From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jan 27 6:13:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A525B37B402 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 06:13:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0REDPw29076 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:13:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:13:25 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: profile Alpha kernel no-go? Message-ID: <20020127151325.A25384@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Triggered by a remark from Murray that building the Alpha world takes so much longer than the x86 one I just tried if I can build a profiled kernel on the Alpha. It appears that is not possible: ds10#cd - /sys/compile/DS10 ds10#make depend cc -c -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -I../../contrib/ipfilter -DGPROF -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -malign-functions=4 -mno-fp-regs -Wa,-mev56 ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c cc1: Invalid option `align-functions=4' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/compile/DS10. It seems to originate from .if defined(PROF) CFLAGS+= -malign-functions=4 .if ${PROFLEVEL} >= 2 IDENT+= -DGPROF4 -DGUPROF PROF+= -mprofiler-epilogue .endif .endif On x86 the -malign-functions is a valid option. On alpha it is not. As this is my first ever attempt at a profiled kernel please bear with me ;) Wilko -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jan 27 7:20:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E609637B400 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:19:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (relay2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.1]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3-2) with ESMTP id g0RFJsq27475; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:19:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (hyperion.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.33]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3/6) with ESMTP id g0RFJsv27471; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:19:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (margaux.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.72]) by hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA29620; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:18:25 +0100 (MET) Received: (from stolz@localhost) by margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1-gb-2) id QAA13156; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:19:49 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:19:49 +0100 From: Volker Stolz To: Bernd Walter Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha/34232: rpc.statd throws alignment errors Message-ID: <20020127161949.A13152@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> References: <202201241710.20OHA8r00644@varphi.ikea.net> <15440.21386.540347.636057@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020124201845.A12480@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <15440.25178.498060.252753@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020124212215.A12504@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <15440.28287.114851.338325@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020124214007.B12504@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <15440.29647.830389.441847@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020124220434.A12525@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <20020126182535.D75106@cicely8.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: <20020126182535.D75106@cicely8.cicely.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In local.freebsd-alpha, you wrote: > I have mailed a fix for the ifconfig alignment problem to the list. > Can you please verify if that helps for your rpc.statd problem. > I doubt that it makes any differences to your snmpd problem, but > one never knows. 'ifconfig' is now fine, but no change to 'rpc.statd'. Should anything else be required appart from building a new kernel? Core was generated by `rpc.statd'. Program terminated with signal 10, Bus error. #0 0x120005584 in get_myaddress () (gdb) where #0 0x120005584 in get_myaddress () Cannot access memory at address 0xfffffffffffffffd. -- Wonderful \hbox (0.80312pt too nice) in paragraph at lines 16--18 Volker Stolz * stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Please use PGP or S/MIME for correspondence! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jan 27 7:27:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341F037B404 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with UUCP id g0RFQ3d16357; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:26:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20.cicely.de [10.1.1.22]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0RFR4Z9080590; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:27:04 +0100 (CET)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.2.10]) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0RFR4f05272; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:27:04 +0100 (CET) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0RFR3B92789; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:27:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:27:03 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Volker Stolz Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: alpha/34232: rpc.statd throws alignment errors Message-ID: <20020127162702.C92489@cicely8.cicely.de> References: <15440.21386.540347.636057@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020124201845.A12480@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <15440.25178.498060.252753@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020124212215.A12504@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <15440.28287.114851.338325@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020124214007.B12504@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <15440.29647.830389.441847@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020124220434.A12525@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <20020126182535.D75106@cicely8.cicely.de> <20020127161949.A13152@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020127161949.A13152@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely8.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 04:19:49PM +0100, Volker Stolz wrote: > In local.freebsd-alpha, you wrote: > > I have mailed a fix for the ifconfig alignment problem to the list. > > Can you please verify if that helps for your rpc.statd problem. > > I doubt that it makes any differences to your snmpd problem, but > > one never knows. > > 'ifconfig' is now fine, but no change to 'rpc.statd'. > Should anything else be required appart from building a new kernel? No. > Core was generated by `rpc.statd'. > Program terminated with signal 10, Bus error. > #0 0x120005584 in get_myaddress () > (gdb) where > #0 0x120005584 in get_myaddress () > Cannot access memory at address 0xfffffffffffffffd. It's a different reason then. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jan 27 9:26:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF9837B402; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:26:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (relay2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.1]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3-2) with ESMTP id g0RHQqq10640; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:26:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (hyperion.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.33]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3/6) with ESMTP id g0RHQqv10636; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:26:52 +0100 (MET) Received: from margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (margaux.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.72]) by hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA01144; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:25:20 +0100 (MET) Received: (from stolz@localhost) by margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1-gb-2) id SAA13199; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:26:44 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:26:44 +0100 From: Volker Stolz To: alpha@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha/34232: rpc.statd throws alignment errors Message-ID: <20020127182644.A13195@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> References: <202201241710.20OHA8r00644@varphi.ikea.net.local.14387.740> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: <202201241710.20OHA8r00644@varphi.ikea.net.local.14387.740> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org More details after building libc with debugging support: #0 0x120005584 in get_myaddress (addr=0x11ffb950) at /usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/rpc/get_myaddress.c:84 84 memcpy(&ifreq, ifr, sizeof(ifreq)); -- Wonderful \hbox (0.80312pt too nice) in paragraph at lines 16--18 Volker Stolz * stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Please use PGP or S/MIME for correspondence! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jan 27 9:30:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0F037B432 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0RHU3N67579; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:30:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 09:30:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200201271730.g0RHU3N67579@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Cc: From: Volker Stolz Subject: Re: alpha/34232: rpc.statd throws alignment errors Reply-To: Volker Stolz Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR alpha/34232; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Volker Stolz To: alpha@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha/34232: rpc.statd throws alignment errors Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:26:44 +0100 More details after building libc with debugging support: #0 0x120005584 in get_myaddress (addr=0x11ffb950) at /usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/rpc/get_myaddress.c:84 84 memcpy(&ifreq, ifr, sizeof(ifreq)); -- Wonderful \hbox (0.80312pt too nice) in paragraph at lines 16--18 Volker Stolz * stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Please use PGP or S/MIME for correspondence! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jan 27 10: 5:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247B137B400 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with UUCP id g0RI47Q44898; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:04:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20.cicely.de [10.1.1.22]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0RI57Z9081736; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:05:07 +0100 (CET)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.2.10]) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0RI56f05377; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:05:07 +0100 (CET) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0RI56D93135; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:05:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:05:05 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Volker Stolz Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: alpha/34232: rpc.statd throws alignment errors Message-ID: <20020127190505.D92489@cicely8.cicely.de> References: <15440.21386.540347.636057@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020124201845.A12480@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <15440.25178.498060.252753@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020124212215.A12504@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <15440.28287.114851.338325@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020124214007.B12504@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <15440.29647.830389.441847@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020124220434.A12525@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <20020126182535.D75106@cicely8.cicely.de> <20020127161949.A13152@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020127161949.A13152@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely8.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 04:19:49PM +0100, Volker Stolz wrote: > In local.freebsd-alpha, you wrote: > > I have mailed a fix for the ifconfig alignment problem to the list. > > Can you please verify if that helps for your rpc.statd problem. > > I doubt that it makes any differences to your snmpd problem, but > > one never knows. > > 'ifconfig' is now fine, but no change to 'rpc.statd'. > Should anything else be required appart from building a new kernel? > > Core was generated by `rpc.statd'. > Program terminated with signal 10, Bus error. > #0 0x120005584 in get_myaddress () > (gdb) where > #0 0x120005584 in get_myaddress () > Cannot access memory at address 0xfffffffffffffffd. It is different. You have an invalid address now. It looks like the code makes some odd asumptions about the data. I wished TIS-RPC had been MFC'ed. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jan 27 12: 8:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E1237B402 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:08:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19589; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g0RK8Cc85329; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:08:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15444.24108.47016.207022@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:08:12 -0500 (EST) To: Wilko Bulte Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: profile Alpha kernel no-go? In-Reply-To: <20020127151325.A25384@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020127151325.A25384@freebie.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte writes: > Hi > > Triggered by a remark from Murray that building the Alpha > world takes so much longer than the x86 one I just tried That's because the gcc backend for alpha is much more expensive than it is for x86. Try cross-building an x86 world on alpha & see how much faster it is. > if I can build a profiled kernel on the Alpha. I use iprobe for kernel profiling. I've never tried slow profiling on alpha.. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jan 27 12:15:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09EFF37B416 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:15:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19661; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g0RKF6Z85342; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:15:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15444.24522.595616.15614@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:15:06 -0500 (EST) To: Bernd Walter Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ifconfig alignment fix In-Reply-To: <20020126181352.C75106@cicely8.cicely.de> References: <20020126181352.C75106@cicely8.cicely.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nice fix. I'm building a new kernel to test your patch now. Any idea exactly what commit introduced this problem? Drew Bernd Walter writes: > > The reason is that struct ifa_msghdr is not n * 8 bytes. > If an interface has an uneven number of addresses it toggles > alignment for the next interface. > I would be more happy when struct ifa_msghdr gets resized, > but that will break binary compatibility. > > -- > B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de > ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de > > --- sys/net/rtsock.c.orig Sat Jan 26 16:59:56 2002 > +++ sys/net/rtsock.c Sat Jan 26 17:00:01 2002 > @@ -664,6 +664,7 @@ > } > len += dlen; > } > + len = _ALIGN(len); > if (cp == 0 && w != NULL && !second_time) { > register struct walkarg *rw = w; > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jan 27 12:59:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B78637B402 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:59:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with UUCP id g0RKxFS81485; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:59:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20.cicely.de [10.1.1.22]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0RKvQZ9083090; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:57:26 +0100 (CET)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.2.10]) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0RKvQf05558; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:57:26 +0100 (CET) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0RKvPJ93497; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:57:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:57:23 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ifconfig alignment fix Message-ID: <20020127215722.E92489@cicely8.cicely.de> References: <20020126181352.C75106@cicely8.cicely.de> <15444.24522.595616.15614@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15444.24522.595616.15614@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely8.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 03:15:06PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Nice fix. I'm building a new kernel to test your patch now. > > Any idea exactly what commit introduced this problem? I have no clue. Neither the struct nor the function have changed lately. All I know is that it did not happen with a november version. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jan 27 13: 1:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A1037B404 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:01:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0RL1Fb30641; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:01:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:01:15 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: profile Alpha kernel no-go? Message-ID: <20020127220115.A30625@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020127151325.A25384@freebie.xs4all.nl> <15444.24108.47016.207022@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15444.24108.47016.207022@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 03:08:12PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 03:08:12PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Wilko Bulte writes: > > Hi > > > > Triggered by a remark from Murray that building the Alpha > > world takes so much longer than the x86 one I just tried > > That's because the gcc backend for alpha is much more expensive than > it is for x86. Try cross-building an x86 world on alpha & see how > much faster it is. That is interesting! I'd really like to try that. Is it documented somewhere how one performs a x-build? > > if I can build a profiled kernel on the Alpha. > > I use iprobe for kernel profiling. I've never tried slow profiling on > alpha.. Well.. you can't ;) -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jan 27 13: 6:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C269C37B402 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20502; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g0RL62X85398; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:06:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15444.27578.545496.249269@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:06:02 -0500 (EST) To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: profile Alpha kernel no-go? In-Reply-To: <20020127220115.A30625@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020127151325.A25384@freebie.xs4all.nl> <15444.24108.47016.207022@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020127220115.A30625@freebie.