From owner-freebsd-java Tue Apr 17 0:28: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from osku.suutari.iki.fi (osku.syncrontech.com [213.28.98.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD8237B424 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 00:28:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ari@suutari.iki.fi) Received: from coffee (adsl-nat.syncrontech.com [213.28.98.3]) by osku.suutari.iki.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14127; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:27:20 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ari@suutari.iki.fi) Message-ID: <008c01c0c70f$9853cec0$0e05a8c0@coffee> From: "Ari Suutari" To: "Koster, K.J." , "'FreeBSD Java mailing list'" References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B39@l04.research.kpn.com> Subject: Re: Orion on FreeBSD with linux jdk 1.3.0? Err, no. Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:25:35 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > Is there anyone who is using Orion on FreeBSD regularly with linux JDK > 1.3.0? I'm trying this, but I can safely say it runs like crap. > > Where in JDK 1.2.2 Orion runs in a single process and runs well, the 1.3.0 > version spawns several processes and then proceeds to coredump each and > every one of them in turn (signal 6). This is FreeBSD 4.3-RC as of last > friday. > > This is on three radically different machines that I've tried. (laptop, > server, desktop) > > What am I doing wrong? > Nothing, I guess :-( Altough at least I reported successful runs of Linpack benchmark with hotspot VM and linux jdk 1.3, I have been having similar problems with more complex apps (like Tomcat or JServ). I have assumed that there is something wrong with threads (which Linpack does not use but tomcat uses heavily). Ari S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Apr 17 2:14:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp9.xs4all.nl (smtp9.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5B137B423 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 02:14:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from remco@node10435.a2000.nl) Received: from azrael (node10435.a2000.nl [24.132.4.53]) by smtp9.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04010; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:14:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from remco by azrael with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14pRYS-0003Kq-00; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:13:48 +0200 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:13:48 +0200 From: "Remco van 't Veer" To: Ari Suutari Cc: "'FreeBSD Java mailing list'" Subject: Re: Orion on FreeBSD with linux jdk 1.3.0? Err, no. Message-ID: <20010417111348.A10849@node10435.a2000.nl> References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B39@l04.research.kpn.com> <008c01c0c70f$9853cec0$0e05a8c0@coffee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <008c01c0c70f$9853cec0$0e05a8c0@coffee>; from ari@suutari.iki.fi on Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 10:25:35AM +0300 X-Spook: KGB Noriega AKSO Legion of Doom alarm charge cryptographic RARA Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 10:25, Ari Suutari wrote: > Hi, > > > Is there anyone who is using Orion on FreeBSD regularly with linux JDK > > 1.3.0? I'm trying this, but I can safely say it runs like crap. > > > > Where in JDK 1.2.2 Orion runs in a single process and runs well, the 1.3.0 > > version spawns several processes and then proceeds to coredump each and > > every one of them in turn (signal 6). This is FreeBSD 4.3-RC as of last > > friday. > > > > This is on three radically different machines that I've tried. (laptop, > > server, desktop) > > > > What am I doing wrong? > > > > Nothing, I guess :-( > > Altough at least I reported successful runs of Linpack benchmark > with hotspot VM and linux jdk 1.3, I have been having similar problems > with more complex apps (like Tomcat or JServ). I have assumed that > there is something wrong with threads (which Linpack does not > use but tomcat uses heavily). > > Ari S. I am using linux jdk 1.3 (from the ports collection on a 4.3-RC updated last friday), edited jvm.cfg to put -classic on top of the list and the Enhydra appserver runs fine. It isn't very fast though, I guess I am bit spoiled after using hotspot on Linux. I've added OpenJIT (after compiling it on a Linux installation against BD jdk1.3) but I don't notice much of a performance gain. $ javavm -version java version "1.3.0_02" Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.0_02) Classic VM (build 1.3.0_02, green threads, OpenJIT) IOW, it works fine for me. HTH, Remco -- It is our mission to enthusiastically foster cutting edge methods of empowerment in technology and globally restore ethical content for 100% customer satisfaction. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Apr 17 4:59:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ipcard.iptcom.net (ipcard.iptcom.net [212.9.224.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA39337B43E; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 04:59:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from vic.sabbo.net (dialup10-35.iptelecom.net.ua [212.9.228.99]) by ipcard.iptcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA74529; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:59:40 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (big_brother.vega.com [192.168.1.1]) by vic.sabbo.net (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3HBx8761357; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:59:08 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <3ADC3018.9D9F7E08@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:59:21 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: uk,ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Uncle George , nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha References: <3AD882C5.EEEC722@voicenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Uncle George wrote: > whats going on with the alpha port of the Sun/JDK stuff ? > is there a port/effort? I just don't know. Perhaps Nate Williams or people at freebsd-java can shed some light on it. -Maxim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Apr 17 5:11: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.delfi.lv (smtp.delfi.lv [195.2.96.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0515137B43E for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 05:10:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from system@navigators.lv) Received: from mail.navigators.lv (mail.navigators.lv [195.2.96.201]) by smtp.delfi.lv (8.8.8/8.8.0) with ESMTP id f3HCAmf03881 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:10:48 +0300 Received: from shadow [159.148.46.39] by mail.navigators.lv (SMTPD32-6.06) id A2EB84AC0088; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:11:23 +0300 Message-ID: <00fd01c0c737$0d38f860$272e949f@shadow.care.lv> From: "Valentin Y." To: Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:08:02 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, all. Whats going on with the Java2 port? When we can expect binary package of Java 1.2.2? Is there any chance to see Java 1.3 for FreeBSD in this life? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Apr 17 5:24: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from osku.suutari.iki.fi (osku.syncrontech.com [213.28.98.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C266237B618 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 05:23:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ari@suutari.iki.fi) Received: from coffee (adsl-nat.syncrontech.com [213.28.98.3]) by osku.suutari.iki.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA14529; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:23:11 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ari@suutari.iki.fi) Message-ID: <014c01c0c738$eccabee0$0e05a8c0@coffee> From: "Ari Suutari" To: "Remco van 't Veer" Cc: "'FreeBSD Java mailing list'" References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B39@l04.research.kpn.com> <008c01c0c70f$9853cec0$0e05a8c0@coffee> <20010417111348.A10849@node10435.a2000.nl> Subject: Re: Orion on FreeBSD with linux jdk 1.3.0? Err, no. Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:21:25 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > I am using linux jdk 1.3 (from the ports collection on a 4.3-RC > updated last friday), edited jvm.cfg to put -classic on top of the > list and the Enhydra appserver runs fine. It isn't very fast though, > I guess I am bit spoiled after using hotspot on Linux. I've added > OpenJIT (after compiling it on a Linux installation against BD jdk1.3) > but I don't notice much of a performance gain. > > $ javavm -version > java version "1.3.0_02" > Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.0_02) > Classic VM (build 1.3.0_02, green threads, OpenJIT) > > IOW, it works fine for me. Classic VM sure works, it is the hotspot one that doesn't (and it would be very nice if it worked!). Ari S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Apr 17 6:23:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp6ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp6vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E77937B422; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:23:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gatgul@voicenet.com) Received: from voicenet.com (adsl-141-155-118-205.nyc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.155.118.205]) by smtp6ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11677160; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:27:56 GMT Message-ID: <3ADC5E38.E0D530D5@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:16:08 -0400 From: Uncle George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-4 alpha) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maxim Sobolev Cc: nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha References: <3AD882C5.EEEC722@voicenet.com> <3ADC3018.9D9F7E08@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was gonna ask them, but i see that u have forwarded ur response. These aren't lists are they ? I'm not on any freebsd lists yet /gat Maxim Sobolev wrote: > Uncle George wrote: > > > whats going on with the alpha port of the Sun/JDK stuff ? > > is there a port/effort? > > I just don't know. Perhaps Nate Williams or people at freebsd-java can > shed some light on it. > > -Maxim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Apr 17 6:26:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E8D37B43F; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:26:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2TM2B8VG>; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:26:32 +0100 Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B49@l04.research.kpn.com> From: "Koster, K.J." To: 'Maxim Sobolev' Cc: Uncle George , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: java for FreeBSD/alpha Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:26:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Maxim, > > > whats going on with the alpha port of the Sun/JDK stuff ? > > is there a port/effort? > > I just don't know. Perhaps Nate Williams or people at freebsd-java can > shed some light on it. > While the x86 port of JDK 1.2.2. is essenially stable for non-GUI work, we are still missing crucial bits of assembler for the Alpha architecture. It would be great if somone sat down and wrote the code, or perhaps someone would be so kind as to donate some of his work (hint, hint) to our porting effort. Kees Jan ================================================ You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Apr 17 8:27: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030BE37B42C; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:27:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25111; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:27:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25365; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:26:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15068.24769.146325.318029@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:26:57 -0600 (MDT) To: Maxim Sobolev Cc: Uncle George , nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha In-Reply-To: <3ADC3018.9D9F7E08@FreeBSD.org> References: <3AD882C5.EEEC722@voicenet.com> <3ADC3018.9D9F7E08@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > whats going on with the alpha port of the Sun/JDK stuff ? > > is there a port/effort? There is hardware in place to do the port, but so far no one has stepped up to the plate to do it. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Apr 17 8:43:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp7vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B165C37B43C; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:43:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gatgul@voicenet.com) Received: from voicenet.com (adsl-141-155-119-84.nyc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.155.119.84]) by smtp7ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11142119; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:51:15 GMT Message-ID: <3ADC7EBD.A5D5FE7E@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:34:53 -0400 From: Uncle George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-4 alpha) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Williams Cc: Maxim Sobolev , nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha References: <3AD882C5.EEEC722@voicenet.com> <3ADC3018.9D9F7E08@FreeBSD.org> <15068.24769.146325.318029@nomad.yogotech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So what does the ballfield look like ? /gat BTW i've noticed that blackdown has gotten involved with BSD et al. Any relationships ? any support from them ? BTW#2 are u (java/port) still involved with BSDi. what is their relationship now-a-days? /gat Nate Williams wrote: > > > whats going on with the alpha port of the Sun/JDK stuff ? > > > is there a port/effort? > > There is hardware in place to do the port, but so far no one has stepped > up to the plate to do it. > > Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Apr 17 8:46:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4488537B424; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:46:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25447; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:46:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25468; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:46:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15068.25961.466201.569075@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:46:49 -0600 (MDT) To: Uncle George Cc: Nate Williams , Maxim Sobolev , nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha In-Reply-To: <3ADC7EBD.A5D5FE7E@voicenet.com> References: <3AD882C5.EEEC722@voicenet.com> <3ADC3018.9D9F7E08@FreeBSD.org> <15068.24769.146325.318029@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC7EBD.A5D5FE7E@voicenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > So what does the ballfield look like ? I'm not sure I understand the question. I've got an Compaq-donated Alpha, running the Compaq-provided Linux-JDK in emulation mode that should be adequate enough to bootstrap a FreeBSD-native port. However, if history is at all a reflection os what we expect, the native Alpha port will be the *slowest* JVM in the world w/out a JIT. The Linux port is slower on the box than it is on my 486/66 box, so it's no speed daemon, that's for sure. > BTW i've noticed that blackdown has gotten involved with BSD et al. Any > relationships ? any support from them ? This is news to me. > BTW#2 are u (java/port) still involved with BSDi. what is their > relationship now-a-days? In a couple of weeks, there will be no BSDi. It's not obvious at this time if there will be a relationship. Nate > > > > whats going on with the alpha port of the Sun/JDK stuff ? > > > > is there a port/effort? > > > > There is hardware in place to do the port, but so far no one has stepped > > up to the plate to do it. > > > > Nate > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Apr 17 9: 1:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp6ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp6vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924DA37B422; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:01:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gatgul@voicenet.com) Received: from voicenet.com (adsl-141-155-119-84.nyc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.155.119.84]) by smtp6ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA12289174; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:05:18 GMT Message-ID: <3ADC831A.720F92CC@voicenet.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:53:30 -0400 From: Uncle George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-4 alpha) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Williams Cc: Maxim Sobolev , nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha References: <3AD882C5.EEEC722@voicenet.com> <3ADC3018.9D9F7E08@FreeBSD.org> <15068.24769.146325.318029@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC7EBD.A5D5FE7E@voicenet.com> <15068.25961.466201.569075@nomad.yogotech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I suppose thats like saying did compaq give u a 486 with 32mb mem, or a pentiun III/800mhz 512mb +32gig of 10k scsi III disks. so did u get a "noname" baseball field, or a "ds20" ( smp/500mhz ) type of baseball field to play upon. ( baseball players dont work do they? ) Since BSDi will no longer exist, how will u get license to distribute the binaries ? How will u get the license for the JCK tests for the jdk. Sorry to hit u with these questions when there appears to be some ( perceived ) turmoil with the porting efforts of the sun/jdk port - but how else will I know the extent of the commitment by sun/bsdi/freebsd /gat BTW the TYA jit cant/doesn't work on freebds/i386 ? Nate Williams wrote: > > So what does the ballfield look like ? > > I'm not sure I understand the question. I've got an Compaq-donated > Alpha, running the Compaq-provided Linux-JDK in emulation mode that > should be adequate enough to bootstrap a FreeBSD-native port. > > However, if history is at all a reflection os what we expect, the native > Alpha port will be the *slowest* JVM in the world w/out a JIT. The > Linux port is slower on the box than it is on my 486/66 box, so it's no > speed daemon, that's for sure. > > > BTW i've noticed that blackdown has gotten involved with BSD et al. Any > > relationships ? any support from them ? > > This is news to me. > > > BTW#2 are u (java/port) still involved with BSDi. what is their > > relationship now-a-days? > > In a couple of weeks, there will be no BSDi. It's not obvious at this > time if there will be a relationship. > > Nate > > > > > > whats going on with the alpha port of the Sun/JDK stuff ? > > > > > is there a port/effort? > > > > > > There is hardware in place to do the port, but so far no one has stepped > > > up to the plate to do it. > > > > > > Nate > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Apr 17 9: 6: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC48537B424; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:05:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25844; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:05:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25673; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:05:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15068.27106.728509.935881@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:05:54 -0600 (MDT) To: Uncle George Cc: Nate Williams , Maxim Sobolev , nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha In-Reply-To: <3ADC831A.720F92CC@voicenet.com> References: <3AD882C5.EEEC722@voicenet.com> <3ADC3018.9D9F7E08@FreeBSD.org> <15068.24769.146325.318029@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC7EBD.A5D5FE7E@voicenet.com> <15068.25961.466201.569075@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC831A.720F92CC@voicenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I suppose thats like saying did compaq give u a 486 with 32mb mem, or a > pentiun III/800mhz 512mb +32gig of 10k scsi III disks. Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.3-RC #5: Fri Apr 13 10:01:22 MDT 2001 nate@alpha.yogotech.com:/home/src/sys/compile/ALPHA Digital Personal Workstation (Miata) Digital Personal WorkStation 500au, 500MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=0 extensions=0x1 OSF PAL rev: 0x1000000020116 real memory = 132276224 (129176K bytes) avail memory = 122306560 (119440K bytes) nsphy0: on miibus0 nsphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto atapci0: port 0x9080-0x908f irq 1 at device 4.0 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 dc1: port 0x8100-0x817f mem 0x81081000-0x8108107f irq 12 at device 8.0 on pci1 dc1: interrupting at CIA irq 12 dc1: Ethernet address: 00:00:f8:06:85:26 dcphy0: on miibus1 dcphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto isp0: port 0x8000-0x80ff mem 0x81080000- 0x81080fff irq 16 at device 9.0 on pci1 isp0: interrupting at CIA irq 16 da0 at isp0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 4091MB (8380080 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 521C) Does that answer the question? > Since BSDi will no longer exist, how will u get license to distribute > the binaries ? How will u get the license for the JCK tests for the > jdk. Sun is working directly with the porting group as far as the 'distribution license', but the JCK test license is still up in the air. > Sorry to hit u with these questions when there appears to be some ( perceived > ) turmoil with the porting efforts of the sun/jdk port - but how else will I > know the extent of the commitment by sun/bsdi/freebsd > BTW the TYA jit cant/doesn't work on freebds/i386 ? Sure, but it doesn't work on the Alpha, AFAIK. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Apr 18 19: 8:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E5337B422 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:08:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14q3ri-000EIK-00 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 03:08:14 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3J28Dn21393 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 03:08:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 03:08:13 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: problems with jdk1.2 beta? Message-ID: <20010419030813.A21377@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi all, i need java 1.2 for school, and someone told me it was easy to install, so i gave it a try. i already have 1.1, so i ran the 1.2 port, and it complained that there is no 'solaris' directory during the pre-patch copy. i changed it to 'linux' in the makefile, then patch failed. I D/Led the latest source file, but it was NOT named what the makefile said to look for. But it was all Sun had. was this the wrong thing to do? jm -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org Bill's Law - "The speed of Windows halves every 18 months." ----------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Apr 19 2: 2:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2417A37B423 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:02:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2TM2CJGP>; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:02:41 +0100 Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B5E@l04.research.kpn.com> From: "Koster, K.J." To: 'j mckitrick' Cc: 'FreeBSD Java mailing list' Subject: RE: problems with jdk1.2 beta? Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:02:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Jonathan, > > i need java 1.2 for school, and someone told me it was easy > to install, so i > gave it a try. i already have 1.1, so i ran the 1.2 port, > and it complained > that there is no 'solaris' directory during the pre-patch > copy. i changed it to 'linux' in the makefile, then patch failed. > Sun's download procedure is stupid and their web site is slooow (yes, I'm in a bad mood). There are two "download" links next to the 1.2.2 source. The top one goes to the Linux-only source, which is what you downloaded and the bottom one goes to the proper sources. Get that one. > > I D/Led the latest source file, but it was NOT named what the > makefile said > to look for. But it was all Sun had. was this the wrong thing to do? > Yes, it was, but it's easy to redo right. :) Kees Jan ================================================ You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Apr 19 7: 5:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DA637B424 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:05:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14qF3V-000Krt-00; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:05:09 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3JE59p37846; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:05:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:05:09 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: Rasputin , freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems with jdk1.2 beta? Message-ID: <20010419150454.B37385@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20010419030813.A21377@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20010419095613.A24847@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20010419144453.A37385@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20010419150037.A37615@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20010419150037.A37615@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>; from rara.rasputin@virgin.net on Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:00:37PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org okay, NOW it's telling me my ALT_BOOTDIR does not point to a valid jdk. I have 1.1 installed, and it's telling me i need 1.2 to bootstrap 1.2? What kind of sense is that? jm -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org Bill's Law - "The speed of Windows halves every 18 months." ----------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Apr 19 9:18:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D4937B422 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:18:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2TM2CMTF>; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:18:21 +0100 Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B66@l04.research.kpn.com> From: "Koster, K.J." To: 'j mckitrick' Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: problems with jdk1.2 beta? Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:18:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Jonathon, Sorry for misspelling your name before. > > okay, NOW it's telling me my ALT_BOOTDIR does not point to a > valid jdk. I > have 1.1 installed, and it's telling me i need 1.2 to > bootstrap 1.2? What kind of sense is that? > *grin* I'm not sure why Sun did this. As it is, you need a 1.1.8 JDK, a 1.2.2 JDK and the Swing port for FreeBSD to build the native JDK. I have no good answer why, I just know what. There is a detailed description of the build process on my web site: http://kjkoster.org/java/index.jsp?page=content/howto.jsp Kees Jan ================================================ You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Apr 19 11: 2: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from gateway.3tec.com (cr156986-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.176.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD3537B422; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:01:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mchang@3tec.com) Received: from localhost (mchang@localhost) by gateway.3tec.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3JI1vi44414; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:01:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mchang@3tec.com) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:01:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Chang To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Allaire JRun Server and FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello everyone, Has anyone ever successfully setup Allaire's JRun Server 3.0 on FreeBSD? My educated guess is that Linux emulation must be running for JRun Server to operate. I'd like to know if any special configuration is required other than Linux emulation. Thank you for your input. Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Apr 19 11:17:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.coastsight.com (ns1.coastsight.com [208.46.230.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A3C37B42C; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:17:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maillist@coastsight.com) Received: from ns1.coastsight.com ([208.46.230.17]) by ns1.coastsight.