From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 0:50:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nomad.com (dialup-59-72.dplanet.ch [212.35.59.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855B437B401 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nomad.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6M7xiW00454; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:59:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:59:43 +0200 (CEST) From: "A. L. Meyers" To: "Derek C." Cc: Subject: Re: Please be nice to the newbie.... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010721140325.03534e40@mail.blarg.net> Message-ID: <20010722095754.V452-100000@nomad.consult-meyers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Derek C. wrote: > Hello all, I am new to FreeBSD, and I am about to embark on my first > FreeBSD kernel compile. I am very familiar with the kernel build process in > linux, but FreeBSD appears to be a very different animal in that respect. > > So, what I am asking, is there any advice that you would care to impart to > this FreeBSD newbie (aside from RTFM, which I have done... FreeBSD's docs > kick butt)? > > I appreciate it, > > Derek > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > Derek, Have found studying the "LINT" kernel config file, which is very well commented, extremely useful when configuring a new kernel. /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT Greetings, Lucien To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 0:53:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D76F37B401 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:53:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from coffee@blarg.net) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B9FBC78; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paco.blarg.net (trilluser@paco.fatburrito.com [206.124.139.210]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02013; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:53:24 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010722005420.03214a20@mail.blarg.net> X-Sender: coffee@mail.blarg.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:56:04 -0700 To: "A. L. Meyers" From: "Derek C." Subject: Re: Please be nice to the newbie.... Cc: In-Reply-To: <20010722095754.V452-100000@nomad.consult-meyers.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010721140325.03534e40@mail.blarg.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :-) I was just talking to someone earlier about how lint seems to leave out a few key items of documentation, like what is required for SMBFS to work... Anyway, I've recompiled about 83 times since I sent in that post, trying to get ata-all.c to see my cd-rom, and I've only made one broken kernel, so I think I'm getting the hang of it... Derek At 12:59 AM 7/22/2001, A. L. Meyers wrote: >On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Derek C. wrote: > > > Hello all, I am new to FreeBSD, and I am about to embark on my first > > FreeBSD kernel compile. I am very familiar with the kernel build process in > > linux, but FreeBSD appears to be a very different animal in that respect. > > > > So, what I am asking, is there any advice that you would care to impart to > > this FreeBSD newbie (aside from RTFM, which I have done... FreeBSD's docs > > kick butt)? > > > > I appreciate it, > > > > Derek > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > >Derek, > >Have found studying the "LINT" kernel config file, which is very >well commented, extremely useful when configuring a new kernel. > >/usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT > > >Greetings, > >Lucien To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 1:12: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nomad.com (dialup-61-74.dplanet.ch [212.35.61.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6118837B401 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 01:11:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nomad.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6M8LNW00673; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:21:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:21:22 +0200 (CEST) From: "A. L. Meyers" To: "Derek C." Cc: Subject: Re: Please be nice to the newbie.... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010722005420.03214a20@mail.blarg.net> Message-ID: <20010722101903.G452-100000@nomad.consult-meyers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Derek C. wrote: > :-) I was just talking to someone earlier about how lint seems to leave out > a few key items of documentation, like what is required for SMBFS to work... Possible or probable. > > Anyway, I've recompiled about 83 times since I sent in that post, trying to > get ata-all.c to see my cd-rom, and I've only made one broken kernel, so I > think I'm getting the hang of it... > > Derek Derek, Get some sleep and enjoy the beautiful weather (if it's like here). Afterwards the kernel will compile much better. ;-) Cheers! Lucien To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 8: 7:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cs.utep.edu (mail.cs.utep.edu [129.108.5.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EACF137B405; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 08:07:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from janb@cs.utep.edu) Received: from chameleon (chameleon [129.108.5.52]) by cs.utep.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6MF7R414492; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:07:28 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:07:27 -0600 (MDT) From: X-Sender: To: "Albert D. Cahalan" Cc: , , , Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.3 and 6G RAM In-Reply-To: <200107220319.f6M3JtJ163258@saturn.cs.uml.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Solaris (?), Linux, Windows, and UnixWare support 36-bit addressing. > None of these require special patches. Windows and UnixWare might > still only offer this memory via a special API for databases. As far as windows is concerned, all versions of windows 2000 have the AWE-API (Address Window Extensions). there are only 5 api calls and the use of this type of memory is very restrictive (windows, what did you expect...) much more so, than the hardware neccesitates. Even though the API is there on all versions, in order to use more than 4GB, you have to buy the Advanced Server. If you want to use more than 8GB, you need the Datacenter Version, which, as far as I know, you cannot purchase seperately. Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 8: 9: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.shagged.org (rtfm.shagged.org [195.11.8.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108B337B405 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 08:08:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@shagged.org) Received: from chris by mail.shagged.org with local (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15OKqf-000HXs-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:08:49 +0100 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:08:49 +0100 From: Chris Elsworth To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ipfw, pipes, and weighting Message-ID: <20010722160849.A67008@shagged.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ello all, I've just been playing with ipfw trying to get weighting to work. My end desire is this - make ssh lag-free regardless of what else is going on - ftp traffic being the worst offender. So I set out with this: ipfw add queue 1 ip from $LOCALNET to 195.11.55.73 ipfw add queue 2 ip from $LOCALNET to not 195.11.55.73 ipfw queue 1 config weight 100 pipe 1 mask src-ip 0xffffffff dst-ip 0xffffffff ipfw queue 2 config weight 1 pipe 1 mask src-ip 0xffffffff dst-ip 0xffffffff ipfw pipe 1 config bw 0 right at the top of my firewall sh script. I was hoping this would give top priority anything going to 195.11.55.73, and bottom priority to anything not going there. The output of ipfw pipe show looks correct - I can see a connection to 195.11.55.73 from my box (which happened to be ssh).. q00001: weight 100 pipe 1 50 sl. 1 queues (64 buckets) droptail mask: 0x00 0xffffffff/0x0000 -> 0xffffffff/0x0000 BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte Drp 16 ip 195.11.8.226/0 195.11.55.73/0 90 5456 0 0 0 q00002: weight 1 pipe 1 50 sl. 41 queues (64 buckets) droptail mask: 0x00 0xffffffff/0x0000 -> 0xffffffff/0x0000 BKT Prot ___Source IP/port____ ____Dest. IP/port____ Tot_pkt/bytes Pkt/Byte Drp 2 ip 195.11.8.253/0 63.197.148.248/0 10 910 0 0 0 4 ip 195.11.8.226/0 193.216.39.123/0 2 68 0 0 0 You can also see there were other connections accumulating in q00002 (there were many more) so that part appears to be working - the right connections are going to the right queues. What doesn't work is the weighting itself. I saw absolutely no difference whether I had those rules in or not. What am I missing? If you need any more info please shout. Thanks in anticipation. -- Chris Elsworth - Software & Systems Developer / Systems Administrator girls = time x money (and time is money) . chrise@demon.net = money^2 (money is root of all evil) . . tel: 020 8371 1041 = _/(evil^2) = evil t h u s mob: 07968 324 693 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 9:25:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta06-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1561D37B401 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:25:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ron@zappa.demon.nl) Received: from sonic ([213.93.216.127]) by amsmta06-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license dd4a379df8e387594186908c65258374) with SMTP id <20010722162522.HTEH13241.amsmta06-svc@sonic> for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:25:22 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c112ca$e9a9d600$0404a8c0@smalweer.nl> From: "Ron Klinkien" To: Subject: Wanted: Working make_device_driver.sh for STABLE Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:25:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I an attempt to port an old 8255 ISA iocard driver to the new driver skeleton of FreeBSD-STABLE I got stuck on the first command I typed. # cd /usr/share/examples/drivers # sh ./make_device_driver.sh iocard config: line 246: syntax error make: don't know how to make depend. Stop make: don't know how to make iocard.o. Stop make: no target to make. I was hoping for a more succesfull start to this rather difficult task. ;0) Anyone can point me to a working driver skeleton create script? Regards, Ron. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 9:38:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5EB437B403 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:38:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6MGbrt91093; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:37:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: chad@DCFinc.com Cc: twchan@singnet.com.sg, sreese@codysbooks.com, sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu, sbernard@gmu.edu, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: packages/INDEX on ftp.freebsd.org corrupted [was: Re: Has anybody been having problem with latest Snapshot for 4.3? (Release 4.3-20010718-STABLE)] In-Reply-To: <20010721180649.A19790@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: <20010721142749.C19014@freeway.dcfinc.com> <20010721151923Q.jkh@freebsd.org> <20010721180649.A19790@freeway.dcfinc.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010722093753U.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 09:37:53 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 47 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You have the code, why are you asking? Go LOOK. Yeesh, people have gotten so lazy! :) - Jordan From: "Chad R. Larson" Subject: Re: packages/INDEX on ftp.freebsd.org corrupted [was: Re: Has anybody been having problem with latest Snapshot for 4.3? (Release 4.3-20010718-STABLE)] Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 18:06:49 -0700 > On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 03:19:23PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > From: "Chad R. Larson" > > Subject: Re: packages/INDEX on ftp.freebsd.org corrupted [was: Re: Has > > anybody been having problem with latest Snapshot for 4.3? (Release > > 4.3-20010718-STABLE)] > > Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 14:27:49 -0700 > > > > > Sounds like a two pronger. > > > 1) Jordan (or whomever is working in his stead) should fix > > > sysinstall so it behaves correctly in the face of incorrect > > > input data. > > > > Back in June: > > > > revision 1.91 > > date: 2001/06/22 21:47:55; author: dd; state: Exp; lines: +4 -4 > > Increase the buffer sizes for the build deps, run deps, and the line > > itself verbatim from INDEX. This fixes seg. faults with newer INDEX > > files which have some gnome ports with outrageously long run deps. > > > > Approved by: jkh > > And those new, larger buffers are written into by > > strncpy(dest_buff, src_buff, sizeof(dest_buff)); > or > read(fd, buffer, sizeof(buffer)); > > or some other bounded function, yes? > > -crl > -- > Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? > chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com > DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 10:36:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pop3.psconsult.nl (ps226.psconsult.nl [193.67.147.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378E037B403 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:36:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@pop3.psconsult.nl) Received: (from paul@localhost) by pop3.psconsult.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) id TAA86858 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:36:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from paul) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:36:40 +0200 From: Paul Schenkeveld To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Diskless VMware bridge problem Message-ID: <20010722193640.A86752@psconsult.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm trying to get VMware 2 to work on a diskless workstation using a bridged ethernet interface. The system freezes and complains that the NFS server is down when line 7 of the snippet of rc.d/vmware.sh shown below gets executed. 1 if [ X$bridged = XYES ]; then 2 kldstat -v | grep netgraph >/dev/null || kldload netgraph.ko 3 kldstat -v | grep ng_ether >/dev/null || kldload ng_ether.ko 4 kldstat -v | grep ng_bridge >/dev/null || kldload ng_bridge.ko 5 ngctl mkpeer vmnet1: bridge lower link0 6 ngctl name vmnet1:lower vmnet_bridge 7 ngctl connect vmnet_bridge: ${bridge_interface}: link1 lower 8 ngctl connect vmnet_bridge: ${bridge_interface}: link2 upper 9 ngctl msg ${bridge_interface}: setautosrc 0 10 ngctl msg ${bridge_interface}: setpromisc 1 11 ngctl msg vmnet1: setautosrc 0 12 ngctl msg vmnet1: setpromisc 1 13 fi The system is running RELENG_4_3 of 2001/07/21 23:00 UTC, the tap diffs are applied. Root, /usr and /home are NFS mounted and /dev, /etc and /var are mfs mounts (as set up by rc.diskless[12]). What puzzles me most is that everything is running fine when I do exactly the same on the same machine with a harddisk (same kernel and userland). I really need bridging for this virtual machine and I'd be very unhappy to put a disk into the machine or make root a memory disk. Any ideas out there? Need more info? Let me know. Thanks in advance, Paul Schenkeveld To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 11:42:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE1C37B401 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:42:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpedras@webvolution.net) Received: from mobinho.tafkap.priv ([24.20.85.174]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010722184231.RSGM14903.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@mobinho.tafkap.priv> for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:42:31 -0700 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:43:33 -0700 From: Joao Pedras To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Intel pccard (xe driver) not working! Message-ID: <35410000.995827413@mobinho.tafkap.priv> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.6 (FreeBSD/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello there Intel etherexpress 100 pcmcia (xe driver) is NOT working on -stable for 2 weeks. Did I miss something ? Tkx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 14:46:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5CC937B401 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:46:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from coffee@blarg.net) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86312BC84 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paco.blarg.net (trilluser@paco.fatburrito.com [206.124.139.210]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21265 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:46:21 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010722144735.032172d0@mail.blarg.net> X-Sender: coffee@mail.blarg.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:49:00 -0700 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org From: "Derek C." Subject: ata* Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doesn anyone know when the new ATA system will be MFC'd? I am facing a bug right now that nobody has found a workaround for, but is supposedly fixed in -current. Unfortunately, I don't feel confident enough in myself/that tree to upgrade to it. Derek To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 16:22: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0089237B401 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:21:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wmoran@iowna.com) Received: from iowna.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6MNIIO10310; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B5B6005.F6EE10C0@iowna.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:21:41 -0400 From: Bill Moran X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Derek C." Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ata* References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010722144735.032172d0@mail.blarg.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Derek C." wrote: > > Doesn anyone know when the new ATA system will be MFC'd? > > I am facing a bug right now that nobody has found a workaround for, but is > supposedly fixed in -current. Unfortunately, I don't feel confident enough > in myself/that tree to upgrade to it. Umm ... What bug, exactly, are you facing right now? I ask because I'm working on a ATA related PR I filed about a week ago and I'm wondering if this could be related. i386/29045 -Bill -- It may be that true happiness is nothing more than the ability to *always* know the right thing to say at the right time, whereas true misery is the state of perpetually saying to oneself, "What I *should* have said was..." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 16:26: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7762B37B405 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:25:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from coffee@blarg.net) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0A0BCA6; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paco.blarg.net (trilluser@paco.fatburrito.com [206.124.139.210]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29399; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:25:58 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010722162741.03b00ec8@mail.blarg.net> X-Sender: coffee@mail.blarg.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 16:28:45 -0700 To: Bill Moran From: "Derek C." Subject: Re: ata* Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3B5B6005.F6EE10C0@iowna.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010722144735.032172d0@mail.blarg.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doesn't look related... I submitted it just a little bit ago, since it's been on the lists many times, and searching the gnats archives turned up no fix, or even a report for it... kern/29152 Derek At 04:21 PM 7/22/2001, Bill Moran wrote: >"Derek C." wrote: > > > > Doesn anyone know when the new ATA system will be MFC'd? > > > > I am facing a bug right now that nobody has found a workaround for, but is > > supposedly fixed in -current. Unfortunately, I don't feel confident enough > > in myself/that tree to upgrade to it. > >Umm ... >What bug, exactly, are you facing right now? I ask because I'm working on a >ATA related PR I filed about a week ago and I'm wondering if this could >be related. > >i386/29045 > >-Bill > >-- >It may be that true happiness is nothing more than the ability to *always* >know the right thing to say at the right time, whereas true misery is the >state of perpetually saying to oneself, "What I *should* have said was..." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 17: 7: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C62C137B407 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:06:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from iedowse@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 23 Jul 2001 01:06:58 +0100 (BST) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: API change requiring filesystem module recompilation Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:06:58 +0100 From: Ian Dowse Message-ID: <200107230106.aa13050@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I would like to bring into -stable a small API change that will unfortunately require the recompilation of any filesystem modules. This change fixes some bugs relating to forcibly unmounting certain filesystems while there are extra references held on the filesystem root vnode. It has been in -current for 2 months. The kernel function vflush() is used by all filesystems at unmount time to flush out any active vnodes belonging to the filesystem being unmounted. It is also the function that decides if a filesystem is busy when you try to unmount it. The API for this function made it hard for filesystems that hold extra references on the filesystem root vnode; they had to repeat a lot of what vflush() does themselves, and as a result many got it wrong. The API modification allows vflush() to do all the work itself so that it is easy for filesystems to flush all their vnodes. This is a non-critical bugfix, but it will also simplify the porting of any new filesystems from -current to -stable. Are there any good reasons, such as 3rd party filesystem modules in use that would make recompilation of filesystem modules a problem? Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 17:20:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340BA37B401 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:20:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from mail2.uniserve.com ([204.244.156.10]) by mail2.uniserve.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 15OTSI-0001O4-00; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:20:14 -0700 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:20:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@athena.uniserve.ca To: Chris Elsworth Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipfw, pipes, and weighting In-Reply-To: <20010722160849.A67008@shagged.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Chris Elsworth wrote: ... > What doesn't work is the weighting itself. I saw absolutely no difference > whether I had those rules in or not. What kind of network interface are you using? The way that you seem to be configuring dummynet, is as custom priority queuing system. That is only effective, if there are packets in the queue to sort by your priorities. That will be most effective if you do that on the slowest interface in the path. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 17:25:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.shagged.org (rtfm.shagged.org [195.11.8.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A2037B403 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:25:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@shagged.org) Received: from chris by mail.shagged.org with local (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15OTWt-0000LG-00; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:24:59 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:24:59 +0100 From: Chris Elsworth To: Tom Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipfw, pipes, and weighting Message-ID: <20010723012459.A1197@shagged.org> Mail-Followup-To: Tom , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010722160849.A67008@shagged.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from tom@uniserve.com on Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 05:20:14PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 05:20:14PM -0700, Tom wrote: > > On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Chris Elsworth wrote: > > ... > > What doesn't work is the weighting itself. I saw absolutely no difference > > whether I had those rules in or not. > > What kind of network interface are you using? The way that you seem to > be configuring dummynet, is as custom priority queuing system. That is > only effective, if there are packets in the queue to sort by your > priorities. That will be most effective if you do that on the slowest > interface in the path. The machine in question is a gateway between a 100M LAN and a 1Mbit upstream line. Obviously I can't control stuff coming down the outside line, but I can control my outgoing bandwidth, so thats what I'm trying to do. The outside NIC is an fxp0, inside is rl0. I was assuming the way I did it, it would catch anything going between the two interfaces with the src/dst IP I specified? Is this the info you wanted or am I barking up the wrong tree? -- Chris Elsworth - Software & Systems Developer / Systems Administrator girls = time x money (and time is money) . chrise@demon.net = money^2 (money is root of all evil) . . tel: 020 8371 1041 = _/(evil^2) = evil t h u s mob: 07968 324 693 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 17:57:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.itga.com.au (ns.itga.com.au [202.53.40.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B8837B403 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 17:57:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by ns.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA90020; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:57:07 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by lightning.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05691; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:55:50 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200107230055.KAA05691@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 05/15/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 From: Gregory Bond To: Lamont Granquist Cc: "A. L. Meyers" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:27:01 -0700. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:55:49 +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > you should expect to > occasionally see problems. People will break the build. People will have > insufficiently tested their code and subsystems will break. And CVS itself is not atomic, so there is always the possibility of you grabbing a version half-way through a series of related and interdependent commits. There is no obvious way of fixing this that will still scale to the sort of load that the FreeBSD CVS system has to support. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 18: 1:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7131D37B403 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:01:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from coffee@blarg.net) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20659BCA6; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paco.blarg.net (trilluser@paco.fatburrito.com [206.124.139.210]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04890; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:01:07 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010722180312.03b06d30@mail.blarg.net> X-Sender: coffee@mail.blarg.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:03:49 -0700 To: Gregory Bond , Lamont Granquist From: "Derek C." Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? Cc: "A. L. Meyers" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200107230055.KAA05691@lightning.itga.com.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Fortunately, the latter will usually cause you to get either compiler or linker errors, but not always. Derek At 05:55 PM 7/22/2001, Gregory Bond wrote: > > you should expect to > > occasionally see problems. People will break the build. People will have > > insufficiently tested their code and subsystems will break. > >And CVS itself is not atomic, so there is always the possibility of you >grabbing a version half-way through a series of related and interdependent >commits. There is no obvious way of fixing this that will still scale to the >sort of load that the FreeBSD CVS system has to support. > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 18: 9:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0570F37B406 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:09:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from mail2.uniserve.com ([204.244.156.10]) by mail2.uniserve.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 15OUEE-00036s-00; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:09:46 -0700 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:09:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@athena.uniserve.ca To: Chris Elsworth Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipfw, pipes, and weighting In-Reply-To: <20010723012459.A1197@shagged.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Chris Elsworth wrote: > On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 05:20:14PM -0700, Tom wrote: > > > > On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Chris Elsworth wrote: > > > > ... > > > What doesn't work is the weighting itself. I saw absolutely no difference > > > whether I had those rules in or not. > > > > What kind of network interface are you using? The way that you seem to > > be configuring dummynet, is as custom priority queuing system. That is > > only effective, if there are packets in the queue to sort by your > > priorities. That will be most effective if you do that on the slowest > > interface in the path. > > The machine in question is a gateway between a 100M LAN and a 1Mbit > upstream line. Obviously I can't control stuff coming down the outside > line, but I can control my outgoing bandwidth, so thats what I'm trying to > do. The outside NIC is an fxp0, inside is rl0. I was assuming the way I > did it, it would catch anything going between the two interfaces with the > src/dst IP I specified? I'm assuming you have some kind of router or bridge connecting the outside ethernet to the 1Mbps line. You should probably rate shape your outbound bandwidth to 1Mbps, to allow your priorities to be effective. Otherwise most of the queuing will occur on the router/bridge, or in the WAN network itself. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 18:41:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from c000.snv.cp.net (c000-h019.c000.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7148A37B406 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:41:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from neal@nelsonnet.org) Received: (cpmta 1928 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2001 18:41:15 -0700 Date: 22 Jul 2001 18:41:15 -0700 Message-ID: <20010723014115.1927.cpmta@c000.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 23 Jul 2001 01:41:15 GMT Received: from [203.23.27.1] by mail.nelsonnet.org with HTTP; 22 Jul 2001 18:41:15 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: neal@nelsonnet.org X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: neal@nelsonnet.org Subject: PPP Can't Connect (Solution) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've finally found a way of getting dial out ppp to connect since my last CVSup of -stable a couple of weeks ago. I found that the problem was in the sample ppp.conf file, which I had based my ppp.conf file closely on. I had to change the line: set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 to: set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 00.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 I don't know if it was the change in the netmask or the remote address that did the job but everything seems to work now as it did before. I hope this will help anyone who had the same problem To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 19:39:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zaapth.twnet.org (mcns152.docsis147.singa.pore.net [202.156.147.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0836337B403 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:39:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from twchan@singnet.com.sg) Received: from localhost (twchan@localhost) by zaapth.twnet.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6N2XBI13382; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:33:11 +0800 (SGT) (envelope-from twchan@singnet.com.sg) X-Authentication-Warning: zaapth.twnet.org: twchan owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:33:11 +0800 (SGT) From: Chan Tur Wei X-X-Sender: To: Ron Klinkien Cc: Subject: Re: Wanted: Working make_device_driver.sh for STABLE In-Reply-To: <000701c112ca$e9a9d600$0404a8c0@smalweer.nl> Message-ID: <20010723103204.A13321-100000@zaapth.twnet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've had good success with the one from -current. Regards -T.W.Chan- On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Ron Klinkien wrote: > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:25:25 +0200 > From: Ron Klinkien > To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Wanted: Working make_device_driver.sh for STABLE > > Hi, > > I an attempt to port an old 8255 ISA iocard driver to the new > driver skeleton of FreeBSD-STABLE I got stuck > on the first command I typed. > > # cd /usr/share/examples/drivers > # sh ./make_device_driver.sh iocard > config: line 246: syntax error > make: don't know how to make depend. Stop > make: don't know how to make iocard.o. Stop > make: no target to make. > > I was hoping for a more succesfull start to this rather > difficult task. ;0) > > Anyone can point me to a working driver skeleton create > script? > > Regards, > Ron. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 22:49: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gaston.franquin (ARouen-101-1-1-116.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.28.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C770037B403 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:48:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from francois@rogler.org) Received: from devil (devil.franquin [192.168.2.10]) by gaston.franquin (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f6N0h7S38632; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:43:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from francois@rogler.org) Message-ID: <003701c11307$2d6b7380$0a02a8c0@franquin> From: "Francois Rogler" To: , References: Subject: Re: USB Modem Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:36:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="KOI8-R" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Can anybody tell what USB modems are supported in CURRENT?? > I would also appreciate any URL, containing FULL list of supported hardware. > Thanks in advance. There is a driver for the Alcatel Speedtouch USB (adsl modem). But it's not in the CURRENT or STABLE tree as it's a user space driver. You can find it there : http://www.xsproject.org/speedtouch -- Francois Rogler To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 23: 9:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from Mail6.nc.rr.com (fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1F137B406 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:09:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aa8vb@nc.rr.com) Received: from stealth.cary.dummynet ([66.26.228.229]) by Mail6.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:15:32 -0400 Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.cary.dummynet (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6MIEtI10151 for stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:14:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from aa8vb@nc.rr.com) X-Authentication-Warning: stealth.cary.dummynet: rhh set sender to aa8vb@nc.rr.com using -f Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:14:55 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: How to list extended partitions Message-ID: <20010722141454.A10057@nc.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does -stable have a command that'll walk the extended partition tree and print at least the type-ID for each? When mounting extended partitions for other OSs (EXT2FS, FAT, FAT32, etc.), you need to figure out which devices to mount as what type of filesystem (ad1s7 is FAT32, ad0s5 is EXT2FS, etc.). Is there a way to determine this in -stable? Thanks, Randall -- Randall Hopper aa8vb@nc.rr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 23:40:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.du.gtn.com (mail.du.gtn.com [194.77.9.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127CD37B401 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:40:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail.du.gtn.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) id f6N6ePO20274 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:40:25 +0200 (MET DST) >Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f6N6YC135941 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:34:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:34:12 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: make release build problems: no space on boot floppy Message-ID: <20010723083411.A35921@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just for info: linking BOOTMFS text data bss dec hex filename 2495383 204104 132440 2831927 2b3637 BOOTMFS install -c -m 555 -o root -g wheel -fschg BOOTMFS /R/stage/kernels/BOOTMFS mv /R/stage/kernels/BOOTMFS /R/stage/image.kern/kernel Setting up /boot directory for kern floppy /R/stage/image.kern/kernel: 53.3% -- replaced with /R/stage/image.kern= /kernel.gz sh -e /usr/src/release/scripts/doFS.sh /R/stage/floppies/kern.flp /R/stage= /mnt 1440 /R/stage/image.kern 80000 fd1440 disklabel: ioctl DIOCWLABEL: Operation not supported by device Warning: Block size restricts cylinders per group to 6. Warning: 1216 sector(s) in last cylinder unallocated /dev/rvnn0c: 2880 sectors in 1 cylinders of 1 tracks, 4096 sectors 1.4MB in 1 cyl groups (6 c/g, 12.00MB/g, 32 i/g) super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at: 32 cpio: write error: No space left on device *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release. Best regards Andreas /// --=20 Andreas Klemm - Powered by FreeBSD Need a magic printfilter today ? -> http://www.apsfilter.org/ Songs from our band >> 64Bits << http://hometown.aol.com/II64BitsII --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Weitere Infos: siehe http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7W8Vjd3o+lGxvbLoRAmaSAJoCr/0sPGFRp2om74/E9xDDPZ2YGgCfcVuj n+/gg28tpjy705k3bQDz5d8= =+5b9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 23:41:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fepF.post.tele.dk (fepF.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E32F37B407 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:41:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mekanix@privat.dk) Received: from mekanix.my.domain ([62.243.77.192]) by fepF.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.21 201-229-121-121-20010307) with SMTP id <20010723064111.NXZG20557.fepF.post.tele.dk@mekanix.my.domain>; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:41:11 +0200 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:42:29 +0200 From: Bjarne Wichmann Petersen To: Gabriel Rocha Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Watching DVD's in -stable Message-Id: <20010723084229.418af483.mekanix@privat.dk> In-Reply-To: <20010717152917.A5466@geeksimplex.org> References: <20010717152917.A5466@geeksimplex.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.64 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:29:17 -0400 Gabriel Rocha wrote: > Hey, > I am just curious if I missed something totally obvious, if I > have, please hit me over the head with a clue-by-four and I will > go away quickly. But is there anything akin to oms and the > video4linux project for freebsd? I want to ditch my windows > partition on my laptop, but it would be such a waste of a > perfectly nice dvd drive...Thanks in advance. --gabe I'm using vlc (videolan), but it doesn't compile out of the box especially if you've installed gnome/gtk via ports. Ports installs in .../gtk12 .../glib12 etc. while vlc looks in .../gtk and .../glib etc. This is the "howto" I got on the vlc-list: I'm still working on getting all the parts lined up to make it compile. Thus far: In plugins/sdl/vout_sdl.c I've changed the SDL include to: #include In Makefile.opts, I've changed CFLAGS_GTK = to: CFLAGS_GTK = -I/usr/X11R6/include/gtk12 -I/usr/local/include/glib12 I'm still getting syntax errors in /usr/include/netinet/in.h when compiling plugins/vout_sdl.c. So, I've removed sdl from the build. Everything else has compiled and I am now playing with the gnome-vlc interface trying to get it to play a DVD. I haven't succeeded on sdl. But it works with gnome/gtk, though quite unstable. And the sound is quite crappy, don't know why. Xine on the other hand works great, less overhead (50-75% of that of vlc), though I've yet to find at css-plugin that works with BSD... Bjarne To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 23:48:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net (100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net [24.234.0.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4379B37B401 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:48:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from slumos@nevada.edu) Received: from nevada.edu (cm246.19.234.24.lvcm.com [24.234.19.246]) by 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AIV82906; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:34:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107230634.AIV82906@100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-Reply-To: Message from Jordan Hubbard of "Sat, 21 Jul 2001 13:55:10 PDT." <20010721135510Y.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:33:11 -0700 From: Steve Lumos Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan Hubbard : >Very well said. This should be added to the handbook. :) In fact, let's look at some key words from that chapter: -CURRENT: "bleeding edge", "working sources", "un-compilable", "active testers" -STABLE: "low key", "conservative", "commercial user", "fully compilable and stable" There's also language in the -STABLE section that implies that bugs are treated as emergency situations. Do you *really* wonder why it's "so difficult for people to understand"? It is very easy for a reasonable person to read (or more likely skim [tell me you don't do it]) the description of -STABLE in the handbook and conclude that it means what it sounds like, and then feel bamboozled when they get here. Steve >From: Lamont Granquist >Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:27:01 -0700 (PDT) > >> >> On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, A. L. Meyers wrote: >> > Having followed the postings here for a few weeks it seems, at >> > least occasionally, that "stable" appears to be a bit less than >> > "stable". >> >> You are doing a CVS checkout of a source tree that is getting updates >> on a daily basis. If you have ever done this in a development environment >> before, you should know that absolute 100% stability in any such an >> environment is never, ever going to happen. >> >> If you want the latest -stable sources which *are* stable, then you >> really need to checkout sources on a fresh machine, build your >> distribution and spend a few days regression testing the features of the >> OS which are important to you. You should then roll out the build to >> your staging platform and give it at least a week or two. Following that >> you should put it in the load balancing rotation on your production site, >> and then gradually phase it in as you gain more confidence. >> >> Which, of course, you should be doing anyway. >> >> If you want better stability, then checkout the actual 4.x releases with >> the security fixes. Those have actually been frozen and then bugfixed for >> stability. They should be better. >> >> Why is this so difficult for people to understand? *ANY* time you are >> checking out the head of a development branch (even one where developers >> are supposedly being "more careful") then you should expect to >> occasionally see problems. People will break the build. People will have >> insufficiently tested their code and subsystems will break. I guarantee >> you that none of the FBSD developers have a sufficient testing matrix to >> *ensure* that the changes which are checked into the top of the tree will >> run on every platform out there (consider for a moment just how big the >> x86 testing matrix is). I'm pretty damned impressed that -stable works as >> well as it does (kudos for the developers). >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jul 22 23:58:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from snafu.adept.org (snafu.adept.org [63.201.63.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ABBE37B401 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:58:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@adept.org) Received: by snafu.adept.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0F0A49EE06; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snafu.adept.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0775D9B00C; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:58:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hoskins To: Steve Lumos Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-Reply-To: <200107230634.AIV82906@100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Steve Lumos wrote: > It is very easy for a reasonable person to read (or more likely skim > [tell me you don't do it]) the description of -STABLE in the handbook > and conclude that it means what it sounds like, and then feel > bamboozled when they get here. I've been known to skim a doc or two, but something this critical isn't the place to skim. If the individual in question wishes to deploy a highly stable environment, one would think that individual would take great care - including following the suggestions made earlier by others (regression testing, staging, etc.). If you're not willing to actually read docs, regression test, stage, and do 'work' in general... Well, one could argue you get the amount of stability you deserve. Later, -Mike -- Log analysis mailing list: http://www.adept.org/mailinglists.html#logwatchers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 0:43:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nomad.com (dialup-56-169.dplanet.ch [212.35.56.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F6CF37B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:43:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nomad.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6N7qpb00453; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:52:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:52:49 +0200 (CEST) From: "A. L. Meyers" To: Steve Lumos Cc: Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-Reply-To: <200107230634.AIV82906@100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net> Message-ID: <20010723093818.C434-100000@nomad.consult-meyers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Steve Lumos wrote: > Jordan Hubbard : > >Very well said. This should be added to the handbook. :) > > In fact, let's look at some key words from that chapter: > > -CURRENT: "bleeding edge", "working sources", "un-compilable", > "active testers" > > -STABLE: "low key", "conservative", "commercial user", > "fully compilable and stable" > > There's also language in the -STABLE section that implies that bugs > are treated as emergency situations. Do you *really* wonder why it's > "so difficult for people to understand"? > > It is very easy for a reasonable person to read (or more likely skim > [tell me you don't do it]) the description of -STABLE in the handbook > and conclude that it means what it sounds like, and then feel > bamboozled when they get here. > > Steve Well, Steve, at least someone understood my posting as I meant it. Thanks! A comparison: Debian GNU/Linux has 3 trees: 1. stable 2. testing 3. unstable "stable" there means exactly what it says. Although breaks are not non-existent, they are extremely rare (never experienced one personally, changes were security fixes). The FreeBSD "stable" appears more comparable a mix of "stable" and "testing". Debian GNU/Linux only release a major "stable" update once yearly, a shorter interval being considered bug churning. It seems to me that it would be in the very best interest of FreeBSD to apply whatever quality controls are appropriate to ensure that "stable" means what it says. Do you seriously expect all users to go thru the testing procedures enumerated below? Most probably expect such things to be done by developers before new and/or improved code is incorporated into "stable". BTW: this is NOT an appeal to FreeBSD users to migrate to Debian GNU/Linux. There are no one-sided coins. e.g.: there are no souce trees (yet) in GNU/Linux with the functionality and transparency of sup. Greetings, Lucien > > >From: Lamont Granquist > >Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? > >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 11:27:01 -0700 (PDT) > > > >> > >> On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, A. L. Meyers wrote: > >> > Having followed the postings here for a few weeks it seems, at > >> > least occasionally, that "stable" appears to be a bit less than > >> > "stable". > >> > >> You are doing a CVS checkout of a source tree that is getting updates > >> on a daily basis. If you have ever done this in a development environment > >> before, you should know that absolute 100% stability in any such an > >> environment is never, ever going to happen. > >> > >> If you want the latest -stable sources which *are* stable, then you > >> really need to checkout sources on a fresh machine, build your > >> distribution and spend a few days regression testing the features of the > >> OS which are important to you. You should then roll out the build to > >> your staging platform and give it at least a week or two. Following that > >> you should put it in the load balancing rotation on your production site, > >> and then gradually phase it in as you gain more confidence. > >> > >> Which, of course, you should be doing anyway. > >> > >> If you want better stability, then checkout the actual 4.x releases with > >> the security fixes. Those have actually been frozen and then bugfixed for > >> stability. They should be better. > >> > >> Why is this so difficult for people to understand? *ANY* time you are > >> checking out the head of a development branch (even one where developers > >> are supposedly being "more careful") then you should expect to > >> occasionally see problems. People will break the build. People will have > >> insufficiently tested their code and subsystems will break. I guarantee > >> you that none of the FBSD developers have a sufficient testing matrix to > >> *ensure* that the changes which are checked into the top of the tree will > >> run on every platform out there (consider for a moment just how big the > >> x86 testing matrix is). I'm pretty damned impressed that -stable works as > >> well as it does (kudos for the developers). > >> > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- This message is only for the addressee(s). If you receive it by error, please delete it and inform the sender. We encourage the use of pgp-encrypted e-mail. Welcome to: http://www.consult-meyers.com "Say what you think. Do what you say." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 1:21:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from not.yet.registered (pc1-stme2-0-cust102.cdf.cable.ntl.com [62.252.56.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1572537B401; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:21:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk) Received: from lfarr (psyduck.bka.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.10.201]) by not.yet.registered (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6N8Lbg02238; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:21:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: "'Andreas Klemm'" , Subject: RE: make release build problems: no space on boot floppy Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:21:23 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c11350$761e1940$c90aa8c0@lfarr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 In-reply-to: <20010723083411.A35921@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I started getting this last week on my i386. A few days later, someone reported the same on the alpha mailing list. Removing -march options fixed it for me for a few days, but it's now back. Looks like GENERIC is too big! -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Andreas Klemm Sent: 23 July 2001 07:34 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: make release build problems: no space on boot floppy Just for info: linking BOOTMFS text data bss dec hex filename 2495383 204104 132440 2831927 2b3637 BOOTMFS install -c -m 555 -o root -g wheel -fschg BOOTMFS /R/stage/kernels/BOOTMFS mv /R/stage/kernels/BOOTMFS /R/stage/image.kern/kernel Setting up /boot directory for kern floppy /R/stage/image.kern/kernel: 53.3% -- replaced with /R/stage/image.kern/kernel.gz sh -e /usr/src/release/scripts/doFS.sh /R/stage/floppies/kern.flp /R/stage /mnt 1440 /R/stage/image.kern 80000 fd1440 disklabel: ioctl DIOCWLABEL: Operation not supported by device Warning: Block size restricts cylinders per group to 6. Warning: 1216 sector(s) in last cylinder unallocated /dev/rvnn0c: 2880 sectors in 1 cylinders of 1 tracks, 4096 sectors 1.4MB in 1 cyl groups (6 c/g, 12.00MB/g, 32 i/g) super-block backups (for fsck -b #) at: 32 cpio: write error: No space left on device *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/release. Best regards Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm - Powered by FreeBSD Need a magic printfilter today ? -> http://www.apsfilter.org/ Songs from our band >> 64Bits << http://hometown.aol.com/II64BitsII To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 1:38:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org (melchior.enst.fr [137.194.161.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E25537B403 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:38:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thomas@cuivre.fr.eu.org) Received: from melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org (melusine.enst.fr [137.194.160.34]) by melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6349274CF; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:38:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4E6E024D08; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:38:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:38:17 +0200 From: Thomas Quinot To: Randall Hopper Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to list extended partitions Message-ID: <20010723103817.A34915@melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org> Reply-To: thomas@cuivre.fr.eu.org References: <20010722141454.A10057@nc.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010722141454.A10057@nc.rr.com>; from aa8vb@nc.rr.com on Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 02:14:55PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Le 2001-07-22, Randall Hopper écrivait : > Is there a way to determine this in -stable? You can use the Linux fdisk with Linux emulation. Ugly, but it works. Thomas. -- Thomas.Quinot@Cuivre.FR.EU.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 1:47:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gromit.it.su.se (gromit.it.su.se [130.237.95.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A135737B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 01:47:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rnyberg@gromit.it.su.se) Received: (from rnyberg@localhost) by gromit.it.su.se (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6N8kwI43585; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:46:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rnyberg) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:46:58 +0200 From: Richard Nyberg To: Randall Hopper Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to list extended partitions Message-ID: <20010723104658.B43405@gromit.it.su.se> References: <20010722141454.A10057@nc.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010722141454.A10057@nc.rr.com>; from aa8vb@nc.rr.com on Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 02:14:55PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm almost certain you can run 'fdisk slice', where "slice" is the slice containing the extended partitions. Eg. like this: # fdisk ad0s4 /Richard On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 02:14:55PM -0400, Randall Hopper wrote: > Does -stable have a command that'll walk the extended partition tree > and print at least the type-ID for each? > > When mounting extended partitions for other OSs (EXT2FS, FAT, FAT32, > etc.), you need to figure out which devices to mount as what type of > filesystem (ad1s7 is FAT32, ad0s5 is EXT2FS, etc.). > > Is there a way to determine this in -stable? > > Thanks, > > Randall > > -- > Randall Hopper > aa8vb@nc.rr.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 2: 1:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from enigma.whacky.net (enigma.whacky.net [194.109.204.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C68137B405 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:01:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephanb@whacky.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by enigma.whacky.net (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f6N91Ni53833; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:01:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stephanb) Received: (from stephanb@localhost) by enigma.whacky.net (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f6N91JE53825; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:01:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from stephanb) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:01:18 +0200 From: Stephan van Beerschoten To: abram olson Cc: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mass uninstall all ports? Message-ID: <20010723110118.A53761@enigma.whacky.net> References: <21840000.994976137@vpn73.ece.cmu.edu> <20010712221801.16260.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010712221801.16260.qmail@web13505.mail.yahoo.com>; from dacia_icarus@yahoo.com on Thu, Jul 12, 2001 at 03:18:01PM -0700 X-Virus-Scanned: by enigma.whacky.net Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Since you're going to remove all the packages, I would suggest to use pkg_delete -f to force the de-install. Who cares about dependencies when you're going to remove everything anyway ? :) On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, abram olson wrote: > Awesome! Thank you Brandon. > > > Abe > --- "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" > wrote: > > On Thursday, July 12, 2001 15:05:12 -0700, abram > > olson > > wrote: > > +----- > > | If it doesn't, is there a way to remove every > > package > > | that isn't part of the base system at one go? I'm > > +--->8 > > > > pkg_info | cut -d\ -f1 | xargs pkg_delete > > > > :) > > > > -- > > brandon s. allbery [os/2][linux][solaris][freebsd] > > allbery@kf8nh.apk.net > > system administrator [JAPH][WAY too many hats] > > allbery@ece.cmu.edu > > electrical and computer engineering > > KF8NH > > carnegie mellon university [linux: proof of the > > million monkeys theory] > > > > > ===== > Jesus saves. > Allah forgives, > Cthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. > ------------------------------------------ > See my digital art at: > > http://www.foramenmagnum.net/images.html > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Stephan van Beerschoten [SVB21-RIPE] stephanb@whacky.net PGP fingerprint: 4557 9761 B212 FB4C 778D 3529 C42A 2D27 "To err is human, to forgive is Not Company Policy" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 3:46:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from viking.sophos.com (viking.sophos.com [194.203.134.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ED7EF37B403 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 03:46:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maria.huff@sophos.com) Received: from mercury.uk.sophos (mercury.uk.sophos [10.1.200.13]) by viking.sophos.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3269D1D10A for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:44:14 +0100 (BST) Subject: To: stable@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.6a January 17, 2001 Message-ID: From: maria.huff@sophos.com Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:46:30 +0100 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Mercury/Servers/Sophos(Release 5.07a |May 14, 2001) at 23/07/2001 11:46:30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 5: 6:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from landhaus.consult-meyers.com (dialup-57-139.dplanet.ch [212.35.57.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B6C37B406 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 05:06:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.consult-meyers.com [127.0.0.1]) by landhaus.consult-meyers.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6NC5u112984; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:05:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:05:55 +0200 (CEST) From: "A. L. Meyers" To: Max Khon Cc: Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010723140335.S99402-100000@localhost.consult-meyers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Max Khon wrote: > hi, there! > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, A. L. Meyers wrote: > > > Well, Steve, at least someone understood my posting as I meant > > it. Thanks! > > > > A comparison: > > Debian GNU/Linux has 3 trees: 1. stable 2. testing 3. unstable > > > > "stable" there means exactly what it says. Although breaks are > > not non-existent, they are extremely rare (never experienced one > > personally, changes were security fixes). > > that's what for RELENG_4_3 branch was created > (4.3-RELEASE + security fixes). When FreeBSD 4.4 will be out RELENG_4_4 > branch will also be created for security fixes > > /fjoe > > Max, do you suggest that if someone wants "stable-stable" not just "stable" he should cvsup RELENG_4_3 instead of RELENG_4? Lucien To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 5:36:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.shagged.org (rtfm.shagged.org [195.11.8.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF69A37B403 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 05:36:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@shagged.org) Received: from chris by mail.shagged.org with local (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15Oex5-000CXP-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:36:47 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:36:47 +0100 From: Chris Elsworth To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipfw, pipes, and weighting Message-ID: <20010723133647.A48130@shagged.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010723012459.A1197@shagged.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from tom@uniserve.com on Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 06:09:46PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 06:09:46PM -0700, Tom wrote: > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Chris Elsworth wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 05:20:14PM -0700, Tom wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Chris Elsworth wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > What doesn't work is the weighting itself. I saw absolutely no difference > > > > whether I had those rules in or not. > > > > > > What kind of network interface are you using? The way that you seem to > > > be configuring dummynet, is as custom priority queuing system. That is > > > only effective, if there are packets in the queue to sort by your > > > priorities. That will be most effective if you do that on the slowest > > > interface in the path. > > > > The machine in question is a gateway between a 100M LAN and a 1Mbit > > upstream line. Obviously I can't control stuff coming down the outside > > line, but I can control my outgoing bandwidth, so thats what I'm trying to > > do. The outside NIC is an fxp0, inside is rl0. I was assuming the way I > > did it, it would catch anything going between the two interfaces with the > > src/dst IP I specified? > > I'm assuming you have some kind of router or bridge connecting the > outside ethernet to the 1Mbps line. You should probably rate shape your > outbound bandwidth to 1Mbps, to allow your priorities to be effective. > Otherwise most of the queuing will occur on the router/bridge, or in the > WAN network itself. Ok, so using the rules I had before will work if I put a "bw 1Mbit/s" on the pipe config line? I'll try it tonight :) Cheers :) -- Chris Elsworth - Software & Systems Developer / Systems Administrator girls = time x money (and time is money) . chrise@demon.net = money^2 (money is root of all evil) . . tel: 020 8371 1041 = _/(evil^2) = evil t h u s mob: 07968 324 693 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 7: 4:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org (mb-20-100.mitre.org [129.83.20.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0EAE37B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:04:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jandrese@mitre.org) Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6NE1kD09122; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAILHUB2 (mailhub2.mitre.org [129.83.221.18]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6NE1gX20592; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dhcp-105-164.mitre.org (128.29.105.164) by mailhub2.mitre.org with SMTP id 7238269; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:01:37 -0400 Message-ID: <3B5C2E44.2B7D7DF8@mitre.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:01:40 -0400 From: Jason Andresen Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-20000818M (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Hoskins Cc: Tom , "Chad R. Larson" , admin@kremilek.gyrec.cz, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: probably remote exploit References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Hoskins wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Tom wrote: > > > But if a backdoor is installed, you can't trust cvsup, or make either. > > Any binary could have been tampered with. For instance, I would make a > > backdoor make that would detect that an installworld is underway, and > > always make sure that a backdoored copy of of "login" and another copy of > > "make". > > What? Everyone can't just do a quick check against the saved tripwire > checksums on CD-R? ;) Seriously. While checksuming an entire system can > be impractical, keeping checksums for a barebones set of administrative > tools can be a lifesaver. You need to boot off of the CDROM first, otherwise you might have an evil kernel module loaded that can send bogus data to your checksummer when it reads from the disk. It's not quite as easy as just mounting the CD and running the checksums. -- \ |_ _|__ __|_ \ __| Jason Andresen jandrese@mitre.org |\/ | | | / _| Network and Distributed Systems Engineer _| _|___| _| _|_\___| Office: 703-883-7755 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 7:20: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from raven.ravenbrook.com (raven.ravenbrook.com [193.82.131.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC1237B405 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:20:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nb@ravenbrook.com) Received: from thrush.ravenbrook.com (thrush.ravenbrook.com [193.112.141.249]) by raven.ravenbrook.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20287; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:19:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from thrush.ravenbrook.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thrush.ravenbrook.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6NEKBl17704; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:20:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nb@thrush.ravenbrook.com) From: Nick Barnes To: Jason Andresen Cc: Mike Hoskins , Tom , "Chad R. Larson" , admin@kremilek.gyrec.cz, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: probably remote exploit In-Reply-To: Message from Jason Andresen of "Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:01:40 EDT." <3B5C2E44.2B7D7DF8@mitre.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:20:11 +0100 Message-ID: <17702.995898011@thrush.ravenbrook.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG And you need to be sure that you really _are_ booting off the CD, not booting a hacked kernel from the hard disk which detects that you have a bootable CD in the drive and assumes that you're trying to boot off CD to clean up your system, so _pretends_ to be booting off the CD except when you come to run the checksum utility on the CD. Etc etc. And, of course, if it's a CD-RW, this evil kernel module could just virally infect it.... :-) Note that one might often want to config a machine so it won't boot from removable media (so that random idiots with access to the front panel can't boot some other OS from CD or floppy), so this scenario isn't _totally_ nuts (only, say, 99.98% nuts). A hassled sysadmin might well put in a CD and reboot without watching too closely, forgetting that the BIOS config will cause the CD to be disregarded. Nick Barnes At 2001-07-23 14:01:40+0000, Jason Andresen writes: > Mike Hoskins wrote: > > > > On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, Tom wrote: > > > > > But if a backdoor is installed, you can't trust cvsup, or make either. > > > Any binary could have been tampered with. For instance, I would make a > > > backdoor make that would detect that an installworld is underway, and > > > always make sure that a backdoored copy of of "login" and another copy of > > > "make". > > > > What? Everyone can't just do a quick check against the saved tripwire > > checksums on CD-R? ;) Seriously. While checksuming an entire system can > > be impractical, keeping checksums for a barebones set of administrative > > tools can be a lifesaver. > > You need to boot off of the CDROM first, otherwise you might have an > evil > kernel module loaded that can send bogus data to your checksummer when > it > reads from the disk. It's not quite as easy as just mounting the CD and > running the checksums. > > -- > \ |_ _|__ __|_ \ __| Jason Andresen jandrese@mitre.org > |\/ | | | / _| Network and Distributed Systems Engineer > _| _|___| _| _|_\___| Office: 703-883-7755 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 8:34:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from snafu.adept.org (snafu.adept.org [63.201.63.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4069C37B407 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:34:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@adept.org) Received: by snafu.adept.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 436059EE06; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snafu.adept.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8B49B00C; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:34:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hoskins To: "A. L. Meyers" Cc: Max Khon , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-Reply-To: <20010723140335.S99402-100000@localhost.consult-meyers.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, A. L. Meyers wrote: > do you suggest that if someone wants "stable-stable" not just > "stable" he should cvsup RELENG_4_3 instead of RELENG_4? I suggest you spend half the time reading documentation and trying to actually understand the FreeBSD build hierarchy you do posting messages here about what 'stable' is and/or what -STABLE should be called. (No offense, but this thread is a dead horse. If you'd take a few seconds to search past list archives, you'd already know that.) Later, -Mike -- Log analysis mailing list: http://www.adept.org/mailinglists.html#logwatchers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 9:30:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net (100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net [24.234.0.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC77137B403 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:30:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from slumos@nevada.edu) Received: from nevada.edu (cm246.19.234.24.lvcm.com [24.234.19.246]) by 100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AHQ09490; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107231630.AHQ09490@100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-Reply-To: Message from Mike Hoskins of "Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:58:17 PDT." Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:29:14 -0700 From: Steve Lumos Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Hoskins : >On Sun, 22 Jul 2001, Steve Lumos wrote: > >> It is very easy for a reasonable person to read (or more likely skim >> [tell me you don't do it]) the description of -STABLE in the handbook >> and conclude that it means what it sounds like, and then feel >> bamboozled when they get here. > >I've been known to skim a doc or two, but something this critical isn't >the place to skim. If the individual in question wishes to deploy a >highly stable environment, one would think that individual would take >great care - including following the suggestions made earlier by others >(regression testing, staging, etc.). > >If you're not willing to actually read docs, regression test, stage, and >do 'work' in general... Well, one could argue you get the amount of >stability you deserve. > >Later, >-Mike OK, but I don't really think that's a reason not to make the documentation clear. There are plenty of people who aren't mission critical, but just interested who end up losing when they don't have to. If you guys want to take it upon yourself to teach them a lesson, I suppose that's fine, but I was assuming that wasn't the case. Of course I butted in because I read the documentation and didn't get out of it any indication that -STABLE wasn't where I wanted to be. Certainly, the phrases: "the stable branch is effectively a bug-fix stream relative to the previous release", and "[-RELEASE is] really just a ``snapshot'' from the -STABLE branch that we put on CDROM," sure sound like where I want to be. I claim that there is a certain amount of stability being advertised there. If -STABLE was ALWAYS meant to be what you guys say, then I don't think whoever wrote that section of the handbook knew it. I notice that the changes have already appeared in the handbook at freebsd.org. Although it is much better, it keeps a lot of the same language and just adds qualification. For example, why do you want: "Any changes to this branch will have debuted in FreeBSD-CURRENT first, helping to reduce (but not eliminate) the chance that the changes will cause problems," instead of "Changes to this branch have not been widely tested and should not be depended on to work." You should also change the text in -CURRENT. The phrase "if you are new to FreeBSD, you are most likely going to want to think twice about running it" should be moved from -CURRENT to -STABLE but even stronger, like "unless you *really know what you are doing*, think twice before tracking -STABLE". Then replace that paragraph in -CURRENT with something like: "As you are reading this, keep in mind that FreeBSD-CURRENT is the ``bleeding edge'' of FreeBSD development and is not intended for users". And while you're making changes, statements like: "The current ports tree officially supports only FreeBSD-current and FreeBSD-stable." on http://freebsd.org/ports/ certainly don't help. That page even goes out of its way to push -STABLE: "Note that it will only change just enough files to enable ports/packages to be used; for a full upgrade to -STABLE, please refer to the synchronizing your source tree section of the handbook." Access to bugfixed ports is the main reason why I ever considered tracking -STABLE. I'm not whining about -STABLE, but then again I didn't lose. However, I think the current attitude toward people who end up losing after basically being led to -STABLE by the documentation is bad. It might be a good idea to add "NOTE: Since this documentation may be out of date with respect to -STABLE, you should never consider tracking it until you have read freebsd-stable for a couple of weeks." Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 9:36:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from iclub.nsu.ru (iclub.nsu.ru [193.124.222.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E630B37B403 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Received: from localhost (fjoe@localhost) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6NGa8X73105; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:36:12 +0700 (NSS) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:36:08 +0700 (NSS) From: Max Khon To: Steve Lumos Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-Reply-To: <200107231630.AHQ09490@100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, there! On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Steve Lumos wrote: > I'm not whining about -STABLE, but then again I didn't lose. However, > I think the current attitude toward people who end up losing after > basically being led to -STABLE by the documentation is bad. It might > be a good idea to add "NOTE: Since this documentation may be out of > date with respect to -STABLE, you should never consider tracking it > until you have read freebsd-stable for a couple of weeks." this happened because RELENG_4_3 is quite new idea (it is actually the first -RELEASE branch) and seems that handbook is really out of sync with real world /fjoe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 9:51:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alcatraz.triton.net (alcatraz.triton.net [209.172.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F18337B407 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:51:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jaker@alcatraz.triton.net) Received: (qmail 57720 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2001 16:51:10 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by 0 with SMTP; 23 Jul 2001 16:51:10 -0000 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:51:10 -0400 From: Jake Roersma To: Patrik Sundberg Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, sos@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with burncd Message-ID: <20010723125110.C56999@alcatraz.triton.net> References: <20010721193617.A847@radiac.mine.nu> <20010721195807.A587@radiac.mine.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20010721195807.A587@radiac.mine.nu>; from ps@radiac.mine.nu on Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 13:58:07 -0400 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.1.4 Lines: 55 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001.07.21 13:58 Patrik Sundberg wrote: > On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 07:36:17PM +0200, Patrik Sundberg wrote: > > hi, > > > > i have the following problem with burncd running: > > FreeBSD radiac.mine.nu 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #10: Sat Jul 21 > 00:20:25 > > CEST 2001 root@radiac.mine.nu:/usr/src/sys/compile/RADIAC i386 > > > > # burncd -f /dev/acd0c -s 12 -t audio featherweight.wav fixate > > next writeable LBA 0 > > writing from file featherweight.wav size 62876 KB > > written this track 62879 KB (100%) total 62879 KB > > fixating CD, please wait.. > > burncd: ioctl(CDRIOCCLOSEDISK): Input/output error > > > > the drive used is: > > acd0: CD-RW at ata1-slave using PIO4 > > > > is the drive unsupported? is anyone working on a fix? seems the CRX140E > is > > working (looking through mailingarchieves). > > found out that it works great if not in testmode (without -t). no > problems. > a better errormessage from burncd would be helpful if this is intended > behaviour (i don't know much about cd writers). > > -- > -----------------------------------------------------------. > Patrik Sundberg email: ps@raditex.se || ps@radiac.mine.nu | > Phone: +46 13 178567 || +46 707 602240 | > .---> UNIX consultant | > |-----> Applied Physics and Electrical Engineering student | > `----------------------------------------------------------' > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > If you read further back in the mailing list two weeks ago this same issue wasw addressed.. The problem is known and is fixed in current.. The message is below form Seren Schmidt.. As far as when the MFC will be completed I don't know.. >Its a known issue, and it is fixed in -current. I'll MFC the changes >when I get some spare time, but things are messy around here right now, >and I have to use my time on payjobs... > >-Søren -- Jake Roersma Network Engineer Triton Technologies Inc. (800)-837-4253/364-8761 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 9:59:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from warez.scriptkiddie.org (uswest-dsl-142-38.cortland.com [209.162.142.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61FF37B403 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:59:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lamont@scriptkiddie.org) Received: from [192.168.69.11] (unknown [192.168.69.11]) by warez.scriptkiddie.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E31D62D01; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:59:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Lamont Granquist To: "A. L. Meyers" Cc: Steve Lumos , Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-Reply-To: <20010723093818.C434-100000@nomad.consult-meyers.com> Message-ID: <20010723095250.B66779-100000@coredump.scriptkiddie.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, A. L. Meyers wrote: > It seems to me that it would be in the very best interest of > FreeBSD to apply whatever quality controls are appropriate to > ensure that "stable" means what it says. You're checking out the head of a development tree. It will never be stable in your sense. As mentioned before it might theoretically be best to rename "stable" but it needs a volunteer (you?) to do the work to fix all the breakage which will result. > Do you seriously expect > all users to go thru the testing procedures enumerated below? Then use a point release with the security patches applied. > Most probably expect such things to be done by developers before > new and/or improved code is incorporated into "stable". Like I said, the testing matrix of the x86 platforms are way too damn fucking big. Do you know how many different flavors of intel eepro100 chips alone are out there? Do you think that any of the fxp developers have a full matrix of all of them? Do you even think that the people who are -current have all of them? Multiply that just by the number of x86 motherboards out there and you will get some idea of what kind of testing matrix we're talking about. Of course, are you volunteering to do QA on code before it goes into stable? If you've got the hardware and the manpower then maybe we can do something about it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 10: 0:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from segfault.kiev.ua (segfault.kiev.ua [193.193.193.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EDA37B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:59:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by segfault.kiev.ua (8) with UUCP id TWZ63523; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:59:43 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by iv.nn.kiev.ua (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6NGutv10268; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:56:55 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:56:55 +0300 From: Valentin Nechayev To: rrs@schoolie.there.net Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: High interrupt rate Message-ID: <20010723195655.A9663@iv.nn.kiev.ua> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: ; from rrs@there.net on Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 08:35:42PM -0700 X-42: On Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 20:35:42, rrs (Rob Schulhof) wrote about "High interrupt rate": > I'm puzzled why my system is spending 1% of CPU on system interrupts when > completely idle. I even with avery thing killed except kernel proceses top > and vmstat show 0.8% is spent servicing interrupts. A 'vmstat -i' shows the > only interrupts set are the CLK and RTC. Anybody come across this? I'm > assuming it's a hardware problem. One my system constantly shows 12% interrupt time. LA does not reflect this. Possibly state checking interferes with some external activity. One should know that these times are very approximate. /netch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 10: 0:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nomad.com (dialup-60-78.dplanet.ch [212.35.60.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A450C37B40C for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:00:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nomad.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6NH9EI00394; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:09:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:09:13 +0200 (CEST) From: "A. L. Meyers" To: Max Khon Cc: Steve Lumos , Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010723185432.L376-100000@nomad.consult-meyers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Max Khon wrote: > hi, there! > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Steve Lumos wrote: > > > I'm not whining about -STABLE, but then again I didn't lose. However, > > I think the current attitude toward people who end up losing after > > basically being led to -STABLE by the documentation is bad. It might > > be a good idea to add "NOTE: Since this documentation may be out of > > date with respect to -STABLE, you should never consider tracking it > > until you have read freebsd-stable for a couple of weeks." > > this happened because RELENG_4_3 is quite new idea (it is actually the > first -RELEASE branch) and seems that handbook is really out of sync with > real world > > /fjoe > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > Hello again! Guess what - I *did* carefully read the handbook before cvsupping stable. I *never* expected stable to be perfect but I did expect it to be "stable". All the docs I saw presented moving from RELEASE to STABLE as the normal course of action. No doc I remember mentioned a third tree. Maybe I misunderstood but my understanding was that a release is something like a snapshot from the stable branch. Well as we have an SMP server I was (sorry, but it's true) shocked to see big problems on production SMP machines due to some problems with stable soon after I subscribed. My mild problem was only with one executable pod2man, part of perl. So I just got nibbled. Now I am told that sysadmins should extensively test stable to make sure it is stable. My conclusions: 1. "Stable" should really be stable or be called something else. 2. The new "release" tree is apparently the real "stable" tree. 3. The handbook does not yet fully and accurately reflect the current situation and inform users sufficiently to enable them to decide rationally. All this is meant in completely positive ways. I like FreeBSD. Cheers! Lucien To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 10: 9: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from schoolie.there.net (segv.bitslap.net [208.25.77.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5E537B408 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:08:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rrs@there.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by schoolie.there.