From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 13 6:48:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0295737B401; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 06:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A80143E4A; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 06:48:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g9DDkYn42211; Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:46:34 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:46:34 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: "David O'Brien" , Alexander Kabaev Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: alpha can't cross-compile i386 Message-ID: <20021013134634.GB35585@sunbay.com> References: <20020801124807.A11058@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020801120738.GA26622@sunbay.com> <20020801195936.A12267@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020802165525.GA80884@sunbay.com> <20020802205245.A16184@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020805184000.GA53697@sunbay.com> <20020806161928.A9273@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020807091602.GA52251@sunbay.com> <20020807105144.GA68121@sunbay.com> <20020807150411.GA36526@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020807150411.GA36526@sunbay.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The situation did not change during the last two months, even with the latest GCC imports. beast.FreeBSD.org still blows up attempting to build world and kernel for i386: : -------------------------------------------------------------- : >>> stage 4: building everything.. : -------------------------------------------------------------- : cd /j/ru/src-5; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=3D/j/ru/obj/i386 MACHINE_ARCH=3Di386 M= ACHINE=3Di386 CPUTYPE=3D GROFF_BIN_PATH=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha= /usr/bin GROFF_FONT_PATH=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha/usr/share/groff= _font GROFF_TMAC_PATH=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha/usr/share/tmac DE= STDIR=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha INSTALL=3D"sh /j/ru/src-5/tools/in= stall.sh" PATH=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha/usr/sbin:/j/ru/obj/i386/j= /ru/src-5/alpha/usr/bin:/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha/usr/games:/sbin:/bi= n:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin make -f Makefile.inc1 all [...] : =3D=3D=3D> usr.bin/getconf : cc -O -pipe -mcpu=3Dpentiumpro -I/j/ru/src-5/usr.bin/getconf -c limits= .c : {standard input}: Assembler messages: : {standard input}:334: Error: bignum invalid : *** Error code 1 :=20 : Stop in /j/ru/src-5/usr.bin/getconf. : *** Error code 1 The difference between the native i386 assembler output and the output from the i386 cross-compiler for the limits.c is as follows: --- limits.s (alpha->i386) Sun Oct 13 15:57:20 2002 +++ limits.s (i386 native) Sun Oct 13 16:02:15 2002 @@ -331,10 +331,10 @@ .quad -2147483648 .long 1 .long .LC55 - .quad -9223372036854775808 + .quad 0x8000000000000000 .long 1 .long .LC56 - .quad 9223372036854775807 + .quad 0x7fffffffffffffff .long 1 .long .LC57 .quad 0 @@ -367,13 +367,13 @@ .quad 255 .long 1 .long .LC67 - .quad 4294967295 + .quad 0xffffffff .long 1 .long .LC68 .quad -1 .long 1 .long .LC69 - .quad 4294967295 + .quad 0xffffffff .long 1 .long .LC70 .quad 65535 : -------------------------------------------------------------- : >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Sun Oct 13 05:25:16 PDT 2002 : -------------------------------------------------------------- : =3D=3D=3D> GENERIC [...] : cd /j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/sys/GENERIC; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=3D/j/ru/obj/i= 386 MACHINE_ARCH=3Di386 MACHINE=3Di386 CPUTYPE=3D GROFF_BIN_PATH=3D/j/r= u/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha/usr/bin GROFF_FONT_PATH=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/= src-5/alpha/usr/share/groff_font GROFF_TMAC_PATH=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src= -5/alpha/usr/share/tmac DESTDIR=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha INSTALL= =3D"sh /j/ru/src-5/tools/install.sh" PATH=3D/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alph= a/usr/sbin:/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/alpha/usr/bin:/j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-= 5/alpha/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin make KERNEL=3Dkernel all [...] : cc -c -O -pipe -mcpu=3Dpentiumpro -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-extern= s -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast= -qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -g -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/j/ru/src-5/sys -I= /j/ru/src-5/sys/dev -I/j/ru/src-5/sys/contrib/dev/acpica -I/j/ru/src-5/sys/= contrib/ipfilter -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -fno-common -mno-align-lo= ng-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=3D2 -ffreestanding -Werror /j/ru/src= -5/sys/dev/advansys/adw_pci.c : {standard input}: Assembler messages: : {standard input}:22: Error: bignum invalid : {standard input}:28: Error: bignum invalid : *** Error code 1 :=20 : Stop in /j/ru/obj/i386/j/ru/src-5/sys/GENERIC. : *** Error code 1 On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 06:04:11PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 01:51:44PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 12:16:02PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > [...] > > > Wilko, > > >=20 > > > I am unable to cross-build i386 on alpha due to this bug in gcc. > > > Native compiler has no problem building the generated cgram.c, > > > and I have verified that native and cross compilers produce the > > > same cgram.c output. Perhaps, David could shed some light on > > > this, and even probably fix it: > > >=20 > > > %%% > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>> stage 4: building everything.. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=3D/usr/obj/i386 MACHINE_ARCH=3Di386 M= ACHINE=3Di386 CPUTYPE=3D OBJFORMAT_PATH=3D/usr/obj/i386/usr/src/alpha/usr= /libexec GROFF_BIN_PATH=3D/usr/obj/i386/usr/src/alpha/usr/bin GROFF_FONT_= PATH=3D/usr/obj/i386/usr/src/alpha/usr/share/groff_font GROFF_TMAC_PATH=3D= /usr/obj/i386/usr/src/alpha/usr/share/tmac DESTDIR=3D/usr/obj/i386/usr/src= /alpha INSTALL=3D"sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh" PATH=3D/usr/obj/i386/usr/= src/alpha/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/i386/usr/src/alpha/usr/bin:/usr/obj/i386/usr/sr= c/alpha/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin make -f Makefile.inc1 all > > > =3D=3D=3D> share/info > > > [...] > > > =3D=3D=3D> usr.bin/xlint/lint1 > > > cc -O -pipe -mcpu=3Dpentiumpro -I. -I/usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1 -I/= usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1/../arch/i386 -I/usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1/../= common -c cgram.c > > > cc -O -pipe -mcpu=3Dpentiumpro -I. -I/usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1 -I/= usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1/../arch/i386 -I/usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1/../= common -c scan.c > > > gzip -cn lint.7 > lint.7.gz > > > groff -Tascii -mtty-char -man -t lint.7 | gzip -cn > lint.7.cat.gz > > > /usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1/cgram.y: In function `toicon': > > > /usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1/cgram.y:1711: unrecognizable insn: > > > (insn 247 219 248 (set (reg:CC 17 flags) > > > (compare:CC (subreg:SI (reg/v:DI 75) 0) > > > (const_int 2147483648 [0x80000000]))) -1 (nil) > > > (expr_list:REG_DEAD (reg/v:DI 75) > > > (nil))) > > > /usr/src/usr.bin/xlint/lint1/cgram.y:1711: Internal compiler error in= extract_insn, at recog.c:2150 > > > Please submit a full bug report, > > > with preprocessed source if appropriate. > > > See for instructions. > > > *** Error code 1 > > > 1 error > > > %%% > > >=20 > > > Meanwhile, I will temporary remove usr.bin/xlint from the build, and > > > resume the i386 release building on ds10. > > >=20 > > While attempting to cross-compile kernel, it bombs out with, attempting > > to build `random' module like this: > >=20 > > =3D=3D=3D> random > > cc -O -pipe -mcpu=3Dpentiumpro -I/usr/src/sys/modules/random/../.. -D_= KERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmiss= ing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wno-format -ansi -DKL= D_MODULE -nostdinc -I- -I/usr/src/sys/modules/random/../.. -I. -I@ -I@/dev= -I@/../include -fno-common -g -mpreferred-stack-boundary=3D2 -ffreestandin= g -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-p= rototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wno-format -ansi -c /usr/s= rc/sys/crypto/sha2/sha2.c > > {standard input}: Assembler messages: > > {standard input}:97: Error: bignum invalid > > {standard input}:98: Error: bignum invalid > > {standard input}:101: Error: bignum invalid > >=20 > > Excluding it as well... :( > >=20 > I see the same symptoms on beast.FreeBSD.org running fresh 5.0-CURRENT, > so the problem is not unique to your DS10 host. >=20 > Excluding "random" module did not help; buildkernel died similarly > later: >=20 > : cc -c -O -pipe -mcpu=3Dpentiumpro -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-exte= rns -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wca= st-qual -Wno-format -ansi -g -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/= sys/dev -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter -= I/usr/src/sys/../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -fno-common -mpr= eferred-stack-boundary=3D2 -ffreestanding -Werror /usr/src/sys/dev/advansy= s/adw_pci.c > : {standard input}: Assembler messages: > : {standard input}:24: Error: bignum invalid > : {standard input}:30: Error: bignum invalid > : *** Error code 1 > : Stop in /usr/obj/i386/usr/src/sys/GENERIC. > : *** Error code 1 >=20 > David, can you please look into this? --=20 Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9qXk6Ukv4P6juNwoRAtUNAJ0RuSHLdIncXPOqzukMWzBUe1PU9wCfQ93y OtpHYA8GNSds6Nl4yfdc6+c= =BKvg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 14 20:12:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B18237B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (osh202-181.broadacre.com [66.54.202.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C5343EA3 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:12:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (localhost.scoundrelz.net [127.0.0.1]) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9F3CZLL034418 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:12:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from localhost (hemi@localhost) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g9F3CYq8034415 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:12:35 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: view.scoundrelz.net: hemi owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:12:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Josh Tolbert To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: PC164 SRM firmware problem Message-ID: <20021014215719.C34046-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I obtained a PC164 motherboard, a 500MHz 21164 Alpha, 128M RAM and various other bits (including a dead CPU fan; I just re-pinned an Intel heatsink fan to work on the DEC motherboard) to use as a FreeBSD machine. Unfortunately, I'm not able to get FreeBSD installed because I'm having problems with the SRM firmware update. I know this is semi-off-topic for this list, but I've looked around and can't find a description of a similar problem anywhere. Hopefully someone on the list can point me in the right direction. When I received the board, it had ARC firmware in the ROM. Since that won't do for FreeBSD, I downloaded the SRM firmware and followed the documented procedure to flash the SRM firmware (put fwupdate.exe and pc164srm.rom on a floppy, update firmware from the ARC console and just follow the prompts). After rebooting, I get the standard blue screen with a black border, a blinking white cursor and nothing else. I don't see the customary SRM ">>>" prompt or a prompt of any sort. I've tried pressing enter (and other keys) as suggested, to no avail. The flash is "successful," according to fwupdate.exe. The nine blocks are counted and verified. I then re-downloaded and flashed the ROM using the fail-safe boot method (jumper C7) with the same result. I verified that the ROM writeable jumper was set to allow ROM writing. I've checked and re-checked everything I can think of (new floppy, new downloads, new jumper settings). I'm not sure if the SRM firmware defaults to com1, so I'm trying to get a serial console to work with the fail-safe booter just to test that I've got a working serial setup. Once the serial connection is verified, I'm going to try rebooting normally (no fail-safe boot) and see what happens. Is there anything else I can do? I've been fighting with this thing for a while. I've searched the web, posted at general-purpose hardware forums, searched some more, asked some of the Unix guys at work (none of which know anything about Alphas) and searched again. I'm not exactly new to dealing with hardware, but this thing has me at my wit's end. Once again, sorry for posting somewhat off-topic to the list. If anyone can help me or point me in the right direction I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Josh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 14 20:48:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8EE37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgr5.xmission.com (mgr5.xmission.com [198.60.22.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC79C43EB1 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:48:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from mail by mgr5.xmission.com with spam-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1) id 181IfF-00026N-05 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:46:38 -0600 Received: from [207.135.128.145] (helo=misty.eyesbeyond.com) by mgr5.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 181IeA-0001f1-05; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:45:31 -0600 Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9F3jPC97773; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:15:25 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:15:25 +0930 From: Greg Lewis To: Josh Tolbert Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC164 SRM firmware problem Message-ID: <20021015131525.A97731@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <20021014215719.C34046-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021014215719.C34046-100000@view.scoundrelz.net>; from hemi@scoundrelz.net on Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 10:12:34PM -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.5 required=8.