From owner-freebsd-java Sun Mar 24 15: 8: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mail8.kc.rr.com (mkc-162-176.kc.rr.com [24.94.162.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFED037B419 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:08:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from gruffy.kc.rr.com ([65.26.58.166]) by mail8.kc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:08:53 -0600 Received: (from riksca@localhost) by gruffy.kc.rr.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2ON8Hc79176 for java@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:08:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from riksca) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:08:16 -0600 From: Rik Scarborough To: FreeBSD Java Subject: Work being done on mod_jk? Message-ID: <20020324230816.GA79090@gruffy.kc.rr.com> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Java Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is anyone working on getting mod_jk to run under Apache2 and Tomcat4? ~Rik -- Ranger Rik -- RikSca@mac.com Brought to you by FreeBSD 4.5 Joshua 24:15 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Mon Mar 25 0: 6:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF71A37B41A for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 00:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from phantom.cris.net (phantom.cris.net [212.110.130.74]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA72963; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:06:04 +0200 (EET) Received: (from ml@localhost) by phantom.cris.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g2P89j320280; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:09:45 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ml) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:09:44 +0200 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Rik Scarborough Cc: FreeBSD Java Subject: Re: Work being done on mod_jk? Message-ID: <20020325100944.A20246@phantom.cris.net> References: <20020324230816.GA79090@gruffy.kc.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020324230816.GA79090@gruffy.kc.rr.com>; from RikSca@kc.rr.com on Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 05:08:16PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 05:08:16PM -0600, Rik Scarborough wrote: > Is anyone working on getting mod_jk to run under Apache2 and Tomcat4? Tomcat4 is using different connectors scheme. You need to use mod_webapp to link apache1.3 to tomcat4 (not sure about apache2, but it looks like tomcat dependent) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Mon Mar 25 2:29:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from puget.esil.univ-mrs.fr (puget.esil.univ-mrs.fr [139.124.41.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332CB37B400 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 02:29:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (hquiroz@localhost) by puget.esil.univ-mrs.fr (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2PAakX72541 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:36:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from herve.quiroz@esil.univ-mrs.fr) X-Authentication-Warning: puget.esil.univ-mrs.fr: hquiroz owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:36:45 +0100 (CET) From: Herve Quiroz X-X-Sender: hquiroz@puget.esil.univ-mrs.fr To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: bsd.java.mk status ? Message-ID: <20020325112926.R63988-100000@puget.esil.univ-mrs.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all ! I was wondering if there had been some update to the bsd.java.mk project as I haven't seen anybody posting regarding it for the last week. What is the current status and the feedback from people from bsd staff ? Has there been any new port using bsd.java.mk ? Herv=E9 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Mon Mar 25 4:27:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mail7.kc.rr.com (fe7.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.162.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE1137B400; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 04:27:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from gruffy.kc.rr.com ([65.26.58.166]) by mail7.kc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Mon, 25 Mar 2002 06:25:28 -0600 Received: (from riksca@localhost) by gruffy.kc.rr.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2PCRmX48258; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 06:27:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from riksca) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 06:27:48 -0600 From: Rik Scarborough To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: FreeBSD Java Subject: Re: Work being done on mod_jk? Message-ID: <20020325122748.GA48160@gruffy.kc.rr.com> Mail-Followup-To: Alexey Zelkin , FreeBSD Java References: <20020324230816.GA79090@gruffy.kc.rr.com> <20020325100944.A20246@phantom.cris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020325100944.A20246@phantom.cris.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have not found a lot of documentation on webapp, but I will go back and look again. My problems don't seem to be with Tomcat (of course at this point, how would I know), but with apache2. Thanks, ~Rik * Alexey Zelkin (phantom@FreeBSD.ORG) [020325 02:11]: > On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 05:08:16PM -0600, Rik Scarborough wrote: > > Is anyone working on getting mod_jk to run under Apache2 and Tomcat4? > > Tomcat4 is using different connectors scheme. You need to use > mod_webapp to link apache1.3 to tomcat4 (not sure about apache2, > but it looks like tomcat dependent) -- Ranger Rik -- RikSca@mac.com Brought to you by FreeBSD 4.5 Joshua 24:15 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Mon Mar 25 4:30:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.kc.rr.com (fe5.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5562337B400 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 04:30:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from gruffy.kc.rr.com ([65.26.58.166]) by mail5.kc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Mon, 25 Mar 2002 06:28:10 -0600 Received: (from riksca@localhost) by gruffy.kc.rr.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2PCUjd48293 for java@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 06:30:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from riksca) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 06:30:07 -0600 From: Rik Scarborough To: Gavin Cameron Subject: Re: Tomcat port Message-ID: <20020325123007.GB48160@gruffy.kc.rr.com> References: <00d601c1d3f5$37b45d20$6501a8c0@dale> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00d601c1d3f5$37b45d20$6501a8c0@dale> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I submitted a version last week that I got a lot of good feedback on. Hopefully this first part of this week, I can apply that feedback and resubmit it. ~Rik * Gavin Cameron (gavin@itworks.com.au) [020325 06:13]: > Hi, > > There's been a PR in the system to get Tomcat 4 into the ports tree > since Nov 23 last year. > > The PR can be found at > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/32022 > > What needs to be dome to get this port into the ports tree??? > > Thanks > Gavin > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Ranger Rik -- RikSca@mac.com Brought to you by FreeBSD 4.5 Joshua 24:15 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Mon Mar 25 4:32:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from guinness.syncrontech.com (guinness.syncrontech.com [62.71.8.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD39537B400; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 04:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from linux (coffee.syncrontech.com [62.71.8.37]) by guinness.syncrontech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2PCW7W12687; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:32:07 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ari.suutari@syncrontech.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Ari Suutari Organization: Syncron Tech Oy To: Alexey Zelkin , Rik Scarborough Subject: Re: Work being done on mod_jk? Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:32:07 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4] Cc: FreeBSD Java References: <20020324230816.GA79090@gruffy.kc.rr.com> <20020325100944.A20246@phantom.cris.net> In-Reply-To: <20020325100944.A20246@phantom.cris.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200203251432.07224.ari.suutari@syncrontech.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Monday 25 March 2002 10:09, Alexey Zelkin wrote: > On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 05:08:16PM -0600, Rik Scarborough wrote: > > Is anyone working on getting mod_jk to run under Apache2 and Tomcat4? > > Tomcat4 is using different connectors scheme. You need to use > mod_webapp to link apache1.3 to tomcat4 (not sure about apache2, > but it looks like tomcat dependent) =09mod_jk works also with tomcat4. I have tried it with apache13 only, =09however. =09=09Ari S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Mon Mar 25 6:18:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A0B37B404; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 06:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:18:22 +0000 Received: from cmjg (helo=localhost) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 16pVGm-0003Pi-00; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:16:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:16:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: cmjg@mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: Rik Scarborough , FreeBSD Java Subject: Re: Work being done on mod_jk? In-Reply-To: <20020325100944.A20246@phantom.cris.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Alexey Zelkin wrote: > On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 05:08:16PM -0600, Rik Scarborough wrote: > > Is anyone working on getting mod_jk to run under Apache2 and Tomcat4? > > Tomcat4 is using different connectors scheme. You need to use > mod_webapp to link apache1.3 to tomcat4 (not sure about apache2, > but it looks like tomcat dependent) I'm not completely sure this is true; I have a recollection of seeing discussion about a mod_jk connector for catalina on the -dev lists. You might want to search them for details. I don't think it's part of the standard distribution. -- jan grant, ILRT, University of Bristol. http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44(0)117 9287088 Fax +44 (0)117 9287112 RFC822 jan.grant@bris.ac.uk "NOP" is a trivial implementation of an executable Z subset. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Mon Mar 25 6:33:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.kc.rr.com (fe2.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD9437B405; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 06:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from gruffy.kc.rr.com ([65.26.58.166]) by mail2.kc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:29:06 -0600 Received: (from riksca@localhost) by gruffy.kc.rr.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2PEXji56092; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:33:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from riksca) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:33:44 -0600 From: Rik Scarborough To: Jan Grant Cc: Alexey Zelkin , FreeBSD Java Subject: Re: Work being done on mod_jk? Message-ID: <20020325143344.GA55981@gruffy.kc.rr.com> Mail-Followup-To: Jan Grant , Alexey Zelkin , FreeBSD Java References: <20020325100944.A20246@phantom.cris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From the documentation I've read, mod_jk will work to connect apache to tomcat. It is a separate download (the file is jakarta-tomcat-connectors-4.0.4-b1-src.tar.gz for the latest). The mod_jk seems to be a rewrite from the previous version. I've can compile that version of mod_jk, but when I try to use it in Apache2 under FreeBSD, I get an error saying it cannot find one of the pthread methods (I can post the actually message if anyone wants to see it). My guess is, since FreeBSD is loading libc for Apache, it will not load libc_r for the threading library. I can't seem to get around this. If no one else is working on this, I may take it as a project, but it may be several months before I can hack out a solution. There seems to be another solution as well, call Warp (however this may be webapp with a different name, I can't tell yet). But I can find very little documentation on it. ~Rik * Jan Grant (Jan.Grant@bristol.ac.uk) [020325 08:23]: > On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Alexey Zelkin wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 05:08:16PM -0600, Rik Scarborough wrote: > > > Is anyone working on getting mod_jk to run under Apache2 and Tomcat4? > > > > Tomcat4 is using different connectors scheme. You need to use > > mod_webapp to link apache1.3 to tomcat4 (not sure about apache2, > > but it looks like tomcat dependent) > > I'm not completely sure this is true; I have a recollection of seeing > discussion about a mod_jk connector for catalina on the -dev lists. You > might want to search them for details. I don't think it's part of the > standard distribution. > -- Ranger Rik -- RikSca@mac.com Brought to you by FreeBSD 4.5 Joshua 24:15 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Mon Mar 25 8: 8:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from corb.mc.mpls.visi.com (corb.mc.mpls.visi.com [208.42.156.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3EF37B405 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [209.98.155.26] (envy.blackcore.com [209.98.155.26]) by corb.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDD1821A for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:08:50 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:08:49 -0600 Subject: Re: Work being done on mod_jk? From: Timothy Kettering To: FreeBSD-Java Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020325143344.GA55981@gruffy.kc.rr.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can say that mod_webapp (which is Warp, AFAIK) - works with apache 1.3. I used that combination for a few months on a project I was working on without any trouble. (on FreeBSD 4.4 and 4.5). -tim > From the documentation I've read, mod_jk will work to connect apache > to tomcat. It is a separate download (the file is > jakarta-tomcat-connectors-4.0.4-b1-src.tar.gz for the latest). The > mod_jk seems to be a rewrite from the previous version. > > I've can compile that version of mod_jk, but when I try to use it > in Apache2 under FreeBSD, I get an error saying it cannot find one > of the pthread methods (I can post the actually message if anyone > wants to see it). > > My guess is, since FreeBSD is loading libc for Apache, it will not load > libc_r for the threading library. I can't seem to get around this. > > If no one else is working on this, I may take it as a project, but it > may be several months before I can hack out a solution. > > There seems to be another solution as well, call Warp (however this may > be webapp with a different name, I can't tell yet). But I can find very > little documentation on it. > > ~Rik > * Jan Grant (Jan.Grant@bristol.ac.uk) [020325 08:23]: >> On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Alexey Zelkin wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 05:08:16PM -0600, Rik Scarborough wrote: >>>> Is anyone working on getting mod_jk to run under Apache2 and Tomcat4? >>> >>> Tomcat4 is using different connectors scheme. You need to use >>> mod_webapp to link apache1.3 to tomcat4 (not sure about apache2, >>> but it looks like tomcat dependent) >> >> I'm not completely sure this is true; I have a recollection of seeing >> discussion about a mod_jk connector for catalina on the -dev lists. You >> might want to search them for details. I don't think it's part of the >> standard distribution. >> -- Tim Kettering http://www.blackcore.