseus) (195.153.247.226) by qmail.corpex.net with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 17:26:08 -0000 From: "Jonathan Defries" To: "David Lawson" Cc: "Freebsd-Isp@Freebsd. Org" Subject: RE: Multiple Companies One Mail Server Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:19:47 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We use qmail to do this quite happily for several thousand domains. Microsoft products happily accept a username of user@domain.com. Netscape and Eudora (and I think OE for the Mac) don't like it, I guess they parse the domain as being after the first @ symbol, not after the last. In this case, we just get people to use user%domain.com for their login. Easy on a phone as well "your username is your full email address, if you have problems, replace the @ symbol with the % symbol." Not had any support issues on this either, which makes a nice change :) - Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of David Lawson Sent: 04 January 2001 22:49 To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Multiple Companies One Mail Server Is there anyway to have a email username have a @ sign. ex.. user would use username@domainname.com as a username to check their email address username@domainname.com We are trying to running multiple companies on one mail server. We are able to do this with Radius. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 5 9:22:16 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 09:22:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.thenap.com (mailman.thenap.com [209.190.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F5037B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailman.thenap.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:33:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Drew J. Weaver" To: 'Jonathan Defries' , David Lawson Cc: "Freebsd-Isp@Freebsd. Org" Subject: RE: Multiple Companies One Mail Server Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:33:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0773D.95F4658A" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0773D.95F4658A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We accomplish this through sendmail by having the alias maps such as: joe@domain1.com joedavis joe@domain2.com joewhitsel joe@domain3.com joejohnson We dont have thousands of domains but it seems to work OK for us =) -Drew -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Defries [mailto:jonathan@corpex.com] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 12:20 PM To: David Lawson Cc: Freebsd-Isp@Freebsd. Org Subject: RE: Multiple Companies One Mail Server We use qmail to do this quite happily for several thousand domains. Microsoft products happily accept a username of user@domain.com. Netscape and Eudora (and I think OE for the Mac) don't like it, I guess they parse the domain as being after the first @ symbol, not after the last. In this case, we just get people to use user%domain.com for their login. Easy on a phone as well "your username is your full email address, if you have problems, replace the @ symbol with the % symbol." Not had any support issues on this either, which makes a nice change :) - Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of David Lawson Sent: 04 January 2001 22:49 To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Multiple Companies One Mail Server Is there anyway to have a email username have a @ sign. ex.. user would use username@domainname.com as a username to check their email address username@domainname.com We are trying to running multiple companies on one mail server. We are able to do this with Radius. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0773D.95F4658A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Multiple Companies One Mail Server

We accomplish this through sendmail by having the = alias maps such as:

joe@domain1.com joedavis
joe@domain2.com joewhitsel
joe@domain3.com joejohnson

We dont have thousands of domains but it seems to = work OK for us =3D)

-Drew


-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Defries [mailto:jonathan@corpex.com]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 12:20 PM
To: David Lawson
Cc: Freebsd-Isp@Freebsd. Org
Subject: RE: Multiple Companies One Mail = Server


We use qmail to do this quite happily for several = thousand domains.
Microsoft
products happily accept a username of = user@domain.com. Netscape and Eudora
(and I think OE for the Mac) don't like it, I guess = they parse the domain
as being after the first @ symbol, not after the = last. In this case, we just
get people to use user%domain.com for their = login.

Easy on a phone as well "your username is your = full email address, if you
have problems, replace the @ symbol with the % = symbol." Not had any support
issues on this either, which makes a nice change = :)

 - Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@F= reeBSD.ORG]On
Behalf Of David Lawson
Sent: 04 January 2001 22:49
To: FreeBSD ISP
Subject: Multiple Companies One Mail Server


Is there anyway to have a email username have a @ = sign.

ex.. user would use username@domainname.com as a = username to check their
email address username@domainname.com

We are trying to running multiple companies on one = mail server. We are able
to do this with Radius.



