From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 26 4:52:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76DF37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 04:52:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (satanii.enemy.org [62.116.11.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A367E43F18 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 04:52:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (shammer@localhost [IPv6:::1]) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QCssb0024866 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:54:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: (from shammer@localhost) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0QCsr8k024865 for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:54:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:54:53 +0100 From: Josef El-Rayes To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Message-ID: <20030126125453.GA24579@satanii.enemy.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hello! i did an article about the new release in german (can be easily translated into english) for german unix magazines. unix open and freeX were interested, but it was lacking techical details - how things got implemented and so on, this is why it got refused. if anyone is interested, we could work together to make a got article and try to get it into c't or iX (most popular german computer magazines) or at least into freeX which is planning to attach the fbsd 5.0 release iso with the next issue of their magazine. greets, josef To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 26 5:32:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC42037B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 05:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE81B43F3F for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 05:32:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0QDWNd4006208 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:32:23 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: Subject: FreeBSD Advocacy To Do and Goals list... Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:32:13 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c2c53f$56e70f30$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, I saw something here on this list about the To Do List / Goals list that was previously posted here.. along with the comment of why doesn't someone do something about it? Well, I've taken the initiative to go ahead and organize this list into something that looks a bit nicer. (sorry if anyone else was working on this as well!) :) you can find the list at: http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ Please take a look at it and let me know what you all think.. :) -Stacy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 26 6:46:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C3F37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:46:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (milan.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6744043E4A for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:46:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) by milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625FDA91E; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:46:46 +0100 (CET) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A798445CF; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:46:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:46:45 +0100 From: Christian Brueffer To: Josef El-Rayes Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Message-ID: <20030126144645.GF54604@unixpages.org> References: <20030126125453.GA24579@satanii.enemy.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MPkR1dXiUZqK+927" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030126125453.GA24579@satanii.enemy.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT X-PGP-Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --MPkR1dXiUZqK+927 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 01:54:53PM +0100, Josef El-Rayes wrote: > hello! >=20 > i did an article about the new release in german (can be easily translate= d into english) for german unix magazines. >=20 > unix open and freeX were interested, but it was lacking techical details = - how things got implemented and so on, this is why it got refused. >=20 > if anyone is interested, we could work together to make a got article and= try to get it into c't or iX (most popular german computer magazines) or a= t least into freeX which is planning to attach the fbsd 5.0 release iso wit= h the next issue of their magazine. >=20 > greets, josef >=20 Hi, I'm pretty interested in that article as I'm from germany myself and would like to further spread the word there. Do you have it online somewhere so I could take a look at it? I don't know about unixopen, ix and c't, but I got to know some of the freeX people at the last Linuxtag and they're really helpful when it comes to promoting free operating systems and giving advice about articles. - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --MPkR1dXiUZqK+927 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+M/TUbHYXjKDtmC0RAtzCAKCqlF6yTryXp9fb4xNcPQ73hR7qvgCggK0f xCskeN1efJNYlYSt8R/pvLQ= =lMpl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MPkR1dXiUZqK+927-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 26 7:34:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF4837B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 07:34:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (satanii.enemy.org [62.116.11.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CED43F1E for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 07:34:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (shammer@localhost [IPv6:::1]) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QFakb0028538 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:36:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: (from shammer@localhost) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0QFajYB028537 for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:36:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:36:45 +0100 From: Josef El-Rayes To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Advocacy To Do and Goals list... Message-ID: <20030126153645.GA28013@satanii.enemy.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >you can find the list at: http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ >Please take a look at it and let me know what you all think.. :) i like your work and i volunteer to monitor for press coverage on freebsd. i will regularly check the web and german printed magazines for articles about or concerning freebsd. another thing is the bsd events calendar. i recently saw a posting about this on this mailinglist. as i see this attemp vanishing i will setup a mysql+php style database tonight. i will scan through the internet for events, but i appreciate of course your submissions of upcoming events. i think also meetings of local groups are kind of "events" and worth being mentioned. greets. josef To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 26 7:54:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9464E37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 07:54:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5750C43EB2 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 07:54:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0QFsWd4006935; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:54:33 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Josef El-Rayes'" , Subject: RE: FreeBSD Advocacy To Do and Goals list... Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 16:54:24 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c2c553$33364fb0$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20030126153645.GA28013@satanii.enemy.org> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, I'll put you down at a poc under that part of the to-do list. Please let me know when you get a site up for this, and I will add it to the Other Information/Points of Contact part of the page.. (might even be a good excuse to add a new category :). Thanks. -Stacy > > >you can find the list at: http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ > > >Please take a look at it and let me know what you all think.. :) > > i like your work and i volunteer to monitor for press > coverage on freebsd. > i will regularly check the web and german printed magazines > for articles about or concerning freebsd. > > another thing is the bsd events calendar. i recently saw a > posting about this on this mailinglist. > > as i see this attemp vanishing i will setup a mysql+php style > database tonight. > > i will scan through the internet for events, but i appreciate > of course your submissions of upcoming events. > i think also meetings of local groups are kind of "events" > and worth being mentioned. > > greets. josef > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 26 8:10:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566E437B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198FA43F1E for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:10:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0QGAad4007001; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:10:36 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Josef El-Rayes'" , Subject: RE: FreeBSD Advocacy To Do and Goals list... Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:10:26 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c2c555$715541a0$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <20030126153645.GA28013@satanii.enemy.org> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > >you can find the list at: http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ > > >Please take a look at it and let me know what you all think.. :) > > i like your work and i volunteer to monitor for press > coverage on freebsd. > i will regularly check the web and german printed magazines > for articles about or concerning freebsd. > Just got done updating the page.. Added you as a POC under the "Monitor press for coverage on FreeBSD" task and added a note about German media as well. > another thing is the bsd events calendar. i recently saw a > posting about this on this mailinglist. > > as i see this attemp vanishing i will setup a mysql+php style > database tonight. > > i will scan through the internet for events, but i appreciate > of course your submissions of upcoming events. > i think also meetings of local groups are kind of "events" > and worth being mentioned. > > greets. josef > I also added another section called Events and put down a task "Events Caledar Maintainer(s)" with you as a POC there as well. Anyone else? -Stacy > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 26 9:24:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64B137B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net (outbound02.telus.net [199.185.220.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53A343EB2 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:24:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.179] ([216.232.36.68]) by priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030126172403.ZDIC21763.priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.179]>; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:24:03 -0700 Subject: Re: FreeBSD Advocacy To Do and Goals list... From: Peter Kieser To: Stacy Olivas Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <000201c2c53f$56e70f30$0502000a@sentinel> References: <000201c2c53f$56e70f30$0502000a@sentinel> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1043601859.667.3.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 26 Jan 2003 09:24:20 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wasn't exactly what we were after, and I'm working on creating a more elaborate list by trolling the mailing list archives. On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 05:32, Stacy Olivas wrote: > Ok, > I saw something here on this list about the To Do List / Goals list that was > previously > posted here.. along with the comment of why doesn't someone do something > about it? > > Well, I've taken the initiative to go ahead and organize this list into > something that looks a bit > nicer. (sorry if anyone else was working on this as well!) :) > > you can find the list at: http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ > > Please take a look at it and let me know what you all think.. :) > > -Stacy > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ - against microsoft attachments To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 26 9:34:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00ADC37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:34:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DB943EB2 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:34:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0QHYhd4007342; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:34:44 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Peter Kieser'" Cc: Subject: RE: FreeBSD Advocacy To Do and Goals list... Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 18:34:34 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c2c561$31cc7e20$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: <1043601859.667.3.camel@sharpie> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Wasn't exactly what we were after, and I'm working on creating a more > elaborate list by trolling the mailing list archives. > Tell you what then.. Once you get all the info together, let me know.. I will put it up there on the site.. -Stacy > On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 05:32, Stacy Olivas wrote: > > Ok, > > I saw something here on this list about the To Do List / > Goals list that was > > previously > > posted here.. along with the comment of why doesn't someone > do something > > about it? > > > > Well, I've taken the initiative to go ahead and organize > this list into > > something that looks a bit > > nicer. (sorry if anyone else was working on this as well!) :) > > > > you can find the list at: http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ > > > > Please take a look at it and let me know what you all think.. :) > > > > -Stacy > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > -- > Peter Kieser > pfak@telus.net > > () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > /\ - against microsoft attachments > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 26 12:36:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D4737B401; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.laserfence.net (apollo.laserfence.net [196.44.69.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E1AA43E4A; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:36:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@phoenix.home.laserfence.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ctWB-000LKm-00; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:36:39 +0200 Received: from prometheus-p0.datel.laserfence.net ([192.168.255.1] helo=prometheus.home.laserfence.net) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ctVw-000LKf-00; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:36:25 +0200 Received: from phoenix.home.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.2]) by prometheus.home.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18ctVs-000Bwc-00; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:36:20 +0200 Received: from will by phoenix.home.laserfence.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18ctVr-0003yT-00; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:36:19 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Willie Viljoen To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Back-up DNS, mail and WWW servers for FreeBSD PR site Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:36:19 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, olivas@digiflux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200301262236.19443.will@unfoldings.net> X-Spam-Score: (/) X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *18ctVw-000LKf-00*j0xGVGnUTsI* X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020422 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Earlier today, Stacy Olivas and I decided that it would be a good thing t= o set=20 up a site to handle PR, specifically for journalists and less technical t= ype=20 users. We've sent e-mails to some relevant people in charge and are hopin= g=20 for the official blessing, but even if we don't get it, we'd set up the s= ite=20 in an unofficial capacity anyway. I'm looking for people willing to act as back-up DNS, mail exchanger and = WWW=20 servers. We will be load balancing WWW requests with a round robin DNS=20 resolver. We have already sent out private requests to contacts in Europe= ,=20 the UK and the US for servers there, and have one server in Spain and one= in =20 South Africa which will be hosting DNS, mail and WWW. At this time, we are specifically looking for one more back-up DNS in the= =20 Asia-Pacific region. Australia, New Zealand, Japan, China, South Korea,=20 anywhere in the general area with good uptimes and reasonable bandwidth w= ould=20 be wonderful. People willing to act as back-up MX (mail exchanger) servers. This is a l= ow=20 traffic job, all that is required is that your server be willing to relay= =20 mail for the domain, and forward it later when the primary MX is back up.= =20 Mail will only ever arrive if all other backup MX servers listed before y= ours=20 is down, so it's highly unlikely that this will ever be needed, but we're= =20 taking no chances. All that is required here is some hard drive space on = /var=20 to handle a few MB of mail for a few hours if the need be. People willing to host WWW space. This would require a web server with su= pport=20 for PHP4, and a MySQL database accessable from the web server. Anyone wit= h a=20 nice big pipe and a strong server is very welcome, we want to get as many= =20 servers as we can, to be as prepared as we can for the posibility of being slashdotted one day . Anybody anywh= ere=20 in the world that is willing to help would be welcomed. We'd be willing to place small rotating adds for any project, ISP or=20 organization that donates any of these resources to the project, and a st= atic=20 add on each mirror for the entity that donates the mirror (as with exim.o= rg) Anybody offering to help out with one or more of these services is most=20 welcome, the help will be greatly appreciated. Please contact me if you are interested in lending a hand. Kind Regards Will --=20 Willie Viljoen Freelance IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60 +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) will@unfoldings.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 26 12:46: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D3437B405 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:46:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from crf-consulting.co.uk (pc-80-194-99-19-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [80.194.99.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5CD43ED8 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:45:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from canyon.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crf-consulting.co.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QKOSRQ003572; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:24:28 GMT (envelope-from nik@canyon.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by canyon.nothing-going-on.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0QKOL63003571; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:24:22 GMT Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:24:21 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Stacy Olivas Cc: "'Josef El-Rayes'" , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Advocacy To Do and Goals list... Message-ID: <20030126202421.GG487@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20030126153645.GA28013@satanii.enemy.org> <000b01c2c555$715541a0$0502000a@sentinel> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rV8arf8D5Dod9UkK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000b01c2c555$715541a0$0502000a@sentinel> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --rV8arf8D5Dod9UkK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 05:10:26PM +0100, Stacy Olivas wrote: > > > > >you can find the list at: http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ > > > > >Please take a look at it and let me know what you all think.. :) > > > > i like your work and i volunteer to monitor for press > > coverage on freebsd. > > i will regularly check the web and german printed magazines > > for articles about or concerning freebsd. > > > Just got done updating the page.. Added you as a POC under the "Monitor > press for coverage on FreeBSD" task and added a note about German media as > well. For those that aren't aware of this particularly useful service, Google's News search is handy: http://news.google.com/news?hl=3Den&q=3Dfreebsd&btnG=3DSearch+News Interestingly, and apropos, one of the links is http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3D2650 N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --rV8arf8D5Dod9UkK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NEPzk6gHZCw343URAjmwAJ4t1vQHupMSAJZO50VKINeIZvnt5wCglFX9 5f/3Pwl1ifXbbmY2FOOM0gE= =PzA+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rV8arf8D5Dod9UkK-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 26 12:55:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A639E37B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (satanii.enemy.org [62.116.11.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961E143F1E for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 12:55:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (shammer@localhost [IPv6:::1]) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0QKusb0035502; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:56:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: (from shammer@localhost) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0QKupcx035501; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:56:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:56:51 +0100 From: Josef El-Rayes To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: olivas@digiflux.org, will@unfoldings.net Subject: Re: Back-up DNS, mail and WWW servers for FreeBSD PR site Message-ID: <20030126205651.GA35406@satanii.enemy.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Stacy Olivas and I decided that it would be a good thing to set > up a site to handle PR (...) > I'm looking for people willing to act as back-up DNS, mail exchanger and WWW > servers. (...) i was just wondering why this is not getting "officially" hosted by the project itself (something like publicrelations.freebsd.org) as their is already the infrastructure available. greets, josef To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 26 14:27: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8535A37B405 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:27:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.laserfence.net (apollo.laserfence.net [196.44.69.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737ED43F5F for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:27:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@phoenix.home.laserfence.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18cvEw-000LxT-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:26:58 +0200 Received: from prometheus-p0.datel.laserfence.net ([192.168.255.1] helo=prometheus.home.laserfence.net) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18cvEg-000LxL-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:26:43 +0200 Received: from phoenix.home.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.2]) by prometheus.home.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18cvEb-000CEx-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:26:37 +0200 Received: from will by phoenix.home.laserfence.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18cvEW-00041k-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:26:32 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Willie Viljoen To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:26:32 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 Cc: Peter Kieser , "Stacy Olivas" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200301270026.32035.will@unfoldings.net> X-Spam-Score: (/) X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *18cvEg-000LxL-00*0i2Cw5e8EA.* X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020422 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the excitement of setting up a project, it seems Stacy and I have mana= ged=20 to steal it inadvertantly from Peter Kieser. Our sincerest apologies to P= eter=20 for the offence, we hope that we can mend some fences and possibly join=20 forces with him. Also, some people, including Peter, have offered servers to help host a d= omain=20 for such a site, our thanks to you all. Please keep the pledges coming. The origional idea for the project is from Peter Kieser, = ,=20 please contact him with sugestions you might have for such a project. An HTML version of the mailing list's "TO DO LIST" to improve FreeBSD PR,= =20 origionally posted by Eric Anderson has been set up by Stacy Olivas=20 and is available at http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advoca= cy/ If you wish to contribute hosting of back-up DNS, back-up MX or WWW space= for=20 the planned web site, please contact me for details= =2E Once again, we apologize profusely to Peter and everybody else for our=20 overzealous grabbing of his idea, we're not only looking for technical=20 contributions, any hands we can get are welcome too, we hope that Peter w= ould=20 be willing to give us a hand, possibly as a project leader and/or an edit= or=20 for the site, I certainly don't think I'm much of a project leader, and I= 'm=20 sure Stacy would agree that we could do well focusing on technical aspect= s of=20 such a project, with someone with the right field of skills providing the= =20 leadership and co-ordination we would need to tackle this properly, and m= ost=20 certainly to avoid stepping on people's toes in future. Any technical help would also be appreciated, or even links or resources = you=20 may know of that would be handy to such a project, please let us know. It is my hope that Peter and Stacy aren't too vexed by the arogance I=20 displayed with my past few postings, especially appealing for help with=20 servers without consulting either of them, and, as Stacy writes in an ear= lier=20 e-mail, that we can work together with instead of against each other. Als= o=20 with other projects out there that might be doing the same thing. I'd fee= l=20 very silly reinventing the wheel all the time if others have already put = alot=20 of work into this. It would be better to draw upon their input than to st= art=20 from scratch and most probably affront even more people in the process. Sorry for all of the misunderstandings and unpleasantness I have caused, = if=20 you feel like it, flames may be directed to will@unfoldings.net With the hope that this will mend some fences and un-burn some bridges... Kind Regards Will --=20 Willie Viljoen Freelance IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60 +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) will@unfoldings.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 26 14:44: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C9637B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:44:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes61.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9706443F13 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:43:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.179] ([216.232.36.68]) by priv-edtnes61.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030126224358.VQUO7527.priv-edtnes61.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.179]>; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:43:58 -0700 Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR From: Peter Kieser To: Willie Viljoen Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Stacy Olivas In-Reply-To: <200301270026.32035.will@unfoldings.net> References: <200301270026.32035.will@unfoldings.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1043621051.667.12.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 26 Jan 2003 14:44:11 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I will fully work with anyone on this matter in the project, I just didn't think it was brought to your attention that I had started something, and will continue to do so. At the moment im busy trolling the FreeBSD mailing list archives looking for ideas. Something has come up in the past moments that I have to work on, but I will continue to work on this project. Maybe we should have an IRC dicsussion? You can contact me as Peter on irc.striked.org On Sun, 2003-01-26 at 14:26, Willie Viljoen wrote: > In the excitement of setting up a project, it seems Stacy and I have managed > to steal it inadvertantly from Peter Kieser. Our sincerest apologies to Peter > for the offence, we hope that we can mend some fences and possibly join > forces with him. > > Also, some people, including Peter, have offered servers to help host a domain > for such a site, our thanks to you all. Please keep the pledges coming. > > The origional idea for the project is from Peter Kieser, , > please contact him with sugestions you might have for such a project. > > An HTML version of the mailing list's "TO DO LIST" to improve FreeBSD PR, > origionally posted by Eric Anderson has been set up by Stacy Olivas > and is available at http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ > > If you wish to contribute hosting of back-up DNS, back-up MX or WWW space for > the planned web site, please contact me for details. > > Once again, we apologize profusely to Peter and everybody else for our > overzealous grabbing of his idea, we're not only looking for technical > contributions, any hands we can get are welcome too, we hope that Peter would > be willing to give us a hand, possibly as a project leader and/or an editor > for the site, I certainly don't think I'm much of a project leader, and I'm > sure Stacy would agree that we could do well focusing on technical aspects of > such a project, with someone with the right field of skills providing the > leadership and co-ordination we would need to tackle this properly, and most > certainly to avoid stepping on people's toes in future. > > Any technical help would also be appreciated, or even links or resources you > may know of that would be handy to such a project, please let us know. > > It is my hope that Peter and Stacy aren't too vexed by the arogance I > displayed with my past few postings, especially appealing for help with > servers without consulting either of them, and, as Stacy writes in an earlier > e-mail, that we can work together with instead of against each other. Also > with other projects out there that might be doing the same thing. I'd feel > very silly reinventing the wheel all the time if others have already put alot > of work into this. It would be better to draw upon their input than to start > from scratch and most probably affront even more people in the process. > > Sorry for all of the misunderstandings and unpleasantness I have caused, if > you feel like it, flames may be directed to will@unfoldings.net > > With the hope that this will mend some fences and un-burn some bridges... > > Kind Regards > Will -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ - against microsoft attachments To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jan 26 14:51:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919D037B401 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:51:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3EA43E4A for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:51:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0QMpEd4009053; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:51:16 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Willie Viljoen'" , Cc: "'Peter Kieser'" Subject: RE: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:51:04 +0100 Message-ID: <001401c2c58d$68df9920$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200301270026.32035.will@unfoldings.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In the excitement of setting up a project, it seems Stacy and > I have managed > to steal it inadvertantly from Peter Kieser. Our sincerest > apologies to Peter > for the offence, we hope that we can mend some fences and > possibly join > forces with him. Yes, it seems that we are so eager to see this come to fruition, that nobody stopped to check and see if someone else wasn't already doing this... Sorry.. :) Didn't mean to steal your thunder there Peter. :) Gomen nasai! > > Also, some people, including Peter, have offered servers to > help host a domain > for such a site, our thanks to you all. Please keep the > pledges coming. > > The origional idea for the project is from Peter Kieser, > , > please contact him with sugestions you might have for such a project. > > An HTML version of the mailing list's "TO DO LIST" to improve > FreeBSD PR, > origionally posted by Eric Anderson has been set up by Stacy Olivas > and is available at http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ Thanks to everyone who's send e-mails with comments or have volunteered to take on an item in the task list. I update this as I get info from people.. It's nothing fancy, just something that was setup as a starting point -- something to try to get the ball rolling... What prompted me to put up this page (which, looking at the logs, I've noticed a few people adding to their favorites (/favicon.ico) ;)) was something in a post saying basically saying: you talk the talk, now walk the walk, put your money where your mouth is, etc. etc.. Well, I've been using FreeBSD since the 2.2.1 release (god, how long ago was that now?)... While I don't claim to be a "master" at it, I know my way around it enough and feel like it's time to give something back.. My real job has precluded me from engaging in this in the past, but now I am in a position where I can start giving back (or at least attempt to). >If you wish to contribute hosting of back-up DNS, back-up MX or WWW space for >the planned web site, please contact me for details. > >Once again, we apologize profusely to Peter and everybody else for our >overzealous grabbing of his idea, we're not only looking for technical >contributions, any hands we can get are welcome too, we hope that Peter would >be willing to give us a hand, possibly as a project leader and/or an editor >for the site, I certainly don't think I'm much of a project leader, and I'm >sure Stacy would agree that we could do well focusing on technical aspects of >such a project, with someone with the right field of skills providing the >leadership and co-ordination we would need to tackle this properly, and most >certainly to avoid stepping on people's toes in future. > Someone on this list said that advocates shouldn't cut each other down, but build upon the strengths of each other (if I may paraphrase what was said)... This is an example where we can put this principle to work, otherwise it might well end up a flame war with nothing accomplished except people finding new ways (or reusing old) to waste bandwidth. :) >Any technical help would also be appreciated, or even links or resources you >may know of that would be handy to such a project, please let us know. > >It is my hope that Peter and Stacy aren't too vexed by the arogance I >displayed with my past few postings, especially appealing for help with >servers without consulting either of them, and, as Stacy writes in an earlier >e-mail, that we can work together with instead of against each other. Also >with other projects out there that might be doing the same thing. I'd feel >very silly reinventing the wheel all the time if others have already put alot >of work into this. It would be better to draw upon their input than to start >from scratch and most probably affront even more people in the process. > Vexed? Hell no... i'm just glad someone else out there is willing to throw their hat into the ring and help.... :) The more the merrier.. IMHO, it takes more guts to actually stick your neck out and try to get something different or new done, that it takes to sit back and moan and groan about it. We need more people like you.. >Sorry for all of the misunderstandings and unpleasantness I have caused, if >you feel like it, flames may be directed to will@unfoldings.net > Please feel free to CC olivas@digiflux.org on any flames you direct to the address above. :) >With the hope that this will mend some fences and un-burn some bridges... > Ditto. >Kind Regards >Will >-- >Willie Viljoen >Freelance IT Consultant > >214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas >Bloemfontein >9321 >South Africa > >+27 51 522 15 60 >+27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) >+27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) > >will@unfoldings.net -Stacy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 0:56: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8AA37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:56:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from gwdu60.gwdg.de (gwdu60.gwdg.de [134.76.98.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B259943ED8 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 00:56:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kheuer@gwdg.de) Received: from gwdu60.gwdg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gwdu60.gwdg.de (8.12.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0R8u5rv010710; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:56:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kheuer@gwdg.de) Received: from localhost (kheuer@localhost) by gwdu60.gwdg.de (8.12.6/8.12.4/Submit) with ESMTP id h0R8u4D4010707; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:56:04 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: gwdu60.gwdg.de: kheuer owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:56:04 +0100 (CET) From: Konrad Heuer To: Alexandr Kovalenko Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... In-Reply-To: <20030125062732.GA92204@nevermind.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <20030127094536.S1236-100000@gwdu60.gwdg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Alexandr Kovalenko wrote: > (...) > I would like to start new initiative inside FreeBSD Project to promote > FreeBSD worldwide. The aims and tasks of project will be: > > =09- make press releases on all possible languages about significant > =09 events in FreeBSD projects; > =09- pass those press releases to all local mass media, either on- or > =09 offline; > (...) The "Frankfurter Rundschau", an important daily German newspaper, hat a short article about 5.0-RELEASE on January, 24th (Friday), which is available online, too: http://www.fr-aktuell.de/ressorts/mensch_technik_umwelt/netzwerk/?cnt=3D964= 35 I sent a short note about 5.0 to them on January, 20th (Monday), but of course I don't know whether this helped to get something published by them some days later. Maybe the article would have been printed anyway .. Nevertheless, let's always try to do our best! :-) Regards K. Heuer (kheuer@gwdg.de) Dr. Konrad Heuer | _____ _____ ___ ---------------------------------------------+=09 / __\ \ / / \ / __| Gesellschaft f=FCr wissenschaftliche |=09| (_ |\ \/\/ /| |) | (_ = | Datenverarbeitung mbH G=F6ttingen (GWDG) |=09 \___| \_/\_/ |___/ \___= | -----------------+---------------------------+ Am Fa=DFberg | E-Mail: kheuer@gwdg.de | * * 37077 G=F6ttingen | Telefon: +495512011540 | * * * (Germany) | Telefax: +4955121119 | * * * * * -----------------+---------------------------+ * * * * * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 4:42:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866BB37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 04:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA9B43F13 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 04:42:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RCgWc4093929; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:42:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RCgVjp093928; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:42:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:42:31 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Konrad Heuer Cc: Alexandr Kovalenko , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Message-ID: <20030127074231.A93869@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20030125062732.GA92204@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20030127094536.S1236-100000@gwdu60.gwdg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20030127094536.S1236-100000@gwdu60.gwdg.de>; from kheuer@gwdg.de on Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 09:56:04AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks! Someone should submit this story as a PR on the "In the Press" page. There's an offer in the archives for a FreeBSD commit bit for anyone who does enough of these, and it still stands. ==ml On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 09:56:04AM +0100, Konrad Heuer wrote: > > On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Alexandr Kovalenko wrote: > > > (...) > > I would like to start new initiative inside FreeBSD Project to promote > > FreeBSD worldwide. The aims and tasks of project will be: > > > > - make press releases on all possible languages about significant > > events in FreeBSD projects; > > - pass those press releases to all local mass media, either on- or > > offline; > > (...) > > The "Frankfurter Rundschau", an important daily German newspaper, hat a > short article about 5.0-RELEASE on January, 24th (Friday), which is > available online, too: > > http://www.fr-aktuell.de/ressorts/mensch_technik_umwelt/netzwerk/?cnt=96435 > > I sent a short note about 5.0 to them on January, 20th (Monday), but of > course I don't know whether this helped to get something published by them > some days later. Maybe the article would have been printed anyway .. > > Nevertheless, let's always try to do our best! :-) > > Regards > K. Heuer (kheuer@gwdg.de) > > Dr. Konrad Heuer | _____ _____ ___ > ---------------------------------------------+ / __\ \ / / \ / __| > Gesellschaft für wissenschaftliche | | (_ |\ \/\/ /| |) | (_ | > Datenverarbeitung mbH Göttingen (GWDG) | \___| \_/\_/ |___/ \___| > -----------------+---------------------------+ > Am Faßberg | E-Mail: kheuer@gwdg.de | * * > 37077 Göttingen | Telefon: +495512011540 | * * * > (Germany) | Telefax: +4955121119 | * * * * * > -----------------+---------------------------+ * * * * * > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Absolute BSD: http://www.AbsoluteBSD.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 4:45:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F17D37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 04:45:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A3D43ED8 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 04:45:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RCjSc4093967; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:45:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RCjRaH093966; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:45:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:45:27 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Willie Viljoen Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, Peter Kieser , Stacy Olivas Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Message-ID: <20030127074527.B93869@blackhelicopters.org> References: <200301270026.32035.will@unfoldings.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200301270026.32035.will@unfoldings.net>; from will@unfoldings.net on Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 12:26:32AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I suppose, after me bitching that "nobody had done anything," we should be happy to now have an embarrassment of people willing to actually do something. :-) Glad to see you working together. ==ml On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 12:26:32AM +0200, Willie Viljoen wrote: > In the excitement of setting up a project, it seems Stacy and I have managed > to steal it inadvertantly from Peter Kieser. Our sincerest apologies to Peter > for the offence, we hope that we can mend some fences and possibly join > forces with him. > > Also, some people, including Peter, have offered servers to help host a domain > for such a site, our thanks to you all. Please keep the pledges coming. > > The origional idea for the project is from Peter Kieser, , > please contact him with sugestions you might have for such a project. > > An HTML version of the mailing list's "TO DO LIST" to improve FreeBSD PR, > origionally posted by Eric Anderson has been set up by Stacy Olivas > and is available at http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ > > If you wish to contribute hosting of back-up DNS, back-up MX or WWW space for > the planned web site, please contact me for details. > > Once again, we apologize profusely to Peter and everybody else for our > overzealous grabbing of his idea, we're not only looking for technical > contributions, any hands we can get are welcome too, we hope that Peter would > be willing to give us a hand, possibly as a project leader and/or an editor > for the site, I certainly don't think I'm much of a project leader, and I'm > sure Stacy would agree that we could do well focusing on technical aspects of > such a project, with someone with the right field of skills providing the > leadership and co-ordination we would need to tackle this properly, and most > certainly to avoid stepping on people's toes in future. > > Any technical help would also be appreciated, or even links or resources you > may know of that would be handy to such a project, please let us know. > > It is my hope that Peter and Stacy aren't too vexed by the arogance I > displayed with my past few postings, especially appealing for help with > servers without consulting either of them, and, as Stacy writes in an earlier > e-mail, that we can work together with instead of against each other. Also > with other projects out there that might be doing the same thing. I'd feel > very silly reinventing the wheel all the time if others have already put alot > of work into this. It would be better to draw upon their input than to start > from scratch and most probably affront even more people in the process. > > Sorry for all of the misunderstandings and unpleasantness I have caused, if > you feel like it, flames may be directed to will@unfoldings.net > > With the hope that this will mend some fences and un-burn some bridges... > > Kind Regards > Will > -- > Willie Viljoen > Freelance IT Consultant > > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas > Bloemfontein > 9321 > South Africa > > +27 51 522 15 60 > +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) > +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) > > will@unfoldings.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Absolute BSD: http://www.AbsoluteBSD.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 4:51: 3 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A7637B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 04:50:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.laserfence.net (apollo.laserfence.net [196.44.69.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD0943F13 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 04:50:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@phoenix.home.laserfence.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18d8iu-0000qL-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:50:49 +0200 Received: from prometheus-p0.datel.laserfence.net ([192.168.255.1] helo=prometheus.home.laserfence.net) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18d8iZ-0000q3-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:50:29 +0200 Received: from phoenix.home.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.2]) by prometheus.home.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18d8iV-000EfL-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:50:24 +0200 Received: from will by phoenix.home.laserfence.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18d8iV-0004aN-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:50:23 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Willie Viljoen To: Michael Lucas Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:50:22 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200301270026.32035.will@unfoldings.net> <20030127074527.B93869@blackhelicopters.org> In-Reply-To: <20030127074527.B93869@blackhelicopters.org> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200301271450.22968.will@unfoldings.net> X-Spam-Score: (/) X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *18d8iZ-0000q3-00*FGxThr56Vv.* X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020422 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Michael, the embarssment was (luckily) limited to me and my overzealous e= ffort=20 :) I'm happy to say that quite a few people have volunteered help so far in=20 response to my post yesterday, unfortunately alot of work has managed to = fall=20 into my lap today, so the launch date that Stacy and I had in mind (this=20 coming Saturday) might be a bit ambitious, we'll see :) Will On Monday 27 January 2003 14:45, you wrote: > I suppose, after me bitching that "nobody had done anything," we > should be happy to now have an embarrassment of people willing to > actually do something. :-) Glad to see you working together. > > =3D=3Dml > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 12:26:32AM +0200, Willie Viljoen wrote: > > In the excitement of setting up a project, it seems Stacy and I have > > managed to steal it inadvertantly from Peter Kieser. Our sincerest > > apologies to Peter for the offence, we hope that we can mend some fen= ces > > and possibly join forces with him. > > > > Also, some people, including Peter, have offered servers to help host= a > > domain for such a site, our thanks to you all. Please keep the pledge= s > > coming. > > > > The origional idea for the project is from Peter Kieser, > > , please contact him with sugestions you might have f= or > > such a project. > > > > An HTML version of the mailing list's "TO DO LIST" to improve FreeBSD= PR, > > origionally posted by Eric Anderson has been set up by Stacy Olivas > > and is available at > > http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ > > > > If you wish to contribute hosting of back-up DNS, back-up MX or WWW s= pace > > for the planned web site, please contact me for > > details. > > > > Once again, we apologize profusely to Peter and everybody else for ou= r > > overzealous grabbing of his idea, we're not only looking for technica= l > > contributions, any hands we can get are welcome too, we hope that Pet= er > > would be willing to give us a hand, possibly as a project leader and/= or > > an editor for the site, I certainly don't think I'm much of a project > > leader, and I'm sure Stacy would agree that we could do well focusing= on > > technical aspects of such a project, with someone with the right fiel= d of > > skills providing the leadership and co-ordination we would need to ta= ckle > > this properly, and most certainly to avoid stepping on people's toes = in > > future. > > > > Any technical help would also be appreciated, or even links or resour= ces > > you may know of that would be handy to such a project, please let us > > know. > > > > It is my hope that Peter and Stacy aren't too vexed by the arogance I > > displayed with my past few postings, especially appealing for help wi= th > > servers without consulting either of them, and, as Stacy writes in an > > earlier e-mail, that we can work together with instead of against eac= h > > other. Also with other projects out there that might be doing the sam= e > > thing. I'd feel very silly reinventing the wheel all the time if othe= rs > > have already put alot of work into this. It would be better to draw u= pon > > their input than to start from scratch and most probably affront even > > more people in the process. > > > > Sorry for all of the misunderstandings and unpleasantness I have caus= ed, > > if you feel like it, flames may be directed to will@unfoldings.net > > > > With the hope that this will mend some fences and un-burn some bridge= s... > > > > Kind Regards > > Will > > -- > > Willie Viljoen > > Freelance IT Consultant > > > > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas > > Bloemfontein > > 9321 > > South Africa > > > > +27 51 522 15 60 > > +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) > > +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) > > > > will@unfoldings.net > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message --=20 Willie Viljoen Freelance IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60 +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) will@unfoldings.