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Mar 26 5:45:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from veldy.net (veldy-host33.dsl.visi.com [209.98.200.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA5937B750 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 05:44:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from HP2500B (localhost.veldy.net [127.0.0.1]) by veldy.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D829A1A19E; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:44:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002801c1d4cc$51987f50$3028680a@tgt.com> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: "Timothy Kettering" , "FreeBSD-Java" References: Subject: Re: Work being done on mod_jk? Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:44:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, it works with 1.3, but it is very slow. mod_jk is much faster. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Kettering" To: "FreeBSD-Java" Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 10:08 AM Subject: Re: Work being done on mod_jk? > > I can say that mod_webapp (which is Warp, AFAIK) - works with apache 1.3. > > I used that combination for a few months on a project I was working on > without any trouble. (on FreeBSD 4.4 and 4.5). > > -tim > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Mar 26 9:28:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mighty.grot.org (mighty.grot.org [204.182.56.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811C937B41F for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:28:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by mighty.grot.org (Postfix, from userid 515) id DC2D85E9D; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:28:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:28:21 -0800 From: Aditya To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] Message-ID: <20020326172821.GA61489@mighty.grot.org> Reply-To: Aditya Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-PGP-Key: http://www.grot.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x6405D8D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm assuming this is good news for the FreeBSD native Java port but I'm not sure it helps any more than the work that the FreeBSD foundation has done over the last few months? Anyone have anything more excitingly postive to say about it? Adi ----- Forwarded message from press@apache.org ----- Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:43:11 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: To: Subject: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations Message-ID: Contact: The Apache Software Foundation Jason Hunter Vice President, Java Community Process jhunter@apache.org Sally Khudairi Media Relations press@apache.org +1.415.672.9045 Apache Software Foundation Reaches Agreement With Sun Microsystems To Allow Open Source Java Implementations SAN FRANCISCO, CA -- (INTERNET WIRE) -- 03/26/2002 -- www.apache.org -- The Apache Software Foundation (ASF) today announced that it has reached an agreement with Sun Microsystems and members of the Java Community Process (JCP) to secure the basic right to implement Java specifications in open source. This is the result of extended dialog over the past year. Sun has pledged to use licenses that enable open source independent implementations for all its Java specifications and Test Compatibility Kits. Sun has pledged this for all future Sun-led Java specifications as well as key specifications already released. "It gives us great pleasure to have served the interests of the wider open source community, largely made up of individuals and small groups who may not have the resources and visibility to establish this level of dialog," said Jason Hunter, ASF Vice-President, Java Community Process. "To satisfy this trust, the ASF will be closely monitoring the implementation details of the contents of this agreement to ensure the gains represented by this agreement are not lost." "We believe, properly implemented, these changes will fertilize the growing open source Java community, resulting in wider adoption of Java technologies. We also strongly believe the wider availability of Test Compatibility Kits and the existence of solid open source Java specification implementations will serve to improve and enhance Java's compatibility," explained Hunter. THE AGREEMENT The agreement responds to four concerns Apache raised in January and posted publicly on its Website at jakarta.apache.org/news/jspa-position.html. These four points were seen as critical to Apache's support of and continued participation in the Java Community Process: 1. The right to freely implement specifications in open source 2. The right for specification leads to release reference implementations and test kits in open source 3. The right for specifications to be created more publicly 4. The right to free access to test kits by open source, non-profit, and academic groups These issues are being addressed via two mechanisms. First, through a series of proposed revisions to the legal agreement signed when joining the Java Community Process, known as the JSPA. The JSPA is currently undergoing revision by the JCP Executive Committee (EC). As part of an early review, EC comments indicated a desire to address the concerns Apache raised. Apache is pleased to see Sun, who leads the JSPA revision process, propose modifications that address these concerns. This will help guide the JSPA revision process to conclusion. Second, and for more immediate effect, Sun has agreed to proactively address Apache's issues for Sun-led JSRs in the following manner, as expressed in a letter of intent posted at jcp.org/aboutJava/communityprocess/announce/LetterofIntent.html: · For Sun-led specifications finalized from here forward (including revisions to existing specifications) the license terms will allow independent implemenations under open source licenses. · The Test Compatibility Kit (TCK) binaries for these specifications will be made available at no cost to qualified open source, non-profit, and academic groups. · A three-member board, including a representative from the Apache Software Foundation, will assure an impartial qualification process. · Sun will provide substantial support to aid these qualified groups in the use and execution of the TCKs. Apache welcomes other companies leading Java specifications -- many of whom have also desired more openness in the JCP -- in making similar pledges. ABOUT THE APACHE SOFTWARE FOUNDATION The Apache Software Foundation provides organizational, legal, and financial support for the Apache open-source software projects. Formerly known as the Apache Group, the Foundation incorporated as a membership-based, not-for-profit corporation to ensure that the Apache projects continue to exist beyond the participation of individual volunteers, to enable contributions of intellectual property and financial support, and to provide a vehicle for limiting legal exposure while participating in open-source projects. For more information on the Apache Software Foundation, please see www.apache.org. ----- End forwarded message ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Mar 26 23:48:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2859137B41B for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:48:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:48:46 +0100 Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FDA4EA@l04.research.kpn.com> From: "Koster, K.J." To: 'Aditya' Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:48:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Adi, > > > Apache Software Foundation Reaches Agreement With Sun Microsystems To > > Allow Open Source Java Implementations > > I'm assuming this is good news for the FreeBSD native Java > port but I'm not > sure it helps any more than the work that the FreeBSD > foundation has done over > the last few months? Anyone have anything more excitingly > postive to say about it? > While it's excellent news for Java on FreeBSD in general, it won't actually help the porting effort much. The press release talks about new open source projects and not ports of Sun's code base. Still, my day is good. :-) Kees Jan ===================================================== You can't have everything. Where would you put it? [Steven Wright] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 0: 9:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from yez.hyperreal.org (dsl027-182-008.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.27.182.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F069337B400 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:09:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1704 invoked by uid 1000); 27 Mar 2002 08:10:35 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 08:10:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:10:35 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Behlendorf To: "Koster, K.J." Cc: 'Aditya' , Subject: RE: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FDA4EA@l04.research.kpn.com> Message-ID: <20020326235727.B1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Koster, K.J. wrote: > Dear Adi, > > > > > > Apache Software Foundation Reaches Agreement With Sun Microsystems To > > > Allow Open Source Java Implementations > > > > I'm assuming this is good news for the FreeBSD native Java > > port but I'm not > > sure it helps any more than the work that the FreeBSD > > foundation has done over > > the last few months? Anyone have anything more excitingly > > postive to say about it? > > > While it's excellent news for Java on FreeBSD in general, it won't actually > help the porting effort much. The press release talks about new open source > projects and not ports of Sun's code base. Right. So here's the deal. What this does is "fix" the "bug" that legally prevented open source implementations of JCP-defined standards. Without going into a lot of details about spec licenses, Testing Conformance Kits, whether implementations of a spec are derivative works of that spec, etc., what this means is that *after* this is fixed, Java standards *might* now legally be implemented by open source software. I say *might* because a spec lead may still choose to put a license on the spec or TCK that prevents open source implementations, but Sun has promised not to do that for all the specs they lead (which is most, and all of the critical ones), and I doubt many of the others would do this either, since everyone else in the JCP's EC has been agitating for open source as well. Anyways, the litmus test is to watch the standards released after this week's promised changes to the JSPA (the constitution for the JCP) are made; for example, if the JDK 1.5 spec comes out and it allows open source implementations, then we will probably see real legal open source Java VMs out there. This should make the folks involved with Kaffe, JBoss, and other Java open source projects happy, as now they can exist without worrying about Sun's silver hammer coming down upon their heads at any time. This does *not* mean that Sun will automatically release their reference implementations or their own Java technology under open source licenses. I won't speculate at this point as to whether they will; there's no doubt in my mind, though, that someone else will do so. So, the porting work being done here with Sun's VM still might not go open source. There's always a hope, though. Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 0:52:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp (cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp [133.9.68.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F2737B416 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 00:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp (shudoh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp (8.9.1a/3.7W) with ESMTP id RAA32487 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:52:34 +0900 Message-Id: <200203270852.RAA32487@cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp> To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG From: shudo@computer.org Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FDA4EA@l04.research.kpn.com> References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FDA4EA@l04.research.kpn.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:52:34 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: "Koster, K.J." > > > Apache Software Foundation Reaches Agreement With Sun Microsystems To > > > Allow Open Source Java Implementations > > While it's excellent news for Java on FreeBSD in general, it won't actually > help the porting effort much. The press release talks about new open source > projects and not ports of Sun's code base. I'd like to keep my eyes on TCK. What I know about TCK is that a TCK is provided for Java technology like Java 2 SE, Jini, MIDP and so on. Generally, an API set for Java may have a TCK for it. As we know, only Greg can work on testing FreeBSD native Java 2 SDK with the TCK Sun provided and the SDK has to pass the TCK until it is released. This obligation is annoying us, but it's a positive fact that the TCK make the SDK solid and I'm sure the TCK is very important for compliance with the JVM specification. This announcement from Apache Software Foundation refers to availability of TCK (TCK is called `Test' Compatibility Kit but it may mean `Technology'). If we could access to the J2SE TCK, we can polish the JDK more rapidly. Furthermore, open-source Java implementations like GCJ, ORP and Jikes RVM can become stabler and more reliable quickly. But, I am not hopeful of wider availability of J2SE TCK. One concern I feel is that the JVM specification has not been defined along the JCP. It is possible the JVM is not covered by this announcement. Kazuyuki Shudo shudo@computer.org http://www.shudo.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 1:22:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mimer.webgiro.com (mailer2.webgiro.com [213.162.131.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA77037B41B for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:22:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from webgiro.com (mailer2.webgiro.com [213.162.131.18]) by mimer.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0789068469; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:22:25 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3CA18F65.E5350074@webgiro.com> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:22:45 +0100 From: Andrzej Bialecki Organization: WebGiro AB X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Behlendorf Cc: "Koster, K.J." , 'Aditya' , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] References: <20020326235727.B1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brian Behlendorf wrote: > This does *not* mean that Sun will automatically release their reference > implementations or their own Java technology under open source licenses. > I won't speculate at this point as to whether they will; there's no doubt > in my mind, though, that someone else will do so. So, the porting work > being done here with Sun's VM still might not go open source. There's > always a hope, though. I have a more pessimistic scenario for you... What if Sun says: "ok, we release the specs, so you can do independent implementations, but to stay competitive, from now on we are not going to disclose the sources for our JVMs..." Sun is vitally interested in controlling the Java platform, so if they give with one hand they need to take with the other hand somewhere else... Andrzej -- -------------------------------------------- Andrzej Bialecki, Chief System Architect WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) -------------------------------------------- FreeBSD developer (http://www.freebsd.