From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 4 7:42:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mout1.freenet.de (mout1.freenet.de [194.97.50.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF6437B718 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 07:42:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netchild@leidinger.net) Received: from [194.97.50.144] (helo=mx1.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14ZaeW-0002ZR-00; Sun, 04 Mar 2001 16:42:32 +0100 Received: from b8060.pppool.de ([213.7.128.96] helo=Magelan.Leidinger.net) by mx1.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14ZaeN-0001aI-00; Sun, 04 Mar 2001 16:42:31 +0100 Received: from Leidinger.net (netchild@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Magelan.Leidinger.net (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f24F8TZ12069; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 16:08:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from netchild@Leidinger.net) Message-Id: <200103041508.f24F8TZ12069@Magelan.Leidinger.net> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 16:08:28 +0100 (CET) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: Sendmail Question To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu Cc: Jamie Heckford , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010303151309.M89396@rfx-216-196-73-168.users.reflex> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 3 Mar, Crist J. Clark wrote: > In /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/RELEASE_NOTES, > > 8.10.0/8.10.0 2000/03/01 > . > . > . > MAIL.LOCAL: Will not be installed setuid root. To use mail.local > as local delivery agent without LMTP mode, use > MODIFY_MAILER_FLAGS(`LOCAL', `+S') > to set the S flag. Or use FEATURE(local_lmtp) if it doesn't hurt you. Bye, Alexander. -- 0 and 1. Now what could be so hard about that? http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 1:16:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from marvin.trident-uk.co.uk (mail.trident-uk.co.uk [195.166.16.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928BA37B719 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 01:16:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk) Received: from smtp.trident-uk.co.uk (psi-gateway.psi-domain.co.uk [194.207.93.63]) by marvin.trident-uk.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f259EmG60014; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:14:49 GMT Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:14:24 +0000 From: Jamie Heckford To: Chris BeHanna Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail Question Message-ID: <20010305091424.A5921@storm.psi-domain.co.uk> Reply-To: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk References: <20010303143635.M3359@storm.psi-domain.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: ; from behanna@zbzoom.net on Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 17:56:24 +0000 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.1.1 Lines: 30 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2001.03.03 17:56 Chris BeHanna wrote: > On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Jamie Heckford wrote: > > > Quick update, I just set mail.local SUID. > > Why? It works just fine with mode 555. Setting the Sendmail binary to SUID worked, having it in mode 555 did not (see the previous error message) > > > Just wondering, what was the reason for this? Will a > > security vunrability arisin from setting mail.local > > SUID? > > There are always potential vulnerabilities with setuid binaries. > The reduction of setuid binaries to the barest minimum is a good thing. > > -- > Chris BeHanna > Software Engineer (Remove "bogus" before responding.) > behanna@bogus.zbzoom.net > I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 4:36:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.149.48.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9931937B71B for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 04:36:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhs@jhs.muc.de) Received: (qmail 23895 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2001 12:36:48 -0000 Received: from jhs.muc.de (193.149.49.84) by slarti.muc.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2001 12:36:48 -0000 Received: from park.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f24JgTu08084; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:42:29 GMT (envelope-from jhs@park.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200103041942.f24JgTu08084@jhs.muc.de> To: Andrew.Karjagin@newmail.ru Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UPS daemon for APC Smart In-Reply-To: Message from "Andrew Karjagin" of "Fri, 02 Mar 2001 17:46:02 +0300." <20010302144602.8615.qmail@grif0.newmail.ru> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 20:42:29 +0100 From: "Julian Stacey Jhs@jhs.muc.de" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Andrew Karjagin" wrote: > Hello! > I use FreeBSD 4.2. > What can I use for Smart UPS APC 620 to control/halt system > if voltage is down? UPSD in packages is badly documented and > print a parse error of upsd.conf. Is there anywhere an > alternative to it? What are you using? > Thank you! I use ports/sysutils/nut ... 'cos of nice multi host net stuff. It works with my APC, don't know about your 620 though. Julian - Julian Stacey Unix Consultant - Munich Germany http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/ Considering Linux ? Try FreeBSD with 4500 packages ! Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Kau/Schnupftabak probieren ! Vintage Computer Fest Europa 28&9 Apr 2001 http://www.vintage.org/vcfe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 4:37: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.149.48.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A05C37B71A for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 04:37:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhs@jhs.muc.de) Received: (qmail 23929 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2001 12:36:56 -0000 Received: from jhs.muc.de (193.149.49.84) by slarti.muc.de with SMTP; 5 Mar 2001 12:36:56 -0000 Received: from park.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f24JYAu08057; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 19:34:10 GMT (envelope-from jhs@park.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200103041934.f24JYAu08057@jhs.muc.de> To: nino@inode.at Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dead link problems (with crossover cable) From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd - Munich Unix & Internet consultancy X-Web: http://www.jhs.muc.de http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Mar 2001 21:07:14 +0100." <20010302210714.A31469@TK147108.geizhals.at> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2001 20:34:10 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, "Marinos J . Yannikos" wrote: > I seem to have a non-reproducible but reoccurring problem: > > Host A: single CPU, Intel 443GX+ board with D-Link DFE-530TX ('vr') > Runs FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE > Has a Mylex ExtremeRAID 1100, no other PCI cards. > > Host B: SMP system, dual Intel 82557 on-board ethernet > SuSE Linux 7.0 > > They are connected with a crossover cable, both ends set to 100mbps > full-duplex. Mode Byte maybe ? I had back-to-back direct wired FBSD-3.4 systems (with 3com cards) last summer that sometimes started in the wrong mode, (admittedly, not in mid use like you). I guessed mine was a 10/100 thing, & by asserting the media byte (man xl to see one example of a `media' byte, but better see manual for your card), the problem went away. Presumably either end forces a bandwidth re-evaluation at least at every reboot/reset if not more often, so it's probably worth forcing the media asertion byte if available, rather than trusting to any auto-negotiation of 10/100/full/half etc. I recall for top speed, all 8 wires need to exist, but for slower modes less wires will do ? If you want to investigate what different 100M modes either end might be attempting, here's clues from my notes in: http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/standards/rs232.v24 Halsall Book: 100Base4T=UTP=Unshielded Twisted pair Cat3 33.3Mbps/pair 100BaseX= STP= Shielded Twisted pair Cat5 http://margo.student.utwente.nl/stefan/hwb/hwb.html http://www.obbit.se/~mike/wordlist.htm#patchcord It's been a while since I looked at 100 modes, & I've got a cold, so no more energy to check things, but hope some of the above might help, Good Luck. Julian - Julian Stacey Unix Consultant - Munich Germany http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/ Considering Linux ? Try FreeBSD with 4500 packages ! Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Kau/Schnupftabak probieren ! Vintage Computer Fest Europa 28&9 Apr 2001 http://www.vintage.org/vcfe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 6:29: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from topperwein.dyndns.org (acs-24-154-28-34.zoominternet.net [24.154.28.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3F437B718 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 06:28:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Received: from browning.pennasoft.com (browning [192.168.168.11]) by topperwein.dyndns.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f25ER2J98874 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:27:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:27:06 -0500 (EST) From: Chris BeHanna Reply-To: Chris BeHanna To: Subject: Re: Sendmail Question In-Reply-To: <20010305091424.A5921@storm.psi-domain.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Jamie Heckford wrote: > On 2001.03.03 17:56 Chris BeHanna wrote: > > On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Jamie Heckford wrote: > > > > > Quick update, I just set mail.local SUID. > > > > Why? It works just fine with mode 555. > > Setting the Sendmail binary to SUID worked, having > it in mode 555 did not (see the previous error message) IMHO, this means you have something else wrong. I do not have mail.local running setuid here, and it works just fine. Sendmail is running as root, however, and therefore executes mail.local as root. -- Chris BeHanna Software Engineer (Remove "bogus" before responding.) behanna@bogus.zbzoom.net I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 7:29:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hitline.ch (mail.omdcd.de [195.129.74.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7225937B719 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 07:29:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from micheal@com4u.ch) Received: from [195.129.74.2] (account micheal@com4u.ch HELO [10.10.14.46]) by hitline.