From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 11 11:26:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su [213.184.66.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB9637B403 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:26:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugen@D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su) Received: (from eugen@localhost) by D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5BI1GI18341 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 02:01:17 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from eugen) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 02:01:16 +0800 From: Eugene Grosbein To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: picobsd containing a terminal emulator Message-ID: <20010612020116.A18271@grosbein.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! I did my best trying to build a version of PicoBSD (I use sources of recent 4.3-STABLE) containig a terminal emulator but failed. I tried to include /usr/src/usr.bin/tip/tip or /usr/src/gnu/libexec/uucp/cu. But they both use private libraries that cannot be included to crunch.conf just using line like 'libs -luuconf'. I tried to write 'libs /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/libexec/uucp/libuuconf/libuuconf.a' etc. but got a lot of unresolved symbols in libraries. I tried than to use 'special cu keep ...' with no luck. Is there a way to compile something more clever than chat(8) into picobsd? Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jun 11 18:11:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh.jetcafe.org [205.147.43.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EA137B405; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:11:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Received: from hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hokkshideh.jetcafe.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10458; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200106120111.SAA10458@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with version: MH 6.8.4 #1[UCI] To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why does fsck try to fsck a CDROM? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:11:22 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Stacey writes: > Maybe it comes from the /etc/fstab that is unpacked into ram disc, > that is extracted from the 2.88M boot floppy, that is part of a > bootable CD ? I checked this, boot.flp contains the stuff under /boot and kernel.gz and that's it. Interestingly enough, this doesn't happen on every machine. *shrug* > ( BTW if you'r going to get into questions around bootable cdroms > etc, it's a frequent area of interest on freebsd-small@freebsd.org ) Some of this is boot time RC file stuff as well, which affects all FreeBSDs, which is -hackers as well I'd think. I'll CC it. ------ Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< "I'll have you hanged, if you don't prove that you are a mystic." said a cruel and ignorant king who had heard of Nasrudin's powers. "I see strange things," said Nasrudin at once. "A golden bird in the sky, demons under the earth." The king asked "But how can you see through solid objects? How can you see far into the sky?" Nasrudin replied, "Fear is all you need." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 12 13:12:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.sysadmin-inc.com (ns2.sysadmin-inc.com [209.16.228.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 92D8A37B405 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:12:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@sysadmin-inc.com) Received: (qmail 95031 invoked by alias); 12 Jun 2001 20:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w2kstest) (10.10.1.70) by ns2.sysadmin-inc.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 20:12:22 -0000 From: "Peter Brezny" To: Subject: pppoe, dhcp client, and sshd Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:11:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I want to use a picobsd machine as a firewall/router for a business dsl connection. The connection is pppoe (which I know nothing about) and I believe the dsl provider hands out an ip address via dhcp. I'd also like to have sshd running on the pico machine. Is this a reasonable expectation for picobsd? If anyone has some examples, or tips, howto's as to how to get this going, i'd appreciate it. I got my first 'net' flavor picobsd router working today with a custom firewall script, however, I've not had any luck adding ssh to it, in spite of luigi's ssh port. help! Peter Brezny SysAdmin Services Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 12 15:57:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB4BE37B401 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:57:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA87821; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:53:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200106122253.AAA87821@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: picobsd containing a terminal emulator In-Reply-To: <20010612020116.A18271@grosbein.pp.ru> from Eugene Grosbein at "Jun 12, 2001 02:01:16 am" To: Eugene Grosbein Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:53:09 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG not sure what you mean with "terminal emulator" ppp does something good with the modem, you might want to try it. cheers luigi > > I did my best trying to build a version of PicoBSD (I use sources > of recent 4.3-STABLE) containig a terminal emulator but failed. > I tried to include /usr/src/usr.bin/tip/tip or /usr/src/gnu/libexec/uucp/cu. > But they both use private libraries that cannot be included to > crunch.conf just using line like 'libs -luuconf'. I tried to write > 'libs /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/libexec/uucp/libuuconf/libuuconf.a' etc. > but got a lot of unresolved symbols in libraries. I tried than to use > 'special cu keep ...' with no luck. > > Is there a way to compile something more clever than chat(8) into > picobsd? > > Eugene Grosbein > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 12 19: 0:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044FC37B401 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:00:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugen@www.svzserv.kemerovo.su) Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (kost [213.184.65.82]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA88446; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:00:20 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from eugen@www.svzserv.kemerovo.su) Message-ID: <3B26C933.C88D7E49@www.svzserv.kemerovo.su> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:00:19 +0800 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: picobsd containing a terminal emulator References: <200106122253.AAA87821@info.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo wrote: > not sure what you mean with "terminal emulator" I mean cu(1) or an equivalent. > ppp does something good with the modem, you might want to try it. Thanks. I've always used pppd that cannot do such things. I'll look at ppp. Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jun 12 19:33:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D13D137B408 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:33:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugen@www.svzserv.kemerovo.su) Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (kost [213.184.65.82]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA90926; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:33:40 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from eugen@www.svzserv.kemerovo.su) Message-ID: <3B26D103.34AF8FA4@www.svzserv.kemerovo.su> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:33:39 +0800 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Brezny Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: writing/getting kernel configs into flopy. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Brezny wrote: > I've got a machine I want to use with picobsd that has some isa nic's in it. > > However, i have not figured out a way to convince picobsd to save the kernel > configuration I put into it on boot. > > I get the feeling there is a way to write a kernel config file by hand, and > put it somewhere to be compiled into the build of the disk image, however, > I've never written a kernel config file by hand and don't know where to > start, or where to place it once i've got one. > > Could someone forward some pointers? Perhaps, you should build picobsd with option INCLUDE_FLOPPY_IN_MFS="no" and use kget(8) to save your kernel configuration. Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 13 0:24:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from oneplusone.ch (oneplusone.ch [194.191.122.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C2437B403 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 00:24:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ast@marabu.ch) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by oneplusone.ch (8.11.3/8.11.3) with UUCP id f5D7O3069977; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:24:03 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from ast@marabu.ch) Received: from marabu.marabu.ch (marabu.marabu.ch [192.168.21.3]) by marabu.ch (8.9.3/2000102801) with ESMTP id JAA09501; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:18:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ast@marabu.ch) Received: by marabu.marabu.ch (8.7.5/20001028-ast-8.3) id JAA14151; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:18:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200106130718.JAA14151@marabu.marabu.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v124.8483.6) Content-Type: text/plain In-Reply-To: <3B26C933.C88D7E49@www.svzserv.kemerovo.su> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 2.0b6) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.124.8483.6) From: Adrian Steinmann Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:18:56 +0200 To: Eugene Grosbein Subject: Re: picobsd containing a terminal emulator Cc: Luigi Rizzo , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200106122253.AAA87821@info.iet.unipi.it> <3B26C933.C88D7E49@www.svzserv.kemerovo.su> X-Organization: Steinmann Consulting, Apollostrasse 21, 8032 Zurich X-Phone-Numbers: Switzerland, Tel +41 1 380 30 83 Fax +41 1 380 30 85 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I once needed a tip/cu typeof program in a small environment. tip is huge but if you butcher it down enough it is usable. I called it mtip.c; I've put it up at http://webgroup.ch/mtip.c Adrian You wrote: Luigi Rizzo wrote: > not sure what you mean with "terminal emulator" I mean cu(1) or an equivalent. > ppp does something good with the modem, you might want to try it. Thanks. I've always used pppd that cannot do such things. I'll look at ppp. Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 13 7:35: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from jake.akitanet.co.uk (jake.akitanet.co.uk [212.1.130.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6E937B40B for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 07:34:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@akita.co.uk) Received: from dsl-212-135-208-194.dsl.easynet.co.uk ([212.135.208.194] helo=foo.akitanet.co.uk) by jake.akitanet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 15ABjM-0009dk-00 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:34:48 +0100 Received: from paul by foo.akitanet.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #2) id 15ABiv-0003Mb-00 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:34:21 +0100 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:34:21 +0100 From: Paul Robinson To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: A mildly strange use for PicoBSD Message-ID: <20010613153420.G12137@akita.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i X-Scanner: exiscan *15ABjM-0009dk-00*$AK$yypTaTkQxz1A7gsmmYIrG0* Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Been looking at PicoBSD for a short while, and we are considering it for an application we have. However, it's slightly strange in that we want to install it onto a hard disk drive rather than a floppy. Ideally, all I need is a CD ISO-image that once run will fdisk, disklabel and newfs a hard disk in the machine we are running from, before copying over a very minimal install. We want to use PicoBSD as we want it VERY minimal. Apart from the kernel, the only other things we really need on there are mgetty, sox and a custom application that is an in-house product. A few other luxuries like cp and ls might be included as well. ;-) Anyway, what I suppose I'm really looking for is resources for producing a custom installation disk for Pico - I notice that with 4.3-RELEASE there is install/ directory that I intend taking a look at, but does anybody know any good guides for me to take a look at? The FreeBSD 'make world' approach seems rather overkill for what I have in mind. -- Paul Robinson - Technical Director .---------------------------------------- PO Box 604, Manchester, M60 3PR | A computer lets you make more mistakes T: +44 (0) 161 228 6388 (F: 6389) | than any other invention, with the http://www.akita.co.uk | possible exceptions of handguns and paul@akita.co.uk | Tequila -- Mitch Ratcliffe `--- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jun 13 23:57:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from server.soekris.com (soekris.com [216.15.61.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA23B37B418 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:57:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Received: from soekris.com (soren.soekris.com [192.168.1.4]) by server.soekris.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA24312 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:57:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Message-ID: <3B28605B.EAD7E0FD@soekris.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:57:31 -0700 From: Soren Kristensen Organization: Soekris Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: net4501, now taking orders.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Everybody, I have been a little quite for a while, it's a big job starting up production of a new product.... But now things are happening. The first production series of 240 boards are now being manufactured, and boards will be available for delivery at the end of June 2001. As everybody wanted the 64 Mbyte version, there are no 32 Mbyte boards in the first series, and I then lowered the price a little on the 64 Mbyte version. My website has now been updated with ordering and payment information. Pictures of the case will be up shortly. The case will be a sheet metal case about 6" x 10.2" x 1", in a light green colour with black print. Thanks to everybody that have been patient with me, and if I forgot to answer any emails, please forgive me and email again. Regards, Soren Kristensen Soekris Engineering 19185 Taylor Avenue Morgan Hill, CA 95037-2714 Phone (408)782-2307, Fax (408)782-2317 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 14 4:27:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from n47-svc.kimo.com (n47.kimo.com.tw [210.59.144.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1353437B40B for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 04:27:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from neolo@kimo.com) Received: from neo ([211.20.103.162]) by n47-svc.kimo.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.21 201-229-121-121-20010307) with SMTP id <20010614112717.FOJF24806.n47-svc.kimo.com@neo>; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:27:17 +0800 Message-ID: <000c01c0f4c5$26b625e0$132e40d2@neo> From: "Neo Lo" To: "Soren Kristensen" , References: <3B28605B.EAD7E0FD@soekris.com> Subject: Re: net4501, now taking orders.... Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:28:35 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Soren Kristensen" To: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: net4501, now taking orders.... > Hi Everybody, > > I have been a little quite for a while, it's a big job starting up > production of a new product.... But now things are happening. > > The first production series of 240 boards are now being manufactured, > and boards will be available for delivery at the end of June 2001. As > everybody wanted the 64 Mbyte version, there are no 32 Mbyte boards in > the first series, and I then lowered the price a little on the 64 Mbyte > version. > > My website has now been updated with ordering and payment information. > > Pictures of the case will be up shortly. The case will be a sheet metal > case about 6" x 10.2" x 1", in a light green colour with black print. > > Thanks to everybody that have been patient with me, and if I forgot to > answer any emails, please forgive me and email again. Hi, Some questions about the board. 1) How can I install OS such as PicoBSD into the CompactFLASH ? By the serial port or other way ? 2) Can I connect an other IDE HardDisk with the default hardware configuration ? 3) Can I connect a keyboard and a Monitor ? Sorry for my questions. Thanks!! Best Regards, Neo Lo 14/6 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 14 4:54:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from jake.akitanet.co.uk (jake.akitanet.co.uk [212.1.130.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABD537B408 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 04:54:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@akita.co.uk) Received: from dsl-212-135-208-194.dsl.easynet.co.uk ([212.135.208.194] helo=foo.akitanet.co.uk) by jake.akitanet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 15AVhq-00081H-00 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:54:34 +0100 Received: from paul by foo.akitanet.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #2) id 15AVhM-0005su-00 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:54:04 +0100 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:54:04 +0100 From: Paul Robinson To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Still confused on what I assume to be a simple problem... Message-ID: <20010614125404.M20238@akita.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i X-Scanner: exiscan *15AVhq-00081H-00*$AK$aoiy989/nmsknlgDwG6IH/* Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've done some digging around and I can't see a way of doing this without writing from scratch a lot of code. Basically, does anybody know how to build an ISO image rather than a floppy image, so I can put more apps in, and burn to CD. One option I did consider was to produce the floppy version of install, put the tarball package it expects in the same directory, mkisofs the two of them, and if I had modified the doinstall script to handle it properly, it might have worked. But then I realised that was a stupid idea. At the moment, I'm looking at producing an install floppy to pull a tarball off the CD, and that's definitely not what I want. I would rather it were all on the CD in the first place. Ideas? PLEASE? -- Paul Robinson - Technical Director .---------------------------------------- PO Box 604, Manchester, M60 3PR | A computer lets you make more mistakes T: +44 (0) 161 228 6388 (F: 6389) | than any other invention, with the http://www.akita.co.uk | possible exceptions of handguns and paul@akita.co.uk | Tequila -- Mitch Ratcliffe `--- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 14 7:57: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ipsnetwork.net (mail.ipsnetwork.net [209.202.83.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC7137B403 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:56:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nvidican@ipsnetwork.net) Received: (from apache@localhost) by mail.ipsnetwork.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f5EF4mc05680; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:04:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from nvidican@ipsnetwork.net) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200106141504.f5EF4mc05680@mail.ipsnetwork.net> From: "Nathan Vidican" To: small@freebsd.org Reply-To: nathan@vidican.com Subject: flash/rom drives, and/or touchscreen devices X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.2.1 X-IPAddress: 209.202.83.119 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anyone know of a good/cheap place to find rom/flash drives which coulc be used to boot pico/free bsd from? I'm looking to turn a bunch of smaller P.C.'s into router-type machines, and would like to get away from having to use a floppy. Preferably something which can be written- to using a software utility. I have currently got a machine which boots from such a device, (made by http://www.citadelcomputer.com/), and would like to essentiall produce the same kind of thing. Which brings me to a second question... tocuh screen support from within free/pico bsd (or BSD in general for that matter); does anyone know of a good resource to find driver utilities for utilizing a touch-screen as a mouse/pointer device from within Free/Pico bsd? -- Nathan Vidican Nathan@Vidican.com http://Nathan.Vidican.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 14 8:37:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A795737B401 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:37:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09112; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:37:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:37:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon To: Soren Kristensen Cc: Subject: Re: net4501, now taking orders.... In-Reply-To: <3B28605B.EAD7E0FD@soekris.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Soren Kristensen wrote: > The first production series of 240 boards are now being > manufactured, and boards will be available for delivery at the end > of June 2001. As everybody wanted the 64 Mbyte version, there are > no 32 Mbyte boards in the first series, and I then lowered the > price a little on the 64 Mbyte version. > > My website has now been updated with ordering and payment > information. Just ordered one. Thanks! I'll try to find other people that might want one (unfortunately most of my good friends don't have money to spend on this kind of thing). -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For IA32 and Alpha architectures. IA64, PPC, and ARM under development. http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 14 9:19:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ipsnetwork.net (mail.ipsnetwork.net [209.202.83.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99E337B405 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:19:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nathan@vidican.com) Received: from 78lb019 (gw6.ipsnetwork.net [209.202.83.120]) by mail.ipsnetwork.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f5EGRAv05868; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:27:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from nathan@vidican.com) Message-ID: <000a01c0f4ec$f7b1d5a0$6700000a@78lb019> From: "Nathan Vidican" To: "Chris Dillon" Cc: References: Subject: Re: net4501, now taking orders.... Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:13:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What are these boards for? Nathan Vidican Nathan@Vidican.com http://Nathan.Vidican.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Dillon" To: "Soren Kristensen" Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 11:37 AM Subject: Re: net4501, now taking orders.... > On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Soren Kristensen wrote: > > > The first production series of 240 boards are now being > > manufactured, and boards will be available for delivery at the end > > of June 2001. As everybody wanted the 64 Mbyte version, there are > > no 32 Mbyte boards in the first series, and I then lowered the > > price a little on the 64 Mbyte version. > > > > My website has now been updated with ordering and payment > > information. > > Just ordered one. Thanks! I'll try to find other people that might > want one (unfortunately most of my good friends don't have money to > spend on this kind of thing). > > > -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net > FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. > For IA32 and Alpha architectures. IA64, PPC, and ARM under development. > http://www.freebsd.org > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 14 9:47:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FBC37B405 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:47:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA09764; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:47:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:47:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon To: Nathan Vidican Cc: Subject: Re: net4501, now taking orders.... In-Reply-To: <000a01c0f4ec$f7b1d5a0$6700000a@78lb019> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Nathan Vidican wrote: > What are these boards for? Search the freebsd-small mailing list, or look at http://www.soekris.com. They're basically very small x86 PCs. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For IA32 and Alpha architectures. IA64, PPC, and ARM under development. http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 14 11:12:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from server.soekris.com (soekris.com [216.15.61.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF60037B408 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:12:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Received: from soekris.com (soren.soekris.com [192.168.1.4]) by server.soekris.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA25566; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:12:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Message-ID: <3B28FE78.9BCF9D21@soekris.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:12:08 -0700 From: Soren Kristensen Organization: Soekris Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Neo Lo Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: net4501, now taking orders.... References: <3B28605B.EAD7E0FD@soekris.com> <000c01c0f4c5$26b625e0$132e40d2@neo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Neo, First, I forgot to put a pointer to my website where there is more information about the net4501: http://www.soekris.com Neo Lo wrote: > > Hi, > > Some questions about the board. > 1) How can I install OS such as PicoBSD into the CompactFLASH ? > By the serial port or other way ? There is a PXE bootrom for booting a install over the network. The only other way is to write the CompactFlash on another machine, usually using an IDE adapter or USB reader/writer. > 2) Can I connect an other IDE HardDisk with the default hardware > configuration ? No. > 3) Can I connect a keyboard and a Monitor ? No. > Sorry for my questions. Thanks!! > > Best Regards, > > Neo Lo 14/6 Regards, Soren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 14 16:31:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from arg1.demon.co.uk (arg1.demon.co.uk [194.222.34.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD28A37B405 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:31:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arg@arg1.demon.co.uk) Received: by arg1.demon.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 300) id 137159B03; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:31:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arg1.demon.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074575D1D; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:31:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:31:10 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Gordon X-X-Sender: To: Paul Robinson Cc: Subject: Re: Still confused on what I assume to be a simple problem... In-Reply-To: <20010614125404.M20238@akita.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010615002715.O83795-100000@server.arg.sj.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Paul Robinson wrote: > I've done some digging around and I can't see a way of doing this without > writing from scratch a lot of code. Basically, does anybody know how to build > an ISO image rather than a floppy image, so I can put more apps in, and burn > to CD. The issue here is that you have decided to use PicoBSD rather than a normal system. Putting a normal system on CD is fairly straightforward, and is almost certainly what you want to do unless you have peculiar requirements that you haven't stated. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jun 14 21: 6:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f50.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5E237B405 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:06:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from elfaiz@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:06:15 -0700 Received: from 202.155.23.190 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 04:06:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [202.155.23.190] From: "elfaiz muhammad" To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: PicoBSD password Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:06:15 +0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2001 04:06:15.0367 (UTC) FILETIME=[85949570:01C0F550] Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG
Hi All,
I just create PicoBSD image from 4.3-RELEASE, everything is OK until the login ask for password, does anyone know what it is ? or how to overcome this problem ?
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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 15 1: 5:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from subtopia.informationwave.net (subtopia.informationwave.net [199.74.235.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E5537B403 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 01:05:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from missnglnk@informationwave.net) Received: by subtopia.informationwave.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 4C2881C981; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:58:16 -0400 From: Omachonu Ogali To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: State of PicoBSD Message-ID: <20010615035816.A28254@subtopia.informationwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Out of curiousity, what's the current state of PicoBSD? -- Omachonu Ogali missnglnk@informationwave.net http://www.informationwave.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 15 1:24:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from jake.akitanet.co.uk (jake.akitanet.co.uk [212.1.130.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C83BE37B403 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 01:24:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@akita.co.uk) Received: from dsl-212-135-208-194.dsl.easynet.co.uk ([212.135.208.194] helo=foo.akitanet.co.uk) by jake.akitanet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 15Aotv-0000PY-00; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:24:19 +0100 Received: from paul by foo.akitanet.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #2) id 15AotP-00083O-00; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:23:47 +0100 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:23:47 +0100 From: Paul Robinson To: Andrew Gordon Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still confused on what I assume to be a simple problem... Message-ID: <20010615092347.G23043@akita.co.uk> References: <20010614125404.M20238@akita.co.uk> <20010615002715.O83795-100000@server.arg.sj.