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 8: 9:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ida.net (mail.ida.net [204.228.203.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5393A37B41F for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:09:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4086 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 16:09:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tjr2.ida.net) (204.228.203.100) by mail.ida.net with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 16:09:11 -0000 Subject: Possible problem with the jdk-1.3.1p6_2 port? From: "T.J. Rowe" To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 27 Mar 2002 09:09:11 -0700 Message-Id: <1017245351.28265.29.camel@tjr2.ida.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org First of all, let me congratulate you on your work porting the JDK to FreeBSD. I compiled and installed the entire package from the ports collection without a problem. Also, let me add that I'm not a developer, I'm a user, so I apologize ahead of time for anything I've missed which may be obvious to the trained eye. ;) In any case, I've noticed a problem (which may not necessarily even be a problem with your port), but I haven't found any answer to it yet. I use the JDK for the sole purpose of the browser plugin support. I'm running a natively (FreeBSD) compiled mozilla (0.9.9 most recently) and am trying to run the java plugin natively compiled under FreeBSD as well. Basically, here's the error I get from mozilla: LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/local/jdk1.3.1/jre/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so [/usr/local/jdk1.3.1/jre/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so: Undefined symbol "dgettext"] No one seems to know what "dgettext" is or what it belongs to. Do you guys have any ideas? I'm clueless as far as where to go from here, but I'd appreciate any suggestions and I'll do everything I need to do in order to investigate further. Thanks, T.J. Rowe tjr@ida.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 9:46:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from yez.hyperreal.org (ar1-nat-sp.collab.net [63.251.56.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B49BC37B42F for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3205 invoked by uid 1000); 27 Mar 2002 17:46:57 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 17:46:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:46:57 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Behlendorf X-X-Sender: brian@yez.hyperreal.org To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: Brian Behlendorf , "Koster, K.J." , 'Aditya' , Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] In-Reply-To: <3CA18F65.E5350074@webgiro.com> Message-ID: <20020327094422.E1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > I have a more pessimistic scenario for you... What if Sun says: "ok, we > release the specs, so you can do independent implementations, but to > stay competitive, from now on we are not going to disclose the sources > for our JVMs..." Yep, there are lots of pessimistic scenarios in this. The question is whether anyone will care if/when high quality open source JVMs start to appear. > Sun is vitally interested in controlling the Java platform, so if they > give with one hand they need to take with the other hand somewhere > else... It's always wise to view Sun's moves, like any large company's, with a degree of skepticism. Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 12:19:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from chen.org.nz (adsl-210.54.19.51.quicksilver.net.nz [210.54.19.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E86937B41B for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 12:19:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jonc@localhost) by chen.org.nz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2RKJG095268; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:19:16 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from jonc) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 08:19:16 +1200 From: Jonathan Chen To: "T.J. Rowe" Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Possible problem with the jdk-1.3.1p6_2 port? Message-ID: <20020328081916.C94522@grimoire.chen.org.nz> References: <1017245351.28265.29.camel@tjr2.ida.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1017245351.28265.29.camel@tjr2.ida.net>; from tjr@ida.net on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:09:11AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:09:11AM -0700, T.J. Rowe wrote: [...] > LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library > /usr/local/jdk1.3.1/jre/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so > [/usr/local/jdk1.3.1/jre/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so: > Undefined symbol "dgettext"] > > No one seems to know what "dgettext" is or what it belongs to. Do you > guys have any ideas? Did you upgrade your gettext port recently? Some recent changes may now require you to install gettext-old port as well. -- Jonathan Chen ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "We laugh in the face of danger, we drop icecubes down the vest of fear" - Edmond Blackadder III To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 14: 1:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ida.net (mail.ida.net [204.228.203.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DAA3937B419 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 14:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15665 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2002 22:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tjr2.ida.net) (204.228.203.100) by mail.ida.net with SMTP; 27 Mar 2002 22:01:38 -0000 Subject: Re: Possible problem with the jdk-1.3.1p6_2 port? From: "T.J. Rowe" To: Lutz Bichler Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200203271741.51815.lutz@medusa.informatik.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <1017245351.28265.29.camel@tjr2.ida.net> <200203271741.51815.lutz@medusa.informatik.unibw-muenchen.de> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 27 Mar 2002 15:01:38 -0700 Message-Id: <1017266498.9128.58.camel@tjr2.ida.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thank you for your very prompt replies. I've installed the port, but still am having the same problem. Specifically, I'm using gettext version 0.10.35 (and I removed the other version--0.11.1--as well). I did try to track down that "dgettext" function, and I think maybe I found a header file (/usr/ports/devel/gettext-old/work/gettext-0.10.35/intl/libintl.h) which defines the dgettext function. I checked to make sure the files such as /usr/local/lib/libintl.so.1 were replaced when I installed the older version of gettext, but to no avail. I realize that gettext is certainly not something you'd feel compelled to support, but does anyone have any ideas perhaps what may be a problem, here? Which specific libraries from gettext should I be looking at? If I get this solved, I'll be more than happy to write up a nice java plugin howto for FreeBSD 4.x :) Thanks again, T.J. Rowe tjr@ida.net On Wed, 2002-03-27 at 09:41, Lutz Bichler wrote: > The symbol belongs to the GNU gettext library which has changed (several > times) recently. A solution can be to install /usr/ports/devel/gettext-old. > > Lutz > -- > Lutz Bichler > Institute for Software Technology, Department of Computer Science > University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich, D-85577 Neubiberg, Germany > TEL/FAX: +49(0)89 6004-2261/-4447, NET: lutz@informatik.unibw-muenchen.de > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 16:26:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from gnuppy.monkey.org (wsip68-15-8-100.sd.sd.cox.net [68.15.8.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7657A37B41C for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from billh by gnuppy.monkey.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16qNk2-0000Wv-00; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:26:10 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 16:26:10 -0800 To: Brian Behlendorf Cc: Andrzej Bialecki , Brian Behlendorf , "Koster, K.J." , 'Aditya' , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] Message-ID: <20020328002610.GA2023@gnuppy.monkey.org> References: <3CA18F65.E5350074@webgiro.com> <20020327094422.E1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020327094422.E1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i From: Bill Huey Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:46:57AM -0800, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > Yep, there are lots of pessimistic scenarios in this. The question is > whether anyone will care if/when high quality open source JVMs start to > appear. It's pretty difficult to do so because of the size of shear size of the JVM and because it's a moving target. Slightly off topic, but the Mono folks have a better chance of getting a .NET compatible system useable more so that the JVM folks it seems. I'm quite interested in CLR and CIL in .NET in that having an universal typing system across all languages targetted to it is very cool. > > Sun is vitally interested in controlling the Java platform, so if they > > give with one hand they need to take with the other hand somewhere > > else... > > It's always wise to view Sun's moves, like any large company's, with a > degree of skepticism. It's good to know folks of your stature lurk on this list. Brian's one of the key folks in Apache for those that don't know. Thanks for dropping a note. ;-) bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 19:52: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from athlon.redexterior.com (ctv21225144019.ctv.es [212.25.144.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A1837B400 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 19:51:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from usa.net (localhost.redexterior.com [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.redexterior.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g2S3s2657181; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 04:54:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jdelucas@usa.net) Message-ID: <3CA293DA.7030604@usa.net> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 04:54:02 +0100 From: Jorge de Lucas y Cadenas User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Bill Huey , Brian Behlendorf , Andrzej Bialecki , Brian Behlendorf , "Koster, K.J." , "'Aditya'" Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] References: <3CA18F65.E5350074@webgiro.com> <20020327094422.E1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> <20020328002610.GA2023@gnuppy.monkey.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org BTW: I just tested the Shared Source CLI (Rotor) from Microsoft, it compiles, and the basic examples do actually work. As Sun has never made things easy for Java developers under FreeBSD, I guess they might learn something from what MS is doing. Here is some useful information: http://www.microsoft.com/partner/products/microsoftnet/SharedSourceCsharpCLIFAQ.asp http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2002/03/27/archtour.html http://msdn.microsoft.com/net/sscli Of course I prefer Java but... this might be an alternative worth considering. Regards, Jorge Bill Huey wrote: > On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:46:57AM -0800, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > >>Yep, there are lots of pessimistic scenarios in this. The question is >>whether anyone will care if/when high quality open source JVMs start to >>appear. >> > > It's pretty difficult to do so because of the size of shear size of the > JVM and because it's a moving target. > > Slightly off topic, but the Mono folks have a better chance of getting > a .NET compatible system useable more so that the JVM folks it seems. > > I'm quite interested in CLR and CIL in .NET in that having an universal > typing system across all languages targetted to it is very cool. > > >>>Sun is vitally interested in controlling the Java platform, so if they >>>give with one hand they need to take with the other hand somewhere >>>else... >>> >>It's always wise to view Sun's moves, like any large company's, with a >>degree of skepticism. >> > > It's good to know folks of your stature lurk on this list. Brian's one > of the key folks in Apache for those that don't know. Thanks for > dropping a note. > > ;-) > > bill > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message > . > > -- Jorge de Lucas y Cadenas FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE PGP Key Fingerprint20 = A21E AD4D C928 50F4 6F33 0D40 2AFD CFC3 5C57 AC03 Diffie-Hellman: PGP Key Fingerprint20 = 4A7C 54BE 8264 428C 026F 784F 4FE6 3403 C4B1 55AA GPG Key fingerprint = 65FE 47C3 8C5A 3045 6818 F6B3 111F D35D 33CD 66BB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 20:43:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from web13105.mail.yahoo.com (web13105.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0828537B405 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:43:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020328044314.43973.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.162.195.150] by web13105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:43:14 PST Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 20:43:14 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: jdk-1.3.1p6 compile errors To: java@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Tried installing jdk-1.3.1p6 on FreeBSD 4.5 but getting compile errors on make. Version: # $FreeBSD: ports/java/jdk13/Makefile,v 1.18 2002/03/13 15:06:15 sobomax Exp $ Error: ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/navig4/CJavaVM.cpp:85: libintl.h: No such file or directory gmake[1]: *** [../../tmp/bsd/i386/CJavaVM.o] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/java/jdk13/work/j2sdk1.3.1/ext/plugin/build/solaris' gmake: *** [plugin-all] Error 1 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk13. Packages installed on my computer are: apache-1.3.24_1 The extremely popular Apache http server. Very fast, very autoconf213-2.13.000227_1 Automatically configure source code on many Un*x platforms automake14-1.4.5 GNU Standards-compliant Makefile generator (legacy version bison-1.34_2 A parser generator from FSF, (mostly) compatible with Yacc cvsup-without-gui-16.1f General network file distribution system optimized for CVS gettext-0.11.1 GNU gettext package glib-1.2.10_5 Some useful routines of C programming gmake-3.79.1 GNU version of 'make' utility gtar-1.13.25 GNU version of the traditional tar archiver gtk-1.2.10_3 Gimp Toolkit for X11 GUI javavmwrapper-1.4 Wrapper script for various Java Virtual Machines jpeg-6b_1 IJG's jpeg compression utilities kdebase-1.1.2_1 Base modules for the KDE integrated X11 desktop kdelibs-1.1.2_3 Support libraries for the KDE integrated X11 desktop libiconv-1.7_2 A character set conversion library libtool-1.3.4_2 Generic shared library support script linux-jdk-1.3.1.02_1 Sun Java Development Kit 1.3 for Linux linux-netscape-navigator-4.79 Linux Netscape navigator web-surfboard linux_base-6.1 The base set of packages needed in Linux mode m4-1.4_1 GNU's m4 netscape-remote-1.0_1 Utility to pass commands to running netscape process netscape-wrapper-2000.07.07 Netscape wrapper to avoid multiple invocation and more nspr-4.1.2 A platform-neutral API for system level and libc like funct open-motif-devel-2.1.30 Open Motif 2.1.30 - Development libraries and header files pkg_tarup-1.2_3 Generates binary package from installed package pkgconfig-0.11.0_1 An utility used to retrieve information about installed lib png-1.2.1 Library for manipulating PNG images portupgrade-20020321 Very powerful FreeBSD ports/packages upgrading tool and mor qt1-1.45_1 A C++ X GUI toolkit ruby-1.6.7.2002.03.13 An object-oriented interpreted scripting language ruby-bdb1-0.1.6 Ruby interface to Berkeley DB revision 1.8x with full featu ruby-fnmatch-1.1b_1 A Ruby module which provides File::fnmatch and File::FNM_* ruby-optparse-0.8.6 Yet another command line option parser for Ruby tiff-3.5.7 Tools and library routines for working with TIFF images unzip-5.42 List, test and extract compressed files in a ZIP archive xemacs-21.1.14 XEmacs text editor version 21 xemacs-packages-2.1 Basic XEmacs elisp packages(xemacs-packages) xpm-3.4k The X Pixmap library zip-2.3 Create/update ZIP files compatible with pkzip Thanks. Marphil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 21: 9:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from hobbits.brel.com (hobbits.brel.com [203.127.231.