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4) with ESMTP id 3683358 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 05 Mar 2001 15:29:42 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: micheal%com4u.ch@mail.com4u.ch Message-Id: Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 15:29:39 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Michael O Shea Subject: named errors Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, MY /var/log/messages file is filling up with lines like, Mar 5 15:15:11 ns2 named[23373]: internal_send: Host is down Mar 5 15:15:11 ns2 named[23373]: socket.c:921: unexpected error: Mar 5 15:15:11 ns2 named[23373]: internal_send: Host is down Mar 5 15:15:12 ns2 named[23373]: socket.c:921: unexpected error: Running Bind 9.0.1. Anybody having the same problems ? It is also very slow doing Zone Xfers from the master NS. Any help appreciated. -- Micheal O Shea ----------------------------------------------------- com-o-tronic ag Micheal O Shea, Systems Engineer Gewerbepark CH-5506 M=E4genwil E-Mail micheal@com4u.ch Voice: +41 62 887 3734 =46ax: +41 62 896 1133 Internet: http://www.com4u.ch http://www.ehitline.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 9:36:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aspenworks.com (aspenworks.com [192.94.236.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C08337B718 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:35:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Received: from ibmxeon (matrix.aspenworks.com [216.38.199.82]) by aspenworks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA29043 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:35:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Message-ID: <003501c0a59a$72e21660$1900a8c0@aspenworks.com> From: "alex huppenthal" To: References: <200103041934.f24JYAu08057@jhs.muc.de> Subject: ATM and FreeBSD 4.2 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 10:33:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I must admit it's pretty cool to be working with FreeBSD and ATM. The article in daemon news was terrific and it appears that ATM / Forerunner PCI card is well supported in 3.5 FreeBSD. 4.2 current does not appear to support the card. Perhaps because of the buffer handling re-write? See the end of this email for details of how it is broken. I'm in a minor pickle, since I'd like to use the drivers for the Dell PERC which are in the FreeBSD 4.2 current OS, and the HARP 3.0 Fore ATM drivers from FreeBSD 4.2. I've now pretty much exhausted the FreeBSD Mail archives, the /examples/atm, the HARP site, and general web research. Seems like 4.2 or 5, with ATM support would be cool. I'm willing to work with whomever would like to make this combination work. I've recently read in the Email archives that people have been experimenting with fixing the driver, but no single fix appears to make thing work. How it's broken: I have a complete circuit made with PVC's VPI 0 and VCI 200 (looks like only VPI zero is supported, in case you are working your end) 4.2-current FreeBSD system OC3 Fore PCA200E connected to PSAX packetstar switch Carrier ATM cloud ForeRunner Switch Lucent Access Point 1000 Cell tests from the PSAX show cells arriving at the AP-1000. Ping tests from the FreeBSD 4.2 result in PDU's arriving at the far end AP-1000. Cell monitors show cells arriving at the PSAX from the AP-1000 4.2 indicates it isn't receiving any octets or PDUs. The receiver portion of things appears to broken in 4.2 FreeBSD with the hfa0 Fore PCA-200E OC3 adapter, the HARP 3.0 code using the sigpvc or uni3.1 signalling manager. ----- oh, please oh, please, don't send me over to the Linux ATM camp. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 9:38:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329FC37B718 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:38:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from sv.Go2France.com (sv.meiway.com [212.73.210.79]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 9AA9916B1F for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:49:43 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010305183447.00b09520@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 18:35:47 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: named errors In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Mar 5 15:15:11 ns2 named[23373]: internal_send: Host is down >Mar 5 15:15:11 ns2 named[23373]: socket.c:921: unexpected error: >Mar 5 15:15:11 ns2 named[23373]: internal_send: Host is down >Mar 5 15:15:12 ns2 named[23373]: socket.c:921: unexpected error: > >Running Bind 9.0.1. Anybody having the same problems ? >It is also very slow doing Zone Xfers from the master NS. >Any help appreciated. From what I see in the ISC list, you should up to 9.1.1 RC whatever. Lotsa bugs fixed since 9.0 Len http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : Binary for ISC BIND 8.2.3 for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 9:43:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8CB37B71A for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:43:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from so@server.i-clue.de) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id TAA03796; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:49:37 +0100 Message-ID: <3AA3D07E.E0487684@i-clue.de> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 18:44:30 +0100 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Martin Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bad password file after upgrade crash References: <3AA18E5C.797E4CA3@buckhorn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bob Martin schrieb: > > While doing a binary upgrade from 3.3-Stable to 4.2-Release, we crashed > (broken pipe) > We restored the system from tape, but now it doesn't recognize any > passwords. > > We've tried blowing away the db files and running pwd_mkdb, to no avail. > Any suggestions would be more than welcome. Check your master.passwd encryption scheme matches the libraries. If the password field reads starts with $1$, it is MD5 encrypted, otherwise, it's DES encrypted. Makle sure your new system has the appropriate libraries. HTH -Christoph Sold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 17:24:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from equinox.datasyrge.net (ool-18ba2d21.dyn.optonline.net [24.186.45.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AA737B718 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:24:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jslivko@datasyrge.net) Received: from localhost (jslivko@localhost) by equinox.datasyrge.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14312 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:26:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:26:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Slivko" To: FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Miagrating from Red Hat Linux to FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, I am wondering if it is possible to miagrate from a Red Hat 6.2 (Intel) machine to FreeBSD without having to redo all the configuration files, etc. or is that something that I cannot avoid? If you have any information as to how to do this, aside from what is in the Handbook, it would be most appreciated. Thanks. -- Jonathan M. Slivko -- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Jonathan M. Slivko | | Global IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks | | Webpage: http://jslivko.datasyrge.net/ | | | |"Microsoft, is that some kind of toilet paper? | |"FreeeBSD: The Power to Serve -- www.freebsd.org" | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 17:34:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A2237B718 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:34:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from so@server.i-clue.de) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id DAA06049; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 03:40:36 +0100 Message-ID: <3AA43EE1.96C68C62@i-clue.de> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 02:35:29 +0100 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jonathan M. Slivko" Cc: FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Re: Miagrating from Red Hat Linux to FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jonathan M. Slivko" schrieb: > > Hello all, > > I am wondering if it is possible to miagrate from a Red Hat 6.2 > (Intel) machine to FreeBSD without having to redo all the configuration > files, etc. or is that something that I cannot avoid? If you have any > information as to how to do this, aside from what is in the Handbook, it > would be most appreciated. User accounts may be migrated without problems. Applications depend. Apache or Perl jobs are easy, everything else may come in between easy and impossible. Be a littel bit more specifc ;) HTH -Christoph Sold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 17:40: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from equinox.datasyrge.net (ool-18ba2d21.dyn.optonline.net [24.186.45.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C109F37B719 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:39:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jslivko@datasyrge.net) Received: from localhost (jslivko@localhost) by equinox.datasyrge.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14356; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:42:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:42:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Slivko" To: Christoph Sold Cc: FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Re: Miagrating from Red Hat Linux to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3AA43EE1.96C68C62@i-clue.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sendmail and all of those other utilities that come preloaded, etc. is what i'm talking about, i'm looking for the way to go to FreeBSD while minimizing on downtime from my server. -- Jonathan M. Slivko On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Christoph Sold wrote: > > > "Jonathan M. Slivko" schrieb: > > > > Hello all, > > > > I am wondering if it is possible to miagrate from a Red Hat 6.2 > > (Intel) machine to FreeBSD without having to redo all the configuration > > files, etc. or is that something that I cannot avoid? If you have any > > information as to how to do this, aside from what is in the Handbook, it > > would be most appreciated. > > User accounts may be migrated without problems. Applications depend. > Apache or Perl jobs are easy, everything else may come in between easy > and impossible. Be a littel bit more specifc ;) > > HTH > -Christoph Sold > -- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Jonathan M. Slivko | | Global IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks | | Webpage: http://jslivko.datasyrge.net/ | | | |"Microsoft, is that some kind of toilet paper? | |"FreeeBSD: The Power to Serve -- www.freebsd.org" | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 17:53:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (ftp.golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14EAF37B718 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:53:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaltorak@quake.com.au) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AB6169.63.5724aadf) with ESMTP id aemaaaaa for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:53:11 +1100 Message-ID: <3AA443B1.526CEAA4@quake.com.au> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 12:56:01 +1100 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jonathan M. Slivko" Cc: Christoph Sold , FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Re: Miagrating from Red Hat Linux to FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jonathan M. Slivko" wrote: > > Sendmail and all of those other utilities that come preloaded, etc. is > what i'm talking about, i'm looking for the way to go to FreeBSD while > minimizing on downtime from my server. -- Jonathan M. Slivko If the versions are the same and/or the config file syntax is the same between the version then there is no reason you cant use the same files on FreeBSD, so long as you copy them to the right places... Eg. for DNS, you can put your old zone files in /etc/namedb/ and they will still work the same... Your going to have to setup some things, like your /etc/rc.conf and other config files... It would be a lot easier to tell you if you specified EXACTLY what is was you wanted to migrate... Good Luck! Kal. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 18: 1:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from orion.buckhorn.net (orion.buckhorn.net [63.151.7.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4ED37B71A for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:01:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bob@buckhorn.net) Received: from buckhorn.net (localhost.buckhorn.net.net [127.0.0.1]) by orion.buckhorn.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2621d200503 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:01:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob@buckhorn.net) Message-ID: <3AA44503.F92CBEBC@buckhorn.net> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 20:01:39 -0600 From: Bob Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: Miagrating from Red Hat Linux to FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jonathan M. Slivko" wrote: > > Sendmail and all of those other utilities that come preloaded, etc. is > what i'm talking about, i'm looking for the way to go to FreeBSD while > minimizing on downtime from my server. -- Jonathan M. Slivko > Most "bolt on" programs, like BIND, MySQL, Apache, and ProFTPd have configuration files that can easily be moved from one system to another. All of the sendmail files except sendmail.cf (and the db files) are also system independant. You can diff the sendmail.cf's, so that should also be pretty trivial. I'm not really up on Linux password files, so I suggest you dig a little on that. I do know that it's just a matter of reorganizing most other Unicies password file to import them (And making sure that you use the same encryption method) Some of the more "standardized" system files will transfer, like /etc/hosts, and resolv.conf. System specific stuff like firewalls will have to be recreated. Good Luck! Bob Martin -- As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. -- Albert Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 18: 2:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ohm.physics.purdue.edu (ohm.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.146.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB14637B72A for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:02:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@physics.purdue.edu) Received: (from will@localhost) by ohm.physics.purdue.edu (8.11.2/8.9.3) id f26228l37586; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:02:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from will@physics.purdue.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: ohm.physics.purdue.edu: will set sender to will@physics.purdue.edu using -f Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:02:08 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: "Jonathan M. Slivko" Cc: Christoph Sold , FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Re: Miagrating from Red Hat Linux to FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010305210208.Q31975@ohm.physics.purdue.edu> Reply-To: Will Andrews Mail-Followup-To: Will Andrews , "Jonathan M. Slivko" , Christoph Sold , FreeBSD ISP Mailing List References: <3AA43EE1.96C68C62@i-clue.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lzM1j1Hh4qIUNijn" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jslivko@datasyrge.net on Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 08:42:29PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --lzM1j1Hh4qIUNijn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 08:42:29PM -0500, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > Sendmail and all of those other utilities that come preloaded, etc. is > what i'm talking about, i'm looking for the way to go to FreeBSD while > minimizing on downtime from my server. -- Jonathan M. Slivko Bah. It's your server, you do the job. Obviously, you aren't going to give people much information about it. > | Global IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks | You have my pity. --=20 wca, long-past former ircop/admin --lzM1j1Hh4qIUNijn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.3 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6pEUgF47idPgWcsURAqX5AJ4nUxSzWJIV0L5q9dJippEpLSWBsACeOVxt eGGHs94xjNhS9fp4ibNw66A= =SLmY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lzM1j1Hh4qIUNijn-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 18: 7:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from anaconda.acceleratedweb.net (anaconda.acceleratedweb.net [209.51.164.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C6EF37B719 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:07:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 10836 invoked by uid 106); 6 Mar 2001 02:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sharky) (66.65.36.21) by anaconda.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 6 Mar 2001 02:16:05 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "FreeBSD ISP Mailing List" , "Jonathan M. Slivko" Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 21:10:59 -0500 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Miagrating from Red Hat Linux to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20010306020727.0C6EF37B719@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org sounds like you don't know much about FreeBSD. I strongly suggest to install and learn it first :-) There is no one program that will help you migrate from linux to freebsd, not to mention redhat linux. -Simon On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:26:54 -0500 (EST), Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: >Hello all, > >I am wondering if it is possible to miagrate from a Red Hat 6.2 >(Intel) machine to FreeBSD without having to redo all the configuration >files, etc. or is that something that I cannot avoid? If you have any >information as to how to do this, aside from what is in the Handbook, it >would be most appreciated. Thanks. -- Jonathan M. Slivko > >-- >|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| >| Jonathan M. Slivko | >| Global IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks | >| Webpage: http://jslivko.datasyrge.net/ | >| | >|"Microsoft, is that some kind of toilet paper? | >|"FreeeBSD: The Power to Serve -- www.freebsd.org" | >|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 18:13:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from equinox.datasyrge.net (ool-18ba2d21.dyn.optonline.net [24.186.45.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0424D37B71A for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:13:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jslivko@datasyrge.net) Received: from localhost (jslivko@localhost) by equinox.datasyrge.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01005; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:17:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:17:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Slivko" To: Simon Cc: FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Re: Miagrating from Red Hat Linux to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <200103060212.VAA00875@equinox.datasyrge.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually, I happen to know quite a bit about FreeBSD. However, I am not looking for a magic cure to convert files, etc. I am just wondering if it's possible if I just copy the files onto a disk and put them back in their right places, will it work flawlessly. Also, would the esame approach work for stored e-mail, etc? On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Simon wrote: > sounds like you don't know much about FreeBSD. I strongly suggest to install and learn it first :-) There is no one program > that will help you migrate from linux to freebsd, not to mention redhat linux. > > -Simon > > On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:26:54 -0500 (EST), Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > > >Hello all, > > > >I am wondering if it is possible to miagrate from a Red Hat 6.2 > >(Intel) machine to FreeBSD without having to redo all the configuration > >files, etc. or is that something that I cannot avoid? If you have any > >information as to how to do this, aside from what is in the Handbook, it > >would be most appreciated. Thanks. -- Jonathan M. Slivko > > > >-- > >|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| > >| Jonathan M. Slivko | > >| Global IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks | > >| Webpage: http://jslivko.datasyrge.net/ | > >| | > >|"Microsoft, is that some kind of toilet paper? | > >|"FreeeBSD: The Power to Serve -- www.freebsd.org" | > >|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > -- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Jonathan M. Slivko | | Global IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks | | Webpage: http://jslivko.datasyrge.net/ | | | |"Microsoft, is that some kind of toilet paper? | |"FreeeBSD: The Power to Serve -- www.freebsd.org" | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 18:16:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from anaconda.acceleratedweb.net (anaconda.acceleratedweb.net [209.51.164.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 84F1137B718 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:16:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 11837 invoked by uid 106); 6 Mar 2001 02:25:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sharky) (66.65.36.21) by anaconda.