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 4:52:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D7737B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 04:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AE843F13 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 04:52:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RCqcc4094018; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:52:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RCqNHf094017; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:52:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 07:52:22 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Josef El-Rayes Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, olivas@digiflux.org, will@unfoldings.net Subject: Re: Back-up DNS, mail and WWW servers for FreeBSD PR site Message-ID: <20030127075222.C93869@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20030126205651.GA35406@satanii.enemy.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20030126205651.GA35406@satanii.enemy.org>; from j.el-rayes@daemon.li on Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 09:56:51PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, This sort of thing has been tried before, and has always fizzled out because people give up. See: http://www.freebsd.org/advocacy/ We give someone a commit bit to work on advocacy. They take the free commit bit, but never contribute. This has been repeated until we're sick of it. Now, we do it the other way. Actually build something useful, and we'll suck you right in and call you "official". Submit PRs to update the advocacy page, and we'll suck you right in. Submit PRs to update the news page, and we'll suck you right in. Heck, I will mentor anyone who actually produces PRs in ample number *and quality* to rate it. Flooding us with junk PRs doesn't count, believe me, it's been tried. :-) The T&C's on this offer are available at: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=34139+0+archive/2002/freebsd-advocacy/20020915.freebsd-advocacy While I specifically mention "In the Press," I'm willing to mentor anyone who works on advocacy in general and produces actual work in a manner that it can be integrated with http://www.FreeBSD.org. ==ml On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 09:56:51PM +0100, Josef El-Rayes wrote: > > Stacy Olivas and I decided that it would be a good thing to set > > up a site to handle PR > (...) > > I'm looking for people willing to act as back-up DNS, mail exchanger and WWW > > servers. > (...) > > i was just wondering why this is not getting "officially" hosted by the project itself (something like publicrelations.freebsd.org) as their is already the infrastructure available. > > greets, josef > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Absolute BSD: http://www.AbsoluteBSD.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 4:59:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8045737B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 04:59:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.laserfence.net (apollo.laserfence.net [196.44.69.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0350F43E4A for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 04:59:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@unfoldings.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18d8rM-0000u6-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:59:32 +0200 Received: from prometheus-p0.datel.laserfence.net ([192.168.255.1] helo=prometheus.home.laserfence.net) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18d8r5-0000tx-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:59:17 +0200 Received: from phoenix.home.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.2]) by prometheus.home.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18d8r2-000Eh2-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:59:12 +0200 Received: from will by phoenix.home.laserfence.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18d8qz-0004c3-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:59:09 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Willie Viljoen To: Michael Lucas Subject: Re: Back-up DNS, mail and WWW servers for FreeBSD PR site Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:59:09 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20030126205651.GA35406@satanii.enemy.org> <20030127075222.C93869@blackhelicopters.org> In-Reply-To: <20030127075222.C93869@blackhelicopters.org> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200301271459.09761.will@unfoldings.net> X-Spam-Score: (/) X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *18d8r5-0000tx-00*a.N29ZtVefY* X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020422 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Let's give it a try and see what happens :) On Monday 27 January 2003 14:52, Michael Lucas wrote: > Hi, > > This sort of thing has been tried before, and has always fizzled out > because people give up. See: > > http://www.freebsd.org/advocacy/ > > We give someone a commit bit to work on advocacy. They take the free > commit bit, but never contribute. This has been repeated until we're > sick of it. Now, we do it the other way. > > Actually build something useful, and we'll suck you right in and call > you "official". > > Submit PRs to update the advocacy page, and we'll suck you right in. > > Submit PRs to update the news page, and we'll suck you right in. > > Heck, I will mentor anyone who actually produces PRs in ample number > *and quality* to rate it. Flooding us with junk PRs doesn't count, > believe me, it's been tried. :-) The T&C's on this offer are > available at: > > http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=3D34139+0+archive/2002/fre= ebsd-a >dvocacy/20020915.freebsd-advocacy > > While I specifically mention "In the Press," I'm willing to mentor > anyone who works on advocacy in general and produces actual work in a > manner that it can be integrated with http://www.FreeBSD.org. > > =3D=3Dml > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 09:56:51PM +0100, Josef El-Rayes wrote: > > > Stacy Olivas and I decided that it would be a good thing to set > > > up a site to handle PR > > > > (...) > > > > > I'm looking for people willing to act as back-up DNS, mail exchange= r > > > and WWW servers. > > > > (...) > > > > i was just wondering why this is not getting "officially" hosted by t= he > > project itself (something like publicrelations.freebsd.org) as their = is > > already the infrastructure available. > > > > greets, josef > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message --=20 Willie Viljoen Freelance IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60 +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) will@unfoldings.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 5: 0:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7B937B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:00:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E252B43ED8 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:00:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RD0Hc4094076; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:00:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RD0HWp094075; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:00:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:00:17 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Willie Viljoen Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Message-ID: <20030127080017.D93869@blackhelicopters.org> References: <200301270026.32035.will@unfoldings.net> <20030127074527.B93869@blackhelicopters.org> <200301271450.22968.will@unfoldings.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200301271450.22968.will@unfoldings.net>; from will@unfoldings.net on Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 02:50:22PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Don't worry about a launch date. Get something up, and improve it. As I tell people who ask me how to write: "Write well. If you can't write well, write badly and then rewrite until it sucks less." Substitute "write" with "advocate." Actually, advocate isn't appropriate in the context, but it'll do until I come up with something better, hence proving my point. This method of working is surprisingly effective. None of us are good at this, but it can be done, and we can get better at it. Everyone on this list would rather see advocates keep at it, rather than do it all at once and get burned out in a week. If one hour a week is what you have, then do that, rather than spending your next ten weeks worth of time in one glorious spasm and dying off. ==ml On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 02:50:22PM +0200, Willie Viljoen wrote: > Michael, the embarssment was (luckily) limited to me and my overzealous effort > :) > > I'm happy to say that quite a few people have volunteered help so far in > response to my post yesterday, unfortunately alot of work has managed to fall > into my lap today, so the launch date that Stacy and I had in mind (this > coming Saturday) might be a bit ambitious, we'll see :) > > Will > > On Monday 27 January 2003 14:45, you wrote: > > I suppose, after me bitching that "nobody had done anything," we > > should be happy to now have an embarrassment of people willing to > > actually do something. :-) Glad to see you working together. > > > > ==ml > > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 12:26:32AM +0200, Willie Viljoen wrote: > > > In the excitement of setting up a project, it seems Stacy and I have > > > managed to steal it inadvertantly from Peter Kieser. Our sincerest > > > apologies to Peter for the offence, we hope that we can mend some fences > > > and possibly join forces with him. > > > > > > Also, some people, including Peter, have offered servers to help host a > > > domain for such a site, our thanks to you all. Please keep the pledges > > > coming. > > > > > > The origional idea for the project is from Peter Kieser, > > > , please contact him with sugestions you might have for > > > such a project. > > > > > > An HTML version of the mailing list's "TO DO LIST" to improve FreeBSD PR, > > > origionally posted by Eric Anderson has been set up by Stacy Olivas > > > and is available at > > > http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ > > > > > > If you wish to contribute hosting of back-up DNS, back-up MX or WWW space > > > for the planned web site, please contact me for > > > details. > > > > > > Once again, we apologize profusely to Peter and everybody else for our > > > overzealous grabbing of his idea, we're not only looking for technical > > > contributions, any hands we can get are welcome too, we hope that Peter > > > would be willing to give us a hand, possibly as a project leader and/or > > > an editor for the site, I certainly don't think I'm much of a project > > > leader, and I'm sure Stacy would agree that we could do well focusing on > > > technical aspects of such a project, with someone with the right field of > > > skills providing the leadership and co-ordination we would need to tackle > > > this properly, and most certainly to avoid stepping on people's toes in > > > future. > > > > > > Any technical help would also be appreciated, or even links or resources > > > you may know of that would be handy to such a project, please let us > > > know. > > > > > > It is my hope that Peter and Stacy aren't too vexed by the arogance I > > > displayed with my past few postings, especially appealing for help with > > > servers without consulting either of them, and, as Stacy writes in an > > > earlier e-mail, that we can work together with instead of against each > > > other. Also with other projects out there that might be doing the same > > > thing. I'd feel very silly reinventing the wheel all the time if others > > > have already put alot of work into this. It would be better to draw upon > > > their input than to start from scratch and most probably affront even > > > more people in the process. > > > > > > Sorry for all of the misunderstandings and unpleasantness I have caused, > > > if you feel like it, flames may be directed to will@unfoldings.net > > > > > > With the hope that this will mend some fences and un-burn some bridges... > > > > > > Kind Regards > > > Will > > > -- > > > Willie Viljoen > > > Freelance IT Consultant > > > > > > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas > > > Bloemfontein > > > 9321 > > > South Africa > > > > > > +27 51 522 15 60 > > > +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) > > > +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) > > > > > > will@unfoldings.net > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > -- > Willie Viljoen > Freelance IT Consultant > > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas > Bloemfontein > 9321 > South Africa > > +27 51 522 15 60 > +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) > +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) > > will@unfoldings.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Absolute BSD: http://www.AbsoluteBSD.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 5: 0:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A83037B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (mailbox.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E4A43EB2 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:00:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from l.ertl@univie.ac.at) Received: from pcle2.cc.univie.ac.at (pcle2.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.2.177]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h0RD0GBd090198; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:00:21 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:00:16 +0100 (CET) From: Lukas Ertl To: Michael Lucas Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... In-Reply-To: <20030127074231.A93869@blackhelicopters.org> Message-ID: <20030127134824.C215@pcle2.cc.univie.ac.at> References: <20030125062732.GA92204@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20030127094536.S1236-100000@gwdu60.gwdg.de> <20030127074231.A93869@blackhelicopters.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-DCC-ZID-Univie-mailbox-Metrics: mailbox 4251; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Michael Lucas wrote: > There's an offer in the archives for a FreeBSD commit bit for anyone > who does enough of these, and it still stands. FWIW: The "Standard" is a daily newspaper in Austria, and there's a lot of them online. Their web channel even featured every 5.0-RC or -DP, and I've heard that one of the editors there is a big BSD fan. (But I don't think the article was in the print edition.) The "futurezone" is the tech channel of the Austrian Broadcasting Company's web presence. I think a lot people know the german computer magazine "c't". This is on the newsticker of the publishing company and I'd be really surprised if they won't mention 5.0-RELEASE in one of their coming up editions. German Linux News Page. regards, le --=20 Lukas Ertl eMail: l.ertl@univie.ac.at UNIX-Systemadministrator Tel.: (+43 1) 4277-14073 Zentraler Informatikdienst (ZID) Fax.: (+43 1) 4277-9140 der Universit=E4t Wien http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~le/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 5:32:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F9137B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.laserfence.net (apollo.laserfence.net [196.44.69.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E6B43E4A for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 05:32:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@unfoldings.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18d9NR-00016q-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:32:41 +0200 Received: from prometheus-p0.datel.laserfence.net ([192.168.255.1] helo=prometheus.home.laserfence.net) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18d9N9-00016i-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:32:25 +0200 Received: from phoenix.home.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.2]) by prometheus.home.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18d9N5-000Emt-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:32:19 +0200 Received: from will by phoenix.home.laserfence.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18d9N4-0004df-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:32:18 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Willie Viljoen To: Eric Anderson Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:32:18 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200301270026.32035.will@unfoldings.net> <3E3533B9.7010603@centtech.com> In-Reply-To: <3E3533B9.7010603@centtech.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200301271532.18792.will@unfoldings.net> X-Spam-Score: (/) X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *18d9N9-00016i-00*8mAIUn2NcTE* X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020422 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday 27 January 2003 15:27, you wrote: > Willie Viljoen wrote: > > In the excitement of setting up a project, it seems Stacy and I have > > managed to steal it inadvertantly from Peter Kieser. Our sincerest > > apologies to Peter for the offence, we hope that we can mend some fen= ces > > and possibly join forces with him. > > [..chomp..] > > Wow.. One second I'm begging people to help with bsdevents.org, and the > next people are taking hostages to work on projects.. I wish all > projects went like this. > > So, is this only for general advocacy, for "to do" items, events, etc? > Which one? All of them? Should I NOT register bsdevents.org? (sheesh, > whic IS IT?! :)) Register :) I'm planning to get freebsdnews.org later today once some people return s= ome=20 e-mails, but it will be specifically for links to news articles and relea= se=20 announcements and such things, no reason we can't link the two sites thou= gh,=20 create a sort of BSD web ring like OSDN have done with=20 slashdot/freshmeat/sourceforge etc :) > > I can also offer www/dns/etc for the project if anyone still needs it. That would be great, I think we've got DNS and mail mostly sorted, but so= me=20 more WWW mirrors are always appreciated, I'll let you knowf > > Eric --=20 Willie Viljoen Freelance IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60 +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) will@unfoldings.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 6:21:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492C937B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp013.mail.yahoo.com (smtp013.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3723B43ED8 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:21:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaeru@pd.jaring.my) Received: from unknown (HELO ?219.94.101.83?) (khairil?yusof@219.94.101.83 with plain) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2003 14:21:31 -0000 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... From: Khairil Yusof Reply-To: kaeru@pd.jaring.my To: Michael Lucas Cc: Konrad Heuer , Alexandr Kovalenko , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20030127074231.A93869@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20030125062732.GA92204@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20030127094536.S1236-100000@gwdu60.gwdg.de> <20030127074231.A93869@blackhelicopters.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-+8t/iKVomV2dfFn67cjA" Organization: Message-Id: <1043677253.13591.151.camel@daemon.home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.1 Date: 27 Jan 2003 22:20:54 +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --=-+8t/iKVomV2dfFn67cjA Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 20:42, Michael Lucas wrote: > There's an offer in the archives for a FreeBSD commit bit for anyone > who does enough of these, and it still stands. Is the send-pr program subject to being blocked if it is sent from a non-valid hostname (eg. my home pc)? Cost I just tried sending a press release I found on internet.com and it's not showing up in the bug database. --=20 Open source programmer for hire, \\|// (0 0) +---oOO----(_)---------+ | | | Will code for free | | | +----------------oOO---+ |__|__| || || ooO Ooo --=-+8t/iKVomV2dfFn67cjA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA+NUBFDAqnLW/+/X8RAnDsAJ944k5oq1bzzYtztkFHo25XOH4eHQCcCCss 2ARkPB2E3T3Ia4LyRpMqFYM= =uSB4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-+8t/iKVomV2dfFn67cjA-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 6:22:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DAC37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:22:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D522143F13 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 06:22:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0REMuc4095039; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:22:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0REMuo6095038; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:22:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:22:56 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Khairil Yusof Cc: Konrad Heuer , Alexandr Kovalenko , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Message-ID: <20030127092256.A95022@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20030125062732.GA92204@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20030127094536.S1236-100000@gwdu60.gwdg.de> <20030127074231.A93869@blackhelicopters.org> <1043677253.13591.151.camel@daemon.home.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1043677253.13591.151.camel@daemon.home.net>; from kaeru@pd.jaring.my on Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:20:54PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It might be. You may have to configure your workstation's sendmail(8) to relay through your ISP's mail exchanger. On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:20:54PM +0800, Khairil Yusof wrote: > On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 20:42, Michael Lucas wrote: > > > There's an offer in the archives for a FreeBSD commit bit for anyone > > who does enough of these, and it still stands. > > Is the send-pr program subject to being blocked if it is sent from a > non-valid hostname (eg. my home pc)? > > Cost I just tried sending a press release I found on internet.com and > it's not showing up in the bug database. > > > -- > Open source programmer for hire, > > \\|// > (0 0) > +---oOO----(_)---------+ > | | > | Will code for free | > | | > +----------------oOO---+ > |__|__| > || || > ooO Ooo -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Absolute BSD: http://www.AbsoluteBSD.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 8: 9:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8E437B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:09:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB02C43EB2 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:09:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0RG9jd4014304; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:09:45 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Michael Lucas'" , "'Willie Viljoen'" Cc: , "'Peter Kieser'" Subject: RE: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:09:35 +0100 Message-ID: <001301c2c61e$7c7c13a0$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030127074527.B93869@blackhelicopters.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I suppose, after me bitching that "nobody had done anything," we > should be happy to now have an embarrassment of people willing to > actually do something. :-) Glad to see you working together. Yeah, we're trying.. :) E-mail is a great tool for bridging the gap between distances. :) > > ==ml > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 12:26:32AM +0200, Willie Viljoen wrote: > > In the excitement of setting up a project, it seems Stacy > and I have managed > > to steal it inadvertantly from Peter Kieser. Our sincerest > apologies to Peter > > for the offence, we hope that we can mend some fences and > possibly join > > forces with him. > > > > Also, some people, including Peter, have offered servers to > help host a domain > > for such a site, our thanks to you all. Please keep the > pledges coming. > > > > The origional idea for the project is from Peter Kieser, > , > > please contact him with sugestions you might have for such > a project. > > > > An HTML version of the mailing list's "TO DO LIST" to > improve FreeBSD PR, > > origionally posted by Eric Anderson has been set up by Stacy Olivas > > and is available at http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ > > If you wish to contribute hosting of back-up DNS, back-up MX or WWW space for > the planned web site, please contact me for details. > > Once again, we apologize profusely to Peter and everybody else for our > overzealous grabbing of his idea, we're not only looking for technical > contributions, any hands we can get are welcome too, we hope that Peter would > be willing to give us a hand, possibly as a project leader and/or an editor > for the site, I certainly don't think I'm much of a project leader, and I'm > sure Stacy would agree that we could do well focusing on technical aspects of > such a project, with someone with the right field of skills providing the > leadership and co-ordination we would need to tackle this properly, and most > certainly to avoid stepping on people's toes in future. > > Any technical help would also be appreciated, or even links or resources you > may know of that would be handy to such a project, please let us know. > > It is my hope that Peter and Stacy aren't too vexed by the arogance I > displayed with my past few postings, especially appealing for help with > servers without consulting either of them, and, as Stacy writes in an earlier > e-mail, that we can work together with instead of against each other. Also > with other projects out there that might be doing the same thing. I'd feel > very silly reinventing the wheel all the time if others have already put alot > of work into this. It would be better to draw upon their input than to start > from scratch and most probably affront even more people in the process. > > Sorry for all of the misunderstandings and unpleasantness I have caused, if > you feel like it, flames may be directed to will@unfoldings.net > > With the hope that this will mend some fences and un-burn some bridges... > > Kind Regards > Will > -- > Willie Viljoen > Freelance IT Consultant > > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas > Bloemfontein > 9321 > South Africa > > +27 51 522 15 60 > +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) > +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) > > will@unfoldings.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Absolute BSD: http://www.AbsoluteBSD.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 8:15:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95EA37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:15:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E4143E4A for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:15:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0RGF7d4014330; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:15:07 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Willie Viljoen'" , "'Eric Anderson'" Cc: Subject: RE: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:14:57 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c2c61f$3c9f3db0$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200301271532.18792.will@unfoldings.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > On Monday 27 January 2003 15:27, you wrote: > > Willie Viljoen wrote: > > > In the excitement of setting up a project, it seems Stacy > and I have > > > managed to steal it inadvertantly from Peter Kieser. Our sincerest > > > apologies to Peter for the offence, we hope that we can > mend some fences > > > and possibly join forces with him. > > > > [..chomp..] > > > > Wow.. One second I'm begging people to help with > bsdevents.org, and the > > next people are taking hostages to work on projects.. I wish all > > projects went like this. > > > > So, is this only for general advocacy, for "to do" items, > events, etc? > > Which one? All of them? Should I NOT register > bsdevents.org? (sheesh, > > whic IS IT?! :)) > > Register :) > > I'm planning to get freebsdnews.org later today once some > people return some > e-mails, but it will be specifically for links to news > articles and release > announcements and such things, no reason we can't link the > two sites though, > create a sort of BSD web ring like OSDN have done with > slashdot/freshmeat/sourceforge etc :) > > > > > I can also offer www/dns/etc for the project if anyone > still needs it. > > That would be great, I think we've got DNS and mail mostly > sorted, but some > more WWW mirrors are always appreciated, I'll let you knowf > Yes, please register... The more the merrier.. .. :) And the mirrors for the WWW are what is needed.. I'm working on a friend back in the states to help out and setup a WWW mirror, but so far no word yet. :) -Stacy > > > > Eric > > -- > Willie Viljoen > Freelance IT Consultant > > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas > Bloemfontein > 9321 > South Africa > > +27 51 522 15 60 > +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) > +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) > > will@unfoldings.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 8:51:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBFA537B405 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:51:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (satanii.enemy.org [62.116.11.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B957C43ED8 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:51:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (shammer@localhost [IPv6:::1]) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RGrEb0062447; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:53:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: (from shammer@localhost) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RGr9Qb062446; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:53:09 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:53:08 +0100 From: Josef El-Rayes To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org, olivas@digiflux.org, chris@unixpages.org Subject: RE: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Message-ID: <20030127165308.GA62118@satanii.enemy.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi! i started php coding for a (free)bsd eventssite yesterday, but i fear it will take me until the end of the next week before i can show you the first version because its semester's end at university and i have some exams to pass. my idea is to have a frontpage like freshmeat or slashdot for an overview of big events, like bsdcon and a tablestyle overview which is sortable by country, date and name for all entries including a detail page for every event telling you about location, entry fee, website and overview and details like that. i am not sure if there's a need for a forum - i am also thinking about a mailinglist which automatically posts additions to the database. tell me what you think about my ideas. today i had a look at the new issues of c't and iX (biggest german computer tech magazines) and there is _no_ mentioning of freebsd 5 at all. shall i send them our press release by fax? does anyone have relations to heise( publisher of these magazines)? i found it funny that they had new mysql version as their headliner but no word about freebsd. another thing that i am wondering about is how do i get material for a freebsd booth. there is an opensource event in every major city in austria between mai and june called linuxweeks (www.linuxwochen.at) i had a talk with one of the "managers" and they would also like to see a freebsd booth. i think it would be nice to sell some of the freebsd 5.x isos, shirts and have some material/handouts for the visitors. greets, josef To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 9: 4: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16EE37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:04:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from web14907.mail.yahoo.com (web14907.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.225.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 72A5243FDD for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:04:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from samdavidpikesley@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20030127170403.68971.qmail@web14907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.202.214.45] by web14907.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:04:03 GMT Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:04:03 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Sam=20Pikesley?= Subject: RE: Project to improve FreeBSD PR To: Josef El-Rayes , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org, olivas@digiflux.org, chris@unixpages.org In-Reply-To: <20030127165308.GA62118@satanii.enemy.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you want a slashdot-style frontpage, why not use /usr/ports/www/slash? Very easy to install on FreeBSD (extremely painful on Linux ;), it Just Works (tm). Just my two pence Sam ;) --- Josef El-Rayes wrote: > hi! > > i started php coding for a (free)bsd eventssite > yesterday, but i fear it will take me until the end > of the next week before i can show you the first > version because its semester's end at university and > i have some exams to pass. > > my idea is to have a frontpage like freshmeat or > slashdot for an overview of big events, like bsdcon > and a tablestyle overview which is sortable by > country, date and name for all entries including a > detail page for every event telling you about > location, entry fee, website and overview and > details like that. > > i am not sure if there's a need for a forum - i am > also thinking about a mailinglist which > automatically posts additions to the database. > > tell me what you think about my ideas. > > today i had a look at the new issues of c't and iX > (biggest german computer tech magazines) and there > is _no_ mentioning of freebsd 5 at all. > > shall i send them our press release by fax? > > does anyone have relations to heise( publisher of > these magazines)? > i found it funny that they had new mysql version as > their headliner but no word about freebsd. > > > another thing that i am wondering about is how do i > get material for a freebsd booth. there is an > opensource event in every major city in austria > between mai and june called linuxweeks > (www.linuxwochen.at) i had a talk with one of the > "managers" and they would also like to see a freebsd > booth. i think it would be nice to sell some of the > freebsd 5.x isos, shirts and have some > material/handouts for the visitors. > > greets, josef > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of > the message ===== The Romans didn't build a great empire by organising meetings. They did it by killing anyone that got in their way. -- K. Bates __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 9:30:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1613837B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A1043F18 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:30:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RHU2NS029023 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:30:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RHU2Q7029022; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9A937B4AB for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:20:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF98E43F43 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:20:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from digiflux.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0RHK4d4015102; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:20:14 +0100 (CET) Received: (from root@localhost) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.3/Submit) id h0RHK3gP015101; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:20:03 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200301271720.h0RHK3gP015101@digiflux.org> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:20:03 +0100 (CET) From: Stacy Olivas Reply-To: Stacy Olivas To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: Willie Viljoen , Peter Kieser , Josef El-Rayes X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: advocacy/47559: New FreeBSD PR campaign has been started... multiple projects underway. Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Number: 47559 >Category: advocacy >Synopsis: New FreeBSD PR campaign has been started... multiple projects underway. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jan 27 09:30:02 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Stacy Olivas >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD digiflux.org 4.7-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #7: Thu Dec 26 17:18:28 CET 2002 olivas@digiflux.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/Digiflux i386 >Description: 26 Jan 2003: Today several members of the FreeBSD community decided to "quit talking the talk, and start walking the walk" when it comes to FreeBSD Press/Advocacy. These enterprising individuals have started to lay the groundwork for what is (hopefully) destined to become the biggest PR push FreeBSD has seen since the departure of Jordan Hubbard from it's core team. Here's a quick run-down of events: ---------------------------------- Peter Kieser has been "trolling" the mailing list archives for tidbits of information to be included in a comprehensive Advocacy To Do / Goals list. In addition, he is preparing to launch a web site dedicated to *BSD events called bsdevents.org. Stacy Olivas took the advice of Michael Lucas and searched the -advocacy mail list archives for the To Do list that was posted by Eric Andersen . He made it into an HTML document that currently lives at: http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/. Josef El-Rayes , after seeing the newly posted To Do list, has volunteered his time to monitor the media for news and stories concerning FreeBSD (including those released in Germany). He also volunteered to help maintain an events calendat for FreeBSD. Willie Viljoen also threw his hat into the ring. Volunteering to take on the first two items in the To Do list, he has been utilizing his contacts to help setup a FreeBSD News website called freebsdnew.org. Stacy Olivas has joined him in the effort to setup this new website. --- Now is the time to give something back. In order for this new PR campaign to be successful we need volunteers. Q: What can I volunteer to do? It looks like you have all the bases covered. A: Take a look at the list on http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ there are still quite a few items that have not yet been claimed. Or, if you don't want to commit to a single item, just send a message to the -advocacy list and ask what you can do. Q: I really want to help out, but I just don't have the time. Don't you need people who have LOTS of free time on their hands to do this sort of thing? A: No. Even if you have 1 or 2 hours a week to surf the web and submit a link, it will help. Q: Hey! I'm Anti-Microsoft, Anti-Linux, Anti-.... I want to help! Lets beat those zelots into a pulp! A: We appreciate your enthusiasm, but people/company bashing isn't something that we are looking to do. Q: Who cares.. A: We do.. >How-To-Repeat: . >Fix: Check out http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/ and volunteer! >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 9:30:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7472E37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at (mailbox.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A34443F13 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:30:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from l.ertl@univie.ac.at) Received: from adslle.cc.univie.ac.at (adslle.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.102.11]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h0RHU7Av300186; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:30:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:30:07 +0100 (CET) From: Lukas Ertl To: Josef El-Rayes Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Project to improve FreeBSD PR In-Reply-To: <20030127165308.GA62118@satanii.enemy.org> Message-ID: <20030127182751.G379@leelou.in.tern> References: <20030127165308.GA62118@satanii.enemy.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-DCC-ZID-Univie-Metrics: unet 4261; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Josef El-Rayes wrote: > today i had a look at the new issues of c't and iX (biggest german > computer tech magazines) and there is _no_ mentioning of freebsd 5 at > all. That's not correct. c't _did_ mention FreeBSD 5.0 in their newest issue (which came out today), but it was only a very small article. > found it funny that they had new mysql version as their headliner but no > word about freebsd. Probably because 5.0 wasn't released when this issue of iX came out. regards, le --=20 Lukas Ertl eMail: l.ertl@univie.ac.at UNIX-Systemadministrator Tel.: (+43 1) 4277-14073 Zentraler Informatikdienst (ZID) Fax.: (+43 1) 4277-9140 der Universit=E4t Wien http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/~le/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 9:31:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0B237B405 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (anthonychavez.org [166.70.15.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F99743ED8 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:31:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acc@anthonychavez.org) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (acc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RHVCvw062267; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:31:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from acc@athena.anthonychavez.org) Received: (from acc@localhost) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RHVChg062266; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:31:12 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:31:12 -0700 From: "Anthony C. Chavez" To: Willie Viljoen Cc: Eric Anderson , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Message-ID: <20030127173112.GC60735@anthonychavez.org> Mail-Followup-To: Willie Viljoen , Eric Anderson , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200301270026.32035.will@unfoldings.net> <3E3533B9.7010603@centtech.com> <200301271532.18792.will@unfoldings.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aT9PWwzfKXlsBJM1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200301271532.18792.will@unfoldings.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.anthonychavez.org/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --aT9PWwzfKXlsBJM1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm going to stick my neck out here and (again) recommend that you consider using the advcoacy page at Daemon News: http://advocacy.daemonnews.org/ DN's goal is to represent not just FreeBSD, but the BSDs in general. The site is dead at the moment, but IMO, it would be an ~excellent~ choice to house this project. We (rather, I) had actually planned to put something together within the next few months, anyway. What does everyone think? --=20 Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 03:32:18PM +0200, Willie Viljoen wrote: > On Monday 27 January 2003 15:27, you wrote: > > Willie Viljoen wrote: > > > In the excitement of setting up a project, it seems Stacy and I have > > > managed to steal it inadvertantly from Peter Kieser. Our sincerest > > > apologies to Peter for the offence, we hope that we can mend some fen= ces > > > and possibly join forces with him. > > > > [..chomp..] > > > > Wow.. One second I'm begging people to help with bsdevents.org, and the > > next people are taking hostages to work on projects.. I wish all > > projects went like this. > > > > So, is this only for general advocacy, for "to do" items, events, etc? > > Which one? All of them? Should I NOT register bsdevents.org? (sheesh, > > whic IS IT?! :)) >=20 > Register :) >=20 > I'm planning to get freebsdnews.org later today once some people return s= ome=20 > e-mails, but it will be specifically for links to news articles and relea= se=20 > announcements and such things, no reason we can't link the two sites thou= gh,=20 > create a sort of BSD web ring like OSDN have done with=20 > slashdot/freshmeat/sourceforge etc :) >=20 > > > > I can also offer www/dns/etc for the project if anyone still needs it. >=20 > That would be great, I think we've got DNS and mail mostly sorted, but so= me=20 > more WWW mirrors are always appreciated, I'll let you knowf >=20 > > > > Eric >=20 > --=20 > Willie Viljoen > Freelance IT Consultant >=20 > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas > Bloemfontein > 9321 > South Africa >=20 > +27 51 522 15 60 > +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) > +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) >=20 > will@unfoldings.net >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message >=20 --aT9PWwzfKXlsBJM1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NWzfbZTbIaRBRXERAhF8AJ9idlgD4CTfA8oJmz2kDG79evqwnwCfdfX4 vWHMKn3WsIOxLvs9OTtwEVk= =hUHO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aT9PWwzfKXlsBJM1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 9:50:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4841A37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:50:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (satanii.enemy.org [62.116.11.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805BA43F3F for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:50:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (shammer@localhost [IPv6:::1]) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RHqib0063979 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:52:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: (from shammer@localhost) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RHqhxF063978 for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:52:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:52:43 +0100 From: Josef El-Rayes To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Message-ID: <20030127175243.GA63720@satanii.enemy.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sam Pikesley: >If you want a slashdot-style frontpage, why not use > /usr/ports/www/slash? Very easy to install on FreeBSD > (extremely painful on Linux ;), it Just Works (tm). Thanks for your advice. I will have a look at it, although i think its a bit bloated for our needs. Lukas Ertl: >That's not correct. c't _did_ mention FreeBSD 5.0 in their >newest issue (which came out today), but it was only a very smal>l article. Sorry i oversaw that one. I will focus on fbsd articles in the news when i finished work on the events page. i think this is more important. > Probably because 5.0 wasn't released when this issue of iX came out. I also thought about this possibility. I think we should take the chance to help iX bringing out a big article in their next issue. greets, josef To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 10:17:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FE037B405 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:17:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0098143F43 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:17:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RIGqc4097296; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:16:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RIGq9H097295; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:16:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:16:52 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: "Anthony C. Chavez" Cc: Willie Viljoen , Eric Anderson , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Message-ID: <20030127131652.A97223@blackhelicopters.org> References: <200301270026.32035.will@unfoldings.net> <3E3533B9.7010603@centtech.com> <200301271532.18792.will@unfoldings.net> <20030127173112.GC60735@anthonychavez.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20030127173112.GC60735@anthonychavez.org>; from acc@anthonychavez.org on Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:31:12AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just my $0.02. I would also recommend either using DN's site, or using one of the existing FreeBSD news sites if the goal is to create a site to handle news. A long time ago, a group of people decided to start a FreeBSD advocacy project. They went off and started DN. Now, DN does some good things, but they don't accomplish general FreeBSD advocacy. We have sites that list articles, i.e., www.freebsd.org/news. What's needed is for people to submit patches to that page. Please, let's not reinvent the wheel. I don't want to squash anyone's enthusiasm, really, but what we need are solid advocacy materials to hand to wanna-be advocates, not Yet Another PHP-based News Posting Board. Writing those things is fun, but it's not what needs to be done. :-( ==ml On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:31:12AM -0700, Anthony C. Chavez wrote: > I'm going to stick my neck out here and (again) recommend that you > consider using the advcoacy page at Daemon News: > > http://advocacy.daemonnews.org/ > > DN's goal is to represent not just FreeBSD, but the BSDs in general. > > The site is dead at the moment, but IMO, it would be an ~excellent~ > choice to house this project. We (rather, I) had actually planned to > put something together within the next few months, anyway. > > What does everyone think? > > -- > Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ > mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 03:32:18PM +0200, Willie Viljoen wrote: > > On Monday 27 January 2003 15:27, you wrote: > > > Willie Viljoen wrote: > > > > In the excitement of setting up a project, it seems Stacy and I have > > > > managed to steal it inadvertantly from Peter Kieser. Our sincerest > > > > apologies to Peter for the offence, we hope that we can mend some fences > > > > and possibly join forces with him. > > > > > > [..chomp..] > > > > > > Wow.. One second I'm begging people to help with bsdevents.org, and the > > > next people are taking hostages to work on projects.. I wish all > > > projects went like this. > > > > > > So, is this only for general advocacy, for "to do" items, events, etc? > > > Which one? All of them? Should I NOT register bsdevents.org? (sheesh, > > > whic IS IT?! :)) > > > > Register :) > > > > I'm planning to get freebsdnews.org later today once some people return some > > e-mails, but it will be specifically for links to news articles and release > > announcements and such things, no reason we can't link the two sites though, > > create a sort of BSD web ring like OSDN have done with > > slashdot/freshmeat/sourceforge etc :) > > > > > > > > I can also offer www/dns/etc for the project if anyone still needs it. > > > > That would be great, I think we've got DNS and mail mostly sorted, but some > > more WWW mirrors are always appreciated, I'll let you knowf > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > -- > > Willie Viljoen > > Freelance IT Consultant > > > > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas > > Bloemfontein > > 9321 > > South Africa > > > > +27 51 522 15 60 > > +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) > > +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) > > > > will@unfoldings.net > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Absolute BSD: http://www.AbsoluteBSD.