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A987337B426 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by hobbits.brel.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7EE403309; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:09:44 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:09:44 +0800 From: Calvin NG To: marphilvc@yahoo.com Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: jdk-1.3.1p6 compile errors Message-ID: <20020328130944.D67280@brel.com> References: <20020328044314.43973.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020328044314.43973.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com>; from marphilvc@yahoo.com on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 08:43:14PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, libintl.h belongs to the gettext port. When I install this port, I have to define "WANT_FULL_GETTEXT" to get all the include files and libraries. You might want to try that. But, first, make sure that you really do not have /usr/local/include/libintl.h Good luck. [PS: I just rebuilt that jdk13 port over the last weekend, it went okay. ] Regards, /calvin lines with :> are quotes from marphilvc@yahoo.com's email :> Hi, :> :> Tried installing jdk-1.3.1p6 on FreeBSD 4.5 but :> getting compile errors on make. :> :> Version: :> # $FreeBSD: ports/java/jdk13/Makefile,v 1.18 :> 2002/03/13 15:06:15 sobomax Exp $ :> :> :> Error: :> ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/navig4/CJavaVM.cpp:85: :> libintl.h: No such file or directory :> gmake[1]: *** [../../tmp/bsd/i386/CJavaVM.o] Error 1 :> gmake[1]: Leaving directory :> `/usr/ports/java/jdk13/work/j2sdk1.3.1/ext/plugin/build/solaris' :> gmake: *** [plugin-all] Error 1 :> *** Error code 2 :> Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk13. :> :> :> Packages installed on my computer are: :> gettext-0.11.1 GNU gettext package To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 21:15:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from web20405.mail.yahoo.com (web20405.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 19C2337B41C for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:15:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020328051522.8766.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.21.6.34] by web20405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:15:22 PST Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:15:22 -0800 (PST) From: huang wen hui Subject: the bug of freebsd-commapi To: ari.suutari@syncrontech.com Cc: java@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, I may found two bugs of native freebsd-commapi: 1. SerialPort.getName() always return null. fix: --- FreebsdSerial.java.org Tue Mar 26 13:37:30 2002 +++ FreebsdSerial.java Tue Mar 26 13:41:14 2002 @@ -47,7 +47,7 @@ private int parity = SerialPort.PARITY_NONE; private int flowcontrol = SerialPort.FLOWCONTROL_NONE; private int sd = -1; - private String name = null; + //private String name = null; private int ibs = 1024; private int obs = 1024; private int framing = -1; 2. SerialPort.setFlowControlMode() not work. It look s like "native void deviceSetFlowControl()" not properly works. I read data from serial port(9000,N,8,1, no flowControl). Before call setFlowControlMode(SerialPort.FLOWCONTROL_NONE), it works fine; after call, it does NOT work. --hwh __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 22:21:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from yez.hyperreal.org (ar1-nat-sp.collab.net [63.251.56.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0903C37B405 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:21:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6342 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Mar 2002 06:22:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 28 Mar 2002 06:22:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:22:19 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Behlendorf To: Bill Huey Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] In-Reply-To: <20020328002610.GA2023@gnuppy.monkey.org> Message-ID: <20020327221634.M1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Bill Huey wrote: > On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:46:57AM -0800, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > Yep, there are lots of pessimistic scenarios in this. The question is > > whether anyone will care if/when high quality open source JVMs start to > > appear. > > It's pretty difficult to do so because of the size of shear size of the > JVM and because it's a moving target. It'd be tough to start one from scratch; I'd wager it's about the same amount of code complexity as the GNU C toolchain today. What's more likely is someone open sourcing an existing JVM, and putting their existing dev resources (or enough dev resources) on it. Or throwing their weight behind Kaffe or something like that, but more likely releasing a new one. > Slightly off topic, but the Mono folks have a better chance of getting > a .NET compatible system useable more so that the JVM folks it seems. > > I'm quite interested in CLR and CIL in .NET in that having an universal > typing system across all languages targetted to it is very cool. It would be really interesting to hear whether Mono's CLR and Java-to-CLR-bytecode compiler was a faster route to a stable and reliable runtime than the pure-bred JVMs. Certainly it would be a nice way to address Java's biggest shortcoming, IMHO, which is that it just doesn't play nice with other apps (unless you go over slow interfaces like XML-RPC or SOAP). Regardless, soon we'll be able to do that experiment legally. :) Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 22:41:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mgr2.xmission.com (mgr2.xmission.com [198.60.22.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9CA237B416 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.135.128.145] (helo=misty.eyesbeyond.com) by mgr2.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16qTaZ-0004K1-00; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:40:48 -0700 Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2S6edS23985; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:10:39 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from glewis) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:10:39 +1030 From: Greg Lewis To: Brian Behlendorf Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] Message-ID: <20020328171038.A23486@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <20020328002610.GA2023@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20020327221634.M1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020327221634.M1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org>; from brian@hyperreal.org on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 10:22:19PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 10:22:19PM -0800, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > On Wed, 27 Mar 2002, Bill Huey wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 09:46:57AM -0800, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > > > Yep, there are lots of pessimistic scenarios in this. The question is > > > whether anyone will care if/when high quality open source JVMs start to > > > appear. > > > > It's pretty difficult to do so because of the size of shear size of the > > JVM and because it's a moving target. > > It'd be tough to start one from scratch; I'd wager it's about the same > amount of code complexity as the GNU C toolchain today. What's more > likely is someone open sourcing an existing JVM, and putting their > existing dev resources (or enough dev resources) on it. Or throwing > their weight behind Kaffe or something like that, but more likely > releasing a new one. My favourite here would be ORP. Its done by Intel, so there is enough weight behind it (albeit x86 centric weight) and the license is essentially BSD (or Apache if you like :) style. IMO the biggest lack at the moment isn't in the JVM world (there are quite a number that come to mind) its in creating all the run time classes which actually get you "Java". GNU Classpath is pretty much the only attempt I'm aware of to remedy it and their status still indicates that they are _aiming_ to be compatible with 1.1 (i.e. they're not yet at 1.1 compatibility with 1.4 out already). -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 22:42:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from gnuppy.monkey.org (wsip68-15-8-100.sd.sd.cox.net [68.15.8.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1A237B41B for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:42:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from billh by gnuppy.monkey.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16qTc2-0000oa-00; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:42:18 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:42:18 -0800 To: Brian Behlendorf Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] Message-ID: <20020328064218.GA2973@gnuppy.monkey.org> References: <20020328002610.GA2023@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20020327221634.M1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020327221634.M1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i From: Bill Huey Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 10:22:19PM -0800, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > It'd be tough to start one from scratch; I'd wager it's about the same > amount of code complexity as the GNU C toolchain today. What's more > likely is someone open sourcing an existing JVM, and putting their > existing dev resources (or enough dev resources) on it. Or throwing > their weight behind Kaffe or something like that, but more likely > releasing a new one. IMO, from looking at all the HotSpot/JVM internals over this year and a half time frame, that's impossible for an open source group to commit the necessary resources to create a useable J2SE clone. You need too many domain experts with too long term a focus to complete each subsystem. > > Slightly off topic, but the Mono folks have a better chance of getting > > a .NET compatible system useable more so that the JVM folks it seems. > > > > I'm quite interested in CLR and CIL in .NET in that having an universal > > typing system across all languages targetted to it is very cool. > > It would be really interesting to hear whether Mono's CLR and > Java-to-CLR-bytecode compiler was a faster route to a stable and reliable > runtime than the pure-bred JVMs. Certainly it would be a nice way to The problem here is that the JVM uses a more coarse grain runtime typing system that's difficult to translate onto CLR terms. I can't remember the details exactly, but it's got speed optimization specifically for the runtime invocation of Java methods that make it a conceptual mismatch to CLR. RMI is also effected by this as are other things that use JVM first class types facilities directly. The differences in security models are also problem. Java's much more restricted bytecode is easier to verify. I'm not a security expert so I can't comment much more on this topic. I wish I had more time to investigate this since it's such an interesting topic and really believe that .NET/CLR is technically good enough that it might really profoundly effect things over the entire industry. MS has a half crippled way of implementing things, but that doesn't take away from the core technology, specifically type meta-data descriptions CIL, etc... > address Java's biggest shortcoming, IMHO, which is that it just doesn't > play nice with other apps (unless you go over slow interfaces like XML-RPC > or SOAP). Regardless, soon we'll be able to do that experiment legally. > :) Sure, I'd imagine so, but I don't do EJB work, etc... so I can't really comment ;) That's all I can think of to ramble about right now. ;) bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 22:45:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from gnuppy.monkey.org (wsip68-15-8-100.sd.sd.cox.net [68.15.8.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8743137B400 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:45:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from billh by gnuppy.monkey.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16qTfE-0000pS-00; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:45:36 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:45:35 -0800 To: Greg Lewis Cc: Brian Behlendorf , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] Message-ID: <20020328064535.GB2973@gnuppy.monkey.org> References: <20020328002610.GA2023@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20020327221634.M1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> <20020328171038.A23486@misty.eyesbeyond.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020328171038.A23486@misty.eyesbeyond.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i From: Bill Huey Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 05:10:39PM +1030, Greg Lewis wrote: > My favourite here would be ORP. Its done by Intel, so there is enough > weight behind it (albeit x86 centric weight) and the license is > essentially BSD (or Apache if you like :) style. IMO the biggest lack They're involved with the Mono folks too. > at the moment isn't in the JVM world (there are quite a number that come > to mind) its in creating all the run time classes which actually get > you "Java". GNU Classpath is pretty much the only attempt I'm aware of > to remedy it and their status still indicates that they are _aiming_ to > be compatible with 1.1 (i.e. they're not yet at 1.1 compatibility with > 1.4 out already). Yeah, it's grim. It might be a more realistic target once the J2SE APIs have settled down a bit in the coming years. Either hope for that or hope that Sun changes their attitude to the Java sources. I personally don't understand the problems with Sun/Apaches, so I have zero idea what all the recent news means. bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 23:37: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from wwweasel.geeksrus.net (wwweasel.geeksrus.net [64.8.210.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D87837B41D; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from alane@localhost) by wwweasel.geeksrus.