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFAD14327; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:09:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Rob Schulhof Reply-To: rrs@schoolie.there.net To: Valentin Nechayev Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: High interrupt rate In-Reply-To: <20010723195655.A9663@iv.nn.kiev.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Thanks for reply. I found that using the i8254 clock rather than the TSC clock seemed to solve the problem, but perhaps it's merely coincidence. --Rob On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Valentin Nechayev wrote: > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:56:55 +0300 > From: Valentin Nechayev > To: rrs@schoolie.there.net > Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: High interrupt rate > > Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 20:35:42, rrs (Rob Schulhof) wrote about "High interrupt rate": > > > I'm puzzled why my system is spending 1% of CPU on system interrupts when > > completely idle. I even with avery thing killed except kernel proceses top > > and vmstat show 0.8% is spent servicing interrupts. A 'vmstat -i' shows the > > only interrupts set are the CLK and RTC. Anybody come across this? I'm > > assuming it's a hardware problem. > > One my system constantly shows 12% interrupt time. LA does not reflect this. > Possibly state checking interferes with some external activity. > One should know that these times are very approximate. > > > /netch > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 10:22:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from snafu.adept.org (snafu.adept.org [63.201.63.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A01F37B408 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:22:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@adept.org) Received: by snafu.adept.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7E7A19EE06; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snafu.adept.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2FD9B00C; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:22:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hoskins To: Steve Lumos Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-Reply-To: <200107231630.AHQ09490@100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Steve Lumos wrote: > "the stable branch is effectively a bug-fix stream relative to the > previous release" True. > "[-RELEASE is] really just a ``snapshot'' from the -STABLE branch that > we put on CDROM," Well, it is really a snapshot, that's true again. Maybe it would be helpful to indicate that some amount of effort goes into ensuring the 'snapshot' is release-quality (I.e. code freezes, etc.). > sure sound like where I want to be. Actually, the user you describe as just 'ending up' places vs. actually RTFMing and making informed decissions sounds like a newbie. With that in mind, I'd suggest reading: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html Specifically, "If you haven't installed yet, look for the *latest mainstream release*." "Latest mainstream release" being a link to (at present) 4.3R. No one suggested that people so easily confused by development cycles actually try to install non-release releases. > I claim that there is a certain amount of stability being advertised > there. Correct. It's advertised, and is present. -STABLE is more 'stable' than -CURRENT. > "Any changes to this branch will have debuted in FreeBSD-CURRENT > first, helping to reduce (but not eliminate) the chance that the > changes will cause problems," Correct. > "Changes to this branch have not been widely tested and should not > be depended on to work." Hmm. Speak for yourself, and your apparent lack of clue. Personally, I have many working -STABLE boxes. > I'm not whining about -STABLE, but then again I didn't lose. However, > I think the current attitude toward people who end up losing after > basically being led to -STABLE by the documentation is bad. It might > be a good idea to add "NOTE: Since this documentation may be out of > date with respect to -STABLE, you should never consider tracking it > until you have read freebsd-stable for a couple of weeks." I don't have attitude toward people that 'lose'. I don't think anyone does. That's why you see hundreds of messages in list archives from individuals offering suggestions and help to those that have 'lost'. I do, however, have mass attitude toward individuals who fail then attempt to blame the failure on something other than themselves. It is suggested that users track relevant mailing lists for whichever branch they choose. In short, it's suggested users actually attempt to understand what they use. It may be worth noting that the official Handbook install procedure links to installation floppies for the current -RELEASE. Again, noone suggests users incapable of RTFMing run non-release releases. I can't stress this enough. Personally, I think the current naming convention makes a lot of sense. I also think that, no matter what names you chose for the branches, someone will dissent. I'm all for removing actual inconsistencies in the documentation. However, if this is really just an attempt to have things worded 'your way', I could argue I want it 'my way' (anyone could). Many of the places you cite above say exactly what they should say. I'm glad to know some work has been done to clarify past points of confusion (kudos to the docs team), I just hope time isn't wasted rewriting documentation for the sake of pleasing everyone (vs. saying what needs to be said)... As we all know, that's an endless battle. Later, -Mike -- Log analysis mailing list: http://www.adept.org/mailinglists.html#logwatchers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 10:23:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zero.namba1.com (zero.namba1.com [64.75.169.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B9637B406 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:23:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aaron@namba1.com) Received: from [134.173.120.17] by zero.namba1.com (NTMail 5.02.0001/QC8568.34.ce8cdec7) with ESMTP id rnmbaaaa for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:23:02 -1000 From: "Aaron Namba" To: "Lamont Granquist" , "Sung Nae Cho" Cc: Subject: RE: Is FreeBSD more secure than Windows NT or Windows 2000? Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:22:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20010721160436.K76974-100000@coredump.scriptkiddie.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a couple days old by now, but for the record, yes, there is a program that is standard amongst Windows NT/2000 systems integrators that will reset your admin password in a jiffy. Very handy. Also, I'm not sure about this password during reinstall. I've reinstalled NT and 2000 many times without being prompted for a password or losing access to my files later. Maybe the MSDN versions are different. Watch your backups too with 2000 machines... like a lot of systems, access to the backups means permissions-free access to the data. Anyway, I expect that this thread is done with, having used both fairly extensively, FreeBSD is better, because knowing exactly what is wrong is always better than never being sure if there is something wrong. On my Windows systems, I can never tell because Microsoft doesn't really like to release news about exploits if they don't have a patch available yet... -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Lamont Granquist Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 4:14 PM To: Sung Nae Cho Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD more secure than Windows NT or Windows 2000? yeah, okay, too much caffeine, too little sleep, too little food... sorry... for future reference, though, you should probably tone it down a bit when you're asking about O/S comparisons that are likely to produce kneejerk responses. comparing Microsquish and FreeBSD security is probably one of those topics. also to try to add a bit of information to this reply, I believe there's a utility which someone sells for a few hundred bucks which will let you boot from floppies and reset the local admin password on a Win2K box. for WinNT there are freeware utilities out there which will let you do this. for both of them there are freeware utilities which will let you boot from a floppy and read the NTFS partition (particularly to get/edit the NT equivalent of the password file). and of course there's also l0phtcrack... On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Sung Nae Cho wrote: > Huh? > > I didn't think my previous message was offensive to anyone, no? Maybe > people ought to learn to read the messages with complete attention before > start throwing flames at each other! Or even consider reading the > follow ups..... > > > Sung N. Cho > > > > > > On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Lamont Granquist wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 21 Jul 2001, Sung Nae Cho wrote: > > > Simply reinstalling Windows NT will not let you read someone else's > > > file. > > > > yeah, so just rip the drive out, stick it into a FBSD box and mount it > > using NTFS. > > > > the "security" feature of NT where it tries to make sure that you have a > > login on the box to be able to do anything is really, really annoying. I > > managed to lock myself out of my laptop (switched from domain to workgroup > > and lost my cached domain credentials) and didn't have a local admin > > password and couldn't fucking change the password. It was, of course, > > more than trivial to dual boot into FBSD and mount the partition under > > NTFS and get at all my files. But there's no tools out there to hack the > > new active directory passwords and the tools for hacking the old SAM files > > didn't work on W2K. So, the reportcard on W2K security in this way is > > that it gets a big F- on security *and* gets a big F- on administrative > > utility. FreeBSD at least acknowledges that you don't have any security > > when you're on the console and lets you do administrative tasks with the > > proper incantations. > > > > and this isn't appropriate for freebsd-stable. take your trolling > > elsewhere please. > > > > > Now I think that's being secure all the way. > > > > you have no clue about security, go away. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 10:34:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from snafu.adept.org (snafu.adept.org [63.201.63.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B653737B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:34:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@adept.org) Received: by snafu.adept.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 058AA9EE06; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snafu.adept.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10549B00C; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hoskins To: "A. L. Meyers" Cc: Max Khon , Steve Lumos , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-Reply-To: <20010723185432.L376-100000@nomad.consult-meyers.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, A. L. Meyers wrote: > Guess what - I *did* carefully read the handbook before cvsupping > stable. Ahh, I see. So... You read, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/ \ handbook/current-stable.html Under, "20.2.2.3 Using FreeBSD-STABLE" Which states, "Join the FreeBSD-stable mailing list . This will keep you informed of build-dependencies that may appear in FreeBSD-STABLE or any other issues requiring special attention." Upon reading this, you tracked -stable for awhile and after seeing there weren't known problems with your intended architecture (possibly utilizing list archives as well) proceeded with your install. Correct? > Now I am told that sysadmins should extensively test stable to > make sure it is stable. My conclusions: My conclusion (sorry, no offense!): "More people should learn how to read past a 3rd-grade level." Later, -Mike -- Log analysis mailing list: http://www.adept.org/mailinglists.html#logwatchers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 10:44:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from snafu.adept.org (snafu.adept.org [63.201.63.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D4837B408 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:44:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@adept.org) Received: by snafu.adept.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 979779EE06; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snafu.adept.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F48A9B00C; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:43:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hoskins To: Lamont Granquist Cc: "A. L. Meyers" , Steve Lumos , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-Reply-To: <20010723095250.B66779-100000@coredump.scriptkiddie.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Lamont Granquist wrote: > You're checking out the head of a development tree. It will never > be stable in your sense. As mentioned before it might theoretically > be best to rename "stable" but it needs a volunteer (you?) to do the > work to fix all the breakage which will result. This is the real problem - some individuals don't understand (don't CHOOSE to understand?) -STABLE means "more stable than -CURRENT" vs. "100% stable on 100% of the machines in the world." Granted, I never saw any official member of the FreeBSD community say "-STABLE is 100% stable on 100% of the machines in the world", so I never assumed -STABLE meant that. > > Do you seriously expect > > all users to go thru the testing procedures enumerated below? > Then use a point release with the security patches applied. Exactly. I expect users to RTFM enough not to shoot themselves in the foot. Afterall, it's your foot. Failing that, I expect them to bandage their own foot rather than asking why it was so easy to misfire after they loaded the gun and pointed it at their foot. > matrix we're talking about. Of course, are you volunteering to do QA on > code before it goes into stable? If you've got the hardware and the > manpower then maybe we can do something about it. That'd be nice... and expensive. *eyes QA racks for MUCH smaller matrix* :) Later, -Mike -- Log analysis mailing list: http://www.adept.org/mailinglists.html#logwatchers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 10:59:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kendra.ne.mediaone.net (kendra.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.227.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B86F37B407 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:59:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from avatar+july2001@kew.com) Received: from xena (xena.hh.kew.com [192.168.203.148]) by kendra.ne.mediaone.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DFF3815547 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006a01c113a1$404c7720$94cba8c0@xena> From: "Drew Derbyshire" To: References: Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:59:42 -0400 Organization: Kendra Electronic Wonderworks (http://www.kew.com/kendra) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > "[-RELEASE is] really just a ``snapshot'' from the -STABLE branch that > > we put on CDROM," > > Well, it is really a snapshot, that's true again. This statement is incorrect. And you state below why it's not true: > ... some amount of effort goes into ensuring the > 'snapshot' is release-quality (I.e. code freezes, etc.). It happens to be come off the -STABLE main branch, but it's no snapshot. It has code freezes, tracking of specific issues, multiple release candidates, and other release activities that give its quality. People do expect issues found in RC 1 to be fixed in RC 2, and so on. When it's cut, the release is believed good. This is completely different attitude from an arbitrary snapshot, even if many of the people doing the release don't realize it. -ahd- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 11: 1:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.bigmailbox.com (mail4.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E52737B406 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:01:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mnemonic@mail.be) Received: œby mail4.bigmailbox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA09311; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:01:39 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:01:39 -0700 Message-Id: <200107231801.LAA09311@mail4.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [217.136.70.98] From: "Mnemonic Engineer" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problem with burncd and especialy Sony CRX IDE Series Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Two month ago, I has a problem with my Sony CRX140E : acd1: CD-RW at ata3-master using PIO4 I have an ASUS A7V133 with two IDE Controllers : atapci0: port 0xd800-0xd80f at device 4.1 on pci0 atapci1: port 0x8000-0x803f,0x8400-0x8403,0x8800-0x8807,0x9000-0x9003,0x9400-0x9407 mem 0xd5000000-0xd501ffff irq 10 at device 17.0 on pci0 When I connect my CRX140E to the first controller (VT82C686), FreeBSD 4.3, crash on boot when it try to configure CRX140E. At the beginning, I believed that there was my "Promise ATA100" controller which were the cause of the crash. When I connect my CRX140E to the Promise ATA100, it work in PIO4 mode, and It work near perfectly. I have some issues like : burncd: ioctl(CDRIOCCLOSEDISK): Input/output error When It was connected to the VT82C686 It was in UltraDMA33 Mode, I have some friend that have the same problem with CRX series. I think that FreeBSD have some problems with SONY CRX IDE serie, and a big problem with DMA (VT82C686) and CRX140E. [ These problems don't exist on NetBSD/Linux, it'snt an HW problem ] ------------------------------------------------------------ Want a free mail at http://www.mail.be ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 11:23:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net (100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net [24.234.0.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C023737B406 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:23:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from slumos@nevada.edu) Received: from nevada.edu (cm246.19.234.24.lvcm.com [24.234.19.246]) by 100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AHR11632; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107231814.AHR11632@100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net> To: Mike Hoskins Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-Reply-To: Message from Mike Hoskins of "Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:22:35 PDT." Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:13:26 -0700 From: Steve Lumos Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Hoskins : >On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Steve Lumos wrote: >Actually, the user you describe as just 'ending up' places vs. actually >RTFMing and making informed decissions sounds like a newbie. With that in >mind, I'd suggest reading: > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html > >Specifically, > > "If you haven't installed yet, look for the *latest mainstream > release*." This is a perfect example of how the documentation is going wrong. If you have installed FreeBSD, then that ain't you. That's one reason why I suggested changing "if you are new to FreeBSD, you are most likely going to want to think twice about running [-CURRENT]." There are a lot more people who ought to think twice about running -CURRENT then just those who are "new to FreeBSD". >> "Changes to this branch have not been widely tested and should not >> be depended on to work." > >Hmm. Speak for yourself, and your apparent lack of clue. Personally, I >have many working -STABLE boxes. Well, I might not be the most clueful person in the world, but I can usually manage to avoid having ad hominem and hasty generalization fallacies in consecutive sentences. Do you dislike that sentence because you claim that -STABLE has been widely tested, or that it should be depended on to work, or both? From what other people have said, it seems to be the case that a) -STABLE used to be exactly what the handbook (until the most recent update) says it is, and b) it's not anymore, but RELENG__ is instead. I would be interested to hear somebody authoritative correct that, but otherwise it means the handbook needs to be fixed. No big deal, seems to be happening already, everybody be happy. Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 11:43:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quasar.phys.vt.edu (quasar.phys.vt.edu [128.173.176.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A741B37B405 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:43:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu) Received: from localhost (sucho2@localhost) by quasar.phys.vt.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6NIhTQ16708; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:43:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:43:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Sung Nae Cho To: Steve Lumos Cc: Mike Hoskins , Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-Reply-To: <200107231814.AHR11632@100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Hmmmm, I thought FreeBSD-x.x-STABLE was the stabilized version of the of the released version, i.e., FreeBSD-x.x-RELEASE. And, FreeBSD-CURRENT was the version being worked on for next major release. When FreeBSD-x.x-STABLE gets sufficiently enough bugs fixed, time to add on new ports, FreeBSD-x.x-RELEASE comes out officially (which gets burned into CD for stores!). Then the FreeBSD-x.x-STABLE continues because even the new version always have new bugs. Of course, one can't make CD image files (iso's) for each STABLE snapshots for it comes out nearly daily + too much of time consumption. Basically, FreeBSD-x.x-STABLE means it's a bug fixed version to the recent released set. But, as always, no matter how well one tries to evict the "bug", there's always a new plague about to emerge. A "Bug" is like a virus that mutates into something else. If you literally think FreeBSD-x.x-STABLE would be bug free, you must be in some sort of fantasy world and there's nothing anyone can satisfy your taste. Sung N. Cho On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Steve Lumos wrote: > Mike Hoskins : > >On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Steve Lumos wrote: > >Actually, the user you describe as just 'ending up' places vs. actually > >RTFMing and making informed decissions sounds like a newbie. With that in > >mind, I'd suggest reading: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html > > > >Specifically, > > > > "If you haven't installed yet, look for the *latest mainstream > > release*." > > This is a perfect example of how the documentation is going wrong. If > you have installed FreeBSD, then that ain't you. That's one reason > why I suggested changing "if you are new to FreeBSD, you are most > likely going to want to think twice about running [-CURRENT]." There > are a lot more people who ought to think twice about running -CURRENT > then just those who are "new to FreeBSD". > > >> "Changes to this branch have not been widely tested and should not > >> be depended on to work." > > > >Hmm. Speak for yourself, and your apparent lack of clue. Personally, I > >have many working -STABLE boxes. > > Well, I might not be the most clueful person in the world, but I can > usually manage to avoid having ad hominem and hasty generalization > fallacies in consecutive sentences. Do you dislike that sentence > because you claim that -STABLE has been widely tested, or that it > should be depended on to work, or both? > > >From what other people have said, it seems to be the case that a) > -STABLE used to be exactly what the handbook (until the most recent > update) says it is, and b) it's not anymore, but RELENG__ > is instead. I would be interested to hear somebody > authoritative correct that, but otherwise it means the handbook needs > to be fixed. No big deal, seems to be happening already, everybody be > happy. > > Steve > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 11:46: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from snafu.adept.org (snafu.adept.org [63.201.63.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEAF437B403 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:45:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@adept.org) Received: by snafu.adept.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A41619EE0D; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snafu.adept.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12229B00C; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:45:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hoskins To: Steve Lumos Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-Reply-To: <200107231814.AHR11632@100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Steve Lumos wrote: > likely going to want to think twice about running [-CURRENT]." There > are a lot more people who ought to think twice about running -CURRENT > then just those who are "new to FreeBSD". I thought we were discussing -STABLE? Yes, I think we all agree there are a lot of people who should think twice before running -CURRENT. I thought wordage was already in place that pointed to this. > Do you dislike that sentence because you claim that -STABLE has been > widely tested, or that it should be depended on to work, or both? I dislike it for the reasons pointed to in my earlier post. > is instead. I would be interested to hear somebody > authoritative correct that, but otherwise it means the handbook needs > to be fixed. No big deal, seems to be happening already, everybody be > happy. I suppose now we're arguing over whether it really needs to be 'fixed', or simply 'massaged' to a form that satisfies everyone (which I also alluded to in my previous post). 'Fixed' implies some inheirent brokeness I'm not necessarily ready to admit. Afterall, if it's as broken as you seem to think, I guess deploying actually stable FreeBSD machines in production environemnts for the past 3-4 years has just been 'luck'. No document of this nature can be static. Things change, updates have to be made. Hopefully some of the individuals making change suggestions are actually submitting diffs, etc. as well. Later, -Mike -- Log analysis mailing list: http://www.adept.org/mailinglists.html#logwatchers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 12:29:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from yertle.kciLink.com (yertle.kcilink.com [216.194.193.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4DA37B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:29:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kcilink.com) Received: from onceler.kciLink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [216.194.193.106]) by yertle.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F9A2E45F for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kciLink.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6NJTZk81240; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:29:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khera@kcilink.com) X-Authentication-Warning: onceler.kciLink.com: khera set sender to khera@kcilink.com using -f To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: use rdump without rsh (over ssh)? References: <2895235231.20010720145821@arcadia.spb.ru> From: Vivek Khera Date: 23 Jul 2001 15:29:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: <2895235231.20010720145821@arcadia.spb.ru> Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "LS" == Lev Serebryakov writes: LS> Hello All, LS> Is it possible in FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE, to use rdump without enabled LS> rsh? LS> Is here any way to use rdump over SSH? No, but I believe there is a PR sitting around requesting it. It was brain-dead for whomever decided to disable rsh and not fix the rmt protocol to work with ssh. And piping dump to ssh to a pipe to dd is not the same as remote dump using rmt. Try it with multiple tape volumes and see how far you get. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D. Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: khera@kciLink.com Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 13:26:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quack.kfu.com (quack.kfu.com [205.178.90.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE9637B403 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:26:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from morpheus.kfu.com (morpheus.kfu.com [3ffe:1200:301b:1:2d0:b7ff:fe3f:bdd0]) by quack.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6NKQnt84708 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:26:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from quack.kfu.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by morpheus.kfu.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6NKQnt16520; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:26:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Message-ID: <3B5C8889.6070807@quack.kfu.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:26:49 -0700 From: Nick Sayer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010701 X-Accept-Language: en, en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "A. L. Meyers" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? References: <20010721182504.L857-100000@nomad.consult-meyers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A. L. Meyers wrote: > Hi! > > Having followed the postings here for a few weeks it seems, at > least occasionally, that "stable" appears to be a bit less than > "stable". > > Is it recommended procedure to always do "make clean" in /usr/src > before cvsupping the latest sources and following the rest of the > steps as explained in the handbook? > > (Have deleted /usr/obj as recommended in handbook.) If you do a 'make buildworld', then neither of these steps should be required unless the world is somehow broken (that is, if everything is working correctly, 'make buildworld' should be sufficient). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 14: 0:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail7.nc.rr.com (fe7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A98737B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:00:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aa8vb@nc.rr.com) Received: from stealth.cary.dummynet ([66.26.228.229]) by mail7.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:00:06 -0400 Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.cary.dummynet (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6NKxWc01764; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:59:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from aa8vb@nc.rr.com) X-Authentication-Warning: stealth.cary.dummynet: rhh set sender to aa8vb@nc.rr.com using -f Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:59:32 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Richard Nyberg Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to list extended partitions Message-ID: <20010723165931.A1745@nc.rr.com> References: <20010722141454.A10057@nc.rr.com> <20010723104658.B43405@gromit.it.su.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010723104658.B43405@gromit.it.su.se>; from rnyberg@it.su.se on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:46:58AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Richard Nyberg: |Randall Hopper |> |> Does -stable have a command that'll walk the extended partition tree |> and print at least the type-ID for each? | |I'm almost certain you can run 'fdisk slice', where "slice" is the slice |containing the extended partitions. | |Eg. like this: |# fdisk ad0s4 Unfortunately, this prints nonsense. The first line in the output reveals the likely cause: fdisk: can't get disk parameters on /dev/ad0s4; supplying dummy ones Thanks anyway, Randall -- Randall Hopper aa8vb@nc.rr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 14: 0:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-27-141-144.mmcable.com [24.27.141.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A28637B405 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:00:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 98780 invoked by uid 100); 23 Jul 2001 21:00:39 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15196.36983.328968.125196@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:00:39 -0500 To: Steve Lumos , "A. L. Meyers" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Max Khon Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? In-Reply-To: <200107231630.AHQ09490@100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net> References: <20010723185432.L376-100000@nomad.consult-meyers.com> <200107231630.AHQ09490@100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Steve Lumos types: > Of course I butted in because I read the documentation and didn't get > out of it any indication that -STABLE wasn't where I wanted to be. > Certainly, the phrases: "the stable branch is effectively a bug-fix > stream relative to the previous release", and "[-RELEASE is] really > just a ``snapshot'' from the -STABLE branch that we put on CDROM," > sure sound like where I want to be. [Other changes deleted.] I don't have any real problems with those changes. You should PR them, rather than just sending them to the list. If you need help with that, let me know. A. L. Meyers types: > Now I am told that sysadmins should extensively test stable to > make sure it is stable. My conclusions: Any sysadmin who doesn't test new system software - no matter where it comes from - before putting it in production should be looking for a new career. How extensive the testing should be depends on what the software is being deployed on and how critical the application is. The testing described should be SOP for a mission critical application running on a load balancing server farm, even if you're running a commercial OS. A sysadmins job is to keep the system up and running properly. Software providers - being human - aren't perfect, so mistakes slip through. Even vendors of commercial software running on supported configurations of proprietary hardware sometimes miss a step. Any sysadmin who fails to test properly expecting the software vendor to do the sysadmins job is a fool. The biggest problem with FreeBSD -stable has been build errors due to incomplete or clashing MFC's. That's part of the price of tracking a development project. By their very nature, such things never break a production system, though they may delay a planned OS upgrade. Once you get beyond them, -stable breaks about as frequently as the commercial systems I've dealt with. I alternate between being amazed that the FreeBSD team has managed that, and being disgusted that the commercial vendors - who presumably have a proper testing matrix - don't do better. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 15: 8:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ghostwheel.tribble.net (ghostwheel.tribble.net [206.124.26.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2A337B406 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:08:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tribble@tribble.net) Received: (from tribble@localhost) by ghostwheel.tribble.net (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6NM8Sx55563; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:08:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tribble@tribble.net) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:08:28 -0600 From: Paul To: Aaron Mildenstein Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SB Live Message-ID: <20010723160828.A55460@tribble.net> References: <01072115111802.33386@OpsyDopsy.net.dhis.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from aaronm@orem.verio.net on Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 08:28:29AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does OSS actually work in FreeBSD without locking up the whole system now? It did exactly that for the longest time, so I kind of stopped paying attention. Seemed like the developers cared more about linux support and not about fixing their code for BSD. Once upon a time, Aaron Mildenstein scribed: > Pay to get a hold of the commercial OSS drivers (like I did). > > Aaron Mildenstein > __ > > 9 little greeblys sitting on a plate... Regards, Paul http://www.tribble.net/ "Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy?" -- Thomas Jefferson Indeed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 15:26:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web13504.mail.yahoo.com (web13504.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B3A637B406 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:26:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dacia_icarus@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010723222613.33499.qmail@web13504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.81.179.31] by web13504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:26:13 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:26:13 -0700 (PDT) From: abram olson Subject: Re: mass uninstall all ports? To: Stephan van Beerschoten Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20010723110118.A53761@enigma.whacky.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG excellent point! --- Stephan van Beerschoten wrote: > Since you're going to remove all the packages, I > would suggest to > use pkg_delete -f to force the de-install. Who cares > about dependencies > when you're going to remove everything anyway ? :) > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, abram olson wrote: > > > Awesome! Thank you Brandon. > > > > > > Abe > > --- "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" > > > wrote: > > > On Thursday, July 12, 2001 15:05:12 -0700, abram > > > olson > > > wrote: > > > +----- > > > | If it doesn't, is there a way to remove every > > > package > > > | that isn't part of the base system at one go? > I'm > > > +--->8 > > > > > > pkg_info | cut -d\ -f1 | xargs pkg_delete > > > > > > :) > > > > > > -- > > > brandon s. allbery > [os/2][linux][solaris][freebsd] > > > allbery@kf8nh.apk.net > > > system administrator [JAPH][WAY too many hats] > > > > allbery@ece.cmu.edu > > > electrical and computer engineering > > > > KF8NH > > > carnegie mellon university [linux: proof of > the > > > million monkeys theory] > > > > > > > > > ===== > > Jesus saves. > > Allah forgives, > > Cthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. > > ------------------------------------------ > > See my digital art at: > > > > http://www.foramenmagnum.net/images.html > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of > the message > > -- > Stephan van Beerschoten [SVB21-RIPE] > stephanb@whacky.net > PGP fingerprint: 4557 9761 B212 FB4C 778D 3529 > C42A 2D27 > "To err is human, to forgive is Not Company Policy" ===== Jesus saves. Allah forgives, Cthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich. ------------------------------------------ See my digital art at: http://www.foramenmagnum.net/images.html __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 15:32:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.rwwa.com (ns1.rwwa.com [66.92.67.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3780337B403 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:32:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from witr@rwwa.com) Received: from rwwa.com (harvey.rwwa.com [192.124.97.11]) by ns1.rwwa.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F92A31E4; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:32:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Paul Cc: Aaron Mildenstein , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SB Live In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:08:28 MDT." <20010723160828.A55460@tribble.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:33:07 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Message-Id: <20010723223227.2F92A31E4@ns1.rwwa.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG tribble@tribble.net said: :-Does OSS actually work in FreeBSD without locking up the whole system :-now? It did exactly that for the longest time, so I kind of stopped :-paying attention. Seemed like the developers cared more about linux :-support and not about fixing their code for BSD. Same with me. Their stuff *never* worked, and they gave me a lot of crap when I tried to get them to deliver the support they promised, so gave up. It isn't enough money to hassel with getting a refund over, or suing them, etc. I guess that is what they counted on. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, R.W. Withrow Associates, Swampscott MA, witr@rwwa.COM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 15:34:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1717D37B403 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:34:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6NMXHt98441; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:33:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: slumos@nevada.edu Cc: mike@adept.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: OK, OK, THE HANDBOOK IS FIXED ALREADY [was Re: is "stable" "stable"?] In-Reply-To: <200107231814.AHR11632@100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net> References: <200107231814.AHR11632@100m.mpr200-2.esr.lvcm.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010723153317R.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:33:17 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 6 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Guys, guys, the handbook has been fixed! Can everyone with a strong opinion either way simply read the latest handbook revision and go back to your lives now? :) Thanks. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 15:54:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mikea.ath.cx (okc-65-26-223-53.mmcable.com [65.26.223.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9A237B410 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:54:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikea@mikea.ath.cx) Received: (from mikea@localhost) by mikea.ath.cx (8.11.4/8.11.1) id f6NMshN77120; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:54:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mikea) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:54:43 -0500 From: mikea To: Mnemonic Engineer Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with burncd and especialy Sony CRX IDE Series Message-ID: <20010723175443.A77104@mikea.ath.cx> References: <200107231801.LAA09311@mail4.bigmailbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <200107231801.LAA09311@mail4.bigmailbox.com>; from mnemonic@mail.be on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:01:39AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 11:01:39AM -0700, Mnemonic Engineer wrote: > Two month ago, I has a problem with my Sony CRX140E : [snip] > I think that FreeBSD have some problems with SONY CRX IDE serie, and a big problem with DMA (VT82C686) and CRX140E. > > [ These problems don't exist on NetBSD/Linux, it'snt an HW problem ] You submitted a PR, of course. What's the PR number? -- Mike Andrews mikea@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin since 1964 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 15:59:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.orem.verio.net (gatekeeper.orem.verio.net [192.41.0.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B978A37B403 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:59:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aaronm@orem.verio.net) Received: from mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (mx.dmz.orem.verio.net [10.1.1.10]) by gatekeeper.orem.verio.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34F73BF2CD for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:59:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (aaronm@localhost) by mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6NMxWG77109; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:59:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aaronm@mx.dmz.orem.verio.net) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:59:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Aaron Mildenstein To: Paul Cc: Aaron Mildenstein , Subject: Re: SB Live In-Reply-To: <20010723160828.A55460@tribble.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes, indeed. I'm a satisfied paying customer. To make certain, I downloaded and tested an evaluation copy, and then licensed it after I was sure. I'm running 4.3-stable as of about the middle of May, and have patched the kernel for the suid vulnerabilities, etc. since then. It seems to work just fine still. Aaron Mildenstein __ 9 little greeblys sitting on a plate... On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Paul wrote: > Does OSS actually work in FreeBSD without locking up the whole system now? > It did exactly that for the longest time, so I kind of stopped paying > attention. Seemed like the developers cared more about linux support and > not about fixing their code for BSD. > > Once upon a time, Aaron Mildenstein scribed: > > Pay to get a hold of the commercial OSS drivers (like I did). > > > > Aaron Mildenstein > > __ > > > > 9 little greeblys sitting on a plate... > > Regards, > Paul > > http://www.tribble.net/ > > "Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall > be sold and what we may buy?" -- Thomas Jefferson > > Indeed. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 16: 6:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail8.nc.rr.com (fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1050337B407 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:06:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aa8vb@nc.rr.com) Received: from stealth.cary.dummynet ([66.26.228.229]) by mail8.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:11:42 -0400 Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.cary.dummynet (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6NLB6302013; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:11:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from aa8vb@nc.rr.com) X-Authentication-Warning: stealth.cary.dummynet: rhh set sender to aa8vb@nc.rr.com using -f Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:11:06 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Thomas Quinot Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to list extended partitions Message-ID: <20010723171106.A1897@nc.rr.com> References: <20010722141454.A10057@nc.rr.com> <20010723103817.A34915@melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010723103817.A34915@melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org>; from thomas@cuivre.fr.eu.org on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 10:38:17AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thomas Quinot: |Randall Hopper: | |> Is there a way to determine this in -stable? | |You can use the Linux fdisk with Linux emulation. Ugly, but it works. "fdisk -l /dev/hda" failed (guess Linux device names aren't emulated), but it seemed to work when when I pointed it at the FreeBSD devices (e.g. /dev/ad0). Thanks. Guess I'll use Linux fdisk in FreeBSD. Randall -- Randall Hopper aa8vb@nc.rr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 17:17: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kt-exchange.edmonton.kanotech.net (edtn016788.hs.telusplanet.net [161.184.241.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1EA837B403 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:16:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from moligny@kanotech.com) Received: from kt-server2.edmonton.kanotech.net ([192.168.1.2]) by kt-exchange.edmonton.kanotech.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.1600); Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:16:56 -0600 Received: (from moligny@localhost) by kt-server2.edmonton.kanotech.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6O0GcE64236 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:16:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moligny@kanotech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: kt-server2.edmonton.kanotech.net: moligny set sender to moligny@kanotech.com using -f Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:16:38 -0600 From: "Mike A. Oligny" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: strange panic... Message-ID: <20010723181638.B64209@kt-server2.edmonton.kanotech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2001 00:16:56.0294 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2A4E860:01C113D5] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I only have a second, but...=20 20010721 4.3 STABLE sysinstall seems broken to me... try: Main Menu / Options / Terminal - change from cons25 to cons25-m, then back to cons25 - panic: Going nowhere without my init!=20 Actually, I just realized that this might be the feature I've been=20 whining for - because the yellow bothers me on my LCD screen. :) =20 I hope it's not indirectly my fault! cc pandaro@freebsd.schema.ca please. =20 Thanks! --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: jpBMk4TeraLd07+y8/JuX9yDayuIhAZt iQEVAwUBO1y+ZfdSqNaIjzytAQENywgAoScNjij/K8tzqVqgXS7pRC7tinErV1NP gA9ORJmQGqKlE1xOYX7XO0kuSRUkAXUJdsfaIKi50OokuLZn81692Uf4lMaXP/l0 ZZeTh/6kKpPsdeVOJh8YOXposwF61eqUvG7Z+WiTgQpFOTyquz2GWx7Cqua0WUDG i2qMwsnRrI6G4ODrSpVTtYixpSNoBF0VUMAKrzx8cSWOIUU4mJjKcMvBxAejecN/ aAQWGVyGDaugENcxWxXkyrbZQs2D8om3qUuLx1PhNGCDVX0HzsofOZe9PcX1fIwZ mkPjhWSDdkbVpL2Z1tBXXb8Bc5z/iGFgq7ZgDwAVSV1F3pYJlzkEDw== =WOMf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Bn2rw/3z4jIqBvZU-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 17:43:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quasar.phys.vt.edu (quasar.phys.vt.edu [128.173.176.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C876337B406 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:43:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu) Received: from localhost (sucho2@localhost) by quasar.phys.vt.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6O0hDL17183 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:43:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:43:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Sung Nae Cho To: Subject: Softupdate, is it better than journaling file system? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I was wondering if there is a real perferomance comparison between softupdates and journaling file systems available for Linux systems. One thing I still don't like about FreeBSD is the file (copying, deleting, extracting... etc) system performance. Linux seems to be much faster in (copying, deleting, extracting.....) files than FreeBSD even with "async" option enabled in fstab. How good is softupdates compared to those already maturing journaling file systems available to Linux? Regards, Sung N. Cho, Monday, July 23, 2001. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 18: 1:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kremilek.gyrec.cz (kremilek.gyrec.cz [62.168.40.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7616A37B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:01:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from admin@kremilek.gyrec.cz) Received: from localhost (admin@localhost) by kremilek.gyrec.cz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA04799 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:01:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:01:06 +0200 (CEST) From: To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: possible remote exploit Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hallo again, Thanks for all answers. Few days after hacking of my server I know the reason;). Because of misconfigurated firewall (changing provider from modem to air, but has forgotten to change interface ;) telnetd was opened and there was a bug as it was said in security today ;) Karel Rous To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 18:27:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717EC37B403 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:27:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27140; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:27:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:27:05 -0700 From: "Chad R. Larson" To: Sung Nae Cho Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Softupdate, is it better than journaling file system? Message-ID: <20010723182705.A27101@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:43:13PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 08:43:13PM -0400, Sung Nae Cho wrote: > I was wondering if there is a real perferomance comparison between > softupdates and journaling file systems available for Linux > systems. One thing I still don't like about FreeBSD is the file > (copying, deleting, extracting... etc) system performance. Linux > seems to be much faster in (copying, deleting, extracting.....) > files than FreeBSD even with "async" option enabled in fstab. How > good is softupdates compared to those already maturing journaling > file systems available to Linux? There have been several lengthy discussions on this topic lately. Perhaps you'd like to check the mailing list archives. In a nutshell, softupdates on FreeBSD gives very near the same performance as an async mount, and gives you =much= better filesystem security. How that compares to various Linux filesystems, I don't really know. Nor do I really care. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 18:44:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7482C37B403 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:44:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from mail2.uniserve.com ([204.244.156.10]) by mail2.uniserve.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 15OrEu-00057y-00; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:44:00 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:44:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@athena.uniserve.ca To: Sung Nae Cho Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Softupdate, is it better than journaling file system? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Sung Nae Cho wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if there is a real perferomance comparison between > softupdates and journaling file systems available for Linux systems. One > thing I still don't like about FreeBSD is the file (copying, deleting, > extracting... etc) system performance. Linux seems to be much faster in > (copying, deleting, extracting.....) files than FreeBSD even with "async" > option enabled in fstab. How good is softupdates compared to those > already maturing journaling file systems available to Linux? Journalling file systems by their nature, are very disk intensive. Updates go to the journal first, and are then written to the disk. Quite often the journal becomes a bottleneck. Very often metadata updates are slower on journalled file systems than on non-journalled systems. Async mounts, and softupdate mounts (softupdate is safer) should be similar performance to Linux, but make sure all your disk options are turned on too. Disk write-cache and other things can give you a lot more performance, at the risk of safety. Neither async mounts, or softupdates are journalled filesystems. As others have mentioned, this is old news. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 18:45: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.cs.uml.edu (saturn.cs.uml.edu [129.63.8.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD77737B407 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:44:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from acahalan@saturn.cs.uml.edu) Received: (from acahalan@localhost) by saturn.cs.uml.edu (8.11.0/8.11.2) id f6O1iwN277507; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200107240144.f6O1iwN277507@saturn.cs.uml.edu> From: "Albert D. Cahalan" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Cc: sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu Subject: Re: Softupdate, is it better than journaling file system? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sung Nae Cho writes: > I was wondering if there is a real perferomance comparison > between softupdates and journaling file systems No, there is not. Journalling can be very fast when sync writes are required. (for email, NFS, or whatever) At other times, it can be slow. Your mileage may vary. Note that many journalling filesystems have performance benefits that are completely unrelated to journalling. This is simply a result of newer design. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 19:44: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU (morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU [129.78.25.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5449D37B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:44:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tonym@angis.org.au) Received: from angis.org.au (p48570.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.189.186]) by morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19007; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:43:56 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3B5CE0EB.2227C110@angis.org.au> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:43:55 +1000 From: Tony Maher Reply-To: tonym@biolateral.com.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Albert D. Cahalan" , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Softupdate, is it better than journaling file system? References: <200107240144.f6O1iwN277507@saturn.cs.uml.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Albert D. Cahalan" wrote: > > Sung Nae Cho writes: > > > I was wondering if there is a real perferomance comparison > > between softupdates and journaling file systems > > No, there is not. > > Journalling can be very fast when sync writes are required. > (for email, NFS, or whatever) At other times, it can be slow. > Your mileage may vary. > > Note that many journalling filesystems have performance > benefits that are completely unrelated to journalling. > This is simply a result of newer design. Or you could read some actual research on the subject: http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/usenix2000/general/seltzer.html -- Tony Maher To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 20:33:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pemaquid.safeport.com (pemaquid.safeport.com [204.156.12.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39A337B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:33:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by pemaquid.safeport.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6O3XPs87132 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:33:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: pemaquid.safeport.com: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:33:25 -0400 (EDT) From: To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: switching cards breaks pccard Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have been using a 3Com Megahertz 589E for 2-3 months. Swapping in a 56K modem card (Viking - V.90 K56flex) caused pccard to change the device memory as shown in the diff below. The system is a Dell Inspiron 7500 with 4.3-stable. The change is remembered until the system is powered down. Is there a way to reset without turn off the power?? Hopefully all this crap goes away in 5.0 right?? (I hope) pemaquid:~/temp> diff boot.good boot.bad 44c44 < pcic-pci1: at device 4.1 on pci0 --- > pcic-pci1: mem 0xc002000-0xc002fff at device 4.1 on pci0 83,90c83 < Card "3Com"("Megahertz 589E") [TP/BNC LAN PC Card] [005] matched "3Com" ("Megahertz 589E") [(null)] [(null)] < ep0: <3Com Etherlink III 3C589> at port 0x240-0x24f irq 10 slot 1 on pccard1 < ep0: Ethernet address 00:00:86:5a:85:8e < ep0: 3Com (Megahertz 589E) inserted. < New IP Address(ep0): 192.168.3.59 < New Subnet Mask (ep0): 255.255.255.0 < New Broadcast Address(ep0): 192.168.3.255 < New Routers: 192.168.3.1 --- > No card in database for "(null)"("(null)") _____ Douglas Denault doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-469-8766 Fax: 301-469-0601 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 20:38:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-27-141-144.mmcable.com [24.27.141.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C5B2737B405 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:38:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 12665 invoked by uid 100); 24 Jul 2001 03:38:00 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15196.60824.446123.550996@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:38:00 -0500 To: tonym@biolateral.com.au Cc: "Albert D. Cahalan" , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Softupdate, is it better than journaling file system? In-Reply-To: <3B5CE0EB.2227C110@angis.org.au> References: <200107240144.f6O1iwN277507@saturn.cs.uml.edu> <3B5CE0EB.2227C110@angis.org.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tony Maher types: > "Albert D. Cahalan" wrote: > > > > Sung Nae Cho writes: > > > > > I was wondering if there is a real perferomance comparison > > > between softupdates and journaling file systems > > > > No, there is not. > > > > Journalling can be very fast when sync writes are required. > > (for email, NFS, or whatever) At other times, it can be slow. > > Your mileage may vary. > > > > Note that many journalling filesystems have performance > > benefits that are completely unrelated to journalling. > > This is simply a result of newer design. > > Or you could read some actual research on the subject: > > http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/usenix2000/general/seltzer.html That version requires a membership in usenix. One of the authors has published it at http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 20:55:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU (morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU [129.78.25.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4127037B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:55:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tonym@biolateral.com.au) Received: from dt.home (p48570.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.189.186]) by morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA27633; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:55:11 +1000 (EST) Received: (from tonym@localhost) by dt.home (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6O3sxd89089; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:54:59 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from tonym) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:54:59 +1000 (EST) From: Tony Maher Message-Id: <200107240354.f6O3sxd89089@dt.home> To: mwm@mired.org Subject: Re: Softupdate, is it better than journaling file system? Cc: stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/usenix2000/general/seltzer.html > > That version requires a membership in usenix. One of the authors has > published it at http://www.lcs.ece.cmu.edu/~soules/papers/seltzer.pdf > No, USENIX recently changed their policy. Only the current year requires membership. "Proceedings of conferences from previous years are now freely available to everyone. All abstracts continue to be freely available, as well. The full papers of the past twelve months are available only to USENIX members." Though some of their web pages are misleading with old warnings. -- Tony Maher To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jul 23 21:10:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from panda.freebsdsystems.com (216.126.94.34 [216.126.94.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3324237B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:10:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lnb@freebsdsystems.com) Received: (qmail 5567 invoked by uid 89); 24 Jul 2001 04:10:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724041008.5566.qmail@panda.freebsdsystems.com> From: "Lanny Baron" To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: weird problem when upgrading brand new box Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 04:10:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: lnb@freebsdsystems.com Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I just installed fbsd4.3 and upgraded to -STABLE. Did the usual, make update, make buildworld, make buildkernel, make installkerrnel and make installworld. The problem is upon reboot. The boot process stops just before a panic and there was a prompt to boot a device. I have not seen this before. In any event I could not boot -s and load kernel.old as it said kernel.old not found. Additionally the message just before it crashes out says device ad not found. I had then reinstalled again and upon booting the same problem, with the exception that I can boot -s with kernel.old. Anyone know what might be going on here? Thanks in advance. -Lanny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 0:38:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5D037B407 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:38:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from coffee@blarg.net) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAA8BCF8 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:38:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paco.blarg.net (trilluser@paco.fatburrito.com [206.124.139.210]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27650 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:38:37 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724003748.00b1dd20@mail.blarg.net> X-Sender: coffee@mail.blarg.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:41:19 -0700 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org From: "Derek C." Subject: APM bug? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Line 132 of -stable under src/i386/config/generic which reads: device apm0 at nexus? disable flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management causes a kernel build to fail 100% of the time on my system, reporting a syntax error. Is it just me, or does this break for everyone else as well? If I change it to: device apm0 (as seen in LINT) It works perfectly. Thanks, Derek To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 0:55: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4907237B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:55:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from coffee@blarg.net) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07310BCFD for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paco.blarg.net (trilluser@paco.fatburrito.com [206.124.139.210]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29370 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:55:05 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724005624.00af4aa8@mail.blarg.net> X-Sender: coffee@mail.blarg.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:57:47 -0700 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Derek C." Subject: Re: APM bug? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724003748.00b1dd20@mail.blarg.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Whoops, my bad, it only breaks if I change it to enable... I donno if it's supposed to break on that (the site I found said to do exactly that, change disable to enable). Derek At 12:41 AM 7/24/2001, Derek C. wrote: >Line 132 of -stable under src/i386/config/generic which reads: >device apm0 at nexus? disable flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management >causes a kernel build to fail 100% of the time on my system, reporting a >syntax error. Is it just me, or does this break for everyone else as well? > >If I change it to: >device apm0 >(as seen in LINT) > >It works perfectly. > >Thanks, >Derek > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 1: 1: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dart.sr.se (dart.SR.SE [193.12.91.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C82837B403 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:00:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gunnar@pluto.sr.se) Received: from honken.sr.se ([134.25.128.27]) by dart.sr.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20591 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:00:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar@pluto.sr.se) Received: from pluto.sr.se (pluto.SR.SE [134.25.193.91]) by honken.sr.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA52684 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:00:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar@pluto.sr.se) Received: (from root@localhost) by pluto.sr.se (8.11.2/8.11.1) id f6O80qt29642 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:00:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar) Received: (from gunnar@localhost) by pluto.sr.se (8.11.2/8.11.1av) id f6O80oX29634 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:00:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gunnar) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:00:50 +0200 From: Gunnar Flygt To: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Updating to the new telnetd Message-ID: <20010724100049.A29619@sr.se> Reply-To: Gunnar Flygt Mail-Followup-To: Gunnar Flygt , FreeBSD Stable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a machine running 4.3-RELEASE cvsuped via the RELENG_4_3 branch. What's the best way to see to that I have the new telnetd on the machine? I saw that the cvsup gave me a lot of changes to the telnetd files, but also to two other files. One in crypto part and one in netinet (or whatever). Will it be enough to only rebuild telnetd, or should I make world? -- __o regards, Gunnar ---_ \<,_ email: flygt@sr.se ---- (_)/ (_) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 1:28:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from orbix.mobilix.dk (orbix.mobilix.dk [212.97.216.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C31D37B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:28:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from MVN@orangedk.com) Received: from msgate-b.intra.mobilix.dk (msgate-b.intra.mobilix.dk [172.16.3.107]) by orbix.mobilix.dk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6O8SJF04979; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:28:19 +0200 Received: by msgate-b.intra.mobilix.dk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:27:37 +0100 Message-ID: <2D3005375CAED31199D00008C784963F02C0F448@ms02.mobilix.dk> From: Morten Vinding Nielsen To: "'Derek C.'" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: APM bug? Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:27:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just remove the "disable", recompile and your kernel will have APM support. Btw. is there another way of enabling a disabled device, than boot using boot -c and enable it from the bootup-config? I was thinking of a boot-configuration file where it could be set, so that we don't have to recompile the kernel to get APM or PCCARD support for instance. /Morten -----Original Message----- From: Derek C. [mailto:coffee@blarg.net] Sent: 24. juli 2001 08:58 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: APM bug? Whoops, my bad, it only breaks if I change it to enable... I donno if it's supposed to break on that (the site I found said to do exactly that, change disable to enable). Derek At 12:41 AM 7/24/2001, Derek C. wrote: >Line 132 of -stable under src/i386/config/generic which reads: >device apm0 at nexus? disable flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management >causes a kernel build to fail 100% of the time on my system, reporting a >syntax error. Is it just me, or does this break for everyone else as well? > >If I change it to: >device apm0 >(as seen in LINT) > >It works perfectly. > >Thanks, >Derek To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 1:34: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83B337B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:34:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from parv@worldnet.att.net) Received: from worldnet.att.net ([32.101.235.24]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010724083402.DUQX5127.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:34:02 +0000 Received: by worldnet.att.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ED99250BC6; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 04:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 04:38:01 -0400 From: parv To: "Derek C." Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: APM bug? Message-ID: <20010724043801.A42208@moo.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: "Derek C." , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724003748.00b1dd20@mail.blarg.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20010724005624.00af4aa8@mail.blarg.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724005624.00af4aa8@mail.blarg.net>; from coffee@blarg.net on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 12:57:47AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG on Jul 24 04:08, i got this from Derek... > Whoops, my bad, it only breaks if I change it to enable... > > I donno if it's supposed to break on that (the site I found said to do > exactly that, change disable to enable). > > Derek > > At 12:41 AM 7/24/2001, Derek C. wrote: > >Line 132 of -stable under src/i386/config/generic which reads: > >device apm0 at nexus? disable flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management > >causes a kernel build to fail 100% of the time on my system, reporting a > >syntax error. Is it just me, or does this break for everyone else as well? how about, just... device apm0 at nexus? flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management ...take out 'disable' to enable (implicit enable) -- so, do you like word games or scrabble? - parv To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 1:38: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A62A37B405 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:37:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (v-ger [158.227.6.51]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6O8buP29665; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:37:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from we.lc.ehu.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6O8Yn216677; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:34:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Message-ID: <3B5D3329.73CA6423@we.lc.ehu.es> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:34:49 +0200 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" Organization: Universidad del =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pa=EDs?= Vasco - Dept. de Electricidad y =?iso-8859-1?Q?Electr=F3nica?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: es-ES, es, en-US, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sung Nae Cho Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Softupdate, is it better than journaling file system? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sung Nae Cho wrote: > > I was wondering if there is a real perferomance comparison between > softupdates and journaling file systems available for Linux systems. One > thing I still don't like about FreeBSD is the file (copying, deleting, > extracting... etc) system performance. Linux seems to be much faster in > (copying, deleting, extracting.....) files than FreeBSD even with "async" > option enabled in fstab. How good is softupdates compared to those > already maturing journaling file systems available to Linux? > FreeBSD comes out of the box with filesystem robustness in mind, instead of performance. However, you can tune the system for getting higher disk performance. First, you should enable "softupdates" on each filesystem, using tunefs(8). And, if your system has ATA disks, you could enable the write cache; the procedure is described in ata(4), but in a few words, add hw.ata.wc="1" to /boot/loader.conf and reboot. -- JMA ****** Jose M. Alcaide // jose@we.lc.ehu.es // jmas@FreeBSD.org ****** ** "Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers" -- Leonard Brandwein ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 1:50:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from x2.tg.eyeque.org (x2.tg.eyeque.org [195.42.219.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C22B37B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:50:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kore@tg.eyeque.org) Received: by x2.tg.eyeque.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id D4F987587; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:49:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:49:32 +0200 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Testing Message-ID: <20010724094932.D1125@tg.eyeque.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i From: kore@tg.eyeque.org (Marcus Larsson) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for this, needed to check if I was still subbed to fbsd-stable. -- Marcus Larsson, Stockholm, Sweden Email: kore@tg.eyeque.org IRC: kore on irc.du.se (EFnet) IRC: kore on newnet.big.du.se (NewNet) Cell: +46 (0)709 797996 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 1:54:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate2.abacus.co.uk (mailgate2.abacus.co.uk [194.130.48.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 99B7137B40B for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:54:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from antony@dp.abacus.co.uk) Received: (qmail 9160 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2001 08:54:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dp.abacus.co.uk) (194.130.48.111) by mailgate2.abacus.co.uk with SMTP; 24 Jul 2001 08:54:28 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5D37C4.3B756AC7@dp.abacus.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:54:28 +0100 From: Antony T Curtis Reply-To: antony@abacus.co."uk" Organization: Abacus Polar PLC (UK) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: ACPI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Any idea when ACPI support might be MFC? -- ANTONY T CURTIS Tel: +44 (1635) 36222 Abacus Polar Holdings Ltd Fax: +44 (1635) 38670 > The First Rule of Program Optimization: >  Don't do it. >  > The Second Rule of Program Optimization (for experts only!): >  Don't do it yet. >  -- Michael Jackson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 2:12:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (paperboy.sixforty.co.uk [195.10.242.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525AA37B405 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 02:12:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk) Received: (from root@localhost) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f6O9CIu28034; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:12:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk) Delivered-To: mnemonic@mail.be Received: from lfarr (daisy.int.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.6.200]) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1av) with ESMTP id f6O9CFe28025; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:12:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: "'Mnemonic Engineer'" , Subject: RE: Problem with burncd and especialy Sony CRX IDE Series Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:12:02 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c11420$b3fc2600$c806a8c0@lfarr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 In-Reply-To: <200107231801.LAA09311@mail4.bigmailbox.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had similar problems until updating to the latest BIOS on my A7V. Now I have no prblems at all. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Mnemonic Engineer Sent: 23 July 2001 19:02 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problem with burncd and especialy Sony CRX IDE Series Two month ago, I has a problem with my Sony CRX140E : acd1: CD-RW at ata3-master using PIO4 I have an ASUS A7V133 with two IDE Controllers : atapci0: port 0xd800-0xd80f at device 4.1 on pci0 atapci1: port 0x8000-0x803f,0x8400-0x8403,0x8800-0x8807,0x9000-0x9003,0x9400-0 x9407 mem 0xd5000000-0xd501ffff irq 10 at device 17.0 on pci0 When I connect my CRX140E to the first controller (VT82C686), FreeBSD 4.3, crash on boot when it try to configure CRX140E. At the beginning, I believed that there was my "Promise ATA100" controller which were the cause of the crash. When I connect my CRX140E to the Promise ATA100, it work in PIO4 mode, and It work near perfectly. I have some issues like : burncd: ioctl(CDRIOCCLOSEDISK): Input/output error When It was connected to the VT82C686 It was in UltraDMA33 Mode, I have some friend that have the same problem with CRX series. I think that FreeBSD have some problems with SONY CRX IDE serie, and a big problem with DMA (VT82C686) and CRX140E. [ These problems don't exist on NetBSD/Linux, it'snt an HW problem ] ------------------------------------------------------------ Want a free mail at http://www.mail.be ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 3: 7: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail13.bigmailbox.com (mail13.bigmailbox.com [209.132.220.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833DE37B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:07:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mnemonic@mail.be) Received: œby mail13.bigmailbox.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA10846; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:07:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:07:00 -0700 Message-Id: <200107241007.DAA10846@mail13.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-Ip: [217.136.70.4] From: "Mnemonic Engineer" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk Subject: RE: RE: Problem with burncd and especialy Sony CRX IDE Series Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lawrence Farr : > I had similar problems until updating to the latest BIOS on my A7V. > Now I have no prblems at all. I want to solve my problem ;-) : Which revision of A7V did you havve ? (A7V or A7V133) Which revision of BIOS did you use ? (if not avaible on ASUS site can you tell me where can I get it ?) Which version of FreeBSD did you use ? (have you modified the source code ?) And can you tell me witch configuration did you use ? (like that :) VT82C686 ATA100: ad0s1 : CDROM (acd0) ad1s1 : nothing ad2s1 : CRX140E (acd1) ad3s1 : nothing PDC20265 ATA100: ad4s1 : Harddisk ad5s1 : nothing ad6s1 : nothing ad7s1 : nothing Thanks you ! mikea : > You submitted a PR, of course. > What's the PR number? What is a "PR number" ? ;-) Thanks you ! ------------------------------------------------------------ Want a free mail at http://www.mail.be ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 3: 9:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tropez.org (adsl-63-193-193-6.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.193.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 43C9737B405 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:09:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nuno@tropez.org) Received: (qmail 55780 invoked by uid 1001); 24 Jul 2001 10:19:23 -0000 Date: 24 Jul 2001 10:19:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20010724101923.55779.qmail@tropez.org> From: nuno@tropez.org To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: suscribe freebsd-stable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG suscribe freebsd-stable To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 3:17:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C8D37B403 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:17:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #7) id 15OzFW-000Ds1-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:17:10 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6OAH9x67639 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:17:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 12:50:11 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: problems installing XFree86 4.0 Message-ID: <20010720125011.A14519@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I backed up /usr/X11R6, and did 'make' from XFree86-4-Server. I just cvsupped ports before running this. Here is where it failed: install in lib/Xrender done installing in lib/Xft... rm -f xftcfg.o unshared/xftcfg.o LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../../exports/lib cc -c -ansi -pedantic -Dasm=__asm -Wall -Wpoin ter-arith -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I../.. -I../../ exports/include -DCSRG_BASED -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DNARROWPROTO -DXTHREADS -D_REENT RANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -DXUSE_MTSAFE_API -DXNO_MTSAFE_PWDAPI -DXFT_DEFAULT_PATH= \"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XftConfig\" -DFREETYPE2 xftcfg.c -o unshared/xftcfg.o In file included from xftint.h:30, from xftcfg.c:28: XftFreetype.h:34: syntax error before `_XftFTlibrary' XftFreetype.h:34: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `_XftFTlibra ry' XftFreetype.h:34: ANSI C forbids data definition with no type or storage class XftFreetype.h:37: syntax error before `FT_Face' XftFreetype.h:41: syntax error before `FT_F26Dot6' XftFreetype.h:54: syntax error before `FT_Matrix' XftFreetype.h:71: syntax error before `face' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4-li jcm -- o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o | ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jonathon McKitrick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | "I prefer the term 'Artificial Person' myself." | o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 3:21: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B73337B403 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:20:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #6) id 15OzIy-0009aa-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:20:44 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6OAKil67674 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:20:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:20:43 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: single user mode lockup Message-ID: <20010724112043.B67568@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anyone else seen this? I have a Toshiba 4010CDT laptop with the Noteworthy modem that comes with it, and a Kingston KNE-PCM/T network card. I use the default pccard.conf settings. The problem: Shutdown to single-user, then exit and restart multi-user. The first few lines of output show everything starting fine, then the bright kernel message appears, showing that either ed or sio device (pccard) is recognized, then it immediately hangs. No page fault, no panic, no spontaneous reset. # Skipping disk checks ... vfs.usermount: 1 -> 1 Setup PC-CARD: memory beep pccardd Doing initial network setup:. ppp0: flags=8010 mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 sio2 at port 0x2e8-0x2ef irq 10 slot 1 on pccard1 sio2: type The last two lines are the bright kernel lines, and this transcript is with only the modem inserted. It is worth noting that my sio device is usually #1, not device #2. If the ed card is inserted, it comes up as ed1 and then hangs. I have included a verbose dmesg output as well as a kernel config. jcm -- o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o | ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jonathon McKitrick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | "I prefer the term 'Artificial Person' myself." | o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o uptime: 3m30s Rebooting... Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #78: Mon Jul 16 10:15:41 EDT 2001 jcm@hyperion.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/JUPITER Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium II/Pentium II Xeon/Celeron (266.62-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x652 Stepping = 2 Features=0x183f9ff real memory = 167706624 (163776K bytes) avail memory = 159924224 (156176K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0325000. Preloaded elf module "linux.ko" at 0xc032509c. Preloaded elf module "snd_mss.ko" at 0xc032513c. Preloaded elf module "snd_pcm.ko" at 0xc03251ec. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled apm0: on motherboard apm: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected at v1.2 npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcic-pci0: at device 2.0 on pci0 pcic-pci1: at device 2.1 on pci0 pci0: at 4.0 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xfe60-0xfe6f at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 pci0: at 7.2 irq 11 chip1: port 0xfe70-0xfe7f at device 7.3 on pci0 chip2: port 0xff80-0xff9f irq 11 at device 10.0 on pci0 orm0:
im running freebsd 4.3-stable and every = friday=20 night i'm updating my sources via cvsup. my question is do i have to = always=20 build the world after every cvsup so that i may stay = stable?
