From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 23 1:33:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from backup.dagupan.com (www.psysc.org.ph [206.101.69.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF7537B401 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by chat.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:44:47 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340B27@chat.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:44:47 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, We're planning to buy either a 3Ware Escalade or an Adaptec 2400A ATA RAID adapter for our FreeBSD servers. Can you give me your feedback regarding these products? BTW, are the Adaptec 2400A ATA RAID adapters supported by FreeBSD? It's supported according to Adaptec's website but I'd rather get the information from actual users. Thanks. --- francis vidal [bitstop network services] streaming media + web services v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 23 1:33:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from backup.dagupan.com (www.psysc.org.ph [206.101.69.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC33137B401 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by chat.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:31:08 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340B2A@chat.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:31:07 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, We're planning to buy either a 3Ware Escalade or an Adaptec 2400A ATA RAID adapter for our FreeBSD servers. Can you give me your feedback regarding these products? BTW, are the Adaptec 2400A ATA RAID adapters supported by FreeBSD? It's supported according to Adaptec's website but I'd rather get the information from actual users. Thanks. --- francis vidal [bitstop network services] streaming media + web services v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 23 2: 1:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (paperboy.sixforty.co.uk [195.10.242.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962B337B401 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 02:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.1) id f9N91rP51532 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:01:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd-isp@epcdirect.co.uk) Delivered-To: Received: from lfarr (daisy.int.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.6.200]) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.1av) with ESMTP id f9N91mQ51520 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:01:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd-isp@epcdirect.co.uk) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: Subject: RE: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:02:34 +0100 Message-ID: <001c01c15ba1$74cf9cf0$c806a8c0@lfarr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340B2A@chat.dagupan.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The 3Ware controllers are discontinued. I have a 2400A with 4x WD 100Gb disks which I am testing today. I'll post the results later. Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of francisv@dagupan.com Sent: 22 October 2001 15:31 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A Hi, We're planning to buy either a 3Ware Escalade or an Adaptec 2400A ATA RAID adapter for our FreeBSD servers. Can you give me your feedback regarding these products? BTW, are the Adaptec 2400A ATA RAID adapters supported by FreeBSD? It's supported according to Adaptec's website but I'd rather get the information from actual users. Thanks. --- francis vidal [bitstop network services] streaming media + web services v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 23 2:14:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from draco.over-yonder.net (draco.over-yonder.net [198.78.58.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D612837B401 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 02:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by draco.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 674F8FC2; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:14:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:14:18 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Lawrence Farr Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A Message-ID: <20011023041418.E37284@over-yonder.net> References: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340B2A@chat.dagupan.com> <001c01c15ba1$74cf9cf0$c806a8c0@lfarr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <001c01c15ba1$74cf9cf0$c806a8c0@lfarr>; from freebsd-isp@epcdirect.co.uk on Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 10:02:34AM +0100 X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 23, 2001 at 10:02:34AM +0100 I heard the voice of Lawrence Farr, and lo! it spake thus: > The 3Ware controllers are discontinued. I have a 2400A with 4x WD 100Gb > disks > which I am testing today. I'll post the results later. And a damn shame it is, too. I've got a few 6200's in service, and that's wonderful. Not too bad to configure, blazing fast, neat web-based monitor. (Note: this is just RAID1. I haven't tried, and wouldn't want to try, RAID5 on them. But they FLY on mirroring). root% time dd if=/dev/twed0s1a of=/dev/null bs=16m count=20 20+0 records in 20+0 records out 335544320 bytes transferred in 9.448652 secs (35512401 bytes/sec) 0.000u 0.366s 0:09.46 3.8% 69+35667k 0+0io 0pf+0w That's on a RAID1 with a pair of IBM 60GXP's (60 gig, 7200RPM). I love it. Buy them up before they disappear, folks! -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Unix Systems Administrator | fullermd@futuresouth.com Specializing in FreeBSD | http://www.over-yonder.net/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 23 4:14:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hawk-systems.com (hawk-systems.com [161.58.152.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC41537B401 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cr159591a (cr159591-a.pr1.on.wave.home.com [24.102.18.54]) by hawk-systems.com (8.11.6) id f9NBESH50429 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 05:14:28 -0600 (MDT) From: "Dave VanAuken" To: Subject: anti-virus for qmail based isp services Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:15:29 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org currently have qmail/vpopmail/webmail/mysql... solution running on a 4.3 box. Looking to add in some server level anti-virus scanning as a value-add. recommendations on packages? have asked elsewhere and received Linux recommendations, but looking for a robust FreeBSD native solution(reliability is an issue). insight, experiences, warnings, or recommendations appreciated Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 23 7:25:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.atbd.com (mail.atbd.com [206.190.141.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF12037B405 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 74449 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2001 14:25:29 -0000 Received: from h-64-105-215-115.sttnwaho.covad.net (HELO trout) (64.105.215.115) by ftp.hei.net with SMTP; 23 Oct 2001 14:25:29 -0000 From: "John A. Hengstler" To: "Dave VanAuken" Cc: Subject: RE: anti-virus for qmail based isp services Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:19:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am interested in this as well. John Hengstler -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Dave VanAuken Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 4:15 AM To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: anti-virus for qmail based isp services currently have qmail/vpopmail/webmail/mysql... solution running on a 4.3 box. Looking to add in some server level anti-virus scanning as a value-add. recommendations on packages? have asked elsewhere and received Linux recommendations, but looking for a robust FreeBSD native solution(reliability is an issue). insight, experiences, warnings, or recommendations appreciated Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 23 7:31:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from psknet.com (voyager.psknet.com [63.171.251.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E4BE337B407 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 71536 invoked by uid 85); 23 Oct 2001 14:31:17 -0000 Received: from troy@psknet.com by voyager.psknet.com with qmail-scanner-0.95 (uvscan: v4.1.20/v4143. . Clean. Processed in 0.459426 secs); 23 Oct 2001 14:31:16 -0000 Received: from arcadia.psknet.com (HELO arcadia) (63.171.251.7) by voyager.psknet.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2001 14:31:16 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Dave VanAuken" , Subject: RE: anti-virus for qmail based isp services Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:31:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm using qmail-scanner (http://sourceforge.net/projects/qmail-scanner/) with McAfee's uvscan for FreeBSD. Several other virus scanners are supported by qmail-scanner, but I've no experience with them. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 - 866.477.5638 http://www.psknet.com ** -----Original Message----- ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Dave VanAuken ** Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 7:15 AM ** To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** Subject: anti-virus for qmail based isp services ** ** ** currently have qmail/vpopmail/webmail/mysql... solution running ** on a 4.3 box. ** Looking to add in some server level anti-virus scanning as a value-add. ** ** recommendations on packages? have asked elsewhere and received Linux ** recommendations, but looking for a robust FreeBSD native ** solution(reliability is ** an issue). ** ** insight, experiences, warnings, or recommendations appreciated ** ** Dave ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 23 8: 1: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from db.nexgen.com (db.nexgen.com [66.92.98.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A8E3537B401 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 60990 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2001 15:00:34 -0000 Received: from localhost.nexgen.com (HELO alexus) (root@127.0.0.1) by localhost.nexgen.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2001 15:00:34 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01c15bd3$81c0ae40$0d00a8c0@alexus> From: "alexus" To: , References: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340B2A@chat.dagupan.com> Subject: Re: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:00:51 -0400 Organization: NexGen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i run 3ware.. maybe some people will disagree with me here.. but 3ware is *the* shitiest raid controller i had to deal with.. i'm used to use escalade 6800 and now i'm using escalede 7800 as far per card itself.. they are ok, especially 7800, very fast.. as far as support from bsd itself.. its fine too what's i really dont like about them is support from 3ware themself they released buggy utility and i've been running 3ware for a year now and for this whole year they released 2 new versions, which not all bug was fixed here is the most important one.. for some reason sometimes (most of the time) it will *NOT* let you rebuild RAID on the fly, you'll have to restart your computer into bios set to do it there and restart it again... i can't realy on that many reboot on production machines.. so for 3ware i can say NO adaptec on another hand.. i have 3200s and i never ever had anyproblem.. however one minus i found is that their utility made for X windows and not for web as 3ware.. so you need to have X server/client in order to manage your controller remotely other then that both cards are good ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A > Hi, > > We're planning to buy either a 3Ware Escalade or an Adaptec 2400A ATA RAID > adapter for our FreeBSD servers. Can you give me your feedback regarding > these products? BTW, are the Adaptec 2400A ATA RAID adapters supported by > FreeBSD? It's supported according to Adaptec's website but I'd rather get > the information from actual users. > > Thanks. > > --- > francis vidal [bitstop network services] > streaming media + web services > v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 23 9:11:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from rhea.tiscali.nl (rhea.tiscali.nl [195.241.76.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4999337B401 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monkey-online.net (unknown [195.241.113.9]) by rhea.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3FE36E93 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:11:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3BD596BD.2E4EBE55@monkey-online.