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2S6KAV04380; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:20:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from alane) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:20:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200203280620.g2S6KAV04380@wwweasel.geeksrus.net> To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: java/jdk13 From: Alan Eldridge Reply-To: Alan Eldridge Cc: java@freebsd.org X-send-pr-version: 3.113 X-GNATS-Notify: Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Submitter-Id: current-users >Originator: Alan Eldridge >Organization: Geeksrus.NET >Confidential: no >Synopsis: java/jdk13 >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Category: ports >Class: sw-bug >Release: FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386 >Environment: System: FreeBSD wwweasel.geeksrus.net 4.5-STABLE FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE #0: Mon Mar 11 00:59:22 EST 2002 root@wwweasel.geeksrus.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WWWEASEL i386 >Description: When built as non-root, install by root leaves files owned by non-root builder. This is a serious problem, as files in /usr/local should not be owned by random users. The following ports all have the same error in the Makefile: java/gnu-regexp/Makefile java/jakarta-oro/Makefile java/jakarta-regexp/Makefile java/jce-aba/Makefile java/jdk-tutorial/Makefile java/jdk/Makefile java/jdk12-beta/Makefile java/jdk13/Makefile java/jre/Makefile java/jsdk/Makefile java/linux-ibm-jdk13/Makefile java/linux-jdk/Makefile java/linux-jdk13/Makefile java/linux-jdk14/Makefile To java@, how do you want the other 13 ports reported? One big PR? 13 individual PRs? Do you want to extend this PR to conver the other 13? >How-To-Repeat: Build as non-root. Install as root. This *should* work correctly, but does not. >Fix: Do *not* use tar|tar to install ports. Or do a massive "chown -Rh ..." afterwards. ==8<====8<====8<====8<====8<====8<====8<====8<====8<====8<== Index: java/jdk13/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/alane/cvsup-ports/cvsroot/ports/java/jdk13/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.18 diff -u -3 -r1.18 Makefile --- java/jdk13/Makefile 13 Mar 2002 15:06:15 -0000 1.18 +++ java/jdk13/Makefile 28 Mar 2002 05:57:13 -0000 @@ -126,11 +126,11 @@ do-install: ${MKDIR} ${PREFIX}/jdk${JDK_VERSION} - (cd ${JDKIMAGEDIR} && ${BSD_TAR} -c -f - .) \ - | (cd ${PREFIX}/jdk${JDK_VERSION} && ${BSD_TAR} --unlink -x -f -) + cd ${JDKIMAGEDIR} && find . \ + | cpio -pdmu -R ${LIBOWN}:${LIBGRP} ${PREFIX}/jdk${JDK_VERSION} .if !defined(NODEBUG) - (cd ${JDKIMAGEDIR_G} && ${BSD_TAR} -c -f - .) \ - | (cd ${PREFIX}/jdk${JDK_VERSION} && ${BSD_TAR} --unlink -x -f -) + cd ${JDKIMAGEDIR_G} && find . \ + | cpio -pdmu -R ${LIBOWN}:${LIBGRP} ${PREFIX}/jdk${JDK_VERSION} .endif post-install: ==8<====8<====8<====8<====8<====8<====8<====8<====8<====8<== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 27 23:51: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from web13102.mail.yahoo.com (web13102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B06737B419 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:51:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020328075101.8085.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.162.195.150] by web13102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:51:01 PST Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 23:51:01 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: jdk-1.3.1p6 compile errors To: Calvin NG Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020328130944.D67280@brel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Calvin, First, thanks for that very fast reply :) Alas, found libintl.h after reinstalling gettext and defining "WANT_FULL_GETTEXT". But now I am getting different errors: ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:24: duplicate message definition ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:19: ...this is the location of the first definition ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:30: duplicate message definition ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:15: ...this is the location of the first definition ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:34: duplicate message definition ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:21: ...this is the location of the first definition ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:36: duplicate message definition ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:13: ...this is the location of the first definition msgfmt: found 4 fatal errors gmake[1]: *** [/usr/ports/java/jdk13/work/j2sdk1.3.1/build/bsd-i386/lib/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/sunw_java_plugin.mo] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/java/jdk13/work/j2sdk1.3.1/ext/plugin/build/solaris' gmake: *** [plugin-all] Error 1 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk13. I did some investigation on the Makefile(s) and found out that the building of the plugins can be disabled. What exactly are these plugins? Do I really need it? (seems the error am getting is for Japanese locale) Thanks again! Marphil --- Calvin NG wrote: > Greetings, > > libintl.h belongs to the gettext port. > When I install this port, I have to define > "WANT_FULL_GETTEXT" to get all the include files > and libraries. You might want to try that. > > But, first, make sure that you really do not have > /usr/local/include/libintl.h > > Good luck. > [PS: I just rebuilt that jdk13 port over the last > weekend, > it went okay. ] > > Regards, > /calvin > > lines with :> are quotes from marphilvc@yahoo.com's > email > :> Hi, > :> > :> Tried installing jdk-1.3.1p6 on FreeBSD 4.5 but > :> getting compile errors on make. > :> > :> Version: > :> # $FreeBSD: ports/java/jdk13/Makefile,v 1.18 > :> 2002/03/13 15:06:15 sobomax Exp $ > :> > :> > :> Error: > :> ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/navig4/CJavaVM.cpp:85: > :> libintl.h: No such file or directory > :> gmake[1]: *** [../../tmp/bsd/i386/CJavaVM.o] > Error 1 > :> gmake[1]: Leaving directory > :> > `/usr/ports/java/jdk13/work/j2sdk1.3.1/ext/plugin/build/solaris' > :> gmake: *** [plugin-all] Error 1 > :> *** Error code 2 > :> Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk13. > :> > :> > :> Packages installed on my computer are: > :> gettext-0.11.1 GNU gettext package __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 28 2:47:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from hangzone.dk (cpe.atm0-0-0-161114.0x3ef21b09.boanxx6.customer.tele.dk [62.242.27.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5D137B41A for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 02:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from luke.hangzone.dk (luke.hangzone.dk [192.168.1.2]) by hangzone.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F894DE; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:57:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:57:11 +0100 (CET) From: Jacob Andresen To: Brian Behlendorf Cc: Bill Huey , Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] In-Reply-To: <20020327221634.M1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> Message-ID: <20020328114700.U47000-100000@luke.hangzone.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org are there any overview on how many would be interested in doing a opensource jvm? and perhaps something that needs to be done? I would gladly be one of the "infinite amount of monkeys" let loose with a typewriter to do a opensource jvm with the whole enchilada :oP Who knows maybe we could do a useful part result? Maybe even produce "Shakepeares collected works" in the process:oP Happy easter everybody btw. greetz, zoner > > It's pretty difficult to do so because of the size of shear size of the > > JVM and because it's a moving target. > > It'd be tough to start one from scratch; I'd wager it's about the same > amount of code complexity as the GNU C toolchain today. What's more > likely is someone open sourcing an existing JVM, and putting their > existing dev resources (or enough dev resources) on it. Or throwing > their weight behind Kaffe or something like that, but more likely > releasing a new one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 28 3:30:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.hccnet.nl (smtp.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D1F37B404; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 03:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from there by smtp.hccnet.nl via uds114-60.dial.hccnet.nl [62.251.60.114] with SMTP id MAA29406 (8.8.8/1.13); Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:30:49 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200203281130.MAA29406@smtp.hccnet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Ernst de Haan Organization: FreeBSD Project To: java@FreeBSD.org, ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: bsd.java.mk is here! Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:29:24 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org All, Today bsd.java.mk has finally been added. Please update your ports collection (ports-base for CVSup) and then change your ports to use USE_JAVA. See the following specification document for more information about writing ports that use bsd.java.mk: http://www.metaverse.nl/~ernst/writing.html Congratulations to all who helped with this. In particular I would like to thank Maxim Sobolev for reviewing the patches, Herve Quiroz for the testing and John Merryweather Cooper for the initial suggestion. More info: http://www.metaverse.nl/~ernst/freebsd-java-proposal-20011116.html http://www.metaverse.nl/~ernst/installing.html Sincerely, Ernst To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 28 4:27:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mail.net2000.ch (mail.net2000.ch [80.83.47.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B5B37B400; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 04:27:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from wireless-networks.com ([62.2.196.33]) by mail.net2000.ch (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with ESMTP id AAA89C; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:24:24 +0100 Message-ID: <3CA30EC0.4020302@wireless-networks.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:38:24 +0100 From: Cedric Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.9+) Gecko/20020327 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ernst de Haan Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bsd.java.mk is here! References: <200203281130.MAA29406@smtp.hccnet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Just a question: If I write a port that uses JNI and native code, is that possible to specify something like: I want a 1.2+ *native* JVM (as opposed to a linux emu)? The opposite would be interresting too, If I've linked my native code against Linux libraries. Also, is that possible to say: I need any 1.3+ VM running with *native* thread, as opposed to green threads? Cedric Ernst de Haan wrote: >All, > > >Today bsd.java.mk has finally been added. Please update your ports collection >(ports-base for CVSup) and then change your ports to use USE_JAVA. See the >following specification document for more information about writing ports >that use bsd.java.mk: > >http://www.metaverse.nl/~ernst/writing.html > >Congratulations to all who helped with this. In particular I would like to >thank Maxim Sobolev for reviewing the patches, Herve Quiroz for the testing >and John Merryweather Cooper for the initial suggestion. > >More info: > >http://www.metaverse.nl/~ernst/freebsd-java-proposal-20011116.html >http://www.metaverse.nl/~ernst/installing.html > > >Sincerely, > > >Ernst > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 28 4:36:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.hccnet.nl (smtp.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F17C37B405; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 04:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from there by smtp.hccnet.nl via uds114-60.dial.hccnet.nl [62.251.60.114] with SMTP id NAA09916 (8.8.8/1.13); Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:36:04 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200203281236.NAA09916@smtp.hccnet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Ernst de Haan Organization: FreeBSD Project To: Cedric Berger Subject: Re: bsd.java.mk is here! Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:34:48 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200203281130.MAA29406@smtp.hccnet.nl> <3CA30EC0.4020302@wireless-networks.com> In-Reply-To: <3CA30EC0.4020302@wireless-networks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Cedric, > Just a question: If I write a port that uses JNI and native code, is > that possible to specify > something like: I want a 1.2+ *native* JVM (as opposed to a linux emu)? Well, it *is* possible to say that you want a specific JVM port, like java/jdk13 or java/jdk12 (both FreeBSD JVM's). It is *not* possible to specify that you want a FreeBSD 1.2+ JDK. This functionality could be added though. Perhaps using a format like the following: USE_JAVA= FreeBSD-1.2+ Or: USE_JAVA= 1.2+ JAVA_OS= FreeBSD Already you get the Java OS of the JVM back in JAVA_OS, see the 'Writing' document (http://www.metaverse.nl/~ernst/writing.html). > Also, is that possible to say: I need any 1.3+ VM running with *native* > thread, as > opposed to green threads? Nope. Is this really necessary to add to bsd.java.mk ? And what if a single port offers both ? Ernst To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 28 5:14:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from hobbits.brel.com (hobbits.brel.com [203.127.231.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB8437B404 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 05:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by hobbits.brel.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 28F3B3309; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:14:25 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:14:25 +0800 From: Calvin NG To: marphilvc@yahoo.com Cc: java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: jdk-1.3.1p6 compile errors Message-ID: <20020328211425.F67280@brel.com> References: <20020328130944.D67280@brel.com> <20020328075101.8085.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020328075101.8085.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com>; from marphilvc@yahoo.com on Wed, Mar 27, 2002 at 11:51:01PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, Glad that my suggestion help a little. I am not familiar with the error messages you are getting, sorry. The plugin is almost certainly related to the browser plugins, specifically plugins to use with native FreeBSD netscape, and native mozilla builds. Looks like it is still problem with gettext, msgfmt is part of gettext. Regards, /calvin lines with :> are quotes from marphilvc@yahoo.com's email :> Hi Calvin, :> :> First, thanks for that very fast reply :) :> :> Alas, found libintl.h after reinstalling gettext and :> defining "WANT_FULL_GETTEXT". :> :> But now I am getting different errors: :> ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:24: :> duplicate message definition :> ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:19: :> ...this is the location of the first definition :> ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:30: :> duplicate message definition :> ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:15: :> ...this is the location of the first definition :> ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:34: :> duplicate message definition :> ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:21: :> ...this is the location of the first definition :> ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:36: :> duplicate message definition :> ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:13: :> ...this is the location of the first definition :> msgfmt: found 4 fatal errors :> gmake[1]: *** :> [/usr/ports/java/jdk13/work/j2sdk1.3.1/build/bsd-i386/lib/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/sunw_java_plugin.mo] :> Error 1 :> gmake[1]: Leaving directory :> `/usr/ports/java/jdk13/work/j2sdk1.3.1/ext/plugin/build/solaris' :> gmake: *** [plugin-all] Error 1 :> *** Error code 2 :> Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk13. :> :> :> :> I did some investigation on the Makefile(s) and found :> out that the building of the plugins can be disabled. :> :> :> What exactly are these plugins? :> Do I really need it? (seems the error am getting is :> for Japanese locale) :> :> :> Thanks again! :> :> :> Marphil :> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 28 7:18:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.sfbay.redhat.com [205.180.230.