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 14qJ03-000INL-00; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:17:51 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:17:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Duvall To: Mike Chang Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Allaire JRun Server and FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yeah, how do you make any allair stuff run on FreeBSD? I want to run Cold Fusion web server myself! Thanks. On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Mike Chang wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Has anyone ever successfully setup Allaire's JRun Server 3.0 on FreeBSD? > My educated guess is that Linux emulation must be running for JRun Server > to operate. I'd like to know if any special configuration is required > other than Linux emulation. > > Thank you for your input. > > Mike > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 5:25:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3113B37B423 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 05:25:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14qZyO-0006Pg-00 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:25:16 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3KCPFw57872 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:25:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:25:14 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: netbeans on BSD? Message-ID: <20010420132513.B57586@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone tried this? It looks like an awesome package. jm -- ------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org A fool repeats his mistakes. A smart man learns from his mistakes. A genius learns from the mistakes of others. ------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 5:56:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from daedalus.cs.brandeis.edu (daedalus.cs.brandeis.edu [129.64.3.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FFFF37B424 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 05:56:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meshko@daedalus.cs.brandeis.edu) Received: from localhost (meshko@localhost) by daedalus.cs.brandeis.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06785; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:55:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:55:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Kruk To: j mckitrick Cc: Subject: Re: netbeans on BSD? In-Reply-To: <20010420132513.B57586@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It worked for me under Linux JDK 1.2 emulalated. Was quite stable but impossible slow (P2-300) > > Has anyone tried this? It looks like an awesome package. > > jm > -- > ------------------------------------------- > Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org > A fool repeats his mistakes. > A smart man learns from his mistakes. > A genius learns from the mistakes of others. > ------------------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 6:49:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39B237B42C for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 06:49:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14qbHr-0008eJ-00; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:49:27 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3KDnPY59571; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:49:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:49:22 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: Mikhail Kruk Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: netbeans on BSD? Message-ID: <20010420144921.A59525@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20010420132513.B57586@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from meshko@cs.brandeis.edu on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 08:55:42AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 08:55:42AM -0400, Mikhail Kruk wrote: | It worked for me under Linux JDK 1.2 emulalated. Was quite stable but | impossible slow (P2-300) What a shame. This looks like a valuable tool. A nice java ide that ISN'T proprietary closed source. Can you recommend any other IDE's that at least have some basic object management and maybe a GUI editor? I am tired of spending an hour finding bugs with only vi, appletviewer, and a stack dump. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 7: 3:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from n4cnw.dyndns.org (user-24-214-19-33.knology.net [24.214.19.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B10437B43C for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:03:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from n4cnw@n4cnw.dyndns.org) Received: (from n4cnw@localhost) by n4cnw.dyndns.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3KE0v000723; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:00:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from n4cnw) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:00:57 -0500 From: Mike Murphree To: j mckitrick Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netbeans on BSD? Message-ID: <20010420090057.A705@n4cnw.dyndns.org> References: <20010420132513.B57586@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20010420144921.A59525@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010420144921.A59525@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>; from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:49:22PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:49:22PM +0100, j mckitrick wrote: > > What a shame. This looks like a valuable tool. > A nice java ide that ISN'T proprietary closed source. > > Can you recommend any other IDE's that at least have some basic object > management and maybe a GUI editor? > > I am tired of spending an hour finding bugs with only vi, appletviewer, > and a stack dump. No experience with it, but have you looked at BlueJ, http://www.bluej.org ? Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 7:34:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31C337B422 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:34:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rasputin@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14qbzg-00096x-00 for java@freebsd.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:34:45 +0100 Received: (from rasputin@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3KEYiD60657 for java@freebsd.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:34:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rasputin) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:34:44 +0100 From: Rasputin To: java@freebsd.org Subject: Jini on BSD Message-ID: <20010420153444.A60598@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Reply-To: Rasputin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quick question - anyone managed to get this working? I almost have, but JavaSpaces are giving me grief. Wondered if there were any quirks (specific to BSd of course; i.e. not the usual Sun 'peer review' SNAFUs) I was hoping to roll a port at some point, best wait till it's released I guess. Cheers. -- As of next week, passwords will be entered in Morse code. Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 7:37:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from exch01.projectseneca.com (w186.z208036141.was-dc.dsl.cnc.net [208.36.141.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73E637B424 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:37:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@parabon.com) Received: from parabon.com (limestone.projectseneca.com [192.168.0.105]) by exch01.projectseneca.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id JC2GT329; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:37:45 -0400 Message-ID: <3AE049B9.25C1AEA5@parabon.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:37:45 -0400 From: "Brian J. Sletten" Organization: Parabon Computation, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rasputin Cc: java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Jini on BSD References: <20010420153444.A60598@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Quick question - anyone managed to get this working? I tried quit some time ago and had some serious issues. There was some kind of networking issue that I never got resolved. The same code would work on a Linux machine, but not a BSD machine, even when using the same version of Java. -- It is more shameful to mistrust one's friends than to be deceived by them. -- La Rochefoucauld To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 7:45:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0300737B423 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:45:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2TM2CSWF>; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:45:30 +0100 Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B6D@l04.research.kpn.com> From: "Koster, K.J." To: 'Rasputin' Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Jini on BSD Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:45:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Rasputin, > > Quick question - anyone managed to get this working? > > I almost have, but JavaSpaces are giving me grief. > Could you elaborate? Error messages would be nice, for example. :) Kees Jan ================================================ You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 8:20:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F059737B43E for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:20:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rasputin@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14qciM-000BGi-00; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:20:54 +0100 Received: (from rasputin@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3KFKsP61895; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:20:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rasputin) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:20:54 +0100 From: Rasputin To: "Koster, K.J." Cc: java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Jini on BSD Message-ID: <20010420162054.A61719@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Reply-To: Rasputin References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B6D@l04.research.kpn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B6D@l04.research.kpn.com>; from K.J.Koster@kpn.