From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 0:11:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A788D37B400 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D7343E4A for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:11:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g7I78XRo076158; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:08:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: "Sean Hamilton" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: microuptime() and nanouptime() library? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:14:24 PDT." <000701c24593$ceb71810$8eacb440@slugabed.org> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:08:33 +0200 Message-ID: <76157.1029654513@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <000701c24593$ceb71810$8eacb440@slugabed.org>, "Sean Hamilton" write s: >Greetings, > >I just tried to use nanouptime, then microuptime, but was disappointed to >find that a quick grep of /usr/lib revealed no libraries containing these >symbols. > >Are they only available to the kernel. If so, how can I get a reasonable >timer figure from user space? There is no problem in making them available to userland, only the question of which .h file to put them in and how to avoid breaking some standard or other doing so. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 2:19:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581E437B400; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f155.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.155]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FEF43E6A; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:19:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pythonstein@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:19:35 -0700 Received: from 217.37.205.177 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:19:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [217.37.205.177] From: "Alfred Pythonstein" To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Insider's scoop: Why FreeBSD is dying Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:19:35 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2002 09:19:35.0810 (UTC) FILETIME=[5EBB4620:01C24698] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The End of FreeBSD [ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD] When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project. Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it. FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile. It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics. So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project. Discussion I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly. From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished. There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want. Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress. Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers? Shouts To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad. To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards. To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within. To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid. To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors. Future I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations. However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots. You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again. = Mike -- To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt FreeBSD is dying _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 2:50: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BEC637B400; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D6D43E6E; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:49:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0019.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.19] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17gMgx-0000Tr-00; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:49:52 -0700 Message-ID: <3D5F6D87.76848740@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 02:48:55 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alfred Pythonstein Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Insider's scoop: Why FreeBSD is dying References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wow. I guess I'll address the most important point that hit home for me from that post... Examining the headers, it looks like Hotmail has a full class "B" (64.4/16); that's surprising. Why the heck do they have a full class B?!? If you are using load balancers for distribution, then you basically need only enough IP addresses to provide publically accessible VIPs to the various public services you export as seperate entities. There's no *way* they have 65,534 (subtracting out the unusable ones) of those! Seems to me, you could do all of Hotmail with well under a class C, if that. You could *probably* do it with a /28, which is the smallest BGP routable chunk UUNET supports. Does this seem odd to anyone else? Is Microsoft just an address space pig, or what? Do they consider the IPv4 address space as part of the company's valuation when making a purchase decision, or is this some legacy thing with Hotmail that no one at InterNIC bothered to correct, and they are just "address rich" by chance (this seems most likely, to me)? Inquiring minds want to know. Maybe it's just so that if a host gets RBL'ed or otherwise blacklisted, they can switch IPs, and won't have an interruption of email service to their customers? If that's the case, that implies the SPAM turnover on those things is on the other of one 65536th of the time it takes to get off a blacklist. That would imply they are sending an *incredible* amount of SPAM (obviously, that assumes a single VIP, which is really unlikely, but it's still within an order of magnitude, asuming a LocalDirector or other load balancer. Anyway, that's what I got from the post... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 3:33:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A461337B400; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f126.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.126]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419A543E7B; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:33:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pythonstein@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:33:11 -0700 Received: from 217.37.205.177 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:33:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [217.37.205.177] From: "Alfred Pythonstein" To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: The #bsdcode hall of shame Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 03:33:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2002 10:33:11.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[A67AB0E0:01C246A2] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The #bsdcode hall of shame, starring: Paul 'moron' Saab Bill 'flamage' Fumerola Juli 'lezbo' Mallet Alfred 'drunktard' Perlstein ___________________ | TERRENCE LAMBERT| ------------------- <@EvilJuli> LAMENESS= Terry * angryskul notes that he would like to put his penis inside Terry's ass. <@phk> we should give terry a mail-quota of two emails per patch he submits. <@jkh> there are worse behaviors than Terry's doing a fine job of eroding morale. :) <@baka^ni> Oh, fuck Terry. <@EvilJuli> Tunefs can do it. <@mux> Screw that Terry asshole! <@ps> terry sucks <@ps> T TERRY.. PLZ READ CODE BEFORE TYPING EMAIL <@skul> WE'LL FIX TERRY <@skul> the annoying part about terry is that he never qualifies anything with "i think" <@skul> .... <@skul> .... <@skul> .... <@skul> .... <@skul> when terry is wrong he just migrates to another thread < cmc> skul: is there any proof that Terry even uses FreeBSD now? <@skul> i need to thrash terry with it * skul crushes terry * skul crushes terry * jmallett sits in the box and talks to dillon and terry about the wonders of the world <@mux> terry! <@jmallett> perry and terry for core! <@mux> terry and perry the blues brothers <@hideaway> screw that, I'll tell you how it's done. [but i won't do it!] <@jmallett> But I did it at Netware, honest! <@hideaway> But I implemented it. <@BigKnife> Fuck terry <@green_> Screw terry <@BigKnife> someone please fuck terry in the ass <@arr> By the amount of FreeBSD list mail terry sends, one would think he's one of the most active developers <@nik__> Heh. Terry, Charles, Theo, and JKH, all on the same core team. * dwhite- bends pattom over and inserts terry < pattom> oddly, I offered to paypal terry some money in gratitude for all his help and he just ignored me - but continued to dispense free ( advice + (we should write a tuning manual but wait no we shouldnt because it is a 2000 hour job and outdated very month) <@nik__> pattom: Problem with Terry's advice is that (in my experience) 90% of it is bullshit. But if you don't know what he's talking about it can be very tricky to work out which 90%. <@softweyr> bsdimp: and PHK won't utter/type Terry's name. <@softweyr> ssh root@election.uk.freebsd.org "cd /home; echo 'Terry * 9'>*/.vote" <@green_> so we have phk, theo and terry on mock-core <@green_> go terry! <@ps> we need to kick terry off the lists. <@ps> TERRY GO AWAY <@phk> EvilPete: listen to ps. Kicking terry out for trolling and wasting time while never contributing would be a good first move. <@ps> tell terry to go the fuck away.. his opinions are not welcome <@cmc> Watch out for his "Flamerola" alter-ego. "Leave Terry alone!" :) <@bsdimp_> WE can barely ban the clueless, what about someone like terry. <@phk> bsdimp_: of banning terry ? I think just the act of officially banning him plus an entry in the FAQ would do a lot. < vd-> whois Terry :) ? < vd-> cmc: looks like Terry - warrior :) <@ps> terry needs to go away <@Debolaz> vd-: Terry is this channels favourite way of getting out steam. <@EvilPete> phk: well, there are more offenders than terry... Maybe a good start would be "for each post of crap that you make, you get a 24 hour ban". < hearnia> ps: no, freebsd's committers need to learn how to deal with people like terry < vd-> you don't like terry < vd-> but terry commiter@ < hearnia> evilpete: when someone bumps up against terry, it's usually a committer < hearnia> ps: but terry doesn't just say crap <@ps> because TERRY IS WRONG <@ps> 99% of the time, terry is wrong <@winter> but having a FAQ entry about Terry would help. <@Debolaz> ps: I recall a statement from this channel that Terry was only wrong 90% of the time, but the problem was figuring out what that 90% was. * EvilPete . o O (Terry: you may post only 5 times a day to the lists. Make them count. Think before you post. Research and verify what you are claiming. etc) <@ps> "Terry Jar Jar Lambert" <@winter> submit all of terry's messages to Razor. <@winter> eventually we'll train Razor to reject Terry's messages. * EvilPete . o (Terry: pick somebody [other than julian] to review every one of your postings before sending it] < vd-> interesting man Terry ... < vd-> few minutes ago I tried to read some threads with Terry's replies <@EvilPete> "WARNING: you have recieved a terry lambert posting! see FAQ on trolls!" <@phk> EvilPete: better yet: Delay all terrys emails to the list for 12 hours. * phk points at Terry < DevRandom> Naah. Terry is a n easy target. <@adrian> damn, terry posts a lot to the various lists <@Holocaine> adrian: Terry appears to feel the need to respond to every single thing that could possibly be interpreted as a question about FreeBSD architecture, even when he has no idea what that actually is. <@Holocaine> adrian: Terry and Dennis-from-ETinc being prime candidates. <@adrian> terry keeps popping up with .. everything else. <@juli> I'm being a Terry that's willing to write code! <@adrian> fuck terry, he posts a lot. <@juli> I just like playing the part of Terry. <@EvilPete> juli: we have more than enough Terry to go around <@juli> * Terry decides to troll^W^H be helpful on the BoskOS lists, too < jhicks> lnb: was it Terry Lambert by any chance? < jhicks> lnb: Terry prolly told them that and stuff <@juli> -- Terry <@juli> someone is keeping a fortunes.terry, rgiht? * scottl feeds the Terry troll }8-) -!- juli changed the topic of #bsdcode to: hey look, something filesystem related, must have to do with ufs2, even though ufs2 didn't touch it! --terry <@phk> juli: we all know Terry is a jerk, but John is DEAD <@juli> "II a. Terry-Bashing" < pattom> and then I saw the vn-related trace, and then terry lambert said he thought I could induce it by doing a bunch of `finds` throughout the different vn-backed FSs <@bmilekic> In particular, Terry wrote the SYSINIT stuff <@ps> T NEW CORE .. TELL TERRY TO GO AWAY <@ps> BAN TERRY AND BRETT <@ps> maybe terry will die of a heart attack <@bright> Terry, Julian, Archie, ummm... <@ps> "Someone is hacking my windows machine when I am on Yahoo! Chat." -- Terry <@ps> "Who are you stalking online Terry?" -- ps response to terry <@EvilDES> hsu: "hey Terry, please rewrite major parts of Bugzilla from scratch" <@motminh> skul says: By replying to Terry you are proxying his messages into my mailbox. <@bright> the problem with terry is that he's "white noise", he's really smart, a great guy, but he just discourages me quite a bit <@rwatson> Except terry, and that isn't a big issue. <@EvilMux> heh, I can deal with Terry quite efficiently :-) <@baka^ni> "Hi! I see you are trying to reply to Terry!" < scottl_> 'Score -1000000: Terry' <@eric^> i thought qnx would be a little more concerned with the legal issues... or maybe i take terry too seriously * baka-san replies to a Terry message in a thread saying "You thought I read this thread, but really I didn't" < green_> rwatson: heh, I misread that terryfs ----------- |BRETT GLASS| ----------- < jmallett> jkh: and fuck Brett Glass. <@hideaway> brett glass! <@hideaway> brettglass4core! <@hideaway> I wrote this paper on my website on how core should be. <@jmallett> in 1995 <@mij> damn, where's brett glass and rob malda in the list? <@bms> brett ass -> killfile <@bms> oh man, brett ass has gotten worse <@hearnia> brett motherfucker glass <@juli> brett glass couldn't <@hearnia> as would a high speed collision between brett glass and theo <@hearnia> i'm going to create a pgp key with the comment "Sign this if you want Brett Glass off freebsd-security" < hearnia> i think we should all start sending brett glass mail every time we le ave our desks to take a dump <@bmilekic> "user is Brett Glass, off with his head" <@EvilPete> uplift: go easy on him, I send all my jmonroy/brettglass email to /d ev/null, that's gotta hurt :-) <@bright> To: Brett Glass <@bright> To: Brett Glass <@bright> * ^From:.*brett@lariat.org <@b0sk0> I'd rather take shit from Theo than take shit from Brett Glass (by the way). <@anordby> "Because I program professionally, I don't read GPLed code due to lic ense concerns." -- Brett Glass * anordby see Brett doing Microsoftish judgements. <@ashp> Brett is an odd guy in person too. <@eric^> he's supposed to be written brettcc <@juli> Solution: unsubscribe brett glass. * bmilekic doesn't really care to see what Brett Glass wrote, really, or where he has a copyright <@Studded> brett is such a loser when he tries to talk security < flynn> Brett Glass Security, Inc <@billf> today we learn from brett glass that sendmail links with libbind <@gehicks> like brett < flynn> "You are aware, Brett, that you are lecturing one of the BIND authors on < hearnia> corecode: shall i label one for you and one for brett glass? < szomb> yeah, so, I was recently informed that Brett Glass's commentary makes reading the ``boring shit'' on -security ``more fun'' <@juli> -security > -chat > brett glass < * < szomb> man, i sure wouldn't want Brett Glass in charge of securing my boxes < hearnia> brett <@bright> * ^From:.*brett@lariat.org <@ps> BAN TERRY AND BRETT <@bright> Cc: Brett Glass , odela01@ca.com, <@bright> Please don't CC me in replies to Brett, I have no idea why he chose < hearnia> with mutt, /Brett Glass\r^d works quite nicely <@kkenn> oh how I wish mutt had a way to automatically delete subthreads initiated by brett glass < cmc> kkenn: Much in the same way that you can use procmail/formail to remove duplicate messages based on a list of msgids in your mailbox, I'm sure you could record a list of Brett Glass msgids and kill anything with those in "References". < DevRandom> kkenn: i kill all mail (to|cc|from): Brett Glass. Life is so much better! <@EvilDES> kkenn: I killfile anything that from, to or cc:ed to brett < bms> Brett Ass < scottl_> ha! /. has a poll that mentions Brett Glass <@softweyr> everyone go vote for the plastinated Brett Glass at /. <@bms> remind me to killfile Brett Ass, I keep forgetting < EvilCait> tjr: do that at the brett glass lecture :) < cv> no throw bricks at the brett glass lecture < EvilCait> cv: ever meet brett in real life? <@EvilCait> that's almost brett glass height _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 7:23:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B310537B400; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f173.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.173]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BA443E65; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:23:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pythonstein@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:23:31 -0700 Received: from 217.37.205.177 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:23:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [217.37.205.177] From: "Alfred Pythonstein" To: chat@freebsd.org Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: It's dead Jim Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:23:31 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2002 14:23:31.0331 (UTC) FILETIME=[D3F2F530:01C246C2] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mad propz to Hiten 'imbecile' Pandya, btw... It is official -- Netcraft is now confirming: *BSD is dying One more crippling bombshell crushed the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test. You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying. Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers. OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts. Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house. All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead. Fact: *BSD is dying _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 8:18: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887FD37B400; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:17:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spyder.bytecraft.au.com (bytecr1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.142.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46CD43E6A; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 08:17:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@bytecraft.au.com) Received: by spyder.bytecraft.au.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 58AA0BA80; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:17:43 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:17:43 +1000 From: Charlie & To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Cant get PCCARD stuff working Message-ID: <20020819011743.A10172@spyder.bytecraft.au.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Reposted to mobile and hackers as no answer on questions The only extra item I have gleaned from archives is some comment from Warner (?) about s memory mapping issue, which I have not found any follow up on... original message follows --------8<------------ I am trying to get a Card Master PCI-IF{T/I) card working so that I can create miniBSD Cf images for some new firewall boxes. At least that is the idea.. However I dont seem to be able to ge the Flash recognised.. I am not sure even if the PCMCIA PCI interface is working properly.. ie I have not been here before. I have seen stuff in the archives with the same TI1420 chip being recognised on the PCI buss, so Im hopeful there. But I am currently stuck and need help. The Box is an IBM xSeries 300 server and runs all the rest of FreeBSD Aok. Build world done this morning (in 40 minutes), from CVSup sources bout 24 hours old If the PCCARD gurus need any more data just let me know.. and H E L P please Murray Taylor Special Projects Engineer Bytecraft Systems --------------------------------------------------------------------- insert Panasonic CF carrier with Sandisk 32M CF module spyder# pccardc dumpcis 2 slots found spyder# pccardc rdreg Registers for slot 0 00: 84 00 00 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 c0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Registers for slot 1 00: 84 00 00 10 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 c0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 spyder# pccardc rdmap Mem 0: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes Mem 1: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes Mem 2: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes Mem 3: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes Mem 4: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes I/O 0: flags 0x000 port 0x 0 size 0 bytes I/O 1: flags 0x000 port 0x 0 size 0 bytes Mem 0: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes Mem 1: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes Mem 2: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes Mem 3: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes Mem 4: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes I/O 0: flags 0x000 port 0x 0 size 0 bytes I/O 1: flags 0x000 port 0x 0 size 0 bytes spyder# pccardc power 0 1 spyder# pccardc power 1 1 (extract from /var/log/messages) Aug 16 08:34:00 spyder /kernel: pccard: card inserted, slot 0 Aug 16 08:34:05 spyder pccardd[48]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)") Aug 16 08:51:10 spyder /kernel: pccard: card inserted, slot 1 Aug 16 08:51:16 spyder pccardd[48]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)") spyder# pccardc dumpcis Read return -1 bytes (expected 2) pccardc: CIS code read: Cannot allocate memory Read return -1 bytes (expected 10) Configuration data for card in slot 0 Read return -1 bytes (expected 2) pccardc: CIS code read: Cannot allocate memory Read return -1 bytes (expected 10) Configuration data for card in slot 1 2 slots found spyder# pccardc rdreg Registers for slot 0 00: 84 00 00 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 c0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Registers for slot 1 00: 84 00 00 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 10: 00 00 00 00 00 00 c0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 spyder# pccardc rdmap Mem 0: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes Mem 1: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes Mem 2: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes Mem 3: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes Mem 4: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes I/O 0: flags 0x000 port 0x 0 size 0 bytes I/O 1: flags 0x000 port 0x 0 size 0 bytes Mem 0: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes Mem 1: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes Mem 2: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes Mem 3: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes Mem 4: flags 0x000 host 0x0 card 0000 size 0 bytes I/O 0: flags 0x000 port 0x 0 size 0 bytes I/O 1: flags 0x000 port 0x 0 size 0 bytes spyder# more /etc/rc.conf # -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # Thu May 16 08:01:23 2002 # Created: Thu May 16 08:01:23 2002 # Enable network daemons for user convenience. # Please make all changes to this file, not to /etc/defaults/rc.conf. # This file now contains just the overrides from /etc/defaults/rc.conf. hostname="spyder.bytecraft.au.com" ifconfig_fxp0="inet 10.0.0.2/20" ##ifconfig_fxp1="inet 192.168.4.1 netmask 255.255.255.252" defaultrouter="10.0.0.1" kern_securelevel_enable="NO" linux_enable="YES" moused_enable="NO" moused_type="NO" nfs_reserved_port_only="YES" saver="logo" sendmail_enable="YES" sshd_enable="YES" usbd_enable="YES" pccard_enable="YES" spyder# more /etc/pccard.conf debuglevel 4 spyder# uname -a FreeBSD spyder.bytecraft.au.com 4.6-STABLE FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE #0: Fri Aug 16 08:26:33 EST 2002 root@spyder.bytecraft.au.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 spyder# cat /var/run/dmesg.boot Copyright (c) 1992-2002 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE #0: Fri Aug 16 08:26:33 EST 2002 root@spyder.bytecraft.au.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (1000.02-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x68a Stepping = 10 Features=0x383fbff real memory = 536805376 (524224K bytes) config> di sn0 config> di lnc0 config> di ie0 config> di fe0 config> di ed0 config> di cs0 config> q avail memory = 517353472 (505228K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc04d6000. Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc04d609c. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk Using $PIR table, 7 entries at 0xc00fdcc0 npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xd000-0xd00f at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 uhci0: port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 10 at device 7.2 on pci0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0xd800-0xd81f irq 10 at device 7.3 on pci0 usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pci0: (vendor=0x1106, dev=0x3057) at 7.4 pcic0: mem 0xdd0c4000-0xdd0c4fff irq 5 at device 9.0 on pci0 pcic0: TI12XX PCI Config Reg: [pwr save][FUNC pci int + CSC serial isa irq] pccard0: on pcic0 pcic1: mem 0xdd0c9000-0xdd0c9fff irq 7 at device 9.1 on pci0 pcic1: TI12XX PCI Config Reg: [pwr save][FUNC pci int + CSC serial isa irq] pccard1: on pcic1 fxp0: port 0xdc00-0xdc3f mem 0xdd080000-0xdd09ffff,0xdd0c3000-0xdd0c3fff irq 11 at device 13.0 on pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:02:55:fa:76:5f inphy0: on miibus0 inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto fxp1: port 0xe000-0xe03f mem 0xdd0a0000-0xdd0bffff,0xdd0c6000-0xdd0c6fff irq 10 at device 14.0 on pci0 fxp1: Ethernet address 00:02:55:fa:76:60 inphy1: on miibus1 inphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto pci0: at 15.0 irq 5 orm0: RE: It's dead Jim

Yes, but what about Apple?  Surely OSX sales are increasing BSD installation counts?

