From owner-freebsd-small Sun Apr 1 15:23:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cruzio.com (dsl3i239.cruzio.com [205.179.211.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C18837B71B; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:23:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brucem@mail.cruzio.com) Received: (from brucem@localhost) by mail.cruzio.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f31MC7u00385; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:12:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brucem) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:12:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bruce R. Montague" Message-Id: <200104012212.f31MC7u00385@mail.cruzio.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: movsl generic_bcopy hang using NSC GX Geode CPU Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG System hangs on "rep movsl" in "generic_bcopy()" in "i386/i386/support.s" using NSC Geode (586) CPU. Not sure exactly what list is most appropriate, "hardware" and "small" seemed best. Using: OS: custom picoBSD (not one of the standard PICOBSD conf files) built on latest 4.3 RC cvsupped as of this weekend (end of March 2001). Problem has been completely solid over last month using 4.3 Beta, don't know about earlier versions. Hardware: NatSemi Geode GX 8.1 CPU (300 Mhz) on a National Semiconductor Centaurus "reference/development" motherboard (aka a Geode SP4GX00). PicoBSD must be built with a "cpu I586_CPU" option to run on this board. Problem: Pressing backspace (or delete, or cntrl-H) on the console with even number of text characters on the display line hangs the CPU. System/network otherwise runs fine. Backspace when using telnet into the system always works fine. Problem has never been reproduced under any other circumstances except console backspace with even number of cmd-line (or display-line) chars. The machine hangs on the "rep movsl" instruction in "generic_bcopy" (called via "bcopy_toio()" in syscons code "sc_vtb_copy()/scvtb.c" to scroll screen image). The code-block _will_ work if the equivalent "rep movsb" code is used instead of a movsl, _OR_ the unmodified "rep movsl" can be made to work if an immediately prior byte-wise scan has been made of the movsl source/dest buffers (just a for-loop *p++ before the "bcopy_toio()". The code path is routinely used w/o problems; when the "backspace-on-odd" problem occurs the input arguments appear `normal' although I have not attempted to check related buffer alloc/memory mapping... both the "from" and "to" addresses are often word (not longword) aligned, apparently without ill effect (the CR0 Alignment Check bit is set on in "locore.s" at system init and stays on). On an ASUS Pentium III motherboard this problem does not occur with the "same" picoBSD system (identical except built with cpu "I686_CPU"). I have not been able to detect any machine/interrupt activity after this instruction, but I am only using a post-code board (don't have a logic analyzer or ICE). This all suggests a mid--rep-instruction fault-failure scenario...? But... any additional advice, hints, directions, configs I've probably missed, etc., most welcome. I'm just going to live with the work-around for just know instead of chase it all the way down, maybe later... Work-around Fix: In routine "ENTRY(generic_bcopy)" in "i386/i386/support.s" remove the movsl longword copy optimization and just let the "rep movsb" do it all: ------------------------------- --- old_support.s Sun Apr 1 14:19:07 2001 +++ support.s Sun Apr 1 14:54:45 2001 @@ -450,12 +450,14 @@ cmpl %ecx,%eax /* overlapping && src < dst? */ jb 1f +#if 0 shrl $2,%ecx /* copy by 32-bit words */ cld /* nope, copy forwards */ rep movsl movl 20(%esp),%ecx andl $3,%ecx /* any bytes left? */ +#endif rep movsb popl %edi ------------------------------- Advice, insight, and help most appreciated! - bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Apr 1 21:17:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au (mailman.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8032837B71A; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:17:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: from bde.zeta.org.au (bde.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.102]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA00088; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:17:08 +1000 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:15:55 +1000 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-Sender: bde@besplex.bde.org To: "Bruce R. Montague" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: movsl generic_bcopy hang using NSC GX Geode CPU In-Reply-To: <200104012212.f31MC7u00385@mail.cruzio.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Bruce R. Montague wrote: > System hangs on "rep movsl" in "generic_bcopy()" in > "i386/i386/support.s" using NSC Geode (586) CPU. > ... > Problem: Pressing backspace (or delete, or cntrl-H) > on the console with even number of text characters > on the display line hangs the CPU. System/network > otherwise runs fine. Backspace when using telnet > into the system always works fine. Problem has > never been reproduced under any other circumstances > except console backspace with even number of cmd-line > (or display-line) chars. > > The machine hangs on the "rep movsl" instruction in > "generic_bcopy" (called via "bcopy_toio()" in > syscons code "sc_vtb_copy()/scvtb.c" to scroll screen > image). The code-block _will_ work if the equivalent > "rep movsb" code is used instead of a movsl, _OR_ > the unmodified "rep movsl" can be made to work if > an immediately prior byte-wise scan has been made > of the movsl source/dest buffers (just a for-loop > *p++ before the "bcopy_toio()". > > The code path is routinely used w/o problems; when > the "backspace-on-odd" problem occurs the input > arguments appear `normal' although I have not > attempted to check related buffer alloc/memory > mapping... both the "from" and "to" addresses are > often word (not longword) aligned, apparently without > ill effect (the CR0 Alignment Check bit is set on > in "locore.s" at system init and stays on). Alignment Check is only active at non-kernel privilege, and then only when enabled in eflags. > ... > This all suggests a mid--rep-instruction fault-failure > scenario...? But... any additional advice, hints, > ... I think it is more likely to be an alignment and/or access problem, caused by a combination of hardware and software bugs. Syscons shouldn't use generic_bcopy to access hardware. Note that it already knows not to use bcopy for hardware accesses. It abuses the implementation detail `generic_bcopy' on i386's and uses the unusual bcopy_{from,to}_io functions on other machines. It should use the bus space functions on all machines, but then it would have the problem of determining the ones with the correct width and/or alignment and/or highest efficiency (at least on alphas, the bcopy_{from,to}_io functions give the largest chance of working and the lowest efficiency by using a width of 1). However, frame buffers are supposed to look like ordinary memory. However2, video device memory has caused problems before: - syscons used to use plain bcopy in a few places. This caused problems when bcopy is i586_bcopy (which does 8-byte wide accesses). - pcvt still says that some chipsets have problems with even 16-bit accesses and uses bcopyb (byte copy) to access font memory. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Apr 2 11:13:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rgmail.regenstrief.org (rgmail.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B379B37B71D for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:13:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org) Received: from aurora.regenstrief.org (rgnout.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.38]) by rgmail.regenstrief.org (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id f32IFsA30127 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:15:54 -0500 Message-ID: <3AC8C147.950B1F41@aurora.regenstrief.org> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:13:27 +0000 From: Gunther Schadow Organization: Regenstrief Institute for Health Care X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: problems with DiskOnChip ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, please lend me a hand with DiskOnChip. I have one stone with 8 MB, it's got MD-2800-008 printed on the chip. I got FreeBSD-4.2-RELEASE. Configured as device fla0 at isa? and properly detected as in: fla0 at iomem 0xc8000-0xc9fff on isa0 fla0: fla0: 7.8MB (15920 sectors), 995 cyls, 16 heads, 1 S/T, 512 B/S Getting a disklabel onto them was a pain. But I have had a hard time with disklabeling since the old days of 386BSD were past. Someone's being too smart now :-). Anyway, I finally got the disklabel on, but it was pure luck. Playing around with whether or not to write the boot blocks etc. Once the disklabel was right I could newfs. But in disklabel and mount operations I get a bunch of stray interrupt (#7) warnings and it says that partition size != filesystem size or something. But I can read and write just fine. Except during boot. This is what happens: >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default: 0:ad(0,a)kernel.gz boot: ? . .. bin sbin usr mnt etc dev stand boot.config kernel.config kernel.gz var boot kernel (so it appears to be able to access the disk, reading the label from it) But when I try to boot I get this: >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default: 0:ad(0,a)? boot: kernel Disk error 0x1 (lba=0x1768) Invalid format Strange enough, I will get the same when I then try to boot from floppy instead: >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default: 0:fd(0,a)? boot: 0:fd(0,a)? . .. kernel.gz fs.PICOBSD.gz boot etc kernel.config boot.config config.tar.gz >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default: 0:fd(0,a)? boot: 0:fd(0,a)kernel.gz Invalid format So, may be the boot sector is still no good. Oh man, that means back to the argument with Mr. Disklabel :-( Here are dumps from fdisk and disklabel: ngigw1>fdisk fla0 ******* Working on device /dev/fla0 ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=995 heads=16 sectors/track=1 (16 blks/cyl) parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=995 heads=16 sectors/track=1 (16 blks/cyl) Media sector size is 512 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 1 is: The data for partition 