 
jett
------=_NextPart_000_0146_01C114F6.5665B160-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 19:56:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from todd-server.doonga.net (h0000e85749b9.ne.mediaone.net [66.31.205.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2385C37B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:56:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from todd@doonga.net) Received: from toddpc (todd-pc.doonga.net [192.168.0.248]) by todd-server.doonga.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id f6P2rt023916; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:53:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from todd@doonga.net) From: "Todd Punderson" To: "jett" , "freebsd-stable" Subject: RE: make world every week? Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:56:13 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C11493.D6C55850" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <014901c114b3$48d98140$4b443dca@jett> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C11493.D6C55850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't. I just run a buildworld/makeworld when there is a security advisory. That gives me an excuse to go through the process. Your milage my vary.. Todd -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of jett Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:41 PM To: freebsd-stable Subject: make world every week? im running freebsd 4.3-stable and every friday night i'm updating my sources via cvsup. my question is do i have to always build the world after every cvsup so that i may stay stable? jett ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C11493.D6C55850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=20 don't. I just run a buildworld/makeworld when there is a security = advisory. That=20 gives me an excuse to go through the process.
Your=20 milage my vary..
Todd
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im running freebsd 4.3-stable and = every friday=20 night i'm updating my sources via cvsup. my question is do i have to = always=20 build the world after every cvsup so that i may stay = stable?
 
jett
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C11493.D6C55850-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 19:56:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from yoda.bmi.net (yoda.bmi.net [204.57.191.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2EF37B40D for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:56:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmcoopr@webmail.bmi.net) Received: from johncoop.MSHOME ([206.63.201.3]) by yoda.bmi.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16681; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:22:50 -0700 Received: from johncoop.MSHOME (jmcoopr@localhost [::1]) by johncoop.MSHOME (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6P2uTB96477; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:56:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmcoopr@johncoop.MSHOME) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:56:29 -0700 From: John Merryweather Cooper To: jett Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: make world every week? Message-ID: <20010724195629.G89715@johncoop> References: <014901c114b3$48d98140$4b443dca@jett> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <014901c114b3$48d98140$4b443dca@jett>; from tayerv@team.ph.inter.net on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 19:41:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.1.7 Lines: 14 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001.07.24 19:41 jett wrote: > im running freebsd 4.3-stable and every friday night i'm updating my > sources via cvsup. my question is do i have to always build the world > after every cvsup so that i may stay stable? > > jett > Please turn off the double-pump of HTML. It makes replying a mess . . . No. I cvsup frequently, but I only make when something of interest has changed. Then I make world && make kernel KERNCONF=your_kernel_config. jmc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 20: 6:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from snark.ptc.spbu.ru (snark.ptc.spbu.ru [195.19.225.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D260837B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:06:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uwe@snark.ptc.spbu.ru) Received: (from uwe@localhost) by snark.ptc.spbu.ru (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id HAA14995 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:06:45 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:06:45 +0400 From: "Valeriy E. Ushakov" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: wc, tagging &c (not a troll ;) Message-ID: <20010725070644.A14953@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In my box I have a Quantum drive and an IBM DTLA-307015 drive. The latter supports tagged queuing, as ata(4) tells and from the discussion(s) on this list my understanding is that tags are safe, unlike write caching (since we sometimes have random power glitches, I really don't want to turn wc on). However code in ata-disk in ad_attach does if (ata_wc || ata_tags) turn on wc if (ata_tags && ad_tagsupported(adp)) turn on tagging This makes me nervous as at the first glance it looks like it will enable wc on my quantum drive even though it doesn't do tagging. Shouldn't it be: do_tagging = ata_tags && ad_tagsupported(adp); if (ata_wc || do_tagging) turn on wc if (ata_tags && do_tagging) turn on tagging Thanks. SY, Uwe -- uwe@ptc.spbu.ru | Zu Grunde kommen http://www.ptc.spbu.ru/~uwe/ | Ist zu Grunde gehen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 20: 9:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from laguna.i-next.net (laguna.i-next.net [202.61.68.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC7737B403 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:09:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tayerv@team.ph.inter.net) Received: from jett (bsd.i-next.net [202.61.68.75]) by laguna.i-next.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BC56624EA4; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:18:09 +0800 (PHT) Message-ID: <018501c114b5$e4ef2b00$4b443dca@jett> From: "Da better Half" To: "Valeriy E. Ushakov" , References: <20010725070644.A14953@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> Subject: Re: wc, tagging &c (not a troll ;) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:59:59 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG does this concern freebsd-stable? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valeriy E. Ushakov" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: wc, tagging &c (not a troll ;) > In my box I have a Quantum drive and an IBM DTLA-307015 drive. The > latter supports tagged queuing, as ata(4) tells and from the > discussion(s) on this list my understanding is that tags are safe, > unlike write caching (since we sometimes have random power glitches, I > really don't want to turn wc on). > > However code in ata-disk in ad_attach does > > if (ata_wc || ata_tags) > turn on wc > > if (ata_tags && ad_tagsupported(adp)) > turn on tagging > > This makes me nervous as at the first glance it looks like it will > enable wc on my quantum drive even though it doesn't do tagging. > Shouldn't it be: > > do_tagging = ata_tags && ad_tagsupported(adp); > > if (ata_wc || do_tagging) > turn on wc > > if (ata_tags && do_tagging) > turn on tagging > > > Thanks. > > SY, Uwe > -- > uwe@ptc.spbu.ru | Zu Grunde kommen > http://www.ptc.spbu.ru/~uwe/ | Ist zu Grunde gehen > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 20:18: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.22.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF3537B405 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:18:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6P3Hvs11832; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:17:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <084423909011971FE8@mail8.mgfairfax.rr.com> References: <084423909011971FE8@mail8.mgfairfax.rr.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:17:55 -0400 To: ray.kohler@mail.com, Kris Kennaway From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: Looks like (some) networking is broken Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 9:12 PM -0700 7/24/01, Ray Kohler wrote: >7/24/01 5:04:04 PM, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > >You have to make world whenever you update your kernel sources. > >If a kernel change is that drastic then there ought to be a message in >UPDATING. It shouldn't take an 8-hour process to (say) get a small >bugfix in place. You do not have to do a buildworld if you are only changing your kernel CONFIG (the file in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf, such as GENERIC), but I think it has always been true that you need to buildworld if a cvsup has changed any sources in the kernel. There is no reason to have a special entry in UPDATING, as a buildworld in that case is just "standard operating practice". -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 20:19:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-27-141-144.mmcable.com [24.27.141.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E1CBD37B409 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:19:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 5145 invoked by uid 100); 25 Jul 2001 03:19:32 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15198.15044.424089.897222@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:19:32 -0500 To: "jett" Cc: "freebsd-stable" Subject: Re: make world every week? In-Reply-To: <014901c114b3$48d98140$4b443dca@jett> References: <014901c114b3$48d98140$4b443dca@jett> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG jett types: > im running freebsd 4.3-stable and every friday night i'm updating my > sources via cvsup. my question is do i have to always build the > world after every cvsup so that i may stay stable? Well, I'd say you're not really tracking stable in that case. On the other hand, if you're watching the CVS and -stable mail lists, you'll have an idea when something interesting goes into the sources and can update at that time, which some would stay is tracking stable. Frequency of updating - modulo security fixes - is really a question of personal preference so long as you use reasonable practices during the udpate process. I try and do the update once a week as a matter of course, as more frequent updates are less traumatic in mergemaster. I also prefer it if the sources match the installed system, so I generally don't cvsup unless I'm planning on rebuilding things in the near future. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 20:26:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from snark.ptc.spbu.ru (snark.ptc.spbu.ru [195.19.225.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAD437B408 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:26:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uwe@snark.ptc.spbu.ru) Received: (from uwe@localhost) by snark.ptc.spbu.ru (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id HAA15034 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:26:22 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:26:21 +0400 From: "Valeriy E. Ushakov" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wc, tagging &c (not a troll ;) Message-ID: <20010725072621.B14953@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010725070644.A14953@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> <018501c114b5$e4ef2b00$4b443dca@jett> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.3i In-Reply-To: <018501c114b5$e4ef2b00$4b443dca@jett>; from "Da better Half" on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 10:59:59 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 10:59:59 +0800, Da better Half wrote: > does this concern freebsd-stable? Yes, because I'm about to update my FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Mon Apr 23 (wc disabled by default) to the just cvsupped stable (wc enabled by default) and I think a quick check if I understand the issue correctly is more productive than filing a bogus PR based on my misunderstanding the issue. SY, Uwe -- uwe@ptc.spbu.ru | Zu Grunde kommen http://www.ptc.spbu.ru/~uwe/ | Ist zu Grunde gehen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 20:31:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bluenugget.net (bsd.st [64.3.150.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3BF37B435 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:31:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geniusj@bluenugget.net) Received: from jason8bo2vxz5e (windows.box [64.3.150.191]) by bluenugget.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA8C13680; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <02f701c114ba$439511c0$bf960340@jason8bo2vxz5e> From: "Jason DiCioccio" To: "Mit Rowe" , "Sung Nae Cho" , References: Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:31:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2495.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2495.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Side note: OS X makes a great desktop if you're into BSD :-).. I currently have it on my G4 PowerBook.. And frankly, it's just plain sexy. Of course you will have to have Apple hardware :-) Cheers, -JD- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mit Rowe" To: "Sung Nae Cho" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: RE: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! > > > I'm a Systems and Network administrator, not a Office Administrator, I > don't eat snickers bars (bad for the teeth), and since there's no room in my > server room for me to sit comfortably i have a real desk in a real office. > > I wouldn't use FreeBSD for a desktop if my life depended on it. > > It's not what is was designed for, and quite frankly would likely take away > from the reasons it *was* designed for: a nice, solid, dependable and > reliable networked operating system. > > For that, I use nothing but. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Sung Nae Cho > > Sent: July 24, 2001 18:41 PM > > To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! > > > > > > Hi, > > > > This is regarding that recent performance issue (Linux, Windows, FreeBSD, > > Solaris). I don't care what you (people who are so stuck up with > > stability) think, I use FreeBSD as a desktop and I need performance! I > > have "async" otpion turned on in my /etc/fstab, I'm glad the FreeBSD by > > default enables the write cache for my hard disks. Come on, wake up! > > FreeBSD is no longer for some dorky server administrator who does nothing > > but chewing on snickers bar sitting in corner of some room full of racks > > and HDD's. And, I bet most people use FreeBSD for desktop use, not as > > server use! I've shut down the computer by plugging the power plug out > > just because I was upset or not in the moeed and all it cost me was some > > extra time booting due to file system check. I've never had any of my > > files, emails or anything like that being lost due to cold shutting my > > computer. I'm sick of this server administrators always crying for > > stability. If FreeBSD won't take use of all the capabilities offered in > > todays hard drives, I won't be using it! I'll switch right over to Linux. > > Come on, desktop is the king and FreeBSD should focus itself evolving in > > desktop market. If you gonna whine about stability, go back to FreeBSD > > 2.x, 3.x. For me, FreeBSD 4.x, 5.x should be more desktop oriented, and > > desktops need performance!!!!! > > > > > > Sung N. Cho > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 20:33:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bluenugget.net (bsd.st [64.3.150.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C11F37B409 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:33:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geniusj@bluenugget.net) Received: from jason8bo2vxz5e (windows.box [64.3.150.191]) by bluenugget.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E664113680; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <030801c114ba$96287170$bf960340@jason8bo2vxz5e> From: "Jason DiCioccio" To: "Rev. K Kanno" , "Sung Nae Cho" Cc: References: Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:33:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2495.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2495.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't think there are enough resources to do something like this. How can someone predict what support you want in your servers? If you want your own kernel, build it yourself.. Or build your own kernel/config file and use it across all the servers assuming they're similar. I don't think the FreeBSD team should have to have 10 different maintained kernel builds just to satisfy everyone. Cheers, -JD- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rev. K Kanno" To: "Sung Nae Cho" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! > On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Sung Nae Cho wrote: > > I disagree. I'd like to know there is always a stable platform to run server > duties on for the intel platform. If I want a pretty desktop with 3 trillion > apps, I will run windows. > > This is just me, but I'm really sick of commenting out all the trash for > dekstops from my kernel config files. I don't give a damn about human > interface devices, USB and nonsense like that. Maybe there could be two > versions of FreeBSD. A "stripped down" version for servers and maybe some port > or installation option that just adds the toys and nonsense desktop people > seem to want for a workstation. > > Just an opinion. > > KEN > > > > Hi, > > > > This is regarding that recent performance issue (Linux, Windows, FreeBSD, > > Solaris). I don't care what you (people who are so stuck up with > > stability) think, I use FreeBSD as a desktop and I need performance! I > > have "async" otpion turned on in my /etc/fstab, I'm glad the FreeBSD by > > default enables the write cache for my hard disks. Come on, wake up! > > FreeBSD is no longer for some dorky server administrator who does nothing > > but chewing on snickers bar sitting in corner of some room full of racks > > and HDD's. And, I bet most people use FreeBSD for desktop use, not as > > server use! I've shut down the computer by plugging the power plug out > > just because I was upset or not in the moeed and all it cost me was some > > extra time booting due to file system check. I've never had any of my > > files, emails or anything like that being lost due to cold shutting my > > computer. I'm sick of this server administrators always crying for > > stability. If FreeBSD won't take use of all the capabilities offered in > > todays hard drives, I won't be using it! I'll switch right over to Linux. > > Come on, desktop is the king and FreeBSD should focus itself evolving in > > desktop market. If you gonna whine about stability, go back to FreeBSD > > 2.x, 3.x. For me, FreeBSD 4.x, 5.x should be more desktop oriented, and > > desktops need performance!!!!! > > > > > > Sung N. Cho > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== > The Exploding Fruit Challenge! Rev. K. Kanno > > www.energybeam.com blowup-fruit@energybeam.com > ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 20:41:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rapier.goldsword.com (rapier.goldsword.com [199.170.202.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2895D37B403 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:41:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by rapier.goldsword.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05773; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:44:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <200107250344.XAA05773@rapier.goldsword.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: If you think people use FreeBSD for server, you must've been outta school for long long time! Cc: jfarmer@goldsword.com In-Reply-To: <20010724162417A.jkh@freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:24:17 Jordan Hubbard said: > Whatever it is, I wish it would stop. The signal-to-noise ratio has > been simply ridiculous lately and if the latest poster really wants a > BSD desktop solution, I'm sure Apple would be happy to sell him an > iMac. He can even run Tomb Raider on it and watch Lara Croft's > breasts jiggle in fine OpenGL rendered detail! Yeasssss! Now my son & I have a reason to buy an iMac! (Peaking over shoulder for wife....) John ---------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Owner & CTO GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com 865-691-6498 Knoxville TN Internet Services & Servers, Network Design, Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 20:42: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from laguna.i-next.net (laguna.i-next.net [202.61.68.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D2437B406 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:42:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jett@laguna.i-next.net) Received: from jett (bsd.i-next.net [202.61.68.75]) by laguna.i-next.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F10C24EA4; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:50:23 +0800 (PHT) Message-ID: <027a01c114ba$65ceaa80$4b443dca@jett> From: "Jett Tayer" To: "Jason DiCioccio" Cc: References: <030801c114ba$96287170$bf960340@jason8bo2vxz5e> Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:32:13 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Come on man!, if u want some desktop performance go use windows. in my own opinion, freebsd is the powerful server OS there is and the most stable. Jett Tayer Interdotnet Phils. Systems Operations ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason DiCioccio" To: "Rev. K Kanno" ; "Sung Nae Cho" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:33 AM Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! > I don't think there are enough resources to do something like this. How can > someone predict what support you want in your servers? If you want your own > kernel, build it yourself.. Or build your own kernel/config file and use it > across all the servers assuming they're similar. I don't think the FreeBSD > team should have to have 10 different maintained kernel builds just to > satisfy everyone. > > Cheers, > -JD- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rev. K Kanno" > To: "Sung Nae Cho" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:51 PM > Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! > > > > On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Sung Nae Cho wrote: > > > > I disagree. I'd like to know there is always a stable platform to run > server > > duties on for the intel platform. If I want a pretty desktop with 3 > trillion > > apps, I will run windows. > > > > This is just me, but I'm really sick of commenting out all the trash for > > dekstops from my kernel config files. I don't give a damn about human > > interface devices, USB and nonsense like that. Maybe there could be two > > versions of FreeBSD. A "stripped down" version for servers and maybe some > port > > or installation option that just adds the toys and nonsense desktop people > > seem to want for a workstation. > > > > Just an opinion. > > > > KEN > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > This is regarding that recent performance issue (Linux, Windows, > FreeBSD, > > > Solaris). I don't care what you (people who are so stuck up with > > > stability) think, I use FreeBSD as a desktop and I need performance! I > > > have "async" otpion turned on in my /etc/fstab, I'm glad the FreeBSD by > > > default enables the write cache for my hard disks. Come on, wake up! > > > FreeBSD is no longer for some dorky server administrator who does > nothing > > > but chewing on snickers bar sitting in corner of some room full of racks > > > and HDD's. And, I bet most people use FreeBSD for desktop use, not as > > > server use! I've shut down the computer by plugging the power plug out > > > just because I was upset or not in the moeed and all it cost me was some > > > extra time booting due to file system check. I've never had any of my > > > files, emails or anything like that being lost due to cold shutting my > > > computer. I'm sick of this server administrators always crying for > > > stability. If FreeBSD won't take use of all the capabilities offered in > > > todays hard drives, I won't be using it! I'll switch right over to > Linux. > > > Come on, desktop is the king and FreeBSD should focus itself evolving in > > > desktop market. If you gonna whine about stability, go back to FreeBSD > > > 2.x, 3.x. For me, FreeBSD 4.x, 5.x should be more desktop oriented, and > > > desktops need performance!!!!! > > > > > > > > > Sung N. Cho > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== > > The Exploding Fruit Challenge! Rev. K. Kanno > > > > www.energybeam.com blowup-fruit@energybeam.com > > ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 20:47:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rapier.goldsword.com (rapier.goldsword.com [199.170.202.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D05D37B403 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:47:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by rapier.goldsword.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05800; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:51:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <200107250351.XAA05800@rapier.goldsword.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! Cc: jfarmer@goldsword.com In-Reply-To: <02f701c114ba$439511c0$bf960340@jason8bo2vxz5e> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:31:17 Jason DiCioccio said: > Side note: OS X makes a great desktop if you're into BSD :-).. I currently > have it on my G4 PowerBook.. And frankly, it's just plain sexy. Of course > you will have to have Apple hardware :-) > [This should prob. move to -chat...] I understood that Darwin and most of not all of the hardware drivers were going to OpenSourced? (Thinking of building my very own AMD-based machine around FreeBSD & Darwin...) Also, rumours have it that "The Jobs" is talking to AMD to use the upcoming K64 cpu as the basis for the next Apple line... John ---------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Owner & CTO GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com 865-691-6498 Knoxville TN Internet Services & Servers, Network Design, Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 20:57:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.22.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA8E37B407 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:57:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6P3vQs82976; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:57:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <014901c114b3$48d98140$4b443dca@jett> References: <014901c114b3$48d98140$4b443dca@jett> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:57:23 -0400 To: "jett" , From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: make world every week? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:41 AM +0800 7/25/01, jett wrote: >im running freebsd 4.3-stable and every friday night i'm updating >my sources via cvsup. my question is do i have to always build the >world after every cvsup so that i may stay stable? If you wish to say you are "staying stable", then you would want to do a buildworld frequently. At least once a week, imo. On the other hand, there is no need to be a slave to "staying stable". I tend to build once-a-month, or a little quicker than that if I see something of interest to me go by. Lately it has worked out to a buildworld about every other weekend, but I expect to drop back to once-a-month sometime soon. Stick with whatever schedule you are comfortable with. One thing I would add. If you stumble across something which is not working right, then I would suggest building stable before reporting that. (at least if you are trying to follow stable). It may very well be that a change made last week has broken something, but that something is already fixed by this week. If you did not stumble upon a problem until two weeks after you last did a buildworld, then it is probably a good idea to do a new buildworld before reporting the problem. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 20:58:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.22.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED9937B407 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:58:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6P3wYs108224; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:58:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:58:32 -0400 To: Sung Nae Cho , From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 6:40 PM -0400 7/24/01, Sung Nae Cho wrote: >Hi, > >This is regarding that recent performance issue (Linux, Windows, >FreeBSD, Solaris). I don't care what you (people who are so stuck >up with stability) think, I use FreeBSD as a desktop and I need >performance! A lot of us are people who are paid to keep servers running, and therefore we use freebsd on servers. If you wish to use freebsd as a desktop OS, we certainly wish you the best of luck at it. If you have some contributions to make to freebsd to make it a better desktop OS, we can probably find someone who will be happy to look at them. By "contributions" I mean "working code changes", and not simply some cheer-leading from the sidelines. One of the rules of an open-source project like freebsd is that the people who are doing the work get to say what the work is that they are going to do. I do use freebsd in a server context, and therefore the changes which I personally work on are bound to be related to the work that I do. It is annoying that you feel some right to insult me for contributing the work that I do contribute, when you are not paying me anything for any work that I do. If you do not care what I think, then why do you fantasize that I care what you think? -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 20:58:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.22.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B4537B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:58:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6P3wis140668; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:58:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:58:43 -0400 To: Sung Nae Cho , From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: If you think people use FreeBSD for server, you must've been outta school for long long time! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 7:09 PM -0400 7/24/01, Sung Nae Cho wrote: >Hi, > >As far as I know, at Virginia Tech, especially in Physics + >mathematics department, most of us use either Linux, FreeSD, and other >flavors of UNICES for non i386 machines. I am sure we are all happy for you. Please note that I will continue to use freebsd for what I want to use it for, and I will not stop you from using it for what you want to use it for. You are just trying to start up a debate over personal preferences. There is no need to debate anything. This thread is not appropriate for this mailing list. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 21: 7:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from laguna.i-next.net (laguna.i-next.net [202.61.68.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C2837B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:07:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jett@laguna.i-next.net) Received: from jett (bsd.i-next.net [202.61.68.75]) by laguna.i-next.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E8EB24EA4; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:16:09 +0800 (PHT) Message-ID: <02d201c114bd$ffa59260$4b443dca@jett> From: "Jett Tayer" To: "Sung Nae Cho" , , "Garance A Drosihn" References: Subject: Re: If you think people use FreeBSD for server, you must've been outta school for long long time! Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:58:00 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i agree. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garance A Drosihn" To: "Sung Nae Cho" ; Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:58 AM Subject: Re: If you think people use FreeBSD for server, you must've been outta school for long long time! > At 7:09 PM -0400 7/24/01, Sung Nae Cho wrote: > >Hi, > > > >As far as I know, at Virginia Tech, especially in Physics + > >mathematics department, most of us use either Linux, FreeSD, and other > >flavors of UNICES for non i386 machines. > > I am sure we are all happy for you. Please note that I will continue > to use freebsd for what I want to use it for, and I will not stop you > from using it for what you want to use it for. You are just trying > to start up a debate over personal preferences. There is no need to > debate anything. This thread is not appropriate for this mailing list. > > -- > Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu > Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 21: 8:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from a.mx.clublinux.org (h216-170-019-162.adsl.navix.net [216.170.19.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E095C37B403 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:08:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@clublinux.org) Received: (qmail 17110 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 03:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO clublinux.org) (192.168.33.33) by mail.internal with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 03:07:23 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5E477A.3C38D7D@clublinux.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:13:46 -0500 From: steve X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.6 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: If you think people use FreeBSD for server, you must've beenoutta school for long long time! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I am sure we are all happy for you. Please note that I will continue > to use freebsd for what I want to use it for, and I will not stop you > from using it for what you want to use it for. You are just trying > to start up a debate over personal preferences. There is no need to > debate anything. This thread is not appropriate for this mailing list. > Well said. *************** T H E E N D ************************ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 21:25: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dominion.symmetric.net (troll.symmetric.net [207.229.168.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E40D37B405 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:24:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from presence@symmetric.net) Received: from numeric (numeric.crow.net [10.0.0.10]) by dominion.symmetric.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B50819308; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:25:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009001c114c1$b891efa0$0a00000a@crow.net> From: "Crow Leader" To: "Jason DiCioccio" , "Sung Nae Cho" Cc: References: <030801c114ba$96287170$bf960340@jason8bo2vxz5e> Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:24:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I would be excited to have two ways to install and maintain a FreeBSD system. Read below. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason DiCioccio" To: "Rev. K Kanno" ; "Sung Nae Cho" Cc: I don't think there are enough resources to do something like this. How can > someone predict what support you want in your servers? If you want your own I don't know anybody who runs a server with sound cards, APM sleep mode, and all those worthless USB devices, expermental filesystems that have docs that only say they are broken and brooktree video capture cards. > kernel, build it yourself.. Or build your own kernel/config file and use it > across all the servers assuming they're similar. I don't think the FreeBSD > team should have to have 10 different maintained kernel builds just to I see no need for 10. Just 2. One for maintaining a SERVER (support for systemboard, disks, networking and console) and one for a WORKSTATION with all the silly frills that make a system cluttery and possibly fun to play with for those who like to test out new hardware. When will FreeBSD become completely bloated with "features" like in windows that are really hard to delete or just not have because it is assumed that everybody wants them? As an example it is probably safe to say that most FreeBSD installations are not on laptops and nobody needs all those related files in /etc/ and who knows elsewhere. Why would they even be there to start with? if I submitted 300 drivers for entertaining but nonessential devices would they make their way into the distribution? Would everybody have to have /etc/EthenetOverSundials.conf and USBSuperArcnet.conf on their system just because it exists? KEN > satisfy everyone. > > Cheers, > -JD- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rev. K Kanno" > To: "Sung Nae Cho" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:51 PM > Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! > > > > On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Sung Nae Cho wrote: > > > > I disagree. I'd like to know there is always a stable platform to run > server > > duties on for the intel platform. If I want a pretty desktop with 3 > trillion > > apps, I will run windows. > > > > This is just me, but I'm really sick of commenting out all the trash for > > dekstops from my kernel config files. I don't give a damn about human > > interface devices, USB and nonsense like that. Maybe there could be two > > versions of FreeBSD. A "stripped down" version for servers and maybe some > port > > or installation option that just adds the toys and nonsense desktop people > > seem to want for a workstation. > > > > Just an opinion. > > > > KEN > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > This is regarding that recent performance issue (Linux, Windows, > FreeBSD, > > > Solaris). I don't care what you (people who are so stuck up with > > > stability) think, I use FreeBSD as a desktop and I need performance! I > > > have "async" otpion turned on in my /etc/fstab, I'm glad the FreeBSD by > > > default enables the write cache for my hard disks. Come on, wake up! > > > FreeBSD is no longer for some dorky server administrator who does > nothing > > > but chewing on snickers bar sitting in corner of some room full of racks > > > and HDD's. And, I bet most people use FreeBSD for desktop use, not as > > > server use! I've shut down the computer by plugging the power plug out > > > just because I was upset or not in the moeed and all it cost me was some > > > extra time booting due to file system check. I've never had any of my > > > files, emails or anything like that being lost due to cold shutting my > > > computer. I'm sick of this server administrators always crying for > > > stability. If FreeBSD won't take use of all the capabilities offered in > > > todays hard drives, I won't be using it! I'll switch right over to > Linux. > > > Come on, desktop is the king and FreeBSD should focus itself evolving in > > > desktop market. If you gonna whine about stability, go back to FreeBSD > > > 2.x, 3.x. For me, FreeBSD 4.x, 5.x should be more desktop oriented, and > > > desktops need performance!!!!! > > > > > > > > > Sung N. Cho > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== > > The Exploding Fruit Challenge! Rev. K. Kanno > > > > www.energybeam.com blowup-fruit@energybeam.com > > ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== ==== > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 21:36:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quasar.phys.vt.edu (quasar.phys.vt.edu [128.173.176.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86B337B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:36:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu) Received: from localhost (sucho2@localhost) by quasar.phys.vt.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6P4a6U20093 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:36:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:36:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Sung Nae Cho To: Subject: Bullshit! Mac OS X is not FreeBSD. Get real please. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Okay, don't give me crap like I'm troll or anything stupid for I'm FreeBSD user. But, I think there is a double standards in BSD community. First of all, MAC OS X is not FreeBSD. How can it be a FreeBSD if it has totally different core except that it has a FreeBSD user land commands? Or, have I heard this wrong? 2nd, I personally don't see the difference between APPLE and MICROSOFT. At least Microsoft doesn't pretend to be friends with Open Sourced Community. APPLE is bullshit company. It builds an OS based on Open Source and they're making it a proprietary. That's bullshit! 3rd, OS X is a one crappy OS I've ever seen! Infact, most APPLE users have gone back to OS 9 because OS X requires them to buy all the softwares (Office suites...etc) built for OS X since the emulation is terrible and utterally useless (TOO DAMN SLOW!). It's also bullshit that FreeBSD community cannot throw away it's pride and accept the defeat and try to learn from it. We all heard that in recent benchmark, both Linux 2.4 and Windows 2000 kick FreeBSD butt in performance. FreeBSDers complained so they did the test again with all the optimizations enabled and FreeBSD still couldn't beat both Windows 2000 and Linux 2.4 (not to mention, Linux 2.4 and Win 2000 didn't even receive special treat for getting tuned.) Come one people! Let's cut the bull shit and get real. I'm sick of this idiots just saying this and that without actually contributing anything to FreeBSD development. I hope FreeBSD 5.x does a milestone just like Linux 2.4 and Windows 2000 did. Also, don't give me the crap like Windows 2000 and Linux are unstable! I've tried em and Windows 2000 is a totally different beast than any previous Windows (2000 is stable as a rock!). So is Linux. Linux 2.4 is even stabler! Why then do I use FreeBSD? I use FreeBSD not because it's better than Linux or Windows 2000, not because it has better hardware support than Linux or Windows, but just because I like the consistent layout of the file structures. Redhat seems to move around files on every release. Also, ports collections seem to be handy when I'm not in mood to compile manually (not that I can't do it in Linux). I wish FreeBSD 5.x finally get support for my new Kensington USB (OPTICAL) mouse on my Laptop! I don't know about FreeBSD hardware support on desktops, but laptop hardware support is simply not impressive! I'm not about to go back to wheel based mouse (got tired of cleaning wheels). I hope this doesn't offend anyone. (Just got tired of listening to crap!) Sung N. Cho To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 21:39:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.itga.com.au (ns.itga.com.au [202.53.40.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217CB37B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:39:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by ns.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08423 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:39:32 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by lightning.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20292; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:38:17 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200107250438.OAA20292@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 05/15/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 From: Gregory Bond To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bullshit! Mac OS X is not FreeBSD. Get real please. In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:36:06 -0400. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:38:17 +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Do not feed the troll. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22: 0:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mostgraveconcern.com (mostgraveconcern.com [216.82.145.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4869F37B405 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:00:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@mostgraveconcern.com) Received: from dan (dan.mostgraveconcern.com [10.20.155.5]) by mostgraveconcern.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id f6P50dA00718 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:00:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@mostgraveconcern.com) Message-ID: <025001c114c6$bfb0ce00$059b140a@dan> From: "Dan O'Connor" To: References: <200107250438.OAA20292@lightning.itga.com.au> Subject: Sung Nae Cho and his continued trolling... Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:00:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG People, can we all please stop replying to this Sung Nae Cho guy? I've already added Mr. Cho to my twit filter, but with everyone replying to his posts, it's filling my inbox faster than I can delete stuff.... Thanks, everyone, --Dan -- Dan O'Connor On Matters of Most Grave Concern http://www.mostgraveconcern.com FreeBSD Cheat Sheets http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22: 1: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E2B37B403 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:00:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6P50Jt07899; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:00:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bullshit! Mac OS X is not FreeBSD. Get real please. In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010724220019S.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:00:19 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 85 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, sorry, but play time is over and it's time for you to take your pill and return to your room for the night. These nice men will help you on with your special jacket so you don't hurt yourself again, OK? You hear me Sung? Yes, I know about the voices telling you to post these messages, I do, but we've been over all that BEFORE Sung! Bad Sung! You know what happens when you post bad thoughts to the mailing lists, remember? It's in the handbook charters we read every morning when we get up, isn't it Sung? Can you tell me what those rules are? Come on Sung, we know those rules don't we? Yes we do, we read them in the handbook, can we say them now? Very good, let's say them together: "The topic of any posting should adhere to the basic charter of the list it is posted to, e.g. if the list is about technical issues then your posting should contain technical discussion. Ongoing irrelevant chatter or flaming only detracts from the value of the mailing list for everyone on it and will not be tolerated." Now Sung, you know these rules and you know what the nice men have to do when you don't follow them, don't you? Yes, they have to insist. We don't like it when they have to insist, do we Sung? No we don't. We don't like it at all. We don't let you post to the mailing lists anymore when that happens, do we Sung? That's right. We have to ban Sung. Be a good Sung and stay away from the mailing lists when the voices are telling you bad things, just like we told you, OK Sung? The nice men don't want to have to insist. Good Sung! The nice men will take you to your room now, go with them. That's right. Bye bye Sung! [Whew! Thank god for Lithium and sendmail access lists, that's all I've got to say!] From: Sung Nae Cho Subject: Bullshit! Mac OS X is not FreeBSD. Get real please. Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:36:06 -0400 (EDT) > Okay, don't give me crap like I'm troll or anything stupid for I'm FreeBSD > user. But, I think there is a double standards in BSD community. First > of all, MAC OS X is not FreeBSD. How can it be a FreeBSD if it has > totally different core except that it has a FreeBSD user land commands? > Or, have I heard this wrong? 2nd, I personally don't see the difference > between APPLE and MICROSOFT. At least Microsoft doesn't pretend to be > friends with Open Sourced Community. APPLE is bullshit company. It > builds an OS based on Open Source and they're making it a proprietary. > That's bullshit! 3rd, OS X is a one crappy OS I've ever seen! Infact, > most APPLE users have gone back to OS 9 because OS X requires them to buy > all the softwares (Office suites...etc) built for OS X since the emulation > is terrible and utterally useless (TOO DAMN SLOW!). > > It's also bullshit that FreeBSD community cannot throw away it's pride and > accept the defeat and try to learn from it. We all heard that in recent > benchmark, both Linux 2.4 and Windows 2000 kick FreeBSD butt in > performance. FreeBSDers complained so they did the test again with all > the optimizations enabled and FreeBSD still couldn't beat both Windows > 2000 and Linux 2.4 (not to mention, Linux 2.4 and Win 2000 didn't even > receive special treat for getting tuned.) Come one people! Let's cut the > bull shit and get real. I'm sick of this idiots just saying this and that > without actually contributing anything to FreeBSD development. I hope > FreeBSD 5.x does a milestone just like Linux 2.4 and Windows 2000 did. > Also, don't give me the crap like Windows 2000 and Linux are unstable! > I've tried em and Windows 2000 is a totally different beast than any > previous Windows (2000 is stable as a rock!). So is Linux. Linux 2.4 is > even stabler! > > Why then do I use FreeBSD? I use FreeBSD not because it's better than > Linux or Windows 2000, not because it has better hardware support than > Linux or Windows, but just because I like the consistent layout of the > file structures. Redhat seems to move around files on every release. > Also, ports collections seem to be handy when I'm not in mood to compile > manually (not that I can't do it in Linux). I wish FreeBSD 5.x finally > get support for my new Kensington USB (OPTICAL) mouse on my Laptop! I > don't know about FreeBSD hardware support on desktops, but laptop hardware > support is simply not impressive! I'm not about to go back to wheel based mouse > (got tired of cleaning wheels). > > I hope this doesn't offend anyone. (Just got tired of listening to crap!) > > Sung N. Cho > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22: 2:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1838537B403 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:02:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from coffee@blarg.net) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE970BCF9; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:02:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paco.blarg.net (trilluser@paco.fatburrito.com [206.124.139.210]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12261; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:02:07 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724220424.00af55d8@mail.blarg.net> X-Sender: coffee@mail.blarg.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:04:51 -0700 To: "Dan O'Connor" , From: "Derek C." Subject: Re: Sung Nae Cho and his continued trolling... In-Reply-To: <025001c114c6$bfb0ce00$059b140a@dan> References: <200107250438.OAA20292@lightning.itga.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Roger that. At 10:00 PM 7/24/2001, Dan O'Connor wrote: >People, can we all please stop replying to this Sung Nae Cho guy? > >I've already added Mr. Cho to my twit filter, but with everyone replying >to his posts, it's filling my inbox faster than I can delete stuff.... > >Thanks, everyone, > >--Dan > >-- >Dan O'Connor >On Matters of Most Grave Concern > http://www.mostgraveconcern.com >FreeBSD Cheat Sheets > http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/ > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22: 5:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from palrel2.hp.com (palrel2.hp.com [156.153.255.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663B137B408 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:05:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from philippe@le-berre.com) Received: from ABERWRACH3.le-berre.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by palrel2.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7305F1220; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724220242.02f44798@pop.le-berre.com> X-Sender: philippe.le.berre/le-berre.com@pop.le-berre.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:05:27 -0700 To: James Satterfield , "'stable@freebsd.org'" From: Philippe Le Berre Subject: Re: cvsup via socks5 In-Reply-To: <720AE932C238D411B4D100C04F10DA6B0222BA4D@exchange.epr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You need to have cvsup installed from the port collection such as to have a dynamically linked version and therefore socks-friendly. -philippe At 7/24/2001 06:37 PM -0700, James Satterfield wrote: >I'm having a very difficult time getting cvsup to run via socks5. I'm using >socks5 from to ports for a socks client. >Here's a little snippit of what's happening. > >jester# telnet cvsup2.freebsd.org 5999 >Trying 205.149.189.91... >telnet: connect to address 205.149.189.91: Connection refused # >Our firewall doesn't allow this port >telnet: Unable to connect to remote host >jester# runsocks telnet cvsup2.freebsd.org 5999 # >Our socks proxy does allow it. >Trying 0.0.0.1... ># Weird huh? This appears to be a problem with runsocks and I think that's >the culprit. >Connected to cvsup2.freebsd.org. >Escape character is '^]'. >OK 16 1 REL_16_1 CVSup server ready # >Taadaa! >^] >telnet> quit >Connection closed. >jester# runsocks cvsup -L 2 ports-supfile >Parsing supfile "ports-supfile" >Connecting to cvsup2.FreeBSD.org >Cannot connect to cvsup2.FreeBSD.org: Connection refused # >Doh! >Will retry at 18:38:52 > > >Makes it a little difficult to track stable. >Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated. >By the way, if there is a more apropriate mailing list for this, please let >me know. > >James. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22: 5:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web20108.mail.yahoo.com (web20108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 450D837B40B for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:05:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from getzz1@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010725050538.85443.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.221.138.130] by web20108.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:05:38 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:05:38 -0700 (PDT) From: klein brock Subject: cvsup To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i'm currently running freeBSD4.3-STABLE. i'd like to update the source monthly. do i have to make buildworld, installworld and reboot my server ? Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22: 9:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF7D37B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:09:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trini0@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (ool-18be012f.dyn.optonline.net [24.190.1.47]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with ESMTP id <0GH000BHYJNDTF@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:09:17 -0400 From: Gerard Samuel Subject: Re: Is KDE 2.x.x Media Player (Noatun) working under FreeBSD? To: Sung Nae Cho Cc: stable Message-id: <3B5E547D.6010205@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010719 References: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Its a kde/freebsd thing, and its known to the guys over at kde. If I remember correctly, it has something to do with kdelibs, and I believe that in the next version of kde would fix this. Hope they get it done, I need it too.... :) Sung Nae Cho wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone one figure out how to get the media player in KDE 2.1.1 > (Noatun) to work in FreeBSD? I don't know whether it's an incompatibility > between KDE and FreeBSD or just a misconfiguration. > > > Sung N. Cho > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22: 9:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F2037B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:09:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from coffee@blarg.net) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3843BBD19; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:09:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paco.blarg.net (trilluser@paco.fatburrito.com [206.124.139.210]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13242; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:09:37 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724221005.02ec5598@mail.blarg.net> X-Sender: coffee@mail.blarg.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:12:21 -0700 To: klein brock , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Derek C." Subject: Re: cvsup In-Reply-To: <20010725050538.85443.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You do not *have* to, but it couldn't hurt anything (except uptime)... The practice I am beginning to follow (and what seems to be the most common practice) is: a) cvsup weekly b) check the -stable list daily for any interesting new merges (AKA MFC's) c) if I see an new security fixes, or anything that sounds like it would affect my system in a positive manner, build world. Derek At 10:05 PM 7/24/2001, klein brock wrote: >i'm currently running freeBSD4.3-STABLE. > >i'd like to update the source monthly. > >do i have to make buildworld, installworld and reboot >my server ? > >Thanks. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22:11:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-104-149.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.104.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6450737B405 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:11:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3A95B67230; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:11:40 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: klein brock Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvsup Message-ID: <20010724221140.A43654@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20010725050538.85443.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010725050538.85443.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com>; from getzz1@yahoo.com on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 10:05:38PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 10:05:38PM -0700, klein brock wrote: >=20 > i'm currently running freeBSD4.3-STABLE. >=20 > i'd like to update the source monthly. >=20 > do i have to make buildworld, installworld and reboot > my server ? Well, not if all you want to do is update the source code. If you want to update the binaries compiled from the source, well, um, you have to compile and install world and the new kernel, and run the new kernel, so yes. :-) Kris --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7XlULWry0BWjoQKURAjKTAKDKXkQ8/lcD6caQL6VtO78pT8IMDACgyWUM PBY3x0BdFyzRUn2n9xu9njI= =SS5p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22:13: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web20109.mail.yahoo.com (web20109.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD3E037B409 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:13:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from getzz1@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010725051300.80330.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.221.138.130] by web20109.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:13:00 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:13:00 -0700 (PDT) From: klein brock Subject: Re: cvsup To: "Derek C." , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724221005.02ec5598@mail.blarg.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi.. newbie need help :) where can i find the idea for number b) check the -stable list daily for any interesting new merges (AKA MFC's) ? after i cvsup, do i have to make buildworld ? or installworld ? or reboot ? Thanks. --- "Derek C." wrote: > You do not *have* to, but it couldn't hurt anything > (except uptime)... > > The practice I am beginning to follow (and what > seems to be the most common > practice) is: > > a) cvsup weekly > b) check the -stable list daily for any interesting > new merges (AKA MFC's) > c) if I see an new security fixes, or anything that > sounds like it would > affect my system in a positive manner, build world. > > Derek > > At 10:05 PM 7/24/2001, klein brock wrote: > > >i'm currently running freeBSD4.3-STABLE. > > > >i'd like to update the source monthly. > > > >do i have to make buildworld, installworld and > reboot > >my server ? > > > >Thanks. > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > with Yahoo! Messenger > >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of > the message > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22:15:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7C337B403 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:15:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from coffee@blarg.net) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CFCBD0B; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paco.blarg.net (trilluser@paco.fatburrito.com [206.124.139.210]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14031; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:15:32 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724221616.02efb5b8@mail.blarg.net> X-Sender: coffee@mail.blarg.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:18:16 -0700 To: klein brock , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Derek C." Subject: Re: cvsup In-Reply-To: <20010725051300.80330.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724221005.02ec5598@mail.blarg.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The idea for check the -stable list? you're here... this is the -stable list. Just scan the subjects at the very least for anything like a heads up... I'm a newbie myself, so others might be able to help you with what subjects to look for a little better... And you only have to rebuild the world if you want to update some of the binaries whose source was updated by cvsup. Hope that helps. Derek At 10:13 PM 7/24/2001, klein brock wrote: >hi.. newbie need help :) > >where can i find the idea for number b) check the >-stable list daily for any interesting >new merges (AKA MFC's) ? > >after i cvsup, do i have to make buildworld ? or >installworld ? or reboot ? > >Thanks. > > >--- "Derek C." wrote: > > You do not *have* to, but it couldn't hurt anything > > (except uptime)... > > > > The practice I am beginning to follow (and what > > seems to be the most common > > practice) is: > > > > a) cvsup weekly > > b) check the -stable list daily for any interesting > > new merges (AKA MFC's) > > c) if I see an new security fixes, or anything that > > sounds like it would > > affect my system in a positive manner, build world. > > > > Derek > > > > At 10:05 PM 7/24/2001, klein brock wrote: > > > > >i'm currently running freeBSD4.3-STABLE. > > > > > >i'd like to update the source monthly. > > > > > >do i have to make buildworld, installworld and > > reboot > > >my server ? > > > > > >Thanks. > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute > > with Yahoo! Messenger > > >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of > > the message > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger >http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22:17:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quasar.phys.vt.edu (quasar.phys.vt.edu [128.173.176.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990B737B403; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:17:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu) Received: from localhost (sucho2@localhost) by quasar.phys.vt.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6P5Hlc20206; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:17:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:17:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Sung Nae Cho To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: Subject: Okay! Accept my sincerely apology. Didn't see that from handbook. In-Reply-To: <20010724220019S.jkh@freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Okay, I apologize to all FreeBSD users. I wasn't aware of the posting rule in handbook. Once again, my sincerely apology goes to you all. "The topic of any posting should adhere to the basic charter of the list it is posted to, e.g. if the list is about technical issues then your posting should contain technical discussion. Ongoing irrelevant chatter or flaming only detracts from the value of the mailing list for everyone on it and will not be tolerated." Sung N. Cho On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > OK, sorry, but play time is over and it's time for you to take your > pill and return to your room for the night. These nice men will help > you on with your special jacket so you don't hurt yourself again, OK? > You hear me Sung? Yes, I know about the voices telling you to post > these messages, I do, but we've been over all that BEFORE Sung! Bad > Sung! You know what happens when you post bad thoughts to the mailing > lists, remember? It's in the handbook charters we read every morning > when we get up, isn't it Sung? Can you tell me what those rules are? > Come on Sung, we know those rules don't we? Yes we do, we read them > in the handbook, can we say them now? Very good, let's say them > together: > > "The topic of any posting should adhere to the basic charter of the > list it is posted to, e.g. if the list is about technical issues then > your posting should contain technical discussion. Ongoing irrelevant > chatter or flaming only detracts from the value of the mailing list > for everyone on it and will not be tolerated." > > Now Sung, you know these rules and you know what the nice men have to > do when you don't follow them, don't you? Yes, they have to insist. > We don't like it when they have to insist, do we Sung? No we don't. > We don't like it at all. We don't let you post to the mailing lists > anymore when that happens, do we Sung? That's right. We have to ban > Sung. Be a good Sung and stay away from the mailing lists when the > voices are telling you bad things, just like we told you, OK Sung? > The nice men don't want to have to insist. Good Sung! The nice > men will take you to your room now, go with them. That's right. > Bye bye Sung! > > [Whew! Thank god for Lithium and sendmail access lists, that's > all I've got to say!] > > From: Sung Nae Cho > Subject: Bullshit! Mac OS X is not FreeBSD. Get real please. > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:36:06 -0400 (EDT) > > > Okay, don't give me crap like I'm troll or anything stupid for I'm FreeBSD > > user. But, I think there is a double standards in BSD community. First > > of all, MAC OS X is not FreeBSD. How can it be a FreeBSD if it has > > totally different core except that it has a FreeBSD user land commands? > > Or, have I heard this wrong? 2nd, I personally don't see the difference > > between APPLE and MICROSOFT. At least Microsoft doesn't pretend to be > > friends with Open Sourced Community. APPLE is bullshit company. It > > builds an OS based on Open Source and they're making it a proprietary. > > That's bullshit! 3rd, OS X is a one crappy OS I've ever seen! Infact, > > most APPLE users have gone back to OS 9 because OS X requires them to buy > > all the softwares (Office suites...etc) built for OS X since the emulation > > is terrible and utterally useless (TOO DAMN SLOW!). > > > > It's also bullshit that FreeBSD community cannot throw away it's pride and > > accept the defeat and try to learn from it. We all heard that in recent > > benchmark, both Linux 2.4 and Windows 2000 kick FreeBSD butt in > > performance. FreeBSDers complained so they did the test again with all > > the optimizations enabled and FreeBSD still couldn't beat both Windows > > 2000 and Linux 2.4 (not to mention, Linux 2.4 and Win 2000 didn't even > > receive special treat for getting tuned.) Come one people! Let's cut the > > bull shit and get real. I'm sick of this idiots just saying this and that > > without actually contributing anything to FreeBSD development. I hope > > FreeBSD 5.x does a milestone just like Linux 2.4 and Windows 2000 did. > > Also, don't give me the crap like Windows 2000 and Linux are unstable! > > I've tried em and Windows 2000 is a totally different beast than any > > previous Windows (2000 is stable as a rock!). So is Linux. Linux 2.4 is > > even stabler! > > > > Why then do I use FreeBSD? I use FreeBSD not because it's better than > > Linux or Windows 2000, not because it has better hardware support than > > Linux or Windows, but just because I like the consistent layout of the > > file structures. Redhat seems to move around files on every release. > > Also, ports collections seem to be handy when I'm not in mood to compile > > manually (not that I can't do it in Linux). I wish FreeBSD 5.x finally > > get support for my new Kensington USB (OPTICAL) mouse on my Laptop! I > > don't know about FreeBSD hardware support on desktops, but laptop hardware > > support is simply not impressive! I'm not about to go back to wheel based mouse > > (got tired of cleaning wheels). > > > > I hope this doesn't offend anyone. (Just got tired of listening to crap!) > > > > Sung N. Cho > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22:23:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F2137B403; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:23:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from coffee@blarg.net) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF695BD18; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paco.blarg.net (trilluser@paco.fatburrito.com [206.124.139.210]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15032; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:23:36 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724222221.02edfe80@mail.blarg.net> X-Sender: coffee@mail.blarg.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:26:19 -0700 To: Sung Nae Cho , Jordan Hubbard From: "Derek C." Subject: Re: Okay! Accept my sincerely apology. Didn't see that from handbook. Cc: In-Reply-To: References: <20010724220019S.jkh@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thank you Sung. We are happy to have you here, so long as you keep the postings on topic, and polite. If you are ever frustrated and feel the need to rant, perhaps you should start a Yahoo! group called freebsd-rant (I'll join it if you do)... Maybe, one day, the kind folks here at FreeBSD.org will become hip to the need for such a forum, and open one, but until then, we appreciate you keeping your posts on topic and friendly. Derek At 10:17 PM 7/24/2001, Sung Nae Cho wrote: >Okay, > >I apologize to all FreeBSD users. I wasn't aware of the posting rule in >handbook. Once again, my sincerely apology goes to you all. > >"The topic of any posting should adhere to the basic charter of the >list it is posted to, e.g. if the list is about technical issues then >your posting should contain technical discussion. Ongoing irrelevant >chatter or flaming only detracts from the value of the mailing list >for everyone on it and will not be tolerated." > > >Sung N. Cho > > > > >On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > OK, sorry, but play time is over and it's time for you to take your > > pill and return to your room for the night. These nice men will help > > you on with your special jacket so you don't hurt yourself again, OK? > > You hear me Sung? Yes, I know about the voices telling you to post > > these messages, I do, but we've been over all that BEFORE Sung! Bad > > Sung! You know what happens when you post bad thoughts to the mailing > > lists, remember? It's in the handbook charters we read every morning > > when we get up, isn't it Sung? Can you tell me what those rules are? > > Come on Sung, we know those rules don't we? Yes we do, we read them > > in the handbook, can we say them now? Very good, let's say them > > together: > > > > "The topic of any posting should adhere to the basic charter of the > > list it is posted to, e.g. if the list is about technical issues then > > your posting should contain technical discussion. Ongoing irrelevant > > chatter or flaming only detracts from the value of the mailing list > > for everyone on it and will not be tolerated." > > > > Now Sung, you know these rules and you know what the nice men have to > > do when you don't follow them, don't you? Yes, they have to insist. > > We don't like it when they have to insist, do we Sung? No we don't. > > We don't like it at all. We don't let you post to the mailing lists > > anymore when that happens, do we Sung? That's right. We have to ban > > Sung. Be a good Sung and stay away from the mailing lists when the > > voices are telling you bad things, just like we told you, OK Sung? > > The nice men don't want to have to insist. Good Sung! The nice > > men will take you to your room now, go with them. That's right. > > Bye bye Sung! > > > > [Whew! Thank god for Lithium and sendmail access lists, that's > > all I've got to say!] > > > > From: Sung Nae Cho > > Subject: Bullshit! Mac OS X is not FreeBSD. Get real please. > > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:36:06 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > Okay, don't give me crap like I'm troll or anything stupid for I'm > FreeBSD > > > user. But, I think there is a double standards in BSD community. First > > > of all, MAC OS X is not FreeBSD. How can it be a FreeBSD if it has > > > totally different core except that it has a FreeBSD user land commands? > > > Or, have I heard this wrong? 2nd, I personally don't see the difference > > > between APPLE and MICROSOFT. At least Microsoft doesn't pretend to be > > > friends with Open Sourced Community. APPLE is bullshit company. It > > > builds an OS based on Open Source and they're making it a proprietary. > > > That's bullshit! 3rd, OS X is a one crappy OS I've ever seen! Infact, > > > most APPLE users have gone back to OS 9 because OS X requires them to buy > > > all the softwares (Office suites...etc) built for OS X since the > emulation > > > is terrible and utterally useless (TOO DAMN SLOW!). > > > > > > It's also bullshit that FreeBSD community cannot throw away it's > pride and > > > accept the defeat and try to learn from it. We all heard that in recent > > > benchmark, both Linux 2.4 and Windows 2000 kick FreeBSD butt in > > > performance. FreeBSDers complained so they did the test again with all > > > the optimizations enabled and FreeBSD still couldn't beat both Windows > > > 2000 and Linux 2.4 (not to mention, Linux 2.4 and Win 2000 didn't even > > > receive special treat for getting tuned.) Come one people! Let's > cut the > > > bull shit and get real. I'm sick of this idiots just saying this and > that > > > without actually contributing anything to FreeBSD development. I hope > > > FreeBSD 5.x does a milestone just like Linux 2.4 and Windows 2000 did. > > > Also, don't give me the crap like Windows 2000 and Linux are unstable! > > > I've tried em and Windows 2000 is a totally different beast than any > > > previous Windows (2000 is stable as a rock!). So is Linux. Linux 2.4 is > > > even stabler! > > > > > > Why then do I use FreeBSD? I use FreeBSD not because it's better than > > > Linux or Windows 2000, not because it has better hardware support than > > > Linux or Windows, but just because I like the consistent layout of the > > > file structures. Redhat seems to move around files on every release. > > > Also, ports collections seem to be handy when I'm not in mood to compile > > > manually (not that I can't do it in Linux). I wish FreeBSD 5.x finally > > > get support for my new Kensington USB (OPTICAL) mouse on my Laptop! I > > > don't know about FreeBSD hardware support on desktops, but laptop > hardware > > > support is simply not impressive! I'm not about to go back to wheel > based mouse > > > (got tired of cleaning wheels). > > > > > > I hope this doesn't offend anyone. (Just got tired of listening to crap!) > > > > > > Sung N. Cho > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22:24:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.speakeasy.net (mail5.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E28A737B40A for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:24:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 34043 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 05:24:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Jul 2001 05:24:39 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:24:38 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Virginia Tech != Sung Hae Cho Cc: Sung Nae Cho Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey all you -stable users out there. Unsubscribe from a list and within a few months all the trolls start to come out. Anyways, I just wanted to assure all you FreeBSD users out there that Virginia Tech is not a lame school and that Sung Nae Cho is (thankfully) not representative of most of the people I met there at least. We have 3 excellent committers at the moment who are either alumni or current students from Tech: David O`Brien (CpE), Mike Heffner (CS) and myself (CS + Math) and it is a good school. Just had to stand up and protect my Alma Mater. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22:29:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-27-141-144.mmcable.com [24.27.141.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6500037B406 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:29:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 41075 invoked by uid 100); 25 Jul 2001 05:29:27 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15198.22839.76200.831778@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:29:27 -0500 To: "Derek C." Cc: Sung Nae Cho , Jordan Hubbard , Subject: Re: Okay! Accept my sincerely apology. Didn't see that from handbook. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724222221.02edfe80@mail.blarg.net> References: <20010724220019S.jkh@freebsd.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20010724222221.02edfe80@mail.blarg.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Derek C. types: > Thank you Sung. We are happy to have you here, so long as you keep the > postings on topic, and polite. If you are ever frustrated and feel the need > to rant, perhaps you should start a Yahoo! group called freebsd-rant (I'll > join it if you do)... Maybe, one day, the kind folks here at FreeBSD.org > will become hip to the need for such a forum, and open one, but until then, > we appreciate you keeping your posts on topic and friendly. Isn't that what -advocacy is all about? I don't go there, but from the descriptions it sounds like his posting would have been appropriate. If not, maybe we need a freebsd-soapbox list. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22:31:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47FC537B405; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:31:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from coffee@blarg.net) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED980BD11; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paco.blarg.net (trilluser@paco.fatburrito.com [206.124.139.210]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15861; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:31:34 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724223319.02f1bcd8@mail.blarg.net> X-Sender: coffee@mail.blarg.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:34:18 -0700 To: Mike Meyer From: "Derek C." Subject: Re: Okay! Accept my sincerely apology. Didn't see that from handbook. Cc: Sung Nae Cho , Jordan Hubbard , In-Reply-To: <15198.22839.76200.831778@guru.mired.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724222221.02edfe80@mail.blarg.net> <20010724220019S.jkh@freebsd.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20010724222221.02edfe80@mail.blarg.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think advocacy is for pro-freebsd rants... From the mailing lists page: "freebsd-advocacy FreeBSD Evangelism" Derek At 10:29 PM 7/24/2001, Mike Meyer wrote: >Derek C. types: > > Thank you Sung. We are happy to have you here, so long as you keep the > > postings on topic, and polite. If you are ever frustrated and feel the > need > > to rant, perhaps you should start a Yahoo! group called freebsd-rant (I'll > > join it if you do)... Maybe, one day, the kind folks here at FreeBSD.org > > will become hip to the need for such a forum, and open one, but until > then, > > we appreciate you keeping your posts on topic and friendly. > >Isn't that what -advocacy is all about? I don't go there, but from the >descriptions it sounds like his posting would have been appropriate. > >If not, maybe we need a freebsd-soapbox list. > > -- >Mike Meyer http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ >Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22:32:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-27-141-144.mmcable.com [24.27.141.