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:11:41 +0200 From: Eric Veraart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RLX System 324 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Does anyone have experience with the RLX System 324 and Serverblade cards? (http://www.rlxtechnologies.com/product/benefits/manage.html) Seems real sweet, but I can't find anything about FreeBSD compatibility. It runs RedHat 7.1 (or Win2k), has a Transmeta Crusoe processor, DIMM memory and ATA HD's. But things like 10/100 nic are pretty vague. Anyone? Greetings, Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 23 9:19:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.overalt.no (ns.overalt.no [194.234.214.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66DC37B403 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from overalt.no (goppus.overalt.no [192.168.200.25]) by ns.overalt.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB4632F; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:17:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3BD59893.90201@overalt.no> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:19:31 +0200 From: Marius Sorteberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010919 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave VanAuken Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: anti-virus for qmail based isp services References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dave VanAuken wrote: >currently have qmail/vpopmail/webmail/mysql... solution running on a 4.3 box. >Looking to add in some server level anti-virus scanning as a value-add. > >recommendations on packages? have asked elsewhere and received Linux >recommendations, but looking for a robust FreeBSD native solution(reliability is >an issue). > >insight, experiences, warnings, or recommendations appreciated > >Dave > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > Take a look at: http://www.bsdatwork.com/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=1 -- Marius To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 23 12:17:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from best.micron.net (best.micron.net [204.229.122.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B943137B409 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 10.224.0.199 ([10.224.0.199]) by best.micron.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.1) with SMTP id GLOAU300.L17; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:15:39 -0600 Received: from micron.net ( [204.229.110.47]) by with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:15:38 -0600 Message-ID: <3BD5C32D.3D7F809E@micron.net> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:25:31 -0700 From: Phil Mannle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: named/bind guru question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SMTP-HELO: micron.net X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: pmannle@micron.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: [204.229.110.47] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Listmembers, I am using FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE (GENERIC), with BIND 9.1.1 -- I have set up a name server on this machine at ns1.myp.tv. I have a problem with a particular domain: mypersonalfranchise.com -- in that when it is loaded from IE on a Windows machine, a first time access of the site will result in Page Not Found, but a reload always finds the site. Using nslookup from a machine on a totally separate network, I get the "timed out" errors resulting in Non-existent host/domain (see below), which I believe are causing the Page Not Found. There is a secondary named server in the domain record at ns1.uspeed.com, but this does not have any zone info for the mypersonalfranchise yet (I am trying to get it added ASAP) This has gotten extremely frustrating and I am afraid I am going to lose a huge client! Also, I restarted named with -HUP after upping the serial number for the mypersonalfranchise zone, and no errors are reported by syslog. Does anyone have any advice? Please see the nslookup debug output, as well as the zone info below. Thanks, Phil [root@boohpah]# nslookup Default Server: boohpah.boo.net Address: 216.200.67.25 > set debug > mypersonalfranchise.com Server: boohpah.boo.net Address: 216.200.67.25 ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, mypersonalfranchise.com, IN, A) timeout timeout ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, mypersonalfranchise.com.boo.net, IN, A) ------------ Got answer: HEADER: opcode = QUERY, id = 4064, rcode = NXDOMAIN header flags: response, auth. answer, want recursion, recursion avail. questions = 1, answers = 0, authority records = 1, additional = 0 QUESTIONS: mypersonalfranchise.com.boo.net, type = A, class = IN AUTHORITY RECORDS: -> boo.net ttl = 86400 (1D) origin = dns.boo.net mail addr = admin\@dns2.boo.net serial = 2001080101 refresh = 3600 (1H) retry = 600 (10M) expire = 604800 (1W) minimum ttl = 86400 (1D) ------------ *** boohpah.boo.net can't find mypersonalfranchise.com: Non-existent host/domain > > mypersonalfranchise.com Server: boohpah.boo.net Address: 216.200.67.25 ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, mypersonalfranchise.com, IN, A) ------------ Got answer: HEADER: opcode = QUERY, id = 4066, rcode = NOERROR header flags: response, auth. answer, want recursion, recursion avail. questions = 1, answers = 1, authority records = 2, additional = 1 QUESTIONS: mypersonalfranchise.com, type = A, class = IN ANSWERS: -> mypersonalfranchise.com internet address = 63.105.159.192 ttl = 3600 (1H) AUTHORITY RECORDS: -> mypersonalfranchise.com nameserver = ns1.myp.tv ttl = 3600 (1H) -> mypersonalfranchise.com nameserver = ns1.uspeed.com ttl = 3600 (1H) ADDITIONAL RECORDS: -> ns1.uspeed.com internet address = 63.105.159.211 ttl = 229414 (2d15h43m34s) ------------ Name: mypersonalfranchise.com Address: 63.105.159.192 Zone file: $TTL 3600 mypersonalfranchise.com. IN SOA ns1.myp.tv. root.myptv.com. ( 977186102 10800 3600 632000 38400 ) mypersonalfranchise.com. IN NS ns1.myp.tv. mypersonalfranchise.com. IN A 63.105.159.192 www.mypersonalfranchise.com. IN A 63.105.159.192 mail.mypersonalfranchise.com. IN A 63.105.159.191 mypersonalfranchise.com. IN MX 10 mail.mypersonalfranchise.com. mypersonalfranchise.com. IN NS ns1.uspeed.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 23 12:30:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tuxcom.net.mx (ns.tuxcom.net.mx [148.223.149.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 471D437B403 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 94662 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2001 14:29:48 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO tuxcom.net.mx) (10.0.0.248) by tux-33.tuxcom.net.mx with SMTP; 23 Oct 2001 14:29:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3BD5C527.5E24556E@tuxcom.net.mx> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:29:43 -0500 From: Michael =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sch=F6nsee?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phil Mannle Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: named/bind guru question References: <3BD5C32D.3D7F809E@micron.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try: http://www.foobar.tm/dns/dnsbajaj.cgi It's a nice NS record visualizing tool. Almost every angry client understand its graphics Phil Mannle wrote: > Hi Listmembers, > > I am using FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE (GENERIC), with BIND 9.1.1 -- I have set > up a name server on this machine at ns1.myp.tv. > > I have a problem with a particular domain: mypersonalfranchise.com -- in > that when it is loaded from IE on a Windows machine, a first time access > of the site will result in Page Not Found, but a reload always finds the > site. > > Using nslookup from a machine on a totally separate network, I get the > "timed out" errors resulting in Non-existent host/domain (see below), > which I believe are causing the Page Not Found. > > There is a secondary named server in the domain record at > ns1.uspeed.com, but this does not have any zone info for the > mypersonalfranchise yet (I am trying to get it added ASAP) > > This has gotten extremely frustrating and I am afraid I am going to lose > a huge client! > > Also, I restarted named with -HUP after upping the serial number for the > mypersonalfranchise zone, and no errors are reported by syslog. > > Does anyone have any advice? > > Please see the nslookup debug output, as well as the zone info below. > > Thanks, > > Phil > > [root@boohpah]# nslookup > Default Server: boohpah.boo.net > Address: 216.200.67.25 > > > set debug > > mypersonalfranchise.com > Server: boohpah.boo.net > Address: 216.200.67.25 > > ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, mypersonalfranchise.com, IN, A) > timeout > timeout > ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, mypersonalfranchise.com.boo.net, IN, A) > ------------ > Got answer: > HEADER: > opcode = QUERY, id = 4064, rcode = NXDOMAIN > header flags: response, auth. answer, want recursion, recursion > avail. > questions = 1, answers = 0, authority records = 1, additional > = 0 > > QUESTIONS: > mypersonalfranchise.com.boo.net, type = A, class = IN > AUTHORITY RECORDS: > -> boo.net > ttl = 86400 (1D) > origin = dns.boo.net > mail addr = admin\@dns2.boo.net > serial = 2001080101 > refresh = 3600 (1H) > retry = 600 (10M) > expire = 604800 (1W) > minimum ttl = 86400 (1D) > > ------------ > *** boohpah.boo.net can't find mypersonalfranchise.com: Non-existent > host/domain > > > > > mypersonalfranchise.com > Server: boohpah.boo.net > Address: 216.200.67.25 > > ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, mypersonalfranchise.com, IN, A) > ------------ > Got answer: > HEADER: > opcode = QUERY, id = 4066, rcode = NOERROR > header flags: response, auth. answer, want recursion, recursion > avail. > questions = 1, answers = 1, authority records = 2, additional > = 1 > > QUESTIONS: > mypersonalfranchise.com, type = A, class = IN > ANSWERS: > -> mypersonalfranchise.com > internet address = 63.105.159.192 > ttl = 3600 (1H) > AUTHORITY RECORDS: > -> mypersonalfranchise.com > nameserver = ns1.myp.tv > ttl = 3600 (1H) > -> mypersonalfranchise.com > nameserver = ns1.uspeed.com > ttl = 3600 (1H) > ADDITIONAL RECORDS: > -> ns1.uspeed.com > internet address = 63.105.159.211 > ttl = 229414 (2d15h43m34s) > > ------------ > Name: mypersonalfranchise.com > Address: 63.105.159.192 > > Zone file: > > $TTL 3600 > mypersonalfranchise.com. IN SOA ns1.myp.tv. > root.myptv.com. ( > 977186102 > 10800 > 3600 > 632000 > 38400 ) > mypersonalfranchise.com. IN NS ns1.myp.tv. > mypersonalfranchise.com. IN A 63.105.159.192 > www.mypersonalfranchise.com. IN A 63.105.159.192 > mail.mypersonalfranchise.com. IN A 63.105.159.191 > mypersonalfranchise.com. IN MX 10 > mail.mypersonalfranchise.com. > mypersonalfranchise.com. IN NS ns1.uspeed.com. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 23 12:56: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD26237B405 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id B004216B13 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:55:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from IBM-HIRXKN66F0W.Go2France.com [66.64.14.18] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AE1912D00CA; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:07:53 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20011023145002.02243ec8@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:55:14 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: named/bind guru question In-Reply-To: <3BD5C32D.3D7F809E@micron.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I am using FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE (GENERIC), with BIND 9.1.1 -- I have set >up a name server on this machine at ns1.myp.tv. >I have a problem with a particular domain: mypersonalfranchise.com -- in >that when it is loaded from IE on a Windows machine, a first time access >of the site will result in Page Not Found, but a reload always finds the >site. > >Using nslookup don't use nslookup, use dig > from a machine on a totally separate network, I get the >"timed out" errors resulting in Non-existent host/domain (see below), >which I believe are causing the Page Not Found. one ns doesn't respond at all >There is a secondary named server in the domain record at >ns1.uspeed.com, but this does not have any zone info for the >mypersonalfranchise yet (I am trying to get it added ASAP) ns1.uspeed.com is not responding at all. >This has gotten extremely frustrating and I am afraid I am going to lose >a huge client! DNS counts. yours is pretty screwed up: DNS Expert Detailed Report for mypersonalfranchise.com 2001-10-23, 14:49, using the analysis setting "Thorough" ====================================================================== Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Serial number: 977186102 Primary name server: ns1.myp.tv. Primary mail server: mail.mypersonalfranchise.com. Number of records: 6 (2 NS, 1 MX, 3 A, 0 CNAME, 0 PTR, 0 Other) Errors ---------------------------------------------------------------------- o The server "ns1.uspeed.com." did not reply The server "ns1.uspeed.com." did not reply when it was queried for the name "mypersonalfranchise.com.". This indicates that the server is not running, or it is currently unreachable. o Only one of your name servers has autoritative data for the zone. The server "ns1.myp.tv." is the only server that has authoritaive data for the zone. If this server becomes unavailable, your domain will become inacessible. o Unable to verify the hostmaster address "root.myptv.com." because no mail servers answered. It was not possible to verify the hostmaster address "root.myptv.com." because none of the mail servers that process mail for the domain answered. Warnings ---------------------------------------------------------------------- o The Serial number field in the SOA record contains an unusual value It appears that the Serial number field in the SOA record is based on a date value that is in the future. Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 23 15:17: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CCC37B401 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23650; Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:15:19 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:15:18 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: "John A. Hengstler" Cc: Dave VanAuken , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: anti-virus for qmail based isp services In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What I am using is as follows: 1) A copy of qqrbl, HEAVILY MODIFIED (and no, it isn't really in a state that I can give this out) which does multiple RBL lists, PLUS runs the virus scanner. Basically, it spits a complete copy of every email it recieves to the /tmp directory and runs the virus scanner on it. If the virus scanner returns a "has virus" result, it returns it to the sender, with some address de-mangling to handle magistr and the like. On the QQRBL side, it just adds headers for users to more easily match against for any RBL it finds. 2) Kaspersky antivirus (www.kaspersky.com). This runs on freebsd. This has two modes - basically a light and a heavy setting, although they call the settings different things. Essentially, the light setting does a once-over and the heavy setting recursively processeses the files. Unfortunately, the heavy setting takes lots of CPU to do its work. The Light setting appears to miss about 1 in 100 viruses. That said, there is no reason you couldn't use another virus checker. I DO NOT recommend the Kaspersky qmail product, at least unless they fixed the bugs (and they were aware of them and working on them.). On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, John A. Hengstler wrote: > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:19:06 -0700 > From: John A. Hengstler > To: Dave VanAuken > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: anti-virus for qmail based isp services > > I am interested in this as well. > > John Hengstler > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Dave VanAuken > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 4:15 AM > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: anti-virus for qmail based isp services > > > currently have qmail/vpopmail/webmail/mysql... solution running on a 4.3 > box. > Looking to add in some server level anti-virus scanning as a value-add. > > recommendations on packages? have asked elsewhere and received Linux > recommendations, but looking for a robust FreeBSD native > solution(reliability is > an issue). > > insight, experiences, warnings, or recommendations appreciated > > Dave > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > - Forrest W. 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Box 5749 http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 24 3: 3:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.london-1.starlabs.net (mail.london-1.starlabs.net [212.125.75.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 89A4237B401 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20365 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2001 09:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO UKSHMAIL2.win.advantage.com) (217.25.32.160) by server-9.tower-4.starlabs.net with SMTP; 24 Oct 2001 09:42:29 -0000 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: named/bind guru question X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:47:12 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: named/bind guru question Thread-Index: AcFb905XAqt6vEXETS+QtrvjC8NiBgAeYmCA From: "James Raftery" To: "Phil Mannle" , Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org mypersonalfranchise.com is delegated to ns1.myp.tv (63.105.159.191) ns1.uspeed.com (63.105.159.211) ns1.uspeed.com isn't responding. Your problems are mostly with the zones that your nameservers are in. The myp.tv and uspeed.com zones have many problems: MYP.TV ZONE: ----------- myp.tv is also delegated to ns1.myp.tv and ns1.uspeed.com. ns1.myp.tv doesn't know it's own IP address. If queried for the A record of ns1.myp.tv is gives a SERVFAIL. Actually, it thinks ns1.myp.tv is delegated to ``63.105.159.191.myp.tv'', which doesn't exist. Try: dig @63.105.159.191 ns1.myp.tv. a dig @63.105.159.191 ns1.myp.tv. any It's other nameserver, ns1.uspeed.com says ns1.myp.tv doesn't exist! Try: dig @63.105.159.211 ns1.myp.tv. a The TV zone has different nameservers for myp.tv from the myp.tv zone. Try: dig @ns1.nic.tv myp.tv. ns dig @63.105.159.191 myp.tv. ns USPEED.COM ZONE: --------------- uspeed.com is delegated to ns1.uspeed.com and ns2.uspeed.com (208.37.53.185). Neither of these are answering DNS queries. Regards, james -----Original Message----- From: Phil Mannle [mailto:pmannle@micron.net] Sent: 23 October 2001 20:26 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: named/bind guru question Hi Listmembers, I am using FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE (GENERIC), with BIND 9.1.1 -- I have set up a name server on this machine at ns1.myp.tv. I have a problem with a particular domain: mypersonalfranchise.com -- in that when it is loaded from IE on a Windows machine, a first time access of the site will result in Page Not Found, but a reload always finds the site. Using nslookup from a machine on a totally separate network, I get the "timed out" errors resulting in Non-existent host/domain (see below), which I believe are causing the Page Not Found. There is a secondary named server in the domain record at ns1.uspeed.com, but this does not have any zone info for the mypersonalfranchise yet (I am trying to get it added ASAP) This has gotten extremely frustrating and I am afraid I am going to lose a huge client! Also, I restarted named with -HUP after upping the serial number for the mypersonalfranchise zone, and no errors are reported by syslog. Does anyone have any advice? Please see the nslookup debug output, as well as the zone info below. Thanks, Phil [root@boohpah]# nslookup Default Server: boohpah.boo.net Address: 216.200.67.25 > set debug > mypersonalfranchise.com Server: boohpah.boo.net Address: 216.200.67.25 ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, mypersonalfranchise.com, IN, A) timeout timeout ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, mypersonalfranchise.com.boo.net, IN, A) ------------ Got answer: HEADER: opcode =3D QUERY, id =3D 4064, rcode =3D NXDOMAIN header flags: response, auth. answer, want recursion, recursion avail. questions =3D 1, answers =3D 0, authority records =3D 1, = additional =3D 0 QUESTIONS: mypersonalfranchise.com.boo.net, type =3D A, class =3D IN AUTHORITY RECORDS: -> boo.net ttl =3D 86400 (1D) origin =3D dns.boo.net mail addr =3D admin\@dns2.boo.net serial =3D 2001080101 refresh =3D 3600 (1H) retry =3D 600 (10M) expire =3D 604800 (1W) minimum ttl =3D 86400 (1D) ------------ *** boohpah.boo.net can't find mypersonalfranchise.com: Non-existent host/domain > > mypersonalfranchise.com Server: boohpah.boo.net Address: 216.200.67.25 ;; res_nmkquery(QUERY, mypersonalfranchise.com, IN, A) ------------ Got answer: HEADER: opcode =3D QUERY, id =3D 4066, rcode =3D NOERROR header flags: response, auth. answer, want recursion, recursion avail. questions =3D 1, answers =3D 1, authority records =3D 2, = additional =3D 1 QUESTIONS: mypersonalfranchise.com, type =3D A, class =3D IN ANSWERS: -> mypersonalfranchise.com internet address =3D 63.105.159.192 ttl =3D 3600 (1H) AUTHORITY RECORDS: -> mypersonalfranchise.com nameserver =3D ns1.myp.tv ttl =3D 3600 (1H) -> mypersonalfranchise.com nameserver =3D ns1.uspeed.com ttl =3D 3600 (1H) ADDITIONAL RECORDS: -> ns1.uspeed.com internet address =3D 63.105.159.211 ttl =3D 229414 (2d15h43m34s) ------------ Name: mypersonalfranchise.com Address: 63.105.159.192 Zone file: $TTL 3600 mypersonalfranchise.com. IN SOA ns1.myp.tv. root.myptv.com. ( 977186102 10800 3600 632000 38400 ) mypersonalfranchise.com. IN NS ns1.myp.tv. mypersonalfranchise.com. IN A 63.105.159.192 www.mypersonalfranchise.com. IN A 63.105.159.192 mail.mypersonalfranchise.com. IN A 63.105.159.191 mypersonalfranchise.com. IN MX 10 mail.mypersonalfranchise.com. mypersonalfranchise.com. IN NS ns1.uspeed.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message EMAIL DISCLAIMER The information in this message and any attachment is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended for the above named recipient(s) only and should not be disclosed, copied nor distributed. If this message is received in error, the sender should be notified and the message and any attachments deleted. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 24 3:58:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (paperboy.sixforty.co.uk [195.10.242.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7009D37B401 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.1) id f9OAwDo90104; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:58:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd-isp@epcdirect.co.uk) Delivered-To: mike@sentex.net Received: from lfarr (daisy.int.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.6.200]) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.1av) with ESMTP id f9OAwAQ90096; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:58:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd-isp@epcdirect.co.uk) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: Cc: Subject: RE: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A - test results Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:58:57 +0100 Message-ID: <002501c15c7a$e15cded0$c806a8c0@lfarr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001c01c15ba1$74cf9cf0$c806a8c0@lfarr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here are the results of a quick test of the Adaptec 2400A vs 3Ware 7xxx Series. I have 4 x Western Digital WD100BB 100Gb Drives connected to an Adaptec 2400A controller with 32Mb of cache setup as a Raid5 volume. Using a simple script to generate a 1Gb file and read it back, I filled the disk completely. From the logs it generated: 64Kb Stripe size: Pass 6 - 1048576 kb written in 89 seconds, at 11781 kb/Sec Pass 6 - 1048576 kb read in 35 seconds, at 29959 kb/Sec Pass 7 - 1048576 kb written in 88 seconds, at 11915 kb/Sec Pass 7 - 1048576 kb read in 36 seconds, at 29127 kb/Sec 256Kb Stripe size: Pass 6 - 1048576 kb written in 84 seconds, at 12483 kb/Sec Pass 6 - 1048576 kb read in 42 seconds, at 24966 kb/Sec Pass 7 - 1048576 kb written in 84 seconds, at 12483 kb/Sec Pass 7 - 1048576 kb read in 43 seconds, at 24385 kb/Sec And the 3Ware in Raid5 using 8 disks, 64k Stripe size: Pass 23 - 1048576 kb written in 115 seconds, at 9118 kb/Sec Pass 23 - 1048576 kb read in 15 seconds, at 69905 kb/Sec Pass 24 - 1048576 kb written in 116 seconds, at 9039 kb/Sec Pass 24 - 1048576 kb read in 15 seconds, at 69905 kb/Sec Not really a straight comparison as the 3Ware has more spindles, but that's as quick as it goes. Iozone reckons: File size set to 10240 KB Time Resolution = 0.000005 seconds. Processor cache size set to 1024 Kbytes. Processor cache line size set to 32 bytes. File stride size set to 17 * record size. random random bkwd record stride KB reclen write rewrite read reread read write read rewrite read fwrite frewrite fread freread 10240 4 17051 12833 201499 201916 168562 6888 182840 310519 171512 16444 17486 171286 171409 It's a damn shame about 3Ware. Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 24 4:40:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cage.simianscience.com (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7B637B406 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 04:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f9OBee434159; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:40:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp.sentex.net (fcage [192.168.0.2]) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.6/8.11.6av) with ESMTP id f9OBeZ634151; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:40:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20011024074004.02567da0@192.168.0.12> X-Sender: mdtancsa@192.168.0.