2 is: The data for partition 3 is: The data for partition 4 is: sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 0, size 50000 (24 Meg), flag 80 (active) beg: cyl 0/ sector 1/ head 0; end: cyl 1023/ sector 63/ head 255 ngigw1>disklabel -r fla0 # /dev/fla0c: type: unknown disk: fla0s1 label: ngigw2-root flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 1 tracks/cylinder: 16 sectors/cylinder: 16 cylinders: 995 sectors/unit: 15920 rpm: 3600 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 15919 0 4.2BSD 512 4096 5 # (Cyl. 0 - 994*) c: 15919 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 994*) And this is what happens when I mount: ngigw1>mount /dev/fla0a /mnt stray irq 7 fla0: raw partition size != slice size fla0: start 0, end 15919, size 15920 stray irq 7 fla0c: start 0, end 15918, size 15919 Isn't this weird? The partition entry always slips from the first to the fourth partition. Trying to configure without a proper partition table (i.e., use raw disk) doesn't work either... What should I do, what's wrong here? Anybody having more luck with this? Any help is much appreciated! -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow@regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistent Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Apr 2 11:33:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BE837B72C for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:33:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA54242; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:32:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200104021832.UAA54242@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: problems with DiskOnChip ... In-Reply-To: <3AC8C147.950B1F41@aurora.regenstrief.org> from Gunther Schadow at "Apr 2, 2001 06:13:27 pm" To: Gunther Schadow Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:32:36 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Getting a disklabel onto them was a pain. But I have had a hard time > with disklabeling since the old days of 386BSD were past. Someone's > being too smart now :-). Anyway, I finally got the disklabel on, have a look at how picobsd does, it might help (the script is /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/picobsd) cheers luigi > but it was pure luck. Playing around with whether or not to write the > boot blocks etc. Once the disklabel was right I could newfs. But > in disklabel and mount operations I get a bunch of stray interrupt > (#7) warnings and it says that partition size != filesystem size > or something. But I can read and write just fine. > > Except during boot. This is what happens: > > >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT > Default: 0:ad(0,a)kernel.gz > boot: ? > . .. bin sbin usr mnt etc dev stand boot.config kernel.config kernel.gz var boot > kernel > > (so it appears to be able to access the disk, reading the label from > it) But when I try to boot I get this: > > >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT > Default: 0:ad(0,a)? > boot: kernel > Disk error 0x1 (lba=0x1768) > Invalid format > > Strange enough, I will get the same when I then try to boot from floppy > instead: > > >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT > Default: 0:fd(0,a)? > boot: 0:fd(0,a)? > . .. kernel.gz fs.PICOBSD.gz boot etc kernel.config boot.config config.tar.gz > > >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT > Default: 0:fd(0,a)? > boot: 0:fd(0,a)kernel.gz > Invalid format > > So, may be the boot sector is still no good. Oh man, that means back to > the argument with Mr. Disklabel :-( > > Here are dumps from fdisk and disklabel: > > ngigw1>fdisk fla0 > ******* Working on device /dev/fla0 ******* > parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: > cylinders=995 heads=16 sectors/track=1 (16 blks/cyl) > > parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: > cylinders=995 heads=16 sectors/track=1 (16 blks/cyl) > > Media sector size is 512 > Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 > Information from DOS bootblock is: > The data for partition 1 is: > > The data for partition 2 is: > > The data for partition 3 is: > > The data for partition 4 is: > sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) > start 0, size 50000 (24 Meg), flag 80 (active) > beg: cyl 0/ sector 1/ head 0; > end: cyl 1023/ sector 63/ head 255 > > ngigw1>disklabel -r fla0 > # /dev/fla0c: > type: unknown > disk: fla0s1 > label: ngigw2-root > flags: > bytes/sector: 512 > sectors/track: 1 > tracks/cylinder: 16 > sectors/cylinder: 16 > cylinders: 995 > sectors/unit: 15920 > rpm: 3600 > interleave: 1 > trackskew: 0 > cylinderskew: 0 > headswitch: 0 # milliseconds > track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds > drivedata: 0 > > 8 partitions: > # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] > a: 15919 0 4.2BSD 512 4096 5 # (Cyl. 0 - 994*) > c: 15919 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 994*) > > And this is what happens when I mount: > > ngigw1>mount /dev/fla0a /mnt > stray irq 7 > fla0: raw partition size != slice size > fla0: start 0, end 15919, size 15920 > stray irq 7 > fla0c: start 0, end 15918, size 15919 > > Isn't this weird? > > The partition entry always slips from the first to the fourth partition. > Trying to configure without a proper partition table (i.e., use raw disk) > doesn't work either... > > What should I do, what's wrong here? Anybody having more luck > with this? > > Any help is much appreciated! > -Gunther > > -- > Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow@regenstrief.org > Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care > Adjunct Assistent Professor Indiana University School of Medicine > tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Apr 2 11:58:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rgmail.regenstrief.org (rgmail.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F34C37B718 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:58:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org) Received: from aurora.regenstrief.org (rgnout.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.38]) by rgmail.regenstrief.org (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id f32J0YA30741 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:00:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3AC8CBBF.1C581F92@aurora.regenstrief.org> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:58:07 +0000 From: Gunther Schadow Organization: Regenstrief Institute for Health Care X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problems with DiskOnChip ... References: <200104021832.UAA54242@info.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG O.K. my problem seems to be solved! Here is something we should cast in HUGE RED LETTERS in stone: >>> WHEN LABELING A NEW DISK, ALWAYS ZERO THE FIRST SECTOR(S)! <<< This will prevent disklabel from complaining. Of course there's no point using a DiskOnChip with slices, what you want is dedicated disk. That's easy to do. Problem solved. (Except perhaps for the stray interrupt thing, which to me indicates a problem in the fla driver (not properly listening in on IRQ 7 ...?) regards -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow@regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistent Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Apr 2 12: 5:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.inode.at (flurry.inode.at [195.58.161.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF53437B71A for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 12:05:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mbretter@inode.at) Received: from line228.adsl.wien.inode.at ([213.229.7.228] helo=inode.at) by smtp.inode.at with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14k8f8-0000Zg-00 for small@freebsd.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:02:46 +0200 Message-ID: <3AC8CE32.C9F33B34@inode.at> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:08:34 +0200 From: Michael Bretterklieber X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems with DiskOnChip ... References: <3AC8C147.950B1F41@aurora.regenstrief.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gunther Schadow schrieb: > Hi, > > please lend me a hand with DiskOnChip. I have one stone with 8 MB, > it's got MD-2800-008 printed on the chip. > > I got FreeBSD-4.2-RELEASE. Configured as > > device fla0 at isa? > > and properly detected as in: > > fla0 at iomem 0xc8000-0xc9fff on isa0 > fla0: > fla0: 7.8MB (15920 sectors), 995 cyls, 16 heads, 1 S/T, 512 B/S > > Getting a disklabel onto them was a pain. But I have had a hard time > with disklabeling since the old days of 386BSD were past. Someone's > being too smart now :-). Anyway, I finally got the disklabel on, > but it was pure luck. Playing around with whether or not to write the > boot blocks etc. Once the disklabel was right I could newfs. But > in disklabel and mount operations I get a bunch of stray interrupt > (#7) warnings and it says that partition size != filesystem size > or something. But I can read and write just fine. > > Except during boot. This is what happens: > > >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT > Default: 0:ad(0,a)kernel.gz > boot: ? > . .. bin sbin usr mnt etc dev stand boot.config kernel.config kernel.gz var boot > kernel > > (so it appears to be able to access the disk, reading the label from > it) But when I try to boot I get this: > > >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT > Default: 0:ad(0,a)? > boot: kernel > Disk error 0x1 (lba=0x1768) > Invalid format > > Strange enough, I will get the same when I then try to boot from floppy > instead: I use 4 an 8 MB DiskOnChip. I modified the build-scripts from PicoBSD to produce dump-able images. - build-script: ca. Line 289: dialog --menu "Set floppy size" 15 70 5 \ 1440 "1.44MB" 1720 "1.72MB" \ 2880 "2.88MB" 3944 "DOC 4MB" 7960 "DOC 8MB" 2> ${RISU} || rm ${RISU} - stage1-script: ca. Line 181: if [ ${FLOPPY_SIZE} = "3944" ]; then disklabel -Brw -b /boot/boot1 -s /boot/boot2 /dev/rvn0 doc2k4 || \ fail $? disklabel elif [ ${FLOPPY_SIZE} = "7960" ]; then disklabel -Brw -b /boot/boot1 -s /boot/boot2 /dev/rvn0 doc2k8 || \ fail $? disklabel else disklabel -Brw -b /boot/boot1 -s /boot/boot2 /dev/rvn0 fd1440 || \ fail $? disklabel fi Here are my /etc/disktab entries: doc2k4|DiskOnChip 2000 4MB Chip:\ :dt=ESDI:ty=winchester:se#512:nt#512:nt#8:ns#1:nc#986:\ :pa#7888:oa#0:ba#0:fa#0:ta=4.2BSD:\ :pc#7888:oc#0:bc#0:fc#0: doc2k8|DiskOnChip 2000 8MB Chip:\ :dt=ESDI:ty=winchester:se#512:nt#512:nt#16:ns#1:nc#995:\ :pa#15920:oa#0:ba#0:fa#0:ta=4.2BSD:\ :pc#15920:oc#0:bc#0:fc#0: It works great, but I found, if the gziped mfs-tree exceeds a significant size, weird things happen with the boot-loader. First the loader can not read the loader.rc-file. It seems, that the file ist empty, but it isn't. If the mfs-tree image grows more and more, than the loader produces DiskErrors. I use PicoBSD based on 3.5.1, but after FreeBSD 4.3 is released, I try PicoBSD based this and maybe this error does'nt exist any more (I hope so). bye, -- -------------------------------------- E-mail: Michael.Bretterklieber@jawa.at ---------------------------- JAWA MANAGEMENT und SOFTWARE Liebenauer Hauptstr. 