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte writes: > On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 03:08:12PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > Wilko Bulte writes: > > > Hi > > > > > > Triggered by a remark from Murray that building the Alpha > > > world takes so much longer than the x86 one I just tried > > > > That's because the gcc backend for alpha is much more expensive than > > it is for x86. Try cross-building an x86 world on alpha & see how > > much faster it is. > > That is interesting! I'd really like to try that. Is it documented > somewhere how one performs a x-build? Dunno. Ru@freebsd.org walked me through it in Oct. Do: make TARGET_ARCH=i386 DESTDIR=/i386 world kernel You also should be able to build alpha on x86. One word of warning -- you need to unhook sysinstall from the build, as it depends on x86 specific bootblocks laying around, or something like that. My memory is rather vague.. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jan 27 14:43:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D35137B402; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:43:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (relay2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.1]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3-2) with ESMTP id g0RMhoq16766; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:43:50 +0100 (MET) Received: from hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (hyperion.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.33]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3/6) with ESMTP id g0RMhnv16761; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:43:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (margaux.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.72]) by hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA04242; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:42:20 +0100 (MET) Received: (from stolz@localhost) by margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1-gb-2) id XAA13315; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:43:45 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:43:44 +0100 From: Volker Stolz To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha/34232: rpc.statd throws alignment errors Message-ID: <20020127234344.A13308@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> References: <200201271730.g0RHU3N67579@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: <200201271730.g0RHU3N67579@freefall.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sigh. Okay. Here's my first take at this sucker: Some interface addresses have 26 bytes in size, which causes the alignment error. The attached fix will solve my rpc.statd problem and hopefully a couple of things more (I saw dhclient going mad on me earlier, but this seems to have been fixed now, too). The obvious disadvantage: Each time, the ioctl will copy up to 7(6?) bytes of garbage, but we can probably live with that :-) Should I hunt down the place where this ifa->ifa_addr is initialized and add the padding right then when the interface (address) is created? This patch seems to be closely related to the ifconfig patch. Another question: Can I safely replace memcpy(&ifreq, ifr, sizeof(ifreq)); with ifreq=*ifr; in lib/libc/rpc/get_myaddress.c? I know that this kind of assignment has been non-standard, but I'd like to know if this will safely work today. I did check, it works fine. It will de-obfuscate the code and even eliminate one warning :-) --- sys/net/if.c.orig Sun Jan 27 23:25:54 2002 +++ sys/net/if.c Sun Jan 27 23:12:54 2002 @@ -1298,6 +1298,7 @@ for ( ; space > sizeof (ifr) && ifa; ifa = ifa->ifa_link.tqe_next) { register struct sockaddr *sa = ifa->ifa_addr; + sa->sa_len = _ALIGN(sa->sa_len); if (curproc->p_prison && prison_if(curproc, sa)) continue; addrs++; -- Wonderful \hbox (0.80312pt too nice) in paragraph at lines 16--18 Volker Stolz * stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Please use PGP or S/MIME for correspondence! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jan 27 14:50: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E9B37B400 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:50:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0RMo2F41640; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:50:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:50:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200201272250.g0RMo2F41640@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Cc: From: Volker Stolz Subject: Re: alpha/34232: rpc.statd throws alignment errors Reply-To: Volker Stolz Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR alpha/34232; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Volker Stolz To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha/34232: rpc.statd throws alignment errors Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:43:44 +0100 Sigh. Okay. Here's my first take at this sucker: Some interface addresses have 26 bytes in size, which causes the alignment error. The attached fix will solve my rpc.statd problem and hopefully a couple of things more (I saw dhclient going mad on me earlier, but this seems to have been fixed now, too). The obvious disadvantage: Each time, the ioctl will copy up to 7(6?) bytes of garbage, but we can probably live with that :-) Should I hunt down the place where this ifa->ifa_addr is initialized and add the padding right then when the interface (address) is created? This patch seems to be closely related to the ifconfig patch. Another question: Can I safely replace memcpy(&ifreq, ifr, sizeof(ifreq)); with ifreq=*ifr; in lib/libc/rpc/get_myaddress.c? I know that this kind of assignment has been non-standard, but I'd like to know if this will safely work today. I did check, it works fine. It will de-obfuscate the code and even eliminate one warning :-) --- sys/net/if.c.orig Sun Jan 27 23:25:54 2002 +++ sys/net/if.c Sun Jan 27 23:12:54 2002 @@ -1298,6 +1298,7 @@ for ( ; space > sizeof (ifr) && ifa; ifa = ifa->ifa_link.tqe_next) { register struct sockaddr *sa = ifa->ifa_addr; + sa->sa_len = _ALIGN(sa->sa_len); if (curproc->p_prison && prison_if(curproc, sa)) continue; addrs++; -- Wonderful \hbox (0.80312pt too nice) in paragraph at lines 16--18 Volker Stolz * stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Please use PGP or S/MIME for correspondence! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jan 28 2: 8:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.baerum.kommune.no (mail.baerum.kommune.no [195.134.40.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 354C937B417; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:08:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from SA-D01-Message_Server by mail.baerum.kommune.no with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:08:12 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:07:58 +0100 From: "Idar Tollefsen" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Using GCC 3 for ports? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I just picked up an old answer for my question, one that I've been pondering lately. Altough a little OT, I tought I still try to make some sence of this: > Don't use gcc 3.0.x. It will dump core on the following code: > > switch(foo) { > default: > blah(); > break; > } > >You don't want to know how many places code like this exists in >our source tree much less in 3rd party software. :) Just make >sure you have gcc 3.1.x which has this bug fixed. It doesn't look >like gcc 3.1 is in ports (probably cause there's no released version >of it yet). However, if you really want to, you can install the >gcc30 port, and build by doing 'make CC=3Dgcc30'. Why is this kind of constructs used instead of a simple "if" statement? I remember at one point, there were rumors that a switch clause was faster than an "if" statement, but I tought that argument was gone with modern compilers who were able to optimize both just as well...? - IT To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jan 28 2:17:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C67437B400; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:17:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0101.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.101] helo=mindspring.com) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16V8qf-00036v-00; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:17:14 -0800 Message-ID: <3C552524.F8D0E562@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 02:17:08 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Idar Tollefsen Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, jhb@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using GCC 3 for ports? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Idar Tollefsen wrote: > > Don't use gcc 3.0.x. It will dump core on the following code: > > > > switch(foo) { > > default: > > blah(); > > break; > > } > > Why is this kind of constructs used instead of a simple "if" statement? > I remember at one point, there were rumors that a switch clause was > faster than an "if" statement, but I tought that argument was gone with > modern compilers who were able to optimize both just as well...? Because: switch(foo) { #ifdef NOT_ON_BY_DEFAULT_1 case 75: fum(); break; #endif #ifdef NOT_ON_BY_DEFAULT_2 case 106: fee(); break; #endif default: blah(); break; } Is a cleaner way to do it. Counter question: why won't the GCC compiler compile C code? 8-) -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jan 28 4:44:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F104937B402 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 04:44:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (relay2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.1]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3-2) with ESMTP id g0SCi0q29720 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:44:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (hyperion.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.33]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3/6) with ESMTP id g0SChxv29716 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:43:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (margaux.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.72]) by hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05049 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:42:30 +0100 (MET) Received: (from stolz@localhost) by margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1-gb-2) id NAA13535 for alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:43:54 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:43:54 +0100 From: Volker Stolz To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: traceroute6 not working (here) Message-ID: <20020128134354.B13517@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 'traceroute6' gives a strange error: varphi# traceroute6 www.kame.net bind: Can't assign requested address The network setup should be okay, other (i386) hosts an the LAN work fine. 'ping6' works on the alpha, though. -- Wonderful \hbox (0.80312pt too nice) in paragraph at lines 16--18 Volker Stolz * stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Please use PGP or S/MIME for correspondence! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jan 28 5:17:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969AE37B400 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 05:17:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with UUCP id g0SDFjv00626; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:15:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20.cicely.de [10.1.1.22]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0SDGKZ9088544; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:16:20 +0100 (CET)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.2.10]) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0SDF1f06836; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:15:01 +0100 (CET) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0SDGJP95824; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:16:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:16:17 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Volker Stolz Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: traceroute6 not working (here) Message-ID: <20020128141617.A94062@cicely8.cicely.de> References: <20020128134354.B13517@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020128134354.B13517@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely8.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 01:43:54PM +0100, Volker Stolz wrote: > 'traceroute6' gives a strange error: > > varphi# traceroute6 www.kame.net > bind: Can't assign requested address > > The network setup should be okay, other (i386) hosts > an the LAN work fine. 'ping6' works on the alpha, though. Works here: traceroute6 to kame220.kame.net (3ffe:501:4819:2000:280:adff:fe71:81fc) from 3ffe:400:8d0:101::1, 30 hops max, 24 byte packets 1 6bone.ipv6.uni-muenster.de 45.006 ms 26.196 ms * 2 3ffe:401:0:1::16:2 132.389 ms 127.641 ms * 3 3ffe:808:0:1::11 499.059 ms 487.508 ms 481.069 ms 4 3ffe:3900:2::2 549.601 ms 513.976 ms 513.496 ms 5 pc3.nezu.wide.ad.jp 522.006 ms 524.591 ms 526.497 ms 6 pc7.nezu.wide.ad.jp 494.894 ms 507.649 ms 499.499 ms 7 pc3.yagami.wide.ad.jp 500.834 ms 501.497 ms 501.721 ms 8 gr2000.k2c.wide.ad.jp 504.115 ms 491.505 ms 495.973 ms 9 * apple.kame.net 504.749 ms 493.901 ms bernd@srv1.cosmo-project.de:~# uname -a FreeBSD srv1.cosmo-project.de 4.5-RC FreeBSD 4.5-RC #3: Mon Jan 28 13:23:03 CET 2002 bernd@srv1.cosmo-project.de:/var/FreeBSD-2002-01-16/src/sys/compile/SRV1 alpha With rtsock alignment patch... Can you please give: ifconfig -a netstat -nr uname -a -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jan 28 5:37: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC0637B400 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 05:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (relay2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.1]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3-2) with ESMTP id g0SDatL20900; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:36:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (hyperion.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.33]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3/6) with ESMTP id g0SDaru20881; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:36:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (margaux.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.72]) by hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA06032; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:35:21 +0100 (MET) Received: (from stolz@localhost) by margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1-gb-2) id OAA13544; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:36:45 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:36:45 +0100 From: Volker Stolz To: Bernd Walter Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: traceroute6 not working (here) Message-ID: <20020128143645.C13517@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> References: <20020128134354.B13517@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <20020128141617.A94062@cicely8.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: <20020128141617.A94062@cicely8.cicely.de>; from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de on Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 02:16:17PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Am 28. Jan 2002 um 14:16 MET schrieb Bernd Walter: > On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 01:43:54PM +0100, Volker Stolz wrote: > > 'traceroute6' gives a strange error: > > > > varphi# traceroute6 www.kame.net > > bind: Can't assign requested address FreeBSD varphi.ikea.net RC1 FreeBSD RC1 #1: Thu Jan 27 14:43:46 CET 2022 \ root@varphi.ikea.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/VARPHI alpha rtsock & if.c-patch applied to kernel. The setup looks similar on the working machines. varphi# ifconfig -a de0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet6 fe80::240:5ff:fea1:8f55 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet6 fec0::3:240:5ff:fea1:8f55 prefixlen 64 autoconf inet6 3ffe:b80:2de:3:240:5ff:fea1:8f55 prefixlen 64 autoconf inet 192.168.3.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.3.255 ether 00:40:05:a1:8f:55 media: Ethernet 100baseTX status: active sl0: flags=c010 mtu 552 faith0: flags=8002 mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 ppp0: flags=8010 mtu 1500 varphi# netstat -nr Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 192.168.3.1 UGSc 2 4 de0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 2 90 lo0 192.168.3 link#1 UC 1 0 de0 192.168.3.1 0:80:48:e6:97:9a UHLW 3 4210 de0 1170 Internet6: Destination Gateway Flags Netif Expire ::/96 ::1 UGRSc lo0 => default fe80::280:48ff:fee6:979a%de0 UGc de0 ::1 ::1 UH lo0 ::ffff:0.0.0.0/96 ::1 UGRSc lo0 3ffe:b80:2de:3::/64 link#1 UC de0 3ffe:b80:2de:3:240:5ff:fea1:8f55 0:40:5:a1:8f:55 UHL lo0 fe80::/10 ::1 UGRSc lo0 fe80::%de0/64 link#1 UC de0 fe80::240:5ff:fea1:8f55%de0 0:40:5:a1:8f:55 UHL lo0 fe80::280:48ff:fee6:979a%de0 0:80:48:e6:97:9a UHLW de0 fe80::%lo0/64 fe80::1%lo0 Uc lo0 fe80::1%lo0 link#4 UHL lo0 fec0:0:0:3::/64 link#1 UC de0 fec0::3:240:5ff:fea1:8f55 0:40:5:a1:8f:55 UHL lo0 fec0::3:280:adff:fe16:d44 0:80:48:e6:97:9a UHLW de0 ff01::/32 ::1 U lo0 ff02::/16 ::1 UGRS lo0 ff02::%de0/32 link#1 UC de0 ff02::%lo0/32 ::1 UC lo0 -- Wonderful \hbox (0.80312pt too nice) in paragraph at lines 16--18 Volker Stolz * stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Please use PGP or S/MIME for correspondence! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jan 28 6: 1:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868E137B416 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 06:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with UUCP id g0SE0LB01273; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:00:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20.cicely.de [10.1.1.22]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0SDtiZ9088794; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:55:44 +0100 (CET)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.2.10]) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0SDtif06866; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:55:44 +0100 (CET) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0SDtht95912; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:55:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:55:41 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Volker Stolz Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: traceroute6 not working (here) Message-ID: <20020128145541.B94062@cicely8.cicely.de> References: <20020128134354.B13517@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <20020128141617.A94062@cicely8.cicely.de> <20020128143645.C13517@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020128143645.C13517@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely8.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 02:36:45PM +0100, Volker Stolz wrote: > Am 28. Jan 2002 um 14:16 MET schrieb Bernd Walter: > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 01:43:54PM +0100, Volker Stolz wrote: > > > 'traceroute6' gives a strange error: > > > > > > varphi# traceroute6 www.kame.net > > > bind: Can't assign requested address > > FreeBSD varphi.ikea.net RC1 FreeBSD RC1 #1: Thu Jan 27 14:43:46 CET 2022 \ > root@varphi.ikea.