From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 28 1:55:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D75B37B405 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 01:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lungfish.ntlworld.com ([80.4.0.215]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020428085548.EDIC20036.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@lungfish.ntlworld.com>; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 09:55:48 +0100 Received: from tuatara.goatsucker.org (tuatara.goatsucker.org [192.168.1.6]) by lungfish.ntlworld.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3S8tlV94820; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 09:55:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scott@tuatara.goatsucker.org) Received: (from scott@localhost) by tuatara.goatsucker.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3S8tlB19420; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 09:55:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scott) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 09:55:47 +0100 From: Scott Mitchell To: groggy11@mail.com Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bad isp - dns Message-ID: <20020428095547.E296@fishballoon.dyndns.org> References: <200204280309.g3S39An58790@groggy.anc.acsalaska.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200204280309.g3S39An58790@groggy.anc.acsalaska.net>; from groggy11@mail.com on Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 03:09:11AM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 03:09:11AM +0000, groggy11@mail.com wrote: > this is a problem in regards to FreeBSD maillists. > FBSD maillists do a DNS lookup on any host sending > email. my ISP refuses to pass on DNS queries to > my server, so clients on my network cannot > have their name->number mappings answered. > > i have had this problem for years, and > the ISP is the major telephone/communications > company for the city. i don't guess i have any > "rights" to force them to pass on DNS queries > to my server - so what can i do??? Route your mail through your ISP's SMTP server? You're paying for it, so you may as well use it. Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | "Eagles may soar, but weasels Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines" scott.mitchell@mail.com | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 28 2:20: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFAD37B419 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 02:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0003.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.3] helo=mindspring.com) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 171kqP-0001iK-00; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 02:19:45 -0700 Message-ID: <3CCBBE90.875EA3CB@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 02:19:12 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: groggy11@mail.com Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bad isp - dns References: <200204280309.g3S39An58790@groggy.anc.acsalaska.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org groggy11@mail.com wrote: > this is a problem in regards to FreeBSD maillists. > FBSD maillists do a DNS lookup on any host sending > email. my ISP refuses to pass on DNS queries to > my server, so clients on my network cannot > have their name->number mappings answered. > > i have had this problem for years, and > the ISP is the major telephone/communications > company for the city. i don't guess i have any > "rights" to force them to pass on DNS queries > to my server - so what can i do??? > > (besides change ISPs, there are various reasons > why that is an unacceptable solution). I guess you must be talking about reverse delegations, since forward delegations for authority for DNS servers is based on the domain registration. My suggestion would be to select one of: o Get a forwarding account that uses SMTP AUTH for outbound mail relay by paying someone else for the service o Convince your ISP to do the delegation o Relay all your outbound email through your ISP's SMTP server that's there for normal relay for their normal clients -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 28 7:28:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E8A37B405 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 07:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #7) id 171pfK-000GwC-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:28:38 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g3SEScw29475 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:28:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:28:37 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Can EULA's stop competition from *nix? Message-ID: <20020428152837.A29453@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-Scanner: exiscan *171pfK-000GwC-00*gRza1acgU/c* (Manchester Computing, University of Manchester) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here's a great article a friend sent me: http://www.itweek.co.uk/News/1131114 Samba outperforms Win2k, and is easier to manage besides. This is, of course, no major surprise. However, do you think the recent EULA's from MS will be able to (enforcably) stop Samba and other *nix tools from competing? NOTE: Please CC me, as I am not currently subscribed. Thanks. jm -- My other computer is your windows box. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 28 8:44:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from postino4.int.prima.com.ar (postino4.prima.com.ar [200.42.0.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D2837B404; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc (host18.200-43-174.telecom.net.ar [200.43.174.18] (may be forged)) by postino4.int.prima.com.ar (8.11.5/8.11.5) with SMTP id g3SEftI49989; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:42:00 -0300 (ART) Message-ID: <009501c1eec5$bf10c5c0$6e30fea9@pc> From: "RoosterStone" To: Subject: oportunidades hay pocas, vos decidis Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:41:48 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008D_01C1EEA9.B154E860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C1EEA9.B154E860 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_008E_01C1EEA9.B15E1020" ------=_NextPart_001_008E_01C1EEA9.B15E1020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 Estimado =20 =20 En primer lugar, nuestro club es una empresa formada por = personas con los mismos objetivos e ilusiones. Somos personas que = queremos teletrabajar, por que sabemos todo lo que este tipo de trabajo = nos puede suponer, tanto en calidad de vida como en ingresos, adem=E1s = de ser personas que nos gusta todo el entorno de Internet.=20 =20 Nuestro club, esta pensado para recibir dos tipos de = ingresos, por un lado tenemos anunciadas en nuestras webs, empresas que = pagan por navegar, es decir por ver anuncios en un visor mientras = utilizas internet. Ej. Digital public paga 80 pts la hora de = utilizaci=F3n. (AFILIADOS BETA Y ALFA)=20 =20 Por otro lado esta la actividad que propone el club, que la = desarrollaremos mientras utilizamos visores y a la vez, generamos = ingresos dobles. Nuestro club tiene creado un software propio y = exclusivo para la red Hispana, y necesitamos personas o distribuidores = que nos ayuden a dar a conocer nuestro producto. Por esta segunda = actividad tambi=E9n recibir=E1s unos ingresos bastante altos, basados = en una matriz forzada de 3*8, la forma de pago m=E1s beneficiosa para = nuestros empleados y que garantizar=E1 ingresos fijos y crecientes. = (AFILIADOS ALFA)=20 =20 Te comento que hoy por hoy, el software que ha creado el = club de afiliados.com es =FAnico en la red hispana, tanto por su = completo contenido como por sus actualizaciones que ser=E1n constantes. = Este software consta de programas y de informaci=F3n continua y puntera, = todo ello para garantizar el trabajo de nuestros teletrabajadores.=20 Adem=E1s la forma de trabajar en el club, es lo m=E1s = parecido a una empresa de la calle, por el tratamiento que tenemos con = nuestros empleados, que ser=E1 constante, personal y con ayuda desde los = comienzos para ense=F1ar a realizar este tipo de trabajo, adem=E1s de la = seriedad y responsabilidad a la hora de efectuar nuestros pagos a los = trabajadores.=20 =20 El software del Club esta automatizado para la venta del = producto, desde la presentaci=F3n del mismo, hasta el env=EDo de = comisiones por ventas, dejando una m=EDnima y sencilla tarea al = teletrabajador.=20 =20 Te resalto que es una empresa de reciente creaci=F3n y las = posibilidades de integrar puestos importantes en nuestra empresa, son = verdaderas, dependiendo la seriedad con la que realices este trabajo.=20 =20 Ahora te emplazo a que conozcas nuestra empresa a trav=E9s = de las webs que hemos creado para ello.=20 http://www.clubdeafiliados.com/web.asp?asociado=3D2561 Te recuerdo que nuestra empresa, es totalmente diferente a = las ya existentes en la red, porque no es ninguna adaptaci=F3n de un = programa americano para la red hispana, y por el tratamiento personal y = de ayuda hac=EDa nuestros trabajadores.=20 =20 Aunque trabajes en Internet, y no podamos verte, estaremos = en permanente comunicaci=F3n para ayudarnos mutuamente en nuestro = trabajo.=20 =20 Si tienes cualquier duda o consulta, contacta de nuevo con = nosotros.=20 =20 http://www.clubdeafiliados.com/web.asp?asociado=3D2561 =20 = http://www.clubdeafiliados.com/centronegocios/centro.asp?asociado=3D2561 Un nuevo concepto del Teletrabajo con un=20 programa pensado para sus asociados =A1 Ahora todo esto est=E1 a tu alcance ! Trabaja desde tu hogar en una actividad muy rentable Para cualquier duda o pregunta, consultame de nuevo. Atentamente, gabriela gallardo id 2561 jackox@tutopia.com =20 Todos los derechos reservados ClubdeAfiliados.com=20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_001_008E_01C1EEA9.B15E1020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 

 

 
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 =20

Estimado

 

 

En primer lugar, = nuestro club=20 es una empresa formada por personas con los mismos objetivos = e=20 ilusiones. Somos personas que queremos teletrabajar, por que = sabemos  todo = lo que=20 este tipo de trabajo nos puede suponer, tanto en calidad de = vida=20 como en ingresos, adem=E1s de ser personas que nos gusta = todo el=20 entorno de Internet.

 

Nuestro club, esta pensado para recibir dos = tipos de=20 ingresos, por un lado tenemos anunciadas = en=20 nuestras webs, empresas que pagan por navegar, es decir por = ver=20 anuncios en un visor mientras utilizas internet. Ej. Digital = public=20 paga 80 pts la hora de utilizaci=F3n. (AFILIADOS BETA Y = ALFA)=20

  =

Por otro lado esta = la actividad=20 que propone el club, que la desarrollaremos mientras = utilizamos=20 visores y a la vez, generamos ingresos dobles. Nuestro club = tiene=20 creado un software propio y exclusivo para =20 la red Hispana, y necesitamos personas o = distribuidores que=20 nos ayuden a dar a conocer nuestro producto. Por esta = segunda=20 actividad tambi=E9n =20 recibir=E1s unos ingresos bastante altos, basados en = una matriz=20 forzada de 3*8, =20 la forma de pago m=E1s beneficiosa para nuestros = empleados y=20 que =20 garantizar=E1 ingresos fijos y crecientes. (AFILIADOS = ALFA)

 =20

Te comento que hoy = por hoy, el=20 software que ha creado el club de afiliados.com es =FAnico = en la red=20 hispana, tanto por su completo contenido como por sus=20 actualizaciones que ser=E1n constantes. Este software consta = de=20 programas y de informaci=F3n continua y puntera, todo ello = para=20 garantizar el trabajo de nuestros teletrabajadores.=20

Adem=E1s la forma de = trabajar en el=20 club, es lo m=E1s parecido a una empresa de la calle, por el = tratamiento que tenemos con nuestros empleados, que ser=E1 = constante,=20 personal y con ayuda desde los comienzos para ense=F1ar a = realizar=20 este tipo de trabajo, adem=E1s de la seriedad y = responsabilidad a la=20 hora de efectuar nuestros pagos a los trabajadores.=20

 =20

El software del Club esta = automatizado =20 para la venta del producto, desde la presentaci=F3n = del mismo,=20 hasta el env=EDo de comisiones por ventas, dejando una = m=EDnima y=20 sencilla tarea al teletrabajador. =

 =20

Te resalto que es = una empresa de=20 reciente creaci=F3n y las posibilidades de integrar puestos=20 importantes en nuestra empresa, son verdaderas, dependiendo = la=20 seriedad con la que realices este trabajo.=20

 =20

Ahora te emplazo a = que conozcas=20 nuestra empresa a trav=E9s de las webs que hemos creado para = ello.=20

 

 http://www.clubdeafiliados.com/web.asp?asociado=3D2561

 

Te recuerdo que=20 nuestra empresa, es totalmente diferente a las ya existentes = en la=20 red, porque no es ninguna adaptaci=F3n de un programa = americano para=20 la red hispana, y por =20 el tratamiento personal y de ayuda hac=EDa nuestros=20 trabajadores. =

 =20

Aunque trabajes en Internet, y = no=20 podamos verte, estaremos en permanente comunicaci=F3n para = ayudarnos=20 mutuamente en nuestro trabajo.=20

 =20

Si tienes cualquier duda o = consulta,=20 contacta de nuevo con nosotros.=20

 =20

 

http://www.clubdeafiliados.com/centronegocios/centro.asp?= asociado=3D2561
      Un = nuevo concepto=20 del Teletrabajo con un=20

programa pensado para sus=20 asociados

=A1 Ahora=20 todo esto est=E1 a tu alcance !

Trabaja=20 desde tu hogar en una actividad muy = rentable

 

Para cualquier=20 duda o pregunta, consultame de nuevo.

Atentamente,

gabriela gallardo id = 2561

jackox@tutopia.com

Todos los=20 derechos reservados  = ClubdeAfiliados.com=20

 

 

 

 

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mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 28 10: 3:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5996D37B400 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27847; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:01:41 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook may make your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020428110036.0242a590@nospam.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@nospam.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:01:35 -0600 To: j mckitrick , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Can EULA's stop competition from *nix? In-Reply-To: <20020428152837.A29453@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I doubt that terms prohibiting the use of competitive products are enforceable. --Brett At 08:28 AM 4/28/2002, j mckitrick wrote: >Here's a great article a friend sent me: > >http://www.itweek.co.uk/News/1131114 > >Samba outperforms Win2k, and is easier to manage besides. This is, of >course, no major surprise. However, do you think the recent EULA's from >MS will be able to (enforcably) stop Samba and other *nix tools from >competing? > >NOTE: Please CC me, as I am not currently subscribed. Thanks. > >jm >-- >My other computer is your windows box. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 28 10:47: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wensleydale.netmonger.net (wensleydale.netmonger.net [167.206.208.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF2737B41E; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 10:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dna.masto.com (ool-18b84ad7.dyn.optonline.net [24.184.74.215]) (AUTH: LOGIN chris@retardix.com, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,168bits,DES-CBC3-SHA) by wensleydale.netmonger.net with esmtp; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:43:16 -0400 Received: (from chris@localhost) by dna.masto.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3SHjKZ31710; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:45:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@masto.com) X-Authentication-Warning: dna.masto.com: chris set sender to chris@masto.com using -f Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:45:20 -0400 From: Christopher Masto To: Nik Clayton Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IMAP server recommendations Message-ID: <20020428174520.GA31570@netmonger.net> References: <20020424074820.K30474@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020424074820.K30474@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 07:48:20AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > How do, > > I'm in need of an IMAP server. I have sendmail calling procmail to deliver to Maildirs, and Courier IMAP to access them. Also Courier sqwebmail for "on the road". I once tried the Courier SMTP server and found it inadequately configurable. The author has very strong opinions about the way things must be done, and any attempt to do otherwise is treated with contempt. I do like the IMAP server, though, and Maildirs are very fast. All you need is to do is end your procmail rule with ".folder/" instead of "folder", and voila. -- "Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, What should be the reward of such sacrifices? ... If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom -- go from us in peace. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you." -- Samuel Adams, 1776 CB461C61 8AFC E3A8 7CE5 9023 B35D C26A D849 1F6E CB46 1C61 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 28 11:11:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from server2.highperformance.net (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27AE37B416 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server2.highperformance.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g3SIAlBl019566 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:10:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:10:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: How much PAM is enough? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was wondering what kind of implementation of PAM and native FreeBSD authentication folks use. Specifically, it seems that one can use various PAM modules to supplant various FreeBSD functionalities. For example, there exists a module "pam_nologin". Why would I want to use a PAM module when FreeBSD supports this natively? So I have concluded that my pam.d config will add only those modules needed to incorporate special functionalities. For example, I have included pam_krb5 port to work with the MIT kerberos port. I will add pam_ldap soon. It seems to me that one should be able to provide authentication with 4-6 modules in the stack. On the net I see examples of many modules in the stack. What is your opinion on the matter? Is FreeBSD moving farther down the PAM path and away from standard unix authentication? It would seem so. Thanks, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 28 11:25:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com (12-234-90-219.client.attbi.com [12.234.90.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4815F37B41F for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from master.gorean.org (sygxwnhetrhciyp5@master.gorean.org [10.0.0.2]) by 12-234-22-238.client.attbi.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g3SIPSQ9088180; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:25:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by master.gorean.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g3S5sg3m061138; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:54:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: master.gorean.org: doug owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:54:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton X-X-Sender: doug@master.gorean.org To: groggy11@mail.com Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: bad isp - dns In-Reply-To: <200204280309.g3S39An58790@groggy.anc.acsalaska.net> Message-ID: <20020427225352.A60035-100000@master.gorean.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 groggy11@mail.com wrote: > this is a problem in regards to FreeBSD maillists. > FBSD maillists do a DNS lookup on any host sending > email. my ISP refuses to pass on DNS queries to > my server, so clients on my network cannot > have their name->number mappings answered. > > i have had this problem for years, and > the ISP is the major telephone/communications > company for the city. i don't guess i have any > "rights" to force them to pass on DNS queries > to my server - so what can i do??? Use nat so that the outside world only sees one IP that has proper forward and reverse mapping. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 28 11:33: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B25537B416 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 83A535346; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 20:32:54 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How much PAM is enough? References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 28 Apr 2002 20:32:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jason C. Wells" writes: > For example, there exists a module "pam_nologin". Why would I want to use > a PAM module when FreeBSD supports this natively? Because pam_nologin *is* how FreeBSD supports /etc/nologin. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 28 11:46:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from server2.highperformance.net (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547A437B41D for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server2.highperformance.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g3SIk3Bl021684; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:46:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@highperformance.net) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 11:46:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcw@server2.highperformance.net To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How much PAM is enough? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 28 Apr 2002, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > "Jason C. Wells" writes: > > For example, there exists a module "pam_nologin". Why would I want to use > > a PAM module when FreeBSD supports this natively? > > Because pam_nologin *is* how FreeBSD supports /etc/nologin. It does? Pam_nologin doesn't appear in the default /etc/pam.conf. There must be more to PAM than is readily apparent from the config files. (BTW, I happened across your message in the archives that showed the -CURRENT is using pam.d now. I expect -STABLE to do so soon, so I have adjusted my config.) Thanks, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 28 12:18:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FD137B404 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 415CF5346; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:18:48 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How much PAM is enough? References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 28 Apr 2002 21:18:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jason C. Wells" writes: > On 28 Apr 2002, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Because pam_nologin *is* how FreeBSD supports /etc/nologin. > It does? Pam_nologin doesn't appear in the default /etc/pam.conf. There > must be more to PAM than is readily apparent from the config files. It does in -CURRENT. > (BTW, I happened across your message in the archives that showed the > -CURRENT is using pam.d now. I expect -STABLE to do so soon, so I have > adjusted my config.) No, I will not MFC any of my PAM work. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 28 12:21:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wensleydale.netmonger.net (wensleydale.netmonger.net [167.206.208.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4456737B419 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 12:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dna.masto.com (ool-18b84ad7.dyn.optonline.net [24.184.74.215]) (AUTH: LOGIN chris@retardix.com, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,168bits,DES-CBC3-SHA) by wensleydale.netmonger.net with esmtp; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:17:34 -0400 Received: (from chris@localhost) by dna.masto.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3SJJcG31974; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:19:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@masto.com) X-Authentication-Warning: dna.masto.com: chris set sender to chris@masto.com using -f Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:19:38 -0400 From: Christopher Masto To: "Jeremy C. Reed" Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mailing list comparisons? Message-ID: <20020428191938.GB31570@netmonger.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 09:44:22AM -0700, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > I am looking for a mailing list: If you're still working on your summary, we've been using Sympa for a while to run quite a few lists. I have some answers and comments. > - manage via email (web-based management not required) Yes. > - users aren't forced to use a password to unsubscribe Probably. (Configurable, but not a configuration I use.) > - detect hard bounces and unsubscribe as needed Sort of. This works for welcome and reminder messages, but the actual list messages don't use unique bounce addresses. They _are_ collected, analyzed, and summarized through the web interface, but sometimes the software can't identify the bouncing address. > - has a reasonable good track record of non-security issues. I don't think it's well-known enough to have been thoroughly looked at from a security standpoint. At a minimum, it doesn't have any obvious gaping problems. > - lightweight, but perl is okay (that doesn't make sense :) Sympa is written in Perl. Comments: Sympa is from France. While it is designed with localization built in, the current English translations are not very good. (I wish I had the time to fix them.) While it seems extremely stable and quite efficient once running, I always have to fix a couple of problems to get it running. The code is quite messy and not well organized (lots of copy-and-paste -- I've noticed that when fixing bugs, I often have to fix the same bug for each command). We got into Sympa mainly because I had a huge grudge against Majordomo. I don't know what I'd choose now -- I don't like Mailman, I very much dislike ezmlm, and I haven't explored Majordomo 2. One thing recent versions of Sympa have is a fairly complete web interface. Although you can do all the normal things via e-mail, the web frontend is nice for relative newbies. It includes virtually all list configuration, moderation, etc. You can still edit the config files by hand. -- "Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, What should be the reward of such sacrifices? ... If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom -- go from us in peace. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you." -- Samuel Adams, 1776 CB461C61 8AFC E3A8 7CE5 9023 B35D C26A D849 1F6E CB46 1C61 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 28 16:29:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from groggy.anc.acsalaska.net (groggy.anc.acsalaska.net [208.151.119.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED33037B42F for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from abc@localhost) by groggy.anc.acsalaska.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3SNSih60070 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 23:28:44 GMT (envelope-from groggy11@mail.com) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 23:28:44 GMT From: groggy11@mail.com Message-Id: <200204282328.g3SNSih60070@groggy.anc.acsalaska.net> X-Authentication-Warning: groggy.anc.acsalaska.net: abc set sender to groggy11@mail.com using -f Subject: Re: bad isp - dns X-Mailer: Umail v2.3 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > this is a problem in regards to FreeBSD maillists. > > > FBSD maillists do a DNS lookup on any host sending > > > email. my ISP refuses to pass on DNS queries to > > > my server, so clients on my network cannot > > > have their name->number mappings answered. > > > > > > i have had this problem for years, and > > > the ISP is the major telephone/communications > > > company for the city. i don't guess i have any > > > "rights" to force them to pass on DNS queries > > > to my server - so what can i do??? > > > > Use nat so that the outside world only sees one IP that has proper forward > > and reverse mapping. i do use "user ppp" -nat. i don't understand fully. i would guess that the freebsd mailserver checks the mail headers, or the smtp server trying to send, and i don't see how nat affects this? thanks, please Cc off list. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 28 17:53:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B2E37B41C for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0509.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.254] helo=mindspring.com) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 171zPi-000369-00; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:53:10 -0700 Message-ID: <3CCC9958.C1D60BBD@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 17:52:40 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: groggy11@mail.com Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bad isp - dns References: <200204282328.g3SNSih60070@groggy.anc.acsalaska.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org groggy11@mail.com wrote: > > > Use nat so that the outside world only sees one IP that has proper forward > > > and reverse mapping. > > i do use "user ppp" -nat. > i don't understand fully. > i would guess that the freebsd > mailserver checks the mail headers, > or the smtp server trying to send, > and i don't see how nat affects this? example.com ,-------. | other | | host | `-------' IP #2 | ,-------. | NAT | | host | `-------' IP #1 | ---+----------------------+---- Internet | ,-------. | mail | | host | `-------' mail.example.com. A IP #2 gateway.example.com. A IP #1 IP #2.in-addr.arpa. some.bogus.reverse.delegation IP #1.in-addr.arpa. gateway.example.com. He's saying that the NAT machine has a valid reverse address record (one that matches the forward name). Because IP #2 is NAT'ed to IP #1, and you set the Cw on "other host" to be "gateway.example.com", then the: gethostbyaddr(getpeername()) :== gethostbyname() Which passes the crosscheck, and lets you send mail. It assumes that the forward and reverse addresses will match. The current failure of your email server is that the forward and reverse do not match. His suggestion *assumes* that the NAT machine's IP address has a valid reverse mapping configured. Setting the ISP mail server as your "SMART_HOST()" in your sendmail configuration would also guarantee that all email is relayed through the outbound mail server for your ISP. This assumes that your ISP, though too stupid to be able to set your DNS records properly, is smart enough to set their own DNS records properly (i.e. they are pervesely and selectively stupid, rather than simply generally stupid and/or incompetent and/or lazy). Another possibility is to have your forward address match your reverse address... e.g. whatever the ISP has as the reverse, make sure that there is a forward record that matches it. This is unlikely to work, since the most common problem is that your ISP simply failed to set up reverse records at all, rather than failing to set up correct reverse records for static delegations. If that's not the case, though, then you need to look up the reverse record, and find the canonical host name there, and then find whoever owns the DNS server for the reverse name (probably the ISP), and make sure they have a matching forward record for it. If your ISP is too stupid to do that, and too stupid to set up their own forward and reverse records correctly, well, then there is always the approach I already suggested: pay some third party to provide SMTP AUTH based relay services for your mail server, and implement SMTP AUTH to the relay server from your internal mail server. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 29 6: 3:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from atreides.freenix.no (atreides.freenix.no [212.33.142.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B243337B404 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 06:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from morten@localhost) by atreides.freenix.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3TD3cN83028; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:03:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from morten) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:03:38 +0200 From: "Morten A. Middelthon" To: Kris Kirby Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Turned off by FreeBSD daemons Message-ID: <20020429150338.B75758@freenix.no> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020423134357.02259dc0@nospam.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from kris@catonic.net on Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 04:21:18AM +0000 X-PGP-Key: http://freenix.no/~morten/pgp.txt X-PGP-Key-FingerPrint: 20 40 7A 47 1E A0 BF CF 61 BB CD 9D B3 AD CF E2 D4 90 C3 8D X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE-p3 X-Warning: So cunning you could brush your teeth with it. Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Apr 27, 2002 at 04:21:18AM +0000, Kris Kirby wrote: > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Brett Glass wrote: > > Not to mention the Data General Nova ("No va" means "It doesn't > > work" in both French and Spanish). > > Hrm. "Chevy Nova". :) Speaking of car names, Honda was talking about naming their newest car "Fitta", which in Norwegian is slang for a certain female reproductive organ. -- Morten A. Middelthon Freenix Norge http://www.freenix.no/ -- "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. -- H.L. Mencken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 29 8:51:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from vienna9.his.com (vienna9.his.com [216.200.68.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 863E237B405 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.8] (root@LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by vienna9.his.com (8.11.6/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g3TFp5T08874; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20020429150338.B75758@freenix.no> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020423134357.02259dc0@nospam.lariat.org> <20020429150338.B75758@freenix.no> X-Grok: +++ath X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=black; TextColor=black Reply-By: Wed, 1 Jan 1984 12:34:56 +0100 X-Message-Flag: Your copy of Outlook will expire in 3 days. Please contact Microsoft about purchasing a new license. Remember: software piracy is a felony! Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:51:58 +0200 To: "Morten A. Middelthon" , Kris Kirby From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Turned off by FreeBSD daemons Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 3:03 PM +0200 2002/04/29, Morten A. Middelthon wrote: > Speaking of car names, Honda was talking about naming their newest car > "Fitta", which in Norwegian is slang for a certain female reproductive organ. Wouldn't that make it one of the most popular cars in all of the countries where Norwegian is spoken? ;-) -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 29 8:58:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ucan.foad.org (ucan.foad.org [64.173.36.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F50137B417 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pde@localhost) by ucan.foad.org (foad/FOAD2.0) id g3TFwcm20455 for chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:58:38 -0700 From: Pete Ehlke To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Turned off by FreeBSD daemons Message-ID: <20020429085838.A23056@ehlke.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020423134357.02259dc0@nospam.lariat.org> <20020429150338.B75758@freenix.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from brad.knowles@skynet.be on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 04:51:58PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 04:51:58PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 3:03 PM +0200 2002/04/29, Morten A. Middelthon wrote: > > > Speaking of car names, Honda was talking about naming their newest car > > "Fitta", which in Norwegian is slang for a certain female reproductive organ. > > Wouldn't that make it one of the most popular cars in all of the > countries where Norwegian is spoken? ;-) > Heheheheheh. I'd forgotten this. Way back in the Olde Days, when I was in high school, we had an exchange student from Norway. The last day of the school year, he told the school that he wanted to leave us with a special message, and asked if he could put "Seniors, good luck in the future" up on the cafeteria menu board, in Norwegian. The resulting message, which is memorialized for all time in the yearbook, was: Svolten og tyrst, minn fitte fyrst. We now return you to your regularly scheduled fundamentalist christian trollfest. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 29 9: 9:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from atreides.freenix.no (atreides.freenix.no [212.33.142.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFE037B404 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from morten@localhost) by atreides.freenix.no (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g3TG9mw86497; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:09:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from morten) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:09:48 +0200 From: "Morten A. Middelthon" To: Brad Knowles Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Turned off by FreeBSD daemons Message-ID: <20020429180948.A86421@freenix.no> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020423134357.02259dc0@nospam.lariat.org> <20020429150338.B75758@freenix.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from brad.knowles@skynet.be on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 04:51:58PM +0200 X-PGP-Key: http://freenix.no/~morten/pgp.txt X-PGP-Key-FingerPrint: 20 40 7A 47 1E A0 BF CF 61 BB CD 9D B3 AD CF E2 D4 90 C3 8D X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE-p3 X-Warning: So cunning you could brush your teeth with it. Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 04:51:58PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 3:03 PM +0200 2002/04/29, Morten A. Middelthon wrote: > > > Speaking of car names, Honda was talking about naming their newest car > > "Fitta", which in Norwegian is slang for a certain female reproductive organ. > > Wouldn't that make it one of the most popular cars in all of the > countries where Norwegian is spoken? ;-) I'm sure it would appeal to certain groups of the population, yes :) Gives a whole new meaning to the term "pimp-mobile" :) -- Morten A. Middelthon Freenix Norge http://www.freenix.no/ -- 75% of the Earth is covered by water, Jeeps cover the rest. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 29 9:10:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1D037B417 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142163F3F; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:11:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: Pete Ehlke Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:10:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Turned off by FreeBSD daemons Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <20020429085838.A23056@ehlke.net> References: ; from brad.knowles@skynet.be on Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 04:51:58PM +0200 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Message-Id: <20010430121136.142163F3F@bast.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 29 Apr 2002 at 8:58, Pete Ehlke wrote: > Heheheheheh. I'd forgotten this. Way back in the Olde Days, when I was > in high school, we had an exchange student from Norway. The last day of > the school year, he told the school that he wanted to leave us with a > special message, and asked if he could put "Seniors, good luck in the > future" up on the cafeteria menu board, in Norwegian. The resulting > message, which is memorialized for all time in the yearbook, was: > > Svolten og tyrst, minn fitte fyrst. http://babelfish.altavista.com/ doesn't do Norwegian=>English -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 29 9:17:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455FB37B41B for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 140F35346; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:17:54 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: dan@langille.org Cc: Pete Ehlke , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Turned off by FreeBSD daemons References: <20010430121136.142163F3F@bast.unixathome.org> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 29 Apr 2002 18:17:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20010430121136.142163F3F@bast.unixathome.org> Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Dan Langille" writes: > On 29 Apr 2002 at 8:58, Pete Ehlke wrote: > > Svolten og tyrst, minn fitte fyrst. > http://babelfish.altavista.com/ doesn't do Norwegian=>English I doubt it could translate the above even if it did support Norwegian; it's an archaic rendering of "hungry and thirsty, but pussy comes first" - or if you want it to rhyme: "I hunger and thirst, but pussy comes first". DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 29 11:29:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE5237B400 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #6) id 172Fti-0004Ct-00; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:29:14 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g3TITDL39114; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:29:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:29:13 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: Brett Glass Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can EULA's stop competition from *nix? Message-ID: <20020429192913.A39098@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20020428152837.A29453@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020428110036.0242a590@nospam.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020428110036.0242a590@nospam.lariat.org>; from brett@lariat.org on Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 11:01:35AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Apr 28, 2002 at 11:01:35AM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: | I doubt that terms prohibiting the use of competitive products | are enforceable. But who has the resources to challenge MSFT in court over the issue? jm -- My other computer is your windows box. 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Jim Qualizza

Qualizza@yahoo.com

------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C1EF81.7E612580-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 30 6:23:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from web20405.mail.yahoo.com (web20405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D0D1137B41D for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 06:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20020430132306.1282.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.90.92.58] by web20405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 06:23:06 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 06:23:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Francis Jordan Subject: strange gcc warning To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This may seem like a newbie question, but still -- why does the following produce a warning: void foo(const int b[8][8]) { } int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { int b[8][8]; foo(b); return 0; } test.c:11: warning: passing arg 1 of `foo' from incompatible pointer type Thanks FRJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 30 8:52:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8458B37B423 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 08:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 3576E5346; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:52:07 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Francis Jordan Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: strange gcc warning References: <20020430132306.1282.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 30 Apr 2002 17:52:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20020430132306.1282.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Francis Jordan writes: > This may seem like a newbie question, but still -- why > does the following produce a warning: > > void > foo(const int b[8][8]) > { > } Arrays degenerate to pointers when passed as arguments to functions. You can wrap it in a struct if you want to keep the size information; otherwise foo() will have to do the necessary pointer arithmetic "by hand". DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 30 11:11:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from web20403.mail.yahoo.com (web20403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 15A5137B417 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20020430181138.37192.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.90.92.58] by web20403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:11:38 PDT Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:11:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Francis Jordan Subject: Re: strange gcc warning To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Dag-Erling, The warning goes away when I wrap the array in a struct, but I still don't understand it clearly. If the array is converted to a pointer, isn't it safe to cast a regular pointer to a pointer to const (i.e. a read-only pointer)? If I write: void foo(const int *p) {} int main() { int *i = 0; foo(i); return 0; } there is no warning. Thanks FRJ --- Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Francis Jordan writes: > > This may seem like a newbie question, but still -- > why > > does the following produce a warning: > > > > void > > foo(const int b[8][8]) > > { > > } > > Arrays degenerate to pointers when passed as > arguments to functions. > You can wrap it in a struct if you want to keep the > size information; > otherwise foo() will have to do the necessary > pointer arithmetic "by > hand". > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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To: Francis Jordan Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: strange gcc warning References: <20020430181138.37192.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 30 Apr 2002 22:53:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20020430181138.37192.qmail@web20403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Francis Jordan writes: > The warning goes away when I wrap the array in a > struct, but I still don't understand it clearly. > If the array is converted to a pointer, isn't it > safe to cast a regular pointer to a pointer to > const (i.e. a read-only pointer)? Yes, but what you had in your argument list was a pointer to a pointer. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 30 14:20:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874C837B405 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25328; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:19:10 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook may make your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020430151757.0223c5e0@nospam.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@nospam.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:19:04 -0600 To: j mckitrick From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Can EULA's stop competition from *nix? Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020429192913.A39098@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020428110036.0242a590@nospam.lariat.org> <20020428152837.A29453@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020428110036.0242a590@nospam.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:29 PM 4/29/2002, j mckitrick wrote: >| I doubt that terms prohibiting the use of competitive products >| are enforceable. > >But who has the resources to challenge MSFT in court over the issue? The New York State AG is already challenging them regarding the prohibition of reviews in the same document. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Apr 30 14:36: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678A437B419 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #6) id 172fHs-0001CA-00; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 22:35:52 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g3ULZqq48466; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 22:35:52 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 22:35:52 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: Brett Glass Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can EULA's stop competition from *nix? Message-ID: <20020430223552.A48446@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020428110036.0242a590@nospam.lariat.org> <20020428152837.A29453@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020428110036.0242a590@nospam.lariat.org> <20020429192913.A39098@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020430151757.0223c5e0@nospam.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020430151757.0223c5e0@nospam.lariat.org>; from brett@lariat.org on Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 03:19:04PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 03:19:04PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: | At 12:29 PM 4/29/2002, j mckitrick wrote: | | >| I doubt that terms prohibiting the use of competitive products | >| are enforceable. | > | >But who has the resources to challenge MSFT in court over the issue? | | The New York State AG is already challenging them regarding the | prohibition of reviews in the same document. I thought that case was about an antivirus utility. No? jm -- My other computer is your windows box. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 1 9: 3:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hades.gigguardian.com (vven-216.sjc.ca.bbnow.net [24.219.11.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4898537B416 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from europa (europa.gigguardian.com [192.168.1.2]) by hades.gigguardian.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g3S3uTH42701; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:56:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vhm3@hades.gigguardian.com) From: "Chip McClure" To: Cc: Subject: RE: bad isp - dns Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 20:56:28 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <200204280309.g3S39An58790@groggy.anc.acsalaska.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Depending on the type of connection you have, I think you would have a right to complain to your ISP about it. From my point of view, if it is a residential, then you're probably out of luck with getting reverse dns added by your isp. If your network connection is better than residential dsl, or a cable modem, I'd start complaining to the isp about it. You have a right to get reverse dns in a commercial hookup. The only other option, is to use your isp's smtp server to relay all mail from your network. I fell into that same situation as you a few months ago. My ISP decided to add in some more addresses, mine got re-allocated. I have a new IP, but no reverse dns to it. I just set my fall back mx host (in sendmail) to be that of one of my data center mail servers. Any mail that can't be delivered by my local mail server gets sent to another one for the actual delivery. Try that option, if you don't have any luck with the isp. Chip - -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of groggy11@mail.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 8:09 PM To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: bad isp - dns this is a problem in regards to FreeBSD maillists. FBSD maillists do a DNS lookup on any host sending email. my ISP refuses to pass on DNS queries to my server, so clients on my network cannot have their name->number mappings answered. i have had this problem for years, and the ISP is the major telephone/communications company for the city. i don't guess i have any "rights" to force them to pass on DNS queries to my server - so what can i do??? (besides change ISPs, there are various reasons why that is an unacceptable solution). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPMtxXZuKtP8CSC69EQKragCgkPKiAVjCMC389cjqr0SPJnxPSzMAn2vt c5hN8H8uLfzZEO3rKj2aUrWi =7i5K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 1 9: 4: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hades.gigguardian.com (vven-216.sjc.ca.bbnow.net [24.219.11.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B32337B400 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 09:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vhm3@localhost) by hades.gigguardian.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3TLGmL91223 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:16:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vhm3@hades.gigguardian.com) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:16:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chip McClure To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Paintball Scheduler Pro Program In-Reply-To: <004401c1efa3$058cb620$8800a8c0@qrocket> Message-ID: <20020429141504.K36926-100000@hades.gigguardian.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ah yeah, I gotta get me one of these. Wait - no BSD version???? That just ruins my day. - ----- Chip McClure Sr. Unix Administrator GigGuardian, Inc. http://www.gigguardian.com/ - ----- On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Jim Qualizza wrote: > Dear Paintball Enthusiast: > > > Introducing: Paintball Scheduler Pro – Order Now – Qualizza@Yahoo.com > > > > Paintball Scheduling Pro is the first program developed exclusively for use with Round Robin paintball tournaments!!! It is an Excel based product that creates Master Schedules, Field Schedules, and Team Schedules for a variety of Tournament Types (Novice, Amateur, Pro) and Divisions (A, B, C). > > > > It is easy to use and can be used within minutes of opening the program. Input the Team names and field names and you are ready to create any schedule you need to run your tournament as efficiently and effectively as possible. > > > > No longer do you have to make copies of copies and hand them out. Paintball Scheduler Pro prints the schedules you need as fast as your printer spits them out. > > > > Gives a professional appearance to your tournament and provides everyone with easy to read hand outs. Players, team captains, and referees alike will instantly thank you for providing them with such an easy to read and organized scheduler. > > > > Make no mistake this is no gimmick. Full refund guaranteed if not 100% satisfied! > > > > A Demo version is available upon request. Email me now - Qualizza@yahoo.com > > > > Benefits: > > a.. Easy to navigate Menus and buttons. > b.. Create Schedules in Minutes rather than HOURS! > c.. Easy to use – Point and click features of Windows. > d.. Easy to learn – Can learn in 5-10 minutes. > e.. Reduces the overall time it takes to manage and run a tournament. > f.. Adds professionalism to the process of the event. > g.. Improve customer satisfaction with easy to read schedules. > h.. Provides referees with games arranged in order of play by each field in use. > i.. Allows teams to view all their games and including those in front and behind them. > j.. Created to be used for Novice (Divisions A-D), Amateur A (Divisions A-C), Amateur B (Divisions A-C), and Professional (Divisions A-C) teams. The user can rename and make any type of division name (i.e. Young Guns, Rookie). > k.. All teams know who they are playing – Program replaces all team numbers with actual team names. No more guessing who team 5 is or is not. > l.. Optimized to work with up to 40 teams in a division and any number of fields. > m.. The number of rounds (games) can be limited by the user, i.e., 6 game preliminaries. > n.. All Master schedules can be merged into a set of Merged Schedules - play all Division across all available fields without interference. > o.. Ability to insert Time into the Schedules (lists when games are scheduled to start) and can choose to include a lunch time. Tournaments run more efficiently and ON TIME! > p.. Sort the Master Schedule by round, game, or field with a menu selection. > q.. All Master Schedules, Field Schedules, and Team Schedules can be printed with the click of a mouse button. > r.. Master Scorekeeper – a score sheet for each Division. Includes games played, games to be played, current score, current RANK, and average score per game. > s.. All Schedules are formatted for easy reading and identification. > t.. Tournament Time Estimator – Know what time the tournament will end – prelims, semis, and finals. > u.. Teams can be automatically randomized or manually seeded in a division. > v.. Full featured Help – included in the program and can be printed out. > > > > > Are you tired of this? > > ü Trying to read a schedule that has been copied hundreds of times? > > ü Trying to store all kinds of combinations of schedules, just in case you need it? > > ü Trying to figure out what team number equals what team name? > > ü Trying to copy your team schedule from a hard to read and understand master schedule? > > ü Trying to find your team games scattered all over a copied sheet? > > ü Spending 30 minutes trying to figure out what teams are suppose to be on a particular field? > > ü Having the tournament take too long due to misinterpretations of the schedule? > > ü Hold ups that take place when schedules are not clear and to the point? > > ü Unable to redo or prepare a schedule at the last minute. > > ü Waiting for someone to interpret the master schedule? > > ü Darkness is coming and the preliminaries are not over yet. > > > > Requirements: > > Computer running Windows 95/98/ME/NT/XP > > Microsoft Excel 2000/XP > > > > Pricing: > > Standard Version - $149.95 > > Promoter’s Version - $299.95 > > > > > > Looking forward to your order – You will be Pleased with its Ease! > > > > > > Jim Qualizza > > Qualizza@yahoo.com > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iQA/AwUBPM24QJuKtP8CSC69EQJxLgCg6AEPYFnghKan5uSjiJm0CJGRproAn2/n 7GPxhfnLg2+SHSXyb0wXbxQA =BB08 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 1 10: 3:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C2D37B400 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 10:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0332.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.43.77] helo=mindspring.com) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 172xVb-0002bc-00; Wed, 01 May 2002 10:03:15 -0700 Message-ID: <3CD01FB3.CB80561A@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 10:02:43 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chip McClure Cc: groggy11@mail.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bad isp - dns References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chip McClure wrote: > Depending on the type of connection you have, I think you would have > a right to complain to your ISP about it. From my point of view, if > it is a residential, then you're probably out of luck with getting > reverse dns added by your isp. If your network connection is better > than residential dsl, or a cable modem, I'd start complaining to the > isp about it. You have a right to get reverse dns in a commercial > hookup. The only other option, is to use your isp's smtp server to > relay all mail from your network. He described his problem badly. He could have described it in a single sentence: "How do I configure an outbound mail server on a non-routable network which resides behind a NAT?" I arrived at this because of the back-and-forth that has happened so far, from the context clues provided, but not explicitly stated (for some reason, people are reluctant to actually ever tell you what problem they are trying to solve, probably for fear that you will point out that their "solution" can't ever work, and they will have to change their configuration to one that will work). He still hasn't published the full information about his intended configuration to the list ...e.g., we don't know how the NAT will respond to incoming connection, we don't know if there is an external third party MX, and we don't know that the internal mail server is not retrieving it's email via ATRN or UUCP or some other mechanism which doesn't strip envelope information (e.g. "multidrop POP", of the kind badly supported by "fetchmail" -- so much for "The Cathedral and The Bazaar" being a meaningful document). The answer is that the mail server must masquerade as the NAT, so that exposed addresses in outbound email can be resolved to a replyable address. The "reverse delegations" he's having problems with are for 192.168 addresses. He's *never* going to get the ARPA delegations for those... agreed? He's also having problems with forward lookups for what are, in effect, unpublished hosts that live behind the NAT. To fix this, he should MASQUERADE_ENTIRE_DOMAIN() (see the sendmail book from O'Reilly for details on this m4 macro). He can't claim an unpublished domain part for a "helo", "ehlo", "mail from:", or "rcpt to:" argument. The mail server rejecting his email is doing so because there is no way to contact the sender of the email. If the sender is legitimate, that means he's asking the mail server to take delivery responsibility while refusing to provide the mail server with a method of discharging its responsibility in the case of failure (i.e. it has no place to send the DSN's in case of failure, because the sender is impossible to contact). If the sender is illegitimate, then it means he's asking the mail server to deliver his SPAM for him... and again, the mail server is saying "no". -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 1 10:52:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hades.gigguardian.com (vven-216.sjc.ca.bbnow.net [24.219.11.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D4D37B41A for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from europa (europa.gigguardian.com [192.168.1.2]) by hades.gigguardian.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g41HqS000110; Wed, 1 May 2002 10:52:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vhm3@hades.gigguardian.com) From: "Chip McClure" To: "Terry Lambert" Cc: , Subject: RE: bad isp - dns Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 10:52:26 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <3CD01FB3.CB80561A@mindspring.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello Terry, I agree totally. I was under the assumption when I had read the inital post, that this was a fully routable IP address space, and not one in the private space. And yes, ARPA will never give away the space for routing that one. :) Without much more information, it is kinda tough to suggest where to go next. As long as sendmail is configured properly (the access lists for relaying, and the smart host set), the clients on the back end are all using a valid email address, he will be able to send out mail from his system. Chip - -----Original Message----- From: Terry Lambert [mailto:tlambert2@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:03 AM To: Chip McClure Cc: groggy11@mail.com; freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bad isp - dns Chip McClure wrote: > Depending on the type of connection you have, I think you would > have a right to complain to your ISP about it. From my point of > view, if it is a residential, then you're probably out of luck with > getting reverse dns added by your isp. If your network connection > is better than residential dsl, or a cable modem, I'd start > complaining to the isp about it. You have a right to get reverse > dns in a commercial > hookup. The only other option, is to use your isp's smtp server to > relay all mail from your network. He described his problem badly. He could have described it in a single sentence: "How do I configure an outbound mail server on a non-routable network which resides behind a NAT?" I arrived at this because of the back-and-forth that has happened so far, from the context clues provided, but not explicitly stated (for some reason, people are reluctant to actually ever tell you what problem they are trying to solve, probably for fear that you will point out that their "solution" can't ever work, and they will have to change their configuration to one that will work). He still hasn't published the full information about his intended configuration to the list ...e.g., we don't know how the NAT will respond to incoming connection, we don't know if there is an external third party MX, and we don't know that the internal mail server is not retrieving it's email via ATRN or UUCP or some other mechanism which doesn't strip envelope information (e.g. "multidrop POP", of the kind badly supported by "fetchmail" -- so much for "The Cathedral and The Bazaar" being a meaningful document). The answer is that the mail server must masquerade as the NAT, so that exposed addresses in outbound email can be resolved to a replyable address. The "reverse delegations" he's having problems with are for 192.168 addresses. He's *never* going to get the ARPA delegations for those... agreed? He's also having problems with forward lookups for what are, in effect, unpublished hosts that live behind the NAT. To fix this, he should MASQUERADE_ENTIRE_DOMAIN() (see the sendmail book from O'Reilly for details on this m4 macro). He can't claim an unpublished domain part for a "helo", "ehlo", "mail from:", or "rcpt to:" argument. The mail server rejecting his email is doing so because there is no way to contact the sender of the email. If the sender is legitimate, that means he's asking the mail server to take delivery responsibility while refusing to provide the mail server with a method of discharging its responsibility in the case of failure (i.e. it has no place to send the DSN's in case of failure, because the sender is impossible to contact). If the sender is illegitimate, then it means he's asking the mail server to deliver his SPAM for him... and again, the mail server is saying "no". - -- Terry -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBPNAmvJuKtP8CSC69EQIJ4wCdGoBdabldbjk1YlOZ6AKeST3AzgAAn3U2 9+4w3Jf7sEHNsWRIGsgW/aY0 =gE0g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 1 11:40:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from supai.oit.umass.edu (supai.oit.umass.edu [128.119.175.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F270837B404 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 11:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by supai.oit.umass.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38130) id <0GVG00E013GQ5E@supai.oit.umass.edu> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 1 May 2002 14:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yolen.oit.umass.edu (yolen.oit.umass.edu [128.119.166.35]) by supai.oit.umass.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #38130) with ESMTP id <0GVG00APO3GQVJ@supai.oit.umass.edu> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 01 May 2002 14:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (gp@localhost) by yolen.oit.umass.edu (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) with ESMTP id g41IVb9l002805 for ; Wed, 01 May 2002 14:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 14:31:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Gregory Pavelcak Subject: Cable Modems X-Sender: gp@yolen.oit.umass.edu To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Authentication-warning: yolen.oit.umass.edu: gp owned process doing -bs Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org AT&T has the folowing "Approved Modems" list Manufacturer Model(s) 3Com CMX2940, 3CR29220, 3CR29221, 3CR29223 Arris/Nortel CM100, CM200, CM200U BestData CMX100, CMX110 COM21 DP1010, DP101, DP111, DP1110, Doxport 1110 D-Link DCM-100, DCM-200 Ericsson PipeRider HM200C High Speed Surfing SM100 Linksys BEFCMU10 Motorola (formerly General Instruments) SB2100, SB3100, SB4100 Thomson/RCA DCM105, DCM205, DCM215, DCM225, DCM226, DCM235, DCM235R, DCM245, DCM245R Toshiba DAZ8801, DAZ8811, DAZ8813, PCX1100, PCX1100U Zoom 5011 (external model only) These things range from around $65 - $120. Any advice, warnings, recommendations, etc. on purchasing a cable modem would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 1 16: 4:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E1737B419 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 16:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.11.3/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g41N43W83195; Wed, 1 May 2002 16:04:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 16:04:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Gregory Pavelcak Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cable Modems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020501160240.B81172-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> X-All-Your-Base: are belong to us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 1 May 2002, Gregory Pavelcak wrote: > > AT&T has the folowing "Approved Modems" list > > Manufacturer Model(s) > 3Com CMX2940, 3CR29220, 3CR29221, 3CR29223 > Arris/Nortel CM100, CM200, CM200U > BestData CMX100, CMX110 > COM21 DP1010, DP101, DP111, DP1110, Doxport 1110 > D-Link DCM-100, DCM-200 > Ericsson PipeRider HM200C > High Speed Surfing SM100 > Linksys BEFCMU10 > Motorola (formerly General Instruments) SB2100, SB3100, SB4100 > Thomson/RCA DCM105, DCM205, DCM215, DCM225, DCM226, DCM235, DCM235R, > DCM245, DCM245R > Toshiba DAZ8801, DAZ8811, DAZ8813, PCX1100, PCX1100U > Zoom 5011 (external model only) > > These things range from around $65 - $120. > > Any advice, warnings, recommendations, etc. on purchasing a cable > modem would be greatly appreciated. Wow, ATT lets you pick your own modem now? Usually they give you one. 3com ditched their cable modem business (already) so those are dead-ends. The default modem is an RCA and seems to work well in the installations I've seen. Based on the suck factor of the Moto/GI DCTs, I would stay far, far away from those. :) Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 1 19: 5:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.knology.net (user-24-214-63-13.knology.net [24.214.63.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F90637B417 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 19:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8527 invoked by uid 8002); 2 May 2002 02:05:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grumpy.dyndns.org) (24.214.210.89) by smtp3.knology.net with SMTP; 2 May 2002 02:05:12 -0000 Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4225B4J015334; Wed, 1 May 2002 21:05:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Message-Id: <200205020205.g4225B4J015334@grumpy.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Doug White Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Cable Modems In-reply-to: Message from Doug White of "Wed, 01 May 2002 16:04:03 PDT." <20020501160240.B81172-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 21:05:11 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug White writes: > > Based on the suck factor of the Moto/GI DCTs, I would stay far, far away > from those. :) What suck factor? A Motorola Surfboard 4100 (?) was installed in a distant office at work last week. I had problems with the cable company's GUI Web browser only registration process as I didn't bother to put X on the FreeBSD firewall and couldn't figure it out in Lynx. I originally had an RCA cable modem running 100baseT. Changed cable companies and was issued a 3-Com shark fin which lasted 4 days before it and $3,000 of my toys got cooked by lightning. Its replacement is doing well the past year and I'm not complaining much about the $9/mo rental as me and my insurance company are still way ahead of the game as purchase was $250 back then. But with prices dipping to $50-$75 range, I don't have to avoid lightning very long to break even. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 1 22:36:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF77737B417 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 22:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chip3.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A05E7890036; Wed, 01 May 2002 22:36:30 -0700 Subject: news feed from freebsd.org From: Chip Wiegand To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 01 May 2002 22:39:11 -0700 Message-Id: <1020317952.92997.4.camel@chip3.wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just set up Ximian this evening, about an hour to two ago. One of the features is the news feeds on the summary page. It has an option to get a news-feed from freebsd.org, I didn't know this was available. But it doesn't work. Here's the address it defaults to - HTTP://www.freebsd.org/news/news.rdf Does this link actually work? Or should I change it? Thanks, Chip W chip@wiegand.org www.wiegand.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 1 22:48:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E41B37B41B for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 22:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0052.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.52] helo=mindspring.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 1739RD-0002ne-00; Wed, 01 May 2002 22:47:31 -0700 Message-ID: <3CD0D2D7.C5A9745F@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 22:47:03 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chip McClure Cc: groggy11@mail.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bad isp - dns References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chip McClure wrote: > I agree totally. I was under the assumption when I had read the > inital post, that this was a fully routable IP address space, and not > one in the private space. And yes, ARPA will never give away the > space for routing that one. :) > > Without much more information, it is kinda tough to suggest where to > go next. As long as sendmail is configured properly (the access lists > for relaying, and the smart host set), the clients on the back end > are all using a valid email address, he will be able to send out mail > from his system. He has a machine "en26.groggy.anc.acsalaska.net"; this is the mail server. It's behind a NAT box "groggy.anc.acsalaska.net" with IP address "208.151.119.232". Forward and reverse address mappings are correct for the NAT box. Because he is not masqurading the domain, on outbound SMTP connections, he's saying: "ehlo en26.groggy.anc.acsalaska.net" and: "mail from: " instead of the correct thing, which is: "ehlo groggy.anc.acsalaska.net" and: "mail from: " Since "ehlo en26.groggy.anc.acsalaska.net" is not a resolvable name, his mail is getting rejected. Pretty simple. I'll bet his biggest problem is that he's using "qmail" or "postfix" or something other than "sendmail" (the latter is easily configured for proper masquerading of domains). Supporting inbound email through the NAT box to the interior SMTP server... that's a whole additional problem. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 1 23:41: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC9537B425 for ; Wed, 1 May 2002 23:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g426H2H40622; Thu, 2 May 2002 07:17:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 07:17:02 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Chip Wiegand Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: news feed from freebsd.org Message-ID: <20020502071702.C80714@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <1020317952.92997.4.camel@chip3.wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2/5bycvrmDh4d1IB" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1020317952.92997.4.camel@chip3.wiegand.org>; from chip@wiegand.org on Wed, May 01, 2002 at 10:39:11PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --2/5bycvrmDh4d1IB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 10:39:11PM -0700, Chip Wiegand wrote: > I just set up Ximian this evening, about an hour to two ago. One of the > features is the news feeds on the summary page. It has an option to get > a news-feed from freebsd.org, I didn't know this was available. But it > doesn't work. Here's the address it defaults to - >=20 > HTTP://www.freebsd.org/news/news.rdf >=20 > Does this link actually work? Or should I change it? Works fine here. I use that URL with KDE's ticker to get a scrolling display of FreeBSD news. And sites like DaemonNews and Slashdot use it to include FreeBSD headlines on their sites. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --2/5bycvrmDh4d1IB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjzQ2d4ACgkQk6gHZCw343XTSgCfakcNFVc4kDdVfCc+NKd15Zq8 3McAn3tmZpuTGYl62fu1f2uKlaxUwP6U =juoE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2/5bycvrmDh4d1IB-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 2 1:45:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from groggy.anc.acsalaska.net (groggy.anc.acsalaska.net [208.151.119.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD81B37B417 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 01:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from abc@localhost) by groggy.anc.acsalaska.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g428kii43550; Thu, 2 May 2002 08:46:44 GMT (envelope-from groggy11@mail.com) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 08:46:44 GMT From: groggy11@mail.com Message-Id: <200205020846.g428kii43550@groggy.anc.acsalaska.net> X-Authentication-Warning: en26.groggy.anc.acsalaska.net: abc set sender to groggy11@mail.com using -f Subject: Re: bad isp - dns X-Mailer: Umail v2.3 To: Terry Lambert To: Chip McClure To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Without much more information, it is kinda tough to suggest where to > > go next. As long as sendmail is configured properly (the access lists > > for relaying, and the smart host set), the clients on the back end > > are all using a valid email address, he will be able to send out mail > > from his system. the problem wasn't "sending" specifically, the problem is sending having sent mail rejected. and it's solved (whether strictly correct or not) with "Dj" in sendmail.cf of private IP machines (if this is getting to fbsd-chat): ################## # local info # ################## Cwlocalhost # file containing names of hosts for which we receive email Fw-o /etc/mail/local-host-names # my official domain name # ... define this only if sendmail cannot automatically determine your domain DjHOSTNAME-OF-PPP-NAT-GATEWAY CP. # "Smart" relay host (may be null) DS > He has a machine "en26.groggy.anc.acsalaska.net"; this is the > mail server. It's behind a NAT box "groggy.anc.acsalaska.net" > with IP address "208.151.119.232". Forward and reverse address > mappings are correct for the NAT box. > > Because he is not masqurading the domain, on outbound SMTP > connections, he's saying: > > "ehlo en26.groggy.anc.acsalaska.net" > and: > > "mail from: " > > instead of the correct thing, which is: > > "ehlo groggy.anc.acsalaska.net" > > and: > > "mail from: " yes, > Since "ehlo en26.groggy.anc.acsalaska.net" is not a resolvable > name, his mail is getting rejected. Pretty simple. yes - :) correct. > I'll bet his biggest problem is that he's using "qmail" or > "postfix" or something other than "sendmail" (the latter is > easily configured for proper masquerading of domains). no - wrong :) heh. sendmail :) > Supporting inbound email through the NAT box to the interior > SMTP server... that's a whole additional problem. yeah - it would be - so i just use POP3 for private IP'd boxes to collect their users mail. > -- Terry i am very thankful for your help. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 2 2: 3: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E4837B400 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 02:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0052.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.52] helo=mindspring.com) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 173CTv-0004ez-00; Thu, 02 May 2002 02:02:32 -0700 Message-ID: <3CD1007D.47748CF8@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 02:01:49 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: groggy11@mail.com Cc: Chip McClure , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bad isp - dns References: <200205020846.g428kii43550@groggy.anc.acsalaska.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org groggy11@mail.com wrote: > i am very thankful for your help. No problem. This sort of thing isn't well documented. There are a couple of reasons for this. The major one is that there is not a common set of language for configurations that would have allowed you to ask the question using the same terminology as would be used by someone who could actually answer it. 8-) 8-). The other is that this is really an application problem, but you really can't bitch about anything posted to -chat, so it's not like saying "this is not the correct place to ask" has any meaning... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 2 7:49:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4476C37B417; Thu, 2 May 2002 07:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chip3.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A1F2B25003E; Thu, 02 May 2002 07:49:22 -0700 Subject: Re: news feed from freebsd.org From: Chip Wiegand To: Nik Clayton Cc: FreeBSD Chat In-Reply-To: <20020502071702.C80714@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <1020317952.92997.4.camel@chip3.wiegand.org> <20020502071702.C80714@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 02 May 2002 07:52:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1020351124.92997.21.camel@chip3.wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 00:17, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 10:39:11PM -0700, Chip Wiegand wrote: > > I just set up Ximian this evening, about an hour to two ago. One of the > > features is the news feeds on the summary page. It has an option to get > > a news-feed from freebsd.org, I didn't know this was available. But it > > doesn't work. Here's the address it defaults to - > > > > HTTP://www.freebsd.org/news/news.rdf > > > > Does this link actually work? Or should I change it? > > Works fine here. I use that URL with KDE's ticker to get a scrolling > display of FreeBSD news. And sites like DaemonNews and Slashdot use it > to include FreeBSD headlines on their sites. > > N Hmm, that's interesting. Here's what I have on my Ximian summary page - Error downloading RDF: http://slashdot.org/slashdot.rdf Error downloading RDF: http://www.freebsd.org/news/news.rdf Error downloading RDF: http://daily.daemonnews.org/ddn.rdf.php3 So you can see it's not working for 3 differant sites, yet it does work for (-)www.BSDtoday.com.I see something differant about the last one, the (-) instead of http:// . I'll have to look for a config file to see where those are defined and change the ones that don't work to match the one that does and see if that helps. Those links are copied/pasted directly from the Ximian summary page, so they are accurate with the summary page. I don't know what the (-) means, but evidently it means something to Ximian. -- Chip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 2 11: 1:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F05F37B416 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.11.3/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g42I1k924398; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:01:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: David Kelly Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cable Modems In-Reply-To: <200205020205.g4225B4J015334@grumpy.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20020502110039.J23464-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> X-All-Your-Base: are belong to us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 1 May 2002, David Kelly wrote: > Doug White writes: > > > > Based on the suck factor of the Moto/GI DCTs, I would stay far, far away > > from those. :) > > What suck factor? A Motorola Surfboard 4100 (?) was installed in a > distant office at work last week. I had problems with the cable > company's GUI Web browser only registration process as I didn't bother > to put X on the FreeBSD firewall and couldn't figure it out in Lynx. I said *based* on the suck factor of the DCTs, which are apparently made by a different division. (Digital cable is fscking slow; allocating 8% of a slow CPU for a GUI was a bad idea.) Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 2 14:53:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC51E37B417 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 14:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.32.103] nmace@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [12.4.161.107] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with Novell NIMS $Revision: 2.88.1.1 $ on Novell NetWare; Thu, 02 May 2002 15:53:22 -0600 Subject: KMail or Evolution?? From: Nathan Mace Reply-To: nmace@myrealbox.com To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 02 May 2002 17:53:31 -0400 Message-Id: <1020376412.89272.4.camel@cheech.uchaswv.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just wondering what everyone out there uses as mail client. I realize that there are more than just those 2 email clients, but i was wondering what you thought of them. I've been a loyal Kmail user for years, but just today switched to Evolution to see what all the hype was about. I'll need to use it for awhile before I decide for sure, but so far I really like it. If you haven't tried it since it hit 1.0 give it a shot. It's been really stable for me, and has quite a few features that Kmail lacks Nathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 2 16: 1:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD4037B416 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 16:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 173PZq-0002hJ-00; Thu, 02 May 2002 16:01:30 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 16:01:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Nathan Mace Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: KMail or Evolution?? In-Reply-To: <1020376412.89272.4.camel@cheech.uchaswv.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2 May 2002, Nathan Mace wrote: > Just wondering what everyone out there uses as mail client. I realize I haven't used Evolution yet. I have used kmail a little. (I don't like that by default it shows a big "K".) > haven't tried it since it hit 1.0 give it a shot. It's been really > stable for me, and has quite a few features that Kmail lacks What features does Evolution have that Kmail doesn't? I use pine. It works for me. My wife uses Sylpheed (0.7.4): - uses MH mailfile format. It can import / export mbox format. - different viewsL folder tree, message view - sort messages by different attributes - drag messages - search all messages by From, To, Subject and body. - few different encodings supported (western Europe, Japanese) - address book (after choosing many, it is hard to see all, because they are all placed on one long line) - can use sendmail client or SMTP to send - can do POP3 - SSL for POP3 - SSL and STARTTLS for SMTP - GNUPG or manually signed, can automatically check - signatures - SMTP AUTH - very customizable - user defined headers - can select auto pop3 before sending - multiple accounts with different configs (and easily choose From address when sending) - configurable quoting and reply formats - choose text fonts and highlighting colors for viewing - filtering (with regex) - templates for composing - based on GTK+ (gimp toolkit user interface) I don't know about viewing HTML or rich formatted mail with sylpheed. Also, I haven't tried double-clicking URLs yet. Before using sylpheed, we tried balsa 1.2.4, but when we highlighted several messages to delete or move to another mailbox, it only deleted a few at a time -- so it was a hassle to reselect over and over again. Does anyone know of any webpage that lists several of the common mail client features with notes about different mail clients? Jeremy C. Reed http://www.reedmedia.net/ p.s. We were able to export her Yahoo mail address books and import into Sylpheed. And we used POP3 to fetch all of her Yahoo mail (hundreds of messages over past few years) -- by moving the Yahoo mail from different folders back to main inbox. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 2 16:26:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664A237B41B; Thu, 2 May 2002 16:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.32.103] nmace@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [12.4.161.107] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with Novell NIMS $Revision: 2.88.1.1 $ on Novell NetWare; Thu, 02 May 2002 17:26:37 -0600 Subject: Re: KMail or Evolution?? From: Nathan Mace Reply-To: nmace@myrealbox.com To: "Jeremy C. Reed" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 02 May 2002 19:26:46 -0400 Message-Id: <1020382008.89683.9.camel@cheech.uchaswv.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > haven't tried it since it hit 1.0 give it a shot. It's been really > > stable for me, and has quite a few features that Kmail lacks > > What features does Evolution have that Kmail doesn't? > > I use pine. It works for me. I've used sylpheed before as well, but I liked Kmail better because it integrated with KDE better, and had almost the same set of features. With Evolution, it has about 95-99% of the things Kmail or sylpheed have. i can't figure out how to make it use maildir instead of mbox for example, but thats really a minor thing. for example, it has what are called virtual folders, where i can do a search of all my regular folders, and save that search in a virtual folder. the v-folder's show up and act just like a normal folder, except that they contain messages that matched the search. you can store them and go back browse them at any time. it's got a integrated calendar and task manager, as well as a spell check that actually works! I've just recently started playing around with it today so i don't know alot about the more advanced stuff yet. what got me interested to start with was this article at slashdot http://slashdot.org/articles/02/05/02/1140205.shtml?tid=170 Nathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 2 16:28:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.knology.net (user-24-214-63-14.knology.net [24.214.63.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB9B237B41F for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 16:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11293 invoked by uid 8002); 2 May 2002 23:28:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grumpy.dyndns.org) (24.214.210.89) by smtp2.knology.net with SMTP; 2 May 2002 23:28:14 -0000 Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g42NSE4I021153; Thu, 2 May 2002 18:28:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Message-Id: <200205022328.g42NSE4I021153@grumpy.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Doug White Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Cable Modems In-reply-to: Message from Doug White of "Thu, 02 May 2002 11:01:46 PDT." <20020502110039.J23464-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 18:28:14 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug White writes: > On Wed, 1 May 2002, David Kelly wrote: > > > Doug White writes: > > > > > > Based on the suck factor of the Moto/GI DCTs, I would stay far, far away > > > from those. :) > > > > What suck factor? A Motorola Surfboard 4100 (?) was installed in a > > distant office at work last week. I had problems with the cable > > company's GUI Web browser only registration process as I didn't bother > > to put X on the FreeBSD firewall and couldn't figure it out in Lynx. > > I said *based* on the suck factor of the DCTs, which are apparently made > by a different division. (Digital cable is fscking slow; allocating 8% of > a slow CPU for a GUI was a bad idea.) I missed the reference that a DCT was a Digital Cable Terminal (?) and was thinking DCT was a model of cable modem. Or have I missed it yet again? -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 2 16:32:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A8137B404 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 16:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0524.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.194.14] helo=mindspring.com) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 173Q3c-0005Kc-00; Thu, 02 May 2002 16:32:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3CD1CC62.FED99CFF@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 16:31:46 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nmace@myrealbox.com Cc: "Jeremy C. Reed" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: KMail or Evolution?? References: <1020382008.89683.9.camel@cheech.uchaswv.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nathan Mace wrote: > > I use pine. It works for me. > > I've used sylpheed before as well, but I liked Kmail better because it > integrated with KDE better, and had almost the same set of features. Of course, these clients are grossly incompatible. They can't even propagate the most popular email viruses... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 2 17: 2:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC4237B416 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 17:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chip3.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A37C100D0126; Thu, 02 May 2002 17:02:04 -0700 Subject: Re: KMail or Evolution?? From: Chip Wiegand To: FreeBSD Chat In-Reply-To: <3CD1CC62.FED99CFF@mindspring.com> References: <1020382008.89683.9.camel@cheech.uchaswv.edu> <3CD1CC62.FED99CFF@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 02 May 2002 17:04:45 -0700 Message-Id: <1020384286.92997.26.camel@chip3.wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 17:31, Terry Lambert wrote: > Nathan Mace wrote: > > > I use pine. It works for me. > > > > I've used sylpheed before as well, but I liked Kmail better because it > > integrated with KDE better, and had almost the same set of features. > > Of course, these clients are grossly incompatible. > > They can't even propagate the most popular email viruses... > > -- Terry Oh what a shame. We must be doing something wrong. Heh, heh. I've used I think all of the gui based email clients listed in the ports and just started using evolution yesterday. So far I like it best. My previous most used client was sylpheed-claws, but I like the extra features built into evolution, makes it very convenient. -- Chip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 2 17:31:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.knology.net (user-24-214-63-14.knology.net [24.214.63.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9389F37B419 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 17:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25180 invoked by uid 8002); 3 May 2002 00:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grumpy.dyndns.org) (24.214.210.89) by smtp2.knology.net with SMTP; 3 May 2002 00:31:21 -0000 Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g430VL4I021759; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:31:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Message-Id: <200205030031.g430VL4I021759@grumpy.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: KMail or Evolution?? In-reply-to: Message from Terry Lambert of "Thu, 02 May 2002 16:31:46 PDT." <3CD1CC62.FED99CFF@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 19:31:21 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert writes: > Nathan Mace wrote: > > > I use pine. It works for me. > > > > I've used sylpheed before as well, but I liked Kmail better because it > > integrated with KDE better, and had almost the same set of features. > > Of course, these clients are grossly incompatible. > > They can't even propagate the most popular email viruses... I would negotiate access to the mail clients' source code for you Terry if you would volunteer to add that feature set for us. :-) Call it a "virus detector". On detection of a virus invoke a Blue Screen Of Death screen saver. Interesting thing of late, I've found a very slow email virus detector for FreeBSD. Just forward the questionable message to uce@ftc.gov and if in a day or so you get a message back that a virus was found, then there was a virus. As for Kmail, the one in 4.5-RELEASE crashed the first time I tried to apply a message filter. That was also the last time I tried. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 2 18: 1:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pianosa.catch22.org (pianosa.catch22.org [64.81.48.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBED37B417 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 18:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pianosa.catch22.org (Postfix, from userid 1006) id 0B40D513; Thu, 2 May 2002 18:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 18:01:08 -0700 From: Danny Howard To: David Kelly Cc: Terry Lambert , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KMail or Evolution?? Message-ID: <20020502180108.S27725@pianosa.catch22.org> References: <200205030031.g430VL4I021759@grumpy.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200205030031.g430VL4I021759@grumpy.dyndns.org>; from dkelly@hiwaay.net on Thu, May 02, 2002 at 07:31:21PM -0500 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 07:31:21PM -0500, David Kelly wrote: > Interesting thing of late, I've found a very slow email virus detector > for FreeBSD. Just forward the questionable message to uce@ftc.gov and > if in a day or so you get a message back that a virus was found, then > there was a virus. Sophos SWEEP runs on FreeBSD: www.sophos.com -- http://dannyman.toldme.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 2 19: 3: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.uninterruptible.net (ns1.uninterruptible.net [216.7.46.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC3637B416 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 19:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Spaz.Catonic.NET (tnt6-216-180-5-197.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.5.197]) by mail.uninterruptible.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D47250024 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 02:02:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix, from userid 1002) id EE7E43223; Fri, 3 May 2002 02:02:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15A04C52 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 02:02:51 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 02:02:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby To: Subject: Fortune canidate. Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum Inc. X-Disclaimer: My opinions are not those of my employer(s). X-Driving-The-Information-Superhighway-Joke: Asleep at the wheel. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --- I aim to inovate, surprise, and amaze, all while being some proximity to technically acurate, when appropriate. -- Joshua D. Boyd --- -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | IM: KrisBSD | HSV, AL. ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 2 20:40: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.zer0.org (klapaucius.zer0.org [204.152.186.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8D237B405 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 20:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail1.zer0.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CA3DC239A02; Thu, 2 May 2002 20:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:39:49 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Kris Kirby Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fortune canidate. Message-ID: <20020503033949.GC582@klapaucius.zer0.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5G06lTa6Jq83wMTw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Organization: Zer0 X-Purpose: For great justice! Mail-Copies-To: poster X-Message-Flag: Ditch this virus-ridden Outlook crap and get a real mailer! Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --5G06lTa6Jq83wMTw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2002-05-03 02:02 +0000, Kris Kirby wrote: >=20 > --- > I aim to inovate, surprise, and amaze, all while being some proximity to > technically acurate, when appropriate. >=20 > --=20 > Joshua D. Boyd > --- Spelling and grammar-corrected version, YMMV greatly: I aim to innovate, surprise, and amaze, all while being within some proximity of technical accuracy--when appropriate. --Joshua D. Boyd I don't like this well enough at all to recommend it be added to the fortune file. It's grammatically clunky and doesn't really say anything. Greg --=20 Gregory S. Sutter "I think not," said Descartes... mailto:gsutter@zer0.org and promptly disappeared. http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/ =20 hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net/0x845DFEDD =20 --5G06lTa6Jq83wMTw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: '' iD8DBQE80gaFIBUx1YRd/t0RAgoiAJ96s/aFJQS2yYRaQYcG5zqto88THQCfdHHQ Fla4C6pklE0zYYzNa+zyK00= =yDZk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5G06lTa6Jq83wMTw-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu May 2 22:45:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (pns.wobline.de [212.68.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C8337B417 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 22:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from k6-2-300.tisys.org (ppp-355.wobline.de [212.68.71.112]) by mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/sh-2002041503) with ESMTP id g435jVI21607; Fri, 3 May 2002 07:45:32 +0200 Received: from daemon.tisys.org (palomino-1533.tisys.org [192.168.0.3]) by k6-2-300.tisys.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g435kro2057341; Fri, 3 May 2002 07:46:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nils@daemon.tisys.org) Received: (from nils@localhost) by daemon.tisys.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g435jhjN000835; Fri, 3 May 2002 07:45:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 07:45:08 +0200 From: Nils Holland To: Nathan Mace Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KMail or Evolution?? Message-ID: <20020503074508.A55862@daemon.tisys.org> References: <1020376412.89272.4.camel@cheech.uchaswv.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1020376412.89272.4.camel@cheech.uchaswv.edu>; from nmace@myrealbox.com on Thu, May 02, 2002 at 05:53:31PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD palomino-1533.tisys.org 4.5-STABLE FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE X-Machine-Uptime: 7:29AM up 1:16, 2 users, load averages: 1.55, 0.96, 0.44 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 05:53:31PM -0400, Nathan Mace stood up and spoke: > > I've been a loyal Kmail user for years, but just today switched to > Evolution to see what all the hype was about. I'll need to use it for > awhile before I decide for sure, but so far I really like it. If you > haven't tried it since it hit 1.0 give it a shot. It's been really > stable for me, and has quite a few features that Kmail lacks Well, according to my personal opinion only, I have the feeling that Evolution is aiming to be "more" than a mail client. I, however, don't really need some all-in-one thing like MS Outlook. So, besides a short look, I have not used Evolution yet. As far as KMail goes, most users on my network are using it. As such, I've often seen it. When I wanted try it for my personal mail needs, however, it crashed as soon as I received mail after I had set up around 20 mail filters. Seems that's too much for KMail ;-) So, what I've basically been using for a long time and am still using today is mutt. It's not a GUI client, but once configured, I have not found a thing that gets me done with my mail any faster. For mail filtering, I use procmail, and as my mail editor I have vim installed. Seems to be a really well-working combination that I've really grown to like ;-) Greetings Nils -- Nils Holland Ti Systems - http://www.tisys.org Addicted to computing since 1987 High on FreeBSD since 1996 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 3 4: 8:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from swansea.cableinet.net (swansea.cableinet.net [194.117.135.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732B737B41A for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 04:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by swansea.cableinet.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7749F1AAAB2; Fri, 3 May 2002 12:07:48 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 12:07:48 +0100 From: Burhan Nazir To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: KMail or Evolution?? Message-ID: <20020503110748.GB13304@swansea.cableinet.net> References: <1020376412.89272.4.camel@cheech.uchaswv.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1020376412.89272.4.camel@cheech.uchaswv.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nathan Mace wrote: > Just wondering what everyone out there uses as mail client. I realize > that there are more than just those 2 email clients, but i was wondering > what you thought of them. For me stability and speed is a huge factor in deciding mail clients. I have tried both KMail and Evolution for some time. In my humble opinion, Evolution is a nice product with good possibilities, however for the moment, it is a huge resource hog. Despite the hype, it is no where near as stable as it should be to considered for serious business use. Many times when I close the client down, rougue proceses remain eating up cpu cycles. It relies on gnome and therefore is slow when banging out emails. However, it does have some good enterprise features. In time, i'm sure this software will mature to be a decent client. KMail on the other hand is leaner and faster. However still not stable enough for me to feel comfortable to trust it with my mail. It too has good features, but will need to be go through a few more iterations before I begin to use it. > I've been a loyal Kmail user for years, but just today switched to > Evolution to see what all the hype was about. I'll need to use it for > awhile before I decide for sure, but so far I really like it. If you > haven't tried it since it hit 1.0 give it a shot. It's been really > stable for me, and has quite a few features that Kmail lacks For now, I'm sticking with MUTT. It has everything i need, stability, speed, features(IMAP, PGP). I can bang out mail in seconds, use integrated ispell to spell check, and use tab completion for address lookups. Granted, it's difficult to learn and it will not display HTML with graphics, but I don't really want that. And untill the above two clients improve on stability and speed, I'm sticking with mutt. -Burhan -- FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE-p4 | http://www.freebsd.org 11:49AM up 2 days, 21:20, 6 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.03, 0.05 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 3 9:35:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.uninterruptible.net (ns1.uninterruptible.net [216.7.46.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B996F37B404 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 09:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Spaz.Catonic.NET (tnt6-216-180-4-84.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.4.84]) by mail.uninterruptible.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B920D50059; Fri, 3 May 2002 16:35:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix, from userid 1002) id DF19A3223; Fri, 3 May 2002 16:35:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7744C50; Fri, 3 May 2002 16:35:13 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 16:35:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby To: Gregory Sutter Cc: Subject: Re: Fortune canidate. In-Reply-To: <20020503033949.GC582@klapaucius.zer0.org> Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum Inc. X-Disclaimer: My opinions are not those of my employer(s). X-Driving-The-Information-Superhighway-Joke: Asleep at the wheel. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 2 May 2002, Gregory Sutter wrote: > I don't like this well enough at all to recommend it be added to > the fortune file. It's grammatically clunky and doesn't really > say anything. Josh's misspelling is part of being "technically accurate". Yeah, I suppose it's more of an inside joke, and thusly not of any worth to the fortune files. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | IM: KrisBSD | HSV, AL. ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 3 11:24:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from reliant.nielsenmedia.com (reliant.nielsenmedia.com [63.114.249.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB6037B41A for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 11:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nmrusdunsxg1.nielsenmedia.com (nmrusdunsxg1.nielsenmedia.com [10.9.11.119]) by reliant.nielsenmedia.com (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id g43IOkM15021 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 14:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmrusdunsxg2.nielsenmedia.com (unverified) by nmrusdunsxg1.nielsenmedia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 14:24:24 -0400 Received: by nmrusdunsxg2.nielsenmedia.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 3 May 2002 14:24:46 -0400 Message-ID: <0BC5187E59E2D411A81000508BB0956901E33C9D@nmrusdunsx6.nielsenmedia.com> From: "Gray, David" To: "'freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: Kmail or Evolution Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 14:24:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmmm, I loaded Evolution from the package (obsolete V1.01, by the way.) Rather strange, I am using ssh to forward my X11 stuff to my desktop here at work (a win2K box with Cygwin/XFree86.) The main window comes up OK, but the components all barf with "Bad X11 authentication" errors. Kinda strange, the ssh forward works well, I can run most stuff, it looks to me like they aren't propogating the environment stuff so the components can find the X server, and its authorization file. Anybody run into this? Other than that, it looks trick enough to let me do some evangelism around here... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 3 18:25: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.knology.net (user-24-214-63-226.knology.net [24.214.63.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BF7337B41E for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 18:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9182 invoked by uid 8002); 4 May 2002 01:24:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grumpy.dyndns.org) (24.214.210.89) by smtp1.knology.net with SMTP; 4 May 2002 01:24:55 -0000 Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g441Ot4I038449 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 20:24:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Message-Id: <200205040124.g441Ot4I038449@grumpy.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: KMail or Evolution?? In-reply-to: Message from David Kelly of "Thu, 02 May 2002 19:31:21 CDT." <200205030031.g430VL4I021759@grumpy.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 20:24:55 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Kelly writes: > Terry Lambert writes: > > Nathan Mace wrote: > > > > I use pine. It works for me. > > > > > > I've used sylpheed before as well, but I liked Kmail better because it > > > integrated with KDE better, and had almost the same set of features. > > > > Of course, these clients are grossly incompatible. > > > > They can't even propagate the most popular email viruses... > > I would negotiate access to the mail clients' source code for you Terry > if you would volunteer to add that feature set for us. :-) I need to be more careful of what I say on mailing lists where Murphy is listening. Walked into work this morning and was mobbed by a W32.Klez hell of infection. First emergency act: no port 25 thru the firewall. In theory this isn't in my job description. In practice I'm wondering if when telephones first came out if the "telephone guru" didn't have to go around periodically and uncoil user's handset cords. Fortunately the infection was only one (distant) machine but plenty of mailboxes had copies from that machine. One reason I use Macintosh at work. Especially for internet and email. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 3 20:19:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from vienna9.his.com (vienna9.his.com [216.200.68.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D58A37B419 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 20:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.8] (root@[127.0.0.1]) by vienna9.his.com (8.11.6/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g443JC514156; Fri, 3 May 2002 23:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200205040124.g441Ot4I038449@grumpy.dyndns.org> References: <200205040124.g441Ot4I038449@grumpy.dyndns.org> X-Grok: +++ath X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=black; TextColor=black Reply-By: Wed, 1 Jan 1984 12:34:56 +0100 X-Message-Flag: Your copy of Outlook will expire in 3 days. Please contact Microsoft about purchasing a new license. Remember: software piracy is a felony! Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 05:17:50 +0200 To: David Kelly , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: KMail or Evolution?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 8:24 PM -0500 2002/05/03, David Kelly wrote: > In theory this isn't in my job description. In practice I'm wondering > if when telephones first came out if the "telephone guru" didn't have > to go around periodically and uncoil user's handset cords. Not that I know of. However, they did have to regularly go out to everyone's homes (and other places where telephones were installed) and replace the batteries, which were usually put in the wall somewhere near the phone. In those days, the phone company couldn't provide enough power over the lines to supply the phones, and lead-acid batteries were the only solution -- power from lines were either not available, or not reliable enough, and you had fights between the companies providing short-distance DC power and those providing longer-distance AC power. When the phone company started providing power over their own lines for the phones, they quickly became the largest or second-largest power supply company in the world. I think it was sometime in the 70's when the very last of the original style of battery-powered phone was retired, but you'd have to check the history books to be sure. > One reason I use Macintosh at work. Especially for internet and email. Welcome to the club. ;-) -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 3 20:32:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gbronline.com (mail.gbronline.com [12.145.226.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBEEF37B430 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 20:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daleco [12.145.236.77] by mail.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A5EE9ACE0028; Fri, 03 May 2002 22:30:54 -0500 Message-ID: <018f01c1f31c$2c3ccae0$4dec910c@daleco> From: "Kevin Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: Subject: Anyone been "postfixed"? Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 22:31:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been lurking (and occasionally posting) on -questions, -stable, and -security for some time now. I doubt I'm much help to the user community, but I try. I like FreeBSD's community environment and appreciate the fact that I can make a little $$$ with it as well. As regards the FreeBSD community-at-large, there were some "rugged" personalities on -questions, methinks, who have seemed to "drop" their habit of posting. So a question has been rolling through the vast empty spaces in my mind for some weeks now: Whatever happened to the arguably-potentially--infamous posters to the "FreeBSD as a desktop" megathreadfire on -questions some months ago? Methinks perhaps whoever runs Postfix on mx2.freebsd.org could answer this ;-) ???? Kevin Kinsey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri May 3 20:39:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD65737B41E for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 20:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B104381473; Sat, 4 May 2002 13:09:07 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 13:09:07 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: "Kevin Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anyone been "postfixed"? Message-ID: <20020504130907.J24071@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <018f01c1f31c$2c3ccae0$4dec910c@daleco> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <018f01c1f31c$2c3ccae0$4dec910c@daleco> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 3 May 2002 at 22:31:25 -0500, Kevin Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > I've been lurking (and occasionally posting) > on -questions, -stable, and -security for > some time now. I doubt I'm much help > to the user community, but I try. I like > FreeBSD's community environment and > appreciate the fact that I can make a > little $$$ with it as well. > > As regards the FreeBSD community-at-large, > there were some "rugged" personalities on > -questions, methinks, who have seemed to > "drop" their habit of posting. > > So a question has been rolling through the vast > empty spaces in my mind for some weeks now: > > Whatever happened to the arguably-potentially--infamous > posters to the "FreeBSD as a desktop" megathreadfire > on -questions some months ago? > > Methinks perhaps whoever runs Postfix on > mx2.freebsd.org could answer this ;-) ???? Hmm. It took me several reads of this to decipher it. I think what you're saying is: There were a lot of flamers on -questions a while back, and now they're gone. Did this happen because of discrete (or otherwise) use of Postfix? If that's the question, I'm pretty sure the answer is no. If it has happened, it would have been without the consent or knowledge of the core team. We have on occasion blocked people, but it's been a long time since the last time. In general, we've found that blocking obnoxious posters doesn't work. Last time we tried it, the person in question just changed his email address and started spamming us in earnest. 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--boundary42-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 4 10:38:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from energyhq.homeip.net (213-97-200-73.uc.nombres.ttd.es [213.97.200.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F16E37B491 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 10:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by energyhq.homeip.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C198D3FCAC; Sat, 4 May 2002 19:37:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 19:37:47 +0200 From: Miguel Mendez To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: The www.operdarwin.org site Message-ID: <20020504193747.A18546@energyhq.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I've just read about it in /. I was a bit surprised to see Jordan in the core team. Not surprised in the sense that he is the one to be there (he works for Apple, after all), but find it a bit odd that this shows up a few days after he left freebsd-core. Anyway, I hope he commits a lot of code into the Darwin tree, which might be used for FreeBSD. I assume he'll have more time to hack on Darwin than he had for FreeBSD now that he doesn't have to deal with politics. Cheers, --=20 Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.homeip.net GPG Public Key :: http://energyhq.homeip.net/files/pubkey.txt EnergyHQ :: http://www.energyhq.tk FreeBSD - The power to serve! --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE81BxrnLctrNyFFPERAuqRAJwMyfBCbTNnLscjqkSSRf81IdTeqwCfY9sM B8Y6IHDEFlOj5ZHIp/yr3do= =0Grw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 4 10:39:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC5837B432 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 10:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1743VR-0000Tw-00; Sat, 04 May 2002 10:39:37 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: KMail or Evolution?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 3 May 2002, David Kelly wrote: > I need to be more careful of what I say on mailing lists where Murphy is > listening. Walked into work this morning and was mobbed by a W32.Klez > hell of infection. > One reason I use Macintosh at work. Especially for internet and email. On Sat, 4 May 2002, Brad Knowles wrote: > Welcome to the club. ;-) What advantage does Macintosh have over FreeBSD in regards to this W32.Klez? Jeremy C. Reed http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 4 10:41: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from energyhq.homeip.net (213-97-200-73.uc.nombres.ttd.es [213.97.200.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A9A37B416 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 10:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by energyhq.homeip.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DEAEC3FCAC; Sat, 4 May 2002 19:41:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 19:41:05 +0200 From: Miguel Mendez To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The www.opeNdarwin.org site Message-ID: <20020504194105.B18546@energyhq.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20020504193747.A18546@energyhq.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="98e8jtXdkpgskNou" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020504193747.A18546@energyhq.homeip.net>; from flynn@energyhq.homeip.net on Sat, May 04, 2002 at 07:37:47PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --98e8jtXdkpgskNou Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable *sigh* I hate replying to myself, the site is, of course, http://www.opendarwin.org=20 Cheers, --=20 Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.homeip.net GPG Public Key :: http://energyhq.homeip.net/files/pubkey.txt EnergyHQ :: http://www.energyhq.tk FreeBSD - The power to serve! --98e8jtXdkpgskNou Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE81B0xnLctrNyFFPERAonrAKC3MlLIHPWJS4BJFIu0SjfMqPSyIACfTveV vOjOvZ1uvYWyG1Kn9Bxltu0= =oKdA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --98e8jtXdkpgskNou-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat May 4 20: 6:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gbronline.com (mail.gbronline.com [12.145.226.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E0E37B404 for ; Sat, 4 May 2002 20:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daleco [12.145.236.176] by mail.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.06) id A1808C250062; Sat, 04 May 2002 22:05:36 -0500 Message-ID: <007201c1f3e1$d15feb40$b0ec910c@daleco> From: "Kevin Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: "Miguel Mendez" , References: <20020504193747.A18546@energyhq.homeip.net> Subject: Re: The www.operdarwin.org site Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 22:06:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Miguel Mendez" >To: >Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 12:37 PM >Subject: The www.operdarwin.org site So, JordaN K is no longer among us? Is there something lying around that would list his many "current" hats? Thanks, Kevin Kinsey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message