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 10:20: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E622137B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:20:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F0E43E4A for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:20:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RIK4NS053055 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:20:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RIK4wD053054; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:20:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:20:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200301271820.h0RIK4wD053054@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: "Stacy Olivas" Subject: Re: advocacy/47559: New FreeBSD PR campaign has been started... multiple projects underway. Reply-To: "Stacy Olivas" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The following reply was made to PR advocacy/47559; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Stacy Olivas" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: advocacy/47559: New FreeBSD PR campaign has been started... multiple projects underway. Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:16:22 +0100 Ok, I made a slight mistake in the original PR. Here's a correction: ----------------------------------------------------------------- *** CORRECTED COPY *** Peter Kieser has been "trolling" the mailing list archives for tidbits of information to be included in a comprehensive Advocacy To Do / Goals list. Stacy Olivas took the advice of Michael Lucas and searched the -advocacy mail list archives for the To Do list that was posted by Eric Andersen . He made it into an HTML document that currently lives at: http://digiflux.org/fbsd-advocacy/. Josef El-Rayes , after seeing the newly posted To Do list, has volunteered his time to monitor the media for news and stories concerning FreeBSD (including those released in Germany). He also volunteered to help maintain an events calendat for FreeBSD. In addition, he is preparing to launch a web site dedicated to *BSD events called bsdevents.org. Willie Viljoen also threw his hat into the ring. Volunteering to take on the first two items in the To Do list, he has been utilizing his contacts to help setup a FreeBSD News website called freebsdnew.org. Stacy Olivas has joined him in the effort to setup this new website. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 10:32:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD3A37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.laserfence.net (apollo.laserfence.net [196.44.69.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7F543F3F for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:32:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@unfoldings.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18dE3e-0002ku-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:32:35 +0200 Received: from prometheus-p0.datel.laserfence.net ([192.168.255.1] helo=prometheus.home.laserfence.net) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18dE3M-0002kl-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:32:18 +0200 Received: from phoenix.home.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.2]) by prometheus.home.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18dE3I-000FcO-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:32:12 +0200 Received: from will by phoenix.home.laserfence.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18dE3G-0004n9-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:32:10 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Willie Viljoen To: Michael Lucas Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:32:10 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200301270026.32035.will@unfoldings.net> <20030127173112.GC60735@anthonychavez.org> <20030127131652.A97223@blackhelicopters.org> In-Reply-To: <20030127131652.A97223@blackhelicopters.org> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200301272032.10399.will@unfoldings.net> X-Spam-Score: (/) X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *18dE3M-0002kl-00*wGf4mV2.b5c* X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020422 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday 27 January 2003 20:16, Michael Lucas wrote: > Just my $0.02. > > I would also recommend either using DN's site, or using one of the > existing FreeBSD news sites if the goal is to create a site to handle > news. > > A long time ago, a group of people decided to start a FreeBSD advocacy > project. They went off and started DN. Now, DN does some good > things, but they don't accomplish general FreeBSD advocacy. > > We have sites that list articles, i.e., www.freebsd.org/news. What's > needed is for people to submit patches to that page. > > Please, let's not reinvent the wheel. I don't want to squash anyone's > enthusiasm, really, but what we need are solid advocacy materials to > hand to wanna-be advocates, not Yet Another PHP-based News Posting > Board. Writing those things is fun, but it's not what needs to be > done. :-( Not entirely what I had in mind.. :) I bought freebsdnews.org earlier today, so we can do with it what we like= once=20 we get it up. I was thinking more of a news site on the periphery though,= not=20 a central news agency, ie, something with longer articles specifically ab= out=20 FreeBSD, ie, indepth looks at releases, interviews with (or letters from)= =20 developers, that sort of stuff, which the printed news papers, rather tha= n=20 the PHP posting forums, will run, and ofcourse a headlines page, wich wou= ld=20 pretty much just be a mirror of freebsd.org/news (if people start botheri= ng=20 to use it, which we'll also try to promote) We'll see what happens, for the moment, it won't be going up before Feb. = 14=20 anyway, work (or overwhelming workload) issues here have forced me to pus= h it=20 back abit (sigh) > > =3D=3Dml > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:31:12AM -0700, Anthony C. Chavez wrote: > > I'm going to stick my neck out here and (again) recommend that you > > consider using the advcoacy page at Daemon News: > > > > http://advocacy.daemonnews.org/ > > > > DN's goal is to represent not just FreeBSD, but the BSDs in general. > > > > The site is dead at the moment, but IMO, it would be an ~excellent~ > > choice to house this project. We (rather, I) had actually planned to > > put something together within the next few months, anyway. > > > > What does everyone think? > > > > -- > > Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.o= rg/ > > mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.= org > > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 03:32:18PM +0200, Willie Viljoen=20 wrote: > > > On Monday 27 January 2003 15:27, you wrote: > > > > Willie Viljoen wrote: > > > > > In the excitement of setting up a project, it seems Stacy and I > > > > > have managed to steal it inadvertantly from Peter Kieser. Our > > > > > sincerest apologies to Peter for the offence, we hope that we c= an > > > > > mend some fences and possibly join forces with him. > > > > > > > > [..chomp..] > > > > > > > > Wow.. One second I'm begging people to help with bsdevents.org, a= nd > > > > the next people are taking hostages to work on projects.. I wish= all > > > > projects went like this. > > > > > > > > So, is this only for general advocacy, for "to do" items, events, > > > > etc? Which one? All of them? Should I NOT register bsdevents.or= g? > > > > (sheesh, whic IS IT?! :)) > > > > > > Register :) > > > > > > I'm planning to get freebsdnews.org later today once some people re= turn > > > some e-mails, but it will be specifically for links to news article= s > > > and release announcements and such things, no reason we can't link = the > > > two sites though, create a sort of BSD web ring like OSDN have done > > > with > > > slashdot/freshmeat/sourceforge etc :) > > > > > > > I can also offer www/dns/etc for the project if anyone still need= s > > > > it. > > > > > > That would be great, I think we've got DNS and mail mostly sorted, = but > > > some more WWW mirrors are always appreciated, I'll let you knowf > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > -- > > > Willie Viljoen > > > Freelance IT Consultant > > > > > > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas > > > Bloemfontein > > > 9321 > > > South Africa > > > > > > +27 51 522 15 60 > > > +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) > > > +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) > > > > > > will@unfoldings.net > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message --=20 Willie Viljoen Freelance IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60 +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) will@unfoldings.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 10:34:20 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F0037B405 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (satanii.enemy.org [62.116.11.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0EE43F43 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:34:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (shammer@localhost [IPv6:::1]) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RIaGb0065335; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:36:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: (from shammer@localhost) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RIaEfC065334; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:36:14 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:36:14 +0100 From: Josef El-Rayes To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: acc@anthonychavez.org, mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Message-ID: <20030127183614.GA65009@satanii.enemy.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Michael Lucas: > I would also recommend either using DN's site, or using one of the existing FreeBSD news sites if the goal is to create a site to handle news. i also share this opinion. i think its good to try to embedd our ideas into existing things. i would like to coordinate the bsd events thing with the people from daemonnews and the WWW-people of freebsd.org. Anthony C. Chavez: > Josef: You also may want to hold out on using slash or writing any PHP code. Okay, i will wait until we all found a solution on how things work best. greets, josef To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 10:36:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD8737B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:36:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes62.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3934943EB2 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:36:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.179] ([216.232.36.68]) by priv-edtnes62.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030127183615.PDHO1598.priv-edtnes62.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.179]>; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:36:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR From: Peter Kieser To: Josef El-Rayes Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, acc@anthonychavez.org, mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org In-Reply-To: <20030127183614.GA65009@satanii.enemy.org> References: <20030127183614.GA65009@satanii.enemy.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1043692595.914.2.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 27 Jan 2003 10:36:35 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG That sounds like an excellent idea, the only issue I have with this is getting the patches submitted, which I've never done before. Is there a site where I can find out more information about that? etc. On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 10:36, Josef El-Rayes wrote: > Michael Lucas: > > > I would also recommend either using DN's site, or using one of the existing FreeBSD news sites if the goal is to create a site to handle news. > > i also share this opinion. i think its good to try to embedd our ideas into existing things. > > i would like to coordinate the bsd events thing with the people from daemonnews and the WWW-people of freebsd.org. > > > Anthony C. Chavez: > > > Josef: You also may want to hold out on using slash or writing any PHP code. > > Okay, i will wait until we all found a solution on how things work best. > > > greets, josef > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ - against microsoft attachments To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 10:40:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168C337B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (anthonychavez.org [166.70.15.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCDF43ED8 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:40:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acc@anthonychavez.org) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (acc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RIeMvw063115; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:40:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from acc@athena.anthonychavez.org) Received: (from acc@localhost) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RIeMmP063114; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:40:22 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:40:22 -0700 From: "Anthony C. Chavez" To: Peter Kieser Cc: Josef El-Rayes , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Message-ID: <20030127184022.GB62737@anthonychavez.org> Mail-Followup-To: Peter Kieser , Josef El-Rayes , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org References: <20030127183614.GA65009@satanii.enemy.org> <1043692595.914.2.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="24zk1gE8NUlDmwG9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1043692595.914.2.camel@sharpie> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.anthonychavez.org/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --24zk1gE8NUlDmwG9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Patches? For the Web site? I could set up a CVS repository and we could work through that. --=20 Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:36:35AM -0800, Peter Kieser wro= te: > That sounds like an excellent idea, the only issue I have with this is > getting the patches submitted, which I've never done before. Is there a > site where I can find out more information about that? etc. >=20 >=20 > On Mon, 2003-01-27 at 10:36, Josef El-Rayes wrote: > > Michael Lucas: > >=20 > > > I would also recommend either using DN's site, or using one of the ex= isting FreeBSD news sites if the goal is to create a site to handle news. > >=20 > > i also share this opinion. i think its good to try to embedd our ideas = into existing things. > >=20 > > i would like to coordinate the bsd events thing with the people from da= emonnews and the WWW-people of freebsd.org. > >=20 > >=20 > > Anthony C. Chavez: > >=20 > > > Josef: You also may want to hold out on using slash or writing any PH= P code. > >=20 > > Okay, i will wait until we all found a solution on how things work best. > >=20 > >=20 > > greets, josef > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > --=20 > Peter Kieser > pfak@telus.net >=20 > () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > /\ - against microsoft attachments >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message --24zk1gE8NUlDmwG9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NX0WbZTbIaRBRXERAtJiAJ9o147GLK3iOAvmi3bxbyD3mO9sBACeNN39 s/WH1Gm/Khk/COdpGeKkc9Y= =yoGI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --24zk1gE8NUlDmwG9-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 10:43:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23C637B405 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.laserfence.net (apollo.laserfence.net [196.44.69.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637BC43E4A for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:43:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@unfoldings.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18dEEQ-0002pt-00 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:43:42 +0200 Received: from prometheus-p0.datel.laserfence.net ([192.168.255.1] helo=prometheus.home.laserfence.net) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18dEE9-0002pd-00 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:43:26 +0200 Received: from phoenix.home.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.2]) by prometheus.home.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18dEE5-000FeV-00 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:43:21 +0200 Received: from will by phoenix.home.laserfence.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18dEE4-0004nr-00 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:43:20 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Willie Viljoen To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Some corrections about freebsdnews.org Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 20:43:20 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200301272043.20423.will@unfoldings.net> X-Spam-Score: (/) X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *18dEE9-0002pd-00*1u1nCM5H.2c* X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020422 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thought I should get my two cents too. It seems that there's been alot of= =20 confusion in the past few days about what we're planning to do. As I note= d in=20 my previous post, freebsdnews.org, which will (hopefully) go up on Feb 14= ,=20 will not be (just) another PHP post forum. We'll have such a thing with=20 headlines mirroring freebsd.org/news, and interesting (but short) posts o= n=20 slashdot and other such places. The main focus however will be a kind of "in-depth" news site. We're hopi= ng to=20 have FreeBSD-specific articles, posted by anybody who feels like it, and=20 edited (hopefully) by somebody with the needed skills like Michael or Pet= er.=20 We'd like to try and push these to more major publications, ie, news pape= rs,=20 magazines, or, atleast, to get their awareness level to such a point wher= e=20 they would consider writing such things themselves. Ofcourse, these artic= les=20 would be public domain, so anybody who feels like it can republish (which= is=20 exactly what we would want) The aim of freebsdnews.org, basically, is to get the general public,=20 especially the less tech-savvy folks who might just find it interesting,=20 aware of FreeBSD. The Linux people have done a great job by writing about= =20 their new kid on the block OS on every oportunity, and having their large= r=20 commercial distributions push full-page adds. We don't need full-page add= s,=20 but a few full pages of propaganda every now and then will do a world of=20 good. Also maybe things like a "letter from the trenches", informal HOWTOs wher= e=20 people experimenting with general FreeBSD things can keep a diary of thei= r=20 experiences for other people to work from. A long, very detailed article = on=20 configuring WINE on FreeBSD, showing people how to get their favourite ga= me=20 running perfectly, instead of just a quick note that it works (which woul= d=20 suffice in my case) would be all we need to persuade some of the worlds=20 gamers and would be UNIX enthusiasts to give FreeBSD a try. Maybe even interesting factoid pages like biographies of FreeBSD develope= rs,=20 contributors, etc. I've never been one for reinventing the wheel, and we certainly don't wan= t to=20 try and do what slashdot and daemonnews and freebsd.org already do very w= ell.=20 We'll see where this goes and if it helps :) Will --=20 Willie Viljoen Freelance IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60 +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) will@unfoldings.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 10:51:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7338337B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (anthonychavez.org [166.70.15.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046A243F18 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:51:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acc@anthonychavez.org) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (acc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RIp9vw063276; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:51:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from acc@athena.anthonychavez.org) Received: (from acc@localhost) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RIp99I063275; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:51:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:51:09 -0700 From: "Anthony C. Chavez" To: Michael Lucas Cc: Willie Viljoen , Eric Anderson , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Message-ID: <20030127185109.GC62737@anthonychavez.org> Mail-Followup-To: Michael Lucas , Willie Viljoen , Eric Anderson , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200301270026.32035.will@unfoldings.net> <3E3533B9.7010603@centtech.com> <200301271532.18792.will@unfoldings.net> <20030127173112.GC60735@anthonychavez.org> <20030127131652.A97223@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uXxzq0nDebZQVNAZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030127131652.A97223@blackhelicopters.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.anthonychavez.org/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --uXxzq0nDebZQVNAZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This has been my intention all along. We need a central repository for BSD-related advocacy materials: brochures, presentations, flyers, banners, the works. If we do this right, we could have a pretty powerful tool at our disposal. You're right, Michael. We don't need another news site. DN covers that quite well, but their advocacy efforts could stand some improvement. Now that I'm actually part of the team, I want to make that a reality. What we need most right now are volunteers. I'm actually spearheading a major effort for Daemon News right now, which is really eating into my time. I will be setting up a mailing list to coordinate this effort sometime today. I will advertise it on the appropriate channels once it's ready. --=20 Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 01:16:52PM -0500, Michael Lucas wrote: > Just my $0.02. >=20 > I would also recommend either using DN's site, or using one of the > existing FreeBSD news sites if the goal is to create a site to handle > news. >=20 > A long time ago, a group of people decided to start a FreeBSD advocacy > project. They went off and started DN. Now, DN does some good > things, but they don't accomplish general FreeBSD advocacy. >=20 > We have sites that list articles, i.e., www.freebsd.org/news. What's > needed is for people to submit patches to that page. >=20 > Please, let's not reinvent the wheel. I don't want to squash anyone's > enthusiasm, really, but what we need are solid advocacy materials to > hand to wanna-be advocates, not Yet Another PHP-based News Posting > Board. Writing those things is fun, but it's not what needs to be > done. :-( >=20 > =3D=3Dml >=20 > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:31:12AM -0700, Anthony C. Chavez wrote: > > I'm going to stick my neck out here and (again) recommend that you > > consider using the advcoacy page at Daemon News: > >=20 > > http://advocacy.daemonnews.org/ > >=20 > > DN's goal is to represent not just FreeBSD, but the BSDs in general. > >=20 > > The site is dead at the moment, but IMO, it would be an ~excellent~ > > choice to house this project. We (rather, I) had actually planned to > > put something together within the next few months, anyway. > >=20 > > What does everyone think? > >=20 > > --=20 > > Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ > > mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org > >=20 > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 03:32:18PM +0200, Willie Viljoen wrote: > > > On Monday 27 January 2003 15:27, you wrote: > > > > Willie Viljoen wrote: > > > > > In the excitement of setting up a project, it seems Stacy and I h= ave > > > > > managed to steal it inadvertantly from Peter Kieser. Our sincerest > > > > > apologies to Peter for the offence, we hope that we can mend some= fences > > > > > and possibly join forces with him. > > > > > > > > [..chomp..] > > > > > > > > Wow.. One second I'm begging people to help with bsdevents.org, and= the > > > > next people are taking hostages to work on projects.. I wish all > > > > projects went like this. > > > > > > > > So, is this only for general advocacy, for "to do" items, events, e= tc? > > > > Which one? All of them? Should I NOT register bsdevents.org? (she= esh, > > > > whic IS IT?! :)) > > >=20 > > > Register :) > > >=20 > > > I'm planning to get freebsdnews.org later today once some people retu= rn some=20 > > > e-mails, but it will be specifically for links to news articles and r= elease=20 > > > announcements and such things, no reason we can't link the two sites = though,=20 > > > create a sort of BSD web ring like OSDN have done with=20 > > > slashdot/freshmeat/sourceforge etc :) > > >=20 > > > > > > > > I can also offer www/dns/etc for the project if anyone still needs = it. > > >=20 > > > That would be great, I think we've got DNS and mail mostly sorted, bu= t some=20 > > > more WWW mirrors are always appreciated, I'll let you knowf > > >=20 > > > > > > > > Eric > > >=20 > > > --=20 > > > Willie Viljoen > > > Freelance IT Consultant > > >=20 > > > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas > > > Bloemfontein > > > 9321 > > > South Africa > > >=20 > > > +27 51 522 15 60 > > > +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) > > > +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) > > >=20 > > > will@unfoldings.net > > >=20 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org > http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ >=20 > Absolute BSD: http://www.AbsoluteBSD.com/ --uXxzq0nDebZQVNAZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NX+dbZTbIaRBRXERAomfAJ4iGnYFVmdS1YcI6qOiHV3b8LtiTwCbBRtZ Ife2HgC/bciF7P0Ro7W0t0A= =sydZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uXxzq0nDebZQVNAZ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 10:57:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0955137B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:57:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (anthonychavez.org [166.70.15.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A6643EB2 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:57:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acc@anthonychavez.org) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (acc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0RIvivw063368; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:57:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from acc@athena.anthonychavez.org) Received: (from acc@localhost) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0RIviuJ063367; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:57:44 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:57:44 -0700 From: "Anthony C. Chavez" To: Willie Viljoen Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some corrections about freebsdnews.org Message-ID: <20030127185744.GD62737@anthonychavez.org> Mail-Followup-To: Willie Viljoen , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200301272043.20423.will@unfoldings.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OaZoDhBhXzo6bW1J" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200301272043.20423.will@unfoldings.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.anthonychavez.org/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --OaZoDhBhXzo6bW1J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This has turned into a somewhat unfortunate mess. I wish I would have had time to respond to this over the weekend. Your description of freebsdnews sounds ~exactly~ like Daemon News, except that it sounds like you're going to focus on FreeBSD rather than the BSDs as a whole. Daemon News (well, actually, it's just me and maybe a couple of others) has been interested in re-vamping the advocacy portal for a few months now. http://advocacy.daemonnews.org/ has been around for quite some time now, but it's suffered from severe neglect, like most others. Josef El-Rayes and Peter Kieser have both expressed a fairly high degree of enthusiasm for hosting the advocacy site on advocacy.daemonnews.org. I have yet to hear back from you or Stacy Olivas yet. I don't mean to deter you from starting freebsdnews, but IMO, DN is a much more appropriate place to host an advocacy site. By all means, if you want to continue with your site, please do! However, we can save you the cost of a domain for one thing, and for another, DN's ~purpose~ is to represent the BSDs as a whole, rather than just one flavor. Please let me know what you decide to do. Thanks! --=20 Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 08:43:20PM +0200, Willie Viljoen wrote: > Thought I should get my two cents too. It seems that there's been alot of= =20 > confusion in the past few days about what we're planning to do. As I note= d in=20 > my previous post, freebsdnews.org, which will (hopefully) go up on Feb 14= ,=20 > will not be (just) another PHP post forum. We'll have such a thing with= =20 > headlines mirroring freebsd.org/news, and interesting (but short) posts o= n=20 > slashdot and other such places. >=20 > The main focus however will be a kind of "in-depth" news site. We're hopi= ng to=20 > have FreeBSD-specific articles, posted by anybody who feels like it, and= =20 > edited (hopefully) by somebody with the needed skills like Michael or Pet= er.=20 > We'd like to try and push these to more major publications, ie, news pape= rs,=20 > magazines, or, atleast, to get their awareness level to such a point wher= e=20 > they would consider writing such things themselves. Ofcourse, these artic= les=20 > would be public domain, so anybody who feels like it can republish (which= is=20 > exactly what we would want) >=20 > The aim of freebsdnews.org, basically, is to get the general public,=20 > especially the less tech-savvy folks who might just find it interesting,= =20 > aware of FreeBSD. The Linux people have done a great job by writing about= =20 > their new kid on the block OS on every oportunity, and having their large= r=20 > commercial distributions push full-page adds. We don't need full-page add= s,=20 > but a few full pages of propaganda every now and then will do a world of= =20 > good. >=20 > Also maybe things like a "letter from the trenches", informal HOWTOs wher= e=20 > people experimenting with general FreeBSD things can keep a diary of thei= r=20 > experiences for other people to work from. A long, very detailed article = on=20 > configuring WINE on FreeBSD, showing people how to get their favourite ga= me=20 > running perfectly, instead of just a quick note that it works (which woul= d=20 > suffice in my case) would be all we need to persuade some of the worlds= =20 > gamers and would be UNIX enthusiasts to give FreeBSD a try. >=20 > Maybe even interesting factoid pages like biographies of FreeBSD develope= rs,=20 > contributors, etc. >=20 > I've never been one for reinventing the wheel, and we certainly don't wan= t to=20 > try and do what slashdot and daemonnews and freebsd.org already do very w= ell.=20 > We'll see where this goes and if it helps :) >=20 > Will > --=20 > Willie Viljoen > Freelance IT Consultant >=20 > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas > Bloemfontein > 9321 > South Africa >=20 > +27 51 522 15 60 > +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) > +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) >=20 > will@unfoldings.net >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message >=20 --OaZoDhBhXzo6bW1J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NYEobZTbIaRBRXERAv2CAJ0T36/rqxeHRQTDh1OB6QYHv66eBACfSWkQ q8c5fVNgWbKt08BSforqm2k= =4G91 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OaZoDhBhXzo6bW1J-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 11: 5:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B8037B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:05:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from apollo.laserfence.net (apollo.laserfence.net [196.44.69.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A9043F43 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:05:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@unfoldings.net) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18dEZo-0002yS-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:05:48 +0200 Received: from prometheus-p0.datel.laserfence.net ([192.168.255.1] helo=prometheus.home.laserfence.net) by apollo.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18dEZZ-0002yL-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:05:35 +0200 Received: from phoenix.home.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.2]) by prometheus.home.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18dEZU-000Fim-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:05:28 +0200 Received: from will by phoenix.home.laserfence.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 18dEZT-0004ov-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:05:27 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Willie Viljoen To: "Anthony C. Chavez" Subject: Re: Some corrections about freebsdnews.org Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:05:27 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200301272043.20423.will@unfoldings.net> <20030127185744.GD62737@anthonychavez.org> In-Reply-To: <20030127185744.GD62737@anthonychavez.org> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200301272105.27758.will@unfoldings.net> X-Spam-Score: (/) X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *18dEZZ-0002yL-00*iRpUiYv7N/g* X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020422 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday 27 January 2003 20:57, Anthony C. Chavez wrote: > This has turned into a somewhat unfortunate mess. I wish I would have > had time to respond to this over the weekend. Well, nobody could really e-mail very well this weekend, we're still deal= ing=20 with the aftermath of that slapper-worm rubbish here, mail queues filled = to=20 capacity :) > > Your description of freebsdnews sounds ~exactly~ like Daemon News, > except that it sounds like you're going to focus on FreeBSD rather than > the BSDs as a whole. Well, there's no reason why we can't colaborate, ie, some portions of=20 freebsdnews.org just redirects people to the appropriate part of DN, and = the=20 rest does things like the freebsd-specific factoid things, etc. I've bought it anyway, and the 12 Euros really isn't gonna hurt that badl= y, so=20 we can think of something to do with it :-) > > Daemon News (well, actually, it's just me and maybe a couple of others) > has been interested in re-vamping the advocacy portal for a few months > now. http://advocacy.daemonnews.org/ has been around for quite some > time now, but it's suffered from severe neglect, like most others. > > Josef El-Rayes and Peter Kieser have both expressed a fairly high degre= e > of enthusiasm for hosting the advocacy site on advocacy.daemonnews.org. > I have yet to hear back from you or Stacy Olivas yet. > > I don't mean to deter you from starting freebsdnews, but IMO, DN is a > much more appropriate place to host an advocacy site. > > By all means, if you want to continue with your site, please do! > However, we can save you the cost of a domain for one thing, and for > another, DN's ~purpose~ is to represent the BSDs as a whole, rather tha= n > just one flavor. > > Please let me know what you decide to do. Thanks! --=20 Willie Viljoen Freelance IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60 +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) will@unfoldings.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 11:13:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0BA837B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:13:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D964543EB2 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:13:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 555CE3D27; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:13:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Michael Lucas Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:13:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Cc: Willie Viljoen , Eric Anderson , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3E353E8F.7806.6D943493@localhost> In-reply-to: <20030127131652.A97223@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20030127173112.GC60735@anthonychavez.org>; from acc@anthonychavez.org on Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 10:31:12AM -0700 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 27 Jan 2003 at 13:16, Michael Lucas wrote: > Please, let's not reinvent the wheel. I don't want to squash anyone's > enthusiasm, really, but what we need are solid advocacy materials to > hand to wanna-be advocates, not Yet Another PHP-based News Posting > Board. Writing those things is fun, but it's not what needs to be > done. :-( What he said... I like the passion being shown, but we have lots of news sites. What we need is advocacy sites. Advocacy != news. Think more of terms of the following types of questions: - Why should I choose FreeBSD over ABC? - Where can I find brochures to distribute at this conference I'm going to? - Why should my boss choose FreeBSD instead of ABC? - I've been using the XYZ distro for years. How is FreeBSD different from that? I think the main goal of an advocacy site is to make advocacy easier for those that wish to get the word out. We have lots of people who are very enthusiastic about FreeBSD. What they need is information to help them inform others about FreeBSD. They are your target market. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 12:10:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECB937B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:10:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com (mailout09.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31ED143F18 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:10:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fwd11.sul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18dFag-00012r-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:10:46 +0100 Received: from jhs.muc.de (520006753247-0001@[217.228.212.204]) by fmrl11.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18dFaE-1Boo0uC; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:10:18 +0100 Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0RKAEU84202; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:10:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h0RK9XJ07532; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:09:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200301272009.h0RK9XJ07532@flip.jhs.private> To: Josef El-Rayes Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org, olivas@digiflux.org, chris@unixpages.org Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR In-Reply-To: Message from Josef El-Rayes of "Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:53:08 +0100." <20030127165308.GA62118@satanii.enemy.org> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:09:33 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Sender: 520006753247-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > today i had a look at the new issues of c't and iX (biggest german computer t > ech magazines) and there is _no_ mentioning of freebsd 5 at all. > > shall i send them our press release by fax? Sounds a good idea to send something. > does anyone have relations to heise( publisher of these magazines)? One or more on the German speaking lists @de.freebsd.org have, but I don't remember who. Type Heise into the search box of http://www.freebsd.org & you end here http://www.freebsd.org/de/index.html & go to http://www.de.freebsd.org & search again & you find EG http://univ.dyndns.org/freebsd/search-de/index.cgi?query=heise&max=20&result=normal&sort=score&idxname=questions Best search or ask .de lists EG questions@de.freebsd.org has by far the heaviest traffic. Just becaus you'r not geographically in Germany doesn't mean you shouldn't use German language resources when needed ;-) (assuming you speak German). > another thing that i am wondering about is how do i get material for a freebs > d booth. there is an opensource event in every major city in austria between > mai and june called linuxweeks (www.linuxwochen.at) i had a talk with one of > the "managers" and they would also like to see a freebsd booth. i think it w > ould be nice to sell some of the freebsd 5.x isos, shirts and have some mater > ial/handouts for the visitors. There was a Linuxday down towards Swiss end of Austria a few months back, (Bodensee/Constance) Vorarlberg Linux Club or some such. One of the BSD speakers was recruited from the pool of people who are subscribed to lists on majordomo@de.freebsd.org. PS If you want to keep tabs on BSD people/events in South Germany/Bavaria, we have Berkeley In Munich at http://www.berklix.org/bim/ Good luck with the advocacy. Julian Stacey jhs @ berklix.com Computer Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. Munich BSD Conference: http://berklix.org/conf/ Spam phrases triggering deletion: http://berklix.com/jhs/mail/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 16: 7:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF9D37B401; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (anthonychavez.org [166.70.15.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AE143F43; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:07:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acc@anthonychavez.org) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (acc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0S07tvw066493; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:07:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from acc@athena.anthonychavez.org) Received: (from acc@localhost) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0S07sll066492; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:07:54 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:07:54 -0700 From: "Anthony C. Chavez" To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: (Re-)announcing advocacy.daemonnews.org! Message-ID: <20030128000753.GA66158@daemonnews.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.anthonychavez.org/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Friends: Due to increasing interest in advocating BSD, Daemon News is stepping forth to offer the hosting space and coordination of a much-needed advocacy/PR clearinghouse for all of the BSD projects: FreeBSD, NetVSD, OpenBSD, Darwin, etc. The goal is to have a "one stop shop," where advocates can obtain flyers, presentations, banners, studies and other resources to utilize when working to convince others of BSD's value. These resources will be housed at http://advocacy.daemonnews.org/, which, obviously, needs some serious help. If you are interested in contributing ~anything~ to this effort (even if it's just questions and comments), please visit https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy and subscribe to our mailing list. Thanks for your time. --=20 Anthony Chavez Daemon News mailto:acc@daemonnews.org http://www.daemonnews.org/ --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NcnZbZTbIaRBRXERAhviAJ9g9/6VdjOihAZCERYuAKe2oT1LSACfd2xG X+P0fa2S8T91W70TqVbJ+0k= =icl6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 16:13:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C250637B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:13:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3176243F3F for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:13:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0350.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.95] helo=mindspring.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18dJMn-0005Rl-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:12:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3E35CA7C.E8618837@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:10:36 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Lucas Cc: Khairil Yusof , Konrad Heuer , Alexandr Kovalenko , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... References: <20030125062732.GA92204@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20030127094536.S1236-100000@gwdu60.gwdg.de> <20030127074231.A93869@blackhelicopters.org> <1043677253.13591.151.camel@daemon.home.net> <20030127092256.A95022@blackhelicopters.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a43b9624ab45c5ecf6e07f7b3a3c214fa7a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Michael Lucas wrote: > It might be. You may have to configure your workstation's sendmail(8) > to relay through your ISP's mail exchanger. This doesn't work for "pan-ISPs". My ISP was Primenet, which got bought by Global Crossing, when they were flush with cash from the idea that someone else would build "the last mile", and everyone would need big pipes. When this idea was proven stupid by no one building "the last mile", then they sold all their dialup customers to EarthLink, to get another round of funding. Then they promptly went bankrupt. EarthLink is a "pan-ISP". Basically, they buy up tons of other ISPs, and integrate dialup customers ("Congradulations! You've won a '2' on the end of your login name!"). They make them direct their email through SMTP relay servers, which relay by IP address, rather than some other method. And they are not too particular about using their "major" domain names as a second index dimension on account namespace. So now I am an EarthLink customer with a Mindspring address. So I relay my outbound email from my "Mindspring" address through an "EarthLink" SMTP relay server. And the PR email is rejected, because some moron decided that the email address domain name has to match the relay server domain name. A noticible reduction in PR's... not because of increased code quality, but because of decreased ability to send PR's. And of course, it's only going to get worse, as the competing ISP's whittle the market down to "The Big Three", and we end up with only a small number of real pan-ISP's controlling the dialup market. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 16:21:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02BD37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:21:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1603A43E4A for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:21:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rwh@attbi.com) Received: from 12-251-57-159.client.attbi.com ([12.251.57.159]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <20030128002139001008a7p2e>; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 00:21:39 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:19:09 -0600 (CST) From: "r.w.h" X-X-Sender: rwh@mech.homeunix.org To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... In-Reply-To: <3E35CA7C.E8618837@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20030127181412.E24125@mech.homeunix.org> References: <20030125062732.GA92204@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20030127094536.S1236-100000@gwdu60.gwdg.de> <20030127074231.A93869@blackhelicopters.org> <1043677253.13591.151.camel@daemon.home.net> <20030127092256.A95022@blackhelicopters.org> <3E35CA7C.E8618837@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello. i own bsdrealms.com iam still looking for a web providor. and if anyone has any suggestions what website should contain. please let me know. my main goal is for the advocacy of FreeBSD. iam mainly on irc.allchatirc.net a new irc network and on irc.freenode.net as robrock if you would like to hand me any suggestions. ps sorry for bad spelling its been a long 48hrs. Thanks Robert Harris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 16:31:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D5237B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C3743F85 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:31:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0350.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.95] helo=mindspring.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18dJeT-0007Q5-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:30:59 -0800 Message-ID: <3E35CEBB.BEC68BE5@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:28:43 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Anthony C. Chavez" Cc: Michael Lucas , Willie Viljoen , Eric Anderson , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR References: <200301270026.32035.will@unfoldings.net> <3E3533B9.7010603@centtech.com> <200301271532.18792.will@unfoldings.net> <20030127173112.GC60735@anthonychavez.org> <20030127131652.A97223@blackhelicopters.org> <20030127185109.GC62737@anthonychavez.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4d9a722129c4c9856aa16b39d4d8ceb34387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "We don't need another news site" "We need a central repository for BSD-related advocacy materials" Etc. Look. These people are volunteering to do what they are volunteering to do. No more, and no less. It's ridiculous to try and make them fit into "The One True Site". PR, advocacy, and the other things that fall under the umbrella of "marketing" are not about Truth, they are about momentum. People complain that the FreeBSD 5.0 release has not been widely reported; B.F.D.: there are lead times, and FreeBSD didn't make a concerted effort to schedule the release, or contact media outlets at their respective lead times: Magazines 3 months Trade rags 1 month Newspapers 1 week Onlines/Slashfot 1 Day Anything after that is, well, "old news". Trying to do to PR the same thing that has been done to the source tree, i.e. "The One True HEAD Branch, No Others Allowed" is as bad an idea as making "The FreeBSD Handbook" the only book about FreeBSD. It's not even such a good idea for source code, in fact, but the tools -- CVS -- limit you to thinking that way. Don't carry that limited thinking over into other areas of your life, or you will find yourself old, living along, and owning 20 cats, as your sole source of companionship. IMO, the more FreeBSD-related sites, the better. The more FreeBSD news outlets, the better. PR and marketing are all about "creating buzz", like that from a swarm of bees. One bee does not make a swarm. If you are someone who does not understand this idea, please stay out of the way of the people who do, particularly since they are volunteering to do work. If you want to add to Daemon News, and treat it as "The One True FreeBSD Site(tm)", then go ahead and put your eggs into that basket: I'm sure they will appreciate the contributions. But you will be doing less for FreeBSD advocacy, marketing, PR, and overall visibility, by doing so. Don't drag everyone else down to that level with you. Thanks, -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 16:36:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5DC37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from m20.unixathome.org (m20.unixathome.org [66.11.168.