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/VARPHI alpha > rtsock & if.c-patch applied to kernel. > > The setup looks similar on the working machines. > > varphi# ifconfig -a > de0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet6 fe80::240:5ff:fea1:8f55 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 > inet6 fec0::3:240:5ff:fea1:8f55 prefixlen 64 autoconf > inet6 3ffe:b80:2de:3:240:5ff:fea1:8f55 prefixlen 64 autoconf You have autoconfigured a site-local *and* an official address. Not very sensefull IMHO. You should reconsider your network design. > inet 192.168.3.2 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.3.255 > ether 00:40:05:a1:8f:55 > media: Ethernet 100baseTX > status: active > sl0: flags=c010 mtu 552 > faith0: flags=8002 mtu 1500 > lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 > inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 > inet6 fe80::1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 > ppp0: flags=8010 mtu 1500 Interesting that the scope is only printed as scopeid not with its name - e.g.: lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 ^^^^ inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 I'm not shure if tracing failed or resolving. Are you using IPv6 addresses for resolving? And can you please ktrace the traceroute6? -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jan 28 6:18:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6190737B402 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 06:18:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (relay2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.1]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3-2) with ESMTP id g0SEINL08610; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:18:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (hyperion.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.33]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3/6) with ESMTP id g0SEIMu08591; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:18:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (margaux.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.72]) by hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA06675; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:16:53 +0100 (MET) Received: (from stolz@localhost) by margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1-gb-2) id PAA13559; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:18:17 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:18:17 +0100 From: Volker Stolz To: Bernd Walter Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: traceroute6 not working (here) Message-ID: <20020128151817.D13517@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> References: <20020128134354.B13517@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <20020128141617.A94062@cicely8.cicely.de> <20020128143645.C13517@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <20020128145541.B94062@cicely8.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: <20020128145541.B94062@cicely8.cicely.de>; from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de on Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 02:55:41PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Am 28. Jan 2002 um 14:55 MET schrieb Bernd Walter: > Interesting that the scope is only printed as scopeid not with its > name - e.g.: > lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 > inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 > ^^^^ Argh, the if.c-patch is breaking it :-( Thanks, I didn't notice the difference with the other machines. -- Wonderful \hbox (0.80312pt too nice) in paragraph at lines 16--18 Volker Stolz * stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Please use PGP or S/MIME for correspondence! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jan 28 13: 7:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from netau1.alcanet.com.au (ntp.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E2B37B404 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:07:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au (mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au [139.188.23.1]) by netau1.alcanet.com.au (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14439; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:07:33 +1100 (EDT) Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #37645) with ESMTP id <01KDMX3W9XGG5IJTU0@cim.alcatel.com.au>; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:07:44 +1100 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0SL7Ue22909; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:07:30 +1100 Content-return: prohibited Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:07:30 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Is anybody actually able to netboot at the moment? In-reply-to: <20020122212659.4047D3BAB@overcee.wemm.org>; from peter@wemm.org on Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 01:26:59PM -0800 To: Peter Wemm Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: Peter Wemm , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <20020129080730.A22842@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <15437.54936.916559.76942@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020122212659.4047D3BAB@overcee.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-Jan-22 13:26:59 -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: >I have found a bug in the prom_get() routine in srmnet.c.. its handling >of the packet lengths is very very broken. It seems to return the full >size of the data area rather than the actual packet length. This was >upsetting a few things. I will definately tinker with the checksum code >and settings now. At least some of this brokenness is to support old and broken SRMs that expect different arguments to prom_read() and apparently return different results. I don't have any SRM's broken in this way. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jan 28 13:11:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199DE37B404 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0SLAqD35291; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:10:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:10:52 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Peter Jeremy Cc: Peter Wemm , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is anybody actually able to netboot at the moment? Message-ID: <20020128221051.A35269@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <15437.54936.916559.76942@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020122212659.4047D3BAB@overcee.wemm.org> <20020129080730.A22842@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020129080730.A22842@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au>; from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 08:07:30AM +1100 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 08:07:30AM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2002-Jan-22 13:26:59 -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > >I have found a bug in the prom_get() routine in srmnet.c.. its handling > >of the packet lengths is very very broken. It seems to return the full > >size of the data area rather than the actual packet length. This was > >upsetting a few things. I will definately tinker with the checksum code > >and settings now. > > At least some of this brokenness is to support old and broken SRMs that > expect different arguments to prom_read() and apparently return different > results. I don't have any SRM's broken in this way. FWIW: the DEC3000 series (IIRC) SRM had quirks like that. My DEC3000 is long gone so I cannot check it anymore W/ -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jan 29 9: 8:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364C737B404; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:08:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g0TH8LQ89026; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:08:21 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:08:21 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: "David O'Brien" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles Message-ID: <20020129190821.B83452@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David! After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may be broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. : -------------------------------------------------------------- : >>> stage 3: cross tools : -------------------------------------------------------------- : cd /usr/src; TOOLS_PREFIX=/usr/obj/alpha/usr/src/i386 MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/alpha/usr/src/i386 DESTDIR= INSTALL="sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh" make -f Makefile.inc1 -DBOOTSTRAPPING -DNOHTML -DNOINFO -DNOMAN -DNOPIC -DNOPROFILE -DNOSHARED -DNO_WERROR -DNO_FORTRAN -DNO_GDB cross-tools : [...] : cd /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils; make obj; make depend; make all; make DESTDIR=/usr/obj/alpha/usr/src/i386 install : [...] : ===> ld : ln -sf /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ld/../../../../contrib/binutils/ld/emultempl/astring.sed stringify.sed : sh /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ld/genscripts.sh /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ld/../../../../contrib/binutils/ld \"/usr/lib\" alpha-unknown-freebsd alpha-unknown-freebsd alpha-unknown-freebsd elf64alpha "" elf64alpha alpha-unknown-freebsd : sed: ldscripts/elf64alpha.xsc: No such file or directory : sed: ldscripts/elf64alpha.xc: No such file or directory : [...] : ===> addr2line : cc -O -pipe -D_GNU_SOURCE -I- -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../libbfd/alpha -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../../../../contrib/binutils/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../libbinutils -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils/addr2line.c : cc -O -pipe -D_GNU_SOURCE -I- -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../libbfd/alpha -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../../../../contrib/binutils/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../libbinutils -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line/../../../../contrib/binutils/binutils -static -o addr2line addr2line.o ../libbinutils/libbinutils.a ../libbfd/libbfd.a ../libiberty/libiberty.a : ../libbinutils/libbinutils.a(bucomm.o): In function `make_tempname': : bucomm.o(.text+0x3af): warning: mktemp() possibly used unsafely; consider using mkstemp() : ../libbfd/libbfd.a(archive.o): In function `bfd_slurp_armap': : archive.o(.text+0xf0d): undefined reference to `bfd_elf64_archive_slurp_armap' : *** Error code 1 : : Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/addr2line. : *** Error code 1 -- Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jan 29 10:32: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246E637B402; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27402; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:32:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g0TIVUY89280; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:31:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15446.60034.705593.999532@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:31:30 -0500 (EST) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: "David O'Brien" , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles In-Reply-To: <20020129190821.B83452@sunbay.com> References: <20020129190821.B83452@sunbay.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ruslan Ermilov writes: > David! > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile > Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown > below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent > ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may > be broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. I can confirm that the normal alpha build is broken. It dies in the same way you described in your cross-build. Sed is also complaining about missing ldscripts/elf64alpha.xsc Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jan 29 12: 2:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353E937B404; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:02:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g0TK2Ib81628; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:02:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:02:18 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles Message-ID: <20020129120218.A81603@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020129190821.B83452@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020129190821.B83452@sunbay.com>; from ru@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:08:21PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:08:21PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > David! > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile > Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown > below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent > ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may > be broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using -current on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 cannot be held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, but it may be a week. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jan 29 18:10:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2BE37B42A; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:10:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0C2215EFD; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:10:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:10:11 +0100 From: Jesper Skriver To: David O'Brien Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles Message-ID: <20020130031010.D82717@FreeBSD.org> References: <20020129190821.B83452@sunbay.com> <20020129120218.A81603@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-rmd160; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020129120218.A81603@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:02:18PM -0800 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B88 9CE8 66E9 E631 C9C5 5EB4 22AB F0EC F956 1C31 X-PGP-Public-Key: http://freesbee.wheel.dk/~jesper/gpgkey.pub Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:02:18PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:08:21PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > David! > >=20 > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile > > Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown > > below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent > > ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may > > be broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. >=20 > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using -current > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 cannot be > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, but it may > be a week. If it's a lack of available hardware, perhaps I can help, I have one alpha (a alpha station 220, I think) currently running -stable, and will likely get between one and three more later this week, I could easily make one or two available to the community. They would be physically located in Denmark, Europe (traceroute to amnesiac.wheel.dk for a idea of network connectivity). /Jesper --=20 Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 Work: Network manager @ AS3292 (Tele Danmark DataNetworks) Private: FreeBSD committer @ AS2109 (A much smaller network ;-) One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8V1YCIqvw7PlWHDERAoNDAJ9Iwsqz6F7OR8jl1BZBTvSmc+L58QCZASVL t/8hm9XkoDKegdJnBuYicmY= =Bz4d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oLBj+sq0vYjzfsbl-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jan 29 18:54:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F7F37B404; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:54:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0276.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.43.21] helo=mindspring.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16Vkt4-00066S-00; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:54:14 -0800 Message-ID: <3C576050.560CB337@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:54:08 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles References: <20020129190821.B83452@sunbay.com> <20020129120218.A81603@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien wrote: > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile > > Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown > > below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent > > ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may > > be broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using -current > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 cannot be > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, but it may > be a week. I know: add cross compilation for Alpha to your regression on i386, IA84, x86-64, or sparc64, and that will catcth things like this in the future, without you needing to have Alpha hardware, and without you orphaning it as a result of your changes. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jan 29 22:13:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7363D37B400; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:13:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0U6DBf41701; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:13:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:13:10 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Terry Lambert Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Ruslan Ermilov , current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles Message-ID: <20020130071310.C41646@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020129190821.B83452@sunbay.com> <20020129120218.A81603@dragon.nuxi.com> <3C576050.560CB337@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C576050.560CB337@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 06:54:08PM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 06:54:08PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > David O'Brien wrote: > > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile > > > Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown > > > below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent > > > ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may > > > be broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. > > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using -current > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 cannot be > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, but it may > > be a week. > > I know: add cross compilation for Alpha to your regression > on i386, IA84, x86-64, or sparc64, and that will catcth > things like this in the future, without you needing to have > Alpha hardware, and without you orphaning it as a result of > your changes. Not a relevant comment I'm afraid, David has Alpha hardware ;) He helped me often enough with Alpha issues. Wilko -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jan 29 22:16: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6323F37B400; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:15:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0U6Fuh41726; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:15:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:15:56 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Jesper Skriver Cc: "David O'Brien" , Ruslan Ermilov , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles Message-ID: <20020130071556.D41646@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020129190821.B83452@sunbay.com> <20020129120218.A81603@dragon.nuxi.com> <20020130031010.D82717@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020130031010.D82717@FreeBSD.org>; from jesper@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:10:11AM +0100 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:10:11AM +0100, Jesper Skriver wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:02:18PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:08:21PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > > David! > > > > > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile > > > Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown > > > below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent > > > ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may > > > be broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. > > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using -current > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 cannot be > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, but it may > > be a week. > > If it's a lack of available hardware, perhaps I can help, I have one > alpha (a alpha station 220, I think) currently running -stable, and will > likely get between one and three more later this week, I could easily > make one or two available to the community. I think it would not hurt to have a few boxes running -current accesible via the Net. Most -alpha folk don't run -current as the Alpha port is very often broken as a 'by product' of x86 developments. That makes -current/Alpha often a frustrating place to be. And this is one of the main frustrations for David if I am not mistaken. > They would be physically located in Denmark, Europe (traceroute to > amnesiac.wheel.dk for a idea of network connectivity). That is close ;^) -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 30 8:20:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EC337B402; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from peter3.wemm.org ([12.232.27.13]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020130162040.VFKO10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@peter3.wemm.org>; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:20:40 +0000 Received: from overcee.wemm.org (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by peter3.wemm.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0UGKes50828; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:20:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14D63A9A; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:20:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Terry Lambert Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Ruslan Ermilov , current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles In-Reply-To: <3C576050.560CB337@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:20:39 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20020130162039.D14D63A9A@overcee.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert wrote: > David O'Brien wrote: > > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile > > > Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown > > > below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent > > > ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may > > > be broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. > > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using -current > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 cannot be > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, but it may > > be a week. > > I know: add cross compilation for Alpha to your regression > on i386, IA84, x86-64, or sparc64, and that will catcth > things like this in the future, without you needing to have > Alpha hardware, and without you orphaning it as a result of > your changes. That's easy to say when signing up somebody else to do the work. Seriously though, in spite of pretending otherwise, i386 *is* our reference platform, and the "other" platforms require people with the hardware and interest to keep it "alive". This is the same with alpha as ia64, sparc64, powerpc, mips, x86-64 etc. If there isn't enough critical mass to keep it going, then it is dead by definition. Witness the mips port, it pretty much never made it to square one. I've done my bit over the last 6 months to keep the alpha alive (ported KSE phase 1 to alpha as well as 3 other platforms that I knew little to nothing about). I dont suppose you actually thought to go and have a look and see what the problem is yourself, rather than assigning the work to somebody else? Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 30 8:23: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4374A37B404; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from peter3.wemm.org ([12.232.27.13]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020130162249.NDL26243.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@peter3.wemm.org>; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:22:49 +0000 Received: from overcee.wemm.org (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by peter3.wemm.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0UGMms50846; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:22:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCCF3A9A; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:22:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Jesper Skriver , "David O'Brien" , Ruslan Ermilov , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles In-Reply-To: <20020130071556.D41646@freebie.xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:22:48 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20020130162248.ABCCF3A9A@overcee.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:10:11AM +0100, Jesper Skriver wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:02:18PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:08:21PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > > > David! > > > > > > > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile > > > > Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown > > > > below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent > > > > ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may > > > > be broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. > > > > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using -current > > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 cannot be > > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, but it may > > > be a week. > > > > If it's a lack of available hardware, perhaps I can help, I have one > > alpha (a alpha station 220, I think) currently running -stable, and will > > likely get between one and three more later this week, I could easily > > make one or two available to the community. > > I think it would not hurt to have a few boxes running -current > accesible via the Net. Most -alpha folk don't run -current as the > Alpha port is very often broken as a 'by product' of x86 developments. > That makes -current/Alpha often a frustrating place to be. Well, there is (sort of) one box available. With beast.freebsd.org, committers can do buildworlds etc. There is local disk space, and MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX is your friend. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 30 8:23:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F045337B417; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:23:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g0UGNmt67452; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:23:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:23:48 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Jesper Skriver Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles Message-ID: <20020130082348.B67274@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.org References: <20020129190821.B83452@sunbay.com> <20020129120218.A81603@dragon.nuxi.com> <20020130031010.D82717@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020130031010.D82717@FreeBSD.org>; from jesper@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:10:11AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:10:11AM +0100, Jesper Skriver wrote: > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using -current > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 cannot be > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, but it may > > be a week. > > If it's a lack of available hardware, perhaps I can help, lack of time > I have one alpha (a alpha station 220, I think) currently running That box takes *way* too long to build world on. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 30 8:50:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FED37B402; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2A0FC5EFD; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:50:17 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:50:17 +0100 From: Jesper Skriver To: David O'Brien Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles Message-ID: <20020130175017.A36883@skriver.dk> References: <20020129190821.B83452@sunbay.com> <20020129120218.A81603@dragon.nuxi.com> <20020130031010.D82717@FreeBSD.org> <20020130082348.B67274@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020130082348.B67274@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:23:48AM -0800 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B88 9CE8 66E9 E631 C9C5 5EB4 22AB F0EC F956 1C31 X-PGP-Public-Key: http://freesbee.wheel.dk/~jesper/gpgkey.pub Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:23:48AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:10:11AM +0100, Jesper Skriver wrote: > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using -current > > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 cannot be > > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, but it may > > > be a week. > > > > If it's a lack of available hardware, perhaps I can help, > > lack of time > > > I have one alpha (a alpha station 220, I think) currently running > > That box takes *way* too long to build world on. I know, but the other boxes are newer, and probably significant faster, but I'll know as soon as I get my hands on them. /Jesper -- Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 Work: Network manager @ AS3292 (Tele Danmark DataNetworks) Private: FreeBSD committer @ AS2109 (A much smaller network ;-) One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 30 9:13:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07F837B439; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:13:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g0UHDDR69535; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:13:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:13:13 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Terry Lambert , Ruslan Ermilov , current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles Message-ID: <20020130091313.C69440@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3C576050.560CB337@mindspring.com> <20020130162039.D14D63A9A@overcee.wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020130162039.D14D63A9A@overcee.wemm.org>; from peter@wemm.org on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:20:39AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:20:39AM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > That's easy to say when signing up somebody else to do the work. > > Seriously though, in spite of pretending otherwise, i386 *is* our reference > platform, and the "other" platforms require people with the hardware and > interest to keep it "alive". ... > If there isn't enough critical mass to keep it going, then it is dead > by definition. This is my current feeling -- that Alpha 5-CURRENT no long has any critical mass. Thus it isn't worth the time or trouble. My interests have moved over to sparc64 and x86-64 where I believe there will be a much larger following. It is shame after I've spent several thousand $$ on Alpha hardware over the past three years. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 30 10:32:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E74237B402; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:32:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0UIWTd43786; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:32:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:32:29 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Terry Lambert , Ruslan Ermilov , current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles Message-ID: <20020130193229.A43663@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <3C576050.560CB337@mindspring.com> <20020130162039.D14D63A9A@overcee.wemm.org> <20020130091313.C69440@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020130091313.C69440@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 09:13:13AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 09:13:13AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:20:39AM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > > That's easy to say when signing up somebody else to do the work. > > > > Seriously though, in spite of pretending otherwise, i386 *is* our reference > > platform, and the "other" platforms require people with the hardware and > > interest to keep it "alive". > ... > > If there isn't enough critical mass to keep it going, then it is dead > > by definition. > > This is my current feeling -- that Alpha 5-CURRENT no long has any > critical mass. Thus it isn't worth the time or trouble. > > My interests have moved over to sparc64 and x86-64 where I believe there For x86-64 I see the point, sparc64 is not something I would want to spend any time on (no disrespect to the sparc64 folks, I just don't think sparc will have any great momentum). > will be a much larger following. It is shame after I've spent several > thousand $$ on Alpha hardware over the past three years. And Alpha hardware is so much nicer than the x86 crap out there :( W/ -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte FreeBSD core team secretary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 30 11:30:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4782937B402; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 11:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with UUCP id g0UJUM946046; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:30:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20.cicely.de [10.1.1.22]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0UJTsZ9021884; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:29:54 +0100 (CET)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.2.10]) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0UJTrf10917; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:29:54 +0100 (CET) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0UJTqw03904; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:29:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:29:50 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Wilko Bulte Cc: "David O'Brien" , Terry Lambert , Ruslan Ermilov , current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles Message-ID: <20020130192950.GK2932@cicely8.cicely.de> References: <3C576050.560CB337@mindspring.com> <20020130162039.D14D63A9A@overcee.wemm.org> <20020130091313.C69440@dragon.nuxi.com> <20020130193229.A43663@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020130193229.A43663@freebie.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely8.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 07:32:29PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 09:13:13AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:20:39AM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > > > That's easy to say when signing up somebody else to do the work. > > > > > > Seriously though, in spite of pretending otherwise, i386 *is* our reference > > > platform, and the "other" platforms require people with the hardware and > > > interest to keep it "alive". > > ... Not to forget knowledge and time. > > > If there isn't enough critical mass to keep it going, then it is dead > > > by definition. > > > > This is my current feeling -- that Alpha 5-CURRENT no long has any > > critical mass. Thus it isn't worth the time or trouble. I'm would not call it dead only because it's always behind development. The latest alpha-current I'm running is nearly a month old - just because I always want to see a stable i386 before which I havn't seen for the last weeks. Sorry - I can't spend my time on alpha *and* machine independ bugs. > > My interests have moved over to sparc64 and x86-64 where I believe there Many alpha bugs and problems are there because of LP64 not because of alpha - other LP64 platforms will put LP64 into a much stronger position and help alpha a lot. I was always interested in FreeBSD-alpha because of having more than 4G memory and more than 4G address space - mostly the later. None is working - Memory is limited to 2G and increasing MAXDSIZ to big values is simply broken. Not ashtonishing that there is no big interest for anyoone to use FreeBSD-alpha in production - you can have these limits cheaper and without the bug troubles using Intel hardware. I always been sorrowed to run an FreeBSD-alpha as a cvsup server. > For x86-64 I see the point, sparc64 is not something I would want to spend > any time on (no disrespect to the sparc64 folks, I just don't think sparc > will have any great momentum). > > > will be a much larger following. It is shame after I've spent several > > thousand $$ on Alpha hardware over the past three years. That's what makes me still beleave in FreeBSD-alpha. Alpha is the cheapest 64 bit platform available. Think a moment on what you have paid for your sun labeled symbios. > And Alpha hardware is so much nicer than the x86 crap out there :( The same goes for sparc64 compared to x86. And sparc64 has a better future from the hardware perspective. I can understand why people are looking forward to sparc64. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 30 13:46:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9700637B402 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:46:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (relay2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.1]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3-2) with ESMTP id g0ULkQL24859 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:46:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (hyperion.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.33]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3/6) with ESMTP id g0ULkQu24851 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:46:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (margaux.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.72]) by hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA29572 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:44:55 +0100 (MET) Received: (from stolz@localhost) by margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1-gb-2) id WAA14161 for alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:46:21 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:46:21 +0100 From: Volker Stolz To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: rpc.statd/SIOCGIFCONF revisited Message-ID: <20020130224621.A14154@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Here's another try after the previous patch did mor good than harm. What happens is this: the ioctl fills a buffer with various entries for interfaces. If it's a sockaddr, everything goes well, that's 7x8 = 56 bytes. Unluckily, for inet6, you get 28 bytes. In your buffer that means something like --|--|--|... 