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MUTT,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 10:12:34PM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > I obtained a PC164 motherboard, a 500MHz 21164 Alpha, 128M RAM and > various other bits (including a dead CPU fan; I just re-pinned an Intel > heatsink fan to work on the DEC motherboard) to use as a FreeBSD machine. > Unfortunately, I'm not able to get FreeBSD installed because I'm having > problems with the SRM firmware update. I know this is semi-off-topic for > this list, but I've looked around and can't find a description of a > similar problem anywhere. Hopefully someone on the list can point me in > the right direction. > When I received the board, it had ARC firmware in the ROM. Since > that won't do for FreeBSD, I downloaded the SRM firmware and followed the > documented procedure to flash the SRM firmware (put fwupdate.exe and > pc164srm.rom on a floppy, update firmware from the ARC console and just > follow the prompts). After rebooting, I get the standard blue screen with > a black border, a blinking white cursor and nothing else. I don't see the > customary SRM ">>>" prompt or a prompt of any sort. I've tried pressing > enter (and other keys) as suggested, to no avail. I've had a really similar problem with a PC164 LX. I haven't even gotten as far as you have yet unfortunately :(. Do get the serial console set up, it can be helpful if SRM has been set up to talk to it :). One of the two boxes I was looking at definitely had SRM set up to go to the first serial port. The other is still stuck in ARC as we speak, but I have a few more things to try before I completely give up :). The only other thing I can recommend is that a number of people have found that there are problems going directly to the latest version of the firmware. If you have an older version of SRM then give that a try. -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 14 20:55:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6544937B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail2.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5C943EB1 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 20:55:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from sydsmtp01.alcatel.com.au (IDENT:root@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alcanet.com.au (8.12.4/8.12.4/Alcanet1.3) with ESMTP id g9F3toUf004331; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:55:50 +1000 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au ([139.188.20.247]) by sydsmtp01.alcatel.com.au (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.11) with ESMTP id 2002101513554784:44806 ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:55:47 +1000 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9F3tleT028536; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:55:47 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9F3tlcR028535; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:55:47 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:55:47 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Josh Tolbert Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC164 SRM firmware problem Message-ID: <20021015035547.GU315@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Josh Tolbert , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20021014215719.C34046-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021014215719.C34046-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on SYDSMTP01/AlcatelAustralia(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 15/10/2002 01:55:47 PM, Serialize by Router on SYDSMTP01/AlcatelAustralia(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 15/10/2002 01:55:50 PM, Serialize complete at 15/10/2002 01:55:50 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-Oct-14 22:12:34 -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > I obtained a PC164 motherboard, a 500MHz 21164 Alpha, 128M RAM and >various other bits (including a dead CPU fan; I just re-pinned an Intel >heatsink fan to work on the DEC motherboard) to use as a FreeBSD machine. Are you sure the CPU is OK? If it had been left running with a dead CPU fan then it's possible you've got a sick CPU. > The flash is "successful," according to fwupdate.exe. The nine >blocks are counted and verified. Nine blocks sounds much shorter than I'd expect but I don't know the PC164. > I'm not sure if the SRM firmware defaults to com1, For most (all?) Alphas, the low-level boot output is serial only. The video card starts later and both run in parallel up to the SRM prompt (or autoboot point). The behaviour then depends on the 'console' variable and sensed presence of a keyboard. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 14 22:14:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E53D37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from csmail.cscoms.com (mail.cscoms.net [202.183.255.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7053E43EB1 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:14:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alain@cscoms.net) Received: from cscoms.net (alain [202.183.160.250]) by csmail.cscoms.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9F5EEZQ005285; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:14:15 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from alain@localhost) by cscoms.net (8.11.4/8.9.3) id g9F5EBw08416; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:14:11 +0700 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:14:11 +0700 From: Alain Fauconnet To: snort-users@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Prachid Tiyapanjanit , Kunos.Peter@PSZAF.hu, erek@theadamsfamily.net, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Snort-users] Segfault on Alpha 1.9.0 Message-ID: <20021015121411.J5886@cscoms.net> References: <20021015102920.F5886@cscoms.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="z6Eq5LdranGa6ru8" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021015102920.F5886@cscoms.net>; from alain@cscoms.net on Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 10:29:21AM +0700 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --z6Eq5LdranGa6ru8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Following up to my own message about: - SIGSEGV in Snort 1.9.0 on FreeBSD-alpha - lots of "unaligned access" messages [...] > It looks like the argument passed to PreprocUrlDecode is wrong. It should > be a valid (Packet *), which 0x1 can't be. > > (gdb) p p > $3 = (Packet *) 0x1 > Well, it looks like gdb has problem displaying the correct value passed as the 'p' argument in many routines. This value showing as 0x1 is probably an artefact. Yes, FreeBSD 4.2 is old, this box needs an upgrade. It looks like this case was simpler than I thought: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x120054888 in PreprocUrlDecode (p=0x1) at spp_http_decode.c:443 443 while(index < end && !lookup_whitespace[(u_int)(*index)]) (u_int)(*index) generates a value that is way beyond the allowed 0..255 range for index in lookup_whitespace, so in some cases it raises a SIGSEGV. It could be because all this is Unicode stuff. I've changed all (u_int) casts use to generate an index into lookup_whitespace and lookup_hexvalue to (u_char) in spp_http_decode.c and that fixed the SIGSEGVs for me (patch attached). > I also have gadzillions of unaligned access warnings, all inside > functions CheckSrcIP and CheckDstIP. I suspect a misaligned structure. > > pid 31358 (snort): unaligned access: va=0x120196032 pc=0x12002a210 ra=0x1200293e8 op=ldl > pid 31358 (snort): unaligned access: va=0x120196036 pc=0x12002a428 ra=0x12002a280 op=ldl Here, I've tried "uac -s" to debug the thing so that Snort gets a SIGBUS when unaligned access occurs. Here's what I've got: Program received signal SIGBUS, Bus error. BuildPacket (s=0x12005b6f4, stream_size=301968392, p=0x120179970, direction=301968672) at spp_stream4.c:3360 3360 stream_pkt->iph->ip_dst.s_addr = p->iph->ip_src.s_addr; Can't look at the value of 'p', GDB obviously finds it wrong because the value is different at one stack frame level upper: (gdb) bt #0 BuildPacket (s=0x12005b6f4, stream_size=301968392, p=0x120179970, direction=301968672) at spp_stream4.c:3360 #1 0x12005a5c4 in FlushStream (s=0x12005a5c4, p=0x11ffabd8, direction=538417520) at spp_stream4.c:3241 Let's see the instruction raising the exception: (gdb) x/i $pc 0x12005ab5c : ldq t0,-28576(gp) Registers: (gdb) i r v0 0x12018e01e 4833468446 t0 0x12018e026 4833468454 t1 0x11ffad20 301968672 t2 0x120163260 4833292896 t3 0x10450008ba07c420 1172343315480691744 t4 0xffff000000000000 -281474976710656 t5 0xffffffff 4294967295 t6 0x601053c2b000 105623241011200 t7 0x1045000800000000 1172343312359620608 s0 0x22 34 s1 0x3c 60 s2 0x120163230 4833292848 s3 0x120160000 4833280000 s4 0x120169fce 4833320910 s5 0x3 3 fp 0x11ffab88 301968264 a0 0x12018e01e 4833468446 a1 0x120163252 4833292882 a2 0x6 6 a3 0x120163258 4833292888 a4 0x12018e024 4833468452 a5 0xffffffffba1a8364 -1172667548 t8 0x160242678 5907949176 ---Type to continue, or q to quit--- t9 0x1600893a8 5906142120 t10 0x55dc6 351686 t11 0x41c00 269312 ra 0x12005ab00 4832209664 t12 0x1602260c0 5907833024 at 0x160242678 5907949176 gp 0x12008b638 4832409144 sp 0x11ffab88 301968264 zero 0x0 0 pc 0x12005ab5c 4832209756 vfp 0x11ffabd8 301968344 I'm not fluent enough in Alpha machine code to debug this. I assume that 'ldq' is load quadword, so the problem must be on the right side of the assigment, when reading p->iph->ip_src.s_addr The 'Packet' structure is obviously aligned up to 'iph' since there are only pointers there. So it must be 'iph'? But it exactly maps the IP header format, so there's little that can be changed here! The source IP address in there is 32-bit aligned too. Comments anyone? (I'll Cc: this to freebsd-alpha) For now, "uac -p" in the Snort startup shell script will at least avoid the annoying messages. Greets, _Alain_ --z6Eq5LdranGa6ru8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="spp_http_decode.c.patch" *** spp_http_decode.c Tue Oct 15 10:59:32 2002 --- spp_http_decode.c.org Tue Oct 15 10:56:52 2002 *************** *** 440,450 **** psize = (u_int16_t) (p->dsize); /* first skip past the HTTP method */ ! while(index < end && !lookup_whitespace[(u_char)(*index)]) index++; /* skip over whitespace seperator */ ! while(index < end && lookup_whitespace[(u_char)(*index)]) index++; /* evilness check */ --- 440,450 ---- psize = (u_int16_t) (p->dsize); /* first skip past the HTTP method */ ! while(index < end && !lookup_whitespace[(u_int)(*index)]) index++; /* skip over whitespace seperator */ ! while(index < end && lookup_whitespace[(u_int)(*index)]) index++; /* evilness check */ *************** *** 506,512 **** need the original packet data to stay around do { ! if(*index == '%' || lookup_whitespace[(u_char)(*index)]) break; if(*index == '?' && end_on_url_param) break; --- 506,512 ---- need the original packet data to stay around do { ! if(*index == '%' || lookup_whitespace[(u_int)(*index)]) break; if(*index == '?' && end_on_url_param) break; *************** *** 558,565 **** "Double hex encoding received\n");); } ! hex1=lookup_hexvalue[(u_char)(*(index+1))]; ! hex2=lookup_hexvalue[(u_char)(*(index+2))]; if(hex1 != -1 && hex2 != -1) { --- 558,565 ---- "Double hex encoding received\n");); } ! hex1=lookup_hexvalue[(u_int)(*(index+1))]; ! hex2=lookup_hexvalue[(u_int)(*(index+2))]; if(hex1 != -1 && hex2 != -1) { *************** *** 608,614 **** } } ! else if(lookup_whitespace[(u_char)(*index)]) { /* we've reached the delimiting whitespace */ /* UriBufs[0].http_version = (u_int8_t *) index; */ --- 608,614 ---- } } ! else if(lookup_whitespace[(u_int)(*index)]) { /* we've reached the delimiting whitespace */ /* UriBufs[0].http_version = (u_int8_t *) index; */ *************** *** 625,631 **** while(index < end && ((cur - (char *) UriBufs[0].uri) < URI_LENGTH)) { ! if(lookup_whitespace[(u_char)(*index)]) { /* we've reached the delimiting whitespace */ /* Time to get HTTP version? */ --- 625,631 ---- while(index < end && ((cur - (char *) UriBufs[0].uri) < URI_LENGTH)) { ! if(lookup_whitespace[(u_int)(*index)]) { /* we've reached the delimiting whitespace */ /* Time to get HTTP version? */ --z6Eq5LdranGa6ru8-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Oct 14 23:58:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA58537B401 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACD643E77 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2002 23:58:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9F6weFu031494; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:58:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9F6wdD4031493; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:58:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 08:58:39 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Greg Lewis Cc: Josh Tolbert , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC164 SRM firmware problem Message-ID: <20021015085839.A31434@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20021014215719.C34046-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> <20021015131525.A97731@misty.eyesbeyond.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021015131525.A97731@misty.eyesbeyond.com>; from glewis@eyesbeyond.com on Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 01:15:25PM +0930 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 01:15:25PM +0930, Greg Lewis wrote: > On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 10:12:34PM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > I obtained a PC164 motherboard, a 500MHz 21164 Alpha, 128M RAM and > > various other bits (including a dead CPU fan; I just re-pinned an Intel > > heatsink fan to work on the DEC motherboard) to use as a FreeBSD machine. > > Unfortunately, I'm not able to get FreeBSD installed because I'm having > > problems with the SRM firmware update. I know this is semi-off-topic for > > this list, but I've looked around and can't find a description of a > > similar problem anywhere. Hopefully someone on the list can point me in > > the right direction. > > When I received the board, it had ARC firmware in the ROM. Since > > that won't do for FreeBSD, I downloaded the SRM firmware and followed the > > documented procedure to flash the SRM firmware (put fwupdate.exe and > > pc164srm.rom on a floppy, update firmware from the ARC console and just > > follow the prompts). After rebooting, I get the standard blue screen with > > a black border, a blinking white cursor and nothing else. I don't see the > > customary SRM ">>>" prompt or a prompt of any sort. I've tried pressing > > enter (and other keys) as suggested, to no avail. > > I've had a really similar problem with a PC164 LX. I haven't even gotten > as far as you have yet unfortunately :(. > > Do get the serial console set up, it can be helpful if SRM has been > set up to talk to it :). One of the two boxes I was looking at > definitely had SRM set up to go to the first serial port. The other > is still stuck in ARC as we speak, but I have a few more things to > try before I completely give up :). > > The only other thing I can recommend is that a number of people have > found that there are problems going directly to the latest version of > the firmware. If you have an older version of SRM then give that a > try. The oldest FW CD I have that has the AlphaPC164 contains SRM 4.8 If anybody wants to try that I could make the f/w image available. Wilko [historians beware, the very oldest FW CD I own is a from 1993 ;-) ] -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 15 1:10:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5908F37B404 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 01:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (osh202-181.broadacre.com [66.54.202.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF4943EB7 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 01:10:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (localhost.scoundrelz.net [127.0.0.1]) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9F89pLL041455; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 03:09:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from localhost (hemi@localhost) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g9F89pWV041452; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 03:09:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: view.scoundrelz.net: hemi owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 03:09:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Josh Tolbert To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Greg Lewis , Subject: Re: PC164 SRM firmware problem In-Reply-To: <20021015085839.A31434@freebie.