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D21F37B405 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:18:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcppc2 (taarna.cygnus.com [205.180.230.102]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA28906; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:11:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] From: Anthony Green To: Jacob Andresen Cc: Brian Behlendorf , Bill Huey , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020328114700.U47000-100000@luke.hangzone.dk> References: <20020328114700.U47000-100000@luke.hangzone.dk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-0.7x) Date: 28 Mar 2002 07:12:25 -0800 Message-Id: <1017328351.3770.59.camel@dhcppc2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 02:57, Jacob Andresen wrote: > > are there any overview on how many would be interested in doing a > opensource jvm? and perhaps something that needs to be done? Rather than start work on a new opensource jvm, why not help out on one of the existing opensource jvms. For instance, the gcj project could always use some more help (http://gcc.gnu.org/java). While primarily billing itself as native code compiler for Java, the runtime library also includes a bytecode interpreter (no JIT yet). It's working pretty well right now. For instance, we're able to build and run most of the Apache projects (Tomcat, Xalan, etc). But there's always more to do! In the short term, right now we're preparing for the GCC 3.1 release (gcj is part of GCC). FreeBSD is one of the platforms giving us a little trouble right now. See... http://gcc.gnu.org/java/gcj-3.1-status.html We could use help looking into the test failures on x86 FreeBSD, and perhaps even trying builds on currently untested platforms. There are many interesting longer term projects, like developing/integrating a JIT compiler into the runtime. Thanks, AG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 28 7:18:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.sfbay.redhat.com [205.180.230.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5535437B419 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcppc2 (taarna.cygnus.com [205.180.230.102]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA28895; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:11:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] From: Anthony Green To: Jacob Andresen Cc: Brian Behlendorf , Bill Huey , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020328114700.U47000-100000@luke.hangzone.dk> References: <20020328114700.U47000-100000@luke.hangzone.dk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-0.7x) Date: 28 Mar 2002 07:12:24 -0800 Message-Id: <1017328348.2206.58.camel@dhcppc2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 02:57, Jacob Andresen wrote: > > are there any overview on how many would be interested in doing a > opensource jvm? and perhaps something that needs to be done? Rather than start work on a new opensource jvm, why not help out on one of the existing opensource jvms. For instance, the gcj project could always use some more help (http://gcc.gnu.org/java). While primarily billing itself as native code compiler for Java, the runtime library also includes a bytecode interpreter (no JIT yet). It's working pretty well right now. For instance, we're able to build and run most of the Apache projects (Tomcat, Xalan, etc). But there's always more to do! In the short term, right now we're preparing for the GCC 3.1 release (gcj is part of GCC). FreeBSD is one of the platforms giving us a little trouble right now. See... http://gcc.gnu.org/java/gcj-3.1-status.html We could use help looking into the test failures on x86 FreeBSD, and perhaps even trying builds on currently untested platforms. There are many interesting longer term projects, like developing/integrating a JIT compiler into the runtime. Thanks, AG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 28 7:41:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.sfbay.redhat.com [205.180.230.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB8C737B404 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcppc2 (taarna.cygnus.com [205.180.230.102]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA01126; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:41:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] From: Anthony Green To: Bill Huey Cc: Brian Behlendorf , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020328064218.GA2973@gnuppy.monkey.org> References: <20020328002610.GA2023@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20020327221634.M1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> <20020328064218.GA2973@gnuppy.monkey.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-0.7x) Date: 28 Mar 2002 07:42:22 -0800 Message-Id: <1017330145.2206.84.camel@dhcppc2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 2002-03-27 at 22:42, Bill Huey wrote: > IMO, from looking at all the HotSpot/JVM internals over this year and a > half time frame, that's impossible for an open source group to commit > the necessary resources to create a useable J2SE clone. You need too > many domain experts with too long term a focus to complete each > subsystem. I think the libraries are the real problem. Not only is the immense size of the libraries a problem (they grow with each release), but they aren't documented well enough to clone 100% reliably. That being said, and at the risk of beating a dead horse, I think the gcj project has been very successful. You can certainly build and run many useful applications with it today (or... at least with the coming 3.1 release, which will be real breakthrough release), and it works well on longish list of target systems. Leveraging off of the good work of the GCC project was smart, as was getting the FSF to cooperate on runtime libraries (they changed the GNU Classpath license to a more liberal GPL + an exception allowing static linking of the library with no further obligation from the user). The performance of the resulting binaries is good. It's competitive with state-of-the-art JIT systems. Meaning... sometimes faster, sometimes slower. When it's faster, it can be much faster. For instance, certain crypto operations used in SSL can run 10x faster than state-of-the-art commercial JITs. And start up times are always much faster. I've installed the Rhino javascript interpreter as /usr/bin/js. It really starts up incredibly quickly, making it a practical alternative unix scripting language (and 100% open source). And, finally, we get some relief on memory usage as well because we build _shared_ libraries out of the enormous java core libraries as opposed to each process JITting it's own copy of the code. I guess that's enough evangelism for one day :-) AG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 28 9: 8:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C781037B41D for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from caddis.yogotech.com (caddis.yogotech.com [206.127.123.130]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26239; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:08:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by caddis.yogotech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2SH88P17110; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:08:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15523.19960.610629.306337@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:08:08 -0700 To: Anthony Green Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] In-Reply-To: <1017328351.3770.59.camel@dhcppc2> References: <20020328114700.U47000-100000@luke.hangzone.dk> <1017328351.3770.59.camel@dhcppc2> X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > are there any overview on how many would be interested in doing a > > opensource jvm? and perhaps something that needs to be done? > > Rather than start work on a new opensource jvm, why not help out on one > of the existing opensource jvms. In case anyone is thinking of doing this, realize that *IF* you've downloaded the Sun JDK (to build the port), you may not be in a good legal position to work on GCJ, since you've had access to Sun's source code. > In the short term, right now we're preparing for the GCC 3.1 release > (gcj is part of GCC). FreeBSD is one of the platforms giving us a > little trouble right now. See... > http://gcc.gnu.org/java/gcj-3.1-status.html > We could use help looking into the test failures on x86 FreeBSD, and > perhaps even trying builds on currently untested platforms. Unfortunately, some folks who are capable of helping have legal entanglements due to Sun licensing that prevents them from helping. :( Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 28 9:38:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mgr2.xmission.com (mgr2.xmission.com [198.60.22.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549C237B421 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:38:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.135.128.145] (helo=misty.eyesbeyond.com) by mgr2.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16qdqz-000752-00; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:38:26 -0700 Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2SHcBN26290; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:08:11 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from glewis) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 04:08:11 +1030 From: Greg Lewis To: Nate Williams Cc: Anthony Green , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] Message-ID: <20020329040811.A26263@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <20020328114700.U47000-100000@luke.hangzone.dk> <1017328351.3770.59.camel@dhcppc2> <15523.19960.610629.306337@caddis.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15523.19960.610629.306337@caddis.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 10:08:08AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 10:08:08AM -0700, Nate Williams wrote: > > In the short term, right now we're preparing for the GCC 3.1 release > > (gcj is part of GCC). FreeBSD is one of the platforms giving us a > > little trouble right now. See... > > http://gcc.gnu.org/java/gcj-3.1-status.html > > We could use help looking into the test failures on x86 FreeBSD, and > > perhaps even trying builds on currently untested platforms. > > Unfortunately, some folks who are capable of helping have legal > entanglements due to Sun licensing that prevents them from helping. :( Giving a completely uninformed opinion... I think this depends on what the problem is. From the sounds of it, they have a version which works on some operating systems (I'm guessing Linux :). Merely fixing this to work on FreeBSD (for the definition of "working" already described by the test case) doesn't seem to me to present a problem. OTOH, implementing a feature or fixing a feature may well present a problem. Of course, thats merely a common sense point of view, not a legal one. -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 28 12: 1:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from hex.databits.net (hex.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 836FA37B417 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 12:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 38648 invoked by uid 1001); 28 Mar 2002 19:49:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:49:47 -0500 From: Pete Fritchman To: Ernst de Haan Cc: java@FreeBSD.org, ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: bsd.java.mk is here! Message-ID: <20020328144947.B37457@databits.net> References: <200203281130.MAA29406@smtp.hccnet.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200203281130.MAA29406@smtp.hccnet.nl>; from znerd@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 12:29:24PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ++ 28/03/02 12:29 +0100 - Ernst de Haan: | All, | | | Today bsd.java.mk has finally been added. Please update your ports collection | (ports-base for CVSup) and then change your ports to use USE_JAVA. See the | following specification document for more information about writing ports | that use bsd.java.mk: | | http://www.metaverse.nl/~ernst/writing.html It would be nice to get this information in the porters handbook, too. Good job on this! --pete -- Pete Fritchman [petef@(databits.net|freebsd.org|csh.rit.edu)] finger petef@databits.net for PGP key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 28 14: 2:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF7C37B416 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:02:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g2SM20Ym096047 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:02:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g2SM0jj3096025 for java@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:00:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:00:45 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: java@freebsd.org Subject: Why does the jdk ports use open-motif-devel rather than open-motif? Message-ID: <20020328140045.A95953@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org See subject. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 28 15: 4:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.hccnet.nl (smtp.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B1337B41D; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:04:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from there by smtp.hccnet.nl via uds62-60.dial.hccnet.nl [62.251.60.62] with SMTP id AAA22617 (8.8.8/1.13); Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:04:04 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200203282304.AAA22617@smtp.hccnet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Ernst de Haan Organization: FreeBSD Project To: Pete Fritchman Subject: Doc volunteers [Was: bsd.java.mk is here!] Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:59:04 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Cc: java@FreeBSD.org, ports@FreeBSD.org References: <200203281130.MAA29406@smtp.hccnet.nl> <20020328144947.B37457@databits.net> In-Reply-To: <20020328144947.B37457@databits.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > | http://www.metaverse.nl/~ernst/writing.html > > It would be nice to get this information in the porters handbook, too. Any volunteers ? (I can try, can't I ?!) ;> Ernst To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 28 16:49:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from gnuppy.monkey.org (wsip68-15-8-100.sd.sd.cox.net [68.15.8.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8407C37B405 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:49:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from billh by gnuppy.monkey.