56 28 XX Now the userland code in e.g. libc/rpc/get_myaddress.c memcpy tried now to access XX which obviusly isn't at an 8 byte aligned address. memcpy() *should* be able to copy this region. *But*: memcpy() gets optimized by gcc to use floating point registers (unless you specify -fno-builtin). These instructions can only work on double word aligned data :-/ Something similar happens when you use an assignment like foo = *bar. If you use -fno-builtin, get_myaddress will crash at *addr = *((struct sockaddr_in *)&ifrn->ifr_addr); for a similar reason (the address has to be double word aligned or the ldq will throw... You can find several hints in itojun's and on NetBSD, boling down to inet6 not being LP64 friendly, and SIOCGIFCONF being especially nasty. The attached patch *should* do the following: copy the requested number of bytes but advance to the next aligned positioned and update the sa_len entry only in the structure returned to userland. Thus, if you just use the sa_len entry without resorting to sizeof() your application should work fine. Comments are definetly appreciated. I cannot claim that I understand everything of the stuff going on there, so I'd like to get some thumbs up/down from savvier people. -- Wonderful \hbox (0.80312pt too nice) in paragraph at lines 16--18 Volker Stolz * stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Please use PGP or S/MIME for correspondence! --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="alpha.patch" --- sys/net/if.c.orig Wed Jan 30 21:25:50 2002 +++ sys/net/if.c Wed Jan 30 21:34:27 2002 @@ -1318,17 +1318,20 @@ sizeof (ifr)); ifrp++; } else { - if (space < sizeof (ifr) + sa->sa_len - + if (space < sizeof (ifr) + _ALIGN(sa->sa_len) - sizeof(*sa)) break; - space -= sa->sa_len - sizeof(*sa); + space -= _ALIGN(sa->sa_len) - sizeof(*sa); error = copyout((caddr_t)&ifr, (caddr_t)ifrp, sizeof (ifr.ifr_name)); if (error == 0) error = copyout((caddr_t)sa, (caddr_t)&ifrp->ifr_addr, sa->sa_len); - ifrp = (struct ifreq *) - (sa->sa_len + (caddr_t)&ifrp->ifr_addr); + /* Update sa_len to aligned value in output */ + ifrp->ifr_addr.sa_len = _ALIGN(sa->sa_len); + /* Advance ptr, accounting for spilled padding, too */ + ifrp = _ALIGN((struct ifreq *) + (sa->sa_len + (caddr_t)&ifrp->ifr_addr)); } if (error) break; --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 30 15: 3:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.thehildermans.com (3.wchiv.soho.enteract.com [216.80.72.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47BB37B400; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:03:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-gw-4.msn.com ([65.71.104.185]) by mail.thehildermans.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:56:47 -0600 Message-ID: <00005bbd61ca$000034a0$00001835@smtp-gw-4.msn.com> To: From: lisa_seemonline2@msn.com Subject: I WANT YOU (FREE) 22358 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:59:54 -2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: lis_semeonline888@yahoo.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jan 2002 22:56:48.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[6612FA20:01C1A9E1] Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E COME FUCK MY JUICY WET HOLE http://cumageddon.com/?r=first&p=e I WISH THIS BIG DILDO WAS REALLY YOUR HUGE COCK http://hardcorepleasures.net/?r=second&p=e I'M TIRES OF FINGERING MYSELF. I NEED YOUR HUGE COCK NOW. http://smoothai.com/?r=third&p=e F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 30 20: 0:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D30337B404 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:00:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsd.havk.org (user-24-214-88-13.knology.net [24.214.88.13]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0V40LBZ019693 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:00:23 -0600 (CST) Received: by bsd.havk.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2CD821A786; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:00:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:00:15 -0600 From: Steve Price To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: ps(1) output Q Message-ID: <20020130220015.B14534@bsd.havk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here's a really stupid question but something I've wondered for a long time. Why is it that the output of ps(1) on the Alpha always looks like this? PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND 77337 p0 Ss 0:00.21 (csh) 78179 p0 R+ 0:00.00 (ps) While on the x86 it look like this? PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND 80796 p0 Is+ 0:00.04 zsh 14534 r5 I+ 3:48.99 mutt -y Can anyone point out what I'm obviously missing besides a clue? :) Thanks. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jan 30 23:22:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CABB37B419; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:22:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0237.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.237] helo=mindspring.com) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WBYK-0004jg-00; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:22:37 -0800 Message-ID: <3C58F0B5.6EF0B8DE@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:22:29 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Wemm Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Ruslan Ermilov , current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles References: <20020130162039.D14D63A9A@overcee.wemm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Wemm wrote: > I dont suppose you actually thought to go and have a look and see what the > problem is yourself, rather than assigning the work to somebody else? Nope, sorry. I hear the latest binutils break Alpha cross compilation. My fix is to back out the changes locally, and not use them. Basically, instead of fixing the brokeness, I chose to not break the fixedness. My recommendation would be to revert the change until it can be imported as working code. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jan 31 2:31:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (p5087AF93.dip.t-dialin.net [80.135.175.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E1137B405 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:31:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20.cicely.de [10.1.1.22]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0VAVVZ9026525; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:31:31 +0100 (CET)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de)œ Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.2.10]) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0VAVUf12046; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:31:30 +0100 (CET) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0VAVTP06141; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:31:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:31:29 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Steve Price Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ps(1) output Q Message-ID: <20020131103128.GA6082@cicely8.cicely.de> References: <20020130220015.B14534@bsd.havk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020130220015.B14534@bsd.havk.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely8.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:00:15PM -0600, Steve Price wrote: > Here's a really stupid question but something I've wondered for a long > time. Why is it that the output of ps(1) on the Alpha always looks like > this? > > PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND > 77337 p0 Ss 0:00.21 (csh) > 78179 p0 R+ 0:00.00 (ps) You can't access the remaining process informations, either by permission or if the process is swapped. > While on the x86 it look like this? > > PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND > 80796 p0 Is+ 0:00.04 zsh > 14534 r5 I+ 3:48.99 mutt -y Put some mmeory load on the host or look at process from other users and you will see this too. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jan 31 8:58:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1FE37B417; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:58:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 56B835EF4; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:58:42 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 17:58:42 +0100 From: Jesper Skriver To: David O'Brien Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles Message-ID: <20020131175842.B75618@skriver.dk> References: <20020129190821.B83452@sunbay.com> <20020129120218.A81603@dragon.nuxi.com> <20020130031010.D82717@FreeBSD.org> <20020130082348.B67274@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020130082348.B67274@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.org on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:23:48AM -0800 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B88 9CE8 66E9 E631 C9C5 5EB4 22AB F0EC F956 1C31 X-PGP-Public-Key: http://freesbee.wheel.dk/~jesper/gpgkey.pub Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:23:48AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:10:11AM +0100, Jesper Skriver wrote: > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using -current > > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 cannot be > > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, but it may > > > be a week. > > > > If it's a lack of available hardware, perhaps I can help, > > lack of time > > > I have one alpha (a alpha station 220, I think) currently running > > That box takes *way* too long to build world on. I just got an other one today, a alpha server 800/500, I havn't got it powered yet, but it looks like a 500 MHz cpu, 256 or 512 MB memory, 4 * 4 GB disks. It's not a sprinter, but I believe it's not too slow either. /Jesper -- Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 Work: Network manager @ AS3292 (Tele Danmark DataNetworks) Private: FreeBSD committer @ AS2109 (A much smaller network ;-) One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jan 31 10:33:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139D537B417; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:33:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0VIXP303973; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:33:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:33:25 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Jesper Skriver Cc: "David O'Brien" , Ruslan Ermilov , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles Message-ID: <20020131193325.A3947@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020129190821.B83452@sunbay.com> <20020129120218.A81603@dragon.nuxi.com> <20020130031010.D82717@FreeBSD.org> <20020130082348.B67274@dragon.nuxi.com> <20020131175842.B75618@skriver.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020131175842.B75618@skriver.dk>; from jesper@skriver.dk on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 05:58:42PM +0100 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 05:58:42PM +0100, Jesper Skriver wrote: > I just got an other one today, a alpha server 800/500, I havn't got it > powered yet, but it looks like a 500 MHz cpu, 256 or 512 MB memory, 4 * > 4 GB disks. > > It's not a sprinter, but I believe it's not too slow either. That is a neat box, an EV5 (or EV56) at 500 MHz. Very useful, and roughly comparable to beast.freebsd.org which is a Miata MX5 @ 500MHz. Should be capable enough to do buildworlds etc etc. Wilko -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jan 31 15:35: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747E937B416 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from peter3.wemm.org ([12.232.27.13]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020131233501.MQPT26243.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@peter3.wemm.org> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:35:01 +0000 Received: from overcee.wemm.org (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by peter3.wemm.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0VNZ0s57063 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:35:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965D53809; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:35:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Steve Price Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ps(1) output Q In-Reply-To: <20020130220015.B14534@bsd.havk.org> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:35:00 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20020131233500.965D53809@overcee.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Price wrote: > Here's a really stupid question but something I've wondered for a long > time. Why is it that the output of ps(1) on the Alpha always looks like > this? > > PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND > 77337 p0 Ss 0:00.21 (csh) > 78179 p0 R+ 0:00.00 (ps) > > While on the x86 it look like this? > > PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND > 80796 p0 Is+ 0:00.04 zsh > 14534 r5 I+ 3:48.99 mutt -y > > Can anyone point out what I'm obviously missing besides a clue? :) This is a 4.x bug in the ps and psargs sysctls. I fixed this in -current some time ago. If you dont have /proc mounted (eg: on the axp* cluster) then ps does silly things. It was something silly like a SYSCTL_INT() pointing to a long or vice versa and/or libkvm having a different size to what the kernel had. I'll see if I can find it. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jan 31 15:41:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AFC37B405 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from peter3.wemm.org ([12.232.27.13]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020131234132.JZHI10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@peter3.wemm.org> for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:41:32 +0000 Received: from overcee.wemm.org (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by peter3.wemm.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0VNfWs57085 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:41:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F293809; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:41:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Bernd Walter Cc: Steve Price , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ps(1) output Q In-Reply-To: <20020131103128.GA6082@cicely8.cicely.de> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:41:32 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20020131234132.18F293809@overcee.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bernd Walter wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:00:15PM -0600, Steve Price wrote: > > Here's a really stupid question but something I've wondered for a long > > time. Why is it that the output of ps(1) on the Alpha always looks like > > this? > > > > PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND > > 77337 p0 Ss 0:00.21 (csh) > > 78179 p0 R+ 0:00.00 (ps) > > You can't access the remaining process informations, either by > permission or if the process is swapped. It's a 64 bit long/int bug on RELENG_4. > > While on the x86 it look like this? > > > > PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND > > 80796 p0 Is+ 0:00.04 zsh > > 14534 r5 I+ 3:48.99 mutt -y > > Put some mmeory load on the host or look at process from other users > and you will see this too. Not with the ps args cache stuff in 4.x and beyond. (assuming the bug is fixed). beast.freebsd.org (running 5.x) works as expected: peter@beast[3:36pm]~-103> mount | grep /proc peter@beast[3:36pm]~-104> ps -ax PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND ... 30 ?? IL 0:02.98 (nfsiod 3) 162 ?? Ss 0:38.91 /usr/sbin/syslogd -s 166 ?? Ss 8:21.62 ntpd -p /var/run/ntpd.pid 168 ?? Is 0:00.09 /usr/sbin/rpcbind 170 ?? Is 1:24.82 ypbind 176 ?? Ss 105:46.87 amd -p -a /.amd_mnt -l syslog /host /etc/amd.map /net 180 ?? Ss 2:27.50 rwhod 185 ?? Ss 1:17.82 /usr/sbin/cron ... Whereas on 4.x: peter@axp0[3:39pm]~-1# umount /proc peter@axp0[3:39pm]~-2# ps -ax -Upeter PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND 338 p0 IWs 0:00.00 (tcsh) 365 p1 IWs 0:00.00 (tcsh) 386 p2 IWs 0:00.00 (tcsh) 43639 p3 Ss 0:00.15 (tcsh) 1243 p4 IWs 0:00.00 (tcsh) peter@axp0[3:39pm]~-3# mount -t procfs /proc /proc peter@axp0[3:39pm]~-4# ps -ax -Upeter PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND 338 p0 IWs 0:00.00 -tcsh (tcsh) 365 p1 IWs 0:00.00 -tcsh (tcsh) 386 p2 IWs 0:00.00 -tcsh (tcsh) 43639 p3 Is 0:00.15 -tcsh (tcsh) 1243 p4 IWs 0:00.00 -tcsh (tcsh) /bin/ps is no longer setgid, so it cannot read /proc/*/mem for other users on alpha. That explains why you see that quirk. /proc/*/mem is associated with lockups from a long while back. We should not depend on it. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jan 31 16: 3:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from m8.boston.juno.com (m8.boston.juno.com [64.136.24.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82F637B404 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:03:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from cookie.juno.com by cookie.juno.com for <"RPj4xL2C9n/i07FNGPO3OqHOAHwoKhY0E5TQ4qWof9vRWEBqMYoo0w=="> Received: (from toivolr@juno.com) by m8.boston.juno.com (jqueuemail) id GSH62J7A; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:02:16 EST To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:01:36 -0800 Subject: Re: freebsd-alpha-digest V5 #262 Message-ID: <20020131.160136.