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20021015030414.P41308-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Wilko, I think I grabbed SRM 4.8 from Microway's site, but I'm definitely interested in trying the firmware you have out. After much more experimenting tonight I could not a) get kermit to talk to the Alpha via a null modem setup b) get the newer SRM firmware to boot c) get any older SRM firmware to boot I'm fairly certain that a) is just my inexperience with serial connections. I don't know what settings the Alpha is expecting, nor do I know how to make Kermit do the right things. I'm beginning to think that this particular PC164 motherboard is one of the truly NT-only versions that can only play nicely with the ARC console. I'm probably going to send an e-mail to someone at DEC/Compaq/HP/whoever they are next week to see if my suspicion can be confirmed. If this board truly is ARC-only, I'll just chalk the $50 up to experience and sell it to someone that wants an NT/Alpha box. By the way, the ARC firmware I flashed works like a charm. There has to be a trick for making this buzzard work. Any other ideas? Thanks, Josh On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 01:15:25PM +0930, Greg Lewis wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 10:12:34PM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > > I obtained a PC164 motherboard, a 500MHz 21164 Alpha, 128M RAM and > > > various other bits (including a dead CPU fan; I just re-pinned an Intel > > > heatsink fan to work on the DEC motherboard) to use as a FreeBSD machine. > > > Unfortunately, I'm not able to get FreeBSD installed because I'm having > > > problems with the SRM firmware update. I know this is semi-off-topic for > > > this list, but I've looked around and can't find a description of a > > > similar problem anywhere. Hopefully someone on the list can point me in > > > the right direction. > > > When I received the board, it had ARC firmware in the ROM. Since > > > that won't do for FreeBSD, I downloaded the SRM firmware and followed the > > > documented procedure to flash the SRM firmware (put fwupdate.exe and > > > pc164srm.rom on a floppy, update firmware from the ARC console and just > > > follow the prompts). After rebooting, I get the standard blue screen with > > > a black border, a blinking white cursor and nothing else. I don't see the > > > customary SRM ">>>" prompt or a prompt of any sort. I've tried pressing > > > enter (and other keys) as suggested, to no avail. > > > > I've had a really similar problem with a PC164 LX. I haven't even gotten > > as far as you have yet unfortunately :(. > > > > Do get the serial console set up, it can be helpful if SRM has been > > set up to talk to it :). One of the two boxes I was looking at > > definitely had SRM set up to go to the first serial port. The other > > is still stuck in ARC as we speak, but I have a few more things to > > try before I completely give up :). > > > > The only other thing I can recommend is that a number of people have > > found that there are problems going directly to the latest version of > > the firmware. If you have an older version of SRM then give that a > > try. > > The oldest FW CD I have that has the AlphaPC164 contains SRM 4.8 > > If anybody wants to try that I could make the f/w image available. > > Wilko > > [historians beware, the very oldest FW CD I own is a from 1993 ;-) ] > > -- > | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 15 2:36:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7626737B401 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717D343E97 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:36:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9F9a6Fu031831; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:36:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9F9a5Z1031830; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:36:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:36:05 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Josh Tolbert Cc: Greg Lewis , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC164 SRM firmware problem Message-ID: <20021015113605.B31764@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20021015085839.A31434@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20021015030414.P41308-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021015030414.P41308-100000@view.scoundrelz.net>; from hemi@scoundrelz.net on Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 03:09:51AM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 03:09:51AM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > Hi Wilko, > I think I grabbed SRM 4.8 from Microway's site, but I'm definitely > interested in trying the firmware you have out. I'll try to dig it out tonight. > After much more experimenting tonight I could not > > a) get kermit to talk to the Alpha via a null modem setup > b) get the newer SRM firmware to boot > c) get any older SRM firmware to boot > > I'm fairly certain that a) is just my inexperience with serial > connections. I don't know what settings the Alpha is expecting, nor do I > know how to make Kermit do the right things. 9600N81 > I'm beginning to think that this particular PC164 motherboard is > one of the truly NT-only versions that can only play nicely with the ARC > console. I'm probably going to send an e-mail to someone at There are no real NT-only CPUs (contrary to popular belief..). There are some boxes that do not have an SRM available (like the XL, XLT series). But that is another issue. > DEC/Compaq/HP/whoever they are next week to see if my suspicion can be > confirmed. If this board truly is ARC-only, I'll just chalk the $50 up to > experience and sell it to someone that wants an NT/Alpha box. > By the way, the ARC firmware I flashed works like a charm. There > has to be a trick for making this buzzard work. > Any other ideas? Short of the little force-feeder box that I have at home to connect directly to the SROM (not:SRM) port not really. > Thanks, > Josh > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 01:15:25PM +0930, Greg Lewis wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 10:12:34PM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > > > I obtained a PC164 motherboard, a 500MHz 21164 Alpha, 128M RAM and > > > > various other bits (including a dead CPU fan; I just re-pinned an Intel > > > > heatsink fan to work on the DEC motherboard) to use as a FreeBSD machine. > > > > Unfortunately, I'm not able to get FreeBSD installed because I'm having > > > > problems with the SRM firmware update. I know this is semi-off-topic for > > > > this list, but I've looked around and can't find a description of a > > > > similar problem anywhere. Hopefully someone on the list can point me in > > > > the right direction. > > > > When I received the board, it had ARC firmware in the ROM. Since > > > > that won't do for FreeBSD, I downloaded the SRM firmware and followed the > > > > documented procedure to flash the SRM firmware (put fwupdate.exe and > > > > pc164srm.rom on a floppy, update firmware from the ARC console and just > > > > follow the prompts). After rebooting, I get the standard blue screen with > > > > a black border, a blinking white cursor and nothing else. I don't see the > > > > customary SRM ">>>" prompt or a prompt of any sort. I've tried pressing > > > > enter (and other keys) as suggested, to no avail. > > > > > > I've had a really similar problem with a PC164 LX. I haven't even gotten > > > as far as you have yet unfortunately :(. > > > > > > Do get the serial console set up, it can be helpful if SRM has been > > > set up to talk to it :). One of the two boxes I was looking at > > > definitely had SRM set up to go to the first serial port. The other > > > is still stuck in ARC as we speak, but I have a few more things to > > > try before I completely give up :). > > > > > > The only other thing I can recommend is that a number of people have > > > found that there are problems going directly to the latest version of > > > the firmware. If you have an older version of SRM then give that a > > > try. > > > > The oldest FW CD I have that has the AlphaPC164 contains SRM 4.8 > > > > If anybody wants to try that I could make the f/w image available. > > > > Wilko > > > > [historians beware, the very oldest FW CD I own is a from 1993 ;-) ] > > > > -- > > | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org > > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands > > ---end of quoted text--- -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 15 3:53:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8930D37B401 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 03:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5B443EAC for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 03:53:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9FAr36K045525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:53:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.1.10]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9FAr2gK010376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:53:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9FAr1lv041082; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:53:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9FAqvLt041081; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:52:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:52:57 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Josh Tolbert , Greg Lewis , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC164 SRM firmware problem Message-ID: <20021015105256.GB40929@cicely8.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <20021015085839.A31434@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20021015030414.P41308-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> <20021015113605.B31764@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021015113605.B31764@freebie.xs4all.nl> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely8.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 11:36:05AM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 03:09:51AM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > Hi Wilko, > > I think I grabbed SRM 4.8 from Microway's site, but I'm definitely > > interested in trying the firmware you have out. > > I'll try to dig it out tonight. This board had a previous ARC life: >>>show config Digital AlphaPC 164 500 MHz SRM Console: V5.5-1 PALcode: OpenVMS PALcode V1.21-9, Digital UNIX PALcode V1.23-8 SROM Revision: 2.2 Alpha 21164A-2 DECchip (tm) 21172 CIA ASIC Pass 3 [...] -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 15 9:33:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3FA37B401 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (osh202-181.broadacre.com [66.54.202.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3FF343EB1 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:33:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (localhost.scoundrelz.net [127.0.0.1]) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9FGX3LL052960; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:33:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from localhost (hemi@localhost) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g9FGX2uq052957; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:33:03 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: view.scoundrelz.net: hemi owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:33:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Josh Tolbert To: ticso@cicely.de Cc: Wilko Bulte , Greg Lewis , Subject: Re: PC164 SRM firmware problem In-Reply-To: <20021015105256.GB40929@cicely8.cicely.de> Message-ID: <20021015112932.D52841-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Bernd, Yes, I've seen these boards running SRM firmware before. Unfortunately, knowing that some of them do run SRM firmware doesn't do me any good. No one can explain why the machine refuses to work with the SRM firmware or provide any sort of workaround. :( Since the ARC firmware works again, is there any information I should be looking for? Thanks, Josh On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Bernd Walter wrote: > On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 11:36:05AM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 03:09:51AM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > > Hi Wilko, > > > I think I grabbed SRM 4.8 from Microway's site, but I'm definitely > > > interested in trying the firmware you have out. > > > > I'll try to dig it out tonight. > > This board had a previous ARC life: > >>>show config > Digital AlphaPC 164 500 MHz > > SRM Console: V5.5-1 > PALcode: OpenVMS PALcode V1.21-9, Digital UNIX PALcode V1.23-8 > > SROM Revision: 2.2 > Alpha 21164A-2 > DECchip (tm) 21172 CIA ASIC Pass 3 > [...] > > -- > B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de > ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 15 9:41:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5386D37B404 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6F943EB1 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:41:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9FGf36K050836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:41:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.1.10]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9FGf15W012425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:41:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9FGf0lv044510; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:41:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9FGf0AI044509; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:41:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:41:00 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Josh Tolbert Cc: ticso@cicely.de, Wilko Bulte , Greg Lewis , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC164 SRM firmware problem Message-ID: <20021015164059.GG44176@cicely8.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <20021015105256.GB40929@cicely8.cicely.de> <20021015112932.D52841-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021015112932.D52841-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely8.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 11:33:02AM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > Hi Bernd, > Yes, I've seen these boards running SRM firmware before. > Unfortunately, knowing that some of them do run SRM firmware doesn't do me > any good. No one can explain why the machine refuses to work with the SRM > firmware or provide any sort of workaround. :( It was more to stop guessing which version is good. > Since the ARC firmware works again, is there any information I > should be looking for? It worked exactly the way you originaly described. Did you test the seriel interfaces as others suggested? -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 15 9:58:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC97337B401 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (osh202-181.broadacre.com [66.54.202.