200 A-8041 GRAZ Tel: ++43-(0)316-403274-12 Fax: ++43-(0)316-403274-10 GSM: ++43-(0)676-93 96 698 homepage: http://www.jawa.at --------- privat ----------- E-mail: mbretter@inode.at homepage: http://www.inode.at/mbretter -------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Apr 2 15:11: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cruzio.com (dsl3i239.cruzio.com [205.179.211.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02E637B71E for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:10:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brucem@mail.cruzio.com) Received: (from brucem@localhost) by mail.cruzio.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f32LxwW00390; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:59:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brucem) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:59:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bruce R. Montague" Message-Id: <200104022159.f32LxwW00390@mail.cruzio.com> To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org, gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org Subject: Re: problems with DiskOnChip ... Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is basically what I have been using to format the 8 M DiskOnChip (and put a bootable picoBSD on it), I'm not sure its the best way, but works ok without errors other than a disklabel warning about the partition c use flag: ----------------- dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/fla0c count=100 dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/fla0c count=100 disklabel -r -w /dev/fla0c doct newfs /dev/fla0c mount /dev/fla0c /mnt mount /dev/fd0c /mnt1 cp /mnt1/kernel /mnt umount /mnt umount /mnt1 disklabel -r -B -b /boot/boot1 -s /boot/boot2 /dev/fla0c ----------------- Using this disktab "doct" entry: ---------------- doct:ty=removable:dt=DOC2K:se#512:nt#1:rm#300:\ :ns#15920:nc#1:\ :pa#15920:oa#0:ba#4096:fa#512:\ :pc#15920:oc#0:bc#4096:fc#512: --------------- I used "removable" so as not to write a DOS partition MBR. Of course, you might not need to copy the kernel and bootstraps. I've found it useful on the 8M DOC to keep a backup "kernel.old" and my development picoBSD kernel that I copy over the net. Convenient and works well. - bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Apr 2 17: 6:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from tao.org.uk (genesis.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC21737B718 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:06:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@tao.org.uk) Received: by tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id 60855313F; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 01:06:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 01:06:40 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Gunther Schadow Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problems with DiskOnChip ... Message-ID: <20010403010640.B97637@tao.org.uk> References: <200104021832.UAA54242@info.iet.unipi.it> <3AC8CBBF.1C581F92@aurora.regenstrief.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Fba/0zbH8Xs+Fj9o" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AC8CBBF.1C581F92@aurora.regenstrief.org>; from gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 06:58:07PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Fba/0zbH8Xs+Fj9o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 06:58:07PM +0000, Gunther Schadow wrote: > O.K. my problem seems to be solved! Here is something we should > cast in HUGE RED LETTERS in stone: >=20 > >>> WHEN LABELING A NEW DISK, ALWAYS ZERO THE FIRST SECTOR(S)! <<< I believe that this has been fixed from 4.3 onwards, i.e. it zeros these sectors for you. Joe --Fba/0zbH8Xs+Fj9o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrJFA8ACgkQXVIcjOaxUBZLxQCfT5Jm+tpuGw8Du5tDiL+HqYTF Bo0Anjo1LAicCHPwSoZDaLJAFsg/axOL =xJl+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Fba/0zbH8Xs+Fj9o-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Apr 2 17:11:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E1037B726 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:11:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f330BCq16783; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:11:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200104030011.f330BCq16783@harmony.village.org> To: Josef Karthauser Subject: Re: problems with DiskOnChip ... Cc: Gunther Schadow , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Apr 2001 01:06:40 BST." <20010403010640.B97637@tao.org.uk> References: <20010403010640.B97637@tao.org.uk> <200104021832.UAA54242@info.iet.unipi.it> <3AC8CBBF.1C581F92@aurora.regenstrief.org> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:09:57 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20010403010640.B97637@tao.org.uk> Josef Karthauser writes: : I believe that this has been fixed from 4.3 onwards, i.e. it zeros these : sectors for you. Not necessarily. It handles things better than before, however. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Apr 2 18:32:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from web13508.mail.yahoo.com (web13508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ABC6337B727 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:32:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dyeske@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010403013221.24044.qmail@web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.81.49.127] by web13508.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:32:21 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 18:32:21 -0700 (PDT) From: David Yeske Subject: Re: problems with DiskOnChip ... To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3AC8CBBF.1C581F92@aurora.regenstrief.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have seen that irq situation when I take out the parallel port support from the kernel but I leave the parallel port on in the bios... Regards, David Yeske --- Gunther Schadow wrote: > O.K. my problem seems to be solved! Here is something we should > cast in HUGE RED LETTERS in stone: > > >>> WHEN LABELING A NEW DISK, ALWAYS ZERO THE FIRST SECTOR(S)! <<< > > This will prevent disklabel from complaining. > > Of course there's no point using a DiskOnChip with slices, what > you want is dedicated disk. That's easy to do. > > Problem solved. (Except perhaps for the stray interrupt thing, which > to me indicates a problem in the fla driver (not properly listening > in on IRQ 7 ...?) > > regards > -Gunther > > -- > Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow@regenstrief.org > Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care > Adjunct Assistent Professor Indiana University School of Medicine > tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Apr 2 21:37:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from gta.com (mailgate.gta.com [199.120.225.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878D737B71B for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:37:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lab@gta.com) Received: from gta.com (GTA internal mail system) by gta.com id AAA36735; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200104030436.AAA36735@gta.com> From: Larry Baird To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Cc: Michael Bretterklieber Subject: Re: problems with DiskOnChip ... In-Reply-To: <3AC8CE32.C9F33B34@gta.com> User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It works great, but I found, if the gziped mfs-tree exceeds a significant size, > weird things happen with the boot-loader. > First the loader can not read the loader.rc-file. It seems, that the file ist empty, > but it isn't. > If the mfs-tree image grows more and more, than the loader produces DiskErrors. > I use PicoBSD based on 3.5.1, but after FreeBSD 4.3 is released, I try PicoBSD based > this and maybe this error does'nt exist any more (I hope so). I spent a few days a year or two back tring to solve this problem. As I remember, the BIOS interface for the DOC seemed to be broken. The mapping (cyl,sec,head) used by the DOC exceeds the maximum cylinder number for the int13 call that boot1 uses. Search the archives and you should find some ramblings from me when I had a better handle on the problem. I have since switched to Compact Flash and DiskonModules (http://www.pqi.com.tw). More recently I seem to be using Compact Flash only. The Compact Flash seems to have the lowest failure rate and it is also very cost effective. Larry -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Larry Baird | http://www.gnatbox.com Global Technology Associates, Inc. | Orlando, FL Email: lab@gta.com | TEL 407-380-0220, FAX 407-380-6080 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Apr 3 9:42:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rgmail.regenstrief.org (rgmail.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C2337B71F for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:42:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org) Received: from aurora.regenstrief.org (rgnout.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.38]) by rgmail.regenstrief.org (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id f33Gj8A08522 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 11:45:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3AC9FD88.34CEF268@aurora.regenstrief.org> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:42:48 +0000 From: Gunther Schadow Organization: Regenstrief Institute for Health Care X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: what do the bytes 85 170 at location 510 in the fs image mean? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I am looking at the PicoBSD build/Makefile wondering what this awk 'BEGIN {printf "%c%c", 85, 170}' | \ dd of=$(FS_NAME) obs=1 seek=510 conv=notrunc is supposed to do. I mean, I understand what it does, but not why it needs this kind of magic? Why don't we just vnconfig the file of the right size, disklabel, newfs and the mount it just like we would do with a plain physical disk? I'm still having strange magic problems with the DiskOnChip flash and this magic could be a critical hint. thanks, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow@regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistent Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Apr 3 10:30:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from alijku04.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (alijku04.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.182.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4743A37B71A for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:30:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ferdl@atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at) Received: from sondermuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (IDENT:root@sondermuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.214.105]) by alijku04.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22750 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:30:18 +0200 Received: from atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (root@atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.214.101]) by sondermuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20255 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:30:52 +0200 Received: from localhost (ferdl@localhost) by atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01890 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:30:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ferdl@atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:30:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Ferdinand Goldmann To: Subject: PicoBSD & 1720K floppies Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear all, I am trying to set up my own customized version of PicoBSD-net, using the FreeBSD-4.3RC source code. However, I am running into a few problems. I set up the disk image without any problems using the build script. The floppy disk was prepared running fdformat /dev/rfd0.1720 before copying the picobsd image to the disk using dd. However, when I try to boot from the disk, the boot2 loader keeps complaining "Not ufs". There seem to be other people who ran into the same problem, but I could not find any good solution in the mailing list archive. Putting 0:fd(0,a)/kernel into the /boot.config file did not do the trick either. The additional ~300K would be nice to have because I will have a quite huge kernel already due to many drivers I need. This way, I won't have to downgrade the userspace binaries that much. Has anyone managed to get PicoBSD to boot from larger floppy disks than 1440K? Kind regards for any pointers, Ferdinand To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Apr 3 12:55:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from black.purplecat.net (ns1.purplecat.net [209.16.228.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1468937B71F for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 12:55:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@black.purplecat.net) Received: from localhost (peter@localhost) by black.purplecat.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04743 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:58:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from peter@black.purplecat.net) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:58:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Brezny To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: build still require VN options in kernel? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Do the current picobsd sources distributed with 4.2-stable require the vn kernel options to be compiled in? I've not tried to build my own picobsd floppy before, and just from the various ages of 4.2-stable machines i have running here, it appeares there have been some significant recent changes. I just attempted a build on my most recent 4.2-stable machine (about a month old) and the build failed while building the router version. The machine does not have the vn options compiled into the kernel. TIA. pb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Apr 3 15:40:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6438737B718 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:40:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA70589; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 00:39:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200104032239.AAA70589@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: PicoBSD & 1720K floppies In-Reply-To: from Ferdinand Goldmann at "Apr 3, 2001 07:30:37 pm" To: Ferdinand Goldmann Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 00:39:33 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Has anyone managed to get PicoBSD to boot from larger floppy disks > than 1440K? it's a bios issue, you can hope to make the 1480 format work (it did for me, not with vmware though) but none of the machines i have tried is able to handle 21 sectors per track. This is the source of the error you are seeing, and there is no straightforward workaround implemented at the moemnt. cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Apr 3 15:43:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB6F37B71C for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:43:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA70603; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 00:42:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200104032242.AAA70603@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: what do the bytes 85 170 at location 510 in the fs image mean? In-Reply-To: <3AC9FD88.34CEF268@aurora.regenstrief.org> from Gunther Schadow at "Apr 3, 2001 04:42:48 pm" To: Gunther Schadow Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 00:42:28 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi, > > I am looking at the PicoBSD build/Makefile wondering what this > > awk 'BEGIN {printf "%c%c", 85, 170}' | \ > dd of=$(FS_NAME) obs=1 seek=510 conv=notrunc > > is supposed to do. I mean, I understand what it does, but not > why it needs this kind of magic? it's the magic 0xAA55 or so that it is expected to be in the boot sector. Turns out that this is unnecessary after you "dd" boot0 on the first sector of the image (see a recent picobsd script /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/picobsd, NOT THE MAKEFILE) cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Apr 3 16: 4:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0252D37B719 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:04:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09746; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:03:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200104032303.QAA09746@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: problems with DiskOnChip ... In-Reply-To: <200104021832.UAA54242@info.iet.unipi.it> from Luigi Rizzo at "Apr 2, 1 08:32:36 pm" To: luigi@info.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:03:10 -0700 (MST) Cc: gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Luigi Rizzo wrote: >> Getting a disklabel onto them was a pain. But I have had a hard time >> with disklabeling since the old days of 386BSD were past. Someone's >> being too smart now :-). Anyway, I finally got the disklabel on, > > have a look at how picobsd does, it might help (the script is > /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/picobsd) I can't help but jump in; this goes by about once a month. The first time I was faced with this problem, I 1) used dd to copy the first 100 blocks from a working drive to the new one (raw device, whole drive). B) Used "disklabel -e" to fix it up how I liked. Undoubtably not the "right" way, but... As an aside, is there any reason the sysinstall curses-based fdisk and disklabel shouldn't be stand alone utilities? -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Apr 3 16:39:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from a.mx.everquick.net (a.mx.everquick.net [216.89.137.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B26337B727 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:39:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eddy+public+spam@noc.everquick.net) Received: from localhost (eddy@localhost) by a.mx.everquick.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f33NdLL12460; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:39:21 GMT X-EverQuick-No-Abuse: Report any e-mail abuse to Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:39:21 +0000 (GMT) From: "E.B. Dreger" To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: Ferdinand Goldmann , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD & 1720K floppies In-Reply-To: <200104032239.AAA70589@info.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 00:39:33 +0200 (CEST) > From: Luigi Rizzo > > > Has anyone managed to get PicoBSD to boot from larger floppy disks > > than 1440K? > > it's a bios issue, you can hope to make the 1480 format work (it > did for me, not with vmware though) but none of the machines i have > tried is able to handle 21 sectors per track. This is the source > of the error you are seeing, and there is no straightforward > workaround implemented at the moemnt. *puzzled look* http://www.toms.net/rb/tomsrtbt.FAQ I've not tried PicoBSD, but I've been able to boot the above 1722kB from every 1.44 machine that I've tried. I hope that I'm not missing something, here... not following the subject too closely, but I'm a bit puzzled on the "BIOS issue" bit. Eddy --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. EverQuick Internet / EternalCommerce Division Phone: (316) 794-8922 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Apr 3 20:35:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rainmaker.dreamwvr.com (h24-71-211-181.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.211.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1B137B720 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:35:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com) Received: from dreamwvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rainmaker.dreamwvr.