-1678843.0.toivolr@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-629 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: toivolr@juno.com Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe - freebsd-alpha-digest. i've sent same message to majordomo many times. do it, ok.... On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:00:30 -0800 (PST) owner-freebsd-alpha-digest@FreeBSD.ORG (freebsd-alpha-digest) writes: > > freebsd-alpha-digest Wednesday, January 30 2002 Volume 05 : > Number 262 > > > > In this issue: > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > rpc.statd/SIOCGIFCONF revisited > I WANT YOU (FREE) 22358 > ps(1) output Q > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:54:08 -0800 > From: Terry Lambert > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > > David O'Brien wrote: > > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile > > > Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown > > > below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent > > > ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may > > > be broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. > > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using > -current > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 cannot > be > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, but > it may > > be a week. > > I know: add cross compilation for Alpha to your regression > on i386, IA84, x86-64, or sparc64, and that will catcth > things like this in the future, without you needing to have > Alpha hardware, and without you orphaning it as a result of > your changes. > > - -- Terry > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:13:10 +0100 > From: Wilko Bulte > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 06:54:08PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > David O'Brien wrote: > > > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile > > > > Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown > > > > below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent > > > > ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may > > > > be broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. > > > > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using > -current > > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 > cannot be > > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, > but it may > > > be a week. > > > > I know: add cross compilation for Alpha to your regression > > on i386, IA84, x86-64, or sparc64, and that will catcth > > things like this in the future, without you needing to have > > Alpha hardware, and without you orphaning it as a result of > > your changes. > > Not a relevant comment I'm afraid, David has Alpha hardware ;) > He helped me often enough with Alpha issues. > > Wilko > - -- > | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:15:56 +0100 > From: Wilko Bulte > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:10:11AM +0100, Jesper Skriver wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:02:18PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:08:21PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > > > David! > > > > > > > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile > > > > Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown > > > > below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent > > > > ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may > > > > be broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. > > > > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using > -current > > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 > cannot be > > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, > but it may > > > be a week. > > > > If it's a lack of available hardware, perhaps I can help, I have > one > > alpha (a alpha station 220, I think) currently running -stable, > and will > > likely get between one and three more later this week, I could > easily > > make one or two available to the community. > > I think it would not hurt to have a few boxes running -current > accesible via the Net. Most -alpha folk don't run -current as the > Alpha port is very often broken as a 'by product' of x86 > developments. > That makes -current/Alpha often a frustrating place to be. > > And this is one of the main frustrations for David if I am not > mistaken. > > > They would be physically located in Denmark, Europe (traceroute to > > amnesiac.wheel.dk for a idea of network connectivity). > > That is close ;^) > > - -- > | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:20:39 -0800 > From: Peter Wemm > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > > Terry Lambert wrote: > > David O'Brien wrote: > > > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile > > > > Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown > > > > below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent > > > > ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may > > > > be broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. > > > > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using > -current > > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 > cannot be > > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, > but it may > > > be a week. > > > > I know: add cross compilation for Alpha to your regression > > on i386, IA84, x86-64, or sparc64, and that will catcth > > things like this in the future, without you needing to have > > Alpha hardware, and without you orphaning it as a result of > > your changes. > > That's easy to say when signing up somebody else to do the work. > > Seriously though, in spite of pretending otherwise, i386 *is* our > reference > platform, and the "other" platforms require people with the hardware > and > interest to keep it "alive". This is the same with alpha as ia64, > sparc64, > powerpc, mips, x86-64 etc. If there isn't enough critical mass to > keep it > going, then it is dead by definition. Witness the mips port, it > pretty > much never made it to square one. I've done my bit over the last 6 > months > to keep the alpha alive (ported KSE phase 1 to alpha as well as 3 > other > platforms that I knew little to nothing about). > > I dont suppose you actually thought to go and have a look and see > what the > problem is yourself, rather than assigning the work to somebody > else? > > Cheers, > - -Peter > - -- > Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; > peter@netplex.com.au > "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:22:48 -0800 > From: Peter Wemm > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:10:11AM +0100, Jesper Skriver wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:02:18PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:08:21PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov > wrote: > > > > > David! > > > > > > > > > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile > > > > > Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown > > > > > below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent > > > > > ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may > > > > > be broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. > > > > > > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using > -current > > > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 > cannot be > > > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, > but it may > > > > be a week. > > > > > > If it's a lack of available hardware, perhaps I can help, I have > one > > > alpha (a alpha station 220, I think) currently running -stable, > and will > > > likely get between one and three more later this week, I could > easily > > > make one or two available to the community. > > > > I think it would not hurt to have a few boxes running -current > > accesible via the Net. Most -alpha folk don't run -current as the > > Alpha port is very often broken as a 'by product' of x86 > developments. > > That makes -current/Alpha often a frustrating place to be. > > Well, there is (sort of) one box available. With beast.freebsd.org, > committers can do buildworlds etc. There is local disk space, and > MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX is your friend. > > Cheers, > - -Peter > - -- > Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; > peter@netplex.com.au > "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:23:48 -0800 > From: "David O'Brien" > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:10:11AM +0100, Jesper Skriver wrote: > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using > -current > > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 > cannot be > > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, > but it may > > > be a week. > > > > If it's a lack of available hardware, perhaps I can help, > > lack of time > > > I have one alpha (a alpha station 220, I think) currently running > > That box takes *way* too long to build world on. > > - -- > - -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:50:17 +0100 > From: Jesper Skriver > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:23:48AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:10:11AM +0100, Jesper Skriver wrote: > > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using > -current > > > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 > cannot be > > > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, > but it may > > > > be a week. > > > > > > If it's a lack of available hardware, perhaps I can help, > > > > lack of time > > > > > I have one alpha (a alpha station 220, I think) currently > running > > > > That box takes *way* too long to build world on. > > I know, but the other boxes are newer, and probably significant > faster, but I'll know as soon as I get my hands on them. > > /Jesper > > - -- > Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 > Work: Network manager @ AS3292 (Tele Danmark DataNetworks) > Private: FreeBSD committer @ AS2109 (A much smaller network ;-) > > One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, > One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:13:13 -0800 > From: "David O'Brien" > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:20:39AM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > > That's easy to say when signing up somebody else to do the work. > > > > Seriously though, in spite of pretending otherwise, i386 *is* our > reference > > platform, and the "other" platforms require people with the > hardware and > > interest to keep it "alive". > ... > > If there isn't enough critical mass to keep it going, then it is > dead > > by definition. > > This is my current feeling -- that Alpha 5-CURRENT no long has any > critical mass. Thus it isn't worth the time or trouble. > > My interests have moved over to sparc64 and x86-64 where I believe > there > will be a much larger following. It is shame after I've spent > several > thousand $$ on Alpha hardware over the past three years. > > - -- > - -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:32:29 +0100 > From: Wilko Bulte > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 09:13:13AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:20:39AM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > > > That's easy to say when signing up somebody else to do the work. > > > > > > Seriously though, in spite of pretending otherwise, i386 *is* > our reference > > > platform, and the "other" platforms require people with the > hardware and > > > interest to keep it "alive". > > ... > > > If there isn't enough critical mass to keep it going, then it is > dead > > > by definition. > > > > This is my current feeling -- that Alpha 5-CURRENT no long has any > > critical mass. Thus it isn't worth the time or trouble. > > > > My interests have moved over to sparc64 and x86-64 where I believe > there > > For x86-64 I see the point, sparc64 is not something I would want > to spend > any time on (no disrespect to the sparc64 folks, I just don't think > sparc > will have any great momentum). > > > will be a much larger following. It is shame after I've spent > several > > thousand $$ on Alpha hardware over the past three years. > > And Alpha hardware is so much nicer than the x86 crap out there :( > > W/ > - -- > | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte FreeBSD core team secretary > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:29:50 +0100 > From: Bernd Walter > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 07:32:29PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 09:13:13AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:20:39AM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > > > > That's easy to say when signing up somebody else to do the > work. > > > > > > > > Seriously though, in spite of pretending otherwise, i386 *is* > our reference > > > > platform, and the "other" platforms require people with the > hardware and > > > > interest to keep it "alive". > > > ... > > Not to forget knowledge and time. > > > > > If there isn't enough critical mass to keep it going, then it > is dead > > > > by definition. > > > > > > This is my current feeling -- that Alpha 5-CURRENT no long has > any > > > critical mass. Thus it isn't worth the time or trouble. > > I'm would not call it dead only because it's always behind > development. > The latest alpha-current I'm running is nearly a month old - just > because I always want to see a stable i386 before which I havn't > seen > for the last weeks. > Sorry - I can't spend my time on alpha *and* machine independ bugs. > > > > My interests have moved over to sparc64 and x86-64 where I > believe there > > Many alpha bugs and problems are there because of LP64 not because > of > alpha - other LP64 platforms will put LP64 into a much stronger > position and help alpha a lot. > I was always interested in FreeBSD-alpha because of having more than > 4G > memory and more than 4G address space - mostly the later. > None is working - Memory is limited to 2G and increasing MAXDSIZ to > big values is simply broken. > Not ashtonishing that there is no big interest for anyoone to use > FreeBSD-alpha in production - you can have these limits cheaper and > without the bug troubles using Intel hardware. > I always been sorrowed to run an FreeBSD-alpha as a cvsup server. > > > For x86-64 I see the point, sparc64 is not something I would want > to spend > > any time on (no disrespect to the sparc64 folks, I just don't > think sparc > > will have any great momentum). > > > > > will be a much larger following. It is shame after I've spent > several > > > thousand $$ on Alpha hardware over the past three years. > > That's what makes me still beleave in FreeBSD-alpha. > Alpha is the cheapest 64 bit platform available. > Think a moment on what you have paid for your sun labeled symbios. > > > And Alpha hardware is so much nicer than the x86 crap out there :( > > The same goes for sparc64 compared to x86. > And sparc64 has a better future from the hardware perspective. > I can understand why people are looking forward to sparc64. > > - -- > B.Walter COSMO-Project > http://www.cosmo-project.de > ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:46:21 +0100 > From: Volker Stolz > Subject: rpc.statd/SIOCGIFCONF revisited > > - --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > > Here's another try after the previous patch did mor good than harm. > What happens is this: the ioctl fills a buffer with various entries > for interfaces. If it's a sockaddr, everything goes well, that's > 7x8 = 56 bytes. Unluckily, for inet6, you get 28 bytes. > > In your buffer that means something like > - --|--|--|... > 56 28 XX > Now the userland code in e.g. libc/rpc/get_myaddress.c memcpy tried > now to access XX which obviusly isn't at an 8 byte aligned address. > > memcpy() *should* be able to copy this region. *But*: > memcpy() gets optimized by gcc to use floating point registers > (unless you specify -fno-builtin). These instructions can only work > on double word aligned data :-/ Something similar happens when > you use an assignment like foo = *bar. > > If you use -fno-builtin, get_myaddress will crash at > *addr = *((struct sockaddr_in *)&ifrn->ifr_addr); > for a similar reason (the address has to be double word aligned > or the ldq will throw... > > You can find several hints in itojun's and on NetBSD, boling down > to inet6 not being LP64 friendly, and SIOCGIFCONF being especially > nasty. > > The attached patch *should* do the following: copy the requested > number of bytes but advance to the next aligned positioned and > update the sa_len entry only in the structure returned to userland. > Thus, if you just use the sa_len entry without resorting to > sizeof() your application should work fine. > > Comments are definetly appreciated. I cannot claim that I > understand everything of the stuff going on there, so I'd > like to get some thumbs up/down from savvier people. > - -- > Wonderful \hbox (0.80312pt too nice) in paragraph at lines 16--18 > Volker Stolz * stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de > Please use PGP or S/MIME for correspondence! > > - --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="alpha.patch" > > - --- sys/net/if.c.orig Wed Jan 30 21:25:50 2002 > +++ sys/net/if.c Wed Jan 30 21:34:27 2002 > @@ -1318,17 +1318,20 @@ > sizeof (ifr)); > ifrp++; > } else { > - - if (space < sizeof (ifr) + > sa->sa_len - > + if (space < sizeof (ifr) + > _ALIGN(sa->sa_len) - > sizeof(*sa)) > break; > - - space -= sa->sa_len - > sizeof(*sa); > + space -= _ALIGN(sa->sa_len) - > sizeof(*sa); > error = copyout((caddr_t)&ifr, > (caddr_t)ifrp, > sizeof > (ifr.ifr_name)); > if (error == 0) > error = copyout((caddr_t)sa, > (caddr_t)&ifrp->ifr_addr, > sa->sa_len); > - - ifrp = (struct ifreq *) > - - (sa->sa_len + > (caddr_t)&ifrp->ifr_addr); > + /* Update sa_len to aligned value > in output */ > + ifrp->ifr_addr.sa_len = > _ALIGN(sa->sa_len); > + /* Advance ptr, accounting for > spilled padding, too */ > + ifrp = _ALIGN((struct ifreq *) > + (sa->sa_len + > (caddr_t)&ifrp->ifr_addr)); > } > if (error) > break; > > - --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:59:54 -2000 > From: lisa_seemonline2@msn.com > Subject: I WANT YOU (FREE) 22358 > > F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E > F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E > F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E > > > COME FUCK MY JUICY WET HOLE > http://cumageddon.com/?r=first&p=e > > > I WISH THIS BIG DILDO WAS REALLY YOUR HUGE COCK > http://hardcorepleasures.net/?r=second&p=e > > > I'M TIRES OF FINGERING MYSELF. I NEED YOUR HUGE COCK NOW. > http://smoothai.com/?r=third&p=e > > > > > F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E > F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E > F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E > F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:00:15 -0600 > From: Steve Price > Subject: ps(1) output Q > > Here's a really stupid question but something I've wondered for a > long > time. Why is it that the output of ps(1) on the Alpha always looks > like > this? > > PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND > 77337 p0 Ss 0:00.21 (csh) > 78179 p0 R+ 0:00.00 (ps) > > While on the x86 it look like this? > > PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND > 80796 p0 Is+ 0:00.04 zsh > 14534 r5 I+ 3:48.99 mutt -y > > Can anyone point out what I'm obviously missing besides a clue? :) > > Thanks. > > - -steve > > ------------------------------ > > End of freebsd-alpha-digest V5 #262 > *********************************** > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with unsubscribe freebsd-alpha-digest in the body of the message ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jan 31 16:16:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E246A37B400 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:16:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from peter3.wemm.org ([12.232.27.13]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020201001626.IKQK3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@peter3.wemm.org> for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:16:26 +0000 Received: from overcee.wemm.org (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by peter3.wemm.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g110GQs57227 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:16:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB243809; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:16:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Bernd Walter Cc: Steve Price , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ps(1) output Q In-Reply-To: <20020131103128.GA6082@cicely8.cicely.de> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:16:26 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20020201001626.3AB243809@overcee.