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 6 Mar 2001 02:25:30 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "Jonathan M. Slivko" Cc: "FreeBSD ISP Mailing List" Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 21:20:24 -0500 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Miagrating from Red Hat Linux to FreeBSD Message-Id: <20010306021651.84F1137B718@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As you were told already, if daemon versions are the same and you put the config files in the right place, everything should work just fine ;-) -Simon On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:17:51 -0500 (EST), Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: >Actually, I happen to know quite a bit about FreeBSD. However, I am not >looking for a magic cure to convert files, etc. I am just wondering if >it's possible if I just copy the files onto a disk and put them back in >their right places, will it work flawlessly. Also, would the esame >approach work for stored e-mail, etc? > >On Mon, 5 Mar 2001, Simon wrote: > >> sounds like you don't know much about FreeBSD. I strongly suggest to install and learn it first :-) There is no one program >> that will help you migrate from linux to freebsd, not to mention redhat linux. >> >> -Simon >> >> On Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:26:54 -0500 (EST), Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: >> >> >Hello all, >> > >> >I am wondering if it is possible to miagrate from a Red Hat 6.2 >> >(Intel) machine to FreeBSD without having to redo all the configuration >> >files, etc. or is that something that I cannot avoid? If you have any >> >information as to how to do this, aside from what is in the Handbook, it >> >would be most appreciated. Thanks. -- Jonathan M. Slivko >> > >> >-- >> >|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| >> >| Jonathan M. Slivko | >> >| Global IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks | >> >| Webpage: http://jslivko.datasyrge.net/ | >> >| | >> >|"Microsoft, is that some kind of toilet paper? | >> >|"FreeeBSD: The Power to Serve -- www.freebsd.org" | >> >|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| >> > >> > >> >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >> > >> >> >> > >-- >|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| >| Jonathan M. Slivko | >| Global IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks | >| Webpage: http://jslivko.datasyrge.net/ | >| | >|"Microsoft, is that some kind of toilet paper? | >|"FreeeBSD: The Power to Serve -- www.freebsd.org" | >|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 18:20:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from orion.buckhorn.net (orion.buckhorn.net [63.151.7.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F5E37B718 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:20:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bob@buckhorn.net) Received: from buckhorn.net (localhost.buckhorn.net.net [127.0.0.1]) by orion.buckhorn.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f262KT200650; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 20:20:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bob@buckhorn.net) Message-ID: <3AA4496D.D25A2ACD@buckhorn.net> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 20:20:29 -0600 From: Bob Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jonathan M. Slivko" Cc: FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Re: Miagrating from Red Hat Linux to FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jonathan M. Slivko" wrote: > > Actually, I happen to know quite a bit about FreeBSD. However, I am not > looking for a magic cure to convert files, etc. I am just wondering if > it's possible if I just copy the files onto a disk and put them back in > their right places, will it work flawlessly. Also, would the esame > approach work for stored e-mail, etc? Stored e-mail will transfer just fine, but be very careful about user id/group settings. That's the tricky part. As someone else has alread mentioned, as long as you don't change versions, most add on software could care less about the OS. BIND 8.2.3 files are exactly the same on Linux, xBSD, Solaris and NT. The only sendmail file that's system dependant is sendmail.cf. Bob -- As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. -- Albert Einstein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 5 19: 6:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (ftp.golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739FE37B718 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:06:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaltorak@quake.com.au) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AB6169.63.5724aadf) with ESMTP id sfmaaaaa for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:06:03 +1100 Message-ID: <3AA454C5.B3A69DD@quake.com.au> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 14:08:53 +1100 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jonathan M. Slivko" Cc: FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Re: Miagrating from Red Hat Linux to FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am sorry for forwarding your mail in my previous message to the isp list, without first obtaining your permission... Since it is now illegal for me to forward e-mail without written permission of its author in Australia under the "Digital Agenda Act" Could you please grand me permission to do so or I may face up to 5 years in prison and a $60,000 fine... Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 6 8:12: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com (cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com [24.13.23.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C11137B719 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:12:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bri@sonicboom.org) Received: from 98 (cx175057-b.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com [24.13.23.147]) by cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f26GArT01487; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:10:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bri@sonicboom.org) Message-ID: <029601c0a657$e3a0b6a0$3324200a@home.sonicboom.org> From: "Brian" To: , "Jonathan M. Slivko" Cc: "FreeBSD ISP Mailing List" References: <3AA43EE1.96C68C62@i-clue.de> Subject: Re: Miagrating from Red Hat Linux to FreeBSD Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:09:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD has Linux compatibility as an option, so I suspect many apps will work. System startup files are of course different. Bri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christoph Sold" To: "Jonathan M. Slivko" Cc: "FreeBSD ISP Mailing List" Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Miagrating from Red Hat Linux to FreeBSD > > > "Jonathan M. Slivko" schrieb: > > > > Hello all, > > > > I am wondering if it is possible to miagrate from a Red Hat 6.2 > > (Intel) machine to FreeBSD without having to redo all the configuration > > files, etc. or is that something that I cannot avoid? If you have any > > information as to how to do this, aside from what is in the Handbook, it > > would be most appreciated. > > User accounts may be migrated without problems. Applications depend. > Apache or Perl jobs are easy, everything else may come in between easy > and impossible. Be a littel bit more specifc ;) > > HTH > -Christoph Sold > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 6 8:12:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mcnet.ch (mail.mcnet.ch [193.5.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B400E37B718 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:12:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benoit.rossier@mcnet.ch) Received: from brossier.mcnet.ch ([193.5.166.80]) by mail.mcnet.ch (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ETG01108; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 17:12:10 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010306170721.032817b0@mail.mcnet.ch> X-Sender: brossier@mail.mcnet.ch X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 17:11:51 +0100 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Benoit Rossier Subject: tftpd upload question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I would like to know how I can setup tftpd to accept upload with new files? I want that tftpd create the file on the server intead of saying that the file doesn't exist. Has anyone found a solution? thanks, ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 6 8:16:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from relay.tecc.co.uk (luggage.tecc.co.uk [193.128.6.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2EEAD37B718 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 08:16:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andy@tecc.co.uk) Received: from fw-smtp.tecc.co.uk [195.217.37.39] by relay.tecc.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 14aK8J-0000or-00; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:16:19 +0000 Received: from [195.217.37.155] (helo=southampton) by fw-smtp.tecc.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 14aK6I-0005eQ-00; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:14:14 +0000 From: "Andy [TECC NOPS]" To: "Benoit Rossier" , Subject: RE: tftpd upload question Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 16:20:45 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010306170721.032817b0@mail.mcnet.ch> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yeah, in the past I have had to create the upload file on the server first by cp /dev/null /tftpboot/filename and set it's perm before the upload. Anyone know a better solution? Andy > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Benoit Rossier > Sent: 06 March 2001 16:12 > To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: tftpd upload question > > > Hi, > > I would like to know how I can setup tftpd to > accept upload with new files? I want that tftpd > create the file on the server intead of saying > that the file doesn't exist. Has anyone found a > solution? > > thanks, > ben > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 6 9: 3:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.mail.nl.demon.net (hermes.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.72.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FDE37B72E for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:03:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stanley@nl.demon.net) Received: from westlands.noc.nl.demon.net ([194.159.72.127]) by hermes.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14aKrx-0008j9-00; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 18:03:29 +0100 Received: from stanley by westlands.noc.nl.demon.net with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14aKrx-000Oz8-00; Tue, 06 Mar 2001 18:03:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 18:03:29 +0100 From: Stanley Westerveld To: "Andy [TECC NOPS]" Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tftpd upload question Message-ID: <20010306180329.D94782@westlands.noc.nl.demon.net> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010306170721.032817b0@mail.mcnet.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: ; from andy@tecc.co.uk on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 04:20:45PM -0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 04:20:45PM -0000, Andy [TECC NOPS] wrote: > Yeah, in the past I have had to create > the upload file on the server first > by cp /dev/null /tftpboot/filename > and set it's perm before the upload. > Anyone know a better solution? cp /dev/null /tftpboot/filename is a few more key strokes than what I'd prefer. Why not simply use "touch filename" ? As for the permissions; it's tftp, with the T for trivial. From the manpages: BUGS Because there is no user-login or validation within the TFTP protocol, the remote site will probably have some sort of file-access restrictions in place. The exact methods are specific to each site and therefore difficult to document here. Let's simply be happy with the fact that the tftp command makes you create the file and set the permissions manualy. Some day, it'll save you from overwriting some essential configuration file.... Stanley -- "There is no spoon" stanley@nl.demon.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 6 9: 9: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD3937B718 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:09:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14aKwo-0003fu-00; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:08:30 -0800 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:08:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Benoit Rossier Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tftpd upload question In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010306170721.032817b0@mail.mcnet.