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596E743EA3 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:58:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (localhost.scoundrelz.net [127.0.0.1]) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9FGwBLL053560; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:58:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from localhost (hemi@localhost) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g9FGwAUi053557; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:58:11 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: view.scoundrelz.net: hemi owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:58:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Josh Tolbert To: ticso@cicely.de Cc: Wilko Bulte , Greg Lewis , Subject: Re: PC164 SRM firmware problem In-Reply-To: <20021015164059.GG44176@cicely8.cicely.de> Message-ID: <20021015115540.F53516-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Bernd, I haven't successfully made a serial connection to the Alpha. I'm going to continue working with the Alpha tonight, and now I have the settings that Wilko provided, but I'm not familiar with serial consoles at all. I guess I'm going to use Kermit, but I'm not sure if I need to make Kermit "listen" or "connect" or other things of the sort. Thanks, Josh On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Bernd Walter wrote: > On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 11:33:02AM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > Hi Bernd, > > Yes, I've seen these boards running SRM firmware before. > > Unfortunately, knowing that some of them do run SRM firmware doesn't do me > > any good. No one can explain why the machine refuses to work with the SRM > > firmware or provide any sort of workaround. :( > > It was more to stop guessing which version is good. > > > Since the ARC firmware works again, is there any information I > > should be looking for? > > It worked exactly the way you originaly described. > Did you test the seriel interfaces as others suggested? > > -- > B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de > ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 15 10: 5:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7565537B401 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9AA43EAF for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:05:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07331; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g9FH5Ax55694; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:05:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15788.19142.275236.142834@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:05:10 -0400 (EDT) To: Josh Tolbert Cc: Subject: Re: PC164 SRM firmware problem In-Reply-To: <20021015115540.F53516-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> References: <20021015164059.GG44176@cicely8.cicely.de> <20021015115540.F53516-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Josh Tolbert writes: > Hi Bernd, > I haven't successfully made a serial connection to the Alpha. I'm > going to continue working with the Alpha tonight, and now I have the > settings that Wilko provided, but I'm not familiar with serial consoles at > all. I guess I'm going to use Kermit, but I'm not sure if I need to make > Kermit "listen" or "connect" or other things of the sort. The most complicated thing is that you need a null-modem cable. You want to 'connect' Kermit defaults to the correct settings (9600,8n1). These are the same default settings that a getty on a serial console of a FreeBSD box will use. So if you want to test your cabling and kermit setup, start a getty on a FreeBSD box's serial line and try the cable there: # grep ttyd0 /etc/ttys ttyd0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.9600" vt100 on secure # kill -1 1 Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 15 10:20:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F087337B401 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgr2.xmission.com (mgr2.xmission.com [198.60.22.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7EC43EA9 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from mail by mgr2.xmission.com with spam-scanned (Exim 3.35 #1) id 181VJO-0000J0-02 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:16:55 -0600 Received: from [207.135.128.145] (helo=misty.eyesbeyond.com) by mgr2.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 181VIo-0008K7-02; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:16:18 -0600 Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9FHGE901023; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:46:14 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:46:14 +0930 From: Greg Lewis To: Josh Tolbert Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC164 SRM firmware problem Message-ID: <20021016024614.A1004@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <20021015164059.GG44176@cicely8.cicely.de> <20021015115540.F53516-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021015115540.F53516-100000@view.scoundrelz.net>; from hemi@scoundrelz.net on Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 11:58:10AM -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.5 required=8.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MUTT,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.42 X-Spam-Level: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 11:58:10AM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > Hi Bernd, > I haven't successfully made a serial connection to the Alpha. I'm > going to continue working with the Alpha tonight, and now I have the > settings that Wilko provided, but I'm not familiar with serial consoles at > all. I guess I'm going to use Kermit, but I'm not sure if I need to make > Kermit "listen" or "connect" or other things of the sort. I've successfully used minicom to do this. My minicom setup (assuming the first serial port looks like this: # cat /usr/local/etc/minicom/minirc.cuaa0 # Machine-generated file - use "minicom -s" to change parameters. pr port /dev/cuaa0 pu baudrate 9600 pu bits 8 pu parity N pu stopbits 1 Minicom is in ports (comms/minicom). -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 15 10:41:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0905637B401 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from poptart.bithose.com (poptart.bithose.com [208.171.236.145]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946EE43EAC for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:41:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jakari@bithose.com) Received: from poptart.bithose.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by poptart.bithose.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9FHfUUG036247 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jakari@localhost) by poptart.bithose.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9FHfUAp036245 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:41:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: poptart.bithose.com: jakari owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 13:41:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Jameel Akari To: Subject: Re: PC164 SRM firmware problem In-Reply-To: <20021015030414.P41308-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This thread reminds me of an issue with a PC164 system I was given recently. It was an NT/ARC system with a "NT-only" Symbios/NCR SCSi controller (i.e. doesn't show up in SRM). The SRM is whatever the latest Compaq update CD has on it, I forget the version at the moment. So I decided to try IDE disks. The thing is, it only sees the primary channels IDE master, and no other devices. That is, if you put a hard disk as primary master, it shows as dqa0. If you plug in a CDROM drive anywhere (primary/slave, secondary master or slave) it doesn't show up. If you disconnect the hard drive and put the CDROM in its place, you get it as dqa0 again. I booted a Linux floppy on the machine (dva0) and it kernel was able to find the dqa0 hard drive /and/ the undetected-by-SRM CDROM. End result was that a CDROM install worked fine when booted from floppy. But I'm still stuck where I can't boot from IDE CDROM (dqb0?) and install to the dqa0 disk. Netbooting is less that optimal since I might want to install Tru64 on it, and the's kinda ugly. Any pointers? #!/jameel/akari for zig in $(find / -name zig); do rm -f "$zig"; done; export GREAT_JUSTICE=1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 15 12:30:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD03737B401 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CD943EB2 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:30:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 181XOy-0005Uc-03; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:30:48 +0200 Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9FJCc3X001601 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:12:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull@localhost.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9FJCcrc001600 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 21:12:38 +0200 (CEST) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: PC164 SRM firmware problem Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 19:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20021015164059.GG44176@cicely8.cicely.de> <20021015115540.F53516-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Josh Tolbert wrote: > I haven't successfully made a serial connection to the Alpha. I'm > going to continue working with the Alpha tonight, and now I have the > settings that Wilko provided, but I'm not familiar with serial consoles at > all. I guess I'm going to use Kermit, but I'm not sure if I need to make > Kermit "listen" or "connect" or other things of the sort. "connect" -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Oct 15 18:27:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6FA37B401 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (osh202-181.broadacre.com [66.54.202.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BABB43E75 for ; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:27:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (localhost.scoundrelz.net [127.0.0.1]) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9G1RJLL065288; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:27:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from localhost (hemi@localhost) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g9G1RI0G065285; Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:27:19 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: view.scoundrelz.net: hemi owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 20:27:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Josh Tolbert To: Wilko Bulte Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: PC164 SRM firmware problem In-Reply-To: <20021015193625.B32974@freebie.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20021015202603.A62793-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Wilko, No luck with the firmware. Thanks for sending it to me, though. As far as the serial connection goes, I'm trying to use a ThinkPad 600 for the client and apparently people have been having problems with the serial ports on these laptops. :( Thanks, Josh On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 11:58:10AM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > > Attached is the oldish SRM for the PC164 I promised to send. > > > > Hi Bernd, > > I haven't successfully made a serial connection to the Alpha. I'm > > going to continue working with the Alpha tonight, and now I have the > > settings that Wilko provided, but I'm not familiar with serial consoles at > > all. I guess I'm going to use Kermit, but I'm not sure if I need to make > > Kermit "listen" or "connect" or other things of the sort. > > > > Thanks, > > Josh > > > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Bernd Walter wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 11:33:02AM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > > > Hi Bernd, > > > > Yes, I've seen these boards running SRM firmware before. > > > > Unfortunately, knowing that some of them do run SRM firmware doesn't do me > > > > any good. No one can explain why the machine refuses to work with the SRM > > > > firmware or provide any sort of workaround. :( > > > > > > It was more to stop guessing which version is good. > > > > > > > Since the ARC firmware works again, is there any information I > > > > should be looking for? > > > > > > It worked exactly the way you originaly described. > > > Did you test the seriel interfaces as others suggested? > > > > > > -- > > > B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de > > > ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de > > > > > > > ---end of quoted text--- > > -- > | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 16 0:28:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6265437B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (osh202-181.broadacre.com [66.54.202.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C578343E8A for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 00:28:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (localhost.scoundrelz.net [127.0.0.1]) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9G7RpLL073552; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:27:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from localhost (hemi@localhost) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g9G7Rnpm073549; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:27:50 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: view.scoundrelz.net: hemi owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:27:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Josh Tolbert To: Greg Lewis Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC164 SRM firmware problem In-Reply-To: <20021016024614.A1004@misty.eyesbeyond.com> Message-ID: <20021016021238.S73206-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi guys, I *finally* managed to get a serial console to work. For some odd reason my ThinkPad 600 refused to work, but my trusty dual PII/400 FreeBSD box never fails... Alpha Firmware Version 4.49-7 Copyright (c) 1993-1996 Microsoft Corporation Copyright (c) 1993-1996 Digital Equipment Corporation Digital Semiconductor A Digital Equipment Corporation business September 1996 Boot menu: Use the arrow keys to select, then press Enter. 1. Boot Windows NT Server Version 4.00 2. Boot an alternate operating system... 3. Run a program... 4. Supplementary menu... Enter your selection: 4 Alpha Firmware Version 4.49-7 Copyright (c) 1993-1996 Microsoft Corporation Copyright (c) 1993-1996 Digital Equipment Corporation Digital Semiconductor A Digital Equipment Corporation business September 1996 Supplementary menu: Use the arrow keys to select, then press Enter. 1. Install new firmware... 2. Install Windows NT from CD-ROM 3. Set up the system... 4. Display hardware configuration 5. Boot menu... Enter your selection: 1 Searching for the update tool on CD-ROM and floppy... Timeout on keyboard controller or keyboard initialization. All I/O is going to serial port #1. Initializing firmware update. ...........DSDN No mouse detected. Initializing device drivers: ATAPI ...OK. Initializing Flash Driver: Intel 28F008SA Firmware Update menu: Firmware Update menu: 1. Update Firmware 3. Restart the system N - Next menu (if any)... P - Previous menu (if any)... Enter your selection: 1 Locating Image: multi()disk()fdisk()\pc164srm.rom Loading multi()disk()fdisk()\pc164srm.rom...done Checking Image...OK Really update flash with 'multi()disk()fdisk()\pc164srm.rom'? 