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CA82DF01; Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:11:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.6-3 on OpenBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200104032239.AAA70589@info.iet.unipi.it> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:11:31 -0600 (MDT) From: dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com To: Luigi Rizzo Subject: Re: PicoBSD & 1720K floppies Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, Ferdinand Goldmann Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG have you tried superformat? this will take it to 17xx without too much trouble AFAIK.. On 03-Apr-2001 Luigi Rizzo wrote: >> Has anyone managed to get PicoBSD to boot from larger floppy disks >> than 1440K? > > it's a bios issue, you can hope to make the 1480 format work (it > did for me, not with vmware though) but none of the machines i have > tried is able to handle 21 sectors per track. This is the source > of the error you are seeing, and there is no straightforward > workaround implemented at the moemnt. > > cheers > luigi > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message -- ---------------------------------------- E-Mail: dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com Date: 03-Apr-2001 Time: 17:10:49 Open Source Opens Minds. - DREAMWVR.COM ---------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Apr 4 6:11:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from alijku04.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (alijku04.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.182.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5B537B71C for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 06:11:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ferdl@atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at) Received: from sondermuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (IDENT:root@sondermuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.214.105]) by alijku04.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA96174; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:10:39 +0200 Received: from atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (root@atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.214.101]) by sondermuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16879; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:11:15 +0200 Received: from localhost (ferdl@localhost) by atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03784; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:10:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ferdl@atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:10:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Ferdinand Goldmann To: "E.B. Dreger" Cc: Luigi Rizzo , Subject: Re: PicoBSD & 1720K floppies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, E.B. Dreger wrote: > *puzzled look* > > http://www.toms.net/rb/tomsrtbt.FAQ > > I've not tried PicoBSD, but I've been able to boot the above 1722kB from > every 1.44 machine that I've tried. > > I hope that I'm not missing something, here... not following the subject > too closely, but I'm a bit puzzled on the "BIOS issue" bit. I know the tomsrtbt can boot from 1722KB, but appearently, this does not apply for the FreeBSD boot loader as it looks like. I tried to setup the floppy several times using FreeBSD's fdformat and Linux' format utility, but I still get 'Not ufs'. *sigh*. Also tried to booted on different machines, write the floppy on different machines and so on. I guess I will downgrade the thing to 1440 for now and fiddle around with the 1722 problem afterwards. Regards, Ferdinand To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Apr 4 9:12:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from black.purplecat.net (ns1.purplecat.net [209.16.228.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DCC37B71A for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 09:12:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@black.purplecat.net) Received: from localhost (peter@localhost) by black.purplecat.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07737 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:14:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from peter@black.purplecat.net) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:14:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Brezny To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: router won't build Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Any ideas here? I ran the /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/picobsd script, chose the router version, modified the kernel (adding network cards) and built the script. Sorry if i've missed something obvious, i'm new to picobsd. I'm not sure why it's ignoring the etc/ppp directory at the start of the output below, but the real problem crops up at the end i think. TIA pb 1. Type: router name router 2. MFS size: 1200 kB 3. Site-info: 4. Full-path: /usr/src/release/picobsd/router -> We'll use the sources living in /usr/src -> vnode is 0 -> I hope you have checked the PICOBSD config file... (cd /usr/src/sys/compile/PICOBSD-router; make KERNEL=kernel -DNO_MODULES) gzip: etc/ppp is a directory -- ignored [reading /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/build_dir-router/crunch1.conf] [reading crunch1.cache] [filling in parms for hostname] [filling in parms for cat] [filling in parms for kget] [filling in parms for oinit] [filling in parms for ifconfig] [filling in parms for df] [filling in parms for sps] [filling in parms for ns] [filling in parms for vm] [filling in parms for msg] [filling in parms for cp] [filling in parms for rm] [filling in parms for ls] [filling in parms for reboot] [filling in parms for sysctl] [filling in parms for route] [filling in parms for mount] [filling in parms for umount] [filling in parms for kill] [filling in parms for natd] [filling in parms for pppd] [filling in parms for less] [filling in parms for ping] [filling in parms for traceroute] [filling in parms for routed] [filling in parms for ipfw] [filling in parms for minigzip] [generating crunch1.cache] [gen! er ating crunch1.c] [generating /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/build_dir-router/crunch.mk] [] Run "make -f /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/build_dir-router/crunch.mk" to build crunched binary. `hostname.o' is up to date. `cat.o' is up to date. `kget.o' is up to date. `oinit.o' is up to date. `ifconfig.o' is up to date. `ifmedia.o' is up to date. `df.o' is up to date. `vfslist.o' is up to date. `sps.o' is up to date. `ns.o' is up to date. `vm.o' is up to date. `msg.o' is up to date. `cp.o' is up to date. `utils.o' is up to date. `rm.o' is up to date. `cmp.o' is up to date. `ls.o' is up to date. `print.o' is up to date. `util.o' is up to date. `reboot.o' is up to date. `sysctl.o' is up to date. `route.o' is up to date. `mount.o' is up to date. `mount_ufs.o' is up to date. `getmntopts.o' is up to date. `vfslist.o' is up to date. `umount.o' is up to date. `vfslist.o' is up to date. `mounttab.o' is up to date. `kill.o' is up to date. `natd.o' is up to date. `icmp.o' is up to date. `main.o' is up to date. `magic.o' is up to date. `fsm.o' is up to date. `lcp.o' is up to date. `ipcp.o' is up to date. `ipxcp.o' is up to date. `upap.o' is up to date. `chap.o' is up to date. `ccp.o' is up to date. `demand.o' is up to date. `auth.o' is up to date. `options.o' is up to date. `sys-bsd.o' is up to date. `cbcp.o' is up to date. `chap_ms.o' is up to date. `main.o' is up to date. `screen.o' is up to date. `brac.o' is up to date. `ch.o' is up to date. `charset.o' is up to date. `cmdbuf.o' is up to date. `command.o' is up to date. `decode.o' is up to date. `edit.o' is up to date. `filename.o' is up to date. `forwback.o' is up to date. `help.o' is up to date. `ifile.o' is up to date. `input.o' is up to date. `jump.o' is up to date. `line.o' is up to date. `linenum.o' is up to date. `lsystem.o' is up to date. `mark.o' is up to date. `optfunc.o' is up to date. `option.o' is up to date. `opttbl.o' is up to date. `os.o' is up to date. `output.o' is up to date. `position.o' is up to date. `prompt.o' is up to date. `search.o' is up to date. `signal.o' is up to date. `tags.o' is up to date. `ttyin.o' is up to date. `version.o' is up to date. `ping.o' is up to date. `version.o' is up to date. `traceroute.o' is up to date. ===> rtquery ===> rtquery `if.o' is up to date. `input.o' is up to date. `main.o' is up to date. `output.o' is up to date. `parms.o' is up to date. `radix.o' is up to date. `rdisc.o' is up to date. `table.o' is up to date. `trace.o' is up to date. /usr/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c: In function `show_ipfw': /usr/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:279: `IP_FW_F_SME' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:279: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:279: for each function it appears in.) /usr/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:325: `IP_FW_F_DME' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c: In function `add': /usr/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:1728: `IP_FW_F_SME' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/src/sbin/ipfw/ipfw.c:1760: `IP_FW_F_DME' undeclared (first use in this function) *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sbin/ipfw. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/build_dir-router/crunch. ---> fail: Error <1> error code Error while building router. ---> Aborting ./picobsd bsd1# exit exit Script done on Wed Apr 4 12:06:13 2001 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Apr 4 11:33: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rgmail.regenstrief.org (rgmail.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74B237B722 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 11:32:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org) Received: from aurora.regenstrief.org (rgnout.