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Benoit Rossier wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to know how I can setup tftpd to > accept upload with new files? I want that tftpd > create the file on the server intead of saying > that the file doesn't exist. Has anyone found a > solution? > > thanks, > ben I've set this up before. It was very straightforward. If you run tftpd with "-s", the directory you are trying to upload to must be writable by nobody. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 6 11:57:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from horsey.gshapiro.net (horsey.gshapiro.net [209.220.147.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6400A37B718 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:57:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gshapiro@gshapiro.net) Received: (from gshapiro@localhost) by horsey.gshapiro.net (8.12.0.Beta3/8.12.0.Beta3) id f26JvnVQ094380; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:57:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15013.16701.398129.55710@horsey.gshapiro.net> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:57:49 -0800 From: Gregory Neil Shapiro To: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail Question In-Reply-To: <20010303143635.M3359@storm.psi-domain.co.uk> References: <20010303142510.K3359@storm.psi-domain.co.uk> <20010303143635.M3359@storm.psi-domain.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.2 (beta42) "Poseidon" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org heckfordj> Quick update, I just set mail.local SUID. heckfordj> I noticed from reading /usr/src/UPDATING that this heckfordj> was disabled (I built the sendmail binary and tools heckfordj> myself) heckfordj> Just wondering, what was the reason for this? Will a heckfordj> security vunrability arisin from setting mail.local heckfordj> SUID? No, it is ok to set mail.local to be set-user-id. It was removed as it is better to have as few set-user-id programs on the filesystem as possible. sendmail can run mail.local as root using the F=S mailer flag. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 6 12:17:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from equinox.datasyrge.net (ool-18ba2d21.dyn.optonline.net [24.186.45.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AB137B718 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:17:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jslivko@datasyrge.net) Received: from localhost (jslivko@localhost) by equinox.datasyrge.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13574; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:22:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 15:22:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Slivko" To: Kal Torak Cc: FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Subject: Re: Miagrating from Red Hat Linux to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3AA454C5.B3A69DD@quake.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You have my permission to do so. -- Jonathan M. Slivko On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Kal Torak wrote: > I am sorry for forwarding your mail in my previous message to > the isp list, without first obtaining your permission... > > Since it is now illegal for me to forward e-mail without written > permission of its author in Australia under the "Digital Agenda Act" > Could you please grand me permission to do so or I may face up to > 5 years in prison and a $60,000 fine... > > Thanks! > -- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Jonathan M. Slivko | | Global IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks | | Webpage: http://jslivko.datasyrge.net/ | | | |"Microsoft, is that some kind of toilet paper? | |"FreeeBSD: The Power to Serve -- www.freebsd.org" | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 6 12:19: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gumby.citytel.net (gumby.rupert.net [204.244.98.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA8637B718 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:18:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kwoody@citytel.net) Received: from gumby.rupert.net (kwoody@gumby.rupert.net [204.244.98.46]) by gumby.citytel.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f26KIqN07699; Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:18:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:18:52 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Woodworth To: Benoit Rossier Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tftpd upload question In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010306170721.032817b0@mail.mcnet.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Benoit Rossier wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I would like to know how I can setup tftpd to >>accept upload with new files? I want that tftpd >>create the file on the server intead of saying >>that the file doesn't exist. Has anyone found a >>solution? Ive had to touch the file first to create it, then set the perms on it manually. 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NakedWife arrives as an e-mail with the following:

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Body: My wife never look like that :)
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Attached: NakedWife.exe

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Figure A: NakedWife pretends to load a Flash movie.


Source: Central Command

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--------------A51CEEEDA3C89085DE2A98A4-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 7 1:37:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mcnet.ch (mail.mcnet.ch [193.5.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B521337B718 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 01:37:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benoit.rossier@mcnet.ch) Received: from brossier.mcnet.ch ([193.5.166.80]) by mail.mcnet.ch (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ETG13450; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:36:53 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010307103543.02eefde0@mail.mcnet.ch> X-Sender: brossier@mail.mcnet.ch X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 10:36:34 +0100 To: Tom Samplonius From: Benoit Rossier Subject: Re: tftpd upload question Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010306170721.032817b0@mail.mcnet.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Hi, > > > > I would like to know how I can setup tftpd to > > accept upload with new files? I want that tftpd > > create the file on the server intead of saying > > that the file doesn't exist. Has anyone found a > > solution? > > > > thanks, > > ben > > I've set this up before. It was very straightforward. If you run tftpd >with "-s", the directory you are trying to upload to must be writable by >nobody. I tried that but it doesn't works... :-( any other suggestions? ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 7 7:54:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from crdras.crd.ge.COM (crdras.crd.GE.COM [192.35.44.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950D137B71A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 07:54:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lapinski@crd.ge.com) Received: from crdras.crd.ge.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crdras.crd.ge.COM (18xxx/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12296 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from crdns.crd.ge.com (crdns [3.1.7.107]) by crdras.crd.ge.COM (25/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12292; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from exc01crdge.crd.ge.com (exc01crdge.crd.ge.com [3.1.116.47]) by crdns.crd.ge.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22044; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by exc01crdge.crd.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:54:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Lapinski, Michael (CRD)" To: "'Benoit Rossier'" , Tom Samplonius Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: tftpd upload question Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 10:54:26 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would recommend modifying the TFTPD source code to do what you want. Its implementation is fairly trivial and adding the feature to create a file that doesnt exist(instead of giving an error) should be a few lines of code. You should note doing so will allow anyone to create any size files on your tftp server. -mtl -----Original Message----- From: Benoit Rossier [mailto:benoit.rossier@mcnet.ch] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 4:37 AM To: Tom Samplonius Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tftpd upload question > > Hi, > > > > I would like to know how I can setup tftpd to > > accept upload with new files? I want that tftpd > > create the file on the server intead of saying > > that the file doesn't exist. Has anyone found a > > solution? > > > > thanks, > > ben > > I've set this up before. It was very straightforward. If you run tftpd >with "-s", the directory you are trying to upload to must be writable by >nobody. I tried that but it doesn't works... :-( any other suggestions? ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 7 18:53:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.corpex.de (mileena.corpex.de [213.61.99.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F8837B71A for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 18:53:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from philipp@problemchen.de) Received: from saotome.staff.corpex.de ([213.61.99.34] helo=saotome) by mail.corpex.de with smtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 14aq7i-0007rM-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 03:25:50 +0100 From: "Philipp Gimm" To: Subject: large scale exim/mail system Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 03:25:49 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, we happened to slip into a situation (which I personally don't really like, though it's actually an interesting challenge) - however, here we are - and I know, that this is only 1/2 correct place to ask for (and also been looking the archives up and down...). Anyways: We have to get a mail environment up and running ASAP. * currently 600.000 emails per day * 200.000 users/email addresses, single domain environment * the system must be scalable to support 800.000 users * authentication/lookup via some sort of db (not decided which yet) - I personally feel Exim to be the right decision on the SMTP side of things. - I don't really feel comfortable with the POP3 side yet. Qpopper? Is Qpopper LX really that much better? However, Qpopper is the only POP3 server I can *really* talk about... to get back to topic: I'm completly lost with the Hardware thingy... (ever talked to a salesman, asking for some sort of advice from that company, and all he comes up with is "no problem, Sun Server, Storage System, Giga-everything. ...hrm, lets say 8.000.000 US$. when do you want to sign?") grrrr..... Does anyone have any experience with this, or have any hints, where to look? Any sorts of hints are more than welcome... and I'd probably also pay for it... (no, I wouldn't the budget is too low ;) ) well, obviously I'd prefer the *free* option ;) so... all sorts of hints and advice is very, very welcome! Thanks very much in advance for your help! Regards, Philipp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 7 19:48:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from marble.fbcc.com (ns2.fbcc.com [216.54.252.