1. Yes 2. No Enter your selection: 1 Flashing image at offset 0x10000 Writing Flash Block: 1W 2W 3W 4W 5W 6W 7W 8W 9W Verifying Flash Block: 1V 2V 3V 4V 5V 6V 7V 8V 9V Console selection does not match flashed image. Console selection: Windows NT New Firmware: OpenVMSUpdate console sele? 1. Yes 2. No Enter your selection: 1 Console selection set to OpenVMS Flash Update Complete. Press any key to continue... Firmware Update menu: Firmware Update menu: 1. Update Firmware 3. Restart the system N - Next menu (if any)... P - Previous menu (if any)... Enter your selection: 3 Restarting the system Image found at 10000 Image base in flash is 80300000 Jumping to new image at 300000... Address = 00300000 Memory Size = 08000000 Clock Cycle Period = 000007d0 System Revision = decb0001 Active Processors = 00000001 System Context Value = 00000000 *** keyboard not plugged in... ff.fe.fd.fc.fb.fa.f9.f8.f7.f6.f5.f3.f2.f1.f0. ef.b0.b1.b2.b3.ee.ed.ec.f4.eb.ea.e9.e8.e7. Digital AlphaPC 164 500 MHz Console V5.5-1, Jul 14 1999 12:37:45 >>>set console graphics >>>init It worked! >>>show config Digital AlphaPC 164 500 MHz SRM Console: V5.5-1 PALcode: OpenVMS PALcode V1.21-9, Digital UNIX PALcode V1.23-8 SROM Revision: UNKNOWN Alpha 21164A-2 DECchip (tm) 21172 CIA ASIC Pass 3 Thank you guys for being patient with me. :) Now, does anyone know where I can find cheap RAM for this thing? 128M will do for now, but I'm going to want more. Thanks, Josh On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Greg Lewis wrote: > On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 11:58:10AM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > Hi Bernd, > > I haven't successfully made a serial connection to the Alpha. I'm > > going to continue working with the Alpha tonight, and now I have the > > settings that Wilko provided, but I'm not familiar with serial consoles at > > all. I guess I'm going to use Kermit, but I'm not sure if I need to make > > Kermit "listen" or "connect" or other things of the sort. > > I've successfully used minicom to do this. My minicom setup (assuming the > first serial port looks like this: > > # cat /usr/local/etc/minicom/minirc.cuaa0 > # Machine-generated file - use "minicom -s" to change parameters. > pr port /dev/cuaa0 > pu baudrate 9600 > pu bits 8 > pu parity N > pu stopbits 1 > > Minicom is in ports (comms/minicom). > > -- > Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com > Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com > Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 16 1:10:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A2B37B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prinz.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (prinz.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp [133.9.152.239]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371D343E77 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:10:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fujimori@prinz.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp) Received: from prinz.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prinz.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (8.12.3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9G8AMHd047188 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:10:23 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from fujimori@prinz.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp) Message-Id: <200210160810.g9G8AMHd047188@prinz.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: X Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:10:22 +0900 From: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear folks, I am trying to compile X on 4.7-release platform. Has anyone succeeded in doing it? I am trying to demonstrate some graphics on alpha-boxes, and for that demonstration, I hope CRT is always on. I should be very happy if some kind soul would give me a clue for that. # Most of recent monitors stop displaying contents and the screen become just blank, if we do not touch keyboard or move mouse. I want to avoid this blank screen situation. I should be very happy, if I can get some responses from Xperts. In advance, thank you for your attention. Best, Yoriaki Fujimori To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 16 1:45: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD5637B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12AB43E7B for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:45:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9G8ii6K068644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:44:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.1.10]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9G8ig5W016870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:44:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9G8iglv046825; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:44:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9G8ifsv046824; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:44:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:44:41 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Josh Tolbert Cc: Greg Lewis , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC164 SRM firmware problem Message-ID: <20021016084440.GB45124@cicely8.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <20021016024614.A1004@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <20021016021238.S73206-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021016021238.S73206-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely8.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 02:27:49AM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > Hi guys, > I *finally* managed to get a serial console to work. For some odd > reason my ThinkPad 600 refused to work, but my trusty dual PII/400 FreeBSD > box never fails... Not an alpha thing, but your seriel might be powered down on your Thinkpad. The device is still there, but the linedrivers are disabled. See your IBM documentation about that issue. > Digital AlphaPC 164 500 MHz Console V5.5-1, Jul 14 1999 12:37:45 > >>>set console graphics > >>>init > > It worked! congratulations. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 16 5:47:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C33B37B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62FEF43EB1 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:47:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18953; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g9GCkhp57092; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:46:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15789.24499.603278.958558@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 08:46:43 -0400 (EDT) To: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X In-Reply-To: <200210160810.g9G8AMHd047188@prinz.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> References: <200210160810.g9G8AMHd047188@prinz.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yoriaki FUJIMORI writes: > Dear folks, > > I am trying to compile X on 4.7-release platform. > Has anyone succeeded in doing it? > I am trying to demonstrate some graphics on alpha-boxes, > and for that demonstration, I hope CRT is always on. > I should be very happy if some kind soul would give me > a clue for that. > # Most of recent monitors stop displaying contents and the > screen become just blank, if we do not touch keyboard or > move mouse. I want to avoid this blank screen situation. Is this just the screensaver, and/or dpms? % xset -dpms s off Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 16 11:39:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D4437B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.FreeBSD.org (host-64-110-76-218.interpacket.net [64.110.76.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81C2B43EA3 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:39:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fatigwarzo01@usa.com) From: "Fati Gwarzo" Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:44:47 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: confidential. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20021016183916.81C2B43EA3@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org DEAR SIR, MAY THE BLESSINGS OF GOD BE UPON YOU AND GRANT YOUR FAMILY AND YOU THE WISDOM AND SYMPATHY TO UNDERSTAND OUR SITUATION AND HOW MUCH WE REALLY NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE. I AM THE WIFE OF ALHAJI ISMAILA GWARZO THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER TO THE FORMER LATE HEAD OF STATE GEN. SANI ABACHA WHO DIED IN 1998 AS A RESULT OF HEART FAILURE. SINCE THE DEATH OF GEN. ABACHA AND THE CONSEQUENT DISSOLUTION OF HIS CABINET THE NEW GOVERNMENT OF CHIEF OBASANJO HAS TURNED AGAINST MY FAMILY. AT FIRST WE THOUGHT IT WAS A NORMAL INTERROGATION, AS MY FATHER SHOULD KNOW ABOUT SOME CONFIDENTIAL DEALINGS OF HIS BOSS LATE GEN. SANI ABACHA OR HARASSMENT FROM ENEMIES HE MADE WHILE IN GOVERNMENT BUT I WAS PROVED VERY WRONG. MY HUSBANDIS NOW BEING DETAINED AT THE KUJE PRISONS ABUJA FOR DOING NOTHING OTHER THAN SERVING HIS FATHER LAND, ALL OUR ACCOUNTS AT HOME AND ABROAD KNOWN TO THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN FROZEN TO FRUSTRATE US. IT HAS NOW DAWNED ON US THAT WE HAVE A VERY SERIOUS BATTLE WITH PRESIDENT OBASANJO’S GOVERNMENT SINCE HE BELIEVES THAT MY HUSBAND WAS THE PERSON WHO ROPED HIM INTO PRISON FOR A PHANTOM COUP CHARGE, AS HE NOW WANTS TO GET BACK AT US. MY HUSBAND’S CLOSEST ASSOCIATES HAVE BETRAYED AND DESERTED US AND WE NO LONGER TRUST ANYONE OF THEM. THEREFORE, I AM REQUESTING FOR YOUR URGENT ASSISTANCE TO HELP MY FAMILY. RECENTLY, HE CONFIDED IN ME ABOUT A SECRET DEPOSIT OF US$25,000,000.00 (TWENTY FIVE MILLION, UNITED STATES DOLLARS), WHICH HE MADE VIA DIPLOMATIC COURIER SERVICES TO A SECURITY COMPANY BASED IN ABROAD AND PLACED ON HOLD. BECAUSE OF LACK OF TRUST ON FRIENDS AND ASSOCIATES MY HUSBAND HAS MANDATED ME TO OFFER 20% OF THE FUND TO YOU FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE AT THIS HOUR OF NEED. ALL YOU ARE EXPECTED TO DO IS COLLECT THE DEPOSIT DOCUMENTS FROM ME TO ENABLE YOU COLLECT THE TRUNK BOXES OF MONEY ON OUR BEHALF. MY ENTIRE FAMILY IS IN SERIOUS FINANCIAL DISTRESS AND THIS IS THE ONLY HOPE FOR US AS ALL OUR PASSPORTS AND TRAVELING DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN SEIZED BY THE GOVERNMENT, HAVE IT IN MIND THAT THERE IS NO RISK INVOLVED IN THIS ASSISTANCE AS ONLY , MY HUSBAND AND I KNOW ABOUT THIS. OUR OWN SHARE IS TO BE LEFT IN YOUR CARE UNTIL ONE OF US IS ABLE TO FIND HIS WAY OUT TO OPEN NEW ACCOUNTS. I WILL SINCERELY APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE THROUGH MY PRIVATE EMAIL: fatigwarzo@techemail.com. THIS SUBJECT IS HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL AND THEREFORE SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH. INCLUDE YOUR PERSONAL TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBERS FOR EASY COMMUNICATION. WE HOPE THAT YOU CAN BE TRUSTED AND YOU WOULD NOT DISAPPOINT US. BEST REGARDS, HAJIA FATI GWARZO To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 16 12:10: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D068937B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E1F43EAA for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9GJA1x3010487 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9GJA1rC010486; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0375F37B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diabloii.qgraph.com (DIABLOII.qgraph.com [161.49.22.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BE043E75 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:04:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ajschroe@diabloii.qgraph.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by diabloii.qgraph.com (8.12.6/8.11.6) id g9GJ4PwT054417; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:04:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ajschroe) Message-Id: <200210161904.g9GJ4PwT054417@diabloii.qgraph.com> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:04:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Super-User Reply-To: Super-User To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: alpha/44147: kdebase 3.0.4 will not build Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 44147 >Category: alpha >Synopsis: kdebase 3.0.4 will not build >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-alpha >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Oct 16 12:10:01 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Super-User >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE alpha >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD diabloii.qgraph.com 4.7-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE #0: Tue Oct 15 14:07:32 CDT 2002 root@diabloii.qgraph.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DIABLOII alpha >Description: c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -pthread -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -D_GETOPT_H -D_THREAD_SAFE -DNDEBUG -DNO_DEBUG -O -O0 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -c workspace.cpp -Wp,-MD,.deps/workspace.TPlo -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/workspace.o workspace.cpp: In method `class KWinInternal::Client * KWinInternal::Workspace::clientFactory(long unsigned int)': workspace.cpp:271: `TopMenu' is not a member of type `NET' workspace.cpp: In method `void KWinInternal::Workspace::restoreLegacySession(KConfig *)': workspace.cpp:3635: no matching function for call to `KProcess::setUseShell (bool)' gmake[3]: *** [workspace.lo] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/kdebase3/work/kdebase-3.0.4/kwin' gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/kdebase3/work/kdebase-3.0.4/kwin' gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/kdebase3/work/kdebase-3.0.4' gmake: *** [all] Error 2 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase3. >How-To-Repeat: cd /usr/ports/x11/kdebase3 make clean && make all WITH_MOTIF=YES >Fix: unknown >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 16 19:46: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D9437B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newsguy.com (smtp.newsguy.com [216.148.53.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E351343E75 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:46:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unixguru@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (adsl-216-103-58-122.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [216.103.58.122]) by newsguy.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA81035 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 19:44:47 Subject: confidential. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) From: "Fati Gwarzo" To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org DEAR SIR, MAY THE BLESSINGS OF GOD BE UPON YOU AND GRANT YOUR FAMILY AND YOU THE WISDOM AND SYMPATHY TO UNDERSTAND OUR SITUATION AND HOW MUCH WE REALLY =20= NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE. I AM THE WIFE OF ALHAJI ISMAILA GWARZO THE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER TO THE FORMER LATE HEAD OF STATE GEN. SANI ABACHA WHO DIED IN 1998 AS A RESULT OF HEART FAILURE. SINCE THE DEATH OF GEN. ABACHA AND THE CONSEQUENT DISSOLUTION OF HIS CABINET THE NEW GOVERNMENT OF CHIEF OBASANJO HAS TURNED AGAINST MY FAMILY. AT FIRST WE THOUGHT IT WAS A NORMAL INTERROGATION, AS MY FATHER SHOULD KNOW ABOUT SOME CONFIDENTIAL DEALINGS OF HIS BOSS LATE GEN. SANI ABACHA OR HARASSMENT FROM ENEMIES HE MADE WHILE IN GOVERNMENT BUT I WAS PROVED=20= VERY WRONG. MY HUSBANDIS NOW BEING DETAINED AT THE KUJE PRISONS ABUJA =20= FOR DOING NOTHING OTHER THAN SERVING HIS FATHER LAND, ALL OUR ACCOUNTS=20= AT HOME AND ABROAD KNOWN TO THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN FROZEN TO FRUSTRATE=20= US. IT HAS NOW DAWNED ON US THAT WE HAVE A VERY SERIOUS BATTLE WITH=20 PRESIDENT OBASANJO=92S GOVERNMENT SINCE HE BELIEVES THAT MY HUSBAND WAS=20= THE PERSON WHO ROPED HIM INTO PRISON FOR A PHANTOM COUP CHARGE, AS HE=20 NOW WANTS TO GET BACK AT US. MY HUSBAND=92S CLOSEST ASSOCIATES HAVE=20 BETRAYED AND DESERTED US AND WE NO LONGER TRUST ANYONE OF THEM.