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:40:34 -0400 To: "Lawrence Farr" From: Mike Tancsa Subject: RE: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A - test results Cc: In-Reply-To: <002501c15c7a$e15cded0$c806a8c0@lfarr> References: <001c01c15ba1$74cf9cf0$c806a8c0@lfarr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What are the management tools like for the card ? Any sense of stability ? ---Mike At 11:58 AM 10/24/2001 +0100, Lawrence Farr wrote: >Here are the results of a quick test of the Adaptec 2400A vs 3Ware 7xxx >Series. > >I have 4 x Western Digital WD100BB 100Gb Drives connected to an Adaptec >2400A controller >with 32Mb of cache setup as a Raid5 volume. >Using a simple script to generate a 1Gb file and read it back, I filled >the disk completely. > > >From the logs it generated: > >64Kb Stripe size: > >Pass 6 - 1048576 kb written in 89 seconds, at 11781 kb/Sec >Pass 6 - 1048576 kb read in 35 seconds, at 29959 kb/Sec >Pass 7 - 1048576 kb written in 88 seconds, at 11915 kb/Sec >Pass 7 - 1048576 kb read in 36 seconds, at 29127 kb/Sec > >256Kb Stripe size: > >Pass 6 - 1048576 kb written in 84 seconds, at 12483 kb/Sec >Pass 6 - 1048576 kb read in 42 seconds, at 24966 kb/Sec >Pass 7 - 1048576 kb written in 84 seconds, at 12483 kb/Sec >Pass 7 - 1048576 kb read in 43 seconds, at 24385 kb/Sec > >And the 3Ware in Raid5 using 8 disks, 64k Stripe size: > >Pass 23 - 1048576 kb written in 115 seconds, at 9118 kb/Sec >Pass 23 - 1048576 kb read in 15 seconds, at 69905 kb/Sec >Pass 24 - 1048576 kb written in 116 seconds, at 9039 kb/Sec >Pass 24 - 1048576 kb read in 15 seconds, at 69905 kb/Sec > >Not really a straight comparison as the 3Ware has more spindles, but >that's as quick as it goes. > >Iozone reckons: > >File size set to 10240 KB > Time Resolution = 0.000005 seconds. > Processor cache size set to 1024 Kbytes. > Processor cache line size set to 32 bytes. > File stride size set to 17 * record size. > random >random bkwd record stride > KB reclen write rewrite read reread read >write read rewrite read fwrite frewrite fread freread > 10240 4 17051 12833 201499 201916 168562 >6888 182840 310519 171512 16444 17486 171286 171409 > >It's a damn shame about 3Ware. > >Lawrence Farr >EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk >T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 24 4:54:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (paperboy.sixforty.co.uk [195.10.242.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDF337B405 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 04:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.1) id f9OBs5492672; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:54:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd-isp@epcdirect.co.uk) Delivered-To: mike@sentex.net Received: from lfarr (daisy.int.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.6.200]) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.1av) with ESMTP id f9OBs2Q92663; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:54:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd-isp@epcdirect.co.uk) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: "'Mike Tancsa'" Cc: Subject: RE: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A - test results Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:54:49 +0100 Message-ID: <002b01c15c82$aedff020$c806a8c0@lfarr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011024074004.02567da0@192.168.0.12> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There's an X based one, but I've not tried it. Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Tancsa [mailto:mike@sentex.net] Sent: 24 October 2001 12:41 To: Lawrence Farr Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A - test results What are the management tools like for the card ? Any sense of stability ? ---Mike At 11:58 AM 10/24/2001 +0100, Lawrence Farr wrote: >Here are the results of a quick test of the Adaptec 2400A vs 3Ware 7xxx >Series. > >I have 4 x Western Digital WD100BB 100Gb Drives connected to an Adaptec >2400A controller >with 32Mb of cache setup as a Raid5 volume. >Using a simple script to generate a 1Gb file and read it back, I filled >the disk completely. > > >From the logs it generated: > >64Kb Stripe size: > >Pass 6 - 1048576 kb written in 89 seconds, at 11781 kb/Sec >Pass 6 - 1048576 kb read in 35 seconds, at 29959 kb/Sec >Pass 7 - 1048576 kb written in 88 seconds, at 11915 kb/Sec >Pass 7 - 1048576 kb read in 36 seconds, at 29127 kb/Sec > >256Kb Stripe size: > >Pass 6 - 1048576 kb written in 84 seconds, at 12483 kb/Sec >Pass 6 - 1048576 kb read in 42 seconds, at 24966 kb/Sec >Pass 7 - 1048576 kb written in 84 seconds, at 12483 kb/Sec >Pass 7 - 1048576 kb read in 43 seconds, at 24385 kb/Sec > >And the 3Ware in Raid5 using 8 disks, 64k Stripe size: > >Pass 23 - 1048576 kb written in 115 seconds, at 9118 kb/Sec >Pass 23 - 1048576 kb read in 15 seconds, at 69905 kb/Sec >Pass 24 - 1048576 kb written in 116 seconds, at 9039 kb/Sec >Pass 24 - 1048576 kb read in 15 seconds, at 69905 kb/Sec > >Not really a straight comparison as the 3Ware has more spindles, but >that's as quick as it goes. > >Iozone reckons: > >File size set to 10240 KB > Time Resolution = 0.000005 seconds. > Processor cache size set to 1024 Kbytes. > Processor cache line size set to 32 bytes. > File stride size set to 17 * record size. > random >random bkwd record stride > KB reclen write rewrite read reread read >write read rewrite read fwrite frewrite fread freread > 10240 4 17051 12833 201499 201916 168562 >6888 182840 310519 171512 16444 17486 171286 171409 > >It's a damn shame about 3Ware. > >Lawrence Farr >EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk >T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 24 5: 9:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A9B37B403 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 05:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 1B07016B1C for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:09:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from IBM-HIRXKN66F0W.Go2France.com [66.64.14.18] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A2201650120; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:20:48 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20011024070643.0317e078@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:08:29 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: RE: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A - test results In-Reply-To: <002b01c15c82$aedff020$c806a8c0@lfarr> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20011024074004.02567da0@192.168.0.12> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 2400A: $320, is that the price I see? is the 32 mb cache expandalbe? Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 24 5:10:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7B637B403 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 05:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id f9OCA9X67648; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:10:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:10:09 -0500 From: Tim To: Mike Tancsa Cc: Lawrence Farr , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A - test results Message-ID: <20011024071009.A66895@futuresouth.com> References: <001c01c15ba1$74cf9cf0$c806a8c0@lfarr> <002501c15c7a$e15cded0$c806a8c0@lfarr> <5.1.0.14.0.20011024074004.02567da0@192.168.0.12> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20011024074004.02567da0@192.168.0.12>; from mike@sentex.net on Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 07:40:34AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We have a lightly loaded machine running the 2400S (old DPT Decade). I would imagine for the 2400A it's about the same. Adaptec publishes the management tools for the 2400S on their website for FreeBSD. Seems to work just fine. Doesn't have the web interface like 3ware though. I don't use X so I can't comment on that version. Sampel output included. Tim /usr/dpt # ./raidutil -L all RAIDUTIL Version: 3.04 Date: 9/27/2000 FreeBSD CLI Configuration Utility Adaptec ENGINE Version: 3.04 Date: 9/27/2000 Adaptec FreeBSD SCSI Engine # b0 b1 b2 Controller Cache FW NVRAM Serial Status --------------------------------------------------------------------------- d0 -- DPT PM1564U3 4MB 3013 DPT V1.0 03-009526 Optimal Physical View Address Type Manufacturer/Model Capacity Status --------------------------------------------------------------------------- d0b0t0d0 Disk Drive (DASD) IBM DORS-32160W !# 2063MB Optimal d0b0t1d0 Disk Drive (DASD) IBM DORS-32160W !# 2063MB Optimal Logical View Address Type Manufacturer/Model Capacity Status --------------------------------------------------------------------------- d0b0t0d0 RAID 1 (Mirrored) DPT RAID-1 2063MB Optimal d0b0t0d0 Disk Drive (DASD) IBM DORS-32160W !2063MB Optimal d0b0t1d0 Disk Drive (DASD) IBM DORS-32160W !2063MB Optimal Address Max Speed Actual Rate / Width --------------------------------------------------------------------------- d0b0t0d0 Ultra3 40 MB/sec wide d0b0t1d0 Ultra3 40 MB/sec wide Address Manufacturer/Model Write Cache Mode (HBA/Device) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- d0b0t0d0 DPT RAID-1 Write Back / -- d0b0t0d0 IBM DORS-32160W !# -- / Write Back d0b0t1d0 IBM DORS-32160W !# -- / Write Back # Controller Cache FW NVRAM BIOS SMOR Serial --------------------------------------------------------------------------- d0 DPT PM1564U3 4MB 3013 DPT V1.0 1.2H 1.11/1EI 03-009526 # Controller Status Voltage Current Full Cap Rem Cap Rem # Time --------------------------------------------------------------------------- d0 DPT PM1564U3 No battery Address Manufacturer/Model FW Serial 123456789012 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- d0b0t0d0 IBM DORS-32160W !# WA3E 5U5P5278 -XXXX--X-O-- d0b0t1d0 IBM DORS-32160W !# WA3E 5U5P5203 -XXXX--X-O-- Capabilities Map: Column 1 = Soft Reset Column 2 = Cmd Queuing Column 3 = Linked Cmds Column 4 = Synchronous Column 5 = Wide 16 Column 6 = Wide 32 Column 7 = Relative Addr Column 8 = SCSI II Column 9 = S.M.A.R.T. Column 0 = SCAM Column 1 = SCSI-3 Column 2 = SAF-TE X = Capability Exists, - = Capability does not exist, O = Not Supported On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 07:40:34AM -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > What are the management tools like for the card ? Any sense of stability ? > > ---Mike > > At 11:58 AM 10/24/2001 +0100, Lawrence Farr wrote: > >Here are the results of a quick test of the Adaptec 2400A vs 3Ware 7xxx > >Series. > > > >I have 4 x Western Digital WD100BB 100Gb Drives connected to an Adaptec > >2400A controller > >with 32Mb of cache setup as a Raid5 volume. > >Using a simple script to generate a 1Gb file and read it back, I filled > >the disk completely. > > > > >From the logs it generated: > > > >64Kb Stripe size: > > > >Pass 6 - 1048576 kb written in 89 seconds, at 11781 kb/Sec > >Pass 6 - 1048576 kb read in 35 seconds, at 29959 kb/Sec > >Pass 7 - 1048576 kb written in 88 seconds, at 11915 kb/Sec > >Pass 7 - 1048576 kb read in 36 seconds, at 29127 kb/Sec > > > >256Kb Stripe size: > > > >Pass 6 - 1048576 kb written in 84 seconds, at 12483 kb/Sec > >Pass 6 - 1048576 kb read in 42 seconds, at 24966 kb/Sec > >Pass 7 - 1048576 kb written in 84 seconds, at 12483 kb/Sec > >Pass 7 - 1048576 kb read in 43 seconds, at 24385 kb/Sec > > > >And the 3Ware in Raid5 using 8 disks, 64k Stripe size: > > > >Pass 23 - 1048576 kb written in 115 seconds, at 9118 kb/Sec > >Pass 23 - 1048576 kb read in 15 seconds, at 69905 kb/Sec > >Pass 24 - 1048576 kb written in 116 seconds, at 9039 kb/Sec > >Pass 24 - 1048576 kb read in 15 seconds, at 69905 kb/Sec > > > >Not really a straight comparison as the 3Ware has more spindles, but > >that's as quick as it goes. > > > >Iozone reckons: > > > >File size set to 10240 KB > > Time Resolution = 0.000005 seconds. > > Processor cache size set to 1024 Kbytes. > > Processor cache line size set to 32 bytes. > > File stride size set to 17 * record size. > > random > >random bkwd record stride > > KB reclen write rewrite read reread read > >write read rewrite read fwrite frewrite fread freread > > 10240 4 17051 12833 201499 201916 168562 > >6888 182840 310519 171512 16444 17486 171286 171409 > > > >It's a damn shame about 3Ware. > > > >Lawrence Farr > >EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk > >T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 > Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net > Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net > Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 24 7:44:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (paperboy.sixforty.co.uk [195.10.242.