-SU

-----Original Message-----
From: Alfred Pythonstein [mailto:pythonstein@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:24 AM
To: chat@freebsd.org
Cc: hackers@freebsd.org
Subject: It's dead Jim


Mad propz to Hiten 'imbecile' Pandya, btw...

It is official -- Netcraft is now confirming: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell crushed the already beleaguered *BSD community
when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to
less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a
recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market
share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is
collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead
last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The
hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't
be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very
bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market
share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core
developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD
developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point
more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many
users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD
posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about
7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the
volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A
recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore
there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with
the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went
out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now
BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD
is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is
to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to
decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For
all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C246CD.42C9DA00-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 9:13:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9126B37B400; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F3243E3B; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:13:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kstewart@owt.com) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13667; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:13:30 -0700 Message-ID: <3D5FC7A9.5090908@owt.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:13:29 -0700 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, es-mx MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Ullrich Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: It's dead Jim References: <2F6DCE1EFAB3BC418B5C324F13934C9601D23142@exchange.corp.cre8.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Scott Ullrich wrote: > Yes, but what about Apple? Surely OSX sales are increasing BSD > installation counts? Netcraft hasn't detected sites I use since they upgraded to 4.5. They all show up as "unknown". > > -SU > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alfred Pythonstein [mailto:pythonstein@hotmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 10:24 AM > To: chat@freebsd.org > Cc: hackers@freebsd.org > Subject: It's dead Jim > > > Mad propz to Hiten 'imbecile' Pandya, btw... > > It is official -- Netcraft is now confirming: *BSD is dying > > One more crippling bombshell crushed the already beleaguered *BSD community > when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now > down to > less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a > recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market > share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is > collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead > last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test. > > You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The > hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't > be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking > very > bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose > market > share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. > > FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core > developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD > developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point > more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying. > > Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers. > > OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many > users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD > posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about > 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the > volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A > recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. > Therefore > there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with > the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts. > > Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went > out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. > Now > BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house. > > All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. > *BSD > is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is > to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD > continues to > decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For > all practical purposes, *BSD is dead. > > Fact: *BSD is dying > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 10: 9:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A3837B400; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wso-h001.wsonline.net (12-254-8-189.client.attbi.com [12.254.8.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AF243E6E; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:09:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seahorse51@attbi.com) Received: from seahorse.attbi.com (trilluser@seahorse [192.168.1.101]) by wso-h001.wsonline.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7IH9CdI081616; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from seahorse51@attbi.com) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020818110747.00ac1a98@mail.seahorse.wsonline.net> X-Sender: seahorse@mail.seahorse.wsonline.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:09:11 -0600 To: Terry Lambert , Alfred Pythonstein From: Andy Subject: Re: Insider's scoop: Why FreeBSD is dying Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3D5F6D87.76848740@mindspring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Remember that Hotmail is a part of MSN, and they would have a need for that many IP addresses, what with their "Internet content" service. Andy At 03:48 08/18/2002, Terry Lambert wrote: >Wow. > >I guess I'll address the most important point that hit home for me >from that post... > >Examining the headers, it looks like Hotmail has a full class "B" >(64.4/16); that's surprising. Why the heck do they have a full >class B?!? If you are using load balancers for distribution, then >you basically need only enough IP addresses to provide publically >accessible VIPs to the various public services you export as seperate >entities. There's no *way* they have 65,534 (subtracting out the >unusable ones) of those! > >Seems to me, you could do all of Hotmail with well under a class >C, if that. You could *probably* do it with a /28, which is the >smallest BGP routable chunk UUNET supports. > >Does this seem odd to anyone else? Is Microsoft just an address >space pig, or what? Do they consider the IPv4 address space as >part of the company's valuation when making a purchase decision, >or is this some legacy thing with Hotmail that no one at InterNIC >bothered to correct, and they are just "address rich" by chance >(this seems most likely, to me)? > >Inquiring minds want to know. > >Maybe it's just so that if a host gets RBL'ed or otherwise >blacklisted, they can switch IPs, and won't have an interruption >of email service to their customers? If that's the case, that >implies the SPAM turnover on those things is on the other of one >65536th of the time it takes to get off a blacklist. That would >imply they are sending an *incredible* amount of SPAM (obviously, >that assumes a single VIP, which is really unlikely, but it's >still within an order of magnitude, asuming a LocalDirector or >other load balancer. > >Anyway, that's what I got from the post... > >-- Terry > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 10:35:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC79937B400; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:35:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD5843E65; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:35:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0215.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.215] helo=mindspring.com) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17gTx9-0000yk-00; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:35:04 -0700 Message-ID: <3D5FDA8F.5D735D38@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:34:07 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Cc: Alfred Pythonstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Hotmail (was Re: Insider's scoop: Why FreeBSD is dying) References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020818110747.00ac1a98@mail.seahorse.wsonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andy wrote: > Remember that Hotmail is a part of MSN, and they would have a need for that > many IP addresses, what with their "Internet content" service. Oh, I could definitely see Microsoft needing a lot of VIPs; they would need one per unique, deployed services, and potentially one per "branding" partner (depends on whether they expect a modern browser -- "Host:" being set correctly for virtual hosting). I'm "pretty sure", that they have other address blocks, as well. 8-). For service availability, though, they would only really need a small number of VIPs per colocation facility, for a large and distributed service (basically, one per redundant virtual circuit path for initial distribution). So if they were widely deployed, you would expect maybe 8 VIPs per colocation facility... but you would not expect them to be in a large, contiguous netblock: you'd expect them to be 8 here, and 8 there, etc., based on geographic location. It's actually my understanding (I'm willing to be corrected here) that HotMail is pretty centrally served, because of the protocols involved, and because of their architecture. Anyway, I guess if I could get a full class B, I'd have one, and I wouldn't be questioning *why* someone had been willing to give it to me. 8-) 8-). It just seemed mighty strange. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 10:40:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B7537B401; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACEBD43E75; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:40:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from InterJet.elischer.org ([12.232.206.8]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020818174023.SSPV1186.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@InterJet.elischer.org>; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:40:23 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA41935; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:22:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Kent Stewart Cc: Scott Ullrich , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: It's dead Jim In-Reply-To: <3D5FC7A9.5090908@owt.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yo! the reason you guy are the only ones answering this is because everyone else recognised it as a troll from some drunk.. give it a miss! On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Kent Stewart wrote: > > > Scott Ullrich wrote: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 11: 3:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB9337B4A9; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:03:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ussenterprise.ufp.org (ussenterprise.ufp.org [208.185.30.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A052343E6E; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:03:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bicknell@ussenterprise.ufp.org) Received: (from bicknell@localhost) by ussenterprise.ufp.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g7II31775250; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:03:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bicknell) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:03:01 -0400 From: Leo Bicknell To: Terry Lambert Cc: Alfred Pythonstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Insider's scoop: Why FreeBSD is dying Message-ID: <20020818180301.GA74970@ussenterprise.ufp.org> References: <3D5F6D87.76848740@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D5F6D87.76848740@mindspring.com> Organization: United Federation of Planets Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In a message written on Sun, Aug 18, 2002 at 02:48:55AM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > Examining the headers, it looks like Hotmail has a full class "B" > (64.4/16); that's surprising. Why the heck do they have a full They seem to have 64.4/18. 64/8 and 65/8 are being chopped up for smaller allocations by the registries. > class B?!? If you are using load balancers for distribution, then > you basically need only enough IP addresses to provide publically > accessible VIPs to the various public services you export as seperate > entities. There's no *way* they have 65,534 (subtracting out the > unusable ones) of those! No one providing network services should ever be required to use any technology other than plain IP to provide it. That includes NAT and load balancers. If they want to have 10,000 machines (which, by the way, I believe they have well over from some press stuff on them) exposed to the Internet, and merely have a front end web server that directs users to the appropriate server more power to them. Having seen first hand the disaster that most NAT and load balancers create I know I'd avoid them if at all possible. > Maybe it's just so that if a host gets RBL'ed or otherwise > blacklisted, they can switch IPs, and won't have an interruption > of email service to their customers? If that's the case, that I'd point out most black lists are fairly good at checking registry allocation data, and blocking all the mail servers in a block if Spam continues. So if that were a problem you'd see 64.4/18 on the block list. ARIN has guidelines for allocating IP's. I don't agree with all of them, but they are fully documented on www.arin.net. I don't believe Microsoft was able to get around that process. So they are playing by the same rules and guidelines as anyone else. -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/ Read TMBG List - tmbg-list-request@tmbg.org, www.tmbg.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 11:11:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0FFE37B400; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www6.web2010.com (www6.web2010.com [216.157.5.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2369C43E3B; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:11:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marty@face2interface.com) Received: from marty.face2interface.com (marty.ulster.net [216.238.72.249]) by www6.web2010.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA07976; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020818140946.091604b0@mail.face2interface.com> X-Sender: face@mail.face2interface.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:10:18 -0400 To: Julian Elischer , Kent Stewart From: Marty Landman Subject: Re: It's dead Jim Cc: Scott Ullrich , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3D5FC7A9.5090908@owt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:22 AM 8/18/02 -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: >Yo! the reason you guy are the only ones >answering this is because everyone else recognised it as a troll from >some drunk.. nothing worse than a drunken troll - they're small and they're mean! marty -- SIMPL WebSite Creation: http://face2interface.com/Home/Demo.shtml To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 11:12:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A9137B400 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl (amsfep11-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D8B43E6E for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 11:12:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wouter@pair.com) Received: from hibernate.cryolabs.net ([213.132.151.88]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with SMTP id <20020818181219.TDXW1693.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@hibernate.cryolabs.net> for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:12:19 +0200 Received: (qmail 27449 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2002 20:12:12 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO cocaine.cryolabs.net) (192.168.196.5) by hibernate.cryolabs.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2002 20:12:12 +0200 Subject: Re: Hotmail (was Re: Insider's scoop: Why FreeBSD is dying) From: Wouter Van Hemel To: Terry Lambert Cc: Andy , Alfred Pythonstein , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3D5FDA8F.5D735D38@mindspring.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020818110747.00ac1a98@mail.seahorse.wsonline.net> <3D5FDA8F.5D735D38@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.7 Date: 18 Aug 2002 20:10:30 +0200 Message-Id: <1029694230.310.20.camel@cocaine> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 2002-08-18 at 19:34, Terry Lambert wrote: > > [...] > > So if they were widely deployed, you would expect maybe 8 VIPs > per colocation facility... but you would not expect them to be > in a large, contiguous netblock: you'd expect them to be 8 here, > and 8 there, etc., based on geographic location. > Microsoft seems to like putting everything in the same subnet - remember their nameserver incident a while ago? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/16321.html Painfully hilarious. I wonder if they hire MCSE's themselves... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 12: 6:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66EAC37B400 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:06:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04BB43E6A for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:06:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from knightraven@attbi.com) Received: from quark ([12.224.189.20]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020818190610.LYGO11061.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@quark>; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 19:06:10 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c246ea$4fcb4b90$14bde00c@quark> From: "Devon Stark" To: Cc: References: <002801c2467f$731ebb60$14bde00c@quark> <1029666187.253.7.camel@markx.vladsempire.net> Subject: Re: IPDIVERT, having issues? [Moved to -questions] Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:06:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for the idea, but sadly still didn't do the trick... it seems that the problem is something to do with ipfw loading as a module and not as a static lib... divert seems to be enabled in the kernel (lessing the kernel binary looking for the console message), and the module does not, (still reports that divert is disabled) so what seems to be happening is that the kernel is being overridden by the module at runtime, renaming the module prevents ipfw from loading... How can I force ipfw to build as a static lib in the kernel and not as a module? or perhaps is there something else that I need to do? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Paetzel" To: "Devon Stark" Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 3:22 AM Subject: Re: IPDIVERT, having issues? [Moved to -questions] > On Sun, 2002-08-18 at 06:20, Devon Stark wrote: > > Greetings! > > I am having a problem trying to get IPDIVERT to take.. > > I have setup my kernel conf to include the following lines > > > > options IPFIREWALL > > options IPDIVERT > > > > I have the nic configured and running just fine, for both local LAN and for internet (both of my NICs are plugged into the same switch for now) > > > > My /etc/rc.conf has > > gateway_enable=""YES" > > firewall_enable="YES" > > natd_enable="YES" > > > > Every time I boot the server I get a message saying that IP Packet filtering is enabled, along with any other configuration I specified (logging and such), but divert is always set to disabled!? > > I have gone to the point of building the kernel with '-DIPDIVERT' and still getting the same results... > > The main effect of this problem is of course that I get an error when I try to apply the following rule to my firewall > > > > 'ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via fxp0' > > The error is... > > > > ip_fw_ctl: invalid command > > ipfw: getsockopt(IP_FW_ADD): Invalid argument > > > > I have checked and natd is in the services list and seems to be configured properly. > > > > I have been searching for the answer for about 3 days now with little luck finding the answer. > > > > The only thing I can think of is that there is some other kernel option that I am enabling that is causing this problem, or perhaps that there is something that I am missing? > > > > I have included my config files here for review... > > > > Kernel config file (I striped out all of the comments for the sake of this post) > > > > machine i386 > > cpu I686_CPU > > ident THE-SERVER > > maxusers 256 > > options MATH_EMULATE > > options INET > > options FFS > > options FFS_ROOT > > options SOFTUPDATES > > options UFS_DIRHASH > > options MFS > > options MD_ROOT > > options NFS > > options NFS_ROOT > > options MSDOSFS > > options CD9660 > > options CD9660_ROOT > > options PROCFS > > options COMPAT_43 > > options SCSI_DELAY=1000 > > options UCONSOLE > > options USERCONFIG > > options VISUAL_USERCONFIG > > options KTRACE > > options SYSVSHM > > options SYSVMSG > > options SYSVSEM > > options P1003_1B > > options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING > > options ICMP_BANDLIM > > options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV > > options IPFIREWALL > > options IPDIVERT > > options IPFIREWALL_FORWARD > > options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE > > options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=50 > > options BRIDGE > > options IPSTEALTH > > options TCP_DROP_SYNFIN > > options SMP > > options APIC_IO > > device isa > > device eisa > > device pci > > device fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 > > device fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 > > device ata0 at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14 > > device ata1 at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15 > > device ata > > device atadisk > > device atapicd > > device atapifd > > options ATA_STATIC_ID > > device ahb > > device ahc > > device amd > > device isp > > device ncr > > device sym > > options SYM_SETUP_LP_PROBE_MAP=0x40 > > device adv0 at isa? > > device adw > > device bt0 at isa? > > device aha0 at isa? > > device aic0 at isa? > > device scbus > > device da > > device sa > > device cd > > device pass > > device asr > > device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD > > device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 > > device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 > > device vga0 at isa? > > pseudo-device splash > > device sc0 at isa? flags 0x100 > > device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 > > device apm0 at nexus? disable flags 0x20 > > device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 > > device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3 > > device ppc0 at isa? irq 7 > > device ppbus > > device lpt > > device miibus > > device fxp > > pseudo-device loop > > pseudo-device ether > > pseudo-device pty > > pseudo-device md > > pseudo-device bpf > > device uhci > > device ohci > > device usb > > device ugen > > device uhid > > device ukbd > > device ulpt > > device umass > > device ums > > device uscanner > > device urio > > device aue > > device cue > > device kue > > > > Here is the /etc/rc.conf > > > > gateway_enable="YES" > > inetd_enable="YES" > > kern_securelevel_enable="NO" > > linux_enable="YES" > > moused_enable="NO" > > nfs_reserved_port_only="YES" > > sendmail_enable="YES" > > sshd_enable="YES" > > usbd_enable="YES" > > ifconfig_fxp0="DHCP" > > ifconfig_fxp1="inet 172.17.