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.38]) by rgmail.regenstrief.org (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id f34IZ7A21750 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:35:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3ACB68D5.AA09B375@aurora.regenstrief.org> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:32:53 +0000 From: Gunther Schadow Organization: Regenstrief Institute for Health Care X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: still having problems booting from DiskOnChip ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, what the heck am I doing wrong? I receive the following error when booting from flash whenever I do anything else than plain copying a PicoBSD floppy to a freshly labeled and newfsed flash. Disk error 0x1 (lba=0x1948) Invalid format >> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default: 0:ad(0,a)/kernel boot: Am an hacking this for two days now with no luck. Anyone has any idea as to what's wrong here? Thanks, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow@regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistent Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Apr 4 15:13:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from deborah.paradise.net.nz (deborah.paradise.net.nz [203.96.152.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E7137B722 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:13:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from davep@afterswish.com) Received: from duron700.afterswish.com (203-79-83-91.cable.paradise.net.nz [203.79.83.91]) by deborah.paradise.net.nz (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f34MDpx37677 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:13:51 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20010405101244.02276720@pop3.paradise.net.nz> X-Sender: dpreece@pop3.paradise.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 10:14:42 +1200 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org From: David Preece Subject: WindRiver takeover. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG So WindRiver have bought up BSDi.... Why don't I feel good about this? http://www.windriver.com/press/html/bsdi.html Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Apr 4 15:22:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A472937B725 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:22:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f34MLUq34074; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:21:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200104042221.f34MLUq34074@harmony.village.org> To: David Preece Subject: Re: WindRiver takeover. Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 05 Apr 2001 10:14:42 +1200." <5.0.2.1.1.20010405101244.02276720@pop3.paradise.net.nz> References: <5.0.2.1.1.20010405101244.02276720@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:20:15 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <5.0.2.1.1.20010405101244.02276720@pop3.paradise.net.nz> David Preece writes: : So WindRiver have bought up BSDi.... Why don't I feel good about this? : : http://www.windriver.com/press/html/bsdi.html Recall that they didn't buy FreeBSD, but rather BSDi. Just like the wallnut creek stuff. If they want to steer FereBSD into the ground for small systems, they will not succeed. I'll make sure of that. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Apr 4 15:32:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B145337B72E for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:32:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f34MUkq34164; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:30:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200104042230.f34MUkq34164@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: WindRiver takeover. Cc: David Preece , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:20:15 MDT." <200104042221.f34MLUq34074@harmony.village.org> References: <200104042221.f34MLUq34074@harmony.village.org> <5.0.2.1.1.20010405101244.02276720@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:29:31 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200104042221.f34MLUq34074@harmony.village.org> Warner Losh writes: : In message <5.0.2.1.1.20010405101244.02276720@pop3.paradise.net.nz> David Preece writes: : : So WindRiver have bought up BSDi.... Why don't I feel good about this? : : : : http://www.windriver.com/press/html/bsdi.html : : Recall that they didn't buy FreeBSD, but rather BSDi. Just like the : wallnut creek stuff. If they want to steer FereBSD into the ground : for small systems, they will not succeed. I'll make sure of that. Damn. hit send too fast. I also wanted to add that I don't think that will be the case. BSDi had a very low level of control of the day to day operations of FreeBSD while they owned what used to be Walnut Creek CDROM. WRS will be able to fund development, which will be a good thing, but will not likely be taking over the functions that core and the committers have traditionally done in the project. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Apr 4 17:33:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from web10701.mail.yahoo.com (web10701.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E9AD837B424 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:33:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stanwalters@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010405003355.54908.qmail@web10701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.77.198.200] by web10701.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:33:55 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:33:55 -0700 (PDT) From: stan walters To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Apr 4 17:45: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A7237B423 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:45:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from sv.Go2France.com (ls1.meiway.com [212.73.210.33]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 591DC16B1F for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 02:58:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010405024028.02477170@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 02:42:39 +0200 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: WindRiver takeover. In-Reply-To: <200104042230.f34MUkq34164@harmony.village.org> References: <200104042221.f34MLUq34074@harmony.village.org> <5.0.2.1.1.20010405101244.02276720@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner >but will not likely be taking over the functions that >core and the committers have traditionally done in the project. Can you remove that "likely", Warner? Your reassurance is much more reassuring without it. Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training : In Austin, TX; SFO, CA; Paris, FR http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.3 "NT3" for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Apr 4 17:56:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5BD37B496 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:56:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f350uIq35421; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:56:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200104050056.f350uIq35421@harmony.village.org> To: Len Conrad Subject: Re: WindRiver takeover. Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 05 Apr 2001 02:42:39 +0200." <5.0.0.25.0.20010405024028.02477170@mail.Go2France.com> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010405024028.02477170@mail.Go2France.com> <200104042221.f34MLUq34074@harmony.village.org> <5.0.2.1.1.20010405101244.02276720@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:55:03 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <5.0.0.25.0.20010405024028.02477170@mail.Go2France.com> Len Conrad writes: : >but will not likely be taking over the functions that : >core and the committers have traditionally done in the project. : : Can you remove that "likely", Warner? Your reassurance is much more : reassuring without it. You are right. You can take the likely out as far as I'm concerned. The project itself is much bigger than any one company. WRS will be able to spend money to buy a few bodies for critical parts of the system, but they won't be able to change major aspects of the project without core's approval. Talking with jkh, I get the sense that WRS knows that he knows how to run an open source division and they will be leaving much of the day to day sorts of things up to him. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Apr 4 20:59:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD77B37B449 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:59:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f353wnK76389; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:58:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:58:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan Stehling To: Warner Losh Cc: Len Conrad , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WindRiver takeover. In-Reply-To: <200104050056.f350uIq35421@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It is an interesting time for FreeBSD. Perhaps it is a good time for me to branch off my own version and call it BrennanBSD... and in 5 years the motto could be... "5 years without any source code changes" I think FreeBSD 4.2 is very solid and very close to perfect. The OpenSSH and OpenSSL integration along with several of the VM optimizations make me quite happy to run it on the systems I manage. I read that Perl 5.6 is going to be the default perl for 4.3 RELEASE and perhaps that is enough to get me to upgrade, but I would hate to reboot my personal server. http://home.offwhite.net/status.html It has been up for over 75 days since I put it in place and I am going to shoot for 2 years with it. After that I may go ahead with another hardware upgrade. I am anxious to see benchmarks between FreeBSD 4.0R against the future release of FreeBSD 5.0 with all it's enhancements borrowed from the BSDi codebase. I am unsure what this new company can offer in terms of adding new features to the kernel and core system, but with the core development team guiding the way, I am sure the quality of the FreeBSD platform will only improve. Any company smart enough to choose to back FreeBSD should be intelligent enough to want it to continue as it has been all this time. Brennan Stehling - software developer and system administrator my projects: home.offwhite.net (free personal hosting) www.greasydaemon.com (bsd search) On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <5.0.0.25.0.20010405024028.02477170@mail.Go2France.com> Len Conrad writes: > : >but will not likely be taking over the functions that > : >core and the committers have traditionally done in the project. > : > : Can you remove that "likely", Warner? Your reassurance is much more > : reassuring without it. > > You are right. You can take the likely out as far as I'm concerned. > The project itself is much bigger than any one company. WRS will be > able to spend money to buy a few bodies for critical parts of the > system, but they won't be able to change major aspects of the project > without core's approval. Talking with jkh, I get the sense that WRS > knows that he knows how to run an open source division and they will > be leaving much of the day to day sorts of things up to him. > > Warner > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Apr 4 23: 7: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f33.