To Unsubscribe: send mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0773D.95F4658A-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 5 10:22:49 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 10:22:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hawk-systems.com (unknown [161.58.152.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FB737B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:22:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from server0 (cr901664-a.pr1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.146.66]) by hawk-systems.com (8.8.8) id LAA99661 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:21:14 -0700 (MST) From: "Dave VanAuken" To: Subject: RE: FreeBSD 4.2 > jailled virtual machine and PostgreSQL install/execute Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:28:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have already set the variable in the sysctl.conf file ## sysctl.conf contents ### jail.set_hostname_allowed=0 jail.set_sysvipc_allowed=1 And to following up on Tom's latest Have installed pgsql on the host machine, configured, added users... all works well Also did an ipcclean on the host machine... looks like sysv is indeed compiled in with the kernel, though I am open to additional checks. I cannot perform ipcclean within the jail environment (wasn't sure if I should expect that to work of not given that the host machine would be controlling the memory)... it generated the following error, almost leading me to believe that despite the jail/allow tag for sysv, it isn't enabled within the jail for some reason: $ ipcclean ipcs: short read SVID messages facility not configured in the system ipcs: short read SVID shared memory facility not configured in the system ipcs: short read SVID semaphores facility not configured in the system $ Perhaps the jail environment is missing support for it despite its being compiled into the host system that created the jail? I sincerely appreciate all the insights, suggestions, and pointers received to date... am getting to the point where I am wondering if this particular app will run under the jail environment because of the shared memory issue... Dave -----Original Message----- From: Alexey Zakirov [mailto:frank@agava.com] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 10:25 AM To: Dave VanAuken Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 > jailled virtual machine and PostgreSQL install/execute On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Dave VanAuken wrote: > %postmaster -i > IpcMemoryCreate: shmget failed (Function not implemented) key=5432010, > size=144, permission=700 > This type of error is usually caused by an improper > shared memory or System V IPC semaphore configuration. > For more information, see the FAQ and platform-specific > FAQ's in the source directory pgsql/doc or on our > web site at http://www.postgresql.org. > IpcMemoryIdGet: shmget failed (Function not implemented) key=5432010, > size=144, permission=0 > IpcMemoryAttach: shmat failed (Function not implemented) id=-2 > FATAL 1: AttachSLockMemory: could not attach segment > % sysctl -w jail.sysvipc_allowed=1 ? *** WBR, Alexey Zakirov (frank@agava.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 5 16:23:51 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 16:23:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (ftp.golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A3737B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:23:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AH9370.63.d1acf55c) with ESMTP id isnsaaaa for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:31:45 +1100 Message-ID: <3A5665A8.C7475C12@quake.com.au> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 11:24:08 +1100 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange DNS issue References: <000001c076ce$67956b40$6401a8c0@me> <5.0.2.1.0.20010105150336.042b3ba0@mail.Go2France.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > sorry, I didn't want to promote an excellent windows app in a Fbsd > list, but you forced me :))) > > www.MenAndMice.com they're from Iceland. > > It's a very quick way to look at a zone (or 500 in batch mode) before > you go dig'ing into it. It seems good, but what about a UNIX program that can do this sort of thing besides 'dig' which is great if you know what it all means :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 5 20:30: 6 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 20:30:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from monet.titania.net (monet.titania.net [209.207.60.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4E937B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from cogentco.com (gatekeeper.cogentco.com [206.64.112.115]) by monet.titania.net (8.11.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f064Ul053591 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 04:30:47 GMT Message-ID: <3A569F48.8010303@cogentco.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 23:30:00 -0500 From: "Joseph T. Klein" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: IPv6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FYI - You have your chance to change the world! In response to the desire of ARIN's members expressed at the October 2000 ARIN Public Policy and Members Meetings, the Board of Trustees, with recommendation from the Advisory Council, agreed that ARIN will no longer collect fees for IPv6 allocations made to current ARIN IPv4 subscribers. This move will be effective January 1, 2001 through December 31, 2002, or until the Board determines that the termination date should be modified. ARIN will refund all IPv6 subscription fees that were collected from ARIN IPv4 subscription holders prior to December 31, 2000. The ARIN Business Office will contact the companies involved for instructions on whether to refund the fee or issue a credit. A similar announcement is posted at: http://www.arin.net/announcements/ipv6fees.html Regards, Susan Hamlin ARIN Member Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 6 12:25:10 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 12:25:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n37.san.rr.com (dt051n37.san.rr.com [204.210.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6040F37B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:25:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n37.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25235; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:24:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <3A577F12.8FEEBC6A@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 12:24:50 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kal Torak Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange DNS issue References: <000001c076ce$67956b40$6401a8c0@me> <5.0.2.1.0.20010105150336.042b3ba0@mail.Go2France.com> <3A5665A8.C7475C12@quake.