From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Jan 13 12:17:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from amsfep12-int.chello.nl (amsfep12-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA2E37B402; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:17:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from iae.nl ([213.46.9.162]) by amsfep12-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020113201732.UYTU18578.amsfep12-int.chello.nl@iae.nl>; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:17:32 +0100 Message-ID: <3C41EB5C.4BF459DC@iae.nl> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:17:32 +0100 From: Hans Ottevanger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Baldwin Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New cdboot ISO available References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Baldwin wrote: > [...] > > Please test this ISO and provide feedback to the -stable or -qa lists thanks. > I tested the 4.5-RC1-cdboot.iso image on my dual Celeron 466 machines (Abit BP6 based), and it booted without any problem (did not do a complete install yet). However, on an older Pentium 200 MMX machine, Intel TC430HX motherboard, 64 Mbyte RAM, AOpen 48x CD-ROM as secondary master, and a 20 Gbyte harddisk connected to a Promise Ultra ATA-100 adaptor, I get the following: CD Loader 1.01 Building the boot loader arguments Looking up /BOOT/LOADER... Found Relocating the loader and the BTX Starting the BTX loader BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.01 int=00000005 err=00000000 efl=00010282 eip=0001cf18 eax=00000000 ebx=00000001 ecx=00000002 edx=00000001 esi=00000002 edi=00000006 ebp=d5612901 esp=00092c85 cs=002b ds=0033 es=0033 fs=0033 gs=0033 ss=0033 cs:eip=2e 62 75 73 00 46 69 72-65 77 69 72 65 00 64 69 ss:esp=01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00-00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 BTX halted This machine boots perfectly with the "normal" 4.5-RC1.iso image. Kinds regards, Hans To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Jan 13 20:13: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2536737B405 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.kuzbass.ru (kost [213.184.65.82]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0E4Csm99217 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:12:55 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen@www.kuzbass.ru) Message-ID: <3C425ABF.E0FF2DFA@www.kuzbass.ru> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:12:47 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: qa@freebsd.org Subject: kern/33833 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please review http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/33833. There is an example of breaking POLA and it's even not documented yet. Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Jan 14 2: 4: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail12.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 885E937B41E for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:03:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1332 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2002 10:03:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Jan 2002 10:03:43 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3C41EB5C.4BF459DC@iae.nl> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:03:04 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Hans Ottevanger Subject: Re: New cdboot ISO available Cc: qa@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 13-Jan-02 Hans Ottevanger wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: >> > [...] >> >> Please test this ISO and provide feedback to the -stable or -qa lists >> thanks. >> > > I tested the 4.5-RC1-cdboot.iso image on my dual Celeron 466 machines > (Abit BP6 based), and it booted without any problem (did not do a > complete install yet). > > However, on an older Pentium 200 MMX machine, Intel TC430HX motherboard, > 64 Mbyte RAM, AOpen 48x CD-ROM as secondary master, and a 20 Gbyte > harddisk connected to a Promise Ultra ATA-100 adaptor, I get the > following: > > CD Loader 1.01 > > Building the boot loader arguments > Looking up /BOOT/LOADER... Found > Relocating the loader and the BTX > Starting the BTX loader > > BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.01 > > int=00000005 err=00000000 efl=00010282 eip=0001cf18 > eax=00000000 ebx=00000001 ecx=00000002 edx=00000001 > esi=00000002 edi=00000006 ebp=d5612901 esp=00092c85 > > cs=002b ds=0033 es=0033 fs=0033 gs=0033 ss=0033 > > cs:eip=2e 62 75 73 00 46 69 72-65 77 69 72 65 00 64 69 > ss:esp=01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00-00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 > BTX halted Hmm, this looks similar to another panic I've seen in that it's executing text. The data at cs:eip is ".bus\0Firewire\0di" Until I can reproduce this and figure out what's going on, we should probably just go with the boot.flp ISO's by default still. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Jan 14 9: 1:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from paperboy.epcdirect.co.uk (paperboy.epcdirect.co.uk [195.10.242.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB6037B420; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by paperboy.epcdirect.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g0EH1T797874; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:01:29 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-net@epcdirect.co.uk) Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from lfarr (l-farr.int.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.6.200]) by paperboy.epcdirect.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.1av) with ESMTP id g0EH1Pd97866; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:01:26 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-net@epcdirect.co.uk) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: Cc: "'John Baldwin'" , Subject: RE: New cdboot ISO available Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:01:27 -0000 Message-ID: <002b01c19d1d$1b22ea50$c806a8c0@lfarr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Boots a Dell Poweredge 6400 Quad Xeon/4Gb ram with no problems. Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of John Baldwin > Sent: 10 January 2002 10:00 > To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG; qa@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: New cdboot ISO available > > > A new experimental CD bootstrap was recently added to -stable > for the i386 > architecture that allows the full contents of the CD to be > used when booting. > The method we currently uses relies on the BIOS emulating a > floppy drive from a > floppy image file on the CD. This limits the size of the > kernel that we can > boot off of. The new CD bootstrap allows a full GENERIC > kernel to be used when > booting off of a CD, allowing more drivers to work out of the > box. However, > not all BIOS's that support the older method support this > newer method of CD > booting. > > The release engineering team would like feedback as to > roughly how many > machines do not work with the new bootstrap utility as well > as how many > machines do work. If most machines work with the new > bootstrap, then we may > switch to using the new bootstrap on the release ISO images. > > Note that this only affects booting directly from the CD. > Booting from > floppies and then installing off of the CD will work the same > with both images. > > The cdboot image can be found at > ftp://releng4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES /4.5-RC1-cdboot.iso The MD5 checksum of the image is: MD5 (4.5-RC1-cdboot.iso) = 294c50cdfe77f51b8224ae9679afeabf This new bootstrap utility is used on Windows NT 4, Windows ME, and Windows 2000 CD's (and probably Windows XP CD's), so if your system has a 'Designed for' sticker featuring one of those operating systems, it will probably work with cdboot. Please test this ISO and provide feedback to the -stable or -qa lists thanks. RC1 x86 cdboot Errata : 1. The kernel configuration tool USERCONFIG does not currently work on the cdboot ISO. Thanks! - The FreeBSD 4.5 Release Engineering Team To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Jan 14 10:15:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from posgate.acis.com.au (posgate.acis.com.au [203.14.230.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8933537B404; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:15:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from bullseye.apana.org.au (dialup-2.aaa.net.au [203.14.230.67]) by posgate.acis.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0EIFUM01995; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 05:15:30 +1100 Received: from bullseye.apana.org.au (tenring.andymac.org [203.9.107.238]) by bullseye.apana.org.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0ECW6X64803; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:32:07 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:27:26 +1100 (EDT) From: Andrew MacIntyre To: Kent Stewart Cc: John Baldwin , , Subject: Re: Sis735 & 4.4 (was New cdboot ISO available) In-Reply-To: <3C410652.1020300@owt.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: andymac@bullseye.andymac.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Kent Stewart wrote: > >>I have a ECS K7S5A that booted but sysinstall was completely hung. I > >>had to hit the reset button to reboot. > >> > > > > Hmmm, that is weird. I assume it doesn't hang with the normal ISO image? > > It boots the 4.4-release that was part of the 4-cd set just fine. This > K7S5a has a DVD player on it for the CDROM. I tried the 4.5-iso on one > of my other computers and it ran just fine. I have to go out but when > I get back I have two other SiS-735 based computers that are being > upgraded so they have W Paul's SiS-900 network update added. They all > have CDROM players on them. I will try them when I reboot after > installing the results of my latest cvsup. Hmmm, my K7S5A doesn't like 4.4 - it boots the install CD and installs, but then won't boot off the HD (IDE). 4.2 installed and boots off the HD just fine :-|. I don't have a copy of the failure report, but from memory it died just after starting the daemons, and reported a signal 12. I had trouble with the 4.5RC1 miniboot cd on the K7S5A too, but I think I got a bad download as I couldn't boot it on my Abit BP6 box (which someone else reported as working), or mount the ISO image via vn on it (the BP6, which is currently running 4.2R) - "cd9660: illegal argument" or some such. Apologies for the lack of real information in this followup - I hadn't followed through on this earlier because the K7S5A box normally runs OS/2 so getting 4.4 installed on it wasn't high priority. -- Andrew I MacIntyre "These thoughts are mine alone..." E-mail: andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au | Snail: PO Box 370 andymac@pcug.org.au | Belconnen ACT 2616 Web: http://www.andymac.org/ | Australia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Jan 14 13:41:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4D637B400 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.11.3/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0ELfhQ02300; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:41:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:41:43 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Eugene Grosbein Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kern/33833 In-Reply-To: <3C425ABF.E0FF2DFA@www.kuzbass.ru> Message-ID: <20020114134043.P1215-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> X-All-Your-Base: are belong to us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > Please review http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/33833. > There is an example of breaking POLA and it's even not documented yet. 'pseudo-device ether' has generally been required since the beginning of time. It's certainly needed for ppp since it sets up a ether-like interface. If you compiled without DUMMYNET you wouldn't run into the problem, btw. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Jan 14 14:35:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E81237B416; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:35:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32516; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:35:08 -0800 Message-ID: <3C435D1C.2050504@owt.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:35:08 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew MacIntyre Cc: John Baldwin , qa@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sis735 & 4.4 (was New cdboot ISO available) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrew MacIntyre wrote: > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Kent Stewart wrote: > > >>>>I have a ECS K7S5A that booted but sysinstall was completely hung. I >>>>had to hit the reset button to reboot. >>>> >>>> >>>Hmmm, that is weird. I assume it doesn't hang with the normal ISO image? >>> >>It boots the 4.4-release that was part of the 4-cd set just fine. This >>K7S5a has a DVD player on it for the CDROM. I tried the 4.5-iso on one >>of my other computers and it ran just fine. I have to go out but when >>I get back I have two other SiS-735 based computers that are being >>upgraded so they have W Paul's SiS-900 network update added. They all >>have CDROM players on them. I will try them when I reboot after >>installing the results of my latest cvsup. >> > > Hmmm, my K7S5A doesn't like 4.4 - it boots the install CD and installs, > but then won't boot off the HD (IDE). 4.2 installed and boots off the HD > just fine :-|. I don't have a copy of the failure report, but from memory > it died just after starting the daemons, and reported a signal 12. > > I had trouble with the 4.5RC1 miniboot cd on the K7S5A too, but I think I > got a bad download as I couldn't boot it on my Abit BP6 box (which someone > else reported as working), or mount the ISO image via vn on it (the BP6, > which is currently running 4.2R) - "cd9660: illegal argument" or some > such. > > Apologies for the lack of real information in this followup - I hadn't > followed through on this earlier because the K7S5A box normally runs OS/2 > so getting 4.4 installed on it wasn't high priority. I cvsup upgraded to 4.4 and didn´t have a problem getting it to boot. I have 3 systems based on the SiS-735 chipset that have been running 4-stable. You don't have anything faster that ata-33 without recent changes by Sören. I have two systems with CDs on them and I could boot the 4.5rc1.iso and sysinstall appeared to work. It was only on the 3rd system with the dvd device that I had problems. It would boot but sysinstall was hung from startup. FWIW, I also have a fully functional sis0 NIC (on all 3 systems, 2-'ECS'K7S5As and an Amptron 830LM) with an additional change that will be made soon (hopefully!!) to if_sis.c Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Jan 14 16:50:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from spoon.beta.com (spoon.beta.com [199.165.180.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D48337B404 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from spoon.beta.com (mcgovern@localhost.beta.com [127.0.0.1]) by spoon.beta.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0F0of927234; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:50:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mcgovern@spoon.beta.com) Message-Id: <200201150050.g0F0of927234@spoon.beta.com> To: Doug White Cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kern/33833 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 14 Jan 2002 16:49:24 PST." <20020114164813.N1215-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:50:41 -0500 From: Brian McGovern Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Shouldn't be too hard, though. There are only a few hundred devices :) If you want, I'll take a stab at it tomorrow, and present my list to freebsd-qa for comment, and then maybe we can pass it along to the doc list and hackers for appropriate treatment. -Brian > On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Brian McGovern wrote: > > > If there were to be a change in the docs or LINT file, I'd vote to have > > it say 'Unless you are _really_ clue, don't remove this option'. In my > > mind, it is akin to the npx0 driver. > > There's several options, including INET and COMPAT_43, that land in the > same bucket. The kernel won't build or operate without these. Running a > sweep over LINT to pick out Must-Have options would be a Good Thing, but > certainly not easy or fun... > > Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve > dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Jan 14 19:25:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E57037B41A for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.kuzbass.ru (kost [213.184.65.82]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0F3POm76829; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:25:25 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen@www.kuzbass.ru) Message-ID: <3C43A11D.B9534992@www.kuzbass.ru> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:25:17 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug White Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kern/33833 References: <20020114134043.P1215-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug White wrote: > > Please review http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/33833. > > There is an example of breaking POLA and it's even not documented yet. > > 'pseudo-device ether' has generally been required since the beginning of > time. It's certainly needed for ppp since it sets up a ether-like > interface. It's wrong. It was not required for 4.4-RELEASE & kernel level ppp. I've noticed this change after cvsup when my working kernel failed to rebuild. > If you compiled without DUMMYNET you wouldn't run into the problem, btw. Of course, but DUMMYNET is required for some applications. 