=20 THEREFORE, I AM REQUESTING FOR YOUR URGENT ASSISTANCE TO HELP MY FAMILY. RECENTLY, HE CONFIDED IN ME ABOUT A SECRET DEPOSIT OF US$25,000,000.00 (TWENTY FIVE MILLION, UNITED STATES DOLLARS), WHICH HE MADE VIA DIPLOMATIC COURIER SERVICES TO A SECURITY COMPANY BASED IN ABROAD AND=20= PLACED ON HOLD. BECAUSE OF LACK OF TRUST ON FRIENDS AND ASSOCIATES MY=20= HUSBAND HAS MANDATED ME TO OFFER 20% OF THE FUND TO YOU FOR YOUR=20 ASSISTANCE AT THIS HOUR OF NEED. ALL YOU ARE EXPECTED TO DO IS COLLECT=20= THE DEPOSIT DOCUMENTS FROM ME TO ENABLE YOU COLLECT THE TRUNK BOXES OF=20= MONEY ON OUR BEHALF. MY ENTIRE FAMILY IS IN SERIOUS FINANCIAL DISTRESS=20= AND THIS IS THE ONLY HOPE FOR US AS ALL OUR PASSPORTS AND TRAVELING=20 DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN SEIZED BY THE GOVERNMENT, HAVE IT IN MIND THAT=20 THERE IS NO RISK INVOLVED IN THIS ASSISTANCE AS ONLY , MY HUSBAND AND I KNOW ABOUT THIS.=20= OUR OWN SHARE IS TO BE LEFT IN YOUR CARE UNTIL ONE OF US IS ABLE TO=20 FIND HIS WAY OUT TO OPEN NEW ACCOUNTS. I WILL SINCERELY APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE THROUGH MY PRIVATE EMAIL:=20 fatigwarzo@techemail.com. THIS SUBJECT IS HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL AND THEREFORE SHOULD BE TREATED AS SUCH. INCLUDE YOUR PERSONAL TELEPHONE=20 AND FAX NUMBERS FOR EASY COMMUNICATION. WE HOPE THAT YOU CAN BE TRUSTED AND YOU WOULD NOT DISAPPOINT US. BEST REGARDS, HAJIA FATI GWARZO To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message --=20 Christian biblical literalists are trusting themselves to an archaic=20 English translation of a Latin translation of a Greek or Aramaic=20 source. I wouldn't even trust a VCR manual to make it through that=20 intact. --=20 "Bother," said Pooh, as he received his CompuServe bill.= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Oct 16 23:43:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2EA37B401 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (osh202-181.broadacre.com [66.54.202.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B2C43E91 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:43:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (localhost.scoundrelz.net [127.0.0.1]) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9H6hALL005891 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:43:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from localhost (hemi@localhost) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g9H6hAkN005888 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:43:10 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: view.scoundrelz.net: hemi owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 01:43:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Josh Tolbert To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Machine Check when booting dqa0? Message-ID: <20021017013934.Y5784-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi again, I've managed to get FreeBSD installed (twice) on two separate IDE drives. Unfortunately, when I go to boot the IDE drives, I get a Machine Check halt. I'm not sure why I'm having a problem booting from the drive, cause FreeBSD installs to the drive just fine. Both drives are WDs (ugh, I don't like WDs, but it's what I had laying around) of the 3.2G and 6.4G variety. The device (dqa0) shows up along with the CD-ROM drive when I do a "show devices," but there's no device model number or name like the CD-ROM's entry has. I'm going to try moving the hard drive to the secondary channel and using the CD-ROM on the primary channel to see if that makes any difference, but I'm open to other suggestions. Thanks, Josh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 17 3:47:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 389E037B401 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961C143E77 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 03:47:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9HAlnFu039502; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:47:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9HAlnjI039501; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:47:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:47:49 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Josh Tolbert Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Machine Check when booting dqa0? Message-ID: <20021017124749.A39487@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20021017013934.Y5784-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021017013934.Y5784-100000@view.scoundrelz.net>; from hemi@scoundrelz.net on Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 01:43:10AM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 01:43:10AM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: Inquiring minds would like to know what Alpha model you use.. > Hi again, > I've managed to get FreeBSD installed (twice) on two separate IDE > drives. Unfortunately, when I go to boot the IDE drives, I get a Machine > Check halt. I'm not sure why I'm having a problem booting from the drive, > cause FreeBSD installs to the drive just fine. > Both drives are WDs (ugh, I don't like WDs, but it's what I had > laying around) of the 3.2G and 6.4G variety. The device (dqa0) shows up > along with the CD-ROM drive when I do a "show devices," but there's no > device model number or name like the CD-ROM's entry has. > I'm going to try moving the hard drive to the secondary channel > and using the CD-ROM on the primary channel to see if that makes any > difference, but I'm open to other suggestions. > > Thanks, > Josh > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message ---end of quoted text--- -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 17 6: 1:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB57637B401; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qescan2.qgraph.com (QESCAN2.qgraph.com [206.158.124.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 20AC043E3B; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:01:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Aaron.Schroeder@qg.com) Received: from 192.168.200.30 by qescan2.qgraph.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:01:40 -0500 Received: by sxsmtp3.qgraph.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:01:40 -0500 Message-ID: <025596A38A894B45AFE62346A6BF47464E2FB7@waexch1.qgraph.com> From: "Schroeder, Aaron" To: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-kde@freebsd.org'" Subject: kdebase3 build problems Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:01:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, Now, for some reason or another, my kde3.0.3 'meta-port' package was upgraded by portupgrade, but none of the other kde packages were upgraded. Now, when I 'pkg_info |grep kde', I get this: pkg_info: can't find package 'kde-3.0.3' installed or in a file! pkg_info: can't find package 'kdeaddons-3.0.3' installed or in a file! pkg_info: can't find package 'kdeadmin-3.0.3' installed or in a file! pkg_info: can't find package 'kdeartwork-3.0.3' installed or in a file! pkg_info: can't find package 'kdebase-3.0.3' installed or in a file! pkg_info: can't find package 'kdegames-3.0.3' installed or in a file! pkg_info: can't find package 'kdegraphics-3.0.3' installed or in a file! pkg_info: can't find package 'kdelibs-3.0.3a' installed or in a file! pkg_info: can't find package 'kdemultimedia-3.0.3' installed or in a file! pkg_info: can't find package 'kdenetwork-3.0.3' installed or in a file! pkg_info: can't find package 'kdeutils-3.0.3' installed or in a file! pkg_info: can't find package 'koffice-1.2,1' installed or in a file! kde-3.0.4 The "meta-port" for KDE I figured that I would just build each one separately, then do a mass install once they were all built. Although, it seems that my pkgdb is screwed somehow. I guess maybe I should concentrate on fixing that before I go ahead an build the new kde 3.0.4. The problem is, I am not sure how to fix these errors. Has anyone had this problem before that can shed some light as to what might have happened and how to fix it? Now for part two of my message: Maybe I am going about building this the wrong way, but when I go to build kdebase3 (it's acutally 3.0.4) I get this build error: c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -pthread -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -D_GETOPT_H -D_THREAD_SAFE -DNDEBUG -DNO_DEBUG -O -O0 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -c workspace.cpp -Wp,-MD,.deps/workspace.TPlo -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/workspace.o workspace.cpp: In method `class KWinInternal::Client * KWinInternal::Workspace::clientFactory(long unsigned int)': workspace.cpp:271: `TopMenu' is not a member of type `NET' workspace.cpp: In method `void KWinInternal::Workspace::restoreLegacySession(KConfig *)': workspace.cpp:3635: no matching function for call to `KProcess::setUseShell (bool)' gmake[3]: *** [workspace.lo] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/kdebase3/work/kdebase-3.0.4/kwin' gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/kdebase3/work/kdebase-3.0.4/kwin' gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/kdebase3/work/kdebase-3.0.4' gmake: *** [all] Error 2 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/kdebase3. The command that I am using is 'make clean && make all WITH_MOTIF=YES' I tried building with this command 'make clean && make all' and I get the same errors... Ideas? AJ Schroeder P.S. Please cc me as I am not on the KDE list. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 17 6:48:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1A337B401 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13E743E65 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 06:48:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [213.157.24.98] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.75 #2) id 182B0b-0003Op-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:48:17 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 6C6DB35 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:48:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jan-freebsd.lan (jan-freebsd.lan [192.168.0.22]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id D8FA634 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 15:48:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: status of current for alpha? From: Jan Lentfer To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 17 Oct 2002 15:48:13 +0200 Message-Id: <1034862493.39042.7.camel@jan-freebsd.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, can someone tell me about the status of CURRENT/5.0 for alpha? Is it usable for a desktop machine already? Worth upgrading now? I wouldn't mind dealing with minor bugs as long as the system stays usable. I only have one alpha so I can only do work OR testing ;-), but wouldn't mind helping to squeeze out some minor problems. TIA Jan -- Jan Lentfer System Administrator Molecular Cell Biology / AG Holstein, Darmstadt University of Technology, Schnittspahnstr. 10, 64287 Darmstadt, Germany Tel: +49 6151 16 5563 / Tel private: +49 6151 788415 / mobile: +49 163 4712037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 17 8:20:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07F537B401 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (osh202-181.broadacre.com [66.54.202.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3856C43E6A for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:20:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (localhost.scoundrelz.net [127.0.0.1]) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9HFKVLL017832; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:20:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from localhost (hemi@localhost) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g9HFKUHk017829; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:20:30 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: view.scoundrelz.net: hemi owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:20:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Josh Tolbert To: Wilko Bulte Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Machine Check when booting dqa0? In-Reply-To: <20021017124749.A39487@freebie.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20021017101839.L17719-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Wilko, I'm using a PC164 with a 500Mhz 21164A. >>>show config Digital AlphaPC 164 500 MHz SRM Console: V5.5-1 PALcode: OpenVMS PALcode V1.21-9, Digital UNIX PALcode V1.23-8 SROM Revision: UNKNOWN Alpha 21164A-2 DECchip (tm) 21172 CIA ASIC Pass 3 Thanks, Josh On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 01:43:10AM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > Inquiring minds would like to know what Alpha model you use.. > > > Hi again, > > I've managed to get FreeBSD installed (twice) on two separate IDE > > drives. Unfortunately, when I go to boot the IDE drives, I get a Machine > > Check halt. I'm not sure why I'm having a problem booting from the drive, > > cause FreeBSD installs to the drive just fine. > > Both drives are WDs (ugh, I don't like WDs, but it's what I had > > laying around) of the 3.2G and 6.4G variety. The device (dqa0) shows up > > along with the CD-ROM drive when I do a "show devices," but there's no > > device model number or name like the CD-ROM's entry has. > > I'm going to try moving the hard drive to the secondary channel > > and using the CD-ROM on the primary channel to see if that makes any > > difference, but I'm open to other suggestions. > > > > Thanks, > > Josh > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > ---end of quoted text--- > > -- > | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 17 8:27:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2D437B401 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AA543E6E for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:27:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16158; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g9HFQc596570; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:26:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15790.54958.628923.428888@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:26:38 -0400 (EDT) To: Josh Tolbert Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Machine Check when booting dqa0? In-Reply-To: <20021017101839.L17719-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> References: <20021017124749.A39487@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20021017101839.L17719-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Have you tried power-cycling the box before attempting to boot? On some machines (my up1000 for example), IDE works great the first time after a cold boot, and then fails upon reboot. (I just get the timeout messages, not a machine check). FWIW, I think we're not putting something back the way SRM likes it. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Oct 17 12:32:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7528337B4A1 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C57F843E3B for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:32:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 182GNK-0000Gi-00; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:32:06 +0200 Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9HIuh3X032654 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:56:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull@localhost.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9HIugfc032653 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 20:56:43 +0200 (CEST) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: status of current for alpha? Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 18:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1034862493.39042.7.camel@jan-freebsd.lan> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer wrote: > can someone tell me about the status of CURRENT/5.0 for alpha? Is it > usable for a desktop machine already? Yes. Well, it depends what requirements you attach to a "desktop machine". I wouldn't hold my breath for KDE/GNOME/Mozilla to work or even build. However, I have been using 5.0-CURRENT for its entire lifetime on my "desktop" alpha. There were some rough times during the first six months of this year, but since then it has stabilized, at least for my configuration. > Worth upgrading now? That I can't judge. I think -CURRENT right now is primarily for early adopters and people who want to fix things. > I wouldn't mind dealing with minor bugs as long as the system stays > usable. I only have one alpha so I can only do work OR testing ;-), but > wouldn't mind helping to squeeze out some minor problems. There is a world of breakage waiting to be discovered and fixed in the ports tree, both related to -CURRENT and related to alpha. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 18 1:49: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFBE37B401 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (osh202-181.broadacre.com [66.54.202.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACB343E9C for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:48:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (localhost.scoundrelz.net [127.0.0.1]) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9I8mMLL042616; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:48:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from localhost (hemi@localhost) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g9I8mMgj042613; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:48:22 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: view.scoundrelz.net: hemi owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:48:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Josh Tolbert To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Machine Check when booting dqa0? In-Reply-To: <15790.54958.628923.428888@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: <20021018034632.E42572-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Andrew, I tried booting from IDE immediately after the power-on, but got the same result every time I tried. The exact machine error is a "660 Machine Check," which from my searching indicates a memory error. Can anyone verify this, and if so is there any way to determine if the problem is board-related or memory-related without swapping the RAM around? I don't have too many EDO ECC SIMMs laying around. Also, is there any place (besides ebay) to find something like a UP1000 Alpha motherboard for a reasonable price? Thanks, Josh On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Have you tried power-cycling the box before attempting to boot? > > On some machines (my up1000 for example), IDE works great the first > time after a cold boot, and then fails upon reboot. (I just get the > timeout messages, not a machine check). FWIW, I think we're not > putting something back the way SRM likes it. > > Drew > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 18 1:51: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E556437B401 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (osh202-181.broadacre.com [66.54.202.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDC943EA9 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:50:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (localhost.scoundrelz.net [127.0.0.1]) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9I8oSLL042716; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:50:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from localhost (hemi@localhost) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g9I8oSh2042713; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:50:28 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: view.scoundrelz.net: hemi owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 03:50:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Josh Tolbert To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Machine Check when booting dqa0? In-Reply-To: <20021018034632.E42572-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> Message-ID: <20021018035005.S42646-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oh, yeah...Something else. It's actuall dva0 that I use to try to boot from the hard drive. Does that sound fishy? Thanks, Josh On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Josh Tolbert wrote: > Hi Andrew, > I tried booting from IDE immediately after the power-on, but got > the same result every time I tried. > The exact machine error is a "660 Machine Check," which from my > searching indicates a memory error. Can anyone verify this, and if so is > there any way to determine if the problem is board-related or > memory-related without swapping the RAM around? I don't have too many EDO > ECC SIMMs laying around. > Also, is there any place (besides ebay) to find something like a > UP1000 Alpha motherboard for a reasonable price? > > Thanks, > Josh > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > Have you tried power-cycling the box before attempting to boot? > > > > On some machines (my up1000 for example), IDE works great the first > > time after a cold boot, and then fails upon reboot. (I just get the > > timeout messages, not a machine check). FWIW, I think we're not > > putting something back the way SRM likes it. > > > > Drew > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 18 5:18:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F3337B401 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2C943E9E for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:18:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9IBgxFu043188; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:42:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9IBgv36043187; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:42:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:42:57 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Josh Tolbert Cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Machine Check when booting dqa0? Message-ID: <20021018134257.A43173@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20021018034632.E42572-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> <20021018035005.S42646-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021018035005.S42646-100000@view.scoundrelz.net>; from hemi@scoundrelz.net on Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 03:50:28AM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 03:50:28AM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: dva0 is the floppy. > Oh, yeah...Something else. It's actuall dva0 that I use to try to boot > from the hard drive. Does that sound fishy? > > Thanks, > Josh > > On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > > Hi Andrew, > > I tried booting from IDE immediately after the power-on, but got > > the same result every time I tried. > > The exact machine error is a "660 Machine Check," which from my > > searching indicates a memory error. Can anyone verify this, and if so is > > there any way to determine if the problem is board-related or > > memory-related without swapping the RAM around? I don't have too many EDO > > ECC SIMMs laying around. > > Also, is there any place (besides ebay) to find something like a > > UP1000 Alpha motherboard for a reasonable price? > > > > Thanks, > > Josh > > > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > > > > Have you tried power-cycling the box before attempting to boot? > > > > > > On some machines (my up1000 for example), IDE works great the first > > > time after a cold boot, and then fails upon reboot. (I just get the > > > timeout messages, not a machine check). FWIW, I think we're not > > > putting something back the way SRM likes it. > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message ---end of quoted text--- -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 18 5:18:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F0337B401 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6562143E77 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9IBhUFu043199; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:43:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9IBhUg9043198; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:43:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:43:30 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Josh Tolbert Cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Machine Check when booting dqa0? Message-ID: <20021018134330.B43173@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <15790.54958.628923.428888@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20021018034632.E42572-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021018034632.E42572-100000@view.scoundrelz.net>; from hemi@scoundrelz.net on Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 03:48:22AM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 03:48:22AM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: EDO RAM?? I'm 99% sure this box uses FPM ECC RAMS, not EDO. > Hi Andrew, > I tried booting from IDE immediately after the power-on, but got > the same result every time I tried. > The exact machine error is a "660 Machine Check," which from my > searching indicates a memory error. Can anyone verify this, and if so is > there any way to determine if the problem is board-related or > memory-related without swapping the RAM around? I don't have too many EDO > ECC SIMMs laying around. > Also, is there any place (besides ebay) to find something like a > UP1000 Alpha motherboard for a reasonable price? > > Thanks, > Josh > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > Have you tried power-cycling the box before attempting to boot? > > > > On some machines (my up1000 for example), IDE works great the first > > time after a cold boot, and then fails upon reboot. (I just get the > > timeout messages, not a machine check). FWIW, I think we're not > > putting something back the way SRM likes it. > > > > Drew > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message ---end of quoted text--- -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 18 5:40:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC4537B401 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B1143EA9 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:40:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06415; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g9ICdq398149; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:39:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15792.280.746156.138242@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:39:52 -0400 (EDT) To: Josh Tolbert Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Machine Check when booting dqa0? In-Reply-To: <20021018034632.E42572-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> References: <15790.54958.628923.428888@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20021018034632.E42572-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Josh Tolbert writes: > Hi Andrew, > I tried booting from IDE immediately after the power-on, but got > the same result every time I tried. > The exact machine error is a "660 Machine Check," which from my > searching indicates a memory error. Can anyone verify this, and if so is > there any way to determine if the problem is board-related or It could also be a failing hardware component. > memory-related without swapping the RAM around? I don't have too many EDO > ECC SIMMs laying around. > Also, is there any place (besides ebay) to find something like a > UP1000 Alpha motherboard for a reasonable price? If you think $4650 is reasonable for a up1500 (an 800MHz 21264), talk to harddata.com Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 18 6: 7:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD62B37B401 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7585543E9E for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:07:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9ID7X6K018719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:07:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.1.10]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9ID7WCu006751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:07:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9ID7V7N003710; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:07:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9ID7U5t003709; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:07:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:07:29 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Josh Tolbert , Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Machine Check when booting dqa0? Message-ID: <20021018130729.GJ465@cicely8.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <15790.54958.628923.428888@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20021018034632.E42572-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> <20021018134330.B43173@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021018134330.B43173@freebie.xs4all.nl> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely8.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 01:43:30PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 03:48:22AM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > EDO RAM?? > > I'm 99% sure this box uses FPM ECC RAMS, not EDO. It's designed to run with FPM ECC PS/2 Simms at 70ns. But it shouldn't matter if you plug in EDO Simms as the chipsset can't interleave - the board is single banked anyway. BTW - I had a test installation on IDE 1-2 years ago on my PC164. So yes - it should boot FreeBSD from IDE. > > Hi Andrew, > > I tried booting from IDE immediately after the power-on, but got > > the same result every time I tried. > > The exact machine error is a "660 Machine Check," which from my > > searching indicates a memory error. Can anyone verify this, and if so is > > there any way to determine if the problem is board-related or > > memory-related without swapping the RAM around? I don't have too many EDO > > ECC SIMMs laying around. Having all Simms of the same size is not enough. All Simms must be of the same internal organisation. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 18 7: 3:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D79D37B401 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B2343E42 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:03:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g9IE3jFu043427; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:03:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9IE3jL7043426; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:03:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:03:45 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: ticso@cicely.de Cc: Josh Tolbert , Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Machine Check when booting dqa0? Message-ID: <20021018160345.A43412@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <15790.54958.628923.428888@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20021018034632.E42572-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> <20021018134330.B43173@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20021018130729.GJ465@cicely8.