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BEF6837B405 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:32:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 41367 invoked by uid 100); 25 Jul 2001 05:32:32 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15198.23024.792750.787590@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:32:32 -0500 To: "Derek C." Cc: Mike Meyer , Sung Nae Cho , Jordan Hubbard , Subject: Re: Okay! Accept my sincerely apology. Didn't see that from handbook. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724223319.02f1bcd8@mail.blarg.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724222221.02edfe80@mail.blarg.net> <20010724220019S.jkh@freebsd.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20010724223319.02f1bcd8@mail.blarg.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Derek C. types: > I think advocacy is for pro-freebsd rants... From the mailing lists page: > > "freebsd-advocacy FreeBSD Evangelism" Well, if there aren't people disagreeing with the rants, what's the point? http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22:34:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A9B37B406; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:34:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from coffee@blarg.net) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A9ABD10; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from paco.blarg.net (trilluser@paco.fatburrito.com [206.124.139.210]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16179; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:34:18 -0700 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724223614.02ec6278@mail.blarg.net> X-Sender: coffee@mail.blarg.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:37:02 -0700 To: Mike Meyer From: "Derek C." Subject: Re: Okay! Accept my sincerely apology. Didn't see that from handbook. Cc: Mike Meyer , Sung Nae Cho , Jordan Hubbard , In-Reply-To: <15198.23024.792750.787590@guru.mired.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724223319.02f1bcd8@mail.blarg.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20010724222221.02edfe80@mail.blarg.net> <20010724220019S.jkh@freebsd.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20010724223319.02f1bcd8@mail.blarg.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lol... mebbe they should start a freebsd-lists list, for discussion of the uses of the various lists. D At 10:32 PM 7/24/2001, Mike Meyer wrote: >Derek C. types: > > I think advocacy is for pro-freebsd rants... From the mailing lists page: > > > > "freebsd-advocacy FreeBSD Evangelism" > >Well, if there aren't people disagreeing with the rants, what's the point? > > >-- >Mike Meyer http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ >Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jul 24 22:52:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.wanadoo.nl (smtp0.wanadoo.nl [194.134.193.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0991637B401; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:52:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steveo@eircom.net) Received: from ams-gw.sohara.org (p1221.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.203.202]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f6P5q2a17508; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:52:02 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:51:58 +0200 From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: Wilko Bulte Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@adept.org, jandrese@mitre.org, geniusj@bluenugget.net, mike@sentex.net, sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu, mwm@mired.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Regarding hw.ata.wc="1"...... Message-Id: <20010725075158.0e5df923.steveo@eircom.net> In-Reply-To: <20010724220400.A1558@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <3B5D94E7.4680ACEF@mitre.org> <20010724093512W.jkh@freebsd.org> <20010724204131.355a3ae6.steveo@eircom.net> <20010724220400.A1558@freebie.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.99cvs3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-unknown-freebsdelf4.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:04:00 +0200 Wilko Bulte wrote: WB> > favour of a complete spare system and use a software mirror (or load WB> > duplication) to keep it available for a hot swap. One benefit of this approach WB> > is that the hardware is on *much* shorter lead times this way because it's all WB> > off the shelf and alternatives are feasible. WB> WB> But lots more downtime if you are unlucky. Like you said, it all depends on You only get downtime if you lose *both* systems in the time it takes to fix a breakage. Higher levels of redundancy are of course trivial. WB> > There's more than one way to skin a cat. WB> WB> You should not talk about skinning cats in Jordan's presence. Ooops, sorry Jordan. ... Two replies in one this is OT after all ... MM> one system crashing. What's in the intersection are things that shut MM> down the power to the active machine but not the hot spare, which are MM> normally pretty rare. Parallel power sources will make them more MM> common, but that's a more expensive proposition than just keeping a Two small UPSs is not a major expense, and will ensure enough PSU reliability that you don't lose *both* machines without at least one completing a shutdown unless you get multiple UPS failures. If there are two phases in the building use them to reduce the probability of simultaneous mains failure too. -- Directable Mirrors - A Better Way To Focus The Sun http://www.best.com/~sohara To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 0: 7:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDFC37B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:07:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaltorak@quake.com.au) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AB6169.63.5724aadf) with ESMTP id zsdcaaaa for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:06:43 +1000 Message-ID: <3B5E70EC.2855F1CB@quake.com.au> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:10:36 +1000 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! References: <030801c114ba$96287170$bf960340@jason8bo2vxz5e> <009001c114c1$b891efa0$0a00000a@crow.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I hate feeding trolls and such (hell I got 200 messages from the feeding frenzy), but I dont really see what the problem is? FreeBSD works great as a desktop O/S!? Sure you have to tweek and tune it to be a good server or a good desktop, but who actualy expects an O/S to do exactly what you want "out of the box" without having to tweek it for that job? For desktop we have all these usb things and stuff, I mean what more do you want? Examples of what exactly is wrong would probably help, but since this is just a great big troll I guess it has no base in reality... FreeBSD is about speed AND stability... What the point in being lightning fast if you crash every 5mins? From all my experiances FreeBSD is much faster than windows as a desktop... For those that say there should be a new sysinstall option, its allready there! You have to choice to install X or not, so there is your desktop or server choice... The base install is designed to work with a wide varitiy of hardware, you are SUPPOSED to custom build your kernel and config files after an install... Maybe you would rather the base install only works on one hardware type and you have to customise the installation program before an install? Ok well thats all Im going to say.. And this is the last troll I feed for at least another 6 months :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 0:36: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DE737B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:36:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ciscogeek@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.56.15.120]) by femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010725073600.ZQDU14055.femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com>; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:36:00 -0700 Message-ID: <3B5E76E0.DE313161@home.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:36:00 -0700 From: Janet Sullivan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joao Pedras Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel pccard (xe driver) not working! References: <35410000.995827413@mobinho.tafkap.priv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just upgraded my laptop to a 07/24 version of -stable from one about a month old, and my xe is still working fine. Not a solution to your problem, I know, just an FYI. Joao Pedras wrote: > > Hello there > > Intel etherexpress 100 pcmcia (xe driver) is NOT working on -stable for 2 > weeks. > > Did I miss something ? > > Tkx > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 0:38:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2FB37B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:38:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA02391; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:38:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:38:07 -0700 From: "Chad R. Larson" To: Sung Nae Cho Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bullshit! Mac OS X is not FreeBSD. Get real please. Message-ID: <20010725003807.B2319@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:36:06AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:36:06AM -0400, Sung Nae Cho wrote: >I'm sick of this idiots just saying this and that without actually >I'm contributing anything to FreeBSD development. What has been your contribution thus far? > I've tried em and Windows 2000 is a totally different beast than any > previous Windows (2000 is stable as a rock!). My Windows 2000 Professional gave me the "blue screen of death" three times today. Each time in NDIS.SYS, for what it's worth. When do you suppose was the last time any of my FreeBSD boxes panic'd? Hint: I don't know. > I hope this doesn't offend anyone. (Just got tired of > listening to crap!) It seems your mission is specifically to offend people. You've been added to my kill list. Have a nice day. > Sung N. Cho -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 1: 3:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513FD37B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:03:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaltorak@quake.com.au) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AB6169.63.5724aadf) with ESMTP id etdcaaaa for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:02:39 +1000 Message-ID: <3B5E7E09.45AF3AD7@quake.com.au> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:06:33 +1000 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: Sung Nae Cho , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bullshit! Mac OS X is not FreeBSD. Get real please. References: <20010725003807.B2319@freeway.dcfinc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Chad R. Larson" wrote: > > > I've tried em and Windows 2000 is a totally different beast than any > > previous Windows (2000 is stable as a rock!). > > My Windows 2000 Professional gave me the "blue screen of death" > three times today. Each time in NDIS.SYS, for what it's worth. For what its worth Iv had win2000 pro lock hard several times while trying to just add one of those dfs things to ad... Needless to say this not a very demanding task for the system, and its meant to be one of those "great new features" that makes 2k so much better than NT... I dont call a system that locks hard while trying to do a simple administrative task "stable as a rock"... I call it a pile of crap that wasnt worth the box it came in! Have you ever had FreeBSD lockup while creating a sym link or adding a user? Because thats what this is akin to... 2k might be a nice desktop, but it sure doesnt cut it when it comes to being a server, which is what MS say its meant to be... And remember that when you use it as a desktop its full of all its server crap slowing your system down and eating up memory... But since when is the stable list about windows or os X??? Just wondering how any of this relates to STABLE in anyway... Oh hang on this is yet another troll by that sung guy... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 1: 8:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU (morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU [129.78.25.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1889D37B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:08:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tonym@angis.org.au) Received: from angis.org.au (p48570.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.189.186]) by morgan.angis.su.OZ.AU (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15543; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:08:38 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3B5E7E84.13EFFDAD@angis.org.au> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:08:36 +1000 From: Tony Maher Reply-To: tonym@biolateral.com.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tlambert2@mindspring.com Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Sun Grid Engine 5.2.3 Available. Now Open Source References: <20010724150632.60298.qmail@web14701.mail.yahoo.com> <3B5E753D.62F08AAB@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > > Ron Chen wrote: > > > > Sun Grid Engine goes opensource. See SGE home page: > > > > http://www.sun.com/gridware > > I see no source code there, only Solaris and Linux binaries. Click thru the licence agreement and at the very bottom of the page you will find a source tar ball. Plus CVS access is supposed to be available but I haen't tried that yet. I have downloaded, hacked a bit and compiled and semi-installed about 30mins ago. On first appearance it does not have much more functionality than NQS (ports/net/generic-nqs) except maybe some graphical interfaces (which I have only seen in the docs so far). Though the documentation is larger (I don't know about better ;-) I'll try to make a port of it but it may take a while. Like generic-nqs it has funny way of building and installing :-( -- Tony Maher Systems Engineer email: tonym@biolateral.com.au BioLateral Pty Ltd. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 1:19:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA1D37B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:19:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02569; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:19:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:19:12 -0700 From: "Chad R. Larson" To: Sung Nae Cho Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bullshit! Mac OS X is not FreeBSD. Get real please. Message-ID: <20010725011912.D2319@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:36:06AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:36:06AM -0400, Sung Nae Cho wrote: > Okay, don't give me crap like I'm troll or anything stupid for I'm > FreeBSD user. You are stupid. I can't tell if you're a troll, but it sure seems so. No real-world user would take your position. > It's also bullshit that FreeBSD community cannot throw away it's > pride and accept the defeat and try to learn from it. Ummm "defeat" in who's viewpoint? I believe FreeBSD rules in the nitch it has chosen in which to compete. > I'm sick of this idiots just saying this and that > without actually contributing anything to FreeBSD development. What is your contribution, thus far? > I hope this doesn't offend anyone. (Just got tired of listening to crap!) I suspect that said offence is the point of your e-mail. Welcome to my kill list. > Sung N. Cho -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 1:44:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tao.org.uk (genesis.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F46437B40A for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:44:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@tao.org.uk) Received: by tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id 57D9C566; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:18:09 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:18:09 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Antony T Curtis Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ACPI Message-ID: <20010724101808.A1031@tao.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Josef Karthauser , Antony T Curtis , stable@freebsd.org References: <3B5D37C4.3B756AC7@dp.abacus.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B5D37C4.3B756AC7@dp.abacus.co.uk>; from antony@dp.abacus.co.uk on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:54:28AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:54:28AM +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote: >=20 > Any idea when ACPI support might be MFC? >=20 Not for a long time I imagine. There's still a fair bit of development required before it's fully working. Joe --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtdPVAACgkQXVIcjOaxUBbHCACfSkzdjBfWrKD+LR2E8wLKzt8Z vPAAn0HduU89tOagRBdZe01Pz1q0LvnP =MqIP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 1:53:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from webmail.speakeasy.net (webmail.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA6E37B410 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from qingli@speakeasy.net) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by webmail.speakeasy.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA09478 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:53:06 -0700 Message-Id: <200107250853.BAA09478@webmail.speakeasy.net> Subject: #include Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Qing Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mime-version: 1.0 Reply-To: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:53 -0700 X-mailer: Speakeasy Network Webmail v1.0 [J. Beck, G. Morris] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There are C files with header file inclusion like #include #include and such. It appears that these header files really live in "/src/sys/i386/include". what is the relation between "machine/" and the "i386/include"? How are the header file includes resolved ? Thanks. -- Qing To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 2:27:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shaft.techsupport.co.uk (shaft.techsupport.co.uk [212.250.77.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D00837B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:27:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rasputin@shaft.techsupport.co.uk) Received: from rasputin by shaft.techsupport.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15PL0p-000A9U-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:31:27 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:31:27 +0100 From: Rasputin To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: PPP still playing up? Message-ID: <20010725103127.A38916@shaft.techsupport.co.uk> Reply-To: Rasputin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Morning gents Re: the issue with PPP falling over, I found (as others did) that replacing the line: set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 with set ifaddr 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 works Interactive mode is fine, the trouble with this is that PPP requires the 'dummy IPs' for autodial to work..... (reading the logs give the impression that FreeBSD insists on sending the 10.0.0.2 to the PPP server. which doesn't like it.) This happens *after* I've been assigned an IP address and DNS servers. Relevant lines in the log are: Jul 22 18:05:02 shikima ppp[85720]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 10.0.0.2 Jul 22 18:05:02 shikima ppp[85720]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(15) state = Ack-Rcvd Jul 22 18:05:02 shikima ppp[85720]: tun0: IPCP: COMPPROTO[6] 16 VJ slots without slot compression Jul 22 18:05:02 shikima ppp[85720]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigNak(15) state = Ack-Rcvd Jul 22 18:05:02 shikima ppp[85720]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 10.0.0.2 Jul 22 18:05:02 shikima ppp[85720]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Too many IPCP NAKs sent - abandoning negoti ation Jul 22 18:05:02 shikima ppp[85720]: tun0: LCP: Sending ident magic 255362bf text user-ppp 2.3.2 (buil t Jul 22 2001) Jul 22 18:05:02 shikima ppp[85720]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendIdent(5) state = Opened Jul 22 18:05:02 shikima ppp[85720]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: SendTerminateReq(3) state = Ack-Rcvd Jul 22 18:05:02 shikima ppp[85720]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Ack-Rcvd --> Closing Jul 22 18:05:02 shikima ppp[85720]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(16) state = Closing Jul 22 18:05:02 shikima ppp[85720]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: Error: Got ConfigReq while state = Closing Jul 22 18:05:02 shikima ppp[85720]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvTerminateAck(3) state = Closing Jul 22 18:05:02 shikima ppp[85720]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: LayerFinish. This used to look like: October 17 12:15:55 shikima ppp[100]: tun0: IPCP: SECDNS[6] 194.168.8.100 October 17 12:15:55 shikima ppp[100]: tun0: CCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(2) state = Req-Sent October 17 12:15:55 shikima ppp[100]: tun0: CCP: STAC[5] October 17 12:15:55 shikima ppp[100]: tun0: CCP: deflink: SendConfigRej(2) state = Req-Sent October 17 12:15:55 shikima ppp[100]: tun0: CCP: STAC[5] October 17 12:15:55 shikima ppp[100]: tun0: CCP: deflink: RecvConfigAck(18) state = Req-Sent October 17 12:15:55 shikima ppp[100]: tun0: CCP: deflink: State change Req-Sent --> Ack-Rcvd October 17 12:15:55 shikima ppp[100]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigAck(18) state = Ack-Sent October 17 12:15:55 shikima ppp[100]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Ack-Sent --> Opened October 17 12:15:55 shikima ppp[100]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: LayerUp. October 17 12:15:55 shikima ppp[100]: tun0: IPCP: myaddr 62.255.8.150 hisaddr = 10.0.0.2 The ISP is ntlworld (0800 POP) in the UK, and friends of mine who also use free OSes (OpenBSD, Slackware) are having no trouble with it.. I've probably quoted the wrong lines (PPP has always been fire and forget before now), full logs are at: http://shaft.techsupport.co.uk/~rasputin/logs/ (The working one is from October) Is there a PR open for this, does anyone know? Thanks folks. -- "I mean heck, it's even got a graphical configurator, so you don't have to use the command line to hose your system anymore." -- GDM 2.2.2 release notes Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 2:31:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.firstcallgroup.co.uk (dilbert.firstcallgroup.co.uk [194.203.69.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B64337B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:31:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfrench@firstcallgroup.co.uk) Received: from pfrench by mailhost.firstcallgroup.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15PL0m-0006K6-00; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:31:24 +0100 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, jfarmer@goldsword.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! In-Reply-To: <200107250351.XAA05800@rapier.goldsword.com> Message-Id: From: Pete French Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:31:24 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I understood that Darwin and most of not all of the hardware drivers > were going to OpenSourced? They are, but it's the stuff that NeXT put on top that makes OS X such a nice piece of work. I dont really see the point in running Darwin without and of the graphics and object orientated stuff as FreeBSD is much better as a core OS. > (Thinking of building my very own AMD-based machine around FreeBSD & > Darwin...) Rather than run Darwin go pick up a copy of OpenStep 4.2 for Intel. They are dirt cheap these days and absolutely *fly* on an AMD based machine. Even OminWeb is almost useable :-) Couple that with a FreeBSD server in the corner and you have a very nice setup indeed. I can heartily ecommend this as a very useable setup. -pcf. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 3:44:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from edgemaster.zombie.org (cx497943-d.omhaw1.ne.home.com [24.3.233.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BE637B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:44:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smkelly@zombie.org) Received: by edgemaster.zombie.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AF36B103A04; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:44:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:44:17 -0500 From: Sean Kelly To: Sung Nae Cho Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! Message-ID: <20010725054417.A76920@edgemaster.zombie.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 06:40:40PM -0400, Sung Nae Cho wrote: > Hi, Hello, > This is regarding that recent performance issue (Linux, Windows, FreeBSD, > Solaris). I don't care what you (people who are so stuck up with > stability) think, I use FreeBSD as a desktop and I need performance! I So you'd rather have performance over stability? It's okay if your machine randomly reboots or eats files as long as you can load your browser in 2 seconds? > have "async" otpion turned on in my /etc/fstab, I'm glad the FreeBSD by > default enables the write cache for my hard disks. Come on, wake up! Ahem. Async + write cache + random plug pulling =3D=3D recipe for a totally screwed filesystem. How often do you want to have to reinstall your entire OS and restore all your files from tape or CD? > FreeBSD is no longer for some dorky server administrator who does nothing > but chewing on snickers bar sitting in corner of some room full of racks > and HDD's. And, I bet most people use FreeBSD for desktop use, not as > server use! I've shut down the computer by plugging the power plug out > just because I was upset or not in the moeed and all it cost me was some > extra time booting due to file system check. I've never had any of my > files, emails or anything like that being lost due to cold shutting my > computer. I'm sick of this server administrators always crying for First of all, the Snickers are not in the same room as the HDDs and racks. Secondly, I also use FreeBSD as both a desktop and server. It works beautifully doing both. And I don't buy your claim that you have no file loss if you truely use write caching *AND* async filesystems. Try looking in some /lost+found/ directories. > stability. If FreeBSD won't take use of all the capabilities offered in > todays hard drives, I won't be using it! I'll switch right over to Linux. You're not supposed to shutdown Linux by pulling it's plug either. Hello, welcome to the world of computers. No OS should be shutdown that way. > Come on, desktop is the king and FreeBSD should focus itself evolving in > desktop market. If you gonna whine about stability, go back to FreeBSD > 2.x, 3.x. For me, FreeBSD 4.x, 5.x should be more desktop oriented, and > desktops need performance!!!!! I'll tell you a little secret. If you don't like what FreeBSD is, you are able to make your own BSD. Just like there is a NetBSD, OpenBSD, and so forth you can create a DesktopBSD (which I will call UnstableBSD). --=20 Sean Kelly | PGP KeyID: 77042C7B smkelly@zombie.org | http://www.zombie.org For PGP key, send e-mail with subject "send pgp key" --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE7XqMB2aukpHcELHsRAr2BAJ460BzkdZ3I9yJ8lfIwEpcZw4fs4QCfYVKA s5CI5KOv0UnsNivbSHzfM3o= =fwzV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 3:45:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567B837B407 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:45:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rkohler1@cox.rr.com) Received: from B1M1X9.cox.rr.com ([24.163.115.240]) by mail5.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:45:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:44:31 -0400 From: Ray Kohler To: Kris Kennaway Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Looks like (some) networking is broken Message-Id: <20010725064431.6bd50118.rkohler1@cox.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <20010724191258.B39551@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <084423909011971FE8@mail8.mgfairfax.rr.com> <20010724191258.B39551@xor.obsecurity.org> Reply-To: ray.kohler@mail.com X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.66 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:12:59 -0700 Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:12:25PM -0700, Ray Kohler wrote: > > If a kernel change is that drastic then there ought to be a message in > > UPDATING. It shouldn't take an 8-hour process to (say) get a small > > bugfix in place. (And please do not just quote UPDATING to me, I've read it.) > > I don't want to sound like a troll or flamer but this has never been a hard > > requirement before and I don't see why it is now. > > Wrong. > > It's _always_ been the case that you'll have problems if you don't > keep your userland in sync with your kernel. That's why all of the > documentation in the handbook about upgrading your system tells you to > do both. Two things: A) I will freely admit that disregarding the directions and then complaining when it doesn't work is stupid; I wish to apologize for bugging you and for making the list read this (especially now with so much noise here for some reason; maybe it's that CIA mind control satellite again ;) ) B) I've rebuilt "the right way" and everything works fine now. -- Ray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 4:31:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-a.capu.net (smtp-a.capu.net [64.50.133.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E904837B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 04:31:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aling@capu.net) Received: from capu.net (cd-146-82.ra30.dc.capu.net [64.50.146.82]) by smtp-a.capu.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA26869 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:31:41 -0400 Message-ID: <3B5EAE16.D9651240@capu.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:31:34 -0400 From: ALing X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stable FreeBSD Subject: Buildworld on Athlon, NFS installworld on Pentium Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hope this isn't a FAQ, but couldn't find anything directly in archives, handbook, etc. I'd like to buildworld on a more recent Athlon, then NFS installworld on an ancient Pentium I, which is still running FreeBSD 3.4 It doesn't seem that there should be any special problems with this, but just thought I'd ask before having to make world entirely on the Pentium. TIA, Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 4:47:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from maile.telia.com (maile.telia.com [194.22.190.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40A137B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 04:47:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maile.telia.com (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6PBlFX20569 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:47:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ertr1013.student.uu.se (h185n2fls20o913.telia.com [212.181.163.185]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA13810 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:47:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 9470 invoked by uid 1001); 25 Jul 2001 11:46:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:46:22 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: ALing Cc: Stable FreeBSD Subject: Re: Buildworld on Athlon, NFS installworld on Pentium Message-ID: <20010725134622.A9455@student.uu.se> Mail-Followup-To: ALing , Stable FreeBSD References: <3B5EAE16.D9651240@capu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3B5EAE16.D9651240@capu.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 07:31:34AM -0400, ALing wrote: > Hope this isn't a FAQ, but couldn't find anything directly in > archives, > handbook, etc. I'd like to buildworld on a more recent Athlon, then NFS > installworld on an ancient Pentium I, which is still running FreeBSD 3.4 > It doesn't seem that there should be any special problems with this, but > just thought I'd ask before having to make world entirely on the > Pentium. > TIA, > Alex Should work fine. I have done NFS installworlds several times. (Except I do the buildworld on an ancient Pentium/133 and the installworld on an even more ancient 386sx. Works fine.) Just remember that /usr/src and /usr/obj must be at the same place on both machines. (So if you use symlinks on one of them you must use it on the other machine as well.) -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 4:48:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from APastourelles-102-1-2-26.abo.wanadoo.fr (APastourelles-102-1-2-26.abo.wanadoo.fr [217.128.208.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EB337B40B for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 04:48:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olive@deep-ocean.net) Received: by APastourelles-102-1-2-26.abo.wanadoo.fr (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8A1902550B; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:48:04 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:48:04 +0200 From: Olivier Cortes To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Buildworld on Athlon, NFS installworld on Pentium Message-ID: <20010725134804.H85594@APastourelles-102-1-2-26.abo.wa> Mail-Followup-To: Olivier Cortes , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <3B5EAE16.D9651240@capu.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B5EAE16.D9651240@capu.net>; from aling@capu.net on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 07:31:34AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-RC i386 up 6 days, 7:26, 1 user, load averages: 0.49, 0.18, 0.11 Organization: Deep-Ocean Network X-URL: http://www.deep-ocean.net/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 07:31:34AM -0400, ALing wrote: > Hope this isn't a FAQ, but couldn't find anything directly in > archives, > handbook, etc. I'd like to buildworld on a more recent Athlon, then NFS > installworld on an ancient Pentium I, which is still running FreeBSD 3.4 > It doesn't seem that there should be any special problems with this, but > just thought I'd ask before having to make world entirely on the > Pentium. i don't think it is in faq, but some people have written articles on that. it is possible to do it. just beware of CPU settings in your /etc/make.conf. there's something else, but i can't remember what. find the articles on google or freebsd.org. olive --- Olivier Cortes free software admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 5:13:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from keupon.admin.clubint.net (keupon.admin.clubint.net [194.117.201.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C47937B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:13:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ng@keupon.admin.clubint.net) Received: (from ng@localhost) by keupon.admin.clubint.net (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f6PCCvo40218 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:12:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ng) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:12:57 +0200 From: Nicolas Grieco To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! Message-ID: <20010725141257.D39794@t-online.fr> References: <20010725054417.A76920@edgemaster.zombie.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20010725054417.A76920@edgemaster.zombie.org>; from smkelly@zombie.org on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 05:44:17AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Come on, desktop is the king and FreeBSD should focus itself evolving in > > desktop market. If you gonna whine about stability, go back to FreeBSD > > 2.x, 3.x. For me, FreeBSD 4.x, 5.x should be more desktop oriented, and > > desktops need performance!!!!! Servers don't need performance ? Desktops don't need stability ? What kind of world do you live in ? You seems to forget that many FreeBSD'ers use it for professional servers and not only as jukebox multimedia. BTW i don't even understand why they should choose between Desktop and Server, i think FreeBSD 4.x could do both perfectly. Regards, -- Glab _ ASCII RIBBON / \ CAMPAIGN \ / - X AGAINST HTML / \ MAIL To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 6: 8:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mikea.ath.cx (okc-65-26-223-53.mmcable.com [65.26.223.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3EB37B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:08:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikea@mikea.ath.cx) Received: (from mikea@localhost) by mikea.ath.cx (8.11.4/8.11.1) id f6PD8jq02427 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:08:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mikea) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:08:45 -0500 From: mikea To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! Message-ID: <20010725080845.A2370@mikea.ath.cx> References: <20010725054417.A76920@edgemaster.zombie.org> <20010725141257.D39794@t-online.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20010725141257.D39794@t-online.fr>; from ng@t-online.fr on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:12:57PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:12:57PM +0200, Nicolas Grieco wrote: C'mon, folks! +----------+ +----------+ +----------+ +----------+ | PLEASE | | PLEASE | | PLEASE | | PLEASE | | DO NOT | | DO NOT | | DO NOT | | DO NOT | | FEED THE | | FEED THE | | FEED THE | | FEED THE | | TROLLS | | TROLLS | | TROLLS | | TROLLS | +----------+ +----------+ +----------+ +----------+ | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | .\|.||/.. .\|.||/.. .\|.||/.. .\|.||/.. Pretty please? -- Mike Andrews mikea@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin since 1964 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 6:10:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quasar.phys.vt.edu (quasar.phys.vt.edu [128.173.176.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F00C37B407 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:10:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu) Received: from localhost (sucho2@localhost) by quasar.phys.vt.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6PDA4L20955; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:10:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:10:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Sung Nae Cho To: Nicolas Grieco Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! In-Reply-To: <20010725141257.D39794@t-online.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Nicolas Grieco wrote: > > > Come on, desktop is the king and FreeBSD should focus itself evolving in > > > desktop market. If you gonna whine about stability, go back to FreeBSD > > > 2.x, 3.x. For me, FreeBSD 4.x, 5.x should be more desktop oriented, and > > > desktops need performance!!!!! > > Servers don't need performance ? > Desktops don't need stability ? > > What kind of world do you live in ? > You seems to forget that many FreeBSD'ers use it for professional servers and > not only as jukebox multimedia. > BTW i don't even understand why they should choose between Desktop and Server, i think > FreeBSD 4.x could do both perfectly. > > Regards, > > I don't know how far this have gone down the road and altered throughout the course. But, I've never said desktops don't need stability. It all started with some faction of FreeBSD users complaining about the default enable of the disk write cache for modern hard drives in FreeBSD 4.x series. My original post was literally responding to them, "Come on! This is 21st Century and hard disks are reliable and we need to take full advantage over those capable devices if FreeBSD's ever going to succeed in desktop market. FreeBSD is no longer for server use only!" Personally, I've been using UDMA capable disks (and, who doesn't these days?) with all the DMA capabilities fully turned on and never had to compromise performance with stability. If you are so worried about UDMA capable disks to not to work as it suppose to, why in the world are you even getting UDMA disk? Jee, lets get real here. Too many of the FreeBSD users are too overly conservative or out of date. Being overly conervative is not necessarily being wise, rather, it's being stubborn. I just thought that everyone responding to this post regarding "FreeBSD needs comeout of server market and meet the Desktop world" should know where this debate originated from before responding just reading some follow ups that have been twisted many times down the road. Anyways, this topic is getting flameful and dull. And I don't appreciate when people make everything so serious and start calling someone who's simply telling the truth a "Troll" or something similar in nature. A wise/educated person should not try to cover it's flaws, rather learn to improve from it. Please, I do not want to refuel the flame. Nor have I posted the original message for that matter. Yours sincerely, Sung N. Cho, Wednesday, July 25, 2001. Dept. of Physics, Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 6:23:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shaft.techsupport.co.uk (shaft.techsupport.co.uk [212.250.77.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C226F37B406 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:23:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rasputin@shaft.techsupport.co.uk) Received: from rasputin by shaft.techsupport.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15POhC-000AIZ-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:27:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:27:26 +0100 From: Rasputin To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPP still playing up? Message-ID: <20010725142725.A39579@shaft.techsupport.co.uk> Reply-To: Rasputin References: <20010725103127.A38916@shaft.techsupport.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010725103127.A38916@shaft.techsupport.co.uk>; from rara.rasputin@virgin.net on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 10:31:27AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Rasputin [010725 10:31]: > Re: the issue with PPP falling over, I found (as others did) > that replacing the line: > > set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 > > with > > set ifaddr 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 ^^^^^^^^^ ??? > > works Ugh, ignore me. Brain dump. I misread Neals' fix - will try setting only the server end to 0.0.0.0/0 when I get back to the box and take it from there.... -- "I mean heck, it's even got a graphical configurator, so you don't have to use the command line to hose your system anymore." -- GDM 2.2.2 release notes Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 6:27:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.hexanet.fr (ns1.hexanet.fr [194.98.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B887C37B406 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:27:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Received: from proton.hexanet.fr (proton.hexanet.fr [194.98.140.18]) by ns1.hexanet.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA85372 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:27:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Received: from hexanet.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by proton.hexanet.fr (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f6PDRln76188 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:27:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:27:47 +0200 From: Christophe Prévotaux To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: make buildkernel fails Message-Id: <20010725152747.5b24805d.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.66 (GTK+ 1.2.7; i386--freebsd4.2) Organization: HEXANET Sarl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I have just cvsuped to releng_4_3 but when I run make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL I get this error message: sh /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh PROTON cc -c -O -pipe -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wca st-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 vers.c linking kernel ip_dummynet.o: In function `heap_init': ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x61): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0xa4): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o: In function `heap_free': ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x3ad): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o: In function `transmit_event': ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x432): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o: In function `expire_queues': ip_dummynet.o(.text+0xc8b): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0xcf7): more undefined references to `M_IPFW' follow ip_dummynet.o: In function `find_queue': ip_dummynet.o(.text+0xd79): undefined reference to `last_pkt' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0xd82): undefined reference to `last_pkt' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0xd8d): undefined reference to `last_pkt' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0xd98): undefined reference to `last_pkt' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0xda1): undefined reference to `last_pkt' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0xda7): more undefined references to `last_pkt' follow ip_dummynet.o: In function `find_queue': ip_dummynet.o(.text+0xe54): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0xe7a): undefined reference to `last_pkt' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0xebb): undefined reference to `last_pkt' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0xec0): undefined reference to `last_pkt' ip_dummynet.o: In function `dummynet_io': ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x12f7): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o: In function `purge_flow_set': ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x1679): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x168d): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x16d3): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x16ec): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x170f): more undefined references to `M_IPFW' follow ip_dummynet.o: In function `dummynet_flush': ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x179f): undefined reference to `ip_fw_chain_head' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x1827): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o: In function `dn_rule_delete_fs': ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x1854): undefined reference to `ip_fw_default_rule' ip_dummynet.o: In function `dn_rule_delete': ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x18e2): undefined reference to `ip_fw_default_rule' ip_dummynet.o: In function `config_red': ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x197e): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x19a1): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x19c3): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x19e5): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o: In function `alloc_hash': ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x1aba): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x1c2e): more undefined references to `M_IPFW' follow ip_dummynet.o: In function `delete_pipe': ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x2059): undefined reference to `ip_fw_chain_head' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x20ea): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x2151): undefined reference to `ip_fw_chain_head' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PROTON. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. Could anyone tell me how to fix this ? and what is wrong ? -- =================================================================== Christophe Prevotaux Email: c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr HEXANET SARL URL: http://www.hexanet.fr/ Z.A Farman Sud Tel: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 05 9 rue Roland Coffignot Direct: +33 (0)3 26 79 08 02 BP415 Fax: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 06 51689 Reims Cedex 2 FRANCE =================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 6:30: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peitho.fxp.org (peitho.fxp.org [209.26.95.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CF937B408 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:29:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdf.lists@fxp.org) Received: by peitho.fxp.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id 8CCCC1360E; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:29:40 -0400 From: Chris Faulhaber To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christophe_Pr=E9votaux?= Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails Message-ID: <20010725092940.B24295@peitho.fxp.org> References: <20010725152747.5b24805d.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010725152747.5b24805d.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr>; from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 03:27:47PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 03:27:47PM +0200, Christophe Pr=E9votaux wrote: >=20 > Hi >=20 > I have just cvsuped to releng_4_3 but when I run make buildkernel KERNCON= F=3DMYKERNEL >=20 > I get this error message: >=20 >=20 > sh /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh PROTON=20 > cc -c -O -pipe -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototy= pes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wca > st-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/u= sr/src/sys/../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h=20 > -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=3D2 vers.c > linking kernel > ip_dummynet.o: In function `heap_init': > ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x61): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' > ip_dummynet.o(.text+0xa4): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' >=20 Looks like you left out the ipfw options when you added DUMMYNET support. From LINT: # DUMMYNET enables the "dummynet" bandwidth limiter. You need # IPFIREWALL as well. See the dummynet(4) manpage for more info. --=20 Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: FreeBSD: The Power To Serve iEYEARECAAYFAjteycQACgkQObaG4P6BelCzvACaA8YOd17EBeJO9iGCPedtDu8+ WCAAoIEjZd3kGVo0F/wlQXr/l2UR2ki5 =4rGQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uAKRQypu60I7Lcqm-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 6:39:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from purus.tcoip (unknown [200.199.244.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4190C37B406 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:39:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daniel.sobral@tcoip.com.br) Received: from tcoip.com.br (g3ajhpy6kieds4y6@[192.168.60.194]) by purus.tcoip (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6KKDx412012; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:14:02 -0300 Message-ID: <3B589107.2030609@tcoip.com.br> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:13:59 -0300 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010705 X-Accept-Language: en, pt-br, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: janb@cs.utep.edu Cc: Stefan Molnar , Marek Gorka , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.3 and 6G RAM References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG janb@cs.utep.edu wrote: > I am interestied as to why this is. Is there a sound technical reason do > not support this, or was it merely the fact that there are not too many > machines that can take advantage of this anyway, and nobody got around to > do this? Yes, there is a good reason. It reduces overall performance. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Daniel.Sobral@tcoip.com.br dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@notorious.bsdconspiracy.net Talking much about oneself can also be a means to conceal oneself. -- Friedrich Nietzsche To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 6:39:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from purus.tcoip (unknown [200.199.244.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0632037B407 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:39:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daniel.sobral@tcoip.com.br) Received: from tcoip.com.br (rofbverm9921kwn5@[192.168.60.194]) by purus.tcoip (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6KJAo408886; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:10:51 -0300 Message-ID: <3B588239.8010605@tcoip.com.br> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:10:49 -0300 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010705 X-Accept-Language: en, pt-br, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcel Prisi Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: High Availability References: <20010716181824.23127b6b.marcel@virtua.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Marcel Prisi wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering : Is there a High-Availability software running on FreeBSD comparable to the Linux Virtual Server kernel patches ? Would be great ... First, please break your lines before 80 characters (72 is the recommended). Second, could you please enlighten us not familiar with the Linux Virtual Server kernel patches as to what might be their features? -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Daniel.Sobral@tcoip.com.br dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@notorious.bsdconspiracy.net The cost of living has just gone up another dollar a quart. -- W.C. Fields To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 6:41: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org (mb-20-100.mitre.org [129.83.20.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA57E37B408 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jandrese@mitre.org) Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6PDeGD09618; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAILHUB1 (mailhub1.mitre.org [129.83.20.31]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6PDeEX23951; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dhcp-105-164.mitre.org (128.29.105.164) by mailhub1.mitre.org with SMTP id 7143532; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:40:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3B5ECC36.47621190@mitre.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:40:06 -0400 From: Jason Andresen Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-20000818M (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sung Nae Cho Cc: Nicolas Grieco , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sung Nae Cho wrote: > Aarrgh! Must...Resist...Trolling... Nuts, well I'll make this short: > > I don't know how far this have gone down the road and altered throughout > the course. But, I've never said desktops don't need stability. It all > started with some faction of FreeBSD users complaining about the default > enable of the disk write cache for modern hard drives in FreeBSD 4.x > series. My original post was literally responding to them, "Come on! > This is 21st Century and hard disks are reliable and we need to take full > advantage over those capable devices if FreeBSD's ever going to succeed in > desktop market. FreeBSD is no longer for server use only!" Personally, > I've been using UDMA capable disks (and, who doesn't these days?) with all > the DMA capabilities fully turned on and never had to compromise > performance with stability. If you are so worried about UDMA capable > disks to not to work as it suppose to, why in the world are you even > getting UDMA disk? Jee, lets get real here. Too many of the FreeBSD Where did this non-sequitor come from? Current state of FreeBSD: ATA disks are run at the maximum transfer rate the disk, controller, and cable allow. This includes things like UDMA100/66/33. Write Caching is enabled by default now. Filesystems have the option of running Softupdates, which almost as fast and _MUCH_ more reliable than async. ATAPI devices (CDROMs mostly) do not use DMA by default because a lot of ATAPI devices flat out lie about what they support. This is easily tunable if you are _sure_ your ATAPI devices supports DMA. It's just common sense. > Dept. of Physics, > Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University. As a Tech alumni, this embarrasses me. -- \ |_ _|__ __|_ \ __| Jason Andresen jandrese@mitre.org |\/ | | | / _| Network and Distributed Systems Engineer _| _|___| _| _|_\___| Office: 703-883-7755 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 6:41:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from purus.tcoip (unknown [200.199.244.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128F937B403; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:39:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daniel.sobral@tcoip.com.br) Received: from tcoip.com.br (hikx6xavvf2ihl20@dcs.tcoip.com.br [192.168.60.194]) by purus.tcoip (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6OKLHA04711; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:21:18 -0300 Message-ID: <3B5DD8BC.8010601@tcoip.com.br> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:21:16 -0300 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010705 X-Accept-Language: en, pt-br, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Completely unstable -stable (IPSEC) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010203040502050203020102" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010203040502050203020102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (message Bcc=B4ed to -net) I have a 4.3-STABLE (cvsupped a few times this week already) which will=20 crash within hours (and then never get to a second succesful boot).=20 4.3-RELEASE works fine with the same kernel. Data follows: IdlePTD 3207168 initial pcb at 27dc80 panicstr: ipsec4_setspidx_inpcb: no inp_sp found. panic messages: --- panic: ipsec4_setspidx_inpcb: no inp_sp found. syncing disks... panic: ipsec4_setspidx_inpcb: no inp_sp found. Uptime: 1m13s dumping to dev #ad/0x20001, offset 786456 dump ata0: resetting devices .. done 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 114 113 112 111 110=20 109 108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91 90 89 = 88 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65=20 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41=20 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17=20 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 --- #0 dumpsys () at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:472 472 if (dumping++) { (kgdb) up #1 0xc0143ff8 in boot (howto=3D260) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c= :312 312 dumpsys(); (kgdb) up #2 0xc0144380 in poweroff_wait (junk=3D0xc023c400, howto=3D-921524928) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:559 559 boot(bootopt); (kgdb) up #3 0xc01abe88 in ipsec4_setspidx_inpcb (m=3D0xc083d000, pcb=3D0xc99eacc0= ) at /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ipsec.c:723 723 panic("ipsec4_setspidx_inpcb: no inp_sp found.\n"= ); (kgdb) list 718 719 /* sanity check */ 720 if (pcb =3D=3D NULL) 721 panic("ipsec4_setspidx_inpcb: no PCB found.\n"); 722 if (pcb->inp_sp =3D=3D NULL) 723 panic("ipsec4_setspidx_inpcb: no inp_sp found.\n"= ); 724 if (pcb->inp_sp->sp_out =3D=3D NULL || pcb->inp_sp->sp_in= =3D=3D=20 NULL) 725 panic("ipsec4_setspidx_inpcb: no sp_in/out=20 found.\n"); 726 727 bzero(&pcb->inp_sp->sp_in->spidx, sizeof(*spidx)); (kgdb) where #0 dumpsys () at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:472 #1 0xc0143ff8 in boot (howto=3D260) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c= :312 #2 0xc0144380 in poweroff_wait (junk=3D0xc023c400, howto=3D-921524928) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:559 #3 0xc01abe88 in ipsec4_setspidx_inpcb (m=3D0xc083d000, pcb=3D0xc99eacc0= ) at /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ipsec.c:723 #4 0xc01abba1 in ipsec4_getpolicybysock (m=3D0xc083d000, dir=3D1,=20 so=3D0xc912a540, error=3D0xca532af8) at /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ipsec.c:258 #5 0xc01aca09 in ipsec4_in_reject_so (m=3D0xc083d000, so=3D0xc912a540) at /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ipsec.c:1715 #6 0xc019fd6a in rip_input (m=3D0xc0885e00, off=3D20, proto=3D89) at /usr/src/sys/netinet/raw_ip.c:144 #7 0xc019a6d0 in ip_input (m=3D0xc0885e00) at=20 /usr/src/sys/netinet/ip_input.c:820 #8 0xc019a747 in ipintr () at /usr/src/sys/netinet/ip_input.c:848 #9 0xc020c995 in swi_net_next () #10 0xc01699e5 in bwrite (bp=3D0xc486df3c) at /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c= :265 #11 0xc016f0bf in vop_stdbwrite (ap=3D0xca532c0c) at=20 /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_default.c:331 #12 0xc016eee5 in vop_defaultop (ap=3D0xca532c0c) at=20 /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_default.c:150 #13 0xc01d30ed in ufs_vnoperate (ap=3D0xca532c0c) at=20 /usr/src/sys/ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2373 #14 0xc0169d06 in bawrite (bp=3D0xc486df3c) at vnode_if.h:1193 #15 0xc016e78b in cluster_wbuild (vp=3D0xca535040, size=3D8192,=20 start_lbn=3D5250, len=3D16) at /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_cluster.c:888 #16 0xc016a8a4 in vfs_bio_awrite (bp=3D0xc48bf01c) at=20 /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c:1450 #17 0xc01ccf09 in ffs_fsync (ap=3D0xca532cf0) at=20 /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_vnops.c:220 #18 0xc01cb8c0 in ffs_sync (mp=3D0xc2090000, waitfor=3D2, cred=3D0xc081d8= 80,=20 p=3D0xc029a8c0) at vnode_if.h:558 #19 0xc0173e4b in sync (p=3D0xc029a8c0, uap=3D0x0) at=20 /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_syscalls.c:545 #20 0xc0143dcb in boot (howto=3D256) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c= :233 #21 0xc0144380 in poweroff_wait (junk=3D0xc023c400, howto=3D-921524928) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:559 #22 0xc01abe88 in ipsec4_setspidx_inpcb (m=3D0xc0885800, pcb=3D0xc99eacc0= ) at /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ipsec.c:723 #23 0xc01abba1 in ipsec4_getpolicybysock (m=3D0xc0885800, dir=3D1,=20 so=3D0xc912a540, error=3D0xca532dd0) at /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ipsec.c:258 #24 0xc01aca09 in ipsec4_in_reject_so (m=3D0xc0885800, so=3D0xc912a540) at /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ipsec.c:1715 #25 0xc019fd6a in rip_input (m=3D0xc0885d00, off=3D20, proto=3D89) at /usr/src/sys/netinet/raw_ip.c:144 #26 0xc019a6d0 in ip_input (m=3D0xc0885d00) at=20 /usr/src/sys/netinet/ip_input.c:820 #27 0xc019a747 in ipintr () at /usr/src/sys/netinet/ip_input.c:848 #28 0xc020c995 in swi_net_next () #29 0xc01af9a0 in key_newsp () at /usr/src/sys/netkey/key.c:1196 #30 0xc01ac290 in ipsec_init_policy (so=3D0xc912a540, pcb_sp=3D0xc99ead28= ) at /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ipsec.c:1128 #31 0xc01a0373 in rip_attach (so=3D0xc912a540, proto=3D89, p=3D0xc8d1cdc0= ) at /usr/src/sys/netinet/raw_ip.c:490 #32 0xc0161c4a in socreate (dom=3D2, aso=3D0xca532f2c, type=3D3, proto=3D= 89,=20 p=3D0xc8d1cdc0) at /usr/src/sys/kern/uipc_socket.c:163 #33 0xc016569b in socket (p=3D0xc8d1cdc0, uap=3D0xca532f80) at /usr/src/sys/kern/uipc_syscalls.c:120 #34 0xc0216e65 in syscall2 (frame=3D{tf_fs =3D 47, tf_es =3D 47, tf_ds =3D= 47,=20 tf_edi =3D 135151616, tf_esi =3D 0, tf_ebp =3D -1077937024, tf_isp =3D -900517932, tf_eb= x =3D=20 -1077936820, tf_edx =3D 134869052, tf_ecx =3D 135098944, tf_eax =3D 97, tf_trap= no =3D=20 12, tf_err =3D 2, tf_eip =3D 672284416, tf_cs =3D 31, tf_eflags =3D 659, tf_esp =3D = -1077937068, tf_ss =3D 47}) at /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/trap.c:1150 #35 0xc020b535 in Xint0x80_syscall () #36 0x80596f9 in ?? () #37 0x807369a in ?? () #38 0x8049ca9 in ?? () #39 0x80498e1 in ?? () (kgdb) print pcb $1 =3D (struct inpcb *) 0xc99eacc0 (kgdb) print *pcb $2 =3D {inp_hash =3D {le_next =3D 0x0, le_prev =3D 0x0}, inp_fport =3D 0,= =20 inp_lport =3D 0, inp_list =3D { le_next =3D 0xc99ead80, le_prev =3D 0xc029c380}, inp_flow =3D 0,=20 inp_dependfaddr =3D { inp46_foreign =3D {ia46_pad32 =3D {0, 0, 0}, ia46_addr4 =3D {s_addr = =3D=20 0}}, inp6_foreign =3D { __u6_addr =3D {__u6_addr8 =3D '\000' , __u6_addr= 16=20 =3D {0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0}, __u6_addr32 =3D {0, 0, 0, 0}}}}, inp_dependladdr =3D=20 {inp46_local =3D { ia46_pad32 =3D {0, 0, 0}, ia46_addr4 =3D {s_addr =3D 0}}, inp6_loc= al =3D=20 {__u6_addr =3D { __u6_addr8 =3D '\000' , __u6_addr16 =3D {0, 0,= 0,=20 0, 0, 0, 0, 0}, __u6_addr32 =3D {0, 0, 0, 0}}}}, inp_ppcb =3D 0x0, inp_pcbinfo =3D= =20 0xc029c3a0, inp_socket =3D 0xc912a540, inp_flags =3D 0, inp_dependroute =3D {inp4_= route=20 =3D {ro_rt =3D 0x0, ro_dst =3D {sa_len =3D 0 '\000', sa_family =3D 0 '\000', sa_data =3D '\000' }}, inp6_route =3D {ro_rt =3D= =20 0x0, ro_dst =3D { sin6_len =3D 0 '\000', sin6_family =3D 0 '\000', sin6_port =3D 0= ,=20 sin6_flowinfo =3D 0, sin6_addr =3D {__u6_addr =3D {__u6_addr8 =3D '\000' , __u6_addr16 =3D {0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0}, __u6_addr32 =3D {0, 0, 0, 0}}},=20 sin6_scope_id =3D 0}}}, inp_sp =3D 0x0, inp_vflag =3D 1 '\001', inp_ip_ttl =3D 64 '@', inp_ip_= p =3D=20 89 'Y', inp_depend4 =3D { inp4_ip_tos =3D 0 '\000', inp4_options =3D 0x0, inp4_moptions =3D 0x= 0},=20 inp_depend6 =3D { inp6_options =3D 0x0, inp6_outputopts =3D 0x0, inp6_moptions =3D 0x0= ,=20 inp6_icmp6filt =3D 0x0, inp6_cksum =3D 0, inp6_ifindex =3D 0, inp6_hops =3D 0, inp6_hlim =3D= 0=20 '\000'}, inp_portlist =3D { le_next =3D 0x0, le_prev =3D 0x0}, inp_phd =3D 0x0, inp_gencnt =3D 5= 56} Kernel configuration file attached. Any ideas? --=20 Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Daniel.Sobral@tcoip.com.br dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@notorious.bsdconspiracy.net Love to eat them mousies, Mousies what I love to eat. Bite they little heads off, Nibble on they tiny feet. -- Kliban --------------010203040502050203020102 Content-Type: text/plain; name="OSPF" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="OSPF" # # GENERIC -- Generic kernel configuration file for FreeBSD/i386 # # For more information on this file, please read the handbook section on # Kernel Configuration Files: # # http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/kernelconfig-config.html # # The handbook is also available locally in /usr/share/doc/handbook # if you've installed the doc distribution, otherwise always see the # FreeBSD World Wide Web server (http://www.FreeBSD.org/) for the # latest information. # # An exhaustive list of options and more detailed explanations of the # device lines is also present in the ./LINT configuration file. If you are # in doubt as to the purpose or necessity of a line, check first in LINT. # # $FreeBSD: src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC,v 1.246.2.20 2000/10/31 23:16:07 n_hibma Exp $ machine i386 cpu I686_CPU ident ALMAS maxusers 32 makeoptions DEBUG=-g #Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols options IPSEC #IP security options IPSEC_ESP #IP security (crypto; define w/ IPSEC) options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support options MD_ROOT #MD is a potential root device options PROCFS #Process filesystem options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=15000 #Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad replies options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev options NMBCLUSTERS=8192 options TCP_DROP_SYNFIN #drop TCP packets with SYN+FIN device isa device eisa device pci # Floppy drives device fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 device fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 device fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata0 at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14 device ata1 at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15 device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering options IPFIREWALL options IPDIVERT options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE options IPFIREWALL_FORWARD options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=100 options MROUTING # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 device vga0 at isa? # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? flags 0x100 # Enable this and PCVT_FREEBSD for pcvt vt220 compatible console driver #device vt0 at isa? #options XSERVER # support for X server on a vt console #options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 # Power management support (see LINT for more options) device apm0 at nexus? flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management # Serial (COM) ports device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3 # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? irq 7 device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt # Printer device plip # TCP/IP over parallel device ppi # Parallel port interface device device miibus # MII bus support device xl # 3Com 3c90x device fxp # Intel EtherExpress Pro/100B # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated. pseudo-device loop # Network loopback pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support pseudo-device sl 4 # Kernel SLIP pseudo-device ppp 4 # Kernel PPP pseudo-device tun 4 # Packet tunnel. pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) pseudo-device vlan 16 # The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter # USB support device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device usb # USB Bus (required) options SC_HISTORY_SIZE=6000 --------------010203040502050203020102-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 6:48:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org (mb-20-100.mitre.org [129.83.20.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AF337B418 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:47:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jandrese@mitre.org) Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6PDlRD11185; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAILHUB1 (mailhub1.mitre.org [129.83.20.31]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6PDlPX25538; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dhcp-105-164.mitre.org (128.29.105.164) by mailhub1.mitre.org with SMTP id 7143702; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:47:24 -0400 Message-ID: <3B5ECDED.C4A0937D@mitre.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:47:25 -0400 From: Jason Andresen Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-20000818M (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Valeriy E. Ushakov" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wc, tagging &c (not a troll ;) References: <20010725070644.A14953@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> <018501c114b5$e4ef2b00$4b443dca@jett> <20010725072621.B14953@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Valeriy E. Ushakov" wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 10:59:59 +0800, Da better Half wrote: > > > does this concern freebsd-stable? > > Yes, because I'm about to update my FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Mon Apr 23 > (wc disabled by default) to the just cvsupped stable (wc enabled by > default) and I think a quick check if I understand the issue correctly > is more productive than filing a bogus PR based on my misunderstanding > the issue. Is the IBM drive new? What does dmesg report as it's string. Does it look like: ad0: xxxxxxMB ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:51:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duwde@duwde.com.br) Received: (qmail 484 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 04:06:35 -0000 Received: from mobile.x.gov (HELO mobile) (10.0.0.7) by astral.x.gov with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 04:06:35 -0000 Message-ID: <005301c114be$d80a9b00$0700000a@x.gov.x.gov> From: "Fabio Vilan" To: Subject: Problems with new user-ppp ? Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:04:04 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi. Since my latest make world (today), my PPPoE connection trough user-ppp doesn't work anymore. I've been using it for a time, no problems whatsoever before. show version in the new (broken) ==> 2.3.2 - Jul 24 2001 show version in the old (working) ==> 2.3.1 - Jun 26 2001 *Seems* to be a problem in the ppp program iteself (/usr/sbin/ppp), as if I get back to the older version, everything works again. The /var/log/ppp.log shows : ... deflink: login -> lcp deflink: Too many LCP REQs sent - abandoning negotiation deflink: Disconnected! ... My /etc/ppp/ppp.conf (that works with the old version) ... default: set device PPPoE:ed0:ISP enable lqr enable tcpmssfixup set lqrperiod 6 set mru 1492 set mtu 1492 set timeout 0 set log phase tun nat enable yes add default HISADDR set authname ***** set authkey ***** ... I've also noticed that many other people have already found some other problems with this new ppp program in this very same list (freebsd-stable), saw many tricks to try to fix the problem, but none of them worked with me. Btw I haven't found any change in the PPP(8) manpage with this new version, so I don't believe it to be a configuration problem (may be... but...) Thanks Duwde duwde@duwde.com.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 6:54:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from astral.isec.com.br (unknown [200.164.0.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4749F37B422 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:53:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duwde@duwde.com.br) Received: (qmail 1348 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 05:21:40 -0000 Received: from mobile.x.gov (HELO duwde.com.br) (10.0.0.7) by astral.x.gov with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 05:21:40 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5E56CD.C0BB8A6E@duwde.com.br> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:19:09 -0300 From: "Duwde (Fabio Vilan Dias)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: user-PPP broken ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi. Since my latest make world (today), my PPPoE connection trough user-ppp doesn't work anymore. I've been using it for a time, no problems whatsoever before. show version in the new (broken) ==> 2.3.2 - Jul 24 2001 show version in the old (working) ==> 2.3.1 - Jun 26 2001 *Seems* to be a problem in the ppp program iteself (/usr/sbin/ppp), as if I get back to the older version, everything works again. The /var/log/ppp.log shows : ... deflink: login -> lcp deflink: Too many LCP REQs sent - abandoning negotiation deflink: Disconnected! ... My /etc/ppp/ppp.conf (that works with the old version) ... default: set device PPPoE:ed0:ISP enable lqr enable tcpmssfixup set lqrperiod 6 set mru 1492 set mtu 1492 set timeout 0 set log phase tun nat enable yes add default HISADDR set authname ***** set authkey ***** ... I've also noticed that many other people have already found some other problems with this new ppp program in this very same list (freebsd-stable), saw many tricks to try to fix the problem, but none of them worked with me. Btw I haven't found any change in the PPP(8) manpage with this new version, so I don't believe it to be a configuration problem (may be... but...) Thanks -- Fabio Vilan Dias / Duwde PGP key @ http://www.duwde.com.br/duwdepgp.asc FP = BB35 50F2 7F83 655D 6B11 F0A2 F8E2 FF3D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 6:56:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.xrxgsn.com (unknown [216.42.106.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1032937B425 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:54:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike.porter@xrxgsn.com) Received: from laptop (1Cust251.tnt5.salt-lake-city.ut.da.uu.net [63.11.217.251]) by mailhost.xrxgsn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA22738; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <026901c113b5$96c53740$0300a8c0@laptop> From: "Mike Porter" To: "Mike Hoskins" , "Steve Lumos" Cc: Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:25:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Steve Lumos To: Mike Hoskins Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:24 PM Subject: Re: is "stable" "stable"? >Mike Hoskins : >>On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Steve Lumos wrote: >>Actually, the user you describe as just 'ending up' places vs. actually >>RTFMing and making informed decissions sounds like a newbie. With that in >>mind, I'd suggest reading: >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html >> >>Specifically, >> >> "If you haven't installed yet, look for the *latest mainstream >> release*." > >This is a perfect example of how the documentation is going wrong. If >you have installed FreeBSD, then that ain't you. That's one reason >why I suggested changing "if you are new to FreeBSD, you are most >likely going to want to think twice about running [-CURRENT]." There >are a lot more people who ought to think twice about running -CURRENT >then just those who are "new to FreeBSD". > And as a general rule, unless you are new to freeBSD, you are going to know what you are getting into trying to run -CURRENT. And if you continue reading into section 20.2.1.1, you will find "but whether or not FreeBSD-CURRENT sources bring disaster or greatly desired functionality can literally be a matter of which part of any given 24 hour period you grabbed them in!" In 20.2.1.3 you read that freeBSD-CURRENT is /not/(emphasis in original)"In any way ``officially supported'' by us". Translation: newbies to freeBSD need not even delve into the subsections below about current. Those not new to freeBSD should read on, and then decide if it is "right" for you. The idea isn't necessarily to turn people off of running -CURRENT, but to let them know that the going may be rocky. In fact, if more people ran -CURRENT, it would have the effect of increasing the testing matrix....assuming that people who have problems actually report them, of course, but that's a whole other can of worms. If I had the time to devote to it, I would happily run -CURRENT, but there IS a significant time investment. >>> "Changes to this branch have not been widely tested and should not >>> be depended on to work." >> >>Hmm. Speak for yourself, and your apparent lack of clue. Personally, I >>have many working -STABLE boxes. > >Well, I might not be the most clueful person in the world, but I can >usually manage to avoid having ad hominem and hasty generalization >fallacies in consecutive sentences. Do you dislike that sentence >because you claim that -STABLE has been widely tested, or that it >should be depended on to work, or both? > I personally have had zero problems with -STABLE. As previously mentioned on this thread, becuase of the size of the testing matrix, there really is no humanly possible way to test every possible configuration: Not only do manufacturer's sometimes change the design of products without telling anyone (Intel's eepro100 is a good example of that--and worse, the changes actually broke stuff, so fxp code that worked with one version, suddenly DIDN'T work witht he new version--a new version that if I understand correctly had the SAME MARKINGS on the chip. How is a volunteer devolper supposed to know that?), and not only would you then again have to multiply this by the number of motherboard models out there in the x86 world (and don't forget all the old 386 and 486 boards!) but a lot of boards, especially older boards (some of the early PCI boards, notably, especially the 486-based ones...)have bugs related to specific slots...so not only do you have to test every known motherboard with every known version of the eepro100, but you also have to test it *in every slot* to be assured that there will be no problems. And don't forget all the customized BIOS tweaks... -Stable has been tested to the best of the abilities of those doing the testing. If you have a problem with that, then as has been suggested, why don't you volunteer to help? FreeBSD is, after all, a volunteer effort, and the way it gets improved is by people noticing a problem, and offering to help with the solution. Simply pointing out the problem isn't going to do you or anyone else any good. What is needed is SOLUTIONS. Your proposed modfications to the handbook really aren't what most people have experienced. And again, if you look online at the current version of the handbook:in 20.2.2.1:"Any changes to this branch will have debuted in FreeBSD-CURRENT first, helping to reduce (but not eliminate) the chance that the changes will cause problems." There is nothing untrue about that statement. The people testing in -CURRENT have tested it, and resolved any problems. That YOUR SPECIFIC HARDWARE may not have been tested is certainly not their fault. If you are that concerened that your specific configuration gets tested, why don't you build an exact clone of your machine and send it to one of the testers, so they can test your machine. Dont forget to put everything in the same slot, use the same BIOS version, and include any dual-boot, etc, configuration. Even then, becuase there are differences between -CURRENT and -STABLE, there is a chance that something may break, of course, as sometimes the breakage is in the interactions between stuff.... COntinuing in the handbook, we come to section 20.2.2.2:"If you are interested in tracking the FreeBSD development process, and you want early access to the features that will appear in the next ``point'' release of FreeBSD then you should consider following FreeBSD-STABLE." "development process"..."