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 63E8337B718 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 19:48:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@jimking.net) Received: (qmail 5764 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2001 03:57:40 -0000 Received: from 216-52-255-8.fbcc.com (HELO bluto.jimking.net) (216.54.255.8) by ns2.fbcc.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2001 03:57:40 -0000 Received: from marble (marble.lgc.com [134.132.228.4]) by bluto.jimking.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f283mp884867 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:48:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jim@jimking.net) Message-ID: <028501c0a782$b058f1a0$04e48486@marble> From: "Jim King" To: Subject: Mail username management Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 21:48:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm setting up a small mail server that will server a couple dozen accounts, using a few different domains. I'm using sendmail and Cyrus IMAP, and SquirrelMail for web access. At the moment I'm just using SASL's pwcheck for authentication, so all mail accounts are also system accounts. I'll change that to either sasldb or LDAP Real Soon Now. One thing I'm wondering about is namespace management, e.g. I have one user who wants to be john@foo.com and another user who wants to be john@bar.com. It appears that Cyrus can't use usernames containing periods, so I think I'll have to do some alias-type mapping in sendmail to work around this. Is there a better way to do this? Is there better mail server software around that will do IMAP and web mail? Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 8 6:52:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mcnet.ch (mail.mcnet.ch [193.5.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0436F37B719 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 06:52:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benoit.rossier@mcnet.ch) Received: from brossier.mcnet.ch ([193.5.166.80]) by mail.mcnet.ch (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id EUC00012; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:52:39 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010308155053.02ed6240@mail.mcnet.ch> X-Sender: brossier@mail.mcnet.ch X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 15:52:21 +0100 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Benoit Rossier Subject: RE: tftpd upload question - solution In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I finally found a nice tftp server. here the address if someone is interested: http://www.ohse.de/uwe/software/utftpd.html ben >I would recommend modifying the TFTPD source code to do what you want. Its >implementation is fairly trivial and adding the feature to create a file that >doesnt exist(instead of giving an error) should be a few lines of code. You >should note doing so will allow anyone to create any size files on your tftp >server. > >-mtl > >-----Original Message----- >From: Benoit Rossier [mailto:benoit.rossier@mcnet.ch] >Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 4:37 AM >To: Tom Samplonius >Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: tftpd upload question > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I would like to know how I can setup tftpd to > > > accept upload with new files? I want that tftpd > > > create the file on the server intead of saying > > > that the file doesn't exist. Has anyone found a > > > solution? > > > > > > thanks, > > > ben > > > > I've set this up before. It was very straightforward. If you run tftpd > >with "-s", the directory you are trying to upload to must be writable by > >nobody. > >I tried that but it doesn't works... :-( > >any other suggestions? > >ben > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 8 9:56:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.tcworks.net (mail.tcworks.net [216.61.218.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8CD37B71A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:56:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Received: from tcworks.net (creed.tcworks.net [216.61.218.6]) by mail.tcworks.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f28Hq0s51745 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 11:52:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3AA7C843.A828134A@tcworks.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 11:58:27 -0600 From: Chris Cook X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Shopping Cart/Apache/FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We are needing to impliment an open source shopping cart solution for our two FreeBSD web servers running apache. We would like to not use a database if possible, does anyone have any good recommendations? I was looking at OpenCart but it uses MySQL and the docs, etc. look pretty outdated. Thanks. -- Chris o----< ccook@tcworks.net >------------------------------------o |Chris Cook - Admin |TCWORKS.NET - http://www.tcworks.net | |The Computer Works ISP |FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org | o-------------------------------------------------------------o To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 8 10: 0:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tigerdyr.lyngbol.dk (tigerdyr.lyngbol.dk [193.162.142.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DBF37B719 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:00:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lyngbol@tigerdyr.lyngbol.dk) Received: by tigerdyr.lyngbol.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9C38A98AF; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:00:09 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 19:00:09 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Lyngb=F8l?= To: Chris Cook Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Shopping Cart/Apache/FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010308190009.A92488@tigerdyr.lyngbol.dk> References: <3AA7C843.A828134A@tcworks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AA7C843.A828134A@tcworks.net>; from ccook@tcworks.net on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 11:58:27AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/i386 4.2-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 11:58:27AM -0600, Chris Cook wrote: > We are needing to impliment an open source shopping cart solution for > our two FreeBSD web servers running apache. We would like to not use a > database if possible, does anyone have any good recommendations? I was > looking at OpenCart but it uses MySQL and the docs, etc. look pretty > outdated. Thanks. Perhaps phpShop would do http://www.edikon.org/? (I suppose it is database driven and I doubt you will find any non-database driven solution) /Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 8 10:13:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns0.sitesnow.com (ns0.sitesnow.com [63.166.182.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E2D37B718 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:13:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gskouby@ns0.sitesnow.com) Received: from gskouby by ns0.sitesnow.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14b4ub-000MXK-00; Thu, 08 Mar 2001 13:13:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:13:17 -0500 From: Greg Skouby To: Chris Cook Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Shopping Cart/Apache/FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010308131317.A86507@sitesnow.com> References: <3AA7C843.A828134A@tcworks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AA7C843.A828134A@tcworks.net>; from ccook@tcworks.net on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 11:58:27AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You could install PHP4.X and run with their session support. Might get kind of sticky but definately possible. Greg On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 11:58:27AM -0600, Chris Cook wrote: > We are needing to impliment an open source shopping cart solution for > our two FreeBSD web servers running apache. We would like to not use a > database if possible, does anyone have any good recommendations? I was > looking at OpenCart but it uses MySQL and the docs, etc. look pretty > outdated. Thanks. > > -- > Chris > > o----< ccook@tcworks.net >------------------------------------o > |Chris Cook - Admin |TCWORKS.NET - http://www.tcworks.net | > |The Computer Works ISP |FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org | > o-------------------------------------------------------------o > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 8 10:24:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.thenap.com (mailman.thenap.com [209.190.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B0F37B71B for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:24:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drew.weaver@thenap.com) Received: by mailman.thenap.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:37:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Drew J. Weaver" To: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Apache + FreeBSD 4.2 RELEASE Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:37:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0A7FE.CD2121AA" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A7FE.CD2121AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" localhost# ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache Configuring for Apache, Version 1.3.19 + using installation path layout: Apache (config.layout) Creating Makefile Creating Configuration.apaci in src Creating Makefile in src + configured for FreeBSD 4.2 platform + setting C compiler to gcc + setting C pre-processor to gcc -E + checking for system header files + adding selected modules + checking sizeof various data types + doing sanity check on compiler and options Creating Makefile in src/support Creating Makefile in src/os/unix Creating Makefile in src/ap Creating Makefile in src/main Creating Makefile in src/lib/expat-lite Creating Makefile in src/modules/standard make (completes withour any errors) make install (completes without any errors) Yet when /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start Segmentation fault - core dumped /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started I'm completely confused, i have used the same method for installing apache on other operating systems without fail multiple times. This is FREEBSD 4.2 RELEASE (default kernel for now) nothing has been modified (standard install) It does this on two seperate servers both running RELEASE 4.2 but i've used the same method on other operating systems and it has worked. I am working with apache_1.3.9.tar.gz Thanks, -Drew ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A7FE.CD2121AA Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apache + FreeBSD 4.2 RELEASE

