From owner-freebsd-standards Sun Dec 30 2:21:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-standards@freebsd.org Received: from a96180.upc-a.chello.nl (a96180.upc-a.chello.nl [62.163.96.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FBA37B405; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:21:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by a96180.upc-a.chello.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0F5EB219C; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:21:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:21:38 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Mike Barcroft Cc: Joe Halpin , "standards@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: at utility changes Message-ID: <20011230102138.GJ69365@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <3C200BBA.9D26ED93@attbi.com> <20011228031537.B99161@espresso.q9media.com> <3C2DF35D.1F54BBC3@attbi.com> <20011229153328.D99161@espresso.q9media.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011229153328.D99161@espresso.q9media.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-standards@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20011229 21:39], Mike Barcroft (mike@FreeBSD.ORG) wrote: >(I prefer manual over man page, but that's an optional change.) That is also the preferred doc way. Ruslan will flail you for not doing it that way. :) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / Asmodai / Kita no Mono / xMach coreteam asmodai@[wxs.nl|xmach.org], finger asmodai@ninth-circle.org, www.xmach.org If I promise you the Moon and the Stars, would you believe it..? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-standards" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-standards Sun Dec 30 6: 6: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-standards@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81EB37B419 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 06:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from attbi.com ([12.237.33.57]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011230140553.EBIG6450.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:05:53 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2F1F41.E260DDAA@attbi.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:05:53 -0600 From: Joe Halpin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: standards@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Emacs and style(9) References: <20011228031537.B99161@espresso.q9media.com> <3C2CA64C.663F8943@attbi.com> <200112281746.fBSHk6n58428@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <20011228.120317.105126127.imp@village.org> <20011229175813.GA42892@madman.nectar.cc> <3C2E1481.75D70CE1@attbi.com> <20011230051716.GA80312@madman.nectar.cc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-standards@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jacques A. Vidrine" wrote: > > Maybe that's my problem. Any way to do what the style manpage wants? > > Have you tried what I posted previously? Works for me. I did, but I was expecting something else. I think I was expecting something else because I misunderstood the style man page though. Eight spaces seems like a lot to me for each indentation level. I generally use two spaces though. I guess it's meant to keep you from nesting the logic in a function too deply :-). Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-standards" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-standards Sun Dec 30 9:28:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-standards@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B11D37B419 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:28:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (imp@69.imp.village.org [10.0.0.69]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBUHRxl31847; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:28:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:27:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20011230.102758.21910806.imp@village.org> To: joe.halpin@attbi.com Cc: standards@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Emacs and style(9) From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <3C2F1F41.E260DDAA@attbi.com> References: <3C2E1481.75D70CE1@attbi.com> <20011230051716.GA80312@madman.nectar.cc> <3C2F1F41.E260DDAA@attbi.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-standards@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : Eight spaces seems like a lot to me for each indentation level. I : generally use two spaces though. I guess it's meant to keep you from : nesting the logic in a function too deply :-). I have emperical evidence that 2 space indentation styles cause more complex and harder to maintain code than 8. But it is a little weak. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-standards" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-standards Sun Dec 30 9:34: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-standards@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDFC37B417 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:34:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from attbi.com ([12.237.33.57]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011230173401.ICFD6450.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:34:01 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2F5009.30D6EE6F@attbi.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:34:01 -0600 From: Joe Halpin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: standards@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Emacs and style(9) References: <3C2E1481.75D70CE1@attbi.com> <20011230051716.GA80312@madman.nectar.cc> <3C2F1F41.E260DDAA@attbi.com> <20011230.102758.21910806.imp@village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-standards@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "M. Warner Losh" wrote: > > : Eight spaces seems like a lot to me for each indentation level. I > : generally use two spaces though. I guess it's meant to keep you from > : nesting the logic in a function too deply :-). > > I have emperical evidence that 2 space indentation styles cause > more complex and harder to maintain code than 8. But it is a little > weak. Well, this is pretty personal stuff. I doubt that "cause" is the right word, but I can believe that the smaller the indentation level, the more inclined someone might be to throw another if (...) or two in there. It takes some judgement to realize when to break out a block of code into a separate function. Still, 8 spaces seems a bit excessive to me, especially if the code contains long variable names, etc. Just my $.02 U.S. Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-standards" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-standards Sun Dec 30 9:54:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-standards@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898F637B419 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:54:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (imp@69.imp.village.org [10.0.0.69]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBUHsgl31936; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:54:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:54:40 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20011230.105440.26516576.imp@village.org> To: joe.halpin@attbi.com Cc: standards@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Emacs and style(9) From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <3C2F5009.30D6EE6F@attbi.com> References: <3C2F1F41.E260DDAA@attbi.com> <20011230.102758.21910806.imp@village.org> <3C2F5009.30D6EE6F@attbi.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-standards@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : Well, this is pretty personal stuff. I doubt that "cause" is the right : word, but I can believe that the smaller the indentation level, the more : inclined someone might be to throw another if (...) or two in there. It : takes some judgement to realize when to break out a block of code into a : separate function. Let's just say that I've seen shallow indentation favored by programmers that tended to lack such judgement :-) : Still, 8 spaces seems a bit excessive to me, especially if the code : contains long variable names, etc. True, but for style(9) programs it is the law of the land... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-standards" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-standards Sun Dec 30 10:11: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-standards@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DF737B41D for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:10:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from attbi.com ([12.237.33.57]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011230181057.IURN6450.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:10:57 +0000 Message-ID: <3C2F58B1.6A570E4F@attbi.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:10:57 -0600 From: Joe Halpin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: standards@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Emacs and style(9) References: <3C2F1F41.E260DDAA@attbi.com> <20011230.102758.21910806.imp@village.org> <3C2F5009.30D6EE6F@attbi.com> <20011230.105440.26516576.imp@village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-standards@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "M. Warner Losh" wrote: > > : Well, this is pretty personal stuff. I doubt that "cause" is the right > : word, but I can believe that the smaller the indentation level, the more > : inclined someone might be to throw another if (...) or two in there. It > : takes some judgement to realize when to break out a block of code into a > : separate function. > > Let's just say that I've seen shallow indentation favored by > programmers that tended to lack such judgement :-) > > : Still, 8 spaces seems a bit excessive to me, especially if the code > : contains long variable names, etc. > > True, but for style(9) programs it is the law of the land... What's a style(9) program? I've been doing a little work on the at utility, and I've seen three or more different indentation styles employed (sometimes within the same function). Maybe a good working comporomise between standardization and personal preference could be achieved with indent(1). If it (or something similar) con be setup to reformat code to the style(9) specs, we could use our preferences when writing the code, and then translate it to the standard format for submission. Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-standards" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-standards Sun Dec 30 11: 8:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-standards@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19BF37B41A for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (imp@dhcp30.timing.com [206.168.13.252]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBUJ8Dl32151; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:08:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:08:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20011230.120811.71108741.imp@village.org> To: joe.halpin@attbi.com Cc: standards@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Emacs and style(9) From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <3C2F58B1.6A570E4F@attbi.com> References: <3C2F5009.30D6EE6F@attbi.com> <20011230.105440.26516576.imp@village.org> <3C2F58B1.6A570E4F@attbi.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-standards@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : What's a style(9) program? I've been doing a little work on the at : utility, and I've seen three or more different indentation styles : employed (sometimes within the same function). Simple bsd utility. : Maybe a good working comporomise between standardization and personal : preference could be achieved with indent(1). If it (or something : similar) con be setup to reformat code to the style(9) specs, we could : use our preferences when writing the code, and then translate it to the : standard format for submission. I've tried that on a project I worked on where all code passed through indent on its way into the repository... That path lies madness. We hadd *PROBLEMS* doing that and even the most stubborn of the engineer "cats" agreed it was better to do things in one style than to rely on a flawed program to do it automatically. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-standards" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-standards Sun Dec 30 12: 4: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-standards@freebsd.org Received: from mail.acns.ab.ca (h24-64-56-135.cg.shawcable.net [24.64.56.