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA2F737B449 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:07:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stanwalters@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:07:01 -0700 Received: from 151.197.118.30 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 06:07:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [151.197.118.30] From: "stan walters" To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 06:07:00 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Apr 2001 06:07:01.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[A10E0AD0:01C0BD96] Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Apr 5 2:57:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from alijku04.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (alijku04.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.182.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6233D37B446 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 02:57:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ferdl@atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at) Received: from sondermuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (IDENT:root@sondermuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.214.105]) by alijku04.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA164956; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:57:07 +0200 Received: from atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (root@atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.214.101]) by sondermuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13903; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:57:46 +0200 Received: from localhost (ferdl@localhost) by atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05967; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:57:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ferdl@atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:57:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Ferdinand Goldmann To: Cc: , Luigi Rizzo , "E.B. Dreger" Subject: Re: PicoBSD & 1720K floppies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello. On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com wrote: > Have you tried 'syslinux' it is a boot loader that might work for this > sort of situation ..? let me know as i have been wanting to try this for > a 'long' time TIA How is this supposed to work? From the syslinux documentation: SYSLINUX is a boot loader for the Linux operating system which operates off an MS-DOS/Windows FAT filesystem. It is intended to simplify first-time installation of Linux, and for creation of rescue- and other special-purpose boot disks. It seems to me that SYSLINUX can only operate on MS-DOS floppies, so it looks like it is useless in this case. Besides, the "not ufs" messages comes from the boot2 loader program, boot2.c: printf("Not ufs\n"); so changing the boot sector wont help here - right? Regards, Ferdinand To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Apr 5 3:33:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from web5104.mail.yahoo.com (web5104.mail.yahoo.com [216.115.106.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 01A9F37B449 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 03:33:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vlaero@yahoo.com.au) Message-ID: <20010405103342.7070.qmail@web5104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.61.155.10] by web5104.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:33:42 EST Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:33:42 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Paul=20Jansen?= Subject: website update To: small@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I'm trying to use picobsd for a few things. I'm keen to try another version. I'm wondering whether there are any plans to update the website anytime in the future. The version I'm running is the one I've downloaded from the website but I understand that it's now quite old. I'm interested in trying a newer version as are some other I know and I think it would be a good idea to make some downloadable disk images availalable rather than requiring user to have a functional FreeBSD system to compile their own pico version. Obviously the doco would need to be updated too. I'm hoping that now that Windriver has a controlling interest in FreeBSD and also being an embedded systems company that PicoBSD might have a little TLC shown to it. Does anyone know if there are any updates to the site planned? Thankyou. _____________________________________________________________________________ http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! - Have news, stocks, weather, sports and more in one place. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Apr 5 9:45: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30BC37B43C for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:44:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f35GilG79572; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:44:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20010405101244.02276720@pop3.paradise.net.nz> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:44:16 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: David Preece Subject: RE: WindRiver takeover. Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 04-Apr-01 David Preece wrote: > So WindRiver have bought up BSDi.... Why don't I feel good about this? > > http://www.windriver.com/press/html/bsdi.html Because you aren't well informed and shouldn't always trust your gut instincts? :) BSDi was paying some of us to work on FreeBSD full time, and now that is not only going to continue but most likely increase as we will have better facilities to work in, etc. > Dave -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Apr 5 10:19: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rgmail.regenstrief.org (rgmail.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5DA37B443 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:18:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org) Received: from aurora.regenstrief.org (rgnout.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.38]) by rgmail.regenstrief.org (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id f35HL4A00604 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:21:04 -0500 Message-ID: <3ACCA8FD.CD45F7FA@aurora.regenstrief.org> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:18:53 +0000 From: Gunther Schadow Organization: Regenstrief Institute for Health Care X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: the fla driver definitely has bugs ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, While one can get it to work somehow and sometimes and for so long, something is definitely wrong with the fla driver (DiskOnChip). This stray interrupt 7 shouldn't happen at all in the first place. And it also seems as if after several writes it somehow goes bad and once it starts with these stray interrupts there is no other way than redoing the disklabel, filesystem, etc. This is not right. Is the fla driver being maintained by someone or have we inherited it from the M-Systems guys AS IS? thanks, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow@regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistent Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Apr 5 10:23:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rgmail.regenstrief.org (rgmail.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C09937B422; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:23:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gunther@aurora.regenstrief.org) Received: from aurora.regenstrief.org (rgnout.regenstrief.org [134.68.31.38]) by rgmail.regenstrief.org (8.11.0/8.8.7) with ESMTP id f35HPmA00664; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:25:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3ACCAA19.48EB95CD@aurora.regenstrief.org> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:23:37 +0000 From: Gunther Schadow Organization: Regenstrief Institute for Health Care X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Baldwin Cc: David Preece , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WindRiver takeover. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is great! I always wanted to be a stock holder of BSDi, now I can :-). Too bad I sold my WindRiver stock some months ago because I felt the end of a closed-source operating system given FreeBSD and Linux. If WindRiver stands by BSDi (so if this was not a hostile takeover) this gives us a leading edge on the embedded systems market that has seen some growth on all the Linux hype. You think they had taken BSDi because they want to go with the BSD operating system? Great for the world :-) regards -Gunther John Baldwin wrote: > > On 04-Apr-01 David Preece wrote: > > So WindRiver have bought up BSDi.... Why don't I feel good about this? > > > > http://www.windriver.com/press/html/bsdi.html > > Because you aren't well informed and shouldn't always trust your gut instincts? > :) BSDi was paying some of us to work on FreeBSD full time, and now that is > not only going to continue but most likely increase as we will have better > facilities to work in, etc. > > > Dave > > -- > > John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ > PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc > "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow@regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistent Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Apr 5 13:58:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from gta.com (mailgate.gta.com [199.120.225.