localhost# ./configure = --prefix=3D/usr/local/apache
Configuring for Apache, Version = 1.3.19
 + using installation path = layout: Apache (config.layout)
Creating Makefile
Creating Configuration.apaci in = src
Creating Makefile in src
 + configured for FreeBSD 4.2 = platform
 + setting C compiler to = gcc
 + setting C pre-processor to = gcc -E
 + checking for system header = files
 + adding selected = modules
 + checking sizeof various data = types
 + doing sanity check on = compiler and options
Creating Makefile in = src/support
Creating Makefile in = src/os/unix
Creating Makefile in src/ap
Creating Makefile in src/main
Creating Makefile in = src/lib/expat-lite
Creating Makefile in = src/modules/standard

make (completes withour any = errors)

make install (completes without any = errors)

Yet when = /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start

Segmentation fault - core = dumped
/usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl = start: httpd could not be started

I'm completely confused, i have used = the same method for installing apache on other operating systems = without fail multiple times. This is FREEBSD 4.2 RELEASE (default = kernel for now) nothing has been modified (standard install) It does = this on two seperate servers both running RELEASE 4.2 but i've used the = same method on other operating systems and it has worked. I am working = with apache_1.3.9.tar.gz

Thanks,
-Drew


------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A7FE.CD2121AA-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 8 10:56:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.sysr.com (ns.sysr.com [208.178.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F9337B71A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 10:56:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cblevins@sysr.com) Received: from localhost (cblevins@localhost) by ns.sysr.com (8.11.1/8.9.2) with ESMTP id f28Iteq78453; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:55:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cblevins@sysr.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:55:40 -0500 (EST) From: Carol Blevins To: "Drew J. Weaver" Cc: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Apache + FreeBSD 4.2 RELEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here's my two cents worth. Do you have mod_php3 in httpd.conf? If so comment it out and fire it up. Hope it Helps. Carol Blevins SYSR ************************************** * It is a little known fact that the * * Y1K bug caused the dark ages. * ************************************** On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, Drew J. Weaver wrote: > localhost# ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache > Configuring for Apache, Version 1.3.19 > + using installation path layout: Apache (config.layout) > Creating Makefile > Creating Configuration.apaci in src > Creating Makefile in src > + configured for FreeBSD 4.2 platform > + setting C compiler to gcc > + setting C pre-processor to gcc -E > + checking for system header files > + adding selected modules > + checking sizeof various data types > + doing sanity check on compiler and options > Creating Makefile in src/support > Creating Makefile in src/os/unix > Creating Makefile in src/ap > Creating Makefile in src/main > Creating Makefile in src/lib/expat-lite > Creating Makefile in src/modules/standard > > make (completes withour any errors) > > make install (completes without any errors) > > Yet when /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start > > Segmentation fault - core dumped > /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started > > I'm completely confused, i have used the same method for installing apache > on other operating systems without fail multiple times. This is FREEBSD 4.2 > RELEASE (default kernel for now) nothing has been modified (standard > install) It does this on two seperate servers both running RELEASE 4.2 but > i've used the same method on other operating systems and it has worked. I am > working with apache_1.3.9.tar.gz > > Thanks, > -Drew > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 8 12:57:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tuxinternet.com (pitr.tuxinternet.com [208.32.175.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077DB37B719 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 12:57:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hugme@tuxinternet.com) Received: (from hugme@localhost) by tuxinternet.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f28G2Nj80728 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:02:23 GMT (envelope-from hugme) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:02:23 +0000 From: Hug Me To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache + FreeBSD 4.2 RELEASE Message-ID: <20010308160223.B80677@pitr.tuxinternet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from drew.weaver@thenap.com on Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 01:37:15PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Look through your logs both /var/log and where ever it is writing your apache log. There should be more information as to what is going on. *** this may not be true for you, this is where mine would be *** /var/log/http-error.log On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 01:37:15PM -0500, Drew J. Weaver wrote: > localhost# ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache > Configuring for Apache, Version 1.3.19 > + using installation path layout: Apache (config.layout) > Creating Makefile > Creating Configuration.apaci in src > Creating Makefile in src > + configured for FreeBSD 4.2 platform > + setting C compiler to gcc > + setting C pre-processor to gcc -E > + checking for system header files > + adding selected modules > + checking sizeof various data types > + doing sanity check on compiler and options > Creating Makefile in src/support > Creating Makefile in src/os/unix > Creating Makefile in src/ap > Creating Makefile in src/main > Creating Makefile in src/lib/expat-lite > Creating Makefile in src/modules/standard > > make (completes withour any errors) > > make install (completes without any errors) > > Yet when /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start > > Segmentation fault - core dumped > /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started > > I'm completely confused, i have used the same method for installing apache > on other operating systems without fail multiple times. This is FREEBSD 4.2 > RELEASE (default kernel for now) nothing has been modified (standard > install) It does this on two seperate servers both running RELEASE 4.2 but > i've used the same method on other operating systems and it has worked. I am > working with apache_1.3.9.tar.gz > > Thanks, > -Drew > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 8 15:26:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C4537B71A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:26:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwplists@loop.com) Received: from Elektra.loop.com (elektra.loop.com [207.211.60.33]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA72884 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:26:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <037201c0a827$57172760$213cd3cf@loop.com> From: "D. W. Piper" To: References: <20010227105431.C3649@solveinteractive.com> Subject: ET/BWMGR Bandwidth Manager Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:27:23 -0800 Organization: The Loop Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with ET/BWMGR Bandwidth Manager from Emerging Technologies Inc.? Any comments or criticisms about the product to share? TIA, David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 8 15:42:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net (bsdie.rwsystems.net [209.197.223.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E11437B719 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 15:42:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwyatt@rwsystems.net) Received: from bsdie.rwsystems.net([209.197.223.2]) (996 bytes) by bsdie.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:42:00 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #1 built 2000-Jun-25) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:42:00 -0600 (CST) From: James Wyatt To: "D. W. Piper" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ET/BWMGR Bandwidth Manager In-Reply-To: <037201c0a827$57172760$213cd3cf@loop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, D. W. Piper wrote: > Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with ET/BWMGR Bandwidth > Manager from Emerging Technologies Inc.? Any comments or criticisms > about the product to share? Oh no, here we go again... Can be a fine product and several folks here sewar by it. Some folks like flaming Dennis and he will flame back. Please dig through the email archives and email Dennis for current references. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 8 16:19:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B6837B718 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:19:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Received: from d7k (sdn-ar-008coauroP239.dialsprint.net [63.178.121.193]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA05624 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:19:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000f01c0a82e$854a60a0$2c01010a@d7k> From: "Alex Huppenthal" To: Subject: ATM - setting a bit rate Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:18:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org has anyone successfully set the ATM bit rate for a specific PVC or for that matter the entire ATM PCI card? clues appreciated. atm: It's been a long hard road .. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 8 16:25:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.k2access.net (mail.k2access.net [63.140.99.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AAA37B718 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:25:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from exs@kka.com) Received: from mephisto ([208.41.204.124]) by mail.k2access.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59171U1000L100S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:24:52 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Eric D. Stanfield" To: Subject: wan monitoring software Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 18:25:52 -0600 Message-ID: <004d01c0a82f$7f6f3e20$7ccc29d0@thestanfields.