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C6743F79 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:36:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: by m20.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6B04E7A1E; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m20.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B874E1E8E; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:36:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:36:35 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Langille X-X-Sender: dan@m20.unixathome.org To: Terry Lambert Cc: "Anthony C. Chavez" , Michael Lucas , Willie Viljoen , Eric Anderson , Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR In-Reply-To: <3E35CEBB.BEC68BE5@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20030127193517.S61744-100000@m20.unixathome.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > "We don't need another news site" > > "We need a central repository for BSD-related advocacy materials" > > Etc. > > > Look. These people are volunteering to do what they are > volunteering to do. Yep, and nothing we say or do will change that. Including what you say. They asked for opinions and feedback. That's what they are getting. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 16:45:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362AB37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:45:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (anthonychavez.org [166.70.15.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087E543F85 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:45:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acc@anthonychavez.org) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (acc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0S0jAvw067012; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:45:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from acc@athena.anthonychavez.org) Received: (from acc@localhost) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0S0jAEJ067011; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:45:10 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:45:10 -0700 From: "Anthony C. Chavez" To: Terry Lambert Cc: Michael Lucas , Willie Viljoen , Eric Anderson , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR Message-ID: <20030128004510.GA66864@anthonychavez.org> Mail-Followup-To: Terry Lambert , Michael Lucas , Willie Viljoen , Eric Anderson , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200301270026.32035.will@unfoldings.net> <3E3533B9.7010603@centtech.com> <200301271532.18792.will@unfoldings.net> <20030127173112.GC60735@anthonychavez.org> <20030127131652.A97223@blackhelicopters.org> <20030127185109.GC62737@anthonychavez.org> <3E35CEBB.BEC68BE5@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E35CEBB.BEC68BE5@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.anthonychavez.org/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Perhaps I'm not being perfectly clear about this. I told Willie if he wants to continue with his own site, I would certainly not hinder him. I've had conversations with him where we agreed to even share resources. I'm with you, Terry, the more the merrier. But ~something~ needs to be done. So DN is ~volunteering~ to be ~one~of~ "The One True Sites." It is certainly not our intention to be the ~only~ BSD advocacy site. --=20 Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org On Mon, Jan 27, 2003 at 04:28:43PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > "We don't need another news site" >=20 > "We need a central repository for BSD-related advocacy materials" >=20 > Etc. >=20 >=20 > Look. These people are volunteering to do what they are > volunteering to do. >=20 > No more, and no less. >=20 > It's ridiculous to try and make them fit into "The One True Site". >=20 > PR, advocacy, and the other things that fall under the umbrella of > "marketing" are not about Truth, they are about momentum. >=20 > People complain that the FreeBSD 5.0 release has not been widely > reported; B.F.D.: there are lead times, and FreeBSD didn't make a > concerted effort to schedule the release, or contact media outlets > at their respective lead times: >=20 > Magazines 3 months > Trade rags 1 month > Newspapers 1 week > Onlines/Slashfot 1 Day >=20 > Anything after that is, well, "old news". >=20 >=20 > Trying to do to PR the same thing that has been done to the source > tree, i.e. "The One True HEAD Branch, No Others Allowed" is as bad > an idea as making "The FreeBSD Handbook" the only book about FreeBSD. > It's not even such a good idea for source code, in fact, but the > tools -- CVS -- limit you to thinking that way. Don't carry that > limited thinking over into other areas of your life, or you will > find yourself old, living along, and owning 20 cats, as your sole > source of companionship. >=20 > IMO, the more FreeBSD-related sites, the better. The more FreeBSD > news outlets, the better. >=20 > PR and marketing are all about "creating buzz", like that from a > swarm of bees. One bee does not make a swarm. >=20 >=20 > If you are someone who does not understand this idea, please stay > out of the way of the people who do, particularly since they are > volunteering to do work. If you want to add to Daemon News, and > treat it as "The One True FreeBSD Site(tm)", then go ahead and > put your eggs into that basket: I'm sure they will appreciate the > contributions. But you will be doing less for FreeBSD advocacy, > marketing, PR, and overall visibility, by doing so. Don't drag > everyone else down to that level with you. >=20 > Thanks, > -- Terry --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NdKWbZTbIaRBRXERAjm0AJ9wbAva33HWSM6tGQ2s8KiFWZM8OQCfcE3h SmQ1qjpyXMXtGfPM3yTmzgA= =U2KI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 16:45:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335BC37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:45:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9676243F79 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:45:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0350.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.95] helo=mindspring.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18dJsY-0001Ra-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:45:31 -0800 Message-ID: <3E35D221.25BCFFE6@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:43:13 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Langille Cc: "Anthony C. Chavez" , Michael Lucas , Willie Viljoen , Eric Anderson , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR References: <20030127193517.S61744-100000@m20.unixathome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a436657d9c72457ab5c5073c60a7e3bb0c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dan Langille wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Terry Lambert wrote: > > "We don't need another news site" > > > > "We need a central repository for BSD-related advocacy materials" > > > > Etc. > > > > > > Look. These people are volunteering to do what they are > > volunteering to do. > > Yep, and nothing we say or do will change that. Including what you say. > They asked for opinions and feedback. That's what they are getting. 8-). I think what I'm saying (I guess I can correct me if I'm wrong ;^)), is that they may be asking for opinions and feedback, but since they are willing to do work, what they should be given is encouragement. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 16:54:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25ACE37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from web11802.mail.yahoo.com (web11802.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C5F7643F3F for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:54:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030128005448.51606.qmail@web11802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [211.28.96.5] by web11802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:54:48 PST Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:54:48 -0800 (PST) From: Haikal Saadh Subject: Re: Project to improve FreeBSD PR To: advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030127185109.GC62737@anthonychavez.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- "Anthony C. Chavez" wrote: > This has been my intention all along. We need a central repository > for > BSD-related advocacy materials: brochures, presentations, flyers, > banners, the works. If we do this right, we could have a pretty > powerful tool at our disposal. While we're on the subject, did anyone dowload this: ? I have lost my original files, and the file on Deviant Art has also vanished in a server crash, so if anyone downloaded it, could you please email me a copy so I can reupload it to DA? *snip* __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 17: 4:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E1B37B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from web11808.mail.yahoo.com (web11808.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B564243F3F for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:04:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030128010421.15170.qmail@web11808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [211.28.96.5] by web11808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:04:21 PST Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:04:21 -0800 (PST) From: Haikal Saadh Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... To: Terry Lambert Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3E35CA7C.E8618837@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (Argh, forgot to cc: advocacy) --- Terry Lambert wrote: > Michael Lucas wrote: > > It might be. You may have to configure your workstation's > sendmail(8) > > to relay through your ISP's mail exchanger. Maybe this is something sysinstall should ask for at install time. Sendmail config file makes be barf. :) *snip* > A noticible reduction in PR's... not because of increased code > quality, but because of decreased ability to send PR's. And > of course, it's only going to get worse, as the competing ISP's > whittle the market down to "The Big Three", and we end up with > only a small number of real pan-ISP's controlling the dialup > market. Which is why I use the web form when I need to. I guess I've only submitted one, (I think) so it's no biggie for me. It must get rather annoying of you have to do it often, though. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 17:18:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9EA37B406 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1819B43E4A for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:18:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0350.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.95] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18dKOb-0000fB-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:18:38 -0800 Message-ID: <3E35D9D1.2E1237D0@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 17:16:01 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Haikal Saadh Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... References: <20030128010421.15170.qmail@web11808.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a41e06efdc10c03938473e89e18481ea4b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Haikal Saadh wrote: > > A noticible reduction in PR's... not because of increased code > > quality, but because of decreased ability to send PR's. And > > of course, it's only going to get worse, as the competing ISP's > > whittle the market down to "The Big Three", and we end up with > > only a small number of real pan-ISP's controlling the dialup > > market. > > Which is why I use the web form when I need to. I guess I've only > submitted one, (I think) so it's no biggie for me. It must get rather > annoying of you have to do it often, though. The web form has been disabled for months, ever since someone decided to stage a mailing list attack using it. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 6:56:20 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2E937B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 06:56:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A4B43F79 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 06:56:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) id h0SEuH5l018715 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:56:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (electron.centtech.com [204.177.173.173]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0SEuFNG018698 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:56:15 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <3E369A04.3050802@centtech.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:56:04 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy Subject: Indecisiveness and Domain registrations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It looks like a frenzy in the -advocacy list. It appears that many people want to take on a leadership type role - but not everyone can do that. Please, let's decide on a leader for the various projects, and let them organize and make sure decisions get made that best benefit FreeBSD as a project. I've registered bsdevents.org/com, and many of those who said "yea, register it!" are now saying "pfft, why reinvent the wheel, just use what we already have". Now, I enjoy the enthusiasm, but come on everyone, lets not rush into anything just because we are excited. For those who have volunteered to complete things on the To Do list, let's decide on due dates. If you don't complete it by that date, then we need to know why, and if you need more help to complete the task. It doesn't matter where the information is hosted. No one cares. I personally think it should be a .org, and also feel there should be NO ADVERTISING whatsoever on the site - at all. No "hosted by.." or anything. Who is willing to take a leadership role in this, and guide the rest to goals? Let me remind those who would like to, that this could be a somewhat time consuming task. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 8:34:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D9937B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:34:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.acecape.com (mail1.acecape.com [66.114.74.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C932F43F75 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:34:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fran@natserv.net) Received: from p65-147.acedsl.com (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mail1.acecape.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h0SGYDJ7015811; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:34:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:45:48 -0500 (EST) From: Francisco J Reyes To: Willie Viljoen Cc: "Anthony C. Chavez" , Subject: Re: Some corrections about freebsdnews.org In-Reply-To: <200301272105.27758.will@unfoldings.net> Message-ID: <20030128114357.N57158-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Willie Viljoen wrote: > On Monday 27 January 2003 20:57, Anthony C. Chavez wrote: > > Your description of freebsdnews sounds ~exactly~ like Daemon News, > > except that it sounds like you're going to focus on FreeBSD rather than > > the BSDs as a whole. > > Well, there's no reason why we can't colaborate, ie, some portions of > freebsdnews.org just redirects people to the appropriate part of DN, and the > rest does things like the freebsd-specific factoid things, etc. My personal opinion is that the BSD community would be better served if you worked with the daemonnews group. We as a community keep coming up with many small and splintered projects instead of trying to consolidate and strengthen the existing endeavours. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 8:56:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B556037B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:56:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (anthonychavez.org [166.70.15.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF0E43E4A for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:56:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acc@anthonychavez.org) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (acc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0SGuFvw076994; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:56:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from acc@athena.anthonychavez.org) Received: (from acc@localhost) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0SGuEkx076993; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:56:14 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:56:14 -0700 From: "Anthony C. Chavez" To: Eric Anderson Cc: freebsd-advocacy Subject: Re: Indecisiveness and Domain registrations Message-ID: <20030128165614.GA76354@anthonychavez.org> Mail-Followup-To: Eric Anderson , freebsd-advocacy References: <3E369A04.3050802@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E369A04.3050802@centtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.anthonychavez.org/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 08:56:04AM -0600, Eric Anderson wrote: > It looks like a frenzy in the -advocacy list. It appears that many=20 > people want to take on a leadership type role - but not everyone can do= =20 > that. I wouldn't quite call it a frenzy. I've seen much longer, heated threads with many more participants. :-) > Please, let's decide on a leader for the various projects, and let them= =20 > organize and make sure decisions get made that best benefit FreeBSD as a= =20 > project. >=20 > I've registered bsdevents.org/com, and many of those who said "yea,=20 > register it!" are now saying "pfft, why reinvent the wheel, just use=20 > what we already have". Now, I enjoy the enthusiasm, but come on=20 > everyone, lets not rush into anything just because we are excited. I've said it twice now and I'll say it again. I, for one, will not oppose any advocacy efforts made by anyone else. If you want to go forward with bsdevents, then go for it! I think that the ~real~ problem here is the lack of advocacy materials for the BSDs. But that's just ~my~ opinion, and the issue that I intend to tackle. Now, not to discourage you, but I think you should know that hosting news about BSD-related advocacy events would be a natural extension for Daemon News as well. Having bsdevents could have the benefit of some good, healthy competition, so I'm not opposed to it. > For those who have volunteered to complete things on the To Do list,=20 > let's decide on due dates. If you don't complete it by that date, then= =20 > we need to know why, and if you need more help to complete the task. Good idea. Unfortunately, I am only going to be able to contribute what I can whenever I can. I, like many others, have other things to address, such as work, other projects, etc. So I, for one, cannot commit to any deadlines. However, it is my intention to put together a "to do" list for advocacy.daemonnews.org of our own, perhaps borrowing a lot of the points from the list that was submitted to freebsd-advocacy. > It doesn't matter where the information is hosted. No one cares. I=20 > personally think it should be a .org, and also feel there should be NO=20 > ADVERTISING whatsoever on the site - at all. No "hosted by.." or anythin= g. Agreed, but what difference does it make? > Who is willing to take a leadership role in this, and guide the rest to= =20 > goals? Let me remind those who would like to, that this could be a=20 > somewhat time consuming task. I've stepped forth to lead the charge to address the lack of advocacy materials---something I've wanted to do for ~years~ now, which is why I feel I should be the one to lead it. I realize that it will be time consuming, and again, I cannot commit to deadlines. I can promise, however, that it will be done. I can't let things sit idly by and rot away (unless of course it's my personal Web site). :-) > Eric >=20 > --=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology > Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? > ------------------------------------------------------------------ --=20 Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NrYubZTbIaRBRXERAtqmAJ0X3YiOQ4nisINF2tbXM6vMjlHPaQCeNyhd /fqcHbgGaGrtTuRZvwpTAEY= =LhQk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 9:29:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6759C37B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:29:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD1243F3F for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:29:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) id h0SHTfem035375; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:29:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (electron.centtech.com [204.177.173.173]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0SHTdNG035353; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:29:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <3E36BDF9.8010906@centtech.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:29:29 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Anthony C. Chavez" Cc: freebsd-advocacy Subject: Re: Indecisiveness and Domain registrations References: <3E369A04.3050802@centtech.com> <20030128165614.GA76354@anthonychavez.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anthony C. Chavez wrote: > On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 08:56:04AM -0600, Eric Anderson wrote: > >>It looks like a frenzy in the -advocacy list. It appears that many >>people want to take on a leadership type role - but not everyone can do >>that. > > > I wouldn't quite call it a frenzy. I've seen much longer, heated > threads with many more participants. :-) Usually on -chat :) > Now, not to discourage you, but I think you should know that hosting > news about BSD-related advocacy events would be a natural extension for > Daemon News as well. Having bsdevents could have the benefit of some > good, healthy competition, so I'm not opposed to it. bsdevents.org is not a "news" site like daemonnews. It is for all *BSD related events that are happening around the world, and would have areas to sign up to offer help for those events, and post pictures, dates and times of the upcoming events, etc. >>For those who have volunteered to complete things on the To Do list, >>let's decide on due dates. If you don't complete it by that date, then >>we need to know why, and if you need more help to complete the task. > > > Good idea. Unfortunately, I am only going to be able to contribute what > I can whenever I can. I, like many others, have other things to > address, such as work, other projects, etc. So I, for one, cannot > commit to any deadlines. > > However, it is my intention to put together a "to do" list for > advocacy.daemonnews.org of our own, perhaps borrowing a lot of the > points from the list that was submitted to freebsd-advocacy. Sounds like you are duplicating work here, but makes no difference to me. I'm specifically talking about deadlines for the official -advocacy group, not for daemonnews. I'm just saying the person who "leads" should also be able to set some goals. No one here is going to quit their jobs to work full time on freebsd advocacy, and having a goal is far from asking that. >>Who is willing to take a leadership role in this, and guide the rest to >>goals? Let me remind those who would like to, that this could be a >>somewhat time consuming task. > > > I've stepped forth to lead the charge to address the lack of advocacy > materials---something I've wanted to do for ~years~ now, which is why I > feel I should be the one to lead it. I realize that it will be time > consuming, and again, I cannot commit to deadlines. I can promise, > however, that it will be done. I can't let things sit idly by and rot > away (unless of course it's my personal Web site). :-) This is my point exactly - you've wanted to do it for years, and never done it - no big deal, but not a good start for a leader who doesn't want any deadlines for goals. Deadlines don't mean anyone will end up dead or fired, they just help keep people focused.. Oh well, not for me to decide, I'll just go back to -doc work and -www work. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 9:55:13 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0A537B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:55:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (anthonychavez.org [166.70.15.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F5243F3F for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 09:55:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acc@anthonychavez.org) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (acc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0SHt8vw077638; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:55:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from acc@athena.anthonychavez.org) Received: (from acc@localhost) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0SHt8oF077637; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:55:08 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:55:08 -0700 From: "Anthony C. Chavez" To: Eric Anderson Cc: freebsd-advocacy Subject: Re: Indecisiveness and Domain registrations Message-ID: <20030128175507.GA77566@anthonychavez.org> Mail-Followup-To: Eric Anderson , freebsd-advocacy References: <3E369A04.3050802@centtech.com> <20030128165614.GA76354@anthonychavez.org> <3E36BDF9.8010906@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="liOOAslEiF7prFVr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E36BDF9.8010906@centtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.anthonychavez.org/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:29:29AM -0600, Eric Anderson wrote: > Anthony C. Chavez wrote: > >Now, not to discourage you, but I think you should know that hosting > >news about BSD-related advocacy events would be a natural extension for > >Daemon News as well. Having bsdevents could have the benefit of some > >good, healthy competition, so I'm not opposed to it. >=20 > bsdevents.org is not a "news" site like daemonnews. It is for all *BSD=20 > related events that are happening around the world, and would have=20 > areas to sign up to offer help for those events, and post pictures,=20 > dates and times of the upcoming events, etc. All right, I must have had my wires crossed. I stand corrected. > >However, it is my intention to put together a "to do" list for > >advocacy.daemonnews.org of our own, perhaps borrowing a lot of the > >points from the list that was submitted to freebsd-advocacy. >=20 > Sounds like you are duplicating work here, but makes no difference to=20 > me. I'm specifically talking about deadlines for the official -advocacy= =20 > group, not for daemonnews. I'm just saying the person who "leads"=20 > should also be able to set some goals. No one here is going to quit=20 > their jobs to work full time on freebsd advocacy, and having a goal is=20 > far from asking that. Okay, then, we'll just keep one "to do" list. It'd probably make things easier that way, anyway. > >I've stepped forth to lead the charge to address the lack of advocacy > >materials---something I've wanted to do for ~years~ now, which is why I > >feel I should be the one to lead it. I realize that it will be time > >consuming, and again, I cannot commit to deadlines. I can promise, > >however, that it will be done. I can't let things sit idly by and rot > >away (unless of course it's my personal Web site). :-) >=20 > This is my point exactly - you've wanted to do it for years, and never=20 > done it - no big deal, but not a good start for a leader who doesn't=20 > want any deadlines for goals. Deadlines don't mean anyone will end up=20 > dead or fired, they just help keep people focused.. Good point. One for which I don't really have a defense, except the fact that I'm now in a position where I could actually get something done. > Oh well, not for me to decide, I'll just go back to -doc work and -www wo= rk. Sure it is. It's for all of us to decide. It doesn't matter to me what direction this moves. I just thought that I'd step forward and volunteer. If you would rather be our fearless leader, Eric, then again, you're more than welcome to do it. To be honest, I'd almost rather that you did. It's just one less leadership position that I have to worry about---I already have plenty as it is! :-) If you're interested, why not subscribe to the bsd-advocacy mailing list that I've set up, and we'll discuss it there? Again, the signup URL is https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy > Eric >=20 > --=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology > Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? --=20 Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NsP7bZTbIaRBRXERAl1pAJwPT1wtOAWTZlRiyL3xE00Ia7wt7gCfZ4lv wzW7OYJlajq7YowdGOzPOaU= =E0wF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --liOOAslEiF7prFVr-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 11:10: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E04337B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E5143F3F for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from 401.cx (rocky [192.168.0.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0SJ8nP8067500; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:08:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <3E36D56C.3040106@401.cx> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:09:32 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Anthony C. Chavez" Cc: freebsd-advocacy Subject: Re: Indecisiveness and Domain registrations References: <3E369A04.3050802@centtech.com> <20030128165614.GA76354@anthonychavez.org> <3E36BDF9.8010906@centtech.com> <20030128175507.GA77566@anthonychavez.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anthony C. Chavez wrote: *snipped a lot of text* > If you're interested, why not subscribe to the bsd-advocacy mailing list > that I've set up, and we'll discuss it there? Again, the signup URL is > https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy > Pardon if this has been asked before, but what is the difference of the list described above and the already existing freebsd-advocacy? To me it seems like a lot of people are working towards the same goals, but all in different projects. I dont mind several channels of advocacy, but if they all do exactly the same thing I dont really see the point of having more then one. -- R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 11:17:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2604237B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:17:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (anthonychavez.org [166.70.15.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A7743F85 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:17:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acc@anthonychavez.org) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (acc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0SJHcvw078583; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:17:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from acc@athena.anthonychavez.org) Received: (from acc@localhost) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0SJHcHc078582; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:17:38 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:17:38 -0700 From: "Anthony C. Chavez" To: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" Cc: freebsd-advocacy Subject: Re: Indecisiveness and Domain registrations Message-ID: <20030128191738.GA78525@anthonychavez.org> Mail-Followup-To: Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg , freebsd-advocacy References: <3E369A04.3050802@centtech.com> <20030128165614.GA76354@anthonychavez.org> <3E36BDF9.8010906@centtech.com> <20030128175507.GA77566@anthonychavez.org> <3E36D56C.3040106@401.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E36D56C.3040106@401.cx> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.anthonychavez.org/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 08:09:32PM +0100, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > Anthony C. Chavez wrote: >=20 > *snipped a lot of text* >=20 > >If you're interested, why not subscribe to the bsd-advocacy mailing list > >that I've set up, and we'll discuss it there? Again, the signup URL is > >https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy > > >=20 > Pardon if this has been asked before, but what is the difference=20 > of the list described above and the already existing=20 > freebsd-advocacy? Because it's intended to be more than just a mailing list. My goal is to eliminate the work involved in searching for good resources for advocating the BSDs. > To me it seems like a lot of people are working towards the same=20 > goals, but all in different projects. I dont mind several=20 > channels of advocacy, but if they all do exactly the same thing I=20 > dont really see the point of having more then one. That's why, on the bsd-advocacy list, we've settled on using bsdevents.org. > -- > R --=20 Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NtdSbZTbIaRBRXERAon+AJ9NQGX/q41k2YUYH5FQwqKe7Vc0lQCdEoRq 80q/YQZlO44lIOqO29JVfMA= =774G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 12: 2: 3 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7178537B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072A543F3F for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:01:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0SK1mj7006701; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:01:49 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Anthony C. Chavez'" , "'Eric Anderson'" Cc: "'freebsd-advocacy'" Subject: RE: Indecisiveness and Domain registrations Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:01:38 +0100 Message-ID: <004601c2c708$11ba6810$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030128175507.GA77566@anthonychavez.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:29:29AM -0600, Eric Anderson > wrote: > > Anthony C. Chavez wrote: > > >Now, not to discourage you, but I think you should know > that hosting > > >news about BSD-related advocacy events would be a natural > extension for > > >Daemon News as well. Having bsdevents could have the > benefit of some > > >good, healthy competition, so I'm not opposed to it. > > > > bsdevents.org is not a "news" site like daemonnews. It is > for all *BSD > > related events that are happening around the world, and would have > > areas to sign up to offer help for those events, and post pictures, > > dates and times of the upcoming events, etc. > > All right, I must have had my wires crossed. I stand corrected. > > > >However, it is my intention to put together a "to do" list for > > >advocacy.daemonnews.org of our own, perhaps borrowing a lot of the > > >points from the list that was submitted to freebsd-advocacy. > > > > Sounds like you are duplicating work here, but makes no > difference to > > me. I'm specifically talking about deadlines for the > official -advocacy > > group, not for daemonnews. I'm just saying the person who "leads" > > should also be able to set some goals. No one here is > going to quit > > their jobs to work full time on freebsd advocacy, and > having a goal is > > far from asking that. I've offered myself up as a leader for this project.. I agree that there *SHOULD* be some deadlines set, otherwise the "oh, that's going to be done tomorrow" syndrome will set in and NOTHING will get done. As far as quitting my job, that isn't likely to happen anytime soon (since my contract don't run out anytime soon).. Don't worry though, work won't be an issue.. I propose something along the lines of this (after all, we will be dealing with the media, and they like to see people in charge, with titles, etc.. it gives them a big warm fuzzy feeling when they can "cut the crap" and go right to the top of the "food chain").. The FreeBSD Advocacy group should be structured as follows: A core team consisting of not less than 4 people, with at least one person as the overall "head". The core team will be the ones who set the goals, coordinate press releases, etc.. (each member will have a vote on what direction things will go in). The "head" of the team will have an equal vote on issues, but they will also be able to take the initiative and have the ability to "push" things in a given direction (helps keep from forming a deadlock). Using the four person minimum as the base model, each member of the core team will have specific responsibilities to towards the adovcacy project. They are divided as follows (to borrow some stuff from Anthony's post on lead times, etc): Team head: Overall project management/Primary POC Primary advocacy responsibilities: Onlines/Slashdot Core team member #1: In charge of recruting/providing assistance (direction) to new advocates Primary advocacy responsibilities: Magazines Core team member #2: In charge of Primary advocacy responsibilities: Newspapers Core team member #3: In charge of Primary advocacy responsibilities: Trade rags Each core team member will have the authority to speak on behalf of the project itself and act as an official representative for the project (and FreeBSD). They will also have the authority to delegate responsibility to people volunteering to work on the advocacy project (but it does not alleviate them of being overall responsible for what they have delegated.. So, if someone drops the ball..) New core team members can be added ONLY if there is an unanimous vote from all current core team members. This is just an idea.. But I think it's a good starting point on how this should be structured. In the end, whatever is decided upon needs to have the blessing of the FreeBSD core team and an official charter should be done laying down the guidelines for this project.. After all, who wants JSTR (Joe **it the ragman) to be the PR guy for something that you have worked on.. It will also help keep any possible abuses from happening and hopefully quell any arguments that arise. Just my 2 cents. > > Okay, then, we'll just keep one "to do" list. It'd probably > make things > easier that way, anyway. > > > >I've stepped forth to lead the charge to address the lack > of advocacy > > >materials---something I've wanted to do for ~years~ now, > which is why I > > >feel I should be the one to lead it. I realize that it > will be time > > >consuming, and again, I cannot commit to deadlines. I can promise, > > >however, that it will be done. I can't let things sit > idly by and rot > > >away (unless of course it's my personal Web site). :-) > > > > This is my point exactly - you've wanted to do it for > years, and never > > done it - no big deal, but not a good start for a leader > who doesn't > > want any deadlines for goals. Deadlines don't mean anyone > will end up > > dead or fired, they just help keep people focused.. > > Good point. One for which I don't really have a defense, except the > fact that I'm now in a position where I could actually get something > done. > At the risk of sounding like a Usenet troll, "Mee Tooo!!".. > > Oh well, not for me to decide, I'll just go back to -doc > work and -www work. > > Sure it is. It's for all of us to decide. > > It doesn't matter to me what direction this moves. I just > thought that > I'd step forward and volunteer. If you would rather be our fearless > leader, Eric, then again, you're more than welcome to do it. > This almost sounds like sarcasm.. I may be wrong, and apologize if I am.. Please, let's make sure that we don't have this degenerate into something ugly.. This will only turn everyone off to this idea. -Stacy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 12:13:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CC337B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (satanii.enemy.org [62.116.11.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E81D43E4A for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:13:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (shammer@localhost [IPv6:::1]) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0SKDRb0068155 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:13:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from shammer@satanii.enemy.org) Received: (from shammer@localhost) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0SKDQ4E068154 for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:13:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:13:26 +0100 From: Josef El-Rayes To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Indecisiveness and Domain registrations Message-ID: <20030128201326.GB67494@satanii.enemy.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I like the idea for a such a structure stacy olivas proposed. i surely needs to share the work with clearly defined competences. also their should be the "okay" from the fbsd core or whoever is responsible for the image of freebsd to the outside world. greets, josef To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 12:24:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FF037B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:24:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FC443F3F for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:24:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) id h0SKOEgw050739; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:24:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (electron.centtech.com [204.177.173.173]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0SKOCNG050731; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:24:12 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <3E36E6E3.7090406@centtech.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:24:03 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stacy Olivas Cc: "'freebsd-advocacy'" Subject: Re: Indecisiveness and Domain registrations References: <004601c2c708$11ba6810$0502000a@sentinel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stacy Olivas wrote: [.. snip older stuff ..] > I propose something along the lines of this (after all, we will be dealing > with the > media, and they like to see people in charge, with titles, etc.. it gives > them a big > warm fuzzy feeling when they can "cut the crap" and go right to the top of > the "food chain").. I agree.. > The FreeBSD Advocacy group should be structured as follows: > > A core team consisting of not less than 4 people, with at least one person > as the overall "head". The core > team will be the ones who set the goals, coordinate press releases, etc.. > (each member will have a vote on > what direction things will go in). The "head" of the team will have an > equal vote on issues, but they will > also be able to take the initiative and have the ability to "push" things in > a given direction (helps > keep from forming a deadlock). > > Using the four person minimum as the base model, each member of the core > team will have specific > responsibilities to towards the adovcacy project. They are divided as > follows (to borrow some stuff from > Anthony's post on lead times, etc): > > > Team head: > Overall project management/Primary POC > Primary advocacy responsibilities: > Onlines/Slashdot > > Core team member #1: > In charge of recruting/providing assistance (direction) to new advocates > Primary advocacy responsibilities: > Magazines > > Core team member #2: > In charge of > Primary advocacy responsibilities: > Newspapers > > Core team member #3: > In charge of > Primary advocacy responsibilities: > Trade rags I like this idea - however I would be more lenient on who does what tasks in the core group - but that can be sorted out. > Each core team member will have the authority to speak on behalf of the > project itself and act as an > official representative for the project (and FreeBSD). They will also have > the authority to > delegate responsibility to people volunteering to work on the advocacy > project (but it does not > alleviate them of being overall responsible for what they have delegated.. > So, if someone drops the ball..) > > New core team members can be added ONLY if there is an unanimous vote from > all current core team members. Yep.. I like it.. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 12:31:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66F437B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618DA43E4A for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:31:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0SKVBj7006840; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:31:11 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Eric Anderson'" Cc: "'freebsd-advocacy'" Subject: Proposed PR team structure... Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:31:00 +0100 Message-ID: <004a01c2c70c$2c72a100$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3E36E6E3.7090406@centtech.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, that's two for.. who else wants to weigh in on this debate? ---------- I like the idea for a such a structure stacy olivas proposed. i surely needs to share the work with clearly defined competences. also their should be the "okay" from the fbsd core or whoever is responsible for the image of freebsd to the outside world. greets, josef --- > Yep.. I like it.. > > Eric > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 12:33:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7BD37B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:33:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C2643F85 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:33:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) id h0SKXYGM051660 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:33:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (electron.centtech.com [204.177.173.173]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0SKXWNG051652 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:33:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <3E36E913.60107@centtech.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:33:23 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'freebsd-advocacy'" Subject: [Fwd: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Structuring and software] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Woops - wrong email list. :) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Structuring and software Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:31:38 -0600 From: Eric Anderson To: Stacy Olivas CC: bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org References: <004201c2c704$ca256480$0502000a@sentinel> Stacy Olivas wrote: >>On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 12:53:32PM -0600, Eric Anderson >> wrote: >> >>>Anthony C. Chavez wrote: >>> >>>>To Eric and project leaders: >>>> >>>>Josef has just given me an idea, that I think will work >>> >>for everyone >> >>>>involved. >>>> >>>>Could someone offer up a machine to host bsdevents.org? >>> >>Preferably one >> >>>>of the project leaders. Whatever machine the site gets hosted on, >>>>advocacy.daemonnews.org could just redirect to >>> >>bsdevents.org (in case >> >>>>anyone ever uses it). This has the potential of being >>> >>such an important >> >>>>project that it might be deserving of its own domain. >>> >>>Sounds like a good idea.. >>>I can provide a machine, bandwidth, etc. >>> >>>Eric >>> >>>-- >>>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology >>>Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? >>>------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>Excellent. In that case, why don't we nail down who the >>project leaders >>are and get them all shell accounts on your machine? I'll take >>acc@bsdevents.org with tcsh, please. :-) >> > > > I've already offered up myself as a leader for this when I posted the To Do > list on my site. > So, I'll throw my hat into the ring as such.. (I'll post something similar > on the -advocacy list). > > -Stacy Of course, I offer to be a "CORE" member (or whatever you want to call it). So far, I see a few leaders already standing out: Eric Anderson (myself) Stacy Olivas Anthony C. Chavez Josef EL-Rayes I'm not sure if Josef ever said he wanted to be a "leader", but he has definitely said multiple times he wants to help.. Is that our CORE list? It might be good to have an official FreeBSD member (-doc or -advocacy) on the CORE team - maybe Michael Lucas (I know Michael, you are just bored with nothing else to do ;P)? Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? ------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ bsd-advocacy mailing list bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 12:38:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C5D37B408 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:38:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes44.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32FA143F75 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:38:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.179] ([216.232.36.68]) by priv-edtnes44.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030128203822.CAWZ28422.priv-edtnes44.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.179]>; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:38:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Proposed PR team structure... From: Peter To: Stacy Olivas Cc: 'Eric Anderson' , 'freebsd-advocacy' In-Reply-To: <004a01c2c70c$2c72a100$0502000a@sentinel> References: <004a01c2c70c$2c72a100$0502000a@sentinel> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1043786323.680.1.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 28 Jan 2003 12:38:43 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I seem to have lost the post saying about the team structure. But shoot, I'll go for it. On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 12:31, Stacy Olivas wrote: > Ok, that's two for.. who else wants to weigh in on this debate? > > ---------- > > > I like the idea for a such a structure stacy olivas proposed. > > i surely needs to share the work with clearly defined competences. also > their should be the "okay" from the fbsd core or whoever is responsible for > the image of freebsd to the outside world. > > greets, josef > --- > > > > Yep.. I like it.. > > > > Eric > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ - against microsoft attachments To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 12:38:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57EAD37B40A for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E459143F85 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:38:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0SKckj7006879; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:38:47 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Eric Anderson'" , "'freebsd-advocacy'" Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Structuring and software] Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:38:36 +0100 Message-ID: <004c01c2c70d$3bee9930$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3E36E913.60107@centtech.