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <20010615002715.O83795-100000@server.arg.sj.co.uk>; from arg@arg1.demon.co.uk on Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 12:31:10AM +0100 X-Scanner: exiscan *15Aotv-0000PY-00*$AK$ouWhMjd5TuG/Qnu7G.WGM1* Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 12:31:10AM +0100, Andrew Gordon wrote: > The issue here is that you have decided to use PicoBSD rather than a > normal system. Putting a normal system on CD is fairly straightforward, > and is almost certainly what you want to do unless you have peculiar > requirements that you haven't stated. I don't think you understand. From other posts (that may or may not have made it to the list), I've stated that this is a completely custom piece of software. This is not a BSD box for the use of BSD - it's a box that runs in-house software to do one particular job, and it happens to have been written for BSD. All I want is a kernel, some libraries, a few applications, some rc scripts and the ability to dial up with a modem. The machine will go onto a customer's site in the middle of god knows where. I don't want anything on it that does not have to be there. This CD is not for use - it's for automated installation. A very, very, very specific installation designed for people who have never seen a command line in their lives. They *certainly* don't want to know about disk partitions, disklabel, etc. as that defeats the object of this exercise. In other words, I want PicoBSD. A modified install image. But the libraries and apps are a bit chunky, can't be shrunk and therefore I need to burn it up to CD. The customer takes the CD, puts it in his machine, 10 minutes later they fill in some details they are prompted for (custom stuff I'm doing), and that's it. They have a working system, on the hard disk, fully installed, and they never have to think about it again. I have to say, I am mildly suprised that I've had a lot of feedback from this list both on an off list that basically goes on about how I must be a moron, and that I should be using standard FreeBSD installs. It's not helpful, and I'd appreciate that unless you know the answer to what I want to do (build an ISO of a custom picobsd image) that you don't use me as a channel to tell the world how rubbish you think PicoBSD is. If that is how you feel, perhaps you're on the wrong mailing list. :-) -- Paul Robinson - Technical Director .---------------------------------------- PO Box 604, Manchester, M60 3PR | A computer lets you make more mistakes T: +44 (0) 161 228 6388 (F: 6389) | than any other invention, with the http://www.akita.co.uk | possible exceptions of handguns and paul@akita.co.uk | Tequila -- Mitch Ratcliffe `--- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 15 6: 6:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ipsnetwork.net (mail.ipsnetwork.net [209.202.83.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53B837B403 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:06:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nvidican@ipsnetwork.net) Received: (from apache@localhost) by mail.ipsnetwork.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f5FDEPo08741; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:14:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from nvidican@ipsnetwork.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200106151314.f5FDEPo08741@mail.ipsnetwork.net> From: "Nathan Vidican" To: Omachonu Ogali Cc: small@freebsd.org Reply-To: nathan@vidican.com Subject: Re: State of PicoBSD X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.2.1 X-IPAddress: 209.202.83.119 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Out of curiousity, what's the current state of PicoBSD? > -- > Omachonu Ogali > missnglnk@informationwave.net > http://www.informationwave.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > The 'status' could be summed up as fairly complete I'd say. For the most part, PicoBSD users are using it for some custom purpose. You can build your own copy of PicoBSD using just about any post 3.0 release of FreeBSD with the sources currently commited to the tree. I've been told it can be done with 2.X branches as well, but have never tried to personally. In summation, I'd have to say that it's complete; as complete as it will be for now. Like the standard release of FreeBSD, improvements, and additions will most likely continue onward in the future... but PicoBSD is definetly alive and doing well as-is. -- Nathan Vidican Nathan@Vidican.com http://Nathan.Vidic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 15 7:34:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from subtopia.informationwave.net (subtopia.informationwave.net [199.74.235.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1571337B40A for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:34:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from missnglnk@informationwave.net) Received: by subtopia.informationwave.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id C388C1C982; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:26:50 -0400 From: Omachonu Ogali To: "Nathan Vidican" Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: State of PicoBSD Message-ID: <20010615102650.A2333@subtopia.informationwave.net> References: <200106151314.f5FDEPo08741@mail.ipsnetwork.net> <20010615101216.A2201@subtopia.informationwave.net> <000401c0f5a6$d760b770$6700000a@78lb019> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000401c0f5a6$d760b770$6700000a@78lb019>; from nathan@vidican.com on Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:24:09AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:24:09AM -0400, Nathan Vidican wrote: > I know of people running PicoBSD built from FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE sources, as > well as 4.3-RELEASE, so it shouldn't be broken? You'll need the FreeBSD > source-code on a machine mounted to /usr/src, in order to build picobsd. This is what concerns me: $ ls -la /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/build ls: /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/build: No such file or directory And after taking a look at the CVS tree, it seems the build script was checked into the attic, is there now a new way of building PicoBSD? > Nathan Vidican > Nathan@Vidican.com > http://Nathan.Vidican.com/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Omachonu Ogali" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: State of PicoBSD > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 09:14:25AM -0400, Nathan Vidican wrote: > > > > Out of curiousity, what's the current state of PicoBSD? > > > > -- > > > > Omachonu Ogali > > > > missnglnk@informationwave.net > > > > http://www.informationwave.net > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > The 'status' could be summed up as fairly complete I'd say. For the most > > > part, PicoBSD users are using it for some custom purpose. You can build > > > your own copy of PicoBSD using just about any post 3.0 release of > > > FreeBSD with the sources currently commited to the tree. I've been told > > > it can be done with 2.X branches as well, but have never tried to > > > personally. > > > In summation, I'd have to say that it's complete; as complete as it > > > will be for now. Like the standard release of FreeBSD, improvements, and > > > additions will most likely continue onward in the future... but PicoBSD > > > is definetly alive and doing well as-is. > > > > Well, I wanted to know if it was broken or working in -STABLE, > > because it looks like it's broken to me in -CURRENT. > > > > > -- > > > Nathan Vidican > > > Nathan@Vidican.com > > > http://Nathan.Vidic > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > > -- > > Omachonu Ogali > > missnglnk@informationwave.net > > http://www.informationwave.net > > > > -- Omachonu Ogali missnglnk@informationwave.net http://www.informationwave.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 15 7:53:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from comp1.mastery.ca (comp1.mastery.ca [209.202.88.