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm looking for opinions/suggestions on some open source software that can provide a few basic monitoring functions for some client wans. I use MRTG heavily right now and I've tinkered with BigBrother's software. I'm just wondering if there is anything else out there that bears a look. Typical environment would be a 4-20 city frame relay wan using cisco (26xx, 36xx) equipment. At the very least, it needs to be able to page on equipment failure. Ideally it would have more bells and whistles than I could put to use heh. Thanks, Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 8 16:29:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7A137B71A; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:29:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Received: from d7k (sdn-ar-008coauroP239.dialsprint.net [63.178.121.193]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA16664; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:29:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <002301c0a82f$f3b02330$2c01010a@d7k> From: "Alex Huppenthal" To: , Subject: FreeBSD and Linux ATM Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 17:29:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Looks like Linux ATM stack supports setting bit rates on the ATM card. Anyone know if there's a port in progress? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 8 16:41:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E622637B71A for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 16:41:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaltorak@quake.com.au) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AB6169.63.5724aadf) with ESMTP id mgnaaaaa for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:41:16 +1100 Message-ID: <3AA82753.454C4C14@quake.com.au> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 11:44:03 +1100 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "D. W. Piper" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ET/BWMGR Bandwidth Manager References: <20010227105431.C3649@solveinteractive.com> <037201c0a827$57172760$213cd3cf@loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "D. W. Piper" wrote: > > Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with ET/BWMGR Bandwidth > Manager from Emerging Technologies Inc.? Any comments or criticisms > about the product to share? Oh oh! Flame war time in isp list again... */me ducks for cover* Out of all the people who have an opinion on the product none seem to have a clear argument to support there views... It seems the product works great and dose the job without problems, the only valid case against using it that I have seen is people that claim you can do everything it dose with the basic tools included in FreeBSD... This is probably the case for SOME peoples needs, but I doubt this covers everything, and using this tool is probably much easier... Since this is a common topic, if someone who has used the various solutions extensively could write up a comparision/review Im sure it would be greatly appreciated... Maybe Denise could put it on his site... I have yet to see anyone say the thing doesnt do its job, so the only thing you really need to work out is, can you do the job without it and save your self some money? Or would you rather spend the money and save your self some time? There is a fully working demo on Denise's site, and Im sure he would be more than happy to tell you all about it! Good luck! And dont anyone DARE start the Denise vs The World flame war again!!! :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 8 20:47:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from apcs.com.au (keith.hot.net.au [203.58.126.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CCE337B719 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2001 20:47:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keith@apcs.com.au) Received: (from keith@localhost) by apcs.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA04427; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 14:50:28 +1000 (PGT) (envelope-from keith) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <004d01c0a82f$7f6f3e20$7ccc29d0@thestanfields.com> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 14:50:28 +1000 (PGT) Reply-To: Keith Anderson From: Keith Anderson To: "Eric D. Stanfield" Subject: RE: wan monitoring software Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In A word Netsaint Keith On 09-Mar-01 Eric D. Stanfield wrote: > I'm looking for opinions/suggestions on some open source software that can > provide a few basic monitoring functions for some client wans. I use MRTG > heavily right now and I've tinkered with BigBrother's software. I'm just > wondering if there is anything else out there that bears a look. > > Typical environment would be a 4-20 city frame relay wan using cisco (26xx, > 36xx) equipment. At the very least, it needs to be able to page on > equipment failure. Ideally it would have more bells and whistles than I > could put to use heh. > > Thanks, > > Eric > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Keith Anderson Australia Power Control Systems Pty. Limited. Member of the Australian Technology Showcase. http://www.apcs.com.au +61 2 66 534843 Date: 09-Mar-01 Time: 14:49:28 Satellite Service 64K to 8Meg EzyISP Accounting Systems -------------------------------- "MicroSoft? is that some kind of a toilet paper?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 9 3:10: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B0837B718 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 03:09:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from so@server.i-clue.de) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id NAA01658 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 13:16:33 +0100 Message-ID: <3AA8BA5D.52EFBC2F@i-clue.de> Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 12:11:25 +0100 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: DLT Tape drive recommendations? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi List, I'm evaluating new backup iron, focussing on DLT-1 or DLT-4000/7000 (or anything else with single drive, no autoloader). Price limit is $5000. DAT is no option. Any suggestions, recommendations, hints? Thanks -Christoph Sold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 9 9:45:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77F337B71B for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:45:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14bQw6-0002V0-00; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:44:18 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:44:06 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Christoph Sold Cc: isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DLT Tape drive recommendations? In-Reply-To: <3AA8BA5D.52EFBC2F@i-clue.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Christoph Sold wrote: > Hi List, > > I'm evaluating new backup iron, focussing on DLT-1 or DLT-4000/7000 (or > anything else with single drive, no autoloader). Price limit is $5000. > DAT is no option. Any suggestions, recommendations, hints? > > Thanks > -Christoph Sold All the DLT drives are pretty similar. The mechanism used by all the vendors is probably all made by Quantum. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 9 9:58:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gateway.chlgroup.com (gateway.chlgroup.com [204.216.54.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8739937B718 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:58:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from greg@chlgroup.com) Received: from gregspc (gregspc.chlgroup.com [204.216.54.51]) by gateway.chlgroup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA09665 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 09:58:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from greg@chlgroup.com) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20010309095835.00996440@gateway.chlgroup.com> X-Sender: greg@gateway.chlgroup.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2001 09:58:35 -0800 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Greg Himes Subject: Re: DLT Tape drive recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <3AA8BA5D.52EFBC2F@i-clue.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You may want to look at HP's new line of Ultrium tape drives. LVD SCSI interface 100 GB Native/ 200 GB Compressed per cartridge Throughput of 100 GB/hour Greg At 09:44 AM 3/9/01 -0800, you wrote: > >On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Christoph Sold wrote: > >> Hi List, >> >> I'm evaluating new backup iron, focussing on DLT-1 or DLT-4000/7000 (or >> anything else with single drive, no autoloader). Price limit is $5000. >> DAT is no option. Any suggestions, recommendations, hints? >> >> Thanks >> -Christoph Sold > > All the DLT drives are pretty similar. The mechanism used by all the >vendors is probably all made by Quantum. > >Tom > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 9 11:16:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (serial1-2-velvet-brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0E737B71B for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 11:16:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA89543 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2001 06:16:05 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 06:15:59 +1100 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE/PHP 4.04pl1/Apache 1.3.17 problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, A 6x86-233MHz machine with 32Mb RAM (too little, this will change soon) running 4.2-RELEASE with Apache+PHP has rebooted a couple of times without warning. Just now it appears that it rebooted, worked for 60 seconds, then died for 30 minutes (!) and rebooted again. I'm not sure what it was doing for 30 minutes and what caused it to come good again, it may have been someone rebooting it. Is anyone else running a similar combination of OS/web server+PHP? Seen any unusual problems like this? Nothing is logged via syslog prior to the reboot. Regarding low RAM, I don't believe it's running out of swap because during normal use it doesn't go over 10% swap used, and if it *did* run out of swap it would spend a fair amount of time thrashing and slowing to a crawl before this happened. Not in this case, it just suddenly went off the air. Is 4.2-RELEASE considered stable enough for production use? I thought it was, but just checking - the server had to be thrown together quicker than I would have liked. ;\ I haven't done any tweaks to the kernel settings. A downgrade to 3.x wouldn't be impossible if there was a good enough reason. TIA... Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ Sensation Internet Services http://info.sensation.net.au/ Melbourne, Australia Phone: +61-3-9388-9260 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 9 12:50:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8935D37B719 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 12:50:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.xtalwind.net [127.0.0.1]) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f29KoG402856; Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:50:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2001 15:50:16 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: Rowan Crowe Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE/PHP 4.04pl1/Apache 1.3.17 problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mar 10 Rowan Crowe wrote: > Is anyone else running a similar combination of OS/web server+PHP? That plus mod_ssl. > Seen any unusual problems like this? Not on either of the two boxes I have it on. > Is 4.2-RELEASE considered stable enough for production use? I've got about a dozen boxes running it since late November and only one has gone down unintentionally, that was when the smoke leaked out of the power supply. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message