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFCE37B405 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.1) id f9OEiLt00162; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:44:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd-isp@epcdirect.co.uk) Delivered-To: tim@futuresouth.com Received: from lfarr (daisy.int.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.6.200]) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.1av) with ESMTP id f9OEiHQ00151; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:44:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd-isp@epcdirect.co.uk) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: "'Tim'" , "'Mike Tancsa'" Cc: Subject: RE: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A - test results Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:45:03 +0100 Message-ID: <003501c15c9a$78452180$c806a8c0@lfarr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20011024071009.A66895@futuresouth.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You're right. There is an excellent command line tool. Here's the output from it: RAIDUTIL Version: 3.04 Date: 9/27/2000 FreeBSD CLI Configuration Utility Adaptec ENGINE Version: 3.04 Date: 9/27/2000 Adaptec FreeBSD SCSI Engine # b0 b1 b2 Controller Cache FW NVRAM Serial Status ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- d0 -- -- -- ADAP2400A 16MB 370L ADPT 1.0 BB0D136077NDegraded Physical View Address Type Manufacturer/Model Capacity Status ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- d0b0t0d0 Disk Drive (DASD) WDC WD1000BB-32CCB0 95395MB Optimal d0b1t0d0 Disk Drive (DASD) WDC WD1000BB-32CCB0 95395MB Optimal d0b2t0d0 Disk Drive (DASD) WDC WD1000BB-32CCB0 95395MB Optimal d0b3t0d0 Disk Drive (DASD) WDC WD1000BB-32CCB0 95395MB Optimal Logical View Address Type Manufacturer/Model Capacity Status ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- d0b0t0d0 RAID 5 (Redundant ADAPTEC RAID-5 286185MB Impacted d0b0t0d0 Disk Drive (DASD) WDC WD1000BB-32CCB095395MB Optimal d0b1t0d0 Disk Drive (DASD) WDC WD1000BB-32CCB095395MB Optimal d0b2t0d0 Disk Drive (DASD) WDC WD1000BB-32CCB095395MB Optimal d0b3t1d0 Disk Drive (DASD) UNKNOWN --UNKNOWN-- 0MB Missing Address Max Speed Actual Rate / Width ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- d0b0t0d0 50 MHz 100 MB/sec wide d0b1t0d0 50 MHz 100 MB/sec wide d0b2t0d0 50 MHz 100 MB/sec wide d0b3t0d0 10 MHz 100 MB/sec wide Address Manufacturer/Model Write Cache Mode (HBA/Device) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- d0b3t0d0 WDC WD1000BB-32CCB0 Write Back / Write Back d0b0t0d0 ADAPTEC RAID-5 Write Back / -- d0b0t0d0 WDC WD1000BB-32CCB0 -- / Write Back d0b1t0d0 WDC WD1000BB-32CCB0 -- / Write Back d0b2t0d0 WDC WD1000BB-32CCB0 -- / Write Back d0b3t1d0 UNKNOWN --UNKNOWN-- -- / Write Through # Controller Cache FW NVRAM BIOS SMOR Serial ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- d0 ADAP2400A 16MB 370L ADPT 1.0 1.3W 1.12/52I BB0D136077N # Controller Status Voltage Current Full Cap Rem Cap Rem Time ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- d0 ADAP2400A No battery Address Manufacturer/Model FW Serial 123456789012 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- d0b0t0d0 WDC WD1000BB-32CCB0 22.0 WD-WMA9P1202105 -X-XX--X-O-- d0b1t0d0 WDC WD1000BB-32CCB0 22.0 WD-WMA9P1178545 -X-XX--X-O-- d0b2t0d0 WDC WD1000BB-32CCB0 22.0 WD-WMA9P1189459 -X-XX--X-O-- d0b3t0d0 WDC WD1000BB-32CCB0 22.0 WD-WMA9P1200054 -X-XX--X-O-- Capabilities Map: Column 1 = Soft Reset Column 2 = Cmd Queuing Column 3 = Linked Cmds Column 4 = Synchronous Column 5 = Wide 16 Column 6 = Wide 32 Column 7 = Relative Addr Column 8 = SCSI II Column 9 = S.M.A.R.T. Column 0 = SCAM Column 1 = SCSI-3 Column 2 = SAF-TE X = Capability Exists, - = Capability does not exist, O = Not Supported Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 24 10:37:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from nlaredo.globalpc.net (nld2.globalpc.net [207.193.206.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEA737B406 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ds9 (ds9.globalpc.net [207.193.204.57]) by nlaredo.globalpc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA01268 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:45:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adrianbsd@globalpc.net) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011024113752.00fed640@globalpc.net> X-Sender: adrianbsd@globalpc.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:37:52 -0500 To: From: Adrian Gonzalez Subject: RE: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A In-Reply-To: <001c01c15ba1$74cf9cf0$c806a8c0@lfarr> References: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340B2A@chat.dagupan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are there any other popular non-Adaptec IDE RAID solutions out there? I have an Adaptec 2100S with 4 15K rpm U160-SCSI drives and I can't say I'm terribly impressed with the 2100's RAID 0+1 performance. We also have a Mylex Acceleraid card with 3 10K U160's in RAID5 that is somewhat faster or at least as fast as the 2100 in 0+1 (too bad Mylex doesnt make any IDE cards). Should I expect the same lackluster performance from the 2400A? If I do get one, I'd install it with 4 IBM 60GXP's in RAID 0+1 config. Thanks -Adrian At 10:02 AM 10/23/01 +0100, Lawrence Farr wrote: >The 3Ware controllers are discontinued. I have a 2400A with 4x WD 100Gb >disks >which I am testing today. I'll post the results later. > >Lawrence Farr >EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk >T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of francisv@dagupan.com >Sent: 22 October 2001 15:31 >To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A > > >Hi, > >We're planning to buy either a 3Ware Escalade or an Adaptec 2400A ATA >RAID >adapter for our FreeBSD servers. Can you give me your feedback regarding >these products? BTW, are the Adaptec 2400A ATA RAID adapters supported >by >FreeBSD? It's supported according to Adaptec's website but I'd rather >get >the information from actual users. > >Thanks. > >--- > francis vidal [bitstop network services] > streaming media + web services > v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872 > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 24 16:11: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com (cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com [24.4.86.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8871637B40B for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bri@localhost) by cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9ONAh042476; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:10:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bri@sonicboom.org) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:10:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Whalen X-X-Sender: To: Adrian Gonzalez Cc: Subject: RE: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20011024113752.00fed640@globalpc.net> Message-ID: <20011024161000.B42462-100000@cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A few weeks back I heard that there are very reliable ide raid controllers based on an ami chipset? I have never used one, just somethin I heard. Brian "Sonic" Whalen Success = Preparation + Opportunity On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Adrian Gonzalez wrote: > > Are there any other popular non-Adaptec IDE RAID solutions out there? > > I have an Adaptec 2100S with 4 15K rpm U160-SCSI drives and I can't say I'm > terribly impressed with the 2100's RAID 0+1 performance. We also have a > Mylex Acceleraid card with 3 10K U160's in RAID5 that is somewhat faster or > at least as fast as the 2100 in 0+1 (too bad Mylex doesnt make any IDE cards). > > Should I expect the same lackluster performance from the 2400A? If I do > get one, I'd install it with 4 IBM 60GXP's in RAID 0+1 config. > > Thanks > > -Adrian > > At 10:02 AM 10/23/01 +0100, Lawrence Farr wrote: > >The 3Ware controllers are discontinued. I have a 2400A with 4x WD 100Gb > >disks > >which I am testing today. I'll post the results later. > > > >Lawrence Farr > >EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk > >T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of francisv@dagupan.com > >Sent: 22 October 2001 15:31 > >To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > >Subject: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A > > > > > >Hi, > > > >We're planning to buy either a 3Ware Escalade or an Adaptec 2400A ATA > >RAID > >adapter for our FreeBSD servers. Can you give me your feedback regarding > >these products? BTW, are the Adaptec 2400A ATA RAID adapters supported > >by > >FreeBSD? It's supported according to Adaptec's website but I'd rather > >get > >the information from actual users. > > > >Thanks. > > > >--- > > francis vidal [bitstop network services] > > streaming media + web services > > v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872 > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 24 20:31: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from backup.dagupan.com (www.psysc.org.ph [206.101.69.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F117C37B403 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by chat.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:44:50 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340B3B@chat.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A - test results Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:44:44 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Looks good. How is it supported in FreeBSD? Does the package include FreeBSD drivers and utilities? -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Farr [mailto:freebsd-isp@epcdirect.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 6:59 PM To: mike@sentex.net Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A - test results Here are the results of a quick test of the Adaptec 2400A vs 3Ware 7xxx Series. I have 4 x Western Digital WD100BB 100Gb Drives connected to an Adaptec 2400A controller with 32Mb of cache setup as a Raid5 volume. Using a simple script to generate a 1Gb file and read it back, I filled the disk completely. From the logs it generated: 64Kb Stripe size: Pass 6 - 1048576 kb written in 89 seconds, at 11781 kb/Sec Pass 6 - 1048576 kb read in 35 seconds, at 29959 kb/Sec Pass 7 - 1048576 kb written in 88 seconds, at 11915 kb/Sec Pass 7 - 1048576 kb read in 36 seconds, at 29127 kb/Sec 256Kb Stripe size: Pass 6 - 1048576 kb written in 84 seconds, at 12483 kb/Sec Pass 6 - 1048576 kb read in 42 seconds, at 24966 kb/Sec Pass 7 - 1048576 kb written in 84 seconds, at 12483 kb/Sec Pass 7 - 1048576 kb read in 43 seconds, at 24385 kb/Sec And the 3Ware in Raid5 using 8 disks, 64k Stripe size: Pass 23 - 1048576 kb written in 115 seconds, at 9118 kb/Sec Pass 23 - 1048576 kb read in 15 seconds, at 69905 kb/Sec Pass 24 - 1048576 kb written in 116 seconds, at 9039 kb/Sec Pass 24 - 1048576 kb read in 15 seconds, at 69905 kb/Sec Not really a straight comparison as the 3Ware has more spindles, but that's as quick as it goes. Iozone reckons: File size set to 10240 KB Time Resolution = 0.000005 seconds. Processor cache size set to 1024 Kbytes. Processor cache line size set to 32 bytes. File stride size set to 17 * record size. random random bkwd record stride KB reclen write rewrite read reread read write read rewrite read fwrite frewrite fread freread 10240 4 17051 12833 201499 201916 168562 6888 182840 310519 171512 16444 17486 171286 171409 It's a damn shame about 3Ware. Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 24 20:31:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from backup.dagupan.com (www.psysc.org.ph [206.101.69.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B491137B401 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by chat.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:19:34 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340B3A@chat.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:19:33 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Alexus, Thanks for the input, I really appreciate it. How about the Adaptec 2400A IDE RAID controller? Have you tested this on your FreeBSD machines? I heard that 3Ware is discontinuing it's Escalade product line -- I might get the Adaptec controller instead. -----Original Message----- From: alexus [mailto:ml@db.nexgen.