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Dear Jose,

> 
> Does anyone know whether it is possible to run ``timed'' in an alpha? 
> When I tried in a PW600 it gives a bunch of missalign errors 
> and then the date is reset to Jan 1970. 
>
FWIW I have seen this too. Recently there was a thread where I mentioned
this and John Baldwin commented that it was not broken. I'm not sure what
John knows that I don't.

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From: Martin Hunker <mhunker@cable.vol.at>
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Subject: Re: Errors: 4.7 and QLogic SCSI on AlphaStation 500
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Hi,

>> Are you sure your SCSI bus is in good shape? Termination, cable
>> etc?

Yes. 4.4, 4.5, 4.6, 4.6.2 works without a problem, NetBSD, OpenBSD
and Linux :)

>> A AS1000A at work with isp1020 works just fine. As do my AS500 and
>> DS10, also equipped with isp cards (isp1040 in this case).
>> Have you loaded ispfw(4) ?

Yes. That makes it even worst. Got some new error messages that didn't
appear without ispfw...

...
isp0: Not RESPONSE in RESPONSE Queue (type 0x0) @ idx 13 (next 14)\
nlooked 62
isp0: Unhandled Response Type 0x0
...

I simply can't pass the isp0 init while booting the 4.7 kernel!
Maybe it's my SRM (version V7.0-10)... ???

>W/

Martin

> 
> well, I'm disapointed a bit of 4.7-RELEASE for Alpha.
> 4.6 was running excellent on my AS500/400, and now look at this!
> But maybe anybody can tell me if it's possible to solve
> that problem...
> 
> Booting 4.7-RELEASE from CDROM or Floppy (for a clean, new install)
> 
> ...
> ...
> Timecounter "alpha"  frequency 399996144 Hz
> Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
> de0: enabling 10baseT port
> isp0: bus reset destroyed command for 0.4.1
> isp0: bus reset destroyed command for 0.14.0
> isp0: bus reset destroyed command for 0.13.0
> ...
>   (last message with other 0.XX.0's)
> ...
> isp0: bus reset destroyed command for 0.1.0
> isp0: timeout initiated SCSI bus reset of bus 0
> isp0: Polled Mailbox Command (0x15) Timeout
> (probe14:isp0:0:15:0): isp0: Watchdog timeout for handle 0x4e
> 
> 
> 
> Ok, that's it. HD/CDROM-LED is "ON", AlphaStation hangs.
> My hardware didn't change at all. Here pciconf of QLogic:
> 
> isp0@pci0:9:0:  class=0x010000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x10201077 \
> rev=0x02 hdr=0x00
>     vendor   = 'Q Logic'
>     device   = 'ISP1020A Fast-Wide-SCSI "Fast!SCSI IQ" Host Adapter'
>     class    = mass storage
>     subclass = SCSI
> 
> 
> 
> Help!
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
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>FWIW, I have a Promise ATA/33 board that works just fine in a Miata.

I have a Promise ATA/100 controller, with an attached WD 40GB ATA100 HD.
I also have 2 SCSI disks.

I have just put the WD ATA disk into my Alpha pws 500au.
The world and kernel are still on the SCSI disks.

My Question:  Since the SRM can only boot from a SCSI disk, what is the best way
              to organise my filesystems ? (I only want to use the SCSI disks for
              booting FreeBSD).
              Should I have a seperate /boot on the SCSI disk and the rest of the
              filesystems on the ATA disks ?

Thanx

 - aW



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> > 'startx' brings up X windows with twm but the picture quality is
really
> > bad.  It's bad at all resolutions and color depths.  Are there any
> > specific settings in the X config file that I should look for?
>
>
> I just put my v4 config from my alpha box with a millenium II card at
>
> ftp://ftp.clift.org/XF86Config.4.mII
>
> if you want to take a look at it....

Thanks.  So far so good.  I found that my poor picture quality was from
specifying the wrong memory amount.  I thought I had a 4M card but I
guess it's only 2M.  Now that I have that set and selected an
appropriate color depth, everything looks good.

Thanks for your help!

Drew


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Hi all,

since unfortunatley OpenOffice does not run on Alpha :-(, could someone
point my to a Powerpoint converter that runs on Alpha? On x86 I just use
OO and print it into pdf or ps to get rid of ppt - any chance to convert
ppt to an open format on Alpha?

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Thanks Kees, for the feedback. Maybe it would be useful to
know what happens if timed is set to run only on
alphas alone, but I have only one.

Jose F Nieves

> > Does anyone know whether it is possible to run ``timed'' in an alpha? 
> > When I tried in a PW600 it gives a bunch of missalign errors 
> > and then the date is reset to Jan 1970. 
> >
> FWIW I have seen this too. Recently there was a thread where I mentioned
> this and John Baldwin commented that it was not broken. I'm not sure what
> John knows that I don't.
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=231046+233698+/usr/local/www/db/
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On 24-Nov-2002 Jose F. Nieves wrote:
> Thanks Kees, for the feedback. Maybe it would be useful to
> know what happens if timed is set to run only on
> alphas alone, but I have only one.

I was running timed as a master on a PC running 4.x-stable and was
running timed as a slave on i386, alpha, and sparc64 with -current
and a alpha and i386 with -stable.  I've since switched to ntpd though.

> Jose F Nieves
> 
>> > Does anyone know whether it is possible to run ``timed'' in an alpha? 
>> > When I tried in a PW600 it gives a bunch of missalign errors 
>> > and then the date is reset to Jan 1970. 
>> >
>> FWIW I have seen this too. Recently there was a thread where I mentioned
>> this and John Baldwin commented that it was not broken. I'm not sure what
>> John knows that I don't.
>> 
>> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=231046+233698+/usr/local/www/db/
>> text/2002/freebsd-alpha/20021117.freebsd-alpha
>> 
>> (URL mail may need reconnecting)
>> 
>>     Kees Jan
>> 
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I can confirm that it does seem to work in that setup: one i386
as master, several i386 and the alpha as slave. It does give
the unalign errors when it starts, but it continues and seems to
work after that.

I'll try see what happens with other configurations.

Jose F Nieves

> I was running timed as a master on a PC running 4.x-stable and was
> running timed as a slave on i386, alpha, and sparc64 with -current
> and a alpha and i386 with -stable.  I've since switched to ntpd though.
> 
> -- 
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Dear Jose,

> 
> I can confirm that it does seem to work in that setup: one i386
> as master, several i386 and the alpha as slave. It does give
> the unalign errors when it starts, but it continues and seems to
> work after that.
> 
I seem to remember that I ran with the alpha as slave and some i386's; one
as master and some slaves. I also remember that the clock was set to weird
values on the alpha: 1970 seems about right.

I understand that different alpha's have different clock hardware. This may
be a source of cunfusion if they respond differently to timed breakage.

For the record: my machine was a NoName.

    Kees Jan

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Hello all,

I don't know if anyone would be interested or not, but I'll throw this out
there anyway. I just loaded 5.0 DP2-mini onto a SMP 4000 (5/400), there are
no ports or packages on this machine yet, so it's as clean as it comes.

If anyone would like to test code or whatever on it, I would be more than
willing to give people ssh access. This machine is not a production server
by any stretch and if it breaks, it breaks.

If you are interested in access to this machine, just let me know.

Thanks,

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http://beta.freebsd.org/errorlogs/5-latest/linux_base-7.1_1.log
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Someone needs to fix this before 5.0

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> http://beta.freebsd.org/errorlogs/5-latest/linux_base-7.1_1.log
> http://beta.freebsd.org/errorlogs/5-latest/linux_base-6.1_3.log
>
> Someone needs to fix this before 5.0

Funny you mention this.  I was just struggling with building linux_base
on an alpha running 4.7-RELEASE-p1.  I'm getting the same errors.  I've
gone to the Red Hat site and found the current version of glibc-common
is glibc-common-2.2.4-31.alpha.rpm.  I don't really understand the
details of ports but I tried finding the 'glibc-common' line in the
Makefile and changing it to the current version.  This (of course) broke
checksums.  I couldn't figure out how that worked but passed '-M
NO_CHECKSUM=YES" to portinstall and tried again.  The build progressed
up to the point where it tried to kldload linux and then failed with a
'file not found' message.

So now I'm stuck but maybe this is enough to make it easy for someone to
fix?