/consider/ tracking" (emphasis mine). Later on in 20.2.2.2:"However, you do not need to track FreeBSD-STABLE to do this, as every security advisory for FreeBSD explains how to fix the problem for the releases it affects." "You DO NOT need..." seems pretty clear to me! Still in 20.2.2.2:"Although we endeavor to ensure that the FreeBSD-STABLE branch compiles and runs at all times, this cannot be guaranteed. In addition, while code is developed in FreeBSD-CURRENT before including it in FreeBSD-STABLE, more people run FreeBSD-STABLE than FreeBSD-CURRENT, so it is inevitable that bugs and corner cases will sometimes be found in FreeBSD-STABLE that were not apparent in FreeBSD-CURRENT." So far, nothing we haven't heard before. Perhaps a clarification of the first paragraph of 20.2.2. And again: "For these reasons, we do not recommend that you blindly track FreeBSD-STABLE, and it is particularly important that you do not update any production servers to FreeBSD-STABLE without first thoroughly testing the code in your development environment." Sounds like stuff a lot of people have said in this thread and other, previous threads along this line. Or was it just my imaginiation? <(}; And finally, the last paragraph of 20.2.2.2: "If you do not have the resources to do this then we recommend that you run the most recent release of FreeBSD, and use the binary update mechanism to move from release to release." Any questions? I would point out that ALL of that comes before any discussion of HOW to get -STABLE, and clearly you managed to read THAT section well enough. Is it really too much to ask that people RTFM?? (no offense intended towards the people who wrote THIS manual <(}; ) The only thing that I would suggest adding (for anyone who has made it this far), is to copy the line from 20.2.1 about subscribing to the -current mailing list not just being a good idea, but being essential, and lay it into the section about subscribing to -stable. I would agree that it is somewhat *less* essential than with current, but it is still pretty darn important. I seem to recall that the older version of the handbook said something along those lines, and also along the lines of waiting a week or so after subscribing to -stable before actually pulling and compiling sources. But that may have been in Greg's book, which I also have and refer to frequently (thanks, Greg!). well, 'nuff said on this topic, I think I've exhausted my month's -stable allotment... <(}: mike >>From what other people have said, it seems to be the case that a) >-STABLE used to be exactly what the handbook (until the most recent >update) says it is, and b) it's not anymore, but RELENG__ > is instead. I would be interested to hear somebody >authoritative correct that, but otherwise it means the handbook needs >to be fixed. No big deal, seems to be happening already, everybody be >happy. > >Steve > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 7:23:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from front1.netvisao.pt (unknown [213.228.128.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A7C8737B718 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:19:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com) Received: (qmail 11766 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2001 13:20:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO qnuno) (217.129.231.117) by 213.228.128.56 with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 13:20:02 -0000 Message-ID: <011901c10f8c$4be2aff0$0c00a8c0@qnuno> From: "Nuno Teixeira" To: Subject: What FTPd FreeBSD uses? Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:19:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello to all, 1. The ftpd FreeBSD distribution is FTP verion 6.00 LS. I noted that ftp.freebsd.org uses an FTP version DG-4.1.73 What the differences between the two ftpds? 2. (I don't want to start a flame war) What of this 2 ftpd programs (FTPd FreeBSD dist. and ProFTPd) is more secure? Or, what FTPd program should I use to obtain maximum security? Thanks very much -- Nuno Teixeira Dir. Técnico pt-quorum.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 7:31:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from snark.ptc.spbu.ru (snark.ptc.spbu.ru [195.19.225.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5FD37B422 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:30:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uwe@snark.ptc.spbu.ru) Received: (from uwe@localhost) by snark.ptc.spbu.ru (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id SAA16271 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:30:15 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:30:15 +0400 From: "Valeriy E. Ushakov" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wc, tagging &c (not a troll ;) Message-ID: <20010725183014.A16267@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010725070644.A14953@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> <018501c114b5$e4ef2b00$4b443dca@jett> <20010725072621.B14953@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> <3B5ECDED.C4A0937D@mitre.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.3i In-Reply-To: <3B5ECDED.C4A0937D@mitre.org>; from "Jason Andresen" on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 09:47:25 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 09:47:25 -0400, Jason Andresen wrote: > What does dmesg report as it's string. Does it look like: > > ad0: xxxxxxMB ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:48:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from serge@uralexpress.ru) Received: from unix.tcp.uralexpress.ru (unix-gw.tcp.uralexpress.ru [192.168.102.2]) by vica.uralexpress.ru (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6PDma011570 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:48:36 +0600 (ESS) Received: from uralexpress.ru (samanta.tcp.uralexpress.ru [192.168.101.12]) by unix.tcp.uralexpress.ru (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6PDmZZ07575 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:48:35 +0600 (YEKST) Message-ID: <3B5ECE33.463186E@uralexpress.ru> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:48:35 +0600 From: "Serge V. Panchencko" Organization: JSCB 'Postbank' X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: vr interface... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! I've changed my old FreeBSD box (2.2.8-S/P-166/2xD-Link EhetrNICs) to new 4.3-R/Cel733/2xD-Link PCI EtherNICs and I'm having throubles: when hight load on vr0 interfaces, this interface stopped for 1..5 min... ---dmesg.boot---- ... vr0: port 0xd800-0xd87f mem 0xdfffff80-0xdfffffff irq 12 at device 14.0 at pci0 vr0: Ethernet address: 00:80:c8:d8:96:11 miibus0: on vr0 amphy0: on miibus0 amphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto vr1: port 0xd400-0xd47f mem 0xdfffff00-0xdfffff7f irq 9 at deevice 16.0 at pci0 vr1: Ethernet address: 00:80:c8:d8:95:3d miibus1: on vr1 amphy1: on miibus1 amphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto .... ------------------ ---kernel.log---- Jul 25 16:18:05 unix /kernel: vr0: watchdog timeout Jul 25 16:20:40 unix /kernel: vr0: watchdog timeout Jul 25 16:37:41 unix /kernel: vr0: watchdog timeout ----------------- Please, help me, what means messages 'watchdog time out' and what can I do? Serge V.P. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 7:34:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nova.fnal.gov (nova.fnal.gov [131.225.121.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D513B37B638 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:28:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zingelman@fnal.gov) Received: from localhost (tez@localhost) by nova.fnal.gov (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07402; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:09:57 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nova.fnal.gov: tez owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:09:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Tim Zingelman X-Sender: To: Dimitry Andric Cc: James Satterfield , , Boris Popov Subject: SMBFS panic: malloc: wrong bucket (was: 4.3-20010721-STABLE) In-Reply-To: <6012739628.20010724230821@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a known bug, but not fixed. I worked with the maintainer, Boris Popov on it a little, but in my case it took some time between the mount and the panic, and I was not able to give him login access to the machines involved. As a result it remains unfixed. If you have a case that panics immediately and can work with him, I think he would be interested in getting this fixed. (I know I would :) - Tim On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Dimitry Andric wrote: > On 2001-07-24 at 19:49:52 James Satterfield wrote: > > JS> panic: malloc: wrong bucket > > JS> syncing disks... > > JS> Could someone give me some insight into what may have caused this? > JS> The only changes I'd made from the base install was to recompile the kernel > JS> with LIBMCHAIN and LIBICONV. > JS> I also had an SMB share mounted via smbfs. > > This seems to be caused by smbfs. I haven't been able to use it > normally for quite some time now. As soon as I smbmount any share, it > immediately panics, with the error you mentioned above. > > I'd recommend contacting the smbfs maintainer. It seems the kernel > module for smbfs is now integrated into the main sources, but you > still need to install a port. So I'm guessing it's now in some sort of > transitional status (and thus quite unstable). > > Cheers, > -- > Dimitry Andric > PGP Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~dim/dim.asc > Fingerprint: 7AB462D2CE35FC6D42394FCDB05EA30A2E2096A3 > Signature by unknown keyid: 0x2E2096A3 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 7:38: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from coconut.itojun.org (coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AD737B7C8 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:24:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from itojun.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075AD4B21; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:03:40 +0900 (JST) To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: daniel.sobral's message of Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:21:16 -0300. <3B5DD8BC.8010601@tcoip.com.br> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: Completely unstable -stable (IPSEC) From: itojun@iijlab.net Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:03:39 +0900 Message-ID: <12323.996069819@itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >(message Bcc=B4ed to -net) > >I have a 4.3-STABLE (cvsupped a few times this week already) which will=20 >crash within hours (and then never get to a second succesful boot).=20 >4.3-RELEASE works fine with the same kernel. this must be due to some locking changes (or could be insufficient locking in some of the ipsec code path, and it became apparent due to some locking changes). itojun >so=3D0xc912a540, > error=3D0xca532dd0) at /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ipsec.c:258 >#24 0xc01aca09 in ipsec4_in_reject_so (m=3D0xc0885800, so=3D0xc912a540) > at /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ipsec.c:1715 >#25 0xc019fd6a in rip_input (m=3D0xc0885d00, off=3D20, proto=3D89) > at /usr/src/sys/netinet/raw_ip.c:144 >#26 0xc019a6d0 in ip_input (m=3D0xc0885d00) at=20 >/usr/src/sys/netinet/ip_input.c:820 >#27 0xc019a747 in ipintr () at /usr/src/sys/netinet/ip_input.c:848 >#28 0xc020c995 in swi_net_next () >#29 0xc01af9a0 in key_newsp () at /usr/src/sys/netkey/key.c:1196 >#30 0xc01ac290 in ipsec_init_policy (so=3D0xc912a540, pcb_sp=3D0xc99ead28= >) > at /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ipsec.c:1128 >#31 0xc01a0373 in rip_attach (so=3D0xc912a540, proto=3D89, p=3D0xc8d1cdc0= >) > at /usr/src/sys/netinet/raw_ip.c:490 >#32 0xc0161c4a in socreate (dom=3D2, aso=3D0xca532f2c, type=3D3, proto=3D= >89,=20 >p=3D0xc8d1cdc0) > at /usr/src/sys/kern/uipc_socket.c:163 >#33 0xc016569b in socket (p=3D0xc8d1cdc0, uap=3D0xca532f80) > at /usr/src/sys/kern/uipc_syscalls.c:120 >#34 0xc0216e65 in syscall2 (frame=3D{tf_fs =3D 47, tf_es =3D 47, tf_ds =3D= > 47,=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 7:50:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD96237B6D6 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:37:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D64D3E2F; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:37:34 -0700 (PDT) To: "Nuno Teixeira" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What FTPd FreeBSD uses? In-Reply-To: <011901c10f8c$4be2aff0$0c00a8c0@qnuno>; from nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com on "Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:19:38 +0100" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:37:34 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010725143734.8D64D3E2F@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Nuno Teixeira" writes: > Hello to all, > > 1. > The ftpd FreeBSD distribution is FTP verion 6.00 LS. > > I noted that ftp.freebsd.org uses an FTP version DG-4.1.73 > > What the differences between the two ftpds? They are not related. IIRC the latter isn't available to the public. > 2. I'll let someone else answer this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 7:51:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from exch.cds-master.cdocs.com (exchange.cdocs.com [208.217.167.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE5537B692 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:49:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from WASmith@cdocs.com) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:53:49 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! Thread-Index: AcEUkpcagUjnsycTRfC0sF8vfj6tjwAespCQ From: "Smith, Warren" To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG IMHO FreeBSD works great as a server AND a workstation. I moved from Windoze to FreeBSD on my desktop about 2 years ago and have never looked back. At the ISP I used to work for, our sysadmin had migrated all of our Linux servers to FreeBSD. Our initial move to FreeBSD was prompted by security and reliability issues with the Linux distribution we were running. FreeBSD was rock-solid in both areas "out-of-the-box". Had that not been the case, we probably would have continued using Linux. Sysinstall options that make installing a "workstation" a little more convenient would be nice, but I would hate to see the "default" install for FreeBSD be any more "workstation" slanted. The server-centric nature of FreeBSD is the whole reason I even know about what has become my favorite OS. -- Warren Smith Analyst/Programmer -----Original Message----- From: Sung Nae Cho [mailto:sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 5:41 PM To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! Hi, This is regarding that recent performance issue (Linux, Windows, FreeBSD, Solaris). I don't care what you (people who are so stuck up with stability) think, I use FreeBSD as a desktop and I need performance! I have "async" otpion turned on in my /etc/fstab, I'm glad the FreeBSD by default enables the write cache for my hard disks. Come on, wake up! FreeBSD is no longer for some dorky server administrator who does nothing but chewing on snickers bar sitting in corner of some room full of racks and HDD's. And, I bet most people use FreeBSD for desktop use, not as server use! I've shut down the computer by plugging the power plug out just because I was upset or not in the moeed and all it cost me was some extra time booting due to file system check. I've never had any of my files, emails or anything like that being lost due to cold shutting my computer. I'm sick of this server administrators always crying for stability. If FreeBSD won't take use of all the capabilities offered in todays hard drives, I won't be using it! I'll switch right over to Linux. Come on, desktop is the king and FreeBSD should focus itself evolving in desktop market. If you gonna whine about stability, go back to FreeBSD 2.x, 3.x. For me, FreeBSD 4.x, 5.x should be more desktop oriented, and desktops need performance!!!!! Sung N. Cho To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 7:51:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from coconut.itojun.org (coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AD737B7C8 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:24:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from itojun.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075AD4B21; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:03:40 +0900 (JST) To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: daniel.sobral's message of Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:21:16 -0300. <3B5DD8BC.8010601@tcoip.com.br> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: Completely unstable -stable (IPSEC) From: itojun@iijlab.net Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:03:39 +0900 Message-ID: <12323.996069819@itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >(message Bcc=B4ed to -net) > >I have a 4.3-STABLE (cvsupped a few times this week already) which will=20 >crash within hours (and then never get to a second succesful boot).=20 >4.3-RELEASE works fine with the same kernel. this must be due to some locking changes (or could be insufficient locking in some of the ipsec code path, and it became apparent due to some locking changes). itojun >so=3D0xc912a540, > error=3D0xca532dd0) at /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ipsec.c:258 >#24 0xc01aca09 in ipsec4_in_reject_so (m=3D0xc0885800, so=3D0xc912a540) > at /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ipsec.c:1715 >#25 0xc019fd6a in rip_input (m=3D0xc0885d00, off=3D20, proto=3D89) > at /usr/src/sys/netinet/raw_ip.c:144 >#26 0xc019a6d0 in ip_input (m=3D0xc0885d00) at=20 >/usr/src/sys/netinet/ip_input.c:820 >#27 0xc019a747 in ipintr () at /usr/src/sys/netinet/ip_input.c:848 >#28 0xc020c995 in swi_net_next () >#29 0xc01af9a0 in key_newsp () at /usr/src/sys/netkey/key.c:1196 >#30 0xc01ac290 in ipsec_init_policy (so=3D0xc912a540, pcb_sp=3D0xc99ead28= >) > at /usr/src/sys/netinet6/ipsec.c:1128 >#31 0xc01a0373 in rip_attach (so=3D0xc912a540, proto=3D89, p=3D0xc8d1cdc0= >) > at /usr/src/sys/netinet/raw_ip.c:490 >#32 0xc0161c4a in socreate (dom=3D2, aso=3D0xca532f2c, type=3D3, proto=3D= >89,=20 >p=3D0xc8d1cdc0) > at /usr/src/sys/kern/uipc_socket.c:163 >#33 0xc016569b in socket (p=3D0xc8d1cdc0, uap=3D0xca532f80) > at /usr/src/sys/kern/uipc_syscalls.c:120 >#34 0xc0216e65 in syscall2 (frame=3D{tf_fs =3D 47, tf_es =3D 47, tf_ds =3D= > 47,=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 7:53:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from host213-123-130-185.in-addr.btopenworld.com (host213-123-130-185.in-addr.btopenworld.com [213.123.130.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 676D037B444 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:48:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dominic@host213-123-130-185.in-addr.btopenworld.com) Received: (from dominic@localhost) by host213-123-130-185.in-addr.btopenworld.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6PEnXx82016; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:49:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dominic) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:49:32 +0100 From: Dominic Marks To: "Serge V. Panchencko" Cc: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: vr interface... Message-ID: <20010725154932.C648@btinternet.com> References: <3B5ECE33.463186E@uralexpress.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B5ECE33.463186E@uralexpress.ru>; from serge@uralexpress.ru on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 07:48:35PM +0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 07:48:35PM +0600, Serge V. Panchencko wrote: [snip] I have the same network cards. They are absolute crap the best thing to do is replace them as they do not work well. The only solution I have come up with is a horrible, but effective hack: http://freebsd.dukesofhazzard.co.uk/index.php?s_id=9#10 > Serge V.P. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message Dominic Marks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 7:54:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from euphoria.confusion.net (dementia.confusion.net [205.166.119.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB71D37B623; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:50:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@euphoria.confusion.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by euphoria.confusion.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f6PEnvo29839; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:49:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Laurence Berland To: "Derek C." Cc: Sung Nae Cho , Jordan Hubbard , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Okay! Accept my sincerely apology. Didn't see that from handbook. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010724222221.02edfe80@mail.blarg.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG freebsd-chat methinks? I'm not on chat, so /me ducks if anyone from -chat doesn't like that idea... On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Derek C. wrote: > Thank you Sung. We are happy to have you here, so long as you keep the > postings on topic, and polite. If you are ever frustrated and feel the need > to rant, perhaps you should start a Yahoo! group called freebsd-rant (I'll > join it if you do)... Maybe, one day, the kind folks here at FreeBSD.org > will become hip to the need for such a forum, and open one, but until then, > we appreciate you keeping your posts on topic and friendly. > > Derek > > At 10:17 PM 7/24/2001, Sung Nae Cho wrote: > >Okay, > > > >I apologize to all FreeBSD users. I wasn't aware of the posting rule in > >handbook. Once again, my sincerely apology goes to you all. > > > >"The topic of any posting should adhere to the basic charter of the > >list it is posted to, e.g. if the list is about technical issues then > >your posting should contain technical discussion. Ongoing irrelevant > >chatter or flaming only detracts from the value of the mailing list > >for everyone on it and will not be tolerated." > > > > > >Sung N. Cho > > > > > > > > > >On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > > > OK, sorry, but play time is over and it's time for you to take your > > > pill and return to your room for the night. These nice men will help > > > you on with your special jacket so you don't hurt yourself again, OK? > > > You hear me Sung? Yes, I know about the voices telling you to post > > > these messages, I do, but we've been over all that BEFORE Sung! Bad > > > Sung! You know what happens when you post bad thoughts to the mailing > > > lists, remember? It's in the handbook charters we read every morning > > > when we get up, isn't it Sung? Can you tell me what those rules are? > > > Come on Sung, we know those rules don't we? Yes we do, we read them > > > in the handbook, can we say them now? Very good, let's say them > > > together: > > > > > > "The topic of any posting should adhere to the basic charter of the > > > list it is posted to, e.g. if the list is about technical issues then > > > your posting should contain technical discussion. Ongoing irrelevant > > > chatter or flaming only detracts from the value of the mailing list > > > for everyone on it and will not be tolerated." > > > > > > Now Sung, you know these rules and you know what the nice men have to > > > do when you don't follow them, don't you? Yes, they have to insist. > > > We don't like it when they have to insist, do we Sung? No we don't. > > > We don't like it at all. We don't let you post to the mailing lists > > > anymore when that happens, do we Sung? That's right. We have to ban > > > Sung. Be a good Sung and stay away from the mailing lists when the > > > voices are telling you bad things, just like we told you, OK Sung? > > > The nice men don't want to have to insist. Good Sung! The nice > > > men will take you to your room now, go with them. That's right. > > > Bye bye Sung! > > > > > > [Whew! Thank god for Lithium and sendmail access lists, that's > > > all I've got to say!] > > > > > > From: Sung Nae Cho > > > Subject: Bullshit! Mac OS X is not FreeBSD. Get real please. > > > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:36:06 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > > > Okay, don't give me crap like I'm troll or anything stupid for I'm > > FreeBSD > > > > user. But, I think there is a double standards in BSD community. First > > > > of all, MAC OS X is not FreeBSD. How can it be a FreeBSD if it has > > > > totally different core except that it has a FreeBSD user land commands? > > > > Or, have I heard this wrong? 2nd, I personally don't see the difference > > > > between APPLE and MICROSOFT. At least Microsoft doesn't pretend to be > > > > friends with Open Sourced Community. APPLE is bullshit company. It > > > > builds an OS based on Open Source and they're making it a proprietary. > > > > That's bullshit! 3rd, OS X is a one crappy OS I've ever seen! Infact, > > > > most APPLE users have gone back to OS 9 because OS X requires them to buy > > > > all the softwares (Office suites...etc) built for OS X since the > > emulation > > > > is terrible and utterally useless (TOO DAMN SLOW!). > > > > > > > > It's also bullshit that FreeBSD community cannot throw away it's > > pride and > > > > accept the defeat and try to learn from it. We all heard that in recent > > > > benchmark, both Linux 2.4 and Windows 2000 kick FreeBSD butt in > > > > performance. FreeBSDers complained so they did the test again with all > > > > the optimizations enabled and FreeBSD still couldn't beat both Windows > > > > 2000 and Linux 2.4 (not to mention, Linux 2.4 and Win 2000 didn't even > > > > receive special treat for getting tuned.) Come one people! Let's > > cut the > > > > bull shit and get real. I'm sick of this idiots just saying this and > > that > > > > without actually contributing anything to FreeBSD development. I hope > > > > FreeBSD 5.x does a milestone just like Linux 2.4 and Windows 2000 did. > > > > Also, don't give me the crap like Windows 2000 and Linux are unstable! > > > > I've tried em and Windows 2000 is a totally different beast than any > > > > previous Windows (2000 is stable as a rock!). So is Linux. Linux 2.4 is > > > > even stabler! > > > > > > > > Why then do I use FreeBSD? I use FreeBSD not because it's better than > > > > Linux or Windows 2000, not because it has better hardware support than > > > > Linux or Windows, but just because I like the consistent layout of the > > > > file structures. Redhat seems to move around files on every release. > > > > Also, ports collections seem to be handy when I'm not in mood to compile > > > > manually (not that I can't do it in Linux). I wish FreeBSD 5.x finally > > > > get support for my new Kensington USB (OPTICAL) mouse on my Laptop! I > > > > don't know about FreeBSD hardware support on desktops, but laptop > > hardware > > > > support is simply not impressive! I'm not about to go back to wheel > > based mouse > > > > (got tired of cleaning wheels). > > > > > > > > I hope this doesn't offend anyone. (Just got tired of listening to crap!) > > > > > > > > Sung N. Cho > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > Laurence Berland http://www.isp.northwestern.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 7:55:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from thehousleys.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.224.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31CE37B699 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:49:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by thehousleys.net (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f6PEn0437243; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:49:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jim@Thehousleys.net) Received: from Thehousleys.net (baby.int.thehousleys.net [192.168.0.24]) (authenticated) by thehousleys.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6PEmwq37232; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:48:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jim@Thehousleys.net) Message-ID: <3B5EDC4F.D9364C51@Thehousleys.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:48:47 -0400 From: James Housley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Serge V. Panchencko" Cc: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: vr interface... References: <3B5ECE33.463186E@uralexpress.ru> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms1B2EC950194CDAB5A271AF89" X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms1B2EC950194CDAB5A271AF89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Serge V. Panchencko" wrote: > > Hello! > > I've changed my old FreeBSD box (2.2.8-S/P-166/2xD-Link > EhetrNICs) to new 4.3-R/Cel733/2xD-Link PCI EtherNICs and > I'm having throubles: when hight load on vr0 interfaces, > this interface stopped for 1..5 min... > I had similar problems starting somewhere about 3.5. My only solution was to replace it with a different NIC. Jim -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign . \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . X - NO Word docs in e-mail . / \ ----------------------------------------------------------------- jeh@FreeBSD.org http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power to Serve jim@TheHousleys.Net http://www.TheHousleys.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. 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Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:56:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Martin.Kraemer@fujitsu-siemens.com) Received: from trulli.pdb.fsc.net ([172.25.96.20]) by nixpbe.pdb.sbs.de (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6NCuIH03464 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:56:23 +0200 Received: from deejai2.mch.fsc.net (deejai2.mch.fsc.net [172.25.124.236]) by trulli.pdb.fsc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10294 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:56:17 +0200 Received: (from martin@localhost) by deejai2.mch.fsc.net (8.11.4/8.11.1) id f6NCuHo16679 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:56:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from martin) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:51:15 +0200 From: Martin Kraemer To: dillon@earth.backplane.com, konecny@web.markiza.sk Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Continuing ahc problems - also cause fxp failure Message-ID: <20010720105115.A80517@deejai2.mch.fsc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-Organization: Fujitsu Siemens Computers (Muenchen, Germany) X-Disclaimer: THE COMMENTS CONTAINED IN THIS MESSAGE REFLECT THE VIEWS OF THE WRITER AND ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE VIEWS OF FUJITSU-SIEMENS COMPUTERS X-No-Junk-Mail: I do not want to get *any* junk mail. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Matt, Vladislav, Sorry for bothering you with this, but you seemed to be the most knowledgeable people about this -- I upgraded from 4.2-STABLE to 4.3-STABLE this week (also cvsup'ed the latter to include fixes, and made world and a kernel with i4b). Since going to 4.3, I see the same messages as you did, first with the on-board aic7880, now with a 2940uw card. Upgrading its bios from 1.23/1.34.3 to 22.0 did not change anything. The bug is unrelated to the disk drive, it appears on da0 as well as on da1. Repeat: I *never* noticed these messages with the 4.2-STABLE kernel (the source of which was from the original 4.2-STABLE CD-ROM). The original thread starting in may (see http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-stable@freebsd.org/msg30014.html) seemed to have died; now I wonder if your problems really went away, and what you actually did (except upgrading the adaptec bios). Do you know whether anybody actually looked at the code, to see what may have triggered this bug in 4.2-STABLE-late and 4.3? Is there possibly a fix in -CURRENT? Who else should I ask? I only subscribed to freebsd-stable@ today, but I did not find more traces about others suffering from this problem (using google). Martin Jul 19 18:54:28 deejai2 /kernel: (da1:ahc1:0:1:0): SCB 0xe - timed out while idle, SEQADDR == 0x177 Jul 19 18:54:30 deejai2 /kernel: STACK == 0x17f, 0x189, 0x0, 0xe Jul 19 18:54:30 deejai2 /kernel: SXFRCTL0 == 0x80 Jul 19 18:54:30 deejai2 /kernel: ahc1: Dumping Card State at SEQADDR 0x177 Jul 19 18:54:31 deejai2 /kernel: SCSISEQ = 0x12, SBLKCTL = 0x2, SSTAT0 0x5 Jul 19 18:54:31 deejai2 /kernel: SCB count = 140 Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: Kernel NEXTQSCB = 111 Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: Card NEXTQSCB = 14 Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: QINFIFO entries: 14 125 2 22 122 83 64 98 Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: Waiting Queue entries: Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: Disconnected Queue entries: Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: QOUTFIFO entries: Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: Sequencer Free SCB List: 11 3 12 6 9 4 5 0 2 13 15 14 1 8 7 Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: Pending list: 98 64 83 122 22 2 125 14 Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: Kernel Free SCB list: 128 115 20 38 109 11 32 27 107 76 85 108 47 95 35 58 129 60 70 101 96 87 19 66 102 112 10 81 61 59 46 23 65 114 63 50 78 82 30 62 54 86 31 43 8 15 48 25 56 127 113 21 12 105 72 121 28 100 49 103 106 51 6 90 41 84 29 119 74 68 13 17 135 94 5 52 104 123 42 9 24 75 39 73 88 77 53 55 40 97 4 92 33 79 37 18 67 126 16 44 57 0 71 26 1 110 124 36 69 93 117 7 118 34 120 45 3 91 89 80 116 136 137 138 139 99 134 133 132 131 130 Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: Untagged Q(1): 14 Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: sg[0] - Addr 0x34b2000 : Length 1024 Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: (da1:ahc1:0:1:0): SCB 14: Immediate reset. Flags = 0x6040 Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: (da1:ahc1:0:1:0): no longer in timeout, status = 34b Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: ahc1: Issued Channel A Bus Reset. 8 SCBs aborted -- | Fujitsu Siemens Fon: +49-89-636-46021, FAX: +49-89-636-41143 | 81730 Munich, Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 8: 0:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.firstcallgroup.co.uk (dilbert.firstcallgroup.co.uk [194.203.69.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116F837B78B for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:59:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfrench@firstcallgroup.co.uk) Received: from pfrench by mailhost.firstcallgroup.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15PPs7-000HAT-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:42:47 +0100 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Telnet problem from Windows to stable from July 18th Message-Id: From: Pete French Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:42:47 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anybody seen (or has any explation for) this ?! I have a user whos login .profile consists of the line: exec bin/test.sh The script "test.sh" looks like this: #!/bin/sh echo Choose file 1 or file 2 n=`echo ${n}` FILE_NAME="" while test "${FILE_NAME}" = "" do FILE_NO=0 echo -n "Choice: " read n if test "${n}" = "1" then FILE_NAME=file1.txt fi if test "${n}" = "2" then FILE_NAME=file2.txt fi if test "${FILE_NAME}" = "" then echo ${n} is not a valid choice - please choose again fi done echo Chosen '"'${FILE_NAME}'"' sleep 1 exit (its a similfiled version of the real script- but this demonstartes the problem simply enough) The idea is that the uuser logs in and is presented with the menu from the script. They then choose 1 or 2 to select a file. This has been working for some time now, and I had almost forgotten it existed until the last upgrade to track -stable. What now happens is that if someone telnets to the box (from any windows telnet client - not just the standard telnet) and logs in then are presented with a continually scrolling screen of Choice: is not a valid choice - please choose again Choice: is not a valid choice - please choose again Choice: is not a valid choice - please choose again Choice: is not a valid choice - please choose again etc... as if the read from the inoput was always getting a blank string. This has only just started happeing, and it only happens with windows telnet clients. Interestingly, if I alter the .profile to bin/test.sh exit then the script functions fine. Does anyone have any ideas ? As both the standartd windows telnet and the commercial terminal application "reflections" behave the same then I amwondering if the problem is some incompatibility with the windows tcp/ip stack maybe ? I;d apperciate it if someone elsecould verify that it does the same on their machine too... cheers, -pcf. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 8: 1:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.firstcallgroup.co.uk (dilbert.firstcallgroup.co.uk [194.203.69.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7836C37B7A5 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:59:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfrench@firstcallgroup.co.uk) Received: from pfrench by mailhost.firstcallgroup.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15PPI9-000IXB-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:05:37 +0100 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3-20010721-STABLE In-Reply-To: <6012739628.20010724230821@xs4all.nl> Message-Id: From: Pete French Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:05:37 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This seems to be caused by smbfs. I haven't been able to use it > normally for quite some time now. As soon as I smbmount any share, it > immediately panics, with the error you mentioned above. I got that, I managed to fix it by including all 5 options into the kerenl config # For SMB support in the kernel options LIBICONV options LIBMCHAIN options NETSMB options NETSMBCRYPTO options SMBFS do this and an installkernel *after* having the smbfs port installed and it all works as expected. -pcf. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 8:13:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from imr1.ericy.com (imr1.ericy.com [208.237.135.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BC537B847 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:08:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Antoine.Beaupre@ericsson.ca) Received: from mr6.exu.ericsson.se (mr6u3.ericy.com [208.237.135.123]) by imr1.ericy.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6PE7Kp09082; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:07:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from noah.lmc.ericsson.se (noah.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.1.1]) by mr6.exu.ericsson.se (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6PE7KV07533; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:07:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se (lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.16.175]) by noah.lmc.ericsson.se (8.11.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id f6PE7JA07274; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:07:18 -0400 Received: from lmc.ericsson.se (lmcpc100455.pc.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.23.150]) by LMC37.lmc.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id PT273PYY; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:07:13 -0400 From: "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" To: Fabio Vilan Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3B5ED291.5050809@lmc.ericsson.se> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:07:13 -0400 Organization: LMC, Ericsson Research Canada User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:0.9.2+) Gecko/20010717 X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Problems with new user-ppp ? References: <005301c114be$d80a9b00$0700000a@x.gov.x.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Have you tried removing the set mru and set mtu lines? A. Fabio Vilan wrote: > Hi. > > Since my latest make world (today), my PPPoE connection trough user-ppp > doesn't work anymore. I've been using it for a time, no problems whatsoever > before. > > show version in the new (broken) ==> 2.3.2 - Jul 24 2001 > show version in the old (working) ==> 2.3.1 - Jun 26 2001 > > *Seems* to be a problem in the ppp program iteself (/usr/sbin/ppp), > as if I get back to the older version, everything works again. > > The /var/log/ppp.log shows : > ... > deflink: login -> lcp > deflink: Too many LCP REQs sent - abandoning negotiation > deflink: Disconnected! > ... > > My /etc/ppp/ppp.conf (that works with the old version) > ... > default: > set device PPPoE:ed0:ISP > enable lqr > enable tcpmssfixup > > set lqrperiod 6 > set mru 1492 > set mtu 1492 > set timeout 0 > set log phase tun > nat enable yes > add default HISADDR > > set authname ***** > set authkey ***** > ... > > I've also noticed that many other people have already found some other > problems > with this new ppp program in this very same list (freebsd-stable), saw many > tricks > to try to fix the problem, but none of them worked with me. > > Btw I haven't found any change in the PPP(8) manpage with this new version, > so > I don't believe it to be a configuration problem (may be... but...) > > Thanks > Duwde > duwde@duwde.com.br > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- Antoine Beaupré Jambala TCM team Ericsson Canada inc. mailto:antoine.beaupre@ericsson.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 8:21:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from enterprise.sd73.bc.ca (unknown [207.23.161.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B07037B8A3 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:16:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fcash@bigfoot.com) Received: from darkside.lab.sd73.bc.ca (romulus-net.sd73.bc.ca [207.23.161.23]) by enterprise.sd73.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA30814 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:21:06 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Freddie Cash Reply-To: fcash@bigfoot.com To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Regarding hw.ata.wc="1"...... Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:20:10 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3B5D94E7.4680ACEF@mitre.org> <20010724110853.A5479@mikea.ath.cx> In-Reply-To: <20010724110853.A5479@mikea.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01072409201000.00548@darkside.lab.sd73.bc.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On July 24, 2001 09:08 am, you wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 08:53:02AM -0700, Mike Hoskins wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Jason Andresen wrote: > > > A sysinstall prompt would be nice though. An even nicer option > > > would be a little menu on the diskLabel part of the install that > > > asks what options you want to enable on the filesystem when you > > > create it (softupdates, etc...). > > Not a bad idea... should be much easier to implement since > > softupdates became more 'standard' (no more licensing issues). :) > There is now an option in sysinstall's disk label editor to turn > softupdates on. This is on a machine cvsupped on July 7 this > year. I don't know when the option showed up. It's been there since at lesat 4.3R, and I'm pretty sure I remember=20 seeing it in 4.2R. --=20 Cheers, Freddie fcash@bigfoot.com Copyright: Big business uses it to lock away knowledge and software. Copyleft: Free software zealots use it prevent business from locking=20 anything up. Copycenter: Take it to the copy centre and make as many copies as you=20 need. -- paraphrased from Kirk McKusick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 8:25:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from delphinium.mine.nu (unknown [203.106.221.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D1937B6C7 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:22:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@delphinium.mine.nu) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by delphinium.mine.nu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6PFQvY03148; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:27:03 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from root@delphinium.mine.nu) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:26:56 +0800 (MYT) From: Mandy Moore To: "Duwde (Fabio Vilan Dias)" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: user-PPP broken ??? In-Reply-To: <3B5E56CD.C0BB8A6E@duwde.com.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I encountered the very same problem the last time I CVSupped on July 22nd. What I did was re-compile the kernel without the ipf ( *sighs* ) options and voila! my ppp worked as it used to be. On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Duwde (Fabio Vilan Dias) wrote: > Hi. > > Since my latest make world (today), my PPPoE connection > trough user-ppp doesn't work anymore. I've been using it > for a time, no problems whatsoever before. > > show version in the new (broken) ==> 2.3.2 - Jul 24 2001 > show version in the old (working) ==> 2.3.1 - Jun 26 2001 > > *Seems* to be a problem in the ppp program iteself > (/usr/sbin/ppp), as if I get back to the older version, > everything works again. > > The /var/log/ppp.log shows : > ... > deflink: login -> lcp > deflink: Too many LCP REQs sent - abandoning negotiation > deflink: Disconnected! > ... > > My /etc/ppp/ppp.conf (that works with the old version) > ... > default: > set device PPPoE:ed0:ISP > enable lqr > enable tcpmssfixup > > set lqrperiod 6 > set mru 1492 > set mtu 1492 > set timeout 0 > set log phase tun > nat enable yes > add default HISADDR > > set authname ***** > set authkey ***** > ... > > I've also noticed that many other people have already found > some other problems with this new ppp program in this very > same list (freebsd-stable), saw many tricks to try to fix > the problem, but none of them worked with me. > > Btw I haven't found any change in the PPP(8) manpage with > this new version, so I don't believe it to be a > configuration problem (may be... but...) > > Thanks > -- > Fabio Vilan Dias / Duwde > PGP key @ http://www.duwde.com.br/duwdepgp.asc > FP = BB35 50F2 7F83 655D 6B11 F0A2 F8E2 FF3D > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 8:29:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gate.soum.co.jp (gate.soum.co.jp [202.221.40.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A2F37B41D for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fujita@soum.co.jp) Received: from force.soum.co.jp (force.soum.co.jp [3ffe:501:80a:1:a00:20ff:fef0:4c9c]) by gate.soum.co.jp (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6PFT7A16445 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:29:07 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from fujita@soum.co.jp) Received: from vanilla.soum.co.jp (vanilla.soum.co.jp [3ffe:501:80a:1:204:76ff:fe6e:1f81]) by force.soum.co.jp (8.11.3/3.7W-2001072517) with ESMTP id f6PFT6s22689; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:29:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost [::1]) by vanilla.soum.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257473FC8; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:29:05 +0900 (JST) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: vr interface... From: FUJITA Kazutoshi In-Reply-To: <3B5ECE33.463186E@uralexpress.ru> References: <3B5ECE33.463186E@uralexpress.ru> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 =?iso-2022-jp?B?KBskQjJWMWMbKEIp?= X-PGP-PublicKey: http://www.soum.co.jp/~fujita/fujita-GnuPG-publickey.txt X-PGP-FingerPrint: 9956 2ECE 7E7D B425 EC2D D49E FEBB 3C5F 2C34 1ECA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010726002905G.fujita@soum.co.jp> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:29:05 +0900 X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 26 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "Serge V. Panchencko" Subject: vr interface... Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:48:35 +0600 Message-ID: <3B5ECE33.463186E@uralexpress.ru> > I've changed my old FreeBSD box (2.2.8-S/P-166/2xD-Link > EhetrNICs) to new 4.3-R/Cel733/2xD-Link PCI EtherNICs and > I'm having throubles: when hight load on vr0 interfaces, > this interface stopped for 1..5 min... I have another NIC which probed as "vr0", and have same problem. -- my dmesg -- ... snip vr0: port 0xa800-0xa8ff mem 0xec800000-0xec80 00ff irq 9 at device 11.0 on pci0 vr0: Ethernet address: 00:90:99:22:e0:14 miibus0: on vr0 acphy0: on miibus0 acphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto ... snip vr0: watchdog timeout Regards, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 8:54:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from snafu.adept.org (snafu.adept.org [63.201.63.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC0B37B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:54:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@adept.org) Received: by snafu.adept.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BC7489EE06; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snafu.adept.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42E29B00C; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:54:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hoskins To: Nuno Teixeira Cc: Subject: Re: What FTPd FreeBSD uses? In-Reply-To: <011901c10f8c$4be2aff0$0c00a8c0@qnuno> Message-ID: <20010725085009.O15191-100000@snafu.adept.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Nuno Teixeira wrote: > I noted that ftp.freebsd.org uses an FTP version DG-4.1.73 Yes, I believe that's one David Greenman modified for WC's use. I may be wrong, but I believe that explains the 'DG' (thought I read it somewhere). > What the differences between the two ftpds? A cursory review of the respective man pages will show some immediate differences. I've ran both, but it was a /long/ time ago when I played with ProFTP, so I can't really make current comments. > Or, what FTPd program should I use to obtain maximum security? I think a couple quick searches, along with some reading time (features, past exploits, etc.) to understand what 'features' you get from each and how much risk has historically been associated with each will provide the best answer to your question. Later, -Mike -- Log analysis mailing list: http://www.adept.org/mailinglists.html#logwatchers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 8:55:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0AD37B409 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:55:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpedras@webvolution.net) Received: from mobinho.tafkap.priv ([24.20.85.174]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010725155513.HOSO25828.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@mobinho.tafkap.priv>; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:55:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:56:19 -0700 From: Joao Pedras To: Janet Sullivan Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel pccard (xe driver) not working! Message-ID: <7910000.996076579@mobinho.tafkap.priv> In-Reply-To: <3B5E76E0.DE313161@home.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.6 (FreeBSD/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG would you mind sending me your config file ? Something is wrong because I didn't change my config file. I am able to use the card using an old kernel, so I guess this has nothing to do with the hardware. Some guy emailed me about not having is Xircom working either. --On Wednesday, July 25, 2001 00:36:00 -0700 Janet Sullivan wrote: > > I just upgraded my laptop to a 07/24 version of -stable from one about a > month old, and my xe is still working fine. > > Not a solution to your problem, I know, just an FYI. > > Joao Pedras wrote: >> >> Hello there >> >> Intel etherexpress 100 pcmcia (xe driver) is NOT working on -stable for 2 >> weeks. >> >> Did I miss something ? >> >> Tkx >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 9: 3:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from astral.isec.com.br (unknown [200.164.0.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E60337B413 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:01:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duwde@duwde.com.br) Received: (qmail 588 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 06:59:27 -0000 Received: from mobile.home.isec.com.br (HELO duwde.com.br) (10.0.0.7) by astral.home.isec.com.br with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 06:59:27 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5E6DB7.48D99E37@duwde.com.br> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:56:55 -0300 From: "Duwde (Fabio Vilan Dias)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: User-PPP broken ?!!? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi. Since my latest make world (today), my PPPoE connection trough user-ppp doesn't work anymore. I've been using it for a time, no problems whatsoever before. show version in the new (broken) ==> 2.3.2 - Jul 24 2001 show version in the old (working) ==> 2.3.1 - Jun 26 2001 *Seems* to be a problem in the ppp program iteself (/usr/sbin/ppp), as if I get back to the older version, everything works again. The /var/log/ppp.log shows : ... deflink: login -> lcp deflink: Too many LCP REQs sent - abandoning negotiation deflink: Disconnected! ... My /etc/ppp/ppp.conf (that works with the old version) ... default: set device PPPoE:ed0:ISP enable lqr enable tcpmssfixup set lqrperiod 6 set mru 1492 set mtu 1492 set timeout 0 set log phase tun nat enable yes add default HISADDR set authname ***** set authkey ***** ... I've also noticed that many other people have already found some other problems with this new ppp program in this very same list (freebsd-stable), saw many tricks to try to fix the problem, but none of them worked with me. Btw I haven't found any change in the PPP(8) manpage with this new version, so I don't believe it to be a configuration problem (may be... but...) Please, CC to me, as I'm not subscribed. -- Fabio Vilan Dias / Duwde PGP key @ http://www.duwde.com.br/duwdepgp.asc FP = BB35 50F2 7F83 655D 6B11 F0A2 F8E2 FF3D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 9: 3:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5ADF37B409; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:03:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mvh@ix.netcom.com) Received: from netcom1.netcom.com (user-2initcl.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.117.149]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10343; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by netcom1.netcom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BFE5413140; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:02:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Harding To: carlo@vis.ethz.ch Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <20010724201713.5E16E275B6@naboo.ethz.ch> (carlo@vis.ethz.ch) Subject: Re: GNU smalltalk, can't run version 1.96 References: <20010724201713.5E16E275B6@naboo.ethz.ch> Message-Id: <20010725160228.BFE5413140@netcom1.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is not entirely an answer, but check out the 'squeak' port, it's a smalltalk VM more like (identical to?) the Xerox one... - Mike H. Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:17:13 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: carlo@vis.ethz.ch (Carlo Dapor) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Dear fellow current people It is a quest for the Holy Grail I have embarked weeks ago. The harbours I have peered are: FreeBSD 4.3 and FreeBSD current. The last version I was able to build and run the tests is version 1.8.5, with some patches, both on 4.3 and current. But what I am not successfull with is neither with 1.96 or 1.95.x. I compiles on 4.3 and current, but at runtime I get a segfault. On 4.3, the offending showstopper is around the definition of primitive 184_185 (or similar), whereas on current it around the definition of primitive 203_204, I think. Interestingly, it compiles and runs smoothly on an SMP Linux 2.2.19. I also tried with gcc 3.0 on current, same result. Has anybody had more luck ? Tell me HOW, please. Ciao, derweil, -- Carlo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 9:11:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quarter.csl.sri.com (quarter.csl.sri.com [130.107.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC90B37B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:11:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gilham@csl.sri.com) Received: from snapdragon.csl.sri.com (snapdragon.csl.sri.com [130.107.19.20]) by quarter.csl.sri.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6PGAfP16264 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:10:41 -0700 Message-Id: <200107251610.f6PGAfP16264@quarter.csl.sri.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvsup In-Reply-To: Message from "Derek C." of "Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:12:21 PDT." <5.1.0.14.0.20010724221005.02ec5598@mail.blarg.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:10:41 -0700 From: Fred Gilham Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The practice I am beginning to follow (and what seems to be the most common > practice) is: > > a) cvsup weekly > b) check the -stable list daily for any interesting new merges (AKA MFC's) > c) if I see an new security fixes, or anything that sounds like it would > affect my system in a positive manner, build world. > I used to do something like this. But I finally decided that step a) is unnecessary, and the cvsup should be folded into step c). Why cvsup weekly if you're not going to build it? A good reason NOT to is that most of the time your sources won't match your system, potentially making it harder to debug your system if you have problems. Another reason is to not bog down the cvsup servers. -- Fred Gilham gilham@csl.sri.com [My tutors] got bored sooner than I, and laid down a general rule that all statements about languages had to be in a higher level language. I thereupon asked in what level of language that rule was formulated. I got a very bad report. -- J. R. Lucas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 9:12: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from naboo.ethz.ch (naboo.ethz.ch [129.132.17.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5550737B413; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:11:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carlo@vis.ethz.ch) Received: by naboo.ethz.ch (Postfix, from userid 224) id 77F09275B8; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:11:12 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: GNU smalltalk, can't run version 1.96 To: mvh@ix.netcom.com (Mike Harding) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:11:12 +0200 (CEST) Cc: carlo@vis.ethz.ch, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20010725160228.BFE5413140@netcom1.netcom.com> from "Mike Harding" at Jul 25, 2001 09:02:28 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010725161112.77F09275B8@naboo.ethz.ch> From: carlo@vis.ethz.ch (Carlo Dapor) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks, I have known and used Squeak for a long time. My ineterest in GNU Smalltalk is given to the fact that it comes with a JIT, and it has an early support for Gtk. Squeak is quite strongly Tc/Tkl-based. This is not a flame, whichever widget set is used is not saying anything bad/ good about the application as a whole. Ciao, derweil, -- Carlo > This is not entirely an answer, but check out the 'squeak' port, it's > a smalltalk VM more like (identical to?) the Xerox one... > > - Mike H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 9:15:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from technokratis.com (modemcable052.174-202-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca [24.202.174.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC2637B42A for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:15:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmilekic@technokratis.com) Received: (from bmilekic@localhost) by technokratis.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6PGIDi24340; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:18:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bmilekic) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:18:13 -0400 From: Bosko Milekic To: Sung Nae Cho Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bullshit! Mac OS X is not FreeBSD. Get real please. Message-ID: <20010725121813.B24103@technokratis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:36:06AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Go away, go away, go away, go away, go away! You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, and risk mis-informing people who read the list in hopes of actually learning something. Congratulations, though, you've earned a spot in my killfile. On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:36:06AM -0400, Sung Nae Cho wrote: > Okay, don't give me crap like I'm troll or anything stupid for I'm FreeBSD > user. But, I think there is a double standards in BSD community. First > of all, MAC OS X is not FreeBSD. How can it be a FreeBSD if it has > totally different core except that it has a FreeBSD user land commands? > Or, have I heard this wrong? 2nd, I personally don't see the difference > between APPLE and MICROSOFT. At least Microsoft doesn't pretend to be > friends with Open Sourced Community. APPLE is bullshit company. It > builds an OS based on Open Source and they're making it a proprietary. > That's bullshit! 3rd, OS X is a one crappy OS I've ever seen! Infact, > most APPLE users have gone back to OS 9 because OS X requires them to buy > all the softwares (Office suites...etc) built for OS X since the emulation > is terrible and utterally useless (TOO DAMN SLOW!). Go away. > It's also bullshit that FreeBSD community cannot throw away it's pride and > accept the defeat and try to learn from it. We all heard that in recent > benchmark, both Linux 2.4 and Windows 2000 kick FreeBSD butt in > performance. FreeBSDers complained so they did the test again with all > the optimizations enabled and FreeBSD still couldn't beat both Windows > 2000 and Linux 2.4 (not to mention, Linux 2.4 and Win 2000 didn't even > receive special treat for getting tuned.) Come one people! Let's cut the > bull shit and get real. I'm sick of this idiots just saying this and that > without actually contributing anything to FreeBSD development. I hope > FreeBSD 5.x does a milestone just like Linux 2.4 and Windows 2000 did. > Also, don't give me the crap like Windows 2000 and Linux are unstable! > I've tried em and Windows 2000 is a totally different beast than any > previous Windows (2000 is stable as a rock!). So is Linux. Linux 2.4 is > even stabler! Go away. > Why then do I use FreeBSD? I use FreeBSD not because it's better than > Linux or Windows 2000, not because it has better hardware support than > Linux or Windows, but just because I like the consistent layout of the > file structures. Redhat seems to move around files on every release. > Also, ports collections seem to be handy when I'm not in mood to compile > manually (not that I can't do it in Linux). I wish FreeBSD 5.x finally > get support for my new Kensington USB (OPTICAL) mouse on my Laptop! I > don't know about FreeBSD hardware support on desktops, but laptop hardware > support is simply not impressive! I'm not about to go back to wheel based mouse > (got tired of cleaning wheels). > > I hope this doesn't offend anyone. (Just got tired of listening to crap!) Go away. > Sung N. Cho Go away, -- Bosko Milekic bmilekic@technokratis.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 9:21:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quarter.csl.sri.com (quarter.csl.sri.com [130.107.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22EA237B42A for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gilham@csl.sri.com) Received: from snapdragon.csl.sri.com (snapdragon.csl.sri.com [130.107.19.20]) by quarter.csl.sri.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6PGKpP17165 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:20:51 -0700 Message-Id: <200107251620.f6PGKpP17165@quarter.csl.sri.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! In-Reply-To: Message from Kal Torak of "Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:10:36 +1000." <3B5E70EC.2855F1CB@quake.com.au> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:20:51 -0700 From: Fred Gilham Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kai Torak writes: > FreeBSD works great as a desktop O/S!? Sure you have to tweek and > tune it to be a good server or a good desktop, but who actualy > expects an O/S to do exactly what you want "out of the box" without > having to tweek it for that job? For desktop we have all these usb > things and stuff, I mean what more do you want? Examples of what > exactly is wrong would probably help, but since this is just a > great big troll I guess it has no base in reality... A suggestion: post your tweaks. That might help people who want to run FreeBSD on the desktop and stimulate discussion on what are good optimizations for FreeBSD-STABLE. Personally, over time I've found that the desktop is almost always fast enough, and that responsiveness and stability are more important than the speed of any particular operation. At one point I was coming in to work each morning and rebooting my system because I was following CURRENT with SMP and it was REALLY unstable. I didn't enjoy the experience and even backed up to STABLE for a while even though it didn't have SMP at the time. The cheapest, most effective solution for speed problems these days is almost always to buy faster hardware. --- Fred Gilham gilham@csl.sri.com "Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." --Jesus of Nazareth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 9:28:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from coconut.itojun.org (coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3743337B408 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:27:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from itojun.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194664B27; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:26:44 +0900 (JST) To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: daniel.sobral's message of Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:21:16 -0300. <3B5DD8BC.8010601@tcoip.com.br> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: Completely unstable -stable (IPSEC) From: itojun@iijlab.net Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:26:44 +0900 Message-ID: <13678.996078404@itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I have a 4.3-STABLE (cvsupped a few times this week already) which will=20 >crash within hours (and then never get to a second succesful boot).=20 >4.3-RELEASE works fine with the same kernel. after more diagnosis - it is a KAME bug, made apparent by recent locking changes. investigation/fixes are still ongoing. thank you for your patience. itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 9:31:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web14609.mail.yahoo.com (web14609.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52AB137B408 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:31:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from just6979@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010725163111.71103.qmail@web14609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.91.221.173] by web14609.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:31:11 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:31:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Justin White Reply-To: jowhite@bigfoot.com Subject: Re: Buildworld on Athlon, NFS installworld on Pentium To: ALing Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3B5EAE16.D9651240@capu.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- ALing wrote: > Hope this isn't a FAQ, but couldn't find anything directly in > archives, > handbook, etc. I'd like to buildworld on a more recent Athlon, then > NFS > installworld on an ancient Pentium I, which is still running FreeBSD > 3.4 > It doesn't seem that there should be any special problems with this, > but > just thought I'd ask before having to make world entirely on the > Pentium. > TIA, > Alex there is a good article about doing just that on the FreeBsd Diary. http://www.freebsddiary.org/makeworld-2boxes.php is the one (what do you know, it was in my browser history. :-P although i haven't actually done it yet, the sysinstall isn't finding my PCMCIA NIC yet :-/ ) -justin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 9:43:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bunrab.catwhisker.org (adsl-63-193-123-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.123.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D1D37B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:43:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@catwhisker.org) Received: (from david@localhost) by bunrab.catwhisker.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6PGgxm95395; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:42:59 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200107251642.f6PGgxm95395@bunrab.catwhisker.org> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, gilham@csl.sri.com Subject: Re: cvsup In-Reply-To: <200107251610.f6PGAfP16264@quarter.csl.sri.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:10:41 -0700 >From: Fred Gilham >> a) cvsup weekly >> b) check the -stable list daily for any interesting new merges (AKA MFC's) >> c) if I see an new security fixes, or anything that sounds like it would >> affect my system in a positive manner, build world. >I used to do something like this. But I finally decided that step a) >is unnecessary, and the cvsup should be folded into step c). Why >cvsup weekly if you're not going to build it? A good reason NOT to is >that most of the time your sources won't match your system, >potentially making it harder to debug your system if you have >problems. It depends. For example, one of the things it depends on is whether you're using CVSup to update your sources directly, vs. maintaining a local CVS repository. Also, there are a lot of MFCs that are not announced in -stable. You will find them in cvs-all, however. Much of "why" one might choose one approach over another is related to the purpose(s) behind maintaining the system(s) in question -- and different people maintain different systems at different times for different reasons. :-) >Another reason is to not bog down the cvsup servers. Although this has significant merit, I suspect that the effect may well be rather different from your expectations. In particular, finding a good combination of an appropriate mirror and time-of-day to run CVSup can be helpful. (It's nice if folks don't gang up on a given mirror, for example.) I set up my script for running CVSup (which I use to maintain a local mirror of the CVS repository on a daily basis; it thus includes src-all, ports-all, and doc-all) to log when it starts & stops (as well as which mirror it used) -- the intent being that I'd have some clue to be able to report in the (rather unlikely) event that there was something wrong with the process. Here's a "tail" of that log: m147[1] tail /var/log/cvsup-history.log CVSup begin from cvsup14.freebsd.org at Sat Jul 21 16:06:46 PDT 2001 CVSup ended from cvsup14.freebsd.org at Sat Jul 21 16:13:46 PDT 2001 CVSup begin from cvsup14.freebsd.org at Sun Jul 22 03:47:01 PDT 2001 CVSup ended from cvsup14.freebsd.org at Sun Jul 22 03:52:39 PDT 2001 CVSup begin from cvsup14.freebsd.org at Mon Jul 23 03:47:00 PDT 2001 CVSup ended from cvsup14.freebsd.org at Mon Jul 23 03:54:28 PDT 2001 CVSup begin from cvsup14.freebsd.org at Tue Jul 24 03:47:01 PDT 2001 CVSup ended from cvsup14.freebsd.org at Tue Jul 24 03:53:29 PDT 2001 CVSup begin from cvsup14.freebsd.org at Wed Jul 25 03:47:00 PDT 2001 CVSup ended from cvsup14.freebsd.org at Wed Jul 25 03:52:54 PDT 2001 m147[2] (I encountered a problem building something on Saturday, and noted (via cvs-all) that a fix had been committed. Rather than hand-apply the fix, I just re-CVSupped, then re-did my local "cvs update".) But as you can see, the process doesn't generally take a terribly long time. (As for my reasons: I'm actually trying to build each of -STABLE and -CURRENT (on the same hardware) daily, with the intent to help identify (and maybe fix -- though that's a lot rarer than I'd like) problems either building or using the software. I'm also experimenting a little, testing changes that folks make available when I can.) Cheers, david -- David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 9:56: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com [213.105.93.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F5837B406 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:55:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ianjhart@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) Received: (from root@localhost) by pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6PGtWE11721; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:55:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ianjhart@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from freeloader.freeserve.co.uk (alpha.private [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated) by pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (8.11.3/8.11.3av) with ESMTP id f6PGtOq11714; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:55:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ianjhart@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) Message-ID: <3B5EF9FC.59D74A05@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:55:24 +0100 From: ian j hart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Gilham Cc: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: cvsup References: <200107251610.f6PGAfP16264@quarter.csl.sri.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Fred Gilham wrote: > > > The practice I am beginning to follow (and what seems to be the most common > > practice) is: > > > > a) cvsup weekly > > b) check the -stable list daily for any interesting new merges (AKA MFC's) > > c) if I see an new security fixes, or anything that sounds like it would > > affect my system in a positive manner, build world. > > > > I used to do something like this. But I finally decided that step a) > is unnecessary, and the cvsup should be folded into step c). Why > cvsup weekly if you're not going to build it? A good reason NOT to is > that most of the time your sources won't match your system, > potentially making it harder to debug your system if you have > problems. Another reason is to not bog down the cvsup servers. Not to mention the fact that you cannot rebuild the kernel until you {build,install}world. By the principle of an infinite number of monkeys, you will at some point forget and shoot yourself in the foot. A local copy of the source repository is "the answer to everything"(TM). Useful^n. My 0.02 euro, don't update source tree without build world. > > -- > Fred Gilham gilham@csl.sri.com > [My tutors] got bored sooner than I, and laid down a general rule > that all statements about languages had to be in a higher level > language. I thereupon asked in what level of language that rule was > formulated. I got a very bad report. -- J. R. Lucas > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- ian j hart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10: 2:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com [213.105.93.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56C637B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:02:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ianjhart@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) Received: (from root@localhost) by pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6PH26N11769; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:02:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ianjhart@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from freeloader.freeserve.co.uk (alpha.private [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated) by pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (8.11.3/8.11.3av) with ESMTP id f6PH1wq11762; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:01:58 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ianjhart@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) Message-ID: <3B5EFB86.9BFD9E5F@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:01:58 +0100 From: ian j hart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olivier Cortes Cc: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Buildworld on Athlon, NFS installworld on Pentium References: <3B5EAE16.D9651240@capu.net> <20010725134804.H85594@APastourelles-102-1-2-26.abo.wa> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Olivier Cortes wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 07:31:34AM -0400, ALing wrote: > > Hope this isn't a FAQ, but couldn't find anything directly in > > archives, > > handbook, etc. I'd like to buildworld on a more recent Athlon, then NFS > > installworld on an ancient Pentium I, which is still running FreeBSD 3.4 > > It doesn't seem that there should be any special problems with this, but > > just thought I'd ask before having to make world entirely on the > > Pentium. > > i don't think it is in faq, but some people have written articles on that. > it is possible to do it. > > just beware of CPU settings in your /etc/make.conf. > > there's something else, but i can't remember what. find the articles on google or freebsd.org. make.conf the same on both machines and mount points (usr/obj) the same on both machines? > > olive > > --- > Olivier Cortes > free software admin > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- ian j hart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10: 6:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com [213.105.93.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C698E37B406 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:06:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ianjhart@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) Received: (from root@localhost) by pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6PH6I511784; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:06:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ianjhart@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from freeloader.freeserve.co.uk (alpha.private [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated) by pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (8.11.3/8.11.3av) with ESMTP id f6PH6Bq11777; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:06:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ianjhart@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) Message-ID: <3B5EFC83.EA1CACDB@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:06:11 +0100 From: ian j hart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Wolfskill Cc: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: cvsup References: <200107251700.f6PH0te95448@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Wolfskill wrote: > > >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:55:24 +0100 > >From: ian j hart > > >Not to mention the fact that you cannot rebuild the kernel until > >you {build,install}world. By the principle of an infinite number of > >monkeys, you will at some point forget and shoot yourself in the foot. > > Please note that the order (per /usr/src/UPDATING) has been: > > make buildworld > make buildkernel > make installkernel > make installworld > mergemaster > > for a while now. (The "make {build,install}kernel" step may be > collapsed into "make kernel".) My bad. Typing quicker than my brain. :) > > >A local copy of the source repository is "the answer to everything"(TM). > >Useful^n. > > Whole-heartedly agreed. :-) (I didn't mention -- in my response to > Fred's post -- that the system I was using for the activity in question > was my laptop.) > > Cheers, > david > -- > David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org > As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to > advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal > amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product. -- ian j hart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:12:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1526237B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:12:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@earth.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) id f6PHCCx45487; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:12:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:12:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200107251712.f6PHCCx45487@earth.backplane.com> To: Martin Kraemer Cc: konecny@web.markiza.sk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Continuing ahc problems - also cause fxp failure References: <20010720105115.A80517@deejai2.mch.fsc.