From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Apr 21 6:23:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935CB37B419 for ; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 06:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-b215.otenet.gr [212.205.244.223]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3LDNL5q026582; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:23:22 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g3LDNF7C010565; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:23:22 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g3LD1wiq010237; Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:01:58 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:01:58 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Mark Filipak Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Why would one switch to FreeBSD (was: Mark asks: Easy way to copy CD-ROM > MS-floppy?) Message-ID: <20020421130157.GC8347@hades.hell.gr> References: <3CC0CAE5.A8A56319@earthlink.net> <877kn1ptad.fsf@ralf.artlogix.com> <3CC24B33.7102597C@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3CC24B33.7102597C@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ Moved to -advocacy, since this is not an answer to -questions anymore. ] On 2002-04-21 01:16, Mark Filipak wrote: > | Important Facts > | =============== > | * The existing installation has *no* man pages. > | * The existing installation has *no* MS-DOS clone commands (e.g., > | "mcd", "mcopy", etc.) > | * I could not figure out if the system has what it takes to mount an > | MS-DOS file system -- I don't know where things are. > | * The resulting floppy must be readable by Win98SE. > > It will indeed be a pleasure when I have a running 4.5 system to play > with. Especially when you realize that it has all the manpages you need in the base system. That there is a compiler in there too. That a wealth of tools & applications can be installed by installing simply a precompiled package with pkg_add (which can automatically fetch and install dependencies too), or recompile your own packages from the ports. That you have the full source to the system, and can casually browse the source looking for interesting ideas when you implement your own applications. There might be disadvantages hidden in there somewhere (such as increased disk space usage, when the full source tree is installed), but I'll let you find out about those as you start using the system. Ever since I switched to FreeBSD, I discover more reasons every day for not stopping to use it :) Giorgos Keramidas FreeBSD Documentation Project keramida@{freebsd.org,ceid.upatras.gr} http://www.FreeBSD.org/docproj/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Apr 22 13: 1:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fallbackmx01.syd.optusnet.com.au (fallbackmx01.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72FCB37B49C for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail019.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail019.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.160]) by fallbackmx01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3MBoOp15341 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:50:24 +1000 Received: from optusnet.com.au (golax6-137.dialup.optusnet.com.au [211.28.134.137]) by mail019.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g3MBnMi30984 for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:49:22 +1000 Message-ID: <3CC3F9EB.B5607CB6@optusnet.com.au> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:54:19 +1000 From: Ian Pulsford X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why would one switch to FreeBSD (was: Mark asks: Easy way to copy CD-ROM > MS-floppy?) References: <3CC0CAE5.A8A56319@earthlink.net> <877kn1ptad.fsf@ralf.artlogix.com> <3CC24B33.7102597C@earthlink.net> <20020421130157.GC8347@hades.hell.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > [ Moved to -advocacy, since this is not an answer to -questions anymore. ] > > On 2002-04-21 01:16, Mark Filipak wrote: > > | Important Facts > > | =============== > > | * The existing installation has *no* man pages. > > | * The existing installation has *no* MS-DOS clone commands (e.g., > > | "mcd", "mcopy", etc.) > > | * I could not figure out if the system has what it takes to mount an > > | MS-DOS file system -- I don't know where things are. > > | * The resulting floppy must be readable by Win98SE. It is not FreeBSD's fault that the original installer did not install the man pages, "MS-DOS clone" commands, or that the user did not know how to mount a DOS filesystem. Please, if the poster of this section is inexperienced, take the time to learn how to manipulate FreeBSD and you will be rewarded. I have been playing with it for several years and enjoy it very much. Learning takes time, patience, some frustration; but then there are the excellent moments when everything makes sense and falls into place. > > It will indeed be a pleasure when I have a running 4.5 system to play > > with. > > Especially when you realize that it has all the manpages you need in > the base system. That there is a compiler in there too. That a > wealth of tools & applications can be installed by installing simply a > precompiled package with pkg_add (which can automatically fetch and > install dependencies too), or recompile your own packages from the > ports. That you have the full source to the system, and can casually > browse the source looking for interesting ideas when you implement > your own applications. > > There might be disadvantages hidden in there somewhere (such as > increased disk space usage, when the full source tree is installed), > but I'll let you find out about those as you start using the system. > > Ever since I switched to FreeBSD, I discover more reasons every day > for not stopping to use it :) Exactly! > Giorgos Keramidas FreeBSD Documentation Project > keramida@{freebsd.org,ceid.upatras.gr} http://www.FreeBSD.org/docproj/ Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Apr 22 16:23:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1AEB37B4AB for ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18497 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:16:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:16:05 -0600 (MDT) From: Brett Glass Message-Id: <200204222316.RAA18497@lariat.org> To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: An opportunity for FreeBSD? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Microsoft is apparently putting the squeeze on a large number of public schools in the Pacific Northwest, asking them to pay a yearly royalty on EVERY MACHINE THEY OWN -- including ones running other operating systems such as Macs. Sounds like a good opportunity to introduce them to FreeBSD. Anyone in that region interested in bringing them some CDs? (See http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/all_wire_stories/101386428029222529.xml) --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Apr 23 13:58:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCA837B425; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA54A9; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:39:25 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:36:05 -0700 Received: from there (dhcp-46-120.acuson.com [157.226.46.120]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GKG93126; Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:36:45 -0700 From: Johnson David To: Giorgos Keramidas , Mark Filipak Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Organization: Acuson Subject: Re: Why would one switch to FreeBSD (was: Mark asks: Easy way to copy CD-ROM > MS-floppy?) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:39:23 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <3CC0CAE5.A8A56319@earthlink.net> <3CC24B33.7102597C@earthlink.net> <20020421130157.GC8347@hades.hell.gr> In-Reply-To: <20020421130157.GC8347@hades.hell.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020423205809.1CCA837B425@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm not on -questions, so I'm joining late... On Sunday 21 April 2002 06:01 am, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > [ Moved to -advocacy, since this is not an answer to -questions anymore. ] > > On 2002-04-21 01:16, Mark Filipak wrote: > > | Important Facts > > | =============== > > | * The existing installation has *no* man pages. I'm sure someone has already pointed this out, but if not, let me repeat: man pages are installed by default. If you didn't get them, it's because you chose not to install them. I've found that the FreeBSD man pages are the most complete and well written of any Unix or unix-like system I've yet encountered. > > | * The existing installation has *no* MS-DOS clone commands (e.g., > > | "mcd", "mcopy", etc.) > > | * I could not figure out if the system has what it takes to mount an > > | MS-DOS file system -- I don't know where things are. > > | * The resulting floppy must be readable by Win98SE. First, read the handbook and the faq. They are installed by default. Then check out "mtools", which isn't installed by default, but which is very easy to install yourself. If you want more advanced tools, try newfs_msdos and mount_msdos, which are installed by default. Let me repeat: read the handbook and faq. > Ever since I switched to FreeBSD, I discover more reasons every day > for not stopping to use it :) I especially love the fact that you can go from blank hard drive to a running FreeBSD system in fifteen minutes, which includes all the man pages, handbook, faq, and a plethora of msdos tools. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Apr 23 16:41:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sherline.net (sherline.net [216.203.226.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2565037B420 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 71494 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2002 23:40:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cptnhosedonkey) (68.8.235.4) by sherline.net with SMTP; 23 Apr 2002 23:40:12 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c1eb20$79526b90$a700a8c0@cptnhosedonkey> From: "Jeremiah Gowdy" To: "Johnson David" , "Giorgos Keramidas" , "Mark Filipak" Cc: References: <3CC0CAE5.A8A56319@earthlink.net> <3CC24B33.7102597C@earthlink.net> <20020421130157.GC8347@hades.hell.gr> <20020423205809.1CCA837B425@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Why would one switch to FreeBSD (was: Mark asks: Easy way to copy CD-ROM > MS-floppy?) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:42:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I've found that the FreeBSD man pages are the most complete and well written > of any Unix or unix-like system I've yet encountered. Agreed. Kudos to the documentation team and everyone who participates. I sat at lunch with a group of people who I believe were part of the documentation effort at BSDCon this year, and one of the things they were discussing was how easy it can be to contribute to the FreeBSD documentation, and yet how overlooked the documentation is by most people. If you are someone who cannot code, has some extra time on their hands, and has always been looking for a way to contribute to FreeBSD, consider documentation. Manpages, handbook additions, articles, reviews, etc. All of these things are part of what makes it FreeBSD function, and what brings new users into the FreeBSD community. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Apr 23 16:56: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC75F37B41B; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([192.168.1.6]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g3NNttSW002925; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:55:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from darklogik@pittgoth.com) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:03:52 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: "Jeremiah Gowdy" Cc: djohnson@acuson.com, keramida@FreeBSD.ORG, filipak@earthlink.net, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why would one switch to FreeBSD (was: Mark asks: Easy way to copy CD-ROM > MS-floppy?) Message-Id: <20020423200352.0c821ad7.darklogik@pittgoth.com> In-Reply-To: <000b01c1eb20$79526b90$a700a8c0@cptnhosedonkey> References: <3CC0CAE5.A8A56319@earthlink.net> <3CC24B33.7102597C@earthlink.net> <20020421130157.GC8347@hades.hell.gr> <20020423205809.1CCA837B425@hub.freebsd.org> <000b01c1eb20$79526b90$a700a8c0@cptnhosedonkey> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.5) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:42:04 -0700 "Jeremiah Gowdy" wrote: > > I've found that the FreeBSD man pages are the most complete and well > written > > of any Unix or unix-like system I've yet encountered. > > Agreed. Kudos to the documentation team and everyone who > participates. > > I sat at lunch with a group of people who I believe were part of the > documentation effort at BSDCon this year, and one of the things they > were discussing was how easy it can be to contribute to the FreeBSD > documentation, and yet how overlooked the documentation is by most > people. > > If you are someone who cannot code, has some extra time on their > hands, and has always been looking for a way to contribute to FreeBSD, > consider documentation. Manpages, handbook additions, articles, > reviews, etc. All of these things are part of what makes it FreeBSD > function, and what brings new users into the FreeBSD community. Exactly! Without alot of that documention, I feel the current FreeBSD user base would not be the size it is. Most people, myself included, would never be here today without it. ;) Yay for us doc people ;) > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > -- Tom (Darklogik) Rhodes www.FreeBSD.org -The Power To Serve www.Pittgoth.com -Pittgoth Discussion Portal trhodes@{Pittgoth.com, FreeBSD.org} PGP key by www: http://www.pittgoth.com/~darklogik/darklogik.key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message