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" > > hostname="The-Server.KnightRaven.com" > > firewall_enable="YES" > > firewall_type="open" > > firewall_quiet="NO" > > natd_enable="YES" > > natd_flags="-f /etc/natd.conf" > > natd_interface="fxp0" > > > > Let me know if there are any other configuration files you need to look at... > > > > Any ideas or help is greatly appreciated! > > > > Thank you! > > Devon > > Remove option IPFIREWALL_FORWARD and option BRIDGE from you kernel and > recompile. > > Josh > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 12:47:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE86E37B400; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECF243E65; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:47:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.5/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7IJl1dc073088; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:47:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.5/8.12.4/Submit) id g7IJl1gH073087; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:47:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:47:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200208181947.g7IJl1gH073087@apollo.backplane.com> To: Marty Landman Cc: Julian Elischer , Kent Stewart , Scott Ullrich , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: It's dead Jim References: <3D5FC7A9.5090908@owt.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020818140946.091604b0@mail.face2interface.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :At 10:22 AM 8/18/02 -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: :>Yo! the reason you guy are the only ones :>answering this is because everyone else recognised it as a troll from :>some drunk.. : :nothing worse than a drunken troll - they're small and they're mean! : :marty Well, you know, the guy has only his old run-down hotmail account to mail from, we should cut the poor shmuck some slack. And the drunks always forget their password, too. He's probably crying to M$ tech support right now. Budda Budda Budda. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 12:50:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C82537B405 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133D443E3B for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:50:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.5/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7IJoldc073114 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:50:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.5/8.12.4/Submit) id g7IJol3E073113; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:50:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:50:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200208181950.g7IJol3E073113@apollo.backplane.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: PC/104 for factor cpu boards running FreeBSD? Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been investigating the use of PC/104 form factor cpu boards for a telemetry application. I've found quite a number of vendors and quite a few cards that appear to run Linux out of the box, and it would also appear that many of the cards could run FreeBSD fairly easily too (since most mimic PCs). Does anyone on this forum have any experience using these sorts of cards with FreeBSD and could you impart some of your general knowledge to me? I think the forum would be interested as well. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 13: 1:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D13D937B400 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 126.216-123-229-0.interbaun.com (126.216-123-229-0.interbaun.com [216.123.229.126]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146D143E75 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:01:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.zp.ua) Received: from there (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 126.216-123-229-0.interbaun.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7IK1n103429 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:01:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.zp.ua) Message-Id: <200208182001.g7IK1n103429@126.216-123-229-0.interbaun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cant get PCCARD stuff working Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 14:01:48 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20020819011743.A10172@spyder.bytecraft.au.com> In-Reply-To: <20020819011743.A10172@spyder.bytecraft.au.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I am trying to get a Card Master PCI-IF{T/I) card working so that I can is there a device driver for PCI cards using the same chipset? 18.08.2002; 13:58:40 [SorAlx] http://cydem.zp.ua/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 13:12:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F0137B400 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0409C43E3B for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:12:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g7IK90Ro084407; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:09:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Matthew Dillon Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC/104 for factor cpu boards running FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:50:47 PDT." <200208181950.g7IJol3E073113@apollo.backplane.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 22:09:00 +0200 Message-ID: <84406.1029701340@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200208181950.g7IJol3E073113@apollo.backplane.com>, Matthew Dillon writes: > I've been investigating the use of PC/104 form factor cpu boards > for a telemetry application. I've found quite a number of vendors > and quite a few cards that appear to run Linux out of the box, and it > would also appear that many of the cards could run FreeBSD fairly > easily too (since most mimic PCs). > > Does anyone on this forum have any experience using these sorts of > cards with FreeBSD and could you impart some of your general knowledge > to me? I think the forum would be interested as well. I have yet to see a PC104 card which didn't support FreeBSD or (MSDOS 3.11 for that matter). -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 13:30:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D685637B401 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.157.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD9E43E6A for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:30:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (uucp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7IKUBqa070841; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:30:11 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) with UUCP id g7IKUBSC070840; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:30:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from grimreaper.grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grimreaper.grondar.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7IKTFQg015013; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:29:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grimreaper.grondar.org) Message-Id: <200208182029.g7IKTFQg015013@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: Matthew Dillon Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PC/104 for factor cpu boards running FreeBSD? References: <200208181950.g7IJol3E073113@apollo.backplane.com> In-Reply-To: <200208181950.g7IJol3E073113@apollo.backplane.com> ; from Matthew Dillon "Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:50:47 PDT." Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 21:29:15 +0100 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Does anyone on this forum have any experience using these sorts of > cards with FreeBSD and could you impart some of your general knowledge > to me? I think the forum would be interested as well. Mike Smith was doing this as least as long ago as 1999 with a 486/PC104 at Walnut Creek. M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_ Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 13:43:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0373837B400; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jkh-gw.queasyweasel.com (adsl-64-173-3-158.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.3.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DC943E3B; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:43:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@queasyweasel.com) Received: from adsl-64-173-15-99.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net (jkh@mango.freebsd.com [64.173.15.99]) by jkh-gw.queasyweasel.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7IKfcux087676; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:41:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@queasyweasel.com) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:44:12 -0700 Subject: Re: Hotmail (was Re: Insider's scoop: Why FreeBSD is dying) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Cc: Andy , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG To: Terry Lambert From: Jordan K Hubbard In-Reply-To: <3D5FDA8F.5D735D38@mindspring.com> Message-Id: <405432E0-B2EB-11D6-A7FE-0003938C7B7E@queasyweasel.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.543) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can we maybe stop debating this and just have our postmaster do what he can to filter this kind of noise out? Recycled slashdot trolls are hardly the kind of content we want to see on hackers@freebsd.org and what goes on in IRC has been repeatedly made clear to have nothing to do with the project on any official basis, so we don't need discussions of IRC behavior on hackers either. If we took it up in -hackers every time somebody dissed somebody else in IRC, we'd never have the bandwidth to discuss anything else. Filters? Please? Enough is enough. - Jordan On Sunday, August 18, 2002, at 10:34 AM, Terry Lambert wrote: > Andy wrote: >> Remember that Hotmail is a part of MSN, and they would have a need >> for that >> many IP addresses, what with their "Internet content" service. > > Oh, I could definitely see Microsoft needing a lot of VIPs; they > would need one per unique, deployed services, and potentially one > per "branding" partner (depends on whether they expect a modern > browser -- "Host:" being set correctly for virtual hosting). I'm > "pretty sure", that they have other address blocks, as well. 8-). > > For service availability, though, they would only really need a > small number of VIPs per colocation facility, for a large and > distributed service (basically, one per redundant virtual circuit > path for initial distribution). > > So if they were widely deployed, you would expect maybe 8 VIPs > per colocation facility... but you would not expect them to be > in a large, contiguous netblock: you'd expect them to be 8 here, > and 8 there, etc., based on geographic location. > > It's actually my understanding (I'm willing to be corrected here) > that HotMail is pretty centrally served, because of the protocols > involved, and because of their architecture. > > Anyway, I guess if I could get a full class B, I'd have one, and > I wouldn't be questioning *why* someone had been willing to give > it to me. 8-) 8-). It just seemed mighty strange. > > -- Terry > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- Jordan K. Hubbard Engineering Manager, BSD technology group Apple Computer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 15: 7:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF1B37B400 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [207.154.84.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FB5A43E6A for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:07:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 9272 invoked by uid 1113); 18 Aug 2002 22:07:42 -0000 Date: 18 Aug 2002 15:07:42 -0700 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:07:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Smith To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: PC/104 boards. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Mark Murray] >[Matt Dillon] >> Does anyone on this forum have any experience using these sorts of >> cards with FreeBSD and could you impart some of your general >> knowledge to me? I think the forum would be interested as well. > > Mike Smith was doing this as least as long ago as 1999 with a 486/PC104 > at Walnut Creek. Actually, that was a 386sx40 in an ALI PC-on-a-chip device on a board from Mesa Electronics. Poul's right though; most of the PC/104* boards are just PCs in an odd formfactor. The embedded market is very conservative (since complexity adds overhead and many customers are small and unsophisticated) so the systems tend to remain very backwards-compatible. It's just the usual areas that remain problematic; power management in particular. However, a good vendor will document all the magic bits on their board, so you do actually stand something of a chance of making it work. = Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 15:11: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC6337B400; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.libertysurf.net (mail.libertysurf.net [213.36.80.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50FC243E75; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:10:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from groudier@free.fr) Received: from [192.168.1.129] (212.232.46.182) by mail.libertysurf.net (6.5.026) id 3D518C6B001F814F; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 00:10:47 +0200 Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 01:55:10 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E9rard_Roudier?= X-X-Sender: groudier@localhost.my.domain To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: Sergey Babkin , "Semen A. Ustimenko" , , Subject: Re: SCSI device emulation using SCSI host controller In-Reply-To: <20020813203037.A53640@panzer.kdm.org> Message-ID: <20020819012514.C200-100000@localhost.my.domain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 21:12:59 -0400, Sergey Babkin wrote: > > "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 23:41:14 +0700, Semen A. Ustimenko wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > I beg you all pardon for a question not related directly to FreeBSD= , but > > > > if the answer is ``yes'', then I believe FreeBSD will be in deal. > > > > > > > > The question is: "Can I emulate a SCSI device (tape, if that matter= s) > > > > using usual SCSI host controller and specific software, or I will > > > > definitely need specific hardware?" > > > > > > You'll need either the right Adaptec or QLogic controller, but yes, i= t can > > > be done with FreeBSD. > > > > Or Symbios (now LSI Logic). > > Has anyone done any target mode code for their boards? > > I know they're probably capable of it, but AFAIK, the sym(4) driver doesn= 't > support target mode and I didn't see anything in the mpt(4) commit that > indicated that it supports target mode either. Indeed sym(4) doesn't support target mode. I had such plan to add such support a couple of years ago in order to make possible some low cost high speed host-to-host communication, but finally I didn't found for now good reasons enough for completing this work. Instead, the result would have not high speed at high cost communication and probably bunches of undocumented hardware bugs to suffer of. Btw, I haven't any project related to SCSI device emulation. My impressions and observations about Ncr/Symbios/Lsi 8xx/1010 SCSI/SCRIPT based devices for SCSI target mode are the following: 1) The older the chip, the better for target mode :-) (I mean less hardware bugs to work-around) 2) The vendor of the chips don't provide target mode drivers nor encourage this much to develop such. 3) Given the Device Errata Listings I could look into, the Ultra-160 LSI1010-33 is only usable in asynchronous mode (about 3 Mega-transfers per second) in target mode. (Better not to want to support target mode on those chips) Given #3, the maximum throughput with target mode on such chip family cannot be greater that 80 MB/s which is not faster than Gigabit ethernet for example. The current LSILOGIC interface technology for SCSI chip is MPT/fusion. I would suggest to rather invest on it. The 8xx SCSI scripts based technology will never support more than Ultra-160. G=E9rard. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 16:30:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A9B37B400; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8556543E42; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:30:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22541; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:30:04 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook is dangerous and makes your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020818172856.034da160@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:30:02 -0600 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Great. Now, the anti-BSD spammers are spamming BSD mailing lists. Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Time to get that Hotmail account turned off. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 16:57: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4FA37B400; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B921743E65; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:56:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A804812EA; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:53:39 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:53:39 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Alfred Pythonstein Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Trolls are dying (was: Insider's scoop: Why FreeBSD is dying) Message-ID: <20020818232339.GA43138@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 18 August 2002 at 2:19:35 -0700, Alfred Pythonstein wrote: > The End of FreeBSD > > [ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives > his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD] Former hacker? Did I miss something? [Old news omitted] > -- > To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we > are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and > servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore > Roosevelt What does this have to do with the matter at hand? > FreeBSD is dying Well, these trolls are maybe not dying, but they're sure looking sick. They used to be at least provocative or funny. "Alfred", you're going to have to try a whole lot harder than that. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 17:35:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C842F37B400; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0F143E4A; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:35:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45D2C8133C; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:31:54 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:31:54 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Alfred Pythonstein , Mike Cheponis Cc: chat@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org Subject: Re: It's dead Jim Message-ID: <20020819000154.GC43138@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 18 August 2002 at 7:23:31 -0700, Alfred Pythonstein wrote: > Mad propz to Hiten 'imbecile' Pandya, btw... > > It is official -- Netcraft is now confirming: *BSD is dying Mike, is that you? > You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The > hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't > be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking > very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose > market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. > > FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core > developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD > developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point > more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying. > > Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers. > > OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many > users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD > posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about > 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the > volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A > recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. > Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is > consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts. > > Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went > out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. > Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house. > > All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. > *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If > *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD > continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point > in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead. > > Fact: *BSD is dying Fact: this claim is over a year old. On Sunday, 22 April 2001 at 14:44:28 -0700, Mike Cheponis wrote: > Seen on slashdot today: > http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=01/04/22/0056207&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=80 > > "We should all keep in mind this simple truth: *BSD is dying. > > You don't need to be Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand > writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there > won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are > looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD > continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. > > Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers. > > OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How > many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD > versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to > 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts > on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore > there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at > about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are > (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the > number of FreeBSD Usenet posts. > > Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, > FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell > another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to > another charnel house. > > All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market > share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are > very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyists, > dabblers, and dilettantes. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of > a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical > purposes, *BSD is dead. " Fact: trolls are facing hard times. Fact: trolls are dying. This one is dead, but hasn't noticed it yet. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Aug 18 17:49:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D7237B41A; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.ovis.net (ns1.ovis.net [207.0.147.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F057843E6E; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 17:49:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chromexa@ovis.net) Received: from 207.0.147.68 (s1.pm5.ovis.net [207.0.147.68]) by ns1.ovis.