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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Mar 10 17: 7:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD1637B401 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:07:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (eth0.lnk.aims.com.au [203.31.73.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313A943F3F for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:07:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nigel@e-easy.com.au) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (nts-ts1.aims.private [192.168.10.2]) by postoffice.aims.com.au with ESMTP id h2B0KXhH041889 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:20:33 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from nigel@e-easy.com.au) Received: from ntsts1 by aims.com.au with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v6.7.2.T) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:20:29 +1100 From: "Nigel Weeks" To: , "'Michael W . Lucas'" Cc: Subject: User and Machine Stats - more info? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:20:26 +1100 Message-ID: <000c01c2e764$051fef40$020aa8c0@aims.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3E688802.16508.E7200C@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Importance: High X-Return-Path: nigel@e-easy.com.au X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: nigel@e-easy.com.au X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-101.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,USER_IN_WHITELIST,X_PRIORITY_HIGH version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Here's the primary edition. If the *BSD community is interested in what other members of the *BSD community are doing, take a look, and suggest more fields, etc, so I can add them in. It's only a rough cut, so comments are valuable! Surely everyone who uses *BSD is interested in what others are doing?...maybe it's just me. Nige. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Mar 10 18:58: 3 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B71B37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:58:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (eth0.lnk.aims.com.au [203.31.73.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CA143FB1 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:58:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nigel@e-easy.com.au) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (nts-ts1.aims.private [192.168.10.2]) by postoffice.aims.com.au with ESMTP id h2B2veHq044930 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:57:40 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from nigel@e-easy.com.au) Received: from ntsts1 by aims.com.au with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v6.7.2.T) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:57:38 +1100 From: "Nigel Weeks" To: , "'Michael W . Lucas'" Cc: Subject: User and Machine stats...sorry... Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:57:37 +1100 Message-ID: <001701c2e779$f99277e0$020aa8c0@aims.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3E688802.16508.E7200C@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Importance: High X-Return-Path: nigel@e-easy.com.au X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: nigel@e-easy.com.au X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-101.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,USER_IN_WHITELIST,X_PRIORITY_HIGH version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terribly sorry. Here's a link. http://ecr.sf.net/bsdc/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Mar 10 19:35:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695DC37B404 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:35:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from xeon.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B83443F3F for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:35:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: by xeon.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 605B93F4A; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xeon.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD4E3F49; Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:37:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:37:07 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Langille X-X-Sender: dan@xeon.unixathome.org To: Nigel Weeks Cc: "'Michael W . Lucas'" , "" Subject: Re: User and Machine Stats - more info? In-Reply-To: <000c01c2e764$051fef40$020aa8c0@aims.private> Message-ID: <20030310223322.T62620@xeon.unixathome.org> References: <000c01c2e764$051fef40$020aa8c0@aims.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Nigel Weeks wrote: > Here's the primary edition. > > If the *BSD community is interested in what other members of the *BSD > community are doing, take a look, and suggest more fields, etc, so I can add > them in. > > It's only a rough cut, so comments are valuable! > > Surely everyone who uses *BSD is interested in what others are > doing?...maybe it's just me. What I saw was a database schema (http://ecr.sf.net/bsdc/). That's pretty hard to digest in text form. A picture helps more. If you can draw one, that will help us to understand the schema better than just the text. If you have a mock up of what the website will be and what it will show, please make it available. That will show us the information available and how the pages link to each other. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Mar 11 5: 8:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C923737B401 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 05:08:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA6743FB1 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 05:08:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a145.otenet.gr [212.205.215.145]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BD7LmU026135; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:07:47 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BBuUTf023014; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:56:30 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BBuUPL023013; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:56:30 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:56:30 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Dan Langille , Nigel Weeks Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User and Machine Stats - more info? Message-ID: <20030311115630.GB22662@gothmog.gr> References: <000c01c2e764$051fef40$020aa8c0@aims.private> <20030310223322.T62620@xeon.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030310223322.T62620@xeon.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2003-03-10 22:37, Dan Langille wrote: > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Nigel Weeks wrote: > > If the *BSD community is interested in what other members of the > > *BSD community are doing, take a look, and suggest more fields, > > etc, so I can add them in. > > [...] > If you have a mock up of what the website will be and what it will > show, please make it available. That will show us the information > available and how the pages link to each other. True, true. A prototype of a site is always nicer to stare at, and much easier to make comments about. Not everyone can read database schemas in text form, but I'm sure a lot more people can quickly check out a site and say "Cool!", "Awesome!", etc. - - Giorgos -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+bc7u1g+UGjGGA7YRAhB4AJ9bBMqb1uEvZEGPPYxz/sPMRjTdJACfcmBo yEgqhr+qxRiLKkvLFopuuJI= =WXpb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Mar 11 15:10: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA4A37B401; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (eth0.lnk.aims.com.au [203.31.73.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB78743FF3; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:10:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nigel@e-easy.com.au) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (nts-ts1.aims.private [192.168.10.2]) by postoffice.aims.com.au with ESMTP id h2BN9oNg043798; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:09:50 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from nigel@e-easy.com.au) Received: from ntsts1 by aims.com.au with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v6.7.2.T); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:09:48 +1100 From: "Nigel Weeks" To: , "'Dan Langille'" Cc: Subject: RE: User and Machine Stats - more info? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:09:46 +1100 Message-ID: <002d01c2e823$4fd20ae0$020aa8c0@aims.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030311115630.GB22662@gothmog.gr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Importance: High X-Return-Path: nigel@e-easy.com.au Reply-To: nigel@e-easy.com.au X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-126.9 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,PGP_SIGNATURE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_IN_WHITELIST, X_PRIORITY_HIGH version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oh boy... Here is a really quick mock up of a site. It's entirely static, so any info you put in won't go anywhere Let me know what you think. Also, the lists for processors and types aren't complete. If you know of more, send a list. Comments welcome! -----Original Message----- From: Giorgos Keramidas [mailto:keramida@freebsd.org] Sent: Tuesday, 11 March 2003 22:57 To: Dan Langille; Nigel Weeks Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User and Machine Stats - more info? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2003-03-10 22:37, Dan Langille wrote: > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Nigel Weeks wrote: > > If the *BSD community is interested in what other members of the > > *BSD community are doing, take a look, and suggest more fields, > > etc, so I can add them in. > > [...] > If you have a mock up of what the website will be and what it will > show, please make it available. That will show us the information > available and how the pages link to each other. True, true. A prototype of a site is always nicer to stare at, and much easier to make comments about. Not everyone can read database schemas in text form, but I'm sure a lot more people can quickly check out a site and say "Cool!", "Awesome!", etc. - - Giorgos -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+bc7u1g+UGjGGA7YRAhB4AJ9bBMqb1uEvZEGPPYxz/sPMRjTdJACfcmBo yEgqhr+qxRiLKkvLFopuuJI= =WXpb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Mar 11 15:12:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4665537B401; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:12:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (eth0.lnk.aims.com.au [203.31.73.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5CA43FE0; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:12:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nigel@e-easy.com.au) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (nts-ts1.aims.private [192.168.10.2]) by postoffice.aims.com.au with ESMTP id h2BNCaNg043876; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:12:36 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from nigel@e-easy.com.au) Received: from ntsts1 by aims.com.au with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v6.7.2.T); Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:12:35 +1100 From: "Nigel Weeks" To: , "'Dan Langille'" Cc: Subject: RE: User and Machine Stats - more info? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:12:33 +1100 Message-ID: <002e01c2e823$b3410f40$020aa8c0@aims.