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBA537B401 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:53:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mail@max-info.net) Received: from 78kw954 ([209.202.88.150]) (authenticated) by comp1.mastery.ca (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5FErGF06575; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:53:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mail@max-info.net) Message-ID: <01fb01c0f5aa$e8999a80$3200000a@Intranet> From: "Ryan Masse" To: "Omachonu Ogali" Cc: References: <200106151314.f5FDEPo08741@mail.ipsnetwork.net> <20010615101216.A2201@subtopia.informationwave.net> <000401c0f5a6$d760b770$6700000a@78lb019> <20010615102650.A2333@subtopia.informationwave.net> Subject: Re: State of PicoBSD Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:53:16 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * sorry forgot to cc the list :) The build script from the 4.3-RELEASE picobsd source is /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/picobsd. IMHO the picobsd source from 4.3-RELEASE is unreliable. I just spent the last 2 weeks pulling my hair out trying to build a custom net image for a wireless picobsd setup. I finally rm -rf /usr/src/release and cvsup'd the sources from 4.2-RELEASE in which worked beautifully the first time around. Ryan > On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:24:09AM -0400, Nathan Vidican wrote: > > I know of people running PicoBSD built from FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE sources, as > > well as 4.3-RELEASE, so it shouldn't be broken? You'll need the FreeBSD > > source-code on a machine mounted to /usr/src, in order to build picobsd. > > This is what concerns me: > $ ls -la /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/build > ls: /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/build: No such file or directory > > And after taking a look at the CVS tree, it seems the build script was > checked into the attic, is there now a new way of building PicoBSD? > > > Nathan Vidican > > Nathan@Vidican.com > > http://Nathan.Vidican.com/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Omachonu Ogali" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:12 AM > > Subject: Re: State of PicoBSD > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 09:14:25AM -0400, Nathan Vidican wrote: > > > > > Out of curiousity, what's the current state of PicoBSD? > > > > > -- > > > > > Omachonu Ogali > > > > > missnglnk@informationwave.net > > > > > http://www.informationwave.net > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'status' could be summed up as fairly complete I'd say. For the most > > > > part, PicoBSD users are using it for some custom purpose. You can build > > > > your own copy of PicoBSD using just about any post 3.0 release of > > > > FreeBSD with the sources currently commited to the tree. I've been told > > > > it can be done with 2.X branches as well, but have never tried to > > > > personally. > > > > In summation, I'd have to say that it's complete; as complete as it > > > > will be for now. Like the standard release of FreeBSD, improvements, and > > > > additions will most likely continue onward in the future... but PicoBSD > > > > is definetly alive and doing well as-is. > > > > > > Well, I wanted to know if it was broken or working in -STABLE, > > > because it looks like it's broken to me in -CURRENT. > > > > > > > -- > > > > Nathan Vidican > > > > Nathan@Vidican.com > > > > http://Nathan.Vidic > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > > Omachonu Ogali > > > missnglnk@informationwave.net > > > http://www.informationwave.net > > > > > > > > > -- > Omachonu Ogali > missnglnk@informationwave.net > http://www.informationwave.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 15 7:53:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from jake.akitanet.co.uk (jake.akitanet.co.uk [212.1.130.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9294337B401 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 07:53:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@akita.co.uk) Received: from dsl-212-135-208-194.dsl.easynet.co.uk ([212.135.208.194] helo=foo.akitanet.co.uk) by jake.akitanet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 15Auxt-0007oC-00; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:52:49 +0100 Received: from paul by foo.akitanet.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #2) id 15AuxO-0000LQ-00; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:52:18 +0100 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:52:18 +0100 From: Paul Robinson To: Omachonu Ogali Cc: Nathan Vidican , freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: State of PicoBSD Message-ID: <20010615155218.P23043@akita.co.uk> References: <200106151314.f5FDEPo08741@mail.ipsnetwork.net> <20010615101216.A2201@subtopia.informationwave.net> <000401c0f5a6$d760b770$6700000a@78lb019> <20010615102650.A2333@subtopia.informationwave.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <20010615102650.A2333@subtopia.informationwave.net>; from missnglnk@informationwave.net on Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:26:50AM -0400 X-Scanner: exiscan *15Auxt-0007oC-00*$AK$X6aUU9TyQmF1aF1dDleFI.* Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:26:50AM -0400, Omachonu Ogali wrote: > This is what concerns me: > $ ls -la /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/build > ls: /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/build: No such file or directory > > And after taking a look at the CVS tree, it seems the build script was > checked into the attic, is there now a new way of building PicoBSD? I've only really started playing with it the last few days, and that threw me for a little bit as well. To my knowledge, it appears that the following works: /usr/local/src/release/picobsd/build/picobsd Although I'm only just starting my first build now, so I might be wrong. :-) Also, the 'install' image has crunch.conf in the wrong place, and so this script doesn't seem to like it. So, if you're in the build dir, you might want to cp ../install/crunch1/crunch.conf ../install/ - although this might have been my screw-up (in which case I apologise in advance). -- Paul Robinson - Technical Director .---------------------------------------- PO Box 604, Manchester, M60 3PR | A computer lets you make more mistakes T: +44 (0) 161 228 6388 (F: 6389) | than any other invention, with the http://www.akita.co.uk | possible exceptions of handguns and paul@akita.co.uk | Tequila -- Mitch Ratcliffe `--- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 15 9: 5:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from subtopia.informationwave.net (subtopia.informationwave.net [199.74.235.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CFD37B406 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 09:05:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from missnglnk@informationwave.net) Received: by subtopia.informationwave.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id CC77E1C988; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:57:54 -0400 From: Omachonu Ogali To: "Ryan Masse" Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: State of PicoBSD Message-ID: <20010615115754.A3722@subtopia.informationwave.net> References: <200106151314.f5FDEPo08741@mail.ipsnetwork.net> <20010615101216.A2201@subtopia.informationwave.net> <000401c0f5a6$d760b770$6700000a@78lb019> <20010615102650.A2333@subtopia.informationwave.net> <01fb01c0f5aa$e8999a80$3200000a@Intranet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01fb01c0f5aa$e8999a80$3200000a@Intranet>; from mail@max-info.net on Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:53:16AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:53:16AM -0400, Ryan Masse wrote: > * sorry forgot to cc the list :) > > The build script from the 4.3-RELEASE picobsd source is > /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/picobsd. IMHO the picobsd source from > 4.3-RELEASE is unreliable. I just spent the last 2 weeks pulling my hair out > trying to build a custom net image for a wireless picobsd setup. I finally > rm -rf /usr/src/release and cvsup'd the sources from 4.2-RELEASE in which > worked beautifully the first time around. Ah hah, there's our problem...out of date documentation. how2build.html and intrinsics.html still reference the 'build' script... Take a look at: http://www.informationwave.net/~missng/picobsd/freebsd-release-20010615.patch > Ryan > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 10:24:09AM -0400, Nathan Vidican wrote: > > > I know of people running PicoBSD built from FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE sources, > as > > > well as 4.3-RELEASE, so it shouldn't be broken? You'll need the FreeBSD > > > source-code on a machine mounted to /usr/src, in order to build picobsd. > > > > This is what concerns me: > > $ ls -la /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/build > > ls: /usr/src/release/picobsd/build/build: No such file or directory > > > > And after taking a look at the CVS tree, it seems the build script was > > checked into the attic, is there now a new way of building PicoBSD? > > > > > Nathan Vidican > > > Nathan@Vidican.com > > > http://Nathan.Vidican.com/ > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Omachonu Ogali" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 10:12 AM > > > Subject: Re: State of PicoBSD > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 09:14:25AM -0400, Nathan Vidican wrote: > > > > > > Out of curiousity, what's the current state of PicoBSD? > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Omachonu Ogali > > > > > > missnglnk@informationwave.net > > > > > > http://www.informationwave.net > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'status' could be summed up as fairly complete I'd say. For the > most > > > > > part, PicoBSD users are using it for some custom purpose. You can > build > > > > > your own copy of PicoBSD using just about any post 3.0 release of > > > > > FreeBSD with the sources currently commited to the tree. I've been > told > > > > > it can be done with 2.X branches as well, but have never tried to > > > > > personally. > > > > > In summation, I'd have to say that it's complete; as complete as > it > > > > > will be for now. Like the standard release of FreeBSD, improvements, > and > > > > > additions will most likely continue onward in the future... but > PicoBSD > > > > > is definetly alive and doing well as-is. > > > > > > > > Well, I wanted to know if it was broken or working in -STABLE, > > > > because it looks like it's broken to me in -CURRENT. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Nathan Vidican > > > > > Nathan@Vidican.com > > > > > http://Nathan.Vidic > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Omachonu Ogali > > > > missnglnk@informationwave.net > > > > http://www.informationwave.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Omachonu Ogali > > missnglnk@informationwave.net > > http://www.informationwave.net > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > > -- Omachonu Ogali missnglnk@informationwave.net http://www.informationwave.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 15 13:56:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.sysadmin-inc.com (ns2.sysadmin-inc.com [209.16.228.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B7FF037B409 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 13:55:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pab@sysadmin-inc.com) Received: (qmail 34249 invoked by alias); 15 Jun 2001 20:55:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w2kstest) (10.10.1.70) by ns2.sysadmin-inc.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 20:55:56 -0000 From: "Peter Brezny" To: "elfaiz muhammad" Cc: Subject: RE: PicoBSD password Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 16:55:21 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0F5BB.F68821A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0F5BB.F68821A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Which 'flavor' did you build? Several of them use setup as the root password by default. Peter Brezny SysAdmin Services Inc. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of elfaiz muhammad Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:06 AM To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: PicoBSD password Hi All, I just create PicoBSD image from 4.3-RELEASE, everything is OK until the login ask for password, does anyone know what it is ? or how to overcome this problem ? Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0F5BB.F68821A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Which=20 'flavor' did you build?
 
Several of them use
 
setup
 
as the=20 root password by default.
 

Peter Brezny
SysAdmin Services Inc.

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Hi All,
I just create PicoBSD image from 4.3-RELEASE, everything is OK = until the=20 login ask for password, does anyone know what it is ? or how to = overcome this=20 problem ?
Thanks
 

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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0F5BB.F68821A0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 15 14:28:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [64.211.219.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7D037B401 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:28:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03624; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:28:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAzCaOch; Fri Jun 15 14:28:37 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA24264; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:32:40 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200106152132.OAA24264@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Still confused on what I assume to be a simple problem... To: paul@akita.co.uk Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 21:32:39 +0000 (GMT) Cc: arg@arg1.demon.co.uk, freebsd-small@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ] > The issue here is that you have decided to use PicoBSD rather than a ] > normal system. Putting a normal system on CD is fairly straightforward, ] > and is almost certainly what you want to do unless you have peculiar ] > requirements that you haven't stated. ] ] I don't think you understand. From other posts (that may or may not have made ] it to the list), I've stated that this is a completely custom piece of ] software. This is not a BSD box for the use of BSD - it's a box that runs ] in-house software to do one particular job, and it happens to have been ] written for BSD. All I want is a kernel, some libraries, a few applications, ] some rc scripts and the ability to dial up with a modem. The machine will go ] onto a customer's site in the middle of god knows where. I don't want anything ] on it that does not have to be there. This CD is not for use - it's for ] automated installation. A very, very, very specific installation designed for ] people who have never seen a command line in their lives. They *certainly* ] don't want to know about disk partitions, disklabel, etc. as that defeats the ] object of this exercise. ] ] In other words, I want PicoBSD. A modified install image. But the libraries ] and apps are a bit chunky, can't be shrunk and therefore I need to burn it up ] to CD. The customer takes the CD, puts it in his machine, 10 minutes later ] they fill in some details they are prompted for (custom stuff I'm doing), and ] that's it. They have a working system, on the hard disk, fully installed, and ] they never have to think about it again. The FreeBSD insteallation and release process is not capable of doing this at this time. I recently posted some patches to sysinstall, which were designed to permit the use of kernel configuration files other than "GENERIC" in the production of CDROM images. These patches were rejected by Jordan as "unnecessary", even though there are a lot of us who would use them (including anyone with a custom engineering workstation environment, etc.). You can pick these patches up from the mailing list archives. This isn't the whole thing, though, since there are several other things you will need to do that have been pretty much ignored in the FreeBSD community, so far: o Base system components are not registered with the package system, and are installed monolithically. This means that you can't omit them in a particular installation. The workaround for this lack is to install them, and then delete off the stuff you don't need (sort of a reverse 'mtree' scenario). This doesn't work well if you are doing an install to small media, such as flash, since the install image is very large; the fact that it gets small enough to fit later is insufficient consolation o The install system is not scriptable. This means that even if you broke the base system up into components, you would be unable to automate the installation process. The workaround for this is to replace sysinstall with your own program; potentially, this program would invoke a shell script at a known location on the CDROM, which could do all the necessary partitioning work, etc., and untar an image of your system which was hand-crafted, and added to the CDROM. o It's hard to replace sysinstall. The image building process makes it very difficult to do an easy replacement of sysinstall, since it has so many bad assumptions (the assumption that it will build and use a sysinstall program). The workaround for this is to change the boot blocks to load your program instead of sysinstall, and just let it build the thing. The problem with this is that you could run out of space on the boot floppy image on the CDROM which is being used to do the boot from CDROM. o If you boot to a login prompt, there are a series of things that you can do to "rebadge" the system (an important thing for embedded systems that ship in real products). These are poorly documented; I'm working on an article to tell people how to address this. Unfortunately, to do a complete job, you need to patches to /bin/login (I posted these as well), patches to the boot prompt statement in /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2/boot2.c, and patches to the FreeBSD kernel itself, to permit stripping/replacement of Copyright statements (this *IS* legal, even if it is quite undesirable from the projects perspective, so long as credit is given in the accompanying documentation). Most of these patches have also been rejected through a failure to commit them, and that has stalled my completion of the article (actually, a series of them for Pentad Embedded Systems Journal). o There are other issues, such as default configuration files for things like putting a "-P" in /boot/config to permit use of a serial console (if the thing has a consle at all), and the creation of /etc/ttys based on compilation options for the "make release" process, to start a getty on the port; similarly, /etc/login.conf and /etc/gettytab contents need to have "plus user information" or "replace these" options. Note: There are "patch" processes wedged into the "make release" process. These are woefully inadequate for your needs, since using them damages your ability to do a "make rerelease" or to make an updated system (say for tracking -stable bug fixes), since it will result in unresolvable cvs conflicts, in the same way that patching GENERIC instead of using your own config file will cause problems. o FreeBSD doesn't support the "field upgrade" operation on embedded systems very well since the conversion to ELF broke "nextboot". I have code to do this about 3/4's complete, and promises of help from a couple of other people, so this might be possible to fix in the near future. o FreeBSD's startup scripts are rather monolithic; this pretty much means you end up having to "roll your own", or have to install everything and config the hell out of it with a very big rc.conf and a potentially very large rc.local. This is being addressed: -current is talking about bringing in the NetBSD rc scripts. This isn't very helpful, unless there is an MFC ("Merge From Current"), since it is unlikely that 5.0 will be usable in a product for a very long time (perhaps as far away as late 2002 and a 5.2 release). Sorry. I guess this is your workaround for the "field upgrade" problem? I've got code that addresses a lot of these things (thought not the rc file stuff and not the software layering stuff), but there seems to be little willingness to commit the code. This may be because making FreeBSD more usable for embedded systems conflicts with the interests of WindRiver Systems; certainly, there is no rational explanation for keeping these things broken that has been presented as an alternative explanation. I suspect that for the immediate future, you will find that you will have to do the "replace sysinstall using a patch" approach, and have an image of the system you want and a script that spams it onto the disk without sufficient error checking... I know that that's not the answer you wanted. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jun 15 20:21:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail003.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail003.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA24537B401 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 20:20:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from famzon@bigfoot.com) Received: from andrewhnb (golax5-050.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.99.50]) by mail003.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f5G3K9I31953; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:20:15 +1000 Message-ID: <008001c0f614$7f517ec0$8b420acb@andrewhnb> From: "Andrew Hannam" To: "Paul Robinson" Cc: References: <20010614125404.M20238@akita.co.uk> <20010615002715.O83795-100000@server.arg.sj.co.uk> <20010615092347.G23043@akita.co.uk> Subject: Re: Still confused on what I assume to be a simple problem... Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:12:15 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG PicoBSD at some stage builds a floppy image using a vn device appropriately configured. I would suggest that you increase the size of the vn image to match the size of the image for your CD and comment out the part of the pico build that places that onto a floppy. Once the (now large) floppy image is built - remount it using vnconfig and then use mkfsiso to create a CD image from it. You may want to set the necessary options to make it build a separate MFS image rather than squashing it into the kernel. Once you have that working you may also want to try getting rid of the MFS root file system altogether and use the CD as the root file system. This however may not be necessary for your application. Good luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Robinson" To: "Andrew Gordon" Cc: Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: Re: Still confused on what I assume to be a simple problem... > On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 12:31:10AM +0100, Andrew Gordon wrote: > > > The issue here is that you have decided to use PicoBSD rather than a > > normal system. Putting a normal system on CD is fairly straightforward, > > and is almost certainly what you want to do unless you have peculiar > > requirements that you haven't stated. > > I don't think you understand. From other posts (that may or may not have made > it to the list), I've stated that this is a completely custom piece of > software. This is not a BSD box for the use of BSD - it's a box that runs > in-house software to do one particular job, and it happens to have been > written for BSD. All I want is a kernel, some libraries, a few applications, > some rc scripts and the ability to dial up with a modem. The machine will go > onto a customer's site in the middle of god knows where. I don't want anything > on it that does not have to be there. This CD is not for use - it's for > automated installation. A very, very, very specific installation designed for > people who have never seen a command line in their lives. They *certainly* > don't want to know about disk partitions, disklabel, etc. as that defeats the > object of this exercise. > > In other words, I want PicoBSD. A modified install image. But the libraries > and apps are a bit chunky, can't be shrunk and therefore I need to burn it up > to CD. The customer takes the CD, puts it in his machine, 10 minutes later > they fill in some details they are prompted for (custom stuff I'm doing), and > that's it. They have a working system, on the hard disk, fully installed, and > they never have to think about it again. > > I have to say, I am mildly suprised that I've had a lot of feedback from this > list both on an off list that basically goes on about how I must be a moron, > and that I should be using standard FreeBSD installs. It's not helpful, and > I'd appreciate that unless you know the answer to what I want to do (build an > ISO of a custom picobsd image) that you don't use me as a channel to tell the > world how rubbish you think PicoBSD is. If that is how you feel, perhaps > you're on the wrong mailing list. :-) > > -- > Paul Robinson - Technical Director .---------------------------------------- > PO Box 604, Manchester, M60 3PR | A computer lets you make more mistakes > T: +44 (0) 161 228 6388 (F: 6389) | than any other invention, with the > http://www.akita.co.uk | possible exceptions of handguns and > paul@akita.co.uk | Tequila -- Mitch Ratcliffe > `--- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message