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251B137B41A; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:04:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from colnta.acns.ab.ca (colnta.acns.ab.ca [192.168.1.2]) by mail.acns.ab.ca (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBUK44I11699; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:04:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from davidc@colnta.acns.ab.ca) Received: (from davidc@localhost) by colnta.acns.ab.ca (8.11.6/8.11.3) id fBUK44o78987; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:04:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from davidc) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:04:04 -0700 From: Chad David To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai Cc: Mike Barcroft , Joe Halpin , "standards@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: at utility changes Message-ID: <20011230130404.A78954@colnta.acns.ab.ca> References: <3C200BBA.9D26ED93@attbi.com> <20011228031537.B99161@espresso.q9media.com> <3C2DF35D.1F54BBC3@attbi.com> <20011229153328.D99161@espresso.q9media.com> <20011230102138.GJ69365@daemon.ninth-circle.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011230102138.GJ69365@daemon.ninth-circle.org>; from asmodai@wxs.nl on Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 11:21:38AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-standards@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 11:21:38AM +0100, Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > -On [20011229 21:39], Mike Barcroft (mike@FreeBSD.ORG) wrote: > >(I prefer manual over man page, but that's an optional change.) > > That is also the preferred doc way. > > Ruslan will flail you for not doing it that way. :) Perhaps the mdoc(7) man page should be updated then: "Throughout the UNIX manual pages, a manual entry is simply referred to as a man page, regardless of actual length and without sexist intention." Since nobody that I know refers to them as a "manual pages", and the mdoc(7) man page itself indicates that they should be called "man pages", I prefer to stick with tradition :). -- Chad David davidc@acns.ab.ca ACNS Inc. Calgary, Alberta Canada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-standards" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-standards Sun Dec 30 12:49:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-standards@freebsd.org Received: from a96180.upc-a.chello.nl (a96180.upc-a.chello.nl [62.163.96.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02EF37B405; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 12:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by a96180.upc-a.chello.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B6911219A; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:49:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:49:40 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Chad David Cc: Mike Barcroft , Joe Halpin , "standards@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: at utility changes Message-ID: <20011230204940.GQ69365@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <3C200BBA.9D26ED93@attbi.com> <20011228031537.B99161@espresso.q9media.com> <3C2DF35D.1F54BBC3@attbi.com> <20011229153328.D99161@espresso.q9media.com> <20011230102138.GJ69365@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20011230130404.A78954@colnta.acns.ab.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011230130404.A78954@colnta.acns.ab.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-standards@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20011230 21:15], Chad David (davidc@acns.ab.ca) wrote: >Since nobody that I know refers to them as a "manual pages", and the mdoc(7) >man page itself indicates that they should be called "man pages", I prefer >to stick with tradition :). It is simple: translators and translation work. Hence we also refrain from using I've, we're, they're, and so forth. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / Asmodai / Kita no Mono / xMach coreteam asmodai@[wxs.nl|xmach.org], finger asmodai@ninth-circle.org, www.xmach.org Seek not death in the error of your life: and pull not upon yourselves destruction with the works of your hands... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-standards" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-standards Mon Dec 31 6:18: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-standards@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82A937B423 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 06:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from attbi.com ([12.237.33.57]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011231141800.EXWG6450.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:18:00 +0000 Message-ID: <3C307398.5A83DEE4@attbi.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:18:00 -0600 From: Joe Halpin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "standards@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: at utility changes References: <3C200BBA.9D26ED93@attbi.com> <20011228031537.B99161@espresso.q9media.com> <3C2DF35D.1F54BBC3@attbi.com> <20011229153328.D99161@espresso.q9media.com> <20011230102138.GJ69365@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20011230130404.A78954@colnta.acns.ab.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-standards@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've got a question for the standards gurus here. The POSIX draft says the following: "XSI Users shall be permitted to use at if their name appears in the file /usr/lib/cron/at.allow. If that file does not exist, the file /usr/lib/cron/at.deny shall be checked to determine whether the user shall be denied access to at..." Currently, at(1) looks for these files in /var/at. It's been suggested that I symbolicly link them to /var/cron from there. Anyone have an opinion about whether that would comply with the standard or not? Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-standards" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-standards Mon Dec 31 6:20:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-standards@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D10937B420 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 06:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from attbi.com ([12.237.33.57]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011231142022.ZNHH20122.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:20:22 +0000 Message-ID: <3C307425.7ECED11D@attbi.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:20:21 -0600 From: Joe Halpin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "standards@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: at utility changes References: <3C200BBA.9D26ED93@attbi.com> <20011228031537.B99161@espresso.q9media.com> <3C2DF35D.1F54BBC3@attbi.com> <20011229153328.D99161@espresso.q9media.com> <20011230102138.GJ69365@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20011230130404.A78954@colnta.acns.ab.ca> <3C307398.5A83DEE4@attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-standards@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joe Halpin wrote: > > I've got a question for the standards gurus here. The POSIX draft says > the following: > > "XSI Users shall be permitted to use at if their name appears in the > file /usr/lib/cron/at.allow. If that file does not exist, the file > /usr/lib/cron/at.deny shall be checked to determine whether the user > shall be denied access to at..." > > Currently, at(1) looks for these files in /var/at. It's been suggested > that I symbolicly link them to /var/cron from there. Anyone have an Sorry, by "there", I meant /usr/lib/cron. Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-standards" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-standards Mon Dec 31 6:30:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-standards@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36AA37B42F for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 06:30:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) id fBVEUBp99435; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:30:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:30:11 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200112311430.fBVEUBp99435@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Joe Halpin Cc: "standards@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: at utility changes In-Reply-To: <3C307398.5A83DEE4@attbi.com> References: <3C200BBA.9D26ED93@attbi.com> <20011228031537.B99161@espresso.q9media.com> <3C2DF35D.1F54BBC3@attbi.com> <20011229153328.D99161@espresso.q9media.com> <20011230102138.GJ69365@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20011230130404.A78954@colnta.acns.ab.ca> <3C307398.5A83DEE4@attbi.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-standards@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > "XSI Users shall be permitted to use at if their name appears in the > file /usr/lib/cron/at.allow. I think this falls under our historical precedent, ``when the standard is wrong, ignore it''. This is clearly out-of-scope for POSIX, and snuck in with the SUS unification. We're unlikely to get UNIX branding for a whole bunch of reasons, so implementing this particularly broken pathname seems like a bad move. If you feel like, you can add it as a compile-time option.... -GAWollman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-standards" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-standards Mon Dec 31 6:37:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-standards@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B020737B419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 06:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBVEbTl35019; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:37:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBVEbS152179; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:37:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:37:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20011231.073720.74125621.imp@village.org> To: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Cc: joe.halpin@attbi.com, standards@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: at utility changes From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <200112311430.fBVEUBp99435@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <20011230130404.A78954@colnta.acns.ab.ca> <3C307398.5A83DEE4@attbi.com> <200112311430.fBVEUBp99435@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-standards@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <200112311430.fBVEUBp99435@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Garrett Wollman writes: : < said: : : > "XSI Users shall be permitted to use at if their name appears in the : > file /usr/lib/cron/at.allow. : : I think this falls under our historical precedent, ``when the standard : is wrong, ignore it''. This is clearly out-of-scope for POSIX, and : snuck in with the SUS unification. We're unlikely to get UNIX : branding for a whole bunch of reasons, so implementing this : particularly broken pathname seems like a bad move. : : If you feel like, you can add it as a compile-time option.... Would a symbolic link be desirable and compliant? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-standards" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-standards Mon Dec 31 6:40:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-standards@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D683037B41F for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 06:40:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) id fBVEepF99560; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:40:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:40:51 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200112311440.fBVEepF99560@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: "M. Warner Losh" Cc: standards@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: at utility changes In-Reply-To: <20011231.073720.74125621.imp@village.org> References: <20011230130404.A78954@colnta.acns.ab.ca> <3C307398.5A83DEE4@attbi.com> <200112311430.fBVEUBp99435@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <20011231.073720.74125621.imp@village.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-standards@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > Would a symbolic link be desirable and compliant? No (see hier(7)) and maybe. -GAWollman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-standards" in the body of the message