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030311115630.GB22662@gothmog.gr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Importance: High X-Return-Path: nigel@e-easy.com.au Reply-To: nigel@e-easy.com.au X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-126.9 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,PGP_SIGNATURE, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_IN_WHITELIST, X_PRIORITY_HIGH version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've done it again... Luckily, it's at the same site. http://ecr.sf.net/bsdc/ - the project root http://ecr.sf.net/bsdc/php - the mockup -----Original Message----- From: Giorgos Keramidas [mailto:keramida@freebsd.org] Sent: Tuesday, 11 March 2003 22:57 To: Dan Langille; Nigel Weeks Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User and Machine Stats - more info? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2003-03-10 22:37, Dan Langille wrote: > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Nigel Weeks wrote: > > If the *BSD community is interested in what other members of the > > *BSD community are doing, take a look, and suggest more fields, > > etc, so I can add them in. > > [...] > If you have a mock up of what the website will be and what it will > show, please make it available. That will show us the information > available and how the pages link to each other. True, true. A prototype of a site is always nicer to stare at, and much easier to make comments about. Not everyone can read database schemas in text form, but I'm sure a lot more people can quickly check out a site and say "Cool!", "Awesome!", etc. - - Giorgos -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+bc7u1g+UGjGGA7YRAhB4AJ9bBMqb1uEvZEGPPYxz/sPMRjTdJACfcmBo yEgqhr+qxRiLKkvLFopuuJI= =WXpb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Mar 11 15:31:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3CA37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:31:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsrv.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C747A43FE1 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:31:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a192.otenet.gr [212.205.215.192]) by mailsrv.otenet.gr (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BNVFKM017259; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:31:16 +0200 (EET) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2BNVETf038808; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:31:14 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2BNVExJ038807; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:31:14 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:31:14 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Nigel Weeks Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: User and Machine Stats - more info? Message-ID: <20030311233114.GA38765@gothmog.gr> References: <20030311115630.GB22662@gothmog.gr> <002e01c2e823$b3410f40$020aa8c0@aims.private> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002e01c2e823$b3410f40$020aa8c0@aims.private> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2003-03-12 10:12, Nigel Weeks wrote: > I've done it again... > Luckily, it's at the same site. > > http://ecr.sf.net/bsdc/ - the project root > http://ecr.sf.net/bsdc/php - the mockup Oh nice! The colours are a bit of a problem to my eyes, which hurt a lot lately, but I can read this without problems :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Mar 11 15:41:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA3337B401 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:41:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9BF43FAF for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:41:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HBL00CYOZ4FK9@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:32:26 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GNSW5ABK; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:33:57 -0800 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:40:45 -0800 From: Johnson David Subject: Re: User and Machine Stats - more info? In-reply-to: <002e01c2e823$b3410f40$020aa8c0@aims.private> To: nigel@e-easy.com.au Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-id: <200303111540.45286.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <002e01c2e823$b3410f40$020aa8c0@aims.private> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 11 March 2003 03:12 pm, Nigel Weeks wrote: > http://ecr.sf.net/bsdc/ - the project root > http://ecr.sf.net/bsdc/php - the mockup Main page look great. Under User Registraton page: The difference between bold and non-bold fields might be hard to distinguish on some browsers. Under the Machines page: (these are just nits, I'm not picking on the concept, and am fully aware that it's a concept design only) 1) You will check that no non-BSD system will sneak through under "OS Name", right? 2) "CPU Make" isn't even close to comprehensive, especially if NetBSD stats will be included. You could also make "CPU Model" dynamic based on "CPU Make". 3) Hints and help would be good. For example, what does "HDD" mean? Number of hard drives? Number of Megabytes? Gigabytes? SCSI versus ATI? etc. 4) I'm not sure that "Machine Jobs" is comprehensive enough. There are a thousand and one different kinds of servers, but only one "workstation". What about "desktop", "development", "gaming", etc? At the minimum, "desktop" should be there. Overall, a very good mockup. David Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Mar 11 16:23: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2EA337B401 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:23:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (eth0.lnk.aims.com.au [203.31.73.