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bernd Walter wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:00:15PM -0600, Steve Price wrote: > > Here's a really stupid question but something I've wondered for a long > > time. Why is it that the output of ps(1) on the Alpha always looks like > > this? > > > > PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND > > 77337 p0 Ss 0:00.21 (csh) > > 78179 p0 R+ 0:00.00 (ps) > > You can't access the remaining process informations, either by > permission or if the process is swapped. > > > While on the x86 it look like this? > > > > PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND > > 80796 p0 Is+ 0:00.04 zsh > > 14534 r5 I+ 3:48.99 mutt -y > > Put some mmeory load on the host or look at process from other users > and you will see this too. Care to double check this patch? ---------------------------- revision 1.41 date: 2001/11/08 00:23:06; author: peter; state: Exp; lines: +3 -3 kern.ps_arg_max_cache is a long, not an int. I believe this is half of what broke ps on ia64. It probably also broke on alpha, but the fallback method of using lseek/read on /proc/*/mem to read ps_strings seems to work there. It doesn't on ia64 yet. ---------------------------- revision 1.25.2.2 date: 2002/01/31 23:47:10; author: peter; state: Exp; lines: +1 -1 MFC 1.41: kern.ps_arg_max_cache is a long, not an int. This breaks ps(1) without /proc on 4.x on alpha. ---------------------------- RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/lib/libkvm/kvm_proc.c,v retrieving revision 1.25.2.1 retrieving revision 1.25.2.2 diff -u -r1.25.2.1 -r1.25.2.2 --- kvm_proc.c 1 Jul 2000 05:39:52 -0000 1.25.2.1 +++ kvm_proc.c 31 Jan 2002 23:47:10 -0000 1.25.2.2 @@ -670,7 +670,7 @@ int oid[4]; int i; size_t bufsz; - static int buflen; + static unsigned long buflen; static char *buf, *p; static char **bufp; static int argc; It seems to fix it for me, but a double check from somebody else would be handy in case it depends on something else that I've forgotten about. Dont forget to umount /proc while testing. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jan 31 23:19:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gwin-mail.egat.or.th (gwin-mail.egat.or.th [202.44.210.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 076CB37B419 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2002 23:19:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 373 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 14:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO viruswall.egat.or.th) (192.168.1.2) by 192.168.1.1 with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 14:12:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 77792 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2002 14:19:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO gs2.egat.or.th) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Feb 2002 14:19:27 -0000 Received: from sukit ([10.20.138.232]) by gs2.egat.or.th (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g1174D813440 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:04:13 +0700 (GMT+0700) Message-ID: <000001c1aaf0$1433da20$e88a140a@egat.or.th> From: "sukit" To: Subject: I have problem about setup alpha Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 14:12:11 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1AB2A.70D26FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1AB2A.70D26FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-874" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear admin, Do you know how to set up Freebsd on Alpha model = 4000 ? 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1AB2A.70D26FA0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Feb 1 0:19:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F4237B436 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g118J0u06799; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:19:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:19:00 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: sukit Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I have problem about setup alpha Message-ID: <20020201091900.A6769@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <000001c1aaf0$1433da20$e88a140a@egat.or.th> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000001c1aaf0$1433da20$e88a140a@egat.or.th>; from r1sk@egat.or.th on Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 02:12:11PM +0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 02:12:11PM +0700, sukit wrote: Do you mean a AlphaServer 4000 or a DEC4000 (the old Turbochannel model). The first one just works. DEC4000 you can forget. Can you please send SHOW CONF from the SRM console (>>> prompt) Wilko > Dear admin, > Do you know how to set up Freebsd on Alpha model 4000 ? What version does Freebsd? I try on Freebsd new version of alpha can not. Please help me too. ---end of quoted text--- -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Feb 1 1:36:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3D837B400 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:36:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (relay2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.1]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3-2) with ESMTP id g119aBL20523; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:36:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (hyperion.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.33]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3/6) with ESMTP id g119aAu20503; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:36:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (margaux.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.72]) by hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01926; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:34:37 +0100 (MET) Received: (from stolz@localhost) by margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1-gb-2) id KAA14568; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:36:03 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:36:03 +0100 From: Volker Stolz To: Peter Wemm Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ps(1) output Q Message-ID: <20020201103603.A14562@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> References: <20020131103128.GA6082@cicely8.cicely.de> <20020201001626.3AB243809@overcee.wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: <20020201001626.3AB243809@overcee.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In local.freebsd-alpha, you wrote: > Care to double check this patch? > @@ -670,7 +670,7 @@ > int oid[4]; > int i; > size_t bufsz; > - static int buflen; > + static unsigned long buflen; > static char *buf, *p; > static char **bufp; > static int argc; > > It seems to fix it for me, but a double check from somebody else would be > handy in case it depends on something else that I've forgotten about. Looks okay: bash# ./ps PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND 19442 p0 I 0:00.84 _su (csh) 19447 p0 S 0:00.78 bash 19721 p0 R+ 0:00.00 ./ps 144 d0 IWs+ 0:00.00 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600 ttyd0 bash# umount /proc bash# ps PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND 19442 p0 I 0:00.84 (csh) 19447 p0 S 0:00.88 (bash) 19727 p0 R+ 0:00.00 (ps) 144 d0 IWs+ 0:00.00 (getty) bash# ./ps PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND 19442 p0 I 0:00.84 _su (csh) 19447 p0 S 0:00.72 bash 19718 p0 R+ 0:00.03 ./ps 144 d0 IWs+ 0:00.00 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600 ttyd0 -- Wonderful \hbox (0.80312pt too nice) in paragraph at lines 16--18 Volker Stolz * stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Please use PGP or S/MIME for correspondence! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Feb 1 6: 0: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from webacct.nt.cetlink.net (webacct.nt.cetlink.net [216.189.7.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D4837B416 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:59:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Unsubscribe (last request) content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:00:35 -0500 Message-ID: <32EEB28BC317EE4AB4A00685BA7266A369A6AA@webacct.nt.cetlink.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Unsubscribe (last request) Thread-Index: AcGqtAZeKxjUhnJiR62MAdiaKw/6NAAdFOEw From: "Jeffrey Wheat" To: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Unsubscribe freebsd-alpha I to have done this a number of times. Even emailed the list master but = of course no response. Most of the mailing lists I am on send a monthly = reminder of how to unsubscribe what address you are subscribed as. Enough already. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: toivolr@juno.com [mailto:toivolr@juno.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 7:02 PM To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: freebsd-alpha-digest V5 #262 unsubscribe - freebsd-alpha-digest. i've sent same message to majordomo = many times. do it, ok.... On Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:00:30 -0800 (PST) = owner-freebsd-alpha-digest@FreeBSD.ORG (freebsd-alpha-digest) writes: >=20 > freebsd-alpha-digest Wednesday, January 30 2002 Volume 05 :=20 > Number 262 >=20 >=20 >=20 > In this issue: > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles=20 > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles > rpc.statd/SIOCGIFCONF revisited > I WANT YOU (FREE) 22358 > ps(1) output Q >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:54:08 -0800 > From: Terry Lambert > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles >=20 > David O'Brien wrote: > > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile Alpha=20 > > > fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown below. =20 > > > Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent ldscripts/=20 > > > files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may be broken as=20 > > > well, but I can't tell for sure. > >=20 > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using > -current > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 cannot > be > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, but > it may > > be a week. >=20 > I know: add cross compilation for Alpha to your regression > on i386, IA84, x86-64, or sparc64, and that will catcth things like=20 > this in the future, without you needing to have Alpha hardware, and=20 > without you orphaning it as a result of your changes. >=20 > - -- Terry >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:13:10 +0100 > From: Wilko Bulte > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles >=20 > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 06:54:08PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > David O'Brien wrote: > > > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile=20 > > > > Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown=20 > > > > below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent=20 > > > > ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may be=20 > > > > broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. > > >=20 > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using > -current > > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 > cannot be > > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, > but it may > > > be a week. > >=20 > > I know: add cross compilation for Alpha to your regression on i386,=20 > > IA84, x86-64, or sparc64, and that will catcth things like this in=20 > > the future, without you needing to have Alpha hardware, and without=20 > > you orphaning it as a result of your changes. >=20 > Not a relevant comment I'm afraid, David has Alpha hardware ;) He=20 > helped me often enough with Alpha issues. >=20 > Wilko > - -- > | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 07:15:56 +0100 > From: Wilko Bulte > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles >=20 > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:10:11AM +0100, Jesper Skriver wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:02:18PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:08:21PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > > > David! > > > >=20 > > > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile=20 > > > > Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown=20 > > > > below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent=20 > > > > ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may be=20 > > > > broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. > > >=20 > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using > -current > > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 > cannot be > > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, > but it may > > > be a week. > >=20 > > If it's a lack of available hardware, perhaps I can help, I have > one > > alpha (a alpha station 220, I think) currently running -stable, > and will > > likely get between one and three more later this week, I could > easily > > make one or two available to the community. >=20 > I think it would not hurt to have a few boxes running -current > accesible via the Net. Most -alpha folk don't run -current as the > Alpha port is very often broken as a 'by product' of x86=20 > developments. > That makes -current/Alpha often a frustrating place to be. >=20 > And this is one of the main frustrations for David if I am not > mistaken. >=20 > > They would be physically located in Denmark, Europe (traceroute to=20 > > amnesiac.wheel.dk for a idea of network connectivity). >=20 > That is close ;^) >=20 > - -- > | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:20:39 -0800 > From: Peter Wemm > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles >=20 > Terry Lambert wrote: > > David O'Brien wrote: > > > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile=20 > > > > Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown=20 > > > > below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent=20 > > > > ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may be=20 > > > > broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. > > >=20 > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using > -current > > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 > cannot be > > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, > but it may > > > be a week. > >=20 > > I know: add cross compilation for Alpha to your regression on i386,=20 > > IA84, x86-64, or sparc64, and that will catcth things like this in=20 > > the future, without you needing to have Alpha hardware, and without=20 > > you orphaning it as a result of your changes. >=20 > That's easy to say when signing up somebody else to do the work. >=20 > Seriously though, in spite of pretending otherwise, i386 *is* our > reference > platform, and the "other" platforms require people with the hardware=20 > and > interest to keep it "alive". This is the same with alpha as ia64,=20 > sparc64, > powerpc, mips, x86-64 etc. If there isn't enough critical mass to=20 > keep it > going, then it is dead by definition. Witness the mips port, it=20 > pretty > much never made it to square one. I've done my bit over the last 6=20 > months > to keep the alpha alive (ported KSE phase 1 to alpha as well as 3=20 > other > platforms that I knew little to nothing about). >=20 > I dont suppose you actually thought to go and have a look and see > what the > problem is yourself, rather than assigning the work to somebody=20 > else? >=20 > Cheers, > - -Peter > - -- > Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; > peter@netplex.com.au > "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:22:48 -0800 > From: Peter Wemm > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles >=20 > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:10:11AM +0100, Jesper Skriver wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:02:18PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:08:21PM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov > wrote: > > > > > David! > > > > >=20 > > > > > After the latest binutils import, attempts to cross-compile=20 > > > > > Alpha fail at the cross-tools stage of buildworld as shown=20 > > > > > below. Please also note sed(1) complaints about nonexistent=20 > > > > > ldscripts/ files. I suspect that "normal" alpha worlds may be = > > > > > broken as well, but I can't tell for sure. > > > >=20 > > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using > -current > > > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 > cannot be > > > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, > but it may > > > > be a week. > > >=20 > > > If it's a lack of available hardware, perhaps I can help, I have > one > > > alpha (a alpha station 220, I think) currently running -stable, > and will > > > likely get between one and three more later this week, I could > easily > > > make one or two available to the community. > >=20 > > I think it would not hurt to have a few boxes running -current > > accesible via the Net. Most -alpha folk don't run -current as the > > Alpha port is very often broken as a 'by product' of x86=20 > developments. > > That makes -current/Alpha often a frustrating place to be. >=20 > Well, there is (sort of) one box available. With beast.freebsd.org,=20 > committers can do buildworlds etc. There is local disk space, and=20 > MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX is your friend. >=20 > Cheers, > - -Peter > - -- > Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; > peter@netplex.com.au > "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 08:23:48 -0800 > From: "David O'Brien" > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles >=20 > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:10:11AM +0100, Jesper Skriver wrote: > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using > -current > > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 > cannot be > > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, > but it may > > > be a week. > >=20 > > If it's a lack of available hardware, perhaps I can help, >=20 > lack of time >=20 > > I have one alpha (a alpha station 220, I think) currently running >=20 > That box takes *way* too long to build world on. >=20 > - -- > - -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:50:17 +0100 > From: Jesper Skriver > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles >=20 > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:23:48AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:10:11AM +0100, Jesper Skriver wrote: > > > > I am sure it probably is. There is a lack of developers using > -current > > > > on Alpha's that progress on i386, IA64, x86-64, and sparc64 > cannot be > > > > held back. I will fix the Alpha problems when I get a chance, > but it may > > > > be a week. > > >=20 > > > If it's a lack of available hardware, perhaps I can help, > >=20 > > lack of time > >=20 > > > I have one alpha (a alpha station 220, I think) currently > running > >=20 > > That box takes *way* too long to build world on. >=20 > I know, but the other boxes are newer, and probably significant=20 > faster, but I'll know as soon as I get my hands on them. >=20 > /Jesper >=20 > - -- > Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 > Work: Network manager @ AS3292 (Tele Danmark DataNetworks) > Private: FreeBSD committer @ AS2109 (A much smaller network ;-) >=20 > One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, > One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:13:13 -0800 > From: "David O'Brien" > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles >=20 > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:20:39AM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > > That's easy to say when signing up somebody else to do the work. > >=20 > > Seriously though, in spite of pretending otherwise, i386 *is* our > reference > > platform, and the "other" platforms require people with the > hardware and > > interest to keep it "alive". > ... > > If there isn't enough critical mass to keep it going, then it is > dead > > by definition. >=20 > This is my current feeling -- that Alpha 5-CURRENT no long has any=20 > critical mass. Thus it isn't worth the time or trouble. >=20 > My interests have moved over to sparc64 and x86-64 where I believe > there > will be a much larger following. It is shame after I've spent=20 > several > thousand $$ on Alpha hardware over the past three years. >=20 > - -- > - -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:32:29 +0100 > From: Wilko Bulte > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles >=20 > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 09:13:13AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:20:39AM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > > > That's easy to say when signing up somebody else to do the work. > > >=20 > > > Seriously though, in spite of pretending otherwise, i386 *is* > our reference > > > platform, and the "other" platforms require people with the > hardware and > > > interest to keep it "alive". > > ... > > > If there isn't enough critical mass to keep it going, then it is > dead > > > by definition. > >=20 > > This is my current feeling -- that Alpha 5-CURRENT no long has any=20 > > critical mass. Thus it isn't worth the time or trouble. > >=20 > > My interests have moved over to sparc64 and x86-64 where I believe > there >=20 > For x86-64 I see the point, sparc64 is not something I would want > to spend > any time on (no disrespect to the sparc64 folks, I just don't think=20 > sparc > will have any great momentum). >=20 > > will be a much larger following. It is shame after I've spent > several > > thousand $$ on Alpha hardware over the past three years. >=20 > And Alpha hardware is so much nicer than the x86 crap out there :( >=20 > W/ > - -- > | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte FreeBSD core team secretary >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:29:50 +0100 > From: Bernd Walter > Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles >=20 > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 07:32:29PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 09:13:13AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 08:20:39AM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > > > > That's easy to say when signing up somebody else to do the > work. > > > >=20 > > > > Seriously though, in spite of pretending otherwise, i386 *is* > our reference > > > > platform, and the "other" platforms require people with the > hardware and > > > > interest to keep it "alive". > > > ... >=20 > Not to forget knowledge and time. >=20 > > > > If there isn't enough critical mass to keep it going, then it > is dead > > > > by definition. > > >=20 > > > This is my current feeling -- that Alpha 5-CURRENT no long has > any > > > critical mass. Thus it isn't worth the time or trouble. >=20 > I'm would not call it dead only because it's always behind > development. > The latest alpha-current I'm running is nearly a month old - just > because I always want to see a stable i386 before which I havn't=20 > seen > for the last weeks. > Sorry - I can't spend my time on alpha *and* machine independ bugs. >=20 > > > My interests have moved over to sparc64 and x86-64 where I > believe there >=20 > Many alpha bugs and problems are there because of LP64 not because > of > alpha - other LP64 platforms will put LP64 into a much stronger > position and help alpha a lot. > I was always interested in FreeBSD-alpha because of having more than=20 > 4G > memory and more than 4G address space - mostly the later. > None is working - Memory is limited to 2G and increasing MAXDSIZ to > big values is simply broken. > Not ashtonishing that there is no big interest for anyoone to use > FreeBSD-alpha in production - you can have these limits cheaper and > without the bug troubles using Intel hardware. > I always been sorrowed to run an FreeBSD-alpha as a cvsup server. >=20 > > For x86-64 I see the point, sparc64 is not something I would want > to spend > > any time on (no disrespect to the sparc64 folks, I just don't > think sparc > > will have any great momentum). > >=20 > > > will be a much larger following. It is shame after I've spent > several > > > thousand $$ on Alpha hardware over the past three years. >=20 > That's what makes me still beleave in FreeBSD-alpha. > Alpha is the cheapest 64 bit platform available. > Think a moment on what you have paid for your sun labeled symbios. >=20 > > And Alpha hardware is so much nicer than the x86 crap out there :( >=20 > The same goes for sparc64 compared to x86. > And sparc64 has a better future from the hardware perspective. I can=20 > understand why people are looking forward to sparc64. >=20 > - --=20 > B.Walter COSMO-Project =20 > http://www.cosmo-project.de > ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:46:21 +0100 > From: Volker Stolz > Subject: rpc.statd/SIOCGIFCONF revisited >=20 > - --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline >=20 > Here's another try after the previous patch did mor good than harm.=20 > What happens is this: the ioctl fills a buffer with various entries=20 > for interfaces. If it's a sockaddr, everything goes well, that's 7x8 = =3D=20 > 56 bytes. Unluckily, for inet6, you get 28 bytes. >=20 > In your buffer that means something like > - --|--|--|... > 56 28 XX > Now the userland code in e.g. libc/rpc/get_myaddress.c memcpy tried=20 > now to access XX which obviusly isn't at an 8 byte aligned address. >=20 > memcpy() *should* be able to copy this region. *But*: > memcpy() gets optimized by gcc to use floating point registers (unless = > you specify -fno-builtin). These instructions can only work on double=20 > word aligned data :-/ Something similar happens when you use an=20 > assignment like foo =3D *bar. >=20 > If you use -fno-builtin, get_myaddress will crash at > *addr =3D *((struct sockaddr_in *)&ifrn->ifr_addr); > for a similar reason (the address has to be double word aligned or the = > ldq will throw... >=20 > You can find several hints in itojun's and on NetBSD, boling down to=20 > inet6 not being LP64 friendly, and SIOCGIFCONF being especially nasty. >=20 > The attached patch *should* do the following: copy the requested=20 > number of bytes but advance to the next aligned positioned and update=20 > the sa_len entry only in the structure returned to userland. Thus, if=20 > you just use the sa_len entry without resorting to > sizeof() your application should work fine. >=20 > Comments are definetly appreciated. I cannot claim that I > understand everything of the stuff going on there, so I'd > like to get some thumbs up/down from savvier people. > - --=20 > Wonderful \hbox (0.80312pt too nice) in paragraph at lines 16--18 > Volker Stolz * stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de > Please use PGP or S/MIME for correspondence! >=20 > - --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=3D"alpha.patch" >=20 > - --- sys/net/if.c.orig Wed Jan 30 21:25:50 2002 > +++ sys/net/if.c Wed Jan 30 21:34:27 2002 > @@ -1318,17 +1318,20 @@ > sizeof (ifr)); > ifrp++; > } else { > - - if (space < sizeof (ifr) +=20 > sa->sa_len - > + if (space < sizeof (ifr) + > _ALIGN(sa->sa_len) - > sizeof(*sa)) > break; > - - space -=3D sa->sa_len -=20 > sizeof(*sa); > + space -=3D _ALIGN(sa->sa_len) - > sizeof(*sa); > error =3D copyout((caddr_t)&ifr, > (caddr_t)ifrp, > sizeof=20 > (ifr.ifr_name)); > if (error =3D=3D 0) > error =3D copyout((caddr_t)sa, > (caddr_t)&ifrp->ifr_addr,=20 > sa->sa_len); > - - ifrp =3D (struct ifreq *) > - - (sa->sa_len +=20 > (caddr_t)&ifrp->ifr_addr); > + /* Update sa_len to aligned value > in output */ > + ifrp->ifr_addr.sa_len =3D > _ALIGN(sa->sa_len); > + /* Advance ptr, accounting for > spilled padding, too */ > + ifrp =3D _ALIGN((struct ifreq *) > + (sa->sa_len + > (caddr_t)&ifrp->ifr_addr)); > } > if (error) > break; >=20 > - --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1-- >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:59:54 -2000 > From: lisa_seemonline2@msn.com > Subject: I WANT YOU (FREE) 22358 >=20 > F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E > F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E > F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E >=20 >=20 > COME FUCK MY JUICY WET HOLE http://cumageddon.com/?r=3Dfirst&p=3De >=20 >=20 > I WISH THIS BIG DILDO WAS REALLY YOUR HUGE COCK=20 > http://hardcorepleasures.net/?r=3Dsecond&p=3De >=20 >=20 > I'M TIRES OF FINGERING MYSELF. I NEED YOUR HUGE COCK NOW.=20 > http://smoothai.com/?r=3Dthird&p=3De >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E > F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E > F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E > F R E E F R E E F R E E F R E E >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:00:15 -0600 > From: Steve Price > Subject: ps(1) output Q >=20 > Here's a really stupid question but something I've wondered for a > long > time. Why is it that the output of ps(1) on the Alpha always looks=20 > like > this? >=20 > PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND > 77337 p0 Ss 0:00.21 (csh) > 78179 p0 R+ 0:00.00 (ps) >=20 > While on the x86 it look like this? >=20 > PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND > 80796 p0 Is+ 0:00.04 zsh > 14534 r5 I+ 3:48.99 mutt -y >=20 > Can anyone point out what I'm obviously missing besides a clue? :) >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > - -steve >=20 > ------------------------------ >=20 > End of freebsd-alpha-digest V5 #262 > *********************************** >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with unsubscribe freebsd-alpha-digest in the body of the message ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: = http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. 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Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 1/30/2002 =20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Feb 1 16:40: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBF337B400; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a093.otenet.gr [212.205.215.93]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g120duLA003003; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 02:39:58 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g120dtB00628; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 02:39:55 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 02:39:53 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Terry Lambert Cc: current@freebsd.org, alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles Message-ID: <20020202003952.GA417@hades.hell.gr> References: <20020130162039.D14D63A9A@overcee.wemm.org> <3C58F0B5.6EF0B8DE@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C58F0B5.6EF0B8DE@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-01-30 23:22, Terry Lambert wrote: > Peter Wemm wrote: > > I dont suppose you actually thought to go and have a look and see what the > > problem is yourself, rather than assigning the work to somebody else? > > Nope, sorry. > > I hear the latest binutils break Alpha cross compilation. My > fix is to back out the changes locally, and not use them. > > Basically, instead of fixing the brokeness, I chose to not > break the fixedness. This still *is* -CURRENT, right? If it doesn't break, once in a while, how will new things be tested by the -CURRENT userbase? Instead of whining about "you broke it, and haven't fixed it" it would be a far better thing to contribute patches that fix the brokenness. - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Feb 1 17:25:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC2437B421; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:25:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0542.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.44.32] helo=mindspring.com) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16WovP-0002Sm-00; Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:25:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3C5B3FE6.825C8FFF@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:24:54 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: current@freebsd.org, alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles References: <20020130162039.D14D63A9A@overcee.wemm.org> <3C58F0B5.6EF0B8DE@mindspring.com> <20020202003952.GA417@hades.hell.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > This still *is* -CURRENT, right? If it doesn't break, once in a > while, how will new things be tested by the -CURRENT userbase? A "make world" before commit? Is this a trick question? > Instead of whining about "you broke it, and haven't fixed it" it would > be a far better thing to contribute patches that fix the brokenness. If you insist, I can contribute patches that will back out the binutils changes. I think this is already in the process of being handled, though; you seem to be catching up on some very old email. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Feb 1 23:11: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.JP [133.9.152.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBB037B425 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:10:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (fujimori@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (8.11.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id g127AmD24753 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:10:48 +0900 Message-Id: <200202020710.g127AmD24753@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: 4.5R on up1100 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 16:10:48 +0000 From: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I installed 4.5R on an up1100 based box. (1) The kernel.GENERIC cannot do hot-reboot. (2) Kernels without USB supports seem to be able to reboot properly when % shutdown -r now is invoked. (This applies to 4.4R, too.) `make world' passed flawlessly in an hour or so. Yoriaki Fujimori To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Feb 2 9:15:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E2637B405; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:15:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g12H8np60716; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:08:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:07:27 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Terry Lambert Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , current@freebsd.org, alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles Message-ID: <20020202090727.A60619@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20020130162039.D14D63A9A@overcee.wemm.org> <3C58F0B5.6EF0B8DE@mindspring.com> <20020202003952.GA417@hades.hell.gr> <3C5B3FE6.825C8FFF@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C5B3FE6.825C8FFF@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 05:24:54PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 05:24:54PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > This still *is* -CURRENT, right? If it doesn't break, once in a > > while, how will new things be tested by the -CURRENT userbase? > > A "make world" before commit? Is this a trick question? Please see the 2001 freebsd-alpha archives were it was stated that non-working on the Alpha would not longer be something that could hold back toolchain upgrades. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Feb 2 10: 0:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB9C37B419; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:00:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g12I0lL18041; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:00:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:00:47 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Terry Lambert , Giorgos Keramidas , current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Latest binutils import breaks Alpha cross compiles Message-ID: <20020202190047.B18009@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020130162039.D14D63A9A@overcee.wemm.org> <3C58F0B5.6EF0B8DE@mindspring.com> <20020202003952.GA417@hades.hell.gr> <3C5B3FE6.825C8FFF@mindspring.com> <20020202090727.A60619@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020202090727.A60619@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:07:27AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 09:07:27AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 05:24:54PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > > This still *is* -CURRENT, right? If it doesn't break, once in a > > > while, how will new things be tested by the -CURRENT userbase? > > > > A "make world" before commit? Is this a trick question? > > Please see the 2001 freebsd-alpha archives were it was stated that > non-working on the Alpha would not longer be something that could hold > back toolchain upgrades. Yes, I remember. But I have to admit I would be interested to know when the toolchain for Alpha on -current will be able to buildworld again. Yesterday I put an extra disk in my DS10 to put -current on. Building a -current is 'currently' (sic.. ;-) not possible at all. Wilko -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Feb 2 17:24:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from out018.verizon.net (out018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F01337B400 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from computer1 ([208.253.107.83]) by out018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with SMTP id <20020203012449.LMDK25425.out018.verizon.net@computer1> for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:24:49 -0600 Message-ID: <000b01c1ac52$335615e0$536bfdd0@computer1> From: "Patrick M. 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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1AC28.4A308E50-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Feb 2 17:35:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB42237B405 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:35:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with UUCP id g131ZA459956; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 02:35:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20.cicely.de [10.1.1.22]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g131YdZ9059744; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 02:34:39 +0100 (CET)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.2.10]) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g131Ycf16790; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 02:34:39 +0100 (CET) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g131Yc417606; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 02:34:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 02:34:38 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: "Patrick M. Noland" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha Install Message-ID: <20020203013437.GH8883@cicely8.cicely.de> References: <000b01c1ac52$335615e0$536bfdd0@computer1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000b01c1ac52$335615e0$536bfdd0@computer1> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely8.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 08:29:18PM -0500, Patrick M. Noland wrote: > I need some help on what srm to use to install BSD on a 164sx motherboard using Alphabios 5.66 with a windows nt box. Thanks ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/v6.1/alphapc164sx get and read fwreadme.txt first. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message