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2430337B505 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:58:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lab@gta.com) Received: from gta.com (GTA internal mail system) by gta.com id QAA69722; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200104052057.QAA69722@gta.com> From: Larry Baird To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Cc: Gunther Schadow Subject: Re: the fla driver definitely has bugs ... X-Newsgroups: freebsd.small In-Reply-To: <3ACCA8FD.CD45F7FA@gta.com> Organization: Global Technology Associates, Inc. User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.5-STABLE (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > While one can get it to work somehow and sometimes and for so > long, something is definitely wrong with the fla driver (DiskOnChip). > This stray interrupt 7 shouldn't happen at all in the first place. > And it also seems as if after several writes it somehow goes bad and > once it starts with these stray interrupts there is no other way > than redoing the disklabel, filesystem, etc. I hae thousands of systems installed using the fla driver and 8MB DOCs without any problem. Initially based upon FreeBSD 3.5., now based upon 4.2. I have had DOCs forget everything and need to be flashed after shipping. After installation the DOCs have been very reliable. They just are expensive, single source and can be hard to get as compared to compact flash. > This is not right. Is the fla driver being maintained by someone > or have we inherited it from the M-Systems guys AS IS? Poul-Henning Kamp (phk@FreeBSD.ORG) is the author and I assume the maintainer. Larry -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Larry Baird | http://www.gnatbox.com Global Technology Associates, Inc. | Orlando, FL Email: lab@gta.com | TEL 407-380-0220, FAX 407-380-6080 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Apr 5 16:46:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from home.offwhite.net (home.offwhite.net [156.46.35.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED83437B42C for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:46:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Received: from localhost (brennan@localhost) by home.offwhite.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f35NhXG91800; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:43:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brennan@offwhite.net) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:43:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Brennan Stehling To: Josef Karthauser Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WindRiver takeover. In-Reply-To: <20010405104816.D746@tao.org.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Could you tell me which perl utilities that the base FreeBSD install are cuased to break when perl is upgraded to 5.6? The one language that I know very well is perl and I may be able to fix the scripts that break, or replace them with new scripts which do the same thing. I would be wary to install this on my live server but I do have a FreeBSD box at home which dual boots with windows so I can play games. I could do the fixes on there and then work with one of the usual FreeBSD developers to come up with a way to get Perl 5.6 to install safely. I have never messed with a port before, so I would have to learn a little about that process. Brennan Stehling - software developer and system administrator my projects: home.offwhite.net (free personal hosting) www.greasydaemon.com (bsd search) On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Josef Karthauser wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:58:49PM -0500, Brennan Stehling wrote: > > It is an interesting time for FreeBSD. Perhaps it is a good time for me > > to branch off my own version and call it BrennanBSD... and in 5 years the > > motto could be... > > > > "5 years without any source code changes" > > > > I think FreeBSD 4.2 is very solid and very close to perfect. The OpenSSH > > and OpenSSL integration along with several of the VM optimizations make > > me quite happy to run it on the systems I manage. I read that Perl 5.6 is > > going to be the default perl for 4.3 RELEASE and perhaps that is enough to > > get me to upgrade, but I would hate to reboot my personal server. > > No this isn't the case, 5.5.3 is still in -stable, there is development > work going on in this area though. > > genesis% perl -V > Summary of my perl5 (5.0 patchlevel 5 subversion 3) configuration: > > There is a perl5.6 port now: > > cvs log -rHEAD /usr/ports/lang/perl5/Makefile > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > revision 1.36 > date: 2001/03/22 15:17:46; author: markm; state: Exp; lines: +67 -51 > Upgrade this to perl5.6.0 for _knowledgeable_ folks in STABLE who > really want it. > > This is still marked FORBIDDEN as there may be all sorts of horrible > incompatabilities with the perl5 in "base", but folks who are willing > to override this and experiment are welcome. > > Consider this to be only partially supported. I'll happily commit > patches and fixes, but I don't want to answer too many questions. > > Sorry! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Joe > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Apr 5 22:21: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02EDB37B446 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:21:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18141; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:20:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200104060520.WAA18141@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: WindRiver takeover. In-Reply-To: <200104042230.f34MUkq34164@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Apr 4, 1 04:29:31 pm" To: imp@harmony.village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:20:46 -0700 (MST) Cc: davep@afterswish.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Warner Losh wrote: > Damn. hit send too fast. I also wanted to add that I don't think > that will be the case. BSDi had a very low level of control of the > day to day operations of FreeBSD while they owned what used to be > Walnut Creek CDROM. WRS will be able to fund development, which will > be a good thing, but will not likely be taking over the functions that > core and the committers have traditionally done in the project. > > Warner Plus, the FreeBSD project is "free". All someone has to do is take over the ownership/maintanence of the repository (which I'd be willing to do) and continue from there. That is/was the whole point of the project, and the BSD license. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Apr 6 6:48:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rainmaker.dreamwvr.com (h24-71-211-181.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.211.181]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A0E37B42C for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 06:48:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com) Received: from dreamwvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rainmaker.dreamwvr.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4FF2DF01; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:30:43 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.6-3 on OpenBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 10:30:43 -0600 (MDT) From: dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com To: Ferdinand Goldmann Subject: Re: PicoBSD & 1720K floppies Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, Luigi Rizzo , "E.B. Dreger" Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, Have you tried 'syslinux' it is a boot loader that might work for this sort of situation ..? let me know as i have been wanting to try this for a 'long' time TIA On 04-Apr-2001 Ferdinand Goldmann wrote: > > > On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, E.B. Dreger wrote: > >> *puzzled look* >> >> http://www.toms.net/rb/tomsrtbt.FAQ >> >> I've not tried PicoBSD, but I've been able to boot the above 1722kB from >> every 1.44 machine that I've tried. >> >> I hope that I'm not missing something, here... not following the subject >> too closely, but I'm a bit puzzled on the "BIOS issue" bit. > > I know the tomsrtbt can boot from 1722KB, but appearently, this does > not apply for the FreeBSD boot loader as it looks like. I tried to setup > the floppy several times using FreeBSD's fdformat and Linux' format > utility, but I still get 'Not ufs'. *sigh*. Also tried to booted on > different machines, write the floppy on different machines and so on. > I guess I will downgrade the thing to 1440 for now and fiddle around with > the 1722 problem afterwards. > > Regards, > Ferdinand > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message -- ---------------------------------------- E-Mail: dreamwvr@dreamwvr.com Date: 04-Apr-2001 Time: 10:29:36 Open Source Opens Minds. - DREAMWVR.COM ---------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Apr 6 12:10:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F2837B422 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:10:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@tao.org.uk) Received: by tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id C1B593147; Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:10:50 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 20:10:50 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Brennan Stehling Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WindRiver takeover. Message-ID: <20010406201050.F798@tao.org.uk> References: <20010405104816.D746@tao.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="R6sEYoIZpp9JErk7" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from brennan@offwhite.net on Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 06:43:33PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --R6sEYoIZpp9JErk7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 06:43:33PM -0500, Brennan Stehling wrote: > Could you tell me which perl utilities that the base FreeBSD install are > cuased to break when perl is upgraded to 5.6? The one language that I > know very well is perl and I may be able to fix the scripts that break, or > replace them with new scripts which do the same thing. I doubt that any of the FreeBSD tools will break. It's more a question of whether any -stable user's scripts will break ;). Joe --R6sEYoIZpp9JErk7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrOFLoACgkQXVIcjOaxUBZk/QCfVDYht1CuvBtzZ5podzLAFcCx e/wAoIxf8vMXdVuCzf8RvvHiJ4tELDFA =CoYS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --R6sEYoIZpp9JErk7-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message