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ------=_NextPart_000_0011_0156DCBA.69DCBAF0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Jan 15 15:36:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA6D37B41C for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id C81714B65D; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:36:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:36:20 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: RC2 Message-ID: <20020115233620.GQ6073@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Bqc0IY4JZZt50bUr" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Bqc0IY4JZZt50bUr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd like to release RC2 sometime in the next 36 hours or so. I've made numerous builds since RC1, but all of them have had at least some kind of known issue, so I would prefer to wait until we can put out a real "Release Candidate". That said, the release engineers could sure use help with the following things : 1) x86 floppy overflow. The Linux module requires sysvipc, but this has not been made into a module on -STABLE. There are a number of possible solutions. a. MFC the module code. (Large impact, risky.) b. Put sysvipc back in the boot kernel, and remove other features or devices. (safest, but what to remove?) c. Put sysvipc back in the boot kernel, and accept one of Matt or Ian's patches to remove macro bloat. (nice solution, but a little risky to touch NFS code and other area this late in the cycle). 2) Building X on the Alpha. The 3.3.6a patch causes all kinds of problems on the Alpha architecture. =20 Any ideas? Thanks, - Murray --Bqc0IY4JZZt50bUr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8RLzztNcQog5FH30RAqRIAJ9TACajbFtomZTQ9B3J/Wr5CDgKtACeOC/h Dn3kIbndGEIhllXBsyFMdeA= =ikJD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Bqc0IY4JZZt50bUr-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Jan 15 15:41:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B5837B416 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:40:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 2BFEC4B65D; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:40:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:40:38 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Changes to man(1) Message-ID: <20020115234038.GR6073@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BzCohdixPhurzSK4" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --BzCohdixPhurzSK4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The release engineers would really like to see Ruslan's latest changes to man(1) in FreeBSD 4.5. This change closes a number of potential security holes that could allow privilege escalation. Please help us look over the recent commit to -CURRENT before we allow this to be MFCed. Here are the relevant commits from Ruslan : Thanks, - Murray --- From: Ruslan Ermilov Subject: cvs commit: src/gnu/usr.bin/man/man Makefile man.c man.man src/gnu/usr.bin/man/manpath Makefile To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:12:00 -0800 (PST) ru 2002/01/11 07:12:00 PST Modified files: gnu/usr.bin/man/man Makefile man.c man.man=20 gnu/usr.bin/man/manpath Makefile=20 Log: Now that we have the original BSD man(1)'s ${MACHINE} feature back (as of man.c,v 1.45), change the meaning of the -m option from poorly documented and badly coded "alternate system" to a much more useful "different architecture for the same system". =20 PR: docs/31261 =20 Revision Changes Path 1.32 +2 -2 src/gnu/usr.bin/man/man/Makefile 1.50 +20 -103 src/gnu/usr.bin/man/man/man.c 1.20 +20 -15 src/gnu/usr.bin/man/man/man.man 1.26 +2 -2 src/gnu/usr.bin/man/manpath/Makefile From: Ruslan Ermilov Subject: cvs commit: src/gnu/usr.bin/man/man Makefile man.c src/etc/mtree BSD.local.dist BSD.usr.dist BSD.x11-4.dist BSD.x11.dist To: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:11:05 -0800 (PST) ru 2002/01/15 06:11:05 PST Modified files: gnu/usr.bin/man/man Makefile man.c=20 etc/mtree BSD.local.dist BSD.usr.dist=20 BSD.x11-4.dist BSD.x11.dist=20 Log: Do not install man(1) setuid ``man''. =20 The catpaging and setuidness features of man(1) combined make it vulnerable to a number of security attacks. Specifically, it was possible to overwrite system catpages with arbitrarily contents by either setting up a symlink to a directory holding system catpages, or by writing custom -mdoc or -man groff(1) macro packages and setting up GROFF_TMAC_PATH in environment to point to them. (See PR below for details). =20 This means man(1) can no longer create system catpages on a regular user's behalf. (It is still able to if the user has write permissions to the directory holding catpages, e.g., user's own manpages, or if the running user is ``root''.) =20 To create and install catpages during ``make world'', please set MANBUILDCAT=3DYES in /etc/make.conf. To rebuild catpages on a weekly basis, please set weekly_catman_enable=3D"YES" in /etc/periodic.conf. =20 PR: bin/32791 =20 Revision Changes Path 1.85 +3 -7 src/etc/mtree/BSD.local.dist 1.251 +4 -6 src/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist 1.19 +2 -4 src/etc/mtree/BSD.x11-4.dist 1.16 +2 -4 src/etc/mtree/BSD.x11.dist 1.33 +1 -4 src/gnu/usr.bin/man/man/Makefile 1.51 +2 -62 src/gnu/usr.bin/man/man/man.c Index: gnu/usr.bin/man/man/Makefile =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/man/man/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.27.2.2 diff -u -p -r1.27.2.2 Makefile --- gnu/usr.bin/man/man/Makefile 2001/04/25 12:03:53 1.27.2.2 +++ gnu/usr.bin/man/man/Makefile 2002/01/15 14:45:42 @@ -5,9 +5,6 @@ MAN_LIBZ=3DYES =20 PROG=3D man SRCS=3D man.c manpath.c glob.c -BINOWN=3D man -BINMODE=3D4555 -INSTALLFLAGS+=3D -fschg =20 CFLAGS+=3D -I${LIBDESTDIR} DPADD=3D ${LIBMAN} @@ -20,7 +17,7 @@ CFLAGS+=3D-DHAVE_LIBZ=3D1 .endif =20 CFLAGS+=3D -I${.CURDIR}/../lib -DSTDC_HEADERS -DPOSIX -DHAS_TROFF -CFLAGS+=3D -DDO_COMPRESS -DALT_SYSTEMS -DSETREUID -DCATMODE=3D0644 +CFLAGS+=3D -DDO_COMPRESS -DCATMODE=3D0644 CLEANFILES+=3D man.1 =20 .PATH: ${.CURDIR}/../manpath Index: gnu/usr.bin/man/man/man.c =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/man/man/man.c,v retrieving revision 1.37.2.3 diff -u -p -r1.37.2.3 man.c --- gnu/usr.bin/man/man/man.c 2002/01/05 16:17:30 1.37.2.3 +++ gnu/usr.bin/man/man/man.c 2002/01/15 14:45:54 @@ -86,11 +86,6 @@ static int whatis; static int findall; static int print_where; =20 -#ifdef ALT_SYSTEMS -static int alt_system; -static char *alt_system_name; -#endif - #ifdef __FreeBSD__ /* short_locale without country suffix */ static char *locale, *short_locale, *locale_opts, *locale_nroff; @@ -114,7 +109,6 @@ static int troff =3D 0; int debug; =20 #ifdef HAS_TROFF -#ifdef ALT_SYSTEMS #ifdef __FreeBSD__ static char args[] =3D "M:P:S:adfhkm:op:tw?"; #else @@ -122,32 +116,10 @@ static char args[] =3D "M:P:S:adfhkm:p:tw? #endif #else #ifdef __FreeBSD__ -static char args[] =3D "M:P:S:adfhkop:tw?"; -#else -static char args[] =3D "M:P:S:adfhkp:tw?"; -#endif -#endif -#else -#ifdef ALT_SYSTEMS -#ifdef __FreeBSD__ static char args[] =3D "M:P:S:adfhkm:op:w?"; #else static char args[] =3D "M:P:S:adfhkm:p:w?"; #endif -#else -#ifdef __FreeBSD__ -static char args[] =3D "M:P:S:adfhkop:w?"; -#else -static char args[] =3D "M:P:S:adfhkp:w?"; -#endif -#endif -#endif - -#ifdef SETREUID -uid_t ruid; -uid_t euid; -gid_t rgid; -gid_t egid; #endif =20 int @@ -187,15 +159,6 @@ main (argc, argv) gripe_no_name (tmp); } =20 -#ifdef SETREUID - ruid =3D getuid(); - rgid =3D getgid(); - euid =3D geteuid(); - egid =3D getegid(); - setreuid(-1, ruid); - setregid(-1, rgid); -#endif - while (optind < argc) { nextarg =3D argv[optind++]; @@ -242,50 +205,26 @@ usage () static char usage_string[1024] =3D "%s, version %s\n\n"; =20 #ifdef HAS_TROFF -#ifdef ALT_SYSTEMS #ifdef __FreeBSD__ static char s1[] =3D - "usage: %s [-adfhkotw] [section] [-M path] [-P pager] [-S list]\n\ - [-m system] [-p string] name ...\n\n"; + "usage: %s [-adfhkmotw] [section] [-M path] [-P pager] [-S list]\n\ + [-m machine] [-p string] name ...\n\n"; #else static char s1[] =3D - "usage: %s [-adfhktw] [section] [-M path] [-P pager] [-S list]\n\ - [-m system] [-p string] name ...\n\n"; + "usage: %s [-adfhkmtw] [section] [-M path] [-P pager] [-S list]\n\ + [-m machine] [-p string] name ...\n\n"; #endif #else #ifdef __FreeBSD__ static char s1[] =3D - "usage: %s [-adfhkotw] [section] [-M path] [-P pager] [-S list]\n\ - [-p string] name ...\n\n"; + "usage: %s [-adfhkmow] [section] [-M path] [-P pager] [-S list]\n\ + [-m machine] [-p string] name ...\n\n"; #else static char s1[] =3D - "usage: %s [-adfhktw] [section] [-M path] [-P pager] [-S list]\n\ - [-p string] name ...\n\n"; + "usage: %s [-adfhkmw] [section] [-M path] [-P pager] [-S list]\n\ + [-m machine] [-p string] name ...\n\n"; #endif #endif -#else -#ifdef ALT_SYSTEMS -#ifdef __FreeBSD__ - static char s1[] =3D - "usage: %s [-adfhkow] [section] [-M path] [-P pager] [-S list]\n\ - [-m system] [-p string] name ...\n\n"; -#else - static char s1[] =3D - "usage: %s [-adfhkw] [section] [-M path] [-P pager] [-S list]\n\ - [-m system] [-p string] name ...\n\n"; -#endif -#else -#ifdef __FreeBSD__ - static char s1[] =3D - "usage: %s [-adfhkow] [section] [-M path] [-P pager] [-S list]\n\ - [-p string] name ...\n\n"; -#else - static char s1[] =3D - "usage: %s [-adfhkw] [section] [-M path] [-P pager] [-S list]\n\ - [-p string] name ...\n\n"; -#endif -#endif -#endif =20 static char s2[] =3D " a : find all matching entries\n\ d : print gobs of debugging information\n\ @@ -294,21 +233,18 @@ static char s2[] =3D " a : find all match k : same as apropos(1)\n"; =20 #ifdef __FreeBSD__ - static char s21[] =3D " o : use original, non-localized manpages\n"; + static char s3[] =3D " o : use original, non-localized manpages\n"; #endif =20 #ifdef HAS_TROFF - static char s3[] =3D " t : use troff to format pages for printing\n"; + static char s4[] =3D " t : use troff to format pages for printing\n"; #endif - - static char s4[] =3D " w : print location of man page(s) that would be = displayed\n\n\ - M path : set search path for manual pages to `path'\n\ - P pager : use program `pager' to display pages\n\ - S list : colon separated section list\n"; =20 -#ifdef ALT_SYSTEMS - static char s5[] =3D " m system : search for alternate system's man pag= es\n"; -#endif + static char s5[] =3D " w : print location of man page(s) that would be = displayed\n\n\ + M path : set search path for manual pages to `path'\n\ + P pager : use program `pager' to display pages\n\ + S list : colon separated section list\n\ + m machine : search for alternate architecture man pages\n"; =20 static char s6[] =3D " p string : string tells which preprocessors to r= un\n\ e - [n]eqn(1) p - pic(1) t - tbl(1)\n\ @@ -317,18 +253,14 @@ static char s2[] =3D " a : find all match strcat (usage_string, s1); strcat (usage_string, s2); #ifdef __FreeBSD__ - strcat (usage_string, s21); -#endif - -#ifdef HAS_TROFF strcat (usage_string, s3); #endif =20 +#ifdef HAS_TROFF strcat (usage_string, s4); +#endif =20 -#ifdef ALT_SYSTEMS strcat (usage_string, s5); -#endif =20 strcat (usage_string, s6); =20 @@ -417,12 +349,9 @@ man_getopt (argc, argv) gripe_incompatible ("-k and -w"); apropos++; break; -#ifdef ALT_SYSTEMS case 'm': - alt_system++; - alt_system_name =3D strdup (optarg); + machine =3D optarg; break; -#endif case 'o': use_original++; break; @@ -504,7 +433,7 @@ man_getopt (argc, argv) if (debug) fprintf (stderr, "\nusing %s as pager\n", pager); =20 - if ((machine =3D getenv ("MACHINE")) =3D=3D NULL) + if (machine =3D=3D NULL && (machine =3D getenv ("MACHINE")) =3D=3D NULL) machine =3D MACHINE; =20 if (debug) @@ -521,15 +450,6 @@ man_getopt (argc, argv) manp); } =20 -#ifdef ALT_SYSTEMS - if (alt_system_name =3D=3D NULL || *alt_system_name =3D=3D '\0') - if ((alt_system_name =3D getenv ("SYSTEM")) !=3D NULL) - alt_system_name =3D strdup (alt_system_name); - - if (alt_system_name !=3D NULL && *alt_system_name !=3D '\0') - downcase (alt_system_name); -#endif - /* * Expand the manpath into a list for easier handling. */ @@ -543,26 +463,7 @@ man_getopt (argc, argv) if ((end =3D strchr (p, ':')) !=3D NULL) *end =3D '\0'; =20 -#ifdef ALT_SYSTEMS - if (alt_system) - { - char buf[FILENAME_MAX]; - - if (debug) - fprintf (stderr, "Alternate system `%s' specified\n", - alt_system_name); - - snprintf(buf, sizeof(buf), "%s/%s", p, alt_system_name); - - mp =3D add_dir_to_mpath_list (mp, buf); - } - else - { - mp =3D add_dir_to_mpath_list (mp, p); - } -#else mp =3D add_dir_to_mpath_list (mp, p); -#endif if (end =3D=3D NULL) break; =20 @@ -1187,7 +1088,7 @@ restore_sigs() * 1 for success and 0 for failure. */ int -make_cat_file (path, man_file, cat_file, manid) +make_cat_file (path, man_file, cat_file) register char *path; register char *man_file; register char *cat_file; @@ -1228,35 +1129,16 @@ make_cat_file (path, man_file, cat_file, if (debug) fprintf (stderr, "\ntrying command: %s\n", command); else { - -#ifdef SETREUID - if (manid) { - setreuid(-1, ruid); - setregid(-1, rgid); - } -#endif if ((pp =3D popen(command, "r")) =3D=3D NULL) { s =3D errno; fprintf(stderr, "Failed.\n"); errno =3D s; perror("popen"); -#ifdef SETREUID - if (manid) { - setreuid(-1, euid); - setregid(-1, egid); - } -#endif unlink(temp); restore_sigs(); fclose(fp); return 0; } -#ifdef SETREUID - if (manid) { - setreuid(-1, euid); - setregid(-1, egid); - } -#endif =20 f =3D 0; while ((s =3D getc(pp)) !=3D EOF) { @@ -1392,47 +1274,7 @@ format_and_display (path, man_file, cat_ } else { - -#ifdef SETREUID - setreuid(-1, euid); - setregid(-1, egid); - found =3D make_cat_file (path, man_file, cat_file, 1); -#else - found =3D make_cat_file (path, man_file, cat_file, 0); -#endif -#ifdef SETREUID - setreuid(-1, ruid); - setregid(-1, rgid); - - if (!found) - { - /* Try again as real user - see note below. - By running with - effective group (user) ID =3D=3D real group (user) ID - except for the call above, I believe the problems - of reading private man pages is avoided. */ - found =3D make_cat_file (path, man_file, cat_file, 0); - } -#endif -#ifdef SECURE_MAN_UID - if (!found) - { - /* - * Try again as real user. Note that for private - * man pages, we won't even get this far unless the - * effective user can read the real user's man page - * source. Also, if we are trying to find all the - * man pages, this will probably make it impossible - * to make cat files in the system directories if - * the real user's man directories are searched - * first, because there's no way to undo this (is - * there?). Yikes, am I missing something obvious? - */ - setuid (getuid ()); - - found =3D make_cat_file (path, man_file, cat_file, 0); - } -#endif + found =3D make_cat_file (path, man_file, cat_file); if (found) { /* Index: gnu/usr.bin/man/man/man.man =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/man/man/man.man,v retrieving revision 1.10.2.6 diff -u -p -r1.10.2.6 man.man --- gnu/usr.bin/man/man/man.man 2002/01/05 16:19:02 1.10.2.6 +++ gnu/usr.bin/man/man/man.man 2002/01/15 14:45:56 @@ -23,7 +23,7 @@ .Sh SYNOPSIS .Nm .Op Fl adfhkotw -.Op Fl m Ar system +.Op Fl m Ar machine .Op Fl p Ar string .Op Fl M Ar path .Op Fl P Ar pager @@ -67,7 +67,7 @@ Specify which pager to use. By default, .Nm uses -.Nm %pager% , +.Nm %pager% . This option overrides the .Ev PAGER environment variable. @@ -97,9 +97,20 @@ Print a one line help message and exit. .It Fl k Equivalent to .Nm apropos . -.It Fl m Ar system -Specify an alternate set of man pages to search based on the system -name given. +.It Fl m Ar machine +As some manual pages are intended only for specific architectures, +.Nm +searches any subdirectories, +with the same name as the current architecture, +in every directory which it searches. +Machine specific areas are checked before general areas. +The current machine type may be overridden using this option +or by setting the environment variable +.Ev MACHINE +to the name of a specific architecture. +This option overrides the +.Ev MACHINE +environment variable. .It Fl o Look for original, non-localized manpages only. .Pp @@ -185,16 +196,10 @@ These variables specify the preferred la .Fl o option above.) .It Ev MACHINE -As some manual pages are intended only for specific architectures, -.Nm -searches any subdirectories, -with the same name as the current architecture, -in every directory which it searches. -Machine specific areas are checked before general areas. -The current machine type may be overridden by setting the environment -variable +If .Ev MACHINE -to the name of a specific architecture. +is set, its value is used to override the current machine type +when