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:01 PM To: francisv@dagupan.com; freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A i run 3ware.. maybe some people will disagree with me here.. but 3ware is *the* shitiest raid controller i had to deal with.. i'm used to use escalade 6800 and now i'm using escalede 7800 as far per card itself.. they are ok, especially 7800, very fast.. as far as support from bsd itself.. its fine too what's i really dont like about them is support from 3ware themself they released buggy utility and i've been running 3ware for a year now and for this whole year they released 2 new versions, which not all bug was fixed here is the most important one.. for some reason sometimes (most of the time) it will *NOT* let you rebuild RAID on the fly, you'll have to restart your computer into bios set to do it there and restart it again... i can't realy on that many reboot on production machines.. so for 3ware i can say NO adaptec on another hand.. i have 3200s and i never ever had anyproblem.. however one minus i found is that their utility made for X windows and not for web as 3ware.. so you need to have X server/client in order to manage your controller remotely other then that both cards are good ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: 3Ware Escalade vs. Adaptec 2400A > Hi, > > We're planning to buy either a 3Ware Escalade or an Adaptec 2400A ATA RAID > adapter for our FreeBSD servers. Can you give me your feedback regarding > these products? BTW, are the Adaptec 2400A ATA RAID adapters supported by > FreeBSD? It's supported according to Adaptec's website but I'd rather get > the information from actual users. > > Thanks. > > --- > francis vidal [bitstop network services] > streaming media + web services > v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 24 21:30:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from zeus.marinet.gr (www.marinet.gr [62.1.205.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6EF37B405; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athena ([62.1.154.6]) by zeus.marinet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA06905 for ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:05:36 +0300 Message-ID: <001001c15cbc$49e2ec60$120152a6@marinet.gr> From: "Sotiria Petrou" To: Subject: =?iso-8859-7?B?TWFyaW5ldCAtINDRz9PUwdTF2NTFINTPIMPRwdbFyc8g08HTIME=?= =?iso-8859-7?B?0M8g1M/V0yDJz9XTIA==?= Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:42:50 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; 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-0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (elite@localhost) by fantasy.telia.net (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9P7G9C81079; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:16:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from khaled@w-arts.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fantasy.telia.net: elite owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:16:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Khaled Daham X-X-Sender: To: Eric Veraart Cc: Subject: Re: RLX System 324 In-Reply-To: <3BD596BD.2E4EBE55@monkey-online.net> Message-ID: <20011025091251.O80782-100000@fantasy.telia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Eric Veraart wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone have experience with the RLX System 324 and Serverblade > cards? (http://www.rlxtechnologies.com/product/benefits/manage.html) > Seems real sweet, but I can't find anything about FreeBSD compatibility. > It runs RedHat 7.1 (or Win2k), has a Transmeta Crusoe processor, DIMM > memory and ATA HD's. But things like 10/100 nic are pretty vague. > > Anyone? I have no personal experience with them, I did however talk to RLX at their booth at the Orielly OpenSource Convention and they had tried both OpenBSD and FreeBSD and encountered no problem. They are pretty sweet, very low power consumption. /Khaled Daham, w.arts Mail: khaled@w-arts.com Cell: +46-70-6785492 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! http://www.FreeBSD.org/ This isn't rocket science -- but it _is_ computer science. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 25 8:52:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from xor.aubonne.virtua.ch (virtua.sefanet.ch [195.202.225.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7DE37B411 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from RATAMIAOU ([192.168.1.141]) by xor.aubonne.virtua.ch (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA04838 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:52:22 +0200 Message-ID: <00d201c15d6c$e96a6640$8d01a8c0@gastroleader.com> From: "Marcel Prisi" To: "BSD-ISP" Subject: Strange : apache dies ? Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:51:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all !!! I have lots of /kernel: pid 8312 (httpd), uid 65534: exited on signal 11 In my logs ... doesn't seem to cause visible troubles to the use of the site ... What might it be ?? any ideas ?? (bi-866 / 512Mb RAM / FreeBSD 4.4 release) Thanks !! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 25 8:57:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail9.megamailservers.com (mail9.megamailservers.com [216.251.36.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C53D37B403 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blake ([24.101.32.246]) by mail9.megamailservers.com (8.12.1/8.12.0.Beta10) with SMTP id f9PFvbj3040892; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:57:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Blake Crosby" To: "Marcel Prisi" , "BSD-ISP" Subject: RE: Strange : apache dies ? Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:57:09 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-reply-to: <00d201c15d6c$e96a6640$8d01a8c0@gastroleader.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I had the exact same problem Turns out it was mod_gzip that was causing it. Are you using mod_gzip? Blake > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Marcel Prisi > Sent: October 25, 2001 11:51 AM > To: BSD-ISP > Subject: Strange : apache dies ? > > > Hi all !!! > > I have lots of > > /kernel: pid 8312 (httpd), uid 65534: exited on signal 11 > > In my logs ... doesn't seem to cause visible troubles to the use > of the site > ... What might it be ?? any ideas ?? > > (bi-866 / 512Mb RAM / FreeBSD 4.4 release) > > Thanks !! > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 25 15:55:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.supercable.es (smtp.supercable.es [212.79.128.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC8C37B403 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 300amdk6 (cliente-217217250063.cm256.senpb.supercable.es [217.217.250.63]) by smtp.supercable.es (Switch-2.0.1/Switch-2.0.1) with SMTP id f9PMuIN18938 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:56:18 +0200 (MEST) From: "Manuel Jesus" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:47:06 +0200 Message-ID: <002501c15da6$f9252540$3ffad9d9@supercable.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C15DB7.BCADF540" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C15DB7.BCADF540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Saludos. 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------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C15DB7.BCADF540-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 0:24:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from arena.delfi.lv (mail.parks.lv [195.2.96.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5657537B403 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from matiss ([195.2.113.18]) by arena.delfi.lv (8.9.3/8.9.1/OL.cf-3.1) with SMTP id KAA04368 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:22:44 +0300 From: "Matiss Elsbergs" To: Subject: Migrating users Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:25:49 +0300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello there, I want to delete an 4.3 installation, and install 4.4. Question: is there a way to move all users to the new system, without adding them by hand? Is it possible? rgds, Matiss Elsbergs Astranet IS Systems Administrator matiss@bkc.lv To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 0:24:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from xor.aubonne.virtua.ch (virtua.sefanet.ch [195.202.225.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E3437B401 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from RATAMIAOU ([192.168.1.141]) by xor.aubonne.virtua.ch (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA09527; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:24:40 +0200 Message-ID: <006901c15def$2bd68310$8d01a8c0@gastroleader.com> From: "Marcel Prisi" To: "Blake Crosby" Cc: "BSD-ISP" References: Subject: Re: Strange : apache dies ? Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:23:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am not using mod_gzip ... I have a quite big mod_php4 (customized port with db3 support) and apache13+mod_ssl from the ports ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blake Crosby" To: "Marcel Prisi" ; "BSD-ISP" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:57 PM Subject: RE: Strange : apache dies ? > I had the exact same problem > > Turns out it was mod_gzip that was causing it. Are you using mod_gzip? > > Blake > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Marcel Prisi > > Sent: October 25, 2001 11:51 AM > > To: BSD-ISP > > Subject: Strange : apache dies ? > > > > > > Hi all !!! > > > > I have lots of > > > > /kernel: pid 8312 (httpd), uid 65534: exited on signal 11 > > > > In my logs ... doesn't seem to cause visible troubles to the use > > of the site > > ... What might it be ?? any ideas ?? > > > > (bi-866 / 512Mb RAM / FreeBSD 4.4 release) > > > > Thanks !! > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 1:43:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kermit.netivity.nl (wc-68.r-195-85-144.essentkabel.com [195.85.144.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF6637B403 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by KERMIT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:43:36 +0200 Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A02472526237A448@NETIVITY-FS> From: Enriko Groen To: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: jail, chroot, wrapper Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:43:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey people, I'm a bit confused (understatement) about jails, chroot and wrappers. I want to experiment with a chroot'ed daemon, but I don't know where to start. Should I use a wrapper to start off the daemon in a jail/chroot enviroment? Should/Can I use Wietse Veninga's wrappers for this? Or is it better to write a script/c-program myself which starts the daemon in the jail/chroot? -- Enriko Groen, Hosting manager -------------------------------------------------------- netivity bv www.netivity.nl enriko.groen@netivity.nl 038 - 850 1000 van nagellstraat 4 8011 eb zwolle -------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 1:50:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from relay.kiev.sovam.com (relay.kiev.sovam.com [212.109.32.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E686D37B401 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.109.32.117] (helo=dimitry-vm.kiev.sovam.com) by relay.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #4) id 15x2gw-0001An-00; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:50:14 +0300 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:50:13 +0300 From: Dmitry Alyabyev X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.51) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: Dmitry Alyabyev X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <113162977451.20011026115013@al.org.ua> To: "Marcel Prisi" Cc: "BSD-ISP" Subject: Re[2]: Strange : apache dies ? In-Reply-To: <006901c15def$2bd68310$8d01a8c0@gastroleader.com> References: <006901c15def$2bd68310$8d01a8c0@gastroleader.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Friday, October 26, 2001, 10:23:54 AM, Marcel Prisi wrote: > I am not using mod_gzip ... I have a quite big mod_php4 (customized port > with db3 support) and apache13+mod_ssl from the ports ... which version of Apache ? -- Dimitry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Blake Crosby" > To: "Marcel Prisi" ; "BSD-ISP" > > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:57 PM > Subject: RE: Strange : apache dies ? >> I had the exact same problem >> >> Turns out it was mod_gzip that was causing it. Are you using mod_gzip? >> >> Blake >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >> > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Marcel Prisi >> > Sent: October 25, 2001 11:51 AM >> > To: BSD-ISP >> > Subject: Strange : apache dies ? >> > >> > >> > Hi all !!! >> > >> > I have lots of >> > >> > /kernel: pid 8312 (httpd), uid 65534: exited on signal 11 >> > >> > In my logs ... doesn't seem to cause visible troubles to the use >> > of the site >> > ... What might it be ?? any ideas ?? >> > >> > (bi-866 / 512Mb RAM / FreeBSD 4.4 release) >> > >> > Thanks !! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 1:54:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from xor.aubonne.virtua.ch (virtua.sefanet.ch [195.202.225.