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 04:45:26PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Koster, K.J. [010420 15:49]: > Dear Rasputin, > > > > > Quick question - anyone managed to get this working? > > > > I almost have, but JavaSpaces are giving me grief. > > > Could you elaborate? Error messages would be nice, for example. :) Sorry :) I just posted a novel to Sun's javaspace-users list, and didn't want to repeat myself in case you guys were on there too. Basically, I'm running Outrigger as a persistent space under rmid. I think. But nothing an connect to it. I'm pretty sure rmid is restarting services properly [by counting the number of child processes :) ] All the example applets only find the local lookup service, even the SpaceBrowser (which is odd). All the policy files are 'AllPermissions', I get no errors anywhere. The only non-standard setup I have is a) I serve *dl.jar files for clients with apache. b) My JavaSpace has a non-standard name. (I've overridden that where I could). The RayTrace example needs a lot of tweaking (i have to explicitly tell it to use the lookupservice on localhost, which I didn't think I'd need to) It them gets as far as 'waiting for NeoTokyo' (the space name) and just sits there, repeating that voer and over. I can't see any traffic across any interface (although I'm not sure yet what protocols/ports dicovery uses - multicast?) Without code for the examples themselves (maybe I'm missing it), it;'s very difficult to debug further. I'm not on the box at present, but I can forward the relevant batches to anyone who's interested.) This is using the latest FreeBSd native JDK and the Jini bundle, both installed last Sunday. Thanks. -- "Today, of course, it is considered very poor taste to use the F-word except in major motion pictures." -- Dave Barry, "$#$%#^%!^%&@%@!" Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 8:46:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp6ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp6vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2608537B43E; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:46:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gatgul@voicenet.com) Received: from voicenet.com (adsl-141-155-117-10.nyc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.155.117.10]) by smtp6ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA13363268; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:49:44 GMT Message-ID: <3AE059B6.2F002CB5@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:45:58 -0400 From: Uncle George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-4 alpha) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Williams Cc: Maxim Sobolev , nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha References: <3AD882C5.EEEC722@voicenet.com> <3ADC3018.9D9F7E08@FreeBSD.org> <15068.24769.146325.318029@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC7EBD.A5D5FE7E@voicenet.com> <15068.25961.466201.569075@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC831A.720F92CC@voicenet.com> <15068.27106.728509.935881@nomad.yogotech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org that a single 500mhz, 21164 processor ( akin to a pent II maybe, where the newer 21264 alpha chip has a sorta "doubler" ) with 4 gig disk. did u folks get a JIT with the java src code ( even if it is for the i386 ) . I suppose this would mean that SUN is treating u like the commercial guys, and not giving u crippled code. I'm curious as to why SUN does not want to support u folks with a JCK. this would at least make ur port as good as the blackdown folks. And i'm sure as good as the BSDi folks, as i would presume that BSDi would also have to have passed the JCK tests before the bin's are released for public consumption. would it be possible to also get the Java3D code. I'd also like to complete that code so I can get into the vrml/java code that some folks have been doing. If not, i'll have to go the the i386/linux side of things :{ Can u tell me where the official bsd/java web page is . Access to the Machine ? secured session via a secure VPN ? Nate Williams wrote: > > I suppose thats like saying did compaq give u a 486 with 32mb mem, or a > > pentiun III/800mhz 512mb +32gig of 10k scsi III disks. > > Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD 4.3-RC #5: Fri Apr 13 10:01:22 MDT 2001 > nate@alpha.yogotech.com:/home/src/sys/compile/ALPHA > Digital Personal Workstation (Miata) > Digital Personal WorkStation 500au, 500MHz > 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. > CPU: EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=0 extensions=0x1 > OSF PAL rev: 0x1000000020116 > real memory = 132276224 (129176K bytes) > avail memory = 122306560 (119440K bytes) > > nsphy0: on miibus0 > nsphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto > atapci0: port 0x9080-0x908f irq 1 at device 4.0 on pci0 > ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 > > dc1: port 0x8100-0x817f mem 0x81081000-0x8108107f irq > 12 at device 8.0 on pci1 > dc1: interrupting at CIA irq 12 > dc1: Ethernet address: 00:00:f8:06:85:26 > dcphy0: on miibus1 > dcphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto > isp0: port 0x8000-0x80ff mem 0x81080000- > 0x81080fff irq 16 at device 9.0 on pci1 > isp0: interrupting at CIA irq 16 > > da0 at isp0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled > da0: 4091MB (8380080 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 521C) > > Does that answer the question? > > > Since BSDi will no longer exist, how will u get license to distribute > > the binaries ? How will u get the license for the JCK tests for the > > jdk. > > Sun is working directly with the porting group as far as the > 'distribution license', but the JCK test license is still up in the air. > > > Sorry to hit u with these questions when there appears to be some ( perceived > > ) turmoil with the porting efforts of the sun/jdk port - but how else will I > > know the extent of the commitment by sun/bsdi/freebsd > > > BTW the TYA jit cant/doesn't work on freebds/i386 ? > > Sure, but it doesn't work on the Alpha, AFAIK. > > Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 8:52: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F043237B440; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:52:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07453; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13745; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:52:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15072.23328.902845.309887@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:52:00 -0600 (MDT) To: Uncle George Cc: Nate Williams , Maxim Sobolev , nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha In-Reply-To: <3AE059B6.2F002CB5@voicenet.com> References: <3AD882C5.EEEC722@voicenet.com> <3ADC3018.9D9F7E08@FreeBSD.org> <15068.24769.146325.318029@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC7EBD.A5D5FE7E@voicenet.com> <15068.25961.466201.569075@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC831A.720F92CC@voicenet.com> <15068.27106.728509.935881@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE059B6.2F002CB5@voicenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > that a single 500mhz, 21164 processor ( akin to a pent II maybe, where > the newer 21264 alpha chip has a sorta "doubler" ) with 4 gig disk. Sounds right. > did u folks get a JIT with the java src code ( even if it is for the > i386 ) . Well, we got the Solaris JIT for Sparc, but that's part of the stock download. Otherwise, we don't have a JIT. (Unlike the Blackdown folks who got a JIT for x86 only.) > I suppose this would mean that SUN is treating u like the commercial > guys, and not giving u crippled code. I get early drops and the whole nine-yards. Unfortunately, because Sun didn't own the early JIT (it was sub-licensed from Symantec), they don't give out source code to it. > I'm curious as to why SUN does not want to support u folks > with a JCK. We have access to the JCK. What we don't have is a binary distribution license. > would it be possible to also get the Java3D code. I'd also like to > complete that code so I can get into the vrml/java code that some > folks have been doing. If not, i'll have to go the the i386/linux side > of things :{ We'd need a port to the Alpha before any of that was done. :( Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 8:53:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from lennier.cc.vt.edu (lennier.cc.vt.edu [198.82.161.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E501C37B424 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:53:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alanlb@rrinc.com) Received: from mail.vt.edu (gkar.cc.vt.edu [198.82.161.190]) by lennier.cc.vt.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3KFrsu175132 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from madoka ([63.170.139.39]) by gkar.cc.vt.