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 037023B12; Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: chromexa From: chromexa@ovis.net To: Jordan K Hubbard , Terry Lambert Cc: Andy , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: re: Re: Hotmail (was Re: Insider's scoop: Why FreeBSD is dying) Date: 18 Aug 2002 20:57:39 -0500 X-Mailer: NeoPlanet Version: 5.2.0.1561 X-ID: 3BEB18605EB911D3BC29444553540000 X-Brand: NeoPlanet X-Build: 1561 Message-Id: <20020819004847.037023B12@ns1.ovis.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ** Original Subject: Re: Hotmail (was Re: Insider's scoop: Why FreeBSD is dying) > ** Original Sender: Jordan K Hubbard > ** Original Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:43:25 -0400 (EDT) > ** Original Message follows... > > Can we maybe stop debating this and just have our postmaster do what he > can to filter this kind of noise out? Recycled slashdot trolls are > hardly the kind of content we want to see on hackers@freebsd.org and > what goes on in IRC has been repeatedly made clear to have nothing to > do with the project on any official basis, so we don't need discussions > of IRC behavior on hackers either. If we took it up in -hackers every > time somebody dissed somebody else in IRC, we'd never have the > bandwidth to discuss anything else. > > Filters? Please? Enough is enough. > > - Jordan > > On Sunday, August 18, 2002, at 10:34 AM, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Andy wrote: > >> Remember that Hotmail is a part of MSN, and they would have a need > >> for that > >> many IP addresses, what with their "Internet content" service. > > > > Oh, I could definitely see Microsoft needing a lot of VIPs; they > > would need one per unique, deployed services, and potentially one > > per "branding" partner (depends on whether they expect a modern > > browser -- "Host:" being set correctly for virtual hosting). I'm > > "pretty sure", that they have other address blocks, as well. 8-). > > > > For service availability, though, they would only really need a > > small number of VIPs per colocation facility, for a large and > > distributed service (basically, one per redundant virtual circuit > > path for initial distribution). > > > > So if they were widely deployed, you would expect maybe 8 VIPs > > per colocation facility... but you would not expect them to be > > in a large, contiguous netblock: you'd expect them to be 8 here, > > and 8 there, etc., based on geographic location. > > > > It's actually my understanding (I'm willing to be corrected here) > > that HotMail is pretty centrally served, because of the protocols > > involved, and because of their architecture. > > > > Anyway, I guess if I could get a full class B, I'd have one, and > > I wouldn't be questioning *why* someone had been willing to give > > it to me. 8-) 8-). It just seemed mighty strange. > > > > -- Terry > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > -- > Jordan K. Hubbard > Engineering Manager, BSD technology group > Apple Computer > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > Pithy short comment that can seldom do. Well to expand on the Mark Twain saying, "News of the Demise of *BSD is greatly exaggerated." News of the demise of many people, places or things often is very exaggerated. As long as it doesn't spark endless messages. 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(envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: phk's JKH list From: Poul-Henning Kamp Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:42:24 +0200 Message-ID: <3592.1029771744@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've started to type in my mental sticky notes, have at it: http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/TODO/ -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 19 8:51:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C31337B42C; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from theinternet.com.au (c16543.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [210.49.135.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB7843F41; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 08:49:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from akm@theinternet.com.au) Received: (from akm@localhost) by theinternet.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g7JFnpg35569; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:49:51 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from akm) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:49:51 +1000 From: Andrew Kenneth Milton To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: phk's JKH list Message-ID: <20020819154950.GG2416@zeus.theinternet.com.au> References: <3592.1029771744@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3592.1029771744@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG +-------[ Poul-Henning Kamp ]---------------------- | | I've started to type in my mental sticky notes, have at it: | | http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/TODO/ Unfortunate choice of acronym there d8) -- Totally Holistic Enterprises Internet| | Andrew Milton The Internet (Aust) Pty Ltd | M:+61 416 022 411 | ACN: 082 081 472 ABN: 83 082 081 472 |akm@theinternet.com.au| Carpe Daemon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 19 9:48: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C21137B401; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from baraca.united.net.ua (ns.united.net.ua [193.111.8.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11AFD43E3B; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:48:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from vega.vega.com (xDSL-2-2.united.net.ua [193.111.9.226] (may be forged)) by baraca.united.net.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7JGluZ32737; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:47:56 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (big_brother.vega.com [192.168.1.1]) by vega.vega.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JGloYR053225; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:47:50 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <3D612173.E884E37D@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:48:51 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,uk,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: phk's JKH list References: <3592.1029771744@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > I've started to type in my mental sticky notes, have at it: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/TODO/ Could you please modify reference to each of the tasks to be link to the list of the relevant patches available so far, so that anybody who wants to pick up the task will have something to start from? For example, I have bunch of v_tag cleanup patches sitting in my local tree and ready to share them with anybody willing to continue where I left off. -Maxim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 19 10:10:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF1737B400; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BAC43E81; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:10:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g7JH7TRo004950; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:07:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Maxim Sobolev Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: phk's JKH list In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:48:51 +0300." <3D612173.E884E37D@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:07:29 +0200 Message-ID: <4949.1029776849@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <3D612173.E884E37D@FreeBSD.org>, Maxim Sobolev writes: >Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >> I've started to type in my mental sticky notes, have at it: >> >> http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/TODO/ > >Could you please modify reference to each of the tasks to be link to >the list of the relevant patches available so far, so that anybody who >wants to pick up the task will have something to start from? For >example, I have bunch of v_tag cleanup patches sitting in my local >tree and ready to share them with anybody willing to continue where I >left off. Send me the link and I'll add it. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 19 10:25:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418A937B400; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from baraca.united.net.ua (ns.united.net.ua [193.111.8.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9041143E42; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:25:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from vega.vega.com (xDSL-2-2.united.net.ua [193.111.9.226] (may be forged)) by baraca.united.net.ua (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7JHPHZ34061; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:25:17 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (big_brother.vega.com [192.168.1.1]) by vega.vega.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JHPBYR053378; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:25:11 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <3D612A34.BCB0B949@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:26:12 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,uk,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, audit@FreeBSD.org, Alexander Litvin , Andriy Gapon Subject: Re: Thread-safe resolver [patches for review] References: <3D578A99.F0821712@FreeBSD.org> <3D5792CD.497C80F0@mindspring.com> <3D57A9D4.DAA043EF@FreeBSD.org> <3D57CF6D.2982CE8@mindspring.com> <3D58BFE8.9281433@FreeBSD.org> <3D58C359.A5F7B1AA@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > > [...] > > > The assumption (which is potentially wrong) is that the program > > > will correctly shut down all its threads, when in fact it was a > > > module not under the programs control that created and used the > > > threads. > > > > I do not quite agree. In such case, the module should probably have > > destructor function, either placed into the fini section, or to be > > explicitly called by the program before dlclose(). > > Uh, that's exactly the argument I was making: use a .fini section > to clean up the per thread memory allocations. > 8-). I am not sure how you can get from a .fini section list of per-thread dynamically allocated storages, without resorting to inspecting inner implementation details of pthread_{set,get}specific(3). Any ideas? -Maxim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 19 10:46:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7A837B400 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-relay-2.adobe.com (smtp-relay-2.adobe.com [192.150.11.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F7943E6A for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:46:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gardner.buchanan@adobe.com) Received: from inner-relay-1.corp.adobe.com (inner-relay-1 [153.32.1.51]) by smtp-relay-2.adobe.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7JHhSvJ011850 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rossini.can.adobe.com (rossini [172.16.2.28]) by inner-relay-1.corp.adobe.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7JHkUuE011867 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 10:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rossini.accelio.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:45:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: Gardner Buchanan To: "'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: CAM "wiring", LUNs and duplicate wired entries Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:45:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Recently I've noticed that the SCSI ID "wiring" logic is missidentifying duplicate IDs with seperate LUNs as "duplicates": my kernel config says this: # Wired down SCSI unit numbers. # device scbus0 at sym0 device da0 at scbus0 target 3 unit 0 device cd0 at scbus0 target 3 unit 1 device da1 at scbus0 target 6 device da2 at scbus0 target 9 Here cd0 and da0 have the same bus and target, but are different LUNs. The probe messages look like this: Aug 18 17:26:38 akbar /kernel: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE #7: Sat Aug 17 19:19:11 EDT 2002 ... Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: Waiting 3 seconds for SCSI devices to settle Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: (noperiph:sym0:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: (da0:sym0:0:3:0): Duplicate Wired Device entry! Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: (da0:sym0:0:3:0): Second device (da device at scbus0 target 8 lun 0) will not be wired Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: da3 at sym0 bus 0 target 8 lun 0 Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: da3: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: da3: 20.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: da3: 2050MB (4199760 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 261C) Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: da2 at sym0 bus 0 target 9 lun 0 Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: da2: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 16, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: da2: 4341MB (8890760 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 553C) Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: da1 at sym0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: da1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: da1: 1003MB (2054864 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 1003C) Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da1s1a Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: cd0 at sym0 bus 0 target 3 lun 1 Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: cd0: 5.000MB/s transfers (5.000MHz, offset 8) Aug 18 17:26:40 akbar /kernel: cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present Aug 18 17:26:40 akbar /kernel: da0 at sym0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0 Aug 18 17:26:40 akbar /kernel: da0: Removable Optical SCSI-2 device Aug 18 17:26:40 akbar /kernel: da0: 5.000MB/s transfers (5.000MHz, offset 8) Aug 18 17:26:40 akbar /kernel: da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present As near as I can make out, the code in cam_periph.c doesn't take into account LUN when testing for duplicates. I seem to be getting the correct wired value though. My understanding is I should get cd1, rather than cd0, if the "wired" cd0 doesn't probe properly. Am I missing the boat on how wiring is meant to work? See you, Gardner Buchanan Adobe Systems Canada +1 613 751 4800 x5635 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 19 12:57:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691DE37B400; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BEAC43E65; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:57:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0621.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.200.111] helo=mindspring.com) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17gseq-0000Os-00; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:57:48 -0700 Message-ID: <3D614D83.3B08815B@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:56:51 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: phk's JKH list References: <3592.1029771744@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > I've started to type in my mental sticky notes, have at it: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~phk/TODO/ | Kernel stack depth warning. | | Write a function which checks the amount of kernel stack used and | print a warning if it exceeds a sysctl-able limit. | The inserted calls should compile to nothing unless the right kernel | options is used. | Instrument the kernel strategically and examine the result. If this is just for testing purposes, then you probably want to look at `-finstrument-functions'; by ensuring that stacks are all aligned on an 8K or so boundary, you can write small assembly functions named: void __cyg_profile_func_enter (void *this_fn, void *call_site); void __cyg_profile_func_exit (void *this_fn, void *call_site); And check the stack pointer against the previous alignment address (example: stack address mod 8K := current stack depth). I've used these for non-statistical profiling (e.g. recording specific arc's in gprof-usable buckets for kernel profiling, rather than relying on a statistics clock and the current PC), but the principle should work the same for this purpose. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 19 13:27:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9665037B400 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA69143E6A for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:27:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: from panzer.kdm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panzer.kdm.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JKR8KD089666; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:27:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JKR8Hj089665; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:27:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:27:08 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Gardner Buchanan Cc: "'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: CAM "wiring", LUNs and duplicate wired entries Message-ID: <20020819142708.A89419@panzer.kdm.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="opJtzjQTFsWo+cga" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from gardner.buchanan@adobe.com on Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 01:45:52PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 13:45:52 -0400, Gardner Buchanan wrote: > Recently I've noticed that the SCSI ID "wiring" logic is missidentifying > duplicate IDs with seperate LUNs as "duplicates": my kernel config says > this: > > # Wired down SCSI unit numbers. > # > device scbus0 at sym0 > device da0 at scbus0 target 3 unit 0 > device cd0 at scbus0 target 3 unit 1 > device da1 at scbus0 target 6 > device da2 at scbus0 target 9 > > Here cd0 and da0 have the same bus and target, but are different LUNs. The > probe messages look like this: > > Aug 18 17:26:38 akbar /kernel: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE #7: Sat Aug 17 19:19:11 > EDT 2002 > ... > Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: Waiting 3 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: (noperiph:sym0:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset > delivered > Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: (da0:sym0:0:3:0): Duplicate Wired Device > entry! > Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: (da0:sym0:0:3:0): Second device (da device at > scbus0 target 8 lun 0) will not be wired > Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: da3 at sym0 bus 0 target 8 lun 0 > Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: da3: Fixed Direct > Access SCSI-2 device > Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: da3: 20.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset > 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled > Aug 18 17:26:39 akbar /kernel: da3: 2050MB (4199760 512 byte sectors: 255H > 63S/T 261C) [ ... ] > Aug 18 17:26:40 akbar /kernel: da0 at sym0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0 > Aug 18 17:26:40 akbar /kernel: da0: Removable > Optical SCSI-2 device > Aug 18 17:26:40 akbar /kernel: da0: 5.000MB/s transfers (5.000MHz, offset 8) > Aug 18 17:26:40 akbar /kernel: da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT > READY, Medium not present > > As near as I can make out, the code in cam_periph.c doesn't take into > account LUN when testing for duplicates. I seem to be getting the correct > wired value though. My understanding is I should get cd1, rather than cd0, > if the "wired" cd0 doesn't probe properly. I don't think that's the problem. I think the problem is that the device at target 8 is getting identified to camperiphnextunit() as a wired device, when it isn't. Try the attached patch and see if it fixes things for you. I haven't tried compiling or running this, so beware. > Am I missing the boat on how wiring is meant to work? I don't think so. It may be that you should use 'lun 0' instead of 'unit 0', but that isn't the source of your problem in this case. (The code looks for 'lun', not 'unit', but I don't know whether 'unit' is aliased to 'lun' somewhere or other.) Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="cam_periph.c.stable.20020819" ==== //depot/FreeBSD-ken-RELENG_4/src/sys/cam/cam_periph.c#1 - /usr/home/ken/perforce/FreeBSD-ken-RELENG_4/src/sys/cam/cam_periph.c ==== *** /tmp/tmp.576.0 Mon Aug 19 14:23:24 2002 --- /usr/home/ken/perforce/FreeBSD-ken-RELENG_4/src/sys/cam/cam_periph.c Mon Aug 19 14:23:12 2002 *************** *** 335,341 **** periph_name = p_drv->driver_name; snprintf(pathbuf, sizeof(pathbuf), "scbus%d", pathid); i = -1; ! while ((i = resource_locate(i, periph_name)) != -1) { dname = resource_query_name(i); dunit = resource_query_unit(i); if (resource_string_value(dname, dunit, "at", &strval) == 0) { --- 335,341 ---- periph_name = p_drv->driver_name; snprintf(pathbuf, sizeof(pathbuf), "scbus%d", pathid); i = -1; ! for (hit = 0; (i = resource_locate(i, periph_name)) != -1; hit = 0) { dname = resource_query_name(i); dunit = resource_query_unit(i); if (resource_string_value(dname, dunit, "at", &strval) == 0) { --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 19 13:44:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E999337B400; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C0043E72; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:44:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-209.247.137.16.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.247.137.16] helo=mindspring.com) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17gtNs-0000Ay-00; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:44:20 -0700 Message-ID: <3D61586C.5938BF99@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:43:24 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maxim Sobolev Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, audit@FreeBSD.org, Alexander Litvin , Andriy Gapon Subject: Re: Thread-safe resolver [patches for review] References: <3D578A99.F0821712@FreeBSD.org> <3D5792CD.497C80F0@mindspring.com> <3D57A9D4.DAA043EF@FreeBSD.org> <3D57CF6D.2982CE8@mindspring.com> <3D58BFE8.9281433@FreeBSD.org> <3D58C359.A5F7B1AA@mindspring.com> <3D612A34.BCB0B949@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Maxim Sobolev wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > [...] > > > > The assumption (which is potentially wrong) is that the program > > > > will correctly shut down all its threads, when in fact it was a > > > > module not under the programs control that created and used the > > > > threads. > > > > > > I do not quite agree. In such case, the module should probably have > > > destructor function, either placed into the fini section, or to be > > > explicitly called by the program before dlclose(). > > > > Uh, that's exactly the argument I was making: use a .fini section > > to clean up the per thread memory allocations. > > 8-). > > I am not sure how you can get from a .fini section list of per-thread > dynamically allocated storages, without resorting to inspecting inner > implementation details of pthread_{set,get}specific(3). Any ideas? The easiest approach is explicit registration of the allocations at the time they occur. For kernel threads, this would probably involve mutex protection of the list, but for user space threads, you could just do unprotected insertion/deletion. The best example code for this at present is the per thread exception stack management code for C++. Unfortunately, the EGCS implementation is much worse than the GCC 2.95/2.96 patch that Jeremey Allison did back when we were working on porting the ACAP code to G++, so you have to eat the overhead, even in non-threaded programs, rather than dynamically attaching the allocation in thread startup (i.e. unthreaded programs eat threads overhead in the current scheme of things). Unless you went to a dynamic registration (with the mutex), yes, you'd have to modify pthread_get_specific(), or provide a weak symbol with a per .so strong wrapper to trap and record allocations. I'm not sure if that's really necessary, though. It is not so necessary that the allocations end up not being visible to the address space of other threads, as it is that they simply be discretely per thread (e.g. you don't have to protect against non-marshalled access by another thread). This gets us back to the discussion of whether it's safe to hand the results of a "resolve this" operation by a resolver worker thread off to another thread without copying it. If the result was local to the address space of the thread, then you'd get automatically protected (if you handed it off without a copy to the global heap, when you went to reference it, you'd core dump). This has some advantages, but I think it's too specific to the implementation details of threading on a particular OS (i.e. FreeBSD does not have seperate memory mappings per thread, like Windows does, and Windows only does for objects created *after* a thread is created, since allocations since main startup are not retroactively removed from the copy of the address space, etc.). Personally, I'd just intern the allocations, e.g.: struct foo { /* object I want to be per thread */ ... }; struct wrap_foo { /* intern version of object */ struct foo x; /* coerce and return this value */ SLIST_ENTRY(restrack) res_link; /* intern list */ }; And then insert each per thread allocation on a per object type list that is traversed by the function called by the module .fini. Realize, though, the the whole idea of per thread allocations in order to get around the "_r" problem is bogus if you get more than a small number of threads. If you had (for example) 10,000 threads, all calling the resolver, then you'd end up with 10,000 per thread allocations. If that happened, you'd probably be a *lot* better off explicitly using "_r" routines, and forcing the user to manage the allocations (and deallocations). This is probably automatic on the stack, anyway, which means it's memory that the caller doesn't have to explicitly track. Of course, if the user is writing code like that, it's probably not an issue, since they will end up leaking the memory somewhere else, given that they write bad code. ;^). Really, this is just to get around legacy interfaces that return a pointer to static storage, and which can't simply be murdered because of their presence in standards (same goes for strncpy). Ideally, the interface would never have done this in the first place. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 19 13:53:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 619E537B400 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D13643E65 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:53:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-209.247.137.16.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.247.137.16] helo=mindspring.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17gtWk-0003Nr-00; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:53:30 -0700 Message-ID: <3D615A91.EE7E8058@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:52:33 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: Gardner Buchanan , "'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: CAM "wiring", LUNs and duplicate wired entries References: <20020819142708.A89419@panzer.kdm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: > I don't think that's the problem. I think the problem is that the device > at target 8 is getting identified to camperiphnextunit() as a wired device, > when it isn't. > > Try the attached patch and see if it fixes things for you. > > I haven't tried compiling or running this, so beware. That's some sneaky code. 8-). If this works and you commit it, can you add an expository comment? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 19 13:55:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC9737B400 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A96F43E6E for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:55:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: from panzer.kdm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panzer.kdm.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7JKtcKD089990; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:55:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7JKtcJw089989; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:55:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:55:38 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Terry Lambert Cc: Gardner Buchanan , "'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: CAM "wiring", LUNs and duplicate wired entries Message-ID: <20020819145538.A89963@panzer.kdm.org> References: <20020819142708.A89419@panzer.kdm.org> <3D615A91.EE7E8058@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3D615A91.EE7E8058@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 01:52:33PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 13:52:33 -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: > > I don't think that's the problem. I think the problem is that the device > > at target 8 is getting identified to camperiphnextunit() as a wired device, > > when it isn't. > > > > Try the attached patch and see if it fixes things for you. > > > > I haven't tried compiling or running this, so beware. > > > That's some sneaky code. 8-). If this works and you commit it, > can you add an expository comment? Maybe. Peter Wemm wrote the hardwiring code, and would likely be in a slightly better position to explain it. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 19 13:58:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B6D37B400 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E4E43E72 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:58:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-209.247.137.16.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.247.137.16] helo=mindspring.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17gtbm-0003I0-00; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:58:42 -0700 Message-ID: <3D615BC9.8DB86A3D@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:57:45 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: Gardner Buchanan , "'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: CAM "wiring", LUNs and duplicate wired entries References: <20020819142708.A89419@panzer.kdm.org> <3D615A91.EE7E8058@mindspring.com> <20020819145538.A89963@panzer.kdm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: > > That's some sneaky code. 8-). If this works and you commit it, > > can you add an expository comment? > > Maybe. Peter Wemm wrote the hardwiring code, and would likely be in a > slightly better position to explain it. I meant your abuse of the prefix and predicate statements in the "for" loop you replaced the "while" with. But if you can get Peter to document the rest of it, so much the better. 8-) 8-). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Aug 19 17:47:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8A537B400 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.1u.ca (216.126.94.36 [216.126.94.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D34643E3B for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:47:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul.james@1u.ca) Received: (qmail 1541 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2002 00:47:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO panda.FreeBSDsystems.COM) (192.168.0.1) by 192.168.0.220 with SMTP; 20 Aug 2002 00:47:27 -0000 Subject: PXE and ftp install From: Paul James To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 19 Aug 2002 20:47:28 -0400 Message-Id: <1029804448.6461.60.camel@panda.FreeBSDsystems.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I am wondering if anyone has any experience using PXE installs via ftp. The problem encountered is when trying using mediaSetFTP with a valid ftp site, the URL menu window shows up instead. If using NFS as the mediaSet, that works without any problems. Looking at jkh's example in /release/install.cfg the only difference from what is below is the ftp site. nameserver=192.168.0.1 defaultrouter=192.168.0.1 ipaddr=192.168.0.100 netmask=255.255.255.0 _ftpPath=ftp://ftp.1u.ca/pub/FreeBSD netDev=fxp0 mediaSetFTP Can anyone shed some light on this? Thanks, Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 0: 5:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CDC37B400 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DF843E6A for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:05:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342CF2A7D6; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:05:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: Terry Lambert , Gardner Buchanan , "'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: CAM "wiring", LUNs and duplicate wired entries In-Reply-To: <20020819145538.A89963@panzer.kdm.org> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:05:33 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20020820070533.342CF2A7D6@canning.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: > On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 13:52:33 -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > > "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: > > > I don't think that's the problem. I think the problem is that the device > > > at target 8 is getting identified to camperiphnextunit() as a wired devic e, > > > when it isn't. > > > > > > Try the attached patch and see if it fixes things for you. > > > > > > I haven't tried compiling or running this, so beware. > > > > > > That's some sneaky code. 8-). If this works and you commit it, > > can you add an expository comment? > > Maybe. Peter Wemm wrote the hardwiring code, and would likely be in a > slightly better position to explain it. Actually, Justin implemented the original design, I just changed the underlying mechanism that it uses. It still uses Justin's algorithms but looks in different places for the source data. I sort-of understand it, but it has been a while since I looked at it. :-) Regarding the patch, yes, it does look like the 'hit = 0' should go inside the loop. I would have done it more explicitly though, eg: +++ cam_periph.c 2002/08/20 06:48:50 @@ -332,3 +332,2 @@ unit = 0; - hit = 0; @@ -338,2 +337,3 @@ while ((i = resource_locate(i, periph_name)) != -1) { + hit = 0; dname = resource_query_name(i); The same problem is on -current too. It is probably worth changing "hit" to "wired" since that is what it means. I think this bug came from an earlier verson of the changes where this was a multi-layered loop, and the resetting of 'hit' got moved too far out when it collapsed to a single loop. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 1:53: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C0C37B400 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from star.rila.bg (star.rila.bg [62.73.64.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A58343E72 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:52:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vladimirt@rila.bg) Received: from star.rila.bg (vlady@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by star.rila.bg (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g7K8pV7Y048064 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:52:35 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from vladimirt@rila.bg) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:51:31 +0300 From: Vladimir Terziev To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Problem building -STABLE Message-Id: <20020820115131.2ac2edb0.vladimirt@rila.bg> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-unknown-freebsd4.6.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi hackers, I've cvsupped my 4.6.1-RC2 machine to -STABLE (I suppose it will be 4.6.2-STABLE). When I tryed to make buildworld I've got an error: cc -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/src/usr.bin/colldef -I/usr/src/usr.bin/colldef/../../lib/libc/locale -DCOLLATE_DEBUG -DYY_NO_UNPUT -D__FBSDID=__RCSID -c scan.c In file included from /usr/src/usr.bin/colldef/scan.l:40: /usr/src/usr.bin/colldef/y.tab.h:15: `STR_LEN' undeclared here (not in a function) *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/usr.bin/colldef. *** Error code 1 I look at the code and saw STR_LEN is defined in collate.h which is included in scan.c before y.tab.h . I ran gcc -E scan.c and saw that collate.h isn't included for any reason ?!? What is the problem? Any ideas? Vladimir To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 4:39:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555DE37B400 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web21504.mail.yahoo.com (web21504.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AC5E43E4A for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:39:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mbilekic@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20020820113908.90626.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.132.153.94] by web21504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:39:08 BST Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:39:08 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Mosko=20Bilekic?= Subject: Why did FreeBSD fail? To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gentlemen, it's time to explain why FreeBSD is such a failure. In the following lines, David O'Brien explains why 5.0 is such a POS... <@motminh> -current is a fucking piece of shit right now. <@Keltia> hi motminh < gordont> motminh: no, it's just shitty for you, I just updated fine <@motminh> gordont: try using mucho scsi disks + IPFW <@motminh> gordont: isp(4) is shit. <@motminh> gordont: Oh, and on an SMP box <@motminh> gordont: we haven't been stable since June 27th (just before ipfw2 hit). * motminh *just* got a ffs block not freed panic with an hour old kernel. < gordont> motminh: hmm, well I can't attest for isp or ipfw, but my smp box works fine <@motminh> gordont: if I use an isp controller I can't even make it to single user <@motminh> gordont: you have a single ide disk in it? <@motminh> gordont: please do. <@motminh> gordont: we have noone (few) stress testing -current right now. <@motminh> for many the test is a basic PC and "make world". < gordont> motminh: I have to get FC down to my EMC box first though <@motminh> I hear more and more developers that only have a -current shitbox to make sure something compiles that was developed on -stable before they commit it to -current. < gordont> motminh: well, I'm proud to say my desktop at work is running -CURRENT <@motminh> Keltia: awake? <@Keltia> motminh: yes <@motminh> Keltia: are you running -current on your SMP box? <@Keltia> motminh: I'm afraid not <@motminh> Keltia: have you even seen the "launching CPU #1" message get fucked up in the middle of SCSI probe output? <@Keltia> motminh: I think I have seen it yes <@motminh> anordby: you have to `make depend' first. <@motminh> anordby: 1/2 ass commits broke building kernels <@anordby> motminh: hrrm ok <@anordby> motminh: i have a -current testing box that i intend to make rebuild world+kernel every night.. automatically from pxe installs. :) <@Keltia> motminh: still there ? <@motminh> 7ep <@motminh> Keltia: my box hasn't been stable enough <@motminh> Keltia: the /bin/sh bug that fubar'ed |'s kept me from build many ports <@Keltia> motminh: when you'll be able to try gcc33, see my message in -current --------------------------------- As you see, -CURRENT has been totally broken for almost two months now. And don't get me started on -STABLE. FreeBSD 4.x is such a joke... enterprise ready my ass! The other big problem that the FreeBSD project faces is that a lot of developers prefer to waste time flaming instead of coding. Mike Smith knew that, that's why he left. Jordan Hubbard is an asshole btw. As always, some greetings... Juli Mallett, sorry for the typo :) David O'Brien, you're a great hacker, but a real asshole Matt Dillon, I had a lot of respect for you until you replied to the Pythonstein troll, you SUCK Greg Lehey, MORON, don't feed the trolls! Alfred Perlstein, drunktard Hiten Pandya, IMBECILE Bosko Milekic, if I ever meet you, I'll kick your ass! Paul Saab, asshole Bill Fumerola, FUCK YOU Will Andrews, I suggest you join a real project Diane Bruce, the reason I never mentioned you is that you're so fucking ugly I felt sorry for you :) Yours, Mosko __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 4:47:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F5B37B400 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from insomnia.spc.org (insomnia.spc.org [195.224.94.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 26C5A43E72 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:47:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bms@insomnia.spc.org) Received: (qmail 18199 invoked by uid 1031); 20 Aug 2002 04:20:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:20:52 +0000 From: Bruce M Simpson To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Trolls Message-ID: <20020820042052.GI12318@spc.org> Mail-Followup-To: Bruce M Simpson , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Guys, Getting a bit sick of this, can someone identify the protagonists and set up the necessary filters on mailhub please? Thanks - I will begin making judicious use of Mutt's spam key in the meantime. BMS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 4:55: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10BB37B400 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate2.rila.bg (ns.rila.bg [62.73.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C00E43E77 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:54:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mitko@rila.bg) Received: FROM mobilin.rila.bg BY gate2.rila.bg ; Tue Aug 20 14:54:47 2002 +0300 Received: from mobilin.rila.bg (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mobilin.rila.bg (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id g7KBtFvY005218 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:55:15 +0300 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by mobilin.rila.bg (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g7KBt4xk005217 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:55:04 +0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Dimitar Peikov Reply-To: mitko@rila.bg Organization: RILA Solutions To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 4.6.1-rc2 booting Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:55:04 +0300 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200208201455.04358.mitko@rila.bg> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I donwloaded 4.6.1-rc2.ISO and tried to install it on machine with Solari= s 8. Instalation went perfect, except that after booting FreeBSD boot-manager=20 allows only to boot from Solaris x86 partition (1st partition). I can sta= rt=20 FreeBSD from /dev/ad0s3a when boot from installation CDROM, but not from = hard=20 disk. Even on hand I've started=20 boot0cfg -B -m 0xf -s 3 ad0 and disklabel -w -B /dev/ad0s3 but the effect were the same. Only the default slice moved from 1 to 3=20 (prompt: Default: F3).=20 Did someone achieve similar problem and had it find some workaround. Here is the output of fdisk on this 10G hard disk. bsd# fdisk /dev/ad0 ******* Working on device /dev/ad0 ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=3D1247 heads=3D255 sectors/track=3D63 (16065 blks/cyl) Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=3D1247 heads=3D255 sectors/track=3D63 (16065 blks/cyl) Media sector size is 512 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 1 is: sysid 190,(unknown) start 1008, size 21168 (10 Meg), flag 0 beg: cyl 0/ head 16/ sector 1; end: cyl 1/ head 96/ sector 63 The data for partition 2 is: sysid 130,(Linux swap or Solaris x86) start 22496, size 10000048 (4882 Meg), flag 0 beg: cyl 1/ head 102/ sector 6; end: cyl 623/ head 222/ sector 63 The data for partition 3 is: sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 10022544, size 10010511 (4887 Meg), flag 80 (active) beg: cyl 623/ head 223/ sector 1; end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63 The data for partition 4 is: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 4:56:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E343137B400; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.southeast.rr.com (smtp2.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D204143E6E; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 04:56:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bts@fake.com) Received: from mail8.nc.rr.com (fe8 [24.93.67.55]) by smtp2.southeast.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g7KBvXtu015232; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from this.is.fake.com ([24.162.238.30]) by mail8.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:56:45 -0400 Received: by this.is.fake.com (Postfix, from userid 111) id A5A60BA12; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Brian T. Schellenberger" To: Mosko Bilekic , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why did FreeBSD fail? Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:56:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.2 Cc: chat@freebsd.org References: <20020820113908.90626.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020820113908.90626.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200208200756.25370.bts@babbleon.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 20 August 2002 07:39 am, Mosko Bilekic wrote: | Gentlemen, it's time to explain why FreeBSD is such a | failure. | | In the following lines, David O'Brien explains why 5.0 | is such a POS... : | The other big problem that the FreeBSD project faces | is that a lot of developers prefer to waste time | flaming instead of coding. Mike Smith knew that, | that's why he left. Jordan Hubbard is an asshole btw. | | As always, some greetings... | | Juli Mallett, sorry for the typo :) | David O'Brien, you're a great hacker, but a real | asshole | Matt Dillon, I had a lot of respect for you until you | replied to the Pythonstein troll, you SUCK | Greg Lehey, MORON, don't feed the trolls! | Alfred Perlstein, drunktard | Hiten Pandya, IMBECILE | Bosko Milekic, if I ever meet you, I'll kick your ass! | Paul Saab, asshole | Bill Fumerola, FUCK YOU | Will Andrews, I suggest you join a real project | Diane Bruce, the reason I never mentioned you is that | you're so fucking ugly I felt sorry for you :) | | Yours, | Mosko On behalf of everybody even remotely involved with FreeBSD*, I'd like to thank you for this wonderful contribution to raising the level of debate. You have truly set a shining example of the way to move forward productively. If only everybody else could emulate your example then this problem that "a lot of developers prefer to waste time flaming instead of coding" would quickly be solved. -- Brian, the man from Babble-On . . . . bts@babbleon.org (personal) *And I certainly qualify since I'm *very* remotely involved in FreeBSD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 5:18:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B58337B400; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:18:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay2.softcomca.com (relay2.softcomca.com [168.144.1.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A953D43E42; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:18:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chromexa@ovis.net) Received: from M2W062.mail2web.com ([168.144.108.62]) by relay2.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:18:13 -0400 Message-ID: <294010-220028220121813894@M2W062.mail2web.com> X-EM-Version: 6, 0, 0, 3 X-EM-Registration: #00E0641810D91B008120 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: chromexa@ovis.net X-Originating-IP: 207.0.147.85 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "chromexa@ovis.net" To: mbilekic@yahoo.co.uk, hackers@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Cc: chromexa@ovis.net Subject: RE: Why did FreeBSD fail? Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:18:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2002 12:18:13.0904 (UTC) FILETIME=[A80A2100:01C24843] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Original Message: ----------------- From: Mosko Bilekic mbilekic@yahoo=2Eco=2Euk Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:39:08 +0100 (BST) To: hackers@freebsd=2Eorg, chat@freebsd=2Eorg Subject: Why did FreeBSD fail? Gentlemen, it's time to explain why FreeBSD is such a failure=2E In the following lines, David O'Brien explains why 5=2E0 is such a POS=2E=2E=2E <@motminh> -current is a fucking piece of shit right now=2E <@Keltia> hi motminh=20 < gordont> motminh: no, it's just shitty for you, I just updated fine <@motminh> gordont: try using mucho scsi disks + IPFW <@motminh> gordont: isp(4) is shit=2E <@motminh> gordont: Oh, and on an SMP box <@motminh> gordont: we haven't been stable since June 27th (just before ipfw2 hit)=2E * motminh *just* got a ffs block not freed panic with an hour old kernel=2E < gordont> motminh: hmm, well I can't attest for isp or ipfw, but my smp box works fine <@motminh> gordont: if I use an isp controller I can't even make it to single user <@motminh> gordont: you have a single ide disk in it? <@motminh> gordont: please do=2E <@motminh> gordont: we have noone (few) stress testing -current right now=2E <@motminh> for many the test is a basic PC and "make world"=2E < gordont> motminh: I have to get FC down to my EMC box first though <@motminh> I hear more and more developers that only have a -current shitbox to make sure something compiles that was developed on -stable before they commit it to -current=2E < gordont> motminh: well, I'm proud to say my desktop at work is running -CURRENT <@motminh> Keltia: awake? <@Keltia> motminh: yes <@motminh> Keltia: are you running -current on your SMP box? <@Keltia> motminh: I'm afraid not <@motminh> Keltia: have you even seen the "launching CPU #1" message get fucked up in the middle of SCSI probe output? <@Keltia> motminh: I think I have seen it yes <@motminh> anordby: you have to `make depend' first=2E <@motminh> anordby: 1/2 ass commits broke building kernels <@anordby> motminh: hrrm ok <@anordby> motminh: i have a -current testing box that i intend to make rebuild world+kernel every night=2E=2E automatically from pxe installs=2E :) <@Keltia> motminh: still there ? <@motminh> 7ep <@motminh> Keltia: my box hasn't been stable enough <@motminh> Keltia: the /bin/sh bug that fubar'ed |'s kept me from build many ports <@Keltia> motminh: when you'll be able to try gcc33, see my message in -current --------------------------------- As you see, -CURRENT has been totally broken for almost two months now=2E And don't get me started on -STABLE=2E FreeBSD 4=2Ex is such a joke=2E=2E=2E enterprise ready my ass! The other big problem that the FreeBSD project faces is that a lot of developers prefer to waste time flaming instead of coding=2E Mike Smith knew that, that's why he left=2E Jordan Hubbard is an asshole btw=2E As always, some greetings=2E=2E=2E Juli Mallett, sorry for the typo :) David O'Brien, you're a great hacker, but a real asshole Matt Dillon, I had a lot of respect for you until you replied to the Pythonstein troll, you SUCK Greg Lehey, MORON, don't feed the trolls! Alfred Perlstein, drunktard Hiten Pandya, IMBECILE Bosko Milekic, if I ever meet you, I'll kick your ass! Paul Saab, asshole Bill Fumerola, FUCK YOU Will Andrews, I suggest you join a real project Diane Bruce, the reason I never mentioned you is that you're so fucking ugly I felt sorry for you :) Yours, Mosko __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk=2Emy=2Eyahoo=2Ecom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD=2Eorg with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message Uggh, folks does it really help us with anything to fall to the level of personal insults? I mean I doubt projects fail because someone thinks someone else is ugly=2E I might buy "Uh, you look like such a scary scienc= e fiction monster no could work with you=2E=2E=2E" but that's pushing it=2E = It would be nice to hear good reasons why something works or doesn't=2E Not page af= ter page of personl invective=2E Have Fun, Sends Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 5:31:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1C337B400 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-relay-2.adobe.com (smtp-relay-2.adobe.com [192.150.11.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA49E43FC3 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:30:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gardner.buchanan@adobe.com) Received: from inner-relay-1.corp.adobe.com (inner-relay-1 [153.32.1.51]) by smtp-relay-2.adobe.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7KCSDvJ013377; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rossini.can.adobe.com (rossini [172.16.2.28]) by inner-relay-1.corp.adobe.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7KCVEuE027315; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 05:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rossini.accelio.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:30:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: Gardner Buchanan To: "'Kenneth D. Merry'" Cc: "'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: CAM "wiring", LUNs and duplicate wired entries Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:30:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Ken, > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenneth D. Merry [mailto:ken@kdm.org] > Sent: August 19, 2002 16:27 > Subject: Re: CAM "wiring", LUNs and duplicate wired entries > > > Try the attached patch and see if it fixes things for you. > Thanks for this patch. I've built a new kernel with this in place and all seems well; no Duplicate message and everything seems to be in the order I expected. See you, Gardner Buchanan Adobe Systems Canada +1 613 751 4800 x5635 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 6:39:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19B337B400 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86AD43E65 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:39:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: from panzer.kdm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panzer.kdm.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KDdnKD094059; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:39:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KDdfoL094058; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:39:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 07:39:41 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Peter Wemm Cc: Terry Lambert , Gardner Buchanan , "'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: CAM "wiring", LUNs and duplicate wired entries Message-ID: <20020820073941.A94031@panzer.kdm.org> References: <20020819145538.A89963@panzer.kdm.org> <20020820070533.342CF2A7D6@canning.wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020820070533.342CF2A7D6@canning.wemm.org>; from peter@wemm.org on Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 12:05:33AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 00:05:33 -0700, Peter Wemm wrote: > "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 13:52:33 -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: > > > > I don't think that's the problem. I think the problem is that the device > > > > at target 8 is getting identified to camperiphnextunit() as a wired devic > e, > > > > when it isn't. > > > > > > > > Try the attached patch and see if it fixes things for you. > > > > > > > > I haven't tried compiling or running this, so beware. > > > > > > > > > That's some sneaky code. 8-). If this works and you commit it, > > > can you add an expository comment? > > > > Maybe. Peter Wemm wrote the hardwiring code, and would likely be in a > > slightly better position to explain it. > > Actually, Justin implemented the original design, I just changed the > underlying mechanism that it uses. It still uses Justin's algorithms but > looks in different places for the source data. I sort-of understand it, > but it has been a while since I looked at it. :-) > > Regarding the patch, yes, it does look like the 'hit = 0' should go inside > the loop. I would have done it more explicitly though, eg: > > +++ cam_periph.c 2002/08/20 06:48:50 > @@ -332,3 +332,2 @@ > unit = 0; > - hit = 0; > > @@ -338,2 +337,3 @@ > while ((i = resource_locate(i, periph_name)) != -1) { > + hit = 0; > dname = resource_query_name(i); > > The same problem is on -current too. It is probably worth changing "hit" > to "wired" since that is what it means. > > I think this bug came from an earlier verson of the changes where this was > a multi-layered loop, and the resetting of 'hit' got moved too far out when > it collapsed to a single loop. Justin had the above fix in his local tree, but after discussing it we figured out that it wouldn't work in all cases. The reason is, if you hit a partial match at the end of the resource list, hit will still be set to something non-zero, since you won't be going back through the loop again to reset hit. Thus the reason for the for() loop -- it resets hit after each loop iteration. So hit is always 0 when camperiphnextunit() is invoked, unless you break out of the loop due to a match. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 8:15:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7341D37B401 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.brainbot.com (mail.brainbot.com [134.93.7.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C275D43E6E for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:15:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ralf@brainbot.com) Received: (qmail 30321 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2002 11:15:15 -0000 Received: from monster.brainbot.com (192.168.10.58) by heini.brainbot.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2002 11:15:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 5627 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Aug 2002 11:15:15 -0000 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: binary incompatible libc ??? From: ralf Date: 20 Aug 2002 13:15:15 +0200 Message-ID: <86fzx9ok70.fsf@monster.brainbot.com> Lines: 31 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, seems like libc version on 4.6 branch are binary incompatible. Doing a simple malloc fails, when compiled on a newer version. Linking with -static makes it work. Programs compiled on older version, work on the newer one: ralf@monster:~$ cat t.c #include #include int main() { if (!malloc(100)) { perror("malloc failed"); } return 0; } ralf@monster:~$ gcc -v; uname -a Using builtin specs. gcc version 2.95.4 20020320 [FreeBSD] FreeBSD monster.brainbot.com 4.6-STABLE FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE #19: Sun Aug 18 22:29:07 CEST 2002 ralf@monster.brainbot.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MONSTER i386 ralf@monster:~$ gcc t.c ralf@monster:~$ ./a.out ralf@monster:~$ ssh nibbler ralf@nibbler:~$ ./a.out malloc failed: Cannot allocate memory ralf@nibbler:~$ gcc -v; uname -a Using builtin specs. gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release) [FreeBSD] FreeBSD nibbler.brainbot.com 4.6-STABLE FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE #1: Mon Jun 17 23:07:53 CEST 2002 ralf@nibbler.brainbot.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 ralf@nibbler:~$ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 8:35:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3EF37B400 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4C443E3B for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:35:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: from panzer.kdm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by panzer.kdm.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7KFZLKD094663; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:35:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7KFZL7r094662; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:35:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:35:21 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Gardner Buchanan Cc: "'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: CAM "wiring", LUNs and duplicate wired entries Message-ID: <20020820093521.A94642@panzer.kdm.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from gardner.buchanan@adobe.com on Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 08:30:29AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 08:30:29 -0400, Gardner Buchanan wrote: > Hi Ken, > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kenneth D. Merry [mailto:ken@kdm.org] > > Sent: August 19, 2002 16:27 > > Subject: Re: CAM "wiring", LUNs and duplicate wired entries > > > > > > Try the attached patch and see if it fixes things for you. > > > > Thanks for this patch. I've built a new kernel with this in place and all > seems well; no Duplicate message and everything seems to be in the order I > expected. Thanks for the feedback, I'll get it committed. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 9:50: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B4D37B400 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se (mother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F108E43E42 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@ludd.luth.se) Received: from brother.ludd.luth.se (brother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.78]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g7KGo1401312 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:50:01 +0200 (MEST) From: Peter B Received: (from pb@localhost) by brother.ludd.luth.se (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) id g7KGo0n11593 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:50:00 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200208201650.g7KGo0n11593@brother.ludd.luth.se> Subject: GATOS + FreeBSD To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:49:59 +0200 (MEST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there any successful attempts with FreeBSD to use video-in on: Matrox G450 eTV (marvel.sourceforge.net) G400-TV ATI Radeon 7500/8500 w video-in (gatos.sf.net) Or any other AGP card with video input? All support seems very linux centric.. /P To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 10: 5: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5868537B400 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f260.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.20.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1270243E6E for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:05:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from moises_zanabria@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:05:01 -0700 Received: from 198.207.223.237 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:05:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.207.223.237] From: "Moises Zanabria" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: can anyone help me on this ?? Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:05:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2002 17:05:01.0979 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8D9FEB0:01C2486B] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Don't know if this is the correct list to ask this, I'm new in CVSUp and this is a newbie question, I have my Linux box , RedHat 7.3 CVS version 1.11.2 CVSup 16_1e and the following CVSup configuration: $pwd /usr2/CVSUp/cvsup_server/base/sup/test $ls -la test -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 34 Aug 16 11:52 releases -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 12 Aug 16 11:57 list.cvs $more releases cvs list=list.cvs prefix=/tmp/cvs_test/src $ more list.cvs upgrade bin $pwd /usr2/CVSUp/cvsup_server/base/sup/test when I run the server "/usr/local/sbin/cvsupd -b test" I got: 2002.08.20 08:48:06 CDT [26821]: CVSup server started 2002.08.20 08:48:06 CDT [26821]: Software version: SNAP_16_1e 2002.08.20 08:48:06 CDT [26821]: Protocol version: 17.0 2002.08.20 08:48:06 CDT [26821]: Ready to service requests Same machine: $pwd /usr2/CVSUp/client ls -lrt -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 97 Aug 19 10:30 supfile $more supfile *default host=localhost *default base=. *default release=cvs *default delete use-rel-suffix test $ cvsup supfile Connected to localhost Server message: Unknown collection "test" Skipping collection test/cvs Finished successfully In the Server. $ /usr/local/sbin/cvsupd -b test 2002.08.20 08:48:06 CDT [26821]: CVSup server started 2002.08.20 08:48:06 CDT [26821]: Software version: SNAP_16_1e 2002.08.20 08:48:06 CDT [26821]: Protocol version: 17.0 2002.08.20 08:48:06 CDT [26821]: Ready to service requests 2002.08.20 08:50:16 CDT [26821]: +0 myaccount@localhost.localdomain (mydomain) [SNAP_16_1e/17.0] 2002.08.20 08:50:16 CDT [26821]: =0 Unknown collection "test" 2002.08.20 08:50:16 CDT [26821]: -0 [0Kin+0Kout] Finished successfully 2002.08.20 08:50:16 CDT [26821]: Going down my repository have: $ls -lrt /tmp/cvs_test/src drwxrwxr-x 2 userid dev 1024 Aug 16 11:49 CVSROOT drwxr-xr-x 2 userid dev 1024 Aug 19 01:14 bin Directory that I want to mirror: ls -lrt /tmp/cvs_test/src/bin total 204 -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 48551 Aug 16 11:42 BUILDNOTES,v -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 741 Aug 16 11:42 cossdk.bat,v -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 104159 Aug 16 11:42 makefile,v -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 2109 Aug 16 11:42 create_dist.bat,v -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 2091 Aug 16 11:42 makefile.bridge,v -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 1515 Aug 16 11:42 makefile.dscore,v -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 1572 Aug 16 11:42 makefile.ds,v -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 4835 Aug 16 11:42 makefile.kmp,v -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 3192 Aug 16 11:42 makefile.project,v -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 6358 Aug 16 11:42 makefile.migration,v -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 5069 Aug 16 11:42 makefile.regression,v -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 18960 Aug 16 11:42 p4agent.dsw,v any Ideas what's wrong. Thanks for you help. Moises. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 10:37:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB8137B400 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:37:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clink.schulte.org (clink.schulte.org [209.134.156.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A4D43E86 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:37:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shane@shanekinney.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clink.schulte.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431B124414; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:37:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pinnacle.schulte.org (pinnacle.schulte.org [209.134.156.220]) by clink.schulte.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F58324412; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:37:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (shane@localhost) by pinnacle.schulte.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g7KHb3oV076329; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:37:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from shane@shanekinney.net) X-Authentication-Warning: pinnacle.schulte.org: shane owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:37:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Shane Kinney X-X-Sender: shane@pinnacle.schulte.org To: Moises Zanabria Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: can anyone help me on this ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020820123556.C76323-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12pre6 on clink.schulte.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Call me crazy, but this is a -FreeBSD- list. Maybe you should try talking to the RedHat people? On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Moises Zanabria wrote: > Don't know if this is the correct list to ask this, I'm new in CVSUp and > this is a newbie question, I have my Linux box , RedHat 7.3 > CVS version 1.11.2 > CVSup 16_1e > > and the following CVSup configuration: > > $pwd > /usr2/CVSUp/cvsup_server/base/sup/test > > $ls -la test > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 34 Aug 16 11:52 releases > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 12 Aug 16 11:57 list.cvs > > $more releases > cvs list=list.cvs prefix=/tmp/cvs_test/src > > $ more list.cvs > upgrade bin > > $pwd > /usr2/CVSUp/cvsup_server/base/sup/test > > when I run the server "/usr/local/sbin/cvsupd -b test" I got: > 2002.08.20 08:48:06 CDT [26821]: CVSup server started > 2002.08.20 08:48:06 CDT [26821]: Software version: SNAP_16_1e > 2002.08.20 08:48:06 CDT [26821]: Protocol version: 17.0 > 2002.08.20 08:48:06 CDT [26821]: Ready to service requests > > > Same machine: > $pwd > > /usr2/CVSUp/client > > ls -lrt > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 97 Aug 19 10:30 supfile > > $more supfile > *default host=localhost > *default base=. > *default release=cvs > *default delete use-rel-suffix > test > > > $ cvsup supfile > Connected to localhost > Server message: Unknown collection "test" > Skipping collection test/cvs > Finished successfully > > > > In the Server. > > $ /usr/local/sbin/cvsupd -b test > 2002.08.20 08:48:06 CDT [26821]: CVSup server started > 2002.08.20 08:48:06 CDT [26821]: Software version: SNAP_16_1e > 2002.08.20 08:48:06 CDT [26821]: Protocol version: 17.0 > 2002.08.20 08:48:06 CDT [26821]: Ready to service requests > 2002.08.20 08:50:16 CDT [26821]: +0 myaccount@localhost.localdomain > (mydomain) [SNAP_16_1e/17.0] > 2002.08.20 08:50:16 CDT [26821]: =0 Unknown collection "test" > 2002.08.20 08:50:16 CDT [26821]: -0 [0Kin+0Kout] Finished successfully > 2002.08.20 08:50:16 CDT [26821]: Going down > > my repository have: > > $ls -lrt /tmp/cvs_test/src > drwxrwxr-x 2 userid dev 1024 Aug 16 11:49 CVSROOT > drwxr-xr-x 2 userid dev 1024 Aug 19 01:14 bin > > Directory that I want to mirror: > ls -lrt /tmp/cvs_test/src/bin > total 204 > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 48551 Aug 16 11:42 BUILDNOTES,v > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 741 Aug 16 11:42 cossdk.bat,v > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 104159 Aug 16 11:42 makefile,v > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 2109 Aug 16 11:42 create_dist.bat,v > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 2091 Aug 16 11:42 makefile.bridge,v > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 1515 Aug 16 11:42 makefile.dscore,v > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 1572 Aug 16 11:42 makefile.ds,v > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 4835 Aug 16 11:42 makefile.kmp,v > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 3192 Aug 16 11:42 makefile.project,v > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 6358 Aug 16 11:42 makefile.migration,v > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 5069 Aug 16 11:42 > makefile.regression,v > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 18960 Aug 16 11:42 p4agent.dsw,v > > any Ideas what's wrong. > Thanks for you help. > Moises. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 10:37:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7090637B409 for ; 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Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heaven.gigo.com (heaven.gigo.com [64.57.102.