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C75037B405 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from RATAMIAOU ([192.168.1.141]) by xor.aubonne.virtua.ch (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA10536; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:54:14 +0200 Message-ID: <00cb01c15dfb$ae9a0b30$8d01a8c0@gastroleader.com> From: "Marcel Prisi" To: "Dmitry Alyabyev" Cc: "BSD-ISP" References: <006901c15def$2bd68310$8d01a8c0@gastroleader.com> <113162977451.20011026115013@al.org.ua> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Strange : apache dies ? Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:53:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Friday, October 26, 2001, 10:23:54 AM, Marcel Prisi wrote: > > > I am not using mod_gzip ... I have a quite big mod_php4 (customized port > > with db3 support) and apache13+mod_ssl from the ports ... > > which version of Apache ? 1.3.20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 1:54:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.morning.ru (ns.morning.ru [195.161.98.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568A437B406 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NDNM ([195.161.98.250]) by ns.morning.ru (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f9Q8sdF46927; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:54:39 +0800 (KRAST) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:55:02 +0800 From: Igor Podlesny X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: Morning Network X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <16574723406.20011026165502@morning.ru> To: "Marcel Prisi" Cc: "BSD-ISP" Subject: Re: Strange : apache dies ? In-Reply-To: <00d201c15d6c$e96a6640$8d01a8c0@gastroleader.com> References: <00d201c15d6c$e96a6640$8d01a8c0@gastroleader.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi all !!! > I have lots of > /kernel: pid 8312 (httpd), uid 65534: exited on signal 11 > In my logs ... take a look at access log of Apache. I think it could be the bug described here http://www.apacheweek.com/issues/01-09-21 > doesn't seem to cause visible troubles to the use of the site > .... What might it be ?? any ideas ?? > (bi-866 / 512Mb RAM / FreeBSD 4.4 release) > Thanks !! > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Igor mailto:poige@morning.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 1:58:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from relay.kiev.sovam.com (relay.kiev.sovam.com [212.109.32.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3407A37B403 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.109.32.117] (helo=dimitry-vm.kiev.sovam.com) by relay.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #4) id 15x2oj-0002sU-00; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:58:17 +0300 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:58:16 +0300 From: Dmitry Alyabyev X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.51) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: Dmitry Alyabyev X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <85163458930.20011026115816@al.org.ua> To: "Marcel Prisi" Cc: "BSD-ISP" Subject: Re[4]: Strange : apache dies ? In-Reply-To: <00cb01c15dfb$ae9a0b30$8d01a8c0@gastroleader.com> References: <006901c15def$2bd68310$8d01a8c0@gastroleader.com> <113162977451.20011026115013@al.org.ua> <00cb01c15dfb$ae9a0b30$8d01a8c0@gastroleader.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Friday, October 26, 2001, 11:53:28 AM, Marcel Prisi wrote: >> Friday, October 26, 2001, 10:23:54 AM, Marcel Prisi wrote: >> >> > I am not using mod_gzip ... I have a quite big mod_php4 (customized port >> > with db3 support) and apache13+mod_ssl from the ports ... >> >> which version of Apache ? > 1.3.20 according to Announcement: The following bugs were found in Apache 1.3.20 and have been fixed in Apache 1.3.22: * Under certain circumstances a child may crash due to a bug in mod_include. If a server uses an ErrorDocument for 404 (request not found) errors which points to a server-parsed HTML file which uses a section, then a request containing %2f will result in a segfault. The segfault is harmless and does not cause a security problem, but is being triggered by the recent IIS worm Hope this helps ... -- Dimitry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 7:47:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from db.nexgen.com (db.nexgen.com [66.92.98.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E7E3137B401 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 07:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3200 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 14:47:18 -0000 Received: from localhost.nexgen.com (HELO alexus) (root@127.0.0.1) by localhost.nexgen.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 14:47:18 -0000 Message-ID: <004301c15e2d$210e2940$0d00a8c0@alexus> From: "alexus" To: "Matiss Elsbergs" , References: Subject: Re: Migrating users Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:47:26 -0400 Organization: NexGen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org just do upgrade from 4.3 to 4.4 that's all ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matiss Elsbergs" To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:25 AM Subject: Migrating users > Hello there, > > I want to delete an 4.3 installation, and install 4.4. Question: is there a > way to move all users to the new system, without adding them by hand? Is it > possible? > > rgds, Matiss Elsbergs > Astranet IS > Systems Administrator > matiss@bkc.lv > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 10: 7:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.latnet.lv (mail.latnet.lv [159.148.108.208]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80BC837B405 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25914 invoked by uid 64014); 26 Oct 2001 17:07:11 -0000 Received: from matiss@bkc.lv by mail with qmail-scanner-0.96 (. Clean. Processed in 0.047238 secs); 26 Oct 2001 17:07:11 -0000 Received: from weed.astranet.lv (HELO weird) (159.148.83.140) by mail.latnet.lv with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 17:07:11 -0000 Message-ID: <006901c15e40$a808c730$0300a8c0@weird> From: "Matiss Elsbergs" To: "alexus" Cc: References: <004301c15e2d$210e2940$0d00a8c0@alexus> Subject: Re: Migrating users Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:07:12 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't want to.. I want a brand new system (it's the same box, hdd will be new..) So is there a way? ----- Original Message ----- From: "alexus" To: "Matiss Elsbergs" ; Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:47 PM Subject: Re: Migrating users > just do upgrade from 4.3 to 4.4 > > that's all > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matiss Elsbergs" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:25 AM > Subject: Migrating users > > > > Hello there, > > > > I want to delete an 4.3 installation, and install 4.4. Question: is there > a > > way to move all users to the new system, without adding them by hand? Is > it > > possible? > > > > rgds, Matiss Elsbergs > > Astranet IS > > Systems Administrator > > matiss@bkc.lv > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 10:14:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from db.nexgen.com (db.nexgen.com [66.92.98.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F44237B401 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6445 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 17:13:55 -0000 Received: from localhost.nexgen.com (HELO alexus) (root@127.0.0.1) by localhost.nexgen.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 17:13:55 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c15e41$9c42c030$0d00a8c0@alexus> From: "alexus" To: "Matiss Elsbergs" Cc: References: <004301c15e2d$210e2940$0d00a8c0@alexus> <006901c15e40$a808c730$0300a8c0@weird> Subject: Re: Migrating users Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:14:02 -0400 Organization: NexGen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org it will be exactly the same as you would just install it from CD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matiss Elsbergs" To: "alexus" Cc: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Migrating users > I don't want to.. I want a brand new system (it's the same box, hdd will be > new..) > > So is there a way? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "alexus" > To: "Matiss Elsbergs" ; > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: Migrating users > > > > just do upgrade from 4.3 to 4.4 > > > > that's all > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matiss Elsbergs" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:25 AM > > Subject: Migrating users > > > > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > I want to delete an 4.3 installation, and install 4.4. Question: is > there > > a > > > way to move all users to the new system, without adding them by hand? Is > > it > > > possible? > > > > > > rgds, Matiss Elsbergs > > > Astranet IS > > > Systems Administrator > > > matiss@bkc.lv > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 10:26:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from omega.metrics.com (omega.metrics.com [204.138.110.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E29C37B419 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from syncro.metrics.com (syncro.metrics.com [204.138.110.20]) by omega.metrics.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05457 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by syncro.metrics.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:22:25 -0400 Message-ID: <6B3C6B6F7AA2D511A35E0080C86993435C74@syncro.metrics.com> From: "Haapanen, Tom" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Migrating users Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:22:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You'll need to recreate the home directories, and then you can copy the users over from /etc/master.passwd ----- Tom Haapanen -- Software Metrics/Equitrac Corp. Advanced Printing Solutions -- http://www.metrics.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Matiss Elsbergs [mailto:matiss@bkc.lv] Sent: Friday, 26 October, 2001 13:07 To: alexus Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Migrating users I don't want to.. I want a brand new system (it's the same box, hdd will be new..) So is there a way? ----- Original Message ----- From: "alexus" To: "Matiss Elsbergs" ; Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:47 PM Subject: Re: Migrating users > just do upgrade from 4.3 to 4.4 > > that's all > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matiss Elsbergs" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:25 AM > Subject: Migrating users > > > > Hello there, > > > > I want to delete an 4.3 installation, and install 4.4. Question: is there > a > > way to move all users to the new system, without adding them by hand? Is > it > > possible? > > > > rgds, Matiss Elsbergs > > Astranet IS > > Systems Administrator > > matiss@bkc.lv > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 10:34:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wanlogistics.net (mail.wanlogistics.net [63.209.114.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DB537B406 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (spdsl-033.wanlogistics.net [63.209.115.33]) by mail.wanlogistics.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03194; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:34:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bill@wjv.com) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id f9QHXxr07520; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:33:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bill) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:33:59 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: Matiss Elsbergs Cc: alexus , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Migrating users Message-ID: <20011026133358.F7009@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <004301c15e2d$210e2940$0d00a8c0@alexus> <006901c15e40$a808c730$0300a8c0@weird> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <006901c15e40$a808c730$0300a8c0@weird>; from matiss@bkc.lv on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 08:07:12PM +0300 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 08:07:12PM +0300, Matiss Elsbergs thus sprach: > I don't want to.. I want a brand new system (it's the same box, hdd will be > new..) > > So is there a way? Yes. Take your old /etc/master.passwd and compare it to the new one BEFORE you add any users to the new one. See that there are no conflicting accounts. There should not be as all users should come after the 1000 UID. Then cut the first part out of the old one. Use vipw on the new system and read the old file in at the tail. Also on the old system use your favorite archive tool, tar, cpio, or whatever, and take the user directories and move them to the new system. That way everything will match. On BSD it's a piece of cake. I've moved SysV password files after combing the passwd and shadow files and adding fields to match the extras ones in BSD. That was a pain But migrating from one edition of BSD to another is easy. I've done this on mail-servers - the biggest pain was moving the users from Irix to BSD. Later movement on BSDs systems was easy. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "alexus" > To: "Matiss Elsbergs" ; > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: Migrating users > > > > just do upgrade from 4.3 to 4.4 > > > > that's all > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matiss Elsbergs" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:25 AM > > Subject: Migrating users > > > > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > I want to delete an 4.3 installation, and install 4.4. Question: is > there > > a > > > way to move all users to the new system, without adding them by hand? Is > > it > > > possible? > > > > > > rgds, Matiss Elsbergs > > > Astranet IS > > > Systems Administrator > > > matiss@bkc.lv > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 11:57:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from db.nexgen.com (db.nexgen.com [66.92.98.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B99C137B406 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8178 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 18:57:37 -0000 Received: from localhost.nexgen.com (HELO alexus) (root@127.0.0.1) by localhost.nexgen.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 18:57:37 -0000 Message-ID: <001f01c15e50$185bd270$0d00a8c0@alexus> From: "alexus" To: "Haapanen, Tom" , References: <6B3C6B6F7AA2D511A35E0080C86993435C74@syncro.metrics.com> Subject: Re: Migrating users Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:57:43 -0400 Organization: NexGen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org you need a lot more then just /etc/passwd and /etc/master.passwd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haapanen, Tom" To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: RE: Migrating users > You'll need to recreate the home directories, and then you can copy the > users over from /etc/master.passwd > > ----- > Tom Haapanen -- Software Metrics/Equitrac Corp. > Advanced Printing Solutions -- http://www.metrics.com/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matiss Elsbergs [mailto:matiss@bkc.lv] > Sent: Friday, 26 October, 2001 13:07 > To: alexus > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Migrating users > > > I don't want to.. I want a brand new system (it's the same box, hdd will be > new..) > > So is there a way? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "alexus" > To: "Matiss Elsbergs" ; > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: Migrating users > > > > just do upgrade from 4.3 to 4.4 > > > > that's all > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matiss Elsbergs" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:25 AM > > Subject: Migrating users > > > > > > > Hello there, > > > > > > I want to delete an 4.3 installation, and install 4.4. Question: is > there > > a > > > way to move all users to the new system, without adding them by hand? Is > > it > > > possible? > > > > > > rgds, Matiss Elsbergs > > > Astranet IS > > > Systems Administrator > > > matiss@bkc.lv > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 12: 0:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from omega.metrics.com (omega.metrics.com [204.138.110.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA6F37B403 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:00:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from syncro.metrics.com (syncro.metrics.com [204.138.110.20]) by omega.metrics.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10827 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by syncro.metrics.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:56:38 -0400 Message-ID: <6B3C6B6F7AA2D511A35E0080C86993435C7B@syncro.metrics.com> From: "Haapanen, Tom" To: "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: Migrating users Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:56:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To migrate users? Password files and the home directories are the key ... I have done this often enough. ----- Tom Haapanen -- Software Metrics/Equitrac Corp. Advanced Printing Solutions -- http://www.metrics.com/ -----Original Message----- From: alexus [mailto:ml@db.nexgen.com] Sent: Friday, 26 October, 2001 14:58 To: Haapanen, Tom; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Migrating users you need a lot more then just /etc/passwd and /etc/master.passwd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 12: 4:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from db.nexgen.com (db.nexgen.com [66.92.98.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EEC3437B406 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8352 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2001 19:04:32 -0000 Received: from localhost.nexgen.com (HELO alexus) (root@127.0.0.1) by localhost.nexgen.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2001 19:04:32 -0000 Message-ID: <005201c15e51$10130b50$0d00a8c0@alexus> From: "alexus" To: "Haapanen, Tom" , References: <6B3C6B6F7AA2D511A35E0080C86993435C7B@syncro.metrics.com> Subject: Re: Migrating users Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:04:39 -0400 Organization: NexGen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org well duh.. ofcourse password files and home directories are the key! as it was mention earlier we only was talking about /etc/master.passwd and i said this one file is not enough maybe you've done it on linux... but in bsd you need to save/copy: home directory(s) /etc/passwd /etc/master.passwd /etc/pwd.db /etc/spwd.db enjoy it.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haapanen, Tom" To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:56 PM Subject: RE: Migrating users > To migrate users? Password files and the home directories are the key ... I > have done this often enough. > > ----- > Tom Haapanen -- Software Metrics/Equitrac Corp. > Advanced Printing Solutions -- http://www.metrics.com/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: alexus [mailto:ml@db.nexgen.com] > Sent: Friday, 26 October, 2001 14:58 > To: Haapanen, Tom; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Migrating users > > > you need a lot more then just /etc/passwd and /etc/master.passwd > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 12:21: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from java2.dpcsys.com (java2.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A158C37B401 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by java2.dpcsys.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f9QJKX450010; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:20:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Busarow To: alexus Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Migrating users In-Reply-To: <005201c15e51$10130b50$0d00a8c0@alexus> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Oct 26, alexus wrote: > well duh.. ofcourse password files and home directories are the key! > > as it was mention earlier we only was talking about /etc/master.passwd # pwd_mkdb -p master.passwd Creates all the other files for you Dan -- Dan Busarow 949 443 4172 Dana Point Communications, Inc. dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 15:58:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wanlogistics.net (mail.wanlogistics.net [63.209.114.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C9F37B401 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (spdsl-033.wanlogistics.net [63.209.115.33]) by mail.wanlogistics.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05756; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:58:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bill@wjv.com) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id f9QMwNI09356; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:58:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bill) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:58:22 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: alexus Cc: "Haapanen, Tom" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Migrating users Message-ID: <20011026185822.B9151@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <6B3C6B6F7AA2D511A35E0080C86993435C7B@syncro.metrics.com> <005201c15e51$10130b50$0d00a8c0@alexus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <005201c15e51$10130b50$0d00a8c0@alexus>; from ml@db.nexgen.com on Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 03:04:39PM -0400 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 03:04:39PM -0400, alexus thus sprach: > well duh.. ofcourse password files and home directories are the key! > > as it was mention earlier we only was talking about /etc/master.passwd > > and i said this one file is not enough > maybe you've done it on linux... but in bsd you need to save/copy: > home directory(s) > /etc/passwd > /etc/master.passwd > /etc/pwd.db > /etc/spwd.db If you've installed a new system you will no doubt notice there are more priveledge/system entries [UID less than 1000] than in older version. BIND for instance has it's own UID/GID as it now lives in a sandbox. I'd just take the real users from the old file and append them to the new master.passwd. Using vipw then your pwd.db will be created automatically. If you move those to the new system you might find that you have system type accounts that are not in the pwd.db. -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 26 18:26: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bofh.intranet.snsonline.net (CPE-61-9-137-28.vic.bigpond.net.au [61.9.137.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E37737B403 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MEGALITH (megalith.intranet.snsonline.net [192.168.0.4]) by bofh.intranet.snsonline.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f9R1OtG37693; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:24:56 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from msergeant@snsonline.net) Message-ID: <003c01c15e86$4a3c50e0$0400a8c0@MEGALITH> From: "Mark Sergeant" To: , "alexus" Cc: "Haapanen, Tom" , References: <6B3C6B6F7AA2D511A35E0080C86993435C7B@syncro.metrics.com> <005201c15e51$10130b50$0d00a8c0@alexus> <20011026185822.B9151@wjv.com> Subject: Re: Migrating users Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:25:37 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Also don't forget to move the /etc/group file across as well as the default setup when using adduser is to give each user their own group. Cheers, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Vermillion" To: "alexus" Cc: "Haapanen, Tom" ; Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re: Migrating users > On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 03:04:39PM -0400, alexus thus sprach: > > well duh.. ofcourse password files and home directories are the key! > > > > as it was mention earlier we only was talking about /etc/master.passwd > > > > and i said this one file is not enough > > > maybe you've done it on linux... but in bsd you need to save/copy: > > home directory(s) > > /etc/passwd > > /etc/master.passwd > > /etc/pwd.db > > /etc/spwd.db > > If you've installed a new system you will no doubt notice there are > more priveledge/system entries [UID less than 1000] than in older > version. BIND for instance has it's own UID/GID as it now lives in > a sandbox. > > I'd just take the real users from the old file and append them to > the new master.passwd. Using vipw then your pwd.db will be created > automatically. If you move those to the new system you might find > that you have system type accounts that are not in the pwd.db. > > > -- > Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 27 16:13: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from blue.frogfoot.net (blue.frogfoot.net [66.8.28.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C99D937B406 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8034 invoked by uid 1004); 27 Oct 2001 23:12:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:12:45 +0200 From: Johann Botha To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: punch_fw Message-ID: <20011028011245.A7860@blue.frogfoot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22i Organization: Frogfoot Networks X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux blue 2.2.19 (Athlon) X-GPG-Public-Key: http://blue.frogfoot.net/keys/frogfoot.gpg X-Uptime: 1:08am up 15 days, 10:10, 8 users, load average: 1.01, 1.09, 1.07 X-Edited-With-Muttmode: muttmail.sl - 2001-09-27 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! could anybody please point me to some docs on using punch_fw to get active ftp working using natd. man natd does not say much. an example config using ipfw's divert natd would be nice. -- Regards Johann "They mostly come at night, mostly" - Newt ______________________________________________________ Johann L. 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