Cheers,

Drew

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4. That my husband received about $8.5 million in pay-offs from illegal gambling operators.
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Wilko Bulte <wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl> wrote:

> I would just try if I were you. I'd appreciate a status update
> whether it works or not,

The board beeps five times and that's it.

4   256MB PC133 ECC DIMM CL2  (Kingston KVR133X72C2/256)

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Sten <sten@blinkenlights.nl> wrote:

> I myself have a 164SX with 4x 256mb of ecc memory
> colocated which works perfectly.

Single- or double-sided DIMMs?  Mine are single-sided and don't
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On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Christian Weisgerber wrote:

> Sten <sten@blinkenlights.nl> wrote:
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> > I myself have a 164SX with 4x 256mb of ecc memory
> > colocated which works perfectly.
>
> Single- or double-sided DIMMs?  Mine are single-sided and don't
> work.

Well, they're quite generic dane-elec dimm's,
the machine is colocated and doing stuff which
means that opening it up to check the exact memory
type ain't all that easy :(.

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Sten wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
> > Sten <sten@blinkenlights.nl> wrote:
> > > I myself have a 164SX with 4x 256mb of ecc memory
> > > colocated which works perfectly.
> >
> > Single- or double-sided DIMMs?  Mine are single-sided and don't
> > work.
> 
> Well, they're quite generic dane-elec dimm's,
> the machine is colocated and doing stuff which
> means that opening it up to check the exact memory
> type ain't all that easy :(.

I have found that with certain chipsets, DIMMs with tin contacts
work, but DIMMs with gold contacts do not.

-- Terry

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On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Terry Lambert wrote:

> I have found that with certain chipsets, DIMMs with tin contacts
> work, but DIMMs with gold contacts do not.

I don't think I have seen many/any dimm's with tin contacts.
Simm's is a quite different story.

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Sten wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > I have found that with certain chipsets, DIMMs with tin contacts
> > work, but DIMMs with gold contacts do not.
> 
> I don't think I have seen many/any dimm's with tin contacts.
> Simm's is a quite different story.

I bought my Alpha memory from IBM, based on it being intended
for a PS/2 machine (I think).  YMMV, of course.

I understand that these days, it's hard to get anyhing that
doesn't have gold-plated contacts, but that doesn't make the
statement less true (sorry).

-- Terry

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Hi all,

what's the max amount of memory FreeBSD can use on a PWS 500a?
I want to buy some new memory chips from ebay and was wondering...

TIA,

Jan
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On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 11:02:39PM +0100, Jan Lentfer wrote:

I could be wrong, but I think it was 1GB (whereas the PWS
can accomodate 1.5GB IIRC)

> Hi all,
> 
> what's the max amount of memory FreeBSD can use on a PWS 500a?
> I want to buy some new memory chips from ebay and was wondering...
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Jan
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Wilko Bulte wrote:

> I could be wrong, but I think it was 1GB (whereas the PWS
> can accomodate 1.5GB IIRC)

It (4.7) certainly doesn't work with 1.5GB (just crashes on boot).

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On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 01:01:10PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
> Sten wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > > I have found that with certain chipsets, DIMMs with tin contacts
> > > work, but DIMMs with gold contacts do not.
> > 
> > I don't think I have seen many/any dimm's with tin contacts.
> > Simm's is a quite different story.
> 
> I bought my Alpha memory from IBM, based on it being intended
> for a PS/2 machine (I think).  YMMV, of course.
> 
> I understand that these days, it's hard to get anyhing that
> doesn't have gold-plated contacts, but that doesn't make the
> statement less true (sorry).

Which is bad, because most boards only have tin contacts on their
sockets.
But this is a different story.
Wrong contacts can cause you more failures over time.

One Point is that my Hardware Reference Manual shows a maximum of
512M memory (4x 16Mx72).
Christian tried modules with doubled size.
Another Point is that especially SDRAM can come in different
organisations which are not transparent to the system chipsset and
system initialisation software.
It is possible, that SRM or the hardware just can't handle the
organisation of the modules in question - especially as the board was
not designed to use modules of that size.

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Bernd Walter wrote:

> One Point is that my Hardware Reference Manual shows a maximum of
> 512M memory (4x 16Mx72).
> Christian tried modules with doubled size.
> Another Point is that especially SDRAM can come in different
> organisations which are not transparent to the system chipsset and
> system initialisation software.
> It is possible, that SRM or the hardware just can't handle the
> organisation of the modules in question - especially as the board was
> not designed to use modules of that size.