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16qkaJ-0000QZ-00; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:49:39 -0800 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 16:49:39 -0800 To: Anthony Green Cc: Brian Behlendorf , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] Message-ID: <20020329004939.GA1639@gnuppy.monkey.org> References: <20020328002610.GA2023@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20020327221634.M1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> <20020328064218.GA2973@gnuppy.monkey.org> <1017330145.2206.84.camel@dhcppc2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1017330145.2206.84.camel@dhcppc2> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i From: Bill Huey Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 07:42:22AM -0800, Anthony Green wrote: > The performance of the resulting binaries is good. It's competitive > with state-of-the-art JIT systems. Meaning... sometimes faster, > sometimes slower. When it's faster, it can be much faster. For > instance, certain crypto operations used in SSL can run 10x faster than > state-of-the-art commercial JITs. What about garbage collection speed for short lived objects ? That's critical for folks doing a lot of String manipulation and dealing with the GUI framework generating EventObject-s every where. > And, finally, we get some relief on memory usage as well because we > build _shared_ libraries out of the enormous java core libraries as > opposed to each process JITting it's own copy of the code. Is it JNI compatible BTW ? Have folks talked about compiling the class libraries from Sun so that they're useable with gjc ? bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 28 18:34:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp (cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp [133.9.68.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD28337B404 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:34:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp (shudoh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp (8.9.1a/3.7W) with ESMTP id LAA02202; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:33:58 +0900 Message-Id: <200203290233.LAA02202@cafe.muraoka.info.waseda.ac.jp> To: green@redhat.com Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] From: shudo@computer.org In-Reply-To: <1017330145.2206.84.camel@dhcppc2> References: <20020327221634.M1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> <20020328064218.GA2973@gnuppy.monkey.org> <1017330145.2206.84.camel@dhcppc2> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:33:58 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anthony Green wrote: > I think the gcj project has been very successful. > The performance of the resulting binaries is good. It's competitive > with state-of-the-art JIT systems. Meaning... sometimes faster, > sometimes slower. When it's faster, it can be much faster. For > instance, certain crypto operations used in SSL can run 10x faster than > state-of-the-art commercial JITs. I agree completely on your view that the GCJ is being mature in both performance and stability. Performance tests also endorse the fact: Performance comparison of JITs (Jan 2002) http://www.shudo.net/jit/perf/ But, your wording like `GCJ is 10 times faster than modern JITs' is misleading even it is not false at all. You may refer the following report, which says the GCJ do a work in a second but the HotSpot VM takes over 10 seconds. GCJ success stories (was: Re: status of gcj's boehm collector?) http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/java/2001-12/msg00108.html > And start up times are always much faster. Start up time (latency) and throughput (or peak performance) can be measured separately and evaluating separately is the way we as engineers prefer, I suppose. Bill Huey wrote: > IMO, from looking at all the HotSpot/JVM internals over this year and a > half time frame, that's impossible for an open source group to commit > the necessary resources to create a useable J2SE clone. You need too > many domain experts with too long term a focus to complete each > subsystem. I'm also sure there are a small number of people who can contribute to state-of-the-art language systems. But see GCC and GCJ. They are going forward certainly. Besides, a certain number of experts are working on open source Java projects, like GCJ, Hans Boehm, John Whaley, Kaffe, SableVM, OpenJIT, Wonka and others. Each one of us only do what will lead the world to what each hope. Kazuyuki Shudo shudo@computer.org http://www.shudo.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 28 21:26:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24BDC37B404 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:26:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from caddis.yogotech.com (caddis.yogotech.com [206.127.123.130]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04287; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:26:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by caddis.yogotech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2T5QjK22330; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:26:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15523.64276.424513.449922@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 22:26:44 -0700 To: Bill Huey Cc: Anthony Green , Brian Behlendorf , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] In-Reply-To: <20020329004939.GA1639@gnuppy.monkey.org> References: <20020328002610.GA2023@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20020327221634.M1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> <20020328064218.GA2973@gnuppy.monkey.org> <1017330145.2206.84.camel@dhcppc2> <20020329004939.GA1639@gnuppy.monkey.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > The performance of the resulting binaries is good. It's competitive > > with state-of-the-art JIT systems. Meaning... sometimes faster, > > sometimes slower. When it's faster, it can be much faster. For > > instance, certain crypto operations used in SSL can run 10x faster than > > state-of-the-art commercial JITs. > > What about garbage collection speed for short lived objects ? > > That's critical for folks doing a lot of String manipulation and dealing > with the GUI framework generating EventObject-s every where. Actually, GC speed is for short lived objects is not necessarily more important than GC spedd for long lived objects. GC speed in general is important, regardless of the lifetime of the object. However, if you do a good job on short-lived objects, it allows the program to have a smaller working set, and *may* (depending on the algorithm used) allow the GC portion that deals with long-term objects to work faster. This is the basis for many two-tiered GC systems, which have been implemented in all of the JIT's to date. (Including the Sun supplied JIT developed by Borland in the JDK1.1 days). Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Mar 28 21:48:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from web13101.mail.yahoo.com (web13101.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 488DB37B416 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:48:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020329054838.48916.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.162.195.150] by web13101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:48:38 PST Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:48:38 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: jdk-1.3.1p6 compile errors To: Calvin NG Cc: java@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20020328211425.F67280@brel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, You were right, my problems were related to the gettext port. When I was getting the errors in building JDK1.3.1 I have gettext-0.11.1 installed. What I did is I deinstalled that version and installed gettext-0.10.35_1 and everything went smoothly. Many Thanks!!! Marphil --- Calvin NG wrote: > Greetings, > > Glad that my suggestion help a little. > I am not familiar with the error messages you are > getting, sorry. > > The plugin is almost certainly related to the > browser plugins, > specifically plugins to use with native FreeBSD > netscape, and > native mozilla builds. > > > Looks like it is still problem with gettext, > msgfmt is part of gettext. > > Regards, > /calvin > > lines with :> are quotes from marphilvc@yahoo.com's > email > :> Hi Calvin, > :> > :> First, thanks for that very fast reply :) > :> > :> Alas, found libintl.h after reinstalling gettext > and > :> defining "WANT_FULL_GETTEXT". > :> > :> But now I am getting different errors: > :> > ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:24: > :> duplicate message definition > :> > ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:19: > :> ...this is the location of the first definition > :> > ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:30: > :> duplicate message definition > :> > ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:15: > :> ...this is the location of the first definition > :> > ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:34: > :> duplicate message definition > :> > ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:21: > :> ...this is the location of the first definition > :> > ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:36: > :> duplicate message definition > :> > ../../oji-plugin/src/motif/resources/ja/sunw_java_plugin.po:13: > :> ...this is the location of the first definition > :> msgfmt: found 4 fatal errors > :> gmake[1]: *** > :> > [/usr/ports/java/jdk13/work/j2sdk1.3.1/build/bsd-i386/lib/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/sunw_java_plugin.mo] > :> Error 1 > :> gmake[1]: Leaving directory > :> > `/usr/ports/java/jdk13/work/j2sdk1.3.1/ext/plugin/build/solaris' > :> gmake: *** [plugin-all] Error 1 > :> *** Error code 2 > :> Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk13. > :> > :> > :> > :> I did some investigation on the Makefile(s) and > found > :> out that the building of the plugins can be > disabled. > :> > :> > :> What exactly are these plugins? > :> Do I really need it? (seems the error am getting > is > :> for Japanese locale) > :> > :> > :> Thanks again! > :> > :> > :> Marphil > :> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Mar 29 0:49:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E1C37B420; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:49:22 +0100 Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FDA503@l04.research.kpn.com> From: "Koster, K.J." To: 'Ernst de Haan' Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Doc volunteers [Was: bsd.java.mk is here!] Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:49:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Ernst, > > > | http://www.metaverse.nl/~ernst/writing.html > > > > It would be nice to get this information in the porters > handbook, too. > > Any volunteers ? > > (I can try, can't I ?!) ;> > Actually, such volunteers lurk on the -doc mailing list. Kees Jan ===================================================== You can't have everything. Where would you put it? [Steven Wright] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Mar 29 3:16:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from t-mta7.odn.ne.jp (mfep7.odn.ne.jp [143.90.131.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA7837B420; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:16:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([61.201.56.119]) by t-mta7.odn.ne.jp with ESMTP id <20020329111637835.RDL.32433.t-mta7.odn.ne.jp@mta7.odn.ne.jp>; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:16:37 +0900 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 20:16:36 +0900 From: Kimura Fuyuki To: znerd@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bsd.java.mk is here! In-Reply-To: <200203281130.MAA29406@smtp.hccnet.nl> References: <200203281130.MAA29406@smtp.hccnet.nl> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.8.1 (Something) Emacs/21.2 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) X-Fingerprint: 096E 3D3A 47A6 855C 0FB8 0BB4 0FF1 3354 3389 CBDB MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20020329111637835.RDL.32433.t-mta7.odn.ne.jp@mta7.odn.ne.jp> Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Today bsd.java.mk has finally been added. Great, but isn't this a bug ? Index: bsd.java.mk =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/Mk/bsd.java.mk,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 bsd.java.mk --- bsd.java.mk 2002/03/28 11:24:43 1.1 +++ bsd.java.mk 2002/03/29 11:09:43 @@ -318,11 +318,11 @@ @${FALSE} . endif _DEPEND_JAVA= ${JAVA}:${PORTSDIR}/${JAVA_PORT} -. if !defined(JAVA_NO_BUILD_DEPENDS) +. if !defined(NO_BUILD_DEPENDS_JAVA) BUILD_DEPENDS+= ${_DEPEND_JAVA} .BEGIN: . endif -. if !defined(JAVA_NO_RUN_DEPENDS) +. if !defined(NO_RUN_DEPENDS_JAVA) RUN_DEPENDS+= ${_DEPEND_JAVA} . endif . endif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Mar 29 3:24:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.hccnet.nl (smtp.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D54237B404; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from there by smtp.hccnet.nl via uds110-60.dial.hccnet.nl [62.251.60.110] with SMTP id MAA10302 (8.8.8/1.13); Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:24:14 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200203291124.MAA10302@smtp.hccnet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Ernst de Haan Organization: FreeBSD Project To: Kimura Fuyuki Subject: Re: bsd.java.mk is here! Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:22:57 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200203281130.MAA29406@smtp.hccnet.nl> <20020329111637835.RDL.32433.t-mta7.odn.ne.jp@mta7.odn.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <20020329111637835.RDL.32433.t-mta7.odn.ne.jp@mta7.odn.ne.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kimura-SAN, Thank you very much, just committed the changes. Ernst On Friday 29 March 2002 12:16, Kimura Fuyuki wrote: > > Today bsd.java.mk has finally been added. > > Great, but isn't this a bug ? > > Index: bsd.java.mk > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/Mk/bsd.java.mk,v > retrieving revision 1.1 > diff -u -r1.1 bsd.java.mk > --- bsd.java.mk 2002/03/28 11:24:43 1.1 > +++ bsd.java.mk 2002/03/29 11:09:43 > @@ -318,11 +318,11 @@ > @${FALSE} > . endif > _DEPEND_JAVA= ${JAVA}:${PORTSDIR}/${JAVA_PORT} > -. if !defined(JAVA_NO_BUILD_DEPENDS) > +. if !defined(NO_BUILD_DEPENDS_JAVA) > BUILD_DEPENDS+= ${_DEPEND_JAVA} > .BEGIN: > . endif > -. if !defined(JAVA_NO_RUN_DEPENDS) > +. if !defined(NO_RUN_DEPENDS_JAVA) > RUN_DEPENDS+= ${_DEPEND_JAVA} > . endif > . endif > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-ports" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Mar 29 10: 1:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.sfbay.redhat.com [205.180.230.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE54537B404 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:01:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcppc2 (taarna.cygnus.com [205.180.230.102]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA01569; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:58:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] From: Anthony Green To: Bill Huey Cc: Brian Behlendorf , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020329004939.GA1639@gnuppy.monkey.org> References: <20020328002610.GA2023@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20020327221634.M1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> <20020328064218.GA2973@gnuppy.monkey.org> <1017330145.2206.84.camel@dhcppc2> <20020329004939.GA1639@gnuppy.monkey.