searching machine specific subdirectories. .It Ev MANPATH If .Ev MANPATH Index: gnu/usr.bin/man/manpath/Makefile =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/man/manpath/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.22.2.2 diff -u -p -r1.22.2.2 Makefile --- gnu/usr.bin/man/manpath/Makefile 2001/04/25 12:03:53 1.22.2.2 +++ gnu/usr.bin/man/manpath/Makefile 2002/01/15 14:45:56 @@ -6,7 +6,7 @@ DPADD=3D ${LIBMAN} LDADD=3D ${LIBMAN} =20 CFLAGS+=3D -DMAIN -DSTDC_HEADERS -DPOSIX -DHAS_TROFF -DDO_UNCOMPRESS -CFLAGS+=3D -DALT_SYSTEMS -I${.CURDIR}/../lib -I${.OBJDIR}/../lib +CFLAGS+=3D -I${.CURDIR}/../lib -I${.OBJDIR}/../lib CLEANFILES+=3D manpath.1 =20 manpath.1: ${.CURDIR}/manpath.man Index: etc/mtree/BSD.local.dist =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/etc/mtree/BSD.local.dist,v retrieving revision 1.55.2.11 diff -u -p -r1.55.2.11 BSD.local.dist --- etc/mtree/BSD.local.dist 2002/01/14 11:23:14 1.55.2.11 +++ etc/mtree/BSD.local.dist 2002/01/15 14:46:00 @@ -44,7 +44,6 @@ libexec .. man -/set uname=3Dman cat1 .. cat2 @@ -67,7 +66,7 @@ .. catn .. - de.ISO8859-1 uname=3Droot + de.ISO8859-1 cat1 .. cat2 @@ -90,7 +89,6 @@ .. catn .. -/set uname=3Droot man1 .. man2 @@ -115,7 +113,6 @@ .. .. en.ISO8859-1 -/set uname=3Dman cat1 .. cat1aout @@ -149,7 +146,7 @@ catn .. .. - ja uname=3Droot + ja cat1 .. cat2 @@ -172,7 +169,6 @@ .. catn .. -/set uname=3Droot man1 .. man2 Index: etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist,v retrieving revision 1.188.2.27 diff -u -p -r1.188.2.27 BSD.usr.dist --- etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist 2002/01/14 11:23:15 1.188.2.27 +++ etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist 2002/01/15 14:46:04 @@ -587,7 +587,6 @@ .. .. man -/set uname=3Dman cat1 .. cat1aout @@ -620,7 +619,7 @@ .. catn .. - en.ISO8859-1 uname=3Droot + en.ISO8859-1 cat1 .. cat1aout @@ -654,7 +653,7 @@ catn .. .. - ja uname=3Droot + ja cat1 .. cat2 @@ -675,7 +674,6 @@ .. catn .. -/set uname=3Droot man1 .. man2 @@ -890,7 +888,7 @@ .. perl man - cat3 uname=3Dman + cat3 .. man3 .. Index: etc/mtree/BSD.x11-4.dist =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/etc/mtree/BSD.x11-4.dist,v retrieving revision 1.13.2.5 diff -u -p -r1.13.2.5 BSD.x11-4.dist --- etc/mtree/BSD.x11-4.dist 2001/08/01 20:37:03 1.13.2.5 +++ etc/mtree/BSD.x11-4.dist 2002/01/15 14:46:07 @@ -312,7 +312,6 @@ libexec .. man -/set uname=3Dman cat1 .. cat2 @@ -335,7 +334,7 @@ .. catn .. - ja uname=3Droot + ja cat1 .. cat2 @@ -358,7 +357,6 @@ .. catn .. -/set uname=3Droot man1 .. man2 Index: etc/mtree/BSD.x11.dist =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/etc/mtree/BSD.x11.dist,v retrieving revision 1.9.2.5 diff -u -p -r1.9.2.5 BSD.x11.dist --- etc/mtree/BSD.x11.dist 2001/08/01 20:37:03 1.9.2.5 +++ etc/mtree/BSD.x11.dist 2002/01/15 14:46:07 @@ -194,7 +194,6 @@ libexec .. man -/set uname=3Dman cat1 .. cat2 @@ -217,7 +216,7 @@ .. catn .. - ja uname=3Droot + ja cat1 .. cat2 @@ -240,7 +239,6 @@ .. catn .. -/set uname=3Droot man1 .. man2 ----- End forwarded message ----- --BzCohdixPhurzSK4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8RL31tNcQog5FH30RAgYnAJ4uCog0sddJOrsP+DUdsN+qCbwtxwCgkpoP Iksu/N1yinO2GyiR4eLJwsg= =kECR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BzCohdixPhurzSK4-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Jan 15 16:13:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail12.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2AE37B405 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:13:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25890 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2002 00:13:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 16 Jan 2002 00:13:06 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20020115233620.GQ6073@windriver.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:12:23 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Murray Stokely Subject: RE: RC2 Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 15-Jan-02 Murray Stokely wrote: > I'd like to release RC2 sometime in the next 36 hours or so. I've > made numerous builds since RC1, but all of them have had at least some > kind of known issue, so I would prefer to wait until we can put out a > real "Release Candidate". That said, the release engineers could sure > use help with the following things : > > 1) x86 floppy overflow. The Linux module requires sysvipc, but > this has not been made into a module on -STABLE. There are a > number of possible solutions. > > a. MFC the module code. (Large impact, risky.) > > b. Put sysvipc back in the boot kernel, and remove other > features or devices. (safest, but what to remove?) > > c. Put sysvipc back in the boot kernel, and accept one of > Matt or Ian's patches to remove macro bloat. (nice > solution, but a little risky to touch NFS code and other > area this late in the cycle). > > 2) Building X on the Alpha. The 3.3.6a patch causes all kinds of > problems on the Alpha architecture. I can commit the first hunk to turn on the SYSCONS define. However, XFree86 still insists on building I386 only drivers such as the i128 driver even though I explicitly turn them off. Grrr. > Any ideas? Thanks, > > - Murray -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Jan 15 21:57:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F3237B404; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020116055738.FTJI5944.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:57:38 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0G5vcT19836; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:57:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200201160557.g0G5vcT19836@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RC2 In-reply-to: <20020115233620.GQ6073@windriver.com> References: <20020115233620.GQ6073@windriver.com> Comments: In-reply-to Murray Stokely message dated "Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:36:20 -0800." From: bmah@acm.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@acm.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:57:38 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If memory serves me right, Murray Stokely wrote: > 1) x86 floppy overflow. The Linux module requires sysvipc, but > this has not been made into a module on -STABLE. There are a > number of possible solutions. Hi Murray-- This might not be a useful contribution, but that's never stopped me before... So...it needs all of SYSVSHM, SYSVSEM, and SYSVMSG? If it only needs some of these, can we just put those on? How short are we anyways? > a. MFC the module code. (Large impact, risky.) > b. Put sysvipc back in the boot kernel, and remove other > features or devices. (safest, but what to remove?) Hmmm. I'm probably making random noise but...could we get rid of MATH_EMULATE? Another possibility (*big* change here) would be to get rid of USERCONFIG and/or VISUAL_USERCONFIG. 4-STABLE on the i386 is the only active FreeBSD that uses it (-CURRENT doesn't have it, nor does the alpha). This is probably a bad idea because so much of our documentation refers to it, though. It wasn't until I started looking through dokern.sh that I realized how many network drivers we already exclude on the small kern floppy! > c. Put sysvipc back in the boot kernel, and accept one of > Matt or Ian's patches to remove macro bloat. (nice > solution, but a little risky to touch NFS code and other > area this late in the cycle). Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Jan 15 23:18:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C23237B41C; Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:18:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0G7ID630753; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:18:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:18:13 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RC2 Message-ID: <20020116081813.A30692@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020115233620.GQ6073@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020115233620.GQ6073@windriver.com>; from murray@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 03:36:20PM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 03:36:20PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > I'd like to release RC2 sometime in the next 36 hours or so. I've > made numerous builds since RC1, but all of them have had at least some > kind of known issue, so I would prefer to wait until we can put out a > real "Release Candidate". That said, the release engineers could sure > use help with the following things : > > 1) x86 floppy overflow. The Linux module requires sysvipc, but > this has not been made into a module on -STABLE. There are a > number of possible solutions. > > a. MFC the module code. (Large impact, risky.) > > b. Put sysvipc back in the boot kernel, and remove other > features or devices. (safest, but what to remove?) I don't see why we need Linux support on the boot floppy over (say) NIC drivers. People doing floppy installs usually want to do that over the network and a NIC driver is really handy in this case ;) A lot of NIC drivers are already stripped from the boot kernel as it is right now. My ¤ 0.02 Wilko -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 16 0:43: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440B537B402; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:43:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id E66B54B65D; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:42:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 00:42:54 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Murray Stokely , freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RC2 Message-ID: <20020116084254.GW6073@windriver.com> References: <20020115233620.GQ6073@windriver.com> <20020116081813.A30692@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Dx9iWuMxHO1cCoFc" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020116081813.A30692@freebie.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Dx9iWuMxHO1cCoFc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 08:18:13AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > I don't see why we need Linux support on the boot floppy over (say) > NIC drivers. People doing floppy installs usually want to do that over > the network and a NIC driver is really handy in this case ;) >=20 > A lot of NIC drivers are already stripped from the boot kernel as it is > right now. It looks like there is space on mfsroot for several modules in /stand/modules, and sysinstall already knows to look for these and load them if present. I'm working on a patch to src/release/Makefile to put all of the wireless ethernet drivers as modules on the MFSROOT floppy, instead of compiled into the boot floppy. This should allow us to put sysvipc back into the boot floppy, and give us further room to grow. - Murray --Dx9iWuMxHO1cCoFc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8RT0OtNcQog5FH30RAq5iAKCSRYVIlTqQFXHXnUOWEdPmJKuNPgCeMvDx 7Pg/d6a09DJk0urOGCGJC6o= =6fua -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Dx9iWuMxHO1cCoFc-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 16 3:41:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D40237B41A; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:41:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g0GBekc77839; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:40:46 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:40:46 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Changes to man(1) Message-ID: <20020116134046.A77376@sunbay.com> References: <20020115234038.GR6073@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020115234038.GR6073@windriver.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 03:40:38PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > The release engineers would really like to see Ruslan's latest > changes to man(1) in FreeBSD 4.5. This change closes a number of > potential security holes that could allow privilege escalation. > Please help us look over the recent commit to -CURRENT before we allow > this to be MFCed. Here are the relevant commits from Ruslan : > I've just found a problem with this in -STABLE. We also need to MFC the following deltas to bsd.man.mk (only the 1.40 is essential, but MFCing 1.39 doesn't harm too): : revision 1.40 : date: 2001/07/12 07:47:39; author: ru; state: Exp; lines: +2 -2 : Always preprocess manpages with tbl(1). : ---------------------------- : revision 1.39 : date: 2001/05/30 07:02:57; author: ru; state: Exp; lines: +1 -3 : Do not clobber COPY, it may be set differently in /etc/make.conf. : This is not the problem for NOMANCOMPRESS, as install(1) does not : delete the originals anymore (-c is the default now). Otherwise, catpages built as part of buildworld with MANBUILDCAT=YES are not preprocessed with tbl(1), and we get some bad catpages on the release media. This is the same assumption as man(1) does -- always format with tbl(1). PLEASE NOTE that this problem is not new, and exists even without MFCing the man(1) changes. It is just expected that more people will start to use the MANBUILDCAT feature. And yes, release media of 4.4-RELEASE has some broken catpages. Index: bsd.man.mk =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/mk/bsd.man.mk,v retrieving revision 1.31.2.5 diff -u -r1.31.2.5 bsd.man.mk --- bsd.man.mk 2001/12/20 10:44:03 1.31.2.5 +++ bsd.man.mk 2002/01/16 11:14:25 @@ -53,7 +53,7 @@ CATDIR= ${MANDIR:H:S/$/\/cat/} CATEXT= .cat -MROFF_CMD?= groff -Tascii -mtty-char -man +MROFF_CMD?= groff -Tascii -mtty-char -man -t MCOMPRESS_CMD?= ${COMPRESS_CMD} MCOMPRESS_EXT?= ${COMPRESS_EXT} @@ -73,8 +73,6 @@ all-man: .if defined(NOMANCOMPRESS) - -COPY= -c # Make special arrangements to filter to a temporary file at build time # for NOMANCOMPRESS. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 16 3:51: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837F537B417; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:51:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id D5A914B65D; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:51:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:51:00 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org, hosokawa@FreeBSD.org Subject: [patch] Moving modules to MFSROOT in -STABLE (x86) Message-ID: <20020116115100.GX6073@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uJWb33pM2TcUAXIl" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --uJWb33pM2TcUAXIl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sysinstall has had the ability to load additional modules from /stand/modules for quite some time, but the functionality to populate /stand/modules on the MFSROOT floppy was never MFCed. A good description of hosokawa's drivers.conf functionality is available here : http://people.freebsd.org/~hosokawa/driver-floppy/ I think that we should merge this functionality for the release to solve our floppy overflow problems. A patch for src/release/Makefile (partial MFC of r.578) and src/release/scripts/dokern.sh, along with a very minimal drivers.conf file can be downloaded here : http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/patches.html With this change, the wireless Ethernet devices are removed from the boot kernel, and the modules are placed in /stand/modules of the MFSROOT. If you switch the debug screen of sysinstall, you will notice a couple of 'DEBUG: Loading module if_xx.ko (description)' lines. I've placed kern.flp and mfsroot.flp images in my freefall patches directory as well, in case anyone wants to play with this without building a full release. Comments? Any objections to me committing this to RELENG_4 this evening? =20 Thanks, - Murray --uJWb33pM2TcUAXIl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8RWkktNcQog5FH30RAs8SAJ0WzjrLD6XH+NjinCUkI+hf1UglKACeI1hp 9z0FEFDETuNsxEm6E63dDww= =/0IT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uJWb33pM2TcUAXIl-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 16 5:17:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678B537B404; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:17:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id g0GDHZD66202; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:17:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:17:35 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org, hosokawa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [patch] Moving modules to MFSROOT in -STABLE (x86) In-Reply-To: <20020116115100.GX6073@windriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sounds good to me -- I assume all the various bugs with multiple load attempts of the modules on a sysinstall restart were long since fixed? (I think I even saw commit messages go by). We might want to ask people to add sysinstall restarts to their testing schedule (if any :-). How much room is typically free on the mfsroot floppy? Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Murray Stokely wrote: > Sysinstall has had the ability to load additional modules from > /stand/modules for quite some time, but the functionality to populate > /stand/modules on the MFSROOT floppy was never MFCed. A good > description of hosokawa's drivers.conf functionality is available here > : > > http://people.freebsd.org/~hosokawa/driver-floppy/ > > I think that we should merge this functionality for the release to > solve our floppy overflow problems. A patch for src/release/Makefile > (partial MFC of r.578) and src/release/scripts/dokern.sh, along with a > very minimal drivers.conf file can be downloaded here : > > http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/patches.html > > With this change, the wireless Ethernet devices are removed from the > boot kernel, and the modules are placed in /stand/modules of the > MFSROOT. If you switch the debug screen of sysinstall, you will > notice a couple of 'DEBUG: Loading module if_xx.ko (description)' > lines. > > I've placed kern.flp and mfsroot.flp images in my freefall patches > directory as well, in case anyone wants to play with this without > building a full release. > > Comments? Any objections to me committing this to RELENG_4 this > evening? > > Thanks, > - Murray > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 16 8:13:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850E037B405; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:13:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020116161311.GLCC3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:13:11 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0GGDAj39723; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:13:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200201161613.g0GGDAj39723@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, re@FreeBSD.ORG, hosokawa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [patch] Moving modules to MFSROOT in -STABLE (x86) In-reply-to: <20020116115100.GX6073@windriver.com> References: <20020116115100.GX6073@windriver.com> Comments: In-reply-to Murray Stokely message dated "Wed, 16 Jan 2002 03:51:00 -0800." From: bmah@acm.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@acm.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:13:10 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If memory serves me right, Murray Stokely wrote: > I think that we should merge this functionality for the release to > solve our floppy overflow problems. A patch for src/release/Makefile > (partial MFC of r.578) and src/release/scripts/dokern.sh, along with a > very minimal drivers.conf file can be downloaded here : > > http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/patches.html > > With this change, the wireless Ethernet devices are removed from the > boot kernel, and the modules are placed in /stand/modules of the > MFSROOT. If you switch the debug screen of sysinstall, you will > notice a couple of 'DEBUG: Loading module if_xx.ko (description)' > lines. I like this idea! Do we already have free space in mfsroot.flp, or does this depend on the patches that jhb was discussing yesterday to work around space problems on the alpha? Granted that all I've done is to read the patches, but it looks like you're taking if_an out of the BOOTMFS kernel, and then adding modules for if_an *and* if_wi to the mfsroot.flp. It seems to me that if you're not removing if_wi from the BOOTMFS kernel, you don't need the module on mfsroot.flp, right? Also if you want to get rid of *all* the 802.11 devices, if_awi is another one. Cheers, Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 16 8:32:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from elmer.glueless.net (elmer.glueless.net [208.19.80.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EC3EC37B405 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:32:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 41323 invoked by uid 1000); 16 Jan 2002 16:32:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:32:14 -0700 From: Dan Peterson To: qa@freebsd.org Subject: VXLOCK messages Message-ID: <20020116163214.GA40909@danp.net> Mail-Followup-To: qa@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there a final ruling on the VXLOCK messages? Will they be removed before 4.5-RELEASE? The most recent thread on the stable mailing list can be found at: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=548810+0+archive/2002/freebsd-stable/20020113.freebsd-stable Matt Dillon says in the above thread that they're harmless. If that's the case, it would be nice to see them removed--they're quite annoying. :-) Thanks! -- Dan Peterson http://danp.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 16 9:55:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.originative.co.uk (mailgate.originative.co.uk [62.232.68.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A0B37B41F; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from lobster.originative.co.uk (lobster [62.232.68.81]) by mailgate.originative.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F8B11D16B; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:55:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Changes to man(1) From: Paul Richards To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20020115234038.GR6073@windriver.com> References: <20020115234038.GR6073@windriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 16 Jan 2002 17:55:03 +0000 Message-Id: <1011203704.2163.10.camel@lobster.originative.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 23:40, Murray Stokely wrote: > The release engineers would really like to see Ruslan's latest > changes to man(1) in FreeBSD 4.5. This change closes a number of > potential security holes that could allow privilege escalation. > Please help us look over the recent commit to -CURRENT before we allow > this to be MFCed. Here are the relevant commits from Ruslan : I don't think this should go into -stable. It's still a contentious issue in -current and is a significant change to the historical behaviour of FreeBSD and therefore not something that should be included in a point release. Unless I'm missing something, it's also not a major security whole, the worst that can happen is that fake manpages can be created. That's definately significant and I support the tightening in -current but it's not a critical enough fix to warrant such a major change to a -stable branch. Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 16 10: 0: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from Awfulhak.org (gw.Awfulhak.org [217.204.245.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1FC137B402; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:00:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org [fec0::1:12]) by Awfulhak.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0GI00N38220; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:00:00 GMT (envelope-from brian@freebsd-services.com) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0GHxwL81019; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:59:58 GMT (envelope-from brian@freebsd-services.com) Message-Id: <200201161759.g0GHxwL81019@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org, Ruslan Ermilov , Brian Somers Subject: Re: Changes to man(1) In-Reply-To: Message from Murray Stokely of "Tue, 15 Jan 2002 15:40:38 PST." <20020115234038.GR6073@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:59:58 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The release engineers would really like to see Ruslan's latest > changes to man(1) in FreeBSD 4.5. This change closes a number of > potential security holes that could allow privilege escalation. > Please help us look over the recent commit to -CURRENT before we allow > this to be MFCed. Here are the relevant commits from Ruslan : I don't think this is -stable material (it changes system behaviour). I also think that putting something this size into the system at this point in the release cycle should at least warrant another RC. I also don't like this new (well, old) mechanism. Instead, I think man(1) should be fixed so that as soon as any of the default things like macro packages and man directories are altered, it drops all privileges. Is there a problem with doing it that way instead ? > Thanks, > - Murray -- Brian http://www.freebsd-services.com/ Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 16 10:10:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679D337B419; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g0GIADq42366; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:10:13 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:10:13 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Paul Richards , Brian Somers Cc: Murray Stokely , freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Changes to man(1) Message-ID: <20020116201013.M13904@sunbay.com> References: <20020115234038.GR6073@windriver.com> <200201161759.g0GHxwL81019@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> <20020115234038.GR6073@windriver.com> <1011203704.2163.10.camel@lobster.originative.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200201161759.g0GHxwL81019@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> <1011203704.2163.10.camel@lobster.originative.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Paul Richards and Brian Somers, after probably talking to each other, wrote simultaneously: On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 05:55:03PM +0000, Paul Richards wrote: > On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 23:40, Murray Stokely wrote: > > The release engineers would really like to see Ruslan's latest > > changes to man(1) in FreeBSD 4.5. This change closes a number of > > potential security holes that could allow privilege escalation. > > Please help us look over the recent commit to -CURRENT before we allow > > this to be MFCed. Here are the relevant commits from Ruslan : > > I don't think this should go into -stable. > > It's still a contentious issue in -current and is a significant change > to the historical behaviour of FreeBSD and therefore not something that > should be included in a point release. > > Unless I'm missing something, it's also not a major security whole, the > worst that can happen is that fake manpages can be created. That's > definately significant and I support the tightening in -current but it's > not a critical enough fix to warrant such a major change to a -stable > branch. > Having catpages is optional, and I wouldn't call it a major change, especially that good and secure alternatives for creating catpages were provided. On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 05:59:58PM +0000, Brian Somers wrote: [...] > I don't think this is -stable material (it changes system behaviour). > > I also think that putting something this size into the system at this > point in the release cycle should at least warrant another RC. > > I also don't like this new (well, old) mechanism. Instead, I think > man(1) should be fixed so that as soon as any of the default things > like macro packages and man directories are altered, it drops all > privileges. Is there a problem with doing it that way instead ? > Please see http://security-archive.merton.ox.ac.uk/security-audit-200010/0022.html for all other possible pitfalls. But yes, I agree this shouldn't go into -STABLE at this point, because I'm not sure we couldn't find a better solution. Still want to MFC -m option change. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 16 10:27:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C1237B417 for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 3438F4B65D; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:27:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:27:05 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Dan Peterson Cc: qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VXLOCK messages Message-ID: <20020116182705.GC6073@windriver.com> References: <20020116163214.GA40909@danp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="E6lVPAHcXg6biC3t" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020116163214.GA40909@danp.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --E6lVPAHcXg6biC3t Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 09:32:14AM -0700, Dan Peterson wrote: > Is there a final ruling on the VXLOCK messages? Will they be removed before > 4.5-RELEASE? The most recent thread on the stable mailing list can be found > at: Peter Wemm and Matt Dillon are discussing an alternative patch. Some form of solution will be committed soon. - Murray --E6lVPAHcXg6biC3t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8RcX4tNcQog5FH30RAvu8AKC3fV7+KF4i8EVZgoMgrT89jkbXlwCeLgIf W453bsBBVgKkJ8FgkYZ8ICg= =mPa0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --E6lVPAHcXg6biC3t-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 16 11:58:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net [64.8.50.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE6437B417; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 11:58:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from BradMorgan ([24.53.83.156]) by smtprelay8.dc2.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQ1RHP00.MV2; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:58:37 -0500 From: "Brad Morgan" To: "John Baldwin" , , Subject: RE: New cdboot ISO available Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:58:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Please test this ISO and provide feedback to the -stable or -qa lists thanks. I tried the minicdboot on my 4 machines with the following results: Dell Dimension XPS p133c (133 MHz P-I) did not boot. 4.4-Release Disk 1 did boot. Dell Dimension XPS D333 (333 MHz P-II) booted to sysinstall screen. Dell Dimension XPS R350 (350 MHz P-II) booted to sysinstall screen. Dell Dimension 4100 (933 MHz P-III) booted but hung probing for devices. This machine has hung at this point since 4.2. I've reported it numerous times. Sure would be nice to get this fixed as this machine is my main machine. I have FreeBSD installed on this machine by using a set of 5.0-current floppies to get past the above hang. It then installs and runs FreeBSD without any (known) problems. I'd be happy to provide whatever assistance is necessary. Regards, Brad Morgan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 16 13:21: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from amsfep15-int.chello.nl (amsfep15-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858B937B41A for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from iae.nl ([213.46.9.162]) by amsfep15-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020116212054.WKXW29228.amsfep15-int.chello.nl@iae.nl> for ; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:20:54 +0100 Message-ID: <3C45EEB5.685735FC@iae.nl> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:20:53 +0100 From: Hans Ottevanger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: Newfs(8) manpage needs updating Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi folks, The BUGS section of the manpage for newfs(8) still claims that the boot code is only able to boot from a 8K blocks/1K fragments filesystem. Fairly recently 16K/2K has become the default, also for the root filesystem, and I am quite certain that I can boot from it. Maybe this manpage can be changed before it ends up in 4.5 ? BTW. There is also a typo in the EXAMPLES section, "fragements" i.s.o. "fragments". Kind regards, Hans To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 16 14:40:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C747E37B41A; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:40:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id E5E544B65D; Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:39:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:39:54 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Robert Watson Cc: Murray Stokely , freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org, hosokawa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [patch] Moving modules to MFSROOT in -STABLE (x86) Message-ID: <20020116223954.GG6073@windriver.com> References: <20020116115100.GX6073@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 08:17:35AM -0500, Robert Watson wrote: > Sounds good to me -- I assume all the various bugs with multiple load > attempts of the modules on a sysinstall restart were long since fixed? (I > think I even saw commit messages go by). We might want to ask people to Yea, if you "Restart" sysinstall, it is exec()ed with a -restart flag, so the program knows not to reload kernel modules and such. With these two wireless Ethernet device modules included, mfsroot.gz is 925,842 bytes. I believe the size was around 800k before I moved these two modules over. By using modules on the MFSROOT, we should be able to include more device support for 4.5 than we did for 4.4. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 17 6:36:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from infinitive.futureperfectcorporation.com (infinitive.futureperfectcorporation.com [196.25.137.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C531837B400 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:36:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 88972 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jan 2002 14:36:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gerund.futureperfectcorporation.com) (196.25.137.65) by infinitive.futureperfectcorporation.com with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP; 17 Jan 2002 14:36:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 41872 invoked by uid 1001); 17 Jan 2002 14:36:52 -0000 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:36:52 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Stijn Hoop Cc: qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: s/key! Message-ID: <20020117163652.B39578@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20020117145818.F76860@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020117145818.F76860@pcwin002.win.tue.nl>; from stijn@win.tue.nl on Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 02:58:18PM +0100 Organization: iTouch Labs X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://mithrandr.moria.org/nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu 2002-01-17 (14:58), Stijn Hoop wrote: > On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 05:50:54AM -0800, Randy Bush wrote: > > i have never done anything wish s/key on either host. why am i getting > > this? (both quite recent -stable) > > > > ns0.psg.com:/usr/local/src/distfiles# rsy randy@rip.psg.com:bind-9.2.0.tar.gz . > > otp-md5 3 ri5788 ext > > S/Key Password: > > This has bitten me before as well. Recent -STABLE turns S/Key on by > default in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. Uncomment the line: > > # ChallengeResponseAuthentication no > > to disable S/Key again. That's going to be particularly irritating. Is there any way for sshd to properly detect the necessity of S/Key? If not, should it perhaps not be enabled by default? Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 17 6:49:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from pcwin002.win.tue.nl (pcwin002.win.tue.nl [131.155.71.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA51537B404 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:49:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stijn@localhost) by pcwin002.win.tue.nl (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g0HEnax72630; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:49:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stijn) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:49:35 +0100 From: Stijn Hoop To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: s/key! Message-ID: <20020117154935.G76860@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> References: <20020117145818.F76860@pcwin002.win.tue.nl> <20020117163652.B39578@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ALfTUftag+2gvp1h" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020117163652.B39578@mithrandr.moria.org>; from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org on Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 04:36:52PM +0200 X-Bright-Idea: Let's abolish HTML mail! Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ALfTUftag+2gvp1h Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 04:36:52PM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > On Thu 2002-01-17 (14:58), Stijn Hoop wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 05:50:54AM -0800, Randy Bush wrote: > > > i have never done anything wish s/key on either host. why am i getti= ng > > > this? (both quite recent -stable) > > >=20 > > > ns0.psg.com:/usr/local/src/distfiles# rsy randy@rip.psg.com:bind-9.2.= 0.tar.gz . > > > otp-md5 3 ri5788 ext > > > S/Key Password:=20 > >=20 > > This has bitten me before as well. Recent -STABLE turns S/Key on by > > default in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. Uncomment the line: > >=20 > > # ChallengeResponseAuthentication no > >=20 > > to disable S/Key again. >=20 > That's going to be particularly irritating. Is there any way for sshd > to properly detect the necessity of S/Key? If not, should it perhaps > not be enabled by default? I'm still looking for the option that lowers the priority of S/Key. I think that POLA would be to use public-key first, then password, then s/key. I haven't looked hard though... --Stijn --=20 "...I like logs. They give me a warm fuzzy feeling. I've been known to keep logs for 30 months at a time (generally when I thought I was rotating them daily, but was actually rotating them once a month)." -- Michael Lucas, in Big Scary Daemons article 'Controlling Bandwidth' --ALfTUftag+2gvp1h Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8RuR/Y3r/tLQmfWcRAn51AJ4hcJVZln4QK0RJ+LGTXMs+SQRWNQCeKqz2 WgK7zQuCXnThcW1/YiGBeRE= =0JPD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ALfTUftag+2gvp1h-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 17 19:53:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96EBA37B404; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:53:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020118035335.UVFK5944.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 03:53:35 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0I3rZk38880; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:53:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200201180353.g0I3rZk38880@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: bmah@freebsd.org Subject: Hardware Notes, "Boot-time Kernel Configuration" From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:53:34 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all-- Unless there's any vehement objection, I'm going to remove the "Boot-time Kernel Configuration" Section from the i386 hardware notes for 4.5 (it's already gone from the alpha). It documents two things: 1) the drivers in the GENERIC kernel configuration (which is out-of-date, and doesn't cover the stripped-down kernels at all, which I think is way more critical). 2) UserConfig (which is better-described in the Handbook anyways). I'm hoping that some version of the GENERIC kernel configuration table will return (ideally, it'd also cover the kernels we put on the floppies, as well as be multi-architecture). However, it probably won't make it in time for 4.5-RELEASE, and I'd rather we send the release out with less information, rather than information that we know is wrong to begin with. Comments? Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 17 23:23: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F31137B420; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:22:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0I7Mvd91154; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:22:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:22:57 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hardware Notes, "Boot-time Kernel Configuration" Message-ID: <20020118082257.E91029@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200201180353.g0I3rZk38880@bmah.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200201180353.g0I3rZk38880@bmah.dyndns.org>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 07:53:34PM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 07:53:34PM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > Hi all-- > > Unless there's any vehement objection, I'm going to remove the > "Boot-time Kernel Configuration" Section from the i386 hardware notes > for 4.5 (it's already gone from the alpha). It documents two things: 1) > the drivers in the GENERIC kernel configuration (which is out-of-date, > and doesn't cover the stripped-down kernels at all, which I think is way > more critical). 2) UserConfig (which is better-described in the > Handbook anyways). > > I'm hoping that some version of the GENERIC kernel configuration table > will return (ideally, it'd also cover the kernels we put on the > floppies, as well as be multi-architecture). However, it probably won't > make it in time for 4.5-RELEASE, and I'd rather we send the release out > with less information, rather than information that we know is wrong to > begin with. Sounds like a reasonable idea to me -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 2:26:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6062237B416; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 02:26:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id AAD344B661; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 02:25:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 02:25:56 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD 4.5-RC2 / x86 Now Available. Message-ID: <20020118102556.GJ18587@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AjmyJqqohANyBN/e" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --AjmyJqqohANyBN/e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Our second 4.5 release candidate is now available : ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.5-RC2 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/4.5-RC2-install.iso (available at some sites, still transferring to others) RC1 is still available from ftp://releng4.freebsd.org. There will be no cdboot images for this RC, as it is clear that this functionality needs some more work and will not be ready in time for 4.5. Please watch freebsd-alpha for an announcement about the status of RC2 for the Alpha platform. This release candidate fixes a number of issues that were reported with RC1. Loadable kernel modules are now available on the MFSROOT floppy, and these are automatically loaded by sysinstall. This functionality could use a great deal of testing. There is a little extra room left over for another kernel module or two, so if there is a device that you would like to use for installation that is currently not included on the boot kernel, please speak up. Installing Linux compatibility during installation should now work, and could also use a fair amount of testing with common Linux applications such as Netscape and Acrobat reader. The Gnome / Sawfish and fvwm2 ports are still unavailable in the package set. This will be fixed with RC3 to follow in the coming days. There was also a build failure for 'unzip', but otherwise the package set is complete. This ISO image does not include HFS support (mkisofs -h) for long file names and extended attributes on the Macintosh platform. This gives us an extra 30MB to use for packages : -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 683661312 Jan 17 22:48 4.5-RC2-HFS.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 652187648 Jan 17 22:52 4.5-RC2-install.iso The FreeBSD 4.4 CDs did not include HFS support either, but previous releases may have. If anyone requires this functionality, please speak up. Thanks, The FreeBSD 4.5 Release Engineering Team. --AjmyJqqohANyBN/e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8R/g0tNcQog5FH30RAvhYAKCjQD7U2NtnE5/CkwoLbSGDpGOw5wCgwXeK 7qWOj0tSt0ymBc4rEiqXxyk= =1HMd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AjmyJqqohANyBN/e-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 6:22:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF79137B9D0 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 06:20:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 48B6C4B661; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 06:19:59 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: murray@stokely.org Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.119]) by mao.stokely.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBD24B65D for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:23:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CAC25577E for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:23:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ttoole@sandia.gov) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 0247137B416; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:23:19 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: murray@freebsd.org Received: from california.sandia.gov (california.sandia.gov [146.246.250.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A24A37B400; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by california.sandia.gov (8.8.8/1.15) id PAA13797; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from terrance.ran.sandia.gov(134.252.33.174) by ca.sandia.gov via smap (V1.3) id sma020012; Mon Jan 14 15:23:02 2002 Received: from localhost (ttoole@localhost) by terrance.ran.sandia.gov (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0ENN1603505; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:23:01 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: terrance.ran.sandia.gov: ttoole owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:23:01 -0800 (PST) From: Timothy Toole X-X-Sender: To: Cc: Subject: Disklabel issues with large RAID systems (1.7+TB) Message-ID: User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I wasn't sure who to ask, so maybe you can point me in the right direction. I've got a 4.5-PRERELEASE system with an Fibre Channel storage system (QLogic 2200 via isp, Mylex FF2) that totals roughly 1.7 TB in size. I have been having a large degree of difficulty initializing the disk system with the normal tools (disklabel, fdisk and newfs), as *it appears* there may be some overflowing going on (32/64 bit or signed/unsigned). Disklabel won't write a good label: disklabel: ioctl DIOCWDINFO: open partition would move or shrink re-edit the label? [y]: n Newfs is reading a similar issue: > newfs -b 1048576 /dev/da1c preposterous size -794976256 (attempting to change the number of inodes and fragment sizes had a similar effect). By creating a custom disk type in the /etc/disktab file, I was successful in creating a 781284 Mb filesystem, but that was the largest I could create. Building a NTFS filesystem under Windows2000 and then mounting under FreeBSD, resulted in: > df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 7: 6:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (freebsddiary.org.ua [213.186.199.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F418A37B41A; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:06:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from never@localhost) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g0IFB9H35890; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:11:09 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:11:09 +0200 From: Nevermind To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org Subject: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING Message-ID: <20020118151109.GA35506@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I suppose we should note that using in kernel "maxusers 0" is now default and recomended setting now. -- NEVE-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 7:49:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C773237B400; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:49:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id g0IFneD23627; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:49:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:49:39 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: green@FreeBSD.org Cc: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: s/key! (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/SIGNED; BOUNDARY="0-1606206787-1011368979=:23003" Content-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1606206787-1011368979=:23003 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-ID: Would it make sense to modify the default here so as to avoid violating POLA? If S/Key is not configured, it seems like there really shouldn't be S/Key challenges. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 14:58:18 +0100 From: Stijn Hoop To: Randy Bush Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Subject: Re: s/key! On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 05:50:54AM -0800, Randy Bush wrote: > i have never done anything wish s/key on either host. why am i getting > this? (both quite recent -stable) > > ns0.psg.com:/usr/local/src/distfiles# rsy randy@rip.psg.com:bind-9.2.0.tar.gz . > otp-md5 3 ri5788 ext > S/Key Password: This has bitten me before as well. Recent -STABLE turns S/Key on by default in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. Uncomment the line: # ChallengeResponseAuthentication no to disable S/Key again. HTH, --Stijn -- "I'm not under the alkafluence of inkahol that some thinkle peep I am. It's just the drunker I sit here the longer I get." --0-1606206787-1011368979=:23003 Content-Type: APPLICATION/PGP-SIGNATURE Content-ID: Content-Description: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Rth6Y3r/tLQmfWcRAm0qAJ0ftUGO/0NvEbX0gm6gBeoetLRHuwCfYMuG ZhmgGlxuZtJ9fr4jCe3LSFk= =/rj7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0-1606206787-1011368979=:23003-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 7:57:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24DEE37B416; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:57:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020118155738.DCAR26243.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:57:38 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0IFvbi44263; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:57:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200201181557.g0IFvbi44263@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Nevermind Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG, re@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING In-reply-to: <20020118151109.GA35506@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: <20020118151109.GA35506@nevermind.kiev.ua> Comments: In-reply-to Nevermind message dated "Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:11:09 +0200." From: bmah@acm.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@acm.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 07:57:37 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If memory serves me right, Nevermind wrote: > I suppose we should note that using in kernel "maxusers 0" > is now default and recomended setting now. UPDATING is for issues that could potentially cause a system to break during an upgrade. This isn't one of them. Cheers, Bruce. PS. It *is* noted in the release notes however, as well as tuning(7). But you probably knew that already. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 8:16:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC4437B4A6; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:16:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id g0IGFpD23898; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:15:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:15:51 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Nevermind Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org Subject: Re: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING In-Reply-To: <20020118151109.GA35506@nevermind.kiev.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG And it should even appear in the handbook, which last I checked it still didn't. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Nevermind wrote: > Hello, > > I suppose we should note that using in kernel "maxusers 0" > is now default and recomended setting now. > > -- > NEVE-RIPE > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 8:17:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe51.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4E837B4D3; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:17:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:17:14 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.20.227.61] From: "Lawrence Sica" To: "Nevermind" , , , References: <20020118151109.GA35506@nevermind.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:17:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2002 16:17:14.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[97686380:01C1A03B] Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nevermind" To: ; ; Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 7:11 AM Subject: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING > Hello, > > I suppose we should note that using in kernel "maxusers 0" > is now default and recomended setting now. > I think this may be prudent, I had to explain in detail that 4.5 will autotune to a few people who would not believe me until i pulled up a webpage. Can we get this added to /usr/src/UPDATING? I think that may stop some confusion that I have seen from others. Of course forcing them to read UPDATING is another matter entirely ;) --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 8:22:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe19.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDABD37B404; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:22:29 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.20.227.61] From: "Lawrence Sica" To: "Robert Watson" , "Nevermind" Cc: , , References: Subject: Re: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:22:29 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2002 16:22:29.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[5332BAC0:01C1A03C] Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Watson" To: "Nevermind" Cc: ; ; Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 8:15 AM Subject: Re: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING > And it should even appear in the handbook, which last I checked it still > didn't. > It is in the handbook, that is how i ended the argument with some people :) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/configtuning-kerne l-limits.html Actually a comment in GENERIC and/or LINT would be good too for fresh installers.... HTH --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 8:24:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6CC37B416; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:24:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g0IGNPv67103; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:23:25 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:23:25 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: Nevermind , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG, re@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING Message-ID: <20020118182325.B60750@sunbay.com> References: <20020118151109.GA35506@nevermind.kiev.ua> <200201181557.g0IFvbi44263@bmah.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200201181557.g0IFvbi44263@bmah.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 07:57:37AM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, Nevermind wrote: > > > I suppose we should note that using in kernel "maxusers 0" > > is now default and recomended setting now. > > UPDATING is for issues that could potentially cause a system to break > during an upgrade. This isn't one of them. > I agree. Let's not make UPDATING another relnotes copy. :-) > PS. It *is* noted in the release notes however, as well as tuning(7). > But you probably knew that already. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 8:26:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (freebsddiary.org.ua [213.186.199.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A0137B402; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:26:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from never@localhost) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g0IGUiJ37695; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:30:44 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:30:42 +0200 From: Nevermind To: Ruslan Ermilov Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG, re@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING Message-ID: <20020118163042.GB35506@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: <20020118151109.GA35506@nevermind.kiev.ua> <200201181557.g0IFvbi44263@bmah.dyndns.org> <20020118182325.B60750@sunbay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020118182325.B60750@sunbay.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Ruslan Ermilov! On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 06:23:25PM +0200, you wrote: > > > I suppose we should note that using in kernel "maxusers 0" > > > is now default and recomended setting now. > > > > UPDATING is for issues that could potentially cause a system to break > > during an upgrade. This isn't one of them. > > > I agree. Let's not make UPDATING another relnotes copy. :-) Hm, I agree, please, forgive my clueless :) I posted this because a friend of mine asked me abous maxusers 0 in GENERIC and he was a little bit confused with this. Thank you. -- NEVE-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 8:31:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from tntpro.com (159-63.suscom-maine.net [207.5.159.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E78437B400; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from celery (celery.tntpro.com [192.168.0.13]) by tntpro.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0IGVIl11922; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:31:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tony@tntpro.com) From: "tony" To: , "Nevermind" Cc: , , Subject: RE: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:31:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200201181557.g0IFvbi44263@bmah.dyndns.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG is this documented somewhere? when I left the maxusers at 0 it said something along the lines of "max users set to 0, assuming 8" now 8 seems very low to me, will that in some way automatically grow during normal operation of the system? -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Bruce A. Mah Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 10:58 AM To: Nevermind Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; qa@FreeBSD.ORG; re@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING If memory serves me right, Nevermind wrote: > I suppose we should note that using in kernel "maxusers 0" > is now default and recomended setting now. UPDATING is for issues that could potentially cause a system to break during an upgrade. This isn't one of them. Cheers, Bruce. PS. It *is* noted in the release notes however, as well as tuning(7). But you probably knew that already. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 8:34:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FD937B41C; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:34:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id g0IGY0D24509; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:34:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:34:00 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Lawrence Sica Cc: Nevermind , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org Subject: Re: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Lawrence Sica wrote: > > And it should even appear in the handbook, which last I checked it still > > didn't. > > It is in the handbook, that is how i ended the argument with some people > :) > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/configtuning-kerne > l-limits.html > > Actually a comment in GENERIC and/or LINT would be good too for fresh > installers.... See, people keep saying it's in the handbook, and I keep reading: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig/chapter.sgml and it keeps not saying anything about it. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 8:38:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (leviathan.inethouston.net [66.64.12.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF9E37B400; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:38:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C8D7F319BE3; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:38:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 10:38:39 -0600 From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: Robert Watson Cc: Lawrence Sica , Nevermind , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org Subject: Re: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING Message-ID: <20020118163839.GB67507@leviathan.inethouston.net> Reply-To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Mail-Followup-To: Robert Watson , Lawrence Sica , Nevermind , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-RC i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > See, people keep saying it's in the handbook, and I keep reading: > > doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig/chapter.sgml > Truely strange, it is in the handbook, but not in the above, maybe it hasn't been regenerated lately? -- David W. Chapman Jr. dwcjr@inethouston.net Raintree Network Services, Inc. dwcjr@freebsd.org FreeBSD Committer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 9: 4: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8271537B416; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:03:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id g0IH3VD25042; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:03:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:03:31 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Cc: Lawrence Sica , Nevermind , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org Subject: Re: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING In-Reply-To: <20020118163839.GB67507@leviathan.inethouston.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > > See, people keep saying it's in the handbook, and I keep reading: > > > > doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig/chapter.sgml > > Truely strange, it is in the handbook, but not in the above, maybe it > hasn't been regenerated lately? Well, I checked this file straight out of CVS a couple of minutes ago, so if there's a synchronization problem, it may be pretty serious :-). My comments on this text remain largely the same, that it's out of sync with -STABLE GENERIC: o Doesn't account for maxusers 0 auto-tuning; probably should specify the scaling factor, which is currently: /* Base parameters */ if ((maxusers = MAXUSERS) == 0) { maxusers = physpages / (1024 * 1024 / PAGE_SIZE); if (maxusers < 32) maxusers = 32; if (maxusers > 512) maxusers = 512; } in -STABLE. I.e., one 'maxuser' per megabyte of memory, with a minimum of 32 and maximum of 512, if the configured kernel value is 0, and the tunable is either not set, or is set to 0. o GENERIC now includes UFS_DIRHAS by default, and that should probably be listed in the descriptions here, if not also elsewhere: options UFS_DIRHASH #Improve performance on big directories o pseudo-device ether is now apparently required for some other stuff that isn't strictly related to ethernet, including (I think) sppp. There was recent discussion of this on some other lists, and we may want to encourage including this even in non-ethernet systems. o pseudo-device gif is now self-cloning, so the constant number of instances there is no longer needed. Here's the line now in GENERIC on -STABLE: pseudo-device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling There are probably other specific device differences from GENERIC, as well as ordering differences. Given that we don't anticipate any further changes before the release, it would be worth synchronizing them at this point. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 9: 9:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C7937B405; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:09:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id g0IH9LD25121; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:09:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:09:20 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: tony Cc: bmah@acm.org, Nevermind , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG, re@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, tony wrote: > is this documented somewhere? when I left the maxusers at 0 it said > something along the lines of "max users set to 0, assuming 8" now 8 > seems very low to me, will that in some way automatically grow during > normal operation of the system? You are probably not running a sufficiently up-to-date version of config. Also, if config isn't whining about not being in sync, your kernel source is already pretty dated, since there was a later sys bump so that config would error out. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 11:38: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f173.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82EDD37B405 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:37:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:37:57 -0800 Received: from 172.132.36.204 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:37:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [172.132.36.204] From: "Eugenia Loli-Queru" To: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Interview for OSNews Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:37:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2002 19:37:57.0410 (UTC) FILETIME=[A16F2820:01C1A057] Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, any luck to get the answers before the end of the next week? Our FreeBSD Week Special will run next week, so... :) thanks! Eugenia ----------------- Editor-in-Chief at http://www.OSNews.com Email: eugenia@osnews.com - ICQ: 6070904 Home page at http://www.eugenia.co.uk . _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 17:53: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEEA37B419 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 8CA4E4B65D; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:52:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:52:49 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: RELENG_4_5 Branch : January 21 ? Message-ID: <20020119015249.GD18200@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vru7fAags9pVPvn5" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --vru7fAags9pVPvn5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think that it would be beneficial to create the release branch a few days earlier than normal, and release the third release candidate directly from the RELENG_4_5 branch. This would allow us to do a number of things, such as : 1. Update all of the release notes / documentation for the final release, so that this can be reviewed by our users in RC3 to make sure nothing is left out. 2. Unfreeze RELENG_4, so that regular development can continue. The 'RELENG_4_5_0_RELEASE' tag remains, as always, the label for the final release on the release branch. Thoughts? =20 - Murray --vru7fAags9pVPvn5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8SNFwtNcQog5FH30RAgO7AJ9Ghfx2YP+bc1B/xAp3+KK17yFiAwCgvAAO M4SBaHTHkIEp+VV/MDWjoCY= =Haci -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vru7fAags9pVPvn5-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 20:24:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za (zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9F937B404; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0J4O3M97256; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 06:24:03 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from jhay) From: John Hay Message-Id: <200201190424.g0J4O3M97256@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: RELENG_4_5 Branch : January 21 ? In-Reply-To: <20020119015249.GD18200@freebsdmall.com> from Murray Stokely at "Jan 18, 2002 05:52:49 pm" To: murray@FreeBSD.ORG (Murray Stokely) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 06:24:02 +0200 (SAT) Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Why not do it in the RELENG_4 tree? Maybe start with it even before RC1 (in the future). There is nothing that says the documentation shipped with the RCs shouldn't already claim 4.5 or is there? I think you will get more eyes on it in the RELENG_4 branch. > I think that it would be beneficial to create the release branch a > few days earlier than normal, and release the third release candidate > directly from the RELENG_4_5 branch. This would allow us to do a > number of things, such as : > > 1. Update all of the release notes / documentation for the final > release, so that this can be reviewed by our users in RC3 to make > sure nothing is left out. > > 2. Unfreeze RELENG_4, so that regular development can continue. > > The 'RELENG_4_5_0_RELEASE' tag remains, as always, the label for the > final release on the release branch. > > Thoughts? > > - Murray John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@icomtek.csir.co.za / jhay@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 20:42:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8844537B404; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:42:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020119044207.RUZY10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 04:42:07 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0J4g6e60119; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:42:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200201190442.g0J4g6e60119@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Murray Stokely Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RELENG_4_5 Branch : January 21 ? In-reply-to: <20020119015249.GD18200@freebsdmall.com> References: <20020119015249.GD18200@freebsdmall.com> Comments: In-reply-to Murray Stokely message dated "Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:52:49 -0800." From: bmah@acm.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@acm.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:42:06 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If memory serves me right, Murray Stokely wrote: > I think that it would be beneficial to create the release branch a > few days earlier than normal, and release the third release candidate > directly from the RELENG_4_5 branch. This would allow us to do a > number of things, such as : Hi Murray! Interesting idea. I'm still thinking through the implications of this, so let me play devil's advocate for a bit... > 1. Update all of the release notes / documentation for the final > release, so that this can be reviewed by our users in RC3 to make > sure nothing is left out. As far as the release documentation goes, we can go from the snapshot to the full release by editing six lines in one file. In the short time I've been doing this, the biggest problems don't come from the version number bump, but from some other thing that I screwed up somewhere else. :-) Having people find the "other things" would of course be very helpful, but it isn't dependent on making the release branch. Do you think it'll be confusing to do an RC3 that says "4.5-RELEASE" on it? > 2. Unfreeze RELENG_4, so that regular development can continue. Bear in mind, I'm still playing the devil's advocate: We've been in code freeze for a month...what's another couple days? Other things on my mind: Looking over the release schedule, I see one item that raises a tiny flag..."update man.cgi on the website". It seems to involve a perl script and some directories maintained outside the repository. wosch owns all of these...is he the person to make the necessary updates (whatever they are), and does he know he's "on deck"? The JP translation of the release notes needs to catch up a few revs, but whether that happens before or after the branch probably doesn't matter too much (hrs can always double-commit as needed). Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 20:48:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FEE837B404; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:48:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020119044826.UYAG3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 04:48:26 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0J4mQ560188; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:48:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200201190448.g0J4mQ560188@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: John Hay Cc: murray@FreeBSD.ORG (Murray Stokely), qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RELENG_4_5 Branch : January 21 ? In-reply-to: <200201190424.g0J4O3M97256@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za> References: <200201190424.g0J4O3M97256@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za> Comments: In-reply-to John Hay message dated "Sat, 19 Jan 2002 06:24:02 +0200." From: bmah@acm.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@acm.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:48:25 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If memory serves me right, John Hay wrote: > Why not do it in the RELENG_4 tree? Maybe start with it even before RC1 (in > the future). There is nothing that says the documentation shipped with the > RCs shouldn't already claim 4.5 or is there? I think you will get more eyes > on it in the RELENG_4 branch. I try to make the release documentation track newvers.sh...otherwise it's kind of confusing to have multiple release note documents that say "4.5-RELEASE". It's actually quite trivial to bump the version number (it's controlled by SGML entities, which are all defined in one file). Like I pointed out in other email, problems in the release notes are likely due to *other* "misteaks". Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 22:13:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3142737B416; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 22:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id E16B34B65D; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 22:13:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 22:13:05 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Robert Watson Cc: Nevermind , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING Message-ID: <20020119061305.GF18200@freebsdmall.com> References: <20020118151109.GA35506@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Lez9QO3Seu3ycz0M" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Lez9QO3Seu3ycz0M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 11:15:51AM -0500, Robert Watson wrote: > And it should even appear in the handbook, which last I checked it still > didn't. I added this to the Handbook in config/chapter.sgml r1.31 on 12/31/01. It is indeed there as someone posted the URL for the content on the web site. It is not in the kernel configuration chapter, but in the "Configuration and Tuning" chapter. Obviously, we need to add a pointer from the Kernel Configuration chapter, or move the content entirely. - Murray ---------------------------- revision 1.31 date: 2001/12/31 21:10:13; author: murray; state: Exp; lines: +27 -14 * Update the Config chapter regarding vfs.vmiodirenable, MAXUSERS, and Soft Updates. * Also fix various typos and markup errors. PR: docs/33017 Submitted by: Ceri ---------------------------- config/chapter.sgml : As of FreeBSD 4.5, setting to 0 in your kernel configuration file will choose a reasonable default value based on the amount of RAM present in your system. --Lez9QO3Seu3ycz0M Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8SQ5xtNcQog5FH30RAmFoAJ9r+xaGMX8X3klzZdxDXrPqIYDIuQCfRkmv D/2Txi+Z9rR30P3/7JkAPwk= =6jmG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Lez9QO3Seu3ycz0M-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Jan 18 23:40:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39EDC37B41D; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:40:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0J7e7F10359; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:40:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:40:07 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Murray Stokely Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RELENG_4_5 Branch : January 21 ? Message-ID: <20020119084007.A10312@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020119015249.GD18200@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020119015249.GD18200@freebsdmall.com>; from murray@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 05:52:49PM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 05:52:49PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > I think that it would be beneficial to create the release branch a > few days earlier than normal, and release the third release candidate > directly from the RELENG_4_5 branch. This would allow us to do a > number of things, such as : > > 1. Update all of the release notes / documentation for the final > release, so that this can be reviewed by our users in RC3 to make > sure nothing is left out. > > 2. Unfreeze RELENG_4, so that regular development can continue. > > The 'RELENG_4_5_0_RELEASE' tag remains, as always, the label for the > final release on the release branch. > > Thoughts? Given that I still haven't been able to create a working RC2 for Alpha I would consider this a bit ambitious. And how are things like Alpha X11 and ports doing? Or?? W/ -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Jan 19 3:11:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CED437B400 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 03:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id C4EBC4B65D; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 03:11:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 03:11:45 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Wilko Bulte Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RELENG_4_5 Branch : January 21 ? Message-ID: <20020119111145.GL18200@freebsdmall.com> References: <20020119015249.GD18200@freebsdmall.com> <20020119084007.A10312@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Kf9dPzkPP9+q7vtQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020119084007.A10312@freebie.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Kf9dPzkPP9+q7vtQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 08:40:07AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Given that I still haven't been able to create a working RC2 for Alpha > I would consider this a bit ambitious. And how are things like Alpha > X11 and ports doing? I haven't taken a look at where jhb left off with X11, but I hope to this weekend. I have sent Peter at least 5 emails about the Alpha ports cluster in the past 2 weeks, but the machines are still not available. Mind you, that several of my emails included an offer to personally drive down to Yahoo! and do whatever grunt work is necessary to setup the machines. I put a new 7200RPM disk into my PWS500 and got my make world time down to just over 3 hours. As an exercise in patience I've just started a "make release" to see how long the build will take. Is disk I/O this slow on all FreeBSD/Alpha machines, or is it just mine? bonnie++ results are pathetic compared to any x86 box on my network. =20 - Murray --Kf9dPzkPP9+q7vtQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8SVRxtNcQog5FH30RAp4iAJ0Vf5Ox86B7UGV0SC1tcrvUXBCdEACdF9FE mN36wz4L/6ujO5vhVPFM3bg= =C6L4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Kf9dPzkPP9+q7vtQ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Jan 19 5:27:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C7137B41D; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 05:27:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0JDCAn92483; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:12:10 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:12:10 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Robert Watson Cc: "David W. Chapman Jr." , Lawrence Sica , Nevermind , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org Subject: Re: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING Message-ID: <20020119131210.M62672@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20020118163839.GB67507@leviathan.inethouston.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="v541l457l4DThMFo" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rwatson@freebsd.org on Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 12:03:31PM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --v541l457l4DThMFo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 12:03:31PM -0500, Robert Watson wrote: > o Doesn't account for maxusers 0 auto-tuning; probably should specify the > scaling factor, which is currently: [...] > o GENERIC now includes UFS_DIRHAS by default, and that should probably be > listed in the descriptions here, if not also elsewhere: >=20 > options UFS_DIRHASH #Improve performance on big direc= tories >=20 > o pseudo-device gif is now self-cloning, so the constant number of > instances there is no longer needed. Here's the line now in GENERIC on > -STABLE: >=20 > pseudo-device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling Fixed. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --v541l457l4DThMFo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjxJcKkACgkQk6gHZCw343U2aACePILhKR88VNEa1ZRxVvC/L0zz xSUAmgMWQnLc0hTa4kAfQG78zIvxnhCB =z3wA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --v541l457l4DThMFo-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Jan 19 5:50:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B048C37B417; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 05:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id g0JDo8D38591; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:50:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:50:08 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Nik Clayton Cc: "David W. Chapman Jr." , Lawrence Sica , Nevermind , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org Subject: Re: we should note "maxusers 0" in UPDATING In-Reply-To: <20020119131210.M62672@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Nik Clayton wrote: > Fixed. Thanks! Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Jan 19 8: 8:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from nebits.com (www.nebits.com [213.196.2.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DE6137B417 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:08:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 87064 invoked by uid 89); 19 Jan 2002 16:09:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20020119160911.87063.qmail@nebits.com> From: "Joris Verschoor" To: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD 4.5 RC1 softupdates Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:09:11 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I don't know if this is a serious bug in softupdates, or if it's just a hardware failure: I've installed FreeBSD4.5RC1 over the net on an old machine. Everething went ok, and it ran for 2 days or so. I turn the computer on this day, and it wont boot properly, it can't mount /usr, and asks me for my shell, so i give him /bin/sh I checked some root .history etc files, nothing special there. So no hack attempt (probably) I run fsck and on /usr (all partitions are on 1 disk, and all have softupdates) it gives me: At phase 2 check pathnames UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCT REMOVE [yn] I enter y Is it me, or is this not good? :) Could you contact me asap? I'd like to reinstall freebsd (4.4 stable), but if you can use my machine to test for bugs, let me know.. Joris Verschoor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Jan 19 9:19:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (www2.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832D037B405 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:19:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from grosbein.pp.ru (eugen@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0JHJ5D00600 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:19:05 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.pp.ru) Message-ID: <3C49AA89.D7A3660A@grosbein.pp.ru> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:19:05 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [ru] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.5-RC i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: ATA CD-ROM problems with 4.5-RC1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! There were several problems with IDE CD-ROM described in http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/28166 and http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/30817 These PRs are closed now (it was said fixes are in CURRENT), but the problems are not resolved at least in 4.5-RC1. I still can reproduce that wrong behaviour. Please test cases described in those PRs. Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Jan 19 10: 2:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C16637B416; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:02:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0JI2lG12150; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:02:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:02:47 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Murray Stokely Cc: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RELENG_4_5 Branch : January 21 ? Message-ID: <20020119190247.A12050@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020119015249.GD18200@freebsdmall.com> <20020119084007.A10312@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020119111145.GL18200@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020119111145.GL18200@freebsdmall.com>; from murray@FreeBSD.org on Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 03:11:45AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 03:11:45AM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 08:40:07AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > Given that I still haven't been able to create a working RC2 for Alpha > > I would consider this a bit ambitious. And how are things like Alpha > > X11 and ports doing? > > I haven't taken a look at where jhb left off with X11, but I hope to > this weekend. I have sent Peter at least 5 emails about the Alpha > ports cluster in the past 2 weeks, but the machines are still not > available. Mind you, that several of my emails included an offer to > personally drive down to Yahoo! and do whatever grunt work is > necessary to setup the machines. Maybe ps can help? He works for Y! too IIRC. > I put a new 7200RPM disk into my PWS500 and got my make world time > down to just over 3 hours. As an exercise in patience I've just > started a "make release" to see how long the build will take. Is disk IIRC it something like 6 hours or so on my DS10 > I/O this slow on all FreeBSD/Alpha machines, or is it just mine? > bonnie++ results are pathetic compared to any x86 box on my network. IDE or SCSI disk? I have not tested/compared IOspeed to be honest. -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Jan 19 13:51: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BED37B416; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03007; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:50:49 -0800 Message-ID: <3C49EA37.1090601@owt.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:50:47 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Murray Stokely , qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RELENG_4_5 Branch : January 21 ? References: <20020119015249.GD18200@freebsdmall.com> <20020119084007.A10312@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020119111145.GL18200@freebsdmall.com> <20020119190247.A12050@freebie.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 03:11:45AM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > >>On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 08:40:07AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: >> >>>Given that I still haven't been able to create a working RC2 for Alpha >>>I would consider this a bit ambitious. And how are things like Alpha >>>X11 and ports doing? >>> >> I haven't taken a look at where jhb left off with X11, but I hope to >>this weekend. I have sent Peter at least 5 emails about the Alpha >>ports cluster in the past 2 weeks, but the machines are still not >>available. Mind you, that several of my emails included an offer to >>personally drive down to Yahoo! and do whatever grunt work is >>necessary to setup the machines. >> > > Maybe ps can help? He works for Y! too IIRC. > > >> I put a new 7200RPM disk into my PWS500 and got my make world time >>down to just over 3 hours. As an exercise in patience I've just >>started a "make release" to see how long the build will take. Is disk >> > > IIRC it something like 6 hours or so on my DS10 > > >>I/O this slow on all FreeBSD/Alpha machines, or is it just mine? >>bonnie++ results are pathetic compared to any x86 box on my network. >> > > IDE or SCSI disk? I have not tested/compared IOspeed to be honest. > > I was testing some ATA-66/100 systems and I hit a limit doing buildworlds. The build speed became much faster when I used 2 or more HDs. It was really important to get /usr/src and /usr/obj and different HDs. I was dropping buildworld times on a dual 866 coppermines from something like 40 minutes to 26 minutes by doing this. I ended up thinking about U2W but decided not to spend the money. The 3 ATA-100 drives cost what a single 30GB lvd scsi cost. I log all of my builds and eventually ended up with the log and system on one drive and /usr/src and /usr/obj on the other two. I figured splitting things up would also benefit a scsi system because it would take advantage of more of the bandwidth from the controller to the HDs. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Jan 19 14: 4:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A4E37B400; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:04:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0JM4Sf39945; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:04:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:04:28 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Kent Stewart Cc: Murray Stokely , qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RELENG_4_5 Branch : January 21 ? Message-ID: <20020119230428.A39931@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020119015249.GD18200@freebsdmall.com> <20020119084007.A10312@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020119111145.GL18200@freebsdmall.com> <20020119190247.A12050@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3C49EA37.1090601@owt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C49EA37.1090601@owt.com>; from kstewart@owt.com on Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 01:50:47PM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 01:50:47PM -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 03:11:45AM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > > > >>On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 08:40:07AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: .. > >> I put a new 7200RPM disk into my PWS500 and got my make world time > >>down to just over 3 hours. As an exercise in patience I've just > >>started a "make release" to see how long the build will take. Is disk > >> > > > > IIRC it something like 6 hours or so on my DS10 > > > > > >>I/O this slow on all FreeBSD/Alpha machines, or is it just mine? > >>bonnie++ results are pathetic compared to any x86 box on my network. > >> > > > > IDE or SCSI disk? I have not tested/compared IOspeed to be honest. > > > > > > > I was testing some ATA-66/100 systems and I hit a limit doing > buildworlds. The build speed became much faster when I used 2 or more > HDs. It was really important to get /usr/src and /usr/obj and > different HDs. I was dropping buildworld times on a dual 866 > coppermines from something like 40 minutes to 26 minutes by doing > this. I ended up thinking about U2W but decided not to spend the > money. The 3 ATA-100 drives cost what a single 30GB lvd scsi cost. > > I log all of my builds and eventually ended up with the log and system > on one drive and /usr/src and /usr/obj on the other two. I figured > splitting things up would also benefit a scsi system because it would > take advantage of more of the bandwidth from the controller to the HDs. As far as I can see on Alpha we are maxing out the CPU instead of the disks. I have UW SCSI on my DS10, on a Qlogic 1040. Not the newest of drives though. I think the CVS operation is disk bound, my CVS repo is on NFS via 100 mbit ethernet to worsen things. -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Jan 19 14:23:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B984A37B416; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04310; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:22:58 -0800 Message-ID: <3C49F1C1.8010408@owt.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:22:57 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Murray Stokely , qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RELENG_4_5 Branch : January 21 ? References: <20020119015249.GD18200@freebsdmall.com> <20020119084007.A10312@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020119111145.GL18200@freebsdmall.com> <20020119190247.A12050@freebie.xs4all.nl> <3C49EA37.1090601@owt.com> <20020119230428.A39931@freebie.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 01:50:47PM -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > > >>Wilko Bulte wrote: >> >> >>>On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 03:11:45AM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 08:40:07AM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: >>>> > > .. > > >>>> I put a new 7200RPM disk into my PWS500 and got my make world time >>>>down to just over 3 hours. As an exercise in patience I've just >>>>started a "make release" to see how long the build will take. Is disk >>>> >>>> >>>IIRC it something like 6 hours or so on my DS10 >>> >>> >>> >>>>I/O this slow on all FreeBSD/Alpha machines, or is it just mine? >>>>bonnie++ results are pathetic compared to any x86 box on my network. >>>> >>>> >>>IDE or SCSI disk? I have not tested/compared IOspeed to be honest. >>> >>> >>> >> >>I was testing some ATA-66/100 systems and I hit a limit doing >>buildworlds. The build speed became much faster when I used 2 or more >>HDs. It was really important to get /usr/src and /usr/obj and >>different HDs. I was dropping buildworld times on a dual 866 >>coppermines from something like 40 minutes to 26 minutes by doing >>this. I ended up thinking about U2W but decided not to spend the >>money. The 3 ATA-100 drives cost what a single 30GB lvd scsi cost. >> >>I log all of my builds and eventually ended up with the log and system >>on one drive and /usr/src and /usr/obj on the other two. I figured >>splitting things up would also benefit a scsi system because it would >>take advantage of more of the bandwidth from the controller to the HDs. >> > > As far as I can see on Alpha we are maxing out the CPU instead of the disks. > I have UW SCSI on my DS10, on a Qlogic 1040. Not the newest of drives > though. I think the CVS operation is disk bound, my CVS repo is on NFS > via 100 mbit ethernet to worsen things. I was moving up in cpu speed and around 800 MHz on the Intel/AMD cpu's the HD's appeared to be the bottleneck. The cpu appeared to be the bottleneck below that speed. One thing I forgot to mention was each IDE HD has its own controller. I was running "time mkworld". Mkworld was a local logging script and I was looking at cpu % and elapsed wall clock time. I am using a 1600+ XP right now and seeing < 80% on the cpu. Setiathome gets the rest of the time but not running setiathome didn't change anything. Specifying a -j? on a single cpu also increased the elapsed build times in most of the configurations. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Jan 19 19:12:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C4C37B419 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.11.3/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0K3CmL65021; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:12:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:12:47 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Joris Verschoor Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.5 RC1 softupdates In-Reply-To: <20020119160911.87063.qmail@nebits.com> Message-ID: <20020119191217.C64528-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> X-All-Your-Base: are belong to us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Joris Verschoor wrote: > UNEXPECTED SOFT UPDATE INCONSISTENCT > REMOVE [yn] That's not all the output. Also the canonical way of running fsck manually is fsck -y unless you want to manually approve/disapprove changes for some reason. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Jan 19 19:51:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FCD37B419; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:51:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 66E3E4B65D; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:51:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:51:53 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Murray Stokely , qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RELENG_4_5 Branch : January 21 ? Message-ID: <20020120035153.GI21973@freebsdmall.com> References: <20020119015249.GD18200@freebsdmall.com> <20020119084007.A10312@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020119111145.GL18200@freebsdmall.com> <20020119190247.A12050@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020119190247.A12050@freebie.xs4all.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 07:02:47PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Maybe ps can help? He works for Y! too IIRC. I'll email Paul and Bill F. if Peter is still too busy. > > I put a new 7200RPM disk into my PWS500 and got my make world time > > down to just over 3 hours. As an exercise in patience I've just > > started a "make release" to see how long the build will take. Is disk > > IIRC it something like 6 hours or so on my DS10 11 hours 45 minutes on my PWS 500a on a 7200RPM UDMA133 IDE disk. The 5200RPM SCSI disks are slower. ad0: 76345MB [155114/16/63] at ata3-master UDMA133 - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Jan 19 22:43:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from spoon.beta.com (spoon.beta.com [199.165.180.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06EE437B41A; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:43:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from spoon.beta.com (mcgovern@localhost.beta.com [127.0.0.1]) by spoon.beta.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0K6hC994495; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:43:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mcgovern@spoon.beta.com) Message-Id: <200201200643.g0K6hC994495@spoon.beta.com> To: Murray Stokely Cc: Wilko Bulte , qa@FreeBSD.ORG, mcgovern@spoon.beta.com Subject: Re: RELENG_4_5 Branch : January 21 ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 19 Jan 2002 19:51:53 PST." <20020120035153.GI21973@freebsdmall.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:43:12 -0500 From: Brian McGovern Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 07:02:47PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > Maybe ps can help? He works for Y! too IIRC. > > I'll email Paul and Bill F. if Peter is still too busy. > > > > I put a new 7200RPM disk into my PWS500 and got my make world time > > > down to just over 3 hours. As an exercise in patience I've just > > > started a "make release" to see how long the build will take. Is disk > > > > IIRC it something like 6 hours or so on my DS10 > > 11 hours 45 minutes on my PWS 500a on a 7200RPM UDMA133 IDE disk. > The 5200RPM SCSI disks are slower. > > ad0: 76345MB [155114/16/63] at ata3-master UDMA133 > > - Murray These times seem pretty high. In the 3.x days, I had a dual P2/450 w/1GB of RAM that I stuck the src/build tree in MFS, and a make release was ~3 hours. But, it sounds like you're more interested in disk performance than low build times. Once I get in enough gear (read: my processor) for my Athlon 1800+, I'll let you know what I can do with a GB of PC2100 RAM these days. -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Jan 19 22:47:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D5037B419; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 8768C4B65D; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:47:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:47:00 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Brian McGovern Cc: Murray Stokely , Wilko Bulte , qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RELENG_4_5 Branch : January 21 ? Message-ID: <20020120064700.GM21973@freebsdmall.com> References: <20020120035153.GI21973@freebsdmall.com> <200201200643.g0K6hC994495@spoon.beta.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200201200643.g0K6hC994495@spoon.beta.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 01:43:12AM -0500, Brian McGovern wrote: > > > > I put a new 7200RPM disk into my PWS500 and got my make world time > > > > down to just over 3 hours. As an exercise in patience I've just > > > > started a "make release" to see how long the build will take. Is disk > > > > > > IIRC it something like 6 hours or so on my DS10 > > > > 11 hours 45 minutes on my PWS 500a on a 7200RPM UDMA133 IDE disk. > > The 5200RPM SCSI disks are slower. > > > > ad0: 76345MB [155114/16/63] at ata3-master UDMA133 > > > > - Murray > > These times seem pretty high. In the 3.x days, I had a dual P2/450 w/1GB of > RAM that I stuck the src/build tree in MFS, and a make release was > ~3 hours. > > But, it sounds like you're more interested in disk performance than low > build times. Once I get in enough gear (read: my processor) for my Athlon > 1800+, I'll let you know what I can do with a GB of PC2100 RAM these days. I don't think that will really help. We know that x86 boxes can scream through a release. I was trying to find out why the Alpha is so slow. All of my AMD machines build world in about 30 minutes, and can build a release in just a few hours. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message