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D466D43E6A for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:07:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lioux@brturbo.com) Received: from 200-193-225-074-bsace7003.dsl.telebrasilia.net.br (200-193-225-074-bsace7003.dsl.telebrasilia.net.br [200.193.225.74]) by heaven.gigo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D29EB706 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 928 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Aug 2002 18:02:22 -0000 Message-ID: <20020820180222.927.qmail@exxodus.fedaykin.here> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 15:02:00 -0300 From: Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Creating a sysctl? (mission impossible) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE X-Disclaimer: I hope you find what you are looking for... in life :) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi, This is for -STABLE system as of August 15th. $ uname -a FreeBSD Here.here 4.6-STABLE FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE #8: Tue Aug 20 14:42:43 BRT 2002 lioux@Here.here:/usr/src/sys/compile/LIOUX i386 I am trying to create one sysctl so that I can read information from a lottery scheduler that I am trying to write. The sysctl is very very simple. I add a lottery node under kern then add a member global_tickets under kern.lottery. Very simple stuff that is not working. Here follows the sample I am using. I used kern_poll.c as example. 1) Created a file kern_lottery.c which is attached. Then, placed this file under /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_lottery; 2) Then, added a reference for it in both /usr/src/sys/conf/files and /usr/src/sys/conf/options. Check attached patch-lottery; 3) Then, added "options SCHEDULER_LOTTERY" to a kernel config file. Compiled, installed, rebooted. Here follows the results after the reboot: $ nm /kernel | grep -i lotter c0237ee0 d sysctl___kern_lottery c0237f20 d sysctl___kern_lottery_global_tickets c0264238 B sysctl__kern_lottery_children $ sysctl -a | grep -i lot $ sysctl -A | grep -i lot As you can see, sysctl returns nothing even though the relevant symbols are in the kernel. It knows nothing about the lottery node. I can reproduce this "problem" in 2 different boxes with different versions of -STABLE. The relevant sysctl code follows: typedef _BSD_PID_T_ ticket_t; /* ticket type */ static ticket_t global_tickets = 0; /* XXX lottery */ SYSCTL_NODE(_kern, OID_AUTO, lottery, CTLFLAG_RW, 0, "Lottery scheduling parameters"); SYSCTL_UINT(_kern_lottery, OID_AUTO, global_tickets, CTLFLAG_RD, &global_tickets, 0, "Current global tickets") Any ideas why this is not working? Help plz. I hope you guys know what I am doing wrong. IF I add this code to kern_switch.c, everything works but it does not work when I add to kern_lottery.c My 1st thought is that it does not like the fact that I'm trying to create a node inside kern from another file. However, kern_poll.c works like a charm. Regards, ps: please CC: me in your replies since I only receive digests of this list. -- Mario S F Ferreira - DF - Brazil - "I guess this is a signature." Computer Science Undergraduate | FreeBSD Committer | CS Developer flames to beloved devnull@someotherworldbeloworabove.org feature, n: a documented bug | bug, n: an undocumented feature --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=patch-lottery --- sys/conf/files.orig Tue Aug 20 14:48:54 2002 +++ sys/conf/files Tue Aug 20 14:37:49 2002 @@ -572,6 +572,8 @@ kern/kern_ktrace.c standard kern/kern_lock.c standard kern/kern_lockf.c standard +# XXX lottery +kern/kern_lottery.c optional scheduler_lottery kern/kern_malloc.c standard kern/kern_mib.c standard kern/kern_ntptime.c standard --- sys/conf/options.orig Tue Aug 20 14:49:02 2002 +++ sys/conf/options Tue Aug 20 14:38:17 2002 @@ -468,3 +468,7 @@ # Polling device handling DEVICE_POLLING opt_global.h + +# XXX lottery +# Lottery scheduler +SCHEDULER_LOTTERY opt_sched_lottery.h --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="kern_lottery.c" /* * Copyright (c) 2001, 2002 * Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira * All rights reserved. * * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions * are met: * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. * * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND * ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE * IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE * ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE * FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL * DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS * OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) * HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT * LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY * OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF * SUCH DAMAGE. * * $Fedaykin: src/sys/kern/kern_lottery.c,v 1.1.2.10 2002/08/19 19:37:34 lioux Exp $ */ #ifdef SMP #include "opt_lint.h" #ifndef COMPILING_LINT #error SCHEDULER_LOTTERY is not compatible with SMP yet #endif #endif #include #include #include /* the process structure */ #include #include #include #include typedef _BSD_PID_T_ ticket_t; /* ticket type */ static ticket_t global_tickets = 0; /* XXX lottery */ SYSCTL_NODE(_kern, OID_AUTO, lottery, CTLFLAG_RW, 0, "Lottery scheduling parameters"); SYSCTL_UINT(_kern_lottery, OID_AUTO, global_tickets, CTLFLAG_RD, &global_tickets, 0, "Current global tickets"); --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 12:18:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5E837B480 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com (mailout06.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4783344017 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:07:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garyj@jennejohn.org) Received: from fwd00.sul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17hEKF-0003E6-07; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:05:59 +0200 Received: from peedub.jennejohn.org (520017439985-0001@[217.228.215.49]) by fmrl00.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 17hEK5-0dNqISC; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:05:49 +0200 Received: from peedub.jennejohn.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peedub.jennejohn.org (8.12.5/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7KJ61ok002901; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:06:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from garyj@peedub.jennejohn.org) Message-Id: <200208201906.g7KJ61ok002901@peedub.jennejohn.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.3 To: Shane Kinney Cc: Moises Zanabria , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: can anyone help me on this ?? Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:37:03 CDT." <20020820123556.C76323-100000@pinnacle.schulte.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:06:01 +0200 From: Gary Jennejohn X-Sender: 520017439985-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Shane Kinney writes: > Call me crazy, but this is a -FreeBSD- list. Maybe you should try > talking > to the RedHat people? > Because cvsup originated with FreeBSD ? > > On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Moises Zanabria wrote: > > > Don't know if this is the correct list to ask this, I'm new in CVSUp and > > this is a newbie question, I have my Linux box , RedHat 7.3 > > CVS version 1.11.2 > > CVSup 16_1e > > > > and the following CVSup configuration: > > > > $pwd > > /usr2/CVSUp/cvsup_server/base/sup/test > > > > $ls -la test > > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 34 Aug 16 11:52 releases > > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 12 Aug 16 11:57 list.cvs > > On my server I have a directory called prefixes which contains symbolic links to the repositories. AFAIK cvsup needs these when it's run as a server. E.g.: garyj:peedub:mail:bash:19> ll /usr/local/etc/cvsup/prefixes/ total 0 lrwx------ 1 root wheel 8B Nov 25 2001 FreeBSD-crypto.cvs -> /u2/ncvs lrwx------ 1 root wheel 8B Nov 25 2001 FreeBSD.cvs -> /u2/ncvs --- Gary Jennejohn / garyj@jennejohn.org gj@freebsd.org gj@denx.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 12:52:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAB037B400; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3456E43E72; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:52:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.5/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7KJqCdc084797; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:52:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.12.5/8.12.4/Submit) id g7KJqCrT084796; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:52:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 12:52:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <200208201952.g7KJqCrT084796@apollo.backplane.com> To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Mosko=20Bilekic?= Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did FreeBSD fail? References: <20020820113908.90626.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Matt Dillon, I had a lot of respect for you until you :replied to the Pythonstein troll, you SUCK This is almost as good as IRC, but I often find myself wishing for a return to the days before Jesus Monroy mellowed out. I mean, I *DO* have a reputation as a hothead to maintain now don't I! But the trolls these days are getting so bad I just can't do it with a straight face any more. I've been Ruined! :Alfred Perlstein, drunktard Careful, Alfred is (H'cup) bigger then you are! And he has Mr. A. Skul on his side. 50 pounds of titanium and lead opens a lot of doors. HiC'p. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 16:13:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C17337B400 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from garrincha.netbank.com.br (garrincha.netbank.com.br [200.203.199.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5928343E4A for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:13:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from riel@conectiva.com.br) Received: (qmail 31299 invoked by uid 84); 20 Aug 2002 23:14:22 -0000 Received: from riel@conectiva.com.br by garrincha.netbank.com.br with qmail-scanner-1.01 (. Clean. Processed in 2.15428 secs); 20 Aug 2002 23:14:22 -0000 Received: from 2-210.ctame701-1.telepar.net.br (kpdkei@200.193.160.210) by garrincha.netbank.com.br with SMTP; 20 Aug 2002 23:14:20 -0000 Received: from localhost ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:46244 "EHLO localhost") by imladris.surriel.com with ESMTP id ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:12:54 -0300 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:12:39 -0300 (BRT) From: Rik van Riel X-X-Sender: riel@imladris.surriel.com To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Mosko=20Bilekic?= Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, Subject: Re: Why did FreeBSD fail? In-Reply-To: <20020820113908.90626.qmail@web21504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-spambait: aardvark@kernelnewbies.org X-spammeplease: aardvark@nl.linux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Mosko Bilekic wrote: > Gentlemen, it's time to explain why FreeBSD is such a > failure. Maybe it's because the developers prefer to spend their time and energy on gossip instead of technical issues ? No wait, those aren't the developers, can't be. Please tell me those aren't really the developers... (now, can we end the trolling and talk techical stuff again? maybe I'll even join #bsdcode again ;)) cheers, Rik -- Bravely reimplemented by the knights who say "NIH". http://www.surriel.com/ http://distro.conectiva.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Aug 20 16:40: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A1937B400; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.mail.vanderbilt.edu (smtp3.mail.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.1.77]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C8B43E42; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:39:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bandix@geekpunk.net) Received: from smtp3.mail.vanderbilt.edu (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.mail.vanderbilt.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6/VU-3.6C+d3.6) with ESMTP id g7KNdH427895; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:39:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from imap3.mail.vanderbilt.edu (imap3.mail.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.1.136]) by smtp3.mail.vanderbilt.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6/VU-3.6B+d3.6) with ESMTP id g7KNdGU27885; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:39:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([160.129.138.54]) by imap3.mail.vanderbilt.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6/VU-3.6A+d3.6) with ESMTP id g7KNdFY19388; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:39:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:39:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "Brandon D. Valentine" X-X-Sender: bandix@taran To: Rik van Riel Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why did FreeBSD fail? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020820181648.S276-100000@taran> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ Redirected to -chat from -hackers; I'm not on -chat, keep me Cc'd. ] On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Rik van Riel wrote: > On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Mosko Bilekic wrote: > > > Gentlemen, it's time to explain why FreeBSD is such a > > failure. > > Maybe it's because the developers prefer to spend their > time and energy on gossip instead of technical issues ? > > No wait, those aren't the developers, can't be. Please > tell me those aren't really the developers... Those most certainly aren't the developers. I will go so far to say with great confidence that the people trolling the list have never written a decently impressive piece of code in their lives. The Internet was once a place where hackers could go about their business without being troubled by such lameness. Unfortunately, the rest of society has jumped onto the Internet and brought their baggage with them. Occasionally one of these non-hackers finds their way into a technical forum and is disappointed when they're made to feel excluded or inferior. They come to the Internet with the misguided notion that they are somehow entitled to some sort of respect or status -- either because they consider themselves of some import in the real world or because they feel that the Internet is their opportunity to grab the piece of the popularity pie that has been denied to them thusfar in life. Most of them experience a rude awakening when the technical forum doesn't even stop to notice them and they become very bitter and vindictive about this perceived "mistreatment". They go so far as to engage in activities such as trolling which drain the community's most valuable resources: it's communication channels and the time of the hackers therein. Behavior of this sort has become the unfortunate and quite obnoxious norm. What this influx of laypeople fail to realize is that the hackers who built and maintain this network built it as a tool for their own ends and have little time to care about the needs of the many. If a non-technical person needs help the prevailing attitude is and should be that that individual can pay for his support. This sense of entitlement to attention, respect or status among non-hackers is a byproduct of a societal emphasis on political correctness and subjectivism. It's annoying. VERY annoying. The engineering community is, has always been, and always should and shall be a meritocracy. There can be no other way. To the trolls I say this: go ahead and feel insulted that nobody paid attention to you. Go ahead and pout. Feel excluded if you must. Nobody excluded you on the basis of who you are. Nobody excluded you because you weren't on the guest list or someone didn't like you. You were excluded for the plain and simple reason that you have yet to demonstrate your worth. You're not entitled to anything. If you want to be part of the club, write some code. We're not elitists, we're practical. Our time is limited. We won't pay attention to you until you bother to demonstrate that you are worth our time. Trolling a mailing list might make you feel good, but nobody cares. Most of us hit delete and kept going without giving it a second thought. If you want people to pay attention to you, write good code or shut the fuck up. Brandon D. Valentine -- http://www.geekpunk.net bandix@geekpunk.net ++[>++++++<-]>[<++++++>-]<.>++++[>+++++<-]>[<+++++>-]<+.+++++++..++ +.>>+++++[<++++++>-]<++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Aug 21 10:45: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E30137B44B; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta01.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6D243E81; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:44:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@poohfan.com) Received: from sitemail.everyone.net (dsnat [216.200.145.62]) by omta01.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA6A1CDC32; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sitemail.everyone.net (Postfix, from userid 99) id 17A7A3954; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:44:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: I can't believe this! Reply-To: dillon@poohfan.com X-Originating-Ip: [65.25.96.4] Message-Id: <20020821174426.17A7A3954@sitemail.everyone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I mean, WTF? 14 people answered what was nothing but a *blatant* troll! Come on, even Rick 'shittiest VM subsystem' van Riel answered! What can I say, pathetic, simply pathetic. No wonder FreeBSD is dead. I'm just talking on behalf of myself and my 3 friends, Bavid O'Drien, Piten Handya, and Muli Jallett, but I'm I speak for all of us when I say: FreeBSD is dying! FWIW, some people have privately e-mailed me asking : Why is Hiten an IMBECILE? Here's the answer.. http://www.linuxforlesbians.org/~pjs/hiten-idiot.txt Hiten is an idiot, discuss Yours faithfully, Matthew _____________________________________________________________ Get your own free Mickeyfan.com email address!! DisneySites!! - http://www.disneysites.com/webmail/poohfan _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email@yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Aug 21 11:13:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16B437B400; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genius.tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2352043E9C; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:13:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@genius.tao.org.uk) Received: by genius.tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id 2A3B042CA; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:13:16 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:13:16 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Matt Dillon Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I can't believe this! Message-ID: <20020821181316.GA1886@genius.tao.org.uk> References: <20020821174426.17A7A3954@sitemail.everyone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020821174426.17A7A3954@sitemail.everyone.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 10:44:25AM -0700, Matt Dillon wrote: > I mean, WTF? 14 people answered what was nothing but a *blatant* troll! C= ome on, even Rick 'shittiest VM subsystem' van Riel answered! What can I sa= y, pathetic, simply pathetic. No wonder FreeBSD is dead. I'm just talking o= n behalf of myself and my 3 friends, Bavid O'Drien, Piten Handya, and Muli = Jallett, but I'm I speak for all of us when I say: FreeBSD is dying! >=20 > FWIW, some people have privately e-mailed me asking : Why is Hiten an IMB= ECILE? >=20 > Here's the answer.. http://www.linuxforlesbians.org/~pjs/hiten-idiot.txt >=20 > Hiten is an idiot, discuss >=20 He's a 15 year old kid, a bit shy on life experience. What do you expect? Grow up man! Joe --=20 "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." - Albert Einstein, 1921 --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAj1j2DsACgkQXVIcjOaxUBYKGgCgq7+vwUzuIxHqECsB3iSL5Lrx gNYAoOaWxnOYXoq9M1gr4c3EuzlpJuYx =f22m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Aug 21 11:16:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A10137B400; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114EE43E6E; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:16:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7LIGeY06600; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:16:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7LIGej13171; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:16:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7LIGbo13164; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:16:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D63D905.1030506@centtech.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:16:37 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Josef Karthauser Cc: Matt Dillon , hackers@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I can't believe this! References: <20020821174426.17A7A3954@sitemail.everyone.net> <20020821181316.GA1886@genius.tao.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Would the real Matt Dillon please stand up? I'm bored of this loser troll who spams the list. No creativity. Josef Karthauser wrote: > On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 10:44:25AM -0700, Matt Dillon wrote: > >>I mean, WTF? 14 people answered what was nothing but a *blatant* troll! Come on, even Rick 'shittiest VM subsystem' van Riel answered! What can I say, pathetic, simply pathetic. No wonder FreeBSD is dead. I'm just talking on behalf of myself and my 3 friends, Bavid O'Drien, Piten Handya, and Muli Jallett, but I'm I speak for all of us when I say: FreeBSD is dying! >> >>FWIW, some people have privately e-mailed me asking : Why is Hiten an IMBECILE? >> >>Here's the answer.. http://www.linuxforlesbians.org/~pjs/hiten-idiot.txt >> >>Hiten is an idiot, discuss >> >> > > He's a 15 year old kid, a bit shy on life experience. > What do you expect? > Grow up man! > > Joe > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology The moon may be smaller than Earth, but it's further away. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Aug 21 11:23:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90CF37B400 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tninet.se (lennier.tninet.se [195.100.94.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B115843E65 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:23:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tdv94ped@cs.umu.se) Received: from cs.umu.se (h198n1c1o1023.bredband.skanova.com [213.64.164.198]) by lennier.tninet.se (BMR ErlangTM/OTP 3.0) with ESMTP id 877164.954200.1029.1s10153895lennier for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:23:20 +0200 Message-ID: <3D63DA8F.10DE8D0B@cs.umu.se> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:23:11 +0200 From: Paul Everlund X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: sv,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Hackers or whackers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all! Have I signed up for the correct list? I was hoping to learn some creative FreeBSD specific programming on this list, so that I maybe one day could contribute to the project, but so far I feel like I'm not on a hackers list. :-) Is it usually like this, you people who have been here some time, or I just joined at a bad timing? Take care all! Best regards, Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Aug 21 11:28:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4E037B4AA; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.freebsdhackers.net (loaks-171-199.goldengate.net [216.250.171.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C9243E72; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:28:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shane@freebsdhackers.net) Received: by mail.freebsdhackers.net (Postfix, from userid 1099) id C48CF156; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:26:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.freebsdhackers.