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1017419202.5814.1933.camel@dhcppc2> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-0.7x) Date: 29 Mar 2002 09:59:10 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 16:49, Bill Huey wrote: > What about garbage collection speed for short lived objects ? I don't know off the top of my head. If you ask on java@gcc.gnu.org I'm sure you'll get plenty of good answers. > Is it JNI compatible BTW ? Yes. We also have a unique, and much faster native code interface called CNI if you can afford to lose portability. > Have folks talked about compiling the class > libraries from Sun so that they're useable with gjc ? Most of us are afraid of messing around with Sun's stuff due to licensing concerns. AG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Mar 29 16:21:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from gnuppy.monkey.org (wsip68-15-8-100.sd.sd.cox.net [68.15.8.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F36937B419 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from billh by gnuppy.monkey.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16r6cR-0000Q7-00; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:21:19 -0800 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:21:19 -0800 To: Anthony Green Cc: Brian Behlendorf , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] Message-ID: <20020330002119.GA1537@gnuppy.monkey.org> References: <20020328002610.GA2023@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20020327221634.M1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> <20020328064218.GA2973@gnuppy.monkey.org> <1017330145.2206.84.camel@dhcppc2> <20020329004939.GA1639@gnuppy.monkey.org> <1017419202.5814.1933.camel@dhcppc2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1017419202.5814.1933.camel@dhcppc2> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i From: Bill Huey Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 09:59:10AM -0800, Anthony Green wrote: > I don't know off the top of my head. If you ask on java@gcc.gnu.org I'm > sure you'll get plenty of good answers. Last time I looked, I didn't think that the Boehm GC was terribly modern and support either generational or incremental collection.: > > Is it JNI compatible BTW ? > > Yes. We also have a unique, and much faster native code interface > called CNI if you can afford to lose portability. At what price ? The JNI layer is heavy weight for a reason. And that's to provide direct access directly invoke methods so that stuff like RMI, etc... can happen in terms of the JVM itself so that it's transparent to runtime typing system. What about class reflection ? bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 30 5:59:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.sfbay.redhat.com [205.180.230.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 19AB937B416 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 05:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcppc2 (taarna.cygnus.com [205.180.230.102]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA15841; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 05:54:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [press@apache.org: PRESS RELEASE: ASF Reaches Agreement with Sun to Allow Open Source Java Implementations] From: Anthony Green To: Bill Huey Cc: Brian Behlendorf , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020330002119.GA1537@gnuppy.monkey.org> References: <20020328002610.GA2023@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20020327221634.M1335-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> <20020328064218.GA2973@gnuppy.monkey.org> <1017330145.2206.84.camel@dhcppc2> <20020329004939.GA1639@gnuppy.monkey.org> <1017419202.5814.1933.camel@dhcppc2> <20020330002119.GA1537@gnuppy.monkey.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-0.7x) Date: 30 Mar 2002 05:55:47 -0800 Message-Id: <1017496550.1853.22.camel@dhcppc2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 2002-03-29 at 16:21, Bill Huey wrote: > Last time I looked, I didn't think that the Boehm GC was terribly > modern and support either generational or incremental collection.: Well, it's a conservative collector (and does support incremental collection). We currently require the use of a conservative collector. > > Yes. We also have a unique, and much faster native code interface > > called CNI if you can afford to lose portability. > > At what price ? Portability. > The JNI layer is heavy weight for a reason. And that's > to provide direct access directly invoke methods so that stuff like > RMI, etc... can happen in terms of the JVM itself so that it's transparent > to runtime typing system. The JNI layer is heavy weight because it's designed to support multiple implementation schemes. While we do support JNI just fine, CNI is specifically tailored for use with gcj and g++. We have a program, gcjh, which is somewhat like javah in that it creates C headers from Java code. However, if you're using CNI, it will create C++ headers for those Java classes. They look almost identical to the Java classes. You simply implement your native methods in natural C++. You can directly manipulate data members, call other methods with zero overhead, etc. It's quite nice. But if you want portability, you can still use JNI. > What about class reflection ? Yes, that all works, including method invocation. AG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 30 6: 9:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from vortex.wa4phy.net (pcp01578012pcs.martnz01.ga.comcast.net [68.47.4.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD87537B400 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 06:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from vortex.wa4phy.net (localhost.wa4phy.net [127.0.0.1]) by vortex.wa4phy.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2UE98O07943 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:09:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sam@wa4phy.net) Message-ID: <3CA5C704.76DAE240@vortex.wa4phy.net> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:09:08 -0500 From: Sam Organization: You Gotta Be Kiddin! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Java newbie question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry if this has been asked before, but since the jdk13 finally built, and its actual use is working fine, I though maybe it might be useful for Netscape. Is this possible, and if so, what needs to be done? Thanks.. Sam -- Just because you're moving fast | BURMA SHAVE doesn't mean that you're really | going anwhere at all! | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 30 7:15: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.hccnet.nl (smtp.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C174D37B416 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 07:15:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from there by smtp.hccnet.nl via uds26-45.dial.hccnet.nl [62.251.45.26] with SMTP for id QAA05511 (8.8.8/1.13); Sat, 30 Mar 2002 16:13:02 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200203301513.QAA05511@smtp.hccnet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Ernst de Haan Organization: FreeBSD Project To: java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Building libraries from source Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 16:11:43 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, Now that we have a bsd.java.mk, we should first get the current ports to use USE_JAVA. Then at the same time we can define the destination directories for the shared libraries (JARs), for the JavaDoc files, etc. What is also one of my goals is building all Java ports from source. Currently ports like www/jakarta-tomcat download pre-built JARs. IMHO it would be an improvement if all dependency libraries for this JAR would be downloaded and installed separately, so everything can be installed from source. An extra advantage is, that you can then upgrade a library like xerces and have all libraries that use xerces use the upgraded version of xerces. I know that this may be a disadvantage in some cases too :) Any thoughts on the subject ? Ernst To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 30 9:24:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from web21106.mail.yahoo.com (web21106.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A4F5637B400 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:24:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020330172242.93509.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.0.5] by web21106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:22:42 PST Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:22:42 -0800 (PST) From: Hiten Pandya Reply-To: hiten@uk.FreeBSD.org Subject: A new article: "Java and Jakarta Tomcat for FreeBSD" article for the FDP To: java@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All, I wanted to just say that, I have submitted an article as a PR. The PR number follows: docs/36019 If someone is interested, they can commit it. There is no Java article on the FDP. This one will make a great addition. ;) Do not hesitate to contact me for more information regarding this article. [Please CC' a copy of the reply to me, as I am currently not subscribed to java@FreeBSD.org. Thanks a lot. :) ] Thanks, Regards, -- Hiten Pandya -- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 30 9:35:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.hccnet.nl (smtp.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73AB37B421 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from there by smtp.hccnet.nl via uds240-44.dial.hccnet.nl [62.251.44.240] with SMTP id SAA00407 (8.8.8/1.13); Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:34:26 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200203301734.SAA00407@smtp.hccnet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Ernst de Haan Organization: FreeBSD Project To: hiten@uk.FreeBSD.org, Hiten Pandya Subject: Re: A new article: "Java and Jakarta Tomcat for FreeBSD" article for the FDP Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 18:31:24 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20020330172242.93509.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20020330172242.93509.qmail@web21106.mail.yahoo.com> Cc: java@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hiten, You are probably better off submitting this to -doc. People on -java are not really doc-savvy :) Ernst On Saturday 30 March 2002 18:22, Hiten Pandya wrote: > Hi All, > > I wanted to just say that, I have submitted an article as a PR. The > PR number follows: > > docs/36019 > > If someone is interested, they can commit it. There is no Java article > on the FDP. This one will make a great addition. ;) > > Do not hesitate to contact me for more information regarding this > article. > > [Please CC' a copy of the reply to me, as I am currently not subscribed > to java@FreeBSD.org. Thanks a lot. :) ] > > Thanks, > Regards, > > -- Hiten Pandya > -- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > http://greetings.yahoo.com/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 30 9:36:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from web21109.mail.yahoo.com (web21109.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD9B837B405 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:36:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020330173606.80408.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.0.5] by web21109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:36:06 PST Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:36:06 -0800 (PST) From: Hiten Pandya Reply-To: hiten@uk.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: A new article: "Java and Jakarta Tomcat for FreeBSD" article for the FDP To: Ernst de Haan Cc: java@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <200203301734.SAA00407@smtp.hccnet.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --- Ernst de Haan wrote: > You are probably better off submitting this to -doc. People on -java are > not really doc-savvy :) I understand. :) Is it possible if the article can be reviewed, if there is anything to? Thanks, -- Hiten Pandya __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 30 19:48:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from pc-62-31-80-192-ll.blueyonder.co.uk (pc-62-31-80-192-ll.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.80.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8815137B41A for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:48:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1780 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2002 03:48:05 -0000 Received: from spatula.home (HELO cream.org) (192.168.0.4) by myriad.home with SMTP; 31 Mar 2002 03:48:05 -0000 Message-ID: <3CA6873D.1070007@cream.org> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 04:49:17 +0100 From: Andrew Boothman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020311 X-Accept-Language: en-gb, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ernst de Haan Cc: Pete Fritchman , java@FreeBSD.org, ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Doc volunteers [Was: bsd.java.mk is here!] References: <200203281130.MAA29406@smtp.hccnet.nl> <20020328144947.B37457@databits.net> <200203282304.AAA22617@smtp.hccnet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ernst de Haan wrote: >>| http://www.metaverse.nl/~ernst/writing.html >> >>It would be nice to get this information in the porters handbook, too. >> > >Any volunteers ? > >(I can try, can't I ?!) ;> > I've got a little experience at writing stuff up for the documentation project, there's not too much information on that page and combine that with some spare time during my easter vacation from university and I'll have a go at doing it for you. :-) Andrew. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sat Mar 30 23: 5:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-104-17.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.104.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E80E37B417; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EFDBA66D1E; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:05:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:05:44 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Ernst de Haan Cc: cvs@FreeBSD.org, java@FreeBSD.org, portmgr@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Request for ports repocopy: www/jakarta-tomcat to www/jakarta-tomcat4 Message-ID: <20020330230544.A94142@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200203302119.WAA24804@smtp.hccnet.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200203302119.WAA24804@smtp.hccnet.nl>; from znerd@FreeBSD.org on Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 10:18:22PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Mar 30, 2002 at 10:18:22PM +0100, Ernst de Haan wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Hereby I request a repocopy of www/jakarta-tomcat to www/jakarta-tomcat4.= =20 > Attached is the diff. >=20 > A new port is needed for Tomcat 4, because Tomcat 3 and 4 are two separat= e=20 > development branches. Tomcat 4 is based on a new=20 > architecture. >=20 > For more info, see http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/. >=20 > There have been a lot of requests for this port, either via freebsd-java,= via=20 > a PR or directly to me. Is the tomcat4 port production-quality, or is it still in development? If yes, then perhaps it's better to move jakarta-tomcat to jakarta-tomcat3 instead. Kris --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8prVIWry0BWjoQKURAqq1AJ4rb9/LYCLU+YmrURICgnUhF+u0ZwCg+yIX P7sxCekkaYRaLU552IQeDPM= =WWzd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message