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6454143F85 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:23:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nigel@e-easy.com.au) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (nts-ts1.aims.private [192.168.10.2]) by postoffice.aims.com.au with ESMTP id h2C0MsmR045131 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:22:54 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from nigel@e-easy.com.au) Received: from ntsts1 by aims.com.au with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v6.7.2.T) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:22:51 +1100 From: "Nigel Weeks" To: Cc: Subject: RE: User and Machine Stats - more info? Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:22:49 +1100 Message-ID: <003301c2e82d$844ff480$020aa8c0@aims.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200303111540.45286.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Importance: High X-Return-Path: nigel@e-easy.com.au X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Reply-To: nigel@e-easy.com.au X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-101.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,USER_IN_WHITELIST,X_PRIORITY_HIGH version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've uploaded the newest edition: Bold required fields have been replaced with underlines There's a pulldown for OS Help tips have been added for HDD, load average, and a few others and there's a custom job addition section. Anyone running/willing to run Firebird DB on a box to host this? (Reply offlist for that, of course...;-)) Nige To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Mar 12 22:40:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB20937B401 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:40:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9885243FA3 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:40:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from snowfall@gmx.co.uk) Received: (qmail 17426 invoked by uid 0); 13 Mar 2003 06:40:29 -0000 Received: from tnt2-206.quicksilver.net.nz (HELO COMPUTER.gmx.co.uk) (202.89.134.206) by mail.gmx.net (mp012-rz3) with SMTP; 13 Mar 2003 06:40:29 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030313162831.04640760@pop.qsi.net.nz> X-Sender: 6803933@213.165.64.20 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:17:43 +1300 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: Craig Carey Subject: Blocking addresses of non-spammers; bug reporting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I request that there be some reasoning in the documentation that explains why it is impossible to get a bug report into the FreeBSD systems using a webpage. I suggest that the public would be so suspicious of the purpose of the FreeBSD project in making its bug report system harder to access. --- The postmaster is blocking all e-mail from my research@ijs.co.nz e-mail address. People complaining at freebsd-chat about this. The exact problem I have is that Mr Bresler was not replying to my requests for reasoning, but must have been reading some since he did actually get a reply out when I said I would comment on the ups and downs of purging out good e-mail addresses with which there is no known problem and certainly nothing that would make it into the light of day. When I send e-mail to majordomo@freebsd.org. or to the bug report system, it vanishes. The black-hole-ing deletion seems to be built over matching only on the "From:" header. My address was OK until 14 August 2000. Probably Mr Bresler does not like something I wrote on the Internet. I probably never wrote on FreeBSD to cause the problem. I considered writing to the GNU and/or Linux and/or NetBSD spam controllers. Unfortunately they could cast any light even with a carefully held candle, into the darkest least reasonable upper parts of the FreeBSD project. NetBSD is not blocking my e-mail address. --- Here is the only comment I got from Mr Bresler. It tried to present the postmaster as a person who was unaware that messages vanish on the way to majordomo@freebsd, because he configured the servers/etc to do exactly that. At 2002\10\18 07:29 -0700 Friday, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > >> My e-mail address is research@ijs.c---o.nz. >> >> If you have a dislike of that e-mail address then I request that >> that information (no matter in how bad a shape it is) be provided >> to me. > > we accept email from your address: > >bash-2.04# host freebsd.org That is FreeBSD's own official response. The rest of the message of Mr Bresler was omitted and it shows how he concluded that my e-mail address seems to run fine. At the end he offered a proven dud e-mail address for me to contact him at: postmaster@freebsd.org. I am not impressed with that address since Mr Bresler is as silent as a spider until I assert that I would put a webpage online commenting on his conduct in this matter. ---- The chat list recently got a message from "Janet" on a topic of 'lengthening' just after these three wrote: John Baldwin, Terry Lambert, and Mark Murray. If I don't get some relief from the plight of being associated from people that causing spam, then this could have been worthwhile. I am considering putting up a webpage showing the correlation between who writes and what types of junk mail follows. A hypothesis is that if Mr Bresler writes, then some of the following spam or messages might be on FreeBSD. FreeBSD is the project where the postmaster is officially unaware of the existence of the spam control system. It is not much different for the victims of the spam who are also not sure that Mr Jonathan M Bresler is implement blocking procedures, against targets where it looks like spamming is a threat or a fact. Since I was not posting on 14 August 2002 and messages also were not bouncing, there postmaster does not seem to have any facts available that could be used as pretext. I guess that FreeBSD postmaster (Mr Jonathan M Bresler) either obeys instructions or else browses around in search of awful findings about members. I would like to have the findings out in the public lists here, and I suppose the grounds as well as the reasoning is simply not available from the FreeBSD postmaster. Janet's message and the surrounding messages of March 2003: http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2003/freebsd-chat/20030309.freebsd-chat.html Obviously the spam control software is not as bright as the portsclean software. 