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kal Torak wrote: > > > sorry, I didn't want to promote an excellent windows app in a Fbsd > > list, but you forced me :))) > > > > www.MenAndMice.com they're from Iceland. > > > > It's a very quick way to look at a zone (or 500 in batch mode) before > > you go dig'ing into it. > > It seems good, but what about a UNIX program that can do this sort of > thing besides 'dig' which is great if you know what it all means :) Learn what it all means. There is no substitute for dig as a DNS diagnostic tool. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 6 12:33:17 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 12:33:15 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.numachi.com (numachi.numachi.com [198.175.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF1C937B402 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3809 invoked by uid 3001); 6 Jan 2001 20:33:13 -0000 Received: from natto.numachi.com (198.175.254.216) by numachi.numachi.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2001 20:33:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 26446 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Jan 2001 20:33:12 -0000 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:33:12 -0500 From: Brian Reichert To: Doug Barton Cc: Kal Torak , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange DNS issue Message-ID: <20010106153312.F26243@numachi.com> References: <000001c076ce$67956b40$6401a8c0@me> <5.0.2.1.0.20010105150336.042b3ba0@mail.Go2France.com> <3A5665A8.C7475C12@quake.com.au> <3A577F12.8FEEBC6A@gorean.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A577F12.8FEEBC6A@gorean.org>; from DougB@gorean.org on Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 12:24:50PM -0800 Sender: reichert@natto.numachi.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 12:24:50PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > Kal Torak wrote: > > > > > sorry, I didn't want to promote an excellent windows app in a Fbsd > > > list, but you forced me :))) > > > > > > www.MenAndMice.com they're from Iceland. > > > > > > It's a very quick way to look at a zone (or 500 in batch mode) before > > > you go dig'ing into it. > > > > It seems good, but what about a UNIX program that can do this sort of > > thing besides 'dig' which is great if you know what it all means :) > > Learn what it all means. There is no substitute for dig as a DNS > diagnostic tool. Heck, the handy 'dnswalk' utlilty is a perlish wrapper around dig. I find it quite useful at times. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Brian 'you Bastard' Reichert 37 Crystal Ave. #303 Daytime number: (603) 434-6842 Derry NH 03038-1713 USA Intel architecture: the left-hand path To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 6 17:35:36 2001 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 17:35:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hawk-systems.com (unknown [161.58.152.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95BC437B402 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from server0 (cr901664-a.pr1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.146.66]) by hawk-systems.com (8.8.8) id SAA17777 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:33:43 -0700 (MST) From: "Dave VanAuken" To: Subject: determine if sysv running/avaialble within a jail Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:41:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org posting here because no one else in the other lists has two bits of knowledge about jails. is there a surefire way to test if sysv is operational within the jail... even if it will not release various memory blocks for use? FreeBSD 4.2 Release sysv memory apparently working and function under host machine cannot to ipcclean and other sysv function, but am not sure if this is a result of those commands not being allowed within the jail or because the sysv memory still isn't available from within the jail. jail'ed environment, ** jail.sysv_allowed is set to 1 on host ** appreciate the input yet again, this is a last attempt as getting this jail off the ground before going to a chroot based virtual server type of solution. Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 6 23:18:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from horizon.island.net.au (gen24081-1.gw.connect.com.au [203.63.133.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A8337B744 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 22:42:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from r2d2 (151-gorgon.island.net.au [203.28.142.151]) by horizon.island.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA29017 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:42:16 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <002501c07874$f7c07aa0$978e1ccb@r2d2> From: "Hugh Blandford" To: Subject: DNS Tools - Zone File Creation Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:42:10 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, looking at the thread going on etc has sparked me to ask. I manage all my zones manually and don't mind. I do a search and replace in vi. However, I have to create a number of zone files all in one go and was wondering if anyone has any scripts to create the zone files. I saw some utilities on the DNS resources page and could look at using them, but most seem to be for administering zones once the files have been created. Any suggestions or offerings would be appreciated. Regards, Hugh Blandford Island Internet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 6 23:36:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4951337B402 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from sv.Go2France.com (sv.meiway.com [212.73.210.79]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 2CAC46A901 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 08:35:56 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010107082319.0522d9e0@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 08:33:55 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: DNS Tools - Zone File Creation In-Reply-To: <002501c07874$f7c07aa0$978e1ccb@r2d2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I manage all my zones manually and don't mind. I do a search and replace in >vi. However, I have to create a number of zone files all in one go and was >wondering if anyone has any scripts to create the zone files. If you use the $INCLUDE of BIND8, you can greatly simplify the zone files and errors and maintenance. And if you do a lot of virtual www/ftp/smtp hosting where many domains have the same ip's (A records) for their www/ftp services and you have one or two mail servers with virtual mail hosts, then you can often use just one zone file for any number of separate domains. I helped one ISP upgrade 150 zones from W2K DNS to BIND8, and with the above techniques, I reduced his zone files to just 4. No enough of zone files bothering to develop a script for. Adding a new zone for him was just duplicating a line in his named.conf with no modification of the common zone file. Len http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : Binary for ISC BIND 8.2.3 T9B for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message