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20021018130729.GJ465@cicely8.cicely.de>; from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de on Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 03:07:29PM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-RC X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 03:07:29PM +0200, Bernd Walter wrote: > On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 01:43:30PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 03:48:22AM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > > > EDO RAM?? > > > > I'm 99% sure this box uses FPM ECC RAMS, not EDO. > > It's designed to run with FPM ECC PS/2 Simms at 70ns. > But it shouldn't matter if you plug in EDO Simms as the chipsset can't > interleave - the board is single banked anyway. A couple of my colleagues were responsible for qualing/sourcing RAMs. They told me, and had data to prove it, that ALphas can be quite picky for their memory. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 18 13:13:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE55D37B406 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net (badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362C543E65 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:13:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by badboy.mail.pas.earthlink.net (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9IJnmE09726 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0209.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.209] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 182d6P-0001Zv-00; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:48:10 -0700 Message-ID: <3DB06532.5F566701@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 12:46:58 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: ticso@cicely.de, Josh Tolbert , Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Machine Check when booting dqa0? References: <15790.54958.628923.428888@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20021018034632.E42572-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> <20021018134330.B43173@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20021018130729.GJ465@cicely8.cicely.de> <20021018160345.A43412@freebie.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > I'm 99% sure this box uses FPM ECC RAMS, not EDO. > > > > It's designed to run with FPM ECC PS/2 Simms at 70ns. > > But it shouldn't matter if you plug in EDO Simms as the chipsset can't > > interleave - the board is single banked anyway. > > A couple of my colleagues were responsible for qualing/sourcing RAMs. > They told me, and had data to prove it, that ALphas can be quite picky for > their memory. Trying other memory might be a good idea. Mine is picky enough that it refuses to run if you use Simms with gold connectors instead of tin. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 18 13:41: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C1B37B401 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (osh202-181.broadacre.com [66.54.202.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CFF43EFA for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:41:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (localhost.scoundrelz.net [127.0.0.1]) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9IKeNLL059761; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:40:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from localhost (hemi@localhost) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g9IKeNQO059758; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:40:23 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: view.scoundrelz.net: hemi owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:40:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Josh Tolbert To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Andrew Gallatin , Subject: Re: Machine Check when booting dqa0? In-Reply-To: <20021018134257.A43173@freebie.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20021018153853.U59632-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi again, In "show device" at the SRM prompt, only my CD-ROM (DQA0) and floppy drive (DVA0) show up. Is there something I need to do to enable the primary IDE channel, or does the machine just not like those particular (WD) hard drives? Is there something I need to do after the FreeBSD install that I'm missing? Thanks, Josh On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 03:50:28AM -0500, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > > dva0 is the floppy. > > > Oh, yeah...Something else. It's actuall dva0 that I use to try to boot > > from the hard drive. Does that sound fishy? > > > > Thanks, > > Josh > > > > On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > > > > Hi Andrew, > > > I tried booting from IDE immediately after the power-on, but got > > > the same result every time I tried. > > > The exact machine error is a "660 Machine Check," which from my > > > searching indicates a memory error. Can anyone verify this, and if so is > > > there any way to determine if the problem is board-related or > > > memory-related without swapping the RAM around? I don't have too many EDO > > > ECC SIMMs laying around. > > > Also, is there any place (besides ebay) to find something like a > > > UP1000 Alpha motherboard for a reasonable price? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Josh > > > > > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Have you tried power-cycling the box before attempting to boot? > > > > > > > > On some machines (my up1000 for example), IDE works great the first > > > > time after a cold boot, and then fails upon reboot. (I just get the > > > > timeout messages, not a machine check). FWIW, I think we're not > > > > putting something back the way SRM likes it. > > > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > ---end of quoted text--- > > -- > | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Oct 18 14: 3:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B58537B401 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from poptart.bithose.com (poptart.bithose.com [208.171.236.145]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BAD43E91 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 14:03:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jakari@bithose.com) Received: from poptart.bithose.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by poptart.bithose.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9IL3C6K001683; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jakari@localhost) by poptart.bithose.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g9IL3BLJ001680; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:03:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: poptart.bithose.com: jakari owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:03:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Jameel Akari To: Josh Tolbert Cc: Wilko Bulte , Andrew Gallatin , Subject: Re: Machine Check when booting dqa0? In-Reply-To: <20021018153853.U59632-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Josh Tolbert wrote: > Hi again, > In "show device" at the SRM prompt, only my CD-ROM (DQA0) and > floppy drive (DVA0) show up. Is there something I need to do to enable the > primary IDE channel, or does the machine just not like those particular > (WD) hard drives? Is there something I need to do after the FreeBSD > install that I'm missing? FWIW, I just reported the same issue on my PC164. I don't think it's your hard drive. I've tried two different Western Digitals and a Fujitsu. If I make the hard drive the primary master it shows up as dqa0, but the CDROM doesn't show up (set to primary slave or secondary master). If the CDROm is primary master, it becomes dqa0. Basically, it only finds the primary master (dqa0) no matter what the device type is. Additionally, if I make the CDROM dqa0 and boot my Tru64 CD on it, it gets as far as jumping to the installer (video mode toggles to an ISO font) and the kernel panics. I don't recall if SRM interprets it as a machine check or not. This machine used to be an NT box with ARC and a non-SRM SCSI controller. It runs Linux fine (booted from the IDE HDD as dqa0) and once the Linux kernel boots, it finds the CDROM drive that should have been dqb0, but isn't. I booted from a Linux floppy (dva0) in order to do a CDROM install. I'm going to try a different Symbios SCSI card tonight and see if SRM likes it, because I'd rather do FreeBSD or Tru64 on it, and the CMD-whatever IDE controller basically sucks anyway. All this reminds me of an elderly Ultrix DECstation 3100 we had to take care of where the drives had to be spun up in just the right order to show up.. *sighs* -- Jameel Akari > > > > > > > Hi Andrew, > > > > I tried booting from IDE immediately after the power-on, but got > > > > the same result every time I tried. > > > > The exact machine error is a "660 Machine Check," which from my > > > > searching indicates a memory error. Can anyone verify this, and if so is > > > > there any way to determine if the problem is board-related or > > > > memory-related without swapping the RAM around? I don't have too many EDO > > > > ECC SIMMs laying around. > > > > Also, is there any place (besides ebay) to find something like a > > > > UP1000 Alpha motherboard for a reasonable price? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Josh > > > > > > > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you tried power-cycling the box before attempting to boot? > > > > > > > > > > On some machines (my up1000 for example), IDE works great the first > > > > > time after a cold boot, and then fails upon reboot. (I just get the > > > > > timeout messages, not a machine check). FWIW, I think we're not > > > > > putting something back the way SRM likes it. > > > > > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > ---end of quoted text--- > > > > -- > > | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org > > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > #!/jameel/akari for zig in $(find / -name zig); do rm -f "$zig"; done; export GREAT_JUSTICE=1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Oct 19 1:46: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741F237B401 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (osh202-181.broadacre.com [66.54.202.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D029C43E88 for ; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:45:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from view.scoundrelz.net (localhost.scoundrelz.net [127.0.0.1]) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9J8jBLL077210; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 03:45:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from hemi@scoundrelz.net) Received: from localhost (hemi@localhost) by view.scoundrelz.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g9J8jBu0077205; Sat, 19 Oct 2002 03:45:11 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: view.scoundrelz.net: hemi owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 03:45:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Josh Tolbert To: Jameel Akari Cc: Wilko Bulte , Andrew Gallatin , Subject: Re: Machine Check when booting dqa0? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021019034319.S77134-100000@view.scoundrelz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi guys, All my drive problems went away when I used a different IDE cable. Unfortunately, I only have one spare, non-pin-blocked IDE cable around, so I'm running just the hard drive for now. FreeBSD booted just fine from the IDE drive, though. When I round up another non-pin-blocked IDE cable I'm certain the CD-ROM and second hard drive will show up without problem. The IDE performance on this PC164 leaves much to be desired. I'm going to have to toss a SCSI card in this thing and just go SCSI. Thanks, Josh On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Jameel Akari wrote: > On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Josh Tolbert wrote: > > > Hi again, > > In "show device" at the SRM prompt, only my CD-ROM (DQA0) and > > floppy drive (DVA0) show up. Is there something I need to do to enable the > > primary IDE channel, or does the machine just not like those particular > > (WD) hard drives? Is there something I need to do after the FreeBSD > > install that I'm missing? > > FWIW, I just reported the same issue on my PC164. I don't think > it's your hard drive. I've tried two different Western Digitals and a > Fujitsu. If I make the hard drive the primary master it shows up as dqa0, > but the CDROM doesn't show up (set to primary slave or secondary master). > If the CDROm is primary master, it becomes dqa0. > > Basically, it only finds the primary master (dqa0) no matter what > the device type is. > > Additionally, if I make the CDROM dqa0 and boot my Tru64 CD on it, > it gets as far as jumping to the installer (video mode toggles to an ISO > font) and the kernel panics. I don't recall if SRM interprets it as a > machine check or not. > > This machine used to be an NT box with ARC and a non-SRM SCSI > controller. It runs Linux fine (booted from the IDE HDD as dqa0) and once > the Linux kernel boots, it finds the CDROM drive that should have been dqb0, > but isn't. I booted from a Linux floppy (dva0) in order to do a CDROM > install. > > I'm going to try a different Symbios SCSI card tonight and see if > SRM likes it, because I'd rather do FreeBSD or Tru64 on it, and the > CMD-whatever IDE controller basically sucks anyway. > > All this reminds me of an elderly Ultrix DECstation 3100 we had to > take care of where the drives had to be spun up in just the right order to > show up.. *sighs* > > -- > Jameel Akari > > > > > > > > > > Hi Andrew, > > > > > I tried booting from IDE immediately after the power-on, but got > > > > > the same result every time I tried. > > > > > The exact machine error is a "660 Machine Check," which from my > > > > > searching indicates a memory error. Can anyone verify this, and if so is > > > > > there any way to determine if the problem is board-related or > > > > > memory-related without swapping the RAM around? I don't have too many EDO > > > > > ECC SIMMs laying around. > > > > > Also, is there any place (besides ebay) to find something like a > > > > > UP1000 Alpha motherboard for a reasonable price? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Josh > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you tried power-cycling the box before attempting to boot? > > > > > > > > > > > > On some machines (my up1000 for example), IDE works great the first > > > > > > time after a cold boot, and then fails upon reboot. (I just get the > > > > > > timeout messages, not a machine check). FWIW, I think we're not > > > > > > putting something back the way SRM likes it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Drew > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > ---end of quoted text--- > > > > > > -- > > > | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org > > > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > #!/jameel/akari > for zig in $(find / -name zig); do > rm -f "$zig"; done; export GREAT_JUSTICE=1 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message