From owner-freebsd-qa Sun May 19 1:10:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (www.freebsdmall.com [66.220.2.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0681437B401; Sun, 19 May 2002 01:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 007ED2E827; Sun, 19 May 2002 01:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 01:09:54 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: stable@FreeBSD.org Cc: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD 4.6-RC2 (i386) is now available. Message-ID: <20020519010954.A38669@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD 4.6-RC2 (i386) is now available : http://ftp.au.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.6-RC2/ ftp://freebsd.nctu.edu.tw/pub/i386/4.6-RC2/ The other mirrors should pick up the release soon. This candidate fixes the sysinstall buffer truncation issue that prevented the successful installation of GNOME with 4.6-RC1. There have been very few other changes between the two releases, so bug reports against RC1 are still very much appreciated. Unless any other major issues crop up before hand, we will release another RC in 5-7 days. Testing Guide : http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/4.6R/qa.html Release Schedule : http://www.FreeBSD.org/releng Thanks for your help in making another successful release of FreeBSD! - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun May 19 9:44:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl2.sentex.ca (vinyl2.sentex.ca [199.212.134.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018C637B406; Sun, 19 May 2002 09:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from house.sentex.net (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by vinyl2.sentex.ca (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4JGiCdd041499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 19 May 2002 12:44:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020519124340.053bd310@192.168.0.12> X-Sender: mdtancsa@192.168.0.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:44:34 -0400 To: Murray Stokely From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.6-RC2 (i386) is now available. Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020519010954.A38669@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Can you tell me the MD5 checksum of the image ? From the AUS site, I got MD5 (4.6-RC2-install.iso) = 8cafccccce7c79b977500d2776bf74b7 ---Mike At 01:09 AM 5/19/2002 -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > FreeBSD 4.6-RC2 (i386) is now available : > >http://ftp.au.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.6-RC2/ >ftp://freebsd.nctu.edu.tw/pub/i386/4.6-RC2/ > > The other mirrors should pick up the release soon. This candidate >fixes the sysinstall buffer truncation issue that prevented the >successful installation of GNOME with 4.6-RC1. There have been very >few other changes between the two releases, so bug reports against RC1 >are still very much appreciated. Unless any other major issues crop >up before hand, we will release another RC in 5-7 days. > >Testing Guide : > http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/4.6R/qa.html > >Release Schedule : > http://www.FreeBSD.org/releng > > Thanks for your help in making another successful release of >FreeBSD! > > - Murray > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun May 19 11:32:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0778F37B40D; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user82.net251.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([64.45.233.82] helo=k6-2.weeble.com) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 179VU4-0001L2-00; Sun, 19 May 2002 11:32:45 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:33:14 -0400 From: rpratt1950@earthlink.net To: Murray Stokely Cc: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: 4.6-RC1 and X4.2 Message-Id: <20020519143314.5f85c87c.rpratt1950@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've installed RC1 on two systems and ran into a little problem when using a PS/2 mouse and configuring X. I've tried all 3 of the methods thru sysinstall and not had a successful configuration and had to configure X after installation was complete. If I use "PS/2" as the mouse protocol and "/dev/sysmouse" as the device, the X configuration always fails. If I edit the XF86Config file and use "Auto" as the mouse protocol, it will work. I've not figured out how to get the configuration utilities to use "Auto" so that the normal sysinstall flow will be followed. By not following the flow of sysinstall, there is no opportunity to select a default desktop as well as the side effect of the appropriate entries in /usr/share/skel/ not being made, particularly dot.xinitrc in this case. I'll keep looking for a solution that is appropriate for the Handbook section on installation for new users. I hope I'm missing something obvious here and someone will point it out. I'd like to find a smooth path within sysinstall without having to resort to post-install hand editing. Randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun May 19 12:19:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl (amsfep11-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9CBD37B40F for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 12:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iae.nl ([213.46.9.162]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020519191931.GUTF1209.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@iae.nl> for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 21:19:31 +0200 Message-ID: <3CE7FAC3.6886084C@iae.nl> Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:19:31 +0200 From: Hans Ottevanger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.6-RC i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: qa@freebsd.org Subject: 4.6-RC2 install problems with AOpen ATAPI CD-ROM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi folks, I downloaded the 4.6-RC2 ISO today and tried an installation on a few quite different machines (Pentium 66, Pentium 200MMX and two Dual Celerons). The only machine where I succeeded was a Dual Celeron equiped with a Plextor ATAPI 12/10/32 CD-RW. The others have an AOpen ATAPI CD-ROM drive (48X or 52X) and failed with messages like : acd0: READ_BIG command timeout - resetting ata3: resetting devices .. done while installing the first tarball. On the P66 and P200 the message is repeated three times, after which the installation stops, but the system is still responsive. The Dual Celeron (ABit BP6 based) crashes with a fatal trap 12. I also did an NFS install (from the system with the Plextor drive), and then all systems install perfectly. However, on the installed systems accessing large files on CD-ROM caused the same timeouts again, followed by a crash on the BP6. All machines functioned perfectly when installing 4.5-RELEASE, and using 4.5-STABLE up to a few weeks ago. I think this problem is already described in PR 37420. It also seems to occur with Creative CD-ROM drives. Can we do something about it, before 4.6 is released ? Otherwise this bug will prevent 4.6 from being installed on quite some hardware. Of course I can provide far more details about the hardware used, if needed. I can also do some additional experiments. Kind regards, Hans To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun May 19 17:20:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from spoon.beta.com (spoon.beta.com [199.165.180.