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>[/body] >[/html] > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > My privacy rights have been harmed by Mr Bresler - I argue that he was well positioned to be a person who had grounds for the decision to block my e-mail address and purge me on 14 August 2002. Grounds are a material part of the reasoning and I didn't get any even though requesting them. Here is my second message to Mr Bresler using the address he recommended that I use. Since it is from a not-blocked e-mail address, Mr Bresler almost certainly read it. But not reply whatsoever came back. One has to postively criticize the postmaster at some public place before a reply will come back. But since the reply was untrue or misleading the force must have been far less than what the unwritten postmaster office protocol would impose. >At 2002\10\17 03:23 +1300 Thursday, Craig Carey wrote: To: postmaster@FreeBSD.org From: Snowfall > > > >Hello > >My e-mail address got unsubscribed from all FreeBSD mailing lists in >about 14 August 2002. > >I make this request to the person that entired FreeBSD operation > and to yourself, and whoever runs the postmaster@freebsd.org > complaints service: > > Why am I unable to get any message from the mailing list server > system and yourself ?. I request the reasoning for the decision > that was made in August 2002. This is not a request for an > explanation of what went wrong with your decision making in > August, but just the reasoning. > > So far I have not received any information from FreeBSD that is > reasoning. I have no reasoning. > >My e-mail address is research@ijs.c---o.nz. > >If you have a dislike of that e-mail address then I request that >that information (no matter in how bad a shape it is) be provided >to me. > >The FreeBSD server stopped sending e-mail to my e-mail address on >about 14 Aug 2002 06:51:27 -0000. I was subscribed to >FreeBSD-Questions and that was the date of the last message that >I received. > >The request above is for reasoning and thus unable your records >should have the information of the exact [sic] reasoning that was >used on that date. > >You may explain to me if you wish to write to me. Also we may >consider [t]he topic of whether you or others wish to allow >read-only access for my e-mail address whilst not allowing write >access. > >Please put your name in your e-mail address responding to this >e-mail message that I write. > >I do not request a correction to the configuration, i.e to the >blocking. > >Please correct your procedures so that they are made to be fair. >It is a principles of law that decisions may be overturned if >they are not accompanied with reasoning. I don't know what >country you are in so write more on that. > > >Craig Car--ey [<-- not sure how good your scanning filters are] >Auckland >New Zealand I never got a reply to that and to other following messages. ____________________________________________________________________ The message I wrote implies that the main aim of Mr Bresler was NOT to block e-mail I send to FreeBSD. Instead since I can't have read only access to the FreeBSD mailing lists [note that was a message from snowfall@gmx.co.uk, which Mr Bresler is allowing], the aim must be to block out going e-mail. Thus the members of the lists were not being defended. Presumably would not make use of some read only feature of majordomo even if it was available. Again all I know is that the FreeBSD has bad suggestions and no reasoning despite being attacked with messages asking the same question: why?, what were the facts?. Spam control is not really what the spam control system is about. It is more about falsely saying that there is no blocking. > > we accept email from your address: > That is as good as it gets here at FreeBSD after many messages to Mr Bresler. What trashy English: the "W" is not written using an upper case letter. Mr Bresler is a little variant in not putting a hyphen into the word "e-mail". If Mr Bresler does not know how to spell the word "e-mail", then maybe he would be so gracious as to stand down and reapply later. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Mar 13 2:13:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D805037B401 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 02:13:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com (mailout08.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E014443FB1 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 02:13:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18tPiZ-0001sp-06; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:13:43 +0100 Received: from jhs.muc.de (520006753247-0001@[217.235.114.28]) by fmrl02.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18tPiW-0dDfUGC; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:13:40 +0100 Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2DADgR25934 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:13:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h2DADL386993 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:13:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200303131013.h2DADL386993@flip.jhs.private> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Blocking addresses of non-spammers; bug reporting In-Reply-To: Message from Craig Carey of "Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:17:43 +1300." <5.2.0.9.2.20030313162831.04640760@pop.qsi.net.nz> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:13:21 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Sender: 520006753247-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Craig Carey cross posted verbosely with > Message-id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030313162831.04640760@pop.qsi.net.nz> > To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG ... > Mr Bresler .... stand down Herewith a statement of confidence in JB, & public thanks for his free time volunteered to spend defending us from spammers & trollers etc. I've been with FreeBSD from the start, I've not tried the web bug reporter (I use send-pr direct), but I've never had any complaint in the way Jonnathan Bressler performed his postmaster@ role. Julian Stacey jhs @ berklix.com Computer Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. Mail with spam phrases is auto. deleted unread: http://berklix.com/jhs/mail To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Mar 13 2:52: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D709C37B48D for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 02:51:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from scrooge.etek.chalmers.se (scrooge.etek.chalmers.se [129.16.32.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553A943FB1 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 02:51:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from b@etek.chalmers.se) Received: from scrooge.etek.chalmers.se (b@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scrooge.etek.chalmers.se (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2DApuca033206 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:51:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from b@etek.chalmers.se) Received: from localhost (b@localhost) by scrooge.etek.chalmers.se (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id h2DApt5u033203 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:51:56 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: scrooge.etek.chalmers.se: b owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:51:55 +0100 (CET) From: Magnus B{ckstr|m To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Statistics, valid arguments... please. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm looking for figures and statistics regarding how widespread FreeBSD is, how fast use is growing, corporate investment etc. Download statistics, Access statistics on www.freebsd.org that graphs monthly request counts the last few years, etc. I'd appreciate any pointers. The object is to combat some arguments advanced by management along the lines of "everyone runs , therefor we should too". Attacking the "therefor" meets blank stares this far, so I'm taking aim at the "everyone". Magnus To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Mar 13 15:27:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC9F37B401; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:27:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from builder.freebsdmall.com (builder.freebsdmall.com [65.86.180.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030BB43FE0; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:27:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from murray@builder.freebsdmall.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by builder.freebsdmall.com (8.12.7/8.11.6) id h2DNRnll030639; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:27:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from murray) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:27:49 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD segment on TechTV - Friday Mar/14 @ 4pm Message-ID: <20030313152749.R25592@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JP+T4n/bALQSJXh8" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --JP+T4n/bALQSJXh8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I'm going to do a live 1 hour segment on FreeBSD tomorrow on the American station "TechTV". Peter mentions that he gets it on DirectTV, I'm not sure what the availability of this station is throughout the rest of the country. If you've seen the "ScreenSavers" program before, then you will recognize "Patrick" as our interviewer. I will be doing the show with Matt Olander, a long time FreeBSD user who used to work at BSDi. I think we may start a FreeBSD installation at the beginning of the program, and then chat about FreeBSD's strengths during the show while the installation continues in the background. - Murray --JP+T4n/bALQSJXh8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQE+cRP0tNcQog5FH30RAsyTAJ9NYxMu9fLPN07St2AV2K05mXWotwCfcXjG +Gq4zJyhyDMlPCWgd3OZplY= =My7j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JP+T4n/bALQSJXh8-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Mar 13 15:32:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E33A37B401; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:32:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC4A43F3F; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:32:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (electron.centtech.com [204.177.173.173]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2DNWt56017224; Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:32:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <3E711512.4070505@centtech.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:32:34 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Murray Stokely Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD segment on TechTV - Friday Mar/14 @ 4pm References: <20030313152749.R25592@freebsdmall.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'll Tivo it and try to get an mpg or realmedia stream so those who can't get it can still see it.. Thanks for the heads up!! Good luck with it! Murray Stokely wrote: > I'm going to do a live 1 hour segment on FreeBSD tomorrow on the > American station "TechTV". Peter mentions that he gets it on > DirectTV, I'm not sure what the availability of this station is > throughout the rest of the country. If you've seen the "ScreenSavers" > program before, then you will recognize "Patrick" as our interviewer. > I will be doing the show with Matt Olander, a long time FreeBSD user > who used to work at BSDi. > > I think we may start a FreeBSD installation at the beginning of the > program, and then chat about FreeBSD's strengths during the show while > the installation continues in the background. > > - Murray -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Attitudes are contagious, is yours worth catching? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 14 14: 3:37 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3007C37B401 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:03:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from xeon.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2128C43F75 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:03:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: by xeon.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0312B3F4A; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xeon.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75AB3F49; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:05:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:05:54 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Langille X-X-Sender: dan@xeon.unixathome.org To: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Blocking addresses of non-spammers; bug reporting In-Reply-To: <200303131013.h2DADL386993@flip.jhs.private> Message-ID: <20030314170503.C60320@xeon.unixathome.org> References: <200303131013.h2DADL386993@flip.jhs.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Craig Carey > cross posted verbosely with > > Message-id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030313162831.04640760@pop.qsi.net.nz> > > To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG > ... > > Mr Bresler .... stand down > > Herewith a statement of confidence in JB, & public thanks for his > free time volunteered to spend defending us from spammers & trollers > etc. I've been with FreeBSD from the start, I've not tried the web > bug reporter (I use send-pr direct), but I've never had any complaint > in the way Jonnathan Bressler performed his postmaster@ role. I've used both the web interface and send-pr. I have no problem with either. All my dealings with postmaster@ have been resolved promptly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 14 14:12:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D8B237B401; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:12:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from xeon.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F7643FBD; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:12:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: by xeon.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C7E5D3F4A; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xeon.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5C93F49; Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:15:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:15:02 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Langille X-X-Sender: dan@xeon.unixathome.org To: Eric Anderson Cc: Murray Stokely , "" Subject: Re: FreeBSD segment on TechTV - Friday Mar/14 @ 4pm In-Reply-To: <3E711512.4070505@centtech.com> Message-ID: <20030314171432.Y60320@xeon.unixathome.org> References: <20030313152749.R25592@freebsdmall.com> <3E711512.4070505@centtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Eric Anderson wrote: > I'll Tivo it and try to get an mpg or realmedia stream so those who > can't get it can still see it.. Thanks for getting the mpeg, I'll be glad to view that when you have it. 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2003 17:56:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (haakonia.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382E043FE5; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:56:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) by haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A3EA91E; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 02:56:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7ABCA4619; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 02:56:32 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 02:56:32 +0100 From: Christian Brueffer To: Eric Anderson Cc: Murray Stokely , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD segment on TechTV - Friday Mar/14 @ 4pm Message-ID: <20030316015631.GE606@unixpages.org> References: <20030313152749.R25592@freebsdmall.com> <3E711512.4070505@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="J4XPiPrVK1ev6Sgr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E711512.4070505@centtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT X-PGP-Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --J4XPiPrVK1ev6Sgr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 05:32:34PM -0600, Eric Anderson wrote: > I'll Tivo it and try to get an mpg or realmedia stream so those who=20 > can't get it can still see it.. >=20 > Thanks for the heads up!! Good luck with it! >=20 Yes, I would love to see that. - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --J4XPiPrVK1ev6Sgr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+c9nPbHYXjKDtmC0RAqKpAJ4hzg4PYgA2smq+4bxKHK4sLeQaBQCeJlug AR+kPlQSKVj2GVQqCxkbRAE= =GHaa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --J4XPiPrVK1ev6Sgr-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Mar 15 18:11: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE7637B401 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from builder.freebsdmall.com (builder.freebsdmall.com [65.86.180.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9F843F93 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:10:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from murray@builder.freebsdmall.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by builder.freebsdmall.com (8.12.7/8.11.6) id h2G2AaUg071477; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:10:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from murray) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:10:33 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Christian Brueffer Cc: Eric Anderson , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD segment on TechTV - Friday Mar/14 @ 4pm Message-ID: <20030315181033.I64051@freebsdmall.com> References: <20030313152749.R25592@freebsdmall.com> <3E711512.4070505@centtech.com> <20030316015631.GE606@unixpages.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20030316015631.GE606@unixpages.org>; from chris@unixpages.org on Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 02:56:32AM +0100 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 02:56:32AM +0100, Christian Brueffer wrote: > > Yes, I would love to see that. I'll make it available on www.freebsd.org/~murray as soon as someone sends it to me. I haven't even seen the full segment yet, though at one point during the taping I saw the video feed out of the corner of my eye and could see a sysinstall installation window at the bottom of the screen beneath us talking. ;) I think the show will be shown one more time on Sunday morning. I think we will be able to do a longer segment in the future. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Mar 15 22:17:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6305537B401 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:17:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.65.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BA4F43FBD for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:17:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from snowfall@gmx.co.uk) Received: (qmail 23940 invoked by uid 0); 16 Mar 2003 06:17:37 -0000 Received: from tnt2-155.quicksilver.net.nz (HELO COMPUTER.gmx.co.uk) (202.89.134.155) by mail.gmx.net (mp010-rz3) with SMTP; 16 Mar 2003 06:17:37 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030316095750.035d3748@213.165.64.20> X-Sender: 6803933@213.165.64.20 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:17:36 +1200 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: Craig Carey Subject: Re: Blocking addresses of non-spammers; bug reporting In-Reply-To: <20030314170503.C60320@xeon.unixathome.org> References: <200303131013.h2DADL386993@flip.jhs.private> <200303131013.h2DADL386993@flip.jhs.private> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 03\03\14 17:05 -0500 Friday, Dan Langille wrote: >On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > >> Craig Carey >> cross posted verbosely with >> > Message-id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030313162831.04640760@pop.qsi.net.nz> >> > To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG >> ... >> > Mr Bresler .... stand down >> >> Herewith a statement of confidence in JB, & public thanks for his >> free time volunteered to spend defending us from spammers & trollers >> etc. I've been with FreeBSD from the start, I've not tried the web >> bug reporter (I use send-pr direct), but I've never had any complaint >> in the way Jonnathan Bressler performed his postmaster@ role. > >I've used both the web interface and send-pr. I have no problem with >either. All my dealings with postmaster@ have been resolved promptly. > The web interface is disabled as you would know I presume. It's confirmable by browsing to here: http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html The webpage lacks does not give any reasoning whatsoever for that. Immediately I wondered if Postmaster was involved. The same was not found by me in the bugs, and www, mailing lists. -- To provide the grounds of the reasoning for this personal problem can now be supplied to me by any committer and member of the FreeBSD and any member of a mailing list since I announce this: Everyone subscribed to any freebsd.org mailing list is authorised by me to get answers from Mr Bresler. The interpretation that has the best likelihood of accessing data about me from the postmaster is the interpretation to be taken (I say now). I sent 6 messages off to Mr Bresler and so far I only got one back and it checked my e-mail address which was done in October yet the request was about August 2002. The questions might not have been understand despite their simplicity and the silence of the postmaster is not allowing me to see that. -- I note that a Mr Neil Blakey-Milner was communicating with me privately. Nothing interesting. I recall him saying he was important and a committer. Nothing could be more clarifying than a decision to purge me from FreeBSD (presumably that means, just the mailing lists), for no reason except that I kept writing to explain that I must know the grounds, and the reasoning, for the last purge operation. Purges could be just the start. No reasoning whatsoever (to mimic a style of a manager of another *nix project). --- Can anybody help me here with this question ?. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- REQUEST 16 Mar 2002 On what dates did FreeBSD rely upon tips from spammers advancing a cover story that they were people who suppressed spam ?. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- NetBSD and OpenBSD are not blocking my "research@ijs.co.nz" address. They maybe don't take dud tips. That situation: By the way, FreeBSD is not withholding information from me, but instead Mr Bresler has not communicated to me a decision on whether or not the information I asked for, would be made available. So FreeBSD is in the position of not wanting to close this topic. I will not be praising Mr Bresler myself. FreeBSD project staff members. No PR person. Normally a PR person can get the 'no resolution to the dispute' up faster. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributors/staff-who.html Craig Carey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message