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As many of you know, we have a number of "variants" on the UFS/FFS theme
in src/sys/ufs.  In the past this has included mfs (now axed) and lfs (now
axed).  Currently, the denizens are ufs, ffs, ifs, and ext2fs.  With the
impending commit of a first draft of UFS2, we probably need to decide
what's happening with each of these.  The topic of this e-mail is IFS.

IFS provides a "short circuit" to access the filestore mechanism defined
in FFS.  It optimizes out the namespace for application services requiring
a filestore, but providing their own namespace/meta-data, and not wanting
to pay the cost of the filesystem namespace/meta-data service (either in
time for synchronous operation, or memory for soft updates).  Typically,
this type of filestore service is used for applications like Squid caches,
or could be used for applications like Coda that provide the namespace as
a pseudo-stack above the cache filestore.  In the past, services such as
AFS have attempted to avoid paying the price of the namespace through
calls such as iopen() or fhopen() (*).  IFS permits these applications to
run cleanly above the filestore. 

However.  IFS currently does not have an active maintainer (Adrian Chadd
has indicated that his priorities currently lie elsewhere), and as far as
I know, we have no applications in the ports tree that make use of IFS. 
This doesn't mean there aren't consumers of IFS, or no potential
maintainer, just that I don't know of them.  The UFS2 commit is going to
involve a fairly extensive overhaul of the FFS code, as well as having its
hands in the UFS tree.  Without an active maintainer and active consumers,
the IFS code is probably not something that can be maintained in the tree
over this sort of change.  I know Adrian had expressed the intent of axing
and re-implementing the current code in time for 5.0.  So... 

The question: Are you (or have you ever been **) an active maintainer or
consumer of the IFS code.  Will you notice if IFS evaporates from the
souce tree?  Unless we have a highly active maintainer who can fix the IFS
problems that will turn up with the UFS2 commit, it would probably be best
to simply remove it now.  Pending a healthy and lively volunteer on the
IFS front, I will do so immediately following the commit of UFS2. 

Robert N M Watson             FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project
robert@fledge.watson.org      NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services

* An interesting question that has not been answered experimentally (in a
  published form) is whether or not this continues to be an important
  performance optimization.  In the past, it has been, but the behavior of
  systems has changed substantially since the last such performance
  analysis I've seen.

** A member of the communist party.


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I have used IFS as a squid cache seeverla times ad I was in teh process
of evaluating it for a project at the moment.

I have not used it in the last year butI was planning on using it if my   
tests work..
(I am on vacation and thus the testing is suspended)

In my talks with Adrian last week in Perth he indicated that he is
preparing to return to FreeBSD within the next few weeks and resume
his work as squid maintainer as well..
(he was 'on sabatical' while moving house and starting university)

Julian



On Mon, 13 May 2002, Robert Watson wrote:

> 
> As many of you know, we have a number of "variants" on the UFS/FFS theme
> in src/sys/ufs.  In the past this has included mfs (now axed) and lfs (now
> axed).  Currently, the denizens are ufs, ffs, ifs, and ext2fs.  With the
> impending commit of a first draft of UFS2, we probably need to decide
> what's happening with each of these.  The topic of this e-mail is IFS.
> 
> IFS provides a "short circuit" to access the filestore mechanism defined
> in FFS.  It optimizes out the namespace for application services requiring
> a filestore, but providing their own namespace/meta-data, and not wanting
> to pay the cost of the filesystem namespace/meta-data service (either in
> time for synchronous operation, or memory for soft updates).  Typically,
> this type of filestore service is used for applications like Squid caches,
> or could be used for applications like Coda that provide the namespace as
> a pseudo-stack above the cache filestore.  In the past, services such as
> AFS have attempted to avoid paying the price of the namespace through
> calls such as iopen() or fhopen() (*).  IFS permits these applications to
> run cleanly above the filestore. 
> 
> However.  IFS currently does not have an active maintainer (Adrian Chadd
> has indicated that his priorities currently lie elsewhere), and as far as
> I know, we have no applications in the ports tree that make use of IFS. 
> This doesn't mean there aren't consumers of IFS, or no potential
> maintainer, just that I don't know of them.  The UFS2 commit is going to
> involve a fairly extensive overhaul of the FFS code, as well as having its
> hands in the UFS tree.  Without an active maintainer and active consumers,
> the IFS code is probably not something that can be maintained in the tree
> over this sort of change.  I know Adrian had expressed the intent of axing
> and re-implementing the current code in time for 5.0.  So... 
> 
> The question: Are you (or have you ever been **) an active maintainer or
> consumer of the IFS code.  Will you notice if IFS evaporates from the
> souce tree?  Unless we have a highly active maintainer who can fix the IFS
> problems that will turn up with the UFS2 commit, it would probably be best
> to simply remove it now.  Pending a healthy and lively volunteer on the
> IFS front, I will do so immediately following the commit of UFS2. 
> 
> Robert N M Watson             FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project
> robert@fledge.watson.org      NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services
> 
> * An interesting question that has not been answered experimentally (in a
>   published form) is whether or not this continues to be an important
>   performance optimization.  In the past, it has been, but the behavior of
>   systems has changed substantially since the last such performance
>   analysis I've seen.
> 
> ** A member of the communist party.
> 
> 
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On Tue, 14 May 2002, Julian Elischer wrote:

> I have used IFS as a squid cache seeverla times ad I was in teh process
> of evaluating it for a project at the moment.

Please let us know how that evaluation goes.  As I said, I've seen past
results (circa early 90's) that suggest this model can be highly effective
at reducing cost for namespace-free filestore environments, but given a
lack of more recent material evidence, it's hard to talk effectively about
IFS.

> I have not used it in the last year butI was planning on using it if my
> tests work..  (I am on vacation and thus the testing is suspended) 
> 
> In my talks with Adrian last week in Perth he indicated that he is
> preparing to return to FreeBSD within the next few weeks and resume his
> work as squid maintainer as well..  (he was 'on sabatical' while moving
> house and starting university)

My impression from my conversation with him was that if he did start
maintaining IFS again, it would be a re-implementation for 5.0.  I'm
concerned that in its current state, we will be unable to make progress on
UFS2.  So I think there are two alternatives: 

(1) We disconnect it from the build and let it rot in 5.0-CURRENT until he
    (or someone) fixes it, or that we determine that's not happening by
    5.0-RELEASE, and remove it.  This is pretty low-cost for us.

(2) We remove it from 5.0-CURRENT entirely until he re-adds it.  This is
    also low-cost for us.

Given the intent he expressed, I'd prefer (2) so we can make as much
progress on UFS2 as we can--given that IFS is highly "in bed" with UFS, it
may need re-implementing regardless.  If you're in closer contact with
Adrian, could you ping him on his time-table for restarting work on IFS? 
If he does plan on re-implementing, stripping from 5.0 doesn't hurt us (or
him), but it will facilitate UFS2 work, which in the long term will
benefit IFS as IFS can be updated to use the UFS2 implementation and the
abstraction improvements brought in.

Another thing to keep in mind here is that we'll be divorcing the ext2fs
bits from the UFS bits since UFS will decreasingly provide a useful
starting point for the ext2fs implementation.  It might be that using the
same strategy for IFS would also make sense.

Robert N M Watson             FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project
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Robert Watson wrote:
> My impression from my conversation with him was that if he did start
> maintaining IFS again, it would be a re-implementation for 5.0.  I'm
> concerned that in its current state, we will be unable to make progress on
> UFS2.

At first glance, I find this answer surprising.

I would think that the problems of externalizing UFS2 through the
existing system call interface (a VFS consumer limited to 32 bits
for everything but file offsets) would be exactly analogous to
externalizing it via NFSv3 (a VFS consumer limited to 32 bits for
almost everything, except the things where it's limited to 16 bits).

The IFS code conversion of inode numbers into files isn't, to my
mind, so significantly different from the conversion of NFS handles
into files, that I could see how you could fundamentally break one
without at least causing a lot of problems for the other.

In fact, since the on disk dirent and the system call exposed dirent
are only intentionally "coincidentally" equal... the same for the
stuctures used by getattr/setattr/stat... it should be possible to
implement a UFS2 in FreeBSD without really changing *any* of the
exposed interfaces seen by user space, except later, to get at UFS2
specific features, so the work could even be staged to reduce overall
risk.  Every FS that isn't FFS (and therefore doesn't "coincidently"
luck out) already does explicit conversions.  Breaking the historical
"coincidence" for a new FS seems to be a logical way of achieving
ABI/API compatability.

Please correct me if my logic is way off base.

-- Terry

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On Tue, 14 May 2002, Terry Lambert wrote:

> Robert Watson wrote:
> > My impression from my conversation with him was that if he did start
> > maintaining IFS again, it would be a re-implementation for 5.0.  I'm
> > concerned that in its current state, we will be unable to make progress on
> > UFS2.
> 
> At first glance, I find this answer surprising. 
> <... observations about exposing interfaces at various levels>
> In fact, since the on disk dirent and the system call exposed dirent are
> only intentionally "coincidentally" equal... the same for the stuctures
> used by getattr/setattr/stat... it should be possible to implement a
> UFS2 in FreeBSD without really changing *any* of the exposed interfaces
> seen by user space, except later, to get at UFS2 specific features, so
> the work could even be staged to reduce overall risk.  Every FS that
> isn't FFS (and therefore doesn't "coincidently"  luck out) already does
> explicit conversions.  Breaking the historical "coincidence" for a new
> FS seems to be a logical way of achieving ABI/API compatability. 
> 
> Please correct me if my logic is way off base. 