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Of course, I offer to be a "CORE" member (or whatever you want to call > it). So far, I see a few leaders already standing out: > > Eric Anderson (myself) > Stacy Olivas > Anthony C. Chavez > Josef EL-Rayes > > I'm not sure if Josef ever said he wanted to be a "leader", but he has > definitely said multiple times he wants to help.. > > Is that our CORE list? It might be good to have an official FreeBSD > member (-doc or -advocacy) on the CORE team - maybe Michael Lucas (I > know Michael, you are just bored with nothing else to do ;P)? > > Eric > There are a few others out there that we have not heard from yet.. (Willie, where are you :) Before we jump the gun any further, lets give this a day or so to "permeate" the ether and give everyone a chance to weigh in on this. -Stacy > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology > Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > bsd-advocacy mailing list > bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org > https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology > Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 12:44:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DB437B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:44:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C5143F43 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:44:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0SKi6j7006908; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:44:06 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Peter'" Cc: "'freebsd-advocacy'" Subject: RE: Indecisiveness and Domain registrations Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:43:56 +0100 Message-ID: <004f01c2c70d$faa31810$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <004601c2c708$11ba6810$0502000a@sentinel> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter.. here is the message. -Stacy > > > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:29:29AM -0600, Eric Anderson > > wrote: > > > Anthony C. Chavez wrote: > > > >Now, not to discourage you, but I think you should know > > that hosting > > > >news about BSD-related advocacy events would be a natural > > extension for > > > >Daemon News as well. Having bsdevents could have the > > benefit of some > > > >good, healthy competition, so I'm not opposed to it. > > > > > > bsdevents.org is not a "news" site like daemonnews. It is > > for all *BSD > > > related events that are happening around the world, and > would have > > > areas to sign up to offer help for those events, and post > pictures, > > > dates and times of the upcoming events, etc. > > > > All right, I must have had my wires crossed. I stand corrected. > > > > > >However, it is my intention to put together a "to do" list for > > > >advocacy.daemonnews.org of our own, perhaps borrowing a > lot of the > > > >points from the list that was submitted to freebsd-advocacy. > > > > > > Sounds like you are duplicating work here, but makes no > > difference to > > > me. I'm specifically talking about deadlines for the > > official -advocacy > > > group, not for daemonnews. I'm just saying the person who "leads" > > > should also be able to set some goals. No one here is > > going to quit > > > their jobs to work full time on freebsd advocacy, and > > having a goal is > > > far from asking that. > > I've offered myself up as a leader for this project.. I > agree that there > *SHOULD* be some > deadlines set, otherwise the "oh, that's going to be done > tomorrow" syndrome > will set in and > NOTHING will get done. > > As far as quitting my job, that isn't likely to happen > anytime soon (since > my contract don't > run out anytime soon).. Don't worry though, work won't be an issue.. > > I propose something along the lines of this (after all, we > will be dealing > with the > media, and they like to see people in charge, with titles, > etc.. it gives > them a big > warm fuzzy feeling when they can "cut the crap" and go right > to the top of > the "food chain").. > > The FreeBSD Advocacy group should be structured as follows: > > A core team consisting of not less than 4 people, with at > least one person > as the overall "head". The core > team will be the ones who set the goals, coordinate press > releases, etc.. > (each member will have a vote on > what direction things will go in). The "head" of the team > will have an > equal vote on issues, but they will > also be able to take the initiative and have the ability to > "push" things in > a given direction (helps > keep from forming a deadlock). > > Using the four person minimum as the base model, each member > of the core > team will have specific > responsibilities to towards the adovcacy project. They are divided as > follows (to borrow some stuff from > Anthony's post on lead times, etc): > > > Team head: > Overall project management/Primary POC > Primary advocacy responsibilities: > Onlines/Slashdot > > Core team member #1: > In charge of recruting/providing assistance (direction) > to new advocates > Primary advocacy responsibilities: > Magazines > > Core team member #2: > In charge of > Primary advocacy responsibilities: > Newspapers > > Core team member #3: > In charge of > Primary advocacy responsibilities: > Trade rags > > Each core team member will have the authority to speak on > behalf of the > project itself and act as an > official representative for the project (and FreeBSD). They > will also have > the authority to > delegate responsibility to people volunteering to work on the advocacy > project (but it does not > alleviate them of being overall responsible for what they > have delegated.. > So, if someone drops the ball..) > > New core team members can be added ONLY if there is an > unanimous vote from > all current core team members. > > This is just an idea.. But I think it's a good starting point > on how this > should be structured. In the end, > whatever is decided upon needs to have the blessing of the > FreeBSD core team > and an official charter should > be done laying down the guidelines for this project.. After > all, who wants > JSTR (Joe **it the ragman) to be > the PR guy for something that you have worked on.. It will > also help keep > any possible abuses from happening > and hopefully quell any arguments that arise. > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > Okay, then, we'll just keep one "to do" list. It'd probably > > make things > > easier that way, anyway. > > > > > >I've stepped forth to lead the charge to address the lack > > of advocacy > > > >materials---something I've wanted to do for ~years~ now, > > which is why I > > > >feel I should be the one to lead it. I realize that it > > will be time > > > >consuming, and again, I cannot commit to deadlines. I > can promise, > > > >however, that it will be done. I can't let things sit > > idly by and rot > > > >away (unless of course it's my personal Web site). :-) > > > > > > This is my point exactly - you've wanted to do it for > > years, and never > > > done it - no big deal, but not a good start for a leader > > who doesn't > > > want any deadlines for goals. Deadlines don't mean anyone > > will end up > > > dead or fired, they just help keep people focused.. > > > > Good point. One for which I don't really have a defense, except the > > fact that I'm now in a position where I could actually get something > > done. > > > > At the risk of sounding like a Usenet troll, "Mee Tooo!!".. > > > > Oh well, not for me to decide, I'll just go back to -doc > > work and -www work. > > > > Sure it is. It's for all of us to decide. > > > > > > It doesn't matter to me what direction this moves. I just > > thought that > > I'd step forward and volunteer. If you would rather be our fearless > > leader, Eric, then again, you're more than welcome to do it. > > > This almost sounds like sarcasm.. I may be wrong, and > apologize if I am.. > > Please, let's make sure that we don't have this degenerate > into something > ugly.. This will only turn > everyone off to this idea. > > > > > -Stacy > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 12:46:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F74B37B405 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:46:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D4543F3F for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:46:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) id h0SKkr0u053119; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:46:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (electron.centtech.com [204.177.173.173]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0SKkpNG053112; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:46:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <3E36EC32.2010300@centtech.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:46:42 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stacy Olivas Cc: "'freebsd-advocacy'" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Structuring and software] References: <004c01c2c70d$3bee9930$0502000a@sentinel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stacy Olivas wrote: > > >>Of course, I offer to be a "CORE" member (or whatever you want to call >>it). So far, I see a few leaders already standing out: >> >>Eric Anderson (myself) >>Stacy Olivas >>Anthony C. Chavez >>Josef EL-Rayes >> >>I'm not sure if Josef ever said he wanted to be a "leader", but he has >>definitely said multiple times he wants to help.. >> >>Is that our CORE list? It might be good to have an official FreeBSD >>member (-doc or -advocacy) on the CORE team - maybe Michael Lucas (I >>know Michael, you are just bored with nothing else to do ;P)? >> > > There are a few others out there that we have not heard from yet.. (Willie, > where are you :) > > Before we jump the gun any further, lets give this a day or so to "permeate" > the ether and give > everyone a chance to weigh in on this. Sure.. until then, I'll be getting a machine up and running for bsdevents.org. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 13: 5:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821C337B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360F743E4A for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:05:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0SL5fj7007040 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:05:42 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" Cc: "'freebsd-advocacy'" Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Structuring and software] Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:05:31 +0100 Message-ID: <005301c2c710$fe6f5af0$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3E36EC32.2010300@centtech.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >>Of course, I offer to be a "CORE" member (or whatever you > want to call > >>it). So far, I see a few leaders already standing out: > >> > >>Eric Anderson (myself) > >>Stacy Olivas > >>Anthony C. Chavez > >>Josef EL-Rayes > >> > >>I'm not sure if Josef ever said he wanted to be a "leader", > but he has > >>definitely said multiple times he wants to help.. > >> > >>Is that our CORE list? It might be good to have an official FreeBSD > >>member (-doc or -advocacy) on the CORE team - maybe Michael Lucas (I > >>know Michael, you are just bored with nothing else to do ;P)? > >> > > > > There are a few others out there that we have not heard > from yet.. (Willie, > > where are you :) > > > > Before we jump the gun any further, lets give this a day or > so to "permeate" > > the ether and give > > everyone a chance to weigh in on this. > > Sure.. until then, I'll be getting a machine up and running for > bsdevents.org. > > Eric > Don't forget Peter Kieser [pfak@telus.net] Here are a list of people who have shown that they want (at least in this thread) something to do with the FreeBSD PR (not in any type of order-- someone please correct me if I left anybody out): Peter Keiser Eric Anderson Josef El-Rayes Willie Viljoen Anthony Chavez Other people who have shown an interest (but not necessarily on the list, not in order, and probably not inclusive.. someone please correct me): Linh Pham Dave Pimlott (as a tech POC in the UK) Daniel Gracia Giorgos Keramidas (gave positive feedback on PR submitted on new interest in advocacy) Gary W. Swearingen (good feedback on a few things that I left off the To Do list and still haven't put on -- but I haven't forgotten about yet!) Who are we missing? I haven't added Terry or Michael.. Who else? -Stacy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 13:21:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACEF337B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:21:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net (outbound02.telus.net [199.185.220.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC8743F85 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:21:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.179] ([216.232.36.68]) by priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030128212118.NWSR21763.priv-edtnes09-hme0.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.179]> for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:21:18 -0700 Subject: BSD Advocacy Todo List From: Peter Cc: 'freebsd-advocacy' In-Reply-To: <005301c2c710$fe6f5af0$0502000a@sentinel> References: <005301c2c710$fe6f5af0$0502000a@sentinel> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1043788899.680.4.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 28 Jan 2003 13:21:39 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Here's some stuff I've put together, more coming soon: Some things that people have suggested in general: * Create and maintain a database of tech editors/writers, feeding them not just story ideas, but perhaps a 6x/yearly BSD update sheet that includes stats, factoids, contacts for specific BSD-migration success stories, etc. * Get the folks that admin the FreeBSD project site to give us some space for the "Media Centre" on the site. * Develop a "BSD champion's kit" that gives less-than-eloquent techies everything they need to speak the good word and/or write the good company memo regarding the OS. ("Dude, this rules!" does not generally impress CTOs) * Begin developing a master list of major BSD vendors/consultants who can be used as local contact/quotable sources in regional computing publications. * Second, ponder FreeBSD's strengths. Make a list of what would appear to the public, to nerds, and to suits. Ponder some more. Then post it to the mailing list. * We could also use a set of FreeBSD presentations and scripts for presentations. I've been asked to speak about FreeBSD before, and always had to whip out MagicPoint and cobble something up myself. There are people out there who are much better at these things than I, however. * There should be centrally downloadable "official" posters and stuff for promoting FreeBSD at conventions, meetings etc. It would not be hard for some graphically gifted (I'm not:) guy to compose posters describing in _very_ general terms how FreeBSD can be used in many walks of life. Perfect for putting on the door of offices, and on walls. Also, make it in a format that people can easily print it in, such as PDF or JPEG. * Submit updates to the "In The Press" page. rwatson sent out a nice list of links, which I'm going to count as one set of updates. Make sure your patches are clean, meaning that they apply cleanly, and don't break the Web build. * Actually writing press releases that get out to the media, we're talking CNET, not Slashdot or other OSDN sites (Even though slashdot hates BSD users) We have some old press releases in the tree now, in the press directory. -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ - against microsoft attachments To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 13:30: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD6C37B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:30:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2658E43FAF for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:30:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0SLU3NS093478 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:30:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0SLU3A7093477; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:30:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B09B37B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:27:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B76B43F85 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:27:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from digiflux.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0SLR7j7007250 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:27:14 +0100 (CET) Received: (from root@localhost) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.3/Submit) id h0SLR7iO007249; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:27:07 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200301282127.h0SLR7iO007249@digiflux.org> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:27:07 +0100 (CET) From: Stacy Olivas Reply-To: Stacy Olivas To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: advocacy/47606: The advocacy push continues.. FreeBSD PR team proposed... News at 11. Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Number: 47606 >Category: advocacy >Synopsis: The advocacy push continues.. FreeBSD PR team proposed... News at 11. >Confidential: no >Severity: critical >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jan 28 13:30:02 PST 2003 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Stacy Olivas (olivas@digiflux.org) >Release: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD digiflux.org 4.7-STABLE FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #7: Thu Dec 26 17:18:28 CET 2002 olivas@digiflux.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/Digiflux i386 >Description: 29 January 2003: In the span of just a few days, the newly rekindled spirit of the FreeBSD adovcates seems to be at the point of making a breakthrough. What is the breakthrough? The proposed formation of the FreeBSD PR team that has been officially sanctioned by the FreeBSD core team itself. Dicussions arose as to who would be the leader of this effort? Several people have stepped forward and tossed their "hats" into the ring. The "proposed" structure of this team (that has so far meet the approval of a few -advocacy mailing list participants) is as follows: The FreeBSD Advocacy group should be structured as follows: A core team consisting of not less than 4 people, with at least one person as the overall "head". The core team will be the ones who set the goals, coordinate press releases, etc.. (each member will have a vote on what direction things will go in). The "head" of the team will have an equal vote on issues, but they will also be able to take the initiative and have the ability to "push" things in a given direction (helps keep from forming a deadlock). Using the four person minimum as the base model, each member of the core team will have specific responsibilities to towards the adovcacy project. They are divided as follows (to borrow some stuff from Anthony's post on lead times, etc): Team head: Overall project management/Primary POC Primary advocacy responsibilities: Onlines/Slashdot Core team member #1: In charge of recruting/providing assistance (direction) to new advocates Primary advocacy responsibilities: Magazines Core team member #2: In charge of Primary advocacy responsibilities: Newspapers Core team member #3: In charge of Primary advocacy responsibilities: Trade rags Each core team member will have the authority to speak on behalf of the project itself and act as an official representative for the project (and FreeBSD). They will also have the authority to delegate responsibility to people volunteering to work on the advocacy project (but it does not alleviate them of being overall responsible for what they have delegated.. So, if someone drops the ball..) New core team members can be added ONLY if there is an unanimous vote from all current core team members. Q: Why are we even bothering forming another layer of bureacracy for FreeBSD? Isn't the project kinda bloated as it is with "team members"? A: This isn't official yet (not until the core team gives it's approval for such a thing. It's being formed so that there is a recognizable entity that can be put out as the PR dept for FreeBSD. Q: Who cares? I've been trolling these lists for years and people like you come and go everyday. A: I care. And you are wrong. *WE* will succeed where others have failed. Q: Why? A: Because we can. Q: How? A: Any way we can. Q: When A: Now... >How-To-Repeat: Subscribe to the freebsd-advocacy mailing list and join in! >Fix: Advocate FreeBSD until you are blue in the face! Go find someone who's building a new machine, introduce then to FreeBSD and go from there. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 13:35:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210EA37B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B4343F79 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:35:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0SLZIj7007304 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:35:18 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: Subject: Yet another PR Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:35:07 +0100 Message-ID: <005401c2c715$218462c0$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, Since this seems to draw attention from elsewhere, I've submitted a PR on the proposed creation of a FreeBSD PR team.. It can be found here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=47606 Let's see who's attention this draws.. :) -Stacy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 13:39:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C00937B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:39:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115AA43F3F for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:39:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0SLdEj7007320 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:39:14 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: Subject: RE: Yet another PR Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:39:03 +0100 Message-ID: <005501c2c715$ae213e10$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <005401c2c715$218462c0$0502000a@sentinel> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Ok, > Since this seems to draw attention from elsewhere, I've > submitted a PR on > the proposed creation of a FreeBSD > PR team.. > > It can be found here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=47606 Hmm, I thought I got rid of all those spelling errors.. Must be getting tired. :) Sorry. > > > Let's see who's attention this draws.. :) > > -Stacy > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 13:54:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB9B37B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE9B43F93 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:54:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) id h0SLsaGr059374; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:54:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (electron.centtech.com [204.177.173.173]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0SLsYNG059367; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:54:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <3E36FC12.50708@centtech.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:54:26 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paladdin Cc: bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org, "'freebsd-advocacy'" Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Hi there! References: <20030128183744.GA77955@daemonnews.org> <3E36D1AC.8030500@centtech.com> <007801c2c704$25ebc440$0298220a@pulsar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Daniel! I'd like to see a spanish version of all the advocacy materials.. Since this is kind of the "new beginning" of the -advocacy campaign, I'd like to ask you to hang out in the email lists and keep a close eye for the next two weeks. Thanks for the translation offer - it would be a great addition to the FreeBSD advocacy project. Eric Paladdin wrote: > Hello, world! > > I'm Daniel Gracia, a.k.a. Paladdin. I wish to join your group from Spain. > > Just writting to present myself, and offer my little grain of sand into this > sunny beach.What do you think about making info available in spanish? A wide > and interesting audience :))) I could act as translator, and maybe help > programming C... :) > > Regards, > > Paladdin > > > > ___________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Móviles > Personaliza tu móvil con tu logo y melodía favorito > en http://moviles.yahoo.es > _______________________________________________ > bsd-advocacy mailing list > bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org > https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 14:45:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BFED37B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:45:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (milan.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D921B43F85 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:45:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) by milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5CFC1DC; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:45:05 +0100 (CET) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 552A345E2; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:45:04 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:45:03 +0100 From: Christian Brueffer To: "Anthony C. Chavez" Cc: Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg , freebsd-advocacy Subject: Re: Indecisiveness and Domain registrations Message-ID: <20030128224503.GT54604@unixpages.org> References: <3E369A04.3050802@centtech.com> <20030128165614.GA76354@anthonychavez.org> <3E36BDF9.8010906@centtech.com> <20030128175507.GA77566@anthonychavez.org> <3E36D56C.3040106@401.cx> <20030128191738.GA78525@anthonychavez.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xd9y+pRso0hzCdjI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030128191738.GA78525@anthonychavez.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT X-PGP-Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --xd9y+pRso0hzCdjI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 12:17:38PM -0700, Anthony C. Chavez wrote: > On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 08:09:32PM +0100, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > > Anthony C. Chavez wrote: > >=20 > > *snipped a lot of text* > >=20 > > >If you're interested, why not subscribe to the bsd-advocacy mailing li= st > > >that I've set up, and we'll discuss it there? Again, the signup URL is > > >https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy > > > > >=20 > > Pardon if this has been asked before, but what is the difference=20 > > of the list described above and the already existing=20 > > freebsd-advocacy? >=20 > Because it's intended to be more than just a mailing list. My goal is > to eliminate the work involved in searching for good resources for > advocating the BSDs. >=20 > > To me it seems like a lot of people are working towards the same=20 > > goals, but all in different projects. I dont mind several=20 > > channels of advocacy, but if they all do exactly the same thing I=20 > > dont really see the point of having more then one. >=20 > That's why, on the bsd-advocacy list, we've settled on using > bsdevents.org. >=20 For bsdevents.org, let's not forget to include NetBSD, OpenBSD and Darwin. Especially the OpenBSD guys have quite some advocacy stuff ready to show. Good points of contact would be Wim Vandeputte (wvdputte@openbsd.org) and Hubert Feyrer (hubertf@netbsd.org) as they're very active in advocating their respective projects on various events. - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --xd9y+pRso0hzCdjI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NwfvbHYXjKDtmC0RAlFQAJ9ltttWD0namgA6dOXa/tD+F01QvgCgvj9x YeGPeXhvTIdds4+MNMPyki0= =1/Pp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xd9y+pRso0hzCdjI-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 14:53:11 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CA537B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from papagena.rockefeller.edu (papagena.rockefeller.edu [129.85.41.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2E243F3F for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:53:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsidd@papagena.rockefeller.edu) Received: (from rsidd@localhost) by papagena.rockefeller.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h0SMr3o01449; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:53:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:53:03 -0500 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Terry Lambert Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... Message-ID: <20030128175303.C31123@papagena.rockefeller.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3E35CA7C.E8618837@mindspring.com> X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.9-12smp i686 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > So I relay my outbound email from my "Mindspring" address through > an "EarthLink" SMTP relay server. > > And the PR email is rejected, because some moron decided that the > email address domain name has to match the relay server domain > name. Is this very recent (ie, since Jan 11 this year)? I'm an earthlink customer too. I use my @online.fr email address because the spammers already know that address. I have submitted PRs via send-pr, relayed through the earthlink SMTP server (or similar setups), with no problem. The most recent was ports/46985 on Jan 11. (I assume you mean your PR was rejected by the FreeBSD server, not by Earthlink, otherwise your regular mail wouldn't get through either.) - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 14:55:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D4437B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0141743F3F for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:55:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rwh@attbi.com) Received: from 12-251-57-159.client.attbi.com ([12.251.57.159]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with SMTP id <2003012822552000300jm5pbe>; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:55:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:52:36 -0600 (CST) From: "r.w.h" X-X-Sender: rwh@mech.homeunix.org To: Peter Cc: 'freebsd-advocacy' Subject: Re: BSD Advocacy Todo List In-Reply-To: <1043788899.680.4.camel@sharpie> Message-ID: <20030128164932.L27674@mech.homeunix.org> References: <005301c2c710$fe6f5af0$0502000a@sentinel> <1043788899.680.4.camel@sharpie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter much agreed on most of the list. oh well time to get some work done. talk to you later. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 15:10:11 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA5837B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1C043E4A for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:10:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0SNA4NS032396 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:10:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0SNA3Ys032395; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:10:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:10:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200301282310.h0SNA3Ys032395@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Cc: From: "Marc G. Fournier" Subject: Re: advocacy/47606: The advocacy push continues.. FreeBSD PR team proposed... News at 11. Reply-To: "Marc G. Fournier" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The following reply was made to PR advocacy/47606; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Stacy Olivas Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: advocacy/47606: The advocacy push continues.. FreeBSD PR team proposed... News at 11. Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 19:01:42 -0400 (AST) Not sure if responding to this is acceptable, but ... > A core team consisting of not less than 4 people, with at > least one person as the overall "head". The core > team will be the ones who set the goals, coordinate press > releases, etc.. the more members of a committee, the less that ever gets done ... may I put forth that there is a max # as well, of 4? This isn't to say they are the only ones working on it, but its those that are steering the direction of it ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 16:19: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A762737B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:19:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A69543F75 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:19:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0128.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.128] helo=mindspring.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18dfsZ-0005QD-00; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:15:00 -0800 Message-ID: <3E371CAB.B8CAADE1@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:13:31 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Francisco J Reyes Cc: Willie Viljoen , "Anthony C. Chavez" , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some corrections about freebsdnews.org References: <20030128114357.N57158-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a41af652a92d6e04d89b6f4952f3ed5f73a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Francisco J Reyes wrote: > On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Willie Viljoen wrote: > > On Monday 27 January 2003 20:57, Anthony C. Chavez wrote: > > > Your description of freebsdnews sounds ~exactly~ like Daemon News, > > > except that it sounds like you're going to focus on FreeBSD rather than > > > the BSDs as a whole. > > > > Well, there's no reason why we can't colaborate, ie, some portions of > > freebsdnews.org just redirects people to the appropriate part of DN, and the > > rest does things like the freebsd-specific factoid things, etc. > > My personal opinion is that the BSD community would be better served if > you worked with the daemonnews group. We as a community keep coming up > with many small and splintered projects instead of trying to consolidate > and strengthen the existing endeavours. Here is a secret: one of the primary components of any Open Source project is it's community. THe forums in which the community communicates both shape and limit what the community is capable of doing. Adding forums adds space to a community. Like a plant, a community can only grow as large as it's container allows it. The purpose of advocacy is, in fact, to grow the community, but it can not be effective without overlapping contact points with potential new members. Adding forums provides for that overlap, by adding diversity. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 16:36:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160EF37B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (anthonychavez.org [166.70.15.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BAD443F9B for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:36:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acc@anthonychavez.org) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (acc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0T0Zuvw081779; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:35:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from acc@athena.anthonychavez.org) Received: (from acc@localhost) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0T0Zt7e081778; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:35:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:35:55 -0700 From: "Anthony C. Chavez" To: Christian Brueffer Cc: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" , freebsd-advocacy Subject: Re: Indecisiveness and Domain registrations Message-ID: <20030129003555.GA81629@anthonychavez.org> Mail-Followup-To: Christian Brueffer , Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg , freebsd-advocacy References: <3E369A04.3050802@centtech.com> <20030128165614.GA76354@anthonychavez.org> <3E36BDF9.8010906@centtech.com> <20030128175507.GA77566@anthonychavez.org> <3E36D56C.3040106@401.cx> <20030128191738.GA78525@anthonychavez.org> <20030128224503.GT54604@unixpages.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030128224503.GT54604@unixpages.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.anthonychavez.org/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:45:03PM +0100, Christian Brueffer wrote: > For bsdevents.org, let's not forget to include NetBSD, OpenBSD and > Darwin. Especially the OpenBSD guys have quite some advocacy stuff > ready to show. > Good points of contact would be Wim Vandeputte (wvdputte@openbsd.org) > and Hubert Feyrer (hubertf@netbsd.org) as they're very active in > advocating their respective projects on various events. >=20 > - Christian >=20 > --=20 > Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org > GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc > GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D That has been my intention all along. Thanks very much for the contacts. --=20 Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+NyHrbZTbIaRBRXERAhtYAKCAV1ZQUCwx28lZiwnxQ+5rul/aQQCeNSh1 qdofpgXSCHX0gQeneFj13Uo= =wzsb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 16:48:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FA837B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7574E43F85 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:48:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0128.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.128] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18dgOj-0003pW-00; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:48:14 -0800 Message-ID: <3E37246E.B3A4A111@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:46:38 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... References: <20030128175303.C31123@papagena.rockefeller.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a402c0b40a51803d6075cae3803c196a06666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > Terry Lambert wrote: > > So I relay my outbound email from my "Mindspring" address through > > an "EarthLink" SMTP relay server. > > > > And the PR email is rejected, because some moron decided that the > > email address domain name has to match the relay server domain > > name. > > Is this very recent (ie, since Jan 11 this year)? No, it's been doing it for a very long time. > I'm an earthlink customer too. I use my @online.fr email address > because the spammers already know that address. > > I have submitted PRs via send-pr, relayed through the earthlink SMTP > server (or similar setups), with no problem. The most recent was > ports/46985 on Jan 11. > > (I assume you mean your PR was rejected by the FreeBSD server, not by > Earthlink, otherwise your regular mail wouldn't get through either.) Your mail server over there is probably not on the send-pr blacklist that it's using. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 18:58:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2624637B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F30E43F79 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:58:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b235.otenet.gr [212.205.244.243]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0T2wJRR019797; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:58:21 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0T2wJ7k010311; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:58:19 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0T2wJP3010310; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:58:19 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:58:19 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Stacy Olivas Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Yet another PR Message-ID: <20030129025819.GC660@gothmog.gr> References: <005401c2c715$218462c0$0502000a@sentinel> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <005401c2c715$218462c0$0502000a@sentinel> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2003-01-28 22:35, Stacy Olivas wrote: > Ok, > Since this seems to draw attention from elsewhere, I've submitted a > PR on the proposed creation of a FreeBSD PR team.. That's not "Problem Report team" right? > It can be found here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=47606 Ah, I see. Well, may I chime in here and ask that 'PR' is not used without at least one detailed explanation of the term in advocacy stuff? It can be confusing when the same acronym is used for referring to "problem reports" in the FreeBSD gnats database. "Public relations" should be mentioned at least once, every time the acronym refers to this particular interpretation. Please? :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 21: 1:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBBE37B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2917443F9B for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:01:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0T4xtj7009192; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 05:59:56 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Giorgos Keramidas'" Cc: Subject: RE: Yet another PR Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 05:59:44 +0100 Message-ID: <009901c2c753$3e0e9030$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030129025819.GC660@gothmog.gr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On 2003-01-28 22:35, Stacy Olivas wrote: > > Ok, > > Since this seems to draw attention from elsewhere, I've submitted a > > PR on the proposed creation of a FreeBSD PR team.. > > That's not "Problem Report team" right? Nope, it's Public Relations.. :) Kinda funny how a bug report utility is being used to advocate FreeBSD. :) > > > It can be found here: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=47606 > > Ah, I see. Well, may I chime in here and ask that 'PR' is not used > without at least one detailed explanation of the term in advocacy > stuff? It can be confusing when the same acronym is used for > referring to "problem reports" in the FreeBSD gnats database. > > "Public relations" should be mentioned at least once, every time the > acronym refers to this particular interpretation. Please? :) > No problem. :) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 21:39:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA0337B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:39:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8213243F75 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:39:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0T5dXj7009378; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 06:39:34 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: Cc: Subject: Who are we missing here? Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 06:39:22 +0100 Message-ID: <000101c2c758$c79f4ab0$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We'll try this again: Here are all the people who have expressed interest in the advocacy project: Peter Keiser Eric Anderson Josef El-Rayes Willie Viljoen Anthony Chavez Linh Pham Dave Pimlott (as a tech POC in the UK) Daniel Gracia Giorgos Keramidas (gave positive feedback on PR submitted on new interest in advocacy) Gary W. Swearingen (good feedback on a few things that I left off the To Do list and still haven't put on -- but I haven't forgotten about yet!) Marc G. Fournier (made a suggestion about the proposed PubRel team) Christian Brueffer (pointed out that we shouldn't forget the rest of the *BSD family) Joshua Steele Who are we missing? I haven't added Terry or Michael.. Who else? (Note: I am putting not only the names of people who have been very active in the discussions on the list(s), but those who sent either to me or the list(s) comments on the advocacy project). -Stacy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 22:15: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E934137B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:15:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from web11806.mail.yahoo.com (web11806.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.160]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9725E43F9B for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:15:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030129061500.28873.qmail@web11806.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [211.28.96.5] by web11806.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:15:00 PST Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:15:00 -0800 (PST) From: Haikal Saadh Subject: TODO list extensions To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <005301c2c710$fe6f5af0$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello. If anyone is so inclined, could we take a 'freshports' type approach to the advocacy TODO list? I.e have a daily/weekly/monthly/whatever mailing list sent out to subscribers showing: *) New tasks *) Tasks that have been updated over the last $period. Give option for all, or a selected tasks...(like the watch lists) Yeah, just like 'freshports', but for todo lists. That way, those who are interested can help in a timely manner, and will keep the signal:noise better for everyone else. Any takers? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 22:17:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4FDC37B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes44.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C47443F79 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:17:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.179] ([216.232.36.68]) by priv-edtnes44.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030129061715.XUYM28422.priv-edtnes44.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.179]>; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:17:15 -0700 Subject: Re: TODO list extensions From: Peter To: Haikal Saadh Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20030129061500.28873.qmail@web11806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030129061500.28873.qmail@web11806.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1043821057.989.10.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 28 Jan 2003 22:17:37 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This sounds like a good idea, but I still have to build the website, etc. This is going to take alot of planning before we start doing the stuff, as to make sure that we all have assigned jobs. Heck, the todo list is a job in itself. On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 22:15, Haikal Saadh wrote: > Hello. > > If anyone is so inclined, could we take a 'freshports' type approach > to the advocacy TODO list? I.e have a daily/weekly/monthly/whatever > mailing list sent out to subscribers showing: > *) New tasks > *) Tasks that have been updated over the last $period. Give option > for > all, or a selected tasks...(like the watch lists) > > Yeah, just like 'freshports', but for todo lists. > > That way, those who are interested can help in a timely manner, and > will keep the signal:noise better for everyone else. > > Any takers? > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ - against microsoft attachments To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jan 28 22:18:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C6037B401 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82EE43F3F for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:18:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from question+advocacy@closedsrc.org) Received: by q.closedsrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EF289549D; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:18:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:18:05 -0800 From: Linh Pham To: Stacy Olivas Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org Subject: Re: Who are we missing here? Message-ID: <20030129061805.GA73992@q.closedsrc.org> References: <000101c2c758$c79f4ab0$0502000a@sentinel> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KsGdsel6WgEHnImy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000101c2c758$c79f4ab0$0502000a@sentinel> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: closedsrc.org Mail-Copies-To: poster X-PGP-Key: http://olosecsrc.org/~question/pubkey.asc" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003-01-29 06:39 +0100, Stacy Olivas wrote: # We'll try this again: #=20 # Here are all the people who have expressed interest in the advocacy proje= ct: #=20 # [snip] # Linh Pham # [snip] #=20 # (Note: I am putting not only the names of people who have been very active # in the discussions on # the list(s), but those who sent either to me or the list(s) comments on t= he # advocacy project). I am willing to be of any help on maintaining which ever sites are setup for FreeBSD/BSD Advocacy... I can also provide some help with proofreading pages and the like. On the technical side, I'm relatively strong on HTML and CSS, as well as PHP. The only problem is that I may not have a whole lot of time over the next couple of weeks, but I should be available for some stuff. There is probably no way that I could be part of the Core team :) --=20 Linh Pham question+advocacy@closedsrc.org Webmaster and FreeBSD Geek http://closedsrc.org Apprentice Manager Editor and Writer http://www.daemonnews.org Courage: The things I do for love | And So Western Civilization Crumbles --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+N3IdwhofDeWkDMIRAgXIAKCRnrRhuD0VSz7SGBO+9X06CbsIFwCfRhPJ jG1zeiiYRsis2NgR6K8Xi1A= =6o24 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 1:53:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF8337B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 01:53:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C980943E4A for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 01:53:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from digiflux.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0T9rQj7010143; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:53:38 +0100 (CET) From: Stacy Olivas Received: from 213.96.162.21 (proxying for 192.168.0.29) (SquirrelMail authenticated user olivas) by digiflux.org with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:53:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <59467.213.96.162.21.1043834018.squirrel@digiflux.org> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:53:38 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: TODO list extensions To: In-Reply-To: <1043821057.989.10.camel@sharpie> References: <20030129061500.28873.qmail@web11806.mail.yahoo.com> <1043821057.989.10.camel@sharpie> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Cc: , X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.10) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This sounds like a good idea, but I still have to build the website, > etc. This is going to take alot of planning before we start doing the > stuff, as to make sure that we all have assigned jobs. Heck, the todo > list is a job in itself. > I agree.. In the interim, I have no problems using the initial To Do list that I put to record what we have. Then, once everything else gets put into motion, we can do what we need to with it. :) > On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 22:15, Haikal Saadh wrote: >> Hello. >> >> If anyone is so inclined, could we take a 'freshports' type approach >> to the advocacy TODO list? I.e have a daily/weekly/monthly/whatever >> mailing list sent out to subscribers showing: >> *) New tasks >> *) Tasks that have been updated over the last $period. Give option for >> all, or a selected tasks...