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Hi Matt, Vladislav, : :Sorry for bothering you with this, but you seemed to be the most :knowledgeable people about this -- :I upgraded from 4.2-STABLE to 4.3-STABLE this week (also cvsup'ed :the latter to include fixes, and made world and a kernel with i4b). :Since going to 4.3, I see the same messages as you did, first with the :on-board aic7880, now with a 2940uw card. Upgrading its bios from :1.23/1.34.3 to 22.0 did not change anything. The bug is :unrelated to the disk drive, it appears on da0 as well as on da1. :Repeat: I *never* noticed these messages with the 4.2-STABLE kernel :(the source of which was from the original 4.2-STABLE CD-ROM). : :The original thread starting in may (see :http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-stable@freebsd.org/msg30014.html) :seemed to have died; now I wonder if your problems really went away, :and what you actually did (except upgrading the adaptec bios). :Do you know whether anybody actually looked at the code, to see what :may have triggered this bug in 4.2-STABLE-late and 4.3? :Is there possibly a fix in -CURRENT? Who else should I ask? : :I only subscribed to freebsd-stable@ today, but I did not find more :traces about others suffering from this problem (using google). Hmm. Well, that last conversation seemed to come to a concensus that a known thermal problem with a chip on my DELL motherboard related to heavy use of the on-board adaptec and on-board ethernet might have been the cause. I replaced the motherboard and moved away from the on-board ethernet (threw in another PCI card), and the problem went away. I don't know if your problem below is the same problem or a different problem. It sounds like it may be a different problem. -Matt : Martin :Jul 19 18:54:28 deejai2 /kernel: (da1:ahc1:0:1:0): SCB 0xe - timed out while idle, SEQADDR == 0x177 :Jul 19 18:54:30 deejai2 /kernel: STACK == 0x17f, 0x189, 0x0, 0xe :Jul 19 18:54:30 deejai2 /kernel: SXFRCTL0 == 0x80 :Jul 19 18:54:30 deejai2 /kernel: ahc1: Dumping Card State at SEQADDR 0x177 :Jul 19 18:54:31 deejai2 /kernel: SCSISEQ = 0x12, SBLKCTL = 0x2, SSTAT0 0x5 :Jul 19 18:54:31 deejai2 /kernel: SCB count = 140 :Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: Kernel NEXTQSCB = 111 :Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: Card NEXTQSCB = 14 :Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: QINFIFO entries: 14 125 2 22 122 83 64 98 :Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: Waiting Queue entries: :Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: Disconnected Queue entries: :Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: QOUTFIFO entries: :Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: Sequencer Free SCB List: 11 3 12 6 9 4 5 0 2 13 15 14 1 8 7 :Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: Pending list: 98 64 83 122 22 2 125 14 :Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: Kernel Free SCB list: 128 115 20 38 109 11 32 27 107 76 85 108 47 95 35 58 129 60 70 101 96 87 19 66 102 112 10 81 61 59 46 23 65 114 63 50 78 82 30 62 54 86 31 43 8 15 48 25 56 127 113 21 12 105 72 121 28 100 49 103 106 51 6 90 41 84 29 119 74 68 13 17 135 94 5 52 104 123 42 9 24 75 39 73 88 77 53 55 40 97 4 92 33 79 37 18 67 126 16 44 57 0 71 26 1 110 124 36 69 93 117 7 118 34 120 45 3 91 89 80 116 136 137 138 139 99 134 133 132 131 130 :Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: Untagged Q(1): 14 :Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: sg[0] - Addr 0x34b2000 : Length 1024 :Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: (da1:ahc1:0:1:0): SCB 14: Immediate reset. Flags = 0x6040 :Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: (da1:ahc1:0:1:0): no longer in timeout, status = 34b :Jul 19 18:54:32 deejai2 /kernel: ahc1: Issued Channel A Bus Reset. 8 SCBs aborted :-- : | Fujitsu Siemens :Fon: +49-89-636-46021, FAX: +49-89-636-41143 | 81730 Munich, Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:27:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from msgbas1t.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1tx.cos.agilent.com [192.6.9.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844B637B407 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:27:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrylo@soco.agilent.com) Received: from msgrel1.cos.agilent.com (msgrel1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.77]) by msgbas1t.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5DEE6B for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:27:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (mina.soco.agilent.com [141.121.54.157]) by msgrel1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B9F2F1 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:27:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.soco.agilent.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3 SMKit7.1.1_Agilent) with ESMTP id KAA27616 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107251727.KAA27616@mina.soco.agilent.com> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: TAKE IT ELSEWHERE! Reply-To: Darryl Okahata Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.6) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:27:17 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Abridged version: OK, folks, this is freebsd-stable. Take it elsewhere. Unabridged version: [ I've tried to stay out of this, but all this has turned into something out of alt.syntax.tactical (unintentionally, I'm sure). ] This flamage doesn't belong here, being -stable. Take it elsewhere. Take a deep breath and relax. There is always someone on this planet with whom you will disagree ... sometimes VERY strongly. And, sometimes, they may even appear in mailing lists to which you're subscribed. Much of the time, no matter how much you yell, scream, and turn red/blue in the face, they're not going to change their minds. So, why bother? Why raise your blood pressure? You could, someday, end up with health problems. If there's someone you don't like, just ignore them. Please, let this die. -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:28:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from webbie2.fisi.net (unknown [208.34.249.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E448A37B406 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:28:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goff@aisling.cc) Received: from galicia (unverified [208.34.249.90]) by webbie2.fisi.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.4) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:31:43 -0600 From: "Robert Goff" To: "FreeBSD Stable" Subject: How to cvsup the RELEASE version? Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:28:40 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm afraid this is a FAQ, but I couldn't find the answer in the archives. Sorry. I want to update my 4.2 installation to 4.3 RELEASE (not STABLE). What's the cvs tag for that? Is RELEASE the correct term for the most stable, shipping version? Thanks. -- There are two kinds of people in the world: those who think there are two kinds of people in the world, and those who know better. ====================================================================== Robert Goff http://aisling.cc/resume/ Technical Writer/Editor, Webmaster 505-564-8959 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:30:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from veldy.net (w028.z064001117.msp-mn.dsl.cnc.net [64.1.117.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91D737B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:30:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veldy@veldy.net) Received: from HP2500B (localhost.veldy.net [127.0.0.1]) by veldy.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E8220BAA8; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:30:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005201c1152f$85cc00b0$3028680a@tgt.com> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: "Robert Goff" , "FreeBSD Stable" References: Subject: Re: How to cvsup the RELEASE version? Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:30:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG RELENG_4_3_0_RELEASE Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Goff" To: "FreeBSD Stable" Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:28 PM Subject: How to cvsup the RELEASE version? > I'm afraid this is a FAQ, but I couldn't find the answer in the archives. > Sorry. > > I want to update my 4.2 installation to 4.3 RELEASE (not STABLE). What's > the cvs tag for that? Is RELEASE the correct term for the most stable, > shipping version? Thanks. > > -- > There are two kinds of people in the world: those who think there are > two kinds of people in the world, and those who know better. > ====================================================================== > Robert Goff http://aisling.cc/resume/ > Technical Writer/Editor, Webmaster 505-564-8959 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:31:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.bmi.net (smtp.bmi.net [204.57.191.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F17437B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:31:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmcoopr@johncoop.MSHOME.bmi.net) Received: from johncoop.MSHOME (dsl-154.bmi.net [207.173.60.230]) by smtp.bmi.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21375; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:30:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:56:29 -0700 From: John Merryweather Cooper To: jett Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: make world every week? Message-ID: <20010724195629.G89715@johncoop> References: <014901c114b3$48d98140$4b443dca@jett> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <014901c114b3$48d98140$4b443dca@jett>; from tayerv@team.ph.inter.net on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 19:41:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.1.7 Lines: 14 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001.07.24 19:41 jett wrote: > im running freebsd 4.3-stable and every friday night i'm updating my > sources via cvsup. my question is do i have to always build the world > after every cvsup so that i may stay stable? > > jett > Please turn off the double-pump of HTML. It makes replying a mess . . . No. I cvsup frequently, but I only make when something of interest has changed. Then I make world && make kernel KERNCONF=your_kernel_config. jmc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:31:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rhea.worldonline.nl (rhea.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7484937B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:31:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@monkey-online.net) Received: from monkey-online.net (unknown [195.241.113.9]) by rhea.worldonline.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B917C3709E; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:31:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3B5F03B3.D8495322@monkey-online.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:36:51 +0200 From: Eric Veraart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Goff , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to cvsup the RELEASE version? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG RELENG_4_3 Robert Goff wrote: > > I'm afraid this is a FAQ, but I couldn't find the answer in the archives. > Sorry. > > I want to update my 4.2 installation to 4.3 RELEASE (not STABLE). What's > the cvs tag for that? Is RELEASE the correct term for the most stable, > shipping version? Thanks. > > -- > There are two kinds of people in the world: those who think there are > two kinds of people in the world, and those who know better. > ====================================================================== > Robert Goff http://aisling.cc/resume/ > Technical Writer/Editor, Webmaster 505-564-8959 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:35:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from landhaus.consult-meyers.com (dialup-48-199.dplanet.ch [212.35.48.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F98F37B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:35:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.consult-meyers.com [127.0.0.1]) by landhaus.consult-meyers.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6PHcuk03593 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:39:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a.l.meyers@consult-meyers.com) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:38:55 +0200 (CEST) From: "A. L. Meyers" To: Subject: back to 4.3 release with thanks In-Reply-To: <200107251727.KAA27616@mina.soco.agilent.com> Message-ID: <20010725193356.F3576-100000@localhost.consult-meyers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! Just to thank all of you for the inputs regarding "stable" and which tree to track. Am taking your advice and cvsupping 4.3 release instead of stable in future. Following this site for a few weeks has been very educational. Cheers! Lucien To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:37:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hq1.tyfon.net (hq1.tyfon.net [217.27.162.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9392F37B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dl@tyfon.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hq1.tyfon.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350E51C89B; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:37:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hq1.tyfon.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7931C7E4; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:37:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:37:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Dan Larsson To: Robert Goff Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: How to cvsup the RELEASE version? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010725193422.X30054-100000@hq1.tyfon.net> Organization: Tyfon Svenska AB X-NCC-NIC: DL1999-RIPE X-NCC-RegID: se.tyfon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by hq1.tyfon.net Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Robert Goff wrote: | I want to update my 4.2 installation to 4.3 RELEASE (not STABLE). What's | the cvs tag for that? Is RELEASE the correct term for the most stable, | shipping version? Thanks. from: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/cvsup.html#CVSUP-CONFIG-VERS tag=RELENG_4_3_0_RELEASE | Well, the page isn't up to date to give the exact tag to use, however some simple logic gives the above tag :) Regards +------ Dan Larsson | Tel: +46 8 550 120 21 Tyfon Svenska AB | Fax: +46 8 550 120 02 GPG and PGP keys | finger dl@hq1.tyfon.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:41:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAAE37B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:41:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #7) id 15PSf7-000FJ3-00; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:41:33 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6PHfWL85246; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:41:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:41:32 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: John Merryweather Cooper Cc: jett , freebsd-stable Subject: Re: make world every week? Message-ID: <20010725184132.A85011@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <014901c114b3$48d98140$4b443dca@jett> <20010724195629.G89715@johncoop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20010724195629.G89715@johncoop>; from jmcoopr@johncoop.MSHOME.bmi.net on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:56:29PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG | has changed. Then I make world && make kernel KERNCONF=your_kernel_config. Pardon my ignorance, if I misunderstood, but I don't quite get something. UPDATING says this: To update from 4.0-RELEASE or later to the most current 4.x-STABLE ---------- make buildworld make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE reboot (in single user) [1] make installworld mergemaster reboot This means installworld is done after installkernel. In your above statement, wouldn't installworld be done *before* installkernel? jcm -- o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o | ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jonathon McKitrick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | "I prefer the term 'Artificial Person' myself." | o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:42:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E47437B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:42:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@root.com) Received: (from dg@localhost) by root.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f6PHTVl23698; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:29:31 -0700 From: David Greenman To: Nuno Teixeira Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What FTPd FreeBSD uses? Message-ID: <20010725102931.D18533@nexus.root.com> References: <011901c10f8c$4be2aff0$0c00a8c0@qnuno> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <011901c10f8c$4be2aff0$0c00a8c0@qnuno>; from nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com on Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 02:19:38PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Hello to all, > >1. >The ftpd FreeBSD distribution is FTP verion 6.00 LS. > >I noted that ftp.freebsd.org uses an FTP version DG-4.1.73 > >What the differences between the two ftpds? dgftpd is my stuff. Designed to handle many thousands of simultaneous downloads. It isn't opensource. -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org President, TeraSolutions, Inc. - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:46:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.wanadoo.nl (smtp0.wanadoo.nl [194.134.193.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD2837B41D for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:46:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steveo@eircom.net) Received: from ams-gw.sohara.org (p1052.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.203.33]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f6PHiaa05358; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:44:37 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:44:33 +0200 From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: ian j hart Cc: david@catwhisker.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup Message-Id: <20010725194433.5f090cca.steveo@eircom.net> In-Reply-To: <3B5EFC83.EA1CACDB@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk> References: <200107251700.f6PH0te95448@bunrab.catwhisker.org> <3B5EFC83.EA1CACDB@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.99cvs3 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-unknown-freebsdelf4.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:06:11 +0100 ian j hart wrote: IH> > make buildworld IH> > make buildkernel IH> > make installkernel IH> > make installworld IH> > mergemaster IH> > IH> > for a while now. (The "make {build,install}kernel" step may be IH> > collapsed into "make kernel".) I usually do the first three together as make buildwrold kernel Just lazy I guess. -- Directable Mirrors - A Better Way To Focus The Sun http://www.best.com/~sohara To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:47:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rhea.worldonline.nl (rhea.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27A737B407 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:47:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@monkey-online.net) Received: from monkey-online.net (unknown [195.241.113.9]) by rhea.worldonline.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22C437194; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:47:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3B5F0761.961DF56F@monkey-online.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:52:33 +0200 From: Eric Veraart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to cvsup the RELEASE version? References: <3B5F03B3.D8495322@monkey-online.net> <006d01c11530$fa7c7b00$3028680a@tgt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Right from ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-01%3A40.fts.asc "1) As of FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE, we have introduced a new ``security fix CVS branch'' which contains security fixes only, which can be tracked using the standard FreeBSD tools (cvsup/CVS/etc). The branch name is ``RELENG_4_3''. Upgrade your vulnerable FreeBSD system to the RELENG_4_3 branch after the correction date." So I think both are possible... "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > No ... RELENG_4_3_0_RELEASE > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric Veraart" > To: "Robert Goff" ; > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:36 PM > Subject: Re: How to cvsup the RELEASE version? > > > RELENG_4_3 > > > > Robert Goff wrote: > > > > > > I'm afraid this is a FAQ, but I couldn't find the answer in the > archives. > > > Sorry. > > > > > > I want to update my 4.2 installation to 4.3 RELEASE (not STABLE). > What's > > > the cvs tag for that? Is RELEASE the correct term for the most stable, > > > shipping version? Thanks. > > > > > > -- > > > There are two kinds of people in the world: those who think there are > > > two kinds of people in the world, and those who know better. > > > ====================================================================== > > > Robert Goff http://aisling.cc/resume/ > > > Technical Writer/Editor, Webmaster 505-564-8959 > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:49: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from finch.christeson.net (unknown [199.199.226.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9165737B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:48:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from christes@finch.koehntop.net) Received: (qmail 2424 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2001 17:48:30 -0000 Received: from robin.christeson.net (HELO robin) (192.168.20.100) by finch.christeson.net with SMTP; 19 Jul 2001 17:48:30 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Eric J Christeson" To: "Kevin Oberman" , "KT Sin" Cc: "Gabriel Rocha" , Subject: RE: Watching DVD's in -stable Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:39:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C1104F.D09549B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <200107191727.f6JHR7A03994@ptavv.es.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C1104F.D09549B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just looked these up on a Redhat 6.2 system I have here. /usr/include/linux/fb.h /usr/include/linux/kd.h /usr/include/linux/vt.h Let me know if I can be of further help. eric Eric J Christeson Software Development Engineer SSESCO > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Kevin Oberman > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 12:27 PM > To: KT Sin > Cc: Gabriel Rocha; freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Watching DVD's in -stable > > > > Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:48:14 +0800 > > From: KT Sin > > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > > > See http://www.videolan.org/. I think it's not in the ports > > collection yet and you have to build it yourself. > > This looks great! Of course, importing it into the US probably is a > violation of the DMCA. > > It will take some work to port it to FreeBSD as it has significant > Linuxisms. It requires GNUmake (minor issue) but then tries > to include > many header files from /linux. Someone (maybe me) will have > to figure > out where to get these files or what the FreeBSD replacements and > attendant massaging of the source might be. > > For anyone who is familiar with the issues: > regenerating dependencies for vout_fb.c > gcc -I../../include -I../../extras -DSYS_FREEBSD4_3 > -Iinclude -Iextras -I/usr/local/include -Wall -Winline > -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -O3 -ffast-math -funroll-loops > -fomit-frame-pointer -march=pentium -mcpu=pentium -DPLUGIN > -fPIC -c -o vout_fb.o vout_fb.c > vout_fb.c:43: linux/fb.h: No such file or directory > vout_fb.c:44: linux/vt.h: No such file or directory > vout_fb.c:45: linux/kd.h: No such file or directory > gmake[1]: *** [vout_fb.o] Error 1 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory > `/usr/home/oberman/utils/vlc-0.2.80/plugins/fb' > gmake: *** [lib/fb.so] Error 2 > > It's quite possible that the fb module is not even relevant to > FreeBSD. Clues to what fb is in Linux appreciated. > > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer > E-mail: oberman@home.com Phone: +1 510 486-8634 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C1104F.D09549B0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="fb.h" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="fb.h" #ifndef _LINUX_FB_H=0A= #define _LINUX_FB_H=0A= =0A= #include =0A= =0A= /* Definitions of frame buffers */=0A= =0A= #define FB_MAJOR 29=0A= =0A= #define FB_MODES_SHIFT 5 /* 32 modes per framebuffer */=0A= #define FB_NUM_MINORS 256 /* 256 Minors */=0A= #define FB_MAX (FB_NUM_MINORS / (1 << FB_MODES_SHIFT))=0A= #define GET_FB_IDX(node) (MINOR(node) >> FB_MODES_SHIFT)=0A= =0A= /* ioctls=0A= 0x46 is 'F' */=0A= #define FBIOGET_VSCREENINFO 0x4600=0A= #define FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO 0x4601=0A= #define FBIOGET_FSCREENINFO 0x4602=0A= #define FBIOGETCMAP 0x4604=0A= #define FBIOPUTCMAP 0x4605=0A= #define FBIOPAN_DISPLAY 0x4606=0A= /* 0x4607-0x460B are defined below */=0A= /* #define FBIOGET_MONITORSPEC 0x460C */=0A= /* #define FBIOPUT_MONITORSPEC 0x460D */=0A= /* #define FBIOSWITCH_MONIBIT 0x460E */=0A= #define FBIOGET_CON2FBMAP 0x460F=0A= #define FBIOPUT_CON2FBMAP 0x4610=0A= #define FBIOBLANK 0x4611 /* arg: 0 or vesa level + 1 */=0A= =0A= #define FB_TYPE_PACKED_PIXELS 0 /* Packed Pixels */=0A= #define FB_TYPE_PLANES 1 /* Non interleaved planes */=0A= #define FB_TYPE_INTERLEAVED_PLANES 2 /* Interleaved planes */=0A= #define FB_TYPE_TEXT 3 /* Text/attributes */=0A= #define FB_TYPE_VGA_PLANES 4 /* EGA/VGA planes */=0A= =0A= #define FB_AUX_TEXT_MDA 0 /* Monochrome text */=0A= #define FB_AUX_TEXT_CGA 1 /* CGA/EGA/VGA Color text */=0A= #define FB_AUX_TEXT_S3_MMIO 2 /* S3 MMIO fasttext */=0A= #define FB_AUX_TEXT_MGA_STEP16 3 /* MGA Millenium I: text, attr, 14 = reserved bytes */=0A= #define FB_AUX_TEXT_MGA_STEP8 4 /* other MGAs: text, attr, 6 = reserved bytes */=0A= =0A= #define FB_VISUAL_MONO01 0 /* Monochr. 1=3DBlack 0=3DWhite */=0A= #define FB_VISUAL_MONO10 1 /* Monochr. 1=3DWhite 0=3DBlack */=0A= #define FB_VISUAL_TRUECOLOR 2 /* True color */=0A= #define FB_VISUAL_PSEUDOCOLOR 3 /* Pseudo color (like atari) */=0A= #define FB_VISUAL_DIRECTCOLOR 4 /* Direct color */=0A= #define FB_VISUAL_STATIC_PSEUDOCOLOR 5 /* Pseudo color readonly */=0A= =0A= #define FB_ACCEL_NONE 0 /* no hardware accelerator */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_ATARIBLITT 1 /* Atari Blitter */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_AMIGABLITT 2 /* Amiga Blitter */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_S3_TRIO64 3 /* Cybervision64 (S3 Trio64) */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_NCR_77C32BLT 4 /* RetinaZ3 (NCR 77C32BLT) */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_S3_VIRGE 5 /* Cybervision64/3D (S3 ViRGE) */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_ATI_MACH64GX 6 /* ATI Mach 64GX family */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_DEC_TGA 7 /* DEC 21030 TGA */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_ATI_MACH64CT 8 /* ATI Mach 64CT family */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_ATI_MACH64VT 9 /* ATI Mach 64CT family VT class */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_ATI_MACH64GT 10 /* ATI Mach 64CT family GT class */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_SUN_CREATOR 11 /* Sun Creator/Creator3D */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_SUN_CGSIX 12 /* Sun cg6 */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_SUN_LEO 13 /* Sun leo/zx */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_IMS_TWINTURBO 14 /* IMS Twin Turbo */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_3DLABS_PERMEDIA2 15 /* 3Dlabs Permedia 2 */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_MATROX_MGA2064W 16 /* Matrox MGA2064W (Millenium) */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_MATROX_MGA1064SG 17 /* Matrox MGA1064SG (Mystique) */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_MATROX_MGA2164W 18 /* Matrox MGA2164W (Millenium II) */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_MATROX_MGA2164W_AGP 19 /* Matrox MGA2164W (Millenium = II) */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_MATROX_MGAG100 20 /* Matrox G100 (Productiva G100) */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_MATROX_MGAG200 21 /* Matrox G200 (Myst, Mill, ...) */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_SUN_CG14 22 /* Sun cgfourteen */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_SUN_BWTWO 23 /* Sun bwtwo */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_SUN_CGTHREE 24 /* Sun cgthree */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_SUN_TCX 25 /* Sun tcx */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_MATROX_MGAG400 26 /* Matrox G400 */=0A= #define FB_ACCEL_ATI_RAGE128 32 /* ATI Rage 128 */=0A= =0A= struct fb_fix_screeninfo {=0A= char id[16]; 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This implies=0A= * big-endian byte order if bits_per_pixel is greater than 8.=0A= */=0A= struct fb_bitfield {=0A= __u32 offset; /* beginning of bitfield */=0A= __u32 length; /* length of bitfield */=0A= __u32 msb_right; /* !=3D 0 : Most significant bit is */ =0A= /* right */ =0A= };=0A= =0A= #define FB_NONSTD_HAM 1 /* Hold-And-Modify (HAM) */=0A= =0A= #define FB_ACTIVATE_NOW 0 /* set values immediately (or vbl)*/=0A= #define FB_ACTIVATE_NXTOPEN 1 /* activate on next open */=0A= #define FB_ACTIVATE_TEST 2 /* don't set, round up impossible */=0A= #define FB_ACTIVATE_MASK 15=0A= /* values */=0A= #define FB_ACTIVATE_VBL 16 /* activate values on next vbl */=0A= #define FB_CHANGE_CMAP_VBL 32 /* change colormap on vbl */=0A= #define FB_ACTIVATE_ALL 64 /* change all VCs on this fb */=0A= =0A= #define FB_ACCELF_TEXT 1 /* text mode acceleration */=0A= =0A= #define FB_SYNC_HOR_HIGH_ACT 1 /* horizontal sync high active */=0A= #define FB_SYNC_VERT_HIGH_ACT 2 /* vertical sync high active */=0A= #define FB_SYNC_EXT 4 /* external sync */=0A= #define FB_SYNC_COMP_HIGH_ACT 8 /* composite sync high active */=0A= #define FB_SYNC_BROADCAST 16 /* broadcast video timings */=0A= /* vtotal =3D 144d/288n/576i =3D> PAL */=0A= /* vtotal =3D 121d/242n/484i =3D> NTSC */=0A= #define FB_SYNC_ON_GREEN 32 /* sync on green */=0A= =0A= #define FB_VMODE_NONINTERLACED 0 /* non interlaced */=0A= #define FB_VMODE_INTERLACED 1 /* interlaced */=0A= #define FB_VMODE_DOUBLE 2 /* double scan */=0A= #define FB_VMODE_MASK 255=0A= =0A= #define FB_VMODE_YWRAP 256 /* ywrap instead of panning */=0A= #define FB_VMODE_SMOOTH_XPAN 512 /* smooth xpan possible (internally = used) */=0A= #define FB_VMODE_CONUPDATE 512 /* don't update x/yoffset */=0A= =0A= struct fb_var_screeninfo {=0A= __u32 xres; /* visible resolution */=0A= __u32 yres;=0A= __u32 xres_virtual; /* virtual resolution */=0A= __u32 yres_virtual;=0A= __u32 xoffset; /* offset from virtual to visible */=0A= __u32 yoffset; /* resolution */=0A= =0A= __u32 bits_per_pixel; /* guess what */=0A= __u32 grayscale; /* !=3D 0 Graylevels instead of colors */=0A= =0A= struct fb_bitfield red; /* bitfield in fb mem if true color, */=0A= struct fb_bitfield green; /* else only length is significant */=0A= struct fb_bitfield blue;=0A= struct fb_bitfield transp; /* transparency */ =0A= =0A= __u32 nonstd; /* !=3D 0 Non standard pixel format */=0A= =0A= __u32 activate; /* see FB_ACTIVATE_* */=0A= =0A= __u32 height; /* height of picture in mm */=0A= __u32 width; /* width of picture in mm */=0A= =0A= __u32 accel_flags; /* acceleration flags (hints) */=0A= =0A= /* Timing: All values in pixclocks, except pixclock (of course) */=0A= __u32 pixclock; /* pixel clock in ps (pico seconds) */=0A= __u32 left_margin; /* time from sync to picture */=0A= __u32 right_margin; /* time from picture to sync */=0A= __u32 upper_margin; /* time from sync to picture */=0A= __u32 lower_margin;=0A= __u32 hsync_len; /* length of horizontal sync */=0A= __u32 vsync_len; /* length of vertical sync */=0A= __u32 sync; /* see FB_SYNC_* */=0A= __u32 vmode; /* see FB_VMODE_* */=0A= __u32 reserved[6]; /* Reserved for future compatibility */=0A= };=0A= =0A= struct fb_cmap {=0A= __u32 start; /* First entry */=0A= __u32 len; /* Number of entries */=0A= __u16 *red; /* Red values */=0A= __u16 *green;=0A= __u16 *blue;=0A= __u16 *transp; /* transparency, can be NULL */=0A= };=0A= =0A= struct fb_con2fbmap {=0A= __u32 console;=0A= __u32 framebuffer;=0A= };=0A= =0A= struct fb_monspecs {=0A= __u32 hfmin; /* hfreq lower limit (Hz) */=0A= __u32 hfmax; /* hfreq upper limit (Hz) */=0A= __u16 vfmin; /* vfreq lower limit (Hz) */=0A= __u16 vfmax; /* vfreq upper limit (Hz) */=0A= unsigned dpms : 1; /* supports DPMS */=0A= };=0A= =0A= #ifdef __KERNEL__=0A= =0A= #include =0A= =0A= =0A= struct fb_info;=0A= struct fb_info_gen;=0A= struct vm_area_struct;=0A= struct file;=0A= =0A= /*=0A= * Frame buffer operations=0A= */=0A= =0A= struct fb_ops {=0A= /* open/release and usage marking */=0A= int (*fb_open)(struct fb_info *info, int user);=0A= int (*fb_release)(struct fb_info *info, int user);=0A= /* get non settable parameters */=0A= int (*fb_get_fix)(struct fb_fix_screeninfo *fix, int con,=0A= struct fb_info *info); =0A= /* get settable parameters */=0A= int (*fb_get_var)(struct fb_var_screeninfo *var, int con,=0A= struct fb_info *info); =0A= /* set settable parameters */=0A= int (*fb_set_var)(struct fb_var_screeninfo *var, int con,=0A= struct fb_info *info); =0A= /* get colormap */=0A= int (*fb_get_cmap)(struct fb_cmap *cmap, int kspc, int con,=0A= struct fb_info *info);=0A= /* set colormap */=0A= int (*fb_set_cmap)(struct fb_cmap *cmap, int kspc, int con,=0A= struct fb_info *info);=0A= /* pan display */=0A= int (*fb_pan_display)(struct fb_var_screeninfo *var, int con,=0A= struct fb_info *info);=0A= /* perform fb specific ioctl */=0A= int (*fb_ioctl)(struct inode *inode, struct file *file, unsigned int = cmd,=0A= unsigned long arg, int con, struct fb_info *info);=0A= /* perform fb specific mmap */=0A= int (*fb_mmap)(struct fb_info *info, struct file *file, struct = vm_area_struct *vma);=0A= /* switch to/from raster image mode */=0A= int (*fb_rasterimg)(struct fb_info *info, int start);=0A= };=0A= =0A= =0A= /*=0A= * This is the interface between the low-level console driver and = the=0A= * low-level frame buffer device=0A= */=0A= =0A= struct display {=0A= /* Filled in by the frame buffer device */=0A= =0A= struct fb_var_screeninfo var; /* variable infos. yoffset and vmode = */=0A= /* are updated by fbcon.c */=0A= struct fb_cmap cmap; /* colormap */=0A= char *screen_base; /* pointer to top of virtual screen = */ =0A= /* (virtual address) */=0A= int visual;=0A= int type; /* see FB_TYPE_* */=0A= int type_aux; /* Interleave for interleaved Planes = */=0A= u_short ypanstep; /* zero if no hardware ypan */=0A= u_short ywrapstep; /* zero if no hardware ywrap */=0A= u_long line_length; /* length of a line in bytes */=0A= u_short can_soft_blank; /* zero if no hardware blanking */=0A= u_short inverse; /* !=3D 0 text black on white as = default */=0A= struct display_switch *dispsw; /* low level operations */=0A= void *dispsw_data; /* optional dispsw helper data */=0A= =0A= #if 0=0A= struct fb_fix_cursorinfo fcrsr;=0A= struct fb_var_cursorinfo *vcrsr;=0A= struct fb_cursorstate crsrstate;=0A= #endif=0A= =0A= /* Filled in by the low-level console driver */=0A= =0A= struct vc_data *conp; /* pointer to console data */=0A= struct fb_info *fb_info; /* frame buffer for this console */=0A= int vrows; /* number of virtual rows */=0A= unsigned short cursor_x; /* current cursor position */=0A= unsigned short cursor_y;=0A= int fgcol; /* text colors */=0A= int bgcol;=0A= u_long next_line; /* offset to one line below */=0A= u_long next_plane; /* offset to next plane */=0A= u_char *fontdata; /* Font associated to this display */=0A= unsigned short _fontheightlog;=0A= unsigned short _fontwidthlog;=0A= unsigned short _fontheight;=0A= unsigned short _fontwidth;=0A= int userfont; /* !=3D 0 if fontdata kmalloc()ed */=0A= u_short scrollmode; /* Scroll Method */=0A= short yscroll; /* Hardware scrolling */=0A= unsigned char fgshift, bgshift;=0A= unsigned short charmask; /* 0xff or 0x1ff */=0A= };=0A= =0A= =0A= struct fb_info {=0A= char modename[40]; /* default video mode */=0A= kdev_t node;=0A= int flags;=0A= #define FBINFO_FLAG_MODULE 1 /* Low-level driver is a module */=0A= struct fb_ops *fbops;=0A= struct fb_monspecs monspecs;=0A= struct display *disp; /* initial display variable */=0A= struct vc_data *display_fg; /* Console visible on this display */=0A= char fontname[40]; /* default font name */=0A= int (*changevar)(int); /* tell console var has changed */=0A= int (*switch_con)(int, struct fb_info*);=0A= /* tell fb to switch consoles */=0A= int (*updatevar)(int, struct fb_info*);=0A= /* tell fb to update the vars */=0A= void (*blank)(int, struct fb_info*); /* tell fb to (un)blank the = screen */=0A= /* arg =3D 0: unblank */=0A= /* arg > 0: VESA level (arg-1) */=0A= =0A= /* From here on everything is device dependent */=0A= };=0A= =0A= #ifdef MODULE=0A= #define FBINFO_FLAG_DEFAULT FBINFO_FLAG_MODULE=0A= #else=0A= #define FBINFO_FLAG_DEFAULT 0=0A= #endif=0A= =0A= /*=0A= * This structure abstracts from the underlying hardware. It is not=0A= * mandatory but used by the `generic' frame buffer operations.=0A= * Read drivers/video/skeletonfb.c for more information.=0A= */=0A= =0A= struct fbgen_hwswitch {=0A= void (*detect)(void);=0A= int (*encode_fix)(struct fb_fix_screeninfo *fix, const void *par,=0A= struct fb_info_gen *info);=0A= int (*decode_var)(const struct fb_var_screeninfo *var, void *par,=0A= struct fb_info_gen *info);=0A= int (*encode_var)(struct fb_var_screeninfo *var, const void *par,=0A= struct fb_info_gen *info);=0A= void (*get_par)(void *par, struct fb_info_gen *info);=0A= void (*set_par)(const void *par, struct fb_info_gen *info);=0A= int (*getcolreg)(unsigned regno, unsigned *red, unsigned *green,=0A= unsigned *blue, unsigned *transp, struct fb_info *info);=0A= int (*setcolreg)(unsigned regno, unsigned red, unsigned green,=0A= unsigned blue, unsigned transp, struct fb_info *info);=0A= int (*pan_display)(const struct fb_var_screeninfo *var,=0A= struct fb_info_gen *info);=0A= int (*blank)(int blank_mode, struct fb_info_gen *info);=0A= void (*set_disp)(const void *par, struct display *disp,=0A= struct fb_info_gen *info);=0A= };=0A= =0A= struct fb_info_gen {=0A= struct fb_info info;=0A= =0A= /* Entries for a generic frame buffer device */=0A= /* Yes, this starts looking like C++ */=0A= u_int parsize;=0A= struct fbgen_hwswitch *fbhw;=0A= =0A= /* From here on everything is device dependent */=0A= };=0A= =0A= /*=0A= * `Generic' versions of the frame buffer device operations=0A= */=0A= =0A= extern int fbgen_get_fix(struct fb_fix_screeninfo *fix, int con,=0A= struct fb_info *info);=0A= extern int fbgen_get_var(struct fb_var_screeninfo *var, int con,=0A= struct fb_info *info);=0A= extern int fbgen_set_var(struct fb_var_screeninfo *var, int con,=0A= struct fb_info *info);=0A= extern int fbgen_get_cmap(struct fb_cmap *cmap, int kspc, int con,=0A= struct fb_info *info);=0A= extern int fbgen_set_cmap(struct fb_cmap *cmap, int kspc, int con,=0A= struct fb_info *info);=0A= extern int fbgen_pan_display(struct fb_var_screeninfo *var, int con,=0A= struct fb_info *info);=0A= extern int fbgen_ioctl(struct inode *inode, struct file *file,=0A= unsigned int cmd, unsigned long arg, int con,=0A= struct fb_info *info);=0A= =0A= /*=0A= * Helper functions=0A= */=0A= =0A= extern int fbgen_do_set_var(struct fb_var_screeninfo *var, int isactive,=0A= struct fb_info_gen *info);=0A= extern void fbgen_set_disp(int con, struct fb_info_gen *info);=0A= extern void fbgen_install_cmap(int con, struct fb_info_gen *info);=0A= extern int fbgen_update_var(int con, struct fb_info *info);=0A= extern int fbgen_switch(int con, struct fb_info *info);=0A= extern void fbgen_blank(int blank, struct fb_info *info);=0A= =0A= =0A= struct fb_videomode {=0A= const char *name;=0A= struct fb_var_screeninfo var;=0A= };=0A= =0A= =0A= /* drivers/char/fbmem.c */=0A= extern int register_framebuffer(struct fb_info *fb_info);=0A= extern int unregister_framebuffer(const struct fb_info *fb_info);=0A= extern int fbmon_valid_timings(u_int pixclock, u_int htotal, u_int = vtotal,=0A= const struct fb_info *fb_info);=0A= extern int fbmon_dpms(const struct fb_info *fb_info);=0A= =0A= =0A= extern int num_registered_fb;=0A= extern struct fb_info *registered_fb[FB_MAX];=0A= extern char con2fb_map[MAX_NR_CONSOLES];=0A= =0A= /* drivers/video/fbcon.c */=0A= extern struct display fb_display[MAX_NR_CONSOLES];=0A= =0A= /* drivers/video/fbcmap.c */=0A= extern int fb_alloc_cmap(struct fb_cmap *cmap, int len, int transp);=0A= extern void fb_copy_cmap(struct fb_cmap *from, struct fb_cmap *to,=0A= int fsfromto);=0A= extern int fb_get_cmap(struct fb_cmap *cmap, int kspc,=0A= int (*getcolreg)(u_int, u_int *, u_int *, u_int *,=0A= u_int *, struct fb_info *),=0A= struct fb_info *fb_info);=0A= extern int fb_set_cmap(struct fb_cmap *cmap, int kspc,=0A= int (*setcolreg)(u_int, u_int, u_int, u_int, u_int,=0A= struct fb_info *),=0A= struct fb_info *fb_info);=0A= extern struct fb_cmap *fb_default_cmap(int len);=0A= extern void fb_invert_cmaps(void);=0A= =0A= /* VESA Blanking Levels */=0A= #define VESA_NO_BLANKING 0=0A= #define VESA_VSYNC_SUSPEND 1=0A= #define VESA_HSYNC_SUSPEND 2=0A= #define VESA_POWERDOWN 3=0A= =0A= #endif /* __KERNEL__ */=0A= =0A= #if 1=0A= =0A= #define FBCMD_GET_CURRENTPAR 0xDEAD0005=0A= #define FBCMD_SET_CURRENTPAR 0xDEAD8005=0A= =0A= #endif=0A= =0A= =0A= #if 1 /* Preliminary */=0A= =0A= /*=0A= * Hardware Cursor=0A= */=0A= =0A= #define FBIOGET_FCURSORINFO 0x4607=0A= #define FBIOGET_VCURSORINFO 0x4608=0A= #define FBIOPUT_VCURSORINFO 0x4609=0A= #define FBIOGET_CURSORSTATE 0x460A=0A= #define FBIOPUT_CURSORSTATE 0x460B=0A= =0A= =0A= struct fb_fix_cursorinfo {=0A= __u16 crsr_width; /* width and height of the cursor in */=0A= __u16 crsr_height; /* pixels (zero if no cursor) */=0A= __u16 crsr_xsize; /* cursor size in display pixels */=0A= __u16 crsr_ysize;=0A= __u16 crsr_color1; /* colormap entry for cursor color1 */=0A= __u16 crsr_color2; /* colormap entry for cursor color2 */=0A= };=0A= =0A= struct fb_var_cursorinfo {=0A= __u16 width;=0A= __u16 height;=0A= __u16 xspot;=0A= __u16 yspot;=0A= __u8 data[1]; /* field with [height][width] */=0A= };=0A= =0A= struct fb_cursorstate {=0A= __s16 xoffset;=0A= __s16 yoffset;=0A= __u16 mode;=0A= };=0A= =0A= #define FB_CURSOR_OFF 0=0A= #define FB_CURSOR_ON 1=0A= #define FB_CURSOR_FLASH 2=0A= =0A= #endif /* Preliminary */=0A= =0A= #endif /* _LINUX_FB_H */=0A= ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C1104F.D09549B0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="kd.h" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="kd.h" #ifndef _LINUX_KD_H=0A= #define _LINUX_KD_H=0A= #include =0A= =0A= /* 0x4B is 'K', to avoid collision with termios and vt */=0A= =0A= #define GIO_FONT 0x4B60 /* gets font in expanded form */=0A= #define PIO_FONT 0x4B61 /* use font in expanded form */=0A= =0A= #define GIO_FONTX 0x4B6B /* get font using struct consolefontdesc */=0A= #define PIO_FONTX 0x4B6C /* set font using struct consolefontdesc */=0A= struct consolefontdesc {=0A= unsigned short charcount; /* characters in font (256 or 512) */=0A= unsigned short charheight; /* scan lines per character (1-32) */=0A= char *chardata; /* font data in expanded form */=0A= };=0A= =0A= #define PIO_FONTRESET 0x4B6D /* reset to default font */=0A= =0A= #define GIO_CMAP 0x4B70 /* gets colour palette on VGA+ */=0A= #define PIO_CMAP 0x4B71 /* sets colour palette on VGA+ */=0A= =0A= #define KIOCSOUND 0x4B2F /* start sound generation (0 for off) */=0A= #define KDMKTONE 0x4B30 /* generate tone */=0A= =0A= #define KDGETLED 0x4B31 /* return current led state */=0A= #define KDSETLED 0x4B32 /* set led state [lights, not flags] */=0A= #define LED_SCR 0x01 /* scroll lock led */=0A= #define LED_CAP 0x04 /* caps lock led */=0A= #define LED_NUM 0x02 /* num lock led */=0A= =0A= #define KDGKBTYPE 0x4B33 /* get keyboard type */=0A= #define KB_84 0x01=0A= #define KB_101 0x02 /* this is what we always answer */=0A= #define KB_OTHER 0x03=0A= =0A= #define KDADDIO 0x4B34 /* add i/o port as valid */=0A= #define KDDELIO 0x4B35 /* del i/o port as valid */=0A= #define KDENABIO 0x4B36 /* enable i/o to video board */=0A= #define KDDISABIO 0x4B37 /* disable i/o to video board */=0A= =0A= #define KDSETMODE 0x4B3A /* set text/graphics mode */=0A= #define KD_TEXT 0x00=0A= #define KD_GRAPHICS 0x01=0A= #define KD_TEXT0 0x02 /* obsolete */=0A= #define KD_TEXT1 0x03 /* obsolete */=0A= #define KDGETMODE 0x4B3B /* get current mode */=0A= =0A= #define KDMAPDISP 0x4B3C /* map display into address space */=0A= #define KDUNMAPDISP 0x4B3D /* unmap display from address space */=0A= =0A= typedef char scrnmap_t;=0A= #define E_TABSZ 256=0A= #define GIO_SCRNMAP 0x4B40 /* get screen mapping from kernel */=0A= #define PIO_SCRNMAP 0x4B41 /* put screen mapping table in kernel */=0A= #define GIO_UNISCRNMAP 0x4B69 /* get full Unicode screen mapping */=0A= #define PIO_UNISCRNMAP 0x4B6A /* set full Unicode screen mapping */=0A= =0A= #define GIO_UNIMAP 0x4B66 /* get unicode-to-font mapping from kernel */=0A= struct unipair {=0A= unsigned short unicode;=0A= unsigned short fontpos;=0A= };=0A= struct unimapdesc {=0A= unsigned short entry_ct;=0A= struct unipair *entries;=0A= };=0A= #define PIO_UNIMAP 0x4B67 /* put unicode-to-font mapping in kernel */=0A= #define PIO_UNIMAPCLR 0x4B68 /* clear table, possibly advise hash = algorithm */=0A= struct unimapinit {=0A= unsigned short advised_hashsize; /* 0 if no opinion */=0A= unsigned short advised_hashstep; /* 0 if no opinion */=0A= unsigned short advised_hashlevel; /* 0 if no opinion */=0A= };=0A= =0A= #define UNI_DIRECT_BASE 0xF000 /* start of Direct Font Region */=0A= #define UNI_DIRECT_MASK 0x01FF /* Direct Font Region bitmask */=0A= =0A= #define K_RAW 0x00=0A= #define K_XLATE 0x01=0A= #define K_MEDIUMRAW 0x02=0A= #define K_UNICODE 0x03=0A= #define KDGKBMODE 0x4B44 /* gets current keyboard mode */=0A= #define KDSKBMODE 0x4B45 /* sets current keyboard mode */=0A= =0A= #define K_METABIT 0x03=0A= #define K_ESCPREFIX 0x04=0A= #define KDGKBMETA 0x4B62 /* gets meta key handling mode */=0A= #define KDSKBMETA 0x4B63 /* sets meta key handling mode */=0A= =0A= #define K_SCROLLLOCK 0x01=0A= #define K_CAPSLOCK 0x02=0A= #define K_NUMLOCK 0x04=0A= #define KDGKBLED 0x4B64 /* get led flags (not lights) */=0A= #define KDSKBLED 0x4B65 /* set led flags (not lights) */=0A= =0A= struct kbentry {=0A= unsigned char kb_table;=0A= unsigned char kb_index;=0A= unsigned short kb_value;=0A= };=0A= #define K_NORMTAB 0x00=0A= #define K_SHIFTTAB 0x01=0A= #define K_ALTTAB 0x02=0A= #define K_ALTSHIFTTAB 0x03=0A= =0A= #define KDGKBENT 0x4B46 /* gets one entry in translation table */=0A= #define KDSKBENT 0x4B47 /* sets one entry in translation table */=0A= =0A= struct kbsentry {=0A= unsigned char kb_func;=0A= unsigned char kb_string[512];=0A= };=0A= #define KDGKBSENT 0x4B48 /* gets one function key string entry */=0A= #define KDSKBSENT 0x4B49 /* sets one function key string entry */=0A= =0A= struct kbdiacr {=0A= unsigned char diacr, base, result;=0A= };=0A= struct kbdiacrs {=0A= unsigned int kb_cnt; /* number of entries in following array = */=0A= struct kbdiacr kbdiacr[256]; /* MAX_DIACR from keyboard.h */=0A= };=0A= #define KDGKBDIACR 0x4B4A /* read kernel accent table */=0A= #define KDSKBDIACR 0x4B4B /* write kernel accent table */=0A= =0A= struct kbkeycode {=0A= unsigned int scancode, keycode;=0A= };=0A= #define KDGETKEYCODE 0x4B4C /* read kernel keycode table entry */=0A= #define KDSETKEYCODE 0x4B4D /* write kernel keycode table entry */=0A= =0A= #define KDSIGACCEPT 0x4B4E /* accept kbd generated signals */=0A= =0A= struct hwclk_time {=0A= unsigned sec; /* 0..59 */=0A= unsigned min; /* 0..59 */=0A= unsigned hour; /* 0..23 */=0A= unsigned day; /* 1..31 */=0A= unsigned mon; /* 0..11 */=0A= unsigned year; /* 70... */=0A= int wday; /* 0..6, 0 is Sunday, -1 means unknown/don't set */=0A= };=0A= =0A= #define KDGHWCLK 0x4B50 /* get hardware clock */=0A= #define KDSHWCLK 0x4B51 /* set hardware clock */=0A= =0A= struct kbd_repeat {=0A= int delay; /* in msec; <=3D 0: don't change */=0A= int rate; /* in msec; <=3D 0: don't change */=0A= };=0A= =0A= #define KDKBDREP 0x4B52 /* set keyboard delay/repeat rate;=0A= * actually used values are returned */=0A= =0A= #define KDFONTOP 0x4B72 /* font operations */=0A= =0A= struct console_font_op {=0A= unsigned int op; /* operation code KD_FONT_OP_* */=0A= unsigned int flags; /* KD_FONT_FLAG_* */=0A= unsigned int width, height; /* font size */=0A= unsigned int charcount;=0A= unsigned char *data; /* font data with height fixed to 32 */=0A= };=0A= =0A= #define KD_FONT_OP_SET 0 /* Set font */=0A= #define KD_FONT_OP_GET 1 /* Get font */=0A= #define KD_FONT_OP_SET_DEFAULT 2 /* Set font to default, data points to = name / NULL */=0A= #define KD_FONT_OP_COPY 3 /* Copy from another console */=0A= =0A= #define KD_FONT_FLAG_DONT_RECALC 1 /* Don't recalculate hw charcell = size [compat] */=0A= #ifdef __KERNEL__=0A= #define KD_FONT_FLAG_OLD 0x80000000 /* Invoked via old interface = [compat] */=0A= #endif=0A= =0A= /* note: 0x4B00-0x4B4E all have had a value at some time;=0A= don't reuse for the time being */=0A= /* note: 0x4B60-0x4B6D, 0x4B70-0x4B72 used above */=0A= =0A= #endif /* _LINUX_KD_H */=0A= ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C1104F.D09549B0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="vt.h" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vt.h" #ifndef _LINUX_VT_H=0A= #define _LINUX_VT_H=0A= =0A= /* 0x56 is 'V', to avoid collision with termios and kd */=0A= =0A= #define VT_OPENQRY 0x5600 /* find available vt */=0A= =0A= struct vt_mode {=0A= char mode; /* vt mode */=0A= char waitv; /* if set, hang on writes if not active */=0A= short relsig; /* signal to raise on release req */=0A= short acqsig; /* signal to raise on acquisition */=0A= short frsig; /* unused (set to 0) */=0A= };=0A= #define VT_GETMODE 0x5601 /* get mode of active vt */=0A= #define VT_SETMODE 0x5602 /* set mode of active vt */=0A= #define VT_AUTO 0x00 /* auto vt switching */=0A= #define VT_PROCESS 0x01 /* process controls switching */=0A= #define VT_ACKACQ 0x02 /* acknowledge switch */=0A= =0A= struct vt_stat {=0A= unsigned short v_active; /* active vt */=0A= unsigned short v_signal; /* signal to send */=0A= unsigned short v_state; /* vt bitmask */=0A= };=0A= #define VT_GETSTATE 0x5603 /* get global vt state info */=0A= #define VT_SENDSIG 0x5604 /* signal to send to bitmask of vts */=0A= =0A= #define VT_RELDISP 0x5605 /* release display */=0A= =0A= #define VT_ACTIVATE 0x5606 /* make vt active */=0A= #define VT_WAITACTIVE 0x5607 /* wait for vt active */=0A= #define VT_DISALLOCATE 0x5608 /* free memory associated to vt */=0A= =0A= struct vt_sizes {=0A= unsigned short v_rows; /* number of rows */=0A= unsigned short v_cols; /* number of columns */=0A= unsigned short v_scrollsize; /* number of lines of scrollback */=0A= };=0A= #define VT_RESIZE 0x5609 /* set kernel's idea of screensize */=0A= =0A= struct vt_consize {=0A= unsigned short v_rows; /* number of rows */=0A= unsigned short v_cols; /* number of columns */=0A= unsigned short v_vlin; /* number of pixel rows on screen */=0A= unsigned short v_clin; /* number of pixel rows per character */=0A= unsigned short v_vcol; /* number of pixel columns on screen */=0A= unsigned short v_ccol; /* number of pixel columns per character */=0A= };=0A= #define VT_RESIZEX 0x560A /* set kernel's idea of screensize + = more */=0A= #define VT_LOCKSWITCH 0x560B /* disallow vt switching */=0A= #define VT_UNLOCKSWITCH 0x560C /* allow vt switching */=0A= =0A= #endif /* _LINUX_VT_H */=0A= ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C1104F.D09549B0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:52:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.bmi.net (smtp.bmi.net [204.57.191.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2AD37B40D for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:52:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmcoopr@webmail.bmi.net) Received: from johncoop.MSHOME (dsl-154.bmi.net [207.173.60.230]) by smtp.bmi.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21961; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:50:40 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:50:40 -0700 From: John Merryweather Cooper To: j mckitrick Cc: jett , freebsd-stable Subject: Re: make world every week? Message-ID: <20010725105040.K577@johncoop.bmi.net> References: <014901c114b3$48d98140$4b443dca@jett> <20010724195629.G89715@johncoop> <20010725184132.A85011@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20010725184132.A85011@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>; from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 10:41:32 -0700 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.1.7 Lines: 37 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001.07.25 10:41 j mckitrick wrote: > | has changed. Then I make world && make kernel > KERNCONF=your_kernel_config. > > Pardon my ignorance, if I misunderstood, but I don't quite get something. > > UPDATING says this: > > To update from 4.0-RELEASE or later to the most current > 4.x-STABLE > ---------- > make buildworld > make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE > make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE > reboot (in single user) [1] > make installworld > mergemaster > reboot > > > This means installworld is done after installkernel. In your above > statement, wouldn't installworld be done *before* installkernel? > > > jcm > -- > o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o > | ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jonathon McKitrick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | > | "I prefer the term 'Artificial Person' myself." | > o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o > > Just a shortcut. It works for me, on my configuration, but it may very well break on yours. YMMV. jmc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:52:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f139.hotmail.com [216.32.181.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C3337B421 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:52:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kmays2000@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:52:10 -0700 Received: from 139.76.65.132 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:52:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.76.65.132] From: "Kenneth Mays" To: drosih@rpi.edu, tayerv@team.ph.inter.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world every week? Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:52:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 17:52:10.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[875E0B00:01C11532] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Wouldn't this go back to having someone confirm that the posted -Stable for the day checked good?? We have a missing link somewhere in either people not building properly or bad builds posted. Shold we care to look at the process on how stable builds are posted or do we accept the current process and move on to other important concerns?? We keep beating on the same issues around but never focus on a solution. Ken _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:56:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.hexanet.fr (ns1.hexanet.fr [194.98.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F1F37B439 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:56:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Received: from proton.hexanet.fr (proton.hexanet.fr [194.98.140.18]) by ns1.hexanet.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA92009; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:56:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Received: from hexanet.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by proton.hexanet.fr (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f6PHuTn77440; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:56:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:56:29 +0200 From: Christophe Prévotaux To: David Greenman Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What FTPd FreeBSD uses? Message-Id: <20010725195629.40011b69.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> In-Reply-To: <20010725102931.D18533@nexus.root.com> References: <011901c10f8c$4be2aff0$0c00a8c0@qnuno> <20010725102931.D18533@nexus.root.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.66 (GTK+ 1.2.7; i386--freebsd4.2) Organization: HEXANET Sarl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What is so special about it ? any neat features ? On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:29:31 -0700 David Greenman wrote: > >Hello to all, > > > >1. > >The ftpd FreeBSD distribution is FTP verion 6.00 LS. > > > >I noted that ftp.freebsd.org uses an FTP version DG-4.1.73 > > > >What the differences between the two ftpds? > > dgftpd is my stuff. Designed to handle many thousands of simultaneous > downloads. It isn't opensource. > > -DG > > David Greenman > Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org > President, TeraSolutions, Inc. - http://www.terasolutions.com > Pave the road of life with opportunities. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- =================================================================== Christophe Prevotaux Email: c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr HEXANET SARL URL: http://www.hexanet.fr/ Z.A Farman Sud Tel: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 05 9 rue Roland Coffignot Direct: +33 (0)3 26 79 08 02 BP415 Fax: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 06 51689 Reims Cedex 2 FRANCE =================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:58:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gibbon.kungfumonkey.com (dsl254-084-215.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.84.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64B537B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:58:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jolly@gibbon.kungfumonkey.com) Received: from localhost (jolly@localhost) by gibbon.kungfumonkey.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27334; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:01:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:01:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Jacob Frelinger To: Cc: Kevin Oberman , KT Sin , Gabriel Rocha , Subject: RE: Watching DVD's in -stable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Approved: by Your Mother's Brand Of Detergent X-Archive: No MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG actualy you don't need these files. videolan builds fine on freebsd already, with only some minor tweaks (using gmake and env varriables so it can find sdl11-config and gtk12-config). please check thier mailing lists, as i know i've posted there atleast once or twice on how to build it for freebsd On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Eric J Christeson wrote: > Just looked these up on a Redhat 6.2 system I have here. > > /usr/include/linux/fb.h > /usr/include/linux/kd.h > /usr/include/linux/vt.h > > Let me know if I can be of further help. > > eric > > Eric J Christeson > Software Development Engineer > SSESCO > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Kevin Oberman > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 12:27 PM > > To: KT Sin > > Cc: Gabriel Rocha; freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: Watching DVD's in -stable > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:48:14 +0800 > > > From: KT Sin > > > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > > > > > See http://www.videolan.org/. I think it's not in the ports > > > collection yet and you have to build it yourself. > > > > This looks great! Of course, importing it into the US probably is a > > violation of the DMCA. > > > > It will take some work to port it to FreeBSD as it has significant > > Linuxisms. It requires GNUmake (minor issue) but then tries > > to include > > many header files from /linux. Someone (maybe me) will have > > to figure > > out where to get these files or what the FreeBSD replacements and > > attendant massaging of the source might be. > > > > For anyone who is familiar with the issues: > > regenerating dependencies for vout_fb.c > > gcc -I../../include -I../../extras -DSYS_FREEBSD4_3 > > -Iinclude -Iextras -I/usr/local/include -Wall -Winline > > -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -O3 -ffast-math -funroll-loops > > -fomit-frame-pointer -march=pentium -mcpu=pentium -DPLUGIN > > -fPIC -c -o vout_fb.o vout_fb.c > > vout_fb.c:43: linux/fb.h: No such file or directory > > vout_fb.c:44: linux/vt.h: No such file or directory > > vout_fb.c:45: linux/kd.h: No such file or directory > > gmake[1]: *** [vout_fb.o] Error 1 > > gmake[1]: Leaving directory > > `/usr/home/oberman/utils/vlc-0.2.80/plugins/fb' > > gmake: *** [lib/fb.so] Error 2 > > > > It's quite possible that the fb module is not even relevant to > > FreeBSD. Clues to what fb is in Linux appreciated. > > > > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer > > E-mail: oberman@home.com Phone: +1 510 486-8634 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Jacob "I'm Brainy For Zombie Pops" Frelinger Resident Psycho http://www.thecoffinclub.com Jolly at TheCoffinClub dot Com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 10:59:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.hexanet.fr (ns1.hexanet.fr [194.98.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE52537B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:59:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Received: from proton.hexanet.fr (proton.hexanet.fr [194.98.140.18]) by ns1.hexanet.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA92074; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:59:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Received: from hexanet.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by proton.hexanet.fr (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f6PHxTn77476; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:59:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:59:29 +0200 From: Christophe Prévotaux To: Chris Faulhaber Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make buildkernel fails Message-Id: <20010725195929.272b5d2e.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> In-Reply-To: <20010725092940.B24295@peitho.fxp.org> References: <20010725152747.5b24805d.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> <20010725092940.B24295@peitho.fxp.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.66 (GTK+ 1.2.7; i386--freebsd4.2) Organization: HEXANET Sarl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well ok but since ipfw is a module I figured I did not need to include it in the kernel which, I'm sure you will agree, is somewhat logical? :) I will try it using the IPFIREWALL option in the kernel CONF file Thanks :) On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:29:40 -0400 Chris Faulhaber wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 03:27:47PM +0200, Christophe Prévotaux wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > I have just cvsuped to releng_4_3 but when I run make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL > > > > I get this error message: > > > > > > sh /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh PROTON > > cc -c -O -pipe -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wca > > st-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h > > -elf -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 vers.c > > linking kernel > > ip_dummynet.o: In function `heap_init': > > ip_dummynet.o(.text+0x61): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' > > ip_dummynet.o(.text+0xa4): undefined reference to `M_IPFW' > > > > Looks like you left out the ipfw options when you added > DUMMYNET support. From LINT: > > # DUMMYNET enables the "dummynet" bandwidth limiter. You need > # IPFIREWALL as well. See the dummynet(4) manpage for more info. > > -- > Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org > -------------------------------------------------------- > FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org > -- =================================================================== Christophe Prevotaux Email: c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr HEXANET SARL URL: http://www.hexanet.fr/ Z.A Farman Sud Tel: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 05 9 rue Roland Coffignot Direct: +33 (0)3 26 79 08 02 BP415 Fax: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 06 51689 Reims Cedex 2 FRANCE =================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 11:12:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from webbie2.fisi.net (unknown [208.34.249.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04ED37B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:12:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goff@aisling.cc) Received: from galicia (unverified [208.34.249.65]) by webbie2.fisi.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.4) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:15:25 -0600 From: "Robert Goff" To: "Eric Veraart" , Subject: RE: How to cvsup the RELEASE version? Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:12:23 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <3B5F0761.961DF56F@monkey-online.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > "1) As of FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE, we have introduced a new ``security fix > CVS branch'' which contains security fixes only, which can be tracked > using the standard FreeBSD tools (cvsup/CVS/etc). The branch name is > ``RELENG_4_3''. Upgrade your vulnerable FreeBSD system to the > RELENG_4_3 branch after the correction date." I read this, but didn't think I understood it. To verify: RELENG_4_3 is the RELENG_4_3_0_RELEASE branch with security fixes from the RELENG_4 branch? -- Succeed in spite of management. ====================================================================== Robert Goff http://aisling.cc/resume/ Technical Writer/Editor, Webmaster 505-564-8959 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 11:22:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rhea.worldonline.nl (rhea.worldonline.nl [195.241.48.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A55A37B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:22:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eric@monkey-online.net) Received: from monkey-online.net (unknown [195.241.113.9]) by rhea.worldonline.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8753736CCF; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:22:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3B5F0F9B.B9F4EDA4@monkey-online.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:27:39 +0200 From: Eric Veraart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Goff Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to cvsup the RELEASE version? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jep. > I read this, but didn't think I understood it. To verify: RELENG_4_3 is the > RELENG_4_3_0_RELEASE branch with security fixes from the RELENG_4 branch? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 11:25:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.imagers.com (unknown [209.195.2.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601B937B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:25:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Bmackintosh@operamail.com) Received: from [209.195.2.99] (209.195.2.99) by mail.imagers.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 25 Jul 2001 01:06:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:12:51 -0400 To: Sung Nae Cho From: Brown Mackintosh Subject: Re: Bullshit! Mac OS X is not FreeBSD. Get real please. Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [sorry, last one] FreeSD IS CRAP! stop giving to me crap - i've got enough, can't you seee?? I am teelling your selves becauyse you shud just admit it - listen to me for once in your lifes. FreeSD is slower than a cow, utterally! HOw can mac OSZ be FreeSD when it has the exact same core? NOw doesn't that make senese? Stupid? okay, I go US university which is veree gud, so I knows all about my smartness, okay? so stopp bothuring me! i am smart enouf to write my own os and maybe i will or maybe i will just go use linux - i mean it! me love you long time. if only I could ekspresse myselfe bettered - and how! please ignore that my schools is crap, my smartness is evidenced here as I assert. why dont chu STUPID developers and coders write a non-crap OS already! why do you insist and insist on making me waiting??>>; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:36:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from saper@barbera.system.pl) Received: (from saper@localhost) by barbera.system.pl (SYSTEM Internet) id f6PIYbI58579; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:34:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:34:37 +0200 From: Marcin Cieslak To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Completely unstable -stable (IPSEC) Message-ID: <20010725203437.A57661@barbera.system.pl> Mail-Followup-To: "Daniel C. Sobral" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org References: <3B5DD8BC.8010601@tcoip.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B5DD8BC.8010601@tcoip.com.br>; from daniel.sobral@tcoip.com.br on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 05:21:16PM -0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Unfortunately I have to send a me too report, I got such crashes with IPsec on an fxp-equipped server (no crashes on an IPsec-enabled notebook). However, I've got few crashes in nd6_timer, too. (The server has some IPv6 interfaces configured). Removing everything from the IPSec tables with setkey(8) didn't help. In order to prevent my server to crash (circa every 24 hours) I had to comment out INET6 and IPSEC* kernel options. -- << Marcin Cieslak // saper@system.pl >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 11:40:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alcatraz.triton.net (alcatraz.triton.net [209.172.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7111637B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:40:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jaker@alcatraz.triton.net) Received: (qmail 11351 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 18:41:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by 0 with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 18:41:06 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:41:06 -0400 From: Jake Roersma To: Sung Nae Cho Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: If you think people use FreeBSD for server, you must've been outta school for long long time! Message-ID: <20010725144106.A11245@alcatraz.triton.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: ; from sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 19:09:12 -0400 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.1.4 Lines: 43 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am glad I am not going or ever went to Virgina tech because for a physics major or professor you are a blazing idiot.. Ever since you've joined this mailing list I've been disgusted with the nonsense you've been ranting about.. If you are not interested in using or aiding in the development of FreeBSD I suggest you LEAVE! -- Jake Roersma Network Engineer Triton Technologies Inc. On 2001.07.24 19:09 Sung Nae Cho wrote: > Hi, > > As far as I know, at Virginia Tech, especially in Physics + > mathematics department, most of us use either Linux, FreeSD, and other > flavors of UNICES for non i386 machines. In we have Windows 2000 > installed for those computers that anyone can surf on internet for info. > Everyone that I know of uses Linux or FreeBSD for his/her desktop use, > not > server use. Why do we prefer to use Linux/FreeBSD over Windows for > desktop use? Well, all the C++/C/FORTRAN/LATEX.... /PDF, GHOSTSCRIPT > converters are all free! For Windows, that would cost thousands of $$. > Plus the simulations run faster on Linux and FreeBSD. Maybe 3 yrs ago, > both Linux and FreeBSD were for servers only. Servers are easy to make! > Now, Linux and FreeBSD are mainly used as a desktop for most people using > it. How many server administrators do you think are in U.S. compared to > the desktop UNIX users? Physics department has 2 server administrator > (they use Redhat Linux) compared to 40 Graduate students, 38 faculties > with 70% using either Linux or FreeBSD. If you keep tieing FreeBSD with > server market, you're only hurting FreeBSD community. Desktop is the > king! I sure don't use much of the server side of the FreeBSD on my > machine. Who cares! However, I expect my FreeBSD to fly when I'm > computing serious problems. If FreeBSD's going to ever survive in this > world, it needs to compete with Linux, Windows, OS X in desktop market! > > > Sung N. Cho > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 11:41:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.hexanet.fr (ns1.hexanet.fr [194.98.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C10137B405; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:41:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Received: from proton.hexanet.fr (proton.hexanet.fr [194.98.140.18]) by ns1.hexanet.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA92534; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:41:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Received: from hexanet.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by proton.hexanet.fr (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f6PIf3n05086; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:41:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:41:03 +0200 From: Christophe Prévotaux To: net@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: buildkernel fails again Message-Id: <20010725204103.7381ea1c.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.66 (GTK+ 1.2.7; i386--freebsd4.2) Organization: HEXANET Sarl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I tried to buildkernel on a FreeBSD RELENG_4_3 but I got the following message ===> ipfilter make: don't know how to make /usr/src/sys/modules/ipfilter/../../contrib/ipfilter/netinet/mlfk_ipl.c. Stop *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PROTON. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. can anyone tell me why it stop here ? and how to fix it ? -- =================================================================== Christophe Prevotaux Email: c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr HEXANET SARL URL: http://www.hexanet.fr/ Z.A Farman Sud Tel: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 05 9 rue Roland Coffignot Direct: +33 (0)3 26 79 08 02 BP415 Fax: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 06 51689 Reims Cedex 2 FRANCE =================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 11:50:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dookie.local (pc1-reda3-0-cust222.bre.cable.ntl.com [213.105.80.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CE2F37B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:50:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@witchspace.com) Received: (qmail 77833 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2001 18:49:48 -0000 Received: from lexx.local (HELO witchspace.com) (192.168.0.1) by dookie.local with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 18:49:48 -0000 Message-ID: <3B5F1548.BEB4F2D4@witchspace.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:51:52 +0100 From: Jonathan Belson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gerard Samuel Cc: Sung Nae Cho , stable Subject: Re: Is KDE 2.x.x Media Player (Noatun) working under FreeBSD? References: <3B5E547D.6010205@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gerard Samuel wrote: > > Its a kde/freebsd thing, and its known to the guys over at kde. If I > remember correctly, it has something to do with kdelibs, and I believe > that in the next version of kde would fix this. Hope they get it done, > I need it too.... :) If you're talking about mpeg playback working, it's apparently a threading problem which occurs with the mpeg library when compiled under FreeBSD. -- C-YA Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 12: 3: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from magrathea.epr.com (magrathea.epr.com [198.3.163.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AE737B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:03:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jsatterfield@intertrust.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magrathea.epr.com (8.9.3/8.7.3) id MAA19961 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown(198.3.162.27) by magrathea.epr.com via smap (V5.5) id xma019778; Wed, 25 Jul 01 12:02:02 -0700 Received: from exchange.epr.com (exchange.epr.com [198.3.162.249]) by maguro.epr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02697; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by exchange.epr.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:54:16 -0700 Message-ID: <720AE932C238D411B4D100C04F10DA6B0222BA50@exchange.epr.com> From: James Satterfield To: "'Philippe Le Berre'" , James Satterfield , "'stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: cvsup via socks5 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:54:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Are there any special make options for this? James. -----Original Message----- From: Philippe Le Berre [mailto:philippe@le-berre.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:05 PM To: James Satterfield; 'stable@freebsd.org' Subject: Re: cvsup via socks5 You need to have cvsup installed from the port collection such as to have a dynamically linked version and therefore socks-friendly. -philippe At 7/24/2001 06:37 PM -0700, James Satterfield wrote: >I'm having a very difficult time getting cvsup to run via socks5. I'm using >socks5 from to ports for a socks client. >Here's a little snippit of what's happening. > >jester# telnet cvsup2.freebsd.org 5999 >Trying 205.149.189.91... >telnet: connect to address 205.149.189.91: Connection refused # >Our firewall doesn't allow this port >telnet: Unable to connect to remote host >jester# runsocks telnet cvsup2.freebsd.org 5999 # >Our socks proxy does allow it. >Trying 0.0.0.1... ># Weird huh? This appears to be a problem with runsocks and I think that's >the culprit. >Connected to cvsup2.freebsd.org. >Escape character is '^]'. >OK 16 1 REL_16_1 CVSup server ready # >Taadaa! >^] >telnet> quit >Connection closed. >jester# runsocks cvsup -L 2 ports-supfile >Parsing supfile "ports-supfile" >Connecting to cvsup2.FreeBSD.org >Cannot connect to cvsup2.FreeBSD.org: Connection refused # >Doh! >Will retry at 18:38:52 > > >Makes it a little difficult to track stable. >Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated. >By the way, if there is a more apropriate mailing list for this, please let >me know. > >James. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 12:27:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f26.hotmail.com [216.32.181.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2704C37B406 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:27:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kmays2000@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:27:16 -0700 Received: from 139.76.65.132 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:27:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [139.76.65.132] From: "Kenneth Mays" To: sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: If you think people use FreeBSD for server, you must've been outta school for long long time! Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:27:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 19:27:16.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[D06F90E0:01C1153F] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A sidenote: 1. Your tools are actually free on the Windows platform. Most of the developers do ports and you can run most Unix tools on Windows platforms. 2. FreeBSD was originally designed to be a SERVER NOS. You can use it for desktops/laptops but that was not its purpose of design (as a "desktop" operating system in relation to Windows 95/98/Me/NT/Pro). You will notice that Windows NT Server was designed for that but not the Win 9x line. I use FreeBSd as a dul server and desktop machine very nicely. 