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with SMTP id <0GC300HXELHN2Q@gkar.cc.vt.edu> for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:53:47 -0400 From: Alan Subject: Re: netbeans on BSD? To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Message-id: <008c01c0c9b2$15f9fbc0$6401a8c0@madoka> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 References: <20010420132513.B57586@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have, using the linux jdk1.3 port on a dual Celeron-450 with 256MB running 4.3-RC-1. It dies with HotSpot, but is happy with the classic VM. It wasn't peppy -- just barely usable. /alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "j mckitrick" To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:25 AM Subject: netbeans on BSD? > > Has anyone tried this? It looks like an awesome package. > > jm > -- > ------------------------------------------- > Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org > A fool repeats his mistakes. > A smart man learns from his mistakes. > A genius learns from the mistakes of others. > ------------------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 10:33:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from crewsoft.com (ns.aenet.net [157.22.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E6937B423 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:33:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cedric@wireless-networks.com) Received: from [63.197.8.222] (account cberger@wireless-networks.com HELO wireless-networks.com) by crewsoft.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.2) with ESMTP id 609564; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:36:57 -0700 Message-ID: <3AE0731E.656169E4@wireless-networks.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:34:22 -0700 From: Cedric Berger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rasputin Cc: "Koster, K.J." , java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Jini on BSD References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B6D@l04.research.kpn.com> <20010420162054.A61719@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rasputin wrote: > I can't see any traffic across any interface > (although I'm not sure yet what protocols/ports dicovery uses - > multicast?) Yes, Discovery usually use multicasting (although there is an unicast discovery protocol too) Discovery Request Protocol use IP 224.0.1.85, port 4160 Discovery Announcement Protocol use IP 224.0.1.84, port 4160 It would be a good idea to test if multicasting works with you BSD box and BSD/Java combination before trying to play with Jini. Cedric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 10:37:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp5ve.mailsrvcs.net (smtp5vepub.gte.net [206.46.170.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C55137B43E; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:37:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gatgul@voicenet.com) Received: from voicenet.com (adsl-141-155-116-72.nyc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.155.116.72]) by smtp5ve.mailsrvcs.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA25131026; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:45:15 GMT Message-ID: <3AE073CA.181ACED4@voicenet.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:37:14 -0400 From: Uncle George X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-4 alpha) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Williams Cc: Maxim Sobolev , nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha References: <3AD882C5.EEEC722@voicenet.com> <3ADC3018.9D9F7E08@FreeBSD.org> <15068.24769.146325.318029@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC7EBD.A5D5FE7E@voicenet.com> <15068.25961.466201.569075@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC831A.720F92CC@voicenet.com> <15068.27106.728509.935881@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE059B6.2F002CB5@voicenet.com> <15072.23328.902845.309887@nomad.yogotech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate Williams wrote: > > that a single 500mhz, 21164 processor ( akin to a pent II maybe, where > > the newer 21264 alpha chip has a sorta "doubler" ) with 4 gig disk. > > Sounds right. > > > did u folks get a JIT with the java src code ( even if it is for the > > i386 ) . > > Well, we got the Solaris JIT for Sparc, but that's part of the stock > download. Otherwise, we don't have a JIT. (Unlike the Blackdown folks > who got a JIT for x86 only.) Is it in SRC form? or just the standard binary distribution. If its written in generic 'c', then maybe there is a chance to get it to go. I think that metrolink had at one time a generic JIT - i suppose u have to fill in the blanks for each CPU architecture. u also need to sign a NDA for it. I dont know if its still avail. > > > > I suppose this would mean that SUN is treating u like the commercial > > guys, and not giving u crippled code. > > I get early drops and the whole nine-yards. Unfortunately, because Sun > didn't own the early JIT (it was sub-licensed from Symantec), they don't > give out source code to it. > > > I'm curious as to why SUN does not want to support u folks > > with a JCK. > > We have access to the JCK. What we don't have is a binary distribution > license. > You dont ? then why would anybody want to work on this project IF its very likely that the end results will never see "light of day" . I originally thought u had license to distribute ( ie a bin license ) but no JCK to test like it once was with NON-COMMERCIAL licensees. do u have a (written) promise of a bin distribution license if u pass all of the JCK tests ? > > > would it be possible to also get the Java3D code. I'd also like to > > complete that code so I can get into the vrml/java code that some > > folks have been doing. If not, i'll have to go the the i386/linux side > > of things :{ > > We'd need a port to the Alpha before any of that was done. :( > Does that mean that Java3D is avail ( or contemplated ) for the i386/bsd port ? There are native routines that need to be ported, otherwise it would be listed as a "pure java" product. > > Nate Any official (officious) BSD/Java web site that u folks use to distribute info/binaries of the project ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 12:33:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2195B37B422; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:33:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11160; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:33:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14765; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:33:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15072.36620.925152.750311@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:33:32 -0600 (MDT) To: Uncle George Cc: Nate Williams , Maxim Sobolev , nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha In-Reply-To: <3AE073CA.181ACED4@voicenet.com> References: <3AD882C5.EEEC722@voicenet.com> <3ADC3018.9D9F7E08@FreeBSD.org> <15068.24769.146325.318029@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC7EBD.A5D5FE7E@voicenet.com> <15068.25961.466201.569075@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC831A.720F92CC@voicenet.com> <15068.27106.728509.935881@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE059B6.2F002CB5@voicenet.com> <15072.23328.902845.309887@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE073CA.181ACED4@voicenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > that a single 500mhz, 21164 processor ( akin to a pent II maybe, where > > > the newer 21264 alpha chip has a sorta "doubler" ) with 4 gig disk. > > > > Sounds right. > > > > > did u folks get a JIT with the java src code ( even if it is for the > > > i386 ) . > > > > Well, we got the Solaris JIT for Sparc, but that's part of the stock > > download. Otherwise, we don't have a JIT. (Unlike the Blackdown folks > > who got a JIT for x86 only.) > > Is it in SRC form? or just the standard binary distribution. If its written > in generic 'c', then maybe there is a chance to get it to go. Again, as I stated below, the early JIT is not Sun's, so they don't give out source code to it (even to commercial licensees). The commercial licensees either developed their own, or went JITless. > I think that > metrolink had at one time a generic JIT - i suppose u have to fill in the > blanks for each CPU architecture. u also need to sign a NDA for it. I dont > know if its still avail. I don't either. I don't believe the Blackdown folks ever used it, although I don't know for sure. > > > I suppose this would mean that SUN is treating u like the commercial > > > guys, and not giving u crippled code. > > > > I get early drops and the whole nine-yards. Unfortunately, because Sun > > didn't own the early JIT (it was sub-licensed from Symantec), they don't > > give out source code to it. > > > > > I'm curious as to why SUN does not want to support u folks > > > with a JCK. > > > > We have access to the JCK. What we don't have is a binary distribution > > license. > > You dont ? then why would anybody want to work on this project IF its very > likely that the end results will never see "light of day" . The original thinking was that Sun was going to allow a binary distribution. However, the licenses they've proposed have been unusable up to this point. > I originally > thought u had license to distribute ( ie a bin license ) but no JCK to test > like it once was with NON-COMMERCIAL licensees. That's what I thought as well (since that's how JDK1.1 stuff was licensed), but things changed in JDK1.2. You have to pass the JCK tests *and* have a valid distribution license. Sun gave us access to the former, but so far not the latter. > do u have a (written) promise of a bin distribution license if u pass > all of the JCK tests ? Sort of, but we'd be in violation of it the day we signed it, hence it's unusable. > > > would it be possible to also get the Java3D code. I'd also like to > > > complete that code so I can get into the vrml/java code that some > > > folks have been doing. If not, i'll have to go the the i386/linux side > > > of things :{ > > > > We'd need a port to the Alpha before any of that was done. :( > > > > Does that mean that Java3D is avail ( or contemplated ) for the i386/bsd > port ? It's certainly not off the scope, but w/out a basic J2SE, it's kind of a moot point. > Any official (officious) BSD/Java web site that u folks use to distribute > info/binaries of the project ? Again, we don't have any legal rights to distribute the binaries, so there is no 'official' (or unofficial for that matter) distribution site. The most up-to-date public material is in the archives of this list, and there is additional information at: http://www.freebsd.org/java. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 13:35:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAC737B422; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:35:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12202; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:35:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15116; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:35:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15072.40352.792415.841000@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:35:44 -0600 (MDT) To: Uncle George Cc: Nate Williams , Maxim Sobolev , nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha In-Reply-To: <3AE09CCC.D0675C39@voicenet.com> References: <3AD882C5.EEEC722@voicenet.com> <3ADC3018.9D9F7E08@FreeBSD.org> <15068.24769.146325.318029@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC7EBD.A5D5FE7E@voicenet.com> <15068.25961.466201.569075@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC831A.720F92CC@voicenet.com> <15068.27106.728509.935881@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE059B6.2F002CB5@voicenet.com> <15072.23328.902845.309887@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE073CA.181ACED4@voicenet.com> <15072.36620.925152.750311@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE09CCC.D0675C39@voicenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It is clear that that the "bin" licensing issue has not yet been > resolved. Is there any ETA on when this will happen. 9 months ago? Seriously, this is an ongoing process that just hasn't been resolved, despite the efforts of the JDK team, Sun product engineers, and (now former) employees of BSDi. There is a long and dark story I could give, but I'll avoid it. :) > It seems that at present nothing is ever going to happen if this has > not, or will not be resolved to every one's satisfaction. I would have > though that after some 6 months from the last announcement ( 10/2000 ) > that there would be some progress towards an amicable solution. Have you ever dealt with lawyers before? *grin* Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 13:50:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from crewsoft.com (ns.aenet.net [157.22.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C25937B422; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cedric@wireless-networks.com) X-csi-detect-spam: income_profit_fast_free Received: from [63.197.8.222] (account cberger@wireless-networks.com HELO wireless-networks.com) by crewsoft.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.2) with ESMTP id 609806; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:53:07 -0700 Message-ID: <3AE0A118.3D48F5F8@wireless-networks.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:50:32 -0700 From: Cedric Berger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Williams Cc: Uncle George , Maxim Sobolev , nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha References: <3AD882C5.EEEC722@voicenet.com> <3ADC3018.9D9F7E08@FreeBSD.org> <15068.24769.146325.318029@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC7EBD.A5D5FE7E@voicenet.com> <15068.25961.466201.569075@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC831A.720F92CC@voicenet.com> <15068.27106.728509.935881@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE059B6.2F002CB5@voicenet.com> <15072.23328.902845.309887@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE073CA.181ACED4@voicenet.com> <15072.36620.925152.750311@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE09CCC.D0675C39@voicenet.com> <15072.40352.792415.841000@nomad.yogotech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate Williams wrote: > > It is clear that that the "bin" licensing issue has not yet been > > resolved. Is there any ETA on when this will happen. > > 9 months ago? Seriously, this is an ongoing process that just hasn't > been resolved, despite the efforts of the JDK team, Sun product > engineers, and (now former) employees of BSDi. There is a long and dark > story I could give, but I'll avoid it. :) > > > It seems that at present nothing is ever going to happen if this has > > not, or will not be resolved to every one's satisfaction. I would have > > though that after some 6 months from the last announcement ( 10/2000 ) > > that there would be some progress towards an amicable solution. > > Have you ever dealt with lawyers before? *grin* Do you see any solution to this issue in the near future? Would it be good to start making some "noise" about that, sending a small story to JavaWorld and JavaLobby, for example? Cedric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 13:55:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BDE37B422; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:55:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12533; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:55:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15191; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:55:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15072.41524.879947.462095@nomad.yogotech.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:55:16 -0600 (MDT) To: Cedric Berger Cc: Nate Williams , Uncle George , Maxim Sobolev , nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha In-Reply-To: <3AE0A118.3D48F5F8@wireless-networks.com> References: <3AD882C5.EEEC722@voicenet.com> <3ADC3018.9D9F7E08@FreeBSD.org> <15068.24769.146325.318029@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC7EBD.A5D5FE7E@voicenet.com> <15068.25961.466201.569075@nomad.yogotech.com> <3ADC831A.720F92CC@voicenet.com> <15068.27106.728509.935881@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE059B6.2F002CB5@voicenet.com> <15072.23328.902845.309887@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE073CA.181ACED4@voicenet.com> <15072.36620.925152.750311@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE09CCC.D0675C39@voicenet.com> <15072.40352.792415.841000@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE0A118.3D48F5F8@wireless-networks.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > It is clear that that the "bin" licensing issue has not yet been > > > resolved. Is there any ETA on when this will happen. > > > > 9 months ago? Seriously, this is an ongoing process that just hasn't > > been resolved, despite the efforts of the JDK team, Sun product > > engineers, and (now former) employees of BSDi. There is a long and dark > > story I could give, but I'll avoid it. :) > > > > > It seems that at present nothing is ever going to happen if this has > > > not, or will not be resolved to every one's satisfaction. I would have > > > though that after some 6 months from the last announcement ( 10/2000 ) > > > that there would be some progress towards an amicable solution. > > > > Have you ever dealt with lawyers before? *grin* > > Do you see any solution to this issue in the near future? I *just* got off the phone with one of the J2SE managers, and we just canceled the BSD BOF at JavaOne. That shold give you a good idea on how soon I think this is going to get resolved. > Would it be good to start making some "noise" about that, sending > a small story to JavaWorld and JavaLobby, for example? Doubtful. The issue is one of resources more than anything else. BSDi promised some, then forgot for a very long time until a former employer picked up the ball. This employee has subsuquently been laid off, so anytime we start getting any momentum, we get the rull pulled out from under us. I'm beginning to think the whole project is cursed or something... Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 14:13: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from gnuppy.monkey.org (cx739861-a.dt1.sdca.home.com [24.5.164.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDC537B423; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:12:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billh@gnuppy.monkey.org) Received: from billh by gnuppy.monkey.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14qiCx-0000Nt-00; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:12:51 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:12:51 -0700 To: Nate Williams Cc: Cedric Berger , Uncle George , Maxim Sobolev , nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha Message-ID: <20010420141251.A653@gnuppy> References: <3ADC831A.720F92CC@voicenet.com> <15068.27106.728509.935881@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE059B6.2F002CB5@voicenet.com> <15072.23328.902845.309887@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE073CA.181ACED4@voicenet.com> <15072.36620.925152.750311@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE09CCC.D0675C39@voicenet.com> <15072.40352.792415.841000@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE0A118.3D48F5F8@wireless-networks.com> <15072.41524.879947.462095@nomad.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: <15072.41524.879947.462095@nomad.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:55:16PM -0600 From: Bill Huey Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:55:16PM -0600, Nate Williams wrote: > I *just* got off the phone with one of the J2SE managers, and we just > canceled the BSD BOF at JavaOne. That shold give you a good idea on how > soon I think this is going to get resolved. What's going on with that ? was I suppose to head to JavaOne or something ? > Doubtful. The issue is one of resources more than anything else. BSDi > promised some, then forgot for a very long time until a former employer > picked up the ball. This employee has subsuquently been laid off, so > anytime we start getting any momentum, we get the rull pulled out from > under us. > > I'm beginning to think the whole project is cursed or something... > > Nate Well, not if I'm involved. I've been actively trying to build the RC1 1.3.1 release of the JDK a couple of days ago on FreeBSD -current, but ran into some linker problems with the entry function for the bytecode machine. (ExecuteJava) My current technical track is: 1) Get all the initial JDK porting issues worked out on BSD/OS since I've folks that work with to resolve compiler tool chains & shared library issues. 2) Take this knowledge and integrate it into the FreeBSD build. That's the plan. bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 14:30:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from crewsoft.com (ns.aenet.net [157.22.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C195037B42C; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:30:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cedric@wireless-networks.com) X-csi-detect-spam: income_profit_fast_free Received: from [63.197.8.222] (account cberger@wireless-networks.com HELO wireless-networks.com) by crewsoft.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.2) with ESMTP id 609853; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:33:18 -0700 Message-ID: <3AE0AA83.9EB31349@wireless-networks.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:30:43 -0700 From: Cedric Berger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huey Cc: Nate Williams , Uncle George , Maxim Sobolev , nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha References: <3ADC831A.720F92CC@voicenet.com> <15068.27106.728509.935881@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE059B6.2F002CB5@voicenet.com> <15072.23328.902845.309887@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE073CA.181ACED4@voicenet.com> <15072.36620.925152.750311@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE09CCC.D0675C39@voicenet.com> <15072.40352.792415.841000@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE0A118.3D48F5F8@wireless-networks.com> <15072.41524.879947.462095@nomad.yogotech.com> <20010420141251.A653@gnuppy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Huey wrote: > > > > I'm beginning to think the whole project is cursed or something... > > > > Nate > > Well, not if I'm involved. I've been actively trying to build the > RC1 1.3.1 release of the JDK a couple of days ago on FreeBSD -current, but > ran into some linker problems with the entry function for the bytecode machine. > (ExecuteJava) > > My current technical track is: > > 1) Get all the initial JDK porting issues worked out on BSD/OS since I've > folks that work with to resolve compiler tool chains & shared > library issues. > > 2) Take this knowledge and integrate it into the FreeBSD build. > > That's the plan. And how is this going to help us on the licensing side? Cedric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 14:37:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from gnuppy.monkey.org (cx739861-a.dt1.sdca.home.com [24.5.164.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B81E37B440; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:37:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billh@gnuppy.monkey.org) Received: from billh by gnuppy.monkey.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 14qiaJ-0000pL-00; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:36:59 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:36:59 -0700 To: Cedric Berger Cc: Bill Huey , Nate Williams , Uncle George , Maxim Sobolev , nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha Message-ID: <20010420143659.B2066@gnuppy> References: <3AE059B6.2F002CB5@voicenet.com> <15072.23328.902845.309887@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE073CA.181ACED4@voicenet.com> <15072.36620.925152.750311@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE09CCC.D0675C39@voicenet.com> <15072.40352.792415.841000@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE0A118.3D48F5F8@wireless-networks.com> <15072.41524.879947.462095@nomad.yogotech.com> <20010420141251.A653@gnuppy> <3AE0AA83.9EB31349@wireless-networks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: <3AE0AA83.9EB31349@wireless-networks.com>; from cedric@wireless-networks.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:30:43PM -0700 From: Bill Huey Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:30:43PM -0700, Cedric Berger wrote: > And how is this going to help us on the licensing side? > Cedric One step at a time. You obvious can't have a binary release without a binary. ;-) bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Apr 20 14:45: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from crewsoft.com (ns.aenet.net [157.22.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A9A37B423; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:44:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cedric@wireless-networks.com) X-csi-detect-spam: income_profit_fast_free Received: from [63.197.8.222] (account cberger@wireless-networks.com HELO wireless-networks.com) by crewsoft.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.2) with ESMTP id 609872; Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:48:03 -0700 Message-ID: <3AE0ADF8.7FC8A00F@wireless-networks.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:45:28 -0700 From: Cedric Berger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Huey Cc: Nate Williams , Uncle George , Maxim Sobolev , nate@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: java for FreeBSD/alpha References: <3AE059B6.2F002CB5@voicenet.com> <15072.23328.902845.309887@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE073CA.181ACED4@voicenet.com> <15072.36620.925152.750311@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE09CCC.D0675C39@voicenet.com> <15072.40352.792415.841000@nomad.yogotech.com> <3AE0A118.3D48F5F8@wireless-networks.com> <15072.41524.879947.462095@nomad.yogotech.com> <20010420141251.A653@gnuppy> <3AE0AA83.9EB31349@wireless-networks.com> <20010420143659.B2066@gnuppy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Huey wrote: > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:30:43PM -0700, Cedric Berger wrote: > > And how is this going to help us on the licensing side? > > Cedric > > One step at a time. You obvious can't have a binary release without a binary. ;-) > > bill It's just that I don't understand your logic (but I'm probably missing something): Problem: - FreeBSD has a port of JDK 1.2.2 - FreeBSD cannot realease it due to licensing issues Solution: - develop a port of JDK 1.3.1 ???? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Apr 21 19:41:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from shikima.mine.nu (m546-mp1-cvx3b.bri.ntl.com [213.105.138.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2668037B42C for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:41:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rasputin@shikima.mine.nu) Received: from rasputin by shikima.mine.nu with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14r9oV-0000PO-00; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 03:41:27 +0100 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 03:41:26 +0100 From: Rasputin To: Cedric Berger Cc: java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Jini on BSD Message-ID: <20010422034126.A1559@shikima.mine.nu> Reply-To: Rasputin References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9B6D@l04.research.kpn.com> <20010420162054.A61719@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3AE0731E.656169E4@wireless-networks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AE0731E.656169E4@wireless-networks.com>; from cedric@wireless-networks.com on Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 10:34:22AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Cedric Berger [010422 03:22]: > Rasputin wrote: > > > I can't see any traffic across any interface > > (although I'm not sure yet what protocols/ports dicovery uses - > > multicast?) > > Yes, Discovery usually use multicasting (although there is an > unicast discovery protocol too) > Discovery Request Protocol use IP 224.0.1.85, port 4160 > Discovery Announcement Protocol use IP 224.0.1.84, port 4160 > I'm seeing outbound packets to 224.0.1.176 port 4160 - lots of them. My guess is this is either Mahalo or Outrigger trying to find Reggie. All of these run on a single box, so I'm going to try adding -Dcom.sun.jini.lookup.locator=jini://localhost to their setup JVM flags and see if that helps. > It would be a good idea to test if multicasting works > with you BSD box and BSD/Java combination before > trying to play with Jini. I don't really want multicast, this is a standalone system. Thanks for the tips, though. -- Rasputin Jack of All Trades :: Master of Nuns To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message