The conclusion would seem to be, 512M ( aka 4x 128)
should work according to spec, but you might get lucky
with certain 256mb dimm's. The reasons why this luck occurs
are currently unknown :).

I guess it's almost the same situation as with the symbios
895, of which I have an alpha compatible version.

The memory in my 164SX is (iirc) Dane-elec's DP133-07232,
which won't help a lot, because dane-elec doesn't seem to
publish spec's. And I ain't to sure that they keep the layout
of that dimm the same.

-- 
Sten Spans

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   when there is no more empty rackspace ?"

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i have a scsi disk a 36 gig 10k rpm seagate cheetah it was formerly in a
mac running mac linux.  I try to put it in the freebsd machine then boot
off cdrom but alas it comes up with unable to determin hd size then i
can't go further cause it says there is no harddisk present.  is there a
way i can get rid of the information that is on the hd without a mac?


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Setient wrote:
> 
> i have a scsi disk a 36 gig 10k rpm seagate cheetah it was formerly in a
> mac running mac linux.  I try to put it in the freebsd machine then boot
> off cdrom but alas it comes up with unable to determin hd size then i
> can't go further cause it says there is no harddisk present.  is there a
> way i can get rid of the information that is on the hd without a mac?
Boot a Linux Bootdisk (i usually take Slackware Boot- and Rootdisks) and
run dd or do a lowlevel format which should be provided by the
hostadapter's BIOS (on a PC). Maybe there is also a way using
BSD-Bootdisks.

MfG
Falko Meyer

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Double check your termination. 

Reason being is that I have a 36 gig 10k Seagate Cheetah in my Miata and my
disk does not come with termination capabilities, I had to install a SCSI
terminator in the internal chain. (Actually, they made one model disk with
termination on the disk, and one without, naturally, as luck would have it,
I get the one without termination)

You should be able to look the disk's model number up on seagate's website
and get information on your particular drive.

Good luck,

AJ

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i have a scsi disk a 36 gig 10k rpm seagate cheetah it was formerly in a
mac running mac linux.  I try to put it in the freebsd machine then boot
off cdrom but alas it comes up with unable to determin hd size then i
can't go further cause it says there is no harddisk present.  is there a
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Sten <sten@blinkenlights.nl> wrote:

> The conclusion would seem to be, 512M ( aka 4x 128)
> should work according to spec, but you might get lucky
> with certain 256mb dimm's. The reasons why this luck occurs
> are currently unknown :).

I ordered another set of DIMMs, effectively from the same source,
but PC100 and coincidentally these turned out to be double-sided.
Success!

>>>show config
...
MEMORY

1024 MBytes of system memory

Bank #       Size     Base Addr
------    ----------  ---------
  0         512 MB    000000000
  1         512 MB    020000000

Total Bad Pages = 0
Total Good Memory = 1024 MBytes
...


If anybody in Germany wants to upgrade a PC164SX to 1GB right now,
order Kingston 256MB SDRAM PC100 ECC CL2 memory (KVR100X72C2/256)
from Mix or Alternate.  Annoyingly, these cost half as much again
as the corresponding (but one-sided) PC133 DIMMs.  The Kingston
part number looks very generic, so I wouldn't expect the exact type
of memory to stay the same in time and space.

-- 
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber                          naddy@mips.inka.de


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I'm getting this on several of my alphas.  Any ideas?  The traceback
and panic message is weird.

Kris

axp4# gdb -k kernel.debug vmcore.0
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This GDB was configured as "alpha-undermydesk-freebsd"...
panic: bremfree: bp 0xfffffe0002acbbf0 not locked
panic messages:
---
dmesg: kvm_read:
---
#0  0xfffffc0000425e58 in doadump ()
    at /local0/src-client/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:231
231     /local0/src-client/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c: No such file or directory.
        in /local0/src-client/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c
(kgdb) bt
#0  0xfffffc0000425e58 in doadump ()
    at /local0/src-client/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:231
#1  0xfffffc0000426474 in boot (howto=260)
    at /local0/src-client/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:364
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