(like the watch lists) >> >> Yeah, just like 'freshports', but for todo lists. >> >> That way, those who are interested can help in a timely manner, and >> will keep the signal:noise better for everyone else. >> >> Any takers? >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. >> http://mailplus.yahoo.com >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > -- > Peter Kieser > pfak@telus.net > > () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > /\ - against microsoft attachments > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 7:56:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2D937B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:56:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683A543F85 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:56:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0TFuJc4011464 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:56:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0TFuJLr011463 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:56:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:56:19 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: wherever the advocacy to-do list winds up... Message-ID: <20030129105619.A11444@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm doing official FreeBSD press releases, and answering press@FreeBSD.org. press@ is a point of contact for "official mainstream journalists," whatever that means. ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Absolute BSD: http://www.AbsoluteBSD.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 10:33:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BF8A37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:33:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C1D43F9B for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:33:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0TIXhj7012178; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:33:43 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: Cc: Subject: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:33:31 +0100 Message-ID: <002601c2c7c4$ed66cd10$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, Here is what I promised earlier.. Please look it over and rip it apart.. :) Once this gets hammered out, we can ask someone (maybe Micahel Lucas) to present this and get this officially approved to be part of the project. -Stacy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- (Proposed) FreeBSD Public Relations Project Team Charter (Draft): The following document is a draft of the FreeBSD Public Relations project charter. 1. Purpose. The purpose of the FreeBSD Public Relations project (called PubRel) is to inform the world about the existance of the FreeBSD Operationg system. It will be the primary point of contact on all publicity matters for the FreeBSD OS. 2. Responsibilities. The FreeBSD PubRel team will be responsible for: a. Coordination of all press releases for the FreeBSD project (on-line, print, etc). b. Maintain an up-to-date press kit on FreeBSD, which will allow any technical or non-technical person understand the advantages FreeBSD has over other OS's. c. Act as the primary point of contact on all FreeBSD advocating activities, to in include (but not limited to): organizing of booths or other public presentations, sponsoring presentations given by various individuals/organizations, etc. d. Recruting new people as advocates for the FreeBSD OS. e. Monitoring all media outlets (to their best of their abilities) and collecting any information found on FreeBSD for use in press releases, etc. f. Promoting a positive image of FreeBSD to the world. g. Act as the primary points of contact with all media outlets for the FreeBSD project. h. Work with the other parts of the FreeBSD project (core team, release engineering team, etc) and with the FreeBSD foundation in developing promotional materials for distribution. 3. Organization. a. The PubRel team will consist of not less than four (4) core team members. b. Each of these core team members will share an equal vote on all matters related to the project. c. One member will be designated as the "head" of the PubRel project, and as such be able to push the project in a given direction to help keep from forming a deadlock. d. Each core team member will have specific responsibilities assignem to them. These responsibilities are as follows: (1) Team Head (a) Overall project management and primary point of contact\ (b) Responsible for press releases to on-line media outlets (including Slashdot) (2) Team member #1 (a) Rrcruting new advocates and providing assistance to advocates (b) Responsible for press releases to Magazines (print, exclusing trade publications) (3) Team member #2 (a) (b) Responsible for press releases to Newspapers (4) Team member #3 (a) (b) Responsible for press releases to Trade Publications e. New core team members can be added only upon a unanimous vote from all current team members. f. Team members can only be removed upon a unanimous vote from all current team members and a minimum of 3 votes from the current FreeBSD project core team. 4. Reporting requirements. The PubRel team will be directly responsible to the FreeBSD core team and, as such will be required to provide the core team with quarterly updates on their activities. Invluding (but not limited to: a. Number of press releases that were released (and to what type of media outlet) b. Number of press releases that were used (who and when) c. Progress on any current projects. d. Submit copies of all press releases via send-pr with a copy posted to the -advocacy list To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 10:39:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E8D37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:39:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net (outbound02.telus.net [199.185.220.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1732843F3F for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:39:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.179] ([216.232.36.68]) by priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030129183949.OTRG5251.priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.179]>; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:39:49 -0700 Subject: Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter From: Peter To: Stacy Olivas Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org In-Reply-To: <002601c2c7c4$ed66cd10$0502000a@sentinel> References: <002601c2c7c4$ed66cd10$0502000a@sentinel> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1043865612.677.0.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 29 Jan 2003 10:40:12 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG That sounds great. Probably would get accepted. On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 10:33, Stacy Olivas wrote: > Ok, > Here is what I promised earlier.. Please look it over and rip it apart.. :) > Once this gets hammered out, we can ask someone (maybe Micahel Lucas) to > present this and > get this officially approved to be part of the project. > > -Stacy > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > > (Proposed) FreeBSD Public Relations Project Team Charter (Draft): > > The following document is a draft of the FreeBSD Public Relations project > charter. > > 1. Purpose. The purpose of the FreeBSD Public Relations project (called > PubRel) is to > inform the world about the existance of the FreeBSD Operationg system. It > will be the > primary point of contact on all publicity matters for the FreeBSD OS. > > 2. Responsibilities. The FreeBSD PubRel team will be responsible for: > > a. Coordination of all press releases for the FreeBSD project (on-line, > print, etc). > b. Maintain an up-to-date press kit on FreeBSD, which will allow any > technical or > non-technical person understand the advantages FreeBSD has over other > OS's. > c. Act as the primary point of contact on all FreeBSD advocating > activities, > to in include (but not limited to): organizing of booths or other > public > presentations, sponsoring presentations given by various > individuals/organizations, > etc. > d. Recruting new people as advocates for the FreeBSD OS. > e. Monitoring all media outlets (to their best of their abilities) and > collecting > any information found on FreeBSD for use in press releases, etc. > f. Promoting a positive image of FreeBSD to the world. > g. Act as the primary points of contact with all media outlets for the > FreeBSD project. > h. Work with the other parts of the FreeBSD project (core team, release > engineering team, etc) > and with the FreeBSD foundation in developing promotional materials > for distribution. > > 3. Organization. > > a. The PubRel team will consist of not less than four (4) core team > members. > b. Each of these core team members will share an equal vote on all > matters > related to the project. > c. One member will be designated as the "head" of the PubRel project, > and as > such be able to push the project in a given direction to help keep > from > forming a deadlock. > d. Each core team member will have specific responsibilities assignem to > them. These responsibilities > are as follows: > > (1) Team Head > > (a) Overall project management and primary point of contact\ > (b) Responsible for press releases to on-line media outlets > (including Slashdot) > > (2) Team member #1 > > (a) Rrcruting new advocates and providing assistance to advocates > (b) Responsible for press releases to Magazines (print, exclusing > trade publications) > > (3) Team member #2 > > (a) > (b) Responsible for press releases to Newspapers > > (4) Team member #3 > > (a) > (b) Responsible for press releases to Trade Publications > > e. New core team members can be added only upon a unanimous vote from > all current team members. > f. Team members can only be removed upon a unanimous vote from all > current team members and > a minimum of 3 votes from the current FreeBSD project core team. > > 4. Reporting requirements. The PubRel team will be directly responsible to > the FreeBSD core team and, as such > will be required to provide the core team with quarterly updates on their > activities. Invluding (but > not limited to: > > a. Number of press releases that were released (and to what type of > media outlet) > b. Number of press releases that were used (who and when) > c. Progress on any current projects. > d. Submit copies of all press releases via send-pr with a copy posted > to the -advocacy list > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ - against microsoft attachments To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 10:52:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1922837B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:52:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF2343F3F for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:52:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0TIqjj7012278; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:52:45 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: Cc: Subject: RE: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:52:34 +0100 Message-ID: <002801c2c7c7$968abfd0$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1043865612.677.0.camel@sharpie> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The only thing is, if you look at 3.d.(3)(a) and 3.d.(4)(a), they are currently blank. Something needs to be put there first. Any ideas? -Stacy > > That sounds great. Probably would get accepted. > > On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 10:33, Stacy Olivas wrote: > > Ok, > > Here is what I promised earlier.. Please look it over and > rip it apart.. :) > > Once this gets hammered out, we can ask someone (maybe > Micahel Lucas) to > > present this and > > get this officially approved to be part of the project. > > > > -Stacy > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------- > > ------------- > > > > (Proposed) FreeBSD Public Relations Project Team Charter (Draft): > > > > The following document is a draft of the FreeBSD Public > Relations project > > charter. > > > > 1. Purpose. The purpose of the FreeBSD Public Relations > project (called > > PubRel) is to > > inform the world about the existance of the FreeBSD > Operationg system. It > > will be the > > primary point of contact on all publicity matters for the > FreeBSD OS. > > > > 2. Responsibilities. The FreeBSD PubRel team will be > responsible for: > > > > a. Coordination of all press releases for the FreeBSD > project (on-line, > > print, etc). > > b. Maintain an up-to-date press kit on FreeBSD, which > will allow any > > technical or > > non-technical person understand the advantages > FreeBSD has over other > > OS's. > > c. Act as the primary point of contact on all FreeBSD advocating > > activities, > > to in include (but not limited to): organizing of > booths or other > > public > > presentations, sponsoring presentations given by various > > individuals/organizations, > > etc. > > d. Recruting new people as advocates for the FreeBSD OS. > > e. Monitoring all media outlets (to their best of their > abilities) and > > collecting > > any information found on FreeBSD for use in press > releases, etc. > > f. Promoting a positive image of FreeBSD to the world. > > g. Act as the primary points of contact with all media > outlets for the > > FreeBSD project. > > h. Work with the other parts of the FreeBSD project > (core team, release > > engineering team, etc) > > and with the FreeBSD foundation in developing > promotional materials > > for distribution. > > > > 3. Organization. > > > > a. The PubRel team will consist of not less than four > (4) core team > > members. > > b. Each of these core team members will share an equal > vote on all > > matters > > related to the project. > > c. One member will be designated as the "head" of the > PubRel project, > > and as > > such be able to push the project in a given > direction to help keep > > from > > forming a deadlock. > > d. Each core team member will have specific > responsibilities assignem to > > them. These responsibilities > > are as follows: > > > > (1) Team Head > > > > (a) Overall project management and primary point > of contact\ > > (b) Responsible for press releases to on-line > media outlets > > (including Slashdot) > > > > (2) Team member #1 > > > > (a) Rrcruting new advocates and providing > assistance to advocates > > (b) Responsible for press releases to Magazines > (print, exclusing > > trade publications) > > > > (3) Team member #2 > > > > (a) > > (b) Responsible for press releases to Newspapers > > > > (4) Team member #3 > > > > (a) > > (b) Responsible for press releases to Trade Publications > > > > e. New core team members can be added only upon a > unanimous vote from > > all current team members. > > f. Team members can only be removed upon a unanimous > vote from all > > current team members and > > a minimum of 3 votes from the current FreeBSD > project core team. > > > > 4. Reporting requirements. The PubRel team will be > directly responsible to > > the FreeBSD core team and, as such > > will be required to provide the core team with quarterly > updates on their > > activities. Invluding (but > > not limited to: > > > > a. Number of press releases that were released (and to > what type of > > media outlet) > > b. Number of press releases that were used (who and when) > > c. Progress on any current projects. > > d. Submit copies of all press releases via send-pr > with a copy posted > > to the -advocacy list > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > -- > Peter Kieser > pfak@telus.net > > () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > /\ - against microsoft attachments > > _______________________________________________ > bsd-advocacy mailing list > bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org > https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 11: 3:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA27B37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:03:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93FE743E4A for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:03:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) id h0TJ30L8022288; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:03:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (electron.centtech.com [204.177.173.173]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0TJ2wNG022281; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:02:58 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <3E382558.8000508@centtech.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:02:48 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stacy Olivas Cc: bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter References: <002801c2c7c7$968abfd0$0502000a@sentinel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Before we go into getting this stamped for approval, please read my previous post to the bsd-advocacy list about some slight modifications to this team structure.. I think we should have 5, and only 5 (no less, no more) CORE MEMBERS that each have different angles/skillsets (that's the short version). Eric Stacy Olivas wrote: > The only thing is, if you look at 3.d.(3)(a) and 3.d.(4)(a), they are > currently blank. Something needs to > be put there first. Any ideas? > > -Stacy > >>That sounds great. Probably would get accepted. >> >>On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 10:33, Stacy Olivas wrote: >> >>>Ok, >>>Here is what I promised earlier.. Please look it over and >> >>rip it apart.. :) >> >>>Once this gets hammered out, we can ask someone (maybe >> >>Micahel Lucas) to >> >>>present this and >>>get this officially approved to be part of the project. >>> >>>-Stacy >>> >>> >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------- >>-------------- >> >>>------------- >>> >>>(Proposed) FreeBSD Public Relations Project Team Charter (Draft): >>> >>>The following document is a draft of the FreeBSD Public >> >>Relations project >> >>>charter. >>> >>>1. Purpose. The purpose of the FreeBSD Public Relations >> >>project (called >> >>>PubRel) is to >>>inform the world about the existance of the FreeBSD >> >>Operationg system. It >> >>>will be the >>>primary point of contact on all publicity matters for the >> >>FreeBSD OS. >> >>>2. Responsibilities. The FreeBSD PubRel team will be >> >>responsible for: >> >>> a. Coordination of all press releases for the FreeBSD >> >>project (on-line, >> >>>print, etc). >>> b. Maintain an up-to-date press kit on FreeBSD, which >> >>will allow any >> >>>technical or >>> non-technical person understand the advantages >> >>FreeBSD has over other >> >>>OS's. >>> c. Act as the primary point of contact on all FreeBSD advocating >>>activities, >>> to in include (but not limited to): organizing of >> >>booths or other >> >>>public >>> presentations, sponsoring presentations given by various >>>individuals/organizations, >>> etc. >>> d. Recruting new people as advocates for the FreeBSD OS. >>> e. Monitoring all media outlets (to their best of their >> >>abilities) and >> >>>collecting >>> any information found on FreeBSD for use in press >> >>releases, etc. >> >>> f. Promoting a positive image of FreeBSD to the world. >>> g. Act as the primary points of contact with all media >> >>outlets for the >> >>>FreeBSD project. >>> h. Work with the other parts of the FreeBSD project >> >>(core team, release >> >>>engineering team, etc) >>> and with the FreeBSD foundation in developing >> >>promotional materials >> >>>for distribution. >>> >>>3. Organization. >>> >>> a. The PubRel team will consist of not less than four >> >>(4) core team >> >>>members. >>> b. Each of these core team members will share an equal >> >>vote on all >> >>>matters >>> related to the project. >>> c. One member will be designated as the "head" of the >> >>PubRel project, >> >>>and as >>> such be able to push the project in a given >> >>direction to help keep >> >>>from >>> forming a deadlock. >>> d. Each core team member will have specific >> >>responsibilities assignem to >> >>>them. These responsibilities >>> are as follows: >>> >>> (1) Team Head >>> >>> (a) Overall project management and primary point >> >>of contact\ >> >>> (b) Responsible for press releases to on-line >> >>media outlets >> >>>(including Slashdot) >>> >>> (2) Team member #1 >>> >>> (a) Rrcruting new advocates and providing >> >>assistance to advocates >> >>> (b) Responsible for press releases to Magazines >> >>(print, exclusing >> >>>trade publications) >>> >>> (3) Team member #2 >>> >>> (a) >>> (b) Responsible for press releases to Newspapers >>> >>> (4) Team member #3 >>> >>> (a) >>> (b) Responsible for press releases to Trade Publications >>> >>> e. New core team members can be added only upon a >> >>unanimous vote from >> >>>all current team members. >>> f. Team members can only be removed upon a unanimous >> >>vote from all >> >>>current team members and >>> a minimum of 3 votes from the current FreeBSD >> >>project core team. >> >>>4. Reporting requirements. The PubRel team will be >> >>directly responsible to >> >>>the FreeBSD core team and, as such >>>will be required to provide the core team with quarterly >> >>updates on their >> >>>activities. Invluding (but >>>not limited to: >>> >>> a. Number of press releases that were released (and to >> >>what type of >> >>>media outlet) >>> b. Number of press releases that were used (who and when) >>> c. Progress on any current projects. >>> d. Submit copies of all press releases via send-pr >> >>with a copy posted >> >>>to the -advocacy list >>> >>> >>>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>>with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message >> >>-- >>Peter Kieser >>pfak@telus.net >> >>() ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail >>/\ - against microsoft attachments >> >>_______________________________________________ >>bsd-advocacy mailing list >>bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org >>https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy >> > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 11:11:37 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1484E37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:11:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes44.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F49E43FA7 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:11:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.179] ([216.232.36.68]) by priv-edtnes44.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030129191128.URYV28422.priv-edtnes44.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.179]>; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:11:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter From: Peter To: Eric Anderson Cc: Stacy Olivas , bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org, advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3E382558.8000508@centtech.com> References: <002801c2c7c7$968abfd0$0502000a@sentinel> <3E382558.8000508@centtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1043867511.677.3.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 29 Jan 2003 11:11:51 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG That sounds like a good idea, we should have like 2 core members per version of BSD, or something. The BSD's that I can think of are FreeBSD, MicroBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. That would make a total of 8 core members, or should we do it some other way? We really need to get together in a central meeting place, and discuss this out. (In real time). I recommend IRC as the central medium for this to take place. Try irc.striked.org #bsd-advocacy -- We'll work things out, figure out how we're going to do it. Then post a final revision to the mailing lists. On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 11:02, Eric Anderson wrote: > Before we go into getting this stamped for approval, please read my > previous post to the bsd-advocacy list about some slight modifications > to this team structure.. I think we should have 5, and only 5 (no less, > no more) CORE MEMBERS that each have different angles/skillsets (that's > the short version). > > Eric > > > Stacy Olivas wrote: > > The only thing is, if you look at 3.d.(3)(a) and 3.d.(4)(a), they are > > currently blank. Something needs to > > be put there first. Any ideas? > > > > -Stacy > > > >>That sounds great. Probably would get accepted. > >> > >>On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 10:33, Stacy Olivas wrote: > >> > >>>Ok, > >>>Here is what I promised earlier.. Please look it over and > >> > >>rip it apart.. :) > >> > >>>Once this gets hammered out, we can ask someone (maybe > >> > >>Micahel Lucas) to > >> > >>>present this and > >>>get this officially approved to be part of the project. > >>> > >>>-Stacy > >>> > >>> > >> > >>-------------------------------------------------------------- > >>-------------- > >> > >>>------------- > >>> > >>>(Proposed) FreeBSD Public Relations Project Team Charter (Draft): > >>> > >>>The following document is a draft of the FreeBSD Public > >> > >>Relations project > >> > >>>charter. > >>> > >>>1. Purpose. The purpose of the FreeBSD Public Relations > >> > >>project (called > >> > >>>PubRel) is to > >>>inform the world about the existance of the FreeBSD > >> > >>Operationg system. It > >> > >>>will be the > >>>primary point of contact on all publicity matters for the > >> > >>FreeBSD OS. > >> > >>>2. Responsibilities. The FreeBSD PubRel team will be > >> > >>responsible for: > >> > >>> a. Coordination of all press releases for the FreeBSD > >> > >>project (on-line, > >> > >>>print, etc). > >>> b. Maintain an up-to-date press kit on FreeBSD, which > >> > >>will allow any > >> > >>>technical or > >>> non-technical person understand the advantages > >> > >>FreeBSD has over other > >> > >>>OS's. > >>> c. Act as the primary point of contact on all FreeBSD advocating > >>>activities, > >>> to in include (but not limited to): organizing of > >> > >>booths or other > >> > >>>public > >>> presentations, sponsoring presentations given by various > >>>individuals/organizations, > >>> etc. > >>> d. Recruting new people as advocates for the FreeBSD OS. > >>> e. Monitoring all media outlets (to their best of their > >> > >>abilities) and > >> > >>>collecting > >>> any information found on FreeBSD for use in press > >> > >>releases, etc. > >> > >>> f. Promoting a positive image of FreeBSD to the world. > >>> g. Act as the primary points of contact with all media > >> > >>outlets for the > >> > >>>FreeBSD project. > >>> h. Work with the other parts of the FreeBSD project > >> > >>(core team, release > >> > >>>engineering team, etc) > >>> and with the FreeBSD foundation in developing > >> > >>promotional materials > >> > >>>for distribution. > >>> > >>>3. Organization. > >>> > >>> a. The PubRel team will consist of not less than four > >> > >>(4) core team > >> > >>>members. > >>> b. Each of these core team members will share an equal > >> > >>vote on all > >> > >>>matters > >>> related to the project. > >>> c. One member will be designated as the "head" of the > >> > >>PubRel project, > >> > >>>and as > >>> such be able to push the project in a given > >> > >>direction to help keep > >> > >>>from > >>> forming a deadlock. > >>> d. Each core team member will have specific > >> > >>responsibilities assignem to > >> > >>>them. These responsibilities > >>> are as follows: > >>> > >>> (1) Team Head > >>> > >>> (a) Overall project management and primary point > >> > >>of contact\ > >> > >>> (b) Responsible for press releases to on-line > >> > >>media outlets > >> > >>>(including Slashdot) > >>> > >>> (2) Team member #1 > >>> > >>> (a) Rrcruting new advocates and providing > >> > >>assistance to advocates > >> > >>> (b) Responsible for press releases to Magazines > >> > >>(print, exclusing > >> > >>>trade publications) > >>> > >>> (3) Team member #2 > >>> > >>> (a) > >>> (b) Responsible for press releases to Newspapers > >>> > >>> (4) Team member #3 > >>> > >>> (a) > >>> (b) Responsible for press releases to Trade Publications > >>> > >>> e. New core team members can be added only upon a > >> > >>unanimous vote from > >> > >>>all current team members. > >>> f. Team members can only be removed upon a unanimous > >> > >>vote from all > >> > >>>current team members and > >>> a minimum of 3 votes from the current FreeBSD > >> > >>project core team. > >> > >>>4. Reporting requirements. The PubRel team will be > >> > >>directly responsible to > >> > >>>the FreeBSD core team and, as such > >>>will be required to provide the core team with quarterly > >> > >>updates on their > >> > >>>activities. Invluding (but > >>>not limited to: > >>> > >>> a. Number of press releases that were released (and to > >> > >>what type of > >> > >>>media outlet) > >>> b. Number of press releases that were used (who and when) > >>> c. Progress on any current projects. > >>> d. Submit copies of all press releases via send-pr > >> > >>with a copy posted > >> > >>>to the -advocacy list > >>> > >>> > >>>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >>>with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > >> > >>-- > >>Peter Kieser > >>pfak@telus.net > >> > >>() ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > >>/\ - against microsoft attachments > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>bsd-advocacy mailing list > >>bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org > >>https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy > >> > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ - against microsoft attachments To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 11:13: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9625337B405 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes04.telusplanet.net (outbound02.telus.net [199.185.220.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159AE43FB8 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:12:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.179] ([216.232.36.68]) by priv-edtnes04.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030129191256.RZLO27316.priv-edtnes04.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.179]>; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:12:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter From: Peter To: Eric Anderson Cc: bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org, advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1043867511.677.3.camel@sharpie> References: <002801c2c7c7$968abfd0$0502000a@sentinel> <3E382558.8000508@centtech.com> <1043867511.677.3.camel@sharpie> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1043867599.677.6.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 29 Jan 2003 11:13:19 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Unable to send mail directly to anderson, the mail server bounces it with access denied. Might wanna fix your MTA Anderson. On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 11:11, Peter wrote: > That sounds like a good idea, we should have like 2 core members per > version of BSD, or something. The BSD's that I can think of are FreeBSD, > MicroBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. That would make a total of 8 core members, > or should we do it some other way? > > We really need to get together in a central meeting place, and discuss > this out. (In real time). I recommend IRC as the central medium for this > to take place. Try irc.striked.org #bsd-advocacy -- We'll work things > out, figure out how we're going to do it. Then post a final revision to > the mailing lists. > > On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 11:02, Eric Anderson wrote: > > Before we go into getting this stamped for approval, please read my > > previous post to the bsd-advocacy list about some slight modifications > > to this team structure.. I think we should have 5, and only 5 (no less, > > no more) CORE MEMBERS that each have different angles/skillsets (that's > > the short version). > > > > Eric > > > > > > Stacy Olivas wrote: > > > The only thing is, if you look at 3.d.(3)(a) and 3.d.(4)(a), they are > > > currently blank. Something needs to > > > be put there first. Any ideas? > > > > > > -Stacy > > > > > >>That sounds great. Probably would get accepted. > > >> > > >>On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 10:33, Stacy Olivas wrote: > > >> > > >>>Ok, > > >>>Here is what I promised earlier.. Please look it over and > > >> > > >>rip it apart.. :) > > >> > > >>>Once this gets hammered out, we can ask someone (maybe > > >> > > >>Micahel Lucas) to > > >> > > >>>present this and > > >>>get this officially approved to be part of the project. > > >>> > > >>>-Stacy > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >>-------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>-------------- > > >> > > >>>------------- > > >>> > > >>>(Proposed) FreeBSD Public Relations Project Team Charter (Draft): > > >>> > > >>>The following document is a draft of the FreeBSD Public > > >> > > >>Relations project > > >> > > >>>charter. > > >>> > > >>>1. Purpose. The purpose of the FreeBSD Public Relations > > >> > > >>project (called > > >> > > >>>PubRel) is to > > >>>inform the world about the existance of the FreeBSD > > >> > > >>Operationg system. It > > >> > > >>>will be the > > >>>primary point of contact on all publicity matters for the > > >> > > >>FreeBSD OS. > > >> > > >>>2. Responsibilities. The FreeBSD PubRel team will be > > >> > > >>responsible for: > > >> > > >>> a. Coordination of all press releases for the FreeBSD > > >> > > >>project (on-line, > > >> > > >>>print, etc). > > >>> b. Maintain an up-to-date press kit on FreeBSD, which > > >> > > >>will allow any > > >> > > >>>technical or > > >>> non-technical person understand the advantages > > >> > > >>FreeBSD has over other > > >> > > >>>OS's. > > >>> c. Act as the primary point of contact on all FreeBSD advocating > > >>>activities, > > >>> to in include (but not limited to): organizing of > > >> > > >>booths or other > > >> > > >>>public > > >>> presentations, sponsoring presentations given by various > > >>>individuals/organizations, > > >>> etc. > > >>> d. Recruting new people as advocates for the FreeBSD OS. > > >>> e. Monitoring all media outlets (to their best of their > > >> > > >>abilities) and > > >> > > >>>collecting > > >>> any information found on FreeBSD for use in press > > >> > > >>releases, etc. > > >> > > >>> f. Promoting a positive image of FreeBSD to the world. > > >>> g. Act as the primary points of contact with all media > > >> > > >>outlets for the > > >> > > >>>FreeBSD project. > > >>> h. Work with the other parts of the FreeBSD project > > >> > > >>(core team, release > > >> > > >>>engineering team, etc) > > >>> and with the FreeBSD foundation in developing > > >> > > >>promotional materials > > >> > > >>>for distribution. > > >>> > > >>>3. Organization. > > >>> > > >>> a. The PubRel team will consist of not less than four > > >> > > >>(4) core team > > >> > > >>>members. > > >>> b. Each of these core team members will share an equal > > >> > > >>vote on all > > >> > > >>>matters > > >>> related to the project. > > >>> c. One member will be designated as the "head" of the > > >> > > >>PubRel project, > > >> > > >>>and as > > >>> such be able to push the project in a given > > >> > > >>direction to help keep > > >> > > >>>from > > >>> forming a deadlock. > > >>> d. Each core team member will have specific > > >> > > >>responsibilities assignem to > > >> > > >>>them. These responsibilities > > >>> are as follows: > > >>> > > >>> (1) Team Head > > >>> > > >>> (a) Overall project management and primary point > > >> > > >>of contact\ > > >> > > >>> (b) Responsible for press releases to on-line > > >> > > >>media outlets > > >> > > >>>(including Slashdot) > > >>> > > >>> (2) Team member #1 > > >>> > > >>> (a) Rrcruting new advocates and providing > > >> > > >>assistance to advocates > > >> > > >>> (b) Responsible for press releases to Magazines > > >> > > >>(print, exclusing > > >> > > >>>trade publications) > > >>> > > >>> (3) Team member #2 > > >>> > > >>> (a) > > >>> (b) Responsible for press releases to Newspapers > > >>> > > >>> (4) Team member #3 > > >>> > > >>> (a) > > >>> (b) Responsible for press releases to Trade Publications > > >>> > > >>> e. New core team members can be added only upon a > > >> > > >>unanimous vote from > > >> > > >>>all current team members. > > >>> f. Team members can only be removed upon a unanimous > > >> > > >>vote from all > > >> > > >>>current team members and > > >>> a minimum of 3 votes from the current FreeBSD > > >> > > >>project core team. > > >> > > >>>4. Reporting requirements. The PubRel team will be > > >> > > >>directly responsible to > > >> > > >>>the FreeBSD core team and, as such > > >>>will be required to provide the core team with quarterly > > >> > > >>updates on their > > >> > > >>>activities. Invluding (but > > >>>not limited to: > > >>> > > >>> a. Number of press releases that were released (and to > > >> > > >>what type of > > >> > > >>>media outlet) > > >>> b. Number of press releases that were used (who and when) > > >>> c. Progress on any current projects. > > >>> d. Submit copies of all press releases via send-pr > > >> > > >>with a copy posted > > >> > > >>>to the -advocacy list > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > >>>with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > >> > > >>-- > > >>Peter Kieser > > >>pfak@telus.net > > >> > > >>() ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > > >>/\ - against microsoft attachments > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>bsd-advocacy mailing list > > >>bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org > > >>https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ - against microsoft attachments To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 11:20:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161CB37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD20C43E4A for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:20:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0TJKYj7012448; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:20:34 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: Cc: Subject: RE: [bsd-advocacy] Wait for me! Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:20:22 +0100 Message-ID: <002b01c2c7cb$792e9660$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3E3824DF.8000107@centtech.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Stacy Olivas wrote: > > As for involvement, I've stated before that we should get > this setup first > > and then > > approach the project leads on the other *BSD families. > Overdiversification > > can lead to disaster just as > > underdiversification can lead to disaster. If you start > with too much too > > soon, you are probably > > going to drive yourself crazy.... If you start with too little,.... > > > > Just my 2 cents. :) > > I agree - what I was trying to communicate is to get a > framework for the > future integration of the other BSD's - that way we aren't > restructuring > after we have already started. Once the concepts are firmed > into place, > we can allow other BSD's to join in. I posted an initial idea for the project charter on the list.. before I saw your input.. It can be easily modified for this organization structure... Something like this: 3. Organization. a. The PubRel team will consist of not less than five (5) core team members. b. Each of the *BSD family of OS's will organize five people from their respective communities. A person cannot be member of the core team for more than one *BSD community. b. Each of these core team members will share an equal vote on all matters related to the project. c. One member from each of the community core teams will be designated as the "head" of the that communities PubRel project team. The "head" will be the identifiable lead person in the team and have the ability to push their respective in a a given direction to help allevaite deadlock. d. Each core team member will have specific responsibilities assignem to them. These responsibilities are as follows: (1) Team Head (a) Overall project management and primary point of contact\ (b) Responsible for press releases to on-line media outlets (including Slashdot) (2) Team member #1 (a) Rrcruting new advocates and providing assistance to advocates (b) Responsible for press releases to Magazines (print, exclusing trade publications) (3) Team member #2 (a) (b) Responsible for press releases to Newspapers (4) Team member #3 (a) (b) Responsible for press releases to Trade Publications (5) Team member #5 (a) (b) Resoinsible for press releases to.... e. New core team members can be added only upon a unanimous vote from all current team members. f. Team members can only be removed upon a unanimous vote from all current team members and a minimum of 3 votes from the current FreeBSD project core team. g. Core council: (1) Each team "head" will be that team's designated representative in the core council. (2) The core council will have final authority over all aspects of the PubRel project. (3) All core council members will have equal status/vote in the council.. No one member of the council will be "over" the rest of the council members. (4) Items appearing before the council must be decided as follows: (a) A 2/3rds vote must be reached on any issue appearing before the council, otherwise that issue will be considered dead and cannot be acted upon by any members of the PubRel project. (b) Issues previously reject can appear again before the council, only after a) the aspects of the issue that caused the item to be dropped are redefined or b) 90 days have passed, whichever happens first. (c) No member of the core council can be removed by a vote of the council. Removal of members from the core council can only occur if the respective communities core team votes to remove that invididual from their team or as team "head". Did I miss anything? Sounds pretty democratic huh? > > I think really each group (of BSD's) will nominate or come up > with their > own gathering of people. I know I want to focus on FreeBSD, and so > that's where I'll put my efforts. When joint BSD events come > up, we'll > have people from each group gather together to run booths, > etc. There's > more to be decided on this at a later time, but this is just > brainstorming right now. > > Eric > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology > Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > bsd-advocacy mailing list > bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org > https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 11:21: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EAB037B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:20:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFD4943F43 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:20:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) id h0TJKqJu023773; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:20:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (electron.centtech.com [204.177.173.173]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h0TJKoNG023766; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:20:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <3E382989.1040205@centtech.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 13:20:41 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Cc: bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter References: <002801c2c7c7$968abfd0$0502000a@sentinel> <3E382558.8000508@centtech.com> <1043867511.677.3.camel@sharpie> <1043867599.677.6.camel@sharpie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG That's funny - I got all three this time, and the two from the mailing lists last time - nothing in my logs either. Can you forward the bounced mail message to me? CC eric@trinitel.com Eric Peter wrote: > Unable to send mail directly to anderson, the mail server bounces it > with access denied. Might wanna fix your MTA Anderson. > > On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 11:11, Peter wrote: > >>That sounds like a good idea, we should have like 2 core members per >>version of BSD, or something. The BSD's that I can think of are FreeBSD, >>MicroBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. That would make a total of 8 core members, >>or should we do it some other way? >> >>We really need to get together in a central meeting place, and discuss >>this out. (In real time). I recommend IRC as the central medium for this >>to take place. Try irc.striked.org #bsd-advocacy -- We'll work things >>out, figure out how we're going to do it. Then post a final revision to >>the mailing lists. >> >>On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 11:02, Eric Anderson wrote: >> >>>Before we go into getting this stamped for approval, please read my >>>previous post to the bsd-advocacy list about some slight modifications >>>to this team structure.. I think we should have 5, and only 5 (no less, >>>no more) CORE MEMBERS that each have different angles/skillsets (that's >>>the short version). >>> >>>Eric >>> >>> >>>Stacy Olivas wrote: >>> >>>>The only thing is, if you look at 3.d.(3)(a) and 3.d.(4)(a), they are >>>>currently blank. Something needs to >>>>be put there first. Any ideas? >>>> >>>>-Stacy >>>> >>>> >>>>>That sounds great. Probably would get accepted. >>>>> >>>>>On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 10:33, Stacy Olivas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Ok, >>>>>>Here is what I promised earlier.. Please look it over and >>>>> >>>>>rip it apart.. :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Once this gets hammered out, we can ask someone (maybe >>>>> >>>>>Micahel Lucas) to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>present this and >>>>>>get this officially approved to be part of the project. >>>>>> >>>>>>-Stacy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>-------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>------------- >>>>>> >>>>>>(Proposed) FreeBSD Public Relations Project Team Charter (Draft): >>>>>> >>>>>>The following document is a draft of the FreeBSD Public >>>>> >>>>>Relations project >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>charter. >>>>>> >>>>>>1. Purpose. The purpose of the FreeBSD Public Relations >>>>> >>>>>project (called >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>PubRel) is to >>>>>>inform the world about the existance of the FreeBSD >>>>> >>>>>Operationg system. It >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>will be the >>>>>>primary point of contact on all publicity matters for the >>>>> >>>>>FreeBSD OS. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>2. Responsibilities. The FreeBSD PubRel team will be >>>>> >>>>>responsible for: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> a. Coordination of all press releases for the FreeBSD >>>>> >>>>>project (on-line, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>print, etc). >>>>>> b. Maintain an up-to-date press kit on FreeBSD, which >>>>> >>>>>will allow any >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>technical or >>>>>> non-technical person understand the advantages >>>>> >>>>>FreeBSD has over other >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>OS's. >>>>>> c. Act as the primary point of contact on all FreeBSD advocating >>>>>>activities, >>>>>> to in include (but not limited to): organizing of >>>>> >>>>>booths or other >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>public >>>>>> presentations, sponsoring presentations given by various >>>>>>individuals/organizations, >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> d. Recruting new people as advocates for the FreeBSD OS. >>>>>> e. Monitoring all media outlets (to their best of their >>>>> >>>>>abilities) and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>collecting >>>>>> any information found on FreeBSD for use in press >>>>> >>>>>releases, etc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> f. Promoting a positive image of FreeBSD to the world. >>>>>> g. Act as the primary points of contact with all media >>>>> >>>>>outlets for the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>FreeBSD project. >>>>>> h. Work with the other parts of the FreeBSD project >>>>> >>>>>(core team, release >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>engineering team, etc) >>>>>> and with the FreeBSD foundation in developing >>>>> >>>>>promotional materials >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>for distribution. >>>>>> >>>>>>3. Organization. >>>>>> >>>>>> a. The PubRel team will consist of not less than four >>>>> >>>>>(4) core team >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>members. >>>>>> b. Each of these core team members will share an equal >>>>> >>>>>vote on all >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>matters >>>>>> related to the project. >>>>>> c. One member will be designated as the "head" of the >>>>> >>>>>PubRel project, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>and as >>>>>> such be able to push the project in a given >>>>> >>>>>direction to help keep >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>from >>>>>> forming a deadlock. >>>>>> d. Each core team member will have specific >>>>> >>>>>responsibilities assignem to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>them. These responsibilities >>>>>> are as follows: >>>>>> >>>>>> (1) Team Head >>>>>> >>>>>> (a) Overall project management and primary point >>>>> >>>>>of contact\ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> (b) Responsible for press releases to on-line >>>>> >>>>>media outlets >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>(including Slashdot) >>>>>> >>>>>> (2) Team member #1 >>>>>> >>>>>> (a) Rrcruting new advocates and providing >>>>> >>>>>assistance to advocates >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> (b) Responsible for press releases to Magazines >>>>> >>>>>(print, exclusing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>trade publications) >>>>>> >>>>>> (3) Team member #2 >>>>>> >>>>>> (a) >>>>>> (b) Responsible for press releases to Newspapers >>>>>> >>>>>> (4) Team member #3 >>>>>> >>>>>> (a) >>>>>> (b) Responsible for press releases to Trade Publications >>>>>> >>>>>> e. New core team members can be added only upon a >>>>> >>>>>unanimous vote from >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>all current team members. >>>>>> f. Team members can only be removed upon a unanimous >>>>> >>>>>vote from all >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>current team members and >>>>>> a minimum of 3 votes from the current FreeBSD >>>>> >>>>>project core team. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>4. Reporting requirements. The PubRel team will be >>>>> >>>>>directly responsible to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>the FreeBSD core team and, as such >>>>>>will be required to provide the core team with quarterly >>>>> >>>>>updates on their >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>activities. Invluding (but >>>>>>not limited to: >>>>>> >>>>>> a. Number of press releases that were released (and to >>>>> >>>>>what type of >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>media outlet) >>>>>> b. Number of press releases that were used (who and when) >>>>>> c. Progress on any current projects. >>>>>> d. Submit copies of all press releases via send-pr >>>>> >>>>>with a copy posted >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>to the -advocacy list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>>>>>with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Peter Kieser >>>>>pfak@telus.net >>>>> >>>>>() ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail >>>>>/\ - against microsoft attachments >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>bsd-advocacy mailing list >>>>>bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org >>>>>https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>>>with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message >>> -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 12: 1:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF1737B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:01:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746BB43F43 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:01:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([12.242.158.67]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51) with ESMTP id <2003012920011905100hsiile>; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:01:19 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0TJwom9078161; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:58:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h0TJwj7N078158; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:58:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: "Stacy Olivas" Cc: , Subject: Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter References: <002601c2c7c4$ed66cd10$0502000a@sentinel> From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 29 Jan 2003 11:58:44 -0800 In-Reply-To: <002601c2c7c4$ed66cd10$0502000a@sentinel> Message-ID: <6vel6viv7v.l6v@localhost.localdomain> Lines: 208 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Stacy Olivas" writes: > Here is what I promised earlier.. Please look it over and rip it apart.. :) You asked for it. > (Proposed) FreeBSD Public Relations Project Team Charter (Draft): Add "The"? > The following document is a draft of the FreeBSD Public Relations project > charter. Redundant. Snip it. Or is the name change significant? > 1. Purpose. The purpose of the FreeBSD Public Relations project (called > PubRel) is to 1. Purpose. The purpose of the FreeBSD Public Relations project (also known as the FreeBSD PubRel project) is to or 1. Purpose. The purpose of the FreeBSD Public Relations (PubRel) project is to Decide and document whether you're going to capitalize "the" and "project" in such places and whether you're going to use or not use "the" in titles, etc. I think it should be "The...Project". (Same with "The FreeBSD Project", but I haven't checked what that project uses.) > inform the world about the existance of the FreeBSD Operationg system. It > will be the > primary point of contact on all publicity matters for the FreeBSD OS. inform the world about the FreeBSD operating system. It will be the primary point of contact on publicity matters for the FreeBSD OS. But that last sentence is not couched as a purpose and seems to belong in section 2. Maybe: inform the world about the FreeBSD operating system, both through publicity activities and responses to requests for information. > 2. Responsibilities. The FreeBSD PubRel team will be responsible for: Lose the "FreeBSD" here and some other places. It gets tiresome. > a. Coordination of all press releases for the FreeBSD project (on-line, > print, etc). "etc.)." > b. Maintain an up-to-date press kit on FreeBSD, which will allow any > technical or > non-technical person understand the advantages FreeBSD has over other > OS's. b. Maintaining an up-to-date FreeBSD press kit, which will allow people of any level of expertise to understand FreeBSD's advantages. or ...to compare FreeBSD with other OSes. > c. Act as the primary point of contact on all FreeBSD advocating > activities, "Acting". Decide whether you're going to use "advocacy" or "PR" and use only that unless the other term doesn't work. Why "advocating" is used here is unclear. Does it mean to be different than the "purpose" sentence? > to in include (but not limited to): organizing of booths or other > public to include: organizing of booths or other public If you use the parens, fix the grammar to jive with what preceeds it. > presentations, sponsoring presentations given by various > individuals/organizations, > etc. > d. Recruting new people as advocates for the FreeBSD OS. > e. Monitoring all media outlets (to their best of their abilities) and > collecting > any information found on FreeBSD for use in press releases, etc. Lose "all" and "(to the best of their abilities)" and "any". > f. Promoting a positive image of FreeBSD to the world. > g. Act as the primary points of contact with all media outlets for the > FreeBSD project. "Acting". Lose "all". > h. Work with the other parts of the FreeBSD project (core team, release > engineering team, etc) > and with the FreeBSD foundation in developing promotional materials > for distribution. "Working with other". "The FreeBSD Foundation"? > 3. Organization. > > a. The PubRel team will consist of not less than four (4) core team > members. "no less"? Lose the "(4)". I like "leader" much better than "core team member", but that's just me. > b. Each of these core team members will share an equal vote on all > matters > related to the project. "Each of the". "will have equal votes". > c. One member will be designated as the "head" of the PubRel project, > and as > such be able to push the project in a given direction to help keep > from > forming a deadlock. c. One member will be designated as the "head" of the PubRel project, and as such, will be able to push the project in a given direction to help keep from forming a deadlock. Way too fuzzy. What's it mean? That the leaders don't have equal votes? > d. Each core team member will have specific responsibilities assignem to > them. These responsibilities > are as follows: "assigned". Maybe "Responsibilities include:" > (1) Team Head > > (a) Overall project management and primary point of contact\ > (b) Responsible for press releases to on-line media outlets > (including Slashdot) End each item with ".". Lose "Responsible for" here and below. > (2) Team member #1 > > (a) Rrcruting new advocates and providing assistance to advocates "Recruiting". > (b) Responsible for press releases to Magazines (print, exclusing > trade publications) "magazines". "excluding" > (3) Team member #2 > > (a) ????? > (b) Responsible for press releases to Newspapers > (4) Team member #3 > > (a) > (b) Responsible for press releases to Trade Publications > e. New core team members can be added only upon a unanimous vote from > all current team members. "an unanimous". > f. Team members can only be removed upon a unanimous vote from all > current team members and > a minimum of 3 votes from the current FreeBSD project core team. "all other"? (else the ejectee gets a veto vote) Lose "current". > 4. Reporting requirements. The PubRel team will be directly responsible to > the FreeBSD core team and, as such > will be required to provide the core team with quarterly updates on their "shall provide". "quarterly reports". > activities. Invluding (but "Including" > not limited to: "to):" > a. Number of press releases that were released (and to what type of > media outlet) "The number" here and next. > b. Number of press releases that were used (who and when) > c. Progress on any current projects. Lose "any" or use "all". > d. Submit copies of all press releases via send-pr with a copy posted > to the -advocacy list "freebsd-advocacy". Maybe this: d. Send copies of all press releases to FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org and FreeBSD-advocacy@freebsd.org". Change "will" and "can" to "shall", in most (if not all) places above. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 14:29:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131F637B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:29:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCF143F79 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:29:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0131.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.131] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18e0hz-0007b7-00; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:29:28 -0800 Message-ID: <3E385574.3F1E4812@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:28:04 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Anderson Cc: Stacy Olivas , bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter References: <002801c2c7c7$968abfd0$0502000a@sentinel> <3E382558.8000508@centtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4ff3d76dc87e02a9df50d20962e917a85387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Eric Anderson wrote: > Before we go into getting this stamped for approval, please read my > previous post to the bsd-advocacy list about some slight modifications > to this team structure.. I think we should have 5, and only 5 (no less, > no more) CORE MEMBERS that each have different angles/skillsets (that's > the short version). An even number is better than an odd number, if you are talking about having to vote by majority on issues, FWIW. This is because an even number requires a clear consensus (with the default being "no change from the status quo"). Otherwise you end up with nepotism, vote trading, and voting blocks, with a uniformly unrepresented (in the results of votes) minority. The U.S. Supreme Court has an odd number to force a decision, even if it's not the right decision, because they are the court of last appeal; the closest they can come to a non-decision is abstinance from the vote and/or a general refusal to hear the case. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 14:44:37 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C604F37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:44:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C7243E4A for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:44:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0131.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.131] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18e0wT-0002UO-00; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:44:26 -0800 Message-ID: <3E3858F8.626CC0B1@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:43:04 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stacy Olivas Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org Subject: Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter References: <002601c2c7c4$ed66cd10$0502000a@sentinel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a41cff534f05c92ddc8d7bca88810a57af350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Suggestion: learn to wrap lines before 80 characters; I've reformatted your original posting, to make it readable, below; I've tried to keep it under 72 columns to ensure that it *stays* readable, after posting to a mailing list, and quoting by way of reposting. The first lesson anyone should take from this is that people will ignore information, without regard to whether it's good or bad, if it's visually inaccessible to the, Presentation and neatness counts (FWIW). Note 1: I have *not* corrected spelling or grammar, only fixed the formatting. Note 2: I minimally object to 3(c) and 3(f). The project should operate without a requirement of "core team sanction" (implied by 3(f)), and should operate on a consensus basis, rather than a "might-makes-right" basis (implied by 3(c): there's a readon Jordan was a one man show for so long). -- Terry Stacy Olivas wrote: > Ok, > Here is what I promised earlier.. Please look it over and rip it apart.. :) > Once this gets hammered out, we can ask someone (maybe Micahel Lucas) to > present this and > get this officially approved to be part of the project. > > -Stacy > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Proposed) FreeBSD Public Relations Project Team Charter (Draft): The following document is a draft of the FreeBSD Public Relations project charter. 1. Purpose. The purpose of the FreeBSD Public Relations project (called PubRel) is to inform the world about the existance of the FreeBSD Operationg system. It will be the primary point of contact on all publicity matters for the FreeBSD OS. 2. Responsibilities. The FreeBSD PubRel team will be responsible for: a. Coordination of all press releases for the FreeBSD project (on-line, print, etc). b. Maintain an up-to-date press kit on FreeBSD, which will allow any technical or non-technical person understand the advantages FreeBSD has over other OS's. c. Act as the primary point of contact on all FreeBSD advocating activities, to in include (but not limited to): organizing of booths or other public presentations, sponsoring presentations given by various individuals/organizations, etc. d. Recruting new people as advocates for the FreeBSD OS. e. Monitoring all media outlets (to their best of their abilities) and collecting any information found on FreeBSD for use in press releases, etc. f. Promoting a positive image of FreeBSD to the world. g. Act as the primary points of contact with all media outlets for the FreeBSD project. h. Work with the other parts of the FreeBSD project (core team, release engineering team, etc) and with the FreeBSD foundation in developing promotional materials for distribution. 3. Organization. a. The PubRel team will consist of not less than four (4) core team members. b. Each of these core team members will share an equal vote on all matters related to the project. c. One member will be designated as the "head" of the PubRel project, and as such be able to push the project in a given direction to help keep from forming a deadlock. d. Each core team member will have specific responsibilities assignem to them. These responsibilities are as follows: (1) Team Head (a) Overall project management and primary point of contact\ (b) Responsible for press releases to on-line media outlets (including Slashdot) (2) Team member #1 (a) Rrcruting new advocates and providing assistance to advocates (b) Responsible for press releases to Magazines (print, exclusing trade publications) (3) Team member #2 (a) (b) Responsible for press releases to Newspapers (4) Team member #3 (a) (b) Responsible for press releases to Trade Publications e. New core team members can be added only upon a unanimous vote from all current team members. f. Team members can only be removed upon a unanimous vote from all current team members and a minimum of 3 votes from the current FreeBSD project core team. 4. Reporting requirements. The PubRel team will be directly responsible to the FreeBSD core team and, as such will be required to provide the core team with quarterly updates on their activities. Including (but not limited to: a. Number of press releases that were released (and to what type of media outlet) b. Number of press releases that were used (who and when) c. Progress on any current projects. d. Submit copies of all press releases via send-pr with a copy posted to the -advocacy list To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 14:47:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBD037B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0679143F85 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:47:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([12.242.158.67]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with ESMTP id <2003012922474100100870coe>; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:47:41 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0TMjCm9080132 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:45:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h0TMj7fp080129; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:45:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter References: <002801c2c7c7$968abfd0$0502000a@sentinel> <3E382558.8000508@centtech.com> <1043867511.677.3.camel@sharpie> <1043867599.677.6.camel@sharpie> <3E382989.1040205@centtech.com> From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 29 Jan 2003 14:45:06 -0800 In-Reply-To: <3E382989.1040205@centtech.com> Message-ID: <7r4r7rinil.r7r@localhost.localdomain> Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just joined this list. The five messages of this thread which I just downloaded used 1284 lines for 22 lines of original text. Am I wrong to note that? Is there no need to worry about anybody's costs of transmission and storage? Or readers need to scroll messages to search for embedded comments which aren't there? Also, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAILa says only that the list is "FreeBSD Evangelism". It has no charter. If a regular will write one up, I'll wait for others to improve on it for a couple of days and then I'll paste it into a PR, etc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 15:22:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEE137B405 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:22:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net (outbound02.telus.net [199.185.220.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7267E43F3F for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:22:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.179] ([216.232.36.68]) by priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030129232236.BLGX5251.priv-edtnes10-hme0.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.179]>; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:22:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter From: Peter Kieser To: "Gary W. Swearingen" Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <7r4r7rinil.r7r@localhost.localdomain> References: <002801c2c7c7$968abfd0$0502000a@sentinel> <3E382558.8000508@centtech.com> <1043867511.677.3.camel@sharpie> <1043867599.677.6.camel@sharpie> <3E382989.1040205@centtech.com> <7r4r7rinil.r7r@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1043882579.677.14.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 29 Jan 2003 15:23:00 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I guess we can probably take this as some kind of flamer. No, we really don't care about the costs of transmission or storage. I myself have an unmetered T1, so it doesn't really matter what I use, when I use it. Also storage isn't a big deal, what is 1284 lines of text amount to? 2KB max for a file. If you dont like how we conduct ourselves on this list, then please unsubscribe, and save us the hassle of writing an email to you as a flamer, and explaining that we "just do it" this way. Other then that, this was just about as productive as the 22 lines of original text that are in some of the mailing messages. Get used to it. On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 14:45, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: > I just joined this list. The five messages of this thread which I just > downloaded used 1284 lines for 22 lines of original text. > > Am I wrong to note that? Is there no need to worry about anybody's costs > of transmission and storage? Or readers need to scroll messages to search > for embedded comments which aren't there? > > Also, > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAILa > says only that the list is "FreeBSD Evangelism". It has no charter. If a > regular will write one up, I'll wait for others to improve on it for a > couple of days and then I'll paste it into a PR, etc. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ - against microsoft attachments To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 15:45:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946AE37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:45:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc1-cdif2-5-cust47.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.101.150.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8071343F79 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:45:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.12) id 18e1tj-00027O-00; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:45:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:45:39 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Peter Kieser Cc: "Gary W. Swearingen" , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter Message-ID: <20030129234539.GF5163@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Peter Kieser , "Gary W. Swearingen" , advocacy@freebsd.org References: <002801c2c7c7$968abfd0$0502000a@sentinel> <3E382558.8000508@centtech.com> <1043867511.677.3.camel@sharpie> <1043867599.677.6.camel@sharpie> <3E382989.1040205@centtech.com> <7r4r7rinil.r7r@localhost.localdomain> <1043882579.677.14.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1043882579.677.14.camel@sharpie> X-message-flag: All your linuxconf-configured redhat are belong to us. X-message-flag-attribution: suresh, sdm. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 03:23:00PM -0800, Peter Kieser wrote: > I guess we can probably take this as some kind of flamer. No, we really > don't care about the costs of transmission or storage. I myself have an > unmetered T1, so it doesn't really matter what I use, when I use it. > Also storage isn't a big deal, what is 1284 lines of text amount to? 2KB > max for a file. Peter, There really is no need to quote 2K of irrelevant quoted text when replying to a message. This is pretty basic conduct on mailing lists. Your signature even carries a "campaign against HTML email" - that is far less annoying than top-posters who can't be bothered to snip irrelevant text because "we really don't care about the costs of transmission or storage". Yes, we do. Just because you may have a T1, the mail you're sending goes to every subscriber, and even assuming that they all have a T1 (which they do not), the bandwidth that hub.FreeBSD.org uses to send the mail out to them is donated, which should be enough reason not to waste it. > If you dont like how we conduct ourselves on this list, then please > unsubscribe, and save us the hassle of writing an email to you as a > flamer, and explaining that we "just do it" this way. Gary is not someone who generates flames. Also, we do not "just do it"; I was close to commenting on this myself. > Other then that, this was just about as productive as the 22 lines of > original text that are in some of the mailing messages. Get used to it. You should prepare yourself to "get used" to people trying to correct such poor quoting behaviour. Take this as a request to everyone on this list: please cut out quoted text if it's not necessary for your reply. In addition, Stacy really should sort out the line-wrap issues. Ceri -- My forefathers's rune! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 15:56:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B3C37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:56:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B0243F3F for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 15:56:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from moble.pittgoth.com ([192.168.0.5]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h0TNujOd003880; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:56:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:57:01 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Peter Kieser Cc: swear@attbi.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter Message-Id: <20030129185701.1b7b6d74.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <1043882579.677.14.camel@sharpie> References: <002801c2c7c7$968abfd0$0502000a@sentinel> <3E382558.8000508@centtech.com> <1043867511.677.3.camel@sharpie> <1043867599.677.6.camel@sharpie> <3E382989.1040205@centtech.com> <7r4r7rinil.r7r@localhost.localdomain> <1043882579.677.14.camel@sharpie> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 29 Jan 2003 15:23:00 -0800 Peter Kieser wrote: > I guess we can probably take this as some kind of flamer. No, we > really don't care about the costs of transmission or storage. I myself > have an unmetered T1, so it doesn't really matter what I use, when I > use it. Also storage isn't a big deal, what is 1284 lines of text > amount to? 2KB max for a file. Gary is hardly a `flamer'. In short, Gary is a great FreeBSD contributor whos opinion is valued by many of us. > > If you dont like how we conduct ourselves on this list, then please > unsubscribe, and save us the hassle of writing an email to you as a > flamer, and explaining that we "just do it" this way. > I'm not likeing how you conduct yourselves on `this list' as the constant emails are driving me nuts. Come on guys, just set something up and do it. Thanks. -- Tom Rhodes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 16: 2:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E56F837B401; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:02:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net (outbound03.telus.net [199.185.220.222]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134BB43F3F; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:02:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.179] ([216.232.36.68]) by priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030130000219.FXDP22888.priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.179]>; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:02:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter From: Peter Kieser To: Tom Rhodes Cc: swear@attbi.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20030129185701.1b7b6d74.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> References: <002801c2c7c7$968abfd0$0502000a@sentinel> <3E382558.8000508@centtech.com> <1043867511.677.3.camel@sharpie> <1043867599.677.6.camel@sharpie> <3E382989.1040205@centtech.com> <7r4r7rinil.r7r@localhost.localdomain> <1043882579.677.14.camel@sharpie> <20030129185701.1b7b6d74.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1043884962.677.20.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.0 Date: 29 Jan 2003 16:02:42 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 15:57, Tom Rhodes wrote: > I'm not likeing how you conduct yourselves on `this list' as the > constant emails are driving me nuts. Come on guys, just set > something up and do it. Thanks. We're working on it, but this is a mailing list. Where else are we supposed to communicate to a large number of people. We've tried IRC (We've setup a channel on irc.striked.org as #bsd-advocacy), and nobody showed up (nobody as in 2 or 3 people, that were directly involved in the project). There is not much else we CAN do to get this thing off the ground without mailing it to the list. Also, I fail to see any guidelines for this mailing list as Gary seems to have pointed, maybe one of you should create the code of conduct to follow on this list if your so irritated by what goes on on this list. Also re: what Ceri said, how is HTML mail less annoying then what i'm doing, HTML mail is about readability in a non-HTML email editor, also the fact that alot of the people that DO use HTML mail tend to use horrid looking colours, and hard to read fonts. I had no problem with what Gary, it's just how he said it to the list in general, if he had asked nicely for us to stop doing the replys with the rest of the bodied message attached, I wouldn't have flamed him back. And as you can see, I've stopped doing that now. -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ - against microsoft attachments To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 16: 8:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30FB37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295CC43E4A for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:08:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18CF03D27 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:08:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:09:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter Message-ID: <3E3826D5.7345.78EF85F2@localhost> References: <20030129185701.1b7b6d74.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-reply-to: <1043884962.677.20.camel@sharpie> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 29 Jan 2003 at 16:02, Peter Kieser wrote: > We're working on it, but this is a mailing list. Where else are we > supposed to communicate to a large number of people. We've tried IRC > (We've setup a channel on irc.striked.org as #bsd-advocacy), and nobody > showed up (nobody as in 2 or 3 people, that were directly involved in > the project). There is not much else we CAN do to get this thing off the > ground without mailing it to the list. Please don't get sidetracked in your endeavours. Scope creep is a terrible thing to control. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 17:30: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FEE37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.surferz.net (mail.surferz.net [64.80.52.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1432443F79 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:29:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marina@surferz.net) Received: from tamiru (marina@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.surferz.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id h0U1TSi32675; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:29:28 -0500 (EST) From: Marina Brown Organization: STAR To: "Stacy Olivas" , Subject: RE: [bsd-advocacy] Wait for me! Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:46:24 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29.2] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: References: <002b01c2c7cb$792e9660$0502000a@sentinel> In-Reply-To: <002b01c2c7cb$792e9660$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <03012920481702.11245@tamiru> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Stacy Olivas wrote: > > > > I agree - what I was trying to communicate is to get a > > framework for the > > future integration of the other BSD's - that way we aren't > > restructuring > > after we have already started. Once the concepts are firmed > > into place, > > we can allow other BSD's to join in. > > I posted an initial idea for the project charter on the list.. before I saw > your input.. It can be > easily modified for this organization structure... Something like this: > > 3. Organization. > > a. The PubRel team will consist of not less than five (5) core team > members. > b. Each of the *BSD family of OS's will organize five people from their > respective > communities. A person cannot be member of the core team for more > than one *BSD community. > b. Each of these core team members will share an equal vote on all > matters How many folks from BSD projects other than FreeBSD are here ? I see M Lucas who covers Free && Open, sometimes Darren Reed from NetBSD pops in here. ...I'm from the OpenBSD camp. Marina Brown > related to the project. > c. One member from each of the community core teams will be designated > as the "head" of the that > communities PubRel project team. The "head" will be the identifiable > lead person in the team > and have the ability to push their respective in a a given direction > to help allevaite deadlock. > d. Each core team member will have specific responsibilities assignem to > them. These responsibilities > are as follows: > > (1) Team Head > > (a) Overall project management and primary point of contact\ > (b) Responsible for press releases to on-line media outlets > (including Slashdot) > > (2) Team member #1 > > (a) Rrcruting new advocates and providing assistance to advocates > (b) Responsible for press releases to Magazines (print, exclusing > trade publications) > > (3) Team member #2 > > (a) > (b) Responsible for press releases to Newspapers > > (4) Team member #3 > > (a) > (b) Responsible for press releases to Trade Publications > > (5) Team member #5 > (a) > (b) Resoinsible for press releases to.... > > e. New core team members can be added only upon a unanimous vote from > all current team members. > f. Team members can only be removed upon a unanimous vote from all > current team members and > a minimum of 3 votes from the current FreeBSD project core team. > > g. Core council: > (1) Each team "head" will be that team's designated representative in > the core council. > (2) The core council will have final authority over all aspects of > the PubRel project. > (3) All core council members will have equal status/vote in the > council.. No one member of the council > will be "over" the rest of the council members. > (4) Items appearing before the council must be decided as follows: > (a) A 2/3rds vote must be reached on any issue appearing before > the council, otherwise > that issue will be considered dead and cannot be acted upon > by any members of the > PubRel project. > (b) Issues previously reject can appear again before the council, > only after a) the > aspects of the issue that caused the item to be dropped are > redefined or b) > 90 days have passed, whichever happens first. > (c) No member of the core council can be removed by a vote of the > council. Removal > of members from the core council can only occur if the > respective communities > core team votes to remove that invididual from their team or > as team "head". > > Did I miss anything? Sounds pretty democratic huh? > > > > I think really each group (of BSD's) will nominate or come up > > with their > > own gathering of people. I know I want to focus on FreeBSD, and so > > that's where I'll put my efforts. When joint BSD events come > > up, we'll > > have people from each group gather together to run booths, > > etc. There's > > more to be decided on this at a later time, but this is just > > brainstorming right now. > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology > > Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > bsd-advocacy mailing list > > bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org > > https://secure.daemonnews.org/mailman/listinfo/bsd-advocacy > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- ========================================================================== "Speculators may do no harm as bubbles on a steady stream of enterprise. But the position is serious when the enterprise becomes the bubble on a whirlpool of speculation. When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done". John Maynard Keynes. "The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money". 1936 =========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 17:39:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCCB37B401 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:39:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A769143F79 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:39:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a135.otenet.gr [212.205.215.135]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0U1dPNX015358 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 03:39:26 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0U1dNxH084869 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 03:39:23 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0TM1R0b008461; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:01:27 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:01:27 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Stacy Olivas Cc: bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Wait for me! Message-ID: <20030129220127.GA1568@gothmog.gr> References: <002b01c2c7cb$792e9660$0502000a@sentinel> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002b01c2c7cb$792e9660$0502000a@sentinel> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2003-01-29 20:20, Stacy Olivas wrote: > I posted an initial idea for the project charter on the list.. > before I saw your input.. It can be easily modified for this > organization structure... Something like this: > > 3. Organization. > > a. The PubRel team will consist of not less than five (5) core > team members. > b. Each of the *BSD family of OS's will organize five people > from their respective communities. A person cannot be > member of the core team for more than one *BSD community. Since I'm not actively helping a lot with the whole PubRel idea, don't let me cause problems or inhibit the work you're about to do. But... I'm not sure I like the last sentence of 3.b a lot. I tend to prefer thinking of the BSDs as one large group of Unix developers, professionals and enthusiasts whose common goal is to enhance, develop, promote and advocate "BSD". I already know of at least two persons who are interested both in FreeBSD and one of the other BSDs. Why would you want to restrict access to these core advocacy teams? > e. New core team members can be added only upon a unanimous > vote from all current team members. > f. Team members can only be removed upon a unanimous vote from > all current team members and a minimum of 3 votes from the > current FreeBSD project core team. I also don't like the way "core team" is being used to identify the group that steers FreeBSD advocacy and public relations. There is much confusion and a lot of unclear vagueness that is waiting there for a chance to confuse the unwary reader. The previous two snippets refer to "core team" but it is only the use of the word "FreeBSD" in front of the "FreeBSD project core team" that hints towards the team of persons that receive core@freebsd.org mail. When this whole effort starts working towards common goals with the "OpenBSD advocacy team" and the "NetBSD advocacy team" you will have to distinguish between the three teams too. What will the term "FreeBSD project core team" refer to then? I'm not part of the core@freebsd.org team. Advocacy is, though, a game that some times depends on the ability to communicate the precise meaning of what is being written, with sharp clarity and no chance of being confusing. This is why I thought I'd mention the possibility of "core team" being a choise for a name that is less than optimal. - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 18:35:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC29837B401; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCAB43E4A; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:35:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0224.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.224] helo=mindspring.com) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18e4Xz-0007N5-00; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:35:24 -0800 Message-ID: <3E388F13.59D0D449@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:33:55 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Kieser Cc: Tom Rhodes , swear@attbi.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRelproject Charter References: <002801c2c7c7$968abfd0$0502000a@sentinel> <3E382558.8000508@centtech.com> <1043867511.677.3.camel@sharpie> <1043867599.677.6.camel@sharpie> <3E382989.1040205@centtech.com> <7r4r7rinil.r7r@localhost.localdomain> <1043882579.677.14.camel@sharpie> <20030129185701.1b7b6d74.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <1043884962.677.20.camel@sharpie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4774102f7e9d216615bfcac5c5d22be272601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Kieser wrote: > We're working on it, but this is a mailing list. Where else are we > supposed to communicate to a large number of people. Wherever you do it, please don't cross-post between the lists, if you are going to reject cross-posted responses as a result of "Reply All" in most mail clients. When I corrected the formatting, so that people didn't reject your message by not reading it past the point of noting the bad formatting, the message was rejected by one of the lists you cross-posted to. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jan 29 18:51:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A93F37B405 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF1C43F75 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2003 18:51:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5447051984; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:21:09 +1030 (CST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:21:09 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Peter Kieser Cc: "Gary W. Swearingen" , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter Message-ID: <20030130025109.GJ1007@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <002801c2c7c7$968abfd0$0502000a@sentinel> <3E382558.8000508@centtech.com> <1043867511.677.3.camel@sharpie> <1043867599.677.6.camel@sharpie> <3E382989.1040205@centtech.com> <7r4r7rinil.r7r@localhost.localdomain> <1043882579.677.14.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1043882579.677.14.camel@sharpie> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Extraneous text removed. Resequenced. On Wednesday, 29 January 2003 at 15:23:00 -0800, Peter Kieser wrote: > On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 14:45, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: >> I just joined this list. The five messages of this thread which I just >> downloaded used 1284 lines for 22 lines of original text. >> >> Am I wrong to note that? Is there no need to worry about anybody's costs >> of transmission and storage? Or readers need to scroll messages to search >> for embedded comments which aren't there? >> >> Also, >> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAILa >> says only that the list is "FreeBSD Evangelism". It has no >> charter. If a regular will write one up, I'll wait for others to >> improve on it for a couple of days and then I'll paste it into a >> PR, etc. Well, I'd call that a charter. If you want to come up with an expansion on it, that's reasonable, but in general we keep the charter statements pretty short. > I guess we can probably take this as some kind of flamer. I don't see that. I think he has a good point. I see nothing to suggest flames. > No, we really don't care about the costs of transmission or > storage. I myself have an unmetered T1, so it doesn't really matter > what I use, when I use it. Also storage isn't a big deal, what is > 1284 lines of text amount to? 2KB max for a file. That may be the case. I receive plenty of mail every day, and neither the costs nor the storage worry me, but that isn't to say it's the case for everybody. What does worry me is the (intel)legibility. The message which started this thread was so mutilated that I gave up trying to read it. Messages with components out of sequence (like yours) are also a pain to read, which is why I've gone to the trouble of resequencing. > If you dont like how we conduct ourselves on this list, then please > unsubscribe, and save us the hassle of writing an email to you as a > flamer, and explaining that we "just do it" this way. Well, in fact, there are some mild suggestions for how to write mail messages, and Gary's right on target with them. http://www.lemis.com/Howto-ask-questions contains some recommendations for FreeBSD-questions: 7. Include relevant text from the original message. Trim it to the minimum, but don't overdo it. It should still be possible for somebody who didn't read the original message to understand what you're talking about. 8. Use some technique to identify which text came from the original message, and which text you add. I personally find that prepending ``> '' to the original message works best. Leaving white space after the ``> '' and leave empty lines between your text and the original text both make the result more readable. 9. Put your response in the correct place (after the text to which it replies). It's very difficult to read a thread of responses where each reply comes before the text to which it replies. 10. Most mailers change the subject line on a reply by prepending a text such as ``Re: ''. If your mailer doesn't do it automatically, you should do it manually. 11. If the submitter didn't abide by format conventions (lines too long, inappropriate subject line), please fix it. In the case of an incorrect subject line (such as ``HELP!!??''), change the subject line to (say) ``Re: Difficulties with sync PPP (was: HELP!!??)''. That way other people trying to follow the thread will have less difficulty following it. In such cases, it's appropriate to say what you did and why you did it, but try not to be rude. If you find you can't answer without being rude, don't answer. > Other then that, this was just about as productive as the 22 lines > of original text that are in some of the mailing messages. Get used > to it. Are we here to "get used to it" or promote FreeBSD? The list charter says the latter. Badly written mail messages don't normally get a mention. People do get used to them. I'm so used to them that I normally delete them unread. I'm sure I'm not the only one. Is that the purpose of sending mail? Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/email.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 0:21:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43BE37B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:21:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (anthonychavez.org [166.70.15.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0270D43F79 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:21:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acc@anthonychavez.org) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (acc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0U8Lpvw009190 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:21:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from acc@athena.anthonychavez.org) Received: (from acc@localhost) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0U8LpZR009189 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:21:51 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:21:51 -0700 From: "Anthony C. Chavez" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter Message-ID: <20030130082150.GA9058@anthonychavez.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <002801c2c7c7$968abfd0$0502000a@sentinel> <3E382558.8000508@centtech.com> <1043867511.677.3.camel@sharpie> <1043867599.677.6.camel@sharpie> <3E382989.1040205@centtech.com> <7r4r7rinil.r7r@localhost.localdomain> <1043882579.677.14.camel@sharpie> <20030129185701.1b7b6d74.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <1043884962.677.20.camel@sharpie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="T4sUOijqQbZv57TR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1043884962.677.20.camel@sharpie> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.anthonychavez.org/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 04:02:42PM -0800, Peter Kieser wro= te: > We're working on it, but this is a mailing list. Where else are we > supposed to communicate to a large number of people. We've tried IRC > (We've setup a channel on irc.striked.org as #bsd-advocacy), and nobody > showed up (nobody as in 2 or 3 people, that were directly involved in > the project). There is not much else we CAN do to get this thing off the > ground without mailing it to the list. I set up bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org for precisely that reason: so that the people involved in organizing this effort could brainstorm with one another, and the good folks on freebsd-advocacy wouldn't have to deal with the already tiresome thread. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. It's time to move this conversation to that (and only that) list, folks! And furthermore, what is the point of sending charter drafts to freebsd-advocacy??? Why aren't we working out the drafts on bsd-advocacy until we have something worth submitting to those individuals that we need to get approval from? Apologies to freebsd-advocacy members for the mess. --=20 Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+OOCebZTbIaRBRXERAgjXAJ9+36v9e32Y+JUNPyOUxyASCF6b4QCfSVfP jIoBV4kc75nbBzDUbd/b13Q= =0KME -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 9:31:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4899537B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0B643F75 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:31:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from moble.pittgoth.com (acs-24-154-229-196.zoominternet.net [24.154.229.196]) by pittgoth.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h0UHVfOd016569; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:31:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 12:32:01 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: "Anthony C. Chavez" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter Message-Id: <20030130123201.2dbfccdc.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20030130082150.GA9058@anthonychavez.org> References: <002801c2c7c7$968abfd0$0502000a@sentinel> <3E382558.8000508@centtech.com> <1043867511.677.3.camel@sharpie> <1043867599.677.6.camel@sharpie> <3E382989.1040205@centtech.com> <7r4r7rinil.r7r@localhost.localdomain> <1043882579.677.14.camel@sharpie> <20030129185701.1b7b6d74.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <1043884962.677.20.camel@sharpie> <20030130082150.GA9058@anthonychavez.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:21:51 -0700 "Anthony C. Chavez" wrote: > > I've said it before, and I'll say it again. It's time to move this > conversation to that (and only that) list, folks! > > And furthermore, what is the point of sending charter drafts to > freebsd-advocacy??? Why aren't we working out the drafts on > bsd-advocacy until we have something worth submitting to those > individuals that we need to get approval from? > > Apologies to freebsd-advocacy members for the mess. Your apologies are not needed here, Anthony. You did nothing wrong or ignorant. :) > > -- > Anthony Chavez > http://www.anthonychavez.org/ > mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org > jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org > -- Tom Rhodes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 9:59:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5326537B401; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:59:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (anthonychavez.org [166.70.15.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4FC43F75; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 09:59:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acc@anthonychavez.org) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (acc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0UHxlvw015158; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:59:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from acc@athena.anthonychavez.org) Received: (from acc@localhost) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0UHxkw6015157; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:59:46 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 10:59:46 -0700 From: "Anthony C. Chavez" To: Tom Rhodes Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter Message-ID: <20030130175946.GB15112@anthonychavez.org> Mail-Followup-To: Tom Rhodes , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3E382558.8000508@centtech.com> <1043867511.677.3.camel@sharpie> <1043867599.677.6.camel@sharpie> <3E382989.1040205@centtech.com> <7r4r7rinil.r7r@localhost.localdomain> <1043882579.677.14.camel@sharpie> <20030129185701.1b7b6d74.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> <1043884962.677.20.camel@sharpie> <20030130082150.GA9058@anthonychavez.org> <20030130123201.2dbfccdc.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CdrF4e02JqNVZeln" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030130123201.2dbfccdc.