3. Reliability, stability, performance - I give FreeBSD as much reliability as a Solaris desktop/server in both areas of concept (desktop vs. server). Unix is not perfect and does crash if you are trying to use it as a desktop more than as server. I've had a Netscape session lock up my Solaris desktop pretty bad. I've seen Solaris servers stop working for strange reasons and disconnect from the network. I PAY for Solaris (grrr!) but FreeBSD is totally FREE and I get just as good as the support off this newsgroup than I do off of my PAID solaris support contract!!!! FreeBSD is actually a very nice FREE version of Unix which can be used as a professional business server like Solaris. I run FreeBSD for my home NOC and Solaris at work. You can have several thousand connections in which I would have to pay $1K-$10K for licenses and connections. No thanks. Thanks to FreeBSD, I almost have a penniless NOC. Ken _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 12:28: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from magrathea.epr.com (magrathea.epr.com [198.3.163.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B931837B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:28:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jsatterfield@intertrust.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magrathea.epr.com (8.9.3/8.7.3) id MAA24426 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown(198.3.162.27) by magrathea.epr.com via smap (V5.5) id xma024359; Wed, 25 Jul 01 12:27:48 -0700 Received: from exchange.epr.com (exchange.epr.com [198.3.162.249]) by maguro.epr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04555; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by exchange.epr.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:25:36 -0700 Message-ID: <720AE932C238D411B4D100C04F10DA6B0222BA52@exchange.epr.com> From: James Satterfield To: James Satterfield , "'Philippe Le Berre'" , "'stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: cvsup via socks5 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:25:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG WooHoo!!!! It works! Thank you Philippe! James. -----Original Message----- From: James Satterfield Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 11:54 AM To: 'Philippe Le Berre'; James Satterfield; 'stable@freebsd.org' Subject: RE: cvsup via socks5 Are there any special make options for this? James. -----Original Message----- From: Philippe Le Berre [mailto:philippe@le-berre.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:05 PM To: James Satterfield; 'stable@freebsd.org' Subject: Re: cvsup via socks5 You need to have cvsup installed from the port collection such as to have a dynamically linked version and therefore socks-friendly. -philippe At 7/24/2001 06:37 PM -0700, James Satterfield wrote: >I'm having a very difficult time getting cvsup to run via socks5. I'm using >socks5 from to ports for a socks client. >Here's a little snippit of what's happening. > >jester# telnet cvsup2.freebsd.org 5999 >Trying 205.149.189.91... >telnet: connect to address 205.149.189.91: Connection refused # >Our firewall doesn't allow this port >telnet: Unable to connect to remote host >jester# runsocks telnet cvsup2.freebsd.org 5999 # >Our socks proxy does allow it. >Trying 0.0.0.1... ># Weird huh? This appears to be a problem with runsocks and I think that's >the culprit. >Connected to cvsup2.freebsd.org. >Escape character is '^]'. >OK 16 1 REL_16_1 CVSup server ready # >Taadaa! >^] >telnet> quit >Connection closed. >jester# runsocks cvsup -L 2 ports-supfile >Parsing supfile "ports-supfile" >Connecting to cvsup2.FreeBSD.org >Cannot connect to cvsup2.FreeBSD.org: Connection refused # >Doh! >Will retry at 18:38:52 > > >Makes it a little difficult to track stable. >Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated. >By the way, if there is a more apropriate mailing list for this, please let >me know. > >James. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 12:38:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peace.mahoroba.org (peace.calm.imasy.or.jp [202.227.26.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2A737B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:38:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Received: from localhost (IDENT:dbip3a5aKwtZyhzy6clvLQEK8UGa0PkY1nMHPA+mh0gzjLx1mFp38Yqt8om8KOC2@localhost [::1]) (authenticated as ume with CRAM-MD5) by peace.mahoroba.org (8.11.4/8.11.4/peace) with ESMTP/inet6 id f6PJZ4u71329; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:35:04 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:35:04 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20010726.043504.85327157.ume@mahoroba.org> To: saper@system.pl Cc: daniel.sobral@tcoip.com.br, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Completely unstable -stable (IPSEC) From: Hajimu UMEMOTO In-Reply-To: <20010725203437.A57661@barbera.system.pl> References: <3B5DD8BC.8010601@tcoip.com.br> <20010725203437.A57661@barbera.system.pl> X-Mailer: xcite1.38> Mew version 1.95b119 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 =?iso-2022-jp?B?KBskQjJWMWMbKEIp?= X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/publickey.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 0C 53 FC 5D D0 37 91 05 D0 B3 EF 36 9B 6A BC X-URL: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:34:37 +0200 >>>>> Marcin Cieslak said: saper> I've got few crashes in nd6_timer, too. (The server saper> has some IPv6 interfaces configured). It is another issue. There is proposed fix but it was not committed. So, I just committed it. It is also applicable to 4-STABLE, http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/net/route.c.diff?r1=1.62&r2=1.63 -- Hajimu UMEMOTO @ Internet Mutual Aid Society Yokohama, Japan ume@mahoroba.org ume@bisd.hitachi.co.jp ume@{,jp.}FreeBSD.org http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 12:42: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web14704.mail.yahoo.com (web14704.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C35F837B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:41:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hackr_d@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010725194157.78986.qmail@web14704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.67.120.228] by web14704.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:41:57 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:41:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Donn Miller Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! To: Kal Torak Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <3B5E70EC.2855F1CB@quake.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- Kal Torak wrote: > I hate feeding trolls and such (hell I got 200 messages from > the feeding frenzy), but I dont really see what the problem is? > > FreeBSD works great as a desktop O/S!? Actually, I hate Windoze ME as a desktop OS. It has poor performance all around, and on top of that, there are no virtual desktops. FreeBSD has better performance, and your choice of desktop, which all pretty much include multiple workspaces. (How can a desktop OS survive w/out multiple workspaces?) Terrible filesystem performance, fragmentation issues, constant swapping, horrendous multi-tasking. I have none of these problems with FreeBSD. In fact, I do work as a WinDOS developer, and I use Winelib & winemaker to build my Doze projects on FreeBSD. (I have to do this until I can find work as a unix/X11 programmer.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 13: 6: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quack.kfu.com (quack.kfu.com [205.178.90.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0231237B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:06:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from morpheus.kfu.com (morpheus.kfu.com [3ffe:1200:301b:1:2d0:b7ff:fe3f:bdd0]) by quack.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6PK5tl56011 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK) for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:06:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from quack.kfu.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by morpheus.kfu.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6PK5t200570 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:05:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Message-ID: <3B5F26A3.7000304@quack.kfu.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:05:55 -0700 From: Nick Sayer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010701 X-Accept-Language: en, en-US, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: USB problems - VIA chipset? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I swapped out my motherboard and USB printing broke. Machine 1: USB printing through ulpt0 to an Epson photo 870 works. uhci0: port 0xd800-0xd81f irq 10 at device 1.2 on pci0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered The IRQ is not shared. Machine 2: USB printing through ulpt0 is hopelessly screwed. Nothing comes out of the printer and attempting to detach the printer results in the port having a "problem" and being disabled. uhci0: port 0xc800-0xc81f irq 11 at device 4.2 on pci0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ulpt0: EPSON USB Printer, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 2, iclass 7/1 uhci1: port 0xcc00-0xcc1f irq 11 at device 4.3 on pci0 usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered The IRQs are shared between the two UHCI instances and a PCI video card that is not being used for anything whatsoever. Machine 2 is an Asus K7M. Machine 1 is an older Asus socket 7 motherboard of some sort. The OS in both cases is from RELENG_4_3. Anyone have any ideas? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 13: 9:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AF237B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:09:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@root.com) Received: (from dg@localhost) by root.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f6PJu6m24179; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:56:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:56:06 -0700 From: David Greenman To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Christophe_Pr=E9votaux?= Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What FTPd FreeBSD uses? Message-ID: <20010725125606.F18533@nexus.root.com> References: <011901c10f8c$4be2aff0$0c00a8c0@qnuno> <20010725102931.D18533@nexus.root.com> <20010725195629.40011b69.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010725195629.40011b69.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr>; from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 07:56:29PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >What is so special about it ? any neat features ? The main thing is that it has an extremely small memory footprint and very little per-process local memory usage. Of course it also uses sendfile() and has an ingenious way of keeping track of the number of logins in each class that is essentially zero overhead. It has some of the features of wu-ftpd, but none of wu-ftpd's problems. It isn't opensource, but has been deployed by freebsd.org, cdrom.com, freesoftware.com, and intel.com. -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org President, TeraSolutions, Inc. - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 13:18:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from finland.ispro.net.tr (finland.ispro.net.tr [217.21.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BB037B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:18:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yurtesen@ispro.net.tr) Received: from localhost (yurtesen@localhost) by finland.ispro.net.tr (8.11.4/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f6PKI7U13868 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:18:08 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from yurtesen@ispro.net.tr) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:18:07 +0300 (EEST) From: Evren Yurtesen To: Subject: adduser bug!? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have recently made a make world last week and I have some adduser problems in my machines. Below are the description of the problems I use YP/NIS so in password file I have this kind of entry to import people from webadmin group into a machine and override their UID/GID +@webadmin::1000:20:::::/usr/local/apache/www: webadmin:*:1000:20::0:0:ISPRO Web Admin:/usr/local/apache/www:/bin/tcsh BUT adduser things there are 2 users with same UID/GID in passwd file If I remember right then this was not like this 2 weeks ago... webmaster:/root#adduser Use option ``-silent'' if you don't want to see all warnings and questions. Check /etc/shells Shell: /nonexistent not executable! Check /etc/master.passwd User +@webadmin: uid 1000 exists twice: webadmin there is same problems which adduser complains about the group file here is what is in my group file # $FreeBSD: src/etc/group,v 1.19 1999/08/27 23:23:41 peter Exp $ # +wheel:*:: +staff:*:: wheel:*:0:root daemon:*:1:daemon kmem:*:2:root sys:*:3:root tty:*:4:root operator:*:5:root mail:*:6: bin:*:7: news:*:8: man:*:9: games:*:13: staff:*:20:root guest:*:31:root bind:*:53: uucp:*:66: xten:*:67:xten dialer:*:68: network:*:69: nogroup:*:65533: nobody:*:65534: when I try to use adduser it reports; tucows:/etc#adduser Use option ``-silent'' if you don't want to see all warnings and questions. Check /etc/shells Check /etc/master.passwd Check /etc/group Groupid exists twice: +staff: -> +wheel: Enter your default shell: csh date no sh tcsh [tcsh]: because the GID fields are empty then I try to change it so I write 0 and 20 respectively into the GID fields then it complains there are same groups again etc. everything is so fuzzy... Is this my imagination or somebody changed some code in adduser? Evren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 13:31: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtprelay2.adelphia.net (smtprelay2.adelphia.net [64.8.25.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4647F37B408 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:30:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brade@adelphia.net) Received: from layla.ioplasm.local ([24.52.198.114]) by smtprelay2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GH1QCE02.LKS; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:31:26 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Brad Ely To: Morten Vinding Nielsen , "'Derek C.'" Subject: Re: APM bug? Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:31:30 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <2D3005375CAED31199D00008C784963F02C0F448@ms02.mobilix.dk> In-Reply-To: <2D3005375CAED31199D00008C784963F02C0F448@ms02.mobilix.dk> Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01072516313000.00481@layla.ioplasm.local> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 24 July 2001 05:27, Morten Vinding Nielsen wrote: > Just remove the "disable", recompile and your kernel will have APM > support. > > Btw. is there another way of enabling a disabled device, than boot usin= g > boot -c and enable it from the bootup-config? > I was thinking of a boot-configuration file where it could be set, so > that we don't have to recompile the kernel to get APM or PCCARD support > for instance. > > /Morten The loader man page describes how to load a script (interactively). The script must contain lines exactly as typed in the command-line mode (CLI), so if you are familiar only with the full-screen mode you can type 'help' at the CLI prompt and investigate from there. Then... the loader.conf man page mentions a setting to load a userconfig script (automatically). I was forced to track this down when I had once saved an unwanted setting from an initial installation. ----[snip]----man loader EXAMPLES ... Loads kernel's user configuration file. Notice that a kernel must b= e loaded before any other load command is attempted. =20 load kernel load -t userconfig_script /boot/kernel.conf ... ----[snip]----man loader.conf DEFAULT SETTINGS ... userconfig_script_load (``NO'') If set to ``YES'', will load the userconfig data. ... ----[snip]----/boot/loader.conf userconfig_script_load=3D"YES" userconfig_script_name=3D"/boot/kernel.conf" userconfig_script_type=3D"userconfig_script" ----[snip]----/boot/kernel.conf enable apm0 Regards, Brad Ely To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 13:45:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.imagers.com (unknown [209.195.2.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7183637B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:45:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph_gargery@operamail.com) Received: from [209.195.2.99] (209.195.2.99) by mail.imagers.com (Worldmail 1.3.167); 24 Jul 2001 19:22:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:28:25 -0400 To: Sung Nae Cho From: Joseph Gargery Subject: Re: If you think people use FreeBSD for server, you must've been outta school for long long time! Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG troll. i thought you promised to switch to linux. please leave. goodbye. >Hi, > >As far as I know, at Virginia Tech, especially in Physics + >mathematics department, most of us use either Linux, FreeSD, and other >flavors of UNICES for non i386 machines. In we have Windows 2000 >installed for those computers that anyone can surf on internet for info. >Everyone that I know of uses Linux or FreeBSD for his/her desktop use, not >server use. Why do we prefer to use Linux/FreeBSD over Windows for >desktop use? Well, all the C++/C/FORTRAN/LATEX.... /PDF, GHOSTSCRIPT >converters are all free! For Windows, that would cost thousands of $$. >Plus the simulations run faster on Linux and FreeBSD. Maybe 3 yrs ago, >both Linux and FreeBSD were for servers only. Servers are easy to make! >Now, Linux and FreeBSD are mainly used as a desktop for most people using >it. How many server administrators do you think are in U.S. compared to >the desktop UNIX users? Physics department has 2 server administrator >(they use Redhat Linux) compared to 40 Graduate students, 38 faculties >with 70% using either Linux or FreeBSD. If you keep tieing FreeBSD with >server market, you're only hurting FreeBSD community. Desktop is the >king! I sure don't use much of the server side of the FreeBSD on my >machine. Who cares! However, I expect my FreeBSD to fly when I'm >computing serious problems. If FreeBSD's going to ever survive in this >world, it needs to compete with Linux, Windows, OS X in desktop market! > > >Sung N. Cho > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 13:57:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [63.169.72.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10A737B407 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:57:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shawn@megadeth.org) Received: from shawn (72-222-dhcp-1.xDSL.rdlca.cpl.net [63.169.72.222]) by luke.cpl.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f6PKvhb30464 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003601c1154c$7240ed40$de48a93f@shawn> From: "Shawn Ramsey" To: Subject: Not updating /etc Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:57:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am going to be upgrading a 4.1.1 system to 4-Stable. Is it ok to not update /etc? I've done this in the past w/o problems, but that was way back when... (2.x/3.x) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 14: 2:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-104-149.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.104.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5D837B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:02:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9382B66E04; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:02:36 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: ray.kohler@mail.com Cc: Kris Kennaway , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Looks like (some) networking is broken Message-ID: <20010725140236.A58360@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <084423909011971FE8@mail8.mgfairfax.rr.com> <20010724191258.B39551@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010725064431.6bd50118.rkohler1@cox.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010725064431.6bd50118.rkohler1@cox.rr.com>; from rkohler1@cox.rr.com on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 06:44:31AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 06:44:31AM -0400, Ray Kohler wrote: > Two things: > A) I will freely admit that disregarding the directions and then > complaining when it doesn't work is stupid; I wish to apologize for > bugging you and for making the list read this (especially now with > so much noise here for some reason; maybe it's that CIA mind control > satellite again ;) ) > B) I've rebuilt "the right way" and everything works fine now. Cool, glad to hear it. Kris --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7XzPrWry0BWjoQKURAls4AKDn+cUwfc+rbpjJ+khHKgCslZEz/QCfSq6O T4bk7ckw7R1yoJB5vko5cEY= =mGom -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 14: 4:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-104-149.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.104.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1D937B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:04:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B853566E04; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:04:22 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" Cc: Robert Goff , FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: How to cvsup the RELEASE version? Message-ID: <20010725140422.B58360@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <005201c1152f$85cc00b0$3028680a@tgt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <005201c1152f$85cc00b0$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:30:38PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:30:38PM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > RELENG_4_3_0_RELEASE Much better to do RELENG_4_3 so you don't end up with a system with known serious security vulnerabilities. Kris --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7XzRVWry0BWjoQKURAnaKAJ40Y6ddQmDzWm4rMTdpdFYfRznaMQCg2UZw 6e7AxFS8HkaK0cK7tff3oTI= =O4Fz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 14: 5:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-104-149.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.104.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3B037B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:05:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AF26F6722E; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:05:08 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Shawn Ramsey Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Not updating /etc Message-ID: <20010725140508.C58360@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <003601c1154c$7240ed40$de48a93f@shawn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="f+W+jCU1fRNres8c" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <003601c1154c$7240ed40$de48a93f@shawn>; from shawn@megadeth.org on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 01:57:41PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --f+W+jCU1fRNres8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 01:57:41PM -0700, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > I am going to be upgrading a 4.1.1 system to 4-Stable. Is it ok to not > update /etc? I've done this in the past w/o problems, but that was way back > when... (2.x/3.x) You should update /etc using mergemaster whenever you do major updates. Kris --f+W+jCU1fRNres8c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7XzSDWry0BWjoQKURAlpHAJ43zKiPn3MRoI+XkO9RR3meKGj95ACePtMR tFtkkSow0Cqbgep3ppqZ9ko= =pevp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --f+W+jCU1fRNres8c-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 14: 6:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from herbelot.dyndns.org (d211.dhcp212-26.cybercable.fr [212.198.26.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F7637B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:06:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thierry@herbelot.com) Received: from herbelot.com (multi.herbelot.nom [192.168.1.2]) by herbelot.dyndns.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16740; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:07:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from thierry@herbelot.com) Message-ID: <3B5F34B0.BF32DF9D@herbelot.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:05:52 +0200 From: Thierry Herbelot X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shawn Ramsey Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Not updating /etc References: <003601c1154c$7240ed40$de48a93f@shawn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Shawn Ramsey wrote: > > I am going to be upgrading a 4.1.1 system to 4-Stable. Is it ok to not > update /etc? I've done this in the past w/o problems, but that was way back > when... (2.x/3.x) the recent freeBSD releases include mergemaster which helps *A LOT* upgrading the /etc hierarchy and NO, you should NOT leave your /etc untouched > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Thierry Herbelot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 14: 7:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gw-nl1.origin-it.com (gw-nl1.origin-it.com [193.79.128.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36F437B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:07:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Helge.Oldach@atosorigin.com) Received: from exchsmtp-nl1.origin-it.com (localhost.origin-it.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl1.origin-it.com with ESMTP id XAA07550; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:07:41 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from Helge.Oldach@atosorigin.com) Received: from exchsmtp-nl1.origin-it.com(172.16.127.66) by gw-nl1.origin-it.com via mwrap (4.0a) id xma007548; Wed, 25 Jul 01 23:07:44 +0200 Received: from mail.de.origin-it.com (smtprelay-de1.origin-it.com [172.16.188.53]) by exchsmtp-nl1.origin-it.com (8.9.3/8.8.5-1.2.2m-19990317) with ESMTP id XAA29507; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:07:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mailhub.de.origin-it.com (mailhub.de.origin-it.com [172.16.189.20]) by mail.de.origin-it.com (8.9.3/8.8.5-1.2.2m-19990317) with ESMTP id XAA03076; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:07:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from galaxy.de.cp.philips.com (galaxy.de.cp.philips.com [130.143.166.29]) by mailhub.de.origin-it.com (8.11.4/8.11.4/hmo19jul01) with ESMTP id f6PL7c090702; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:07:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Helge.Oldach@de.origin-it.com) Received: (from hmo@localhost) by galaxy.de.cp.philips.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/hmo14aug98) id XAA18311; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:07:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200107252107.XAA18311@galaxy.de.cp.philips.com> Subject: Re: Strange errors in /var/log/messages In-Reply-To: <20010724222437.A880@pc-service.ch> from Martin Schweizer at "Jul 24, 2001 10:24:37 pm" To: info@pc-service.ch Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:07:37 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Helge Oldach X-Address: Atos Origin GmbH, Billstrasse 80, D-20539 Hamburg, Germany X-Phone: +49 40 7886 464, Fax: +49 40 7886 235, Mobile: +49 160 4782517 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Martin Schweizer: >If my ppp dial up automatic I've some strange error in the root shell (and in >/var/log/message): > >Jul 24 21:49:33 /kernel: i4b-L3-i4b_decode_q931_cs0_ie: Unknown IE 39 - 0x27 0x1 0xe8 >Jul 24 22:00:10 /kernel: i4b-L3-i4b_decode_q931_cs0_ie: Unknown IE 39 - 0x27 0x1 0xe8 >Jul 24 22:01:30 /kernel: i4b-L3-i4b_decode_q931_cs0_ie: Unknown IE 39 - 0x27 0x1 0xe8 >Jul 24 22:05:53 last message repeated 3 times > >What does they mean or what is going wrong? Nothing is wrong. Your ISDN switch is sending information elements (IEs) that FreeBSD's I4BSD subsystem cannot recognize. Too lazy too look up what code 39 might be, however it is perfectly safe to ignore it. Probably I4BSD should silently ignore unknown IEs rather than yelling. Helge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 14:48:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from warez.scriptkiddie.org (uswest-dsl-142-38.cortland.com [209.162.142.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3217D37B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:48:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lamont@scriptkiddie.org) Received: from [192.168.69.11] (unknown [192.168.69.11]) by warez.scriptkiddie.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD0362D01; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:48:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Lamont Granquist To: Mit Rowe Cc: Sung Nae Cho , Subject: RE: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010725144457.T59081-100000@coredump.scriptkiddie.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Mit Rowe wrote: > I wouldn't use FreeBSD for a desktop if my life depended on it. I've been using FreeBSD as desktops, both at home and on my work laptop, for the past 5 months and don't have any complaints. I'm certainly having a much better experience with it than I had as a Sysadmin in a dot-bomb where we had Linux on the desktop. (Of course, I don't make heavy use of office apps -- I tend to use irc, mozilla and vi+gcc mostly) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 15: 4:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from Mail6.nc.rr.com (fe6.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8347337B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:04:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aa8vb@nc.rr.com) Received: from stealth.cary.dummynet ([66.57.28.236]) by Mail6.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:04:05 -0400 Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.cary.dummynet (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6PM3Sx17447; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:03:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from aa8vb@nc.rr.com) X-Authentication-Warning: stealth.cary.dummynet: rhh set sender to aa8vb@nc.rr.com using -f Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:03:28 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Pete French Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Telnet problem from Windows to stable from July 18th Message-ID: <20010725180328.A17305@nc.rr.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from pfrench@firstcallgroup.co.uk on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 03:42:47PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Pete French: |I have a user whos login .profile consists of the line: |exec bin/test.sh | |The script "test.sh" looks like this: ... |while test "${FILE_NAME}" = "" |do ... | read n ... |done ... |What now happens is that if someone telnets to the box (from any |windows telnet client - not just the standard telnet) and logs in |then are presented with a continually scrolling screen of | |Choice: is not a valid choice - please choose again |Choice: is not a valid choice - please choose again ... |Interestingly, if I alter the .profile to | |bin/test.sh |exit ... |then the script functions fine. Don't know the reason why but it sure sounds like that when the Bourne script is execed from ~/.profile, the terminal isn't being connected up to the stdin of the script, but when you invoke it as a child process it is. To the top of your test.sh script, add a: $ if [ -t 0 ]; then echo Got a terminal else echo What\! ... No Terminal\! fi check and see what happens. Randall -- Randall Hopper aa8vb@nc.rr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 15:24:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail8.nc.rr.com (fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525E437B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:24:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aa8vb@nc.rr.com) Received: from stealth.cary.dummynet ([66.57.28.236]) by mail8.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:24:39 -0400 Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.cary.dummynet (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6PMO3W17721 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:24:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from aa8vb@nc.rr.com) X-Authentication-Warning: stealth.cary.dummynet: rhh set sender to aa8vb@nc.rr.com using -f Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:24:03 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: kldunload --> SYSTEM FREEZE Message-ID: <20010725182403.A17617@nc.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Was experimenting with mods to the DRI modules on -stable, and half to my surprise when I first tried a "kldunload mga.ko" (to then reload the new version) my system locked hard. I know what happened. But I'm wondering, what "should" happen. Would you say: a) Doh! Well of "course" it's going to lock up stupid! Don't do that! b) It really shouldn't lock up. It should flat refuse to unload, but something is apparently broken. c) It should unload, but a pre-unload "cleanup hook" probably isn't implemented. Randall -- Randall Hopper aa8vb@nc.rr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 15:35:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0FA37B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:35:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott_t@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.122.163.98] (helo=laptop) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #9) id 15PXFE-00057s-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:35:09 +0100 Message-ID: <00f301c1155a$17401480$0200000a@intranet> From: "Scott Taggart" To: References: <3B5ECE33.463186E@uralexpress.ru> <20010726002905G.fujita@soum.co.jp> Subject: Re: vr interface... Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:35:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Solution: RTFM! where M = the vr manpage Watchdog timeout means the device has stopped responding to the network but usually means it's just stopped responding period. I own a DFE530-TX and it works totally fine with no problems at all. I had the exact same problems with watchdog timeouts to start with but tracked the problem down to the fact that I put the card in the wrong slot. It needs to be in the highest priority slot (the bus mastering slot) which is usually pci0, i put mine in pci4 by mistake. Although the card isn't the best card in the world, it's cheap, cheerful and it works! Rgds. Scott Taggart ----- Original Message ----- From: "FUJITA Kazutoshi" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 4:29 PM Subject: Re: vr interface... > From: "Serge V. Panchencko" > Subject: vr interface... > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:48:35 +0600 > Message-ID: <3B5ECE33.463186E@uralexpress.ru> > > > I've changed my old FreeBSD box (2.2.8-S/P-166/2xD-Link > > EhetrNICs) to new 4.3-R/Cel733/2xD-Link PCI EtherNICs and > > I'm having throubles: when hight load on vr0 interfaces, > > this interface stopped for 1..5 min... > > I have another NIC which probed as "vr0", and have same problem. > > > -- my dmesg -- > ... snip > vr0: port 0xa800-0xa8ff mem 0xec800000-0xec80 > 00ff irq 9 at device 11.0 on pci0 > vr0: Ethernet address: 00:90:99:22:e0:14 > miibus0: on vr0 > acphy0: on miibus0 > acphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto > ... snip > vr0: watchdog timeout > > > Regards, > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 15:38:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from exchangech.dunnsys.com (unknown [208.178.202.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2C137B419 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:38:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidLa@dunnsolutions.com) Received: by exchangech.dunnsys.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:37:38 -0500 Message-ID: <132A7BCD951DD511B33F00105AE55CA00B6C35@MARTIN> From: David La Croix To: 'Randall Hopper' , stable@freebsd.org Subject: RE: kldunload --> SYSTEM FREEZE Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:44:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had the same thing happen with a 4.3R box with the if_tun kld. (Machine is in a remote location -- and according to the on-site help -- it rebooted itself) -----Original Message----- From: Randall Hopper [mailto:aa8vb@nc.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:24 PM To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: kldunload --> SYSTEM FREEZE Was experimenting with mods to the DRI modules on -stable, and half to my surprise when I first tried a "kldunload mga.ko" (to then reload the new version) my system locked hard. I know what happened. But I'm wondering, what "should" happen. Would you say: a) Doh! Well of "course" it's going to lock up stupid! Don't do that! b) It really shouldn't lock up. It should flat refuse to unload, but something is apparently broken. c) It should unload, but a pre-unload "cleanup hook" probably isn't implemented. Randall -- Randall Hopper aa8vb@nc.rr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 15:38:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B7D37B430 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:38:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott_t@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.122.163.98] (helo=laptop) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #9) id 15PXIQ-0001iG-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:38:26 +0100 Message-ID: <00fb01c1155a$8d353940$0200000a@intranet> From: "Scott Taggart" To: Subject: The vr driver Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:38:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, perhaps I lied a bit :) The D-Link has got a known bug... well the driver has got a known bug mentioned in the man page under bugs that causes the connection to jump like MAD every 5 seconds when you ssh or something similar into the machine on the local network. Apparently this is not noticeable on faster machines but on my P233 it's sure as hell noticeable and annoying... stick with the initial "get a new NIC" answer... :) Rgds. Scott Taggart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 15:46: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hellraiser.cannoncreek.com (unknown [202.78.79.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8924737B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:45:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mars@hellraiser.cannoncreek.com) Received: (qmail 21756 invoked by uid 1001); 25 Jul 2001 04:09:22 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Mars G Miro Reply-To: mars@cannoncreek.com To: "Sung Nae Cho" , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD ROCKs! (was Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market!) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:09:21 +0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <013d01c114c1$394ee540$4500a8c0@nomad> In-Reply-To: <013d01c114c1$394ee540$4500a8c0@nomad> Received: from the Dark Corners of Oblivion (172.16.1.254) X-Sender-Ip: 172.16.1.254 X-Copyright: 2001, Mars G. Miro, All Rights Reserved X-Notice: Redistribution and Duplication prohibited without proper consent of the Author MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01072512092100.21676@hellraiser.cannoncreek.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for feeding the troll.. ;-) > From: "Sung Nae Cho" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:40 AM > Subject: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! > .. > > but chewing on snickers bar sitting in corner of some room full of racks > > and HDD's. And, I bet most people use FreeBSD for desktop use, not as > > server use! Oh really? FreeBSD ROCKs: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html >>I've shut down the computer by plugging the power plug out > > just because I was upset or not in the moeed and all it cost me was some > > extra time booting due to file system check. I've never had any of my > > files, emails or anything like that being lost due to cold shutting my > > computer. I'm sick of this server administrators always crying for > > stability. If FreeBSD won't take use of all the capabilities offered in > > todays hard drives, I won't be using it! I'll switch right over to > > Linux. Come on, desktop is the king and FreeBSD should focus itself > > evolving in desktop market. If you gonna whine about stability, go back > > to FreeBSD 2.x, 3.x. For me, FreeBSD 4.x, 5.x should be more desktop > > oriented, and desktops need performance!!!!! > > FWIW, I use FreeBSD for my desktop (aside from our servers) and it also ROCKs! Maybe you ought to need to RTFM about tuning(8) your system. > > > > Sung N. Cho > > cheers mars -- I suggest you locate your hot tub outside your house, so it won't do too much damage if it catches fire or explodes. First you decide which direction your hot tub should face for maximum solar energy. After much trial and error, I have found that the best direction for a hot tub to face is up. -- Dave Barry, "The Taming of the Screw" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 15:53:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036F037B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:53:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f6PMkbP18060; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:46:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:46:37 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Randall Hopper Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kldunload --> SYSTEM FREEZE Message-ID: <20010725154637.A15193@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20010725182403.A17617@nc.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010725182403.A17617@nc.rr.com>; from aa8vb@nc.rr.com on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 06:24:03PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 06:24:03PM -0400, Randall Hopper wrote: > Was experimenting with mods to the DRI modules on -stable, and half = to > my surprise when I first tried a "kldunload mga.ko" (to then reload the n= ew > version) my system locked hard. I know what happened. But I'm wondering, > what "should" happen. >=20 > Would you say: >=20 > a) Doh! Well of "course" it's going to lock up stupid! Don't do th= at! >=20 > b) It really shouldn't lock up. It should flat refuse to unload, but > something is apparently broken. >=20 > c) It should unload, but a pre-unload "cleanup hook" probably isn't > implemented. It should really be c, but if not c then b. Many drivers were converted to the KLD framework with bogus unloads which just return EINVAL which should stop the unload according to the code in kern/kern_linker.c. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7X0xMXY6L6fI4GtQRAvP/AKCk1HYiD7HE9DNwsg+toYkn5dfl0wCgn1S2 rfGWF5HL2O/jgVlpJ44djGw= =yklG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 16:25: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ghostwheel.tribble.net (ghostwheel.tribble.net [206.124.26.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E9E37B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:24:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tribble@tribble.net) Received: (from tribble@localhost) by ghostwheel.tribble.net (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6PNOtF16802 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:24:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tribble@tribble.net) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:24:55 -0600 From: Paul To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD ROCKs! (was Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market!) Message-ID: <20010725172455.A16707@tribble.net> References: <013d01c114c1$394ee540$4500a8c0@nomad> <01072512092100.21676@hellraiser.cannoncreek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01072512092100.21676@hellraiser.cannoncreek.com>; from mars@cannoncreek.com on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:09:21PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Once upon a time, Mars G Miro scribed: > Sorry for feeding the troll.. ;-) BAD -stable daemon, BAD! heh. Anyhow, moving right along I'd just like to also be bad, and share with everyone that at the ISP I work for all of the technical staff use FreeBSD w/ XFree as their desktop machines, and it's a godsend. I can't imagine if we were all using windows... "Sorry sir, I can get you that information in just a moment, once my system is done rebooting." On the server side, we use a mixture of Solaris 2.6 and FreeBSD (various versions, depending on when the system was initially configured). I've personally, and professionally used FreeBSD as a desktop since 2.1.5 (circa early 97) and always been very happy with it. It's still not the hottest shit for multimedia, but then it's come a long way since I started using it. Regards, Paul http://www.tribble.net/ "Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy?" -- Thomas Jefferson Indeed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 16:44:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quasar.phys.vt.edu (quasar.phys.vt.edu [128.173.176.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B9337B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:44:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu) Received: from localhost (sucho2@localhost) by quasar.phys.vt.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6PNiW922221; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:44:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:44:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Sung Nae Cho To: Jason Andresen Cc: Nicolas Grieco , Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! In-Reply-To: <3B5ECC36.47621190@mitre.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Don't be embarrassed. Although I'm working on Ph.D. in physics at Virginia Tech, I hate the f**king school. Don't get me wrong, I like the physics department and folks in department. But, rest of the school, I don't give f**k. Virginia Tech is the shittiest school I've ever been too. This is the school full of dumb f**k Southern bitches and dorky punks, God only knows how they even got their jobs at Tech, full of bureaucrats who are only concerend with their image and putting down on Blacks and other minorities! This is the school still White kids make joke about Blacks and that happens naturally around here. Thank God at leats Physics and much of Engineering depts. are evenly composed of scholars from all over the world; and we don't tolerate such ignorance! Now, you can have all the pride of this shit hole school yourself. I don't want any of it and I'm not even proud to be called a Virginia Tech student. I'm only here because Physics department doesn't tolerate such ignorance. You are the one that's making me embarrassed by even considering me as a Virginia Tech student! Please, refer me as someone from Physics department but don't tie me with the shit hole Virginia Tech. Sung N. Cho, Dept. of Physics, Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University. On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Jason Andresen wrote: > Sung Nae Cho wrote: > > > > Aarrgh! Must...Resist...Trolling... > > Nuts, well I'll make this short: > > > > > I don't know how far this have gone down the road and altered throughout > > the course. But, I've never said desktops don't need stability. It all > > started with some faction of FreeBSD users complaining about the default > > enable of the disk write cache for modern hard drives in FreeBSD 4.x > > series. My original post was literally responding to them, "Come on! > > This is 21st Century and hard disks are reliable and we need to take full > > advantage over those capable devices if FreeBSD's ever going to succeed in > > desktop market. FreeBSD is no longer for server use only!" Personally, > > I've been using UDMA capable disks (and, who doesn't these days?) with all > > the DMA capabilities fully turned on and never had to compromise > > performance with stability. If you are so worried about UDMA capable > > disks to not to work as it suppose to, why in the world are you even > > getting UDMA disk? Jee, lets get real here. Too many of the FreeBSD > > Where did this non-sequitor come from? > > Current state of FreeBSD: > > ATA disks are run at the maximum transfer rate the disk, controller, and > cable allow. This includes things like UDMA100/66/33. > Write Caching is enabled by default now. > Filesystems have the option of running Softupdates, which almost as > fast and _MUCH_ more reliable than async. > ATAPI devices (CDROMs mostly) do not use DMA by default because a lot > of ATAPI devices flat out lie about what they support. This is easily > tunable if you are _sure_ your ATAPI devices supports DMA. It's just > common sense. > > > Dept. of Physics, > > Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University. > > As a Tech alumni, this embarrasses me. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 17: 0: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5181937B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:59:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@root.com) Received: (from dg@localhost) by root.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f6PNko024874; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:46:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:46:50 -0700 From: David Greenman To: Sung Nae Cho Cc: Jason Andresen , Nicolas Grieco , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! Message-ID: <20010725164650.H14981@nexus.root.com> References: <3B5ECC36.47621190@mitre.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: ; from sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 07:44:32PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I really think this has gone just about as far outside of our email list charter for freebsd-stable as one can get (without perhaps talking about space aliens). Please either move this to freebsd-chat or stop this thread now. -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org President, TeraSolutions, Inc. - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. >Don't be embarrassed. Although I'm working on Ph.D. in physics at >Virginia Tech, I hate the f**king school. Don't get me wrong, I like the >physics department and folks in department. But, rest of the school, >I don't give f**k. Virginia Tech is the shittiest school I've ever been >too. This is the school full of dumb f**k Southern bitches and dorky punks, >God only knows how they even got their jobs at Tech, full of bureaucrats who >are only concerend with their image and putting down on Blacks and other >minorities! This is the school still White kids make joke about Blacks >and that happens naturally around here. Thank God at leats Physics and >much of Engineering depts. are evenly composed of scholars from all >over the world; and we don't tolerate such ignorance! Now, you can have >all the pride of this shit hole school yourself. I don't want any of it >and I'm not even proud to be called a Virginia Tech student. I'm only >here because Physics department doesn't tolerate such ignorance. You are >the one that's making me embarrassed by even considering me as a Virginia >Tech student! Please, refer me as someone from Physics department but >don't tie me with the shit hole Virginia Tech. > > >Sung N. Cho, >Dept. of Physics, >Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University. > > >On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Jason Andresen wrote: > >> Sung Nae Cho wrote: >> > >> >> Aarrgh! Must...Resist...Trolling... >> >> Nuts, well I'll make this short: >> >> > >> > I don't know how far this have gone down the road and altered throughout >> > the course. But, I've never said desktops don't need stability. It all >> > started with some faction of FreeBSD users complaining about the default >> > enable of the disk write cache for modern hard drives in FreeBSD 4.x >> > series. My original post was literally responding to them, "Come on! >> > This is 21st Century and hard disks are reliable and we need to take full >> > advantage over those capable devices if FreeBSD's ever going to succeed in >> > desktop market. FreeBSD is no longer for server use only!" Personally, >> > I've been using UDMA capable disks (and, who doesn't these days?) with all >> > the DMA capabilities fully turned on and never had to compromise >> > performance with stability. If you are so worried about UDMA capable >> > disks to not to work as it suppose to, why in the world are you even >> > getting UDMA disk? Jee, lets get real here. Too many of the FreeBSD >> >> Where did this non-sequitor come from? >> >> Current state of FreeBSD: >> >> ATA disks are run at the maximum transfer rate the disk, controller, and >> cable allow. This includes things like UDMA100/66/33. >> Write Caching is enabled by default now. >> Filesystems have the option of running Softupdates, which almost as >> fast and _MUCH_ more reliable than async. >> ATAPI devices (CDROMs mostly) do not use DMA by default because a lot >> of ATAPI devices flat out lie about what they support. This is easily >> tunable if you are _sure_ your ATAPI devices supports DMA. It's just >> common sense. >> >> > Dept. of Physics, >> > Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University. >> >> As a Tech alumni, this embarrasses me. >> >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 17: 4:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bitbucket.extern.uniface.nl (bitbucket.extern.uniface.nl [193.78.88.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EA937B406 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:04:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from driehuis@playbeing.org) Received: from bh2.nl.compuware.com (unknown [172.16.17.82]) by bitbucket.extern.uniface.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D4382B3 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:04:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trashcan.nl.compuware.com ([172.16.16.52]) by bh2.nl.compuware.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id P38H7RCZ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:04:48 +0200 Received: from c1111.nl.compuware.com (c1111.nl.compuware.com [172.16.16.36]) by trashcan.nl.compuware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F623145A6; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:04:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:04:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Bert Driehuis X-Sender: bertd@c1111.nl.compuware.com To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: List procedures [OT] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just out of curiosity, what are the procedures for getting a subscriber booted from this list? I think there will not be sufficient 1st amendment opposition to stop preventing a certain list member from ramming his views down our throats, especially since his latest outburst had the word "trespass" written all over it. There is a list charter after all, which has been pointed out to him in no uncertain words. In public, no less. Cheers, -- Bert -- Bert Driehuis -- driehuis@playbeing.org -- +31-20-3116119 If the only tool you've got is an axe, every problem looks like fun! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 17: 5:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from veldy.net (w028.z064001117.msp-mn.dsl.cnc.net [64.1.117.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B4B37B406 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:05:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veldy@veldy.net) Received: from cascade (cascade.veldy.net [192.168.1.1]) by veldy.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CE57ABAA9; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:05:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000b01c11566$b37129f0$0101a8c0@cascade> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: "Kris Kennaway" Cc: "Robert Goff" , "FreeBSD Stable" References: <005201c1152f$85cc00b0$3028680a@tgt.com> <20010725140422.B58360@xor.obsecurity.org> Subject: Re: How to cvsup the RELEASE version? Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:05:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I agree entirely, however, the poster asked for the "shipping" version, at least he asked this indirectly. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 12:30:38PM -0500, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > RELENG_4_3_0_RELEASE Much better to do RELENG_4_3 so you don't end up with a system with known serious security vulnerabilities. Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 17:21:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E58637B406; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:21:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA25701; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:21:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-110.tnt1.rac.cyberlynk.net(209.224.182.110) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma025698; Wed Jul 25 19:21:33 2001 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20010725185022.018ac4e0@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:21:12 -0500 To: Jordan Hubbard From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: ENOUGH ALREADY! (was Re: If you think people use FreeBSD for server, you must've been outta school for long long time!) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010724162417A.jkh@freebsd.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 04:24 PM 7/24/01 -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: >Oh dear. Is there something in the water or has the CIA been too >freely using their microwave-o-matic satellite (which the rest of the >world, snicker, still knows as the Hubble space telescope)? Don't get >me wrong, a certain amount of mind control is fine and only to be >expected of our humble civil servants, but people have been just plain >wacky these last few weeks! What can we expect for our next long, >tortuous thread from hell - a return to the "X server should be in the >kernel" discussion? Or perhaps we should start talking about killing >Linux binary compatability again - that would make Brett happy! No shit. >Whatever it is, I wish it would stop. The signal-to-noise ratio has >been simply ridiculous lately and if the latest poster really wants a >BSD desktop solution, I'm sure Apple would be happy to sell him an >iMac. He can even run Tomb Raider on it and watch Lara Croft's >breasts jiggle in fine OpenGL rendered detail! If this keeps up, I might ask that some be banned from the list, as has been done in the past. Promoting advocacy is one thing, if done in the proper forum, but disrupting the list is another. Those that feed the fire might either learn some restraint or not drag every list member along with the flotsam and jetsam and keep it private. The list charter: FREEBSD-STABLE Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-stable This is the mailing list for users of freebsd-stable. It includes warnings about new features coming out in -stable that will affect the users, and instructions on steps that must be taken to remain -stable. Anyone running ``stable'' should subscribe to this list. This is a technical mailing list for which strictly technical content is expected. Many on the list are not here for entertainment and don't care to watch troll beating or a talent contest for comedians. Nor is this a general forum for any question under the sun. There are lists more appropriate for many of the discussions and questions here. While I don't think any question should go unanswered, there is no reason to keep the list in the loop and not reply privately and suggest the appropriate list or -questions when in doubt. The messages similar to this thread seen here, which has changed names several times, belong in -chat, since IMO they are not of a caliber suitable -advocacy and more of a juvenile nature. Those that only want to belong to one list might consider sticking to -questions and not -stable, since most any user of *any* version should at least be on -ports. With the increased amount of clutter on -stable, I'd bet on better results there, and might avoid the need to ask a question if one pays attention. Then it might be just my view that using something that changes (ie source code) should require some work to keep up-to-date with things and not just be done blindly. Here's the link that has all the info one needs to find the right place to ask about something. Personally don't like the fact the lists are "open" and so there isn't a need to subscribe, just ask for a direct CC: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html Disgruntled long time member hopefully speaking for other lurkers... Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 17:32:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web14708.mail.yahoo.com (web14708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C6BB237B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:32:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hackr_d@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010726003216.21210.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.67.120.228] by web14708.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:32:16 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:32:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Donn Miller Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! To: Sung Nae Cho , Jason Andresen Cc: Nicolas Grieco , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- Sung Nae Cho wrote: > Don't be embarrassed. Although I'm working on Ph.D. in physics at > Virginia Tech, I hate the f**king school. Don't get me wrong, I like > the > physics department and folks in department. But, rest of the school, > I don't give f**k. Virginia Tech is the shittiest school I've ever > been > too. This is the school full of dumb f**k Southern bitches and dorky > punks, Not me. I got a B.S. and M.S. in Electrical Engineering from Penn State. I loved the school, and I would go back there in a heartbeat. The only problem is that they merged Computer Science and Computer Engineering into one major, Computer Science and Engineering (CSE). So, if you wanted to get a degree in CompSci, you have to settle for a degree in "CSE". Same with Computer Engineering. I guess you have to choose your electives properly. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 17:32:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D3637B407 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:32:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6Q0V0t12298; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:31:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: sucho2@quasar.phys.vt.edu Cc: jandrese@mitre.org, ng@t-online.fr, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! In-Reply-To: References: <3B5ECC36.47621190@mitre.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010725173100O.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:31:00 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 86 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Again, I fail to see what this has to do with FreeBSD-stable. This is your second official warning. On the next offense, you will be banned forever from all FreeBSD mailing lists. I don't care whether you were responding to other people or not, you are solely responsible for your own behavior and so far, it's not meeting even the most minimum standards we have here. Again, this is your second and last warning in compliance with the mailing list charters. - Jordan From: Sung Nae Cho Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:44:32 -0400 (EDT) > Don't be embarrassed. Although I'm working on Ph.D. in physics at > Virginia Tech, I hate the f**king school. Don't get me wrong, I like the > physics department and folks in department. But, rest of the school, > I don't give f**k. Virginia Tech is the shittiest school I've ever been > too. This is the school full of dumb f**k Southern bitches and dorky punks, > God only knows how they even got their jobs at Tech, full of bureaucrats who > are only concerend with their image and putting down on Blacks and other > minorities! This is the school still White kids make joke about Blacks > and that happens naturally around here. Thank God at leats Physics and > much of Engineering depts. are evenly composed of scholars from all > over the world; and we don't tolerate such ignorance! Now, you can have > all the pride of this shit hole school yourself. I don't want any of it > and I'm not even proud to be called a Virginia Tech student. I'm only > here because Physics department doesn't tolerate such ignorance. You are > the one that's making me embarrassed by even considering me as a Virginia > Tech student! Please, refer me as someone from Physics department but > don't tie me with the shit hole Virginia Tech. > > > Sung N. Cho, > Dept. of Physics, > Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University. > > > On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Jason Andresen wrote: > > > Sung Nae Cho wrote: > > > > > > > Aarrgh! Must...Resist...Trolling... > > > > Nuts, well I'll make this short: > > > > > > > > I don't know how far this have gone down the road and altered throughout > > > the course. But, I've never said desktops don't need stability. It all > > > started with some faction of FreeBSD users complaining about the default > > > enable of the disk write cache for modern hard drives in FreeBSD 4.x > > > series. My original post was literally responding to them, "Come on! > > > This is 21st Century and hard disks are reliable and we need to take full > > > advantage over those capable devices if FreeBSD's ever going to succeed in > > > desktop market. FreeBSD is no longer for server use only!" Personally, > > > I've been using UDMA capable disks (and, who doesn't these days?) with all > > > the DMA capabilities fully turned on and never had to compromise > > > performance with stability. If you are so worried about UDMA capable > > > disks to not to work as it suppose to, why in the world are you even > > > getting UDMA disk? Jee, lets get real here. Too many of the FreeBSD > > > > Where did this non-sequitor come from? > > > > Current state of FreeBSD: > > > > ATA disks are run at the maximum transfer rate the disk, controller, and > > cable allow. This includes things like UDMA100/66/33. > > Write Caching is enabled by default now. > > Filesystems have the option of running Softupdates, which almost as > > fast and _MUCH_ more reliable than async. > > ATAPI devices (CDROMs mostly) do not use DMA by default because a lot > > of ATAPI devices flat out lie about what they support. This is easily > > tunable if you are _sure_ your ATAPI devices supports DMA. It's just > > common sense. > > > > > Dept. of Physics, > > > Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University. > > > > As a Tech alumni, this embarrasses me. > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 17:46:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 635EF37B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:46:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #7) id 15PZIR-000Li6-00; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:46:35 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6Q0kS608027; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:46:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:46:26 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: Lamont Granquist Cc: Mit Rowe , Sung Nae Cho , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! Message-ID: <20010726014626.A5169@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20010725144457.T59081-100000@coredump.scriptkiddie.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20010725144457.T59081-100000@coredump.scriptkiddie.org>; from lamont@scriptkiddie.org on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:48:15PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:48:15PM -0700, Lamont Granquist wrote: | | On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Mit Rowe wrote: | > I wouldn't use FreeBSD for a desktop if my life depended on it. | | I've been using FreeBSD as desktops, both at home and on my work laptop, I've been running it on my laptop since 3.2. I started with Linux and Win95, then dropped Linux for 3.2, then dropped Windows. No complaints, no regrets. | (Of course, I don't make heavy use of office apps -- I tend to use irc, | mozilla and vi+gcc mostly) I use Applix Office, ghostview, Licq, Xemacs, Netscrape, and others.... jcm -- o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o | ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jonathon McKitrick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | "I prefer the term 'Artificial Person' myself." | o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 18:12: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCDD37B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:11:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #6) id 15PZgz-0007ei-00; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:11:57 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.4/8.11.1) id f6Q1Bvn12194; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:11:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:11:56 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: Paul Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD ROCKs! (was Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market!) Message-ID: <20010726021156.B5169@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <013d01c114c1$394ee540$4500a8c0@nomad> <01072512092100.21676@hellraiser.cannoncreek.com> <20010725172455.A16707@tribble.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20010725172455.A16707@tribble.net>; from tribble@tribble.net on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 05:24:55PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The convincer for me was Wes Peters' 'Daemon's Advocate' article. He even personally responded to some of my questions. He pointed out that many of the same factors that make a good server, make a good workstation. The article was May 99, BTW. Anyway, that convinced me to give it a try, and I've never looked back. Is it as bleeding edge as Linux? No, but my Linux system became unmaintainable and incoherent very quickly. Interestingly, a problem with unmounting CDroms under Mandrake hosed my filesystem twice in a row, and that was it... I wanted the vaunted FreeBSD stability. That fast, async filesystem wasn't much good when I lost data. That's funny. I could have sworn only servers care about reliability and stability, not desktops.... jcm -- o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o | ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jonathon McKitrick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | "I prefer the term 'Artificial Person' myself." | o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 18:21:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailout1.nyroc.rr.com (mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17C537B406 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:21:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from James_Bond_79@yahoo.com) Received: from halstead007 (roc-24-161-78-218.rochester.rr.com [24.161.78.218]) by mailout1.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.2/RoadRunner 1.03) with SMTP id f6Q1Ghn04362; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: James Halstead To: Jacob Frelinger , Subject: Re: Watching DVD's in -stable Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:24:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: Kevin Oberman , KT Sin , Gabriel Rocha , References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01072521245101.01723@halstead007> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have had some success with xine + captian css: http://members.nbci.com/captain_css/ it plays encrypted dvd's for me, but likes to crash when changing tracks... Anybody else use it? James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 18:23: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailout2.nyroc.rr.com (mailout2-0.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DFB37B405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:23:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from James_Bond_79@yahoo.com) Received: from halstead007 (roc-24-161-78-218.rochester.rr.com [24.161.78.218]) by mailout2.nyroc.rr.com (8.11.2/RoadRunner 1.03) with SMTP id f6Q1LZp09463; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: James Halstead To: Jacob Frelinger , Subject: Re: Watching DVD's in -stable Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:24:51 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: Kevin Oberman , KT Sin , Gabriel Rocha , References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01072521245101.01723@halstead007> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have had some success with xine + captian css: http://members.nbci.com/captain_css/ it plays encrypted dvd's for me, but likes to crash when changing tracks... Anybody else use it? James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 18:53: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE3037B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:53:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott_t@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.128.98] (helo=laptop) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #9) id 15PaKY-00078E-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:52:51 +0100 Message-ID: <003901c11575$b5509a80$0200000a@intranet> From: "Scott Taggart" To: Subject: Netgear drivers for stable Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:52:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey guys, anyone got any plans to get working drivers for the NetGear FA312 (Pretty common 10/100 WOL PCI card from netgear) into stable? I know there is Linux drivers that come with the card itself and maybe they can help somewhat to driver development? Sure would be appreciated... Rgds. Scott Taggart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 19: 7:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C505F37B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:07:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6Q27cq24909; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.0) id f6Q27Sw04141; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:07:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107260207.f6Q27Sw04141@vashon.polstra.com> To: stable@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: jsatterfield@intertrust.com Subject: Re: cvsup via socks5 In-Reply-To: <720AE932C238D411B4D100C04F10DA6B0222BA52@exchange.epr.com> References: <720AE932C238D411B4D100C04F10DA6B0222BA52@exchange.epr.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <720AE932C238D411B4D100C04F10DA6B0222BA52@exchange.epr.com>, James Satterfield wrote: > WooHoo!!!! It works! > Thank you Philippe! [...] > >jester# runsocks cvsup -L 2 ports-supfile When using SOCKS, you must also add "@M3novm" to the cvsup command line -- anywhere on the command line. If you don't, it will eventually die with a "Bad address" error. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 19:27:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2075237B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:27:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id f6Q2RRH24338 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:27:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@safeport.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fledge.watson.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:27:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Denault X-Sender: doug@fledge.watson.org To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: switching cards breaks pccard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Actually what I said is not quite true. To get what I described I had booted to win98 with the Viking pcard in and them rebooted to FreeBSD. Leaving windoze out of the mixed it all works fine. On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 doug@safeport.com wrote: > I have been using a 3Com Megahertz 589E for 2-3 months. Swapping in a 56K > modem card (Viking - V.90 K56flex) caused pccard to change the device memory as > shown in the diff below. > > The system is a Dell Inspiron 7500 with 4.3-stable. The change is remembered > until the system is powered down. Is there a way to reset without turn off the > power?? > > Hopefully all this crap goes away in 5.0 right?? (I hope) > > > pemaquid:~/temp> diff boot.good boot.bad > 44c44 > < pcic-pci1: at device 4.1 on pci0 > --- > > pcic-pci1: mem 0xc002000-0xc002fff at device > 4.1 on pci0 > 83,90c83 > < Card "3Com"("Megahertz 589E") [TP/BNC LAN PC Card] [005] matched > "3Com" ("Megahertz 589E") [(null)] [(null)] > < ep0: <3Com Etherlink III 3C589> at port 0x240-0x24f irq 10 slot 1 on pccard1 > < ep0: Ethernet address 00:00:86:5a:85:8e > < ep0: 3Com (Megahertz 589E) inserted. > < New IP Address(ep0): 192.168.3.59 > < New Subnet Mask (ep0): 255.255.255.0 > < New Broadcast Address(ep0): 192.168.3.255 > < New Routers: 192.168.3.1 > --- > > No card in database for "(null)"("(null)") > > _____ > Douglas Denault > doug@safeport.com > Voice: 301-469-8766 > Fax: 301-469-0601 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 20:18:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vica.uralexpress.ru (vica.uralexpress.ru [212.120.162.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C708837B407 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:18:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from serge@uralexpress.ru) Received: from unix.tcp.uralexpress.ru (unix-gw.tcp.uralexpress.ru [192.168.102.2]) by vica.uralexpress.ru (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6Q3IF012755 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:18:15 +0600 (ESS) Received: from uralexpress.ru (samanta.tcp.uralexpress.ru [192.168.101.12]) by unix.tcp.uralexpress.ru (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6Q3IIZ09676 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:18:18 +0600 (YEKST) Message-ID: <3B5F8BFA.D4B9DBA0@uralexpress.ru> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:18:18 +0600 From: "Serge V. Panchencko" Organization: JSCB 'Postbank' X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The vr driver References: <00fb01c1155a$8d353940$0200000a@intranet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Scott Taggart wrote: > > OK, perhaps I lied a bit :) The D-Link has got a known bug... well the > driver has got a known bug mentioned in the man page under bugs that causes > the connection to jump like MAD every 5 seconds when you ssh or something > similar into the machine on the local network. Yes!!! I've got message 'watchdog timeout' only when I work over ssh... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 20:22:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from edgemaster.zombie.org (cx497943-d.omhaw1.ne.home.com [24.3.233.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6975837B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:22:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smkelly@zombie.org) Received: by edgemaster.zombie.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 191C4103A03; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:23:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:23:34 -0500 From: Sean Kelly To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: PR bin/25586 still burns Message-ID: <20010725222333.A1522@edgemaster.zombie.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.19i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Recently, I've come to experience the bug noted in PR bin/25586 (http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D25586). When a user with an expired password attempts to SSH into the system, sshd/pam pours gallons of Jul 25 23:02:23 area51 sshd[82877]: PAM pam_chauthtok failed[6]: Permission denied Jul 25 23:02:23 area51 sshd[82877]: no modules loaded for `sshd' service messages into syslog. thinking it might be my PAM or OpenSSH, I did a buildworld/buildkernel/installkernel/installworld/mergemaster last night and have made no headway on the problem. It still happens as of last night, and yes pam.conf is up to date and identical to /usr/src/etc/pam.conf. Does anybody know anything more about this problem since the PR was last updated a month ago? This seems like a serious issue to me. FreeBSD ... 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Wed Jul 25 06:37:35 EDT 2001 root@...:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KERNEL i386 sshd auth sufficient pam_skey.so #sshd auth sufficient pam_kerberosIV.so try_first_pass sshd auth required pam_unix.so try_first_pass sshd session required pam_permit.so # "csshd" is for challenge-based authentication with sshd (TIS auth, etc.) csshd auth required pam_skey.so --=20 Sean Kelly | PGP KeyID: 77042C7B smkelly@zombie.org | http://www.zombie.org For PGP key, send e-mail with subject "send pgp key" --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE7X4012aukpHcELHsRApBqAJ4rEfEqc7XjSFKLBQHVDKVq9ub2pgCggxdb AiIYC5vXh+d8P/fM21kfpk8= =mhYg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n8g4imXOkfNTN/H1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 20:44:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-27-141-144.mmcable.com [24.27.141.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E6CF937B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:44:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 88661 invoked by uid 100); 26 Jul 2001 03:44:40 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15199.37416.171318.69242@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:44:40 -0500 To: j mckitrick Cc: Lamont Granquist , Mit Rowe , Sung Nae Cho , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs to awake and come out of SERVER only market! In-Reply-To: <20010726014626.A5169@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20010725144457.T59081-100000@coredump.scriptkiddie.org> <20010726014626.A5169@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG j mckitrick types: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:48:15PM -0700, Lamont Granquist wrote: > | On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Mit Rowe wrote: > | > I wouldn't use FreeBSD for a desktop if my life depended on it. > | I've been using FreeBSD as desktops, both at home and on my work laptop, > I've been running it on my laptop since 3.2. I started with Linux and > Win95, then dropped Linux for 3.2, then dropped Windows. No complaints, no > regrets. My first FreeBSD desktop system was 3.0, installed on the day it was released. I've had fewer problems with it than I do with either Windows or the Mac, which some of my clients have insisted I use. > | (Of course, I don't make heavy use of office apps -- I tend to use irc, > | mozilla and vi+gcc mostly) > I use Applix Office, ghostview, Licq, Xemacs, Netscrape, and others.... I don't use icq, and replaced Netscape with Mozilla and shortly after replaced that with Skipstone, all of which are in the ports. Applix Office is almost always running, and you can read my review of it at . Xemacs and jpilot are the other tools in the "constant use" category. The next tier down includes ghostview, acroread, the gimp and xsane. Photopc has been dropped since I picked up a USB smartmedia reader. The bottom line is that -stable makes a very usable desktop if you aren't a nerd about it. You don't get access to the latest and greatest desktop hardware, because the manufacturers release it with Windows drivers instead of FreeBSD drivers. On the other hand, you get a system that can be changed to behave the way you want it to, and isn't limited to the fixed set from the platform vendors. In my mind, that makes it a far friendlier desktop than the commercial versions. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 20:50:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-27-141-144.mmcable.com [24.27.141.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D0C3637B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:50:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 88934 invoked by uid 100); 26 Jul 2001 03:50:36 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15199.37771.572765.719603@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:50:35 -0500 To: John Merryweather Cooper Cc: j mckitrick , jett , freebsd-stable Subject: Re: make world every week? In-Reply-To: <20010725105040.K577@johncoop.bmi.net> References: <014901c114b3$48d98140$4b443dca@jett> <20010724195629.G89715@johncoop> <20010725184132.A85011@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20010725105040.K577@johncoop.bmi.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Merryweather Cooper types: > On 2001.07.25 10:41 j mckitrick wrote: > > | has changed. Then I make world && make kernel > > KERNCONF=your_kernel_config. > > Pardon my ignorance, if I misunderstood, but I don't quite get something. > > UPDATING says this: > > > > This means installworld is done after installkernel. In your above > > statement, wouldn't installworld be done *before* installkernel? > > > Just a shortcut. It works for me, on my configuration, but it may very > well break on yours. YMMV. The real downside is that if the kernel breaks when you boot it, backing out an installworld is *much* harder than backing out an installkernel. Hence installing the kernel, booting it to make sure it works, then installing the world provides the easiest option for backing out should the kernel fail. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 22:23:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0479637B406 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:23:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6Q5NGF63429; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:23:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6Q5NFw00748; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200107260523.f6Q5NFw00748@harmony.village.org> To: "Kevin Oberman" Subject: Re: New Option ROM device in stable Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:49:51 PDT." <200107122149.f6CLnpA25543@ptavv.es.net> References: <200107122149.f6CLnpA25543@ptavv.es.net> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:23:15 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200107122149.f6CLnpA25543@ptavv.es.net> "Kevin Oberman" writes: : I notice that a new device, "Option ROM", has appeared in stable as of : a few days ago. No man page, but the driver makes me think it's to : solve the problem of properly assigning memory space for device iomem. : : Is this what it's all about? You are exactly right. It just gobbles up the option ROMs with the right signature so that other devices (like pcic/pccard) don't try to use them. It does need a man page, though, doesn't it? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 22:23:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [63.169.72.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF1637B406 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:23:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shawn@megadeth.org) Received: from shawn (72-222-dhcp-1.xDSL.rdlca.cpl.net [63.169.72.222]) by luke.cpl.net (8.11.4/8.11.3) with SMTP id f6Q5O1k94915; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:24:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <009001c11593$0e718120$de48a93f@shawn> From: "Shawn Ramsey" To: "Thierry Herbelot" Cc: References: <003601c1154c$7240ed40$de48a93f@shawn> <3B5F34B0.BF32DF9D@herbelot.com> Subject: Re: Not updating /etc Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:23:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thierry Herbelot" To: "Shawn Ramsey" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:05 PM Subject: Re: Not updating /etc > Shawn Ramsey wrote: > > > > I am going to be upgrading a 4.1.1 system to 4-Stable. Is it ok to not > > update /etc? I've done this in the past w/o problems, but that was way back > > when... (2.x/3.x) > > the recent freeBSD releases include mergemaster which helps *A LOT* > upgrading the /etc hierarchy > > and NO, you should NOT leave your /etc untouched Well, seeing as to how easy it is with mergemaster, there isn't really any reason not to. But wouldn't the system just boot like whatever I was previosly running? I don't see why it would hurt to leave it alone if one wanted to, but then again what do I know. :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 22:31:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from greg.cex.ca (h24-207-40-244.dlt.dccnet.com [24.207.40.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 77D2D37B409 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:31:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gregw-freebsd-stable@greg.cex.ca) Received: (qmail 80908 invoked by uid 1001); 26 Jul 2001 05:33:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:33:50 -0700 From: Greg White To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Not updating /etc Message-ID: <20010725223350.M71986@greg.cex.ca> Mail-Followup-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <003601c1154c$7240ed40$de48a93f@shawn> <3B5F34B0.BF32DF9D@herbelot.com> <009001c11593$0e718120$de48a93f@shawn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <009001c11593$0e718120$de48a93f@shawn>; from shawn@megadeth.org on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 10:23:08PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 10:23:08PM -0700, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > Well, seeing as to how easy it is with mergemaster, there isn't really any > reason not to. But wouldn't the system just boot like whatever I was > previosly running? I don't see why it would hurt to leave it alone if one > wanted to, but then again what do I know. :) There have been at least two occasions for me when a failure to run mergemaster would have resulted in an unusable system. I'm positive that the first one was when an option in /etc/ssh/sshd_config was deprecated, and sshd would fail to load if the deprecated option was present. Without mergemaster, this would have left my remote machine dead in the water. ISTR that the other time was ssh as well, changes to /etc/pam.conf... Mostly, it seems to be safe not to, but I never take chances. At least always run it, and see what the changes are... -- Greg White To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 22:35:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from poontang.schulte.org (poontang.schulte.org [209.134.156.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2068437B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:35:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from christopher@schulte.org) Received: from tarmap.schulte.org (tarmap.schulte.org [209.134.156.198]) by poontang.schulte.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25DAD14C8; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:35:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010726002434.09510b08@pop.schulte.org> X-Sender: schulte@pop.schulte.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:35:40 -0500 To: "Shawn Ramsey" , "Thierry Herbelot" From: Christopher Schulte Subject: Re: Not updating /etc Cc: In-Reply-To: <009001c11593$0e718120$de48a93f@shawn> References: <003601c1154c$7240ed40$de48a93f@shawn> <3B5F34B0.BF32DF9D@herbelot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG AWell, seeing as to how easy it is with mergemaster, there isn't really any >reason not to. But wouldn't the system just boot like whatever I was >previosly running? I don't see why it would hurt to leave it alone if one >wanted to, but then again what do I know. :) Update /etc ! ! ! ! ! ! Run mergemaster! There are important changes made to your /etc tree. Files like /etc/rc /etc/network /etc/security /etc/pam.conf and tons more. One example I can come off my head with is /etc/pam.conf. There was a change made a while back to FreeBSD's shipped version of OpenSSH which *REQUIRED* that pam.conf be properly updated. People who skipped mergemaster (which would have alerted them to the change and given the opportunity to install the new version, or merge the changes with any locally modified version) and rebooted were in for a bad time. OpenSSH no longer processed remote logins, leaving some boxes in remote locations with no access. There are doubtlessly many other situations like this which have appeared and will appear in the future. A properly synchronized /etc is critical for successful system upgrades, IMVOHO. -- Christopher Schulte Finger for PGP key, or for UNIX impaired: http://noc.schulte.org/cgi-bin/noc/finger.cgi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 23: 0:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB90937B408 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:00:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaltorak@quake.com.au) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AB6169.63.5724aadf) with ESMTP id reecaaaa for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:59:13 +1000 Message-ID: <3B5FB2A0.128270EC@quake.com.au> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:03:12 +1000 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Taggart Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netgear drivers for stable References: <003901c11575$b5509a80$0200000a@intranet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Scott Taggart wrote: > > Hey guys, anyone got any plans to get working drivers for the NetGear FA312 > (Pretty common 10/100 WOL PCI card from netgear) into stable? I know there > is Linux drivers that come with the card itself and maybe they can help > somewhat to driver development? Sure would be appreciated... Im fairly sure that allready has drivers... I have used heaps of netgear NICs with FreeBSD and never found one that hasnt been supported... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 25 23: 8:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-104-149.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.104.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6367237B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:08:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BDA9C67226; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:08:22 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Shawn Ramsey Cc: Thierry Herbelot , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Not updating /etc Message-ID: <20010725230822.C84940@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <003601c1154c$7240ed40$de48a93f@shawn> <3B5F34B0.BF32DF9D@herbelot.com> <009001c11593$0e718120$de48a93f@shawn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZmUaFz6apKcXQszQ" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <009001c11593$0e718120$de48a93f@shawn>; from shawn@megadeth.org on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 10:23:08PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ZmUaFz6apKcXQszQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 10:23:08PM -0700, Shawn Ramsey wrote: >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thierry Herbelot" > To: "Shawn Ramsey" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:05 PM > Subject: Re: Not updating /etc >=20 >=20 > > Shawn Ramsey wrote: > > > > > > I am going to be upgrading a 4.1.1 system to 4-Stable. Is it ok to not > > > update /etc? I've done this in the past w/o problems, but that was way > back > > > when... (2.x/3.x) > > > > the recent freeBSD releases include mergemaster which helps *A LOT* > > upgrading the /etc hierarchy > > > > and NO, you should NOT leave your /etc untouched >=20 > Well, seeing as to how easy it is with mergemaster, there isn't really any > reason not to. But wouldn't the system just boot like whatever I was > previosly running? I don't see why it would hurt to leave it alone if one > wanted to, but then again what do I know. :) New binaries on the system sometimes depend on new files/settings being in /etc. This is true for sshd, for example. kris --ZmUaFz6apKcXQszQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7X7PVWry0BWjoQKURAqCrAJ9GTpexpsGM5UgKbJrGSdiiGAnAAACgvdCY UML0vFLGZMJVgXqvF6OZSPc= =YPWq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZmUaFz6apKcXQszQ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 0:27:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from neurogenex.com (unknown [211.219.167.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB45B37B407 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:27:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from whitekid@netian.com) Received: from whitekid ([211.219.154.247]) by neurogenex.com (8.11.1/8.11.3) with SMTP id f6Q7XFF10651 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:33:15 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from whitekid@netian.com) Message-ID: <000d01c115a4$6a572380$f79adbd3@whitekid> From: "Choe, Chung-Dae" To: Subject: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:27:24 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG auth 8f894e94 unsubscribe freebsd-stable whitekid@netian.com auth 192c2008 unsubscribe cvs-all whitekid@netian.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 1:49:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from panax.com (grip.panax.com [63.163.40.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9BD37B406 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 01:49:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from diablo@raptorcomp.panax.com) Received: from raptorcomp.panax.com (root@iprs1-63-163-41-224.panax.com [63.163.41.224]) by panax.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA15901 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:45:35 -0400 Received: (from diablo@localhost) by raptorcomp.panax.com (8.11.3/8.11.4) id f6Q8nbX07633 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:49:34 -0400 From: Patrick McFarland To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20010726044933.B266@raptorcomp.panax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Distributed: Join the Effort! http://www.distributed.net/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 2:22:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vega.vega.com (dialup2-22.iptelecom.net.ua [212.9.226.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36FD37B406; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:22:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (big_brother.vega.com [192.168.1.1]) by vega.vega.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6PBBbD75699; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:11:37 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <3B5EA985.458B39B7@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:12:06 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,uk,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@FreeBSD.org Cc: Julian Elischer , stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Strange select(2) misbehaviour when linked with -pthread Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------45E7A6BD8D2F3ADC6B9063B1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------45E7A6BD8D2F3ADC6B9063B1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I found that the attached small program behaves very strangely when linked with -pthread - it chews 100% CPU cycles while waiting in select(2). This misbehaviour observed both on 5-CURRENT and 4-STABLE systems. *weird* -Maxim P.S. And yes, I know that I ought to use NULL instead of &tv when I want to wait indefinitely in select(2), but it is how some programs work. --------------45E7A6BD8D2F3ADC6B9063B1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r; name="selectbug.c" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="selectbug.c" #include #include #include #include #include int main() { int retval, fd; u_int32_t timeout; struct timeval tv; fd_set mask; fd = 0; timeout = ~0; tv.tv_sec = timeout/1000; tv.tv_usec = (timeout%1000)*1000; FD_ZERO(&mask); FD_SET(fd, &mask); retval = select(1, &mask, NULL, NULL, &tv); exit(0); } --------------45E7A6BD8D2F3ADC6B9063B1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 3: 1:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (sat.dis.org [216.240.44.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6974A37B401 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 03:01:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6Q2lTI03217; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:47:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200107260247.f6Q2lTI03217@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Scott Taggart" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netgear drivers for stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:52:56 BST." <003901c11575$b5509a80$0200000a@intranet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:47:29 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hey guys, anyone got any plans to get working drivers for the NetGear FA312 > (Pretty common 10/100 WOL PCI card from netgear) into stable? I know there > is Linux drivers that come with the card itself and maybe they can help > somewhat to driver development? Sure would be appreciated... Unless they've changed the device on the card, it's supported by the if_sis driver, and has been since the 4.0 release (it's in 3.4 as well). -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 3:26:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from webbie2.fisi.net (unknown [208.34.249.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D8D37B403 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 03:26:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goff@aisling.cc) Received: from galicia (unverified [208.34.249.80]) by webbie2.fisi.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.4) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:29:18 -0600 From: "Robert Goff" To: "FreeBSD Stable" Subject: ipfw in 4.3 release Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:26:22 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've got an issue with the 4.3 release I just installed. Is it ok to ask questions about the release branch here? I'm using the machine as a gateway between my home LAN and the dial-up connection to my ISP. I have natd and ipfw configured for ip masquerading. This configuration seems to have broken after the update from 4.2 to 4.3, and I haven't been able to figure out the differences. I'm using rc.local for intitial configuration: /usr/local/sbin/mpd -bk /sbin/natd -interface tun0 /sbin/ipfw -f flush /sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via tun0 /sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any As you can see, I'm using mpd for the dial-up interface instead of ppp because that's the one we got to work first. Conditions are changing, and I may go back to ppp. The divert command is apparently failing; when I execute it in a shell, I get what looks like a usage screen. The gateway machine itself connects to the internet fine, but none of the LAN machines can connect to the gateway or to the internet. "ipfw show" throws a core dump when I try to look at the current rules. Can someone give me a hint? (If I read the natd manpage correctly, the new version has a -dynamic switch that tells it to detect when the dial-up interface changes IP. That means I won't have to HUP the natd process every time the modem connects?) (Yes, I know the firewall is wide open; there are no external daemons running execpt sshd, and it's a dial-up connection, and the LAN machines are all running personal firewalls, and I just haven't gotten around to it, ok? :) -- Succeed in spite of management. ====================================================================== Robert Goff http://aisling.cc/resume/ Technical Writer/Editor, Webmaster 505-564-8959 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 3:59:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A52E137B406; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 03:59:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 26 Jul 2001 11:59:31 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:59:31 +0100 From: David Malone To: Maxim Sobolev Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, Julian Elischer , stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Strange select(2) misbehaviour when linked with -pthread Message-ID: <20010726115931.A93134@walton.maths.tcd.ie> References: <3B5EA985.458B39B7@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B5EA985.458B39B7@FreeBSD.org>; from sobomax@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:12:06PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:12:06PM +0300, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > I found that the attached small program behaves very strangely when > linked with -pthread - it chews 100% CPU cycles while waiting in > select(2). This misbehaviour observed both on 5-CURRENT and 4-STABLE > systems. *weird* The timeout is too long. At the moment there is an arbitary limit on how long you can wait 'cos the kernel incorrectly uses itimerfix on the timeout passed to select. I have patches to improve the situation and I was waiting for Bruce to review them, but I've been using them at home for ages, so maybe I should just commit them. The patches only have select return an error if the timeout is too long to be implimented using the kernel's counters. > P.S. And yes, I know that I ought to use NULL instead of &tv when I > want to wait indefinitely in select(2), but it is how some programs > work. Or don't work as the case may be ;-) Posix doesn't actually require select to be able to deal with large wait times (I think 31 days was the figure I found in the SUSv2 spec). Have a look at: http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=18909 for more details. David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 4: 3:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zeus.opti.ru (unknown [195.128.153.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F0EE37B405 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:03:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from xaoc@opti.ru) Received: (qmail 29250 invoked by uid 1011); 26 Jul 2001 11:01:31 -0000 Received: from gate.opti.ru (195.128.153.122) by 195.128.153.123 with SMTP; 26 Jul 2001 11:01:31 -0000 Subject: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:03:09 +0500 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Index: AcEVwnYsxWZDchAGQFKTuqKH2BoRZw== From: =?koi8-r?B?4c7E0sXKIOEuIOfB087Jy8/X?= To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG

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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 4:13:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from webbie2.fisi.net (unknown [208.34.249.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A741537B405 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:13:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goff@aisling.cc) Received: from galicia (unverified [208.34.249.87]) by webbie2.fisi.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.4) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:16:44 -0600 From: "Robert Goff" To: "FreeBSD Stable" Subject: ipfw in 4.3 release Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:13:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Never mind. I booted again and it started working. Sorry for the wasted bandwidth. -- Succeed in spite of management. ====================================================================== Robert Goff http://aisling.cc/resume/ Technical Writer/Editor, Webmaster 505-564-8959 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 4:18:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.crpi.ru (ns.crpi.ru [213.181.4.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15C537B406; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:18:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from redrat@crpi.ru) Received: from redrat ([213.181.4.198]) (authenticated) by ns.crpi.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6QBHvn00337 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128 bits) verified NO); Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:17:57 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from redrat@crpi.ru) Message-ID: <001301c115c4$bf185220$c604b5d5@srg.ru> From: "Alex Markov" To: Cc: Subject: Sendmail + Cyrus: please, i need your help! Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:18:45 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Fidolook Express 2.000 for MS OE5 Organization: Fidolook Express 2.000 www.fidolook.da.ru Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, FreeBSD community! First of all: excuse my English (especially grammar)! ;-) I havn't language practice for some years... I have FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE as SMTP&IMAP server for our office, with Cyrus 2.0.15 + SASL 1.5.24 on it. Although all my troubles with SSL/TLS is gone, i still have some questions, so i need your advice! 1. I have only one user (except root) in /etc/passwd, and i want to store all mail for this user in cyrus mailbox instead of /var/mail/username. I know, it's possible to assign mailer in sendmail.cf for whole domain. Can i set certain mailer for single user? 2. If i put "define(`confLOCAL_MAILER', `cyrus')" in sendmail.cf, then "define(`confLUSER_RELAY', `local:postmaster')" stops to work (i mean, that all messages with incorrect addresses going back to sender instead of postmaster). Also, sendmail starts to blame on sender addresses without domain (for example - in cron messages), so i was forced to add "FEATURE(always_add_domain)" in sendmail.cf. 3. In /usr/share/sendmail/cf/mailer/cyrus.m4 "deliver" has "-e" option, which dosn't defined in deliver manual. Is it 1.6.x heritage or something important? 4. I think, that next question asked here too often, but anyway: is it possible to route all mail for certain address to top-level cyrus mailbox? For example, i have "office" (not "user.office"!) mailbox (with "p" right for "anonymous") and i want all mail to office@domain.com go in it. My own maillists & Inet searches was unsuccessful. Maybe, someone can give me good advice or point me at suitable documentation? Thanks in advance to all! You are my last resort... -- Alex Markov (aka RedRat at Mail dot Ru). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 4:24:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gate.opti.ru (unknown [195.128.153.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6584F37B406 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:24:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from xaoc@opti.ru) Subject: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:24:17 +0500 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4417.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Index: AcEVxWn5hHhgrEM2Sq6DaSPzffbzRw== From: =?koi8-r?B?4c7E0sXKIOEuIOfB087Jy8/X?= To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG

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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 4:44:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vup_serv.vup.at (www.mopa.at [193.83.158.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6880A37B401 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:44:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zope-mailinglist@mopa.at) Received: by www.mopa.at with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:44:44 +0200 Received: from bigcrash (193.83.158.22 [193.83.158.22]) by vup_serv.vup.at with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id PRGFM8NQ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:44:39 +0200 From: zope-mailinglist Reply-To: zope-mailinglist To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <001d01c115c8$c5858930$650010ac@bigcrash> Subject: root mail forwarding Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:47:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi guys! i have one question! how can i forward the 2 admin mails to my mailbox (oliver@mopa.at)? one guy has written: make a file in /root directory named .forward but what i need to put into this file? only my mail adress? and can i test it? please help thanks in advance oli To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 4:56:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.tecc.co.uk (luggage.tecc.co.uk [193.128.6.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 83BB537B406 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:56:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andy@tecc.co.uk) Received: from southampton [195.217.37.155] by relay.tecc.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 15PjkX-0000I9-00; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:56:17 +0100 From: "Andy" To: "zope-mailinglist" , Subject: RE: root mail forwarding Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:56:17 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <001d01c115c8$c5858930$650010ac@bigcrash> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Should this not have been sent to -questions ?? Anyway, check the file /etc/mail/aliases specifically the alias for "root" which is commented out. Regards Andy > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of zope-mailinglist > Sent: 26 July 2001 12:48 > To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > Subject: root mail forwarding > > > hi guys! > > i have one question! how can i forward the 2 admin mails to my mailbox > (oliver@mopa.at)? > > one guy has written: > > make a file in /root directory named .forward but what i need to put into > this file? only my mail adress? > > and can i test it? > > please help > > thanks in advance > > oli > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 4:56:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vega.vega.com (dialup6-52.iptelecom.net.ua [212.9.227.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E8437B405; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:56:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from max@vega.com) Received: (from max@localhost) by vega.vega.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f6QBu8X79427; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:56:08 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) From: Maxim Sobolev Message-Id: <200107261156.f6QBu8X79427@vega.vega.com> Subject: Re: Strange select(2) misbehaviour when linked with -pthread To: dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie (David Malone) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:56:08 +0300 (EEST) Cc: sobomax@FreeBSD.ORG (Maxim Sobolev), current@FreeBSD.ORG, julian@elischer.org (Julian Elischer), stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010726115931.A93134@walton.maths.tcd.ie> from "David Malone" at Jul 26, 2001 11:59:31 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:12:06PM +0300, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > I found that the attached small program behaves very strangely when > > linked with -pthread - it chews 100% CPU cycles while waiting in > > select(2). This misbehaviour observed both on 5-CURRENT and 4-STABLE > > systems. *weird* > > The timeout is too long. At the moment there is an arbitary limit > on how long you can wait 'cos the kernel incorrectly uses itimerfix > on the timeout passed to select. I have patches to improve the > situation and I was waiting for Bruce to review them, but I've been > using them at home for ages, so maybe I should just commit them. > The patches only have select return an error if the timeout is too > long to be implimented using the kernel's counters. I am not sure that the error is what we want to get in this situation. Perhaps more *compatible* solution would be wait indefinitely if timeout is too large. > > P.S. And yes, I know that I ought to use NULL instead of &tv when I > > want to wait indefinitely in select(2), but it is how some programs > > work. > > Or don't work as the case may be ;-) Posix doesn't actually require > select to be able to deal with large wait times (I think 31 days was > the figure I found in the SUSv2 spec). Have a look at: > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=18909 > > for more details. Interesting, but this isn't really relevant to my question. I want to know why the program in question behaves difefrently when linked with and without -pthead flag (bug in libc_r?). Also [EINVAL] is not what I'm seeing here, because as you can easily check in my test case tv.tv_sec == 4294976, which is less that 1000000000 - upper limit of our select(2) implementation depicted in PR 18909. -Maxim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 4:59:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hq1.tyfon.net (hq1.tyfon.net [217.27.162.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F7037B416 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:58:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dl@tyfon.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hq1.tyfon.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84EF1C89B; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:57:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hq1.tyfon.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E1B1C7E4; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:57:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:57:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Dan Larsson To: zope-mailinglist Cc: Subject: Re: root mail forwarding In-Reply-To: <001d01c115c8$c5858930$650010ac@bigcrash> Message-ID: <20010726135320.C44865-100000@hq1.tyfon.net> Organization: Tyfon Svenska AB X-NCC-NIC: DL1999-RIPE X-NCC-RegID: se.tyfon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by hq1.tyfon.net Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, zope-mailinglist wrote: | hi guys! | | i have one question! how can i forward the 2 admin mails to my mailbox | (oliver@mopa.at)? edit your /etc/mail/aliases file to contain root: your@email-address and issue the newaliases command You can test that it works by a short command such as echo test | mail root you should receive the message in your mailbox Regards +------ Dan Larsson | Tel: +46 8 550 120 21 Tyfon Svenska AB | Fax: +46 8 550 120 02 GPG and PGP keys | finger dl@hq1.tyfon.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 5:21:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wentzl.cdg.chalmers.se (wentzl.cdg.chalmers.se [129.16.12.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E4337B405 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:20:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pa@cdg.chalmers.se) Received: from wilfer4.cdg.chalmers.se (zc3frMRcetdKPFHak4QMV9iktJ7V5OEQ@wilfer4.cdg.chalmers.se [129.16.12.14]) by wentzl.cdg.chalmers.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05135 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:20:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (pa@localhost) by wilfer4.cdg.chalmers.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21939 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:20:55 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: wilfer4.cdg.chalmers.se: pa owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:20:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: Per Andersson To: Subject: Crashes with stable, IPv6 related? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-559023410-1465989268-996150055=:21918" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---559023410-1465989268-996150055=:21918 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII After I cvsup:ed last time (about monday) and later rebuilt the system my laptop have started to crash. As far as I can see it crashes in nd6_timer so it might be IPv6 related. 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(rkupbgge0q3c8kgb@dcs.tcoip.com.br [192.168.60.194]) by purus.tcoip (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6QCO2A08837; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:24:03 -0300 Message-ID: <3B600BE2.5000706@tcoip.com.br> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:24:02 -0300 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010705 X-Accept-Language: en, pt-br, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Hoskins Cc: Jason Andresen , Jason DiCioccio , Mike Tancsa , Sung Nae Cho , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Regarding hw.ata.wc="1"...... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Hoskins wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Jason Andresen wrote: > > >>I think the problem was that FreeBSD started getting killed in various >>benchmarks. Suddenly we have a filesystem that writes slower than >>Solaris and that slows down the entire box. Also, as a desktop OS >>many people noticed that their FreeBSD boxes were writing much slower >>than even the Windows NT boxes. It was really painful. >> > > *sigh* > > I think the problem is people reading (and conducting) benchmarks without > understanding what's being tested and how, etc. > > Unfortuneately then, the reason I chose FreeBSD (server-tuned OS) so > many years ago is no longer valid. Of course, I knew this would > eventually happen in our race to keep up with the ever popular penguin (oh > YAY!). The problem is not the cacheing itself, the problem is that most IDE drives will lie about when the data has actually been written. The point, though, is that if you really care about reliability, you shouldn't be using IDE disks in first place. IDE users are those who prefer a cheaper, less reliable hardware, and the misguided ones. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Daniel.Sobral@tcoip.com.br dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@notorious.bsdconspiracy.net All I ask of life is a constant and exaggerated sense of my own importance. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 5:30:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from purus.tcoip (unknown [200.199.244.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B08137B401 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:30:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daniel.sobral@tcoip.com.br) Received: from tcoip.com.br (q6b88dm0ph557jp8@dcs.tcoip.com.br [192.168.60.194]) by purus.tcoip (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6QCTlA08953; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:29:48 -0300 Message-ID: <3B600D3B.7060700@tcoip.com.br> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:29:47 -0300 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010705 X-Accept-Language: en, pt-br, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brooks Davis Cc: Mike Tancsa , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP!: gif(4) changes References: <20010724121217.A12780@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <5.1.0.14.0.20010724151929.05f87ec0@marble.sentex.ca> <20010724123237.A14224@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brooks Davis wrote: > > Yup, I've got code for vlan as well as faith and (somewhat pointlessly) > stf. I hope to get it into current this week, but unless there's > significant demand it probably won't make 4.4 (VLAN is probably the best > canidate in that regard though since it's useful and the changes were > relativly localized.) I leave four five days of vacation on the 31st > which really doesn't leave me room before the code slush. You got my vote for vlan, if you need one! :-) Alas, unless itojun fixes the nasty crashes on -stable before 4.4, that release will be out of question for me.... :-( -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Daniel.Sobral@tcoip.com.br dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@notorious.bsdconspiracy.net I'm not prejudiced, I hate everyone equally. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 5:30:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7251A37B407 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:30:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #6) id 15PkHh-0007Bl-00; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:30:33 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.4/8.11.1) id f6QCUSA39926; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:30:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:30:28 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Mike Hoskins , Jason Andresen , Jason DiCioccio , Mike Tancsa , Sung Nae Cho , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Regarding hw.ata.wc="1"...... Message-ID: <20010726133028.B39737@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <3B600BE2.5000706@tcoip.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3B600BE2.5000706@tcoip.com.br>; from daniel.sobral@tcoip.com.br on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 09:24:02AM -0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 09:24:02AM -0300, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: | The point, though, is that if you really care about reliability, you | shouldn't be using IDE disks in first place. IDE users are those who | prefer a cheaper, less reliable hardware, and the misguided ones. Unless it just came with the laptop. ;-) jcm -- o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o | ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jonathon McKitrick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | "I prefer the term 'Artificial Person' myself." | o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 5:32:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org (melchior.enst.fr [137.194.161.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45F737B401 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:32:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thomas@cuivre.fr.eu.org) Received: from melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org (melusine.enst.fr [137.194.160.34]) by melchior.cuivre.fr.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D1F75E2; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:32:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: by melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D961F24D08; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:32:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:32:02 +0200 From: Thomas Quinot To: Per Andersson Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Crashes with stable, IPv6 related? Message-ID: <20010726143202.A2417@melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org> Reply-To: thomas@cuivre.fr.eu.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from pa@cdg.chalmers.se on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 02:20:55PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Le 2001-07-26, Per Andersson écrivait : > After I cvsup:ed last time (about monday) and later rebuilt the system my > laptop have started to crash. As far as I can see it crashes in nd6_timer > so it might be IPv6 related. This has been fixed in -CURRENT (/src/sys/net/route.c rev. 1.63 committed yesterday). The patch work with -STABLE as well. Thomas. -- Thomas.Quinot@Cuivre.FR.EU.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 6:14:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625EB37B405 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:14:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hcshh.hcs.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27EEBA04; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:14:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de (hcswork.hcs.de [172.24.124.5]) by hcshh.hcs.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE92BBA02; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:14:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Postfix, from userid 200) id A7482529; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:14:28 +0200 (METDST) Subject: Re: Strange errors in /var/log/messages In-Reply-To: <20010724222437.A880@pc-service.ch> "from Martin Schweizer at Jul 24, 2001 10:24:37 pm" To: Martin Schweizer Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:14:28 +0200 (METDST) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL84 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20010726131428.A7482529@hcswork.hcs.de> From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From the keyboard of Martin Schweizer: > Jul 24 21:49:33 /kernel: i4b-L3-i4b_decode_q931_cs0_ie: Unknown IE 39 - 0x27 0x1 0xe8 > Jul 24 22:00:10 /kernel: i4b-L3-i4b_decode_q931_cs0_ie: Unknown IE 39 - 0x27 0x1 0xe8 > Jul 24 22:01:30 /kernel: i4b-L3-i4b_decode_q931_cs0_ie: Unknown IE 39 - 0x27 0x1 0xe8 > Jul 24 22:05:53 last message repeated 3 times > > What does they mean or what is going wrong? Nothing is wrong. The i4b kernel protocol stack detected a (possibly) nonstandard Info Element. This is likely some protocol extension from a PBX or so. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 55 97 47-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 55 97 47-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de D-22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 6:24:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3579137B405 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:24:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23282 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:24:42 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id GAA09256; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107261324.GAA09256@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: KDE multimedia 2.x.x and artsd (4.3-RELEASE) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Speaking of broken mpeg playback, I have noticed that kde's artsd does play nice with other mpeg players (xmms, mpg123), in that it seems to open and then hang on to /dev/dsp and I just need to killall artsd to get these players to work. Is that also a result of the threading problem (artsd is perhaps hanging and not letting go of /dev/dsp?) -r >> >> Its a kde/freebsd thing, and its known to the guys over at kde. If I >> remember correctly, it has something to do with kdelibs, and I believe >> that in the next version of kde would fix this. Hope they get it done, >> I need it too.... :) > >If you're talking about mpeg playback working, it's apparently a >threading problem which occurs with the mpeg library when compiled >under FreeBSD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 6:33:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.firstcallgroup.co.uk (dilbert.firstcallgroup.co.uk [194.203.69.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945F937B401 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfrench@firstcallgroup.co.uk) Received: from pfrench by mailhost.firstcallgroup.co.uk with local (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15PlGV-0004LV-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:33:23 +0100 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Remote monitoring of the state of a kernel... Message-Id: From: Pete French Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:33:23 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [cant find this in the handbook, mailing liist or internet anywhere] I seem to recall someone telling me that there was a way I could set up a FreeBSD machine so that another FreeBSD machine could monitor the state of its kernel variables over ethernet. I am trying to track downa bug where a machine appears to have a diisc driver halt, but still talks to the net, so I am looking for some tool that willlet me go in and findout whats going on ? cheers, -pcf. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 6:47:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9CB337B403 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:47:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #7) id 15PlUA-0008tY-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:47:30 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.4/8.11.1) id f6QDlTw00396 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:47:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:47:29 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: pccard hangs when going multimode Message-ID: <20010726144729.A346@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anyone else seen this? Start a laptop with pccard Shutdown to single user mode Restart multi-user mode Watch the probe increment your pccard device by one Watch your box hang Is there a better fix than ejecting cards during restart? This doesn't happen during a reboot, of course. jcm -- o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o | ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jonathon McKitrick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | | "I prefer the term 'Artificial Person' myself." | o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 6:48:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from purus.tcoip (unknown [200.199.244.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7D537B405 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:48:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daniel.sobral@tcoip.com.br) Received: from tcoip.com.br (e6p7rbqu3uuajks3@dcs.tcoip.com.br [192.168.60.194]) by purus.tcoip (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6QDUAA10470; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:30:10 -0300 Message-ID: <3B601B61.7040106@tcoip.com.br> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:30:09 -0300 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010705 X-Accept-Language: en, pt-br, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: j mckitrick Cc: Mike Hoskins , Jason Andresen , Jason DiCioccio , Mike Tancsa , Sung Nae Cho , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Regarding hw.ata.wc="1"...... References: <3B600BE2.5000706@tcoip.com.br> <20010726133028.B39737@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG j mckitrick wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 09:24:02AM -0300, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > | The point, though, is that if you really care about reliability, you > | shouldn't be using IDE disks in first place. IDE users are those who > | prefer a cheaper, less reliable hardware, and the misguided ones. > > Unless it just came with the laptop. ;-) I just happen to use SCSI disks with my laptop. ;-) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Daniel.Sobral@tcoip.com.br dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@notorious.bsdconspiracy.net All bad precedents began as justifiable measures. -- Gaius Julius Caesar, quoted in "The Conspiracy of Catiline", by Sallust To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 6:50:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 06C1037B408 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:50:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sumirati@yahoo.de) Message-ID: <20010726135019.99398.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.174.9.99] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:50:19 CEST Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:50:19 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?m=20p?= Subject: Re: Remote monitoring of the state of a kernel... To: pfrench@firstcallgroup.co.uk Cc: stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > [cant find this in the handbook, mailing liist or internet anywhere] > > I seem to recall someone telling me that there was a way I could set up > a FreeBSD machine so that another FreeBSD machine could monitor the state of > its kernel variables over ethernet. I am trying to track downa bug where > a machine appears to have a diisc driver halt, but still talks to the net,so > I am looking for some tool that willlet me go in and findout whats going > on ? > > cheers, > > -pcf. Hi, it was in the handbook, but the Chapter moved to the Developer Handbook some time ago. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/x4259.html Here it is described now. You will need two computers connected via serial link. Have a lot of fun Marc __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 6:56:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.firstcallgroup.co.uk (dilbert.firstcallgroup.co.uk [194.203.69.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E96A37B401 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:56:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfrench@firstcallgroup.co.uk) Received: from pfrench by mailhost.firstcallgroup.co.uk with local (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15PldG-0004Nb-00; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:56:54 +0100 To: sumirati@yahoo.de Subject: Re: Remote monitoring of the state of a kernel... Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20010726135019.99398.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: From: Pete French Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:56:54 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > it was in the handbook, but the Chapter moved to the Developer Handbook some > time ago. > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/x4259.html > > Here it is described now. You will need two computers connected via serial > link. Hmm, I found that bit, but I am sure this wasnt what I saw before. That system is not ging to work for me because the two machines are separated by about 30 miles (though I guess I could beg space on some of the mux's possibly and route a serial line that way). I was sure there was an ether based solution somewhere ? Thanks for the pointer though - Imay end up having to try and use that if all else fails. -pcf. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 7: 3:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from imr2.ericy.com (imr2.ericy.com [12.34.240.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B666937B407 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:03:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Antoine.Beaupre@ericsson.ca) Received: from mr7.exu.ericsson.se (mr7att.ericy.com [138.85.92.15]) by imr2.ericy.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6QE3M529280; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:03:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from noah.lmc.ericsson.se (noah.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.1.1]) by mr7.exu.ericsson.se (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6QE3Lb11814; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:03:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se (lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.16.175]) by noah.lmc.ericsson.se (8.11.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id f6QE3KA28026; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:03:19 -0400 Received: from lmc.ericsson.se (lmcpc100455.pc.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.23.150]) by LMC37.lmc.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id PVKZ79MN; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:03:10 -0400 From: "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" To: Pete French Cc: sumirati@yahoo.de, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3B60231D.2060009@lmc.ericsson.se> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:03:09 -0400 Organization: LMC, Ericsson Research Canada User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:0.9.2+) Gecko/20010717 X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Remote monitoring of the state of a kernel... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry to jump in, but it seems to me that you wouldn't *want* an ether-based solution since that would give anyone that has access to the wire a nice debugger to the kernel, which is basically complete control over the machine. The proper qay to do this is to use a console server. Either an old 486 running *only* ssh or a proprietary console server, either one running a serial wire to one of their ports to your server. I don't see another solution. If there's a crash, anyways, don't count on the tcp/ip stack too much. ;) A. Pete French wrote: >>http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/x4259.html >> >>Here it is described now. You will need two computers connected via serial >>link. > > Hmm, I found that bit, but I am sure this wasnt what I saw before. That > system is not ging to work for me because the two machines are separated > by about 30 miles (though I guess I could beg space on some of the mux's > possibly and route a serial line that way). I was sure there was an > ether based solution somewhere ? > > Thanks for the pointer though - Imay end up having to try and use that > if all else fails. > > -pcf. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- Antoine Beaupré Jambala TCM team Ericsson Canada inc. mailto:antoine.beaupre@ericsson.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 7: 6:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from delphinium.mine.nu (unknown [203.106.221.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E05237B401 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:06:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@delphinium.mine.nu) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by delphinium.mine.nu (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6QEBYa46671 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:11:43 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from root@delphinium.mine.nu) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:11:14 +0800 (MYT) From: Mandy Moore To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: msg in /var/log/messages Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This messages keep on appearing in my /var/log/messages but I do not know what do they explain. The box acts as a gateway from the LANs to my ISP using ppp. I'm using 2 3com NICs to separate the two LANs ( xl0 & xl1 ). Jul 26 20:55:38 delphinium ppp[46228]: Phase: deflink: HDLC errors -> FCS: 12, ADDR: 0, COMD: 0, PROTO: 0 Jul 26 20:55:42 delphinium /kernel: arp: 192.168.1.12 is on xl0 but got reply from 00:80:48:db:6a:0c on xl1 Jul 26 20:56:03 delphinium /kernel: arp: 192.168.1.2 is on xl0 but got reply from 00:04:76:71:b3:79 on xl1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 7:14:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pflnoczr.networktelephone.net (unknown [216.107.65.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49EAA37B408 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:14:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Steve.Dobbs@networktelephone.net) Received: by pflnoczr.networktelephone.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:14:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: Steve Dobbs To: "Freebsd Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: samba & swat Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:14:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've got samba & swat running on a number of solaris servers at my office and was trying to set up samba & swat on some of the freebsd servers, but I'm having problems getting swat to work. Samba 2.2.1a is working fine, but not swat. Following the examples from solarisland, I manually added the line swat 901/tcp to the /etc/services file and added swat stream tcp nowait.400 root /usr/local/sbin/swat swat to the inetd.conf and kill -HUP'ed the inetd process, but swat still isn't responding on port 901. Does anyone know what I did wrong? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 7:15:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ece.cmu.edu (ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.236.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F145737B401 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:15:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) Received: from haral (HARAL.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.92]) (authenticated) by ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f6QEFS222428; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:13:43 -0400 From: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" To: Ross Lippert , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KDE multimedia 2.x.x and artsd (4.3-RELEASE) Message-ID: <0.996156823@haral> In-Reply-To: <200107261324.GAA09256@eskimo.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.8 (SunOS/SPARC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, July 26, 2001 06:24:41 -0700, Ross Lippert wrote: +----- | Speaking of broken mpeg playback, I have noticed that kde's | artsd does play nice with other mpeg players (xmms, mpg123), | in that it seems to open and then hang on to /dev/dsp and | I just need to killall artsd to get these players to work. +--->8 artsd is an audio multiplexer; you should let it have control of the audio hardware and use artsdsp to make other programs use aRts for audio. (Yes, this is much like esd.) -- brandon s. allbery [os/2][linux][solaris][freebsd] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [JAPH][WAY too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university [linux: proof of the million monkeys theory] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 7:20:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inorth.com (natted.inscriber.com [209.167.77.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3212B37B401 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:20:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdunn@inscriber.com) Received: from shizuka.inorth.com ([10.0.0.29]) by mail.inorth.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 3VJ5BVYR; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:20:27 -0400 Received: by shizuka.inorth.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4C96B8EC; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:19:39 -0400 From: Graham Dunn To: Steve Dobbs Cc: "Freebsd Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: samba & swat Message-ID: <20010726101938.B52674@inscriber.com> Mail-Followup-To: Steve Dobbs , "Freebsd Mailing List (E-mail)" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Steve.Dobbs@networktelephone.net on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 09:14:36AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3F 56 12 9B 8A E1 77 CB F0 62 94 B0 93 06 1E 88 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was having problems trying to get swat to take authentication when I installed from ports ... uninstalling and installing from packages fixed the problem. On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 09:14:36AM -0500, Steve Dobbs wrote: > I've got samba & swat running on a number of solaris servers at my office > and was trying to set up samba & swat on some of the freebsd servers, but > I'm having problems getting swat to work. Samba 2.2.1a is working fine, but > not swat. Following the examples from solarisland, I manually added the > line > > swat 901/tcp > > to the /etc/services file and added > > swat stream tcp nowait.400 root /usr/local/sbin/swat swat > > to the inetd.conf and kill -HUP'ed the inetd process, but swat still isn't > responding on port 901. Does anyone know what I did wrong? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- gdunn@inscriber.com Graham Dunn || ||| | ||| |||| | |||| | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 8:44:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3F237B403; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:44:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6QFioF65413; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:44:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6QFinw03993; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:44:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200107261544.f6QFinw03993@harmony.village.org> To: David Malone Subject: Re: Strange select(2) misbehaviour when linked with -pthread Cc: Maxim Sobolev , current@FreeBSD.ORG, Julian Elischer , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:59:31 BST." <20010726115931.A93134@walton.maths.tcd.ie> References: <20010726115931.A93134@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <3B5EA985.458B39B7@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:44:49 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20010726115931.A93134@walton.maths.tcd.ie> David Malone writes: : Or don't work as the case may be ;-) Posix doesn't actually require : select to be able to deal with large wait times (I think 31 days was : the figure I found in the SUSv2 spec). Have a look at: 31 days, interestingly enough, is very close to the amount of time it takes for a 32 bit counter to wrap in milliseconds. Oh, wait, that's 49 days and a little bit. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 8:50:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from over.ru (runaway.2sun.ru [217.174.96.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DEFE737B407 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:50:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tarkhil@over.ru) Received: (qmail 3425 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Jul 2001 15:48:41 -0000 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 19:48:41 +0400 From: Alex Povolotsky To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Problem with two interfaces Message-ID: <20010726194841.A3351@runaway.2sun.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! A friend of mine (he recalls installation and patching of 386BSD 0.02) asks me about the following problem: FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE, ISO image fetched from ftp.freebsd.org; Box with two NICs, fxp and CNet on Macronix chipset (former mx). Gateway IS enabled. Both interfaces works, no firewall installed. Box can be seen from both interfaces, but it does not route. What can be wrong? Alex. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 9: 3: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2211737B405; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:02:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from so@server.i-clue.de) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id SAA15307; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:10:56 +0200 Message-ID: <3B603FBC.E909C7D7@i-clue.de> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:05:16 +0200 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Povolotsky Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with two interfaces References: <20010726194841.A3351@runaway.2sun.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alex Povolotsky wrote: > > Hello! > > A friend of mine (he recalls installation and patching of 386BSD 0.02) > asks me about the following problem: > > FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE, ISO image fetched from ftp.freebsd.org; > > Box with two NICs, fxp and CNet on Macronix chipset (former mx). > > Gateway IS enabled. Both interfaces works, no firewall installed. Box > can be seen from both interfaces, but it does not route. > > What can be wrong? No routes installed, wrong routes installed, firewall up? Please post output of ifconfig -a, netstat -rn, ipfw list. HTH -Christoph Sold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 9: 8:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from skeezix.n0qds.org (skeezix.n0qds.org [204.246.69.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6549837B403; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:08:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gregp@n0qds.org) Received: by skeezix.n0qds.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id DA97FC9; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:08:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:08:39 -0500 From: Greg Putrich To: Alex Povolotsky Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with two interfaces Message-ID: <20010726110839.A71142@skeezix.n0qds.org> References: <20010726194841.A3351@runaway.2sun.ru> <3B603FBC.E909C7D7@i-clue.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B603FBC.E909C7D7@i-clue.de>; from so@server.i-clue.de on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 06:05:16PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After you enabled the gateway option, did you reboot? You can check to see if forwarding is enabled: # sysctl net.inet.ip.forwarding If it returns 0, then no forwarding. 1 it is forwarding (and the problem rests elsewhere). If it's 0, either reboot or type: # sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 > Alex Povolotsky wrote: > > > > Hello! > > > > A friend of mine (he recalls installation and patching of 386BSD 0.02) > > asks me about the following problem: > > > > FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE, ISO image fetched from ftp.freebsd.org; > > > > Box with two NICs, fxp and CNet on Macronix chipset (former mx). > > > > Gateway IS enabled. Both interfaces works, no firewall installed. Box > > can be seen from both interfaces, but it does not route. > > > > What can be wrong? -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Putrich - Internet: gregp@n0qds.org [sk] "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own." - No. 6 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 9:14:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9440037B403 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:14:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oberman@ptavv.es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f6QGDwb04517; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107261613.f6QGDwb04517@ptavv.es.net> To: Warner Losh Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New Option ROM device in stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:23:15 MDT." <200107260523.f6Q5NFw00748@harmony.village.org> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:13:58 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:23:15 -0600 > From: Warner Losh > > In message <200107122149.f6CLnpA25543@ptavv.es.net> "Kevin Oberman" writes: > : I notice that a new device, "Option ROM", has appeared in stable as of > : a few days ago. No man page, but the driver makes me think it's to > : solve the problem of properly assigning memory space for device iomem. > : > : Is this what it's all about? > > You are exactly right. It just gobbles up the option ROMs with the > right signature so that other devices (like pcic/pccard) don't try to > use them. > > It does need a man page, though, doesn't it? Actually, it has one in current and Bruce MFCed it last week. It's in stable as of at least last Friday. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 9:15:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07F237B403 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:15:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6QGFhF65546; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:15:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6QGFhw04290; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:15:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200107261615.f6QGFhw04290@harmony.village.org> To: "Kevin Oberman" Subject: Re: New Option ROM device in stable Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:13:58 PDT." <200107261613.f6QGDwb04517@ptavv.es.net> References: <200107261613.f6QGDwb04517@ptavv.es.net> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:15:43 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200107261613.f6QGDwb04517@ptavv.es.net> "Kevin Oberman" writes: : Actually, it has one in current and Bruce MFCed it last week. It's in : stable as of at least last Friday. OK. I'm behind the -stable times then :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 9:31:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ada.eu.org (marvin.enst.fr [137.194.161.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36ADC37B419 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:31:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sam@inf.enst.fr) Received: by ada.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 9B631A8008; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:31:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by trillian.rfc1149.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A27D719313B; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:30:47 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Kernel crashes in -STABLE Date: 26 Jul 2001 18:30:47 +0200 Lines: 88 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Samuel Tardieu Organization: Ecole Nationale Superieure des Telecommunications Reply-To: Samuel Tardieu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-WWW: http://www.rfc1149.net/sam X-Mail-Processing: Sam's procmail tools X-ICQ: 21547599 X-Sam-Laptop: yes Message-Id: <2001-07-26-18-30-47+trackit+sam@inf.enst.fr> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I get repeated crashes with -STABLE on my VAIO Z600NE. Using a 4.3-RELEASE (even with the latest -STABLE world), I have no problem. No PCCARD was inserted. Generally, the kernel crashes shortly after starting XEmacs+Gnus under KDE. Sources (kernel + world) are from about 4 hours ago. Sam Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd"... IdlePTD 3670016 initial pcb at 2bf6a0 panicstr: vm_fault: fault on nofault entry, addr: c9e08000 panic messages: --- panic: vm_fault: fault on nofault entry, addr: c9e08000 syncing disks... 131 done Uptime: 15m46s dumping to dev #ad/0x30001, offset 270304 dump ata0: resetting devices .. done 127 126 125 124 123 122 121 120 119 118 117 116 115 114 113 112 111 110 109 108 107 106 105 104 103 102 101 100 99 98 97 96 95 94 93 92 91 90 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 70 69 68 67 66 65 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 --- #0 dumpsys () at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:472 472 if (dumping++) { (kgdb) bt #0 dumpsys () at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:472 #1 0xc015a1d7 in boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:312 #2 0xc015a56d in panic ( fmt=0xc027ed80 "vm_fault: fault on nofault entry, addr: %lx") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:559 #3 0xc02031fc in vm_fault () #4 0xc0252bd6 in trap_pfault (frame=0xca040eb8, usermode=0, eva=3386933588) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:833 #5 0xc02527cf in trap (frame={tf_fs = 16, tf_es = -1066205168, tf_ds = -905707504, tf_edi = -907214720, tf_esi = -905708608, tf_ebp = -905703652, tf_isp = -905703708, tf_ebx = 0, tf_edx = 0, tf_ecx = 11932, tf_eax = -908033784, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -1072354292, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 66118, tf_esp = -907214720, tf_ss = 1}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:443 #6 0xc0152c0c in exit1 () #7 0xc0152790 in exit1 () #8 0xc0253229 in syscall2 (frame={tf_fs = 47, tf_es = 47, tf_ds = 47, tf_edi = 0, tf_esi = -1, tf_ebp = -1077939152, tf_isp = -905703468, tf_ebx = 672235176, tf_edx = 672308448, tf_ecx = -1077939328, tf_eax = 1, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 2, tf_eip = 671941820, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 647, tf_esp = -1077939196, tf_ss = 47}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1150 #9 0xc0247035 in Xint0x80_syscall () Cannot access memory at address 0xbfbff430. (kgdb) fr 8 #8 0xc0253229 in syscall2 (frame={tf_fs = 47, tf_es = 47, tf_ds = 47, tf_edi = 0, tf_esi = -1, tf_ebp = -1077939152, tf_isp = -905703468, tf_ebx = 672235176, tf_edx = 672308448, tf_ecx = -1077939328, tf_eax = 1, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 2, tf_eip = 671941820, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 647, tf_esp = -1077939196, tf_ss = 47}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1150 1150 error = (*callp->sy_call)(p, args); (kgdb) info local params = 0xbfbff408
i = 0 callp = (struct sysent *) 0xc029d4b0 p = (struct proc *) 0xc9ed0080 sticks = 2 error = 0 narg = -907214720 args = {0, 0, 2, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0} have_mplock = 1 code = 1 (kgdb) info arg frame = {tf_fs = 47, tf_es = 47, tf_ds = 47, tf_edi = 0, tf_esi = -1, tf_ebp = -1077939152, tf_isp = -905703468, tf_ebx = 672235176, tf_edx = 672308448, tf_ecx = -1077939328, tf_eax = 1, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 2, tf_eip = 671941820, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 647, tf_esp = -1077939196, tf_ss = 47} Does it look like a known problem? -- Samuel Tardieu -- sam@inf.enst.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jul 26 9:33:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gactr.uga.edu (mail.gactr.uga.edu [128.192.37.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CA5837B403 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:33:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Robin_Blanchard@gactr.uga.edu) Received: (qmail 10504 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 16:33:19 -0000 Received: from qat.noc.nat (HELO gactr.uga.edu) ([10.10.100.125]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Jul 2001 16:33:19 -0000 Message-ID: <3B60464F.229F72C6@gactr.uga.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:33:19 -0400 From: "Robin P. Blanchard" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: serial console woes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ok... i've followed the instructions per the handbook for setting up a headless box with serial console. i keep running into the same problem. i see the box boot (via the serial link), and all relevant kernel messages are displayed via the serial link; but i never get a login prompt. it's as if only kernel messages are being redirected to the serial link and i don't really have a console. i tried forcing the serial port to be console via by adding 0x30 to its flags in the kernel config and still the same results. i've also played with all imagineable combinations of -P -D and -h in /boot.config help? thanks in advance. relevant dmesg: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Thu Jul 26 11:34:43 EDT 2001 root@qat.noc.nat:/usr/src/sys/compile/radio Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium Pro (199.43-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x619 Stepping = 9 Features=0xfbff real memory = 268435456 (262144K bytes) avail memory = 257708032 (251668K bytes) Programming 16 pins in IOAPIC #0 EISA INTCONTROL = 00004e00 IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 -> irq 0 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 3, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 1, version: 0x000f0011, at 0xfec00000 VESA: v2.0, 1024k memory, flags:0x0, mode table:0xc0302e02 (1000022) VESA: ATI MACH64 Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 13.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 ahc0: port 0xe800-0xe8ff mem 0xfddfe000-0xf ddfefff irq 9 at device 10.0 on pci1 aic7880: Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc1: port 0xe400-0xe4ff mem 0xfddfd000-0xfddfdff f irq 9 at device 11.0 on pci1 aic7860: Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 3/255 SCBs isab0: at device 15.0 on pci0 eisa0: on isab0 mainboard0: on eisa0 slot 0 isa0: on isab0 fxp0: port 0xf4a0-0xf4bf mem 0xfdf00000-0xfdff ffff,0xfdefe000-0xfdefefff irq 10 at device 16.0 on pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:25:47:dd nsphy0: on miibus0 nsphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto pcm0: port 0xf4c0-0xf4ff irq 11 at device 17.0 on pci0 de0: port 0xf400-0xf47f mem 0xfdeffc00-0xfdeffc7f irq 14 at device 19.0 on pci0 de0: SMC 9332BDT 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.0 de0: address 00:e0:29:05:78:b5 pci0: at 20.0 orm0: