From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 14 5: 7:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457B137B400 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 05:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www3.pobox.sk (www3.pobox.sk [212.5.216.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C896143E6A for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 05:07:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sosak_wow@pobox.sk) Received: from www3.pobox.sk (www3.pobox.sk [212.5.216.13]) by www3.pobox.sk (POBOX server v.III/1.2) with SMTP id OAA06301 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:11:24 +0200 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 14:11:24 +0200 Message-Id: <200207141211.OAA06301@www3.pobox.sk> From: Rado Borlandak Reply-To: Rado Borlandak Subject: Start of slovak translation To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Pobox-Id: 986004161 X-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Mailer: POBOX (mico's engine 5.0/4.0.1) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I`d like to tell you, that me and my friend has started translating=20 of handbook to the slovak language. We are translating the handbook chapter by chapter and the translated=20 parts are available on http://handbook.txt.sk/ We created a mailing list for people who would like to subscribe and=20 help us with translations.. that mail address to register:=20 handbook@txt.sk Best regards, [sosak] =20 =0A____________________________________=0Ahttp://www.logofun.pobox.sk - uro= bte radost svojmu telefonu=0A To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 14 9:20:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33AE237B400 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp040.tiscali.dk (smtp040.tiscali.dk [212.54.64.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF45143E91 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:20:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from antra@antra.dk) Received: from cpmail.dk.tiscali.com (mail.tiscali.dk [212.54.64.159]) by smtp040.tiscali.dk (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6EGJUk3020166 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:20:09 +0200 (MEST) Received: from antra (62.79.44.157) by cpmail.dk.tiscali.com (6.0.053) id 3D2D5537000419AE for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:20:10 +0200 From: "Anders Demant Petersen" To: Subject: Document not found - http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:20:10 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey, There's a broken link from the News Flash page (click Announcements in the left menubar on the frontpage): FreeBSD News Flash FreeBSD is a rapidly developing operating system. Keeping up on the latest developments can be a chore! To keep on top of things, be sure and check this page periodically. Also, you may wish to subscribe to the "freebsd-announce mailing list" <-- that's the link. /Anders Demant Petersen - Antra To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 14 9:30: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29BF37B400 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA4643E58 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-b121.otenet.gr [212.205.244.129]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6EGU0PY021526; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:30:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6EGTxft037698; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:29:59 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6EGTxhv037697; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:29:59 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:29:58 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Anders Demant Petersen Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Document not found - http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html Message-ID: <20020714162958.GA37631@hades.hell.gr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: C1EB 0653 DB8B A557 3829 00F9 D60F 941A 3186 03B6 X-Phone: +30-944-116520 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-07-14 18:20 +0000, Anders Demant Petersen wrote: > Hey, > > There's a broken link from the News Flash page (click Announcements in the > left menubar on the frontpage): > > FreeBSD News Flash > FreeBSD is a rapidly developing operating system. Keeping up on the latest > developments can be a chore! To keep on top of things, be sure and check > this page periodically. Also, you may wish to subscribe to the > "freebsd-announce mailing list" <-- that's the link. Fixed, thanks :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 14 11:51:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFF737B400; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gnome01.net.rol.ru (gnome01.net.rol.ru [194.67.1.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC7943E67; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:50:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rostok@smartlink.net.ua) Received: from ts1-a11.kiev.sovam.net.ua ([212.109.32.43]:57095 "HELO rostok" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]" whoson: "-unregistered-" smtp-auth: TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER: ) by gnome01.net.rol.ru with SMTP id ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:44:41 +0400 From: ROSTOK Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Subject: Семинары в июле Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:51:41 +0300 Message-Id: <20020714184441Z3976252-9131+11638@gnome01.net.rol.ru> To: unlisted-recipients: ;(no To-header on input) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ************************************************************************************* INTERNATIONAL CENTRE for INFORMATION & CONSULTING МЕЖДУНАРОДНЫЙ ИНФОРМАЦИОННО - КОНСАЛТИНГОВЫЙ ЦЕНТР ************************************************************************************* г. Киев, тел.: (044) 4590282, 2372025 ************************************************************************************* приглашает представителей украинских и зарубежных фирм, банков, страховых компаний и частных лиц принять участие в семинарах-практикумах. Место проведения: конференц-зал УкрНИИАТ (г. Киев, ул.Фрунзе,19/21 - ст. м. "Контрактовая площадь"). <}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<} АНАЛИЗ ФИНАНСОВЫХ РЕЗУЛЬТАТОВ ДЕЯТЕЛЬНОСТИ ОРГАНИЗАЦИИ 16 июля 2002 г. Слушатели семинара смогут освоить современный рабочий инструментарий анализа и прогнозирования финансовых результатов, разработанный в соответствии с требованиями законодательства Украины и международных стандартов финансовой отчетности. Комплексная методика анализа финансовых результатов, раскрываемая на семинаре, имеет прикладной характер и была успешно апробирована на украинских предприятиях различных форм собственности и сфер деятельности. Целевая аудитория: руководители предприятий, финансовые директора и финансовые менеджеры, специалисты по финансовому анализу и планированию, другие заинтересованные лица. Ведет семинар: ОЛЕГ ПЕЛЕЩАК - независимый эксперт в области финансового анализа и планирования. Внешний консультант известных торговых компаний UNITRADE, FOZZY, BILLA, МЕЗОКРЕД и др. Автор уникальных методик финансового анализа и прогнозирования. Автор многих статей и публикаций по проблемам диагностики финансового состояния компаний и контроллинга. ПРОГРАММА СЕМИНАРА: } Система информационного обеспечения анализа финансовых результатов. } Составляющие финансового результата деятельности организации. } Структурный анализ отчета о прибылях и убытках. } Динамический (горизонтальный) анализ. } Влияние учетной политики и инфляции на финансовые результаты организации. } Анализ доходов, расходов и финансовых результатов от текущей деятельности. } Методы анализа, планирования и внутреннего контроля прибыли: анализ достаточной прибыли для поддержания текущей платежеспособности; анализ прибыли от инвестиционной и финансовой деятельности. } Устойчивость фирмы. Взаимосвязь показателей рентабельности и устойчивости. } Прогнозирование финансовых результатов. } Ситуационное моделирование в прогнозировании финансовых результатов. Риски и реальность прогнозов. } Управление формированием прибыли от продаж товаров (работ, услуг). } Анализ доходности: основные показатели, характеризующие доходность деятельности организации (рентабельность, прибыльность) и их использование для целей анализа финансовых результатов. } Показатели рентабельности и их взаимосвязь. } Факторный анализ рентабельности. } Эффективность деятельности и цели предприятия. } Инвестиционная привлекательность предприятия. СТОИМОСТЬ УЧАСТИЯ В СЕМИНАРЕ: 450 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 1,2 ряду (V.I.P. место). 410 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 3-5 ряду. <}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<} ФИНАНСОВЫЕ ИНСТРУМЕНТЫ ОЦЕНКИ ЭФФЕКТИВНОСТИ ПРОДАЖ С ИСПОЛЬЗОВАНИЕМ РЕСУРСОВ ПРЕДПРИЯТИЯ 17 июля 2002 г. Семинар адресован финансовым директорам, главным бухгалтерам, финансовым аналитикам, руководителям экономических и плановых отделов, специалистов и консультантов по управлению. В ходе семинара слушатели смогут узнать, как по основным исходным данным управленческого учета определить все наиболее важные финансовые показатели эффективности и устойчивости бизнес процессов в рамках текущего и будущего периода и построить "профиль финансовой эффективности" компании? Как измерить эффект от продаж по отдельной товарной позиции и оценить эффективность использования ресурсов, задействованных этой товарной позицией? Как рассчитать эффективность использования заемных средств? Знание подходов к решению этих и других задач позволяет существенно повысить качество управленческих решений в контуре продаж и управления ресурсами. На семинаре дается полное описание финансового механизма коммерческой деятельности компании как единого и взаимосвязанного целого; все финансовые показатели эффективности, устойчивости и чувствительности бизнес процессов определяются на базе семи ключевых финансовых параметров, характеризующих результаты деятельности компании за отчетный период. В ПРОГРАММЕ СЕМИНАРА: } Задачи финансового анализа компании. } Исходные финансовые данные, необходимые для управления бизнес процессами, оценка полезности полученной финансовой информации для принятия управленческих решений. } Задачи финансового анализа на уровне всей компании и на локальных уровнях: отдельных направлений деятельности, отдельных операций и видов продукции. } Финансовый анализ эффективности продаж. } Финансовые показатели эффективности, устойчивости и чувствительности к отклонениям бизнес процесса по продажам на уровне компании в целом; анализ эффективности продаж по отдельным видам продукции; классификация видов продукции компании по эффективности продаж. } Финансовый анализ эффективности использования собственных ресурсов. } Основные показатели оценки эффективности использования ресурсов. } Финансовые показатели, необходимые для построения "профиля финансовой эффективности" компании. } Финансовые механизмы изменения "профиля финансовой эффективности". } Методы оценки эффективности использования ресурсов на локальных уровнях. } Финансовый анализ эффективности использования кредитных ресурсов. } Преимущества и риски, связанные с использованием платных кредитных ресурсов. } Критическое состояние бизнес процесса по эффективности использования кредитных ресурсов. } Эффект операционного рычага и эффект финансового рычага (операционный и финансовый леверидж): методика расчета показателей и характерные графики изменения этих показателей в зависимости от объема продаж. } Определение сопряженного эффекта финансового и операционного рычагов. } Расчет показателей эффективности использования кредитных ресурсов. ВЕДЕТ СЕМИНАР: Константин Полосков - старший корпоративный менеджер управления корпоративного банкинга АППБ "Аваль" Любим Герасименко - казначей компании "Филипп Моррис Украина" ЦЕЛЕВАЯ АУДИТОРИЯ: Руководители предприятий, менеджеры отделов и служб сбыта, маркетинга украинских и зарубежных предприятий, частные лица, заинтересованные в получении достоверной информации. СТОИМОСТЬ УЧАСТИЯ В СЕМИНАРЕ: 450 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 1,2 ряду (V.I.P. место). 410 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 3-5 ряду. <}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<} ОБЕСПЕЧЕНИЕ РОСТА ПРОДАЖ в условиях жесткой конкуренции 23 июля 2002 г. Для того, чтобы добиться прироста объема реализации продукции, выйти на новые сегменты рынка, необходимо эффективно управлять продажами, используя для этого весь арсенал испытанных средств и приемов, применяемый для удержания и укрепления конкурентных позиций. Отличительной особенностью предлагаемого семинара является комплексный подход к управлению продажами, построенный на основе целостной системы знаний и навыков - от подготовки и планирования продаж до использования практических методов управления клиентом. Целевая аудитория: руководители и специалисты отделов маркетинга и маркетинговых служб, менеджеров по продажам как торговых компаний, так и производственных предприятий, самостоятельно реализующих свою продукцию. Бизнес-тренер: А.С. КОЛМЫКОВ - бизнес-консультант по торговле. Прошел обучение в институте "AGIT" (Германия) и стажировку в Торговой Компании "METRO" (Бельгия), "MACRO" (Польша). Постоянный консультант компаний CARREFOUR, HIT, E.LECLERC, GEANT, GLOBI, BILLA, FOZZY, МЕГАМАРКЕТ, ЛЯ ФУРШЕТ, Печерский Торговый Центр. ПРОГРАММА СЕМИНАРА: } Профессиональная подготовка продаж: сбор информации, выявление достоинств и особенностей продаваемого товара; рекламная подготовка продаж. Планирование этапов реализации и составление графика работ в контуре продаж } Системы и методы продаж: продажи через собственную сеть, директ-маркетинг, сетевой маркетинг } Организация сбыта. Построение каналов товародвижения в различных системах продаж. Механизмы стимулирования продаж. Система скидок и льгот, предоставляемых различным категориям клиентов } Планирование увеличения продаж: технологии определения целевых групп клиентов и планирование сбытовых мероприятий для таких групп; нормативы продаж } Выбор стратегии ценообразования и прогнозирование тенденций изменения ценовой ситуации. Планирование ценообразования в контуре продаж } Управление клиентом на предпродажной стадии: типы и стереотипы клиентов, в ыявление реальных и мнимых потребностей клиента, техники позитивной мотивации и убеждения клиента, действия продавца при негативной реакции клиента, ответы на возражения клиента. Способы разрешения конфликтных ситуаций } Процедура продаж: этапы, методы; техника ведения переговоров; начало, оформление и завершение сделки. Работа с неплатежами клиентов } Учет затрат в контуре продаж. Оценка эффективности рекламной кампании } Управление персоналом по продажам. Разработка индивидуальных планов менеджеров по объемам продаж. Мотивация и системы стимулирования персонала отдела продаж. СТОИМОСТЬ УЧАСТИЯ В СЕМИНАРЕ: 470 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 1,2 ряду (V.I.P. место). 430 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 3-5 ряду <}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<} КАК ВЕРНУТЬ ДОЛГ? ПРОБЛЕМЫ ИСПОЛНЕНИЯ СУДЕБНЫХ РЕШЕНИЙ 24 июля 2002 г. Практически все предприятия Украины сталкиваются с проблемой исполнения различных судебных решений. К сожалению, отсутствие у должника денежных средств и имущества, бездеятельность судебных исполнителей, а также препятствий местных властей, препятствует быстрому исполнению решений. Как правильно и быстро исполнить судебные решения расскажут компетентные представители Минюста, Академии СБУ. В программе семинара: } Возврат долгов и погашение дебиторской задолженности - основа пополнения оборотных средств. } Функции Государственной исполнительной службы при решении проблемы долгов. } Порядок обращения взыскания на различные виды активов. } Исполнение международных судебных решений за рубежом. БИЗНЕС-ТРЕНЕР: Кузь А.Р. - заместитель директора Департамента государственной исполнительной службы Министерства Юстиции Украины. Обидина И.Ф. - начальник отдела исполнения международных судебных решений Министерства Юстиции Украины. Сушков Р.А. - преподаватель уголовного права Академии СБУ. Боровик И.В. - адвокат. В СЕМИНАРЕ ПРИНИМАЮТ УЧАСТИЕ: Руководители Государственного специализированного предприятия "Укрспец'юст". Известные аудиторы ЦЕЛЕВАЯ АУДИТОРИЯ: Руководители предприятий, начальники юридических служб, юристы украинских и иностранных предприятий, страховые компании и банки, представители юридических, консалтинговых, аудиторских фирм, частные лица, заинтересованные в получении достоверной информации. СТОИМОСТЬ УЧАСТИЯ В СЕМИНАРЕ: 350 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 1,2 ряду (V.I.P. место). 299 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 3-5 ряду <}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<} ПОСТАНОВКА УПРАВЛЕНЧЕСКОГО УЧЕТА НА ПРЕДПРИЯТИИ. ОСНОВЫ КОНТРОЛЛИНГА 25 июля 2002 г. Базовый семинар для финансовых директоров, главных бухгалтеров предприятий, специалистов в области управления финансами. Программа разработана с учетом практического опыта постановки управленческого учета на украинских предприятиях. Целевая аудитория: руководители предприятий, финансовые директора и финансовые менеджеры, специалисты по финансовому анализу и планированию, другие заинтересованные лица. Бизнес-тренер: ОЛЕГ ПЕЛЕЩАК - независимый эксперт в области финансового анализа и планирования. Внешний консультант известных торговых компаний UNITRADE, FOZZY, BILLA, МЕЗОКРЕД и др. Автор уникальных методик финансового анализа и прогнозирования. Автор многих статей и публикаций по проблемам диагностики финансового состояния компаний и контроллинга. В ПРОГРАММЕ СЕМИНАРА: } Управленческий учет как основа для принятия решений на предприятии. Пользователи, цели, качественные характеристики и основные принципы организации системы управленческого учета. Объект управленческого учета. } Время как ограниченный ресурс в управленческом учете. Особенности управленческого учета в зависимости от вида бизнеса, отрасли, предприятия. Интеграция бухгалтерского и управленческого учета: проблемы и решения. Управленческий учет по формуле "три в одном". Финансовая структура, ее использования для построения системы управленческого учета. Элементы учета организационной структуры, стратегии, маркетинга, логистики в системе управленческого учета. Структура управленческого учета: разработка принципов, положений и регламентов, необходимых для постановки управленческого учета. Формат учетной политики для целей управленческого учета. } Управленческий учет в условиях современных технологий. } Цепочка Управленческий учет - Прогнозирование - Принятие решений как основа управления предприятием. Методики использования данных управленческого учета для оценки результатов работы предприятия, принятия решений: Activity Based Costing (ABC) и Strategic Cost Management (SCM) как инструменты анализа состояния предприятия. } Основы теории принятия решений. Принятие решений при отсутствии четких критериев. } Особенности введения управленческого учета в холдингах. } Основы контроллинга: место финансового контролера в структуре принятия решений предприятия; организация внутренней системы контроля и документооборота; рычаги контроля на предприятии. Принципы выбора автоматизированной системы управленческого учета. Необходимые компоненты успешного проекта автоматизации. СТОИМОСТЬ УЧАСТИЯ В СЕМИНАРЕ: 450 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 1,2 ряду (V.I.P. место). 410 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 3-5 ряду. ************************************************************************************ ДЛЯ УЧАСТИЯ В СЕМИНАРЕ: зарегистрироваться, связавшись с Центральным офисом по телефону: (044) 4590282, 2372025, сообщив: название организации, ФИО и должность участника. Получить счет для оплаты по факсу. 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Киев, тел.: (044) 4590282, 2372025 ************************************************************************************* приглашает представителей украинских и зарубежных фирм, банков, страховых компаний и частных лиц принять участие в семинарах-практикумах. Место проведения: конференц-зал УкрНИИАТ (г. Киев, ул.Фрунзе,19/21 - ст. м. "Контрактовая площадь"). <}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<} АНАЛИЗ ФИНАНСОВЫХ РЕЗУЛЬТАТОВ ДЕЯТЕЛЬНОСТИ ОРГАНИЗАЦИИ 16 июля 2002 г. Слушатели семинара смогут освоить современный рабочий инструментарий анализа и прогнозирования финансовых результатов, разработанный в соответствии с требованиями законодательства Украины и международных стандартов финансовой отчетности. Комплексная методика анализа финансовых результатов, раскрываемая на семинаре, имеет прикладной характер и была успешно апробирована на украинских предприятиях различных форм собственности и сфер деятельности. Целевая аудитория: руководители предприятий, финансовые директора и финансовые менеджеры, специалисты по финансовому анализу и планированию, другие заинтересованные лица. Ведет семинар: ОЛЕГ ПЕЛЕЩАК - независимый эксперт в области финансового анализа и планирования. Внешний консультант известных торговых компаний UNITRADE, FOZZY, BILLA, МЕЗОКРЕД и др. Автор уникальных методик финансового анализа и прогнозирования. Автор многих статей и публикаций по проблемам диагностики финансового состояния компаний и контроллинга. ПРОГРАММА СЕМИНАРА: } Система информационного обеспечения анализа финансовых результатов. } Составляющие финансового результата деятельности организации. } Структурный анализ отчета о прибылях и убытках. } Динамический (горизонтальный) анализ. } Влияние учетной политики и инфляции на финансовые результаты организации. } Анализ доходов, расходов и финансовых результатов от текущей деятельности. } Методы анализа, планирования и внутреннего контроля прибыли: анализ достаточной прибыли для поддержания текущей платежеспособности; анализ прибыли от инвестиционной и финансовой деятельности. } Устойчивость фирмы. Взаимосвязь показателей рентабельности и устойчивости. } Прогнозирование финансовых результатов. } Ситуационное моделирование в прогнозировании финансовых результатов. Риски и реальность прогнозов. } Управление формированием прибыли от продаж товаров (работ, услуг). } Анализ доходности: основные показатели, характеризующие доходность деятельности организации (рентабельность, прибыльность) и их использование для целей анализа финансовых результатов. } Показатели рентабельности и их взаимосвязь. } Факторный анализ рентабельности. } Эффективность деятельности и цели предприятия. } Инвестиционная привлекательность предприятия. СТОИМОСТЬ УЧАСТИЯ В СЕМИНАРЕ: 450 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 1,2 ряду (V.I.P. место). 410 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 3-5 ряду. <}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<} ФИНАНСОВЫЕ ИНСТРУМЕНТЫ ОЦЕНКИ ЭФФЕКТИВНОСТИ ПРОДАЖ С ИСПОЛЬЗОВАНИЕМ РЕСУРСОВ ПРЕДПРИЯТИЯ 17 июля 2002 г. Семинар адресован финансовым директорам, главным бухгалтерам, финансовым аналитикам, руководителям экономических и плановых отделов, специалистов и консультантов по управлению. В ходе семинара слушатели смогут узнать, как по основным исходным данным управленческого учета определить все наиболее важные финансовые показатели эффективности и устойчивости бизнес процессов в рамках текущего и будущего периода и построить "профиль финансовой эффективности" компании? Как измерить эффект от продаж по отдельной товарной позиции и оценить эффективность использования ресурсов, задействованных этой товарной позицией? Как рассчитать эффективность использования заемных средств? Знание подходов к решению этих и других задач позволяет существенно повысить качество управленческих решений в контуре продаж и управления ресурсами. На семинаре дается полное описание финансового механизма коммерческой деятельности компании как единого и взаимосвязанного целого; все финансовые показатели эффективности, устойчивости и чувствительности бизнес процессов определяются на базе семи ключевых финансовых параметров, характеризующих результаты деятельности компании за отчетный период. В ПРОГРАММЕ СЕМИНАРА: } Задачи финансового анализа компании. } Исходные финансовые данные, необходимые для управления бизнес процессами, оценка полезности полученной финансовой информации для принятия управленческих решений. } Задачи финансового анализа на уровне всей компании и на локальных уровнях: отдельных направлений деятельности, отдельных операций и видов продукции. } Финансовый анализ эффективности продаж. } Финансовые показатели эффективности, устойчивости и чувствительности к отклонениям бизнес процесса по продажам на уровне компании в целом; анализ эффективности продаж по отдельным видам продукции; классификация видов продукции компании по эффективности продаж. } Финансовый анализ эффективности использования собственных ресурсов. } Основные показатели оценки эффективности использования ресурсов. } Финансовые показатели, необходимые для построения "профиля финансовой эффективности" компании. } Финансовые механизмы изменения "профиля финансовой эффективности". } Методы оценки эффективности использования ресурсов на локальных уровнях. } Финансовый анализ эффективности использования кредитных ресурсов. } Преимущества и риски, связанные с использованием платных кредитных ресурсов. } Критическое состояние бизнес процесса по эффективности использования кредитных ресурсов. } Эффект операционного рычага и эффект финансового рычага (операционный и финансовый леверидж): методика расчета показателей и характерные графики изменения этих показателей в зависимости от объема продаж. } Определение сопряженного эффекта финансового и операционного рычагов. } Расчет показателей эффективности использования кредитных ресурсов. ВЕДЕТ СЕМИНАР: Константин Полосков - старший корпоративный менеджер управления корпоративного банкинга АППБ "Аваль" Любим Герасименко - казначей компании "Филипп Моррис Украина" ЦЕЛЕВАЯ АУДИТОРИЯ: Руководители предприятий, менеджеры отделов и служб сбыта, маркетинга украинских и зарубежных предприятий, частные лица, заинтересованные в получении достоверной информации. СТОИМОСТЬ УЧАСТИЯ В СЕМИНАРЕ: 450 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 1,2 ряду (V.I.P. место). 410 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 3-5 ряду. <}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<} ОБЕСПЕЧЕНИЕ РОСТА ПРОДАЖ в условиях жесткой конкуренции 23 июля 2002 г. Для того, чтобы добиться прироста объема реализации продукции, выйти на новые сегменты рынка, необходимо эффективно управлять продажами, используя для этого весь арсенал испытанных средств и приемов, применяемый для удержания и укрепления конкурентных позиций. Отличительной особенностью предлагаемого семинара является комплексный подход к управлению продажами, построенный на основе целостной системы знаний и навыков - от подготовки и планирования продаж до использования практических методов управления клиентом. Целевая аудитория: руководители и специалисты отделов маркетинга и маркетинговых служб, менеджеров по продажам как торговых компаний, так и производственных предприятий, самостоятельно реализующих свою продукцию. Бизнес-тренер: А.С. КОЛМЫКОВ - бизнес-консультант по торговле. Прошел обучение в институте "AGIT" (Германия) и стажировку в Торговой Компании "METRO" (Бельгия), "MACRO" (Польша). Постоянный консультант компаний CARREFOUR, HIT, E.LECLERC, GEANT, GLOBI, BILLA, FOZZY, МЕГАМАРКЕТ, ЛЯ ФУРШЕТ, Печерский Торговый Центр. ПРОГРАММА СЕМИНАРА: } Профессиональная подготовка продаж: сбор информации, выявление достоинств и особенностей продаваемого товара; рекламная подготовка продаж. Планирование этапов реализации и составление графика работ в контуре продаж } Системы и методы продаж: продажи через собственную сеть, директ-маркетинг, сетевой маркетинг } Организация сбыта. Построение каналов товародвижения в различных системах продаж. Механизмы стимулирования продаж. Система скидок и льгот, предоставляемых различным категориям клиентов } Планирование увеличения продаж: технологии определения целевых групп клиентов и планирование сбытовых мероприятий для таких групп; нормативы продаж } Выбор стратегии ценообразования и прогнозирование тенденций изменения ценовой ситуации. Планирование ценообразования в контуре продаж } Управление клиентом на предпродажной стадии: типы и стереотипы клиентов, в ыявление реальных и мнимых потребностей клиента, техники позитивной мотивации и убеждения клиента, действия продавца при негативной реакции клиента, ответы на возражения клиента. Способы разрешения конфликтных ситуаций } Процедура продаж: этапы, методы; техника ведения переговоров; начало, оформление и завершение сделки. Работа с неплатежами клиентов } Учет затрат в контуре продаж. Оценка эффективности рекламной кампании } Управление персоналом по продажам. Разработка индивидуальных планов менеджеров по объемам продаж. Мотивация и системы стимулирования персонала отдела продаж. СТОИМОСТЬ УЧАСТИЯ В СЕМИНАРЕ: 470 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 1,2 ряду (V.I.P. место). 430 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 3-5 ряду <}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<} КАК ВЕРНУТЬ ДОЛГ? ПРОБЛЕМЫ ИСПОЛНЕНИЯ СУДЕБНЫХ РЕШЕНИЙ 24 июля 2002 г. Практически все предприятия Украины сталкиваются с проблемой исполнения различных судебных решений. К сожалению, отсутствие у должника денежных средств и имущества, бездеятельность судебных исполнителей, а также препятствий местных властей, препятствует быстрому исполнению решений. Как правильно и быстро исполнить судебные решения расскажут компетентные представители Минюста, Академии СБУ. В программе семинара: } Возврат долгов и погашение дебиторской задолженности - основа пополнения оборотных средств. } Функции Государственной исполнительной службы при решении проблемы долгов. } Порядок обращения взыскания на различные виды активов. } Исполнение международных судебных решений за рубежом. БИЗНЕС-ТРЕНЕР: Кузь А.Р. - заместитель директора Департамента государственной исполнительной службы Министерства Юстиции Украины. Обидина И.Ф. - начальник отдела исполнения международных судебных решений Министерства Юстиции Украины. Сушков Р.А. - преподаватель уголовного права Академии СБУ. Боровик И.В. - адвокат. В СЕМИНАРЕ ПРИНИМАЮТ УЧАСТИЕ: Руководители Государственного специализированного предприятия "Укрспец'юст". Известные аудиторы ЦЕЛЕВАЯ АУДИТОРИЯ: Руководители предприятий, начальники юридических служб, юристы украинских и иностранных предприятий, страховые компании и банки, представители юридических, консалтинговых, аудиторских фирм, частные лица, заинтересованные в получении достоверной информации. СТОИМОСТЬ УЧАСТИЯ В СЕМИНАРЕ: 350 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 1,2 ряду (V.I.P. место). 299 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 3-5 ряду <}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<}<} ПОСТАНОВКА УПРАВЛЕНЧЕСКОГО УЧЕТА НА ПРЕДПРИЯТИИ. ОСНОВЫ КОНТРОЛЛИНГА 25 июля 2002 г. Базовый семинар для финансовых директоров, главных бухгалтеров предприятий, специалистов в области управления финансами. Программа разработана с учетом практического опыта постановки управленческого учета на украинских предприятиях. Целевая аудитория: руководители предприятий, финансовые директора и финансовые менеджеры, специалисты по финансовому анализу и планированию, другие заинтересованные лица. Бизнес-тренер: ОЛЕГ ПЕЛЕЩАК - независимый эксперт в области финансового анализа и планирования. Внешний консультант известных торговых компаний UNITRADE, FOZZY, BILLA, МЕЗОКРЕД и др. Автор уникальных методик финансового анализа и прогнозирования. Автор многих статей и публикаций по проблемам диагностики финансового состояния компаний и контроллинга. В ПРОГРАММЕ СЕМИНАРА: } Управленческий учет как основа для принятия решений на предприятии. Пользователи, цели, качественные характеристики и основные принципы организации системы управленческого учета. Объект управленческого учета. } Время как ограниченный ресурс в управленческом учете. Особенности управленческого учета в зависимости от вида бизнеса, отрасли, предприятия. Интеграция бухгалтерского и управленческого учета: проблемы и решения. Управленческий учет по формуле "три в одном". Финансовая структура, ее использования для построения системы управленческого учета. Элементы учета организационной структуры, стратегии, маркетинга, логистики в системе управленческого учета. Структура управленческого учета: разработка принципов, положений и регламентов, необходимых для постановки управленческого учета. Формат учетной политики для целей управленческого учета. } Управленческий учет в условиях современных технологий. } Цепочка Управленческий учет - Прогнозирование - Принятие решений как основа управления предприятием. Методики использования данных управленческого учета для оценки результатов работы предприятия, принятия решений: Activity Based Costing (ABC) и Strategic Cost Management (SCM) как инструменты анализа состояния предприятия. } Основы теории принятия решений. Принятие решений при отсутствии четких критериев. } Особенности введения управленческого учета в холдингах. } Основы контроллинга: место финансового контролера в структуре принятия решений предприятия; организация внутренней системы контроля и документооборота; рычаги контроля на предприятии. Принципы выбора автоматизированной системы управленческого учета. Необходимые компоненты успешного проекта автоматизации. СТОИМОСТЬ УЧАСТИЯ В СЕМИНАРЕ: 450 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 1,2 ряду (V.I.P. место). 410 грн. без НДС (единый налог) - за одного участника с местом в 3-5 ряду. ************************************************************************************ ДЛЯ УЧАСТИЯ В СЕМИНАРЕ: зарегистрироваться, связавшись с Центральным офисом по телефону: (044) 4590282, 2372025, сообщив: название организации, ФИО и должность участника. Получить счет для оплаты по факсу. 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Аудиторська фірма " Костконтрол" працює на ринку аудиторських послуг з 1995 року, згідно Свідоцтва про внесення до реєстру суб'єктів аудиторської діяльності № 1147, видане Аудиторською Палатою України. Ми готові надати Вам комплекс аудиторських та консультаційних послуг для підприємств різних форм власності. Наша робота з клієнтами ведеться по таким напрямкам: * проведення обов'язкового аудиту ( підтвердження достовірності та повноти річної фінансової звітності для акціонерних товариств); !!!Звіти закритим акціонерним товариствам до 30.09.02!!! 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Аудиторська фірма " Костконтрол" працює на ринку аудиторських послуг з 1995 року, згідно Свідоцтва про внесення до реєстру суб'єктів аудиторської діяльності № 1147, видане Аудиторською Палатою України. Ми готові надати Вам комплекс аудиторських та консультаційних послуг для підприємств різних форм власності. Наша робота з клієнтами ведеться по таким напрямкам: * проведення обов'язкового аудиту ( підтвердження достовірності та повноти річної фінансової звітності для акціонерних товариств); !!!Звіти закритим акціонерним товариствам до 30.09.02!!! 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Наші контактні телефони в Києві: (044) 231-19-51, 561-84-91 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 14 15: 9: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF5737B400; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gnome05.net.rol.ru (gnome05.net.rol.ru [194.67.1.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA7343E65; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 15:08:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rostok@smartlink.net.ua) Received: from ts1-a06.kiev.sovam.net.ua ([212.109.32.38]:27144 "HELO rostok" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]" whoson: "-unregistered-" smtp-auth: TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER: ) by gnome05.net.rol.ru with SMTP id ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 02:03:53 +0400 From: ROSTOK Organization: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Subject: Услуги адвоката Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:11:03 +0300 Message-Id: <20020714220353Z3912282-24609+76228@gnome05.net.rol.ru> To: unlisted-recipients: ;(no To-header on input) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Адвокат Боровик Игорь Васильевич, г. Киев предоставляет украинским и зарубежным предприятиям квалифицированные юридические услуги: - исполнение решений Международного коммерческого арбитражного суда (МКАС) и Морской арбитражнорй комиссии (МАК) при ТПП Украины за рубежом - выполнение требований Государственной программы по возврату валютных ценностей в Украину, которые незаконно находятся за ее пределами - исполнение иностранных арбитражных решений в Украине - помощь в доставке судебных документов ответчику услуги предоставляются согласно договора на юридичесике услуги. Контактные телефоны в г. Киеве +38 (044) 4590282 , 2372025 _____________________________________________________________________________ Dear Sirs, Advocate Igor Borovyk, LL.M. 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Киев предоставляет украинским и зарубежным предприятиям квалифицированные юридические услуги: - исполнение решений Международного коммерческого арбитражного суда (МКАС) и Морской арбитражнорй комиссии (МАК) при ТПП Украины за рубежом - выполнение требований Государственной программы по возврату валютных ценностей в Украину, которые незаконно находятся за ее пределами - исполнение иностранных арбитражных решений в Украине - помощь в доставке судебных документов ответчику услуги предоставляются согласно договора на юридичесике услуги. Контактные телефоны в г. Киеве +38 (044) 4590282 , 2372025 _____________________________________________________________________________ Dear Sirs, Advocate Igor Borovyk, LL.M. Kyiv, Ukraine Provide qualified legal services for ukrainian and foreign companies, in particular: - recognation and enforcement of international Arbitral awards including Arbitral awards of International commercial arbitration court at the Ukrainian chamber of commerce and industry and Maritime arbitration commission Contact tel. +38 (044) 4590282, 2372025 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 14 18:54:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FFC37B400; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56BA343E31; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:54:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (keramida@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6F1sIJU057967; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:54:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6F1sISf057963; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <200207150154.g6F1sISf057963@freefall.freebsd.org> To: davemac11@yahoo.com, keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/40489: ^Z in systat manpage Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: ^Z in systat manpage State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: keramida State-Changed-When: Sun Jul 14 18:53:35 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: Committed to CURRENT. Thank you for submitting this. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->keramida Responsible-Changed-By: keramida Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jul 14 18:53:35 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=40489 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 14 19:22:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A793A37B400; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B6B43E31; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:22:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (keramida@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6F2MvJU065670; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:22:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6F2MvlQ065666; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:22:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <200207150222.g6F2MvlQ065666@freefall.freebsd.org> To: swear@blarg.net, keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/35967: rc.conf(5) manual missing "dumpdir" and "savecore_flags", etc. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: rc.conf(5) manual missing "dumpdir" and "savecore_flags", etc. State-Changed-From-To: open->patched State-Changed-By: keramida State-Changed-When: Sun Jul 14 19:21:54 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: "dumpdir" as already documented by the time I saw this. I've added a description of "savecore_flags" to rc.conf(5). Thanks for submitting this :) Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->keramida Responsible-Changed-By: keramida Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jul 14 19:21:54 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll handle the MFC. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=35967 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 14 19:39:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332F737B400; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:39:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D906C43E3B; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:39:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (keramida@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6F2dXJU067111; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:39:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6F2dXQ1067107; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 19:39:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <200207150239.g6F2dXQ1067107@freefall.freebsd.org> To: april@oublinet.net, keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/40527: [PATCH] Incorrect procedure documented for creating modem device in handbook (PPP chapter) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] Incorrect procedure documented for creating modem device in handbook (PPP chapter) State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: keramida State-Changed-When: Sun Jul 14 19:39:08 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: Fixed. Thanks :) Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->keramida Responsible-Changed-By: keramida Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jul 14 19:39:08 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=40527 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 14 20:23:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B9E37B400; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3148643E42; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:23:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (keramida@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6F3N8JU076772; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:23:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6F3N7bI076768; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <200207150323.g6F3N7bI076768@freefall.freebsd.org> To: pepper@rockefeller.edu, keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/39858: handbook/cutting-edge/chapter.sgml: various fixes Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: handbook/cutting-edge/chapter.sgml: various fixes State-Changed-From-To: open->patched State-Changed-By: keramida State-Changed-When: Sun Jul 14 20:22:12 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: I've extracted parts of the diff in this PR and committed them. Thanks for submitting this :) Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->keramida Responsible-Changed-By: keramida Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jul 14 20:22:12 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=39858 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 14 22:17:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA15437B400; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77ACC43E3B; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:17:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (keramida@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6F5HkJU097467; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:17:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6F5Hka6097463; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:17:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <200207150517.g6F5Hka6097463@freefall.freebsd.org> To: pepper@rockefeller.edu, keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/39757: Clarification for remote MX sendmail explanation (Handbook 18.5.3) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Clarification for remote MX sendmail explanation (Handbook 18.5.3) State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: keramida State-Changed-When: Sun Jul 14 22:15:16 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: I committed a slightly modified version of the patch. The reference to -bd 15m was replaced by `will periodically try to' which is also true and doesn't depend on the exact queue timeout that the secondary MX might have. Thanks for an excellent submission. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->keramida Responsible-Changed-By: keramida Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Jul 14 22:15:16 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=39757 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 14 22:25:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DEA37B400; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA3643E67; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:25:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (keramida@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6F5PqJU098490; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:25:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6F5PpiG098486; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:25:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:25:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <200207150525.g6F5PpiG098486@freefall.freebsd.org> To: danfe@regency.nsu.ru, keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/36844: Wrong link to top logo on Russian WWW (data/ru/index.html) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Wrong link to top logo on Russian WWW (data/ru/index.html) State-Changed-From-To: feedback->closed State-Changed-By: keramida State-Changed-When: Sun Jul 14 22:25:38 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: Feedback timeout. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=36844 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jul 14 22:41:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E4437B400; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58DF843E67; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:41:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (keramida@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6F5fQJU002971; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:41:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6F5fM6t002925; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 22:41:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <200207150541.g6F5fM6t002925@freefall.freebsd.org> To: kaworu@sektor7.ath.cx, keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/29571: [PATCH] No man page for pgrp kernel functions Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] No man page for pgrp kernel functions State-Changed-From-To: feedback->open State-Changed-By: keramida State-Changed-When: Sun Jul 14 22:40:24 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: Revert this to `open' to avoid having it closed during a feedback timeout sweep. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=29571 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 15 3:40: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138CC37B401 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E479943E6E for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6FAe3JU059208 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6FAe3Of059207; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 03:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200207151040.g6FAe3Of059207@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Marc Fonvieille Subject: Re: docs/38225 Reply-To: Marc Fonvieille Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/38225; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Marc Fonvieille To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: Trevor Johnson Subject: Re: docs/38225 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 12:27:34 +0200 Hello, About that question of "CDROM" or "CD-ROM", at first i had the same reaction as yours. However "CDROM" is the choice of the docproj, have a look to: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/x3258.html which the word list to use, and to that commit log about this problem: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install/chapter.sgml?rev=1.72&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 15 8:37: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C56D37B400; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4608D43E64; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:36:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6FFawJU040790; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:36:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6FFavoI040784; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:36:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200207151536.g6FFavoI040784@freefall.freebsd.org> To: trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/40465: ata(4) samples moved to atacontrol(4). Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: ata(4) samples moved to atacontrol(4). Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->trhodes Responsible-Changed-By: trhodes Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jul 15 08:36:33 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: I was working on this originally. 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Thanks for the submission! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=39093 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 15 11: 1: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F8937B405 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8274243E91 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:00:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6FI0UJU076025 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:00:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6FI0Sdm075976 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200207151800.g6FI0Sdm075976@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The problem is understood and a solution is being sought. f - feedback Further work requires additional information from the originator or the community - possibly confirmation of the effectiveness of a proposed solution. p - patched A patch has been committed, but some issues (MFC and / or confirmation from originator) are still open. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on, due to lack of information or resources. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested -- or when fixing the problem is abandoned. Critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2001/12/30] docs/33345 doc pnpinfo not finding info for pnp pci mode o [2002/03/09] docs/35723 doc le(4) page doesn't warn about likely syst 2 problems total. Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2001/05/23] docs/27605 doc Cross-document references () o [2002/01/15] ports/33929 doc Section 15.15 of the FreeBSD Porter's Han o [2002/03/06] docs/35620 doc make release fails in documentation for R o [2002/03/08] docs/35678 doc docproj Makefiles for web are broken for o [2002/03/21] docs/36168 doc -pthread/_THREAD_SAFE docs missing in gcc o [2002/04/01] docs/36642 doc 4.5 man page on ipfw new option limit is o [2002/04/12] docs/37029 doc The translation in Italian language of th o [2002/05/04] docs/37759 doc 'make libraries' in the Handbook o [2002/05/06] docs/37791 doc Screenshots don't show up on paper when p o [2002/05/27] docs/38608 doc DOS install directory must be X:\FreeBSD 11 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/08/10] docs/20528 doc sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix. o [2001/02/01] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/04/29] docs/26943 doc [patch] description of :C modifier is mis o [2001/05/25] docs/27653 doc Updates to send-pr.html to support MIME o [2001/05/26] docs/27654 doc Update to PR 27653 o [2001/06/30] docs/28555 doc [PATCH] style(9) isn't explicit about boo o [2001/07/04] docs/28699 doc strptime(3) %d format specifier not compl o [2001/07/26] docs/29245 doc top(1) manpage doesn't understand SMP o [2001/08/09] docs/29571 doc [PATCH] No man page for pgrp kernel funct a [2001/08/23] docs/30008 doc This document should be translated, comme o [2001/09/08] docs/30442 doc remove broken referemce to gettime(9) fro o [2001/09/13] docs/30556 doc vnconfig man page incorrect; functionalit o [2001/09/27] docs/30873 doc ``ip'' man page does not specify byte ord o [2001/10/07] docs/31109 doc replace gif images w/ png ones due to pat o [2001/10/09] docs/31164 doc man page for strftime is incorrect a [2001/10/14] docs/31271 doc rl(4) discourages vender openness by disp o [2001/10/30] docs/31653 doc Chapter 14 of the Handbook lacks content o [2001/11/15] docs/32020 doc loader.8 manpage missing tunables a [2001/11/16] docs/32041 doc Add point about net.inet.tcp.portange.{fi o [2001/11/16] docs/32054 doc inconsistency between index.3 and rindex. o [2001/12/01] docs/32425 doc Document cvs update `P file' output s [2001/12/07] docs/32578 doc A _really_ petty change to the front page o [2001/12/10] docs/32674 doc no man page for the ntp_adjtime system ca o [2002/01/04] docs/33559 doc Some patches for typos... o [2002/01/05] docs/33589 doc Patch to doc.docbook.mk to post process . o [2002/01/13] docs/33852 doc split(1) man page implies that input file o [2002/01/14] docs/33877 doc Documentet behaviour of SF_flags for non- o [2002/01/15] misc/33926 doc Search function on website can not access o [2002/02/01] docs/34529 doc [patch] Grammar nits in usbd.conf(5) and o [2002/02/03] docs/34577 doc Some man pages still advise using "confli o [2002/02/04] docs/34626 doc Copyright on "Index of /mail/current" pag o [2002/02/05] docs/34654 doc Update UIDs for porters handbook o [2002/02/15] bin/34955 doc [PATCH] ps(1) is out of touch with realit a [2002/02/16] docs/35011 doc There are no commands called "diskless" o o [2002/02/22] docs/35222 doc mailing list archive URL regexp suboptima o [2002/02/24] docs/35280 doc [PATCH] null-modem cable pinout in 'Seria o [2002/02/26] docs/35343 doc Old broken Unix docco Makefiles o [2002/02/27] docs/35378 doc Handbook has inaccurate description of f o [2002/02/28] docs/35436 doc PAO isn't very latest-and-greatest these o [2002/03/03] docs/35523 doc manpage fixes for df(1) and ls(1) o [2002/03/05] docs/35575 doc Pw(8) man page makes no mention of /var/l o [2002/03/06] docs/35602 doc dump(8)/restore(8) pages don't explain "a o [2002/03/06] docs/35607 doc dump(1) page needs discussion of scary er o [2002/03/06] docs/35608 doc mt(1) page uses "setmark" without explana o [2002/03/06] docs/35609 doc mt(1) page needs explanation of "long era o [2002/03/06] docs/35612 doc ps(1) page "state" description doesn't me o [2002/03/07] docs/35642 doc lo(4) page maybe should document optional o [2002/03/07] docs/35644 doc lo(4) page presumes familiarity with prin o [2002/03/07] docs/35646 doc cp(1) page needs a "Bugs" section. o [2002/03/07] docs/35647 doc www; combine query-by-number and multi-fi o [2002/03/07] docs/35648 doc rc.conf; add note about "flags" to both f o [2002/03/07] docs/35649 doc mount_smbfs(8) page: "See ./examples/dot. o [2002/03/07] docs/35652 doc bsd.README seriously obsolete o [2002/03/08] docs/35686 doc blackhole(4) page seems to contradict its o [2002/03/08] docs/35687 doc /etc/nsmb.conf missing mention of readers o [2002/03/08] docs/35696 doc mount_smbfs(8) references a nonexistent n o [2002/03/10] docs/35732 doc adduser(8) page has obsolete reference an o [2002/03/12] docs/35823 doc [PATCH] Little Restructuring of the Devel o [2002/03/15] docs/35939 doc ipfw(8) needs explicit statement about no o [2002/03/15] docs/35941 doc cd(4) manual doesn't mention "target" use o [2002/03/15] docs/35942 doc at(1) manual doesn't describe at.allow an o [2002/03/15] docs/35943 doc at(1) config files are misplaced in /var/ o [2002/03/15] docs/35953 doc hosts.equiv(5) manual is confusing or wro o [2002/03/18] docs/36055 doc [PATCH] adding some help-yourself-info to o [2002/03/28] docs/36432 doc Proposal for doc/share/mk: make folded bo o [2002/03/28] docs/36449 doc symlink(7) manual doesn't mention trailin o [2002/03/28] docs/36459 doc tftp(1) manual's "get" syntax/description o [2002/03/29] docs/36524 doc bad links on handbook index page o [2002/04/01] docs/36628 doc header an footer of openssl manpages are o [2002/04/03] docs/36723 doc IPSec section is unintelligible o [2002/04/03] docs/36724 doc ipnat(5) manpage grammar is incomplete an o [2002/04/03] docs/36726 doc Handbook lacks information about hardware o [2002/04/03] docs/36728 doc Handbook does not document VINUM o [2002/04/06] docs/36837 doc Handbook lacks information about setting o [2002/04/18] docs/37221 doc obsolete reference to seqpacket in mount_ o [2002/04/25] docs/37457 doc acpi(4) man page references non-existant o [2002/04/25] docs/37465 doc Handbook needs new section o [2002/04/25] docs/37470 doc jail field not documented in procfs(5) o [2002/04/27] docs/37504 doc The word PC Card should be used instead o o [2002/04/29] docs/37557 doc there is no ciss(4) RAID controller man p o [2002/04/29] docs/37558 doc there is no iir(4) RAID controller man pa o [2002/04/29] docs/37559 doc there is no ida(4) RAID man page o [2002/05/02] docs/37693 doc Minor correxion to FreeBSD Porter's Handb o [2002/05/03] docs/37719 doc Detail VOP_ naming in a relevant man-page o [2002/05/07] docs/37843 doc manual for pthread_setschedparam is wrong o [2002/05/11] docs/37952 doc Typos, missing/incorrect accents in Itali o [2002/05/13] docs/38039 doc [PATCH] Handbook has broken link for snap o [2002/05/15] docs/38117 doc New FAQ entry for memory states o [2002/05/15] docs/38118 doc New FAQ entry for amount of free memory o [2002/05/18] docs/38225 doc change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" o [2002/05/22] docs/38426 doc extra manpage .Xr to locate relevant sysc o [2002/05/25] docs/38556 doc EPS file of beastie, as addition to exist o [2002/05/26] docs/38574 doc CPUTYPE is not documented in make.conf o [2002/05/27] docs/38618 doc Malloc types can be used with multiple al o [2002/05/27] docs/38620 doc Committers Guide and CVS o [2002/05/27] docs/38630 doc Missing line break in handbook/ppp-and-sl o [2002/05/27] docs/38647 doc cvsupit built-in instructions are slightl o [2002/05/28] docs/38668 doc More s/IPSec/IPsec o [2002/05/29] docs/38728 doc How To Contribute should recommend unifie o [2002/05/31] docs/38772 doc firewall_type feature not mentioned on Ha o [2002/05/31] docs/38774 doc 4.x should be 4.X in section 6.11.2 of th o [2002/05/31] docs/38776 doc In the FAQ 4.X, 3.X, etc... should be use o [2002/06/02] docs/38810 doc Minor change in section 2.13.5 of the Han o [2002/06/02] docs/38815 doc Many typo fixed, and a question left unan o [2002/06/02] docs/38816 doc No man page for BootMgr? o [2002/06/02] docs/38817 doc /usr/share/man/man8/boot.8.gz documents / o [2002/06/07] docs/38982 doc developers-hanbook/Jail fix o [2002/06/08] docs/39038 doc Reference in a non existent man page. o [2002/06/08] docs/39044 doc The man page for rot13(6) never mentions o [2002/06/08] docs/39055 doc PR Handling Guidelines: clean up typos, c o [2002/06/09] docs/39060 doc Typos (Ths, counties) in share/misc/iso31 o [2002/06/09] docs/39084 doc Various tweaks to doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/boo o [2002/06/10] docs/39101 doc Misplaced parenthesis in the FAQ? o [2002/06/10] docs/39129 doc handbook; type WRT simulating postscript o [2002/06/11] docs/39164 doc Misprint in units(1).lib (aganist) o [2002/06/12] docs/39213 doc No rc(4) man page o [2002/06/12] docs/39214 doc No my(4) man page o [2002/06/13] docs/39257 doc printf manpage doesn't document error ret o [2002/06/14] docs/39293 doc the dumpon man page incorrectly states th o [2002/06/15] docs/39348 doc kenv fetch of hostname requires dhcp/boot o [2002/06/16] docs/39367 doc Bad link at http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbo o [2002/06/18] docs/39471 doc new chapter to the developer-handbook o [2002/06/19] docs/39530 doc access(2) man page has unnecessarily broa o [2002/06/19] docs/39532 doc 'find' man page should o [2002/06/23] docs/39748 doc [PATCH] Some changes to aio_*(2) o [2002/06/23] docs/39751 doc handbook/ports-using.html sysinstall clar o [2002/06/24] docs/39822 doc firewall.7: change "Mbits" to "Mbits/s" a o [2002/06/24] docs/39824 doc Various tweaks for doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/bo o [2002/06/25] docs/39852 doc Handbook: treatment of KERNCONF is incons o [2002/07/04] docs/40196 doc man find does not describe -follow o [2002/07/05] docs/40234 doc Typos and language cleanup in /usr/share/ o [2002/07/05] docs/40237 doc Typos in loader.conf.5 o [2002/07/05] docs/40250 doc FAQ contains reference to outdated kernel o [2002/07/07] docs/40311 doc Typos and language adjustments to ipfw.8 o [2002/07/07] docs/40313 doc Grammar, wording, and clarifications for o [2002/07/10] docs/40423 doc Keyboard(4)'s definition of parameters to o [2002/07/10] docs/40443 doc Update books/faq/book.sgml for USB .ko's 137 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 15 11:30:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A33E37B405 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6BC43E64 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:30:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6FIU6JU086572 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:30:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6FIU6dK086571; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D0637B400 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CPE0030ab0ef2bb.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (CPE0030ab0ef2bb.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.103.202.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8740843E67 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:27:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from munish@CPE0030ab0ef2bb.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Received: by CPE0030ab0ef2bb.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 422CEC30; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <20020715182815.422CEC30@CPE0030ab0ef2bb.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:28:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Munish Chopra Reply-To: Munish Chopra To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/40609: Add information about vchans to sound chapter in handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 40609 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Add information about vchans to sound chapter in handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jul 15 11:30:03 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Munish Chopra >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD CPE0030ab0ef2bb.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #2: Sun Jul 14 20:26:50 EDT 2002 munish@CPE0030ab0ef2bb.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ARCADIA i386 >Description: The Handbook has been lacking documentation of the vchans feature for quite a while now. Thanks to Orion Hodson for filling me in on the details. My apologies for the diff, I didn't check out the docs sources. It is to be applied to: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sound/chapter.sgml >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- chapter.sgml Mon Jul 15 13:43:02 2002 +++ vchans.sgml Mon Jul 15 14:22:44 2002 @@ -366,6 +366,36 @@ + + Utilizing Multiple Sound Sources + + It is often desirable to have multiple sources of sound that are able to + play simultaneously, such as when esound or + artsd don't support sharing of the sound device + with a certain application. + + FreeBSD lets you do this through `Virtual Sound Channels', which can be + set with the &man.sysctl.8; facility. Virtual channels allow you to multiplex + your sound card's playback channels by mixing sound in the kernel. + + To set the number of virtual channels, there are two sysctl knobs which, + if you are the root user, can be set like this: + + &prompt.root; sysctl hw.snd.pcm0.vchans=4 &prompt.root; + sysctl hw.snd.maxautovchans=4 + + hw.snd.pcm0.vchans is the number of vchans pcm0 has, + and is configurable once a device has been attached.hw.snd.maxautovchans + is the number of vchans a new audio device is given when it is + attached using &man.kldload.8;. Since the pcm module can be loaded independently + of the hardware drivers, hw.snd.maxautovchans can store how + many vchans any devices which are attached later will be given. + + If you are not using &man.devfs.5;, you will have to point your applications + at /dev/dsp0.x, where 'x' is 0 to 3 if + hw.snd.pcm.0.vchans is set to 4. On a system using devfs, the above + will automatically be allocated transparently to the user. + >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 15 11:35:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6168937B401; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D2143E64; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:35:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blackend@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (blackend@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6FIZqJU087491; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:35:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blackend@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from blackend@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6FIZq3Y087486; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:35:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Fonvieille Message-Id: <200207151835.g6FIZq3Y087486@freefall.freebsd.org> To: blackend@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, blackend@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/40609: Add information about vchans to sound chapter in handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Add information about vchans to sound chapter in handbook Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->blackend Responsible-Changed-By: blackend Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jul 15 11:35:04 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll work on it ;-) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=40609 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 15 11:48:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE03237B400; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC3843E6D; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:48:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (lcl234.zbzoom.net [208.236.36.234]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.4/8.12.3) with SMTP id g6FImHRJ019128; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:48:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:51:00 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Marc Fonvieille Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/40609: Add information about vchans to sound chapter in handbook Message-Id: <20020715155100.0d89b747.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <200207151835.g6FIZq3Y087486@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200207151835.g6FIZq3Y087486@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.6) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ross, if I remember correctly, was working this chapter and has an extensive writeup done. Please search around the archives, or speak with your mentor (as he reviewed the patch also) when it was posted. You may be capable of mergeing the total output from both contributers into one large patch and new chapter. Hope I've helped a bit ;) On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Marc Fonvieille wrote: > Synopsis: Add information about vchans to sound chapter in handbook > > Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->blackend > Responsible-Changed-By: blackend > Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Jul 15 11:35:04 PDT 2002 > Responsible-Changed-Why: > I'll work on it ;-) > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=40609 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > -- Tom (Darklogik) Rhodes www.FreeBSD.org -The Power To Serve www.Pittgoth.com -Pittgoth Discussion Portal trhodes@{Pittgoth.com, FreeBSD.org} PGP key by www: http://www.pittgoth.com/~darklogik/darklogik.key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 15 13:15:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D2737B400; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.50.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C620243E64; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:15:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/ - 15/04/02) with ESMTP id g6FKE4iF023719; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:14:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g6FKE4WY023718; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:14:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:14:03 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Tom Rhodes Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/40609: Add information about vchans to sound chapter in handbook Message-ID: <20020715221403.A23256@abigail.blackend.org> References: <200207151835.g6FIZq3Y087486@freefall.freebsd.org> <20020715155100.0d89b747.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020715155100.0d89b747.trhodes@FreeBSD.org>; from trhodes@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 03:51:00PM -0400 X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 03:51:00PM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: [...] > > You may be capable of mergeing the total output from both contributers > into one large patch and new chapter. Hope I've helped a bit ;) > This PR needs some work before being added to anything, cause it could change some things on troubleshooting part., and it'd only be addition so the merge would not be difficult. Concerning multimedia chapter, i'm not sure a chapter is a good idea, cause i can easily imagine the future *bloat*. A big part with many chapters would be easier to manage and to upgrade. For example, just about scanners and others digital cams a chapter could be written. Also, i really think that sound should keep is own chapter (Midi, sound recording can be added...); video needs his own chapter too cause there are many thing to add (TV cards etc...). And even a "misc." chapter can be added for little things. So I think about: Multimedia Part: Ch. sound Ch. video Ch. scanners Ch. misc. What do everyone think about that? Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 15 13:29:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50E737B421; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CE343E42; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:29:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (lcl234.zbzoom.net [208.236.36.234]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.4/8.12.3) with SMTP id g6FKTcRJ019740; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:29:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:32:23 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Marc Fonvieille Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/40609: Add information about vchans to sound chapter in handbook Message-Id: <20020715173223.42bb9033.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20020715221403.A23256@abigail.blackend.org> References: <200207151835.g6FIZq3Y087486@freefall.freebsd.org> <20020715155100.0d89b747.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <20020715221403.A23256@abigail.blackend.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.6) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:14:03 +0200 Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 03:51:00PM -0400, Tom Rhodes wrote: > [...] > > > > You may be capable of mergeing the total output from both > > contributers into one large patch and new chapter. Hope I've helped > > a bit ;) > > > This PR needs some work before being added to anything, cause it could > change some things on troubleshooting part., and it'd only be addition > so the merge would not be difficult. > > Concerning multimedia chapter, i'm not sure a chapter is a good idea, > cause i can easily imagine the future *bloat*. > > A big part with many chapters would be easier to manage and to > upgrade. For example, just about scanners and others digital cams a > chapter could be written. Also, i really think that sound should keep > is own chapter(Midi, sound recording can be added...); video needs his > own chapter too cause there are many thing to add (TV cards etc...). > And even a "misc." chapter can be added for little things. > > So I think about: > > Multimedia Part: > Ch. sound > Ch. video > Ch. scanners > Ch. misc. > > What do everyone think about that? > > Marc > Ut oh... I see that everlasting neverending, only silenced debate about splitting the handbook on its way. For things like this, I think we could use 2 books, basic and advanced. Time to hide now! (removed cc: keramida, this can stay with you, I, and the -doc group) -- Tom (Darklogik) Rhodes www.FreeBSD.org -The Power To Serve www.Pittgoth.com -Pittgoth Discussion Portal trhodes@{Pittgoth.com, FreeBSD.org} PGP key by www: http://www.pittgoth.com/~darklogik/darklogik.key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 15 15:15:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A5537B400; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D81D43E31; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:15:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6FMFpJU033370; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:15:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6FMFpEk033366; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:15:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200207152215.g6FMFpEk033366@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jim@jwweeks.com, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/39367: Bad link at http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/cvsup.html Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Bad link at http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/cvsup.html State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Mon Jul 15 15:14:20 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: Hard link to the file added. This will fix the problem. Thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=39367 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 15 16:15:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CEE637B400; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84D043E4A; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:15:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16863; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:15:42 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA06965; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200207152315.QAA06965@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: trhodes@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: blackend@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20020715173223.42bb9033.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> (message from Tom Rhodes on Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:32:23 -0400) Subject: Re: docs/40609: Add information about vchans to sound chapter in handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> Multimedia Part: >> Ch. sound >> Ch. video >> Ch. scanners >> Ch. misc. >> >> What do everyone think about that? I think that would be kind of cool. Actually, I've done some work with scanners and cameras too. Not as extensive as the hell I went through for video playback, but still some hiccups and hurdles that I've seen people repeat. Forking the handbook into "Part II: Super-Hardware" or something like that seems like a pretty good idea. There was a point in time when FreeBSD support for exotic devices was non-existent, but a lot of things have changed, particularly because of the adoption of USB (that and PCMCIA might deserve their own chapters). With PCMCIA and USB, there is the potential for a lot of devices to start appearing on the market which will quickly have drivers written for them. "Part II" is likely to grow quickly. For now though, I'm more inclined to just add the part about vchans to my current chapter 14, which seems doable, get that chapter 14 committed, because I think it is important to save people headaches [and TV/DVD apps are very popular these days], and then start thinking about a second book, and maybe getting some volunteers, since I only know the devices I have -- and I'm not a big hacker, really. -r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 15 16:32:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403AD37B400; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA46A43E64; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:32:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27483; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:32:02 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id QAA07654; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 16:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200207152332.QAA07654@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: trhodes@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: blackend@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, keramida@FreeBSD.ORG, mchopra@engmail.uwaterloo.ca In-reply-to: <20020715155100.0d89b747.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> (message from Tom Rhodes on Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:51:00 -0400) Subject: Re: docs/40609: Add information about vchans to sound chapter in handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have added mchopra's contribution, to what I think is the right place and done some minor edits. Attached are the results. -r Ross Lippert Edited by Multimedia Synopsis FreeBSD supports a wide variety of sound cards, allowing you to enjoy high fidelity output from your computer. This includes the ability to record and playback audio in the MPEG Audio Layer 3 (MP3), WAV, and Ogg Vorbis formats as well as many other formats. The FreeBSD Ports Collection also contains applications allowing you to edit your recorded audio, add sound effects, and control attached MIDI devices. With some willingness to experiment, FreeBSD can support playback of video files and DVD's. The number of applications to encode, convert, and playback various video media is more limited than the number of sound applications. For example as of this writing, there is no good re-encoding application in the FreeBSD Ports Collection, which could be use to interconvert between formats, as there is with audio/sox. However, the software landscape in this area is changing rapidly. This chapter will describe the necessary steps to configure your sound card. The configuration and installation of XFree86 () has already taken care of the hardware issues for your video card, though there may be some tweaks to apply for better playback. After reading this section, you will know: How to configure your system so that your sound card is recognized. Methods to test that your card is working using sample applications. How to troubleshoot your sound setup. How to playback and encode MP3s and other audio. How video is supported by XFree86. Some video player/encoder ports which give good results. How to playback DVD's, .mpg and .avi files. How to rip CD and DVD information into files. Before reading this chapter, you should: Know how to configure and install a new kernel (). For the video sections, it is assumed that XFree86 4.X (x11/XFree86-4) has been installed. XFree86 3.X may work, but it has not been tested with what is described in this chapter. If you find that something described here does work with XFree86 3.X please let us know. Trying to mount an audio CD or a video DVD with the mount command will result in an error, at least, and a kernel panic, at worst. These media have specialized encodings which differ from the usual ISO-filesystem. Moses Moore Contributed by Setting Up The Sound Card Locating the Correct Device PCI ISA sound cards Before you begin, you should know the model of the card you have, the chip it uses, and whether it is a PCI or ISA card. FreeBSD supports a wide variety of both PCI and ISA cards. If you do not see your card in the following list, check the &man.pcm.4; manual page. This is not a complete list; however, it does list some of the most common cards. Crystal 4237, 4236, 4232, 4231 Yamaha OPL-SAx OPTi931 Ensoniq AudioPCI 1370/1371 ESS Solo-1/1E NeoMagic 256AV/ZX Sound Blaster Pro, 16, 32, AWE64, AWE128, Live Creative ViBRA16 Advanced Asound 100, 110, and Logic ALS120 ES 1868, 1869, 1879, 1888 Gravis UltraSound Aureal Vortex 1 or 2 kernel configuration To use your sound device, you will need to load the proper device driver. This may be accomplished in one of two ways. The easiest way is to simply load a kernel module for your sound card with &man.kldload.8;. Alternatively, you may statically compile in support for your sound card in your kernel. The sections below provide the information you need to add support for your hardware in this manner. For more information about recompiling your kernel, please see . Creative, Advance, and ESS Sound Cards If you have one of the above cards, you will need to add: device pcm to your kernel configuration file. If you have a PnP ISA card, you will also need to add: device sbc For a non-PnP ISA card, add: device pcm device sbc0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 to your kernel configuration file. The settings shown above are the defaults. You may need to change the IRQ or the other settings to match your card. See the &man.sbc.4; manual page for more information. The Sound Blaster Live is not supported under FreeBSD 4.0 without a patch, which this section will not cover. It is recommended that you update to the latest -STABLE before trying to use this card. Gravis UltraSound Cards For a PnP ISA card, you will need to add: device pcm device gusc to your kernel configuration file. If you have a non-PnP ISA card, you will need to add: device pcm device gus0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x13 to your kernel configuration file. You may need to change the IRQ or the other settings to match your card. See the &man.gusc.4; manual page for more information. Crystal Sound Cards For Crystal cards, you will need to add: device pcm device csa to your kernel configuration file. Generic Support For PnP ISA or PCI cards, you will need to add: device pcm to your kernel configuration file. If you have a non-PnP ISA sound card that does not have a bridge driver, you will need to add: device pcm0 at isa? irq 10 drq 1 flags 0x0 to your kernel configuration file. You may need to change the IRQ or the other settings to match your card. Onboard Sound Some systems with built-in motherboard sound devices may require the following option in your kernel configuration: options PNPBIOS Creating and Testing the Device Nodes device nodes After you reboot, log in and run dmesg | grep pcm as shown below: &prompt.root; dmesg | grep pcm pcm0: <SB16 DSP 4.11> on sbc0 The output from your system may look different. If no pcm devices show up, something went wrong earlier. If that happens, go through your kernel configuration file again and make sure you chose the correct device. Common problems are listed in . If the previous command returned pcm0, you will have to run the following as root: &prompt.root; cd /dev &prompt.root; sh MAKEDEV snd0 If the command returned pcm1, follow the same steps as shown above, replacing snd0 with snd1. The above commands will not create a /dev/snd device! MAKEDEV will create a group of device nodes, including: Device Description /dev/audio SPARC-compatible audio device /dev/dsp Digitized voice device /dev/dspW Like /dev/dsp, but 16 bits per sample /dev/midi Raw midi access device /dev/mixer Control port mixer device /dev/music Level 2 sequencer interface /dev/sequencer Sequencer device /dev/pss Programmable device interface If all goes well, you should now have a functioning sound card. If your CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive is properly coupled to your soundcard, you can put a CD in the drive and play it with &man.cdcontrol.1;. &prompt.user; cdcontrol -f /dev/acd0c play 1 Various applications, such as audio/workman offer a better interface. You may want to install an application such as audio/mpg123 to listen to MP3 audio files. Common Problems Error Solution device node unsupported subdevice XX One or more of the device nodes was not created correctly. Repeat the steps above. I/O port sb_dspwr(XX) timed out The I/O port is not set correctly. IRQ bad irq XX The IRQ is set incorrectly. Make sure that the set IRQ and the sound IRQ are the same. xxx: gus pcm not attached, out of memory There is not enough available memory to use the device. DSP xxx: can't open /dev/dsp! Check with fstat | grep dsp if another application is holding the device open. Noteworthy troublemakers are esound and KDE's sound support. Munish Chopra Contributed by Utilizing Multiple Sound Sources It is often desirable to have multiple sources of sound that are able to play simultaneously, such as when esound or artsd do not support sharing of the sound device with a certain application. FreeBSD lets you do this through Virtual Sound Channels, which can be set with the &man.sysctl.8; facility. Virtual channels allow you to multiplex your sound card's playback channels by mixing sound in the kernel. To set the number of virtual channels, there are two sysctl knobs which, if you are the root user, can be set like this: &prompt.root; sysctl hw.snd.pcm0.vchans=4 &prompt.root; sysctl hw.snd.maxautovchans=4 hw.snd.pcm0.vchans is the number of vchans pcm0 has, and is configurable once a device has been attached. hw.snd.maxautovchans is the number of vchans a new audio device is given when it is attached using &man.kldload.8;. Since the pcm module can be loaded independently of the hardware drivers, hw.snd.maxautovchans can store how many vchans any devices which are attached later will be given. If you are not using &man.devfs.5;, you will have to point your applications at /dev/dsp0.x, where 'x' is 0 to 3 if hw.snd.pcm.0.vchans is set to 4. On a system using &man.devfs.5, the above will automatically be allocated to the user transparently. Chern Lee Contributed by MP3 Audio MP3 (MPEG Layer 3 Audio) accomplishes near CD-quality sound, leaving no reason to let your FreeBSD workstation fall short of its offerings. MP3 Players By far, the most popular XFree86 MP3 player is XMMS (X Multimedia System). Winamp skins can be used with XMMS since the GUI is almost identical to that of Nullsoft's Winamp. XMMS also has native plug-in support. XMMS can be installed from the audio/xmms port or package. XMMS' interface is intuitive, with a playlist, graphic equalizer, and more. Those familiar with Winamp will find XMMS simple to use. The audio/mpg123 port is an alternative, command-line MP3 player. mpg123 can be run by specifying the sound device and the MP3 file on the command line, as shown below: &prompt.root; mpg123 -a /dev/dsp1.0 Foobar-GreatestHits.mp3 High Performance MPEG 1.0/2.0/2.5 Audio Player for Layer 1, 2 and 3. Version 0.59r (1999/Jun/15). Written and copyrights by Michael Hipp. Uses code from various people. See 'README' for more! THIS SOFTWARE COMES WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY! USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! Playing MPEG stream from BT - Foobar-GreastHits.mp3 ... MPEG 1.0 layer III, 128 kbit/s, 44100 Hz joint-stereo /dev/dsp1.0 should be replaced with the dsp device entry on your system. Ripping CD Audio Tracks Before encoding a CD or CD track to MP3, the audio data on the CD must be ripped onto the hard drive. This is done by copying the raw CDDA (CD Digital Audio) data to WAV files. The cdda2wav tool, which is a part of the sysutils/cdrtools suite, is used for ripping audio information from CDs and the information associated with them. With the audio CD in the drive, the following command can be issued (as root) to rip an entire CD into individual (per track) WAV files: &prompt.root; cdda2wav -D 0,1,0 -B cdda2wav will support ATAPI (IDE) CDROM drives. To rip from an IDE drive, specify the device name in place of the SCSI unit numbers. For example, to rip track 7 from an IDE drive: &prompt.root; cdda2wav -D /dev/acd0a -t 7 The indicates the SCSI device 0,1,0, which corresponds to the output of cdrecord -scanbus. To rip individual tracks, make use of the option as shown: &prompt.root; cdda2wav -D 0,1,0 -t 7 This example rips track seven of the audio CDROM. To rip a range of tracks, for example, track one to seven, specify a range: &prompt.root; cdda2wav -D 0,1,0 -t 1+7 Encoding MP3s Nowadays, the mp3 encoder of choice is lame. Lame can be found at audio/lame in the ports tree. Using the ripped WAV files, the following command will convert audio01.wav to audio01.mp3: &prompt.root; lame -h -b 128 \ --tt "Foo Song Title" \ --ta "FooBar Artist" \ --tl "FooBar Album" \ --ty "2001" \ --tc "Ripped and encoded by Foo" \ --tg "Genre" \ audio01.wav audio01.mp3 128 kbits seems to be the standard MP3 bitrate in use. Many enjoy the higher quality 160, or 192. The higher the bitrate, the more disk space the resulting MP3 will consume--but the quality will be higher. The option turns on the higher quality but a little slower mode. The options beginning with indicate ID3 tags, which usually contain song information, to be embedded within the MP3 file. Additional encoding options can be found by consulting the lame man page. Decoding MP3s In order to burn an audio CD from MP3s, they must be converted to a non-compressed WAV format. Both XMMS and mpg123 support the output of MP3 to an uncompressed file format. Writing to Disk in XMMS: Launch XMMS. Right-click on the window to bring up the XMMS menu. Select Preference under Options. Change the Output Plugin to Disk Writer Plugin. Press Configure. Enter (or choose browse) a directory to write the uncompressed files to. Load the MP3 file into XMMS as usual, with volume at 100% and EQ settings turned off. Press PlayXMMS will appear as if it is playing the MP3, but no music will be heard. It is actually playing the MP3 to a file. Be sure to set the default Output Plugin back to what it was before in order to listen to MP3s again. Writing to stdout in mpg123: Run mpg123 -s audio01.mp3 > audio01.pcm XMMS writes a file in the WAV format, while mpg123 converts the MP3 into raw PCM audio data. Both of these formats can be used with cdrecord or burncd to create audio CDROMs. Read for more information on using a CD burner in FreeBSD. Ross Lippert Contributed by Video Playback Video playback is a very new and rapidly developing application area. Be patient. Not everything is going to work as smoothly as it did with sound. Before you begin, you should know the model of the video card you have and the chip it uses. While XFree86 supports a wide variety of video cards, fewer give good playback performance. To obtain a list of extensions supported by the X-server using your card use the command &man.xdpyinfo.1; while X11 is running. It is a good idea to have a short MPEG file which can be treated as a test file for evaluating various players and options. Since some DVD players will look for DVD media in /dev/dvd by default, or have this device name hardcoded in them, you might find it useful to make symbolic links to the proper devices: &prompt.root; ln -sf /dev/acd0c /dev/dvd &prompt.root; ln -sf /dev/racd0c /dev/rdvd On FreeBSD-5.X, which uses devfs there is a slightly different set of recommended links: &prompt.root; ln -sf /dev/acd0c /dev/dvd &prompt.root; ln -sf /dev/acd0c /dev/rdvd Additionally, DVD decryption, which requires invoking special DVD-ROM functions, requires write permission on the DVD devices. Some of the ports discussed rely on the following kernel options to build correctly. Before attempting to build, add these options to the kernel and reboot: option CPU_ENABLE_SSE option USER_LDT To enhance the shared memory X11 interface, it is recommended that the values of some &man.sysctl.8; variables should be increased: kern.ipc.shmmax=67108864 kern.ipc.shmall=32768 Determining Video capabilities Xvideo SDL DGA kernel configuration options CPU_ENABLE_SSE kernel configuration options USER_LDT There are several possible ways to display video under X11. What will really work is largely hardware dependent. Each method described below will have varying quality across different hardware. Secondly, the rendering of video in X11 is a topic receiving a lot of attention lately, and with each version of XFree86 there may be significant improvement. A list of common video interfaces: X11: normal X11 output using shared memory XVideo: an extension to the X11 interface which supports video in any X11 drawable. SDL: the Simple Directmedia Layer DGA: the Direct Graphics Access SVGAlib: low level console graphics layer XVideo XFree86 4.X has an extension called XVideo (aka Xvideo, aka Xv, aka xv) which allows video to be directly displayed in drawable objects through a special acceleration. This extension provides very good quality playback even on low-end machines (for example my PIII 400Mhz laptop). Unfortunately, the list of cards in which this feature is supported out of the box is currently: 3DFX Voodoo 3 Intel i810 and i815 some S3 chips (such as Savage/IX and Savage/MX) If your card is not one of these, do not be disappointed yet. XFree86 4.X adds new xv capabilities with each release A popular familiar graphics card with generally very good XFree86 performance, nVidia, has yet to release the specifications on their XVideo support to the XFree86 team. It may be some time before XFree86 fully support XVideo for these cards. . To check whether the extension is running, use xvinfo: &prompt.user; xvinfo XVideo is supported for your card if the result looks like: X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0 Adaptor #0: "Savage Streams Engine" number of ports: 1 port base: 43 operations supported: PutImage supported visuals: depth 16, visualID 0x22 depth 16, visualID 0x23 number of attributes: 5 "XV_COLORKEY" (range 0 to 16777215) client settable attribute client gettable attribute (current value is 2110) "XV_BRIGHTNESS" (range -128 to 127) client settable attribute client gettable attribute (current value is 0) "XV_CONTRAST" (range 0 to 255) client settable attribute client gettable attribute (current value is 128) "XV_SATURATION" (range 0 to 255) client settable attribute client gettable attribute (current value is 128) "XV_HUE" (range -180 to 180) client settable attribute client gettable attribute (current value is 0) maximum XvImage size: 1024 x 1024 Number of image formats: 7 id: 0x32595559 (YUY2) guid: 59555932-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71 bits per pixel: 16 number of planes: 1 type: YUV (packed) id: 0x32315659 (YV12) guid: 59563132-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71 bits per pixel: 12 number of planes: 3 type: YUV (planar) id: 0x30323449 (I420) guid: 49343230-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71 bits per pixel: 12 number of planes: 3 type: YUV (planar) id: 0x36315652 (RV16) guid: 52563135-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 bits per pixel: 16 number of planes: 1 type: RGB (packed) depth: 0 red, green, blue masks: 0x1f, 0x3e0, 0x7c00 id: 0x35315652 (RV15) guid: 52563136-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 bits per pixel: 16 number of planes: 1 type: RGB (packed) depth: 0 red, green, blue masks: 0x1f, 0x7e0, 0xf800 id: 0x31313259 (Y211) guid: 59323131-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71 bits per pixel: 6 number of planes: 3 type: YUV (packed) id: 0x0 guid: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 bits per pixel: 0 number of planes: 0 type: RGB (packed) depth: 1 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 Also note that the formats listed (YUV2, YUV12, etc) are not present with every implementation of Xvideo and their absense may hinder some players. If the result looks like: X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0 no adaptors present Then XVideo is probably not supported for your card. If XVideo is not supported for your card, this only means that it will be more difficult for your display to meet the computational demands of rendering video. Depending on your video card and processor, though, you might still be able to have a satisfying experience. You should probably read about ways of improving performance in the advanced reading . Simple Directmedia Layer The Simple Directmedia Layer, SDL, was intended to be a porting layers between Microsoft Windows, BeOS, and Unix, allowing cross-platform applications to be developed which made efficient use of sound and graphics. The SDL layer provides a low-level abstraction to the hardware which can sometimes be more efficient than the X11 interface. The SDL can be found at devel/sdl12 Direct Graphics Access Direct Graphics Access is an XFree86 extension which allows a program to bypass the X-server and directly alter the framebuffer. Because it relies on a low level memory mapping to effect this sharing, programs using it must must be run as root The DGA extension can be tested and benchmarked by &man.dga.1;. When dga is running, it changes the colors of the display whenever a key is pressed. To quit, use q. Ports and Packages Dealing with Video video ports video packages This section discusses the software available from the FreeBSD Ports Collection which can be used for video playback. Video playback is a very active area of software development, and the capabilities of various applications are bound to diverge somewhat from the descriptions given here. Firstly, it is important to know that most of the video applications which run on FreeBSD were developed as Linux applications, originating in the past year. For this reason, they are both very experimental and riddled with Linux-isms which might prevent them from working at full efficiency on FreeBSD. By experimental, I mean that you should expect re-encoders, players, and DVD decrypters to have some major bugs, or interoperability problems with other programs. Here is a short list of the sort of things I mean: An application cannot playback a file which another application produced. An application cannot playback a file which the application itself produced. The same application on two different machines, rebuilt on each machine for that machine, plays back the same file differently. A seemingly trivial filter like rescaling of the image size results in very bad artifacts from a buggy rescaling routine. An application always dumping core. Documentation is not installed with the port and can be found either on the web or under PORTPATH/work/ . By Linux-isms, I mean that there are some issues resulting from the way some standard libraries are implemented in the Linux distributions, or some features of the Linux kernel which have been assumed by the authors of the applications, because that is where the authors are primarily developing. These issues may not be noticed and worked around by the port maintainers which can lead to some problems like these: The use of /proc/cpuinfo to detect processor characteristics. A misuse of threads which causes a program to hang upon completion instead of truly terminating. Software not yet in the FreeBSD Ports Collection which is commonly used in conjunction with the application. So far, these application developers have been cooperative with port maintainers to minimize the work-arounds needed for port-ing. MPlayer MPlayer is a recently developed and rapidly developing video player. The goals of the MPlayer team are speed and flexibility on Linux and other Unices. The project was started when the team founder got fed up with bad playback performance on then available players. Some would say that interface has been sacrificed for streamlined design, but once you get used to the command line options and the key-stroke controls, it works very well. Building MPlayer mplayer making MPlayer resides in graphics/mplayer. MPlayer performs a variety of hardware checks during the build process, resulting in a binary which will not be portable from one system to another. Thus it is important to build it from ports and not to use a binary package. Additionally, a number of options can be specified in the make which echo at the start of the build. &prompt.root; cd /usr/ports/graphics/mplayer &prompt.root; make You can enable additional compilation optimizations by defining WITH_OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS You can enable GTK GUI by defining WITH_GUI. You can enable DVD support by defining WITH_DVD. You can enable SVGALIB support by defining WITH_SVGALIB. You can enable VORBIS sound support by defining WITH_VORBIS. You can enable XAnim DLL support by defining WITH_XANIM. If you have x11-toolkits/gtk12 installed, then you might as well enable the GUI. Otherwise, it is not worth the effort. If you intend to play (possibly CSS encoded) DVD's with MPlayer you must enable the DVD support option here Unauthorized DVD playback is a serious criminal act in some countries. Check local laws before enabling this option. . Some reasonable options are: &prompt.root; make WITH_DVD=yes WITH_SVGALIB=yes As of this writing, the MPlayer port will build its HTML documentation and one executable, mplayer. It can also be made to build an encoder, mencoder, which is a tool for re-encoding video. A modification to the Makefile can enable it. It may be enabled by default in subsequent versions of the port. The HTML documentation to MPlayer is very informative. If the reader finds the information on video hardware and interfaces in the chapter lacking, the MPlayer documentation is a very thorough alternative. You should definitely take the time to read the documentation of MPlayer, if you are looking for information about video support in UNIX. Using mplayer mplayer use Any user of mplayer must set up a .mplayer subdirectory directory of her home directory. To create this necessary subdirectory, you can do the following: &prompt.user; cd /usr/ports/graphics/mplayer &prompt.user; make install-user The command options for mplayer are listed in the manual page. For even more detail there is HTML documentation. In this section, we will give some of the common use cases. To play from file, such as testfile.avi through one of the various video interfaces set the : &prompt.user; mplayer -vo xv testfile.avi &prompt.user; mplayer -vo sdl testfile.avi &prompt.user; mplayer -vo x11 testfile.avi &prompt.root; mplayer -vo dga testfile.avi &prompt.root; mplayer -vo 'sdl:dga' testfile.avi It is worth trying all of these options, as their relative performance depends on many factors and will vary significantly with hardware. To play from a DVD, replace the testfile.avi with where <N> is the title number to play and DEVICE is the device file for the DVD-ROM. For example, to play title 3 from /dev/dvd: &prompt.root; mplayer -vo dga -dvd 2 /dev/dvd To stop, pause, advance and so on, consult the keybindings, which are output by running mplayer -h or read the manual page. Additional important options for playback are: which engages the fullscreen mode and which helps performance. In order for the mplayer command line to not become too large, the user can create a file .mplayer/config and set default options there: vo=xv fs=yes zoom=yes Finally, mplayer can be used to rip a DVD title into a .vob file. To dump out title 2 from a DVD: &prompt.root; mplayer -dumpstream -dumpfile out.vob -dvd 2 /dev/dvd The output file, out.vob, will be MPEG and can be manipulated by the other packages described in this section. mencoder mencoder If you opt to install mencoder when you build, be forewarned that it is still quite experimental. To use mencoder it is a good idea to familiarize yourself with the options from the HTML documentation. There is a manual page, but it is not very useful without the HTML. There are innummerable ways to improve quality, lower bitrate, and change formats, and some of these tricks may make the difference between good or bad performance. Here are a couple of examples to get you going. First a simple copy: &prompt.user; mencoder input.avi -oac copy -ovc copy -o output.avi It is easy to find examples where the output is unplayable even by mplayer. Thus, if you just want to rip to a file, stick to the in mplayer. To convert input.avi to the MPEG4 codec with MPEG3 audio encoding (audio/lame is required): &prompt.user; mencoder input.avi -oac mp3lame -lameopts br=192 \ -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq -o output.avi This has produced output playable by mplayer and Xine. input.avi can be replaced with and run as root to re-encode a DVD title directly. Since you are likely to be dissatisfied with your results the first time around, it is recommended you dump the title to a file and work on the file. Xine Xine is a project of wide scope aiming not only at being an all in one video solution, but also in producing a reusable base library and a modular executable which can be extended with plugins. It comes both as a package and as a port, graphics/xine. The good news is that the above is pretty much true. Xine is still very rough around the edges, but it is clearly off to a good start. In practice, Xine requires either a fast CPU with a fast video card, or support for the XVideo extension. The GUI is usable, but a bit clumsy. As of this writing, there is no input module shipped with Xine which will play CSS encoded DVD's. There are third party builds which do have modules for this built in them, but none of these are in the FreeBSD Ports Collection. Compared to MPlayer, Xine does more for the user, but at the same time, takes some of the more fine-grained control away from the user. Xine also may perform much worse on the non-XVideo interfaces and has very few good alternatives to it. The Xine FAQ highly recommends that you have a video card which supports it. Xine can be started by itself: &prompt.user; xine The menus can then be used to open a file, or it can be started to play a file immediately without the GUI with the command: &prompt.user; xine -g -p mymovie.avi Transcode Transcode is not a player, but a suite of tools for re-encoding .avi and .mpg files. With Transcode, one has the ability to merge video files, repair broken files, using command line tools with stdin/stdout stream interfaces. Like MPlayer, Transcode is very experimental software which must be build from the port graphics/transcode. Using a great many options to the make command. I recommend: &prompt.root; make WITH_LIBMPEG2=yes If you plan to install graphics/avifile, then add the WITH_AVIFILE option to your make command line, as shown here: &prompt.root; make WITH_AVIFILE=yes WITH_LIBMPEG2=yes Here are two examples of using transcode for video conversion which produce rescaled output. The first encodes the output to an openDIVX AVI file, while the second encodes to the much more portable MPEG format. &prompt.user; transcode -i input.vob -x vob -V -Z 320x240 \ -y opendivx -N 0x55 -o output.avi &prompt.user; transcode -i input.vob -x vob -V -Z 320x240 \ -y mpeg -N 0x55 -o output.tmp &prompt.user; tcmplex -o output.mpg -i output.tmp.m1v -p output.tmp.mpa -m 1 There is a manual page for transcode, but for the various tc* utilities (such as tcmplex) which are also installed, there is only a curt output. In comparison, transcode runs significantly slower than mencoder, but it has a better chance of producing a more widely playable file. I can play transcode MPEGs on older copies of Windows Media Player and Apple's Quicktime, for example. Further Reading I have no doubt that within a year, much that is in this chapter will be out of date. Video will probably be much less problematic to get working well and a port will be in the collection which turns a FreeBSD system into a DVD-playing, PVR, and virtual A/V studio. Until that day arrives, those who want to get the very most out of FreeBSD's A/V capabilities will have to cobble together knowledge from several FAQs and tutorials and use a few different applications. This section exists to give the reader some links to learn more in case this chapter was just helpful enough. The MPlayer documentation is very technically informative. These documents should probably be consulted by anyone wishing to obtain a high level of expertise with Unix video. The MPlayer mailing list is hostile to anyone who has not bothered to read the documentation, so if you plan on making bug reports to them, RTFM. The Xine HOWTO contains a chapter on performance improvement which is general to all players. Finally, there are some other promising applications which the reader may try: AVIFile which is also a port graphics/avifile. Ogle which is also a port graphics/ogle. 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DFHIMIGXSC Reply-To: town-lion@yandex.ru X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 06:57:06 +0400 Message-Id: <20020716025631.8EED043E67@mx1.FreeBSD.org> To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ( В конце есть добавление, лично от меня ;) ДОРОГИЕ ДРУЗЬЯ! ОПИСАННАЯ НИЖЕ ПРОГРАММА ПОМОЖЕТ ВАМ СТАТЬ ПО-НАСТОЯЩЕМУ БОГАТЫМИ И СВОБОДНЫМИ ЛЮДЬМИ!!! ЧТО ЖЕ ЭТО ЗА ПРОГРАММА? Эта компьютерная суперпрограмма Golden Stream создана на основе известной и очень популярной во всем мире программы RMI. Но GS в отличие от многих подобных программ имеет ряд больших преимуществ. Вот некоторые из них: 1. Программа работает автономно. Ее работа ни от кого не зависит. Здесь нет ни главного сервера, ни центра регистрации. Она существует так же, как существует Интернет. Ее работа складывается из работы миллионов маленьких кусочков разбросанных по Интернет, и сбой одного из этих кусочков не повлечет за собой сбоя программы в целом. 2. Прогрессирующая шкала взносов и увеличенное количество ступеней позволяют получить большую прибыль с меньшим количеством участников. Достаточно четырех клиентов первого уровня, для того чтобы получить прибыль 30 миллионов рублей! 3. Не маловажное достоинство программы в том, что здесь не возможно нарушить цепочку, т.е. ваша часть программы будет работать только с ключом сформированным в вашей ветке, но не в другой. Если кто-то из участников вашей ветки выходит из бизнеса, это не нарушает структуру и не мешает остальным участникам получать прибыль. Также не возможно перепутать местами участников. 4. В отличие от других программ пересылающих по Интернет книги или репорты, которые занимают сотни килобайт или даже мегабайты, эта программа выполнена в простейшей форме (в ней нет ничего лишнего) и занимает вместе с индивидуальным ключом и инструкциями не более 20 килобайт. Особенно это преимущество ощутимо на высоких уровнях, когда необходимо обрабатывать большое количество заказов. ВСЕ, ЧТО ВАМ НУЖНО БУДЕТ ДЕЛАТЬ, ЭТО РАССЫЛАТЬ ГОТОВЫЕ ПИСЬМА ПО E-MAIL И ВРЕМЯ ОТ ВРЕМЕНИ ХОДИТЬ НА ПОЧТУ ИЛИ В БАНК ЗА ДЕНЬГАМИ! ВАМ ДАЖЕ НЕ НАДО НАПРЯГАТЬ СВОЙ МОЗГ - ЗА ВАС ВСЕ СДЕЛАЕТ КОМПЬЮТЕРНАЯ СУПЕРПРОГРАММА ! С МОМЕНТА ВАШЕГО ВСТУПЛЕНИЯ В БИЗНЕС ПРИБЫЛЬ НАРАСТАЕТ, КАК СНЕЖНЫЙ КОМ, И К КОНЦУ 4-ГО МЕСЯЦА ВЫ ПОЛУЧИТЕ КАК МИНИМУМ 3.000.000 рублей. А ЕСЛИ ВЫ НЕ ОСТАНОВИТЕСЬ НА ДОСТИГНУТОМ, ТО РЕЗУЛЬТАТЫ БУДУТ АСТРОНОМИЧЕСКИЕ 30.000.000 рублей ЗА 6 МЕСЯЦЕВ! КАК ЭТО РАБОТАЕТ? Заплатив 100 рублей, вы получаете от своего куратора первую часть программы, индивидуальный ключ к программе, а также инструкции и любую помощь в вашей работе. Это главное достоинство MLM бизнеса: вы зарабатываете, только помогая заработать другим. Далее вы рассылаете примерно 10000 писем и получаете от 4 до 20 заказов на первую часть. Будем вести все расчеты по минимуму, т.е. это 4 клиента. С помощью своей программы, вы создаете индивидуальный ключ для каждого клиента, и рассылаете им. После того, как вы получите не менее 4 заказов на первую часть, программа предложит вам приобрести вторую часть, и укажет вашего куратора 2 уровня. Вторая часть стоит 200 рублей, но их вы уже окупили, получив за четыре первые части 400 рублей. Каждый из четырех ваших клиентов найдет по 4 своих клиента, т.е. вы получите 16 заказов на вторую часть 16х200=3200 рублей, из которых 400 рублей тратите на приобретение 3 части. Третью часть у вас уже купят 16х4=64 клиента по 400 рублей. Это составит 25600 рублей, из которых 800 рублей вы заплатите за 4 часть. По той же схеме посчитаем доходы от продажи остальных частей: 4 часть - 256 клиентов по 800 руб. - 204800 руб. 5 часть - 1024 клиентов по 1600 руб. - 1638400 руб. 6 часть - 4096 клиентов по 3200 руб. - 13107200 руб. 7 часть - 16384 клиентов по 6400 руб. - 104857600 руб. Получилось около 120 миллионов рублей. Конечно это чистая теория, и 120 миллионов вы, скорее всего, не заработаете, т.к. часть клиентов, по различным причинам, выйдет из этого бизнеса раньше, но 30 миллионов - это доход гарантированный! "В ЧЕМ СЕКРЕТ ТАКОГО ГОЛОВОКРУЖИТЕЛЬНОГО УСПЕХА?", - СПРОСИТЕ ВЫ. ДЕЛО В ТОМ, ЧТО В ПРОГРАММЕ ЗАЛОЖЕНА СЕКРЕТНАЯ ФОРМУЛА, КОТОРАЯ ОБЕСПЕЧИВАЕТ 100%-НЫЙ УСПЕХ ВСЕМ УЧАСТНИКАМ БИЗНЕСА ЗА СЧЕТ УЧЕТА ТАКИХ УТОНЧЕННЫХ ФАКТОРОВ, КОТОРЫХ ЧЕЛОВЕЧЕСКИЙ МОЗГ ПРОСТО НЕ СПОСОБЕН ОХВАТИТЬ. ЧТО ЭТО ЗА ФОРМУЛА? ЭТО СЕКРЕТ ЛЕГЕНДАРНОГО СОЗДАТЕЛЯ RMI МИЯМОТО ИЧИКАВА. НО ГЛАВНОЕ, ЧТО ПРОГРАММА РАБОТАЕТ! И РАБОТАЕТ БЛЕСТЯЩЕ! ЭТО ЧУДО-СИСТЕМА, В КОТОРОЙ УСПЕХ БЕЗУМНО ЗАРАЗЕН! СПЕШИТЕ ЗАРАЗИТЬСЯ И ВЫ! ВНИМАНИЕ В ЛАБОРАТОРИИ СОЦИОЛОГИЧЕСКИХ ИССЛЕДОВАНИЙ В США БЫЛ ПРОВЕДЕН ЭКСПЕРИМЕНТ: ПРОГРАММА ПОДОБНАЯ ЭТОЙ БЫЛА ЗАПУЩЕНА 16 РАЗ В САМЫХ РАЗЛИЧНЫХ УСЛОВИЯХ И С САМЫМИ РАЗНЫМИ ЛЮДЬМИ В КАЧЕСТВЕ УЧАСТНИКОВ БИЗНЕСА, И ВСЕ 16 РАЗ ОНА ПРИНОСИЛА ОДИНАКОВЫЙ УСПЕХ, И НЕ БЫЛО НИ ОДНОГО ЧЕЛОВЕКА, КОТОРЫЙ БЫ ЧУВСТВОВАЛ СЕБЯ ОБДЕЛЕННЫМ И ОБИЖЕННЫМ. ТАКЖЕ СПЕЦИАЛИСТЫ ПРОИЗВЕЛИ НАУЧНЫЙ АНАЛИЗ ФЕНОМЕНА И УСТАНОВИЛИ, ЧТО, НЕСМОТРЯ НА ВНЕШНЕЕ СХОДСТВО, ПО СВОЕЙ МИКРОСТРУКТУРЕ ОНА В КОРНЕ ОТЛИЧАЕТСЯ ОТ СЕТЕВОГО МАРКЕТИНГА И ПРИВОДИТ К НЕСРАВНИМО БОЛЕЕ ВЫСОКИМ, А САМОЕ ГЛАВНОЕ - ДЕМОКРАТИЧНЫМ РЕЗУЛЬТАТАМ, Т.К. ВСЕ УЧАСТНИКИ ЭТОГО БИЗНЕСА ИМЕЮТ ДОХОД. Вы никогда не задумывались, почему большинство людей ничего не достигают в жизни, а только сетуют? Да потому что они мало на что в жизни решаются. На все у них есть готовые определения, причем сформулированные не ими самими, а услышанные от других. Но иметь свое проверенное мнение - это большая роскошь и редкость. Те же, кто не боится пробовать и живет больше действиями, чем сомнениями, очень быстро оказываются на вершине мира! Да, трудно поверить, что можно так быстро разбогатеть, трудно преодолеть свои сомнения, трудно представить себя вдруг сказочно богатым. Но поверьте, если Вы это сделаете, это станет вашим благом и вашим головокружительным успехом! Вы ведь не будете спорить с тем, что Вы достойны большого успеха и большого богатства? И поэтому Вам жизненно необходимо сделать этот шаг на встречу к финансовой независимости, к которой приведет Вас сотрудничество с суперпрограммой! Потому что ваше время настало! Вы наверное думаете: "Откуда возьмется так много клиентов?" - Не беспокойтесь. Ежедневно в России к Интернету подключаются минимум 1000 новых пользователей!!! На всех хватит! ПРАВИЛА УЧАСТИЯ В ПРОГРАММЕ Термины: куратор - участник программы, от которого Вы получили это письмо и у которого Вы должны заказать первую часть; клиент - хозяин E-mail, на который Вы отправляете письмо; ********************************* 1) Чтобы программа заботилась о ваших доходах, Вы должны неукоснительно соблюдать все ее предписания. Помните, что соблюдать все правила - в ваших же интересах! Было много случаев, когда некоторые несознательные участники пытались отклоняться от правил и из-за этого теряли всю свою прибыль. Смысл предпринимаемых шагов Вы будете понимать по мере вашего продвижения в этом бизнесе. Если сначала что-то кажется вам неясным, это абсолютно не страшно! Программа сделает все за Вас, главное - это соблюдать все предписания. 2) Теперь о формах оплаты. Для начала, на первом-втором уровнях, лучше всего использовать систему WebMoney Transfer. Несомненные достоинства этой системы: · высокая оперативность расчетов - денежные переводы между участниками осуществляются максимум за 1 день · исключительная надежность и конфиденциальность - система оперирует лишь номерами кошельков и их уникальными идентификаторами и сообщать свои ФИО вы можете только при своем желании Деньги, которые будут храниться в Вашем личном электронном кошельке, Вы в любой момент и в нужном Вам количестве сможете беспрепятственно снять, либо переведя их на Ваш расчетный счет в любом банке, либо, если у Вас нет счета, просто отправить их себе почтовым переводом. Чтобы завести свой электронный кошелек для расчетов зайдите на www.webmoney.ru Там Вы сможете бесплатно скопировать программу WebMoney keeper и ознакомиться с инструкциями по работе со своими кошельками. (Совет: для пополнения своего кошелька лучше переводить деньги через Сбербанк, т.к. по почте они идут очень долго.) Далее на более высоких уровнях, когда денежный поток будет довольно большой, надежнее всего будет открыть в коммерческом банке свой расчетный счет. Есть и другие варианты для расчетов: почтовый или телеграфный перевод (который зачастую не всех устраивает, т.к. за него необходимо заплатить 10% от суммы) и отправка денег в конверте (но на высоких уровнях этим вариантом лучше не пользоваться, т.к. ежедневный поток большого количества писем вызывает интерес у работников почты, и они могут вскрывать конверты и забирать ваши деньги). Пользуйтесь любым удобным вам вариантом оплаты. В любом случае, прежде чем отправить вам деньги, тем или иным способом, клиент должен получить от вас счет, в котором вы укажете, как вы хотите получить деньги. ВНИМАНИЕ! ПРАВИЛА ОТПРАВКИ ДЕНЕГ В КОНВЕРТЕ: Чтобы ваши деньги не стали достоянием нечестных работников почты, соблюдайте следующие рекомендации, проверенные временем: 1) Возьмите лист ксероксной бумаги формата А4 (найдите самую плотную бумагу, чтобы она как можно меньше просвечивала, желательно 80г/см2). 2) Напишите на листе несколько предложений о том - о сем, не упоминая ничего о деньгах и бизнесе, чтобы при просмотре письма на свет и прочтении текста это походило на содержание обычного, банального письма. С другой стороны листа напишите свой E-mail. 3) Сложите лист вчетверо так, чтобы адрес E-mail оказался внутри, а текст фиктивного письма - снаружи. 4) Возьмите 100-рублевую купюру (безопаснее отправлять деньги одной купюрой), сложите ее пополам и вложите в самую середину сложенного листа. Обязательно в середину, чтобы с обеих сторон купюры было под два слоя бумаги! 5) Вложите лист в конверт, проверьте рукой и тщательно просмотрите на ярком свету, не заметно ли, что в письмо что-то вложено. Если есть какие-то подозрения, переложите купюру так, чтобы устранить это. Можно дополнительно вложить открытку. ВЫ ГОТОВЫ НАЧАТЬ БИЗНЕС?! ИТАК, ПРИСТУПАЕМ! ЧТО ВАМ НЕОБХОДИМО СДЕЛАТЬ: 1. Заведите себе два надежных почтовых ящика на разных серверах (можно бесплатных) для получения заявок на части программы. Не используйте их для рассылки писем, т.к. массовые рассылки могут противоречить правилам сервера, на котором Вы открыли ящик, и есть риск, что ваш ящик без предупреждения закроют, и тогда ваши клиенты не смогут с вами связаться. 2. Запросите у куратора, пославшего вам это предложение, счет на первую часть программы. Укажите в запросе, каким способом вам удобнее оплатить программу и есть ли у вас кошелек WebMoney. 3. Сразу же займитесь поиском адресов E-mail, по которым Вы будете рассылать это письмо. Это могут быть как знакомые, так и незнакомые Вам люди, адреса которых Вы можете в избытке найти, побродив по различным сайтам и доскам объявлений в Интернете. Помните, что ваш потенциальный клиент - это, по сути, просто случайный E-mail, найденный в Интернете. Чем больше адресов Вы найдете, тем больше сможете заработать. 4. Оплатите счет и подтвердите оплату по e-mail. В письме куратору укажите оба ваших e-mail. 5. После поступления денег вы получите от куратора первую часть программы, ваш индивидуальный ключ, а также инструкции по работе с программой и рассылке писем. Ваш куратор обязан помочь вам приобрести программное обеспечение для быстрого поиска в Интернет адресов и рассылки по ним большого количества писем. 6. Как только вы получите программу, начинайте рассылать письма так же, как одно из них пришло к вам. Желательно разослать не менее 20000 писем. Чем больше - тем больший доход вы получите. Используйте для рассылки отдельный почтовый ящик. 7. После получения заявки от вашего клиента сразу отправьте ему счет на оплату (в свободной форме, с указанием Ваших реквизитов). Оплатив счет, клиент отправит Вам подтверждение об оплате и свои адреса, которые Вы должны внести в его индивидуальный ключ с помощью программы. Получив деньги, незамедлительно отправьте клиенту его индивидуальный ключ и программу, а также всю информацию, которая может помочь Вашему клиенту удачно работать в этом бизнесе. Помните - ВАШ ДОХОД - ЭТО ДОХОД ВАШЕГО КЛИЕНТА УМНОЖЕННЫЙ НА ДВА. направьте заказ на Часть 1 своему куратору на его E-mail: Сергей: town-lion@yandex.ru можно в произвольной форме. (При отправлении заказа укажите, как лучше для Вас будет переслать деньги. После получения заявки Вам сообщат адрес либо реквизиты для перевода денег, а программу с ключом вышлют после получения денег.) ВНИМАНИЕ! Не забывайте сообщать свой E-mail при отправке денег! Если Вы не сообщите свой E-mail, то получатель денег не будет знать, кому выполнять заказ на эти деньги! О дальнейших шагах Вы узнаете по мере получения Вами частей программы и продажи их клиентам. Весь процесс растягивается примерно на 6 месяцев со дня начала бизнеса. Если Вы будете четко следовать всем правилам, то вне всяких сомнений будете обладателем нескольких десятков миллионов рублей! Мы знаем, что это будет именно так, и нам останется только поздравить Вас! А теперь несколько отзывов от людей, уже поработавших в нашем бизнесе Всем привет! Спешу поделиться с Вами впечатлением от программы, чтобы Вы, не дай Бог, не прошли мимо. Письмо пришло на E-mail моему мужу. Он решил повеселить меня и позвал почитать, "какую лапшу сейчас на уши вешают". Я не особо вникла в систему, да особо и не старалась что-то понять. Потому что про таких, как я, обычно говорят: "Она родная сестра лени". И это факт. Такую ленивую, праздную, обожающую есть, спать, отдыхать надо еще поискать. В общем, вы уже поняли, наверно, что я не захотела заработать 3.000.000 рублей. Но, к моему счастью, эта цифра все крутилась в моем мозгу и не давала спать. И все-таки, в конце концов, я решила отважно броситься на письмо. К счастью, муж его еще не стер. К своему удивлению, читая 2-й раз, я все понимала. А самое главное, что я уяснила, это то, что напрягаться-то почти не надо! И времени и денежек своих тоже почти тратить не надо. К тому же меня, как и вас, привлекла книга, которая при прочтении меня просто сразила наповал! В общем, решила я, была - не была. Попробую. Обуч За три дня я разослала 13000 писем и решила, что с меня хватит. Села ждать. Через пару дней стали приходить заказы - пришел 21 заказ на 1-ую часть и 2.100 рублей. "Ну, - думаю, - пошло дело". И продолжаю балдеть. Затем приходили еще заказы на 1 часть и пришло 52 заказа на 2 часть и 10400 рублей! ОГО! А к апрелю я получила еще 1 миллион рублей! И тут думаю: "Стоп! Что-то не так. А где обещанные 3 миллиона?" Прочитала еще раз письмо. Тьфу! Вот растяпа! Забыла, что рекомендованное количество отправленных писем - 20000 штук. Не спроста ведь. Вот недотепа! Ну, поднатужилась я и разослала еще где-то 7000 писем. И дополучила еще ответов. Однако опять пришлось ждать 3 месяца, прежде чем я получила долгожданные 3 миллиона рублей или 100 тысяч долларов!!! Ну, а потом стало совсем классно - к нынешнему моменту деньги продолжают прибывать (уже за 30 лимонов перевалило), а у меня одна проблема - куда бы их деть?! Представьте, баба сидит целыми днями и ломает голову, куда бы распихать бабки! Это я! Однако я не совсем дура, и нынче переезжаю в шикарный коттедж в одном из самых престижных районов города, нежусь в роскоши и изобилии, ем экзотические фрукты, рестораны уже надоели. Че еще? Уже купалась в Средиземном море, одеваюсь в тряпки от Версачи и Пакко Раббана.… И прочее, и прочее. Я думаю, фантазия у вас работает, и вы можете себе представить, сколько удовольствий можно доставлять себе, имея такие деньги! Даже это письмецо набирает мой секретарь, у которого вон как глазки разгорелись. Я ему говорю: "Можешь попробовать. Ведь мой первый секретарь бросил меня, разбогатев именно в MLM!" Чего и вам желаю!!! Алла, г. Санкт-Петербург. Р.S. А муженек мой - фома неверующий до сих пор протирает штаны в своей задрипезной конторе. Я принципиально не содержу его. Он же не поверил и нагло смеялся и издевался надо мной! А потом приполз на карачках. Теперь я ему мщу. P.P.S. Искренне желаю всем Вам не пройти мимо этой кучи золота!!! ________________________________________ Здравствуйте, уважаемые господа и дамы! Не так давно - полгода назад я, так же как и вы, сидел и читал письмо, пришедшее на мой E-mail. И, как большинство из вас, я терзался сомнениями. Хотя, если посмотреть трезво - непонятно почему. Видно, так привык человек, всего бояться и страшиться. Да, велики были глаза у моего страха, но я решил попробовать. Ведь в самом ужасном случае я ничего не потеряю, кроме нескольких часов времени, которое и так у меня тратиться бессмысленно, а только приобрету. К тому же я подумал, что хоть одного человека я точно найду, чтобы вернуть свои 100 рублей за первую часть. Не буду утомлять вас подробностями. Я просто четко и досконально выполнял все указания. И через 2,5 месяца я получил 5.000.000 рублей, а через 5,5 месяца - 97.000.000 рублей! Сам Миямото приезжал ко мне и поздравил с грандиозным успехом, причина которого - в четком следовании инструкциям. И это в мои 25 лет! Теперь я начинаю свое огромное дело. Я буду заниматься алмазами! Об этом всегда я мечтал. Мое собственное производ ство будет заниматься особым видо Андрей, г. Мирный (республика Саха). ________________________________________ В первый раз я конкретно стормозил, удалив письмо о программе. Я еще посмеялся над тем, что кто-то вдруг станет слать деньги на мой абонентский ящик. И как же я проклинал свою недоверчивость, когда позвонил брат из Новороссийска и рассказал мне как раз об этом бизнесе и о том, какая это классная штука! Какой я дурак! Ведь я же сам мечтал стать богатым, как же еще я могу быстро разбогатеть, если не с помощью вот такого бизнеса? И когда через месяц письмо снова нашло меня, я уже был умнее. Тут же взялся за дело и разослал около десяти тысяч писем по электронной почте. Отклик был почти мгновенным (есть еще умные люди в России!). Короче, дальше все пошло как по маслу. Я прихожу на почту, а там меня ждут 43 конверта, в каждом из которых по сто рублей! Yes-s! Эта штука заработала!!! А я еще не верил! Вот, блин, пень! Прав был брателла! А что началось потом! Когда я стал продавать 2 часть, каждый день на мой ящик валили по 20-30 конвертов с купюрами. Ну, а когда я занялся 3-й и 4-й частью, мой ящик постоянно был забит до отказа! На прошлой неделе я купил себе новый "Landcruiser". Классный джип! Всегда мечтал о таком! В каком бы дурном настроении я ни проснулся утром, стоит мне вспомнить о моем сверкающем на солнце джипе, я начинаю чувствовать себя самым счастливым человеком на Свете! И все - благодаря суперпрограмме!!! Пишу это с надеждой, что мой урок неверия пойдет вам на пользу, и вы не станете, как я в первый раз, удалять из своего компьютера это письмо, которое имеет приятное свойство превращаться в неограниченное количество денег! Удачи вам! Игорь, г. Волгоград. _______________________________________ Я сразу сердцем ощутила, что это мой шанс! Наконец-то исполнится заветная мечта моего детства - съездить в Америку! Я с удовольствием принялась участвовать в программе. Но по началу сомневалась, удастся ли мне найти так много адресов E-mail. Однако, когда пришла первая часть, то вместе с ней пришло объяснение, где легко, без всяких проблем можно найти сколько угодно адресов электронной почты. За два дня я разослала двадцать тысяч писем, и эффект не заставил себя долго ждать - я получила 68 откликов! В конце концов, я заработала, мне даже страшно произнести: 67 миллионов рублей!!! Теперь я, пожалуй, переберусь в Америку насовсем. Сбылась моя голубая мечта! Спасибо, дорогая программа! Желаю всем вам стать такими же счастливыми, как и я, благодаря суперпрограмме! Светлана Георгиевна, Кемеровская обл. А теперь за дело! Желаем Вам огромных успехов!!! От меня лично : Предсказания о миллиардных прибылях, может и сбудутся (логических противоречий нет), но для этого должно пройти время, поэтому гарантировать я ничего не могу, но то что вы вернёте свои деньги гарантировано на 99,9% (0,01% оставляю на то, что ВЫ, получив программу, просто не станете работать). Нашёл одного клиента и окупил затраты, ещё один и окуплены затраты на поиск адресов плюс появилась прибыль, а остальные клиенты идут в чистую прибыль (подарки от друзей не облагаются налогами, хотя все-таки государству надо помогать ;-) Не обязательно рассылать предложения на случайные адреса, можно распространять среди знакомых, оставлять объявления на форумах, досках объявлений, самому найти способ распространения. Ещё раз повторюсь, что начальная часть теории у меня работает, значит и у ВАС заработает! $ Удачи! $ С уважением, Сергей. Из моего опыта. Часто встречающиеся вопросы: Финансовые пирамиды запрещены законадательствами многих стран LAV> (Остается надеяться на конфиденциальность при работе через интернет). ЧУШЬ! Финансовые пирамиды запрещены ТОЛЬКО в БАНКОВСКОЙ деятельности и там, где это попадает под финансовые махинации. А здесь официально получается, что люди, по приколу, отправляют друг другу деньги, в ПОДАРОК! (взаимопомощь) Я не хочу заниматься СПАМом! SPAMить, вас, никто не заставляет! Тем более, что СПАМ - это постоянная, регулярная рассылка рекламных писем, без возможности отказаться от рассылки. Ведь, существуют же доски объявлений, форумы, чаты, друзья, знакомые и ещё много чего! Да и однократная рассылка - НЕ СПАМ. Ко мне простые письма доходят только каждое третье, почта работает отвратительно. Не обязательно же в конверте отправлять, ВАМ могут перевести деньги на счёт в банке или через WebMoney, хоть, лично в руки передать. По почте народ предпочитает не отправлять, так что проблем нет. И еще вопрос, ведь на это все нужно очень много времени, похоже, что ни на что другое его просто не останется (на работу, например). Время тратится в основном на ответы интересующимся, ну по сайтам пройтись, сходить в сбербанк ;) Обычно полчаса - час. Можете на неделю забросить, а потом продолжить. А не обманите? Обижаете! Мне не выгодно вас обманывать за 100 рублей, т.к. с ваших следующих поколений я получу примерно 800р. (при 4-х клиентах) - с 3-его поколения 16х200=3200р. и так по возрастающей... Программа существует, и нет никаких причин для меня её не высылать. Если очень хотите, то я могу прислать вам программу без индивидуального ключа, естественно, адекватно использовать её вам не удастся ;) но зато будете уверенны, что никто никого не обманет. Зачем сразу два e-mail Это надёжней, и чтоб разделить поток писем от следующих поколений на два. Как ты посылаешь много писем ? Я ещё массовой рассылкой не занимался, но многое об этом знаю. Для рассылки писем существуют специальные программы например Advanced Mass Sender. В ней есть встроенный SMTP сервер возможность рассылать почту минуя SMTP сервер провайдера (По идее он не сможет отличить рассылку писем от обычного трафика). У этой прграммы есть ряд преимуществ: а) она бесплатная б) отсекает сразу "мертвые адреса" и не отправляет на них письма в) удобный список формирования адресов с) возможность скрыть свой IP адрес при рассылке писем (советую обязательно использовать эту опцию, т.к. могут пожаловаться вашему провайдеру за рассылку спама) единственный недостаток, что она на английском языке, но файл помощи полностью на русском, так что разобраться с ней не сложно! Только внимательно прочтите справку, и правильно выставите все опции. Советую, рассылать через встроенный в программу сервер SMTP, т.к. тогда можно скрыть свой IP-адрес. Что находится в документах(часть1, часть2...) Это условные части программы, в них находятся данные о предыдущих поколениях. И служат они для гарантии, чтоб клиенты от ваших клиентов обращались именно к Вам. [D126F96H76I81M89I84G83X90S92C74T91I80H76F73R85R84O79Z92] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 15 19:59:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A857337B405; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chat.ru (ppp136-64.dialup.mtu-net.ru [62.118.136.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 11F7443E42; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:56:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from town-lion@yandex.ru) From: Fox Subject: Прочти - потом удаляй, не пожалеешь. YFFJNFCWHC Reply-To: town-lion@yandex.ru X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 06:57:06 +0400 Message-Id: <20020716025631.11F7443E42@mx1.FreeBSD.org> To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ( В конце есть добавление, лично от меня ;) ДОРОГИЕ ДРУЗЬЯ! ОПИСАННАЯ НИЖЕ ПРОГРАММА ПОМОЖЕТ ВАМ СТАТЬ ПО-НАСТОЯЩЕМУ БОГАТЫМИ И СВОБОДНЫМИ ЛЮДЬМИ!!! ЧТО ЖЕ ЭТО ЗА ПРОГРАММА? Эта компьютерная суперпрограмма Golden Stream создана на основе известной и очень популярной во всем мире программы RMI. Но GS в отличие от многих подобных программ имеет ряд больших преимуществ. Вот некоторые из них: 1. Программа работает автономно. Ее работа ни от кого не зависит. Здесь нет ни главного сервера, ни центра регистрации. Она существует так же, как существует Интернет. Ее работа складывается из работы миллионов маленьких кусочков разбросанных по Интернет, и сбой одного из этих кусочков не повлечет за собой сбоя программы в целом. 2. Прогрессирующая шкала взносов и увеличенное количество ступеней позволяют получить большую прибыль с меньшим количеством участников. Достаточно четырех клиентов первого уровня, для того чтобы получить прибыль 30 миллионов рублей! 3. Не маловажное достоинство программы в том, что здесь не возможно нарушить цепочку, т.е. ваша часть программы будет работать только с ключом сформированным в вашей ветке, но не в другой. Если кто-то из участников вашей ветки выходит из бизнеса, это не нарушает структуру и не мешает остальным участникам получать прибыль. Также не возможно перепутать местами участников. 4. В отличие от других программ пересылающих по Интернет книги или репорты, которые занимают сотни килобайт или даже мегабайты, эта программа выполнена в простейшей форме (в ней нет ничего лишнего) и занимает вместе с индивидуальным ключом и инструкциями не более 20 килобайт. Особенно это преимущество ощутимо на высоких уровнях, когда необходимо обрабатывать большое количество заказов. ВСЕ, ЧТО ВАМ НУЖНО БУДЕТ ДЕЛАТЬ, ЭТО РАССЫЛАТЬ ГОТОВЫЕ ПИСЬМА ПО E-MAIL И ВРЕМЯ ОТ ВРЕМЕНИ ХОДИТЬ НА ПОЧТУ ИЛИ В БАНК ЗА ДЕНЬГАМИ! ВАМ ДАЖЕ НЕ НАДО НАПРЯГАТЬ СВОЙ МОЗГ - ЗА ВАС ВСЕ СДЕЛАЕТ КОМПЬЮТЕРНАЯ СУПЕРПРОГРАММА ! С МОМЕНТА ВАШЕГО ВСТУПЛЕНИЯ В БИЗНЕС ПРИБЫЛЬ НАРАСТАЕТ, КАК СНЕЖНЫЙ КОМ, И К КОНЦУ 4-ГО МЕСЯЦА ВЫ ПОЛУЧИТЕ КАК МИНИМУМ 3.000.000 рублей. А ЕСЛИ ВЫ НЕ ОСТАНОВИТЕСЬ НА ДОСТИГНУТОМ, ТО РЕЗУЛЬТАТЫ БУДУТ АСТРОНОМИЧЕСКИЕ 30.000.000 рублей ЗА 6 МЕСЯЦЕВ! КАК ЭТО РАБОТАЕТ? Заплатив 100 рублей, вы получаете от своего куратора первую часть программы, индивидуальный ключ к программе, а также инструкции и любую помощь в вашей работе. Это главное достоинство MLM бизнеса: вы зарабатываете, только помогая заработать другим. Далее вы рассылаете примерно 10000 писем и получаете от 4 до 20 заказов на первую часть. Будем вести все расчеты по минимуму, т.е. это 4 клиента. С помощью своей программы, вы создаете индивидуальный ключ для каждого клиента, и рассылаете им. После того, как вы получите не менее 4 заказов на первую часть, программа предложит вам приобрести вторую часть, и укажет вашего куратора 2 уровня. Вторая часть стоит 200 рублей, но их вы уже окупили, получив за четыре первые части 400 рублей. Каждый из четырех ваших клиентов найдет по 4 своих клиента, т.е. вы получите 16 заказов на вторую часть 16х200=3200 рублей, из которых 400 рублей тратите на приобретение 3 части. Третью часть у вас уже купят 16х4=64 клиента по 400 рублей. Это составит 25600 рублей, из которых 800 рублей вы заплатите за 4 часть. По той же схеме посчитаем доходы от продажи остальных частей: 4 часть - 256 клиентов по 800 руб. - 204800 руб. 5 часть - 1024 клиентов по 1600 руб. - 1638400 руб. 6 часть - 4096 клиентов по 3200 руб. - 13107200 руб. 7 часть - 16384 клиентов по 6400 руб. - 104857600 руб. Получилось около 120 миллионов рублей. Конечно это чистая теория, и 120 миллионов вы, скорее всего, не заработаете, т.к. часть клиентов, по различным причинам, выйдет из этого бизнеса раньше, но 30 миллионов - это доход гарантированный! "В ЧЕМ СЕКРЕТ ТАКОГО ГОЛОВОКРУЖИТЕЛЬНОГО УСПЕХА?", - СПРОСИТЕ ВЫ. ДЕЛО В ТОМ, ЧТО В ПРОГРАММЕ ЗАЛОЖЕНА СЕКРЕТНАЯ ФОРМУЛА, КОТОРАЯ ОБЕСПЕЧИВАЕТ 100%-НЫЙ УСПЕХ ВСЕМ УЧАСТНИКАМ БИЗНЕСА ЗА СЧЕТ УЧЕТА ТАКИХ УТОНЧЕННЫХ ФАКТОРОВ, КОТОРЫХ ЧЕЛОВЕЧЕСКИЙ МОЗГ ПРОСТО НЕ СПОСОБЕН ОХВАТИТЬ. ЧТО ЭТО ЗА ФОРМУЛА? ЭТО СЕКРЕТ ЛЕГЕНДАРНОГО СОЗДАТЕЛЯ RMI МИЯМОТО ИЧИКАВА. НО ГЛАВНОЕ, ЧТО ПРОГРАММА РАБОТАЕТ! И РАБОТАЕТ БЛЕСТЯЩЕ! ЭТО ЧУДО-СИСТЕМА, В КОТОРОЙ УСПЕХ БЕЗУМНО ЗАРАЗЕН! СПЕШИТЕ ЗАРАЗИТЬСЯ И ВЫ! ВНИМАНИЕ В ЛАБОРАТОРИИ СОЦИОЛОГИЧЕСКИХ ИССЛЕДОВАНИЙ В США БЫЛ ПРОВЕДЕН ЭКСПЕРИМЕНТ: ПРОГРАММА ПОДОБНАЯ ЭТОЙ БЫЛА ЗАПУЩЕНА 16 РАЗ В САМЫХ РАЗЛИЧНЫХ УСЛОВИЯХ И С САМЫМИ РАЗНЫМИ ЛЮДЬМИ В КАЧЕСТВЕ УЧАСТНИКОВ БИЗНЕСА, И ВСЕ 16 РАЗ ОНА ПРИНОСИЛА ОДИНАКОВЫЙ УСПЕХ, И НЕ БЫЛО НИ ОДНОГО ЧЕЛОВЕКА, КОТОРЫЙ БЫ ЧУВСТВОВАЛ СЕБЯ ОБДЕЛЕННЫМ И ОБИЖЕННЫМ. ТАКЖЕ СПЕЦИАЛИСТЫ ПРОИЗВЕЛИ НАУЧНЫЙ АНАЛИЗ ФЕНОМЕНА И УСТАНОВИЛИ, ЧТО, НЕСМОТРЯ НА ВНЕШНЕЕ СХОДСТВО, ПО СВОЕЙ МИКРОСТРУКТУРЕ ОНА В КОРНЕ ОТЛИЧАЕТСЯ ОТ СЕТЕВОГО МАРКЕТИНГА И ПРИВОДИТ К НЕСРАВНИМО БОЛЕЕ ВЫСОКИМ, А САМОЕ ГЛАВНОЕ - ДЕМОКРАТИЧНЫМ РЕЗУЛЬТАТАМ, Т.К. ВСЕ УЧАСТНИКИ ЭТОГО БИЗНЕСА ИМЕЮТ ДОХОД. Вы никогда не задумывались, почему большинство людей ничего не достигают в жизни, а только сетуют? Да потому что они мало на что в жизни решаются. На все у них есть готовые определения, причем сформулированные не ими самими, а услышанные от других. Но иметь свое проверенное мнение - это большая роскошь и редкость. Те же, кто не боится пробовать и живет больше действиями, чем сомнениями, очень быстро оказываются на вершине мира! Да, трудно поверить, что можно так быстро разбогатеть, трудно преодолеть свои сомнения, трудно представить себя вдруг сказочно богатым. Но поверьте, если Вы это сделаете, это станет вашим благом и вашим головокружительным успехом! Вы ведь не будете спорить с тем, что Вы достойны большого успеха и большого богатства? И поэтому Вам жизненно необходимо сделать этот шаг на встречу к финансовой независимости, к которой приведет Вас сотрудничество с суперпрограммой! Потому что ваше время настало! Вы наверное думаете: "Откуда возьмется так много клиентов?" - Не беспокойтесь. Ежедневно в России к Интернету подключаются минимум 1000 новых пользователей!!! На всех хватит! ПРАВИЛА УЧАСТИЯ В ПРОГРАММЕ Термины: куратор - участник программы, от которого Вы получили это письмо и у которого Вы должны заказать первую часть; клиент - хозяин E-mail, на который Вы отправляете письмо; ********************************* 1) Чтобы программа заботилась о ваших доходах, Вы должны неукоснительно соблюдать все ее предписания. Помните, что соблюдать все правила - в ваших же интересах! Было много случаев, когда некоторые несознательные участники пытались отклоняться от правил и из-за этого теряли всю свою прибыль. Смысл предпринимаемых шагов Вы будете понимать по мере вашего продвижения в этом бизнесе. Если сначала что-то кажется вам неясным, это абсолютно не страшно! Программа сделает все за Вас, главное - это соблюдать все предписания. 2) Теперь о формах оплаты. Для начала, на первом-втором уровнях, лучше всего использовать систему WebMoney Transfer. Несомненные достоинства этой системы: · высокая оперативность расчетов - денежные переводы между участниками осуществляются максимум за 1 день · исключительная надежность и конфиденциальность - система оперирует лишь номерами кошельков и их уникальными идентификаторами и сообщать свои ФИО вы можете только при своем желании Деньги, которые будут храниться в Вашем личном электронном кошельке, Вы в любой момент и в нужном Вам количестве сможете беспрепятственно снять, либо переведя их на Ваш расчетный счет в любом банке, либо, если у Вас нет счета, просто отправить их себе почтовым переводом. Чтобы завести свой электронный кошелек для расчетов зайдите на www.webmoney.ru Там Вы сможете бесплатно скопировать программу WebMoney keeper и ознакомиться с инструкциями по работе со своими кошельками. (Совет: для пополнения своего кошелька лучше переводить деньги через Сбербанк, т.к. по почте они идут очень долго.) Далее на более высоких уровнях, когда денежный поток будет довольно большой, надежнее всего будет открыть в коммерческом банке свой расчетный счет. Есть и другие варианты для расчетов: почтовый или телеграфный перевод (который зачастую не всех устраивает, т.к. за него необходимо заплатить 10% от суммы) и отправка денег в конверте (но на высоких уровнях этим вариантом лучше не пользоваться, т.к. ежедневный поток большого количества писем вызывает интерес у работников почты, и они могут вскрывать конверты и забирать ваши деньги). Пользуйтесь любым удобным вам вариантом оплаты. В любом случае, прежде чем отправить вам деньги, тем или иным способом, клиент должен получить от вас счет, в котором вы укажете, как вы хотите получить деньги. ВНИМАНИЕ! ПРАВИЛА ОТПРАВКИ ДЕНЕГ В КОНВЕРТЕ: Чтобы ваши деньги не стали достоянием нечестных работников почты, соблюдайте следующие рекомендации, проверенные временем: 1) Возьмите лист ксероксной бумаги формата А4 (найдите самую плотную бумагу, чтобы она как можно меньше просвечивала, желательно 80г/см2). 2) Напишите на листе несколько предложений о том - о сем, не упоминая ничего о деньгах и бизнесе, чтобы при просмотре письма на свет и прочтении текста это походило на содержание обычного, банального письма. С другой стороны листа напишите свой E-mail. 3) Сложите лист вчетверо так, чтобы адрес E-mail оказался внутри, а текст фиктивного письма - снаружи. 4) Возьмите 100-рублевую купюру (безопаснее отправлять деньги одной купюрой), сложите ее пополам и вложите в самую середину сложенного листа. Обязательно в середину, чтобы с обеих сторон купюры было под два слоя бумаги! 5) Вложите лист в конверт, проверьте рукой и тщательно просмотрите на ярком свету, не заметно ли, что в письмо что-то вложено. Если есть какие-то подозрения, переложите купюру так, чтобы устранить это. Можно дополнительно вложить открытку. ВЫ ГОТОВЫ НАЧАТЬ БИЗНЕС?! ИТАК, ПРИСТУПАЕМ! ЧТО ВАМ НЕОБХОДИМО СДЕЛАТЬ: 1. Заведите себе два надежных почтовых ящика на разных серверах (можно бесплатных) для получения заявок на части программы. Не используйте их для рассылки писем, т.к. массовые рассылки могут противоречить правилам сервера, на котором Вы открыли ящик, и есть риск, что ваш ящик без предупреждения закроют, и тогда ваши клиенты не смогут с вами связаться. 2. Запросите у куратора, пославшего вам это предложение, счет на первую часть программы. Укажите в запросе, каким способом вам удобнее оплатить программу и есть ли у вас кошелек WebMoney. 3. Сразу же займитесь поиском адресов E-mail, по которым Вы будете рассылать это письмо. Это могут быть как знакомые, так и незнакомые Вам люди, адреса которых Вы можете в избытке найти, побродив по различным сайтам и доскам объявлений в Интернете. Помните, что ваш потенциальный клиент - это, по сути, просто случайный E-mail, найденный в Интернете. Чем больше адресов Вы найдете, тем больше сможете заработать. 4. Оплатите счет и подтвердите оплату по e-mail. В письме куратору укажите оба ваших e-mail. 5. После поступления денег вы получите от куратора первую часть программы, ваш индивидуальный ключ, а также инструкции по работе с программой и рассылке писем. Ваш куратор обязан помочь вам приобрести программное обеспечение для быстрого поиска в Интернет адресов и рассылки по ним большого количества писем. 6. Как только вы получите программу, начинайте рассылать письма так же, как одно из них пришло к вам. Желательно разослать не менее 20000 писем. Чем больше - тем больший доход вы получите. Используйте для рассылки отдельный почтовый ящик. 7. После получения заявки от вашего клиента сразу отправьте ему счет на оплату (в свободной форме, с указанием Ваших реквизитов). Оплатив счет, клиент отправит Вам подтверждение об оплате и свои адреса, которые Вы должны внести в его индивидуальный ключ с помощью программы. Получив деньги, незамедлительно отправьте клиенту его индивидуальный ключ и программу, а также всю информацию, которая может помочь Вашему клиенту удачно работать в этом бизнесе. Помните - ВАШ ДОХОД - ЭТО ДОХОД ВАШЕГО КЛИЕНТА УМНОЖЕННЫЙ НА ДВА. направьте заказ на Часть 1 своему куратору на его E-mail: Сергей: town-lion@yandex.ru можно в произвольной форме. (При отправлении заказа укажите, как лучше для Вас будет переслать деньги. После получения заявки Вам сообщат адрес либо реквизиты для перевода денег, а программу с ключом вышлют после получения денег.) ВНИМАНИЕ! Не забывайте сообщать свой E-mail при отправке денег! Если Вы не сообщите свой E-mail, то получатель денег не будет знать, кому выполнять заказ на эти деньги! О дальнейших шагах Вы узнаете по мере получения Вами частей программы и продажи их клиентам. Весь процесс растягивается примерно на 6 месяцев со дня начала бизнеса. Если Вы будете четко следовать всем правилам, то вне всяких сомнений будете обладателем нескольких десятков миллионов рублей! Мы знаем, что это будет именно так, и нам останется только поздравить Вас! А теперь несколько отзывов от людей, уже поработавших в нашем бизнесе Всем привет! Спешу поделиться с Вами впечатлением от программы, чтобы Вы, не дай Бог, не прошли мимо. Письмо пришло на E-mail моему мужу. Он решил повеселить меня и позвал почитать, "какую лапшу сейчас на уши вешают". Я не особо вникла в систему, да особо и не старалась что-то понять. Потому что про таких, как я, обычно говорят: "Она родная сестра лени". И это факт. Такую ленивую, праздную, обожающую есть, спать, отдыхать надо еще поискать. В общем, вы уже поняли, наверно, что я не захотела заработать 3.000.000 рублей. Но, к моему счастью, эта цифра все крутилась в моем мозгу и не давала спать. И все-таки, в конце концов, я решила отважно броситься на письмо. К счастью, муж его еще не стер. К своему удивлению, читая 2-й раз, я все понимала. А самое главное, что я уяснила, это то, что напрягаться-то почти не надо! И времени и денежек своих тоже почти тратить не надо. К тому же меня, как и вас, привлекла книга, которая при прочтении меня просто сразила наповал! В общем, решила я, была - не была. Попробую. Обуч За три дня я разослала 13000 писем и решила, что с меня хватит. Села ждать. Через пару дней стали приходить заказы - пришел 21 заказ на 1-ую часть и 2.100 рублей. "Ну, - думаю, - пошло дело". И продолжаю балдеть. Затем приходили еще заказы на 1 часть и пришло 52 заказа на 2 часть и 10400 рублей! ОГО! А к апрелю я получила еще 1 миллион рублей! И тут думаю: "Стоп! Что-то не так. А где обещанные 3 миллиона?" Прочитала еще раз письмо. Тьфу! Вот растяпа! Забыла, что рекомендованное количество отправленных писем - 20000 штук. Не спроста ведь. Вот недотепа! Ну, поднатужилась я и разослала еще где-то 7000 писем. И дополучила еще ответов. Однако опять пришлось ждать 3 месяца, прежде чем я получила долгожданные 3 миллиона рублей или 100 тысяч долларов!!! Ну, а потом стало совсем классно - к нынешнему моменту деньги продолжают прибывать (уже за 30 лимонов перевалило), а у меня одна проблема - куда бы их деть?! Представьте, баба сидит целыми днями и ломает голову, куда бы распихать бабки! Это я! Однако я не совсем дура, и нынче переезжаю в шикарный коттедж в одном из самых престижных районов города, нежусь в роскоши и изобилии, ем экзотические фрукты, рестораны уже надоели. Че еще? Уже купалась в Средиземном море, одеваюсь в тряпки от Версачи и Пакко Раббана.… И прочее, и прочее. Я думаю, фантазия у вас работает, и вы можете себе представить, сколько удовольствий можно доставлять себе, имея такие деньги! Даже это письмецо набирает мой секретарь, у которого вон как глазки разгорелись. Я ему говорю: "Можешь попробовать. Ведь мой первый секретарь бросил меня, разбогатев именно в MLM!" Чего и вам желаю!!! Алла, г. Санкт-Петербург. Р.S. А муженек мой - фома неверующий до сих пор протирает штаны в своей задрипезной конторе. Я принципиально не содержу его. Он же не поверил и нагло смеялся и издевался надо мной! А потом приполз на карачках. Теперь я ему мщу. P.P.S. Искренне желаю всем Вам не пройти мимо этой кучи золота!!! ________________________________________ Здравствуйте, уважаемые господа и дамы! Не так давно - полгода назад я, так же как и вы, сидел и читал письмо, пришедшее на мой E-mail. И, как большинство из вас, я терзался сомнениями. Хотя, если посмотреть трезво - непонятно почему. Видно, так привык человек, всего бояться и страшиться. Да, велики были глаза у моего страха, но я решил попробовать. Ведь в самом ужасном случае я ничего не потеряю, кроме нескольких часов времени, которое и так у меня тратиться бессмысленно, а только приобрету. К тому же я подумал, что хоть одного человека я точно найду, чтобы вернуть свои 100 рублей за первую часть. Не буду утомлять вас подробностями. Я просто четко и досконально выполнял все указания. И через 2,5 месяца я получил 5.000.000 рублей, а через 5,5 месяца - 97.000.000 рублей! Сам Миямото приезжал ко мне и поздравил с грандиозным успехом, причина которого - в четком следовании инструкциям. И это в мои 25 лет! Теперь я начинаю свое огромное дело. Я буду заниматься алмазами! Об этом всегда я мечтал. Мое собственное производ ство будет заниматься особым видо Андрей, г. Мирный (республика Саха). ________________________________________ В первый раз я конкретно стормозил, удалив письмо о программе. Я еще посмеялся над тем, что кто-то вдруг станет слать деньги на мой абонентский ящик. И как же я проклинал свою недоверчивость, когда позвонил брат из Новороссийска и рассказал мне как раз об этом бизнесе и о том, какая это классная штука! Какой я дурак! Ведь я же сам мечтал стать богатым, как же еще я могу быстро разбогатеть, если не с помощью вот такого бизнеса? И когда через месяц письмо снова нашло меня, я уже был умнее. Тут же взялся за дело и разослал около десяти тысяч писем по электронной почте. Отклик был почти мгновенным (есть еще умные люди в России!). Короче, дальше все пошло как по маслу. Я прихожу на почту, а там меня ждут 43 конверта, в каждом из которых по сто рублей! Yes-s! Эта штука заработала!!! А я еще не верил! Вот, блин, пень! Прав был брателла! А что началось потом! Когда я стал продавать 2 часть, каждый день на мой ящик валили по 20-30 конвертов с купюрами. Ну, а когда я занялся 3-й и 4-й частью, мой ящик постоянно был забит до отказа! На прошлой неделе я купил себе новый "Landcruiser". Классный джип! Всегда мечтал о таком! В каком бы дурном настроении я ни проснулся утром, стоит мне вспомнить о моем сверкающем на солнце джипе, я начинаю чувствовать себя самым счастливым человеком на Свете! И все - благодаря суперпрограмме!!! Пишу это с надеждой, что мой урок неверия пойдет вам на пользу, и вы не станете, как я в первый раз, удалять из своего компьютера это письмо, которое имеет приятное свойство превращаться в неограниченное количество денег! Удачи вам! Игорь, г. Волгоград. _______________________________________ Я сразу сердцем ощутила, что это мой шанс! Наконец-то исполнится заветная мечта моего детства - съездить в Америку! Я с удовольствием принялась участвовать в программе. Но по началу сомневалась, удастся ли мне найти так много адресов E-mail. Однако, когда пришла первая часть, то вместе с ней пришло объяснение, где легко, без всяких проблем можно найти сколько угодно адресов электронной почты. За два дня я разослала двадцать тысяч писем, и эффект не заставил себя долго ждать - я получила 68 откликов! В конце концов, я заработала, мне даже страшно произнести: 67 миллионов рублей!!! Теперь я, пожалуй, переберусь в Америку насовсем. Сбылась моя голубая мечта! Спасибо, дорогая программа! Желаю всем вам стать такими же счастливыми, как и я, благодаря суперпрограмме! Светлана Георгиевна, Кемеровская обл. А теперь за дело! Желаем Вам огромных успехов!!! От меня лично : Предсказания о миллиардных прибылях, может и сбудутся (логических противоречий нет), но для этого должно пройти время, поэтому гарантировать я ничего не могу, но то что вы вернёте свои деньги гарантировано на 99,9% (0,01% оставляю на то, что ВЫ, получив программу, просто не станете работать). Нашёл одного клиента и окупил затраты, ещё один и окуплены затраты на поиск адресов плюс появилась прибыль, а остальные клиенты идут в чистую прибыль (подарки от друзей не облагаются налогами, хотя все-таки государству надо помогать ;-) Не обязательно рассылать предложения на случайные адреса, можно распространять среди знакомых, оставлять объявления на форумах, досках объявлений, самому найти способ распространения. Ещё раз повторюсь, что начальная часть теории у меня работает, значит и у ВАС заработает! $ Удачи! $ С уважением, Сергей. Из моего опыта. Часто встречающиеся вопросы: Финансовые пирамиды запрещены законадательствами многих стран LAV> (Остается надеяться на конфиденциальность при работе через интернет). ЧУШЬ! Финансовые пирамиды запрещены ТОЛЬКО в БАНКОВСКОЙ деятельности и там, где это попадает под финансовые махинации. А здесь официально получается, что люди, по приколу, отправляют друг другу деньги, в ПОДАРОК! (взаимопомощь) Я не хочу заниматься СПАМом! SPAMить, вас, никто не заставляет! Тем более, что СПАМ - это постоянная, регулярная рассылка рекламных писем, без возможности отказаться от рассылки. Ведь, существуют же доски объявлений, форумы, чаты, друзья, знакомые и ещё много чего! Да и однократная рассылка - НЕ СПАМ. Ко мне простые письма доходят только каждое третье, почта работает отвратительно. Не обязательно же в конверте отправлять, ВАМ могут перевести деньги на счёт в банке или через WebMoney, хоть, лично в руки передать. По почте народ предпочитает не отправлять, так что проблем нет. И еще вопрос, ведь на это все нужно очень много времени, похоже, что ни на что другое его просто не останется (на работу, например). Время тратится в основном на ответы интересующимся, ну по сайтам пройтись, сходить в сбербанк ;) Обычно полчаса - час. Можете на неделю забросить, а потом продолжить. А не обманите? Обижаете! Мне не выгодно вас обманывать за 100 рублей, т.к. с ваших следующих поколений я получу примерно 800р. (при 4-х клиентах) - с 3-его поколения 16х200=3200р. и так по возрастающей... Программа существует, и нет никаких причин для меня её не высылать. Если очень хотите, то я могу прислать вам программу без индивидуального ключа, естественно, адекватно использовать её вам не удастся ;) но зато будете уверенны, что никто никого не обманет. Зачем сразу два e-mail Это надёжней, и чтоб разделить поток писем от следующих поколений на два. Как ты посылаешь много писем ? Я ещё массовой рассылкой не занимался, но многое об этом знаю. Для рассылки писем существуют специальные программы например Advanced Mass Sender. В ней есть встроенный SMTP сервер возможность рассылать почту минуя SMTP сервер провайдера (По идее он не сможет отличить рассылку писем от обычного трафика). У этой прграммы есть ряд преимуществ: а) она бесплатная б) отсекает сразу "мертвые адреса" и не отправляет на них письма в) удобный список формирования адресов с) возможность скрыть свой IP адрес при рассылке писем (советую обязательно использовать эту опцию, т.к. могут пожаловаться вашему провайдеру за рассылку спама) единственный недостаток, что она на английском языке, но файл помощи полностью на русском, так что разобраться с ней не сложно! Только внимательно прочтите справку, и правильно выставите все опции. Советую, рассылать через встроенный в программу сервер SMTP, т.к. тогда можно скрыть свой IP-адрес. Что находится в документах(часть1, часть2...) Это условные части программы, в них находятся данные о предыдущих поколениях. И служат они для гарантии, чтоб клиенты от ваших клиентов обращались именно к Вам. [Y109F73F76J81N84F75C79W90H77C68Q87K78J80F74T88E69O81G73] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 15 22:44:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D371E37B400 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web13102.mail.yahoo.com (web13102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D6CB43E31 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:44:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msulaimankhan@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20020716054430.83572.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.59.70.55] by web13102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:44:30 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:44:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Sulaiman Khan Subject: installing BSD To: doc@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1157182424-1026798270=:81331" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --0-1157182424-1026798270=:81331 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Sir, For installing BSD there are 2 methods given CD-Rom or network can't i download it to my hard-disk and than install - from which adddres can i obtain the the Free BSD code as a single download --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 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Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes --0-1157182424-1026798270=:81331-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 15 22:44:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A3637B400 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web13102.mail.yahoo.com (web13102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 84EDA43E58 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:44:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msulaimankhan@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20020716054451.83614.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.59.70.55] by web13102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:44:51 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:44:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Sulaiman Khan Subject: installing BSD To: doc@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1804120785-1026798291=:83429" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --0-1804120785-1026798291=:83429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Sir, For installing BSD there are 2 methods given CD-Rom or network can't i download it to my hard-disk and than install - from which adddres can i obtain the the Free BSD code as a single download --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes --0-1804120785-1026798291=:83429 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Dear Sir,

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from which adddres can i obtain the the Free BSD code as a single download



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Autos - Get free new car price quotes --0-1804120785-1026798291=:83429-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 2:50:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B32137B400; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.50.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACEDC43E6E; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 02:50:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/ - 15/04/02) with ESMTP id g6G9mYHj027005; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:48:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g6G9mXjC027004; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:48:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:48:33 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Ross Lippert Cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/40609: Add information about vchans to sound chapter in handbook Message-ID: <20020716114833.A26739@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20020715173223.42bb9033.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <200207152315.QAA06965@eskimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200207152315.QAA06965@eskimo.com>; from ripper@eskimo.com on Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 04:15:41PM -0700 X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 04:15:41PM -0700, Ross Lippert wrote: > > I think that would be kind of cool. Actually, I've done some work with > scanners and cameras too. Not as extensive as the hell I went through > for video playback, but still some hiccups and hurdles that I've seen > people repeat. > > Forking the handbook into "Part II: Super-Hardware" or something like > that seems like a pretty good idea. There was a point in time when > FreeBSD support for exotic devices was non-existent, but a lot of > things have changed, particularly because of the adoption of USB (that > and PCMCIA might deserve their own chapters). With PCMCIA and USB, > there is the potential for a lot of devices to start appearing on the > market which will quickly have drivers written for them. "Part II" is > likely to grow quickly. > What is a "Super-Hardware"? USB is an interface as another one, it doesn't really deserve a chapter, it's not the case of PC Card and other Cardbus which should be in a laptop part. That part already exists as a small laptop article. With the fact that big part could grow quickly, you see why i think that doing a big Chapter 14 is a bad idea for future evolution. > For now though, I'm more inclined to just add the part about vchans to > my current chapter 14, which seems doable, get that chapter 14 > committed, because I think it is important to save people headaches > [and TV/DVD apps are very popular these days], and then start thinking > about a second book, and maybe getting some volunteers, since I only > know the devices I have -- and I'm not a big hacker, really. > Once again, a big *thing* can be done, with many problems in future to split it. Things about video must be added in the Handbook, ok let's just add a video/ directory and a dedicaced chapter. With that solution the idea of a Multimedia or other type of part will be easy to set up. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 5: 0:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C26337B401 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BF343E67 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6GC0DJU070896 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6GC0DV6070895; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E8E37B400 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 04:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (12-233-156-170.client.attbi.com [12.233.156.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E88E43E42 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 04:57:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from HAL9000.homeunix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by HAL9000.homeunix.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6G7P53d000550 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:25:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from das@HAL9000.homeunix.com) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.wox.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g6G7OxBj000546; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:24:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from das) Message-Id: <200207160724.g6G7OxBj000546@HAL9000.wox.org> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 00:24:59 -0700 (PDT) From: David Schultz To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/40648: Confusing instructions for subscribing to mailing lists Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 40648 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Confusing instructions for subscribing to mailing lists >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jul 16 05:00:13 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: David Schultz >Release: N/A >Organization: >Environment: >Description: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html The first thing it says under the ``How to Subscribe'' heading is how to send mail to the lists. Many unalert readers seem to look at the heading, then at the example address and send off a subscribe request to the wrong place. This is annoying for people who are already subscribed, and a big turn-off for potential subscribers, whose requests are silently ignored. A partial solution to this problem is to make the first thing under ``How to Subscribe'' say---you guessed it---how to subscribe. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.87 diff -u -r1.87 chapter.sgml --- chapter.sgml 2002/07/04 14:24:45 1.87 +++ chapter.sgml 2002/07/16 07:15:46 @@ -548,12 +548,6 @@ How to Subscribe - All mailing lists live on FreeBSD.org, so to post to a given list you - simply mail to - <listname@FreeBSD.org>. It will then - be redistributed to mailing list members world-wide. - To subscribe to a list, send mail to &a.majordomo; and include subscribe <listname> [<optional address>] @@ -564,6 +558,13 @@ &prompt.user; mail majordomo@FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-announce ^D + + To actually post to a given list you + simply send mail to + <listname@FreeBSD.org>. It will then + be redistributed to mailing list members world-wide. + Please note, subscription requests go to + &a.majordomo;, not the lists themselves. If you want to subscribe yourself under a different name, or submit a subscription request for a local mailing list (this is more >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 5: 9:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8368337B400 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EB743E3B for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:09:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6GC9YcC014160; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:09:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6GC9YWQ014159; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:09:34 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Sulaiman Khan Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: installing BSD Message-ID: <20020716080934.A14053@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20020716054451.83614.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020716054451.83614.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com>; from msulaimankhan@yahoo.com on Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 10:44:51PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, You would be best served by writing questions@FreeBSD.org, and asking there. Those folks are there exactly for questions like this. Regards, Michael On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 10:44:51PM -0700, Sulaiman Khan wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > For installing BSD there are 2 methods given > > CD-Rom or network > > can't i download it to my hard-disk and than install - > > from which adddres can i obtain the the Free BSD code as a single download > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons Absolute BSD: http://www.nostarch.com/abs_bsd.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 5:16: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA5837B400; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC01A43E3B; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:16:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (keramida@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6GCG4JU076767; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:16:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6GCG457076763; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:16:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <200207161216.g6GCG457076763@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dschultz@uclink.Berkeley.EDU, keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, keramida@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/40648: Confusing instructions for subscribing to mailing lists Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Confusing instructions for subscribing to mailing lists State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: keramida State-Changed-When: Tue Jul 16 05:15:18 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: Excellent point! Thanks for taking the time to do the SGML part of this and submitting it :) Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->keramida Responsible-Changed-By: keramida Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Jul 16 05:15:18 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=40648 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 5:26:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A9237B400 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DAF43E31 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:26:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from www@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (www@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6GCQKJU079310 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:26:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from www@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6GCQKEX079309 for freebsd-doc; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:26:20 -0700 (PDT) From: WWW pseudo-user Message-Id: <200207161226.g6GCQKEX079309@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD web build failed on freefall.freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ===> news/status ===> advocacy ===> events ===> events/2002 ===> FAQ ===> handbook ===> internal /usr/bin/perl5 /c/www/build/www/en/internal/homepage.pl > homepage.inc /usr/bin/sed -e 's///' homepage.sgml | /usr/bin/env SGML_CATALOG_FILES= /usr/local/bin/sgmlnorm -d -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog -D /c/www/build/www/en/internal > homepage.html || (/bin/rm -f homepage.html && false) /usr/local/bin/tidy -i -m -raw -preserve -f /dev/null homepage.html *** Error code 1 (ignored) ===> java ===> java/dists ===> java/docs ===> java/links ===> copyright ===> search ===> gallery ===> projects ===> projects/c99 ===> prstats ===> prstats/../../tools/prstats ./go.tcl /c/gnats 1122 feedback > < feedback> <> 1919 <> 7038 > <> 17756 > <> couldn't open "/c/gnats/pending/40629": no such file or directory while executing "open $fn" (procedure "PR" line 5) invoked from within "PR $pr" ("foreach" body line 2) invoked from within "foreach pr [glob $gnatsdir] { PR $pr } " (file "./go.tcl" line 45) *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/www/tools/prstats. *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/www/en/prstats. *** Error code 1 Stop in /c/www/build/www/en. 230.36 real 73.41 user 2.93 sys To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 5:33:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C710D37B405; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9A043E3B; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:33:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-b127.otenet.gr [212.205.244.135]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6GCXh1x006618; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:33:43 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6GCXgUd005401; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:33:42 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6GCXgS6005400; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:33:42 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 15:33:42 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: WWW pseudo-user Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD web build failed on freefall.freebsd.org Message-ID: <20020716123341.GA5362@hades.hell.gr> References: <200207161226.g6GCQKEX079309@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200207161226.g6GCQKEX079309@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: C1EB 0653 DB8B A557 3829 00F9 D60F 941A 3186 03B6 X-Phone: +30-944-116520 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-07-16 05:26 +0000, WWW pseudo-user wrote: > ===> prstats/../../tools/prstats > ./go.tcl /c/gnats > 1122 feedback > < feedback> <> > 1919 <> > 7038 > <> > 17756 > <> > couldn't open "/c/gnats/pending/40629": no such file or directory HAHA. Alright, I deserved this. Who chose to edit a misfiled PR while having already seen the PR stats scripts running in ps... Sorry folks. I should have waited. This was your typical "race condition" thing. 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Well I don't know what to call it, but it seems like there are all sorts of things that are either peripherals or hardware extensions which are neat to use, but which go beyond the common needs of files, network, printing, and X. How's about "Part II: Power Toys"? >USB is an interface as another one, it doesn't really deserve a chapter, USB is an interface? That's fairly narrow-minded. You can have a USB scanner, a USB PDA, a USB cuecat, a USB camera, a USB creative nomad, and other things no one has thought of yet, but people are developing. SCSI is an interface too, but people pretty much make disks, printers, and scanners for it. USB, right now, is where all the new toys live. Granted, getting these gadgets to work is not a USB interface issue, but I'll bet there are hangups here which these things have in common. >it's not the case of PC Card and other Cardbus which should be in a >laptop part. That part already exists as a small laptop article. OK, this might be a point. I haven't reviewed the laptop article, so I can't disagree with this. >Once again, a big *thing* can be done, with many problems in future to >split it. Things about video must be added in the Handbook, ok let's >just add a video/ directory and a dedicaced chapter. With that solution >the idea of a Multimedia or other type of part will be easy to set up. I could do this. In fact, this is what I first did, but it was suggested that a combination chapter would be better, so I editted the two together. I want to see the current chapter 14 in the handbook and then let's have a "power toys" planning group. -r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 5:49:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29FE37B400; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A309943E4A; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:49:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6GCnSJU084399; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:49:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6GCnSOh084395; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:49:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <200207161249.g6GCnSOh084395@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, blackend@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/38776: In the FAQ 4.X, 3.X, etc... should be used instead of 4.x, 3.x etc... Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: In the FAQ 4.X, 3.X, etc... should be used instead of 4.x, 3.x etc... Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->blackend Responsible-Changed-By: mwlucas Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Jul 16 05:47:47 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: You're now one of us. You can close your own PRs, especially when they touch my beloved FAQ. :-) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=38776 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 6: 8:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66A437B401; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 06:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEE143E5E; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 06:08:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6GD8AJU091869; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 06:08:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6GD8Afc091865; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 06:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 06:08:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <200207161308.g6GD8Afc091865@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dsyphers@uchicago.edu, mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/40250: FAQ contains reference to outdated kernel option "VM86" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: FAQ contains reference to outdated kernel option "VM86" State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: mwlucas State-Changed-When: Tue Jul 16 06:07:45 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: This has been fixed, thanks! Changes may take a day or two to propogate to all the mirrors. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=40250 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 7:30:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB89137B400; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.50.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BAB43E31; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:30:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/ - 15/04/02) with ESMTP id g6GEPxHj028054; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:25:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g6GEPwhr028053; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:25:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:25:58 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Ross Lippert Cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/40609: Add information about vchans to sound chapter in handbook Message-ID: <20020716162558.A27296@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20020716114833.A26739@abigail.blackend.org> <200207161242.FAA04803@eskimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200207161242.FAA04803@eskimo.com>; from ripper@eskimo.com on Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 05:42:25AM -0700 X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 05:42:25AM -0700, Ross Lippert wrote: [...] > USB is an interface? That's fairly narrow-minded. You can have a USB > scanner, a USB PDA, a USB cuecat, a USB camera, a USB creative nomad, > and other things no one has thought of yet, but people are developing. > SCSI is an interface too, but people pretty much make disks, printers, > and scanners for it. USB, right now, is where all the new toys live. > Granted, getting these gadgets to work is not a USB interface issue, > but I'll bet there are hangups here which these things have in common. > When i go to a "computer supermarket", i don't see "USB devices", "PCI devices", i just see "Scanners & digital cams", "Storage" etc... From an user point of view, USB is just an interface nothing more, the user of an USB mouse just cares about the mouse behavior not about the interface type; and if you give him the same mouse but using PS/2, for him it will remain a mouse. And to pick some examples you gave, for PDAs, cameras etc... USB is just an interface to talk with a computer, it could be anything else (serial, irda, firewire...), and that interface is not the fundamental feature of the device. Concerning the use of USB devices, after adding the USB support to the kernel, i don't see many things in common between my pendrive and my webcam, and in the same way you can also try to find things in common between a PCI TV Card and a PCI Modem. The problems will be different between these devices. Doing a classification based on interfaces will lead, again, to problems: for example, for scanners if there is a chapter in the USB part, it means that for scsi ones another chapter will be needed? And what about Firewire? Well a chapter about scanners covering all supported types seems really a better choice. Let me give a last example: when someone wants to buy a scanner, the person is not going to tell the vendor "I want an usb scanner", most of time it will be "I want a scanner to do that..." and then the person will ask "but that model will run with my computer?". How the person will search in the handbook? I'm quite sure mostly persons will look for "Scanners", if "Scanners" does not exists, they will look for "Multimedia", but i doubt many persons will think about a type of interface. The Handbook should in, my opinion, answer to the user in that way: scanners-->overview-->"locating the device" and configuration-->use of apps that is the way used in current sound chapter. However, it's just my opinion, i will (try :) ) to stop that talk there. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 7:43:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491A337B401; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B7543E5E; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:43:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09901; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:43:39 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id HAA09047; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 07:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200207161443.HAA09047@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: blackend@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20020716162558.A27296@abigail.blackend.org> (message from Marc Fonvieille on Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:25:58 +0200) Subject: Re: docs/40609: Add information about vchans to sound chapter in handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Doing a classification based on interfaces will lead, again, to >problems: for example, for scanners if there is a chapter in the USB >part, it means that for scsi ones another chapter will be needed? And >what about Firewire? Well a chapter about scanners covering all supported >types seems really a better choice. OK fine. My bad. Let's move on. >scanners-->overview-->"locating the device" and configuration-->use of apps >that is the way used in current sound chapter. >However, it's just my opinion, i will (try :) ) to stop that talk there. I like this format too. Maybe we should borrow this format as sort of an agreed upon cliche. If the "Power Toys" chapters have a consistent outline like this, then, not only does it give the reader an easier time, but it allows writers to create tentative chapters quickly. -r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 8: 3:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B9B37B400; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6C243E42; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:03:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6GF38JU008067; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:03:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6GF38ZX008063; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:03:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200207161503.g6GF38ZX008063@freefall.freebsd.org> To: swear@blarg.net, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/35652: bsd.README seriously obsolete Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: bsd.README seriously obsolete State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Tue Jul 16 08:01:07 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: ru has just done a nice cleapup of these files, and removed the docb.mk along with sgml.mk http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=35652 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 8:10:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C77337B400; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.50.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84FE43E65; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:10:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/ - 15/04/02) with ESMTP id g6GF7WHj028283; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:07:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g6GF7WUs028282; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:07:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:07:31 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Ross Lippert Cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/40609: Add information about vchans to sound chapter in handbook Message-ID: <20020716170731.A28065@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20020716162558.A27296@abigail.blackend.org> <200207161443.HAA09047@eskimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200207161443.HAA09047@eskimo.com>; from ripper@eskimo.com on Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 07:43:39AM -0700 X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 07:43:39AM -0700, Ross Lippert wrote: [...] > > >scanners-->overview-->"locating the device" and configuration-->use of apps > >that is the way used in current sound chapter. > >However, it's just my opinion, i will (try :) ) to stop that talk there. > I like this format too. Maybe we should borrow this format as sort of an > agreed upon cliche. If the "Power Toys" chapters have a consistent > outline like this, then, not only does it give the reader an easier time, > but it allows writers to create tentative chapters quickly. It's exactly what i tried to say when i talked about "easier to manage" in one of my previous mails. With that idea, your chapter would already be in the tree. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 8:22: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C707237B401; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF7C43E42; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:22:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09555; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:22:04 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA11794; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200207161522.IAA11794@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: blackend@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: trhodes@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20020716170731.A28065@abigail.blackend.org> (message from Marc Fonvieille on Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:07:31 +0200) Subject: Re: docs/40609: Add information about vchans to sound chapter in handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >It's exactly what i tried to say when i talked about "easier to manage" >in one of my previous mails. >With that idea, your chapter would already be in the tree. Well, where were you when we were having the "two chapters versus one chapter" discussion a month ago! It was a separate chapter. I merged it because it seemed the consensus at the time. :-P -r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 8:23: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50EC537B401; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB8E43E67; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:22:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from unknown (lcl234.zbzoom.net [208.236.36.234]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.4/8.12.3) with SMTP id g6GFMsRJ026024; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:22:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:25:40 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Marc Fonvieille Cc: ripper@eskimo.com, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/40609: Add information about vchans to sound chapter in handbook Message-Id: <20020716122540.160256a8.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20020716170731.A28065@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20020716162558.A27296@abigail.blackend.org> <200207161443.HAA09047@eskimo.com> <20020716170731.A28065@abigail.blackend.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.6) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The communication channels seem well open on this subject, perhaps the two of you can come up with a suitable chapter for the multimedia section? Personally, I think we need a usb 'page' or 'pages' but not a chapter, mainly because many vendors document USB, we do not seem to. Off on another note, scanners with KDE and GNOME would be a good section, and while those can fit under the multimedia, the USB under multimedia would be very optional. On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:07:31 +0200 Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 07:43:39AM -0700, Ross Lippert wrote: > [...] > > > > >scanners-->overview-->"locating the device" and configuration-->use > > >of apps that is the way used in current sound chapter. > > >However, it's just my opinion, i will (try :) ) to stop that talk > > >there. > > I like this format too. Maybe we should borrow this format as sort > > of an agreed upon cliche. If the "Power Toys" chapters have a > > consistent outline like this, then, not only does it give the reader > > an easier time, but it allows writers to create tentative chapters > > quickly. > > It's exactly what i tried to say when i talked about "easier to > manage" in one of my previous mails. > With that idea, your chapter would already be in the tree. > > Marc > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > -- Tom (Darklogik) Rhodes www.FreeBSD.org -The Power To Serve www.Pittgoth.com -Pittgoth Discussion Portal trhodes@{Pittgoth.com, FreeBSD.org} PGP key by www: http://www.pittgoth.com/~darklogik/darklogik.key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 8:25:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FBC37B401; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0966A43E58; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:25:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6GFPDJU014988; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:25:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6GFPCGR014984; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:25:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200207161525.g6GFPCGR014984@freefall.freebsd.org> To: marcolz@ilse.nl, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/33559: Some patches for typos... Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Some patches for typos... State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Tue Jul 16 08:24:35 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: When I get the chance, this will be closed. 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7.2.1 Subdirectory Makefiles

-

These directories usually take the form of:

+

These Makefiles usually take the form of:

     SUBDIR =articles
     SUBDIR+=books

>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:
>Unformatted:

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The following reply was made to PR docs/39751; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Eric Anderson 
To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org, pepper@rockefeller.edu
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Subject: Re: docs/39751: handbook/ports-using.html sysinstall clarification
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:23:27 -0500

 Here is a patch to clarify this a little.
 
 --- ports-using.html    Tue Jul 16 07:30:52 2002
 +++ ports-using.html-   Tue Jul 16 12:22:11 2002
 @@ -108,7 +108,13 @@
               
 
               
  • -

    Follow the menus to exit Scroll up to Exit, press Enter.

    +
  • + +
  • +

    Press X to exit sysinstall.

  • -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 12: 0:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31A437B401; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.50.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE5D43E31; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:00:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/ - 15/04/02) with ESMTP id g6GIuoHj029654; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:56:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g6GIuo2G029653; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:56:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:56:50 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Michael Lucas Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/38776: In the FAQ 4.X, 3.X, etc... should be used instead of 4.x, 3.x etc... Message-ID: <20020716205650.A29480@abigail.blackend.org> References: <200207161249.g6GCnSOh084395@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200207161249.g6GCnSOh084395@freefall.freebsd.org>; from mwlucas@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 05:49:28AM -0700 X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 05:49:28AM -0700, Michael Lucas wrote: > Synopsis: In the FAQ 4.X, 3.X, etc... should be used instead of 4.x, 3.x etc... > > Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->blackend > Responsible-Changed-By: mwlucas > Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Jul 16 05:47:47 PDT 2002 > Responsible-Changed-Why: > You're now one of us. 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Подрлбности по телефонам 781-0026 781-0027, 782-7155. info@telecom-a.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 12:39:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8073C37B401; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2508F43E58; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:39:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blackend@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (blackend@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6GJdbJU063494; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:39:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blackend@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from blackend@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6GJdbeI063490; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Fonvieille Message-Id: <200207161939.g6GJdbeI063490@freefall.freebsd.org> To: blackend@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, blackend@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/37504: The word PC Card should be used instead of PC-CARD in pccardd.8 and pccard.conf.5 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: The word PC Card should be used instead of PC-CARD in pccardd.8 and pccard.conf.5 Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->blackend Responsible-Changed-By: blackend Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Jul 16 12:39:01 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: It's one of my old PRs :) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=37504 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 16:15:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E9B37B400; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C2543E3B; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:15:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blackend@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (blackend@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6GNFtJU002857; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:15:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blackend@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from blackend@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6GNFtEd002853; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:15:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Fonvieille Message-Id: <200207162315.g6GNFtEd002853@freefall.freebsd.org> To: anderson@centtech.com, blackend@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/40658: Section 7.2.1 says "These directories" - should be "These Makefiles" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Section 7.2.1 says "These directories" - should be "These Makefiles" State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: blackend State-Changed-When: Tue Jul 16 16:14:27 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: Changes done on the sgml file. Thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=40658 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 16:24:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453D337B400; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F179243E4A; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:24:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blackend@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (blackend@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6GNOHJU003648; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:24:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blackend@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from blackend@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6GNOHRC003644; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:24:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Fonvieille Message-Id: <200207162324.g6GNOHRC003644@freefall.freebsd.org> To: trevor@jpj.net, blackend@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/38225: change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: blackend State-Changed-When: Tue Jul 16 16:22:21 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: "CDROM" is the choice of the docproj, have a look to: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/x3258.html and http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install/chapter.sgml?rev=1.72&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=38225 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 16:42:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BE337B400; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blues.jpj.net (blues.jpj.net [208.210.80.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D9443E4A; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:42:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevor@jpj.net) Received: from blues.jpj.net (localhost.jpj.net [127.0.0.1]) by blues.jpj.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6GNgKVe081364; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:42:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trevor@jpj.net) Received: from localhost (trevor@localhost) by blues.jpj.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g6GNgKjG081361; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:42:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: blues.jpj.net: trevor owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:42:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Trevor Johnson To: Marc Fonvieille Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Subject: Re: docs/38225: change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" In-Reply-To: <200207162324.g6GNOHRC003644@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20020716193631.H80939-100000@blues.jpj.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > Synopsis: change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" > > State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > State-Changed-By: blackend > State-Changed-When: Tue Jul 16 16:22:21 PDT 2002 > State-Changed-Why: > "CDROM" is the choice of the docproj, have a look to: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/x3258.html > and > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install/chapter.sgml?rev=1.72&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup The PR contains abundant evidence that this choice was incorrect, and the accompanying patch changes the word list in the style guide. > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=38225 -- Trevor Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 16:47: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA37937B401; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:47:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD4543E4A; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:47:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trevor@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6GNkTJU005622; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:46:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevor@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trevor@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6GNkTlY005618; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:46:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:46:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Trevor Johnson Message-Id: <200207162346.g6GNkTlY005618@freefall.freebsd.org> To: trevor@jpj.net, trevor@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/38225: change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" State-Changed-From-To: closed->open State-Changed-By: trevor State-Changed-When: Tue Jul 16 16:43:06 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: With the patch accompanying this PR, I proposed to change doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/writing-style/chapter.sgml . The fact that the patch has not yet been applied is IMO not a valid reason for closing the PR. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=38225 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 16:50: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3315737B400 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECDBA43E64 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6GNo3JU005750 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6GNo3Mm005749; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200207162350.g6GNo3Mm005749@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Trevor Johnson Subject: Re: docs/38225: change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" Reply-To: Trevor Johnson Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/38225; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Trevor Johnson To: Marc Fonvieille Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Subject: Re: docs/38225: change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:42:20 -0400 (EDT) On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > Synopsis: change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" > > State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > State-Changed-By: blackend > State-Changed-When: Tue Jul 16 16:22:21 PDT 2002 > State-Changed-Why: > "CDROM" is the choice of the docproj, have a look to: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/x3258.html > and > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install/chapter.sgml?rev=1.72&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup The PR contains abundant evidence that this choice was incorrect, and the accompanying patch changes the word list in the style guide. > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=38225 -- Trevor Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 16:53:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CAA37B400 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.ovh.net (b0.ovh.net [213.186.33.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E5B43E58 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:53:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nico@xiloc.com) Received: (qmail 25741 invoked by uid 503); 16 Jul 2002 23:54:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.0.13) (213.245.9.146) by ns0.ovh.net with SMTP; 16 Jul 2002 23:54:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 01:52:50 +0200 From: Nicolas Caille X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal Reply-To: Nicolas Caille Organization: Xiloc Corporation X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <10110818128.20020717015250@xiloc.com> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: picobsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello John, I have written the index.sgml for the new PicoBSD web site, here is a copy of it and then my questions : %includes; ]> &header; &footer; The line 2 has been filled by myself doing like in the CVS. Is the path correct for you ? (Path given by John Baldwin jhb@FreeBSD.org) I intend to give PicoBSD its own header, footer and picobsd.css (CSS at the root of the PicoBSD website) but I don't know how to fill the includes.sgml which also will be at the document root for PicoBSD because of the fields that i am not yet able to have... Thanks for your answers. -- Best regards, Nicolas Caille mailto:nico@xiloc.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 17:14:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A36F37B400; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blues.jpj.net (blues.jpj.net [208.210.80.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DD943E3B; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:14:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevor@jpj.net) Received: from blues.jpj.net (localhost.jpj.net [127.0.0.1]) by blues.jpj.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6H0EMVe082630; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:14:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trevor@jpj.net) Received: from localhost (trevor@localhost) by blues.jpj.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g6H0EMb7082627; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:14:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: blues.jpj.net: trevor owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:14:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Trevor Johnson To: Trevor Johnson Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, , Marc Fonvieille Subject: Re: docs/38225: change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" In-Reply-To: <200207162346.g6GNkTlY005618@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20020716194903.E80939-100000@blues.jpj.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > State-Changed-From-To: closed->open > State-Changed-By: trevor > State-Changed-When: Tue Jul 16 16:43:06 PDT 2002 > State-Changed-Why: > With the patch accompanying this PR, I proposed to change > doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/writing-style/chapter.sgml . > The fact that the patch has not yet been applied is IMO not a valid > reason for closing the PR. > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=38225 Before I submitted this PR, I was advised in a private e-mail that I should "launch a campaign to change the word-list of the FDP." If this PR is not the proper way to do so, please let me know what the procedure is. My correspondent told me that the existence of Walnut Creek CDROM was a factor in the choice of "CDROM" over "CD-ROM." A (probably related) factor was that "CDROM" already outnumbered "CD-ROM," so it was easier to change to the incorrect spelling. With the company's unfortunate demise, the decision should be reconsidered. Oftentimes, words are intentionally misspelled (for example "EZ," "Cheez," or "Wip") in order to make a trademark more enforceable. Perhaps that happened here. -- Trevor Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 17:20: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F88937B400 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462D743E42 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:20:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6H0K3JU012410 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6H0K336012409; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 17:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200207170020.g6H0K336012409@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: Trevor Johnson Subject: Re: docs/38225: change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" Reply-To: Trevor Johnson Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/38225; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Trevor Johnson To: Trevor Johnson Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, , Marc Fonvieille Subject: Re: docs/38225: change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:14:22 -0400 (EDT) > State-Changed-From-To: closed->open > State-Changed-By: trevor > State-Changed-When: Tue Jul 16 16:43:06 PDT 2002 > State-Changed-Why: > With the patch accompanying this PR, I proposed to change > doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/writing-style/chapter.sgml . > The fact that the patch has not yet been applied is IMO not a valid > reason for closing the PR. > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=38225 Before I submitted this PR, I was advised in a private e-mail that I should "launch a campaign to change the word-list of the FDP." If this PR is not the proper way to do so, please let me know what the procedure is. My correspondent told me that the existence of Walnut Creek CDROM was a factor in the choice of "CDROM" over "CD-ROM." A (probably related) factor was that "CDROM" already outnumbered "CD-ROM," so it was easier to change to the incorrect spelling. With the company's unfortunate demise, the decision should be reconsidered. Oftentimes, words are intentionally misspelled (for example "EZ," "Cheez," or "Wip") in order to make a trademark more enforceable. Perhaps that happened here. -- Trevor Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 19:10:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC3637B400 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455B043E4A for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6H2A2JU031223 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6H2A2fD031222; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C632937B400 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hardtime.linuxman.net (hardtime.linuxman.net [66.147.26.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0687943E3B for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:01:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from mortis.over-yonder.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hardtime.linuxman.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6H1HTJ29045 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:17:29 -0500 Received: by mortis.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 4711D1F02; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:01:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <20020717020136.4711D1F02@mortis.over-yonder.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:01:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Matthew D.Fuller" Reply-To: "Matthew D.Fuller" To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/40674: Change my email address in contributors page. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 40674 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Change my email address in contributors page. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jul 16 19:10:01 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Matthew D. Fuller >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD mortis.sighup.org 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Fri Jun 14 08:09:49 CDT 2002 fullermd@mortis.sighup.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MORTIS i386 >Description: The email address given for me in the Contributors page is all but dead, and doubtless won't hang onto its remaining thread of life for long. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.68 diff -u -r1.68 article.sgml --- article.sgml 20 Dec 2001 17:09:09 -0000 1.68 +++ article.sgml 17 Jul 2002 01:59:50 -0000 @@ -4694,7 +4694,7 @@ - Matthew Fuller fullermd@futuresouth.com + Matthew Fuller fullermd@over-yonder.net >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 16 22:45:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3F737B400 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.50.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F7243E64 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:45:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/ - 15/04/02) with ESMTP id g6H5eaPI032479; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:40:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g6H5eZ5J032478; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:40:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:40:35 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Trevor Johnson Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/38225: change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" Message-ID: <20020717074035.A30766@abigail.blackend.org> References: <200207170020.g6H0K336012409@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200207170020.g6H0K336012409@freefall.freebsd.org>; from trevor@jpj.net on Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 05:20:03PM -0700 X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 05:20:03PM -0700, Trevor Johnson wrote: [...] As you could notice, before closing the PR i submitted a follow-up, with no answers from others and from you. Maybe the time i gave was short, but i'm quite sure that no one was on the way to answer :))) I'm happy that the close make at least on person move :) > > Before I submitted this PR, I was advised in a private e-mail that I > should "launch a campaign to change the word-list of the FDP." If this PR -doc exists to talk about these problems. I can't guess what people do in private. > is not the proper way to do so, please let me know what the procedure is. > My correspondent told me that the existence of Walnut Creek CDROM was a > factor in the choice of "CDROM" over "CD-ROM." A (probably related) > factor was that "CDROM" already outnumbered "CD-ROM," so it was easier to > change to the incorrect spelling. With the company's unfortunate demise, > the decision should be reconsidered. As i said in my follow-up, it was an old choice and when it was time (look at commit logs url i gave in my previous mail) to take care about it no one did. Concerning FreeBSD CDs, http://www.freebsdmall.com/ still use CDROM: for example http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm/bsdtool or CD set. I took interest in the problem cause during translation; i wondered if i had to keep CDROM or use CD-ROM. Finally, i kept CDROM cause i saw it as a choice and as one from "history". Let's do a list of "words with problem", maybe a PR is not mandatory for that, post it on -doc. I will work on it, since i'm trying to respect words and my past thing about IPsec or PC Card can show that interest. In that domain, my goal is to see people from src/ respect words even in code comments, i know maybe it's crazy and too much :) but it's the way to have something consistent. So i'm waiting for the list :) Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 17 0:57:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2233937B400 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ginseng.io.com (ginseng.io.com [206.224.64.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E339043E3B for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:57:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from www-data@ginseng.io.com) Received: by ginseng.io.com (Postfix, from userid 33) id A359826AA8; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:57:49 -0500 (CDT) To: Subject: Email removal confirmation From: EIN Admin Message-Id: <20020717075749.A359826AA8@ginseng.io.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:57:49 -0500 (CDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sir/Madam We have just deleted your e-mail address from receiving any additional promotion & marketing e-mails from EIN. 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Thank you and regards, Daily Brief Central EIN Media http://www.einmedia.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 17 5: 3: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A288137B401 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from south.nanolink.com (south.nanolink.com [217.75.134.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E8B143E8A for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:01:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roam@straylight.ringlet.net) Received: (qmail 97239 invoked by uid 85); 17 Jul 2002 12:14:21 -0000 Received: from sbnd.online.bg (HELO straylight.ringlet.net) (217.75.129.196) by south.nanolink.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2002 12:14:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 12995 invoked by uid 1000); 17 Jul 2002 12:00:32 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 15:00:31 +0300 From: Peter Pentchev To: Joseph Koshy Cc: doc@freebsd.org, nik@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem building the Handbook and dsssl-docbook-modular-1.77 Message-ID: <20020717120030.GG359@straylight.oblivion.bg> Mail-Followup-To: Joseph Koshy , doc@freebsd.org, nik@freebsd.org References: <20020712110007.9B1DB37B400@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020712110007.9B1DB37B400@hub.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by Nik's Monitoring Daemon (AMaViS perl-11d ) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 12, 2002 at 04:00:07AM -0700, Joseph Koshy wrote: >=20 >=20 > After upgrading the textproc/dsssl-docbook-modular port to its current > (v1.77) version, Jade appears to get stuck in an infinite loop when > building the Handbook. Handbook builds with the older version 1.73 > distribution go through without problems. >=20 > Is this a known problem? Yes, see the thread named 'vinum article (was: re: /usr/doc something)' from a couple of days ago; unfortunately, no one seems to have any idea what change in the DSSSL stylesheets triggers this :( G'luck, Peter --=20 Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 If there were no counterfactuals, this sentence would not have been paradox= ical. --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9NVxe7Ri2jRYZRVMRAvK/AJ9k8y/jwTNzkUvq0sa3IOa5Wt9k2ACfZmM1 3U25ZLlLzQQh9K0nlB9ornM= =Kpzy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 17 7: 1:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694CB37B400 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB1C43E6A for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:01:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6HE1G127164 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:01:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g6HE1GP14506 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:01:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6HE1D914499 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:01:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D3578A9.9050103@centtech.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:01:13 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0rc2) Gecko/20020513 Netscape/7.0b1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: META Description tags? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think it would be a good idea if all the www/doc pages had Meta-Description tags in them as well - this could really help the search efforts (not only my own, but others like google as well). Is there any project underway already to add them? If not, I can start going through them one by one putting them in if it sounds like a good idea (and not only a good idea in my own head). Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 17 11:57:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBED937B401; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA2243E67; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:57:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6HIvKJU038206; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:57:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6HIvKjj038201; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:57:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200207171857.g6HIvKjj038201@freefall.freebsd.org> To: fullermd@over-yonder.net, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/40674: Change my email address in contributors page. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Change my email address in contributors page. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 17 11:56:36 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: This patch didn't apply, but I updated your email address regardless. Thanks for your submission! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=40674 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 17 12:16:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DFC37B400; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D789C43E9C; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6HJG7JU047512; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6HJG7xb047504; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:16:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200207171916.g6HJG7xb047504@freefall.freebsd.org> To: pepper@rockefeller.edu, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/39055: PR Handling Guidelines: clean up typos, capitalize GNATS, and several rewordings to improve clarity. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: PR Handling Guidelines: clean up typos, capitalize GNATS, and several rewordings to improve clarity. State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 17 12:15:41 PDT 2002 State-Changed-Why: Committed! Thanks for the submission! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=39055 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 17 13:24: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC0F37B400; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC7943E6D; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:22:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (jim@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6HKMUJU059480; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:22:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6HKMUlc059476; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:22:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Mock Message-Id: <200207172022.g6HKMUlc059476@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jim@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, jim@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/31653: Chapter 14 of the Handbook lacks content Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Chapter 14 of the Handbook lacks content Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->jim Responsible-Changed-By: jim Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Jul 17 13:21:38 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll take this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=31653 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 17 13:24:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABC937B400; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDC243EAA; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:24:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (jim@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6HKO2JU059617; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:24:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.4/8.12.4/Submit) id g6HKO2If059613; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:24:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:24:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Mock Message-Id: <200207172024.g6HKO2If059613@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jim@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, jim@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/36837: Handbook lacks information about setting up wireless networks Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Handbook lacks information about setting up wireless networks Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->jim Responsible-Changed-By: jim Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Jul 17 13:23:43 PDT 2002 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll take this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=36837 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 17 13:42: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAAEB37B400; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B8243E58; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:41:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12899; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:41:07 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA15290; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200207172041.NAA15290@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: jim@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: jim@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, jim@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <200207172022.g6HKMUlc059476@freefall.freebsd.org> (message from Jim Mock on Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:22:30 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: docs/31653: Chapter 14 of the Handbook lacks content Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I already took this and produced a tentative results weeks ago (with some recent mods). I hope it helps. -r Ross Lippert Edited by Multimedia Synopsis FreeBSD supports a wide variety of sound cards, allowing you to enjoy high fidelity output from your computer. This includes the ability to record and playback audio in the MPEG Audio Layer 3 (MP3), WAV, and Ogg Vorbis formats as well as many other formats. The FreeBSD Ports Collection also contains applications allowing you to edit your recorded audio, add sound effects, and control attached MIDI devices. With some willingness to experiment, FreeBSD can support playback of video files and DVD's. The number of applications to encode, convert, and playback various video media is more limited than the number of sound applications. For example as of this writing, there is no good re-encoding application in the FreeBSD Ports Collection, which could be use to interconvert between formats, as there is with audio/sox. However, the software landscape in this area is changing rapidly. This chapter will describe the necessary steps to configure your sound card. The configuration and installation of XFree86 () has already taken care of the hardware issues for your video card, though there may be some tweaks to apply for better playback. After reading this section, you will know: How to configure your system so that your sound card is recognized. Methods to test that your card is working using sample applications. How to troubleshoot your sound setup. How to playback and encode MP3s and other audio. How video is supported by XFree86. Some video player/encoder ports which give good results. How to playback DVD's, .mpg and .avi files. How to rip CD and DVD information into files. Before reading this chapter, you should: Know how to configure and install a new kernel (). For the video sections, it is assumed that XFree86 4.X (x11/XFree86-4) has been installed. XFree86 3.X may work, but it has not been tested with what is described in this chapter. If you find that something described here does work with XFree86 3.X please let us know. Trying to mount an audio CD or a video DVD with the mount command will result in an error, at least, and a kernel panic, at worst. These media have specialized encodings which differ from the usual ISO-filesystem. Moses Moore Contributed by Setting Up The Sound Card Locating the Correct Device PCI ISA sound cards Before you begin, you should know the model of the card you have, the chip it uses, and whether it is a PCI or ISA card. FreeBSD supports a wide variety of both PCI and ISA cards. If you do not see your card in the following list, check the &man.pcm.4; manual page. This is not a complete list; however, it does list some of the most common cards. Crystal 4237, 4236, 4232, 4231 Yamaha OPL-SAx OPTi931 Ensoniq AudioPCI 1370/1371 ESS Solo-1/1E NeoMagic 256AV/ZX Sound Blaster Pro, 16, 32, AWE64, AWE128, Live Creative ViBRA16 Advanced Asound 100, 110, and Logic ALS120 ES 1868, 1869, 1879, 1888 Gravis UltraSound Aureal Vortex 1 or 2 kernel configuration To use your sound device, you will need to load the proper device driver. This may be accomplished in one of two ways. The easiest way is to simply load a kernel module for your sound card with &man.kldload.8;. Alternatively, you may statically compile in support for your sound card in your kernel. The sections below provide the information you need to add support for your hardware in this manner. For more information about recompiling your kernel, please see . Creative, Advance, and ESS Sound Cards If you have one of the above cards, you will need to add: device pcm to your kernel configuration file. If you have a PnP ISA card, you will also need to add: device sbc For a non-PnP ISA card, add: device pcm device sbc0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 to your kernel configuration file. The settings shown above are the defaults. You may need to change the IRQ or the other settings to match your card. See the &man.sbc.4; manual page for more information. The Sound Blaster Live is not supported under FreeBSD 4.0 without a patch, which this section will not cover. It is recommended that you update to the latest -STABLE before trying to use this card. Gravis UltraSound Cards For a PnP ISA card, you will need to add: device pcm device gusc to your kernel configuration file. If you have a non-PnP ISA card, you will need to add: device pcm device gus0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x13 to your kernel configuration file. You may need to change the IRQ or the other settings to match your card. See the &man.gusc.4; manual page for more information. Crystal Sound Cards For Crystal cards, you will need to add: device pcm device csa to your kernel configuration file. Generic Support For PnP ISA or PCI cards, you will need to add: device pcm to your kernel configuration file. If you have a non-PnP ISA sound card that does not have a bridge driver, you will need to add: device pcm0 at isa? irq 10 drq 1 flags 0x0 to your kernel configuration file. You may need to change the IRQ or the other settings to match your card. Onboard Sound Some systems with built-in motherboard sound devices may require the following option in your kernel configuration: options PNPBIOS Creating and Testing the Device Nodes device nodes After you reboot, log in and run dmesg | grep pcm as shown below: &prompt.root; dmesg | grep pcm pcm0: <SB16 DSP 4.11> on sbc0 The output from your system may look different. If no pcm devices show up, something went wrong earlier. If that happens, go through your kernel configuration file again and make sure you chose the correct device. Common problems are listed in . If the previous command returned pcm0, you will have to run the following as root: &prompt.root; cd /dev &prompt.root; sh MAKEDEV snd0 If the command returned pcm1, follow the same steps as shown above, replacing snd0 with snd1. The above commands will not create a /dev/snd device! MAKEDEV will create a group of device nodes, including: Device Description /dev/audio SPARC-compatible audio device /dev/dsp Digitized voice device /dev/dspW Like /dev/dsp, but 16 bits per sample /dev/midi Raw midi access device /dev/mixer Control port mixer device /dev/music Level 2 sequencer interface /dev/sequencer Sequencer device /dev/pss Programmable device interface If all goes well, you should now have a functioning sound card. If your CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive is properly coupled to your soundcard, you can put a CD in the drive and play it with &man.cdcontrol.1;. &prompt.user; cdcontrol -f /dev/acd0c play 1 Various applications, such as audio/workman offer a better interface. You may want to install an application such as audio/mpg123 to listen to MP3 audio files. Common Problems Error Solution device node unsupported subdevice XX One or more of the device nodes was not created correctly. Repeat the steps above. I/O port sb_dspwr(XX) timed out The I/O port is not set correctly. IRQ bad irq XX The IRQ is set incorrectly. Make sure that the set IRQ and the sound IRQ are the same. xxx: gus pcm not attached, out of memory There is not enough available memory to use the device. DSP xxx: can't open /dev/dsp! Check with fstat | grep dsp if another application is holding the device open. Noteworthy troublemakers are esound and KDE's sound support. Munish Chopra Contributed by Utilizing Multiple Sound Sources It is often desirable to have multiple sources of sound that are able to play simultaneously, such as when esound or artsd do not support sharing of the sound device with a certain application. FreeBSD lets you do this through Virtual Sound Channels, which can be set with the &man.sysctl.8; facility. Virtual channels allow you to multiplex your sound card's playback channels by mixing sound in the kernel. To set the number of virtual channels, there are two sysctl knobs which, if you are the root user, can be set like this: &prompt.root; sysctl hw.snd.pcm0.vchans=4 &prompt.root; sysctl hw.snd.maxautovchans=4 hw.snd.pcm0.vchans is the number of vchans pcm0 has, and is configurable once a device has been attached. hw.snd.maxautovchans is the number of vchans a new audio device is given when it is attached using &man.kldload.8;. Since the pcm module can be loaded independently of the hardware drivers, hw.snd.maxautovchans can store how many vchans any devices which are attached later will be given. If you are not using &man.devfs.5;, you will have to point your applications at /dev/dsp0.x, where 'x' is 0 to 3 if hw.snd.pcm.0.vchans is set to 4. On a system using &man.devfs.5, the above will automatically be allocated to the user transparently. Chern Lee Contributed by MP3 Audio MP3 (MPEG Layer 3 Audio) accomplishes near CD-quality sound, leaving no reason to let your FreeBSD workstation fall short of its offerings. MP3 Players By far, the most popular XFree86 MP3 player is XMMS (X Multimedia System). Winamp skins can be used with XMMS since the GUI is almost identical to that of Nullsoft's Winamp. XMMS also has native plug-in support. XMMS can be installed from the audio/xmms port or package. XMMS' interface is intuitive, with a playlist, graphic equalizer, and more. Those familiar with Winamp will find XMMS simple to use. The audio/mpg123 port is an alternative, command-line MP3 player. mpg123 can be run by specifying the sound device and the MP3 file on the command line, as shown below: &prompt.root; mpg123 -a /dev/dsp1.0 Foobar-GreatestHits.mp3 High Performance MPEG 1.0/2.0/2.5 Audio Player for Layer 1, 2 and 3. Version 0.59r (1999/Jun/15). Written and copyrights by Michael Hipp. Uses code from various people. See 'README' for more! THIS SOFTWARE COMES WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY! USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! Playing MPEG stream from BT - Foobar-GreastHits.mp3 ... MPEG 1.0 layer III, 128 kbit/s, 44100 Hz joint-stereo /dev/dsp1.0 should be replaced with the dsp device entry on your system. Ripping CD Audio Tracks Before encoding a CD or CD track to MP3, the audio data on the CD must be ripped onto the hard drive. This is done by copying the raw CDDA (CD Digital Audio) data to WAV files. The cdda2wav tool, which is a part of the sysutils/cdrtools suite, is used for ripping audio information from CDs and the information associated with them. With the audio CD in the drive, the following command can be issued (as root) to rip an entire CD into individual (per track) WAV files: &prompt.root; cdda2wav -D 0,1,0 -B cdda2wav will support ATAPI (IDE) CDROM drives. To rip from an IDE drive, specify the device name in place of the SCSI unit numbers. For example, to rip track 7 from an IDE drive: &prompt.root; cdda2wav -D /dev/acd0a -t 7 The indicates the SCSI device 0,1,0, which corresponds to the output of cdrecord -scanbus. To rip individual tracks, make use of the option as shown: &prompt.root; cdda2wav -D 0,1,0 -t 7 This example rips track seven of the audio CDROM. To rip a range of tracks, for example, track one to seven, specify a range: &prompt.root; cdda2wav -D 0,1,0 -t 1+7 Encoding MP3s Nowadays, the mp3 encoder of choice is lame. Lame can be found at audio/lame in the ports tree. Using the ripped WAV files, the following command will convert audio01.wav to audio01.mp3: &prompt.root; lame -h -b 128 \ --tt "Foo Song Title" \ --ta "FooBar Artist" \ --tl "FooBar Album" \ --ty "2001" \ --tc "Ripped and encoded by Foo" \ --tg "Genre" \ audio01.wav audio01.mp3 128 kbits seems to be the standard MP3 bitrate in use. Many enjoy the higher quality 160, or 192. The higher the bitrate, the more disk space the resulting MP3 will consume--but the quality will be higher. The option turns on the higher quality but a little slower mode. The options beginning with indicate ID3 tags, which usually contain song information, to be embedded within the MP3 file. Additional encoding options can be found by consulting the lame man page. Decoding MP3s In order to burn an audio CD from MP3s, they must be converted to a non-compressed WAV format. Both XMMS and mpg123 support the output of MP3 to an uncompressed file format. Writing to Disk in XMMS: Launch XMMS. Right-click on the window to bring up the XMMS menu. Select Preference under Options. Change the Output Plugin to Disk Writer Plugin. Press Configure. Enter (or choose browse) a directory to write the uncompressed files to. Load the MP3 file into XMMS as usual, with volume at 100% and EQ settings turned off. Press PlayXMMS will appear as if it is playing the MP3, but no music will be heard. It is actually playing the MP3 to a file. Be sure to set the default Output Plugin back to what it was before in order to listen to MP3s again. Writing to stdout in mpg123: Run mpg123 -s audio01.mp3 > audio01.pcm XMMS writes a file in the WAV format, while mpg123 converts the MP3 into raw PCM audio data. Both of these formats can be used with cdrecord or burncd to create audio CDROMs. Read for more information on using a CD burner in FreeBSD. Ross Lippert Contributed by Video Playback Video playback is a very new and rapidly developing application area. Be patient. Not everything is going to work as smoothly as it did with sound. Before you begin, you should know the model of the video card you have and the chip it uses. While XFree86 supports a wide variety of video cards, fewer give good playback performance. To obtain a list of extensions supported by the X-server using your card use the command &man.xdpyinfo.1; while X11 is running. It is a good idea to have a short MPEG file which can be treated as a test file for evaluating various players and options. Since some DVD players will look for DVD media in /dev/dvd by default, or have this device name hardcoded in them, you might find it useful to make symbolic links to the proper devices: &prompt.root; ln -sf /dev/acd0c /dev/dvd &prompt.root; ln -sf /dev/racd0c /dev/rdvd On FreeBSD-5.X, which uses devfs there is a slightly different set of recommended links: &prompt.root; ln -sf /dev/acd0c /dev/dvd &prompt.root; ln -sf /dev/acd0c /dev/rdvd Additionally, DVD decryption, which requires invoking special DVD-ROM functions, requires write permission on the DVD devices. Some of the ports discussed rely on the following kernel options to build correctly. Before attempting to build, add these options to the kernel and reboot: option CPU_ENABLE_SSE option USER_LDT To enhance the shared memory X11 interface, it is recommended that the values of some &man.sysctl.8; variables should be increased: kern.ipc.shmmax=67108864 kern.ipc.shmall=32768 Determining Video capabilities Xvideo SDL DGA kernel configuration options CPU_ENABLE_SSE kernel configuration options USER_LDT There are several possible ways to display video under X11. What will really work is largely hardware dependent. Each method described below will have varying quality across different hardware. Secondly, the rendering of video in X11 is a topic receiving a lot of attention lately, and with each version of XFree86 there may be significant improvement. A list of common video interfaces: X11: normal X11 output using shared memory XVideo: an extension to the X11 interface which supports video in any X11 drawable. SDL: the Simple Directmedia Layer DGA: the Direct Graphics Access SVGAlib: low level console graphics layer XVideo XFree86 4.X has an extension called XVideo (aka Xvideo, aka Xv, aka xv) which allows video to be directly displayed in drawable objects through a special acceleration. This extension provides very good quality playback even on low-end machines (for example my PIII 400Mhz laptop). Unfortunately, the list of cards in which this feature is supported out of the box is currently: 3DFX Voodoo 3 Intel i810 and i815 some S3 chips (such as Savage/IX and Savage/MX) If your card is not one of these, do not be disappointed yet. XFree86 4.X adds new xv capabilities with each release A popular familiar graphics card with generally very good XFree86 performance, nVidia, has yet to release the specifications on their XVideo support to the XFree86 team. It may be some time before XFree86 fully support XVideo for these cards. . To check whether the extension is running, use xvinfo: &prompt.user; xvinfo XVideo is supported for your card if the result looks like: X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0 Adaptor #0: "Savage Streams Engine" number of ports: 1 port base: 43 operations supported: PutImage supported visuals: depth 16, visualID 0x22 depth 16, visualID 0x23 number of attributes: 5 "XV_COLORKEY" (range 0 to 16777215) client settable attribute client gettable attribute (current value is 2110) "XV_BRIGHTNESS" (range -128 to 127) client settable attribute client gettable attribute (current value is 0) "XV_CONTRAST" (range 0 to 255) client settable attribute client gettable attribute (current value is 128) "XV_SATURATION" (range 0 to 255) client settable attribute client gettable attribute (current value is 128) "XV_HUE" (range -180 to 180) client settable attribute client gettable attribute (current value is 0) maximum XvImage size: 1024 x 1024 Number of image formats: 7 id: 0x32595559 (YUY2) guid: 59555932-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71 bits per pixel: 16 number of planes: 1 type: YUV (packed) id: 0x32315659 (YV12) guid: 59563132-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71 bits per pixel: 12 number of planes: 3 type: YUV (planar) id: 0x30323449 (I420) guid: 49343230-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71 bits per pixel: 12 number of planes: 3 type: YUV (planar) id: 0x36315652 (RV16) guid: 52563135-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 bits per pixel: 16 number of planes: 1 type: RGB (packed) depth: 0 red, green, blue masks: 0x1f, 0x3e0, 0x7c00 id: 0x35315652 (RV15) guid: 52563136-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 bits per pixel: 16 number of planes: 1 type: RGB (packed) depth: 0 red, green, blue masks: 0x1f, 0x7e0, 0xf800 id: 0x31313259 (Y211) guid: 59323131-0000-0010-8000-00aa00389b71 bits per pixel: 6 number of planes: 3 type: YUV (packed) id: 0x0 guid: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 bits per pixel: 0 number of planes: 0 type: RGB (packed) depth: 1 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 Also note that the formats listed (YUV2, YUV12, etc) are not present with every implementation of Xvideo and their absense may hinder some players. If the result looks like: X-Video Extension version 2.2 screen #0 no adaptors present Then XVideo is probably not supported for your card. If XVideo is not supported for your card, this only means that it will be more difficult for your display to meet the computational demands of rendering video. Depending on your video card and processor, though, you might still be able to have a satisfying experience. You should probably read about ways of improving performance in the advanced reading . Simple Directmedia Layer The Simple Directmedia Layer, SDL, was intended to be a porting layers between Microsoft Windows, BeOS, and Unix, allowing cross-platform applications to be developed which made efficient use of sound and graphics. The SDL layer provides a low-level abstraction to the hardware which can sometimes be more efficient than the X11 interface. The SDL can be found at devel/sdl12 Direct Graphics Access Direct Graphics Access is an XFree86 extension which allows a program to bypass the X-server and directly alter the framebuffer. Because it relies on a low level memory mapping to effect this sharing, programs using it must must be run as root The DGA extension can be tested and benchmarked by &man.dga.1;. When dga is running, it changes the colors of the display whenever a key is pressed. To quit, use q. Ports and Packages Dealing with Video video ports video packages This section discusses the software available from the FreeBSD Ports Collection which can be used for video playback. Video playback is a very active area of software development, and the capabilities of various applications are bound to diverge somewhat from the descriptions given here. Firstly, it is important to know that most of the video applications which run on FreeBSD were developed as Linux applications, originating in the past year. For this reason, they are both very experimental and riddled with Linux-isms which might prevent them from working at full efficiency on FreeBSD. By experimental, I mean that you should expect re-encoders, players, and DVD decrypters to have some major bugs, or interoperability problems with other programs. Here is a short list of the sort of things I mean: An application cannot playback a file which another application produced. An application cannot playback a file which the application itself produced. The same application on two different machines, rebuilt on each machine for that machine, plays back the same file differently. A seemingly trivial filter like rescaling of the image size results in very bad artifacts from a buggy rescaling routine. An application always dumping core. Documentation is not installed with the port and can be found either on the web or under PORTPATH/work/ . By Linux-isms, I mean that there are some issues resulting from the way some standard libraries are implemented in the Linux distributions, or some features of the Linux kernel which have been assumed by the authors of the applications, because that is where the authors are primarily developing. These issues may not be noticed and worked around by the port maintainers which can lead to some problems like these: The use of /proc/cpuinfo to detect processor characteristics. A misuse of threads which causes a program to hang upon completion instead of truly terminating. Software not yet in the FreeBSD Ports Collection which is commonly used in conjunction with the application. So far, these application developers have been cooperative with port maintainers to minimize the work-arounds needed for port-ing. MPlayer MPlayer is a recently developed and rapidly developing video player. The goals of the MPlayer team are speed and flexibility on Linux and other Unices. The project was started when the team founder got fed up with bad playback performance on then available players. Some would say that interface has been sacrificed for streamlined design, but once you get used to the command line options and the key-stroke controls, it works very well. Building MPlayer mplayer making MPlayer resides in graphics/mplayer. MPlayer performs a variety of hardware checks during the build process, resulting in a binary which will not be portable from one system to another. Thus it is important to build it from ports and not to use a binary package. Additionally, a number of options can be specified in the make which echo at the start of the build. &prompt.root; cd /usr/ports/graphics/mplayer &prompt.root; make You can enable additional compilation optimizations by defining WITH_OPTIMIZED_CFLAGS You can enable GTK GUI by defining WITH_GUI. You can enable DVD support by defining WITH_DVD. You can enable SVGALIB support by defining WITH_SVGALIB. You can enable VORBIS sound support by defining WITH_VORBIS. You can enable XAnim DLL support by defining WITH_XANIM. If you have x11-toolkits/gtk12 installed, then you might as well enable the GUI. Otherwise, it is not worth the effort. If you intend to play (possibly CSS encoded) DVD's with MPlayer you must enable the DVD support option here Unauthorized DVD playback is a serious criminal act in some countries. Check local laws before enabling this option. . Some reasonable options are: &prompt.root; make WITH_DVD=yes WITH_SVGALIB=yes As of this writing, the MPlayer port will build its HTML documentation and one executable, mplayer. It can also be made to build an encoder, mencoder, which is a tool for re-encoding video. A modification to the Makefile can enable it. It may be enabled by default in subsequent versions of the port. The HTML documentation to MPlayer is very informative. If the reader finds the information on video hardware and interfaces in the chapter lacking, the MPlayer documentation is a very thorough alternative. You should definitely take the time to read the documentation of MPlayer, if you are looking for information about video support in UNIX. Using mplayer mplayer use Any user of mplayer must set up a .mplayer subdirectory directory of her home directory. To create this necessary subdirectory, you can do the following: &prompt.user; cd /usr/ports/graphics/mplayer &prompt.user; make install-user The command options for mplayer are listed in the manual page. For even more detail there is HTML documentation. In this section, we will give some of the common use cases. To play from file, such as testfile.avi through one of the various video interfaces set the : &prompt.user; mplayer -vo xv testfile.avi &prompt.user; mplayer -vo sdl testfile.avi &prompt.user; mplayer -vo x11 testfile.avi &prompt.root; mplayer -vo dga testfile.avi &prompt.root; mplayer -vo 'sdl:dga' testfile.avi It is worth trying all of these options, as their relative performance depends on many factors and will vary significantly with hardware. To play from a DVD, replace the testfile.avi with where <N> is the title number to play and DEVICE is the device file for the DVD-ROM. For example, to play title 3 from /dev/dvd: &prompt.root; mplayer -vo dga -dvd 2 /dev/dvd To stop, pause, advance and so on, consult the keybindings, which are output by running mplayer -h or read the manual page. Additional important options for playback are: which engages the fullscreen mode and which helps performance. In order for the mplayer command line to not become too large, the user can create a file .mplayer/config and set default options there: vo=xv fs=yes zoom=yes Finally, mplayer can be used to rip a DVD title into a .vob file. To dump out title 2 from a DVD: &prompt.root; mplayer -dumpstream -dumpfile out.vob -dvd 2 /dev/dvd The output file, out.vob, will be MPEG and can be manipulated by the other packages described in this section. mencoder mencoder If you opt to install mencoder when you build, be forewarned that it is still quite experimental. To use mencoder it is a good idea to familiarize yourself with the options from the HTML documentation. There is a manual page, but it is not very useful without the HTML. There are innummerable ways to improve quality, lower bitrate, and change formats, and some of these tricks may make the difference between good or bad performance. Here are a couple of examples to get you going. First a simple copy: &prompt.user; mencoder input.avi -oac copy -ovc copy -o output.avi It is easy to find examples where the output is unplayable even by mplayer. Thus, if you just want to rip to a file, stick to the in mplayer. To convert input.avi to the MPEG4 codec with MPEG3 audio encoding (audio/lame is required): &prompt.user; mencoder input.avi -oac mp3lame -lameopts br=192 \ -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq -o output.avi This has produced output playable by mplayer and Xine. input.avi can be replaced with and run as root to re-encode a DVD title directly. Since you are likely to be dissatisfied with your results the first time around, it is recommended you dump the title to a file and work on the file. Xine Xine is a project of wide scope aiming not only at being an all in one video solution, but also in producing a reusable base library and a modular executable which can be extended with plugins. It comes both as a package and as a port, graphics/xine. The good news is that the above is pretty much true. Xine is still very rough around the edges, but it is clearly off to a good start. In practice, Xine requires either a fast CPU with a fast video card, or support for the XVideo extension. The GUI is usable, but a bit clumsy. As of this writing, there is no input module shipped with Xine which will play CSS encoded DVD's. There are third party builds which do have modules for this built in them, but none of these are in the FreeBSD Ports Collection. Compared to MPlayer, Xine does more for the user, but at the same time, takes some of the more fine-grained control away from the user. Xine also may perform much worse on the non-XVideo interfaces and has very few good alternatives to it. The Xine FAQ highly recommends that you have a video card which supports it. Xine can be started by itself: &prompt.user; xine The menus can then be used to open a file, or it can be started to play a file immediately without the GUI with the command: &prompt.user; xine -g -p mymovie.avi Transcode Transcode is not a player, but a suite of tools for re-encoding .avi and .mpg files. With Transcode, one has the ability to merge video files, repair broken files, using command line tools with stdin/stdout stream interfaces. Like MPlayer, Transcode is very experimental software which must be build from the port graphics/transcode. Using a great many options to the make command. I recommend: &prompt.root; make WITH_LIBMPEG2=yes If you plan to install graphics/avifile, then add the WITH_AVIFILE option to your make command line, as shown here: &prompt.root; make WITH_AVIFILE=yes WITH_LIBMPEG2=yes Here are two examples of using transcode for video conversion which produce rescaled output. The first encodes the output to an openDIVX AVI file, while the second encodes to the much more portable MPEG format. &prompt.user; transcode -i input.vob -x vob -V -Z 320x240 \ -y opendivx -N 0x55 -o output.avi &prompt.user; transcode -i input.vob -x vob -V -Z 320x240 \ -y mpeg -N 0x55 -o output.tmp &prompt.user; tcmplex -o output.mpg -i output.tmp.m1v -p output.tmp.mpa -m 1 There is a manual page for transcode, but for the various tc* utilities (such as tcmplex) which are also installed, there is only a curt output. In comparison, transcode runs significantly slower than mencoder, but it has a better chance of producing a more widely playable file. I can play transcode MPEGs on older copies of Windows Media Player and Apple's Quicktime, for example. Further Reading I have no doubt that within a year, much that is in this chapter will be out of date. Video will probably be much less problematic to get working well and a port will be in the collection which turns a FreeBSD system into a DVD-playing, PVR, and virtual A/V studio. Until that day arrives, those who want to get the very most out of FreeBSD's A/V capabilities will have to cobble together knowledge from several FAQs and tutorials and use a few different applications. This section exists to give the reader some links to learn more in case this chapter was just helpful enough. The MPlayer documentation is very technically informative. These documents should probably be consulted by anyone wishing to obtain a high level of expertise with Unix video. The MPlayer mailing list is hostile to anyone who has not bothered to read the documentation, so if you plan on making bug reports to them, RTFM. The Xine HOWTO contains a chapter on performance improvement which is general to all players. Finally, there are some other promising applications which the reader may try: AVIFile which is also a port graphics/avifile. Ogle which is also a port graphics/ogle. 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WHO ARE WE? 2. THE GENERATOR 3. THIRD PARTY : TRACKCARD 4. BRILLIANT INTERNET RESERVATIONS 5. AWARD SOPHO CERTIFICATION 2001 6. CITADEL HOSPITALITY AUTOMATION CELEBRATES 10 YEARS ANNIVERSARY 7. WELCOME BREAK LTD. INSTALLS CITADEL SOFTWARE 8. CITADEL INTRODUCES NEW BRILLIANT PMS 2002 9. CITADEL IN SOUND AND MOTION ----------------------------------------------------------------- WHO ARE WE? ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you want to meet high demands you have to be able to offer the best, 24 hours a day7 days a week. Top quality is distinct through reliability, just as you can rely on all products of Citadel Hospitality Automation [ http://www.imakenews.com/eletra/go.cfm?z=citadelen%2C17880%2C7131526%2C24934%2C158959 ]. Our customers rate our products as extremely stabile and reliable. This fact in itself is not remarkable because we invest a lot of time in Research and Development of our products. Users of our products profit from this through interfaces with 3rd party products. For example, integration to Microsoft Office and external systems like PABX, Call Accounting, Keycard, PayTV etc. User friendliness of the user interface is also a key element of our products. This makes the overall process easier and reduces errors. FULL STORY: http://www.imakenews.com/citadelen/e_article000064815.cfm?x=158959,7131526 ----------------------------------------------------------------- THE GENERATOR ----------------------------------------------------------------- With over 800 beds, The Generator [ http://www.imakenews.com/eletra/go.cfm?z=citadelen%2C17880%2C7131526%2C26797%2C158959 ] is one of Europe's largest hostels, and caters for all young travelers, from student groups to backpackers. Citadel Hospitality Automation [ http://www.imakenews.com/eletra/go.cfm?z=citadelen%2C17880%2C7131526%2C24934%2C158959 ]: - The Brilliant PMS, for the reservations, invoices, accounts receivables, reports, allotments, confirmation letters. 15 Computers can access Brilliant PMS at the same time. - The Brilliant Touch POS, for the F&B department. 3 EPOS terminals will be installed. All of them are integrated within the Brilliant PMS software. - Brilliant Internet Reservations. (For more infosee article below) ----------------------------------------------------------------- THIRD PARTY : TRACKCARD ----------------------------------------------------------------- With each newsletter we encourage our business partners the opportunity to write an article about themselves. Normally these business partners are vendors that supply hotel or resort products that Brilliant interfaces with. Telephone, Pay TV, Vending, Key Card, Accounting are examples of systems which can be interfaced with the Citadel software. This month the featured firm is Trackcard: TRACKCARD together with Citadel could eliminate all cash handling in your hotel. How often are hotel serving staff looking for small change, looking up prices, making mistakes with money and wasting time handling, counting and balancing cash. Even if a bar-tab is posted to a room, can you be sure that the room details are correct or that the slip does not get lost or forgotten along the way? With the introduction of a TRACKCARD, a cash-less payment system, your hotel guests could use their door-key cards to purchase goods and services efficiently and securely. Citadel Hospitality Automation have a special interface for their Property Management System that enables cash-less sales made via the TRACKCARD system to be instantaneously posted to the relevant room account. This is an example of the innovative attitude that Citadel have towards "Complete Solution" philosophies for their clients. FULL STORY: http://www.imakenews.com/citadelen/e_article000079057.cfm?x=158959,7131526 ----------------------------------------------------------------- BRILLIANT INTERNET RESERVATIONS ----------------------------------------------------------------- You can now receive reservations directly into Brilliant PMS. Through an online module the availability is automatically checked. Guests can choose different room types at different rates. This module is compatible with Brilliant version 783 and higher. FULL STORY: http://www.imakenews.com/citadelen/e_article000079038.cfm?x=158959,7131526 ----------------------------------------------------------------- AWARD SOPHO CERTIFICATION 2001 ----------------------------------------------------------------- One of the products that were awarded SOPHO Certification in 2001 was Citadel Brilliant Property Management Suite, which is provided by Netherlands-based Citadel Hospitality Automation. In the hospitality sector it's common practice for a hotel to link its PBX with what's generally referred as a Property Management System (PMS) - an automated administration system that takes care of things like cost accounting, registering room status, message handling and wake-up calls. Certification of Brilliant is a recognition of the excellent, proven interface and integration it forms with the SOPHO PBX via PBC's SOPHO SysManager. PBC and Citadel Hospitality Automation see the certification of Brilliant as confirmation of the excellent co-operation between the two, benefiting their mutual clients. Source: Sophoshare magazine I4/I (the house magazine of Philips Business Communications) ----------------------------------------------------------------- CITADEL HOSPITALITY AUTOMATION CELEBRATES 10 YEARS ANNIVERSARY ----------------------------------------------------------------- It has now been 10 years that citadel has been providing a world classs solutions for the hospitality industry. Although founded in the USA thecorporate head officeis still based in Veenendal. During the preceding decade Citadel Hospitality Automation has become the supplier of hotel software in more than 1500 properties around the world. FULL STORY: http://www.imakenews.com/citadelen/e_article000073223.cfm?x=158959,7131526 ----------------------------------------------------------------- WELCOME BREAK LTD. INSTALLS CITADEL SOFTWARE Brilliant Front Office in 202-room Days Inn ----------------------------------------------------------------- Welcome Break Group Ltd., the UK's largest motorway service area provider, will install Brilliant Front Office in its 22nd Days Inn property at London Gateway. This property is along the motorway to London and is full serviced with 202 bedrooms and also facilitates conference rooms. All other properties have already been operational with Brilliant Front Office since 2000. FULL STORY: http://www.imakenews.com/citadelen/e_article000066029.cfm?x=158959,7131526 ----------------------------------------------------------------- CITADEL INTRODUCES NEW BRILLIANT PMS 2002 New PMS also affordable for smaller properties!! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Citadel Hospitality Automation, solution provider for the hospitality market, announced this week the release of their new Property Management System, Brilliant PMS 2002. 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    With over 800 beds, The Generator is one of Europe's largest hostels, and caters for all young travelers, from student groups to backpackers.

    The Generator has chosen for the complete solution of Citadel Hospitality Automation:
    - The Brilliant PMS, for the reservations, invoices, accounts receivables, reports, allotments, confirmation letters. 15 Computers can access Brilliant PMS at the same time.
    - The Brilliant Touch POS, for the F&B department. 3 EPOS terminals will be installed. All of them are integrated within the Brilliant PMS software.
    - Brilliant Internet Reservations. (For more info see article below)

     
    Third Party : TRACKCARD
    Citadel interface with Trackcard With each newsletter we encourage our business partners the opportunity to write an article about themselves. Normally these business partners are vendors that supply hotel or resort products that Brilliant interfaces with. Telephone, Pay TV, Vending, Key Card, Accounting are examples of systems which can be interfaced with the Citadel software. This month the featured firm is Trackcard:

    TRACKCARD together with Citadel could eliminate all cash handling in your hotel.
    How often are hotel serving staff looking for small change, looking up prices, making mistakes with money and wasting time handling, counting and balancing cash.
    Even if a bar-tab is posted to a room, can you be sure that the room details are correct or that the slip does not get lost or forgotten along the way?
    With the introduction of a TRACKCARD, a cash-less payment system, your hotel guests could use their door-key cards to purchase goods and services efficiently and securely.
    Citadel Hospitality Automation have a special interface for their Property Management System that enables cash-less sales made via the TRACKCARD system to be instantaneously posted to the relevant room account.
    This is an example of the innovative attitude that Citadel have towards "Complete Solution" philosophies for their clients.

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    Brilliant Internet Reservations
    You can now receive reservations directly into Brilliant PMS. Through an online module the availability is automatically checked. Guests can choose different room types at different rates. This module is compatible with Brilliant version 783 and higher.
    [FULL STORY]
     
    Award SOPHO Certification 2001

    One of the products that were awarded SOPHO Certification in 2001 was Citadel Brilliant Property Management Suite, which is provided by Netherlands-based Citadel Hospitality Automation. In the hospitality sector it's common practice for a hotel to link its PBX with what's generally referred as a Property Management System (PMS) - an automated administration system that takes care of things like cost accounting, registering room status, message handling and wake-up calls. Certification of Brilliant is a recognition of the excellent, proven interface and integration it forms with the SOPHO PBX via PBC's SOPHO SysManager. PBC and Citadel Hospitality Automation see the certification of Brilliant as confirmation of the excellent co-operation between the two, benefiting their mutual clients.

    Source: Sophoshare magazine I4/I (the house magazine of Philips Business Communications)


     
    Citadel Hospitality Automation celebrates 10 years anniversary

    It has now been 10 years that citadel has been providing a world classs solutions for the hospitality industry.  Although founded in the USA the corporate head office is still based in Veenendal.  During the preceding decade Citadel Hospitality Automation has become the supplier of hotel software in more than 1500 properties around the world.


    [FULL STORY]
     
    Welcome Break Ltd. installs Citadel software
    Brilliant Front Office in 202-room Days Inn

    Welcome Break Group Ltd., the UK's largest motorway service area provider, will install Brilliant Front Office in its 22nd Days Inn property at London Gateway. This property is along the motorway to London and is full serviced with 202 bedrooms and also facilitates conference rooms. All other properties have already been operational with Brilliant Front Office since 2000.
    [FULL STORY]
     
    Citadel introduces new Brilliant PMS 2002
    New PMS also affordable for smaller properties!!

    Citadel Hospitality Automation, solution provider for the hospitality market, announced this week the release of their new Property Management System, Brilliant PMS 2002. Brilliant PMS 2002 will be installed at several pilot sites in the Netherlands.
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    ------------=_1026981432-735-4-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 18 4: 6:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050A137B400 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 04:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chang.imakenews.com (mailservice3.imakenews.com [208.254.39.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE6C43E64 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 04:03:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uk@citadelen.imakenews.net) Received: by chang.imakenews.com (PowerMTA(TM) v1.5); Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:53:29 -0400 (envelope-from ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1026981432-735-4"; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 04:37:12 -0400 From: "Citadel Hospitality Automation" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <735$1026981432$citadelen$7201985@imakenews.net> Reply-To: "Citadel Hospitality Automation" Subject: Citadel Newsletter To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Imn: citadelen,158959,7201985,0 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1026981432-735-4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To view this newsletter in full-color, click here: http://www.imakenews.com/citadelen/index000017880.cfm?x=158959,7201985 Citadel Newsletter Offices in: USA /Canada, United Kingdom, Germany, Corporate & Europe: The Netherlands ----------------------------------------------------------------- July 18, 2002 ----------------------------------------------------------------- IN THIS ISSUE ----------------------------------------------------------------- 1. WHO ARE WE? 2. THE GENERATOR 3. THIRD PARTY : TRACKCARD 4. BRILLIANT INTERNET RESERVATIONS 5. AWARD SOPHO CERTIFICATION 2001 6. CITADEL HOSPITALITY AUTOMATION CELEBRATES 10 YEARS ANNIVERSARY 7. WELCOME BREAK LTD. INSTALLS CITADEL SOFTWARE 8. CITADEL INTRODUCES NEW BRILLIANT PMS 2002 9. CITADEL IN SOUND AND MOTION ----------------------------------------------------------------- WHO ARE WE? ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you want to meet high demands you have to be able to offer the best, 24 hours a day7 days a week. Top quality is distinct through reliability, just as you can rely on all products of Citadel Hospitality Automation [ http://www.imakenews.com/eletra/go.cfm?z=citadelen%2C17880%2C7201985%2C24934%2C158959 ]. Our customers rate our products as extremely stabile and reliable. This fact in itself is not remarkable because we invest a lot of time in Research and Development of our products. Users of our products profit from this through interfaces with 3rd party products. For example, integration to Microsoft Office and external systems like PABX, Call Accounting, Keycard, PayTV etc. User friendliness of the user interface is also a key element of our products. This makes the overall process easier and reduces errors. FULL STORY: http://www.imakenews.com/citadelen/e_article000064815.cfm?x=158959,7201985 ----------------------------------------------------------------- THE GENERATOR ----------------------------------------------------------------- With over 800 beds, The Generator [ http://www.imakenews.com/eletra/go.cfm?z=citadelen%2C17880%2C7201985%2C26797%2C158959 ] is one of Europe's largest hostels, and caters for all young travelers, from student groups to backpackers. Citadel Hospitality Automation [ http://www.imakenews.com/eletra/go.cfm?z=citadelen%2C17880%2C7201985%2C24934%2C158959 ]: - The Brilliant PMS, for the reservations, invoices, accounts receivables, reports, allotments, confirmation letters. 15 Computers can access Brilliant PMS at the same time. - The Brilliant Touch POS, for the F&B department. 3 EPOS terminals will be installed. All of them are integrated within the Brilliant PMS software. - Brilliant Internet Reservations. (For more infosee article below) ----------------------------------------------------------------- THIRD PARTY : TRACKCARD ----------------------------------------------------------------- With each newsletter we encourage our business partners the opportunity to write an article about themselves. Normally these business partners are vendors that supply hotel or resort products that Brilliant interfaces with. Telephone, Pay TV, Vending, Key Card, Accounting are examples of systems which can be interfaced with the Citadel software. This month the featured firm is Trackcard: TRACKCARD together with Citadel could eliminate all cash handling in your hotel. How often are hotel serving staff looking for small change, looking up prices, making mistakes with money and wasting time handling, counting and balancing cash. Even if a bar-tab is posted to a room, can you be sure that the room details are correct or that the slip does not get lost or forgotten along the way? With the introduction of a TRACKCARD, a cash-less payment system, your hotel guests could use their door-key cards to purchase goods and services efficiently and securely. Citadel Hospitality Automation have a special interface for their Property Management System that enables cash-less sales made via the TRACKCARD system to be instantaneously posted to the relevant room account. This is an example of the innovative attitude that Citadel have towards "Complete Solution" philosophies for their clients. FULL STORY: http://www.imakenews.com/citadelen/e_article000079057.cfm?x=158959,7201985 ----------------------------------------------------------------- BRILLIANT INTERNET RESERVATIONS ----------------------------------------------------------------- You can now receive reservations directly into Brilliant PMS. Through an online module the availability is automatically checked. Guests can choose different room types at different rates. This module is compatible with Brilliant version 783 and higher. FULL STORY: http://www.imakenews.com/citadelen/e_article000079038.cfm?x=158959,7201985 ----------------------------------------------------------------- AWARD SOPHO CERTIFICATION 2001 ----------------------------------------------------------------- One of the products that were awarded SOPHO Certification in 2001 was Citadel Brilliant Property Management Suite, which is provided by Netherlands-based Citadel Hospitality Automation. In the hospitality sector it's common practice for a hotel to link its PBX with what's generally referred as a Property Management System (PMS) - an automated administration system that takes care of things like cost accounting, registering room status, message handling and wake-up calls. Certification of Brilliant is a recognition of the excellent, proven interface and integration it forms with the SOPHO PBX via PBC's SOPHO SysManager. PBC and Citadel Hospitality Automation see the certification of Brilliant as confirmation of the excellent co-operation between the two, benefiting their mutual clients. Source: Sophoshare magazine I4/I (the house magazine of Philips Business Communications) ----------------------------------------------------------------- CITADEL HOSPITALITY AUTOMATION CELEBRATES 10 YEARS ANNIVERSARY ----------------------------------------------------------------- It has now been 10 years that citadel has been providing a world classs solutions for the hospitality industry. Although founded in the USA thecorporate head officeis still based in Veenendal. During the preceding decade Citadel Hospitality Automation has become the supplier of hotel software in more than 1500 properties around the world. FULL STORY: http://www.imakenews.com/citadelen/e_article000073223.cfm?x=158959,7201985 ----------------------------------------------------------------- WELCOME BREAK LTD. INSTALLS CITADEL SOFTWARE Brilliant Front Office in 202-room Days Inn ----------------------------------------------------------------- Welcome Break Group Ltd., the UK's largest motorway service area provider, will install Brilliant Front Office in its 22nd Days Inn property at London Gateway. This property is along the motorway to London and is full serviced with 202 bedrooms and also facilitates conference rooms. All other properties have already been operational with Brilliant Front Office since 2000. FULL STORY: http://www.imakenews.com/citadelen/e_article000066029.cfm?x=158959,7201985 ----------------------------------------------------------------- CITADEL INTRODUCES NEW BRILLIANT PMS 2002 New PMS also affordable for smaller properties!! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Citadel Hospitality Automation, solution provider for the hospitality market, announced this week the release of their new Property Management System, Brilliant PMS 2002. 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    If you want to meet high demands you have to be able to offer the best, 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Top quality is distinct through reliability, just as you can rely on all products of Citadel Hospitality Automation. Our customers rate our products as extremely stabile and reliable. This fact in itself is not remarkable because we invest a lot of time in Research and Development of our products. Users of our products profit from this through interfaces with 3rd party products. For example, integration to Microsoft Office and external systems like PABX, Call Accounting, Keycard, PayTV etc. User friendliness of the user interface is also a key element of our products. This makes the overall process easier and reduces errors.
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    The Generator
    With over 800 beds, The Generator is one of Europe's largest hostels, and caters for all young travelers, from student groups to backpackers.

    The Generator has chosen for the complete solution of Citadel Hospitality Automation:
    - The Brilliant PMS, for the reservations, invoices, accounts receivables, reports, allotments, confirmation letters. 15 Computers can access Brilliant PMS at the same time.
    - The Brilliant Touch POS, for the F&B department. 3 EPOS terminals will be installed. All of them are integrated within the Brilliant PMS software.
    - Brilliant Internet Reservations. (For more info see article below)

     
    Third Party : TRACKCARD
    Citadel interface with Trackcard With each newsletter we encourage our business partners the opportunity to write an article about themselves. Normally these business partners are vendors that supply hotel or resort products that Brilliant interfaces with. Telephone, Pay TV, Vending, Key Card, Accounting are examples of systems which can be interfaced with the Citadel software. This month the featured firm is Trackcard:

    TRACKCARD together with Citadel could eliminate all cash handling in your hotel.
    How often are hotel serving staff looking for small change, looking up prices, making mistakes with money and wasting time handling, counting and balancing cash.
    Even if a bar-tab is posted to a room, can you be sure that the room details are correct or that the slip does not get lost or forgotten along the way?
    With the introduction of a TRACKCARD, a cash-less payment system, your hotel guests could use their door-key cards to purchase goods and services efficiently and securely.
    Citadel Hospitality Automation have a special interface for their Property Management System that enables cash-less sales made via the TRACKCARD system to be instantaneously posted to the relevant room account.
    This is an example of the innovative attitude that Citadel have towards "Complete Solution" philosophies for their clients.

    [FULL STORY]
     
    Brilliant Internet Reservations
    You can now receive reservations directly into Brilliant PMS. Through an online module the availability is automatically checked. Guests can choose different room types at different rates. This module is compatible with Brilliant version 783 and higher.
    [FULL STORY]
     
    Award SOPHO Certification 2001

    One of the products that were awarded SOPHO Certification in 2001 was Citadel Brilliant Property Management Suite, which is provided by Netherlands-based Citadel Hospitality Automation. In the hospitality sector it's common practice for a hotel to link its PBX with what's generally referred as a Property Management System (PMS) - an automated administration system that takes care of things like cost accounting, registering room status, message handling and wake-up calls. Certification of Brilliant is a recognition of the excellent, proven interface and integration it forms with the SOPHO PBX via PBC's SOPHO SysManager. PBC and Citadel Hospitality Automation see the certification of Brilliant as confirmation of the excellent co-operation between the two, benefiting their mutual clients.

    Source: Sophoshare magazine I4/I (the house magazine of Philips Business Communications)


     
    Citadel Hospitality Automation celebrates 10 years anniversary

    It has now been 10 years that citadel has been providing a world classs solutions for the hospitality industry.  Although founded in the USA the corporate head office is still based in Veenendal.  During the preceding decade Citadel Hospitality Automation has become the supplier of hotel software in more than 1500 properties around the world.


    [FULL STORY]
     
    Welcome Break Ltd. installs Citadel software
    Brilliant Front Office in 202-room Days Inn

    Welcome Break Group Ltd., the UK's largest motorway service area provider, will install Brilliant Front Office in its 22nd Days Inn property at London Gateway. This property is along the motorway to London and is full serviced with 202 bedrooms and also facilitates conference rooms. All other properties have already been operational with Brilliant Front Office since 2000.
    [FULL STORY]
     
    Citadel introduces new Brilliant PMS 2002
    New PMS also affordable for smaller properties!!

    Citadel Hospitality Automation, solution provider for the hospitality market, announced this week the release of their new Property Management System, Brilliant PMS 2002. Brilliant PMS 2002 will be installed at several pilot sites in the Netherlands.
    [FULL STORY]
     
    Citadel in sound and motion
    Demo CD Be sure to experience Citadel Hospitality Automation and all our software products in sound and motion. On our CD you will also find a fully functional demo version of Brilliant PMS.

    Order cd!

     
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Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 40739 >Category: docs >Synopsis: handbook/mirrors/chapter.sgml FTP Mirrors Section outdated. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jul 18 12:00:07 PDT 2002 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Tilman Linneweh >Release: FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE i386 >Organization: Vienna University of Technology >Environment: System: FreeBSD tl.kom.tuwien.ac.at 4.6-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 4.6-PRERELEASE #1: Fri May 3 16:38:54 CEST 2002 tilman@tl.kom.tuwien.ac.at:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL i386 >Description: The Section about ftp Mirrors is outdated. 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(v1.52f) Business X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:36:37 +0400 Message-Id: X-Envelope-To: freeagle@mail.ru, freeal@anitex.by, freebird@aha.ru, freebiz4u@aol.com, freebooter@frog.ru, freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-mke-l-request@ns.sol.net Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org фТБОУРПТФОП-ЬЛУРЕДЙГЙПООБС УМХЦВБ уфймш фтбоу рТЙЗМБЫБЕФ Л УПФТХДОЙЮЕУФЧХ Й РТЕДМБЗБЕФ РТПЖЕУУЙПОБМШОХА РПНПЭШ РП ПФРТБЧЛЕ чБЫЙИ ЗТХЪПЧ ЙЪ нПУЛЧЩ Ц. Д. ФТБОУРПТФПН ЧП ЧУЕ ЗПТПДБ тж РПЮФПЧП-ВБЗБЦОЩНЙ ЧБЗПОБНЙ. 3, 5, 20 ФПООЩНЙ ЛПОФЕКОЕТБНЙ, РПЧБЗПООЩНЙ ПФРТБЧЛБНЙ РП тПУУЙЙ Й уоз. бЧФПРЕТЕЧПЪЛЙ ЕЧТПЖХТБНЙ 82Н3 120Н3. хУМХЗБ БЧЙБРЕТЕЧПЪПЛ: РП тПУУЙЙ Й уоз, ДПУФБЧЛБ ЙЪ еЧТПРЩ Й ДПУФБЧЛБ Ч ДБМШОЕЕ ЪБТХВЕЦШЕ. - уПВЕТЕН ЗТХЪЩ РП нПУЛЧЕ Й нПУЛПЧУЛПК ПВМБУФЙ Й ДПУФБЧЙН ЙИ Ч МАВПК ЗПТПД тж. - хЛПНРМЕЛФХЕН Й ХРБЛХЕН ЗТХЪ, РПДЗПФПЧЙН ЕЗП Л ПФРТБЧЛЕ. - ъБУФТБИХЕН ЗТХЪ Ч ОБДЕЦОЩИ УФТБИПЧЩИ ЛПНРБОЙСИ. - рП чБЫЕНХ РПТХЮЕОЙА РТЙНЕН ЗТХЪ Й ДПУФБЧЙН ЕЗП ЗТХЪПРПМХЮБФЕМА Ч нПУЛЧЕ Й нПУЛПЧУЛПК ПВМБУФЙ. - рТЕДПУФБЧЙН ПИТБОСЕНЩК УЛМБД ДМС ИТБОЕОЙС Й ОБЛПРМЕОЙС ЗТХЪПЧ. - рПМХЮЙН ФТБОЪЙФОЩК ЗТХЪ Ч нПУЛЧЕ Й ПФРТБЧЙН ЕЗП Ч МАВПК ЗПТПД тж. - рТЕДПУФБЧЙН ФБНПЦЕООЩЕ ХУМХЗЙ (ЬЛУРПТФ, ЙНРПТФ, ФТБОЪЙФ). - пВЕУРЕЮЙН МШЗПФОЩК ФБНПЦЕООЩК УВПТ ОБ ПДЕЦДХ, ПВХЧШ Ч Ф. Ю. УЕЛЕОД-ИЕОД. - тБЪТБВПФБЕН ПРФЙНБМШОЩЕ ФТБОУРПТФОЩЕ УИЕНЩ РЕТЕЧПЪПЛ ЗТХЪПЧ. - пФРТБЧЙН чБЫ ЗТХЪ ЛПОФЕКОЕТБНЙ Й РПЮФПЧП-ВБЗБЦОЩНЙ ЧБЗПОБНЙ Ч УФТБОЩ уоз. - рПМХЮЙН Й ПФРТБЧЙН чБЫЙ ЗТХЪЩ ВЕЪ ЛБТФПЮЛЙ ЧОЕЫОЕЬЛПОПНЙЮЕУЛПК ДЕСФЕМШОПУФЙ (чьд) ЛМЙЕОФБ. - пФРТБЧЙН чБЫ ЗТХЪ (ПФ 500 ЛЗ.) Ч УПУФБЧЕ УВПТОПЗП ЗТХЪБ ЙЪ еЧТПРЩ БЧФПФТБОУРПТФПН. - вХДЕН чБЫЙН РТЕДУФБЧЙФЕМЕН Ч З. нПУЛЧЕ РП ТЕБМЙЪБГЙЙ Й РТПДЧЙЦЕОЙА ОБ ТЩОЛЕ чБЫЕК РТПДХЛГЙЙ (ЙНЕЕН ПЖЙУ, УЛМБД, ПТЗФЕИОЙЛХ). оБЫ УЛМБД Й ПЖЙУ ТБУРПМПЦЕОЩ Ч ХДПВОПН НЕУФЕ, ТСДПН УП УФБОГЙЕК НЕФТП ьМЕЛФТПЪБЧПДУЛБС. чБН ПФЧЕФСФ ОБ МАВЩЕ ЧПРТПУЩ: фЕМ./ЖБЛУ 360-38-51 ФЕМ. 369-46-37, 369-46-14 E-mail: strans@cityline.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 18 15:41: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E363237B400 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crf-consulting.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1432343E5E for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 15:41:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Received: from clan.crf-consulting.co.uk (clan.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.20]) by crf-consulting.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6IMcopV078711 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:38:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@freebsd.org) Received: from clan.crf-consulting.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g6HJjees041643; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:45:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@clan.crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by clan.crf-consulting.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g6HJjdLs041642; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:45:39 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 20:45:39 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Sulaiman Khan Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: installing BSD Message-ID: <20020717194539.GA41594@clan.crf-consulting.co.uk> References: <20020716054451.83614.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020716054451.83614.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 10:44:51PM -0700, Sulaiman Khan wrote: > CD-Rom or network=20 >=20 > can't i download it to my hard-disk and than install - Start at chapter 2 of the Handbook. Read down to section 2.2.6. Skip to section 2.13. Read down to section 2.13.4. Jump back to section 2.2.7, and continue reading. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj01yWMACgkQk6gHZCw343Xv7gCcDcBqruTfQhAJdZowD86nIP92 rqEAnAtWubCaXsyzKOJ9W+Vm/o+kS2IB =DjkO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 18 19:37:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1572537B400 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6481743E4A for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:37:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmika@worldnet.att.net) Received: from richardm ([12.76.226.41]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020719023739.LPBJ19092.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@richardm>; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:37:39 +0000 Message-ID: <006901c22ece$22838320$29e24c0c@richardm> From: "Richard Mika" To: Cc: "StoreAnyWhere" Subject: Samsung 151s SyncMaster LCD monitor Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:43:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01C22EA4.33EC65C0" X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C22EA4.33EC65C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have 1.4GHz MSI MS-6378 ATX motherboard with integrated 8MB video. 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    ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C22EA4.33EC65C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 18 19:42:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CFDE37B400 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7645643E64 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:42:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020719024210.RTAV6023.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 02:42:10 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g6J2g5eU006806; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:42:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g6J2g5i9006805; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200207190242.g6J2g5i9006805@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20020506 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Richard Mika" Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, "StoreAnyWhere" Subject: Re: Samsung 151s SyncMaster LCD monitor In-Reply-To: <006901c22ece$22838320$29e24c0c@richardm> References: <006901c22ece$22838320$29e24c0c@richardm> Comments: In-reply-to "Richard Mika" message dated "Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:43:49 -0500." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_9754759P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:42:05 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_9754759P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, "Richard Mika" wrote: > I have 1.4GHz MSI MS-6378 ATX motherboard with integrated 8MB video. Why = > the monitor does not work on X-Windows system (freeBSD Unix) where any = > other does. The vendor does not respond. Hi Richard-- This mailing list is for discussions about writing documentation for FreeBSD. You can probably get a better response to your question by posting a message to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. Be sure to give as many details as you can (in addition to the above, please state what version of FreeBSD and XFree86 you are installing, what kind of monitor you have, and the *exact* actions you took and symptoms you are experiencing, including error messages, if any). Good luck! Bruce. --==_Exmh_9754759P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5+ 20020506 iD8DBQE9N3x92MoxcVugUsMRAo6dAKDQMdovtqbKmZ/qFBxBHrJMe4XRwwCg3edN GyxcCayxWrOGLaytfAfULps= =JN3Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_9754759P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 18 23:13:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9DEB37B400 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com (mailout04.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3233F43E5E for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:13:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@linden.homeunix.net) Received: from fwd09.sul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17VR1T-00026J-04; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:13:51 +0200 Received: from linden.homeunix.net (520006975817-0001@[217.227.93.52]) by fmrl09.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 17VR1J-0aXItkC; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:13:41 +0200 Received: by linden.homeunix.net (Postfix, from userid 8000) id 3557352FA0; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 06:13:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from none.net (sat.none.net [192.168.100.10]) by linden.homeunix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8974E52F92 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 06:13:26 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <3D37CAE8.6010205@none.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:16:40 +0000 From: Tom Hensel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.1a+) Gecko/20020716 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: http://www.marcuscom.com/g2g-xfree86/article.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-100.0 required=6.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: X-Sender: 520006975817-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, it works like a charm on my toshiba 3000-214 (-514) with a GeForce 2 GO. i used the driver from http://nvidia.netexplorer.org/download.html beforce, it also worked with its known limitiations. i haven't benchmarked it, but it seems to me that the old driver is faster, transparent aterms or aterms updated their background quicker. anyway, thanks a lot for very stable feature-complete driver!! are there any newer patches available via cvs or anywhere? thanks, TOM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 19 4:25:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6628837B400 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE0143E31 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:25:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA16793 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:25:23 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id EAA13426; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200207191125.EAA13426@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: [MAILER-DAEMON@eskimo.com: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: ibm.net: no data known)] Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Apparently the maintainer of the PPP primer has changed addresses or something. I found his use of 127.x.x.x addr's to be a source of trouble on 4.6 and I wanted to tell him so. OK, well a formal doc-pr I guess will follow. -r ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:22:54 -0700 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="EAA15916.1027077774/mx1.eskimo.com" Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: ibm.net: no data known) Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) The original message was received at Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:22:54 -0700 from ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: ibm.net: no data known) Press C-c C-c here for "message/delivery-status" data Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:22:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Ross Lippert To: sims@ibm.net Subject: P PPP P Hi, FreeBSD recently made 127.x.x.x addresses entirely local in order to comply with some RFC someone found as well as some firewall software users wanted to use. The issue was that traffic to 127.x.x.x addr's should not leave the machine ever. This makes the 127.x.x.x numbers very bad to use as bogus addr's in the PPP primer. I just tried out PPP with a conf in which set ifaddr 127.1.1.1/0 127.2.2.2/0 255.255.255.0 add 0 0 127.2.2.2 and got some very nasty messages about routes already existing and other weirdness when I tried using PPP. The dialup connection would occur, but I could not ping anything, even by IP addr. I changed the lines to set ifaddr 10.1.1.127/0 10.2.2.127/0 255.255.255.0 add 0 0 10.2.2.127 And everything worked fine. I think your primer needs to use better fake addr's. If you want me to write a formal PR for this I will. Or if you no longer maintain the PPP primer, I'll see what I can do to get something committed. BTW PPPPP was an excellent resource when I was first setting up my home network. Thanks. - -r  -=- MIME -=-  This is a MIME-encapsulated message --EAA15916.1027077774/mx1.eskimo.com The original message was received at Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:22:54 -0700 from ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: ibm.net: no data known) --EAA15916.1027077774/mx1.eskimo.com Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; mx1.eskimo.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; eskimo.com Arrival-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:22:54 -0700 Final-Recipient: RFC822; sims@ibm.net Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; ibm.net Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:22:54 -0700 --EAA15916.1027077774/mx1.eskimo.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA15914 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:22:54 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id EAA13376; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 04:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200207191122.EAA13376@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: sims@ibm.net Subject: P PPP P Hi, FreeBSD recently made 127.x.x.x addresses entirely local in order to comply with some RFC someone found as well as some firewall software users wanted to use. The issue was that traffic to 127.x.x.x addr's should not leave the machine ever. This makes the 127.x.x.x numbers very bad to use as bogus addr's in the PPP primer. I just tried out PPP with a conf in which set ifaddr 127.1.1.1/0 127.2.2.2/0 255.255.255.0 add 0 0 127.2.2.2 and got some very nasty messages about routes already existing and other weirdness when I tried using PPP. The dialup connection would occur, but I could not ping anything, even by IP addr. I changed the lines to set ifaddr 10.1.1.127/0 10.2.2.127/0 255.255.255.0 add 0 0 10.2.2.127 And everything worked fine. I think your primer needs to use better fake addr's. If you want me to write a formal PR for this I will. Or if you no longer maintain the PPP primer, I'll see what I can do to get something committed. BTW PPPPP was an excellent resource when I was first setting up my home network. Thanks. -r --EAA15916.1027077774/mx1.eskimo.com-- ------- End of forwarded message ------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 19 5:26:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE7F37B400 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 05:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (mx1.eskimo.com [204.122.16.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892F843E64 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 05:26:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ripper@eskimo.com) Received: from eskimo.com (ripper@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04438 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 05:26:06 -0700 Received: (from ripper@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id FAA14699; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 05:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 05:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200207191226.FAA14699@eskimo.com> From: Ross Lippert To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: jade not building Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Damn me for not following the jade thread earlier. What is the deal with the jade port not building? I just upgraded to 4.6 and tried to make docproj but something went wrong in the jade build. It seems that the .tar.gz file is truncated or changed in some weird way. Will a cvsup on the ports fix this? -r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 19 5:33:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A90937B400 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 05:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.alexdupre.com (212-41-211-209.adsl.galactica.it [212.41.211.209]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F0C43E64 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 05:33:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sysadmin@alexdupre.com) Received: from thunder ([192.168.0.101]) by mail.alexdupre.com (MERAK 3.10.011) with ESMTP id F05B6CDE; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:41:25 +0200 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:33:32 +0200 From: Alex Dupre X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Reply-To: Alex Dupre X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <144493294600.20020719143332@alexdupre.com> To: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Ross Lippert Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: jade not building In-Reply-To: <200207191226.FAA14699@eskimo.com> References: <200207191226.FAA14699@eskimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Friday, July 19, 2002, 2:26:06 PM, you wrote: RL> I just upgraded to 4.6 and tried to make docproj but something went wrong in RL> the jade build. It seems that the .tar.gz file is truncated or changed in RL> some weird way. RL> Will a cvsup on the ports fix this? Just installed the 4.6.1-RC2, cvsup'ed and make JADETEX=yes BATCH=yes install in the docproj port. 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Maybe the time i gave was short, >but i'm quite sure that no one was on the way to answer :))) >I'm happy that the close make at least on person move :) FWIW, I think CD-ROM is significantly better than CDROM. Perhaps it's not worth changing all occurrences of CDROM, but at least for new docs and as changing old docs, we should migrate the the 'correct' term. Chris Pepper -- Chris Pepper: Rockefeller University: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 19 12:38:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E26B37B400 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A431543E31 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:38:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rperry4@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-64.157.64.21.dial1.weehawken1.level3.net ([64.157.64.21] helo=earthlink.net) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17VdZg-0003ks-00 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:38:00 -0700 Message-ID: <3D386AED.9D584435@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:39:25 -0400 From: Bob Perry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (OS/2; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD Installation Issues Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0DFDBB005603B45B572D3735" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------0DFDBB005603B45B572D3735 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My system hangs up during installation. If I select, "Skip kernel configuration...", or "Start kernel configuration in full-screen ...", it hangs up at the hardware probe function. When I use the documentation provided on the freebsd.org website, I seem to miss some important information because some of the figures, ( 2-3, to 2-6) overlap the documentation. Is there another source available which covers installation? Thanks much for providing the documentation. --------------0DFDBB005603B45B572D3735 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My system hangs up during installation.  If I select, "Skip kernel configuration...", or "Start kernel configuration in full-screen ...", it hangs up at the hardware probe function.  When I use the documentation provided on the freebsd.org website, I seem to miss some important information because some of the figures, ( 2-3, to 2-6) overlap the documentation.  Is there another source available which covers installation?

    Thanks much for providing the documentation. --------------0DFDBB005603B45B572D3735-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 19 12:48:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD05B37B400; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chiark.greenend.org.uk (chiark.greenend.org.uk [212.135.138.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E80443E42; Fri, 19 Jul 2002 12:48:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fanf@chiark.greenend.org.uk) Received: from fanf by chiark.greenend.org.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17Vdjd-0005RY-00 (Debian); Fri, 19 Jul 2002 20:48:17 +0100 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 20:48:17 +0100 From: Tony Finch To: cvs@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Cc: dot@dotat.at, dwmalone@freebsd.org Subject: CVSROOT documentation patch Message-ID: <20020719204817.C8238@chiark.greenend.org.uk> References: <20020718163457.D32457@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <20020719202612.B8238@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020719202612.B8238@chiark.greenend.org.uk>; from dot@dotat.at on Fri, Jul 19, 2002 at 08:26:12PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is an update to the CVSROOT documentation. It removes an unexpanded $Date$ keyword, adds more crossreferences between the various CVSROOT files, adds notes about unused functionality that's broken with remote commits, and explains some compatibility issues related to local FreeBSD CVS hacks in more detail. Should I commit it myself or leave it to a doc committer? Tony. -- f.a.n.finch http://dotat.at/ NORTH UTSIRE SOUTH UTSIRE: NORTH OR NORTHWEST 3 OR 4, OCCASIONALLY 5. FAIR. GOOD. Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/cvs-freebsd/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 article.sgml --- article.sgml 10 Apr 2002 12:54:25 -0000 1.5 +++ article.sgml 19 Jul 2002 19:36:21 -0000 @@ -22,8 +22,6 @@ Stijn Hoop - $Date$ - $FreeBSD: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/cvs-freebsd/article.sgml,v 1.5 2002/04/10 12:54:25 kuriyama Exp $ @@ -183,8 +181,9 @@ checkoutlist - this files lists all files under control of CVS in this - directory. You should edit this to remove some FreeBSD specific - files. + directory, apart from the standard ones created by + cvs init. You should edit this to + remove some FreeBSD specific files. @@ -196,18 +195,20 @@ commitcheck - this script is invoked - directly from CVS. It first checks if - the committer has access to the specified part of the tree, and - then runs commit_prep.pl for the various - pre-commit checks. If those are OK, CVS - will allow the commit to proceed. You should not have to touch - this file. + directly from CVS. It first checks + if the committer has access to the specified part of the tree + using cvs_acls.pl, and then runs + commit_prep.pl for the various pre-commit + checks. If those are OK, CVS will + allow the commit to proceed. You should not have to touch this + file. commitinfo - this file is used by CVS to determine which script to run - before a commit. You should not have to touch this file. + before a commit—in this case commitcheck. + You should not have to touch this file. @@ -238,13 +239,16 @@ CVS to enable or disable keyword expansion, or whether a file should be considered binary. You can edit this as you wish. More information about this file - is available in the CVS manual. + is available in the CVS manual. + Note that the -t and -f + options don't work correctly with client/server + CVS edithook - this file is not used - any more, but kept for historic reasons. You should not have to - touch this file. + any more, but kept for historic reasons. You can safely + remove this file. @@ -252,49 +256,56 @@ uses this file for editor overrides. FreeBSD does not use this functionality, as parsing the log message is done in the verifymsg and logcheck - files. You should not have to touch this file. + files. This is because the editinfo + functionality doesn't work properly with remote commits, or ones + that use the -m or -F + options. You should not have to touch this file. exclude - this file lists regular - expressions that are used to determine files which cannot contain a - revision header. In the FreeBSD setup, all files under revision - control need to have a revision header (like - $FreeBSD$). All filenames that match one of the lines - in this file are exempted from this check. You should add - expressions to this file as you checkin files that cannot have a - revision header. For the purpose of installing the scripts, it - may be best to exclude CVSROOT/ from header - checks. + expressions that are used by commit_prep.pl + to determine files which cannot contain a revision header. In the + FreeBSD setup, all files under revision control need to have a + revision header (like $FreeBSD$). All filenames that + match one of the lines in this file are exempted from this check. + You should add expressions to this file as you checkin files that + cannot have a revision header. For the purpose of installing the + scripts, it may be best to exclude CVSROOT/ + from header checks. - log_accum.pl - this is a script that - takes the log message as provided by the - logcheck script, and appends it to a log file - in the repository for backup purposes. It also handles mailing out a - message to an email address you provide (in - cfg_local.pm). You should not have to touch - this file. - + log_accum.pl - this is a script that takes + the log message as provided by the logcheck + script, and appends it to a log file in the repository for backup + purposes. It also handles mailing out a message to an email address + you provide (in cfg_local.pm). It hooks into + CVS via loginfo. + You should not have to touch this file. + logcheck - this file parses the commit log message that committers provide, and attempts to sanitize it - somewhat. + somewhat. It hooks into CVS via + verifymsg. You should not have to touch + this file. This script depends on a local FreeBSD hack of CVS: this version reads the log message back in after this script has modified it. The stock version of - CVS apparently does not, which would - make this script useless. + CVS does not do this which makes + logcheck unable to clean up the log message, + although it is still able to check that it is syntactically + OK. loginfo - this file is used by CVS to control where log - information is sent. You should not have to touch this - file. + information is sent; log_accum.pl hooks + in here. You should not have to touch this file. @@ -315,7 +326,8 @@ options - this file is specific to - the FreeBSD version of CVS. It contains + the FreeBSD version of CVS, and is + also supported by the Debian version. It contains the keyword to expand in revision headers. You should alter this to match the keyword you specified in cfg_local.pm (if you use that feature, which @@ -323,10 +335,11 @@ - rcsinfo - this file maps directories in - the repository to template files. By default, FreeBSD uses one - template for the whole repository. You can add others to this file - if you wish. + rcsinfo - this file maps directories + in the repository to template files such as + rcstemplate. By default, FreeBSD uses one + template for the whole repository. You can add others to this + file if you wish. @@ -345,30 +358,34 @@ taginfo - this file maps tag operations - on repository directories to access control scripts. You should not - have to touch this file. + on repository directories to access control scripts such as + tagcheck. You should not have to touch this + file. - unwrap - this script is needed to + unwrap - this script can be used to automatically unwrap binary files (see cvswrappers) on checkout. It is not used in the - current FreeBSD setup. You should not have to touch this - file. + current FreeBSD setup because the functionality it hooks into + doesn't work well with remote commits. You should not have to + touch this file. verifymsg - this file maps repository - directories to post processor scripts of log messages. You should - not have to touch this file. + directories to post processor scripts of log messages such as + logcheck. You should not have to touch + this file. - wrap - this script is needed to + wrap - this script can be used to automatically wrap binary files (see cvswrappers) on checkin. It is not used in the - current FreeBSD setup. You should not have to touch this - file. + current FreeBSD setup because the functionality it hooks into + doesn't work well with remote commits. You should not have to + touch this file. 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