The problem is that IFS is highly "in bed" with FFS/UFS with respects to
the internal kernel interfaces.  Arguably, that's not actually a problem
except in the context if the current work, in fact :-).  The
implementation is small -- just over a thousand lines, and it largely
works by plugging into existing FFS functionality by either referring to
FFS or UFS vnode operations in its operation arrays, or by directly
hooking into FFS inode/file system structure details and interfaces so it
can generate directory information and invoke file system meta-data calls. 
The problem isn't at the userland interface, where (as you surmise) the
first step will simply be to use largely the same interfaces already
exposed, but in the inter-FFS/UFS interface layer, where there are
substantial changes in how UFS and FFS talk to each other.  It doesn't
seem to me that it would be all that "hard" to update IFS for the new
environment, but it will take someone willing to commit to doing the work.

As I said, there are really two options following the UFS2 commit: 
disconnect it from the build if the maintainer hasn't updated it yet, or
remove it until the maintainer replaces it.  If Adrian is willing to do
the work, that's great; if he's not, we'll need to find a maintainer. But
even if he is the maintainer, my impression from a conversation with him
is that he plans to reimplement it *anyway*, making removal of the current
IFS non-harmful during the "UFS2 is added but before IFS is replaced"
window.  In the event he does plan to "start from" the current code, it
will all still be there in the Attic where it can be easily recovered
(some files never die...).  Another choice would be for the maintainer to
do what is being done from ext2fs: divorce it from the UFS implementation
entirely, so that it does get mixed up in the UFS/FFS changes. 

Robert N M Watson             FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project
robert@fledge.watson.org      NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services




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Hi everyone,
  I have some problem on growfs. =20
  I test the growfs on FreeBSD4.5 release, I do the test according http:/=
/www.daemonnews.org/200111/growfs.html.
  On ad0s2:
Firstly:
  c:  8177085        0    unused        0     0         # (Cyl.    0 - 50=
8)
  e:  1024000        0    4.2BSD     2048 16384    16   # (Cyl.    0 - 12=
7*)
Secondly:
  c:  8177085        0    unused        0     0         # (Cyl.    0 - 50=
8)
  e:  248000        0    4.2BSD     2048 16384    16   # (Cyl.    0 - 127=
*)
I think I modify slice size, so I needn't 'fdisk -u ad0'.
Then:
  I use growfs -s 2048000 /dev/ad0s2e;
The screen infor:
We strongly recommend you to make a backup before growing the Filesystem
 Did you backup your data (Yes/No) ? no   /*I enter yes also, but the res=
ult is the same*/
Nothing done

Then, I fsck and re-mount the partition, the df shows me the same size as=
 516M. Nothing happen.:(
Best Regards
Ouyang Kai=B4=D3=CD=F8=D5=BE=B5=C3=B5=BD=B8=FC=B6=E0=D0=C5=CF=A2=A1=A3MSN=
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DIV> <DIV>&nbsp; I have some problem on growfs. </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp; I test=
 the growfs on FreeBSD4.5 release, I do the test according <A href=3D"htt=
p://www.daemonnews.org/200111/growfs.html">http://www.daemonnews.org/2001=
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g done<BR></DIV> <DIV>Then, I fsck and re-mount the partition, the df sho=
ws me the same size as 516M. Nothing happen.:(<BR>Best Regards<BR>Ouyang =
Kai</DIV></BODY></HTML><br clear=3Dall><hr>=B4=D3=CD=F8=D5=BE=B5=C3=B5=BD=
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G-020¸¶¢Ã  Adobe Photoshop v6.0 (Æ÷Åä¼¥457MB-¿µ¹®)   2¸¸¿ø

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G-021¶ó¢Ã ADOBE Premiere(ÇÁ¸®¹Ì¾î) V6.0     2¸¸¿ø

G-021¸¶¢Ã Adobe Premiere 6  (Á¤½ÄÇ®)         2CD  3¸¸¿ø

G-022¢Ã  Animatek`s World Builder V2.00.30       2CD  3¸¸¿ø

G-024¢Ã Animation Master99 v7.1  (c) Hash  

G-026¢Ã  Architecture Graphic Standard

G-027¢Ã  Arete Digital Nature Tools for Maya v1.02 for Win NT 

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G-030¢Ã  AURORIX V2.0 (after Effects  Plug-In)    

G-031¢Ã  Boris F/X  3.0.2 (after Effects Plug-In)  

G-032¢Ã  BRYCE(ºê¶óÀ̽º) 3D V3.1 [for Win95/NT3.5-4]       2¸¸¿ø

G-032³ª¢Ã Bryce 3D    4.0     2cd-3¸¸¿ø

G-032´Ù>Corel Bryce 5.0      2CD  3¸¸¿ø

G-033¢Ã  Cinema 4D XL + Cinema 4D v4.27 [for WIN95/NT]

G-034³ª¢Ã  Corel  Draw 9        3CD    3¸¸¿ø

G-034´Ù¢Ã  Corel Draw 10.0 	 3cd  5¸¸¿ø

G-034¶ó¢Ã   COREL DRAW v9.0 ÇÑ±Û    2¸¸¿ø

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G-035¢Ã  Corel DREAM 3D v8 [for Win95] 

G-035-1¢Ã  Corel Print House Magic Deluxe        2¸¸¿ø

G-089¢Ã   Corel Click & Create 2.11

G-090¢Ã   Corel VENTURA 8.0 (2CD)        3¸¸¿ø

G-094¢Ã Corel Knockout 2     -2¸¸¿ø

G-036¢Ã  Cosmopolitan virtual Make over v 1.1(400¿© ¸Þ°¡)     

G-087¢Ã CHARACTER STUDIO R3.0 (c)Diskreet   -2¸¸¿ø

G-037¢Ã  Disney Magic Artist      2¸¸¿ø

G-038¢Ã  LifeForms(¶óÀÌÇÁ Æû) 3.02     

G-039¢Ã  Elastic Reality 3.1     (C) Avid Technology, Inc (Á¤½Ä)       

G-040¢Ã  Extreem 3D V2.0 (Á¤½ÄÇ®) 

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G-042¢Ã  Houdini v2.5 Full (600M Ç®)    

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G-043¢Ã  MetaCreations  Infini-D V4.5 2¸¸¿ø

G-044¢Ã  Kai's photo soap 2 (Á¤½Ä)  

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G-045¢Ã   Kai's Power Show  (¿ÏÀüÁ¤½ÄÇ®)   

G-046³ª¢Ã  Kai's Power Tools V 6.0  (c)Matacreations      2¸¸¿ø

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G-047¢Ã   KPT VECTOR Effects V1.5 For Illustrator   

G-048¢Ã  kai's super goo  (Á¤½Ä)  

G-049¢Ã LightScape(¶óÀÌÆ®½ºÄÉÀÌÇÁ) V3.2     2¸¸¿ø

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G-050¶ó¢Ã  Lightwave 7.0   (c) Newtek   3¸¸¿ø

G-051¢Ã  LIGHT WAVE PLUG IN & UTIL    2¸¸¿ø (ȨÆäÀÌÁöÂüÁ¶)

G-052¢Ã  LivePix V2.0 Deluxe (c) LivePix

G-053¢Ã  FREEHAND  7.0 ÇÑ±Û    

G-053´Ù¢Ã MacroMedia FreeHand(ÇÁ¸®ÇÚµå) V9.0 

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G-058¢Ã  MS Photo Draw 2000 for Win95/98/NT 4.0 Service Pack 3 or later     3CD 5¸¸¿ø

G-059³ª¢Ã  MS Picture It 99 [for Win95/98/ NT4.0 or later] (Á¤½Ä)    2CD  3¸¸¿ø

G-059´Ù¢Ã  Picture It Publishing  2002                3cd  3¸¸¿ø

G-059¶ó¢Ã MS Picture It Photo Premium 2002 [2cd]   3¸¸¿ø

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G-061¢Ã  Painter 5.03    (Fractal Design »çÀ϶§)  

G-061³ª¢Ã   Metacreation Painter V6.0     2CD  4¸¸¿ø

G-061´Ù¢Ã  Painter 7 (c)Procreate (COREL)

G-063¢Ã  Photo Impact Mega Pack V4.0(Á¤½Ä)   (c)  Ulead       2CD   3¸¸¿ø

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G-064¢Ã  PHOTO SHOP PLUG -IN ¸ðÀ½        2¸¸¿ø(ȨÆäÀÌÁö ÂüÁ¶)

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G-066¢Ã PHOTOSHOP Learning CD ( ÇѱÛ)      

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G-075¢Ã   Phoenix tools RED CD for softimage3D 3.8(softimage plug-in)  3¸¸¿ø

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G-078¢Ã  Ulead Face Factory 1.0     

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G-083¢Ã  Metacreation Dance Studio v1.0         2¸¸¿ø

G-084¢Ã Avid Marquee v1.0   

G-085¢Ã  View Point      4cd  5¸¸¿ø

G-086¢Ã Realviz MatchMover 1.0   3¸¸¿ø

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L-025¶ó¢Ã Crystal Reports Professional 8.5                                   2¸¸¿ø

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T-006 ³ª¢Ã ADOBE PHOTODELUXE BUSINESS EDITION 1.0

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T-009¢Ã  Photo Bank(Æ÷Åä ¹ðÅ©) V1.0

T-010¢Ã  PhotoRecall Deluxe V2.0 [for Win 95/98/nt]  

T-011¢Ã  MGI photosuite II   V1.02         

T-012³ª¢Ã MGI Videowave lll        2CD  3¸¸¿ø (¼ö¹é¸Þ°¡ Á¤½ÄÇ®)

T-012´Ù¢Ã MGI VEDIO WAVE 5              2¸¸¿ø

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T-015¢Ã  Digital Fusion 2.13        2¸¸¿ø

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T-017³ª¢Ã    Discreet  EDIT  v6.0(317M Ç®)       3¸¸¿ø

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T-021³ª¢Ã   Director (µð·ºÅÍ) V8.0   (Á¤½Ä Ç®)       2¸¸¿ø

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T-026´Ù¢Ã Ulead Media Studio Pro 6.5          -2¸¸¿ø

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T-028¢Ã  MS Liquid Motion v1.0  

T-029¢Ã      Cold fusion Studio 4.0(Á¤½Ä)   (c)Allaire     2¸¸¿ø

T-029³ª¢Ã  Allaire Cold Fusion Server V5.0 Release Candidate    2¸¸¿ø

T-030³ª¢Ã  Net object fusion 4.0 (Á¤½ÄÇ®)   2¸¸¿ø

T-031¢Ã  Symantec Visual Page V2.0   

T-032¢Ã   Symantec Visual Cafe v2.5 [for Java for Win95/NT]     

T-032³ª¢Ã  Symantec Visual Cafe v3.0   2¸¸¿ø

T-033¶ó¢Ã  Visual Cafe for JAVA V4.0 Enterprise E~(Á¤½ÄÇ®) -WebGain Inc 2¸¸¿ø

T-034¢Ã   ÇÑ±Û Visio 5.0 Standard   

T-034³ª¢Ã Visio Enterprise 5.0  

T-034´Ù¢Ã  VISIO Technical  5.0 (ÇѱÛ)

T-035´Ù¢Ã  VISIO 2000 Enterprise Edition (2000³â ½ÅÇ°,Á¤½Ä Ç®¹öÁ¯)   2cd 3¸¸¿ø

T-035¶ó¢Ã  VISIO 2002     2¸¸¿ø

T-035¸¶¢Ã  MS Visio 2002 Professional (ÇѱÛ)    2¸¸¿ø

T-035¹Ù¢Ã MS Visio Professional 2002  SR1     2¸¸¿ø

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T-039¢Ã  Punch Super home suite (À¥Á¦ÀÛ°ü·Ã)    

T-040³ª¢Ã  MS Front Page 2000 Coperate Edition (1)/(2)     2CD 3¸¸¿ø

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T-040¶ó¢Ã  MS FrontPage 2002 Inside Out    2¸¸¿ø

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T-042¢Ã  Web page 5.0 (640¸Þ°¡)  (À¥ÆäÀÌÁö ÀúÀÛ Å°Æ®.)     

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T-043´Ù¢Ã  Namo WebEditor 5.0 (Ç®¹öÀü)   2¸¸¿ø

T-044¢Ã  ĬÅ×ÀÏ 98       2CD   3¸¸¿ø

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T-046¢Ã   Äíµµ( KUDO ) À̹ÌÁö ¸ðÀ½Áý..                 2¸¸¿ø

T-047¢Ã  Photodisc         -4CD    6¸¸¿ø

T-048¢Ã  American Fine Art & Illustration (c) Photodisc (½ÅÇ°! À̹ÌÁö ½Ãµð) - 2¸¸¿ø

T-049¢Ã  Pinnacle STUDIO(ÇdzªÅ¬ ½ºÆ©µð¿À) 7 Full Multilanguage        3¸¸¿ø

T-049³ª¢Ã  Pinnacle SYSTEM STUDIO  DV plus 1.1     3¸¸¿ø

T-049´Ù¢Ã Pinnacle System Impression DVD PRO SE v2.1       3¸¸¿ø

T-050¢Ã   Ulead DVD Movie Maker v1.0 (DVD Åø)  2¸¸¿ø

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   We have started a "ALTQ integration in FreeBSD" project which is
headed towards integrating Mr. Kejiro's ALTQ framework into FreeBSD
5.0-current (and perhaps 4-stable later). The FreeBSD Core Team has been
advised and we have received on principle approval. We are looking
for help with committing these bits to the CVS tree.

   Please have a look at the proposed ALTQ package for 5.0-current,
which is found here:

http://www.rofug.ro/projects/freebsd-altq/altq-freebsd-5.0-current-May14.tar.gz

   Installation details are found in the README file; for further
details consult the documentation referenced below. Please send us any
comments you have, your feedback is valuable.

   ALTQ integration implies some changes in the network drivers code and
in the design of the the network queues management. Here is a summary of
the ALTQ design document:

      The BSD systems need better output queueing abstraction to support
   packet scheduling (e.g., CBQ) or active queue management (e.g., RED).
   To introduce a new model, we need to convert the existing code to be
   conformant to the new model.  But the problem is that there are too
   many drivers to convert all at once.

      This is a proposal that allows incremental transition to the
   new model.  (If we are going to modify the existing drivers, we need
   to get it right.)
   The model is designed for ALTQ but it is general enough for other
   implementations so that we can make the driver conversion once and
   for all.

   The new model removes direct references to the fields
   within ifp->if_snd, and defines the following macros to manipulate
   ifp->if_snd:
           IFQ_ENQUEUE(ifq, m, err)
           IFQ_DEQUEUE(ifq, m)
           IFQ_POLL(ifq, m)
           IFQ_PURGE(ifq)
           IFQ_IS_EMPTY(ifq)
   The new model also enforces some rules regarding how to use these
   macros.

   Another requirement for a driver is to work under rate-limiting.
    - IFQ_DEQUEUE() could return NULL even when IFQ_IS_EMPTY() is FALSE
      under rate-limiting.  a driver should always check if (m == NULL).
    - a driver is supposed to call if_start from the tx complete
      interrupt under late-limiting (in order to trigger the next 
      dequeue).

   For most drivers, it is a simple task of replacing old-style lines by
   the corresponding new-style lines, and usually just a few lines need
   to be modified.  But some drivers need more than that.
   The old-style drivers still work with the original FIFO queue but
   they cannot take advantage of new queueing disciplines.

   For locking an output queue to support SMP, ALTQ uses the same model
   as in FreeBSD-5.0.  One restriction is that, if a driver uses
   poll-and-dequeue, the driver needs to explicitly lock the queue
   between the poll operation and the dequeue operation.


 You can find more details here:

  http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/person/kjc/kjc/software/altq-new-design.txt
  http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/person/kjc/kjc/software.html#ALTQ

   Current development is headed by Kenjiro Cho and myself. If you want
to join our efforts please subscribe to our mailing list by sending
"subscribe" in the body of a message to freebsd-altq-request@rofug.ro.

 Adrian Penisoara
 Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro, @rofug.ro)
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On Wed, May 15, 2002, Robert Watson wrote:

> As I said, there are really two options following the UFS2 commit: 
> disconnect it from the build if the maintainer hasn't updated it yet, or
> remove it until the maintainer replaces it.  If Adrian is willing to do
> the work, that's great; if he's not, we'll need to find a maintainer. But
> even if he is the maintainer, my impression from a conversation with him
> is that he plans to reimplement it *anyway*, making removal of the current
> IFS non-harmful during the "UFS2 is added but before IFS is replaced"
> window.  In the event he does plan to "start from" the current code, it
> will all still be there in the Attic where it can be easily recovered
> (some files never die...).  Another choice would be for the maintainer to
> do what is being done from ext2fs: divorce it from the UFS implementation
> entirely, so that it does get mixed up in the UFS/FFS changes. 

Kill it. I'll revisit it after the filesystem changes have settled down.

(Hi all :-)



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On Thu, 16 May 2002, Adrian Chadd wrote:

> On Wed, May 15, 2002, Robert Watson wrote:
> 
> > As I said, there are really two options following the UFS2 commit: 
> > disconnect it from the build if the maintainer hasn't updated it yet, or
> > remove it until the maintainer replaces it.  If Adrian is willing to do
> > the work, that's great; if he's not, we'll need to find a maintainer. But
> > even if he is the maintainer, my impression from a conversation with him
> > is that he plans to reimplement it *anyway*, making removal of the current
> > IFS non-harmful during the "UFS2 is added but before IFS is replaced"
> > window.  In the event he does plan to "start from" the current code, it
> > will all still be there in the Attic where it can be easily recovered
> > (some files never die...).  Another choice would be for the maintainer to
> > do what is being done from ext2fs: divorce it from the UFS implementation
> > entirely, so that it does get mixed up in the UFS/FFS changes. 
> 
> Kill it. I'll revisit it after the filesystem changes have settled down. 
> 
> (Hi all :-) 

Hey there Adrian!

Well, that was an easy answer.  :-)  Feel free to start doing the whole
commit thing again sometime, too :-)

Robert N M Watson             FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project
robert@fledge.watson.org      NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services



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Hello,

>    We have started a "ALTQ integration in FreeBSD" project which is
> headed towards integrating Mr. Kejiro's ALTQ framework into FreeBSD
> 5.0-current (and perhaps 4-stable later). The FreeBSD Core Team has been
> advised and we have received on principle approval. We are looking for
> help with committing these bits to the CVS tree.
Great. Do you have plans to merge OpenBSD's TCP_ECN stuff, committed
yesterday to the tree?

> Please have a look at the proposed ALTQ package for 5.0-current, which
> is found here:
> http://www.rofug.ro/projects/freebsd-altq/altq-freebsd-5.0-current-May14.tar.gz
Although I'm not a coder myself, I would also look for the way to patch
the "em" driver (if "gx" is already in the initial plan), because it
reportedly works better (for example I couldn't do NFS serving with UDP
packets bigger than the MTU with that, while the "em" driver works OK).

Thanks!
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Hi,

I'd like to poll arch for opinions on the attached patch.  Whilst 
I believe I've plugged all of the existing umask-type problems in 
-current (soon to be MFC'd re@ willing), it's usually better to be 
safe.

Cheers.
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retrieving revision 1.31
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Attila Nagy wrote:
> Although I'm not a coder myself, I would also look for the way to patch
> the "em" driver (if "gx" is already in the initial plan), because it
> reportedly works better (for example I couldn't do NFS serving with UDP
> packets bigger than the MTU with that, while the "em" driver works OK).

???

It *does* frag packets bigger than the MTU, right?

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Hello,

> > the "em" driver (if "gx" is already in the initial plan), because it
> > reportedly works better (for example I couldn't do NFS serving with UDP
> > packets bigger than the MTU with that, while the "em" driver works OK).
> It *does* frag packets bigger than the MTU, right?
netstat didn't show any errors regarding to that. If I used an NFS
readsize, smaller than the 1500 bytes MTU it worked (was slow, but
worked).
netstat's frag counters were increased.
I couldn't use tcpdump (I had no bpf support) to see what happens on the
wire...

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Attila Nagy wrote:
> > > the "em" driver (if "gx" is already in the initial plan), because it
> > > reportedly works better (for example I couldn't do NFS serving with UDP
> > > packets bigger than the MTU with that, while the "em" driver works OK).
> >
> > It *does* frag packets bigger than the MTU, right?
> 
> netstat didn't show any errors regarding to that. If I used an NFS
> readsize, smaller than the 1500 bytes MTU it worked (was slow, but
> worked).
> netstat's frag counters were increased.
> I couldn't use tcpdump (I had no bpf support) to see what happens on the
> wire...

Sending datagrams bigger than the MTU is a bad idea.

I would be real tempted to drop the packets and send "don't fragment"
ICMP responses to beat up anyone who abused UDP by sending larger
than the MTU.

I guess this is about Linux UDP NFS clients, in particular.

-- Terry

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> Attila Nagy wrote:
> > > > the "em" driver (if "gx" is already in the initial plan), because it
> > > > reportedly works better (for example I couldn't do NFS serving with UDP
> > > > packets bigger than the MTU with that, while the "em" driver works OK).
> > >
> > > It *does* frag packets bigger than the MTU, right?
> > 
> > netstat didn't show any errors regarding to that. If I used an NFS
> > readsize, smaller than the 1500 bytes MTU it worked (was slow, but
> > worked).
> > netstat's frag counters were increased.
> > I couldn't use tcpdump (I had no bpf support) to see what happens on the
> > wire...
> 
> Sending datagrams bigger than the MTU is a bad idea.
> 
> I would be real tempted to drop the packets and send "don't fragment"
> ICMP responses to beat up anyone who abused UDP by sending larger
> than the MTU.
> 
> I guess this is about Linux UDP NFS clients, in particular.

If this is the same "problem" nfs had all the years, then nobody is
violating the MTU. What was happening is this: NFS sends a big packet (for 
efficiency) and that gets fragmented by the ip layer and then sent as so
many back to back packets. If the card on the receiving could not receive
so many back to back packets and looses one or more, nfs will get stuck
retrying the same big packet and the same thing happening over and over.

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On Sat, 2002-05-18 at 18:53, Terry Lambert wrote:
> 
> Sending datagrams bigger than the MTU is a bad idea.
> 
> I would be real tempted to drop the packets and send "don't fragment"
> ICMP responses to beat up anyone who abused UDP by sending larger
> than the MTU.
> 
> I guess this is about Linux UDP NFS clients, in particular.

Eh?  Isn't the original, traditional and best NFS configuration 8k UDP
packets?

Sure worked fine that way on SunOS-4 those many years ago.  (On LANs, of
course.  No one does NFS over the internet.  I hope.)

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Hello,

> Sending datagrams bigger than the MTU is a bad idea.
It depends on what do you want to do with that NFS server :)
I want to get out from that several hundred megabits per second, so I
can't use <1500 bytes MTU.
Just for comparison:
when using <1500 bytes MTU (as close as possible to the limit) I can
achieve about 1-1.5 MBps throughput.
When using 32768 bytes MTU I can get around 190 Mbps out from a PIII 450.
(and only 190 Mbps because the two frontends have fast ethernet cards)
So why this is so bad? If the other end can keep up, it will increase
throughput.

BTW, the default UDP readsize is above 1500 bytes, so I couldn't use the
server with a simple NFS mount.
When I replaced the gx driver to em it just started to work. Now I am
using TCP and 32k readsize with 64k tcp.sendspace and recvspace (I could
nearly double the performance with setting these from the default values).

So I am happy with it, I just took a note that the gx driver has some
problems in these cases.

> I would be real tempted to drop the packets and send "don't fragment"
> ICMP responses to beat up anyone who abused UDP by sending larger than
> the MTU.
That's another point. I want performance :)

> I guess this is about Linux UDP NFS clients, in particular.
Nope, both the server and the client side is FreeBSD stable.

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Hello,

> If the card on the receiving could not receive so many back to back
> packets and looses one or more, nfs will get stuck retrying the same big
> packet and the same thing happening over and over.
Yep, but that's not my case. If this would be the problem, I guess
changing from gx to em wouldn't help me...

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Andrew Reilly wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-05-18 at 18:53, Terry Lambert wrote:
> > Sending datagrams bigger than the MTU is a bad idea.
> >
> > I would be real tempted to drop the packets and send "don't fragment"
> > ICMP responses to beat up anyone who abused UDP by sending larger
> > than the MTU.
> >
> > I guess this is about Linux UDP NFS clients, in particular.
> 
> Eh?  Isn't the original, traditional and best NFS configuration 8k UDP
> packets?
> 
> Sure worked fine that way on SunOS-4 those many years ago.  (On LANs, of
> course.  No one does NFS over the internet.  I hope.)

No.  TCP.  RPC over UDP is really a silly idea.  If you need
reliable delivery, then don't use a protocol with "unreliable"
as the first word of it's name.  8-).

In any case, the best UDP packet size is always "The largest possible
amount of data which fits in the MTU".  There's no retransmit timeout
to deal with incomplete fragment sets pending reassembly.

If you want to get technical, TCP also has a bug; in the move
from FIN-WAIT-1 to FIN-WAIT-2, there's an assumption of two
responses for a single request.  That's just intrinsically bad
protocol design.  The workaround is to pretend you didn't get
the first FIN, resend, and then either get re-ACK'ed, or get
an RST.  NT does this.  So did Paul Vixie's "Interceptor"
product (transparent proxy cache appliance using NetBSD).

Putting yourself in a situation where protocol bugs result in
effective attacks is, well, "a bad idea".

-- Terry

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Attila Nagy wrote:
> > Sending datagrams bigger than the MTU is a bad idea.
> 
> It depends on what do you want to do with that NFS server :)

Sure.  Maybe you want to use up it's mbufs by jamming the frag
reassembly queue for IP full of N-1 frags using 64K USP packets.


> I want to get out from that several hundred megabits per second, so I
> can't use <1500 bytes MTU.

NFS works over TCP for a reason.  TCP has sliding windows for a
reason.


> Just for comparison:
> when using <1500 bytes MTU (as close as possible to the limit) I can
> achieve about 1-1.5 MBps throughput.
> When using 32768 bytes MTU I can get around 190 Mbps out from a PIII 450.
> (and only 190 Mbps because the two frontends have fast ethernet cards)
> So why this is so bad? If the other end can keep up, it will increase
> throughput.

And you could get even better by getting rid of the request/response
turnaround stall by using TCP instead of UDP.  Rather than having a
packet overhead of latency per packet, you get two packet latencies
over an arbitrary number of packets (unless you hit the window size,
in which case, you probably needed to have a larger window.

> BTW, the default UDP readsize is above 1500 bytes, so I couldn't use the
> server with a simple NFS mount.
> When I replaced the gx driver to em it just started to work. Now I am
> using TCP and 32k readsize with 64k tcp.sendspace and recvspace (I could
> nearly double the performance with setting these from the default values).
> 
> So I am happy with it, I just took a note that the gx driver has some
> problems in these cases.

Most traffic is supposed to be at the MTU.  You want to avoid
fragging.  The only reason you want fragging in the UDP case is
so you can pretend you have a window, without having to use a
windowing protocol: you use the fragment reassembly queue as a
window buffer.

This really only gives you an amortization of 32K/MTU (maximum),
and you still have stalls every N packets, which you would not
get with a windowed protocol.


> > I would be real tempted to drop the packets and send "don't fragment"
> > ICMP responses to beat up anyone who abused UDP by sending larger than
> > the MTU.
> 
> That's another point. I want performance :)

Then don't add the fragment reassmbly code to the code path for
packets you send to the server.  That way you'll have less overhead.

8-).


> > I guess this is about Linux UDP NFS clients, in particular.
> 
> Nope, both the server and the client side is FreeBSD stable.

I run all my NFS over TCP.  If I avoid intentionally triggering
fragmentation, it works out to a little over 100 machine
instructions in the fast path.  Done any cycle counting on your
use of UDP yet?

-- Terry

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Attila Nagy wrote:
> > If the card on the receiving could not receive so many back to back
> > packets and looses one or more, nfs will get stuck retrying the same big
> > packet and the same thing happening over and over.
> 
> Yep, but that's not my case. If this would be the problem, I guess
> changing from gx to em wouldn't help me...

The really cool thing is that this means I can shout on the wire at
the right time, cause a collision, and effectively stace an undetectable
denial of service attack against your servers, by making it drop large
UDP datagrams IP frags.

Way to open yourself up to attack!

-- Terry

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Does anyone know if kernel profiling is working in FreeBSD 5.0DP?

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Terry Lambert wrote:
> No.  TCP.  RPC over UDP is really a silly idea.  If you need
> reliable delivery, then don't use a protocol with "unreliable"
> as the first word of it's name.  8-).

The U in UDP is for "User". See RFC768.

NFS over UDP works just fine in the majority of cases, and for slow 
receivers (the problem John Hay described), there's TCP mounts.

Lars
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Terry Lambert wrote:
> The really cool thing is that this means I can shout on the wire at
> the right time, cause a collision, and effectively stace an undetectable
> denial of service attack against your servers, by making it drop large
> UDP datagrams IP frags.

This "attack" works against any other protocol as well, including TCP. 
If you can create collisions "at the right time", you can disable all 
retransmission schemes. The kicker is - how?

Lars
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