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.anthonychavez.org/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --CdrF4e02JqNVZeln Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 12:32:01PM -0500, Tom Rhodes = wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:21:51 -0700 > "Anthony C. Chavez" wrote: > > Apologies to freebsd-advocacy members for the mess. >=20 > Your apologies are not needed here, Anthony. You did nothing wrong > or ignorant. :) It's refreshing to know that someone feels that way. :-) --=20 Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org --CdrF4e02JqNVZeln Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+OWgSbZTbIaRBRXERAhBFAJ0RdYRtCgttvQmA6FKbCxzpurPPRQCffY0r DYkE2nYVf9qsoK79FOyUsEU= =L30W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CdrF4e02JqNVZeln-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 11:30:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C60037B405 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BD543F43 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:30:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0UJUOj7018577; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:30:26 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Gary W. Swearingen'" Cc: Subject: RE: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:30:13 +0100 Message-ID: <007101c2c896$032d1150$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <7r4r7rinil.r7r@localhost.localdomain> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > I just joined this list. The five messages of this thread > which I just > downloaded used 1284 lines for 22 lines of original text. > Hmm... I just got home from work after an interesting day... The first thing I see is a TON of messages on the advocacy stuff in my inbox.... Eventhough I personally do not have to worry about paying for anything but my ADSL line, I see how it could make some people unhappy. > Am I wrong to note that? Is there no need to worry about > anybody's costs > of transmission and storage? Or readers need to scroll > messages to search > for embedded comments which aren't there? > Good point.. You are not completely wrong.. I know that I am guilty of keeping way too much extra stuff in my replies as well.. I'm working on it. :) It can be a bit annoying.. :) -Stacy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 11:42:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B290737B401; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:42:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB7D43F43; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:42:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0UJgbj7018618; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:42:37 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Peter Kieser'" , "'Tom Rhodes'" Cc: , Subject: RE: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRelproject Charter Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:42:26 +0100 Message-ID: <007301c2c897$b81dc1d0$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1043884962.677.20.camel@sharpie> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 15:57, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > I'm not likeing how you conduct yourselves on `this list' as the > > constant emails are driving me nuts. Come on guys, just set > > something up and do it. Thanks. Tom, we are trying.. Please bear with us.. I know that it gets a little hard to swallow 20+ messages in one afternoon, but I think that we ARE making progress.. > > We're working on it, but this is a mailing list. Where else are we > supposed to communicate to a large number of people. We've tried IRC > (We've setup a channel on irc.striked.org as #bsd-advocacy), > and nobody > showed up (nobody as in 2 or 3 people, that were directly involved in > the project). There is not much else we CAN do to get this > thing off the > ground without mailing it to the list. > Peter, the IRC thing is a good idea.. I'm just wondering if people are a bit skeptical of using it.. > Also, I fail to see any guidelines for this mailing list as Gary seems > to have pointed, maybe one of you should create the code of conduct to > follow on this list if your so irritated by what goes on on this list. > Like I said, PLEASE KEEP THIS FROM GETTING PERSONAL. I don't want to see this escalate any further....it's counterproductive to what *WE* are trying to accomplish.. -Stacy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 11:48:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478E637B401; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:48:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E7A43F75; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:48:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0UJmHj7018639; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:48:17 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Giorgos Keramidas'" Cc: , Subject: RE: [bsd-advocacy] Wait for me! Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:48:05 +0100 Message-ID: <007401c2c898$82452930$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030129220127.GA1568@gothmog.gr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Since I'm not actively helping a lot with the whole PubRel idea, don't > let me cause problems or inhibit the work you're about to do. But... > > I'm not sure I like the last sentence of 3.b a lot. I tend to prefer > thinking of the BSDs as one large group of Unix developers, > professionals and enthusiasts whose common goal is to enhance, > develop, promote and advocate "BSD". > > I already know of at least two persons who are interested both in > FreeBSD and one of the other BSDs. Why would you want to restrict > access to these core advocacy teams? > It was just a suggestion.. I'm trying to get people thinking about *HOW* this will be organized.. I appreciate your input, thanks. :) > > I also don't like the way "core team" is being used to identify the > group that steers FreeBSD advocacy and public relations. There is > much confusion and a lot of unclear vagueness that is waiting there > for a chance to confuse the unwary reader. The previous two snippets > refer to "core team" but it is only the use of the word "FreeBSD" in > front of the "FreeBSD project core team" that hints towards the team > of persons that receive core@freebsd.org mail. > I see your point.. I originally used core to denote the central people in the PubRel project. I can see how it would become confusing using terminoligy that is already being used to describe something else. Hmmm, any ideas on another way to word this? > When this whole effort starts working towards common goals with the > "OpenBSD advocacy team" and the "NetBSD advocacy team" you will have > to distinguish between the three teams too. What will the term > "FreeBSD project core team" refer to then? > true.. true.. > I'm not part of the core@freebsd.org team. Advocacy is, though, a > game that some times depends on the ability to communicate the precise > meaning of what is being written, with sharp clarity and no chance of > being confusing. This is why I thought I'd mention the possibility of > "core team" being a choise for a name that is less than optimal. > > - Giorgos Yes, I see your points.. Thank you for your input.. :) Comments like this are what is going to help with trying to sort out this thing and ensure that nobody has overlooked any details.. -Stacy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 11:49:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CD337B4C6; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8464343F79; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:49:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0UJncj7018652; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:49:41 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Terry Lambert'" , "'Peter Kieser'" Cc: "'Tom Rhodes'" , , Subject: RE: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRelproject Charter Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:49:27 +0100 Message-ID: <007501c2c898$b2fbdd30$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3E388F13.59D0D449@mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Peter Kieser wrote: > > We're working on it, but this is a mailing list. Where else are we > > supposed to communicate to a large number of people. > > Wherever you do it, please don't cross-post between the lists, > if you are going to reject cross-posted responses as a result > of "Reply All" in most mail clients. Gotcha.. :) You are right.. it is annoying.. :) > > When I corrected the formatting, so that people didn't reject > your message by not reading it past the point of noting the bad > formatting, the message was rejected by one of the lists you > cross-posted to. > Hmm... > -Stacy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 11:55:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AAEF37B4E9 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0298A43F3F for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:55:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0UJtJj7018680; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:55:19 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Anthony C. Chavez'" , Subject: RE: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRel project Charter Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:55:05 +0100 Message-ID: <007601c2c899$7e03b980$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030130082150.GA9058@anthonychavez.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I set up bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org for precisely that > reason: so that > the people involved in organizing this effort could > brainstorm with one > another, and the good folks on freebsd-advocacy wouldn't have to deal > with the already tiresome thread. > > I've said it before, and I'll say it again. It's time to move this > conversation to that (and only that) list, folks! Ok.. We need to quit cross posting. My own cross posts are starting to drive me crazy. :) Let's move to the list Anthony created and start focusing on this charter and less on correcting each other.. please.. I've picked up a new HD today for the PIII 450 ( my new FreeBSD desktop, since I really do not want to mess with a perfectly running server and try to make it a desktop as well).. So you should start seeing posts by me that are better (right now I am forcing myself to watch the line wrapping). So, let's go over to the other list.. That will free this channel up for other things! See you there! -Stacy > > And furthermore, what is the point of sending charter drafts to > freebsd-advocacy??? Why aren't we working out the drafts on > bsd-advocacy until we have something worth submitting to those > individuals that we need to get approval from? > > Apologies to freebsd-advocacy members for the mess. > Yes, I am sorry.. In my over eagerness to try to get as many people involved, I did the classic no no and cross posted to the wrong list.. I apologize. > -- > Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org -Stacy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 15:39:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C890F37B405; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2317B43F3F; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:39:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0073.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.73] helo=mindspring.com) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18eOHP-00066U-00; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:39:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3E39B755.34A8253@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:37:57 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stacy Olivas Cc: 'Peter Kieser' , 'Tom Rhodes' , swear@attbi.com, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRelproject Charter References: <007501c2c898$b2fbdd30$0502000a@sentinel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4697461e3d96eabd89feae5083044a131666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stacy Olivas wrote: > > When I corrected the formatting, so that people didn't reject > > your message by not reading it past the point of noting the bad > > formatting, the message was rejected by one of the lists you > > cross-posted to. > > Hmm... The bsd-advocacy list at Daemon News is a closed list, not open to postings from people not on that list. Severaly messages were cross-posted to that list and to this one. Replies by readers on this list to those postings, if those readers are not also members of that list, result in a moderator intercept for the message on that list, and an automatic nasty-gram back to the sender. FWIW. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 15:55:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494C237B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3D943F3F for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 15:55:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b205.otenet.gr [212.205.244.213]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0UNtdVq009595 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:55:39 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0UNtcqA031231 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:55:38 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0UNtbPo031190 for advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:55:37 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:55:37 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRelproject Charter Message-ID: <20030130235537.GB758@gothmog.gr> References: <007501c2c898$b2fbdd30$0502000a@sentinel> <3E39B755.34A8253@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E39B755.34A8253@mindspring.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2003-01-30 15:37, Terry Lambert wrote: > Stacy Olivas wrote: > > > When I corrected the formatting, so that people didn't reject > > > your message by not reading it past the point of noting the bad > > > formatting, the message was rejected by one of the lists you > > > cross-posted to. > > > > Hmm... > > The bsd-advocacy list at Daemon News is a closed list, not open to > postings from people not on that list. Severaly messages were > cross-posted to that list and to this one. Replies by readers on > this list to those postings, if those readers are not also members > of that list, result in a moderator intercept for the message on > that list, and an automatic nasty-gram back to the sender. FWIW. The bsd-advocacy list is an "only members can post" list, which is a nice way to fight spam. But, cross-posting is nasty. I just hit 'g' in mutt to reply to a crosspost. The message reached freebsd-advocacy fine, but I got a reply back from the bsd-advocacy list manager saying "Your message awaits moderator approval". I'm not one who likes forcing his opinion on the bsd-advocacy owner(s), but everyone should either discuss things here (in freebsd-advocacy) or there (on bsd-advocacy). I'd probably prefer the former list though, since the freebsd-advocacy list is open to everyone and the occasional lurker who reads threads but doesn't reply to each and every post might have things to post that are well thought out and worthy of mentioning/discussing. - Giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 16:12:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1F637B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:12:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from digiflux.org (43.Red-80-59-151.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.59.151.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A3443E4A for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:12:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olivas@digiflux.org) Received: from sentinel (sniffy [10.0.0.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by digiflux.org (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0V0BWj7019886; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:11:32 +0100 (CET) From: "Stacy Olivas" To: "'Giorgos Keramidas'" Cc: Subject: RE: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRelproject Charter Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:11:20 +0100 Message-ID: <00a601c2c8bd$48dc5a90$0502000a@sentinel> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030130235537.GB758@gothmog.gr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm not one who likes forcing his opinion on the bsd-advocacy > owner(s), > but everyone should either discuss things here (in freebsd-advocacy) > or there (on bsd-advocacy). I'd probably prefer the former list > though, since the freebsd-advocacy list is open to everyone and the > occasional lurker who reads threads but doesn't reply to each and > every post might have things to post that are well thought out and > worthy of mentioning/discussing. > We're gonna use the other list for now.. Since we've seemed to inadvertantly rubbed off the wrong way on a few (from our unintentional breach of normal ettiquette - gomen nasai!). I will, however watch this list and, if anyone wants to use this to comment on what they see, please feel free to do so.. If you do post to the other list, I'm sure that the current moderator will release your post out to the list (just give them some time). Thanks. -Stacy > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 16:28: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E52137B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:27:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A867443F85 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:27:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0073.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.73] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18eP1z-0006k8-00; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:27:44 -0800 Message-ID: <3E39C28F.F26DC60E@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:25:51 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRelproject Charter References: <007501c2c898$b2fbdd30$0502000a@sentinel> <3E39B755.34A8253@mindspring.com> <20030130235537.GB758@gothmog.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a41abbc5eaa86f94f55f85b9a4faeefb12a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > I'm not one who likes forcing his opinion on the bsd-advocacy owner(s), > but everyone should either discuss things here (in freebsd-advocacy) > or there (on bsd-advocacy). I'd probably prefer the former list > though, since the freebsd-advocacy list is open to everyone and the > occasional lurker who reads threads but doesn't reply to each and > every post might have things to post that are well thought out and > worthy of mentioning/discussing. I'm really divided on this idea. I like the idea of a FreeBSD-advocacy list that is central, and where there are enough lurkers that some good idea can spark involvement in normally passive observers. On the other hand, I think that an advocacy group needs to hold itself seperate from the project, once it has found a mission or missions for itself. The reason for the seperation, and the reason that my second comment on their proposed charter was, in effect, "Do not make yourselves subservient to the FreeBSD core team", is that the bulk of the people involved in FreeBSD technical developement are unqualified for making decisions relating to PR. In particular, the core team members and the average committers do not value PR work sufficiently to give it, say, the moral equivalent status as "GEOM" or other code-work. For example, no matter who was on a "PR team", it is unlikely that the core team or the release engineers would permit a release schedule, for a -RELEASE version, to be fixed to a date for PR reasons... yet that is almost a requirement to be able to get magazine coverage, which has a 3 month lead time on editorial content. They are also not good at it, or there would not be people stepping up to the plate and pointing to it as a lack that they are willing to expend personal time and effort to correct. Finally, the project, proper, doesn't really see PR as something which is lacking. What this basically means is that any group that's doing PR really needs to focus on "How shall we do this thing?", and not on "Should we do this thing?", and being too closely tied to the project or a "lurker's list" will mean arguments over direction with people not helping put in the actual work. By keeping the discussion in the "advocacy" on freebsd.org list, they would be opening themselves up to arm-chair quarterbacking from just those people who have been so ineffective at PR that the people forming the new group felt the need to form a new group. The other good argument for seperation, to my mind, is that, like the college that has a rowing team, a football team, a baseball team, a fencing team, etc., etc., not all groups will have the same methods or goals, -- neither should they -- but all groups, by their efforts, contribute to the same goal of obtaining new publicity, and often obtain it from non-overlapping sets. I was somewhat annoyed at the list being hosted at Daemon News, but hosting it there is at least a degree of seperation that would otherwise not be there, and it's at least a start on the group of groups that will ultimately be necessary for their mission to be successful, in the long term. Hosting it there is better than a freebsd.org list, in any case. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 16:30:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1546437B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9340143F3F for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:30:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0073.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.73] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18eP4m-00078B-00; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:30:37 -0800 Message-ID: <3E39C33C.E62A6DEB@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:28:44 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stacy Olivas Cc: 'Giorgos Keramidas' , advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRelproject Charter References: <00a601c2c8bd$48dc5a90$0502000a@sentinel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a43ce2d7430eb598ac0240825bea31e67e387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stacy Olivas wrote: > We're gonna use the other list for now.. Since we've seemed to > inadvertantly rubbed off the wrong way on a few (from our > unintentional breach of normal ettiquette - gomen nasai!). > > I will, however watch this list and, if anyone wants to use this to > comment on what they see, please feel free to do so.. > > If you do post to the other list, I'm sure that the current moderator > will release your post out to the list (just give them some time). FWIW: The very first thing you should do with the other list is make sure it is being archived somewhere. If you care to, it would be nice if you could post the archive location here, or a page that has a pointer to the archive location, if you want to make it a little less likely to be arm-chair quarterbacked. 8-). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 16:56:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C747F37B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:56:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82D843E4A for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:56:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b174.otenet.gr [212.205.244.182]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0V0uBVq017230; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 02:56:14 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0V0u57T020844; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 02:56:05 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0V0hDbK000603; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 02:43:13 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 02:43:13 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Stacy Olivas Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRelproject Charter Message-ID: <20030131004312.GA573@gothmog.gr> References: <20030130235537.GB758@gothmog.gr> <00a601c2c8bd$48dc5a90$0502000a@sentinel> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00a601c2c8bd$48dc5a90$0502000a@sentinel> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2003-01-31 01:11, Stacy Olivas wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > I'd probably prefer the former list [freesd-advocacy] though, > > since the freebsd-advocacy list is open to everyone and the > > occasional lurker who reads threads but doesn't reply to each and > > every post might have things to post that are well thought out and > > worthy of mentioning/discussing. > > We're gonna use the other list for now.. Okay. That's good to know. > I will, however watch this list and, if anyone wants to use this to > comment on what they see, please feel free to do so. Thanks. If I think that I have the time/energy to contribute to public relations work more actively, I think I'll subscribe to the bsd-advocacy list. It seems more proper. This is what I will suggest from now on to others too. > If you do post to the other list, I'm sure that the current > moderator will release your post out to the list (just give > them some time). Yep. Moderation isn't an easy task. I can understand that some time is required for posts to get through. No problem(s) there. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 17: 0:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F7B37B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:00:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (anthonychavez.org [166.70.15.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF5C43F79 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:00:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acc@anthonychavez.org) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (acc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0V0wovw019370; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:58:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from acc@athena.anthonychavez.org) Received: (from acc@localhost) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0V0woKO019369; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:58:50 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:58:50 -0700 From: "Anthony C. Chavez" To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRelproject Charter Message-ID: <20030131005850.GA19147@anthonychavez.org> References: <007501c2c898$b2fbdd30$0502000a@sentinel> <3E39B755.34A8253@mindspring.com> <20030130235537.GB758@gothmog.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030130235537.GB758@gothmog.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.anthonychavez.org/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 01:55:37AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > The bsd-advocacy list is an "only members can post" list, which is a > nice way to fight spam. But, cross-posting is nasty. I just hit 'g' > in mutt to reply to a crosspost. The message reached freebsd-advocacy > fine, but I got a reply back from the bsd-advocacy list manager saying > "Your message awaits moderator approval". Although the damage has already been done, it is now an open list. I have to take the blame for the mess that it caused, as I am the list owner. Again, I apologize. bsd-advocates: This is not a license to start crossposting again. Before crossposting, you should rationalize the ~need~ to crosspost, and rationalize it well. --=20 Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+OcpKbZTbIaRBRXERAhsxAJ9VjV7SEz+pnWFk0qZGsbZp63roMQCfQR9A NlweAZKXYBFKRRAaVjgKCOU= =Yeql -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 17: 1:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69DE437B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (anthonychavez.org [166.70.15.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFFEC43F3F for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:01:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acc@anthonychavez.org) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (acc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0V109vw019403; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:00:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from acc@athena.anthonychavez.org) Received: (from acc@localhost) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0V109Xu019402; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:00:09 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:00:09 -0700 From: "Anthony C. Chavez" To: Terry Lambert Cc: Stacy Olivas , "'Giorgos Keramidas'" , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRelproject Charter Message-ID: <20030131010009.GB19147@anthonychavez.org> References: <00a601c2c8bd$48dc5a90$0502000a@sentinel> <3E39C33C.E62A6DEB@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E39C33C.E62A6DEB@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.anthonychavez.org/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 04:28:44PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > FWIW: The very first thing you should do with the other list > is make sure it is being archived somewhere. Done. > If you care to, it would be nice if you could post the archive > location here, or a page that has a pointer to the archive location, > if you want to make it a little less likely to be arm-chair > quarterbacked. 8-). https://secure.daemonnews.org/pipermail/bsd-advocacy/ --=20 Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+OcqZbZTbIaRBRXERAqNcAJ9FmRK5HfcEslUnsP/JDyWBEsftywCfXMZZ iNH6PCjisEfLOukteTsnG6A= =Y/WO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 17: 3:54 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2085C37B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:03:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1909C43F79 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:03:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown[12.242.158.67]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with ESMTP id <2003013101035100300jus8pe>; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:03:51 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0V13I5F008502 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:03:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h0V13Dio008499; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:03:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRelproject Charter References: <007501c2c898$b2fbdd30$0502000a@sentinel> <3E39B755.34A8253@mindspring.com> <20030130235537.GB758@gothmog.gr> <3E39C28F.F26DC60E@mindspring.com> From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 30 Jan 2003 17:03:13 -0800 In-Reply-To: <3E39C28F.F26DC60E@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert writes: > I'm really divided on this idea. ... > On the other hand, I think that an advocacy group needs to > hold itself seperate from the project, once it has found a > mission or missions for itself. Terry makes a good (and better) argument for that hand, but it sorta depends on the people (call them "developers") who are not in the publicity project to stop doing what they've been doing in the absense of a publicity project. I foresee some conflicts ahead if the publicity people try to get too independent, unless the developers are willing to "cede territory". Maybe the developers would rather not have to worry about it, but I hope the publicity people do sufficient coordination with the others before just announcing that they're ready to go to work (i.e., take over). I'm not implying they haven't already; I don't know. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jan 30 17: 8:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683D137B401 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:08:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (anthonychavez.org [166.70.15.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C5D443F43 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:08:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acc@anthonychavez.org) Received: from athena.anthonychavez.org (acc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0V16uvw019498; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:06:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from acc@athena.anthonychavez.org) Received: (from acc@localhost) by athena.anthonychavez.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0V16uEu019497; Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:06:56 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:06:56 -0700 From: "Anthony C. Chavez" To: Terry Lambert Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRelproject Charter Message-ID: <20030131010656.GC19147@anthonychavez.org> References: <007501c2c898$b2fbdd30$0502000a@sentinel> <3E39B755.34A8253@mindspring.com> <20030130235537.GB758@gothmog.gr> <3E39C28F.F26DC60E@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jousvV0MzM2p6OtC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E39C28F.F26DC60E@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-PGP-Key: http://www.anthonychavez.org/pubkey.asc Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --jousvV0MzM2p6OtC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 04:25:51PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > The reason for the seperation, [snip] Those were exactly the reasons that I created the list in the first place. :-) > I was somewhat annoyed at the list being hosted at Daemon News, > but hosting it there is at least a degree of seperation that > would otherwise not be there, and it's at least a start on the > group of groups that will ultimately be necessary for their > mission to be successful, in the long term. Hosting it there is > better than a freebsd.org list, in any case. The reason it was created in the DN domain was because, initially, there was significant interest in having the project hosted by DN. We have since settled on moving the project into a domain with no affiliation (bsdevents.org), and I will opt to move the list there once our sysadmin returns on Monday. --=20 Anthony Chavez http://www.anthonychavez.org/ mailto:acc@anthonychavez.org jabber:acc@jabber.anthonychavez.org --jousvV0MzM2p6OtC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+OcwwbZTbIaRBRXERAmcVAJwJ6E4veGzIG2qVFjUyhGzOZxdpQwCfbMmh rA419aOPflqVVH8njxDL5y4= =z8Wv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jousvV0MzM2p6OtC-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jan 31 5:10:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E71C37B401 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 05:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0E543FA7 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 05:10:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0VDAVc4025760; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:10:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0VDATHD025759; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:10:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:10:29 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Terry Lambert Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRelproject Charter Message-ID: <20030131081028.B25507@blackhelicopters.org> References: <007501c2c898$b2fbdd30$0502000a@sentinel> <3E39B755.34A8253@mindspring.com> <20030130235537.GB758@gothmog.gr> <3E39C28F.F26DC60E@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3E39C28F.F26DC60E@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 04:25:51PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 04:25:51PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > In particular, the core team members and the average committers > do not value PR work sufficiently to give it, say, the moral > equivalent status as "GEOM" or other code-work. Actually, I have to take some (mild) objection to this. My press relations work within the Project has been greatly supported by both core and re@. It has required a certain amount of education on what PR means and how the game is played. These people aren't dumb, and they aren't even ignorant; they just haven't played that game before. We have finally been able to arrange for a PR Newswire membership (thank you, Foundation!), as it's been demonstrated that without that a press release will go nowhere. Will re@ hold to a release date for marketing purposes? Probably not. But that's part of the nature of how open source projects staffed almost entirely by volunteers are run. If we had a highly paid staff of developers, that would be a different matter. "The FreeBSD Project" is not just about code. It's about producing something. For example, we on doc@ are held in high regard. While at times I may feel inferior because I cannot follow the latest discussion on kernel architecture in arch@, I have *never* been treated as a second-class citizen just because I don't code. That's because I produce actual content which other people can use, and I give it away, just like the programmers. Advocacy work is unquestionably work. I happen to know that commit bits have been offered to certain advocates who produce neither code nor committable docs, but their advocacy work has been important and far-reaching enough that we feel they have earned the right to the @freebsd.org address. In the cases I am aware of, the advocates have turned down the offer. (I'm not going to name names here, at least one person involved is on this list and I don't care to either embarrass him or subject him to a flood of email of "why did you turn it down?" It's nobody's business but his.) Internally, the "FreeBSD Project" is highly interested in advocacy work that creates content. Some of this content is useful for inclusion in one of our source repositories. Some of it is not. If it is not suitable for inclusion in our source repo, we don't need to do anything except say "thank you." But we definitely appreciate people who go out and pound the pavement. Since pounding pavement does not produce content, however, there's no need for action from "The FreBSD Project." All we have to do is keep producing content for others to advocate (or not advocate, if they choose). ==ml PS: Why do I keep putting "The FreeBSD Project" in quotes here? Well, that's because in my opinion it's a lot more amorphous than people seem to think. There is no Project; there are just people who work on FreeBSD. There is no person or group that can approve your project to advocate FreeBSD, but there is nobody that can tell you *not* to do it. True, you cannot send out a legal document in the name of FreeBSD, but you can do dang near anything else. -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Absolute BSD: http://www.AbsoluteBSD.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jan 31 16:34:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864C737B401; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:34:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DEC643F43; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:34:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0203.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.203] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18elbw-00063Z-00; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:34:21 -0800 Message-ID: <3E3B0D58.4D2FB13C@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:57:12 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Lucas Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [bsd-advocacy] Re: Draft: Proposed FreeBSD PubRelproject Charter References: <007501c2c898$b2fbdd30$0502000a@sentinel> <3E39B755.34A8253@mindspring.com> <20030130235537.GB758@gothmog.gr> <3E39C28F.F26DC60E@mindspring.com> <20030131081028.B25507@blackhelicopters.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4fec0bdacb2757808b4b0fb7beb9bc6d7667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Michael Lucas wrote: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 04:25:51PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > > In particular, the core team members and the average committers > > do not value PR work sufficiently to give it, say, the moral > > equivalent status as "GEOM" or other code-work. > > Actually, I have to take some (mild) objection to this. > > My press relations work within the Project has been greatly supported > by both core and re@. It has required a certain amount of education > on what PR means and how the game is played. These people aren't > dumb, and they aren't even ignorant; they just haven't played that > game before. We have finally been able to arrange for a PR Newswire > membership (thank you, Foundation!), as it's been demonstrated that > without that a press release will go nowhere. My point was to how they value PR. The common response to most suggestion/complaints/questions/etc. is a terse "send patches". The problem is that a marketing program can not really be effective without some form of project sanction, *if* it's to take place within the project itself. The intent of placing oneself in a subservient position is to obtain defacto sanction. But in doing that, you come not as a peer, but as a supplicant. Various people have put themselves forth, in the past, producing publicity for the project, etc.. Brett Glass and Jordan Hubbard are examples. Jordan was mostly effective because he could speak on behalf of the project leadership, and do so with sufficient reserve that he was able to commit resources through his leadership. He was "official spokesperson", in part, because of his membership in the original core team organization, and in part, because of his ability to "send patches" -- both in their generation, and in his personal ability to commit them to the source tree. These days, there is a significant amount of buearocracy, and the "review process" has engulfed the ability of people to personally make a difference in project direction, merely by being a willing contributor of source code. At this point, in fact, merely being a willing contributor of source code *with a commit bit* is not enough to avoid sanction for changes to the status quo. The organization has become insular, and self-defensive against change; this is not a recent thing: it's been an ongoing process, but that doesn't make the effects: John Dyson leaving, Jordan leaving, Mike Smith leaving, other people dropping out of participation (Satoshi as "ports-meister", etc.), and so on. In order to be effective, any focus of change has to occur outside the normal channels of the project, proper. This is as true with a PR effort as it is, for example, with KSE, or ports to other CPU architectures (all current examples). People are, at this moment, arguing whether or not a "config" change is going to be permitted, even though it's a necessary step in porting to the PPC and MIPS architectures. People are standing in the way: they are not asking how the work should go forward, but *if* it should be *permitted* to go forward, as if volunteer efforts required sanction to take place. Well, they do, if they are to occur under cover of authority, in the context of the project, proper. Someone made the suggestion that the PC98 architecture be converted to this new style of "config". The reasoning behind this was transparent to me, and so I threw what philosophical weight I could behind the idea: to demostrate to the skeptics that such a change would not impact their daily lives, so they could feel "safe" in not hindering it. > Will re@ hold to a release date for marketing purposes? Probably not. If there were official sanction, then yes, it would. It did. There is historical precedent for this in FreeBSD. Jordan was in a position, as both PR contact and release engineer, to be able to make this happen. He was able to synchronize releases with major events, and with press releases that had lead times appropriate to the publication/forum. We all knew about the Usenix release, for example, and Jordan was there to hand out CDROMs with the new release on it, coincident with the release appearing in the media. At this point, though, you're right: "re@" would not hold a release date for marketing purposes. And part of the reason for this is that they would feel that this would be giving power over them to marketing, which is something that they don't value enough to yield power over, even if the yeilding is in fact an illustion of when a disk is cut, rather than when a tree is tagged, so that a code feeze doesn't mean voluntarily ceasing to make checkins on the HEAD branch. > But that's part of the nature of how open source projects staffed > almost entirely by volunteers are run. If we had a highly paid staff > of developers, that would be a different matter. Yes and no. A business is a system, and a volunteer organization is also a system. What it comes down to is the core values and mission of the organization, not whether or not people are paid for their efforts in the coin of dollars, or the coin of ego, or some other coin, such as wanting to leave a better situation for those to follow. It's true that you can't schedule volunteer resources -- unless they volunteer to be scheduled -- but it's also true that the same thing that motivates you to volunteer effort can motivate you to show up at your job, Monday morning, instead of showing up at a competitors HR department. That thing is called "vision". And, while the project attempts to create a focus, and does moderately well at supporting the feedbck mechanisms that reinforce particular focus for efforts, in the end, focus is no substitute for vision. When people tell you to focus on a goal, what they are really saying is that they are managing a crises, and they can't see any farther than the immediate short term goal -- that they have no roadmap, are as clueless as the next guy as to what the future will bring, and are focussing on the short term as a way of compensating for this lack of direction. The only thing they know for sure is that they have a means of stomping out fires, and they can always wait for the next fire, and demonstrate how good they are at stomping them out, and if it's a slow week, they can start their own. > "The FreeBSD Project" is not just about code. It's about producing > something. For example, we on doc@ are held in high regard. While at > times I may feel inferior because I cannot follow the latest > discussion on kernel architecture in arch@, I have *never* been > treated as a second-class citizen just because I don't code. That's > because I produce actual content which other people can use, and I > give it away, just like the programmers. You are in the same boat as a regular developer... for the most part. Because you commit something to the source tree, it doesn't matter that it's documentation, your contribution is visible, and, if anyone cares to make the effort, at least measurable. On the other hand, documentation *is* a second class citizen, to code, according to the project powers, or there would be a documentation requirement for new subsystems. I'm firmly convinced that the major reason people have not converted all the code from the old way of doing things to the new way, when it comes to APM vs. ACPI and the APM "screen saver", or "newbus" for everything, or "GEOM" for raidframe and Vinum, or making everything "devfs knowledgable" or the AHA15xx drivers not being there when CAM first went in, or the AppleTalk, X.25 and ISODE support dissapearing when the new routing code went in, etc., etc. ... derives from the fact that there was a lack of documentation. And if documentation were a first class citizen, then there would have been a requirement that the authors provide at least enough data to document their APIs, if not their code, so that third parties would be able to actually use them, instead of code "getting stale" (impossible: there is no such thing as bit-rot, there's only half-assed porting jobs). The most apparent example of this trend right now, in FreeBSD, is the SMP locking: there's not enough documentation for people to be able to contribute usefully to the project, even if they are knowledgable engineers, unless they already have built their kindom into the area where they are entering: people can only operate within restricted domains, where they have credibility to spend. Credibility that they might not gain back, if spent this way. Some obvious questions, which should be answered by documentation: o What is the overriding locking philosophy for the SMP effort? o Do you lock a code path? o Do you lock a data object or container? o How do you make sure people aren't using one lock to achieve the effect of the other? o What's the quick way to fix a lock order reversal? o What's the philosophy about holding locks over function calls? o Is it an attribute of the function being called? o If so, how can you know ahead of time which functions have which attributes? o Where is it documented? These questions are only vaguely answered -- not well enough that code does not ship with daily posts to the -current list about "LOR this" or "LOR that". > Advocacy work is unquestionably work. I happen to know that commit > bits have been offered to certain advocates who produce neither code > nor committable docs, but their advocacy work has been important and > far-reaching enough that we feel they have earned the right to the > @freebsd.org address. In the cases I am aware of, the advocates have > turned down the offer. (I'm not going to name names here, at least > one person involved is on this list and I don't care to either > embarrass him or subject him to a flood of email of "why did you turn > it down?" It's nobody's business but his.) Philosophically, I can well understand the refusal. If the commit bit is a plaque on your wall for service to the project, rather than a gating factor, it becomes a goal in itself to obtain it as a reward. It is no longer a tool to use to achieve an objective, it is an ends in itself. I suspect that there are many people who, after an initial amount of effort after achieving their commit bit, and getting the "FreeBSD Committer" to put on their resume to imply to potential employers that they are buying some small editorial control over the project with the employee, have not committed anything for a very long time. I also suspect that there are those for whom having their name in the CVS logs is more important than actually doing any real work of value, and they make large commits of mechanical changes, in order to have their name attached. There might even be behind-the-scenes versions of "core wars", where coup is counted by who has touched a file last, or who has the most files with their initials on it, or some other arbitrary (and ultimately meaningless, in terms of moving the project forward) measure. It would be very interesting to see statistics, up to the point that this posting was made, and potentially made people rethink what they were doing, or at least think about making it less obvious. > Internally, the "FreeBSD Project" is highly interested in advocacy > work that creates content. Some of this content is useful for > inclusion in one of our source repositories. Some of it is not. If > it is not suitable for inclusion in our source repo, we don't need to > do anything except say "thank you." The valuation is high for committable material. I've generated a lot of it myself. > But we definitely appreciate people who go out and pound the pavement. > Since pounding pavement does not produce content, however, there's no > need for action from "The FreBSD Project." All we have to do is keep > producing content for others to advocate (or not advocate, if they > choose). Who has written the most articles mentioning FreeBSD? I would bet that the person who, by far, holds the record, is, in fact, well known to us all. But their contributions are uniformly disparaged on the mailing lists, and they have, in fact, been banned from some of them in the past, or simply "kicked off", and forced to resubscribe. > PS: Why do I keep putting "The FreeBSD Project" in quotes here? Well, > that's because in my opinion it's a lot more amorphous than people > seem to think. There is no Project; there are just people who work on > FreeBSD. There is no person or group that can approve your project to > advocate FreeBSD, but there is nobody that can tell you *not* to do > it. True, you cannot send out a legal document in the name of > FreeBSD, but you can do dang near anything else. The power derives from control of the source tree, and the tokens of power which are handed out are community membership, in terms of commit bits, and mailing list membership. What is given, either explicitly, or tacitly, thorough it's ability to be taken away. One of the main reasons I've advocated avoiding yielding internal power (e.g. "PR core team member removal") to the project itself is to avoid involvement in this funnel of centralization, and immediate inferior hierarchy relationships (as docs is to the rest of FreeBSD committers). You are unlikely to be nearly as effective in any PR effort, if you yield the power to technocrats. They will not sabotage you intentionally, but the effect will be the same as if they had. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message