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FEF37B409 for ; Sun, 19 May 2002 17:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spoon.beta.com (mcgovern@localhost.beta.com [127.0.0.1]) by spoon.beta.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4K0JwT59798; Sun, 19 May 2002 20:19:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mcgovern@spoon.beta.com) Message-Id: <200205200019.g4K0JwT59798@spoon.beta.com> To: Hans Ottevanger Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG, mcgovern@spoon.beta.com Subject: Re: 4.6-RC2 install problems with AOpen ATAPI CD-ROM In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 May 2002 21:19:31 +0200." <3CE7FAC3.6886084C@iae.nl> Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 20:19:58 -0400 From: Brian McGovern Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can you describe the drives and arrangements in the troubled machines? I've been installing on quite a mix of CD-ROM and DVD-ROM based machines, including some creative drives, with no issues. The bug reported was w/creative drives using PIO4, and it appeared to cause a hard lockup, which doesn't quite sound the same. In my particular configurations, the hard disk is either master or slave on the primary IDE controller, and the CD is the master on the secondary controller, with no slave. -Brian > Hi folks, > > I downloaded the 4.6-RC2 ISO today and tried an installation on a few > quite different machines (Pentium 66, Pentium 200MMX and two Dual > Celerons). > > The only machine where I succeeded was a Dual Celeron equiped with a > Plextor ATAPI 12/10/32 CD-RW. The others have an AOpen ATAPI CD-ROM > drive (48X or 52X) and failed with messages like : > > acd0: READ_BIG command timeout - resetting > ata3: resetting devices .. done > > while installing the first tarball. > > On the P66 and P200 the message is repeated three times, after which the > installation stops, but the system is still responsive. The Dual Celeron > (ABit BP6 based) crashes with a fatal trap 12. > > I also did an NFS install (from the system with the Plextor drive), and > then all systems install perfectly. However, on the installed systems > accessing large files on CD-ROM caused the same timeouts again, followed > by a crash on the BP6. > > All machines functioned perfectly when installing 4.5-RELEASE, and using > 4.5-STABLE up to a few weeks ago. > > I think this problem is already described in PR 37420. It also seems to > occur with Creative CD-ROM drives. Can we do something about it, before > 4.6 is released ? Otherwise this bug will prevent 4.6 from being > installed on quite some hardware. > > Of course I can provide far more details about the hardware used, if > needed. I can also do some additional experiments. > > Kind regards, > > Hans > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun May 19 18:16:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from Awfulhak.org (gw.Awfulhak.org [217.204.245.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD7537B406; Sun, 19 May 2002 18:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org [IPv6:fec0::1:12]) by Awfulhak.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4K1Ghuq000718; Mon, 20 May 2002 02:16:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4K1GbDV009024; Mon, 20 May 2002 02:16:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200205200116.g4K1GbDV009024@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Mike Tancsa Cc: Murray Stokely , qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.6-RC2 (i386) is now available. In-Reply-To: Message from Mike Tancsa of "Sun, 19 May 2002 12:44:34 EDT." <5.1.0.14.0.20020519124340.053bd310@192.168.0.12> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 02:16:37 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi, > Can you tell me the MD5 checksum of the image ? From the AUS site, > I got > > MD5 (4.6-RC2-install.iso) = 8cafccccce7c79b977500d2776bf74b7 > > ---Mike That's correct. -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun May 19 19:35: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl2.sentex.ca (vinyl2.sentex.ca [199.212.134.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA3837B40C; Sun, 19 May 2002 19:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from house.sentex.net (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by vinyl2.sentex.ca (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4K2Yxdd064275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 19 May 2002 22:35:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020519223041.054afbd8@192.168.0.12> X-Sender: mdtancsa@192.168.0.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 22:35:23 -0400 To: Brian Somers From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Mirror of 4.6RC2 ISO (was Re: FreeBSD 4.6-RC2 (i386) is now available. Cc: Murray Stokely , qa@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200205200116.g4K1GbDV009024@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020519124340.053bd310@192.168.0.12> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 02:16 AM 5/20/2002 +0100, Brian Somers wrote: > > Hi, > > Can you tell me the MD5 checksum of the image ? From the AUS > site, > > I got > > > > MD5 (4.6-RC2-install.iso) = 8cafccccce7c79b977500d2776bf74b7 > > > > ---Mike > >That's correct. >-- >Brian Great! I have made a local North American copy of the ISO available at http://shell1.sentex.ca/4.6-RC2-install.iso I have allocated 5Mb of outbound bandwidth to it. ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon May 20 4:18:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from pump3.york.ac.uk (pump3.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E76737B40D; Mon, 20 May 2002 04:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ury.york.ac.uk (ury.york.ac.uk [144.32.108.81]) by pump3.york.ac.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g4KBHtU25049; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:17:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from ury.york.ac.uk (localhost.york.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by ury.york.ac.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4KBHt4D072189; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:17:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) Received: from localhost (gavin@localhost) by ury.york.ac.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g4KBHqCu072184; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:17:55 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: ury.york.ac.uk: gavin owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:17:52 +0100 (BST) From: Gavin Atkinson To: Brian Somers Cc: , , , Subject: Re: BUG: isc-dhcp dhclient infinite loop regression in 4.6-PRE In-Reply-To: <200205171157.g4HBvUWs091777@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Fri, 17 May 2002, Brian Somers wrote: > Hi, > > As Murray's pretty much busy with real life at the moment, can I ask > you to try this patch ? Have been able to test this now, and both this patch, and the patch submitted by Peter Radcliffe work as expected. Thanks! Gavin > Index: discover.c > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/contrib/isc-dhcp/common/discover.c,v > retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 > diff -u -r1.1.1.1 discover.c > --- discover.c 19 Feb 2002 11:04:33 -0000 1.1.1.1 > +++ discover.c 17 May 2002 11:51:50 -0000 > @@ -755,8 +755,7 @@ > again: > if ((result = > receive_packet (ip, u.packbuf, sizeof u, &from, &hfrom)) < 0) { > - log_error ("receive_packet failed on %s: %m", ip -> name); > - return ISC_R_UNEXPECTED; > + log_fatal ("receive_packet failed on %s: %m", ip -> name); > } > if (result == 0) > return ISC_R_UNEXPECTED; > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon May 20 9:55:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from south.nanolink.com (south.nanolink.com [217.75.134.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0883137B6AB for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 09:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24361 invoked by uid 85); 20 May 2002 16:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO straylight.ringlet.net) (212.116.140.125) by south.nanolink.com with SMTP; 20 May 2002 16:24:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 53865 invoked by uid 1000); 20 May 2002 16:15:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:15:46 +0300 From: Peter Pentchev To: Damon Anton Permezel Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.6-* sendmail misfeatures Message-ID: <20020520191546.D349@straylight.oblivion.bg> Mail-Followup-To: Damon Anton Permezel , freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <20020520105154.E962@damon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BRE3mIcgqKzpedwo" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020520105154.E962@damon.com>; from dap@damon.com on Mon, May 20, 2002 at 10:51:54AM -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by Nik's Monitoring Daemon (AMaViS perl-11d) Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --BRE3mIcgqKzpedwo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 10:51:54AM -0500, Damon Anton Permezel wrote: > Since upgrading from 4.5 to 4.6-*, I have had problems exchanging > email with a correspondent at "austinenergy.com". It shows up as: >=20 > % echo hi | mail -v no.such.user@austinenergy.com > austinenergy.com: Name server timeout > no.such.user@austinenergy.com... Transient parse error -- message queued= for future delivery > no.such.user@austinenergy.com... queued >=20 > I have tracked this down to the fact that sendmail is using a IPv6-style > lookup request. It is a "AAAA ?" rather than a "A ?" (in tcpdump-esque). [CC'd to -qa; this seems to be a usability problem, we are in a release code freeze, which mostly makes it a QA problem.] What exactly is the tcpdump output that you have been getting? It seems to me that, at least from my end, it is a simple matter of a timeout - the nameserver for austinenergy.com is listed from the gTLD servers as bolt.electric.austin.tx.us, and the nameservers for electric.austin.tx.us seem to not reply to any requests at all: nslookup, dig, dnsip, dnsipq all return either a timeout or a 'connection refused', which is mostly synonymous to a timeout. The fact that you see an AAAA query from sendmail is due to its (correct) behavior of trying an AAAA query before an A one, so as to prefer an IPv6 AAAA record to an IPv4 A record. The fact that sendmail does not even try an A query is due to its (correctly) assuming that something is wrong with the server - temporarily - because it received a SERVFAIL response. The SERVFAIL response (which means exactly as it says, a server failure, which is assumed to be a temporary condition) is returned by either your FreeBSD system's resolver library, or your ISP's nameserver, simply because, well, because the server failed (see above about the timeouts). > Further investigation dug up this manifesto in the sendmail README: >=20 > When attempting to canonify a hostname, some broken name > servers will return SERVFAIL (a temporary failure) on T_AAAA > (IPv6) lookups. If you want to excuse this behavior, include > WorkAroundBrokenAAAA in ResolverOptions. However, instead, > we recommend catching the problem and reporting it to the > name server administrator so we can rid the world of broken > name servers. >=20 > So, in violation of the networking "be liberal in what you accept and > conservative in what you produce", sendmail in it's new form will have ma= ny > perplexed sysadmins spending lots of time tracking down these mysterious > failures. >=20 > I suggest that the version of sendmail configs shipped with FreeBSD > should default to having WorkAroundBrokenAAAA set by default. Just a question: have you tried it with this option, and did it work? That is, did you get a response to an A query that you did not get to an AAAA? Once again, can you post some tcpdump output? G'luck, Peter --=20 Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@FreeBSD.org PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 This sentence contradicts itself - or rather - well, no, actually it doesn'= t! --BRE3mIcgqKzpedwo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE86SEy7Ri2jRYZRVMRArFuAKCm9mny14hs3KwNwIhVD9HF/pdhMACgjESN tw6ZIQGYFYqlPXV7xLGjahg= =Zf6i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BRE3mIcgqKzpedwo-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon May 20 10:28:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from damon.com (damon.com [199.98.84.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1B337B43C; Mon, 20 May 2002 10:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from damon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by damon.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4KHPxH4002613; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:25:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dap@damon.com) Received: (from dap@localhost) by damon.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g4KHPwIj002612; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:25:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dap) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:25:58 -0500 From: Damon Anton Permezel To: Peter Pentchev Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.6-* sendmail misfeatures Message-ID: <20020520122558.F962@damon.com> References: <20020520105154.E962@damon.com> <20020520191546.D349@straylight.oblivion.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020520191546.D349@straylight.oblivion.bg>; from roam@ringlet.net on Mon, May 20, 2002 at 07:15:46PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It is not a matter of a timeout. The "A ?" come back fine. `dig' and 'nslookup' both resolve the name -- there is no timeout. `ping' works, for example. Because sendmail "correctly" (aka: anal-retentively) adheres to a protocol, it flags this as an error, and doesn't attempt to try the "A ?" query. This means that the outgoing mail sits in the queue forever. This is not a particularly useful default behavior. I have no control over austinenergy.com's DNS. It has nothing to do with my ISP. I am my own ISP, which is why I spent some time looking into this failure, to determine if it was a problem on my end. It is, because I installed a broken sendmail. The success of the internet has often been attributed in part to the philosophy stated in RFC 791. I quote: "The implementation of a protocol must be robust. Each implementation must expect to interoperate with others created by different individuals. .... In general, an implementation must be conservative in its sending behavior, and liberal in its receiving behavior." Burying a "we are correct" manifesto in some README and enforcing a default "correct" behavior results in breaking email connectivity. It would be better to, perhaps, default to working, which I would prefer over it being silently, secretly and smugly "correct". If there really is a need to convert the world, syslog warning entries might be a less unfriendly way to alert the unwashed masses of the egregious violations of "correctness". Cheers, Damon. On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 07:15:46PM +0300, Peter Pentchev wrote: > On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 10:51:54AM -0500, Damon Anton Permezel wrote: > > Since upgrading from 4.5 to 4.6-*, I have had problems exchanging > > email with a correspondent at "austinenergy.com". It shows up as: > > > > % echo hi | mail -v no.such.user@austinenergy.com > > austinenergy.com: Name server timeout > > no.such.user@austinenergy.com... Transient parse error -- message queued for future delivery > > no.such.user@austinenergy.com... queued > > > > I have tracked this down to the fact that sendmail is using a IPv6-style > > lookup request. It is a "AAAA ?" rather than a "A ?" (in tcpdump-esque). > > [CC'd to -qa; this seems to be a usability problem, we are in a release > code freeze, which mostly makes it a QA problem.] > > What exactly is the tcpdump output that you have been getting? > It seems to me that, at least from my end, it is a simple matter > of a timeout - the nameserver for austinenergy.com is listed > from the gTLD servers as bolt.electric.austin.tx.us, and the nameservers > for electric.austin.tx.us seem to not reply to any requests at all: > nslookup, dig, dnsip, dnsipq all return either a timeout or > a 'connection refused', which is mostly synonymous to a timeout. > > The fact that you see an AAAA query from sendmail is due to its (correct) > behavior of trying an AAAA query before an A one, so as to prefer an IPv6 > AAAA record to an IPv4 A record. The fact that sendmail does not even > try an A query is due to its (correctly) assuming that something is wrong > with the server - temporarily - because it received a SERVFAIL response. > The SERVFAIL response (which means exactly as it says, a server failure, > which is assumed to be a temporary condition) is returned by either your > FreeBSD system's resolver library, or your ISP's nameserver, simply > because, well, because the server failed (see above about the timeouts). > > > Further investigation dug up this manifesto in the sendmail README: > > > > When attempting to canonify a hostname, some broken name > > servers will return SERVFAIL (a temporary failure) on T_AAAA > > (IPv6) lookups. If you want to excuse this behavior, include > > WorkAroundBrokenAAAA in ResolverOptions. However, instead, > > we recommend catching the problem and reporting it to the > > name server administrator so we can rid the world of broken > > name servers. > > > > So, in violation of the networking "be liberal in what you accept and > > conservative in what you produce", sendmail in it's new form will have many > > perplexed sysadmins spending lots of time tracking down these mysterious > > failures. > > > > I suggest that the version of sendmail configs shipped with FreeBSD > > should default to having WorkAroundBrokenAAAA set by default. > > Just a question: have you tried it with this option, and did it work? > That is, did you get a response to an A query that you did not get > to an AAAA? Once again, can you post some tcpdump output? > > G'luck, > Peter > > -- > Peter Pentchev roam@ringlet.net roam@FreeBSD.org > PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc > Key fingerprint FDBA FD79 C26F 3C51 C95E DF9E ED18 B68D 1619 4553 > This sentence contradicts itself - or rather - well, no, actually it doesn't! -- -- Damon Permezel dap@damon.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon May 20 11:48:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5591637B407; Mon, 20 May 2002 11:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blossom.cjclark.org ([12.234.91.48]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020520184825.GLHA8004.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@blossom.cjclark.org>; Mon, 20 May 2002 18:48:25 +0000 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g4KImNe02004; Mon, 20 May 2002 11:48:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crist.clark@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: blossom.cjclark.org: cjc set sender to crist.clark@attbi.com using -f Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:48:23 -0700 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: Damon Anton Permezel Cc: Peter Pentchev , freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.6-* sendmail misfeatures Message-ID: <20020520114823.D1468@blossom.cjclark.org> Reply-To: "Crist J. Clark" References: <20020520105154.E962@damon.com> <20020520191546.D349@straylight.oblivion.bg> <20020520122558.F962@damon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020520122558.F962@damon.com>; from dap@damon.com on Mon, May 20, 2002 at 12:25:58PM -0500 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 12:25:58PM -0500, Damon Anton Permezel wrote: > It is not a matter of a timeout. Correct. The NS is actually reporting a transient error in response to AAAA queries. > The "A ?" come back fine. > `dig' and 'nslookup' both resolve the name -- there is no timeout. > `ping' works, for example. > > Because sendmail "correctly" (aka: anal-retentively) adheres to a > protocol, it flags this as an error, Not sure what's so anal-retentive. The NS tells sendmail(8) there is an error and sendmail(8) believes it. > and doesn't attempt to try the > "A ?" query. This means that the outgoing mail sits in the queue forever. > > This is not a particularly useful default behavior. > > I have no control over austinenergy.com's DNS. It has nothing to do > with my ISP. I am my own ISP, which is why I spent some time looking > into this failure, to determine if it was a problem on my end. It is, > because I installed a broken sendmail. > > The success of the internet has often been attributed in part to the > philosophy stated in RFC 791. I quote: > > "The implementation of a protocol must be robust. Each > implementation must expect to interoperate with others created > by different individuals. .... > In general, an implementation must be conservative in its sending > behavior, and liberal in its receiving behavior." Too bad the people who wrote these broken DNS servers didn't follow the rule. > Burying a "we are correct" manifesto in some README and enforcing > a default "correct" behavior results in breaking email connectivity. > > It would be better to, perhaps, default to working, which I would > prefer over it being silently, secretly and smugly "correct". > If there really is a need to convert the world, syslog warning > entries might be a less unfriendly way to alert the unwashed masses > of the egregious violations of "correctness". The issue is that the server is reporting a _transient_ failure. That is, it's telling us that if we wait and try again later, we might get a correct response. How do we know if it is a permanently broken server or one that really is having a transient problem that will be fixed soon? See 5.2.3 of RFC 1034. Funny thing is that austinenergy.com seems to have one NS that deals with AAAA queries in an OK-way and one that doesn't. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon May 20 12: 1: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from damon.com (damon.com [199.98.84.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EC837B407; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from damon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by damon.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4KJ0kH4003639; Mon, 20 May 2002 14:00:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dap@damon.com) Received: (from dap@localhost) by damon.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g4KJ0jDd003638; Mon, 20 May 2002 14:00:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dap) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:00:45 -0500 From: Damon Anton Permezel To: "Crist J. Clark" Cc: Peter Pentchev , freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.6-* sendmail misfeatures Message-ID: <20020520140045.I962@damon.com> References: <20020520105154.E962@damon.com> <20020520191546.D349@straylight.oblivion.bg> <20020520122558.F962@damon.com> <20020520114823.D1468@blossom.cjclark.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020520114823.D1468@blossom.cjclark.org>; from crist.clark@attbi.com on Mon, May 20, 2002 at 11:48:23AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The issue here is that there are nameservers out there which, with the prior release of freebsd, worked fine with sendmail. An incompatible version of sendmail is about to be foisted on an unsuspecting public. I don't care particularly one way or the other, as I now know what the problem is, and how to fix it. Other's will have to go through the same discovery. I am only wasting my time in an attempt to make things easier for them. Cheers, Damon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon May 20 12: 2:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from totem.fix.no (totem.fix.no [80.91.32.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAC337B406 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by totem.fix.no (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1BECE20323; Mon, 20 May 2002 21:03:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:03:09 +0200 From: Anders Nordby To: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: PR bin/37650: Add skipPCCARD variable to sysinstall Message-ID: <20020520190308.GA33501@totem.fix.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i X-PGP-Key: http://anders.fix.no/pgp/ X-PGP-Key-FingerPrint: 1E0F C53C D8DF 6A8F EAAD 19C5 D12A BC9F 0083 5956 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello qa@, Could you guys please have a look at this PR and tell me what you think? I'd be happy to commit it, but then again I'm not (at least yet) a src/ guy. PS: jhb@ told me to mail qa@ about this.. Cheers, -- Anders. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon May 20 12:18:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mtbaker.tfm.com (mtbaker.tfm.com [192.231.224.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9544D37B406; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from db@localhost) by mtbaker.tfm.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g4KJI0t11432; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:18:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Diane Bruce Message-Id: <200205201918.g4KJI0t11432@mtbaker.tfm.com> Subject: Re: 4.6-* sendmail misfeatures In-Reply-To: <20020520114823.D1468@blossom.cjclark.org> "from Crist J. Clark at May 20, 2002 11:48:23 am" To: "Crist J. Clark" Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Damon Anton Permezel , Peter Pentchev , freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL78 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Crist J. Clark says: > On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 12:25:58PM -0500, Damon Anton Permezel wrote: > > It is not a matter of a timeout. ... > > I have no control over austinenergy.com's DNS. It has nothing to do > > with my ISP. I am my own ISP, which is why I spent some time looking > > into this failure, to determine if it was a problem on my end. It is, > > because I installed a broken sendmail. Your ISPs DNS is broken. Whether or not -you- like it, IPV6 is coming. If you in particular don't want to use IPV6 then your ISP will fail. You can also continue to drive your horse and buggy. Compile in IPV6 use the work-around for now and complain to your ISP. Damon why are you such a WHINER anyway? Get a life. > > The success of the internet has often been attributed in part to the > > philosophy stated in RFC 791. I quote: > > > > "The implementation of a protocol must be robust. Each > > implementation must expect to interoperate with others created > > by different individuals. .... > > In general, an implementation must be conservative in its sending > > behavior, and liberal in its receiving behavior." > > Too bad the people who wrote these broken DNS servers didn't follow > the rule. Agreed. -- Diane Bruce, http://www.db.net/~db db@db.net --- aphorisms are ephemeral. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon May 20 13: 8:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11F737B40E; Mon, 20 May 2002 13:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0335.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.43.80] helo=mindspring.com) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 179tRp-00023N-00; Mon, 20 May 2002 13:08:02 -0700 Message-ID: <3CE95783.68373D22@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:07:31 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Damon Anton Permezel Cc: Peter Pentchev , freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Gripeing about the change to IPv6 References: <20020520105154.E962@damon.com> <20020520191546.D349@straylight.oblivion.bg> <20020520122558.F962@damon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Damon Anton Permezel wrote: > It is not a matter of a timeout. > The "A ?" come back fine. > `dig' and 'nslookup' both resolve the name -- there is no timeout. > `ping' works, for example. > > Because sendmail "correctly" (aka: anal-retentively) adheres to a > protocol, it flags this as an error, and doesn't attempt to try the > "A ?" query. This means that the outgoing mail sits in the queue forever. This is a DNS problem, not a sendmail problem. If you want to make allowances for broken nameservers reporting "SERVFAIL" for IPv6 requests because their operators have some political agenda against the deployment of IPv6, then I suggest you run a transcoding proxy DNS server. Such a server would attempt the IPv6 lookup as an IPv4 lookup, and, if the latter was successful, reinterpret the SERVFAIL, and respond to the client with the correct response to the IPv6 lookup, instead of the incorrect one, without forwarding the "SERVFAIL" for the IPv6 request from the client. Doing this works around the problem for *every* IPv6 aware program, not just "sendmail" (e.g. someone recently had a similar problem with "mozilla"). Hacking up every program to dike out proper IPv6 support is definitely *not* the answer. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon May 20 18: 9:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from Awfulhak.org (gw.Awfulhak.org [217.204.245.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2616737B404; Mon, 20 May 2002 18:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org [IPv6:fec0::1:12]) by Awfulhak.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4L19K7e002631; Tue, 21 May 2002 02:09:20 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4L19GDV013554; Tue, 21 May 2002 02:09:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200205210109.g4L19GDV013554@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Anders Nordby Cc: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: PR bin/37650: Add skipPCCARD variable to sysinstall In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 20 May 2002 21:03:09 +0200." <20020520190308.GA33501@totem.fix.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 02:09:16 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Can you update sysinstall(8) too ? Apart from that, the change looks good to me. > Hello qa@, > > Could you guys please have a look at this PR and tell me what you think? > > I'd be happy to commit it, but then again I'm not (at least yet) a src/ > guy. > > PS: jhb@ told me to mail qa@ about this.. > > Cheers, > > -- > Anders. -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue May 21 3:29:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.249.195.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D37637B413 for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 03:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18575 invoked by uid 501); 21 May 2002 10:29:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 May 2002 10:29:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 07:29:52 -0300 (BRT) From: Paulo Fragoso To: Murray Stokely Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.6-RC2 (i386) is now available. In-Reply-To: <20020519010954.A38669@freebsdmall.com> Message-ID: <20020521072856.Y15050-100000@mirage.nlink.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What about md5 cheksum for that iso image? Thanks, Paulo. On Sun, 19 May 2002, Murray Stokely wrote: > FreeBSD 4.6-RC2 (i386) is now available : > > http://ftp.au.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.6-RC2/ > ftp://freebsd.nctu.edu.tw/pub/i386/4.6-RC2/ > > The other mirrors should pick up the release soon. This candidate > fixes the sysinstall buffer truncation issue that prevented the > successful installation of GNOME with 4.6-RC1. There have been very > few other changes between the two releases, so bug reports against RC1 > are still very much appreciated. Unless any other major issues crop > up before hand, we will release another RC in 5-7 days. > > Testing Guide : > http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/4.6R/qa.html > > Release Schedule : > http://www.FreeBSD.org/releng > > Thanks for your help in making another successful release of > FreeBSD! > > - Murray > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- __O _-\<,_ Why drive when you can bike? (_)/ (_) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue May 21 6:43:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from Awfulhak.org (gw.Awfulhak.org [217.204.245.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1FC37B404; Tue, 21 May 2002 06:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org [IPv6:fec0::1:12]) by Awfulhak.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4LDhZ7e007497; Tue, 21 May 2002 14:43:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g4LDhVlr005429; Tue, 21 May 2002 14:43:31 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200205211343.g4LDhVlr005429@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Paulo Fragoso Cc: Murray Stokely , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.6-RC2 (i386) is now available. In-Reply-To: Message from Paulo Fragoso of "Tue, 21 May 2002 07:29:52 -0300." <20020521072856.Y15050-100000@mirage.nlink.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:43:31 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I said a little while ago on this list: : MD5 (4.6-RC2-install.iso) = 8cafccccce7c79b977500d2776bf74b7 Cheers. > What about md5 cheksum for that iso image? > > Thanks, > Paulo. > > On Sun, 19 May 2002, Murray Stokely wrote: > > > FreeBSD 4.6-RC2 (i386) is now available : > > > > http://ftp.au.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.6-RC2/ > > ftp://freebsd.nctu.edu.tw/pub/i386/4.6-RC2/ > > > > The other mirrors should pick up the release soon. This candidate > > fixes the sysinstall buffer truncation issue that prevented the > > successful installation of GNOME with 4.6-RC1. There have been very > > few other changes between the two releases, so bug reports against RC1 > > are still very much appreciated. Unless any other major issues crop > > up before hand, we will release another RC in 5-7 days. > > > > Testing Guide : > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/4.6R/qa.html > > > > Release Schedule : > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/releng > > > > Thanks for your help in making another successful release of > > FreeBSD! > > > > - Murray > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > -- > __O > _-\<,_ Why drive when you can bike? > (_)/ (_) > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue May 21 12:12:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from amsfep16-int.chello.nl (amsfep16-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B4C37B40A for ; Tue, 21 May 2002 12:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iae.nl ([213.46.9.162]) by amsfep16-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020521191156.FSZN26815.amsfep16-int.chello.nl@iae.nl>; Tue, 21 May 2002 21:11:56 +0200 Message-ID: <3CEA9BFB.E12CBAF2@iae.nl> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:11:55 +0200 From: Hans Ottevanger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.6-RC i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian McGovern Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.6-RC2 install problems with AOpen ATAPI CD-ROM References: <200205200019.g4K0JwT59798@spoon.beta.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, here we go: Pentium 66: Ancient Intel Motherboard. The on-board RZ 1000 controller is disabled. Drives are connected to a Promise ATA100 card. Relevant parts of dmesg: ... atapci0: at device 1.0 on pci0 atapci0: ATA channel disabled by BIOS ... atapci1: port 0xfc00-0xfc3f,0xfc58-0xfc5b,0xfc60-0xfc67,0xfc70-0xfc7 3,0xfc78-0xfc7f mem 0xffbc0000-0xffbdffff irq 10 at device 14.0 on pci0 ata2: at 0xfc78 on atapci1 ata3: at 0xfc60 on atapci1 ... ata0 at port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 irq 14 on isa0 ata1 at port 0x170-0x177,0x376 irq 15 on isa0 ... ad4: 19541MB [39703/16/63] at ata2-master UDMA66 acd0: CDROM at ata3-master PIO4 ... Pentium 200 MMX: Older Intel TC430HX motherboard. CD-ROM connected to the on-board controller as secondary master. Harddisk as primary master on the same type of Promise card. Again an excerpt from dmesg: ... atapci0: port 0xff90-0xff9f at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 ... atapci1: port 0xff00-0xff3f,0xffe0-0xffe3,0xffa8-0xffaf,0xffe4-0xffe 7,0xfff0-0xfff7 mem 0xffbc0000-0xffbdffff irq 10 at device 14.0 on pci0 ata2: at 0xfff0 on atapci1 ata3: at 0xffa8 on atapci1 ... ad4: 19541MB [39703/16/63] at ata2-master UDMA66 acd0: CDROM at ata1-master PIO4 ... Dual Celeron 466: ABit BP6 motherboard. CD-ROM as promary master on the on-board controller. The on-board HighPoint HPT366 is unused (proved to be unreliable for UDMA33 and UDMA66). The hard disk is primary master on a Promise TX2 ATA100 adapter. ... atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 ... atapci1: port 0xa800-0xa80f,0xa400-0xa403,0xa000-0xa007,0x9c00-0 x9c03,0x9800-0x9807 mem 0xdb000000-0xdb003fff irq 9 at device 11.0 on pci0 ata2: at 0x9800 on atapci1 ata3: at 0xa000 on atapci1 ... atapci2: port 0xb800-0xb8ff,0xb400-0xb403,0xb000-0xb007 irq 9 at device 19.0 on pci0 ata4: at 0xb000 on atapci2 atapci3: port 0xc400-0xc4ff,0xc000-0xc003,0xbc00-0xbc07 irq 9 at device 19.1 on pci0 ata5: at 0xbc00 on atapci3 ata0-slave: ATAPI identify retries exceeded ... ad4: 39082MB [79406/16/63] at ata2-master UDMA100 acd0: CDROM at ata0-master PIO4 ... The message: ata0-slave: ATAPI identify retries exceeded vanishes when the CD-ROM is configured as slave. This is probably an unrelated problem. It seems harmless. BTW. On the Dual Celeron, when I switch on DMA for the CD-ROM by putting "hw.ata.atapi_dma=1" in /boot/loader.conf, once the system is installed, the READ_BIG timeouts do not occur anymore. Kind regards, Hans Brian McGovern wrote: > > Can you describe the drives and arrangements in the troubled machines? I've > been installing on quite a mix of CD-ROM and DVD-ROM based machines, including > some creative drives, with no issues. The bug reported was w/creative > drives using PIO4, and it appeared to cause a hard lockup, which doesn't > quite sound the same. > > In my particular configurations, the hard disk is either master or slave on > the primary IDE controller, and the CD is the master on the secondary > controller, with no slave. > > -Brian > > > Hi folks, > > > > I downloaded the 4.6-RC2 ISO today and tried an installation on a few > > quite different machines (Pentium 66, Pentium 200MMX and two Dual > > Celerons). > > > > The only machine where I succeeded was a Dual Celeron equiped with a > > Plextor ATAPI 12/10/32 CD-RW. The others have an AOpen ATAPI CD-ROM > > drive (48X or 52X) and failed with messages like : > > > > acd0: READ_BIG command timeout - resetting > > ata3: resetting devices .. done > > > > while installing the first tarball. > > > > On the P66 and P200 the message is repeated three times, after which the > > installation stops, but the system is still responsive. The Dual Celeron > > (ABit BP6 based) crashes with a fatal trap 12. > > > > I also did an NFS install (from the system with the Plextor drive), and > > then all systems install perfectly. However, on the installed systems > > accessing large files on CD-ROM caused the same timeouts again, followed > > by a crash on the BP6. > > > > All machines functioned perfectly when installing 4.5-RELEASE, and using > > 4.5-STABLE up to a few weeks ago. > > > > I think this problem is already described in PR 37420. It also seems to > > occur with Creative CD-ROM drives. Can we do something about it, before > > 4.6 is released ? Otherwise this bug will prevent 4.6 from being > > installed on quite some hardware. > > > > Of course I can provide far more details about the hardware used, if > > needed. I can also do some additional experiments. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Hans > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu May 23 3:15:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cscoms.com (mail.cscoms.com [202.183.255.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C317D37B41D for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 03:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cscoms.com (dial-301.ras-2.bkk.c.cscoms.com [203.170.146.175]) by mail.cscoms.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id g4NAEUJ26512 for ; Thu, 23 May 2002 17:14:30 +0700 (GMT) Message-Id: <1022149131.810@cscoms.com> Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 17:18:51 0700 To: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org From: "richy" Subject: งาน Part Time สร้างรายได้ดี ใช้เทคโนโลยีทำงานแทนคุณ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG งาน Part Time ใช้เทคโนโลยีทำงานแทนคุณ ไม่กระทบต่อชีวิตประจำวันของคุณ ไม่ว่าคุณจะเป็นใคร คุณต้องการงานอย่างนี้หรือเปล่า ?? - โอกาสที่จะเป็นเจ้าของกิจการแบบง่าย ๆ - มีธุรกิจของตนเองบน Internet ( E-Commerce ) - เปิดดำเนินงานตลอด 24 ชั่วโมงต่อวัน 7วันต่อสัปดาห์ 365วันในหนึ่งปีไม่มีวันหยุด - เงินลงทุนต่ำ รายได้สูง Part Time 15,000 บาทขึ้นไปต่อเดือน / Full Time 45,000 บาทขึ้นไป - ไม่ต้องจ้างพนักงานขาย ไม่ต้องปวดหัวเรื่องขึ้นค่าแรง การนัดหยุดงาน และไม่ต้องจ่ายสวัสดิการ - ใช้เทคโนโลยีทำงานแทนคุณ ไม่กระทบต่อการดำเนินชีวิตประจำวันของคุณ เพียงแค่วันละ 2-3 ชั่วโมง - ทำงานจากที่ไหนก็ได้ แต่สามารถมีธุรกิจได้ทั่วโลก - ไม่ต้องกักตุนสินค้า ไม่เสี่ยงต่อทุนจม - มีระบบจัดส่งสินค้า ทั้งในและต่างประเทศ - ไม่ใช่การ Knock Door ขายสินค้า แต่ลูกค้าจะวิ่งเข้ามาหาคุณ ฯลฯ ถ้าคุณอยากมีกิจการของตัวเองและยังสามารถใช้เวลาส่วนใหญ่กับสิ่งที่คุณชอบ คุณทำได้แน่นอน พบเราได้ที่นี่ http://www.thaiworkathome.com/win โทร 0-2277-7850 ต่อ 57 ==คุณอาจในได้พบในสิ่งที่คุณหามานานในชีวิตการทำงาน== ขออภัยหากคุณไม่ต้องการแต่ได้รับ mail นี้ หากไม่ต้องการรับข่าวสารจากเราอีก กรุณา CLICK ไปที่ http://www.thaiworkathome.com/unsubscribe.asp กรอก email-address ของท่าน และ submit To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu May 23 19:31:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4763237B400; Thu, 23 May 2002 19:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user216.net090.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([209.26.246.216] helo=k6-2.weeble.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17B4rl-0004OM-00; Thu, 23 May 2002 19:31:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 22:32:22 -0400 From: Randy Pratt To: Brian Somers Cc: murray@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.6-RC1 and X4.2 Message-Id: <20020523223222.72d8433a.rpratt1950@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200205200120.g4K1KZDV009072@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> References: <20020519143314.5f85c87c.rpratt1950@earthlink.net> <200205200120.g4K1KZDV009072@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 20 May 2002 02:20:35 +0100 Brian Somers wrote: > Hi, > > If you've got moused enabled, you *must* specify a MouseSystems mouse > as well as using /etc/sysmouse. See sysmouse(4). Absolutely. I got caught in a PS/2 paradigm when selecting the protocol from the xf86config menu: 1. Microsoft compatible (2-button protocol) 2. Mouse Systems (3-button protocol) 3. Bus Mouse 4. PS/2 Mouse 5. Logitech Mouse (serial, old type, Logitech protocol) 6. Logitech MouseMan (Microsoft compatible) 7. MM Series 8. MM HitTablet 9. Microsoft IntelliMouse I saw the "PS/2" and went for that when "Mouse Systems" should have been chosen. This eliminated any need for hand-editing the generated XF86Config file. However, I tried the same configuration during another test install of 4.6-RC2 and sysinstall gave me the: The XFree86 configuration process seems to have failed. Would you like to try again. I answered no and completed the installation. The "failed" configuration file that was generated worked fine. So far, in all the test installations of 4.6, I've not had any of the X configuration methods to successfully complete during installation. Nothing fancy in hardware (Matrox G200 8MB card). Perhaps its just me, but i'm curious if anyone has tried a fresh install and gotten X to configure nicely during sysinstall? Thanks for the clue on the PS/2 business ! Randy > > I've installed RC1 on two systems and ran into a little problem when using a PS/2 > > mouse and configuring X. I've tried all 3 of the methods thru sysinstall > > and not had a successful configuration and had to configure X after installation > > was complete. > > > > If I use "PS/2" as the mouse protocol and "/dev/sysmouse" as the device, the > > X configuration always fails. If I edit the XF86Config file and use "Auto" > > as the mouse protocol, it will work. I've not figured out how to get the > > configuration utilities to use "Auto" so that the normal sysinstall flow will > > be followed. > > > > By not following the flow of sysinstall, there is no opportunity to select > > a default desktop as well as the side effect of the appropriate entries in > > /usr/share/skel/ not being made, particularly dot.xinitrc in this case. > > > > I'll keep looking for a solution that is appropriate for the Handbook section > > on installation for new users. I hope I'm missing something obvious here and > > someone will point it out. I'd like to find a smooth path within sysinstall > > without having to resort to post-install hand editing. > > > > Randy > > -- > Brian > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat May 25 8:29: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C5B37B407 for ; Sat, 25 May 2002 08:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user208.net195.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([64.45.224.208] helo=k6-2.weeble.com) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17BdTc-0001rT-00 for qa@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 25 May 2002 08:29:04 -0700 Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 11:29:48 -0400 From: Randy Pratt To: qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Sysinstall and configuring XFree86 Message-Id: <20020525112948.7bd9123f.rpratt1950@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG When I configure XFree86(4.2.0) using the sysinstall options, it seems to always produces an error messages that the XFree86 Configuration process seems to have failed when it tries to test the configuration. However, when I exit sysinstall and use the configuration file that was produced, it works. This leads me to think that its not a configuration issue. I'm beginning to wonder if anyone has gotten XFree86 configured successfully using sysinstall. I'd appreciate confirmation that it has been used to configure XFree86 without problems using sysinstall. My concern is that when a new user attempts to install and runs into this, they're going to give up. I'd appreciate any comments on this since I'm trying to update the handbook/install section for 4.6-RELEASE. It makes it pretty difficult to document if I can't seem to make it work. Thanks! Randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message