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2542155; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:26:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:26:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Shane Kinney To: Eric Anderson Cc: Josef Karthauser , Matt Dillon , , Subject: Re: I can't believe this! In-Reply-To: <3D63D905.1030506@centtech.com> Message-ID: <20020821132555.B59196-100000@sigma.freebsdhackers.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ya. I agree, they just don't make trolls like they used to. "Don't forget to recompile that cheeseburger." On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Eric Anderson wrote: > Would the real Matt Dillon please stand up? > > I'm bored of this loser troll who spams the list. No creativity. > > > > Josef Karthauser wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 10:44:25AM -0700, Matt Dillon wrote: > > > >>I mean, WTF? 14 people answered what was nothing but a *blatant* troll! Come on, even Rick 'shittiest VM subsystem' van Riel answered! What can I say, pathetic, simply pathetic. No wonder FreeBSD is dead. I'm just talking on behalf of myself and my 3 friends, Bavid O'Drien, Piten Handya, and Muli Jallett, but I'm I speak for all of us when I say: FreeBSD is dying! > >> > >>FWIW, some people have privately e-mailed me asking : Why is Hiten an IMBECILE? > >> > >>Here's the answer.. http://www.linuxforlesbians.org/~pjs/hiten-idiot.txt > >> > >>Hiten is an idiot, discuss > >> > >> > > > > He's a 15 year old kid, a bit shy on life experience. > > What do you expect? > > Grow up man! > > > > Joe > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology > The moon may be smaller than Earth, but it's further away. > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9Y9tvtGSLUf7ussURAjo7AJ9BbM6uwd+ZVKszb2u5mhQ7zOrpqQCfU23E ccgTeCm/wB2fE0ZBM8ZwbI4= =2wkp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Aug 21 11:34:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE8A37B400 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host217-41-33-159.in-addr.btopenworld.com (host217-41-33-159.in-addr.btopenworld.com [217.41.33.159]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F23A43E3B for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:34:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dom@host217-41-33-159.in-addr.btopenworld.com) Received: by host217-41-33-159.in-addr.btopenworld.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EEDF93F8; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:37:06 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:37:05 +0100 From: Dominic Marks To: Paul Everlund Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hackers or whackers? Message-ID: <20020821183705.GA88718@gallium> References: <3D63DA8F.10DE8D0B@cs.umu.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D63DA8F.10DE8D0B@cs.umu.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey, On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 08:23:11PM +0200, Paul Everlund wrote: > Hi all! > > Have I signed up for the correct list? I was hoping to learn > some creative FreeBSD specific programming on this list, so > that I maybe one day could contribute to the project, but so > far I feel like I'm not on a hackers list. :-) Other than programming questions there is a quantity of project politics talk which goes on, most people (I believe) accept this as an unfortunate but inevitable side-effect of success. > Is it usually like this, you people who have been here some > time, or I just joined at a bad timing? This is a low point in the history of this mailing list, of the 12 / 18 months that I've been subscribed. The recent trolls are the "work" of one individual. One person is easy enough to ignore (please join me in ignoring them :-)). > Take care all! > > Best regards, > Paul > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- Dominic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Aug 21 11:42: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1215D37B400 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail14.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEDBE43E3B for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:42:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 11495 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2002 18:42:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail14.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 21 Aug 2002 18:42:02 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LIg0BQ018346; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:42:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20020810160643.I38678-100000@carver.gumbysoft.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:42:06 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Doug White Subject: RE: SMP P4 Xeons out there? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10-Aug-2002 Doug White wrote: > Hey folks, > > Anyone other there with multiprocessor P4 Xeon systems with Hyperthreading > enabled that are seeing 4 CPUs show up on boot? > > If you are, can you mail me the output of 'mptable'? > > It appears you need to enumerate CPUs out of ACPI if you want the logical > CPUs to show up. FreeBSD doesn't appear to support this (yet -- correct me > if I've misread the MP init code), but some people are seeing 4 CPUs > anyway. I'm curious if those systems are modifying the mptable for the > benefit of non-ACPI systems. Newer P4 Xeon's do enumerate all CPU's via the mptable. We use ACPI to enumerate CPU's for ia64 SMP, so at some point it could be backported if needed. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Aug 21 13:53: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B99C37B405 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f136.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.136]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3959F43E42 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:52:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from moises_zanabria@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:52:56 -0700 Received: from 198.207.223.237 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:52:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.207.223.237] From: "Moises Zanabria" To: garyj@jennejohn.org, shane@shanekinney.net Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: can anyone help me on this ?? Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:52:55 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Aug 2002 20:52:56.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9A87260:01C24954] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Guys, I figured out what's wrong: the server needs to be start in up levels where base directory is the one that has a subdirectory named "sup". /usr/local/sbin/cvsupd -b /usr/CVSUp/cvsup_server/base instead: /usr/local/sbin/cvsupd -b test Thanks for the help Gary ;). Moises. >From: Gary Jennejohn >Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn >To: Shane Kinney >CC: Moises Zanabria , >freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: can anyone help me on this ?? Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:06:01 >+0200 > >Shane Kinney writes: > > Call me crazy, but this is a -FreeBSD- list. Maybe you should try > > talking > > to the RedHat people? > > > >Because cvsup originated with FreeBSD ? > > > > > On Tue, 20 Aug 2002, Moises Zanabria wrote: > > > > > Don't know if this is the correct list to ask this, I'm new in CVSUp >and > > > this is a newbie question, I have my Linux box , RedHat 7.3 > > > CVS version 1.11.2 > > > CVSup 16_1e > > > > > > and the following CVSup configuration: > > > > > > $pwd > > > /usr2/CVSUp/cvsup_server/base/sup/test > > > > > > $ls -la test > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 34 Aug 16 11:52 releases > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 userid dev 12 Aug 16 11:57 list.cvs > > > > >On my server I have a directory called prefixes which contains symbolic >links to the repositories. AFAIK cvsup needs these when it's run as a >server. > >E.g.: > >garyj:peedub:mail:bash:19> ll /usr/local/etc/cvsup/prefixes/ >total 0 >lrwx------ 1 root wheel 8B Nov 25 2001 FreeBSD-crypto.cvs -> /u2/ncvs >lrwx------ 1 root wheel 8B Nov 25 2001 FreeBSD.cvs -> /u2/ncvs > >--- >Gary Jennejohn / garyj@jennejohn.org gj@freebsd.org gj@denx.de _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Aug 21 14:46: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CFF937B400; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carver.gumbysoft.com (carver.gumbysoft.com [66.220.23.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7928B43E65; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:46:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@gumbysoft.com) Received: by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 466E272FC5; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425D572D9E; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 14:45:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: John Baldwin Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: RE: SMP P4 Xeons out there? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020821144409.M25632-100000@carver.gumbysoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, John Baldwin wrote: > Newer P4 Xeon's do enumerate all CPU's via the mptable. We use ACPI to > enumerate CPU's for ia64 SMP, so at some point it could be backported > if needed. What's a "newer" P4 Xeon? :-) The two I have downstairs don't, and linux requires overriding the SMP initialization to use ACPI to make it work. I think the ones I have are 1.8's. -- Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@gumbysoft.com | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Aug 21 15:16:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C3837B400; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F4C43E6A; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:16:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a153.otenet.gr [212.205.215.153]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g7LMG6kH000121; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:16:08 +0300 (EEST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (hades [127.0.0.1]) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7LMFDuU001103; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:16:03 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g7LLnEac000816; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:49:14 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:49:13 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Josef Karthauser Cc: Matt Dillon , hackers@FreeBSD.org, chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: I can't believe this! Message-ID: <20020821214913.GA753@hades.hell.gr> References: <20020821174426.17A7A3954@sitemail.everyone.net> <20020821181316.GA1886@genius.tao.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020821181316.GA1886@genius.tao.org.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2002-08-21 19:13 +0000, Josef Karthauser wrote: > On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 10:44:25AM -0700, Matt Dillon wrote: > > Here's the answer.. http://www.linuxforlesbians.org/~pjs/hiten-idiot.txt > > Hiten is an idiot, discuss > > He's a 15 year old kid, a bit shy on life experience. > What do you expect? > Grow up man! Add to this the fact that he's one of the 15-yr olds I have actually *enjoyed* talking & working with, and then the Trolls will hopefully "See the Light(TM)" and turn to stone. We all know that light can turn any average Troll to a bunch of slow, boring rocks :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Aug 21 15:21:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DE737B40A for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.205.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7464843E6A for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 15:21:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tamaru@myn.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: from is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp [127.0.0.1]) by is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9BD3780DD for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:21:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from mailhosting.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (IDENT:mirapoint@mailhosting.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.205.3]) by is2.mh.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g7LMLOx18276; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:21:24 +0900 Received: from gin.myn.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp (cognac.myn.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp [157.82.66.106]) by mailhosting.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 2.9.3.2) with ESMTP id AGW22612; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:21:24 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 07:21:23 +0900 Message-ID: From: Hiroharu Tamaru To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: dirkx@covalent.net, tamaru@myn.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp Subject: Re: forth/kernel name with a variable. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:20:55 +0200 (CEST)". References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.8.1 (Something) SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.3 (Unebigoryae) APEL/10.3 Emacs/20.7 (i386--freebsd) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:20:55 +0200 (CEST), dirkx@covalent.net wrote: > During a diskless boot (i.e. after the PXE stage); I'd like to get to load > (or try to load) a configuration file which is machine specific; e.g. > something along the lines of: > > # >> /mboot/boot/defaults/loader.conf > # > .... > loader_conf_files="/boot/device.hints /boot/loader.conf > /boot/loader.conf.local /boot/\\${boot.netif.ip}.conf > /boot/nextboot.conf" > .... > > where at least an attempt is made to get a machine specific file (in this > case to define a kernel boot file which is specific to that machine) - as > this would allow me to reduce the footprint on the boot/dhcp/tftp server > considerably. > > Any hints ? (The above does not get substituted). > > Dw > -- > Dirk-Willem van Gulik I was looking for the same feature, and could not come up with a Right Way either. Since I wanted to hack as little as possible, and also not to touch files that are updated so often in the repository, I ended up with the following hack: 1) patch loader.rc --- loader.rc- Fri Dec 28 21:05:23 2001 +++ loader.rc Thu May 16 06:55:45 2002 @@ -5,7 +5,26 @@ include /boot/loader.4th \ Reads and processes loader.rc -start +\ start + +only forth also support-functions definitions + +\ This is for use in 10.0.0.100.rc files +: initialize_name ( addr len -- ) + strdup conf_files .len ! conf_files .addr ! +; + +\ Need to compile a word to use 'catch' feature +: mystart + s" /boot/defaults/loader.conf" initialize include_conf_files + s" include /boot/${boot.netif.ip}.rc" ['] evaluate catch + any_conf_read? if + load_kernel + load_modules + then +; + +mystart \ Tests for password -- executes autoboot first if a password was defined check-password 2) say your IP is 10.0.0.100, then create a file /boot/10.0.0.100.rc that has a one line content like this (the position and the number of the spaces seems to count): s" /boot/10.0.0.100.conf" initialize_name include_conf_files 3) write your favorite config in /boot/10.0.0.100.conf in the same syntax as loader.conf 4) Things should work as desired. NOTE: the order the files are read are: /boot/defaults/loader.conf /boot/device.hints /boot/loader.conf /boot/loader.conf.local /boot/10.0.0.100.conf Oh, and by the way, this was a 4.5-STABLE box when I did the hack; I guess what you are playing with is a -CURRENT box. YMMV. I wanted to avoid the 10.0.0.100.rc file, but could hardly read nor write the 4th language. I wish someone with a 4th expertise would write a real solution and commit it to -CURRENT and -STABLE. The diskless stuffs are hard to live with without this feature if you have a heterogeneous environment where you need to switch the kernel image themselves according to the boxes' h/w. P.S. Please keep me in the CC line, I'm not subscribed to this list; I found the original message in the archives. -- Hiroharu Tamaru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Aug 21 17:27: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA9637B400; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0C443E42; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:27:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0087.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.87] helo=mindspring.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17hfoO-00025b-00; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:26:56 -0700 Message-ID: <3D642F94.B153DB1D@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:25:56 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: Josef Karthauser , Matt Dillon , hackers@FreeBSD.org, chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: I can't believe this! References: <20020821174426.17A7A3954@sitemail.everyone.net> <20020821181316.GA1886@genius.tao.org.uk> <20020821214913.GA753@hades.hell.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2002-08-21 19:13 +0000, Josef Karthauser wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 10:44:25AM -0700, Matt Dillon wrote: > > > Here's the answer.. http://www.linuxforlesbians.org/~pjs/hiten-idiot.txt > > > Hiten is an idiot, discuss > > > > He's a 15 year old kid, a bit shy on life experience. > > What do you expect? > > Grow up man! > > Add to this the fact that he's one of the 15-yr olds I have actually > *enjoyed* talking & working with, and then the Trolls will hopefully > "See the Light(TM)" and turn to stone. We all know that light can > turn any average Troll to a bunch of slow, boring rocks :) I have never had a problem with Hiten; he asks intelligent questions, and appears to understand the answers (e.g. his recent question about System V Message Queues and the overlay structure definition for getting the message type out without hitting your head on architecture dependent structure packing). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Aug 21 17:30:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D6237B407; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org [64.239.180.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1C043E3B; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:30:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Received: from hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7M0UJ142419; Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:30:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org) Message-Id: <200208220030.g7M0UJ142419@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Panic: vm_page_insert: already inserted Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 17:30:14 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've recently experienced this crash on 4.6.2-RELEASE. Relevant information is appended to this email message. My question is: should I submit a PR or try to troubleshoot my hardware? ------ Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< Nasrudin was carrying home a piece of liver and the recipe for liver pie. Suddenly a bird of prey swooped down and snatched the piece of meat from his hand. As the bird flew off, Nasrudin called after it, "Foolish bird! You have the liver, but what can you do with it without the recipe?" # gdb -k kernel.debug vmcore.0 GNU gdb 4.18 (FreeBSD) ... This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd"... IdlePTD at phsyical address 0x004fa000 initial pcb at physical address 0x00439120 panicstr: vm_page_insert: already inserted panic messages: --- panic: vm_page_insert: already inserted ... #0 dumpsys () at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:487 487 if (dumping++) { (kgdb) bt #0 dumpsys () at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:487 #1 0xc01ebdd7 in boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:316 #2 0xc01ec215 in panic (fmt=0xc03b9ac0 "vm_page_insert: already inserted") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:595 #3 0xc030494d in vm_page_insert (m=0xc0b33e24, object=0xdebc9180, pindex=0) at ../../vm/vm_page.c:374 #4 0xc0304e1c in vm_page_alloc (object=0xdebc9180, pindex=0, page_req=2) at ../../vm/vm_page.c:844 #5 0xc021324a in allocbuf (bp=0xd1b0ba74, size=1024) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:2511 #6 0xc0212e2a in getblk (vp=0xdeae9800, blkno=0, size=1024, slpflag=0, slptimeo=0) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:2286 #7 0xc0210d8e in bread (vp=0xdeae9800, blkno=0, size=1024, cred=0x0, bpp=0xdf505e38) at ../../kern/vfs_bio.c:508 #8 0xc02f1da0 in ffs_read (ap=0xdf505e9c) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_readwrite.c:273 #9 0xc02f8d06 in ufs_readdir (ap=0xdf505eec) at vnode_if.h:334 #10 0xc02f96e9 in ufs_vnoperate (ap=0xdf505eec) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2422 #11 0xc021ed1b in getdirentries (p=0xdecf3c20, uap=0xdf505f80) at vnode_if.h:769 #12 0xc0358739 in syscall2 (frame={tf_fs = -1070333905, tf_es = 47, tf_ds = 47, tf_edi = 134553824, tf_esi = 134581888, tf_ebp = -1077937636, tf_isp = -548380716, tf_ebx = 672081412, tf_edx = 134581888, tf_ecx = 134553824, tf_eax = 196, tf_trapno = 7, tf_err = 2, tf_eip = 671765424, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 582, tf_esp = -1077937680, tf_ss = 47}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1167 #13 0xc03494e5 in Xint0x80_syscall () #14 0x280a1b36 in ?? () #15 0x280a1386 in ?? () #16 0x80496ce in ?? () #17 0x804b5d8 in ?? () #18 0x8049397 in ?? () (kgdb) up 3 #3 0xc030494d in vm_page_insert (m=0xc0b33e24, object=0xdebc9180, pindex=0) at ../../vm/vm_page.c:374 374 panic("vm_page_insert: already inserted"); (kgdb) print m $1 = 0x0 (kgdb) up #4 0xc0304e1c in vm_page_alloc (object=0xdebc9180, pindex=0, page_req=2) at ../../vm/vm_page.c:844 844 vm_page_insert(m, object, pindex); (kgdb) print m $2 = 0xc0b33e24 (kgdb) print *m $3 = {pageq = {tqe_next = 0xc0c96ba4, tqe_prev = 0xc0458310}, hnext = 0x0, listq = { tqe_next = 0xc0ea20ec, tqe_prev = 0xdee4a8b8}, object = 0xdee4a8a0, pindex = 102, phys_addr = 149848064, md = {pv_list_count = 0, pv_list = {tqh_first = 0x0, tqh_last = 0xc0b33e48}}, queue = 0, flags = 1, pc = 8, wire_count = 0, hold_count = 0, act_count = 0 '\000', busy = 0 '\000', valid = 0 '\000', dirty = 0 '\000'} # uname -a FreeBSD cdbuilder 4.6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.6.2-RELEASE #0: Sat Aug 17 18:02:09 PDT 2002 unixwiz@cdbuilder:/usr/src/sys/compile/ARCHIVE i386 # dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2002 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.6.2-RELEASE #0: Sat Aug 17 18:27:38 PDT 2002 unixwiz@cdbuilder:/usr/src/sys/compile/DTE Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (797.42-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x686 Stepping = 6 Features=0x383f9ff real memory = 535560192 (523008K bytes) avail memory = 515907584 (503816K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc04db000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk Using $PIR table, 10 entries at 0xc00f30f0 npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pci0: at 1.0 irq 11 pcib1: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 fxp0: port 0xde80-0xdebf mem 0xff700000-0xff7fffff,0xff8fd000-0xff8fdfff irq 3 at device 1.0 on pci1 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:d0:b7:e2:f4:45 inphy0: on miibus0 inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto pci1: (vendor=0x1274, dev=0x1371) at 7.0 irq 9 ahc0: port 0xd400-0xd4ff mem 0xff8fe000-0xff8fefff irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci1 aic7890/91: Ultra2 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 32/253 SCBs ahc1: port 0xd800-0xd8ff mem 0xff8ff000-0xff8fffff irq 9 at device 10.0 on pci1 aic7890/91: Ultra2 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 32/253 SCBs isab0: at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 31.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 uhci0: port 0xef80-0xef9f irq 3 at device 31.2 on pci0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pci0: (vendor=0x8086, dev=0x2413) at 31.3 irq 10 orm0: